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Cole Gibbens: 2:16 debut / Building an online community / How much mileage is too much? · Easy Double podcast

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  from the track to the rodeo we talk that talk splits on the
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  watch, but we still take the Mick Dean in power for the long
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  run. Legs going bricks the fire when
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  the session gets thick. Ryan in the mix with the numbers
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  and plans from ever sauce the medals.
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  Yeah, we break it all down hard graft Monday left about a
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  Sunday. Still chasing Peeves while the
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  world. Spins today on the Easy Double
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  Podcast, I'm joined by the one and only Carl Gibbons.
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  Some of you may know Call from his YouTube channel at Call
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  Running, but if you've been watching along, you'll know he's
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  just not making videos. He's been racking off some
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  pretty fast times again. 1424 for five KA, 2945 for 10 KA,
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  6444 for the half marathon, and then on his marathon debut, he
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  just rocks up with AA21652 on his very first attempt.
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  Yeah, Call. Welcome to the show.
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  Thank you very much. I'm I'm also a big fan of of the
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  podcast, so maybe I should be interviewing you.
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  I don't. Know it's our honor to have you
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  on yeah, like create some crazy, crazy times and we're big fans
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  here. We love the YouTube, so we love
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  that you document everything and yeah, no, it's great to have you
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  on. I appreciate that a lot.
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  It's good to be here. OK, so you get, but we'll get
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  into a few quick fires and that's how we normally start off
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  just to sort of break the ice. And do you follow a football
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  team, a soccer team? I.
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  Do, but it's a bit embarrassing. I'm a I'm a Leeds United fan.
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  I once you had a good win last night.
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean, we played like
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  horrifically. So I don't know how we've
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  managed to get through. Yeah, anything to.
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  I've got a couple of like a couple of good friends of mine
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  that are all West Ham, Spurs and and Burnley fans.
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  So I've really, I've really hoped, but at least two of the
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  three of those go down. You've got good odds, yes.
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  Spurs aren't looking too good. Are you a half tight or a split
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  short type of guy? Or does that depend on the race?
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  So yeah, it depends on the race. I actually listened to your
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  episode of Callum Nelson and I would probably say the exact
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  same thing as him. If it's like if it's a track
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  race is probably going to be like half tights.
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  If it's like a short race and then they see the longer and
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  especially if it's on the roads, it becomes split shorts.
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  Nice, nice, nice. Do you have like a booklet
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  bucket list race that you'd like love to hit?
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  Like I know being from England and the UK, like London Marathon
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  be well up there, but anything outside of that?
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  Well, I'd love to do the majors and I feel like as a 25 year old
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  bloke, the, the biggest barrier to me competing the majors is
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  finances. Like how, how do you finance
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  flying to America, Australia? And now like they're going to
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  add say like Shanghai and, and Cape Town, for example.
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  That's for me. Like being able to complete all
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  those would be epic. But it also seems quite
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  difficult. Like I can, I can run a marathon
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  like it's, it's like it's comfortable distance, but but
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  the actual biggest barrier to me completing the race I want to do
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  is the finances. I'd say any of the world majors,
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  especially Boston, obviously being the grandfather of the
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  marathons. I mean, so I'd say that really.
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  And with like you'd be in, would you get into most elite starts?
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  Because I know like 216, like you're really, really up there,
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  but would you get that elite start?
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  I don't know. I mean, for example, this year
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  at London, I didn't qualify. I was 52 seconds off, 53 seconds
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  off because it's all 216. And I don't know what it would
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  be for the, the overseas ones because I haven't even looked
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  because if I can't afford the flights, there's there's no
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  point looking at the, the entry standards.
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  But yeah, I, I think so. I think some people have said
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  something like Tokyo, I could get in, and Sydney, but I don't
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  know about like, say Boston stuff because I think they're
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  quite American dominant. But I don't know, yeah.
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  Yeah, you've you've plenty of time, so I won't be worried
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  about that too much yet. Emma, what is your favorite
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  place to train? Now?
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  I know being from Ireland, we love the weather over here in
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  the UK and Ireland like it's been really, really nice lately.
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  But if you had to pick anywhere else, where would you pick if?
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  I could go and just do, yeah, I don't know, like a training
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  camp. I'd probably pick say like Alba
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  Farah, Portugal. I've been there a couple of
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  times, but every time I've been there I haven't really been fit.
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  And that's guess I've been like a bit of a bugbear.
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  So I'd love to be there when I'm fit, like training for a
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  marathon because it's just really cool.
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  You've got like the you've got the track, you've got like the
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  old Europe, European cross country course that they use
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  there from, from like the Lisbon.
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  Not it's been, sorry, Albuquerque cross country like a
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  few years ago. And you've got like these really
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  nice like loops and long kind of tarmac paths.
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  So yeah, it's like perfect place to train generally good weather,
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  good food. You're right by like orange
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  Groves. So you can always smell like
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  oranges when you're running, which is just really nice.
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  And not that I'm admitting to this, but someone, if they
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  wanted to, could maybe nab an orange off the tree as they ran
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  poster. I was actually, I was in
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  Valencia there in January doing the 10K and there's loads of
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  orange trees and me being, I don't know, I took one, but they
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  were really, really sweet. Like I actually couldn't eat it.
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  I've got a massive sweet tooth, so for me that's like like,
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  perfect. I think Adam Fogg is actually
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  over an Alba fair at the moment. He's after doing like a little
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  camp. Yeah, it's a really, really
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  popular place, especially this sort of kind of like Easter time
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  of the year. Like whenever I have been, it's
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  been ramo. There's been loads of like
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  Scandinavians, loads of Irish. This is absolutely ramo full of
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  runners. Like you can go for a long run
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  and there'll be 60 plus people, like all going at like 6 to 7
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  minute mile in like, yeah, it's like a really good place to
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  train, especially this time of year.
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  That's nice. In your opinion, what is the
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  hardest distance to race between the 1500 to the marathon?
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  Like what is like in Europe, the hardest one?
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  Because I know like people say running longer is harder and
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  other people say running faster is harder.
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  So in your opinion, what is it? Oh, I don't know.
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  I think the way I look at that in my head is like try and
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  calculate like what percentage of the race is really hard.
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  So you've got like the marathon was the last 10 case, you're
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  looking at like 25% of it, whereas like the 5K, like I
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  thought that gets painful from probably like 2K.
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  So you're looking at like a good 60% of that.
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  And then for, for me, like something like the 1500, it's
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  the exact same like I'm hurting from lap 1.
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  So you're looking at like 75% at the rate.
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  So I'd say anywhere between 1500 and and 5K.
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  But yeah, probably 5K because I'd do them more, more
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  frequently. I just, I hate them.
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  I'd rather do a marathon than a 5K.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I've never done the right
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  to myself, but I don't, I'm my very first 1500 in in February
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  just there and I feel it goes so fast like it's you're, it's
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  certainly over in less than 4 minutes, hopefully.
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  So yeah, I think it's a shorter one.
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  I think some of the short ones are just so painful.
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  Yeah, it's just, they hurt so early and it's like you don't
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  give yourself a chance to prepare for it.
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  Or is like in the marathon, you, you spend 30K thinking about how
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  you're going to then hurt towards the end.
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  So you're almost like prime yourself ready for it.
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  And also it's a different kind of pain because like if you're
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  if you're doing a marathon, you just slow down.
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  Like no one's really going to pay too much attention if you're
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  on a track and let's say like championship race and you just
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  pull your foot off the gas. Like everyone is saying that
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  it's going to be on YouTube. It's just embarrassing.
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  So you have to push through the pain.
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  There's no, there's no choice. Yeah, you're just swimming and
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  lactic out the back. And what's your go to coffee
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  order? Oh I see.
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  It depends who I'm with. If I'm with a coffee snob, I'll
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  probably just get some, like a flat white.
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  If I'm not with a coffee snob, I'll probably get like a
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  cappuccino with caramel syrup. Like a caramel cappuccino.
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  That's mine and mine and my girlfriends, like, go to coffee
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  order. It's like sweet, but like, nice
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  amount of coffee. Yeah, probably that to be fair.
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  And if you could pick a pastry, what's your Would you have a
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  pastry with it? Oh I see.
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  So there's this place where I'm from in near Whitstable, and
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  they used to do this apricot Danish, this like pastry of
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  apricot jamming, and it was absolutely delicious and they
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  stopped doing it. And I just can't find like
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  anything like that anywhere near where I live now.
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  So yeah, an apricot Danish would be the go to, but I just can't
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  find like a good one. Random so if any listeners know
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  we're looking for a nice apricot, Danish isn't there
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  where call lives it's. A bit rude, but yeah, it's kind
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  of. I've never had.
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  I'd be more of an almond cross on type of guy.
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  I had actually my first almond cross on on the in an airport
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  two years ago before I went to Australia.
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  And since then I've probably made-up for all the time I
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  didn't eat them. I just, yeah, I love and I'm a
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  croissant. Just never been a massive
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  croissant guy. I don't know.
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  I think it's like just the fact it goes everywhere when you take
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  a bite. It's just it's a bit like a
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  Nature Valley bar. You just have it goes on your
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  lap and then I mean, you eat the other half.
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  Yeah, I get it. Right.
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  Well, we'll pull it back a little bit.
