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#91 Lara Pitt's Three Boys Won't Sleep In Their Own Beds · Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

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  Speaker 1: Matt good Day, probably wondering why we're here, and I
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  Speaker 1: have a burning question for you, my guy, are you
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  Speaker 1: still considering a third child?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 3: No, maybe I don't know, Ash. Depends depends what time
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  Speaker 3: of day you ask me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're here today with a bonus episode, boner with
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  Speaker 1: a booner with a bonus episode with Lara Pitt, who
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  Speaker 1: happens to have three children. Maybe this will convince you
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  Speaker 1: either way. But I think one more child would kill.
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  Speaker 2: Us, kill us all. Lara Pitt good friend of yours, Ash.
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  Speaker 1: Good good friend of mine. I was actually at the
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  Speaker 1: football not with Lara for the State of Origin with
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  Speaker 1: us with my brother in law, and Lara Pitt walked
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  Speaker 1: into the island in front of me with a whole
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  Speaker 1: beautiful family, and she was.
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  Speaker 2: At working notes.
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  Speaker 4: She was enjoying.
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  Speaker 2: She was there with Lachlan Cooper Hamish.
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  Speaker 1: Yes and her husband. And the guy next to me,
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  Speaker 1: who I did not know, was pumped to see her.
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  Speaker 4: She was like, oh my god, there's like told he's kid,
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  Speaker 4: there's Lara Pitt.
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  Speaker 2: She's a fan favorite.
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  Speaker 1: She is a Fox journal and commentator and that's where
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  Speaker 1: people would mostly know her from. But she's a pioneer
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  Speaker 1: in that space, I would say for the female journalist
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  Speaker 1: amongst the big bonehead footballers.
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  Speaker 3: She's also been fortunate enough to be interviewed by the
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  Speaker 3: one and only Ashwicks before. This is her second time
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  Speaker 3: being interviewed.
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  Speaker 1: That's the third time full time being interviewed actually by me. Gosh,
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  Speaker 1: it's funny. She sat down and she's like, where are
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  Speaker 1: you not? I was like no, and she's like, I
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  Speaker 1: expected nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Less from you.
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  Speaker 3: Also, a family friend of ours, her kid plays football.
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  Speaker 2: With my sister's kid. Oh, she's a small world.
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  Speaker 1: In my plays football with my dog's sister's cousin's best friend.
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  Speaker 3: Actually I knew Lara's husband in a previous life back
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  Speaker 3: in the.
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  Speaker 1: Day, and halfway through this I give it away as
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  Speaker 1: we do how that came about, and Matt's face is
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  Speaker 1: red again.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 5: Enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to two doting dads and one doting mum.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Mattie Jay, I'm Ash and.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Fox Leagues Lara Pitch more famous as Mama or
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  Speaker 6: Dars at Home.
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  Speaker 2: This is a podcast all about parenting. It is the good,
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  Speaker 2: it is the.
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  Speaker 3: Bad, and the relatable And if you've come for any advice,
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  Speaker 3: Ash and I will never ever deliver it.
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  Speaker 4: Never, I guess seem to though good, no pressure, No.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to give advice. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: if not for the listeners, for Ash and myself we
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  Speaker 2: could some help.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to hopefully be able to deliver some nuggets
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  Speaker 6: of gold.
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 4: Specifically thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Normally whenever we see the last few times, for me
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  Speaker 2: it was Vegas.
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  Speaker 3: We're dressed as Dad's normally, with like a drink in hand.
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  Speaker 3: You last saw Ash in Brisbane, I did so the
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  Speaker 3: magic round. I can only imagine what kind of state
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  Speaker 3: he was in.
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  Speaker 6: It was pretty good, yes, you were pretty good Veas,
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  Speaker 6: but it was only Yeah. I think Vegas was the
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  Speaker 6: longest stint.
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  Speaker 4: It was like seven nights. Yes, pretty gay by the
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  Speaker 4: end of that, like I was actually had to do
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  Speaker 4: some work in Brisbane. I feel like in Vegas we
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  Speaker 4: were just like.
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  Speaker 6: Splitting it there, right, you splitting in Vegas? You want
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  Speaker 6: a magic crown.
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  Speaker 3: So he had to do all the It must be
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  Speaker 3: strange to see us in the most professional environment so
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  Speaker 3: far professional.
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  Speaker 6: And not in the sheds for manly singing the team song.
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  Speaker 6: How on earth did that happen.
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  Speaker 1: We just had child and side note, Charlie and Matt
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  Speaker 1: Veach here on Wednesday, the Cat the Fox guys doing
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  Speaker 1: We did like an intro for that segment.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, I did.
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  Speaker 3: Hear mainly have had a few looks at their processes
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  Speaker 3: internally for security.
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  Speaker 4: Off the back of they blocked me.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, like hell, all places so amazing.
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  Speaker 4: I was in the tunnel actually to start off with.
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  Speaker 4: As they were coming.
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  Speaker 6: Off, I saw the vision a lot of it was
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  Speaker 6: it daily, the bigs, the cuddles, like big cuddles. After
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  Speaker 6: that game, like, guys, you beat them, You've opened the
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  Speaker 6: season with the wind I'm here for You've.
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  Speaker 4: Got to be the greatest day of my life.
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  Speaker 3: It started off with shakes that would take a handshake
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  Speaker 3: on the back Proger. I was like like ashes trying
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  Speaker 3: to French kiss the players and they're coming off the field.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, some one's going to do it. Someone's
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  Speaker 4: got to do it.
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  Speaker 6: Almost almost make me want to like manly.
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  Speaker 4: But everyone could be everyone. We love that everyone hates us.
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  Speaker 4: That's the joke, do you know what?
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  Speaker 6: I used to hate them, But then when you start
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  Speaker 6: doing what I do and you get to interview the
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  Speaker 6: traboy bitches and even daily Lovely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lara, when you were a young girl.
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  Speaker 6: I'm still young, but yes, young girl, young.
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  Speaker 2: Girl primary school.
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  Speaker 3: Let's say, yeah, what type of girl were you? I
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  Speaker 3: can't decide if you were someone who liked Barbie dolls
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  Speaker 3: and pink dresses or if you're someone who was quitting
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  Speaker 3: other boys in a headlock and like killing fish.
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  Speaker 6: Down in the bond. I think I had a collection
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  Speaker 6: of Barbie Dolls, definitely. I had two big brothers, so
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  Speaker 6: I was definitely capable of getting in a scrap if
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  Speaker 6: need be. But I would say I was a tomboy
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  Speaker 6: going through my teenagers. I think as a little girl
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  Speaker 6: Barbie Dolls. For sure, did ballet because that's what you
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  Speaker 6: did when you were five or six, and that's what
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  Speaker 6: Mum got me into. But then as I got through
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  Speaker 6: to my teenagers, I felt awkward being too feminine, so
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  Speaker 6: I used to borrow my brothers. Like I'd wear my
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  Speaker 6: brother's clothes. I'd wear like Trackie acts and like be
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  Speaker 6: and my girlfriends were just like whatay night. I did
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  Speaker 6: go through a stage where we'd go to the remember Kappa.
