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Bryon Dorr: Adventurer, Athlete, and Overlander · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, this is the Overland Journal podcast. I'm here
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  Speaker 1: with my co host Scott Brady and bestie Brian Dorr.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to interview him today and make him feel
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  Speaker 1: slightly uncomfortable. Yeah, and we've we've guaranteed that nearly by
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  Speaker 1: you having three pep spoo ribbon and a course in
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  Speaker 1: front of you right now. Two course, cowboy course. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not driving, don't drink and drive. But we have
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  Speaker 1: just all come off of working twelve hour days at
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  Speaker 1: over the nextpo. So we're going to do what we
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  Speaker 1: feel like. And I figure if it's good for Brian Reynolds,
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  Speaker 1: and I think yeah, Jason Momoa has a Yeah, Scott
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  Speaker 1: Brady has a privately labeled alcohol and this is Scott
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  Speaker 1: may not be. And he does have what was once
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  Speaker 1: a Brita picture yes, next to him, filled with what
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  Speaker 1: here with Brian Brian is an accomplished overlander automotive journalist.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, you do the things that requires your heart
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  Speaker 1: rate to be up, and you exercise in various ways outdoors, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: Scott and I do not.
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  Speaker 2: Human powered and dino juice powered adventures.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so so world class kayaker, you mountain bike,
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  Speaker 1: you do the thing where you use gravity down the
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  Speaker 1: ski slopes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, ski all of the things, skiing, snowboard.
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  Speaker 1: All yeah, both both skiing and snowboarding.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, snowboard instruct you're back in the day and interesting
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  Speaker 2: recently ski photographer.
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  Speaker 1: Oh cool. I've had the pleasure of tr raveling all
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  Speaker 1: over the world with Brian. I've had the pleasure of
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  Speaker 1: Brian coming for Thanksgiving and leaving for New Years. And
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  Speaker 1: uh yeah, yeah, no, I'm just stoked to have you,
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  Speaker 1: stoked to have you here. You were on our original
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  Speaker 1: list of guests, and it's taken this long, It's taken
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  Speaker 1: almost two years. We had that many people that we
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  Speaker 1: wanted ahead of Brian. That's not true, that's not you
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  Speaker 1: were actually very you were very busy, like moving from
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  Speaker 1: a nomadic life to marrying a wonderful woman, Kate, whom
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  Speaker 1: we all love and having a beautiful baby Rose and
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  Speaker 1: having a a roof over your head that does not
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  Speaker 1: pop up, and I.
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  Speaker 2: Hope not.
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  Speaker 1: Those historic homes. Anything is possible. Yeah, yeah, modern homes
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  Speaker 1: like them more twenty eight years old. Yeah. So, how
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  Speaker 1: do you describe Brian door and that's the are myself
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  Speaker 1: b r O yo N. That's an important distinction, yes,
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  Speaker 1: are so like if you try and spell your name
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  Speaker 1: the way you think it's spelled, you're going to mess
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  Speaker 1: it up.
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  Speaker 2: If you try to smell the most wrong, the worst
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  Speaker 2: that you can think of, you're probably about right.
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  Speaker 1: Scott and I do not have that problem. All of
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  Speaker 1: our names name exactly. Yeah, there's there's six first names
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  Speaker 1: on this side. Yeah, yeah, Scott, Alan, Brady, the whole
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  Speaker 1: first name. Yeah, that makes us. I think that makes
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  Speaker 1: us very suspect. Matt incredibly, that's the only thing that
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  Speaker 1: makes you. No, no, no, that's that's one of a
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  Speaker 1: long list. I guess Overland life kind of started for
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  Speaker 1: you with your sportsmobile.
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  Speaker 2: It did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you were in Portland, you were running what
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  Speaker 1: was the name of the shop that you were running?
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  Speaker 1: You or an outdoor industry buyer.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, at the time, I ran a large paddlesports retailer
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  Speaker 2: part of a big outdoor store. It was called Next
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  Speaker 2: Adventure still around, I think right, still around, still getting
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  Speaker 2: bigger and bigger. Yeah, they're killing it. So I moved
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  Speaker 2: about a two thousand square foot paddle sport department in
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  Speaker 2: the big out doorstores I think local ARII style thing.
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  Speaker 2: Took that little two thousand square foot to employee thing
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  Speaker 2: to a fifteen thousand square foot paddle sports center with
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  Speaker 2: sixteen employees and two vans and a rental program and
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  Speaker 2: three thousand plus students through a school a year. In
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  Speaker 2: about an under three year program, I took that thing
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  Speaker 2: from making okay money to making well over a million
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  Speaker 2: dollars a year.
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  Speaker 1: So it's good. That's pretty awesome. Yeah, I think that's
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  Speaker 1: one of the things for me is that is really
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  Speaker 1: interesting about you, Brian, is that you've gained a level
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  Speaker 1: of mastery and a bunch of totally disparate activities. So
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  Speaker 1: you've leveled. You've gained a significant level of mastery in
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  Speaker 1: water sports, you've gained a notable level of mastery as
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  Speaker 1: an automotive journalist. Then you've also started and run and
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  Speaker 1: grown businesses to a pretty significant degree of success. What
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  Speaker 1: would you say is the common thing amongst all of
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  Speaker 1: them about you that's allowed you to do.
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  Speaker 2: That, probably really enjoying and excelling when things are continuously
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  Speaker 2: moving and you have to react to it and have
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  Speaker 2: already planned ahead, had four or five plans enacted, and
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  Speaker 2: then deal with what's coming at you when it happens.
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  Speaker 2: It's in Whitewater, when you're in the middle of a
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  Speaker 2: rapid you're not turning around and going back. You're going
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  Speaker 2: downstream one way or the other at that point, and
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  Speaker 2: you've got to deal with what comes at you, whether
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  Speaker 2: you expected it or not. And I think it's the
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  Speaker 2: same with business.
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  Speaker 1: So you find yourself to be effective as a tactician
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  Speaker 1: or a planner, but then it seems like that you
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  Speaker 1: are certainly effective in the moment, like when something goes
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  Speaker 1: suddenly sideways or upside down. For sure, as businesses, as
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  Speaker 1: businesses and White Wi, I think Brian always has a plan.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Brian's helped me so much with my business
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  Speaker 1: and starting to venture imports and a variety of things
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  Speaker 1: because you plan.
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  Speaker 2: I'm decent at planning. I'm really good at situational awareness
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  Speaker 2: and having the knowledge and skill set from my history
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  Speaker 2: to deal with stuff that's happening at the time and
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  Speaker 2: in a super appropriate manner. That kind of is a
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  Speaker 2: plan for the future. So it might look like I
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  Speaker 2: have a plan, but it's just because I kind of
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  Speaker 2: made something happen on the fly back in the day
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  Speaker 2: that then created that situation.
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  Speaker 1: So a big toolbox for you based on all of
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  Speaker 1: those experiences.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, I think. Yeah. I think my
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  Speaker 2: experiences in business and running multiple businesses, running busess for
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  Speaker 2: other people, myself, all the above, paddle sports, action sports,
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  Speaker 2: that's all led to wanting to travel more and doing
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  Speaker 2: well and just figuring it out while on the road.
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  Speaker 2: I started out trying to be a professional photographer. I
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  Speaker 2: was twenty eleven. I'm like, no debt, but no money.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I had one hundred bucks in the bank,
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  Speaker 2: but I owned my sports on my used sports meal
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  Speaker 2: that I bought, sold off my car, sold off everything
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  Speaker 2: I had. I think I had like twelve hundred bucks
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  Speaker 2: I think in my bank account and my sports bill,
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  Speaker 2: but I had no bills. I mean I had a
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  Speaker 2: cell phone bill, car insurance, that's it. No other bills,
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  Speaker 2: No no Netflix, no Hulu, none of that stuff. To
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  Speaker 2: add to the to the monthly bills, and I just
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  Speaker 2: hit the road and I was like, I'll figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: I can. I can always go get a job if
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  Speaker 2: I have to and slow down. But the plan was
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  Speaker 2: to go see lots of stuff and kind of follow
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  Speaker 2: the season, ski, snowboard, kayak, do all the above, and
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  Speaker 2: try to be a professional outdoor industry photographer, especially action sports.
