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Serial Killer Documentary - Mark Bridger · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: On the 3rd of October, 2012, Coral Jones gave an
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Speaker 1: emotional televised appeal for the safe return of her daughter, April.
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Speaker 1: The five-year-old had been missing for 36 hours. She'd vanished
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Speaker 1: while playing outside her home in the rural Welsh town
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Speaker 1: of Machynlleth.
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Speaker 2: There must be someone out there who knows where she
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Speaker 2: is and can help the police find.
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Speaker 3: Her.
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Speaker 2: We are desperate for any news. April is only five
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Speaker 2: years old. Please, please help find her.
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Speaker 1: The entire community came together to help the police search
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Speaker 1: for the missing girl. There was a real hope that
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Speaker 1: April would be found alive.
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Speaker 4: They were all thinking, and of course her parents were thinking,
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Speaker 4: she is going to be found. There's no doubt in
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Speaker 4: my mind that she is going to be found.
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Speaker 1: But the search would be in vain. A local 46-year-old
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Speaker 1: man named Mark Bridger, who was known to the family,
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Speaker 1: had abducted and murdered April.
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Speaker 5: I said, I'll leave you, I'll see you later, and
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Speaker 5: I'll come take you into bed, and I said, I'll
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Speaker 5: leave you back, and that was the last I was
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Speaker 5: aware of.
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Speaker 1: Mark Bridger had undeniably become one of the world's most
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Speaker 1: evil killers. MUSIC PLAYS It was a crime that shocked
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Speaker 1: the nation and left a family heartbroken. In October 2012,
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Speaker 1: five-year-old April Jones was abducted whilst playing outside her home
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Speaker 1: on the Brynny Gog estate in the small town of
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Speaker 1: Machynlleth in mid Wales. As news of April's disappearance spread
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Speaker 1: through the media, police and volunteers scoured the town and countryside.
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Speaker 1: kick-starting what was to become the biggest search for a
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Speaker 1: missing person in the history of British policing. She's got
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Speaker 1: to be around here somewhere. She's got to be. We
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Speaker 1: will search. We'll go miles. We will travel miles to
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Speaker 1: find her. But April's body would never be found. She'd
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Speaker 1: been abducted and murdered by 46-year-old Mark Bridger, a local
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Speaker 1: man and well-known member of the community. April's sister, Jasmine,
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Speaker 1: was just 16 years old at the time.
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Speaker 3: I kind of just knew him. Mum and dad knew
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Speaker 3: him and said, hi, you all right?
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Speaker 5: Quick sort of chat in the street about cars and
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Speaker 5: bikes and that. When I was walking past, just kind
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Speaker 5: of quick hello and off he went.
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Speaker 1: After Bridger's arrest, police searched his laptop and found indecent
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Speaker 1: pictures of children and screenshots of young girls from the
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Speaker 1: area taken from their social media accounts. Local reporter Kieran
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Speaker 1: Jones reported on the case.
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Speaker 6: When you look at what was found on Bridger's laptop,
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Speaker 6: there are a few ways that this case could have
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Speaker 6: been more troubling. When you see images of April Jones,
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Speaker 6: it's clear that Bridger had this grotesque fascination with young girls,
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Speaker 6: with children. those type of scenarios where young girls were
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Speaker 6: abducted and killed, and that absolutely is something that is condemning,
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Speaker 6: condemning evidence.
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Speaker 1: This killer's story begins over 50 years ago. Mark Bridger
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Speaker 1: was born in Carsholton, Surrey, on the 6th of November 1965.
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Speaker 1: He grew up in a happy family environment with his
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Speaker 1: parents and two siblings.
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Speaker 7: There weren't any indications for me in terms of Mark
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Speaker 7: Bridges' childhood or his adolescence that would indicate that he'd
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Speaker 7: go on to do something horrendous. He did seem to
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Speaker 7: be an altogether very average young lad, and there were
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Speaker 7: no red flags.
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Speaker 8: His childhood was normal compared to most people. He came
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Speaker 8: from a middle-class family. His father was a police officer,
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Speaker 8: which he actually looked up to.
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Speaker 1: But by 1984, 18-year-old Bridger had gone off the rails.
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Speaker 1: He'd dropped out of college and struggled to hold a
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Speaker 1: job down.
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Speaker 8: All the jobs he got, he was a bit of
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Speaker 8: a failure. So by the age of 20, this guy
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Speaker 8: is like, he failed in school, he failed in college,
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Speaker 8: he failed on whatever he wanted to do.
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Speaker 1: In 1984, Bridger had his first brush with the law.
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Speaker 7: He was convicted of theft and a firearms offence. And
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Speaker 7: basically the story that he concocted around this was that
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Speaker 7: he planned to go and fire an old pistol at
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Speaker 7: a friend's farm and he'd stolen a car because it
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Speaker 7: was too far for him to walk, which does seem
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Speaker 7: to be rather ludicrous. And the prosecution thought that actually
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Speaker 7: something altogether different had gone on. He was planning to
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Speaker 7: actually carry out an armed robbery with this weapon and
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Speaker 7: this stolen car. What Mark Bridger is doing from this
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Speaker 7: point is he's getting used to lying, to being comfortable
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Speaker 7: in a lie, to maintaining a lie, and this is
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Speaker 7: something he'll do throughout his life.
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Speaker 1: Bridger was placed on probation for two years and he
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Speaker 1: struggled to find work. He lived in a fantasy world,
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Speaker 1: often telling people he had a military background.
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Speaker 6: There were tales that he'd been a soldier, that he'd
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Speaker 6: been a lifeguard, that he might have worked in a
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Speaker 6: meat factory, and when you boiled it down, you realised
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Speaker 6: that nobody really knew He was wearing military fatigues, wearing
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Speaker 6: a camouflage jacket, camouflage trousers, waterproof over trousers, almost like
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Speaker 6: he thought he was some kind of action man figure,
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Speaker 6: driving about in his Land Rover, projecting this image of
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Speaker 6: himself as, I don't know, a brave father, as someone
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Speaker 6: who'd done his duty for his country. And that wasn't
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Speaker 6: a reality whatsoever.