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  Speaker 6: There was dance parties where you'd wear pants remember them.
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  Speaker 6: You're too young anyway, But I feel like I'm going
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  Speaker 6: to fashion sense. I wasn't prepared me.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's like the football brand. Oh yes, k A
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  Speaker 2: p p A with your terrible fashion sense.
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  Speaker 4: It's a teenager, two girls back to back, the.
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  Speaker 6: Pants have the stud so I went through a stage.
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  Speaker 6: Oh this is awful. Why am I talking about this?
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  Speaker 4: Anyway? It was the whole show.
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  Speaker 6: There was an awkward part in the teenagers going through
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  Speaker 6: those dance parties and having a good time and wearing
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  Speaker 6: like crop tops with trackie acts and dancing badly, but
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  Speaker 6: thinking it was really good. My best friend and I
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  Speaker 6: would have a great time going to those.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to ask for some photos if you can
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  Speaker 2: submit the.
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  Speaker 6: I just don't know if I have any.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, it's going to sound really dumb.
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  Speaker 3: But on the weekends, if you're say thirteen fourteen, and
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  Speaker 3: you guys, can you know.
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  Speaker 2: Have free time? Yeap? Would your brothers go off and
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  Speaker 2: leave you alone? Or were you under their wing?
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  Speaker 6: So I should probably say my brothers were nine and
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  Speaker 6: ten years older than me, so right, it was not
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  Speaker 6: a mistake, I promise. It has been told to me
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  Speaker 6: many a time.
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  Speaker 4: I was surprised.
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  Speaker 6: I was a best surprise ever and I was a girl.
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  Speaker 6: So after two boys, my mom and dad, you know,
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  Speaker 6: they're happy to say that my brothers were hand for
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  Speaker 6: compared to me. So nine and ten years old are
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  Speaker 6: my memories of being thirteen and fourteen. By then they'd
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  Speaker 6: left the nests, so I was almost like an early child.
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  Speaker 6: But when I was five or six and they were
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  Speaker 6: teenage boys, they you know, they looked after me. You know,
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  Speaker 6: they've always looked after me. I'm like the little sister.
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  Speaker 6: I remember them picking me up from school when they
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  Speaker 6: got their license. One of my brother one of my brothers,
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  Speaker 6: both of them actually were quite cheeky them had a motorbike.
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  Speaker 6: So I even got picked up in the motor.
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  Speaker 2: Your girl friends like, oh my god.
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  Speaker 6: I think my dad was like absolutely not that thing.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, they were older. There were perks to that
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  Speaker 6: because I don't know, they taught me everything. I think
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  Speaker 6: I learned things probably before my years that they were
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  Speaker 6: doing and they were getting up to. It was pretty
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  Speaker 6: good at dabbing on them because I was so little.
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  Speaker 6: My brother stole my parents' car once and the famous
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  Speaker 6: story is that was turned to me and go who
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  Speaker 6: did it and I went Johnny did it. And my
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  Speaker 6: brother told that in my wedding speech that you know,
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  Speaker 6: I was the sweet one and you know never meant
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  Speaker 6: to get him in trouble, but I was just being honest. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: so we were very close, but age a big factor
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  Speaker 6: and we're still very close, very close.
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  Speaker 1: Family was family, Like, were you I mean you work
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  Speaker 1: in you know, in the sports industry.
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  Speaker 4: Now, were you a big sports family?
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  Speaker 6: Yes? So my dad is European Hungarian, came here fresh
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  Speaker 6: off the bolt. As we grew up hearing the story.
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  Speaker 6: Came to Australia from Hungary with just a little satchel,
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  Speaker 6: no speaking to English, and just a packed lunch and
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  Speaker 6: nothing not even the came here with nothing. No, his
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  Speaker 6: mom stayed back in Hungry for a bit. And anyway, so.
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  Speaker 2: Why did he come over?
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  Speaker 6: He wanted to escape because it was a communist country.
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  Speaker 6: He'd hard a terror, he would say, a hard life
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  Speaker 6: growing up until eighteen, and his mum wanted him to
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  Speaker 6: have a better life. And so, yeah, he has an
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  Speaker 6: amazing story. My dad his inspiration for all of us.
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  Speaker 6: He came here self made. But yeah, the journey was hard.
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  Speaker 6: He had to learn English and get a degree and
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  Speaker 6: all of those things. But the reason I go back
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  Speaker 6: to that is he brought the soccer, round ball influence
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  Speaker 6: into all of our lives. He met my mum, an
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  Speaker 6: Ossie country girl. Don't know how that worked, Like could
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  Speaker 6: not be any more different to each other, Like just
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  Speaker 6: an Aussie girl meets his Hungarian.
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  Speaker 3: And sometimes we find Laura's dad a similar scenario. He
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  Speaker 3: come from Italy, but he tried to remove the Italian
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  Speaker 3: heritage with your dad, did he celebrate the Hungarian heritage?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: I think he also wanted like he had no family,
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  Speaker 6: So I think for my dad, he's very proud of
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  Speaker 6: his heritage, for sure, but he was about making the
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  Speaker 6: proudest thing for dad. Now, we had a beautiful photo
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  Speaker 6: actually only in March, and it's our whole family and
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  Speaker 6: we look at it and he looks at it and
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  Speaker 6: he just goes, well, that's just so amazing. There's like
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  Speaker 6: about fifteen sixteen seventy goosebumps. Yeah, he's got great grandchildren.
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  Speaker 6: Now he's you know, he came here and my mum
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  Speaker 6: had family obviously being Australian, but she was the youngest
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  Speaker 6: and had older siblings, so similar story. The age gaps,
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  Speaker 6: but yeah, I think for dad always shared his story,
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  Speaker 6: super proud of his heritage.
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  Speaker 2: Any like Hungarian traditions.
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  Speaker 6: Not had Hungarian food?
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  Speaker 4: No, maybe accidentally gulash?
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  Speaker 6: Have you not had gulash, paprika, chicken ncoli? Oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 6: my beautiful grandma who's no longer with us, but she Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it was an amazing Hungarian cook. My mum learned tried
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  Speaker 6: to learn Hungarian when she my father. Unfortunately, it's a
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  Speaker 6: really hard language, apparently one of the hardest to learn.
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  Speaker 6: So I think she would love to have learned so
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  Speaker 6: she could teach it as the primary care. Give it
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  Speaker 6: to me and my brothers. That didn't happen. I know
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  Speaker 6: swear words.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone give us.
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  Speaker 4: A couple of swear words. Why don't you give us
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  Speaker 4: the swear word and we'll guess what it is.
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  Speaker 6: I know there's one that I really don't want to
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  Speaker 6: say because it's it's so offensive, Like, yeah, I just
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  Speaker 6: I think from memory as to.
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  Speaker 4: Put your fires, that's fuck you.