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  Speaker 2: I love ski, snowboard, kayaker out of my passions.
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  Speaker 1: What did you do before that, before that moment in time?
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  Speaker 1: What we find when we interview people, there's something either
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  Speaker 1: they hate their job or there's been a significant personal shift.
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  Speaker 1: What was the thing that brought you to that point
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  Speaker 1: to saying I'm going to leave with my van in
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  Speaker 1: twelve hundred dollars and go see the world or at
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  Speaker 1: least try.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the twelve months before that, it was kind of
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  Speaker 2: a TRIFECTA lost long term girlfriend, kind of we split
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  Speaker 2: win our different ways on a different coast at the time.
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  Speaker 2: And the second thing that happened was I was not
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  Speaker 2: getting kind of respect and monetary value for the job
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  Speaker 2: I was doing, even though I was making it huge.
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  Speaker 2: So I was making the same money managing two employees
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  Speaker 2: at thirty two hours a week as I was eighty
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  Speaker 2: hours a week managing sixteen employees. And sure, at some
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  Speaker 2: point you just sit back and go, this isn't going
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  Speaker 2: to work out long term. I'm wasting my time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: have time with that exactly. So yeah, I said, have
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  Speaker 2: fun with that essentially. And the other thing that happened,
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  Speaker 2: kind of the big thing that I always talk about
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  Speaker 2: is I had three pretty close friends pass away in
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  Speaker 2: short order. So understand six months, three friends, all younger
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  Speaker 2: than me, some substantially, some less, all three kind of
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  Speaker 2: doing what they love whitewater kayaking, freak accident there, and
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  Speaker 2: then one a South African friend, was actually rabies. So
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  Speaker 2: he took in a stray dog. It was licking him
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  Speaker 2: and he's a rancher, so his hands were all cut
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  Speaker 2: up and he contracted rabies through the cuts in his hands.
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  Speaker 2: Like they didn't know the dog at rabies at all
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  Speaker 2: until he contracted it. So but he, yeah, vegetable pretty
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  Speaker 2: quick and that was rough. And he was twenty two,
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  Speaker 2: I think, So Yeah, that kind of was a big
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  Speaker 2: impact in eye opener. It was like not a dead
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  Speaker 2: end job, but like I knew I wasn't going anywhere,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't getting kind of what I needed out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Saw people that were living life to the fullest that
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  Speaker 2: were gone, and I was like, it's time to do
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  Speaker 2: something different with my life. Time is the most valuable
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  Speaker 2: resource we all have, the one thing we can't get back.
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  Speaker 2: We can always earn more money or do this or
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  Speaker 2: do that, but time is you never know. So it
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  Speaker 2: was time to hit the road and do something different.
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  Speaker 2: And that was I didn't know what I would do,
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  Speaker 2: but it was in a situation where I didn't have
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  Speaker 2: kind of I don't want to say baggage with the
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  Speaker 2: baggage of pets or property or significant others or anything
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  Speaker 2: else and debt, so I didn't have that. I paid
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  Speaker 2: it all off with a bunch of work and was
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  Speaker 2: just ready to do something different. Fresh start.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, amazing. And I guess prior to that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you brought up kind of friends in South African stuff.
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  Speaker 1: You paddled like the Zambezy. I remember you tell me
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  Speaker 1: this one story where you hit the side of your
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  Speaker 1: kayaks so the hippos don't come after you.
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  Speaker 2: One hundred percent when you paddle the flat water on
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  Speaker 2: the lower Zambezi, which isn't run that often. The inner Gorge.
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  Speaker 2: The upper section just below Victoria Falls is pretty commonly
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  Speaker 2: run and that's the harder rapids and that's why people
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  Speaker 2: run in It's really hard and really fun as from
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  Speaker 2: an experienced kayaker point of view. But further down it's
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  Speaker 2: flattered between the rapids longer, and that's where all the
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  Speaker 2: hippos are and the freshwater crocks. So yeah, you paddle
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  Speaker 2: in those pools together in a group with the kayaks
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  Speaker 2: really close together, and every other stroke you tap the
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  Speaker 2: boat with the paddle and it makes enough noise all
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  Speaker 2: together that it makes you seem really big. And then
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  Speaker 2: they don't mess with you, you hope. So I know a
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  Speaker 2: friend that got eaten by a freshwater crocks, so's it's
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  Speaker 2: a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't. They don't have, you know, a high
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  Speaker 1: discernment of prey, so like anything that looks like protein
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  Speaker 1: is prey.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, for sure. The Zambiz is amazing, Like if
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  Speaker 2: you ever get a chance, if you're not a kyaker,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, go raft it though, even if you're
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  Speaker 2: not a kayaker, like epic, epic place to be as
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  Speaker 2: a kayaker. The rafts don't go here, but up the
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  Speaker 2: rapids are numbered one through I forget what it is
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  Speaker 2: twenty something, and there's negative rapids, and the negative rapids
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  Speaker 2: are below Victoria Falls, like directly below where it flows,
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  Speaker 2: and the falls fall off the rocks, and you have
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  Speaker 2: to actually paddle upstream and kind of do a portage
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  Speaker 2: and then ferry across the current to get up there.
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  Speaker 2: So rafts don't really go there. But I stood in
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  Speaker 2: that area, saw some friends around the minus rapids. I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: It's really really hard, like class five plus plus plus
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  Speaker 2: plus plus. It was amazing, I guess some amazing images
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  Speaker 2: as a photographer, but I got to stand under one
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  Speaker 2: of the smaller waterfalls falling off Victoria Falls, like directly
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  Speaker 2: under it, and that was just like a super moving
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  Speaker 2: experience for me, Like that's a place that so very
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  Speaker 2: few people have been. It's one of the many things
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  Speaker 2: in my life that really connected me to white Water
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  Speaker 2: as a thing to go explore places on the planet
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  Speaker 2: that other people just haven't been, or very very few
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  Speaker 2: people have been. Being on the river and traveling by
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  Speaker 2: water is a unique perspective on the world and it's
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  Speaker 2: just really cool, especially really remote creeks. Kind Of early on,
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  Speaker 2: I studied abroad in Tasmania and Australia, and there's this
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  Speaker 2: really remote creek that had been run once before and
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  Speaker 2: it poured rain for like five days and it went
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  Speaker 2: it started flowing, and I had all my friends there,
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  Speaker 2: like dragging out of bed in the morning super early.
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  Speaker 2: We went out there and did it. It was way above
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  Speaker 2: my head still level wise at the time, and probably
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't been there. It was pouring rain all day, but
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  Speaker 2: I ran in like inappropriate gear of rapids above my head,
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  Speaker 2: like in the middle of nowhere. They're not going to
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  Speaker 2: get help. There's no cell service. We didn't have garment
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  Speaker 2: in reaches back then, and just the teamwork and being
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  Speaker 2: in those places was just the most special thing and
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  Speaker 2: that's what really hooked me. And I'm like, Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to travel the world to do this because it's
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  Speaker 2: going to take me places that others don't go.
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  Speaker 1: And I like that. I mean, it's always been interesting,
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  Speaker 1: like as a friend, you know, we've been friends for
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  Speaker 1: a while now, and just there's always like a there's
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  Speaker 1: always a new layer of Brian Dor. You're like a
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  Speaker 1: very complicated, slightly salty onion. Salty for sure, salty. Anybody
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  Speaker 1: that knows Brian will be laughing right now. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: you've done the Zambz. I know, I know prior to that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you are involved with importing kayaks and kayak equipment.