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Speaker 8: This is a very common thing that happened, not only
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Speaker 8: with killers, but it happens with other people as well.
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Speaker 8: You tend to make up for your failings by creating
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Speaker 8: things that will impress other people. You want people to
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Speaker 8: not look at you like, okay, dude, you're a loser,
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Speaker 8: get out. So he starts making these stories to try
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Speaker 8: to bring himself up in front of others. Like, I've
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Speaker 8: been to the army. I did a tour of Vietnam
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Speaker 8: or I did a tour of Iraq.
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Speaker 7: Mark Bridger and secrecy do go hands in hands. You've
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Speaker 7: got the Mark Bridger that he's presenting to the outside world,
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Speaker 7: who's this kind of heroic figure. who's travelled the world,
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Speaker 7: who's this alpha male, but actually on the inside, you've
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Speaker 7: got somebody who is fundamentally ashamed of themselves and that's
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Speaker 7: something that they want to keep secret. He doesn't like
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Speaker 7: who he is. He isn't the kind of man that
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Speaker 7: he thinks he should be, but he's become so comfortable
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Speaker 7: in lying and elaborating and exaggerating that he just continues
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Speaker 7: to do that.
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Speaker 1: In 1990, Bridger moved away from his home in the
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Speaker 1: south of England and relocated to Machynlleth, a market town
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Speaker 1: near the Welsh coast.
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Speaker 4: Machynlleth in North Wales, in Paris, is that it's a
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Speaker 4: tiny rural community where everyone knows pretty much everybody else,
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Speaker 4: where no-one would appear to be threatening in the least.
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Speaker 1: Bridger moved from job to job, including working as a
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Speaker 1: lifeguard and in an abattoir.
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Speaker 7: I think Mark Bridger was somebody who had a significant
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Speaker 7: history of failing at things, of failing at jobs, of
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Speaker 7: failing at relationships and of developing a bit of a
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Speaker 7: reputation in the local community. And I think what he
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Speaker 7: was doing by moving to Mahuntleth was basically starting over,
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Speaker 7: wiping the slate clean and trying to control the amount
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Speaker 7: of information that people had about him and his life.
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Speaker 1: By the age of 20, Bridger had fathered his first child,
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Speaker 1: but he'd left his partner before the birth to start
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Speaker 1: another relationship. It was a pattern that would repeat itself.
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Speaker 4: He has a total of six children with four different women,
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Speaker 4: but none of those relationships seemed to stick around. It
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Speaker 4: was always there, gone, often with the women not really
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Speaker 4: knowing a great deal about him.
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Speaker 7: He doesn't manage to hold down a relationship in the
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Speaker 7: same way he doesn't manage to hold down a job.
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Speaker 7: and when he doesn't get what he wants, he tends
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Speaker 7: to start using violence.
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Speaker 1: In 2004, Bridger was charged with battery against his girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: and just three years later, he was convicted of assault
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Speaker 1: after punching a man in the face. By October 2012,
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Speaker 1: Bridger was living alone. So he's now.
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Speaker 8: didn't have a job, didn't have the girlfriend with the baby,
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Speaker 8: and now got away from his father and mother. So
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Speaker 8: it's a triple wham there. My guess is that he
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Speaker 8: was feeling extremely low. So it could be that his
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Speaker 8: interest for little kids started then.
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Speaker 7: He does start to kind of withdraw and spend a
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Speaker 7: lot of time on his own, spends a lot of
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Speaker 7: time on his laptop computer. And on that computer, there
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Speaker 7: are images of children in the local community who are
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Speaker 7: known to him. There are pictures of child abuse imagery
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Speaker 7: on his laptop. He's pushing the boundaries of what's acceptable
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Speaker 7: and what's not acceptable, of what's legal and what's illegal,
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Speaker 7: and it's all becoming incredibly blurred.
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Speaker 1: Just a few miles across town from Mark Bridger's cottage,
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Speaker 1: five-year-old April Jones could often be seen playing on the
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Speaker 1: street in front of her family home.
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Speaker 5: April's character is really bubbly, really happy, constantly smiling, constantly laughing.
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Speaker 3: So if you're ever feeling.
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Speaker 5: Sad or down, she'd basically be there and she'd make
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Speaker 5: you laugh in an instant.
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Speaker 3: And she's got, like, a really contagious smile.
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Speaker 5: Like, you just see her smile, so you'd want to smile.
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Speaker 3: She's just a happy, fun, bubbly little girl.
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Speaker 1: April's bike was a constant companion. For a young girl
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Speaker 1: who had cerebral palsy, she didn't let... her disability slow
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Speaker 1: her down.
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Speaker 5: We taught her to ride a bike from a young age,
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Speaker 5: so she'd be on a bike constantly, so she'd never,
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Speaker 5: ever be without a bike. If she wanted to go
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Speaker 5: out or if we were going to go down the
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Speaker 5: street to the shop, it was on her bike. You
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Speaker 5: couldn't get her to walk, it was on her bike
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Speaker 5: and that was that.
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Speaker 1: On Monday, October 1st, 2012, the two sisters were together
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Speaker 1: at the local swimming pool with their mum, Coral.
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Speaker 5: Every Monday, April used to give swimming lessons, so I'd
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Speaker 5: always meet mum and April in the lounge centre when
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Speaker 5: I got off the bus, take April in to get changed,
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Speaker 5: send her into a swimming lesson, and I'd meet her afterwards.
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Speaker 5: So she'd finish the swimming lesson, I think it was
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Speaker 5: about half an hour, went in, got her changed, come
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Speaker 5: back out, she's walking out, Went back home. I went
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Speaker 5: to the youth club and I said, I love you,
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Speaker 5: I'll see you later, and I'll come take you into
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Speaker 5: bed and everything, and I said, I love you back,
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Speaker 5: and that was the last time I saw her.
