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Jeff Legwold joins Moser, Lombardi and Kane 2-19-26 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 1: Sit after the Ramas Law hotline car accident. You need
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  Speaker 1: Ramos Law Medical doctrine attorney Ramas Law dot com. We
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  Speaker 1: are joined as we are every Thursday at nine o'clock
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  Speaker 1: by Jeff Lagwalldo ESPN dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Leggy, morning fellas.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning.
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  Speaker 1: So first, some of the releases going on in Miami
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  Speaker 1: releasing Bradley Chubb, releasing Tyreek Hill uh, putting the Tyreek
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  Speaker 1: extracurriculars to the side. What do you think he is
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  Speaker 1: as a player right now?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I don't think anybody knows, right. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 4: coming off a horrific injury, so I think a lot
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  Speaker 4: of folks are physically wondering what it will look like
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  Speaker 4: when he comes back. You're talking about a guy whose
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  Speaker 4: entire sort of skill set is based on being one
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  Speaker 4: of the fastest players, if not the fastest player in
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  Speaker 4: the league, and you have a lower body injury that's serious.
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  Speaker 4: People are going to wonder, you know, how it's going
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  Speaker 4: to be when you come back. So I think that's
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  Speaker 4: the biggest question people have beyond all of the other
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  Speaker 4: off the field stuff. So that's a pretty tough double
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  Speaker 4: dip for.
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  Speaker 2: Him coming back.
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  Speaker 4: I think he would have to prove to somebody he's physically,
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  Speaker 4: you know, ready to roll even before the conversation would
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  Speaker 4: get started.
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  Speaker 5: Jeff, I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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  Speaker 5: I saw your colleagues at ESPN speculating about an aj
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  Speaker 5: Brown trade to the Broncos, and Brett's gonna.
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  Speaker 3: Get in more of that.
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  Speaker 5: Where where's the line of demarcation with player who can
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  Speaker 5: really help you versus the baggage they bring with them.
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  Speaker 4: It's most that is always, you know, much like hockey.
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  Speaker 4: You know that you're it's much like what the head
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  Speaker 4: coach and the GM are willing to sort of tolerate.
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  Speaker 4: You know, who are you going to put in the
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  Speaker 4: room as it were? Now, They've they've made a very
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  Speaker 4: big public constant refrain here about how much they like
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  Speaker 4: the composition of their locker room. So I think that
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  Speaker 4: I think they take that into consideration here more than
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  Speaker 4: some other teams would.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, here they're going to listen to Sean.
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  Speaker 4: Payton, you know, if he really really really wants a player,
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  Speaker 4: They're going to try and figure out how to get
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  Speaker 4: it without you know, giving up too much, you know,
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  Speaker 4: make it to one sided. So it but I think
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  Speaker 4: that would take a long conversation between the coach and
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  Speaker 4: the player. Here, I think the player would have to
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  Speaker 4: convince Sean Payton, hey, I'm not going to be a problem,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, kind of an eye to eye conversation
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  Speaker 4: like what are you going to do for me type
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  Speaker 4: of thing, and then they would consider, Okay, now what
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  Speaker 4: will it take to get the player I you know,
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  Speaker 4: you know it's it's anecdotal, sure, because it's not scientific.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, everyone I've spoken to in the league
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  Speaker 4: about just doing my draft rounds the past week or so,
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  Speaker 4: they still don't believe the Eagles that Howie Roseman's gonna
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  Speaker 4: be willing to trade a player of that talent unless
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  Speaker 4: he can win the trade significantly.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but if you're fighting with Jalen Hurtz and you've
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  Speaker 5: won a Super Bowl and you're in the face of
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  Speaker 5: your the last I told the Boys, the last thing
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  Speaker 5: I remember about AJ Brown this year was against the Niners.
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  Speaker 5: He's in the face of his coach fighting on the sideline. Man,
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  Speaker 5: I don't want that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 5: And it's not just necessarily Aj, it's it's anybody who
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  Speaker 5: would do that to cause a ruckus amongst the team,
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  Speaker 5: And to me, you only go and get those guys.