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  Speaker 6: I think it might be it could be like it
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  Speaker 6: could be like it could be like oh my god,
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  Speaker 6: but like a worst version of that. But then is
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  Speaker 6: another one that I know if I ever said it
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  Speaker 6: back it would get me into big trouble. But I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 6: you're saying it, He used to say when he would
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  Speaker 6: get frustrated. He could swear in Hungarians, but you couldn't.
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  Speaker 6: You could, I'd be like, Okay, I know that's a
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  Speaker 6: bad one.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like like any swear word in any language
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  Speaker 1: is always like aggressive more.
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  Speaker 6: Than every other word white, like full on.
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  Speaker 4: Loud.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, my dad sneezes loud, like guilty. He'll sneeze and
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  Speaker 6: like people around the street will be like, holy moly's
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  Speaker 6: a man.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, he's a real man.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's almost annoying.
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  Speaker 2: Was it ever tough? Though?
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  Speaker 3: Because he came from nothing? And so did he ever
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  Speaker 3: try and build resilience in you?
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  Speaker 6: And one hundred percent that's where it comes from from me.
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  Speaker 6: My work effic comes from Mum and dad, And yeah,
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  Speaker 6: we've we sat down for his eightieth and wrote a book.
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  Speaker 6: To his book. He wrote his biography, which I think
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  Speaker 6: is really important for all of us to remember to
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  Speaker 6: have forever about just the jobs that he had to
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  Speaker 6: do when he got here because he didn't have the qualifications,
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  Speaker 6: he didn't speak English. But he's the complete example of
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  Speaker 6: someone who was never going to just sit on his hands,
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  Speaker 6: like he had multiple jobs. He studied accounting at night,
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  Speaker 6: eventually was qualified and then just in his I think
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  Speaker 6: it wasn't until his thirties did he find his calling
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  Speaker 6: in real estate. And he was a salesman, like he
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  Speaker 6: could talk to anyone and this man, you know, again
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  Speaker 6: with an accent, and just saw Australia as a land
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  Speaker 6: of opportunity like he. If you want to hear someone
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  Speaker 6: talk about how amazing Australia is, you just talk to Dad.
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  Speaker 6: Because he grew up in communists Hungary, where life was hard,
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  Speaker 6: it was cold, it was poor, he didn't have food
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  Speaker 6: like you know, grew up during the war and was
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  Speaker 6: very good.
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  Speaker 3: Ask you to mow the lawn and you're like I can't.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, let me remind you about community.
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  Speaker 6: True, but talk.
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  Speaker 4: About how I struggle.
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  Speaker 6: But you know it's accurate because now when there are
• 14:00
  Speaker 6: struggles in anyone's life, he'll he'll often say, it's not
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  Speaker 6: real struggle, you know, And sometimes I have to remind him, Dad,
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  Speaker 6: I understand not everyone went through the trauma and the
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  Speaker 6: horrible stuff that you did, which we all need to appreciate,
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  Speaker 6: was really awful. Like he lost his dad in the
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  Speaker 6: war and all of that, but you go, it makes
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  Speaker 6: it's made us all more resilient understanding what real suffering
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  Speaker 6: and what real hard times look like. Our version in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Is a drama.
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  Speaker 4: Like COVID.
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  Speaker 7: He was like, oh, ridiculous, like can't see you, Like
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  Speaker 7: this's so stupid, like no one's even got it, you know,
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  Speaker 7: and you know, so everything is all right and amazing here.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so yes, the round ball. So he uh he
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  Speaker 6: My memories of growing up his dad in the middle
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  Speaker 6: of the night, I could hear him listening to like
• 14:56
  Speaker 6: you you're you know you wait for Champions League in
• 14:58
  Speaker 6: the middle of night, or cheering on Liverpool or just
• 15:01
  Speaker 6: watching soccer all my life, I could hear him. So
• 15:04
  Speaker 6: then he became involved with soccer administration growing up, so
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: back then it was called the NSL, the National Soccer League.
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  Speaker 6: And I have memories, really early memories as a five
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  Speaker 6: or six year old going to es marks Field where
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  Speaker 6: that was played, and he would take me with him.
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  Speaker 6: He'd be in his suit because he was in the
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  Speaker 6: back office, but he was watching and I remember going
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  Speaker 6: in the sheds with him as a little girl, and
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  Speaker 6: that smell and that I was there for the hot chips, right, Like,
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  Speaker 6: I didn't know what I was going for. I didn't
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  Speaker 6: really watch, but it's just a funny story because then
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  Speaker 6: ultimately that's where I'm hanging out around smelly footballers. So
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  Speaker 6: I think you know. I always loved sport. I grew
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  Speaker 6: up playing sport. I didn't go to a sporty school.
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  Speaker 6: I wasn't particularly gifted at sport, but loved the thrill,
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  Speaker 6: the drama.
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  Speaker 1: Everything about real time drama is unmatched amazing.
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  Speaker 2: So your dad do you think planted the seed? Dad?
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  Speaker 4: Planet it?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. And brothers as well, Like I was
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: dragged around to watch them play so rugby league rugby.
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  Speaker 6: I watched football with them on the weekends on TV.
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  Speaker 2: When did journalism come in to play that?
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  Speaker 6: I honestly don't think it was really legitimately an idea
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  Speaker 6: until I finished my first degree. So I went to
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: UNI at eighteen did commerce marketing. Thought I'll go into
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  Speaker 6: event management, like I don't know, and then it was
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  Speaker 6: only until I sort of sat back, when I'm not
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  Speaker 6: really happy doing this, what do I want to do?
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  Speaker 6: I loved writing. I always did well at school in writing,
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  Speaker 6: and I was going to the footy all the time.
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  Speaker 6: I you know, anyway, I just basically made a huge
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  Speaker 6: decision to change careers at about twenty two, twenty three,
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  Speaker 6: I just finished a four year degree.
• 16:47
  Speaker 8: It's also like you always hear that story as like
• 16:51
  Speaker 8: I started accounting and now I'm a car salesman, Like
• 16:55
  Speaker 8: I studied something for so long to realize that I
• 16:57
  Speaker 8: don't want to do that.
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: Of course, how good? And then I thought, great, my
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: beautiful Hungarian dad and mum are going to really love
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: that conversation, like I'm going back to study again. And
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: it was fine. I think because I had a plan,
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: I had to have it all laid out. I said,
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: I'm going to work in the day. I'm going to
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: do this fire correspondence. I'm going to get jobs everywhere
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: I can. I'm going to get my foot in the door. Like,
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: no worries as long as you've you know, you've got
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: a path and you know what your endgame is. And
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: I think they saw in me that I was very determined,
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: and yeah I did. I think when you know what
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: your dream is and you can set your sights on it,
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: I think if I was very fairy about it, I
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: just want to go back and study and have a
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: plan and live off you. They'd be like, absolutely not.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: It was always going to be journalism within sports.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: Yes, I always wanted to do sports, So I went
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: and worked in every actually spent a year working at
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: the Footy Show back in two thousand really six, So
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: that tells you how old I am now twelve me too, Yeah,
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: let's not go there. But I was a production assistant
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: back then with Maddie was on the show Stlow, Maddie
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: and the Chief. So it was the original group because
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: not the original but the.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Back back then the show was enormous.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like it was massive and it was just men.