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  So younger Cole, growing up, were you always into running or
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  that comes sort of later on in life?
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  So I'm going to run in through Park Run like a lot of people.
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  So I've got a massive, I guess a lot lot to thank park Run for.
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  I did like the odd like school cross country race at primary
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  school where it's like, I don't know, they just basically picked
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  some of the more athletic kids and just said, oh, we've got a
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  school cross country. Can you come do it?
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  And I don't know, you just absolutely like batter yourself
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  around. It'd only be like two or three
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  kilometers because you're of your, your kids, right?
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  But at the time it felt like ages and it'd be, I don't know,
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  like on 23rd or I'd come 40th or 50th or 10 years, So not very
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  high up. And then when I got to year 6, I
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  then made this like school relay team for the cross country.
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  And the other two kids on this three person relay were really,
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  really good cross country runners.
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  And I was the third team member and I was I was not very good at
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  all. So I actually started to train
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  because I didn't want to be the one that let the team down.
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  And then the first rates that we did together, we won it.
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  So that kind of lit a spark. I was like, oh, actually like,
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  maybe I'm all right at this, you know.
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  So then I used to go out training in like the backfields
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  out the back of my house with with my dad.
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  We didn't know like any distances or anything.
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  It would just be like, run a lap as hard as you can, then have a
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  little break right now, do another lap as hard as you can,
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  that sort of thing. And then, yeah, we were, me and
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  my family were doing Borum and Latin dancing lessons.
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  That was my mum's thing. She absolutely loved dancing.
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  So we just kind of had to go because we were kids, I suppose.
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  And then this one time we were driving along the sea front all
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  the way back on a Saturday morning and I was like, oh,
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  what's this like group of people?
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  I really want to do whatever they're doing.
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  Like, they're all running. I look like they're having a
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  great time. Some more than more than others.
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  I turned out to be park runs. Then I've got my, my parents got
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  their friends take me to the park run and then kind of never
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  look back from there. Then when I turned on here, I
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  was like 14, I joined the club and then, yeah, you kind of
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  don't know. Then you suddenly become more
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  passionate about it. Suddenly you don't park on every
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  weekend. You're doing your junior park
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  run on the Sunday as well, doing your club session on a Tuesday.
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  And yeah, just kind of snowballed from there really.
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  So yeah, from, yeah, early teens, I would say I was really
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  passionate into it, but I wasn't doing it as a kid.
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  There was no like projecting A Brits and nothing like that.
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  Yeah, I feel like that's what I love about running.
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  Like you don't have to be the most talented.
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  Like hard work can take you so far in this sport.
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  And then at the end of the day, like genetics can like kick you
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  on to that next level. But just putting in the work,
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  being very committed can like really go really, really far in
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  the sport. Yeah, definitely, yeah, for
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  sure. And I think also the people that
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  do it like at a young age as well, I feel like even if they
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  then take a break and then come into it as an adult, I feel like
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  if you've ran whilst you were young, I feel like it does give
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  you that little leg up, you know?
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  So yeah, it's my benefit. Yeah, I always, I would have
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  always done running as a kid. And then over here in Ireland,
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  we've Gaelic football. So that sort of took like center
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  stage in my life for the middle years.
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  And then I'm have to come back to running now.
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  So I feel like I had a little sabbatical in the middle where I
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  didn't really do it. But now, yeah, you sort of get
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  hungry again for. And even growing up, we used to
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  dread going to the cross country races like like, no, ma'am, why
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  do I have to do this? But now I know your sort of
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  perspective is like switched and like you're like excited and all
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  for the running. It's weird.
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  Did you have any like idols growing up running idols?
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  Yes, I mean, you probably have this answer loads of times, but
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  Mo Farah was the was the one, you know, like at London
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  Olympics. It's like MO Farah's got the
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  double, that sort of thing, like 1/2 for the Salazar group.
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  But that sort of like commentary just sticks in my head because
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  I've watched that so many times, like growing up and continues to
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  be a massive idol city. I know there's like question
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  marks over over Mo Farah, which is which is sad because I would,
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  I would like to hope that, but you never know.
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  But a conversation for another day.
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  But yeah, so Mo Farah and Mill Caress as I've got a bit older
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  and then also Ben Connor, who I who was coaching me for a short
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  period. They're all people that I really
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  looked up to. And then now as I'm like, I'm a
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  bit more, I guess a bit more older and but been in the sport
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  a little bit longer. People like Phil Sesson and
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  Alex. Yeah.
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  You know, like the ones that are actually absolutely smashing it
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  and like in current times, yeah, absolutely love those, those
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  sorts of athletes. Like just like naming them
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  runners there now, like the level of distance running in the
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  UK is just, I feel like recently it's just gone to another level.
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  Yeah, it's crazy. So I, I know obviously we're
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  probably touching this, but last year after I ran London and I
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  ran like really, really well, a load of people were like, oh,
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  like, do you think you could become like a pro or do you
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  think you could, I don't know, represent the Olympics?
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  And initially when I first got asked that, I was like, oh, I
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  ran 216. So yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe
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  it's possible. And then like even in just a
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  year since like now you've got Alex E206 full assessment 207.
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  Now I'm going, yeah, it's probably not likely, but that's
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  OK. Got Paddy de virtual Paddy
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  Deaver in there as well. There's so many.
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  Exactly like the the US landslide with their 60 minute
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  halves. 50 or 59 for Paddy Deaver.
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  Yeah, like, so I was just crazy. Yeah.
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  So that was your sort of early days then uni.
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  So you have you're an osteopath, correct?
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  Yeah, I'm an osteopath, so I went and studied to.
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  So osteopathy is different in terms of it's just it's his own
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  degree, but it's at its own university.
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  So you won't go to say Loughborough and do osteopathy.
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  You you would go to these like specific uni.
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  So it's like quite a closed kind of group.
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  It's really small years. There was 60 people in my year
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  at uni and not a single one of them ran.
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  So I was like the only person. There's no like box element or
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  anything like that. So yeah, started there, got
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  injured, focused on my studies, and then kind of managed to
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  focus a bit more on running when I came out the other side of it.
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  Because it's a, it's a four year course.
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  Yeah, some of the hardest years of my life was was the studying
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  for sure. I'm not very good at that sort
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  of thing. And actually that's I feel like
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  that's when I came across you. I think you done the night of
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  the 10,000 meter PBS, but you were sort of you document every
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  like This is why I'm a big fan of YouTube.
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  You're so, so open on it and you were running really, really
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  well. And then I think was getting to
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  the nitty gritty end of your degree and you sort of run and
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  took the backseat basically. And then again, like your
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  YouTube documents, I remember like your first run back and
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  umm, you did like, I don't know, you just, you weren't in shape,
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  but you document everything and you can just see how you've
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  changed like from graduating to like running the 216 in London,
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  umm. Yeah, yeah.
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  I mean, so in the January of my last year at uni, I ended up
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  picking a bit of I can, well, I've got an injury basically,
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  and I wasn't sure what it was and I was being a uni student.
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  I couldn't afford to get a private MRI scan done and the
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  NHS waiting time was too long. I was pretty sure it was a
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  stress fracture, but I wasn't sure.
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  I hadn't had one before. I didn't really know the kind of
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  the signs and symptoms. And this is kind of pretty
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  ChatGPT days as so I just, I basically treated it like a
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  stress fracture. I was like, look, I've got my
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  final exams coming up, let's just have 16 weeks off like, or
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  how much harm can that do realistically?
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  Yes, I'm going to be unfit the other side and yes, it will feel
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  like starting again. But it means I haven't got to
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  like spin loads of plates of exams and running and stuff.
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  And I think sometimes it's just those sorts of times have made
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  me like so, so much more calm in this scenario I'm in now where
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  I've got like an injury where I can't run again because I know
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  how like you can get back. It's not, it's not the end of
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  the day at the end of the world. And like, I think that's where
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  it catches a lot of people, like you're out of life stress, how
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  much impact that has on your running.
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  Like you just don't absorb the training as much.
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  Like how much did the UNI like affect you like you're running?
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  Or massively because so like when I was living in my kind of
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  my uni digs, I'd I'd have to get up before uni at like 5:00 to
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  do, I don't know, 10 miles before uni.
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  And then I would go and spend like all day at uni, not really
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  enjoy it. Then have to be studying for
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  exams and not really enjoy that. And then you haven't got too
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  many people in your years. So it's not like that.
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  You can socialize with people, but also it's the sort of, so my
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  uni year was, it's a European school, so you had loads of
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  students from overseas and typically the English ones were
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  the ones that weren't very hard working and the European
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  students were the ones that were hard working.
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  So there wasn't very many people to like, I don't know, bugger
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  around with because they were also studious and they didn't
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  really want to like deviate from their studies too much.
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  So yeah, it does, it does feel like quite lonely, that sort of
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  environment. So running was my escape, but
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  then also like, running in the dark at 5:00 AM was not not that
• 18:56
  funny either. So, yeah, it was just finding
• 18:59
  that balance. But yeah, it's, I guess like
• 19:03
  loads of new students are doing it now.
• 19:05
  But I wish I'd been in a bit more of like a box environment.
• 19:08
  Other runners, big training groups, coaches, you know, I
• 19:11
  would have been so much better. Yeah, I get you.