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  Speaker 1: That was a big part of your life prior to that.
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  Speaker 1: So let's let's let's fast forward to what we initially
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  Speaker 1: talked about. Was was the Sportsobile, you love vans for
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  Speaker 1: some reason.
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you're like, you're like pre pre all of
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  Speaker 1: this van life thing. Oh, totally pre van life, pre
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  Speaker 1: van life. Yeah, you get this. It was it was
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  Speaker 1: four wheel drive, right, yes, yeah, so with four wheel drive, it.
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  Speaker 2: Was a four quickly four wheel drive on thirty three's
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  Speaker 2: extended body E three fifty with seven three Diesel. It's
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  Speaker 2: a full sports Mael build.
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  Speaker 1: So it had a have a pop top or a
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  Speaker 1: solid top.
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  Speaker 2: Pop top nice for me. Pop tops required because I
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  Speaker 2: roofs are for adventure gear. Sure, so a full height
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  Speaker 2: one you just get too high. I want to be
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  Speaker 2: able to fit down trail.
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  Speaker 1: It makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: I'm always on the pop top.
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  Speaker 1: I remember being you know when I because we kind
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  Speaker 1: of got into the overlan world right about the same Similarly,
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  Speaker 1: I found each other pretty quick became friends, been friends since,
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  Speaker 1: been to each other's weddings. Actually, both of you guys
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  Speaker 1: were the only non family I had on my side
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  Speaker 1: at the wedding.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing wedding. If you guys haven't talked about that yet, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we did talk about it a little bit. I mean
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  Speaker 2: it was the most beautiful wedding. It was a scene for.
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  Speaker 1: Thirteen people. You needed a four whel drive to get there.
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  Speaker 1: You needed four wheel drive to get there. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was always eleven five hundred fears incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Two month old baby did really well at eleven dozen.
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  Speaker 1: Yea was the star of the show.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Dak was. Dak was loved by everybody.
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  Speaker 1: We did meet My dog and I had matching suits.
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  Speaker 1: You did. That was that was class. That was That
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  Speaker 1: was pretty cool. That was we just we just valued
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  Speaker 1: what we valued value group of friends. And then we
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  Speaker 1: spent the money on our ridiculous honeymoon and traveling because
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  Speaker 1: after all this COVID stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Sportsman was before times, back in twenty eleven,
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  Speaker 2: and that was like, honestly that came about it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about Overland World or the You're
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  Speaker 2: overland Yeah, like overland no anymore, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I'm overlanding has been like this has been a tool
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  Speaker 1: and a general industry that has allowed you to do
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: other activities.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: I love automotive stuff as a kid. I'm a sports
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: car guy for ari guy the whole nine yards. But
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: I was never like way into four by fours or
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: I camped. I own boy scouts and camped in tents and stuff.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know that I'm an overlander. I
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: want to live in a van down by the river,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: like straight up. That was me. That was like, put
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: the kayaks on there and chase the rain and go
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: find rivers all over the planet. We're skiing, I mean water,
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: the cycle of water, right, whether it's frozen or not.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: I enjoy using gravity and going down it.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Mmmm. You're kind of like the actual definition of overlanding.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people call themselves that, but
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: you're actually doing vehicle based adventure travel. That's like literally
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: what you did.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: So it totally depends on the definition, right, Because for
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: my first a lot of years, I lived about eight
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: years full time in the road between twenty eleven and
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen something, so seven something years I lived in
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: a couple different vehicles, but started with the sports bhill
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: for a few years, and it was chasing water and
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: doing all that. But the automotive stuff was a tool
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: to go do the adventure. That was just a way
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: to live cheap so I could do the adventures. I
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: lived under the poverty line for five six years and
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: sort of by choice, Like I could have gone out
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: and made more money. I had made more money before
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: I started on the road. It was enough to keep
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: doing what I wanted to do and hone my skills
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: in photography, learn a lot about off road, off road
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: travels or recovery and all that kind of thing, how
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: to drive off road and how to live in a
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: camper and all that kind of thing. And then you know,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: the next step was the sportsmobile was old and little rusty.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: To build another vehicle and that was like the big
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: the big next move, so an one dodge ram.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: How would you before we moved to that next section.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: This is really interesting to me when you talk about
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: living below the poverty line. I think we get a
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: lot of matt and I get a lot of questions
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: about how do I afford to do this? Or I
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: can't I can't do this? Because I can't afford it.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: That's really interesting to me. Would you mind talking a
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: little bit about how you did that, how you made
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: decisions financially where you could go and travel and live
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: on a van down by the river, below the poverty line.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I think the key to that, and that's always the
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: question is like how do you do it? They don't
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: mean how you do it, they mean how do you
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: afford it? And the reality of that is, if it's
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: a priority, you afford it. It's not that complicated. Everybody
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: makes it a thing, and it's usually because they have
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: hang ups with societal norms and laws. So like I
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: want to own property, Oh, I got this house, Like
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I can't leave, I can't go do anything. I gotta
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: pay my mortgage. Well, you can rent it out, there's ways, right,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: or you can sell it. You don't need to own that.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: You don't neither the white picket fence, or I got kids,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I can't travel. We all know plenty of Yeah.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: We were literally just having a margarite with Graham and
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Louisa Belle. Absolutely raise their children, raise their children like
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the rest of the world. Amazing kids, absolutely totally amazing,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: super well adjusted, funny. Yeah, again, all of those are
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: just excuses because the priority isn't to go travel and
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: do that. They might aspire to it, but that's not
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: the priority in life. The priority is like, well, we
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: want a stable school life, and we want this and
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: we want that, and that's fine. That's That's the thing
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people got to get
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: over is like find the path that works for you
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: in life at that time. I mean, my life's changed
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: dramatically recently and I'm fine with it.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: It's a new path. Priories change, it'll change again.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: You have a rad garage now too.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I have if I'm living, if I have a reformat
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have a toy box garage. That's required.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: It's like in like, I feel like in a year
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Brian went from like living in a van down by
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: the river to having a nice house all the things
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: and all having Alexis and this awesome garage and a
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: nine to eleven Turbo, And I think it just kind
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: of goes to to show the capability of you as
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: a person, you know. I Mean, one of the things
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I've always thought about you, Brian is that you talk
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: about what you're just saying with priorities and what you
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: value and things, and you know, you're a highly intelligent
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: person that has been able to figure out how to
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: do whatever they want whenever they want. And that's sort
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: of that's well, and that's the definition of wealth. And
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of times, yeah, exactly, people confuse being rich
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: with being wealthy. Being rich means that you have a lot,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: you spend a lot of money, So that means you're
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Some people make a million dollars a year and they
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: spend one point two million. They're very rich. But the
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: person who is wealthy is doing what they want to
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: do when they want to do it. Sometimes doing what
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: you want to do requires more money than someone else
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: because what they want to do is different. But that's
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: really the only true definition of wealth is being able
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: to do what you want when you want. And you
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: did that, so you were very, very wealthy, much more
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: so than most Americans for sure.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it wasn't money. It was not rich part
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: of wealthy for sure, but yeah, and then actual dollars
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: and cents in how to make it work right is
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: to piece the puzzle together to be you have your
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: fingers in a million different things, or be really good
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: at one thing that pays well and do that on
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the road. But that is hard. It's not for everybody
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: to do. I went the route of putting my fingers
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: and everything because I wanted to be a photographer. That
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: was my goal. In today's world, everybody wants everything. So
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: you get to be a good photographer, get paid for it,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: and get INDs with editors and everything else. You have
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: to also be a good writer, maybe be a personality,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: maybe have a social media presence, maybe have video and
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: YouTube stuff going on. There's a lot of facets to
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: marketing yourself these days, especially in the media world, and
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: the media landscape continually changes as we all know, so yeah,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: it's just piecing it together. So I did commercial photography,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I did editorial photography, I did editorive photography and writing.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Eventually got into editing other people's stories, doing copyright or
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: copy editing and doing that stuff for brands as well
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: as you doing a bit of like marketing consulting, was
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: social media management marketing consulting. So I have a entrepreneurial
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: a bit was it a Bachelor of Science in Business
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Administration with the concentration of entrepreneurial marketing, Like that's the
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: degree I bs. I have lots of bs, a whole
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: lot of that. So yeah, so I mean that whole table,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: the whole table. I hired myself out of college and
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: started my own company, and so I used my degree.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I think just finding your own path and figuring it
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: out is the puzzle. So events management, work, run some
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: people's social media, take some photos over here for a company,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: and he takes write some stories and take some cool