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So I did a year on that and the
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: only female on the show was Lady Luck. I don't
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: even remember Lady Luck because again would yeah, just do
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: the and this week the beautiful Alikzleskie I think or
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: Natalie was on. Remember that because it was probably four.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: I was six.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: I was just.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: I was full transparency. I was sixteen.
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: Okay, well, so you probably won my life. You were
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: having a good time. You probably went watching the Footy
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: Show every Thursday. But my job there was to organize
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: stuff for the skits and to get the food for
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: Thursday show and then also get some archive vision, which
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: was the part I actually really enjoyed, going into the
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: wide world of sports like archive and like back then
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: it was all on tapes. It's very different now. And
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: you know, I just loved rugby league. But what I
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: probably realized then was whilst I loved that year, it
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: was so fun, I wanted to be a part of
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: the conversation. I wanted to talk footy, I wanted to
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: It just honed the fact that I wanted to be
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: part of the sports broadcasting, not Lady Luck, like no disrespect,
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: but there wasn't anyone other than Lady Luck in a
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: female role. And then it was that year that Fox
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: Sports News launched, So at that time I looked and
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: tried to get a job there, but it was really
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: like tricky. Everyone wanted to work there. And I got
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: a job in Fox Sports in the logging department, which
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: is basically like watching sport and logging every moment. That
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: sounds great, Yeah, I know, hood that's what I did
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: because you had to do.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Being I mean being a female, trying to get your
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: foot into such a it's dominated by men. Like it's
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: so obvious and like it's so great now like that
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: there's all these different women reporters and you know, giving
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: an analysis on the game, like trying to get in
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: back then give us an idea of what that was like.
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think into the newsroom not such an issue
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: because there were so many women already qualified and wanting
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: to be in the sports newsroom, like a number of
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: them now is still all over in sports roles like
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: Jessica Yates, is there Sarah Jones in Melbourne and AFL.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: So getting into sport not such a big thing. But
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: getting into rugby league, I guess initially yes, not as
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: many of us. Now it has changed a lot. Most
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: of our hosts on Fox league of women. Yeah, so
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: that probably shows you how much it has changed in
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: the eighteen years that I've been at Fox Sports. Again,
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: I started when I was twelve, remember, ye been there
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: a very long time. But yeah, for sure at the beginning,
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: of course there's difficulty, but I don't think it's because,
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: of course there's a natural thing to say, oh there
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: wasn't a place for women. There would have been people,
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: and I probably just didn't want to give them airtime
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: in my own head that thought, oh, what place does
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: a woman have. I had my sight set on doing it,
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: and that was just going to be me. I'm going
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: to try my hardest and prove my worth and show
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: that I have the credentials. But I think if you
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: focus on those people too much, you're not going to
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: get there. But ultimately it had to change because if
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: you want to reflect the fan base and reflect where
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: society's at, it was just going to be a natural
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: passage of time. And there was a lot of women
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: already doing media coverage in the papers, in radio. They
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: just hadn't conquered the TV.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: But on your boys and the husband, can we go
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: back to how you met your husband?
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: Have you had any race?
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: This?
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Maybe not?
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: You tell us we've been speaking to Anthony during the week.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: He's giving us a lot of information.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: Can I can I introduce Anthony with something? Oh so,
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't be a journalist if I didn't bring something.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: You are just for those listings.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: Remember what I said to you when we met you
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: in Vegas? Do you know? Can you recognize that? For
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: people on the podcast, Lara has just revealed a beautiful
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: modeling image.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: This is Matthew Johnson. No tea Matthew Johnson.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: You can take it out. There's actually a second one
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: that I think is a little even. It's the same,
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: it's the same photo, but what's happening with just to explain,
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: this is my husband's business, the Academy brand, and back
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: in the day when the business first started, Maddie was
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: one of the very first models. And when you approached
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: me in Vegas, I was like, Maddie the model and
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: Maddie wasn't that.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I forgot about that whole conversation when we were interviewing you.
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: You're about to interview me the cal Maddie. You probably
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: don't know me or remember me, but you were one
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: of my husband's very first models for his floating business.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: You've got a little Reese Maston about you, the.
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: Long hair into the ruins that catal the campaign into
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: the ruins. I'm just like, there's something you can.
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: Do with that.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Very good.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I love you.
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: I had to bring something to get you on because
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: it's not all about me, it's about you guys.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: To thank you.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, we'll make sure this is onus. Thank you
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: for that.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I've got some old photos of many that I've got
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: stored away that I've done some deep.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Diving on too. And you've just added to add to
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: that your husband.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: Yeaes and than I I think you've called child sweet arts.
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: We meant we met after school, but it's a long
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: time ago, so I feel like we're almost child with sweethearts.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: But we have a great story. We tell the kids that,
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: of course he liked me, I didn't like him. He
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: wore a brown leather jacket when I first met him.
• 24:11
  Speaker 9: Therefore, and yeah, he looked like a creep, so like him,
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: and the kids like that.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: You know, that's the story. You know, Mum liked dad, Dad,
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: No dad like Mummum didn't like dad.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Is that true?
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: Though it is true. I liked like I liked There
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: was a spark there, for sure. He was funny. Is funny?
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: What was holding you back?
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Fashion sense?
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: Definitely, seriously seriously, but he will laugh at this. He
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: was super confident, He is super confident. He wore clothes
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: like no one else would wear them. He was very
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: fashion forward, and he was a trailblazer. He was and
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: but also like the most affable, easygoing, confident guy. And
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: I think purely he was interested in me, made me
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: not interested in him because I'm so young, and he
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: kept asking me for coffee, and I was like, coffee,
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: you we're nineteen.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Get.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Give me a goon bag and I'll be the fortune.
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: Ultimately, a year later, he stopped being interested and went
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: on a trip to Greece with his mates and I went, oh,
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: come back, it's not And he did come back, and
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: he looked hot because he was brown and amazing, and
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: suddenly I liked him. And I think I sent a
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: really awkward text message. But reading through the lines, he
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: was like, Okay, she likes me, and I don't want
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: to say it. Come on, yeah, yeah, let's go now
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: is a terrible.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Like for anyone who's single and going, how can I
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: get that guy?
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: It?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Just write this message.
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: I just know I don't want to come on. I
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: think it's not a big deal. I think I just
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: said something like my other tables. See this is the oversharing.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: I did not want to do anyway. But that was
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: all I mean. I turned.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: I turned it off for like a day. I was
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: on a shift. I used to work at a bar,
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: and I sent it and went on shift turned it off.
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: And I was so frightened because I just put it
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: all out there, like that's all I said. But that
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: was it, and then I didn't.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's so bad.