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Speaker 1: On the evening of October 1st, 2012, five-year-old April Jones
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Speaker 1: was playing outside the front of her family home on
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Speaker 1: the Brinegog Estate in Marhankleth, Mid Wales. April's mum and dad,
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Speaker 1: Coral and Paul, had just returned from a parents' evening
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Speaker 1: at the local school.
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Speaker 5: It was still light that day, so I wanted to
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Speaker 5: let April out a little bit longer because of the
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Speaker 5: good school report. And there was three of their friends,
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Speaker 5: and her and her other friend cycled their other friend
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Speaker 5: back home, and then it was just her and her.
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Speaker 3: Friend, they were coming back.
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Speaker 1: At around 7.20pm, Coral grew concerned that her daughter had
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Speaker 1: been out a little too long. She sent April's brother
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Speaker 1: out to look for her.
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Speaker 5: And then Harley came running back with the bike. saying
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Speaker 5: she's gone, she's not there, she's been taken, and then
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Speaker 5: that's when it kind of all escalated.
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Speaker 1: Hi, police emergency. My dog's been kidnapped. You're... Hang on.
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Speaker 1: Can you speak to me?
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Speaker 3: Hello.
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Speaker 1: And what makes you think the dog has been kidnapped?
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Speaker 6: Well, apparently, she's gone off in a car with somebody.
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Speaker 6: Somebody's picked her up in a car or something.
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Speaker 7: OK, what's the name of the child that's gone missing?
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Speaker 3: April Jones.
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Speaker 6: How old is she?
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Speaker 2: Five.
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Speaker 1: Detective Superintendent Reg Bevan was part of the investigation team.
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Speaker 9: When the call first comes in, it's a crime in action,
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Speaker 9: in effect. So April's mum makes the initial call to
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Speaker 9: say that her daughter's gone off in a vehicle. That
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Speaker 9: is treated as an abduction, kidnap. And the initial response
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Speaker 9: is very much to secure the area, try to identify
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Speaker 9: the last person to see her and identifying people who
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Speaker 9: were in the area at the time.
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Speaker 1: Detectives immediately questioned April's young friends who'd seen her get
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Speaker 1: into a car with a stranger.
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Speaker 9: They gave this basic description of a small front and
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Speaker 9: a large rear to a vehicle and they couldn't be
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Speaker 9: more specific. But these are children, young children. But it
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Speaker 9: was a key piece of evidence, particularly when they talk
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Speaker 9: about how she got into the right-hand side, and they
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Speaker 9: were quite sure of that.
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Speaker 6: I think the real crucial detail that they were able
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Speaker 6: to drill down very, very quickly was that April may
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Speaker 6: have got into what would ordinarily appear to be the
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Speaker 6: driver's side, which indicated perhaps that it was a left-hand
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Speaker 6: drive vehicle. I think that was very, very quickly seized
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Speaker 6: upon as something that was unusual, something that could perhaps
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Speaker 6: be decisive in the investigation, because other than that, initially,
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Speaker 6: there didn't seem to be a great deal for the
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Speaker 6: police to go on, because she'd been seized very, very quickly, very,
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Speaker 6: very discreetly, with only children as witnesses.
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the local community in Mahankleth rallied round the Jones
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Speaker 1: family and assisted the police in their search for April.
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Speaker 1: News of her disappearance quickly spread on social media.
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Speaker 3: Mahankleth is such a small town, you just wouldn't think
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Speaker 3: of it.
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Speaker 5: I think we have a population of about Two and
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Speaker 5: a half thousand, maybe a bit more.
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Speaker 3: Maybe a bit less.
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Speaker 9: Five, six, seven.
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Speaker 3: The amount of.
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Speaker 5: People that came out of the houses and just started searching,
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Speaker 5: of all sort of ages, all sorts of ages, it
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Speaker 5: was just incredible to even see. Like, they've all kind
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Speaker 5: of come out just to look for my little sister.
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Speaker 5: And it's kind of breathtaking in a way to see
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Speaker 5: the amount of people and how close Mach is, how
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Speaker 5: close the community is.
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Speaker 6: From the very first day, I think the police were
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Speaker 6: using the word unprecedented. in terms of the scale of
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Speaker 6: the search. And that was certainly true. I remember arriving
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Speaker 6: in Macuntheth and immediately hearing the constant swashing of rotor blades,
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Speaker 6: seeing boat teams coming in from mountain rescue, seeing cavers.
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Speaker 6: Every conceivable emergency service, every conceivable specialism was there very,
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Speaker 6: very quickly. And then you had the public element of
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Speaker 6: the search, where people were splitting into small teams, dividing
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Speaker 6: up an area on a map and going out. and
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Speaker 6: fanning out and covering what area they could. People at
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Speaker 6: the most rudimentary level going out with torches and calling
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Speaker 6: April's name. So you had an unprecedented police search involving,
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Speaker 6: I think, in the end, dozens and dozens of forces
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Speaker 6: covering dozens and dozens of square kilometres.
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Speaker 1: Despite an exhaustive search by police and volunteers stretching into
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Speaker 1: the early hours, April could not be found. The small
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Speaker 1: town was in shock.
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Speaker 6: I remember one of the people I spoke to said
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Speaker 6: it can't have been somebody from the area because we
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Speaker 6: all know one another, we all trust one another.
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Speaker 4: It almost defies belief when that sort of thing happens
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Speaker 4: in a small rural community because somehow you immediately think
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Speaker 4: that everybody knows everybody else's business and that it's impossible.
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Speaker 4: How can a child disappear into thin air in a
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Speaker 4: tiny Welsh village in which everybody pretty much knows everybody else?
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Speaker 4: But that's the The devil in plain sight, isn't it?
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Speaker 1: Witness reports of a distinctive blue Land Rover on the
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Speaker 1: Briney Gog estate gave the police a crucial lead in
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Speaker 1: their investigation.
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Speaker 5: It was said on the night that she got into
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Speaker 5: a car that was on the wrong side, and straightaway,
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Speaker 5: everyone knew we were looking for a left-hand drive, and
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Speaker 5: there's only one person in Mahintleth who had a left-hand drive,
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Speaker 5: and that was Mark Bridger. Where we used to live,
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Speaker 5: he kind of lived, like, at the end, sort of
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Speaker 5: just a bit further on. And he was kind of, oh, hiya,
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Speaker 5: you all right, in the street sort of thing.