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: photos on your adventures and sell those just some magazines.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Print always pays a little more than online, So just
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: kind of piece it all.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: The cool The cool thing you've always done is you've
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: always been like really diversified in your work. And I
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: think that's been the key to you having been able
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: to do this for so long. Right, Like obviously there's
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: been changes you know that that that you wanted and
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: in recent times, but I think you know the lesson.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: You know, as we were talking about, well how do
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: you do it? So many people will will put all
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: of their eggs in one basket. They you know, they
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: have a job with Google or some tech company or
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: something and they get to work remotely and that is
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: it for them. That is there, that is their one
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: income source. And as soon as that job changes, or
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: they don't like that job or something. You know, their
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: priority still maybe was their career or something else. And
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I think what you said was smart is like what
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: is your actual figure out your actual priority, and then
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: the kind of make it work from there. And I
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: think by diversifying, you know, you did that.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: By diversifying, it gives you the freedom and flexibility to
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: make it work as your priorities change. I think it's
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: a really that's a really good segue into just a
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: little piece of kind of the recent history. Is April
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty, like the world was ending, right, everything is
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: shut down, maybe not down here in Arizona, but everywhere
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: else in the world, well, certainly Partland where you are. Yeah,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: in Portland, Oregon, where I think.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: It felt like the end of days in Portland then
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: it did.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was before a lot of the protests and
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: riots and stuff. But yeah, April twenty twenty, I lost
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: about eighty percent of my income within a week and
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: a half. So every outdoor industry company and some companies
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: in this space that I was running social media for
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: and doing corporate photography or commercial photography for, they laid
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: off all their freelancers and like thirty forty percent of
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: their staff right. Everybody was getting laid off at the time,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: so Freelanch is the first to go because they're not
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: on salary and in house. And then all events were canceled.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: So I helped run the Northwest Overland Rally, help with
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: the BC Rally, teach sometimes at over the Expo and
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, so run some music festivals. For operations management,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: all that stuff gone disappeared instantly, right So right around
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Apri everybody canceled everything for at least the next six months.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: So I'm looking at it like wow, all right, but
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: luckily the company that again it's being diverse and knowing people.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: It's all about connections, right, like you get in the
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: you get your door in your foot in the door
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: places and prove that you can create and deliver whatever
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: this they're looking for. So I was working for gear
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: junkie dot Com at the time, big outdoor industry site,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: and I've always positioned myself as the guide between automotive
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: and outdoor adventure, and that's what I do. I love
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: being outside and doing active adventure sports and human powered stuff,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: but using vehicles to do really fun trips to get there.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Is awesome, and you kind of need vehicles to carry
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: kayaks around because they're not very good on a motorcycle.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I've tried, I have done it. So yeah, it worked
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: out where like a week later, I got a full,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: my first in my life like salary job with benefits
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: running a site called autowise dot com and being the
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: motors editor over at gear Junkie. So it was a
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: huge change for me. But I worked it out in
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: my contract because I brought so much to the table
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: with my industry experience and connections that I can still
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: freelance forever. So I still have fingers and everything. I
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: still help with events when they happen, hopefully more so
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: here coming up soon. Do lots of social media stuff
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: a little bit. I'm getting out of that a little
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: bit again. I'm trying to refocus on my photography because
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: that's what my passion is, so my free time stuff.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I was just out shooting truck this morning for a
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: print magazine.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're shooting Mario's new Terra. Yeah, the new Terra
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: at Overland. Yeah, very cool camper.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Very slick.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: He just showed that off at Overland Expo, and yeah,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: we took it out in the mountains and got some
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: really cool shots this morning, some neat clouds with the weather,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: and that'll go in print. I'm the feature editor at
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Tread magazine, so that's kind of my print job, but
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: still keep my finger in that and then it'll go
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: on gear Junkie as well. We got an exclusive back
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: in the day from Mario with some of the cad
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: drawings and stuff, so it kind of debuted that online,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: which was super cool to show that off to the
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: outdoor audience. And that camper is really fun for four
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: season everything like that should be pretty sweet as a
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: ski lodge for sure.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: And it's fairly priced too. I mean to.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Get an expensive but fairly price in this industry.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: And really will make compare it you pay for a
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: lot of it is never cheap dred percent. I mean,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: like my at camper, I have like the summit, and
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: that thing has just been a a bomber. Another bomber.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've had mine airborne a lot for sure.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Those pop top style truck campers are pretty amazing. There's
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: a huge variety, huge variety of companies out there. An
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: article I wrote for a gear Junkie I think in
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, I did a roundup of all of those
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: and it's it's one of the top performing stories still
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: to this day on gear junkie dot com. I know
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: xbision portal has a very similar one where you guys
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: got to test everyone and I've had my hands on
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: everyone that I wrote about in that article, and those
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: are the top two on a Google search for that product.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I am not the top Google search for that product.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: You are not.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I'm disappointed.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: We'll have to try to sneak again.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: It's priorities. Many have other priorities like dak Yea Laura
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Lovely Greyhound rescue Greyhounds. You love your baby, deck baby
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: boy dek Snood season has started in the greyhound world.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: What is this? They're like a sock that goes over
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: their neck keeps them warm and you can put it
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: over their little cute ears.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: I saw you putting that on the dog this morning.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, snood seasons fall has begun. The things you learn
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: hey on the Order land Dural podcast. Yeah, gund about
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: snoods right now, man, I.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Mean you got to keep you grey hand warm when
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: you're overlanding. That's right.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Ex everybody's going, you know when when we were over
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: in the Overland Expo. Oh, whose car is this? My dogs?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: What that one? My dogs? They're all outfitted for my dog.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I mean the LJ it's basically a moving dog bed.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, we talk on a regular basis about all
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: of your new vehicles and which ones you're getting next,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: and it's always, well, no load, no lay flat seats,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: we can't have that one dock.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like ther g wagon just makes me so angry
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: that it does not have a flat loading floor, because
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: because Da does in the very back, doesn't it. Yeah,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: but he will not tolerate that.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know how it used to it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Like if Aaron got a new car and you had
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: to exclusively sit in a third row seat. I think
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: it's true, this is true. You would be hurt. Yeah,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: this is my little boy hurt.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Well, the new Bentley will work for you, just you know,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: just so you know, the Bentley Continental has a nice
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: loaf lay flat, like you put a buld dog bed
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I can tell you from experience that a greyhound does
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: not fit in a Bentley Continental GT.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: The new one. It might the Benega for sure, Okay,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: all right, ben Tega is an interesting choice that'll be
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: fun for some offroad adventures I'm in.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I'll just really they're just really ugly. Oh, Like the front,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: like directly from the front is okay, but any other
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: angle is not okay. It's just kind of like.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: The rear haunches are a little enough.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like the middle aged woman of cars.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I like the front fenders, though nothing's.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Anything wrong with the middle aged woman's What did you
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: mean by that, man? I don't really know. Actually, now
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: that I think of it, I'm gonna.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Drink some more of your cheap Russian beer over there,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: you know, for you.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Do the Russians? Do? The Russians own flu Ribbons established
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, eighteen forty four. What I read on Facebook
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: is true, even if it came from the Russians. You
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: haven't even opened.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Your beer, No, I haven't.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Brian, Brian is the only one that's actually smart at
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: this table. Here's something to know about Brian. He he
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: is the most pretentious beer person I've ever met in
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: my life. Like, he doesn't live in Oregon. I mean,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: is this like a surprise? I mean, like, does he
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: want like a kambucha delivered by subru micro brew made
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: by I don't know. I don't know what you do.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: And you like dark beers. I like dark and your
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: beer the beers you like are as dark as my soul.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Your soul might be a little dark, just a little
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: bit cool. Thanks bro on that.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: On that note, thought about it. Dark beer is the
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: key porter stout, sparel aged like multi, multi levels of
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: flavor in your mind.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: So what's your favorite beer? Because you do like that
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: beer app?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. Untapped. Untapped, that's the beer app.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: So you can look it up and it'll give you
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the tasting notes and flavors and rankings, and.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: It does that a little bit. I use it as
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: a ranking thing so I can look up if I
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: had already had that beer or not, if it was
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: any good?