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: It worked, I was it so yeah that and it
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: was pretty like straight up serious from then on, Like
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: I went traveling after UNI and we were apart for
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: that time, but pretty much after that we've been together
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: since we were really young. And yeah, got married. I
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: did make him wait for everything though, Like I was
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: not ready to get married, and we got married. Then
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: I wasn't ready to have kids, you know, I was
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: happy with you know, I wanted to career. I was
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: very career.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Driven, and there was Anthony pushing kids.
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: Initially I was too, like I wanted always wanted a family,
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: but it got to the point where he's like, Okay,
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: what's happening with that? And also over involved hungarian father,
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: what's happening with that? I love your dad? But I
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: think mostly when people then pushed me in one direction,
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: I would always go the other way. So I think
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: I was like, well, it's about when I'm ready, it's
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: not about when everyone else is ready.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: So then when do you figure out when the right
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: time is? Then?
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: With your career, yeah, I think there wasn't probably ever
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: going to be a right time. You just needed to
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: be ready to take a break and also if you
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: can time it in the off season, which worked well
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: with the first two. The third it was by then
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: I was like, whatever happens, happened. So we had Lockie
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: he's nine now, and then Cooper he was two years
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: just under two years later, and then Hamish was a
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: COVID baby, and yeah, he's he's the best. I mean
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: they're all the best, but you know the third's always
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: the big one. Are you going to do the third?
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: And absolutely, in no regrets. He's a firecracker and hilarious
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: and complex family old now.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Four four okay, yeah, so you've got nine seven seven
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: four yeah?
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Three?
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: How three boys?
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I think I asked this question and think about Laura,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: who was someone who really struggles to stop working every
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: second of the day. Whether it be during the evening, weekend,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: it's no difference. She's always working. And I imagine that
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: you're cut from the same cloth. So when you're having
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: to take time off to have the baby, how did
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: you deal with that?
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: I found it hard. I didn't want to have like
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: a year off. That was just how I was. I
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: probably think back on it now and I probably would
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: say that I should have had more of a break.
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: We always do that to ourselves, so and also knowing
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: who he is now, I think he probably could have
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: done with me being one hundred percent committed to being
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: home twenty four to seven. My husband will hate that
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: I'm blaming myself for anything, and I'm not, but I
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: just think, you know, you always think as a parent
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: how you could do things differently, But I wasn't. I
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: wasn't gone seven days or anything when I had him
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: in January. I think the season started in March obviously,
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: and I was initially only doing like one and a
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: half days a week, so you know that's not I
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: don't think a lot. I may have mentally been checked
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: out more than if I was at home full time.
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: Then with Cooper, he was born in November, so I
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: had from November to March off. Still doesn't sound like
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: a long time.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I beat my like my wife had both twelve months
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: since off for both of that years, and like that's
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: fairly common, like six to twelve months, but to go
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: back after, if you break that down into weeks, it's
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: not that much like you're I mean, my sister went
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: back to work ten weeks after.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: She's a business owner and I could see how disheveled
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: she was, how.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: How it didn't benefit her or so I can imagine
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: it's you wanted to go back to work, then it
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: must be really hard thinking is this the right or
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the wrong decision.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: I also think you go, there's got to be a
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: part of you that goes well, I don't want to
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: lose where I was, And that's not there's no pressure
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: from work, because Fox have been absolutely amazing and supportive.
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: It's it's just internal where you go. Of course, I
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: want to keep doing what I was doing, and if
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: I'm out of sight, I'm out of mind, and maybe
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: I won't come back to the same job. And again
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: that's all self inflicted.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: You don't want to You think, oh, I don't want
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: to miss an opportunity as well, like you never know,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: things can happen, things can change all the time, and
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you think, Okay, if I'm not there, someone else is
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: going to get that opportunity.
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: And I know that of course the baby stage and
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: the newborn stage, you should absolutely be there for every
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: single moment if you can. But I actually will say
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: it gets harder, like the older they get, the more
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: they need you. I know that a newborn needs you
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: a humpy but right now, like just pure logistics, three
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: of them right now. It's and the emotional stuff it
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: continues and other challenges as they get over.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if I'm with babies, you're like, Okay, needs to
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: be fed, needs to be changed, needs to sleep, We
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: need to get that into a routine. But as they
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: get older, it's like they need to be they need
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: to be fed, we need to put them to bed,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: need to have them bath, to make sure that they're
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: emotionally okay, physically okay, Yeah, they're learning, they're you know,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: they're they're behaving there that you know, there's so much
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: more to it does get harder. I can't imagine, you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: nine and seven, I'm like, oh.
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: Definitely, yeah, just different challenges though. I think every time
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: we go, I mean, I have my I have a
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: number of mum friends and my two closest girlfriends who
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: will often have conversations and it's like what's the latest stuff,
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: Like after school drop off, there's something to talk about
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: nearly every day about what's happened that morning.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: It's pretty much podcast.
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, what happened to you today was the biggest meltdown
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: in your house?
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Or so, Yeah, then how do you manage that with Anthony?
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: I think it's always the biggest unknown with couples going
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: into having kids is how you share the responsibilities. Some
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: men are great, others require a bit more work. I
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: initially was a good ship.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: And you dance. Some need a little bit more work,
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: some of hopeless. Yeah that's better.
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: It depends what your dynamic is that right?
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Somehow, how was your dynamic with Anthony pre kids and
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: then having kids?
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: I think he knew that he was going to what
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: was well, yeah, I think he knew he was going
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: to be hands on.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: That was who he was.
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: That's who I fell in love with. I think a
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: very family oriented person who loved children. And also he
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: knew I had a job and work, so it was
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: going to be a juggle. I don't think we completely
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: knew at all how it was going to feel. A
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: look but uh, I often joke that he's the better
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: half of our half. I don't know how you on
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: your relationship, but he's like the funny guy, the outgoing guy,
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: can handle everything. I'm like the frazzled person. A lot
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: going on with you.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Probably our wives will disagree.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: Are you the better half of your half. Absolutely, I'm
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: happy to give him arout. Yeah. No, he's a really
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: hands on dad. I feel like this is my moment
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: to give him credit because he doesn't get it often enough.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: At home.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: He is very invested, and the reason why it doesn't
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: get enough credit is because I feel that he should
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: be and he's married someone that wants that and wants
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: that for the children and for him to be hands on.
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: I think the part that is still a huge struggle.
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it's the same for your partners,
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: but the women in my mind still carry a lot
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: of the mental load. So and then he's hugely hands on,
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: like in every physical aspect with the boys, connect it
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: in and gets them everywhere. But in terms of logistics
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: and needing to know where they're going, what uniform, what
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: permission slip, whose birthday, who's getting the present, whose social
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: diary is doing what? Like, that's still a part that
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: in my in my opinion, the mum usually he's across
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: all those extra details.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: So that's exactly like my dynamic Abriel, I wouldn't know
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: where we're going tomorrow, yeah, but she does.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: I'll just get us there.