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Speaker 3: I didn't know his name. I just knew his face.
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Speaker 3: He was always in combat trousers, always.
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Speaker 9: Mark Bridger was named by some of the residents living
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Speaker 9: locally in the house to house investigation. And then once
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Speaker 9: he's been named, And when you compare the description given
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Speaker 9: by the children of the vehicle that April Jones got into,
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Speaker 9: and then some work that we were able to do
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Speaker 9: behind the scenes with the analysts, we were able to
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Speaker 9: link a land rover discovery to Mark Bridger, and then
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Speaker 9: all of a sudden things start to fall into place.
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Speaker 1: The following morning, Tuesday, October the 2nd, the small market
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Speaker 1: town of Mahankleth awoke to a media swarm. April had
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Speaker 1: now been missing for 12 hours.
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Speaker 6: I've been saying this from the very beginning, we still
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Speaker 6: have hope. It was a fast-moving, very emotional place. People
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Speaker 6: were desperate, people were filled with hope and people were
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Speaker 6: galvanised to go out there and to find someone. And
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Speaker 6: those people that were there, generally beyond perhaps knowing the
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Speaker 6: family or knowing the area or knowing them in passing,
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Speaker 6: had no personal connection in a lot of cases. They
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Speaker 6: wanted to go out and find a vulnerable child, and
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Speaker 6: there was lots and lots of hope and just sheer determination,
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Speaker 6: people saying, I can't sleep, I can't go home, I
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Speaker 6: can't rest, I can't do anything while I know that
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Speaker 6: somebody is out there, and that was incredibly stark and
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Speaker 6: incredibly moving.
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Speaker 1: The police were desperate to find Mark Bridger, and they
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Speaker 1: soon had a major breakthrough. His distinctive blue Land Rover
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Speaker 1: had been found at a local garage. It had been
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Speaker 1: dropped off that same morning.
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Speaker 9: They didn't really disclose too much about his demeanour other
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Speaker 9: than he dropped it off, suggesting it had been involved
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Speaker 9: in an accident, and they were quite happy to have
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Speaker 9: a look at it. And from what they'd seen, it
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Speaker 9: didn't appear to have been involved in any kind of
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Speaker 9: road accident.
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Speaker 1: The police continued their manhunt. They hoped that finding Bridger
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Speaker 1: would lead them directly to April.
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Speaker 9: We were still hoping that she'd be alive, so it
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Speaker 9: was very much speeders of the essence, so you had
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Speaker 9: to ensure that you were doing as much as you could,
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Speaker 9: as quickly as you could, in an effort to identify
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Speaker 9: where she was.
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Speaker 1: Having dropped off his car the morning after April's disappearance,
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Speaker 1: Bridger met a search party looking for the five-year-old. He
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Speaker 1: was hiding in plain sight.
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Speaker 6: Mark Bridger had effectively stumbled upon a search party and
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Speaker 6: wished them good luck and claimed to have been out
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Speaker 6: searching all night, which was, when you reflect on that, deeply,
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Speaker 6: deeply troubling, deeply shocking.
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Speaker 1: Despite it being a small town, detectives had discovered multiple
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Speaker 1: addresses linked to Bridger, whose transient lifestyle had made finding
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Speaker 1: him extremely difficult.
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Speaker 9: We had some previous addresses that we knew he'd lived
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Speaker 9: at or we may still be living at. And we
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Speaker 9: were sending teams of officers around to those addresses to
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Speaker 9: try to locate April. And on some occasions, there was
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Speaker 9: no answer. We were forcing entry into these properties with
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Speaker 9: quickly searching in a hope to finding her, so it
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Speaker 9: was a very fast-paced, fast-moving investigation to try to locate him.
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Speaker 1: As the search for April entered its 19th hour, her
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Speaker 1: older sister Jasmine began to fear the worst.
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Speaker 5: I knew we were never going to get her back alive.
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Speaker 5: Something in me just said, she's not going to come
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Speaker 5: home alive.
20:17
Speaker 1: By 3pm on Tuesday, October 2nd, 2012, five-year-old April Jones
20:23
Speaker 1: had been missing for almost 20 hours. The number one
20:27
Speaker 1: suspect in her abduction was 46-year-old Mark Bridger. April had
20:32
Speaker 1: been seen getting into his car the previous evening. the
20:37
Speaker 1: police had finally traced Bridger to a cottage called Mount
20:41
Speaker 1: Pleasant on the outskirts of Mahancliffe. They forced their way
20:46
Speaker 1: through the door.
20:48
Speaker 9: So when the first officers arrive at Bridger's home, fire
20:51
Speaker 9: is lit. It is very hot in there. There is
20:54
Speaker 9: a strong smell of detergent, bleach, cleaning fluid. And the
21:00
Speaker 9: initial forensic examination then starts at that point, but it's clearly...
21:06
Speaker 9: looking more and more suspicious that something has happened at
21:09
Speaker 9: that address.
21:10
Speaker 1: Just half an hour later, at 3.30pm, Mark Bridger was
21:14
Speaker 1: spotted by a patrol car on the A487 road, heading
21:19
Speaker 1: back into Marhancliffe on foot.
21:22
Speaker 9: So when he is seen walking down the road, officers
21:25
Speaker 9: pull up alongside him and speak to him, confirm that
21:28
Speaker 9: it is Mark Bridger, and he immediately makes a disclosure
21:32
Speaker 9: to the officers that April is dead and that he's
21:34
Speaker 9: run over her.
21:36
Speaker 7: I think Mark Bridges' selfishness really did come out when
21:40
Speaker 7: he was picked up by the police and he said
21:42
Speaker 7: to them, I need to talk. And the police said, OK,
21:45
Speaker 7: but can you wait until we get to the station?
21:48
Speaker 3: And he didn't.