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  Speaker 5: If you're a team that you need, God, you're desperate,
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  Speaker 5: you're willing to put up with the brain damage in
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  Speaker 5: order to try to get over the hump. But if
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  Speaker 5: you're already a good team and the number one seed,
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  Speaker 5: why bring that into your room.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's gonna always be the consideration for
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  Speaker 4: a player like it. I just know when the Eagles,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the Eagles aren't like other teams when they're
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  Speaker 4: when they're making trades, they're looking to win.
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  Speaker 2: They're not just looking to.
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  Speaker 4: Move players and move pieces around the board.
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  Speaker 2: They're looking to win the deal.
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  Speaker 4: And when when a player, even as talented as AJ
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  Speaker 4: Brown is, you know, when he brings that other stuff,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's hard for to win a deal like that significantly.
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  Speaker 4: So I think the Eagles would have to make some concessions.
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  Speaker 4: And again I haven't spoken to everybody. They could be
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  Speaker 4: doing lots of things behind the scenes. I haven't heard,
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  Speaker 4: But the folks I've talked to haven't seen or heard
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  Speaker 4: any of those sort of concessions yet. But it's early,
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  Speaker 4: you know, there's a long way to the draft weekend,
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  Speaker 4: when the action really picks up and the combine is
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  Speaker 4: next week. I mean, that is just ground zero of
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  Speaker 4: discussions about everything league wide, including you know, that's when
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  Speaker 4: the real business of making trades get started because guys
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  Speaker 4: gms can meet out out face to face wherever they want,
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  Speaker 4: you know, in the city.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, Jeffrey, there's a big concern in the NBA right
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  Speaker 6: now for teams who are tanking, and it's pretty bad.
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  Speaker 6: Are the Miami Dolphins tanking in the NFL? Is that
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  Speaker 6: what they're doing right now?
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  Speaker 4: They're not tanking, vic, but the salary cap forces you
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  Speaker 4: to make painful decisions, you know, whether that's financial tanking,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Uh, they're just not in a position the
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  Speaker 4: Broncos were. I mean, when when the Broncos had to
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  Speaker 4: elected to you know, release Russell Wilson and take on
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  Speaker 4: their salary cap mayhem, they had a quarterback on a
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  Speaker 4: rookie contract, which is infinitely easier to do than what
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  Speaker 4: the Dolphins are trying to do. And you know, you've
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  Speaker 4: got teams like the Saints and others that have not
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  Speaker 4: taken it down to the found foundation to rebuild. You know,
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  Speaker 4: they just keep trying to hang around and that's tough
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  Speaker 4: to do. I think the Dolphins have finally made the
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  Speaker 4: call of you know, got to move some of these
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  Speaker 4: contracts out of here, got to make room and take
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  Speaker 4: the financial pain.
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  Speaker 2: But they're still not in good shape.
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  Speaker 4: They're they're just trying to get enough salary cap room
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  Speaker 4: to do business, and in the NFL, that's never where
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  Speaker 4: you want to be. I know people love to chat, oh,
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  Speaker 4: the salary caps not real and all that, but dead
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  Speaker 4: money is real, and dealing with dead money is real,
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  Speaker 4: and you got to avoid if you're gonna be good
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  Speaker 4: over the long haul, you got to avoid that type
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  Speaker 4: of sort of cratering. And you know the old saying,
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  Speaker 4: better to get rid of a player one year too
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  Speaker 4: early than one year too late if you're the team.
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  Speaker 4: Not if you're the player, but if you're the team.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Lakewold with us All conversations with leg Year brought
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  Speaker 1: Local sixty eight, start with a job in with the career.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of Broncos fans that seemed to
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  Speaker 1: be very flippant about the idea of Riley Moss just
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  Speaker 1: being an asset you can move from. Can you explain
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  Speaker 1: to people what kind of cornerback Riley Moss is.
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  Speaker 4: Well, to start with, he actually fixed what his on
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  Speaker 4: field problem was. You know, look at the flags early
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  Speaker 4: in the season, look at the flags late in the season.
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  Speaker 4: The guy did the work, he improved, he made adjustments.
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  Speaker 4: People weren't going at him any less coming down the stretch.
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  Speaker 4: He just played differently and better. And that's not a
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  Speaker 4: skill that's very common, you know, even among the best
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  Speaker 4: of athletes. So start there. Also start he's one of
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  Speaker 4: the most high volume snap guys in the league. Most
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  Speaker 4: snaps played at corner, most manned man snaps played at corner,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, pick a category, Riley Moss is at the
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  Speaker 4: top or near the top.