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, when you thought of it?
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: What I thought of it?
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Interesting?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: You rank it and you can leave notes and stuff.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, Roger.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: So it's fun because I travel a lot, and when
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I do, I tend to eat at breweries a lot
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: because I get a sampler, enjoy all the all the
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: local beers.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: But yeah, speaking of you eating, you now eat vegetables some.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I'm still a weird, picky eater.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: That's You're the like anybody that actually knows Brian that's
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: listening to this podcast will be laughing right now. I've
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: never seen Brian be picky. Oh dear god. No. I
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: mean we've had many dinners together, and have you lived
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: with Brian different continents. No. But I'm just telling you, like,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe the menu helps because then you can kind
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: of figure out what's in each thing. But I've never
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: seen you be Brian has married a vegan. I have,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and Brian has essentially become vegan.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: No, not even close. I had a flame andon wrapped
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: in bacon the other day, like three days.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because because you weren't around, Kate, I know you.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I would eat it in front.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: You're like me when I get loose from Laura and
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I like pretend to be cool and drink beers, but
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: at home, I like drink Seltzer water.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: That's proble with my dog. I've seen that happen. Yeah,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: that was That was last night.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: It was within twenty four hours of eight thirty.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I came home later. And you are an old soul, Matt.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I rather and I've noticed that from the very beginning
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: at twenty one, you were like the only consistent thing
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: in my life since I've been twenty one.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Perhaps it has been owned by people in different continents,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: but you've continued drinking it either way.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: You know, and I'm disgusting. I like it slightly warm. Oh.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: One of the best photos I have of Matt Scott
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: is the Northwest over Len Rally. He was He flew
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: in for the event and he was given a press car,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: a range Rover maybe autobiography beautiful car, beautiful car.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I remember this.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: On his way, he had his flip flops on, he
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: had shorts on, he had probably a Hawaian print shirt on,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: and he rolls up with a twenty.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Four pack of it was a thirty rack bro. I'm sorry,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I'm not at a time PBR still came in thirty round.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I'm not up on my PBR program. Here rolls up
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: and I just I walk up to him. The first
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: guy I sees him sitting on the tailgate of a
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: range Rover sport with his leg dangling off cracking.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: A PBR showed up in the Northwest over Land Rally.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: It was it was quintessential champagne budget PBR taste. Sometimes, yes,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: sometimes he does love his rose too. I'm a rose slut, yes,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: most gingers are.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I drank the Four Seasons Tanzania Safari Lodge out of rose.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: That does not surprise me. Yeah yeah, that was mine. Like,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: we're so sorry, mister Scott.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: They didn't fly in more rose for you.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I mean they literally sent someone to RuSHA Yeah.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: If anybody knows Tanzania, that's a way they understand that one.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: It's a ways sampagne budget. Sometimes well points are awesome.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: I'm a points ho I know, you know, like good.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: But back to food. I am a super picky eater,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: always have been meat, cheese, bread kind of guy. If
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: there's any color on my plate, I probably didn't eat
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: it. It was all brown, right, you want the rainbow on
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: your plate to eat healthy, and I didn't really do
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: that for a long time. But on the flip side,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I don't ever do fast food. I don't drink SODA's,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: I don't drink energy drinks. I keep away from sugar generally.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I do a sweet tooth, but I try to not
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: get into that too much. I don't eat candy or
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: things like that. I love ice cream and escakes. My weakness, gotcha,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I don't do it that often. Matt Scott's on beer
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: number two. And I married a beautiful vegan and she
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: beautiful vegan, beautiful vegan. It's great.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: It sucks Kate after this, like Ryan married a beautiful vegan.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: My wife, Kate is a vegan. And yeah, she's been
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: great because she's really open my eye. I've always wanted
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: to eat more healthy and more vegetables, but I'm just
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: a picky eater and don't like most of that. But
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: she amazingly. We at home, we don't eat meat at all,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: like not vegan, vegetarian, like we put cheese on it.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I just remember, like we just had lunch with the Bells,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Ashley and Richard Giordano. There's a whole grouping of Overlin
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: people sitting right outside of that door, and I think
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: you were eating a plate.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Of chips after the carp Did you take the pickled
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: cabbage off? Yes, Okay, he's not.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Actually, I'm I'm with Brian on this one. I mean,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: because Aaron is vegetarian, she will eat fish, so I
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: don't eat. I mean I feel better eating less meat
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: in my diet. It doesn't mean that when I go
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: out to a dinner that I don't every once in
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: a while have steak I've never really liked chicken. I've
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: never really liked kind of a diseased meat. Like if
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: you're going to get sick from one meat, that's my
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: thought it's gonna be. And it's also it's also kind
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: of wholesale slaughter. I mean, like one meal is one chicken.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Like it's just like you can feed a family for
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: a year off of one cow. Yeah, so to me,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: it seems like there's left. Let's just overall death happen.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: There's this place that that ranches Spanish cows out by
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: where we live, the Aravoka Float. Yeah, and we should
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: split a cow. We should local meat. No, the Fokka float,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the Bacca floats, so hard to find good meat. Yeah,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I'm into it. I'm totally down with that. But I
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: get I get it, and I think you're right. I mean,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I have felt healthier, I mean for the last even
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: in a previous relationship, vegetarian, and I think eating that
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: way for now years, I feel better overall than when
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I was eating meat all the time. So I don't
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: know that I would ever stop eating bacon. But see,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not that big of a bacon guy. I think
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: bacon's quite pod Yeah, I'm just got fired from your
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: own podcast. I don't know. It's like, it's okay, I get,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I get. Everybody's got a different thing.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: So bacon is the one thing that most vegetarians and
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: vegans will crack on. Kate will not.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: But Aaron Erin has said that she's like, if I
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: was ever going to have meat, it would be bacon.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: That would be the one thing. People who think bacon
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: is great and it's like their their die all meat
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: have not had two things Korean fried chicken and pork belly. Oh,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: pork belly is pretty special. Pork pork belly is pretty
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: much bacon.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Let's be straight.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: It all makes sense, it all makes sense. But it's
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: like bacon plus it's like it's like I'm gonna only
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: drive a Ford Mustang and then they've never driven like
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: a I don't know, like a Kia or something that's better.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Krispy Pepper. Bacon is better than pork belly. I know's
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: it's not the probably right opinion, but it's my opinion.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it's too fast. You know who those meats is?