21:49
Speaker 7: He just proceeded to basically engage in this lengthy monologue
21:52
Speaker 7: about what had gone on, about how he felt. And
21:56
Speaker 7: basically when he was saying, I need to talk, he
21:58
Speaker 7: wasn't just saying that, he was saying, you need to
22:01
Speaker 7: listen to me. It was another way of him trying
22:03
Speaker 7: to exert control over other people. It's something he's always
22:06
Speaker 7: doing all of the time.
22:07
Speaker 1: In the police car on the way to the station,
22:10
Speaker 1: Bridger continued to tell officers his side of the story.
22:15
Speaker 4: He gave a very strange, fantastical description of what had
22:19
Speaker 4: really happened to April. I ran over her with my
22:22
Speaker 4: Land Rover and she was underneath the wheels and I
22:25
Speaker 4: didn't know what to do. And there was no pulse
22:28
Speaker 4: and no sign, and she wasn't moving. And, well, any
22:33
Speaker 4: normal person surely would have rung the police or the hospital, 999,
22:37
Speaker 4: at that instant, wouldn't they? Well, you see, I didn't know,
22:40
Speaker 4: and I didn't mean to. I mean, I was going
22:42
Speaker 4: to just lean her up against something. Well, she wasn't
22:47
Speaker 4: leaned up against something.
22:48
Speaker 3: She disappeared.
22:50
Speaker 8: He created the stories in his head. Maybe he even
22:52
Speaker 8: believed it himself, you know. Some people will do, some
22:55
Speaker 8: people won't. They are so desperate to be accepted by
22:58
Speaker 8: others and in life that they will create the stories
23:02
Speaker 8: and they are so into it and so desperate that
23:05
Speaker 8: they will believe those stories themselves. And that's where you
23:08
Speaker 8: get the compulsive liars. So he might have even believed himself. Because, yeah,
23:12
Speaker 8: he is actually telling those stories to the police.
23:16
Speaker 7: He seems to think that what's happened is quite blurry,
23:19
Speaker 7: but what he does remember is that he drove off
23:22
Speaker 7: with her body somewhere. But after that, he says, It's
23:25
Speaker 7: all blank. I can't remember what happened.
23:28
Speaker 1: Bridger's bizarre account of events led detectives to believe he
23:32
Speaker 1: might be lying and that April may still be alive somewhere.
23:38
Speaker 9: So although when Mark Bridger's first detained, he says that
23:42
Speaker 9: he's killed her, he's run over her, we obviously hadn't
23:45
Speaker 9: found her body, so there's still some hope that you
23:48
Speaker 9: may be able to find her alive. The thrust of
23:52
Speaker 9: searching as many places as possible and continuing to search
23:55
Speaker 9: the countryside didn't stop.
23:58
Speaker 1: The following day, the 3rd of October, 2012, April's mother,
24:03
Speaker 1: Coral Jones, appeared in front of the world's press. Her
24:07
Speaker 1: daughter had been missing for over 36 hours.
24:11
Speaker 6: And so the atmosphere in the room awaiting that was
24:16
Speaker 6: quite extraordinary. And when the door opened, there was the
24:18
Speaker 6: briefest sense, I remember even now, of complete silence, complete shock,
24:25
Speaker 6: complete captivation almost. And as Coral walked into the room,
24:31
Speaker 6: then obviously the noise began, the shutters of the cameras
24:35
Speaker 6: began to click. To see up close, merely a few
24:39
Speaker 6: feet away, somebody going through what Coral and her family
24:43
Speaker 6: were going through was astonishingly painful.
24:47
Speaker 2: It's been 36 hours since April was taken from us.
24:54
Speaker 2: There must be someone out there who knows where she
24:58
Speaker 2: is and can help the police find her. We are
25:03
Speaker 2: desperate for any news. April is only five years old. Please,
25:11
Speaker 2: please help find her.
25:14
Speaker 9: When you see firsthand the impact it has on the family,
25:17
Speaker 9: you can only imagine what Carl and the rest of
25:21
Speaker 9: the family have gone through. But it's when you see
25:24
Speaker 9: them face to face and you're sitting next to them
25:26
Speaker 9: in some of those press conferences, it is heartbreaking. And,
25:29
Speaker 9: you know, it just makes you more resolved to try
25:31
Speaker 9: to do all you can.
25:33
Speaker 1: But as police forensic teams began an intricate search at
25:37
Speaker 1: Bridger's home, it soon became clear that April Jones would
25:42
Speaker 1: never be found alive.
25:47
Speaker 9: We do know from the detailed forensic examination of his
25:52
Speaker 9: home is that she probably died there. We found her
25:57
Speaker 9: blood at that address, significant amounts of her blood. Clearly, he'd...
26:01
Speaker 9: attempted to clean the place, which is part of the
26:04
Speaker 9: reason the initial officers found that overwhelming smell of bleach.
26:08
Speaker 9: He'd tried to clean up several parts of the house.
26:11
Speaker 9: There was blood in the lounge and in the bathrooms.
26:14
Speaker 9: And the wood burner was lit, we believe, because he
26:18
Speaker 9: was looking to dispose of incriminating evidence.
26:21
Speaker 6: From a policing and prosecution perspective, the key piece of
26:25
Speaker 6: evidence in a murder inquiry is almost certainly going to
26:28
Speaker 6: be having a body, and they didn't have that in
26:32
Speaker 6: So they were very, very reliant on not just on
26:36
Speaker 6: the human witnesses that they had, which were in many
26:39
Speaker 6: cases friends of April's who'd seen the abduction take place,
26:43
Speaker 6: but incredibly up-to-date forensic technology which enabled them to pinpoint
26:48
Speaker 6: fragments of bone found in the wood burn at Mark
26:50
Speaker 6: Bridges' house.
26:52
Speaker 9: Although there was bone, it was burned to such a
26:54
Speaker 9: degree that we weren't able to match it forensically through
26:57
Speaker 9: any DNA profiles. albeit we know it is human from
27:01
Speaker 9: the pathologist and the scientists that examined it subsequently.
27:05
Speaker 1: Forensic teams also found a burnt boning knife in Bridger's home.