• 19:14
  I get you and come here and osteopath, how does that
• 19:18
  difference to like a chiropractor or a physio just
• 19:22
  for the people out there? So this is probably the question
• 19:24
  I get asked the most in my, in my job.
• 19:27
  Like people come and see me. They're like, OK, I think you
• 19:29
  can help me with my injury, but I don't actually know what you
• 19:31
  are. So you've got, from my, my
• 19:34
  experience, you've got a physio, which is a little bit more rehab
• 19:36
  plan basis. Like here's some exercises.
• 19:38
  Go and do these. They will do some on hands
• 19:40
  treatment, but it's predominantly outside the
• 19:42
  treatment room. You've got a chiropractor, which
• 19:44
  is a little bit more spine focused, but they do do other
• 19:48
  areas of the body, but it's a lot more manipulations, you
• 19:50
  know, like the, the clicking, the cracking, That's pretty much
• 19:52
  all they do. And then you've got an
• 19:54
  osteopath, which in my obviously bias opinion is like a better
• 19:58
  combination of all of them. So we do on hand treatment, we
• 20:01
  might do a little bit of massage, we might do some joint
• 20:04
  mobilization, some manipulations and you know, muscle energy
• 20:08
  techniques where we like stretching muscles.
• 20:10
  We basically look at patients as a as a whole person, as a, as a
• 20:13
  unit is kind of like the fundamental of osteopathy, like
• 20:16
  the one rule or like the main principle of osteopathy is that
• 20:19
  the body is a unit. So you're looking at the body.
• 20:22
  As a whole, so like, how does their work stress, how does
• 20:24
  their diet, how does their sleep like impact the injury that
• 20:28
  they've got, you know? And so yeah, it's kind of like
• 20:31
  the best of everything in my opinion.
• 20:33
  And then you've got like osteopaths that will then
• 20:36
  specialize in different things. So my girlfriend, for example,
• 20:39
  she's a little bit more Women's Health and pediatric focused,
• 20:42
  whereas I'm a little bit more like sports injury focused
• 20:44
  because it's like that's my my passion, I suppose.
• 20:49
  No, no, because like, yeah, you hear so much of people.
• 20:52
  I'm going to a chiropractor and I'm like, or I'm going to physio
• 20:55
  and like they're, they're sort of like all jumbled into one.
• 20:58
  But no, no, you've, you've cleared that up for me anyway,
• 21:01
  hopefully for everyone else as well.
• 21:05
  And your YouTube is a, is a massive, massive part of you as
• 21:11
  a person. Like you've been documenting, I
• 21:14
  think for is it four years now? Yeah, I think so, yeah.
• 21:16
  But about that, yeah. Over 300 videos like you are so
• 21:22
  so open and honest. Did this just like happen
• 21:26
  naturally or like what made you want to start the YouTube?
• 21:30
  I don't know if there was one specific reason, but I think
• 21:33
  there was definitely some sort of desire of, I don't know,
• 21:36
  having some sort of, I don't, I don't know if affection is the
• 21:40
  right word, but having like some more like relationships and, and
• 21:43
  friendships develop or just like the desire to be like admired a
• 21:47
  little bit because that's like I got bullied quite a bit at
• 21:50
  school. Like I had friends, but I didn't
• 21:53
  have like the most massive friendship group, if that makes
• 21:56
  sense. And then you'd like, I don't
• 21:58
  know, I'd go down to my club and I'd still feel like a little bit
• 22:00
  of an outsider. Whereas like the YouTube allowed
• 22:03
  me to make my own environment, if that makes sense.
• 22:05
  And like people that would then tune into the videos. 99% of the
• 22:08
  time there are people that want to be there.
• 22:10
  They want to be your friend. They want to watch the video.
• 22:13
  Obviously you've got the, the, the 1% that that down with us.
• 22:16
  You know, it helps with engagement, I suppose.
• 22:20
  But yeah, I think it's probably, probably that really.
• 22:23
  I just, I guess I wanted to be, you know, when you're at school
• 22:25
  and you like, you think like, oh, like I wish I was that kid
• 22:28
  because like, they're like people think they're cool or
• 22:30
  people think they're, they're like friendly or funny or
• 22:32
  whatever. It's that sort of thing.
• 22:34
  Like I wanted, I don't know, wanted that sort of connection
• 22:37
  with people, I suppose. Yeah.
• 22:40
  And I really feel like you can feel that from your videos.
• 22:44
  If you get me, like it's really raw, authentic.
• 22:47
  Like I love that we can follow you along.
• 22:51
  Like we're sort of we're a supporter if you get me.
• 22:54
  Like you don't know what half these sort of people are doing,
• 22:57
  but we know what you're doing, like what you're going through.
• 22:59
  Like I was loving the bill to London.
• 23:01
  It was so, so guys, so sad to see, to hear the news that when
• 23:04
  you got the injury. But yeah, it's just it's raw,
• 23:09
  authentic. You share the highs, the lows,
• 23:14
  like has it. Do you feel it's affected you
• 23:17
  sort of off the camera as well? Like is it hard to like?
• 23:21
  Do you feel like you have to post?
• 23:23
  Oh yeah, there's definitely an element of that.
• 23:27
  You don't want to go too long because I don't know.
• 23:28
  Then even the the way that I look at YouTube, you've got kind
• 23:32
  of you've got internal views, you've got external views,
• 23:34
  you've got people that don't watch your channel.
• 23:35
  They come to your channel as I like a shoe review.
• 23:38
  They're not watching for you. They're watching for the, the
• 23:40
  content of the and then you've got the more internal viewers,
• 23:43
  the people that are kind of following the journey a bit like
• 23:45
  what you said, they're kind of like almost like an adopted
• 23:47
  uncle auntie, you know, they're kind of like cheering me on type
• 23:50
  of thing. And if you leave videos too far
• 23:52
  apart, then people would disconnect from the story a
• 23:54
  little bit is what I found. So just keeping them kind of up
• 23:58
  to date, a bit of like a like just checking in type type video
• 24:01
  where you're just giving a little update.
• 24:04
  I think they're really important.
• 24:05
  But also YouTube has become part of my income as well.
• 24:08
  So there is a little bit of just in the back of my head like, oh,
• 24:14
  I need to make sure that I keep up with it because the way that
• 24:16
  YouTube works is you don't really see like the money from
• 24:18
  it for like another month to two months.
• 24:20
  So like if I stop now, I won't really feel the impact until
• 24:23
  another month or two months down the line.
• 24:25
  And I'll be like, oh, crap, I should have just carried on
• 24:27
  making some videos, but obviously not sacrificing the
• 24:30
  quality. But yeah, there's a few things
• 24:32
  that go into to like making sure that I stick on it, like a
• 24:35
  little bit of financial component, but also just making
• 24:38
  sure that like, I don't know, the people that have invested in
• 24:41
  my journey get like a bit of a reward.
• 24:42
  Like they want to be kept up to date, you know?
• 24:45
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you feel like it adds
• 24:48
  pressure to the races when, let's say for that build up to
• 24:52
  London, you're doing like the series.
• 24:54
  Do you feel like that adds pressure on you to perform or?
• 24:59
  I think that's one thing that I've never already felt as much.
• 25:02
  It was more OK, yeah, no, I'd say so with them with the
• 25:07
  marathons, I'd say definitely because there is this like I ran
• 25:10
  216 and it's like everyone is defined by their number.
• 25:13
  They're like, I don't know. They'll be like, oh, hi, I'm
• 25:15
  XYZ. I'm a 2XX marathon runner.
• 25:19
  And that's like how a lot of people will start their videos
• 25:22
  with the other distances. I'm not worried because I'm
• 25:24
  pretty, I was pretty happy with like all of the PBS I've had up
• 25:26
  until that point and like chucking and 10K rates in
• 25:30
  February. I knew I wasn't enough smashed
• 25:31
  by PB. It was really good to check in.
• 25:33
  I'm not worried about what the time is in the clock to an
• 25:35
  extent. If it was like a lot lower than
• 25:37
  what I expected from myself, then then that would be that
• 25:40
  would be negative. But with the marathon, I think
• 25:43
  sort of for example, Valencia around 242 had a dreadful day.
• 25:47
  Like crumbled really, really hard.
• 25:50
  That is definitely one where I was like, I felt the pressure on
• 25:53
  the day of, like doing something reasonable, and then ended up
• 25:57
  running worse because I'd tried to earn some sort of, I don't
• 26:02
  know, congratulations on YouTube from running a better time, if
• 26:06
  that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, John like for
• 26:11
  but I feel like Ben felt and he's been very open recently
• 26:13
  with his like sub 65 attempt and I can just I can't imagine like
• 26:18
  the pressure, even though like he probably puts himself under a
• 26:20
  fair bit of pressure as well. But like from documenting it,
• 26:24
  like pulling out a Rotterdam and just being so vocal that I'm
• 26:29
  going to break 65 like it's it's it's very, very brave.
• 26:33
  But some people sink or swim and you swim.
• 26:37
  Think. I think if I was a massive kudos
• 26:40
  to Ben if I was in the same boat where I thought I don't want to
• 26:43
  do London math and purely from a fitness point of view, in terms
• 26:47
  of I don't think it's right for me when you're setting PBS
• 26:50
  across other distances, I don't know if I'd have the ball to do
• 26:52
  that. So a massive, massive fair play
• 26:55
  to him. I really respected his decision
• 26:57
  doing that. We'll see if you've got an
• 26:58
  injury or something that's completely different, people
• 27:00
  expect you to pull out. But yeah.