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: So like Saturday, well this week, any weekend, I'm usually
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: on the road for footy, so I'll still we'll still
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: have to have those conversations about the logistics and what's
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: happening and where we got you know, and you know,
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: and that's totally fine, but there's that like that the
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: mouse on the wheel, like constantly thinking about what's the
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: next thing.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of mums listening will probably want
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: to know how do they get their husband to be
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: more like Anthony?
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Did you have to did you have to train him
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: to be?
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: What's that program a look?
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: Can you give a shout out to my mother in law?
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Or do that's just the way that he was?
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah? I think so that's the I think that's the
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: way he was dynamic.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: So few of us, there is so few of us
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: he wants to be on.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: He wants me well, but you know, like there's always
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: a bit of training. When we first moved in together,
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: he needed a few kicks up the butt. Pick up
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: your towel, please, I'm not going on the bed the
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: garbage out. That's your job, not doing that. I'll do
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: a lot of the jobs. He still doesn't, you know
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: what I've painted him to be perfect.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Was washing?
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: He doesn't like, do you do loads of washing and
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: drying and hanging out and stuff. That's one thing he
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: still doesn't do. So sorry, he's not perfect. There's plenty
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: I can you want me to just some dirt? I
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: got some.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: We we do because there's a lot of petty stories
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: that come out of it, like oh, wash my stuff
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and not aprils if she has annoyed.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Me, Matt hung out?
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Matt, was it you hang out your stuff only? We
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: definitely both do laundry. April, that's true.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: It is easy.
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: You need to come and chat to him, because that's
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: far that we still haven't conquered. He finds that too hard.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Laun is within your control, I find and if it's
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: within your control, you can manage it.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: I would rather do laundry than feed a toddler.
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: Yea, No, he does all the he's good with that, cooking,
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: feeding and all of that. But yeah, that's fine. You
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: got to pick your battles. Like some of the things.
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, that's in my lane. But recycling garbage
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: all that, I don't care. If it's overflowing, that is
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: your job?
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Does it?
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: Is it?
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: How is it for you?
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Then as a as a mum speaking to other mums
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: where your dynamic is quite different to the norm. Do
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: you have that internalized mum guilt.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: About the dynamic of Anthony and I or working mum.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: I guess if you're if you're comparing kind of war
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: stories as a parent and your stories a bit different
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: because you weren't running to the football on the weekend
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: for your boys, you were working on the weekend.
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I think there's a balance, right, So I've
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: also got my work down pat where part of the
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: weekend I'm available, so I make sure that I'm not
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: completely missing because that would be the worst. That's when
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: the mum gilt would one hundred percent takeover. So some
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: days I'm off, I've made sure that that's a day
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: that I can be there for that's when they play
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: rugby league, so it's quite a good day to have off.
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I think all my mum friends have a
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: different dynamic at home. Some of them are working moms,
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: some of them are full time stay at home moms.
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: But we've all got issues going on and we all
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: relate on that. Like everyone has got stuff on their plate,
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: trying to navigate problems with the kids, or dramas or
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: school issues, socials. So it's it doesn't matter what your
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: dynamic is. Yeah, I don't feel I don't feel like
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: it's any different. I think, you know, of course, like
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: my work takes me away from stuff.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: So how do you deal with those situations where there
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: is an event when they be daycare or yeah that's school.
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like Saturday, all the mum's caught up for lunch.
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: I miss the mom's lunch, you know, like just a
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: bit of social time with the mums. Yeah, I find
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: that I'm just going to miss out on things. But
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: that's pretty much the way it is from February to October.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: And then you know, my summers are pretty good and
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: I can hopefully squish in as much quality time.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: It's like mom, enough, are you?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I mean when they are teenagers, they'll probably be a
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: bit more like that, but now, I mean, especially with boys,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: like I have one boy. He is mummy's little boy. Yes,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I can imagine having three mummies little boys. April is
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the default parent. As we joke.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: It's a lot and they must hang off here as
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: well when you're around.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: So he's your boys, Like, how would you describe his demeanor.
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: Is he alpha? Is he he's.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Scared of his own shadow?
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he you know, he can be quite strong willed,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: but a lot of the time.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: He's he's shy.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: But at the same time he is.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Were you trying to kidnap him, long.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: Star, it's a long start because you are clearly enamored
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: with him.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Trying to down with him by growing down. I tried
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: to drag him into a room.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: A hotel, on a boat and it didn't go down well.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: He is I'd say he is an introvert, but he
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: plays like the way that he plays. He was like,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: I feel like he would in the pool, for example,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: he'd be trying to flip in the pool and he
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: loves that rough play.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah he does, but he's he's quite timid as well.
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: So come to my house and see it. Seriously, every
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: day is just like pick your own adventure. This morning,
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: husband got up, Anthony went to play golf this morning. Actually,
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: so whether you want to give that a tick or
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: a cross, I don't know.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Condone golf, so the mother's out there.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a long hobby to have.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: I feel like that.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: Anyway. The point is he went to golf, so I
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: got up a six thirty, jumped in the shower. The
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: three of them were in my room. I was like, hey,
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: your close are there, go start getting ready. All I
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: hear is can you smell my you know? And I'm like,
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: oh fuck. And then there's just it. Then you know,
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: someone's ends up punching someone because they've just started rumbling
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: and it's physical.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: It only stops when someone gets hurt.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: Yes, it's.
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: We know how to wind ourselves back down again, just
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: winding ourselves up for the day.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: So you had many trips to the emergency room.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: Do you know what, We've been super lucky, Absolutely remarkably lucky.
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: I don't know how we've avoided it, but every day
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: is like flirting with that for sure. I'm not joking.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: Like every every toy can be a weapon, every door
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: can become a finger issue.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: You know, my son's stairs in your.
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: House, stairs falling downstairs and they're bouncy and they the
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: kids are stairs. I imagine when when you see them
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: falling over, I'm like, oh my god, I'd be my back.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: Would be out the stairs out for a month.
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: You would have snapped up. They know, they just bounced back.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: We haven't had a lot of we haven't got any
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: dramatic trips that which would touchwood, but yeah, just constant battle.
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: Like in the morning they get out of the car
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: and I'm like, how did it like assaulted my senses
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: for the hour that they after they woke up. But yeah,
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: I think talking about boys, initially you have them and
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: his baby and they're like you know that. But then
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: they become these little crazy people and and that's when
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: I had to start reading and sort of getting informed
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: about why they're so different to girls. And I know
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: that that sounds ridiculous. I feel silly even saying it, but.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: We get a lot of people who asked that question,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: how do you parent boys and girls differently?
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: So do you know Maggie Dent? Have you heard of
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: Maggie Dent? She's a not read her mothering.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: She's a big fan of her work.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I've.
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: Brought the book so you can read. Yeah, I've got
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: him for this, suf I love love stuff Mothering our Boys'.