27:10
Speaker 1: The disturbing discovery at Mount Pleasant Cottage shocked the entire community.
27:16
Speaker 6: There almost certainly was no longer any chance of a
27:19
Speaker 6: happy ending to this story, a positive outcome of April
27:22
Speaker 6: coming home to her family. And that was very, very powerful.
27:27
Speaker 6: And when you saw... the tiredness that people understandably felt, two,
27:32
Speaker 6: three days of hard working, searching, not going to sleep,
27:36
Speaker 6: to have everything that they'd worked for crushed in that
27:38
Speaker 6: way was deeply, deeply dispiriting for everybody. And it was
27:43
Speaker 6: clear quite quickly that there needed to be then that
27:47
Speaker 6: further little bit of perspective and of rowing back a
27:49
Speaker 6: little bit from the media and from everybody that was
27:52
Speaker 6: there just to give people, not just the family, but
27:54
Speaker 6: the people in the town that had been so affected,
27:56
Speaker 6: that little bit of space and that little bit of
27:59
Speaker 6: to grieve and to process everything that had happened.
28:04
Speaker 5: For a while, they were searching for April and they
28:07
Speaker 5: were hoping she'd come back alive. And I think it
28:09
Speaker 5: was a couple of days later or something or other
28:11
Speaker 5: that it turned into a search for the body. And
28:15
Speaker 5: I kind of knew that it must have been some
28:18
Speaker 5: horrific crime for them to search a body. And then
28:22
Speaker 5: in the sort of town we live in where there's
28:25
Speaker 5: rivers flowing through, there's forestry everywhere, I kind of knew
28:29
Speaker 5: it must have been something quite bad, otherwise you kind
28:31
Speaker 5: of would have found a child's body around this sort
28:34
Speaker 5: of area straightaway.
28:39
Speaker 1: After three days of questioning, on October 5th, 2012, Mark
28:44
Speaker 1: Bridger was arrested on suspicion of murder. But the 46-year-old
28:49
Speaker 1: continued to protest his innocence.
28:52
Speaker 9: In interview, he's very matter-of-fact in his answers and he
28:55
Speaker 9: says that he's run over her accidentally and that he
28:58
Speaker 9: gets out of his vehicle and sees that he's run
29:00
Speaker 9: over her and he picks her up and he thinks,
29:03
Speaker 9: believes she's dead. He does try resuscitating her. But at
29:07
Speaker 9: each stage, when you're then able to rebut some of
29:11
Speaker 9: his story by saying, well, there's no forensic evidence to
29:14
Speaker 9: show that she's come to any harm in your vehicle,
29:17
Speaker 9: albeit we could put her inside the vehicle with fingerprints...
29:22
Speaker 9: He would always suggest, well, she wasn't bleeding, so when
29:25
Speaker 9: you'd ask him, well, how do you know that she's
29:27
Speaker 9: dead then? You know, he was saying, well, I knew
29:29
Speaker 9: she was dead. His story didn't make sense.
29:32
Speaker 7: The reason why people hold back information about murder can
29:36
Speaker 7: vary from one case to the next, but for me, the...
29:40
Speaker 7: the central element is often control. When somebody has been
29:43
Speaker 7: convicted of murder, when somebody has been sentenced to a
29:46
Speaker 7: very lengthy term in prison, they don't have control over
29:50
Speaker 7: many things at all. The one thing that they do
29:52
Speaker 7: have control over is the knowledge of what happened, of
29:56
Speaker 7: what they did to their victim, of where their victim is,
29:59
Speaker 7: And often that's something that people won't want to part
30:02
Speaker 7: with very easily.
30:03
Speaker 9: Nothing that he said we could back up with any
30:07
Speaker 9: evidence of forensic recoveries. In fact, everything led quite the contrary.
30:12
Speaker 9: He had abducted April from outside near to her home
30:17
Speaker 9: and had driven her back to his house immediately and
30:21
Speaker 9: she probably met her end very soon after that.
30:24
Speaker 8: He could have been curbing it for a long time
30:28
Speaker 8: But on that day, he overpowered him, and once she
30:31
Speaker 8: was in the car, then that was it. Then he
30:33
Speaker 8: goes into a different state of mind, and then he
30:34
Speaker 8: can't stop it anymore. It will be very hard for
30:37
Speaker 8: him to stop.
30:38
Speaker 1: The following day, October 6th, Mark Bridger was charged with
30:42
Speaker 1: the abduction and murder of five-year-old April Jones.
30:47
Speaker 5: It's an absolute shock with it, and you don't know
30:49
Speaker 5: what to think. And then you start, in your mind, questioning,
30:53
Speaker 5: do you really know.
30:54
Speaker 3: Someone, you know?
30:55
Speaker 5: You could have known this person, like, 15, 20 years.
30:59
Speaker 5: But then you come to the fact of, do you
31:02
Speaker 5: really know them?
31:04
Speaker 4: And so the shock to the community and, of course,
31:08
Speaker 4: to April's parents to realise that not only were they
31:13
Speaker 4: living with, but they knew the man who'd abducted their
31:17
Speaker 4: daughter is even more terrifying.
31:20
Speaker 1: The search for April's body continued for six months until
31:24
Speaker 1: the police called it off in April 2013. The fact
31:29
Speaker 1: that no body was found didn't alter the course of
31:32
Speaker 1: the investigation.
31:33
Speaker 9: You know, we're still treating it as a murder. There's
31:35
Speaker 9: a huge impact on the family, obviously, but the search
31:38
Speaker 9: continued for months and months afterwards because we had to
31:42
Speaker 9: be sure in that area that we'd searched everywhere we
31:46
Speaker 9: possibly could. in an effort to find her. So although
31:50
Speaker 9: we're confident that she probably died in his house, what
31:56
Speaker 9: he's done with the body after that, only he knows.
32:00
Speaker 1: On April 29, 2013, the trial of Mark Bridger began
32:05
Speaker 1: at Mould Crown Court. The 47-year-old was charged with the
32:09
Speaker 1: abduction and murder of 5-year-old schoolgirl April Jones. Seven months
32:14
Speaker 1: after her disappearance, her body had still not been found.