• 27:05
  How do you find balancing at all Like the YouTube your job
• 27:10
  running like what does like I don't know how you'd even dream.
• 27:13
  Like me personally, I work in nine to five and I run like, I
• 27:17
  don't know how you even have the time to like fit in the YouTube
• 27:20
  around it because editing these videos, it does take a while.
• 27:25
  It does. It does take a lot of time, but
• 27:27
  I'm very fortunate in that I can be flexible with my days as an
• 27:32
  osteopath. So for example, I take you for
• 27:33
  like a Monday. I will leave, leave home at like
• 27:37
  6:00 to 7:00 in the morning. I'll get to work about 9:00
• 27:41
  because it's about two hour commute.
• 27:45
  I'll see some patients till about 10-11.
• 27:47
  Then I'll do my first run till 12 one, then see some more
• 27:52
  patients until about 4:00 or 5:00 in the afternoon.
• 27:54
  Do another run till about 6:00 and then see some more patients
• 27:57
  till 8:00 and then drive home and then get home at about 10 so
• 28:00
  I can fit it all in. It's not like someone who works,
• 28:03
  I don't know, like 9 to 5 and they're stuck 9:00 to 5:00 and I
• 28:06
  can't leave the office, they can't go to the gym.
• 28:10
  Like I can be flexible and keep one eye on when I'm booking
• 28:13
  patients in for their follow up appointments and be like, oh,
• 28:16
  actually I need to leave a 2 hour gap there because I need to
• 28:18
  be able to run and shower in that time.
• 28:21
  But yeah, it's simply time consuming.
• 28:23
  Like I'm not going to pretend like it's much of A social life
• 28:26
  because I won't. But yeah, it's, I'm unfortunate
• 28:31
  with my career. I think if I, if I, if I was in
• 28:33
  your position with a nine to five, I don't think I could spin
• 28:36
  all the plates that I'm spinning right now.
• 28:37
  So, so fair play to you. Especially when you are trying
• 28:42
  to run like 250K240K in a week. Like when you take a step back,
• 28:49
  do you like the job, all the running?
• 28:53
  Like what do you feel was the main component of your current
• 29:00
  injury now? So for people that don't know,
• 29:03
  actually do you want to say what injury you have, what has?
• 29:06
  Yeah. So I've developed a grade one
• 29:09
  stress response in my femur, which is essentially to be re
• 29:13
  reductive is my bone is swollen. So it's not fractured, it's
• 29:16
  swollen and they've kind of named it thigh splints, which is
• 29:19
  essentially my doctors. So the muscles on the inside of
• 29:22
  my thigh are pulling a little bit too much on the bones.
• 29:24
  The outer layer of the bone has become a bit upset and go
• 29:28
  inflamed. So, so whenever I do any kind of
• 29:30
  weight bearing exercise, it's becoming a little bit
• 29:32
  uncomfortable to run. So walking is a little bit
• 29:35
  uncomfortable. Still running is a little bit
• 29:36
  uncomfortable. But in terms of what I think
• 29:39
  kind of maybe was the biggest cause or like contribution
• 29:42
  factor to that is so the way that the injuries developed and
• 29:47
  as I was saying with my doctors is because of the over pulling
• 29:51
  of the of the muscle on the bone.
• 29:53
  So putting on an outer layer, it's not because of the
• 29:55
  compressive force. It was overtraining, but not in
• 29:58
  kind of your classic sense of your bones can't heal in time.
• 30:01
  It was more my muscle wasn't strong enough to handle the load
• 30:05
  on its own. So it was pulling too much on on
• 30:07
  the bone. Something as simple as having a
• 30:10
  deload week in the middle of the block could have potentially
• 30:13
  prevented this from happening, which is really, really, really
• 30:16
  sad. But yeah, it wasn't anything
• 30:19
  like under fuelling because I was eating 5 to 6000 calories a
• 30:22
  day, you know? Yeah.
• 30:27
  And you have been seeing a nutritionist.
• 30:31
  So what? How did seeing the nutritionist
• 30:34
  change? Like what did you alter to?
• 30:37
  Because I know before you were very open about like eating and
• 30:40
  not eating enough and all this. So how did seeing the
• 30:43
  nutritionist change your outlook on food?
• 30:45
  Because I myself, I've struggle with the food thing because I'd
• 30:48
  be a heavier, heavier runner compared to like other boys
• 30:51
  you're lining up against. How has the food changed for
• 30:54
  you? Yes, it's a constant battle,
• 30:57
  isn't it? Like comparing yourself to
• 30:58
  others and like you steal these other people on the start line.
• 31:01
  Not now I'm I'm twice the size of them.
• 31:05
  And it's, it's, it's silly comments.
• 31:07
  Like when I was younger, I used to see it like I'd be on the
• 31:09
  start line of a cross country race and someone would be like,
• 31:11
  oh, like he's a bit he's a bit bigger than the others and that
• 31:14
  kind of sticks with you. But in terms of like the
• 31:17
  nutritionist, so the first thing I did in my nutritionist is we
• 31:20
  did a food diary. So it'd be like, OK, what's your
• 31:22
  training? And then what are you eating
• 31:23
  outside that training? So it initially kind of
• 31:25
  highlight, OK, that's not enough or you need more here or you're
• 31:30
  eating a lot of this. So I didn't realize at the time
• 31:32
  when I started with my nutritionist, I was eating a lot
• 31:35
  of convenience food. So I would stop on the way to
• 31:37
  work and get say, like an M&S meal deal.
• 31:40
  And in my head I was thinking, oh, there's more suspensors like
• 31:43
  that, must be good quality. I'm paying.
• 31:45
  I don't know, £10 for my, for my lunch.
• 31:47
  It must be all right. I'm having a like a punnett of
• 31:49
  fruit or whatever. And he's going well enough for
• 31:53
  starters. He needs to cut those out
• 31:55
  because the amount of stabilizers and things in those
• 31:58
  and you're having them every single day.
• 31:59
  And then you're and then you're wondering why you're getting gut
• 32:01
  problems on your runs. So that was a big thing, just
• 32:03
  cutting out foods that aren't easily digestible or aren't good
• 32:08
  for your gut. So just working on a bit more of
• 32:10
  a whole food diet and then also kind of periodizing my nutrition
• 32:14
  around the different days of the week.
• 32:16
  So Tuesdays, Fridays and Sundays were the harder days.
• 32:19
  So they were the days where I would almost do like a mini carb
• 32:22
  load the night before ready for that day and then be really
• 32:25
  smashing the carbs during the day.
• 32:28
  So I drink mixes during the runs or gels during the runs and then
• 32:32
  really kind of making those session days really carb focus.
• 32:35
  So I always thought that'd be like, do a session, come home,
• 32:39
  have chicken, rice and veg in between the sessions.
• 32:43
  But actually the best thing for me ended up being I'd come home
• 32:46
  from the session and just have say like rice and honey,
• 32:50
  basically focus on carbs. And then after the second run of
• 32:53
  the day, that's when you smash the protein and veg, if that
• 32:55
  makes sense. So you want to try and keep it
• 32:57
  as like clean carbs as possible in between the double run days.
• 33:00
  But then also, I guess like to kind of summarize because I, I
• 33:04
  go off tangents all the time, is he just basically gave me like
• 33:08
  macro numbers. He's going to look for the
• 33:09
  amount of exercise you're doing, you need XYZ, you need 8 to 10
• 33:13
  grams of carbohydrates per day, like especially on those more
• 33:18
  intense days. And then you can be protein
• 33:20
  numbers, fat numbers, because fat is a really underrated thing
• 33:23
  as well. Like people don't get enough fat
• 33:25
  in or at least the healthy fats. So yeah, they were the main
• 33:29
  things, just address the flaws. And then my gut problems went
• 33:33
  away. So yeah, magic.
• 33:36
  And with the group, did you actually find out what the gut
• 33:40
  problems were because pull up when and what period of your
• 33:44
  running was that that was after London and you're building up
• 33:48
  for was it Berlin or something like that?
• 33:51
  Yeah, so I was building up for Berlin and I would basically
• 33:55
  every single run without fail, I would need to stop for at least
• 33:58
  one or two shits basically, which is, you know, it's like
• 34:02
  it's quite common to know like every now and again, have a long
• 34:05
  run where you need to stop, stop and use the loo.
• 34:07
  Like that's not not an uncommon thing, but every single run.
• 34:10
  So then I'd be stressing about it.
• 34:12
  Like I'd have a marathon session.
• 34:14
  It's like I've got a 4 by 5 Kayla, where are the public
• 34:17
  toilets? Because I'm going to need to
• 34:18
  stop. And that's like, that wasn't
• 34:20
  something that I'd ever thought would come into my brain when it
• 34:22
  comes to these sorts of sessions.
• 34:25
  So yeah. And then I did Berlin, had the
• 34:28
  exact same thing. I did the big half.
• 34:30
  That was the race that affected the most.
• 34:32
  I don't know if you, if you saw the video.
• 34:34
  I did the the big half in September and I was moving well,
• 34:39
  probably on for a 6566 half marathon.