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: The Koreans. Oh yeah, for sure, no doubt. My cousin's
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: wife is Korean and we went to Seoul with them
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and I had the meat sweats for a week solid.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Like we'd go to like we'd go to like we'd
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: go to like these meat markets, and then above of
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: the meat market are these like restaurants with the you know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the Korean barbecue things, and they bring the kim chiese
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and the little sides and stuff. I have never seen a
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: little Korean woman eat so much. I mean, Brian, she
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: could out bacon you. So me is a cool.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Chick, no doubt.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go, and I'm ready to go to
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: sold now.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: To be honest, to be honest with soul. Like as
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: far as eating, I think if you're not like a
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: super super adventurous eater, I think that Koreans have a
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: more similar palate to Americans than most other Asian countries. Interesting,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: like but they'll they're perfectionists, right, Like they will take
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: fried chicken, which was kind of well fried chickens everywhere,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: but like American style fried chicken, and then they'll take
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: it like to the next levels. It's twice fried, so
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: it's fried chicken that's not terrible. Like if you have KFC,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: now you're gonna be like, hey, that's yeah. I'm just
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: saying like they're like the you like, the only fast
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: food chain that is anywhere and everywhere in the world,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Kentucky Chicken, Kentucky. It's insane and I did not know
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: that until I started traveling. You would think it'd be McDonald's. Nope,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: you go to Iceland, there's no McDonald's.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Therefc, KFC and Burger Kings been owned by the same company. Yeah,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: and pizza.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: When when Chris Cordes and I went to went to
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: China together, it was like we went from looking at
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: frogs for sale in the market right next to a KFC.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Chicken tasted like people love chicken.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Here's the Here's the top secret Asian best food. One
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: of the best meals I've had in my life. Nice
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Eco Japan. There's eight types of ramen in the world,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: and one of them comes from nice Eco Japan, and
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: you can't get it anywhere else. We've tried to make
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: it at home, and Kate does a good job, but
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: it's not quite right potato ramen.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: If you asked Laura very nicely, I'm sure she would
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: be able to make it. This.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: This girl requires special tools.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: She makes she has the presence. She has like the
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: noodle things, she has the foamer.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: The folmer is the key.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: No, no, there's a foamer thing. Like weren't we just talking.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: About this last line? You're like, you should tear that
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: wall down in your house, and I'm like, I guarantee
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: you by the end of the year that will be
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: filled with like some kind of specialty kitchen equipment. There's
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: going to be.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: As a large kitchen and lots and lots of storage,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: like a lot, and there's a wall between half a
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: wall between the kitchen and the living room. And I'm like, yeah,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: it'd be better if that was like down, you know,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: that's true. No, that's true, so you could cook and
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: watch them like I kind of agree.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: But you also don't eat the food that I do
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: every night, that's true. So yeah, priorities. So on the
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: food thing, since you just talked about eating healthy and
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: no fast food, I think that the one question I
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: wanted to ask. There was several, but the one that
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: was most important to me is how do you how
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: do you rank being physically fit for travel? Because it's
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: it's an interesting thing that I've encountered in my in
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: my travels. I always try to maintain a base level
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: of fitness and strength. I mean big spare tires and
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: all these things that we have to do recoveries and
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: everything else moving the luggage around. Which big spare tires?
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Can we talk about the ones that we boll Yeah,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: that's why I can carry a spare tires and maintain
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: a level of fitness. So I try to maintain like
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: enough fitness to be an effective traveler. But how have
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: you found that being really adventure ready, like at your
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: level of fitness, how has that changed your travels and
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: what would you recommend people consider around fitness for overland travel.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow, I mean my fitness ebbs and flows for sure,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: And it's usually based on injuries, whether injuries from adventure
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: sports or old injuries from adventure sports that pop back up.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: My back's destroyed, and so like right now, I'm super unfit. Really,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I haven't been working out much at all, but I've
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: been traveling a ton, and I always feel worse when
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I don't work out and I'm not ready for the
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: adventure because I tend to go and do. When I
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: go and do things, I don't kind of do them halfway,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: like I haven't been mountain biking a while, and I'm like, okay,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go solo the Watsatz crestrail. I'll be fine
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: on thousand vertical ascent, thirty eight hundred down double black
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: downhill trails or whatever on my enduro bike. It's fine,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: and it works out fine, and I do it and
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I have fun. But when you get to the bottom
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: and you try to wake up the next day and
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: you can't get out of bed because your back doesn't work,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: it's kind of rough. Ame all one hundred percent. But
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: last summer I ran my first Ultra, so like sixty
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: plus miles and I was like, in the best shape
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: of my life.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that for your fortieth birthday?
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for my fortieth birthday. Always want that fascinating run
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: an Ultra Before I turned forty and COVID hit and
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: the world ended, so there was no events, so I
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: just decided to do it myself anyway. So I went
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: and did the right of a Portland in Forest Park.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: There's the Wildwood Trail and it's thirty point two miles
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: each way and a huge ascent I forget, but totally
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: it goes up and over this kind of huge, illuptipitic mansion.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: And I did that out and back, so sixty point
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: four miles and it hurt, but I did solo. I
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: had a couple of friends hop in and kind of
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: pace me a little bit and make sure I didn't
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: die too much. I fell over on a true route
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: once on the way back because I was just not
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: operating at full capacity at like fifty something miles.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: What qualifies as an ultra marathon?
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Anything over a marathon is technically twenty six points Okay,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: it's technically an ultra, I got it. So like a
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: fifty k is like thirty point thirty one.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: What's the general standard like when people really start to
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: see that being as legit.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: My personal standard, which I always hold myself way too
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: high of a standard, is fifty miles or longer.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, so essentially twice a marathon.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I wanted to go run fifty plus miles
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: in under twelve hours. That was my goal in a race.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: There's no races, so I just did it myself, and
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: this just was an easy goal. It was like five
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: miles from my house. My wife supported me along the way.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: She'd joined. Like it crosses a couple of roads, and
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: the rest of the time you're in the woods and
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: she'd stop and give me some more water, food or
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: a change of clothes. At halfway I got all fresh clothes,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: which was amazing because it was the middle of the summer.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Milligallizes it super hot. Yeah, it was. It was a blast.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I mean I always said I wouldn't do it again
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: when I when I was finished it, But it's just
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: like marathon, It's like, oh yeah, I'll do another one.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Why not? So the next goal is under twenty four
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: hour hundred miler at some point, I'm not in shape
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: right now to do it, but that's it'll be. It's
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: on the bucket list.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: And would that would be a trail race or do
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: you want to do something that's more flat? And I mean,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: what's your what's your goal on that hot milor.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I very much like running in the woods more than
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: just pounding pavement, and my joints and old man back
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: very much appreciate trail over gotcha, So I don't. And
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I like the type two suffering when it comes to
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: the elevation change. So trail run for sure, but hopefully
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: not at out suit because that hurts me. I live
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: at sea level right now, but coming up here even
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: to press getting stuff five to seven thousand foot between
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: here and flag and even at Matt's wedding at like
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: eleven thousand foot and I did like an eighteen mile
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: bike ride the morning.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: All you needed was one of these.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one pbr Yeah that was so I got up
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: super early the morning of Matt's wedding and did an
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: eighteen plus mile bike ride with like fourteen hundred vertical
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: ascent and twenty eight down. It was. It was rough.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: It hurt at eleven thousand feet. So again, being adventure ready,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: like you said, is for me. I do I try
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: to do when I'm working out a lot. I try
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: to every day do push ups. Every time I go
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: in and out of my room. I have a pull
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: up bar on my office in the doorway and try
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: to hammer out a couple of pull ups.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: That's smart, just kind of a good foot.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I got a little campus board in the entrance way
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: to my grie so it's the same kind of thing.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Like every time I go in and out, I try
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: to at least to a pull And.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: That's that's the little like climbing with a bunch of
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: different holes on is that what that's exactly Yea.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: We could get those here when you have above the door.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: We have a gym next door that none of us use.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: We also have an electric scooter or a gas station
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: to get red bulls.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: That's like me wanting I really want to one wheel.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: They're really really fun. Yeah, but if I got one,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I would never walk. I hate walking. I'll run, but