32:19
Speaker 1: There was real hope that the truth of what happened
32:21
Speaker 1: to her would emerge during proceedings.
32:28
Speaker 6: I think from the very first moment that Mark Bridger
32:30
Speaker 6: appeared in court, he was a pathetic figure, somebody that
32:34
Speaker 6: appeared to be feeling sorry for himself, that almost couldn't
32:36
Speaker 6: realize the gravity of the situation in which he found himself,
32:40
Speaker 6: as though he somehow was the victim. when absolutely he wasn't.
32:45
Speaker 6: He was the offender. He was the person that had
32:47
Speaker 6: done this barbaric, inhuman thing.
32:50
Speaker 3: He just kind of hung his head in shame.
32:53
Speaker 5: He never once looked over, ever. Like, not even a
32:55
Speaker 5: slight glance of his eyes. Didn't move his head, just
32:58
Speaker 5: kind of hung his head in shame.
33:01
Speaker 1: Bridger pleaded not guilty. He was sticking to the same
33:04
Speaker 1: story he told police back in October 2012, claiming that
33:09
Speaker 1: April's death was an accident.
33:11
Speaker 6: Mark Bridger used this cloak of amnesia almost to say
33:15
Speaker 6: that he couldn't account for what had happened. He accepted
33:19
Speaker 6: that he was behind April's death but not that he
33:25
Speaker 6: intended in some way to kill her and it concocted
33:27
Speaker 6: this fanciful story about potentially having knocked her over with
33:31
Speaker 6: his car, something that was never borne out in any
33:34
Speaker 6: of the evidence. Somehow claiming that he then couldn't recall
33:38
Speaker 6: what he'd done with her body, that he was drinking
33:41
Speaker 6: lots and that the whole thing could have been This
33:44
Speaker 6: was someone that was prepared to go as low as
33:47
Speaker 6: they possibly could, desperately trying to save their own skin
33:51
Speaker 6: in view of all evidence to the contrary.
33:53
Speaker 5: So, at the beginning, I was kind of shocked, like, oh,
33:56
Speaker 5: he'd hit her off the bike. But she knows well,
34:00
Speaker 5: too well, not to go near the road when there's
34:02
Speaker 5: a car. She knows this really well and she knows
34:05
Speaker 5: to look left and right and everything.
34:06
Speaker 3: We've always, always taught her from a young age.
34:09
Speaker 5: And then he started saying he panicked and he just,
34:12
Speaker 5: drove off with her, and you'd kind of... He's got
34:15
Speaker 5: kids around her age, around April's age, so you kind
34:17
Speaker 5: of think, you wouldn't panic. You'd kind of, in a sense,
34:20
Speaker 5: as a parent, you'd know what to do. So towards
34:23
Speaker 5: the end of it, you're just like, oh, shut up.
34:26
Speaker 3: Just shut up, really. You're just making yourself look a fool.
34:31
Speaker 1: During the trial, police helicopter footage emerged from the morning
34:35
Speaker 1: after April's abduction. It showed a calm-looking Bridger, He's.
34:41
Speaker 7: Seen kind of casually out walking his dog as if
34:44
Speaker 7: nothing had happened. And I think what we've got here
34:47
Speaker 7: is somebody who's struggling to figure out what is the
34:50
Speaker 7: appropriate way to behave here? What are people going to
34:53
Speaker 7: be looking out for? What are they going to be
34:55
Speaker 7: expecting to see?
34:57
Speaker 9: Most normal people would look up at the helicopter and
35:00
Speaker 9: wonder what was going on. He knew exactly what was
35:02
Speaker 9: going on. He knew exactly what he'd done with April.
35:05
Speaker 9: And at that stage, you know, the net was closing
35:08
Speaker 9: in on him and he was... He was trying to
35:10
Speaker 9: blend in.
35:11
Speaker 1: On the 15th of May, the jury were shown evidence
35:15
Speaker 1: from Mark Bridger's laptop. It was a key moment in
35:19
Speaker 1: the trial.
35:20
Speaker 4: Bridger had begun to assemble a collection of particularly nasty
35:24
Speaker 4: child pornography, as well as photographs of local children, including
35:31
Speaker 4: April and her elder sister. At his trial... The prosecution
35:36
Speaker 4: made a considerable play of the fact that these images
35:39
Speaker 4: were on his computer and suggested that he may not
35:43
Speaker 4: have been seeking specifically to groom April. It could have
35:48
Speaker 4: been another member of the family or another of the
35:50
Speaker 4: girls that were on his computer. But that he was
35:54
Speaker 4: certainly seeking to groom someone, some young girl.
35:59
Speaker 8: There are two types of people or offenders that would
36:01
Speaker 8: look at different kinds of things on the internet. Pornography,
36:04
Speaker 8: for example. The first type is the people who will
36:07
Speaker 8: be satisfied by the photographs, by the films, by reading
36:11
Speaker 8: stories maybe. But at the end of it, that's it.
36:14
Speaker 8: It's like, that's good enough. They turn off the computer
36:17
Speaker 8: and they forget about it. But there are certain other types,
36:20
Speaker 8: and Bridger falls into this category, is that at the end,
36:24
Speaker 8: that is not enough.
36:26
Speaker 9: He'd also been looking at website reports of previous child
36:30
Speaker 9: abductions and he's starting to build a picture now of
36:34
Speaker 9: a paedophile, a dangerous, evil man who, for whatever reason,
36:40
Speaker 9: has gone from minor offending and tipped over into the
36:45
Speaker 9: most serious crime.
36:47
Speaker 1: On May the 30th, 2013, the jury took just four
36:51
Speaker 1: hours to unanimously find Mark Bridger guilty of murdering April Jones.
36:57
Speaker 1: Judge Mr. Justice Griffith Williams sentenced him to life imprisonment
37:02
Speaker 1: with a whole life order. He was immediately sent to
37:05
Speaker 1: Wakefield Prison. He will never be free again.