• 34:42
  But I had to stop twice to use the low otherwise like it was
• 34:45
  going to be very embarrassing. So I ended up running about 73 I
• 34:50
  think. And then yeah, carried on.
• 34:52
  I had the same problems up to Valencia and then everything
• 34:55
  started to click again afterwards once I kind of
• 34:57
  started working with the nutritionist.
• 35:01
  And I can only imagine how frustrating that would be
• 35:04
  because like mechanically, like you're running well, like it's
• 35:08
  perfect. It's no, you've no issues
• 35:10
  running wise. It was like your belly just
• 35:13
  couldn't hack the stress you're putting under.
• 35:17
  Yeah, and I'll say like you do change your running style when
• 35:19
  you need, when you need to pass stalls basically like it is, it
• 35:23
  is an uncomfortable thing. You you look like you're wearing
• 35:25
  a nappy, like it's it isn't comfortable to run.
• 35:27
  It's not like you can just kind of put it to the back of your
• 35:29
  brain. Like it's, it's such a feeling
• 35:31
  that does take over your whole your whole mentality.
• 35:34
  It's it's kind of weird. No.
• 35:38
  Cool. So yeah, London 20/20/25 this
• 35:44
  was arguably you're out of all your PBS, your 216, it's
• 35:49
  probably the one you're most proud of, correct?
• 35:52
  Yeah, yeah. I think if he'd asked me that, I
• 35:55
  don't know, eight months ago, I probably said differently.
• 35:58
  But I think since I've had bad marathons, I've realized
• 36:01
  actually how much it takes for a marathon to go well.
• 36:04
  And now actually, yeah, that 216 becomes better and better every
• 36:07
  day, basically. And how did London come about?
• 36:12
  Because I feel like watching you is sort of out of the blue.
• 36:15
  You were sort of like the five K 10K, you dabble in 1/2 marathon.
• 36:20
  And then like, how did London come about or where did the idea
• 36:25
  of a marathon come about? Because I know personally for
• 36:27
  me, like I, I don't have any thought of doing a marathon at
• 36:29
  the moment. I'm just totally focused 5K10K
• 36:32
  trying to get faster at that. Where did the marathon sort of
• 36:35
  seep into your head? So I'd been going to watch my
• 36:38
  dad do it for a few years prior to that and he would run his PV
• 36:42
  3/17. So I'd go with him to like
• 36:44
  Manchester or go with him to London because that was back
• 36:48
  when London was also in October. So he was able to do like London
• 36:51
  in October and then it got changed to April.
• 36:53
  So it ended the April 1. So I really wanted to do it
• 36:57
  based off watching, watching my dad do it and just seeing like
• 37:00
  how hard it was. And he would just like, you
• 37:01
  know, grit it out. And that was like quite
• 37:03
  inspiring. And I was meant to do it in
• 37:04
  2024. And that's when I was, that's
• 37:07
  when I had the injury in my final year of studies.
• 37:10
  So I did delayed my, my entry for 2025, didn't know if I'd be
• 37:15
  fit in time. And then yeah, nine months
• 37:17
  later, I was then if it's ever been smashed on the marathon.
• 37:22
  But yeah, just I've always watched them like the majors.
• 37:25
  I'll get up in the middle of the night.
• 37:26
  So watch the watch the major like coverage.
• 37:29
  I just love it. IE breathe and sleep marathon
• 37:32
  running on on YouTube. And I remember you came out with
• 37:36
  the video and you're like, OK, break 2:20.
• 37:39
  And you're even a bit hesitant about saying the 220 because
• 37:43
  like breaking 220 and the marathon is such a massive,
• 37:45
  massive thing. And you're a bit hesitant.
• 37:48
  And then as the videos were going along, you could see
• 37:52
  you're like, wait a minute, I could be on for faster here.
• 37:54
  And so then, but I you never would have thought like a 216
• 38:00
  was going to happened or occur, but what was your plan going
• 38:05
  into London like you didn't or did you plan to run to 2:16?
• 38:10
  So I definitely didn't plan to run 216, but at the time I was
• 38:13
  being kind of not coached, but definitely mentored by Ellis
• 38:17
  Cross, who obviously run 210 in Seville earlier this year.
• 38:19
  So top, top guy, like one of the nicest guys in the sport you'll
• 38:22
  ever meet. Not a bad button in that guy's
• 38:24
  body. But, and I said to him, I was
• 38:27
  like, boy, if I go out a little bit quicker, like what about 218
• 38:31
  pace? And he was like, whoa, chill
• 38:32
  out, chill out a SEC. Like you're changing the goal
• 38:36
  posts. Like that's one thing you
• 38:37
  shouldn't do is just don't, don't change the goal posts.
• 38:40
  Like really close. So still go out at 69 to 6930
• 38:45
  just ahead of like 220 pace and then basically see what happens
• 38:50
  from then. So we had a bit of a bit of an
• 38:51
  agreement that basically the 1st 10 Ki would be conservative, a
• 38:55
  marathon pace, 10 to 30 Ki would kind of really look into that,
• 38:59
  lock into that marathon pace. And then the last 10 to 12 Ki
• 39:02
  would really kind of then try and wind it up, which is exactly
• 39:05
  what I did. So ended up being a negative
• 39:07
  splitting by about a minute, minute, 10 seconds.
• 39:11
  But yeah, partially Alice's help just keep me dialed in because
• 39:14
  maybe if I had gone out at 216 pace, maybe I wouldn't have run
• 39:17
  to 16. I would have run to 22.
• 39:19
  But yeah. What?
• 39:22
  At what point of the race did you know?
• 39:24
  Like Jenny Mac? I'm on one here.
• 39:26
  Like when did it click? It's, it's so I had a really
• 39:31
  fortunate day on London Marathon because because of the weather
• 39:35
  and just the British field of, of London Marathon last year
• 39:39
  wasn't that stacked. Whereas this year is like
• 39:43
  absolutely like, like ridiculous.
• 39:45
  The amount of good runners running this year is crazy.
• 39:47
  I'm really, really gutted to to not be there.
• 39:49
  But I think when I got to about halfway and you start passing
• 39:54
  people that you recognize or you see their names on the back of
• 39:57
  their bib, because the elites have their name on the back as
• 39:59
  well as the front. So you you'd run past them and
• 40:02
  you've got, I recognize that person.
• 40:03
  Oh bloody hell. Oh, but either he's having a bad
• 40:06
  day or I'm having a great day and then suddenly pass someone
• 40:08
  else. And then there was friends that
• 40:11
  I knew that were like in really, really good shape.
• 40:13
  And then I've maybe passed them and I was like rough, like
• 40:16
  something's happening here and then.
• 40:19
  Yeah, I don't know. It just just held on for dear
• 40:21
  life. The hardest part was there's a
• 40:24
  tunnel near, near the finish. I'd say it's probably about 5K
• 40:27
  out from the finish and it's completely quiet.
• 40:30
  There's no spectators in there. That's quite difficult because
• 40:32
  you go from all this noise and then you go in there and it's
• 40:35
  like, I don't know, you've entered life.
• 40:37
  The matrix is so strange. And then that's when you, I
• 40:41
  don't know, then your, your thoughts become really loud and
• 40:44
  you're like, oh, wow, actually this really hurts.
• 40:46
  I want to stop now. So yeah, no, I don't know.
• 40:50
  It's such a crazy day and that I I'm not really one to watch my
• 40:53
  videos back, but that one I have watched back quite a few times
• 40:56
  because yeah, it does give me goosebumps.
• 40:59
  And then what did you go through halfway in what time?
• 41:03
  I went for in 69 dead 10900 and then I ran 10752 for the for the
• 41:08
  second-half. Yeah, that is a crazy fake off
• 41:11
  man. That is, yeah.
• 41:17
  It's probably. The best?
• 41:19
  It's tricky because everyone says the first half of London is
• 41:21
  like quicker because it's a bit downhill, but it doesn't make,
• 41:25
  it's not enough to make any difference.
• 41:27
  Like it's not a hilly marathon by any means.
• 41:31
  So yeah, I think if you just, if you're careful with your energy,
• 41:35
  then yeah, it's quite an easy course to never split on because
• 41:39
  then running down Embankment, we've got loads of, but loads of
• 41:42
  supporters either side, like cheering you on, you're running
• 41:45
  against the other runners for a certain period as well.
• 41:48
  Like that gives you a bit of a boost.
• 41:50
  And I don't know, that's that sort of stuff like really feeds
• 41:52
  into me and that's why I love British races.
• 41:54
  I would rather do a London than say I don't know, a Barcelona or
• 42:00
  something like that, you know? And come here when you cross the
• 42:04
  line like like what do you what even goes to your head like to
• 42:10
  1650, you're like that was beyond best case scenario,
• 42:13
  probably being real like like what goes through your mind.
• 42:18
  To be honest, I just let out this like raw, like I didn't
• 42:20
  know. I was like, so it felt, I don't
• 42:23
  know, I just didn't know what to do.
• 42:25
  I felt emotional. I felt angry, but I also felt,
• 42:28
  like, ecstatic. I don't know.
• 42:30
  I just felt like this just massive wave of emotion.
• 42:33
  That's why I kind of interrupted.