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  Speaker 2: So uh, but John A.
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  Speaker 4: Baron's got to have a place to play too at
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  Speaker 4: some point. I think that's what people look at is
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  Speaker 4: the Broncos are maybe the deepest team at the most
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  Speaker 4: one of the most important positions defensively.
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  Speaker 2: In the league.
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  Speaker 4: So they do have more assets there than other people do,
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  Speaker 4: including Baron, McMillan and Moss. And I think a lot
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  Speaker 4: of yeah, I mean a lot of gms around the
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  Speaker 4: league have their eye on McMillan and Moss, sure, because
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  Speaker 4: they they're playing off the premise. Most people are that
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  Speaker 4: eventually Johday Baron's got to be somewhere. H unless you're
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  Speaker 4: just gonna play Nickel one hundred percent of the time
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  Speaker 4: and you know, you go from there. But as long
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  Speaker 4: as they have that kind of depth, I think Riley's
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  Speaker 4: going to have to deal with hearing and and people
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  Speaker 4: asking him about, hey, you're going to betrayed. But the
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  Speaker 4: Broncos love him as a player. It would take a
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  Speaker 4: lot for them to part with the depth at corner.
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  Speaker 4: They think that separates them from other defenses in the league.
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  Speaker 3: So what's next, you say, the combines? Next? Is that correct?
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  Speaker 2: Next week?
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  Speaker 3: You got your hotel room ready?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, well in advance and may have a
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  Speaker 2: gold plate of him.
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  Speaker 3: Why are we even so then, why are we even
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  Speaker 3: talking to you today?
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  Speaker 6: Well, the reason why it's it's it's important is because
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  Speaker 6: now the state of Indiana will house two. By the way,
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  Speaker 6: your team you should be in. You should turn in
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  Speaker 6: your Chicago card right now.
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  Speaker 4: You know it's it's I'll tell you the fun The
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  Speaker 4: weirdest thing is that my dad worked for the railroad.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, your old man did work for the river for
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  Speaker 5: eighty seven years to have the Bears move to him, and.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, he would be telling him this would be crushing,
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  Speaker 4: but uh, he always and I mean always, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: one one of my first jobs with shovel and gravel
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  Speaker 4: and loading up old.
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  Speaker 2: Rails in the trucks that they were hauling away. But
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  Speaker 2: we always there.
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  Speaker 4: There is a much like the Burnham area here right
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  Speaker 4: you can see it from Soldier Field.
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  Speaker 2: There is this.
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  Speaker 4: Enormous rail yard no one uses anymore. And somehow the
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  Speaker 4: Bears in Chicago can't figure out how to simply put
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  Speaker 4: the stadium right there. Bears stay in Chicago, it's still
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  Speaker 4: on the lake front. Everybody have a nice day. It
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  Speaker 4: should take like ten minutes, and yet they're probably going
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  Speaker 4: to be in Hammond because the Bears want more money
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  Speaker 4: for a stadium than the state of Illinois or Cook
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  Speaker 4: County wants to give them.
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  Speaker 2: And it's the big difference.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead, Sorry, no, it's.
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  Speaker 2: It's why this project is different.
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  Speaker 4: If the Broncos were asking Denver and the county and
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  Speaker 4: the state for that money to build that stadium, you
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  Speaker 4: guys would be spending a lot more time talking about
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  Speaker 4: that than you are right now.
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  Speaker 2: Right now. It's a given.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, Broncos are going to build a new stadium, and uh,
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  Speaker 4: the city of Denver or the county or the state,
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  Speaker 4: uh spend some money to raise the light rail so
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  Speaker 4: people can walk under it to get to the stadium.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, like no must, no fuss. But it
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  Speaker 2: ain't like that there.
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  Speaker 4: The Bears want money from the state.
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  Speaker 2: And they don't have.
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  Speaker 1: A second hang on hand on. I want to go
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  Speaker 1: back to something you said. You said they're probably going
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  Speaker 1: to move to him and so this isn't a posturing thing.
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  Speaker 1: You think they're actually going to go that.