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I hate walking.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: It's boring. I don't moving your legs about is just
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: it hurts, like the very nineteenth century, like.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Like biking and running. Bicycling and running are like a
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: good speed. You can see the world at a really
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: good pace.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Ye Do you kind of think hiking's boring? I always
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: think hiking's boring sometimes.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Like hiking is ridiculously boring unless it's somewhere really special
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: the only way to get there and get some epic photo.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: How would you ever get a date on Tender if
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: you didn't have hiking in your profile? I'm I'm pre
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: tender and I'm done with that. Did you ever have
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: to do Tinder? I did? Yeah, yeah I never did.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: You had to have hiking on there, you have to
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't love hiking. Oh you didn't know hiking? How
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: many dates did you get? The first date was hiking,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: that's the best part. But then but then you ended
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: up meeting a lovely wife, like through friends. I believe
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: that she liked your jacket at a mutual friend's wedding
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: or something. She thought I looked outdoorsy with my she said.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: She told she she told us the story, and she's like,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: was that good looking outdoorsy guy.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: A mutual friend's wedding? Yeah, but didn't meet her there,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: that's the fun part. She stalked me afterwards, and then
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: then we did it. I never saw I never saw
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: her at the wedding. I kind of feel bad about that. Actually,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: she was hanging out with her mom, and I was
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: hanging out with like a group of friends that I've
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: had for longer than any other friends that I know other.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Associated women you met on tender. There was no time
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: to hit me, Kate. Don't on the fitness thing, because
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: this is something that Scott and I will never be
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: able to answer for our readers.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Ever, that's fit. I don't know what you're talking about
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: me right now.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Sure, so as long as it doesn't involve the running part, yeah, okay,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: So let's just not put Matt in that position of
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: choosing between friends Scott.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Scott beat me on the Trek expedition by like one
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: hundred feet. We went different ways, so I don't know
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: who was fast.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: In running or like like like highlift Jack wins.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: It was a navigation running thing and he'd be like
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: one hundred feet to the cars, but a different route,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: So I don't know whose was longer. So I don't
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: know who you might I think you chose the better route,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: so that made him faster.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: So he's smarter runner than me.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I did start ahead of you too, so that's that
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: that helped as well. We're going to take a brief
• 45:30
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  Speaker 1: you're living on the road, if you're doing a van life,
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  Speaker 1: what are like, what are three easy things to stay
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  Speaker 1: you know, because not everybody can bring a bike with
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: them because they do take up a lot of space.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they can't rehire acts or whatever. But you should
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: bring a bike. That's that's really fun. What are like
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: three easy things that people that are doing the life
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: on the road, whether it's van or a roof ten
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: or whatever, how would you recommend that they stay fit?
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Because I always think like when you're fit, you're at
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: a better mental state. You enjoy things more, You interact
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: with the community, you actor the terrain, you interact with
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: the environment.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: More, more energy.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good, Yeah, what are those three things?
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Three things? No bikes, no kayaks? I mean running shoes.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: It's easy.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: You gotta have like multiple running shoes. I have more
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: shoes than my wife, Like, I have trail running shoes too.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Trail running shoes, road running shoes. You gotta have at
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: least two because you got to swap out you're putting
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: when you're putting in big miles. And then you got
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: bike shoes, road bike shoes, kayaks shoes, creaking shoes, playboat
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: shoes for the kayaks. Like, there's so many shoes, so
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: let's see. Yeah, appropriate footwear for getting out there and adventuring.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: That's one one that's really good that I don't do enough,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: at least for me, is just those elastic bands, like
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: the ones you get from PT, like they cut it
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: off a whole different weights. Those are really good for
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: shoulder exercise and stuff. I've blown out shoulders and having
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: like like joints for your elbows and wrists and shoulders
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: that work properly. You have better posture when you're sitting,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: and you just feel better. You can go do so
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: much stuff when all those little ligaments are strong. Even
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: if your big muscles aren't strong, you're just better. You
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: can handle way more abuse when you crash and stuff
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: like that. And what do you use for flexibility?
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Because when I think of being adventure ready, there's three
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: things that come to mind. Stability is one of the
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: most important, so we don't fall a lot of injuries
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: that happen in the back country, so stability comes to mind.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Flexibility is the other thing that comes to mind, which
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: is going to reduce our chances of injury. And then
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: obviously we want to have a degree of strength. Cardiovascular
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: fitness can happen in a bunch of different ways. But
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: when I think about being adventure ready, the things that
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I find is you want to have a little bit
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: of fuel in the tank. You want to have some
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: cardiovascular fitness. But if I'm if I'm stretching well and
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: i'm and I have good stability and I have good strength,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I'm able to kind of do all of the things
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the highlift jacking and the tires and all of that,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: what do you use for flexibility? I mean, what's your
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: focus around that.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I'm horrible of That is the truth. I'm ready and
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: that's why I'm really flexible, but I don't work on
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: it enough and it definitely hinders my performance.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that for me too.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: When the best thing that I've found for that, honestly
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: is like bick from yoga, like once a week even,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Uh what is I know what yoga is and I
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: have been sold on it, like it's fantastic.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: We do it like at night before bed and I'm
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: just very like I sleep better. What's what does bickram mean?
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Bicker I think it's a form. It's a type of yoga,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: but they do it hot. Sometimes there's really hot yoga
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: that's slightly different, but normal brom yoga. I think it's
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: just like kind of the normal based yoga. I think
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I'm really bad.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know that I will put it in the
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: in the show.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna there's a show notes we'll just the
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: definition of bickram yoga. But I know that's the type
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: that I've done a bunch of and it basically like
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: it's strength, balance, flexibility kind of combined. And it's a
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: lot of like stretchy postures while like holding a pose,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: you're locking off a few muscles and stretching others. And
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: I find that really useful, especially for core like me
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: with the back. I have a tall torso like I
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: got the same problem Matt's got yeah, and CARGI bill, Yeah,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: and it just messes your back up. So the stronger
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: your core is the more less back pain I have
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: and the more fit you can be. If your big
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: core muscles are strong, and even if you have twigs
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: for arms and legs, you can manage to do a
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: lot of things really well, especially if you have good forms.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: So even at kayaking, like professional kayakers, like they have
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: thin arms, they're not all bulked out. They have pretty
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: big shoulders and really good apps because it's all core.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: If you have good form. They have horrible form. You
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: have biceps the size of Popeye.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: But yeah, but those will get smoked pretty quickly. Quick. Yeah,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: use the big muscles. Yeah, that's interesting about that. With
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: the yoga, I agree, and that's definitely been something that
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I have had a lot of success with. I need
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: to do it way more, you know, if you go
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: on to YouTube or any of the other tubes depending
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: on what you're doing. So I would do an after
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: run yoga session that was specifically for running, and like
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: the recovery would could improve by hours, if not days,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: like it was this. I'm not twenty anymore, so like
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: doing that after exercise stretching like that was such a
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: big deal.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: It helps.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: I'm always scared of doing yoga classes because every time
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I've done them, I just swear like a sailor.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Like I just fall over dead quiet and he's in
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: the core swearing that's great.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Or you didn't do your noma stay man,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: you get.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: A yeah, I won't do that, a center of your chi
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: or something, Yeah I won't.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I won't do that. I don't do I usually just
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: fall over like you try, like some of those ones.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: You're really I.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Love the balance. Also, balancing ones are my favorite.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Love like slack lining and trying like yoga pos while slacklining.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: I love.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Super balancing and you can you you you can think
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: through all the little muscles in your body like as
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: things are happening, Like you can think of individual ad
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: muscles and contract them and like get yourself the balance.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: And I love that, like body awareness, and it's something
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: that I wish I learned. I'm gonna I'm gonna impart
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: on my daughter for sure, is like body awareness. Like
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: so I love adventure sports and snowboarding and in line skating.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Back in the day and all that was I was
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: a fruit bitter it happened, but getting when I get inverted,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: So like wakeboarding I tried tantrums, there's like a laid
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: out backflip and land on my head every time. It's