• 42:34
  Keep Joey's interview. I don't know if you've seen the
• 42:36
  clip where I just basically roar and, like, keep Joey's, like, I
• 42:39
  don't know, doing his usual press, like, practice stuff.
• 42:45
  Yeah. And then and then I just started
• 42:46
  sobbing like, straight after because I just so emotionally
• 42:50
  drained. Like, the block had been
• 42:52
  difficult. Yeah.
• 42:55
  Just didn't expect it, Yeah. No, it was incredible.
• 42:59
  And come here. How long did it take you to
• 43:01
  recover from that? Like were you in bits the next
• 43:04
  day or like were you expecting to feel like you did?
• 43:08
  Like I know when you sort of have like a good experience in a
• 43:11
  race, sometimes the recovery is shorter, like it doesn't beat
• 43:14
  you up as much, but like, how did you pull up from it?
• 43:18
  All up really well, in fact, I like basically I didn't get
• 43:21
  straight back to training, but pretty much I raised a 10K the
• 43:25
  week after I did about 80 to 90 miles, I think the week after.
• 43:31
  But at that time it felt great. But then four to six weeks
• 43:35
  later, then I felt dreadful. I felt like I hadn't given my
• 43:38
  body any recovery time. Just probably burned out.
• 43:40
  So that's what I guess if anyone takes anything away from this,
• 43:44
  from this absolute waffle that I'm giving out here is like,
• 43:48
  even if you think you don't need to recover from a marathon, you
• 43:52
  do you. Absolutely.
• 43:55
  Yeah. And umm, do you feel like for
• 43:58
  the coming for the rest of the year?
• 43:59
  Do you feel like, like I know there's a guy Brett Robinson in
• 44:04
  Australia and he's been at the marathon for ages and he's after
• 44:08
  pulling it back now and he's after going back to basic back
• 44:10
  there to track, try and get the speed.
• 44:12
  Do you feel like doing marathon after marathon after marathon is
• 44:16
  the right way to do it? Because from me personally, I
• 44:19
  think like marathon, then go back down to do your 5K10K, get
• 44:22
  the speed back that just keep on tapping into that resource.
• 44:25
  Like what's your plan now for sort of the rest of the year?
• 44:28
  I think, I think exactly what Brett is doing is like the way
• 44:31
  that you should do it. And you see every now and again
• 44:34
  people like fill assessment, they'll go back and do like a 3K
• 44:36
  indoors, you know, like really just tapping back into that top
• 44:39
  of your pyramid. And that's what I would, that's
• 44:42
  what I plan to do in this kind of return to run is really start
• 44:45
  off with the shorter stuff, so less volume, higher intensity,
• 44:48
  and then kind of gradually building towards an autumn slash
• 44:51
  winter marathon, probably Valencia, haven't decided yet.
• 44:56
  But yeah, I naturally am dreadful at the the faster
• 44:59
  stuff. So I always tell myself, right,
• 45:02
  this summer I'm going to do a speed block.
• 45:04
  We're going to really focus on my top end speed.
• 45:06
  And then it comes actually doing the training and I am like, so
• 45:09
  not in it that I just revert to tight and just get back to like
• 45:12
  the marathon training. And that's the, I think if I
• 45:15
  really want to level up, that's what I have to do, just force
• 45:17
  myself to do the stuff that I don't want to do, which is in
• 45:19
  this case the the speed work. Yeah, I guess.
• 45:24
  And I done my first ever Elctic session there earlier this year
• 45:29
  and it was only like 10, four hundreds or something.
• 45:32
  But you're just, it's the most painful thing I've ever
• 45:36
  experienced. And then after the session, you
• 45:38
  just you're just hit with this massive like a headache and you
• 45:41
  just cannot move. It is.
• 45:43
  You're like, why do I put myself through this?
• 45:46
  Yeah, exactly. And and my my girlfriend better,
• 45:49
  she has a fear of of sick. So if I go and do any other
• 45:52
  sessions and I'm like potentially going to be thrown
• 45:54
  up at the end. That's not fun for either of us.
• 45:57
  Got really, I don't know, dial it in not, not 100% effort, just
• 46:01
  like 98% effort I think. Because she's very good in the
• 46:05
  camera. Well, yeah, well, I think so.
• 46:09
  Bless her heart. She's she had a few comments on,
• 46:12
  on like some of the YouTube chat, YouTube videos, because
• 46:14
  she'd been helping me massively with the videography and and
• 46:17
  someone would say like, oh, like you need to stabilize the
• 46:19
  camera. Like, oh, I got nauseous from
• 46:21
  like your, your videography and bless her.
• 46:23
  Like if, if they said that to me, that would bounce off me
• 46:25
  because I've done it so long, but I just don't care, you know?
• 46:28
  But bless her heart, she thought she was doing me a favour, like
• 46:31
  trying to help me make these videos better.
• 46:33
  And then like, I don't know, Dave 1234 on YouTube has
• 46:38
  commented something mean, like unnecessarily.
• 46:40
  And yeah, it's just, it's unnecessary.
• 46:43
  But yeah, I think he's really good at it.
• 46:46
  That's the type of stuff that annoys me so much because I
• 46:48
  consume so much YouTube and like you're like as soon as your
• 46:53
  videos come out I'm stray on it. A personal favorite of mine now
• 46:56
  is the dog cat I call a dog Cam where she views zooms into all
• 47:00
  the dogs at the races she loves, I love.
• 47:02
  That she's not massively, she's not massively into running, but
• 47:06
  she loves like dogs and animals. So she'll so that's what kind of
• 47:09
  keeps her entertained while I'm doing the race.
• 47:12
  If she can't get footage and just like, yeah, exactly.
• 47:16
  Yeah. She would just get as many dog
• 47:17
  like dog videos as possible. Bless her.
• 47:21
  No, I love it, love it. And it helps when someone's in
• 47:24
  it with you as well. I think it just makes the makes
• 47:28
  the journey a lot easier because like people think running is an
• 47:31
  individual sport, it definitely, definitely isn't.
• 47:34
  And you need a good, good squad around you ready to help you.
• 47:38
  Yeah, definitely. I think if I was going on like a
• 47:41
  solo training camp, I would not enjoy it anywhere near as much
• 47:43
  as I think I would because, yeah, just running when it's
• 47:48
  completely solo. And I guess that's one reason
• 47:51
  why I built that, like, try to build this online community
• 47:53
  because then you don't feel as alone in this, in this sport,
• 47:58
  even if it's like, yeah, like online friends, I suppose.
• 48:02
  And you run with Is it Tonbridge?
• 48:06
  Tonebridge, the black and white one.
• 48:09
  Yeah, So Tunbridge acing. Yeah.
• 48:11
  It's like, it's like a Navy blue, like stripes across the
• 48:14
  chest. Yeah, Yeah.
• 48:15
  So I, I was running for in Victory's Kent.
• 48:18
  That's my like boyhood club and that was when I was back home in
• 48:21
  kind of Canterbury way. And then when I went to uni I
• 48:24
  moved to Maidstone, which is just outside Tunbridge and
• 48:26
  Tunbridge AC are like a like a top five national like club in
• 48:31
  the UK. And I really wanted the
• 48:33
  opportunities to participate in like some of the relay events
• 48:36
  and stuff. So I moved, moved clubs and now
• 48:39
  I've moved again. Like I live in Bury St.
• 48:42
  Edmunds now, which is near near Suffolk.
• 48:44
  What is in Suffolk? So there's loads of clubs
• 48:47
  locally but I won't move club again because I don't know if it
• 48:51
  was a bit sneaky to keep moving clubs.
• 48:54
  And do you have a group there or do you do a lot of your your
• 48:58
  training? Solo.
• 49:00
  So I do 95% of my training solo. There is a group here that's
• 49:03
  called the Treaty Trappers, what they call themselves.
• 49:07
  So it's just like, yeah, just a really like a great group of
• 49:10
  basically in a nice way possible.
• 49:13
  It's like working dads. Like they're they're, they're
• 49:16
  blokes that have full time jobs, but they love to run.
• 49:20
  So they're they're great. You're looking at kind of like
• 49:21
  229 marathoners as the as the top of the the group, which is
• 49:25
  great for the easy runs and, and some of the longer runs.
• 49:29
  But yeah, when I'm doing the sessions, I do have to kind of
• 49:32
  kind of head off on my own, which is, which is absolutely
• 49:34
  fine. You know, like matching pace
• 49:36
  with someone. It's like it's, it's quite
• 49:38
  difficult. So, so yeah, no, that's the,
• 49:42
  that's the local group. They're lovely, lovely bikes.
• 49:44
  Really welcomed being to the local running scene.
• 49:48
  But yeah, there isn't really like a local club as such that
• 49:50
  I've been training with. Your current training setup, I
• 49:55
  know a while back you said you're coached by Ben Connor and
• 50:00
  love his stuff. He actually he where I when I go
• 50:03
  to Spain to train, he is like really, really a close area to
• 50:08
  where. So I'm very familiar with his
• 50:10
  trying to follow Monster Ravi and all.
• 50:12
  And what's your current setup like and what's yeah this year?
• 50:17
  Yeah. So I asked Ben to start coach me
• 50:20
  I think last year around October, I think.