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: It just explains the dynamic and how different boys are
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: to girls. In me, So there's rooster boy or a lamb.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Boy, right, it's so confused.
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: So a rooster boys very alpha, very like in your face.
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: That's why I asked you your son might be a
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: mix of both. When a lamb is traditionally like a
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: sort of I wouldn't say soft in a negative way,
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: but like a calmer maybe would be found doing puzzles,
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: reading books, being calm. And then my boys are like
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: three roosters, so the dynamic of understanding they need and
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: they have energy they need X, Y and Z. Have
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: a ball in the boot all the time. Take them
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: to the park to kick. If they're off the charts,
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: it's usually an emotional reason for that. If they're not
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: listening to you, it's not because they're being rude. It's
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: often because they can't hear you, and you're like, what,
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: ils don't do that, chilla, And they listen and they're
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: emotionally connected. Differently girls to boys, And I don't want
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: boys to feel different, but I think they have different
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: needs at a younger age to girls, like boys can
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: come across as being naughty or needing to be toughened up,
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: whereas you would never say that to a girl tough enough.
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: So anyway, her book's fascinating, Like she has a chapter
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: called I Think Food Fun and farts like boys, like
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: clearly you still feel that way. Boys like that and
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: little boys like that, like if there's an opportunity to
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: break the craziness with some humor or silliness or silly
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: songs or yeah, toilet humor, anything like that, that's what
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: they love. You be cushions.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Like when you found out you were having a third boy, I.
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: Didn't know what I was having each time?
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Every time was your reaction? Do you remember when you.
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: Knew it? Like I just knew it?
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, really, yeah knew it.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I just yeah that you understood how boys operate?
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: You probably? Yeah. I would love to have known what
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: it would be like to have a daughter. The dynamic
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: would be different in the house for sure. I mean,
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: who knows, I could have had it like a really
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: dominant alpha girl as well. But I think we have
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: a niece who comes over a lot, who's the same
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: age as my eldest, and I call her the calming goat,
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: like she could come over whenever she was Can the
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: calming goat please come over and sleep? Because she's just
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: she walks in and she's chill, and the boys come
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: to her level. And when she's not there, I'm like
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: a She just relaxes them and they get mesmerized by her.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Out of the three, who's the naughtist?
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: Oh so hard. It depends what day.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Change the bat.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Together in the morning, Ye're up. We want a good performance.
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: I want to see mom lose it.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Because lose it she swears ten.
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: I'm like, don't swear. And I've got like, I've tried
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: some all sorts of things to stop them from being naughty.
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: And then they're like, but you're doing it.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, got on a technique. What's the naughtiest thing that
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: they've done?
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: My gosh, what's the naughtiest thing?
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: What springs to mind?
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: I mean they got into a rock fight with the
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: neighbors once tell us about that, and the neighbor's kid
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: threw a rock and it smashed the pool fence. That
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: was awesome. I was at a game and get the
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: call from Oh, the neighbors just smash them. And you know,
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: I'm like, who started it? He's like, I don't know,
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: Just like, who thinks it's a good idea to start
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: throwing rocks like this size over the fence at each other?
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: These type of stories that I always thought I wanted
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: boys and I hear that, I'm like, thank goodness.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I've got two girls. Yeah.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: I do want to know though, because we always have
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: myself and Laura the talk of.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: The third third.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Be honest, yeah, be honest with me. Here do you
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: regret having Hamish?
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: I will not be the person that comes on your
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: podcast and says, don't have three children, baddie. I will say,
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: go for it. I will also tell you. I will
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: tell you that a lot of people did say don't
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: before we had three, Like people are quite happy to
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: tell you that have three, don't do it. Yeah they've
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: got three, and they're going you're out numbered, and they
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: would further down the track. So I should have probably
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: taken on board. But again, you tell me to do something,
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: I usually do the opposite.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: So that was the hardest phase.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: Now when when probably now yeah, baby stage, he was
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: the best blessing. Like we had him in COVID the
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: world was horrible. We you know, we weren't even stuck
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: inside here in Sydney like everyone in Melbourne. But he
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: brought a like there was very stressful business, so you
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: know Anthony's business a lot of stress around that. So
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: to have him at home was such a happy time.
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: He just brought so much light and happiness, and he
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: was adorable and the boys, you know, adored him from
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: them like the first two don't always adore each other.
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: They fight a lot because there's a sibling rivalry there.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: But he brought this, Oh my god, there's a baby
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: that needs them, needs mum. They kind of accepted that.
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: They don't accept it around each other, but him, it's
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: okay because he's the baby. So yeah, I would say
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: do it it. Just know that it's a lot that
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: you are outnumbered, and when you're doing things like simple things,
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: I'm not simple.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this will make sense, but I'll
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: ask this question. When I had Lola, you know, the
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: biggest change was that, all of a sudden, my time
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: was split between two kids. You know, it was so
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: easy to give Maley so much attention when it was
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: just her and the picture. Yea, My worry is that
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: with three kids, all of a sudden, your time is
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: diluted again. Is that the case you didn't think it is?
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I wish, yeah, I wish I had you know, yeah,
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: and giving enough.
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: There's all these like posts on Instagram like make sure
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: you spend ten minutes of quality time with each child
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: a day is at all No, just you too, though,
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: like I don't have that time.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, I was like, I've just grouped all together and
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: make it one.
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: You can't though it's supposed to meet their needs, Like
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: it's so hard, Like there'll be these beautiful dads, they say,
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: I take my each child on a walk, like every
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: every day, I choose a different child to spend that
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: time with. And I'm like, it's unrealistic. I don't have
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: that time. You wish you had time to have.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: One on one time.
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: You don't they do, I should say they want that one.
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: I think it is really challenging, the spreading your time
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: amongst the three, and they do feel it, of course
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: they feel it. And half their poor behavior is because
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: they're furious that they haven't got you to themselves. And
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: that's what you forget, get cranky at them and you're like,
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: why are you being so annoying? It's because they want
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: to tell you about their day, and this is the
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: other ones are like it and they don't get their airtime.
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: So yeah, that part is definitely hard.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: TV pun by the way, with that one, the airtime,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: you said, totally I want to go back just a
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: little bit, so and we did skip over something there.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: Motherhood.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Early on, you had some health struggles. Do you mind
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: telling So.
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: I loved being pregnant. Most women hate being pregnant, So
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: I'm one of those annoying people who really loved it. Yeah,
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: I felt really well. Yeah, I was really lucky. I
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: felt really well. I enjoyed it, like, just didn't feel uncomfortable. Lucky,
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: very lucky.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: Do you have any particular cravy just.
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: Little Elberg little how many? I ate like it would
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: be awful. Yeah. I had a lot of chicken burgers.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: She loved Parsley, Yeah, little elbergers that.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: We have a little Yeah, a lot of chicken.
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: I might have one.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: So all three braincies were great and then but afterwards
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: didn't feel great, so, you know, very fatigued, like beyond fatigue,
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: like walk walking up the stairs like felt I'm like breathless.