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  Speaker 4: The Indiana state legislature is so far ahead of Illinois
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  Speaker 4: right now. They've already approved all of the the bo
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  Speaker 4: zones and all of the things they would have to do.
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  Speaker 4: And they're using a model they used to build Lucas
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  Speaker 4: Oil Stadium. They're using the same financial public private model
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  Speaker 4: that they they used to build uh, you know, Lucas
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  Speaker 4: Oil Stadium. And yeah, no, I I I think people
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  Speaker 4: I grew up with and and uh, folks I've known
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  Speaker 4: there my whole life are are sadly underestimating the the
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  Speaker 4: actual chance that the Bears will be like the you know,
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  Speaker 4: the New York Giants that they are the Chicago Bears,
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  Speaker 4: but play in another state on game day.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Then, you know, the lake Forest where their facility is,
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  Speaker 4: can't be any farther away from where that stadium would
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  Speaker 4: be in Indiana lake Forest. I mean, it's it's way
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  Speaker 4: and you know, look you're early used in the stadium
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  Speaker 4: on game day and all that, but it's still would be.
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  Speaker 4: That's a lot farther than the Giants. You know, Jeff,
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  Speaker 4: I used to live in the Giants practice where they play,
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  Speaker 4: where they play games.
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  Speaker 5: I used to live in. I used to live in Deerfield.
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  Speaker 5: That is a long way away from him in Indiana.
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  Speaker 5: I can promise you that, man, that's because.
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  Speaker 4: That's that's high cotton. That's high cotton. My friend, you're
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  Speaker 4: doing okay?
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  Speaker 5: Not well, no really, no, not really.
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  Speaker 2: They wouldn't even let us drive through Deerfield.
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  Speaker 3: I live by.
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  Speaker 5: If it's any consolation, I lived right next to the
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  Speaker 5: Sarah Lee plant that's no longer.
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  Speaker 3: That no longer.
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  Speaker 4: Exists, no longer.
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  Speaker 2: They're like a lot of plants, right they went his picture.
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  Speaker 6: You beat this picture like you grew up in Cabrini Green.
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  Speaker 6: Calm down a little.
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  Speaker 2: Bit here, you have no idea, mister Hyland.
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  Speaker 3: That's awesome. What it just spent my summers in Nantucket.
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  Speaker 2: What's the big deal?
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  Speaker 5: Hey, So the next time we talk to you, you're
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  Speaker 5: gonna be looking at guys in underwear?
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  Speaker 3: Is that right?
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  Speaker 5: Or what?
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  Speaker 4: I love how you phrase it as if you don't
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  Speaker 4: roam the locker room of the Avalanche had a great deal.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, when when does the combine start it?
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  Speaker 4: Uh, players start arriving Sunday night, but I get there Monday,
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  Speaker 4: So the workout start Thursday, which is all anybody really
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  Speaker 4: cares about.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Jeff Legwell joined us every single Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: Always appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Let you thank you, Thanks fellas.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say Jeff Lagwell ESPN dot com joins us on
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  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: When he said they really probably, I was like, wait
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  Speaker 1: a minute, what do you mean probably? I thought this
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  Speaker 1: was all like don't make us do it?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, but isn't that the way it works?
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  Speaker 5: Like, oh, they won't move, they won't they they're not
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  Speaker 5: going anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Think oh, gother in Indiana, think about.
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  Speaker 1: Dallas, just being like we're playing in New Orleans now
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  Speaker 1: or something or Louisiana, just like, yeah, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make any sense.
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  Speaker 6: If you look at the map where ham is located,
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  Speaker 6: where they want to place the stadium. Geographically, it's about
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  Speaker 6: the same distances downtown Chago to Chicago to Hammond.
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  Speaker 3: But it's but it's as it is. But it's a
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  Speaker 3: different state. I get it.
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  Speaker 4: I get it.
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  Speaker 1: It's like when so growing up in Omaha, Council Bluffs
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  Speaker 1: is fifteen minutes away.
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  Speaker 2: That's Iowa.
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  Speaker 1: But if you were going to call something the Nebraska
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  Speaker 1: somethings that that would not fly if it was in
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  Speaker 1: Council Bluffs.
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  Speaker 3: That's another state. It's weird, man,