• 50:23
  So like kind of into Valencia and then since since Valencia
• 50:26
  and I kind of got back into training, I realized that I
• 50:28
  wanted to get back to the high volume training because that's
• 50:31
  what I love doing. So sadly said goodbye to to Ben
• 50:34
  and Lily because I, I knew realistically no coaches can
• 50:36
  reset and made the sort of volume that I wanted to be
• 50:38
  training at. So it's quite funny actually,
• 50:40
  just before I said goodbye, just before I got injured, I've sent
• 50:44
  Ben a long message. Like I really appreciate all
• 50:47
  your help. You've been so, so kind and
• 50:48
  helpful. But I just, I need to go back to
• 50:51
  kind of self coaching for the for the time being, purely
• 50:54
  because my schedule is hectic. So only I know what I can do on
• 50:58
  certain days, But also I want to do more mileage than is ever
• 51:02
  safe for you to prescribe me basically.
• 51:05
  And Ben was super understanding, but the one underlying message
• 51:07
  he said to me was like, you're doing great, but mileage isn't
• 51:11
  everything. And like, just be careful.
• 51:12
  And then literally like a week after picked on my stress
• 51:15
  response about time. So yeah, Ben was right, I was
• 51:21
  wrong. And yeah, definitely got my tail
• 51:23
  between my legs. I feel like you never know, like
• 51:29
  you learn more from your mistakes.
• 51:31
  Mileage is important. See, the Japanese like their
• 51:35
  mileage crazy. And you never know your limits
• 51:38
  until you cross that line. Yeah.
• 51:41
  So I feel like, yeah, he might be right now, but you never, you
• 51:45
  never would have known if you didn't cross the line.
• 51:48
  Exactly, exactly. And that's definitely the
• 51:50
  viewpoint that I hold. And then I had a conversation
• 51:53
  with with Phil assessment after, after, well, after I announced
• 51:57
  the injury and stuff. And I just said, well, I think
• 51:58
  maybe the 25260 KA week was a little bit too much.
• 52:02
  And he was like, yeah, you're probably right.
• 52:04
  But the high mileage is still really important.
• 52:06
  So don't just like sack it off basically.
• 52:08
  So what I'll probably do is once I get back up to kind of like
• 52:11
  full fitness is maybe 160 to 200 K running and then just
• 52:15
  supplement the rest with the bike and just really focus on
• 52:19
  session quality. And yeah, maybe I'll get back to
• 52:24
  that sort of mileage in the future, even if it's only for
• 52:26
  like a short period, like 4 weeks as part of a marathon
• 52:28
  block or something. But yeah, doing it for 12 weeks
• 52:31
  straight maybe not the most sensible thing in the.
• 52:34
  Yeah, I, I love my day off. Every, every Friday I have a day
• 52:39
  off. But I feel once you get into the
• 52:41
  routine of doing something twice a day, when you don't do it,
• 52:46
  you're like, Oh my God, what am I doing with my life?
• 52:48
  Like I feel like you need to be doing it once you've done it for
• 52:51
  a period of time. Yeah, when I when I got injured,
• 52:54
  I felt like a drug addict that having withdrawal symptoms, like
• 52:58
  I have been getting bad headaches.
• 53:01
  I've been getting like swollen legs because my body's used to
• 53:05
  running for three hours a day and it's not doing it.
• 53:07
  And because of the stress, because of the nature of my
• 53:09
  injury, I'm not really allowed to do anything for the first
• 53:12
  week to two weeks. Like no exercise at all.
• 53:14
  So I feel so unproductive, so lazy.
• 53:18
  I'm eating everything in the fridge because I'm bored.
• 53:22
  It's like, yeah, it's just, it's been a nightmare.
• 53:25
  But as you say, like if you don't, if you don't try these
• 53:28
  things, you don't find, you don't find out what is your,
• 53:31
  what is your limit. So now I know that 202110220K
• 53:35
  last year for London worked 250 to 260 this year hasn't worked.
• 53:40
  So that's obviously the ceiling. So I need to come back to kind
• 53:43
  of what I was doing last year. Yeah, I think it just has run as
• 53:47
  we always want more dummy. We always, we're obviously
• 53:49
  chasing the next thing. Even though it's not the best
• 53:53
  thing for us, we always want more and more and more like
• 53:55
  complete, so relatively. So for the year ahead, we can
• 54:00
  expect to see you in a winter marathon.
• 54:03
  Will you do some track races come end of summer?
• 54:08
  If I'm sick, maybe, yeah. I think for me the track is one
• 54:12
  of those things that I have to be fit to do it.
• 54:14
  I don't mind doing Rd. races if I'm not fit.
• 54:17
  I hate racing on the track. If I'm not fit because I'm not
• 54:19
  in, I don't enjoy it massively anyway.
• 54:21
  So then if you're going to put in like the mix that you'll
• 54:24
  maybe not performing to how you'd like to perform, I don't
• 54:27
  know. It's just it just doesn't make
• 54:29
  me feel good. And that's ultimately walk
• 54:30
  running. It's about right.
• 54:31
  We do it to make our feel ourselves feel good.
• 54:34
  So I'm looking at, I've got an entry for Great North Run in
• 54:38
  September and then I'd like to dabble in the local cross
• 54:42
  country scene. This hadn't done any of the
• 54:44
  local cross country races where I've moved to move to here.
• 54:47
  So they've got to do some new ones there and then I'd like to
• 54:50
  do yeah, some. So maybe, yeah, some Road 5 KS,
• 54:53
  Road 10 KS and building towards them.
• 54:56
  Then hopefully Valencia that haven't decided yet.
• 55:01
  Yeah, yeah. Because I feel like I've always
• 55:03
  compared my times to you. So when you made that jump there
• 55:09
  last year, I was like, shit, he's after again, he's way
• 55:12
  better than me now. So I feel like we're very
• 55:14
  comparable. So and when you set your goals
• 55:16
  for the year, like you, you, you break 14, I feel like that's
• 55:21
  again, it's a massive thing in in running.
• 55:25
  And I feel like, yeah, you just need the race and you get it.
• 55:29
  So I'd love to see you doing the five KS and 10 KS.
• 55:33
  Appreciate that. Yeah, I definitely want to
• 55:35
  break, break 14 this year. So that's definitely going to be
• 55:38
  still a goal. That's on my cars.
• 55:39
  Obviously I didn't I didn't have it on my in my deck of cars.
• 55:43
  I was going to get injured this year or not this sort of type of
• 55:46
  injury that's going to basically wipe out a month.
• 55:50
  But I guess I'll just count my lucky stars.
• 55:52
  It's not a full blown stress fracture.
• 55:55
  It's a bump in the road rather than a massive pothole that
• 55:58
  you'd see quite a lot around here.
• 56:02
  Again, it's so it shows that you know your body like you could.
• 56:05
  You could feel that this was coming.
• 56:07
  So you pull the pen early. Whereas other people like
• 56:10
  they're not as in tune with their body, so they might have
• 56:13
  kept on running and running and then it turns into like a three
• 56:15
  month layoff. Yeah, the the thing I was kind
• 56:19
  of lived by with my job as well. Obviously being in this kind of
• 56:22
  the healthcare field is common. Things are common.
• 56:24
  And then I was getting uncommon pain in my leg, like a location
• 56:29
  that there's not much there. It wasn't a muscle tear, but I
• 56:32
  just could feel it wasn't a muscle tear and there's nothing
• 56:36
  else. There is bone and muscle in the
• 56:38
  middle of your middle of your quad.
• 56:40
  So yeah, I just, I knew something was wrong and I was
• 56:45
  all right. I cross trained for a week, got
• 56:46
  the MRI scan and it was, yeah, came back.
• 56:50
  There's a grade one stress response even after a week of no
• 56:53
  running. So even after it died down a
• 56:55
  bit, it was still still grade 18 centimeters long.
• 57:00
  So yeah, I gave Dean Miller a message.
• 57:02
  We had a, we had a long chat and then yeah, got kind of like a
• 57:05
  four to six week rehab plan of frost training from Thursday.
• 57:10
  So I'll be back cycling from Thursday.
• 57:12
  I've got a turbo trainer arriving on Thursday as well,
• 57:14
  which is, which is cool. So I can do it from home, which
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  is, which is really cool. And then I can start, I can
• 57:20
  start running again from basically end of April, early
• 57:23
  May. But but my sister's running
• 57:25
  London, so it's going to be really cool to be able to watch
• 57:27
  her do her first marathon as a spectator rather than me
• 57:32
  running. Man, you always, you'll come
• 57:35
  back stronger from the injuries. That's what I always say.
• 57:37
  Your body just needed a break and you're always like you see
• 57:39
  how everyone comes back stronger from injury.
• 57:41
  So I can't wait. Hopefully if you do winter
• 57:44
  marathon, I cannot wait to see this build.
• 57:47
  Yeah, it's going to be as well. Hopefully it'll be my best yet.
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  And I've got, I feel like this time now because it's been, it's
• 57:52
  been a year since I've ran 216 at London, I feel like now I've
• 57:55
  got something to prove. I need to back it up with
• 57:57
  another good performance. Like I'm not a one hit wonder.
• 58:01
  So yeah. But like you're not because like
• 58:05
  you've got the other your 5K10K times back it up, I feel.