37:09
Speaker 5: For them to turn around and say life and never
37:13
Speaker 5: to be released from prison is like, wow. It's just,
37:18
Speaker 5: you can't explain the feeling of it because it's good
37:22
Speaker 5: that he's never going to be released from prison and
37:25
Speaker 5: he's never going to be able to hurt anyone again.
37:28
Speaker 7: Well, when Bridger was sentenced, the judge referred to him
37:30
Speaker 7: as a pathological liar and a paedophile and I think
37:33
Speaker 7: both of those descriptions are accurate. Mark Bridger was somebody
37:36
Speaker 7: who was very comfortable in a lie. He would lie
37:39
Speaker 7: as easily as he would breathe and if you look
37:42
Speaker 7: at some of his behaviour in the final months.
37:44
Speaker 3: Before April's death.
37:46
Speaker 7: He was collecting images of children on his laptop. He
37:51
Speaker 7: was engaging in behaviour that was incredibly bizarre. So he
37:54
Speaker 7: was a pathological liar, he was a paedophile, he was
37:57
Speaker 7: a very dangerous man.
37:59
Speaker 1: The murder of April Jones ruined the lives of not
38:02
Speaker 1: just her family, but an entire community.
38:06
Speaker 6: The Jones family were very clearly a respectable family, people
38:10
Speaker 6: that were well-known in their community, and there was that
38:13
Speaker 6: shock element. This could be anyone's child. It wasn't somebody
38:18
Speaker 6: that was put in harm's way. It was a girl
38:21
Speaker 6: that was playing on her bike outside her home with
38:24
Speaker 6: her parents' blessing, like she would every day. They would
38:27
Speaker 6: call her in for a dinner. She would sit at
38:29
Speaker 6: home and tell them about her day at school and
38:31
Speaker 6: how well she was doing. Everyone can identify with that,
38:34
Speaker 6: whether they have children or not. It's a brutal thing
38:39
Speaker 6: that rips out a family's heart and that really, really
38:43
Speaker 6: touches people.
38:46
Speaker 5: There was people that we hadn't spoken to who had
38:50
Speaker 5: little kids around the same age and they were really affected.
38:53
Speaker 3: On the estate we live, kids.
38:54
Speaker 5: Were outside all the time playing and then you didn't
38:58
Speaker 5: see a kid for about two years outside playing.
39:01
Speaker 1: In a final cruel act, Mark Bridger has never revealed
39:05
Speaker 1: the location of April's body.
39:08
Speaker 7: I think the key question for many people in this
39:10
Speaker 7: case is will Mark Bridger ever return? give up the
39:13
Speaker 7: information about what happened to April Jones, about where she is,
39:18
Speaker 7: to enable her parents to basically say goodbye to her properly.
39:22
Speaker 7: And unfortunately, I don't think he will. I think Mark
39:26
Speaker 7: Bridger is somebody who will always have self-preservation. as his
39:30
Speaker 7: number one priority. And he's just simply not going to
39:33
Speaker 7: put himself in a position where he's got no power left.
39:37
Speaker 5: It's difficult not getting a body back because when you
39:42
Speaker 5: have a body back, you can lay them to rest,
39:45
Speaker 5: you can say your goodbyes.
39:47
Speaker 3: But when you've got bone.
39:49
Speaker 5: Fragments and ash, it's not the same at all because
39:54
Speaker 5: you can't say your final goodbyes. And Mark Bridges is
39:59
Speaker 5: such a pathological liar and he believes his own lies.
40:02
Speaker 3: He believes he's telling the truth that he's never going
40:05
Speaker 3: to tell you.
40:06
Speaker 5: He's never going to say what really happened that day,
40:09
Speaker 5: that evening, and.
40:12
Speaker 3: What he's done with the body.
40:13
Speaker 5: And you kind of have to come to terms with
40:14
Speaker 5: that and you kind of have to accept that You're
40:17
Speaker 5: never going to be able to fully say goodbye and
40:19
Speaker 5: you're never going to be able to fully lay April
40:21
Speaker 5: to rest.
40:25
Speaker 1: On November 17th, 2014, Jasmine Jones stood alongside her parents
40:32
Speaker 1: and watched as the probable site of April's murder, Mount
40:36
Speaker 1: Pleasant Cottage, was bulldozed to the ground.
40:43
Speaker 3: You've changed. You've completely changed. You're never going to be
40:45
Speaker 3: who you were.
40:46
Speaker 5: I mean, when I have kids, I could be completely
40:48
Speaker 5: different to what I thought I was going to be
40:50
Speaker 5: because of this event. You've just completely changed. You're never
40:54
Speaker 5: going to be who you were. And the demons you've
40:56
Speaker 5: had to fight along the way, they've changed you, be
40:59
Speaker 5: it for the better, be it for the worse. But
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Speaker 5: the positive thing is we've come out stronger. We've come out,
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Speaker 5: we've stood together through it all.
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Speaker 6: Because the community have gathered around and been so positive
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Speaker 6: in the face of such a grotesque crime, it's not
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Speaker 6: been something that's been allowed to define them. April Jones
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Speaker 6: is not remembered for how she died, but for being
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Speaker 6: a beautiful young girl who was happiest in her community
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Speaker 6: and in her family. So what happened to her will
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Speaker 6: always be a part of the history of Macuntheth. That
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Speaker 6: will never be laid to rest or put to one side.
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Speaker 6: But the fact that people do not want to be
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Speaker 6: defined by this, do not want to be remembered purely
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Speaker 6: as the place where this act of evil happened, will
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Speaker 6: mean that they can go on and they can grow
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Speaker 6: and they can develop.
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Speaker 1: Mark Bridger is a perverted killer who selfishly snatched and
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Speaker 1: killed an innocent five-year-old for his own gratification. He has
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Speaker 1: constantly lied and still refuses to admit where April is buried.
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Speaker 1: Bridger has shown no remorse for his actions or explained
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Speaker 1: the reasons for the murder. We should forget his name.
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Speaker 1: and instead remember the smiling face of April Jones, the
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Speaker 1: girl whose life he cruelly took away at such a
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Speaker 1: young age.