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: And then I just was like, am I being a hypochondriac?
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: Because I can be a hypochondriact sometimes And went to
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: the GP and he's like, Lara, you've gone back to
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: work quite quickly.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: It's a bit run down.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you might be just a.
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: You're tired you've got you've got a baby, and that's fine,
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: that's yeah, fair cool, And I don't blame him. I
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: still love him. He's my GP and everything. It's fine.
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: But it took a while, but I think I think
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: it was about eight months after I had the first
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: we did more comprehensive blood tests and found that my
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: firoid wasn't functioning properly. So essentially what it was was
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: postpartum viroiditist, which is like a post baby reaction my thyroid,
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: where the hormones that it's supposed to produce are not
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: on the right levels, and it can make you either
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: feel if it's underactive, it can make you feel really
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: depressed and slow, or if it's overactive, it makes you
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: feel like you're on speed. And I was I think
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: at the time, I was overactive, so I was like,
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: my heart rate was always really jittery.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: And yeah, so how long were we dealing with it
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: before you got diagnosed?
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I probably had it straight like pretty much
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: after I had himTo eight months postpartum before we figured
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: it out.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: It's a long time.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: And if you don't you also don't know what you
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: don't know, so you like, okay, I've had is my
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: first baby.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know what my body's supposed to be like
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: after that.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like we do heavily rely on professionals to
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: give us that.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: And also you know when they do more extensive, it's
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: just because you're just not feeling right. Do you remember
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: any other like, like, so you're saying you're breathless, remember
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: any other symptoms?
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: I felt like anxious, like really anxious, and then I
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: lost all the baby wait really quickly, right, And most
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: people like, oh my god, how amabe? But you're like,
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: I know that sounds nice, but I felt unwell, so
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: I was like, anyway, short story is that all those
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: symptoms like losing the weight, all of that super quickly
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: is babe basically telling you that your far was not working.
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: It leveled itself out. I had Cooper. It was worse
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: after Cooper.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: It went worse again bad.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: How do you medicate that?
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: So you couldn't. They can't get so when you're over,
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: you're creating too much of this of the hormone. So
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: there's nothing really they can do other than give you
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: something to calm the jittery. If you're under underactive, so
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: you're not producing enough, they can give you thoroxin. So
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: I think with Cooper, I eventually ended up being underactive,
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: so I took some of that for a while, but
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: it normalized and then I had Hamish and I didn't
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: have anything, so it was yeah, so with him it
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: didn't happen.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: That's why.
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: He just made me happy. To be fair, I probably
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: should have known. I love my mum to death, but
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: when I mentioned my throad, she goes, oh, yeah, I've
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: had some of those, you know, like just a typical
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: Like that's just so typical a mom. She just wouldn't
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: have thought to mention it. And the doctor's like, yeah,
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: it's genetic. P thanks mom.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Perfect.
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: We could have got to the bottom of it a
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: little bit.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: So up.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Before we recorded, you mentioned that your family you've not
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: slept in the right bed since covid or.
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: I tried to think about the date. I reckon I
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: could count on one hand that we've all slept in
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: the right bed.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: Musical beds going is like five years.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: How does it normally work?
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: Give her Okay, I had perfect babies. They all slept well.
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: I had them in a strict routine four hourly sleeps, feeds,
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: sleep feeds sleep. Then my eldest got to three or
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: four and started to get night terrors. And just as
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: he's gotten older, he's become more scared at night, which
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: is just what we're dealing with him. He's the nine
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: the seven year olds are chiller, like he could he'll
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: sleep anyway. But I think he's just following him now.
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: And now the last six months or so, the heymish
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: just started. Well, I'm getting up, like if everyone else
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: is getting up in the middle of the night. So
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: we all go to bed in the right spot. The
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: night starts off fine, but then you hear which one
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: is it, and it's usually the eldest first, and he
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: comes in like a thunderbolt of lightning because he's had
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: a dream. So you hear him like and then he
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: jumps in your bed and you're like fast asleep. You're like,
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: just get into bed like we used to get up
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: to try. And we've been going on a journey with him,
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: but we've gotten to the point where are like, sleep's
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: more important. We want him to not be so worried
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: about it. It's not a big deal. He'll grow out
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: of it. It's not forever.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: You're knocking the.
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: Fifteen and still doing it. We'll kick him out.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: But also similar here, like it's kind of nice.
• 55:25
  Speaker 6: It's okay for one, but not free. We have a
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: king sized bed. Usually then the next one will come in.
• 55:32
  Speaker 6: We've got a mattress on them, and the mattress is
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: there for like I don't know, just yes.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Do you ever end up in the kids like last night?
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: No, Anthony was in the spare room last night. He
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: ended up in there because you go, I can't say
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: I've got someone's knees or in my back. I'm like
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: pushing someone away and you both you're both looking waiting
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: for one to get up and leave, and you know,
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: we take turns. I won't get up every night and
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: leave the room, but yeah, ultimately we're in it a
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: patch five ye, a long patch of lack of sleep.
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: Like I don't know what uninterrupted sleep is unless I'm
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: on the road.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Like magic in there'd be so many parents listening right now, going,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: oh my god, this is my life. Oh yeah, last
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: night last night, I like it was like eleven thirty
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: and I'm not usually up that late.
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: I just couldn't sleep.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: And then I hear the door open because they share
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: a room and they've got white noise still for my younger.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: So I hear the door open and the white nose go,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: it comes and.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: Then it goes, and then I hear that, and I'm
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: just like, oh, then s.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: But sometimes I'll just go. You get into bed with
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Marma and I'll just go straight to Israel.
• 56:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because you want to have a good night sleep right, Yeah,
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: it's cuge for.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: A minute, for a minute until he starts elbowing me.
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: I feel like we could talk to you for a
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: long time, but you have places to be, you do.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Last question before you go, I would like to know
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: when your boys are all grown up, they're no longer
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: at home, they're no longer kicking you in the back
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: in bed. What is the one thing you would like
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: them to remember about the house that they grew up.
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: I hope that they think of it as a loving,
• 57:20
  Speaker 6: warm and open home. I think that they'll remember it
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: as a crazy house where mum and dad lost their um.
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: They will the legit of it is, they'll the funny
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: stuff will be, you know how crazy they sent us like,
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: it will be. But I want them to always know
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: that they can come home be with us. They love family,
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: their best memories of being as a family. So I
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: want them to be resilient people. I want them to
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: be happy. That's like the most important thing for me
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: is that they're happy and confident when they grew up
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: that they had a loving and warm home. I love
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: except maybe yeah, less screaming, remember all of it, but
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: it forget.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: But yeah, thank you so much for jumping on.
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: See you in Vegas again, hope.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: So who knows when you'll bump into us next?
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: You'll see us? Yeah, behind you the foot Gum.
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: Brisbane Grand Final.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe at least we're not dragging support.
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: Oh that is a nasty way to end. Thank you
• 58:34
  Speaker 6: very much, Bye bye.
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