• 58:09
  Yeah, that's another thing that people you can nearly read too
• 58:13
  much into like because you've done so well in London, there's
• 58:17
  that added bit of pressure like, oh, I need to like the better
• 58:20
  that my next one. Whereas I think just take it and
• 58:24
  just roll with it like the 100% like 216 is only is only the
• 58:29
  floor. You've got a lot more to work
• 58:31
  up. So a.
• 58:33
  Lot. On the on our daily podcast or
• 58:37
  weekly podcasts, we have this section called Double Trouble
• 58:40
  where it's like sort of a hot take that like sort of divides
• 58:47
  opinions basically. So Ryan always goes at the
• 58:52
  triathletes and saying they're just averaging everything and
• 58:54
  all this sort of stuff. I, I wouldn't agree with that at
• 58:57
  all. But do you have any like Andrew?
• 58:59
  I think Andrew Kostkin said the long run is overrated.
• 59:03
  What do you have any like hot takes like a double trouble?
• 59:07
  Oh, OK. Hot takes.
• 59:11
  Yeah, I don't, I don't think so. I feel like I'm a pretty high.
• 59:20
  I feel like I'm not very, what's the word, controversial.
• 59:24
  I'm not a very controversial person.
• 59:25
  So I can kind of go with go with the flow quite a lot.
• 59:30
  OK. I don't know if this is a hot
• 59:31
  take. I would say the people that do
• 59:35
  the best on social media, and this doesn't include me, I feel
• 59:38
  like they have to have something like weird about them.
• 59:41
  They have to have something a little bit, you know, strange
• 59:44
  that. And they're the people that I
• 59:45
  love watching the most. I know like, like advanced
• 59:47
  Japan, for example. He's like, he's like, properly,
• 59:50
  properly weird. And he would not mind me saying
• 59:52
  that, like, I was like the people that do the best.
• 59:56
  There's like a correlation with kind of how weird they are.
• 59:58
  I don't know if that's a hot take, but yeah.
• 1:00:00
  OK, OK. I feel like I'm getting more of
• 1:00:03
  that in Ben Felton's videos. I feel like he's sort of coming
• 1:00:06
  out a little bit more. Some of the things he.
• 1:00:08
  Does now, now that Ben, now that Meg is doing the video, the
• 1:00:12
  filming for him and he can stand away from the camera, like more
• 1:00:15
  of his like personalities coming in.
• 1:00:17
  And I'm definitely here for it. And I think I've kind of tried
• 1:00:20
  to do the same when my girlfriend's been filming.
• 1:00:22
  It's like because I'm suddenly then talking to her when she's
• 1:00:25
  holding the camera, more of my personality comes out than if I
• 1:00:27
  was just holding the camera talking to myself.
• 1:00:30
  Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. No, that's a good one.
• 1:00:32
  No, I like that one. I like that.
• 1:00:33
  I like that and. Yeah, I don't know, go on.
• 1:00:38
  I was going to say no, I was just going to say like, I don't
• 1:00:40
  know if it's like if it's true, but that's just, I don't know,
• 1:00:42
  the people that I find the best and the ones that are generally
• 1:00:45
  like the biggest in terms of like numbers of following.
• 1:00:48
  I'm not like Hugo Fry, like he's just, he's bash it like he's
• 1:00:51
  just crazy. And people and people love it.
• 1:00:54
  You know, they like to see elements of themselves in the
• 1:00:57
  content creator. So if you've if you've got
• 1:00:59
  someone who's just a straight back, like down the middle and
• 1:01:01
  nothing really interesting about them, they're probably not going
• 1:01:03
  to do do as well, even if they're a great runner.
• 1:01:07
  You know, like you see the elites, like it doesn't matter
• 1:01:09
  how good you are if the content is dreadful, like you're not
• 1:01:11
  going to get as many. I don't know, like, I guess an
• 1:01:14
  example would be like Josh Kerr, right?
• 1:01:16
  He's like really, really fantastic runner, but his
• 1:01:19
  YouTube doesn't do anywhere near as well as Jacob because he's
• 1:01:22
  not weird. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:26
  Yeah. So I don't know.
• 1:01:28
  Yeah, when you get Yakka back on the YouTube, I loved his some of
• 1:01:31
  his stuff. Yeah, yeah, I was.
• 1:01:33
  I really liked it, Yeah. And you're supported by Adidas
• 1:01:39
  and Star Fitness? What's your SO?
• 1:01:43
  I feel like Adidas they've such good ratio.
• 1:01:46
  Like what's your daily? I love shoes.
• 1:01:48
  I just love the running shoes. What's your like?
• 1:01:50
  Go to Adidas daily trainer. I've been using the either SL
• 1:01:55
  for basically everything that is in the session, so like easy
• 1:01:58
  runs, steady run, like even some tempos, long runs as well.
• 1:02:03
  And so that's a really good one. An underrated one in my opinion,
• 1:02:06
  is the Addy star Bydi think it stands for beyond your distance
• 1:02:10
  or something like that. That's quite a good one.
• 1:02:12
  It has got a plate in it, but it's not like you're like
• 1:02:15
  classic like red shoe kind of it's not super lightweight.
• 1:02:18
  It's a bit of like a like a clunky shoe.
• 1:02:20
  I quite like like a big clunky shoe, you know, like you're and
• 1:02:24
  I like you Super Blast or you're, you're Venera plus that
• 1:02:27
  type of feel like something there's a bit brick feeling on
• 1:02:30
  your foot, like I like that. And then they've just put out,
• 1:02:34
  bought out the Hyperboost Edge, which I haven't actually sadly
• 1:02:36
  been out to run in yet, obviously because of my injury.
• 1:02:39
  But walking around that feels really, really nice.
• 1:02:41
  And that's their kind of like super trainer, kind of like long
• 1:02:44
  runs, easy plodding. That's their that's their sort
• 1:02:46
  of shoe for that. So yeah, that's what I'd go
• 1:02:50
  ahead. That's the red and white one
• 1:02:53
  that looks like an old F50 nearly that's.
• 1:02:56
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it does it like an old
• 1:02:58
  F15, Yeah. Ah, yeah, I've seen that one
• 1:03:01
  again. There's so many.
• 1:03:03
  Like I feel like that's what shoe brands are doing now.
• 1:03:05
  They're nearly overwhelming you with all the different types of
• 1:03:08
  shoes. You don't have a clue.
• 1:03:10
  What shoe does wash like that evil SL?
• 1:03:13
  Like is it an easy day? Is it a tempo day?
• 1:03:15
  You can because you can use it for literally every.
• 1:03:18
  Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'd say like for me as well,
• 1:03:21
  like I kind of just put whatever I feel like feels the nicest on
• 1:03:25
  my feet, regardless of what category the shoot brand puts it
• 1:03:27
  into. So for example, like the Boston
• 1:03:29
  13, right, that's their that's their tempo shoe for me.
• 1:03:33
  I don't like running like quick in it.
• 1:03:35
  I feel like it's it's not good for running quick.
• 1:03:37
  So I would just do like a recovery run in it, like
• 1:03:39
  something nice and easy. It's nice and lightweight.
• 1:03:42
  Yeah, so cool. Cool.
• 1:03:46
  Oh cool, that's I think that's it from me and people can follow
• 1:03:52
  you on your Instagram, your YouTube.
• 1:03:55
  And are we going to keep on getting YouTube videos or will
• 1:03:57
  they be a little a little low now?
• 1:04:00
  No, they will be. My plan is to try and make some
• 1:04:03
  sort of like road to recovery series or something like that
• 1:04:05
  where we're kind of documenting the journey, like what the
• 1:04:08
  milestones and also just kind of talking about like what phases
• 1:04:11
  of the stress response is. So like for example, coming up
• 1:04:15
  to this Thursday before I start cross training, I need to be
• 1:04:18
  able to do 20 hops on my right leg pain free.
• 1:04:22
  And if I can't do that, then I can't cycle on the bike.
• 1:04:24
  You know, things like that, that people maybe don't know about
• 1:04:27
  certain injuries. So just trying to document
• 1:04:29
  outside of it really. That'll be so people will get so
• 1:04:33
  much from that because even the likes of like Clayton Young, he
• 1:04:36
  pulled a pin on his and like, you sort of want to see what
• 1:04:40
  they're doing when they're injured, the rebuild.
• 1:04:42
  So I think that, yeah, people will get so much from that.
• 1:04:46
  Yeah, yeah, that's the that's the plan.
• 1:04:47
  Like this week I haven't filmed anything because I have been
• 1:04:50
  doing nothing. I've done the odd bit of
• 1:04:52
  stretching, but that's literally I can't even go for a walk.
• 1:04:55
  So it's boring. But as yeah, from next week when
• 1:04:58
  I'm back on the bike, kind of dabble in Swift like I have
• 1:05:01
  never done Swift before. So I'm going to start start a
• 1:05:04
  bit of that as well. So yeah.
• 1:05:08
  Knock. Oh, come here.
• 1:05:10
  Well, thank you very, very much for coming on and I cannot wait
• 1:05:15
  to see the rebuild. And they're more excite and I
• 1:05:18
  feel and yeah, all the best in the in the coming year.
• 1:05:23
  OK, man. Thank you so much.
• 1:05:25
  Have a have a good rest of your Easter weekend.
• 1:05:28
  Cheers my yeah, eat loads of Easter eggs.
• 1:05:31
  Still at me. See you man.
• 1:05:33
  Good luck. Bye bye.