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: because once I'm in the air, things get wonky and
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: I just don't have it figured out. One thing that
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: I want to impart on my kid early is body
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: awareness and like how to spot landings and that kind
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: of stuff. And even if they're not into any of that,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: it's fine, but it's really good for even if you
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: fall or anything else, you just roll and all that
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff comes automatic when you really understand what's
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: going on around you, and when you're inverted, your brain
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: still operates properly.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, So I'm going to do a subject change here.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Oh so prior to you getting done with the fitness done.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: The only thing I can add is that during yoga,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I'm mainly just thinking about how terrified I am of farting.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Like that's like people some people find it very relaxing.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: It's incredibly stressful for me.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you just gotta let it. I know it sounds like,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: don't hold that in.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: How it's a room full of people, How do they
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: know it was you? Because I love be the one giggly.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: You give yourself away. You've got to work on your pokempace, buddy,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: you just look over it. You know.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I cannot do poker.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: The only time I'm near a poker table is when
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: we're in Las Vegas and I'm drinking the free beer
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: that they give you because I'm winning, because you're winning,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: and then I drink it.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: It's good fun.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cool. So I'm glad we've established that I have
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: no poker face. But so before you and Kate got married,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: you guys flew to South America. You bought a fore Runner.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: I did some stuff, went a little bit sideways, so
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: almost to the end of the right. So where did
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: you fly into.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I flew into Santiago right before New Year's so we
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: got to spend New Year's Eve in downtown santiagogs.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: And that's where you bought the fore Runner. Was that
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: I finally convinced this guy like Brian, you should just
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: buy toyotas. They're really reliable, super reliable.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Was it? Was it a North American registered? So did
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: you buy it from another or it was a South America.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I got basically the Chilean version of a SoC security
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: number down there. I went through the paperwork so I
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: could buy whatever I wanted and have it Chile and
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: plate it in.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, legal, sure cool.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Chile's one of the few countries you can actually do
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: that as a foreigner, so it's pretty painless. There's a
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: huge lines in paperworking nonsense. But there's like two or
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: three companies down there that will help you through that process.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: You pay them a little bit. It's pretty minimal, totally
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: worth it in that way. I don't know that the
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: fly and buy program is worth it. My plan was
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: I looked at all the rental rates and we're gonna
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: be there for about two months. And I was like
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: a rental rate like eight grand for like a high
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: lux or something like a basic one not even outfitted
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: with a camp or anything for two months. And I'm like,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: this isn't gonna work. I don't have that kind of money.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: So we were like, all right, we'll fly down. I
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: worked out the program. I was like, I'll buy a
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: car for you know, between eight and fifteen grand, so
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: it's semi reliable. Make sure they go through all the fluids,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: make sure it's good, and then take off for two
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: months and sell it for similar might lose two or
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: three grand. Two or three grand I can I can
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: eat that for two months of travel for living in
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: the vehicle. We got down there, we were my wife
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: and I were both really sick. We had some flu
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: thing for like a while. So New Year's Eve was rough.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: We're like walking around downtown like not drinking or anything,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: and they stumbling around because we're like delirious. But we
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: saw the fireworks and stuff. It was an amazing scene
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: to be a part of.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Santiago was great, cool city. Really. Yeah.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: In San Diego, we worked with another with one of
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: these handler companies to try to find a car. They
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: were not a great help, to be honest with you.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: We searched a ton I even testro a few. They
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: do not take care of their vehicles in Chile. It's
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: just how it is, Like I don't understand, because the
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: vehicles are super expensive, like way more expensive than North
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: America to buy new and then in relevance used, and
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: they just don't take care of them. They don't do
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: oil changes, they don't repair the springs. I guess they
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: just blow all their money on buying it and then
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: they can't maintain it or something. But they're like, oh,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Russ free and da da da da dah, and I
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: drive the thing. It's just like the biggest Russ bucket.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: The shocks are blown everything. Like, I don't want to
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: I don't have the money to update this thing to
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: use it. So after a few of those experiences, we
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: found through that agency another traveling couple that was leaving
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: and they had been traveling in it for like five
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: months as a forerunner. It was chile and plated. It
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: was like an O six with the V six in it,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: the if you six gas motor. And I was like,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: it's a fore Runner, it's not. I wanted something interesting.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: I was looking at a lot of neibas. I was like,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: mister Bishi Montero's. I was looking at things that like,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: we can't really get here easily. And because I wanted
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: to write stories and I wanted something fun, I wanted
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: driving experience. I'm always looking for the next interesting driving experience.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, it was the most
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: boring thing ever, but it's.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Gonna be rad Why into a for erunner?
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah? And he talked me into a four erunner and
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, all right, it's the most reliable thing.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Of course, we can sleep inside it's like perfect, screw it,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: I'll buy it. It's good to go. I was like
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: eight and a half grand bought it. Two weeks later,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: we had made it to almost two Ushwai, like a
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: couple hundred miles away in southern Argentina, and the engine
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: just seized like see we pulled over the side of
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: the road like seized nothing. So I was communicating with
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: mad and a couple other people through my garment in reach,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: texting from the other side of the globe, like, uh,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: what can I do? Is there anything I can do here?
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Like I was at a lot. I mean, the engine
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: wouldn't turn over. I had plenty of battery, I had
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: all the things, but it was seized, like the piston
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: was seized in the block. So the coolant the head
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: gasket had failed and the coolant we think coolan gott
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: in the engine. Waited on the side of road for three hours.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: A cool traveling couple from Guatemala had a F one
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: fifty with a truck camper in it and pulled over.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: We waved them down. We're in the middle of nowhere
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: on this highway, and they towed us up and over
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: a mountain through the checkpoint into Chile to the closest
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: town because also in Argentina they don't sell the gas
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: moa or they only sell a diesel in that car.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't even have the parts if we were to
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: find there's no towns down there in Argentina anyway. But
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: so we made it over there through a storm. On
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: that note, like the thing I always tell people to
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: travel with or to start to get off road and
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: overland travel is a set of really good traction boards.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: So Max Tracks will give you a plug there, Matt,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: thanks bro. They work. I literally carry them around the world.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: So a set of Max tracks, two soft shackles, and
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: a toe strap, and those items are what I carried
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: with me for the vehicle from the US down there
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: I used. I didn't use the Max tracks because car
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: seized before we got to the good off road stuff.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: But the strap and the soft shackle is what we use.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: So I was on a short strap and it happened
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: it was a recovery strap, not a toe strap, so
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: a little springy. So up and over a mountain through
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: an insane wind and rainstorm short strapped on a camper
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: that I can't see past.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Was interesting.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Let's say the least, no power steering at that point,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: no power breaks, assist, nothing, But I managed to keep
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: not run into him. Any of the downhills we'd pull over,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: I'd unhook and then just coast down the hill. That
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: makes sense, be on my own power, and so I
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: didn't run into him. And yeah, we made it there,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: and invention we sold it for scrap. I used that
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: scrap money. We hopped on the ferry. We went through
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: the Fjords in Patagonia, which is beautiful to do that.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: We did not make it to Ushwaya. We were a
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: couple hundred miles away. It wasn't really worth it to
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: go to the end of the road at that point.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: I will be back maybe on a moto next time,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: I hope. And then we just rented a little tiny
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Volkswagen car the you know what they call it. I
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: don't even have it here. It's a four door Ecano
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: box with like, I don't know, six inch wide tires
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: like that. No, it's it's the same size, but four
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: door likes a dan And we offered the crap that thing.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: It was a rental.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Every rental hazed for World drive, the most capable for
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: wheel drive in the world. Or rental rental, unless from
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Nina Barlow, in which case please be respectful, Please please
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: be respectful.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, but yeah, this car. So we finished the rest
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: of the trip. We didn't make a douche Wia, but
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: we did pretty much everything else. But we ended up
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: spending way more because we were staying in hotels. We
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: did have a ground tent, so we stayed in that times,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: but the rest of the time we had the forum.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: We're just sleeping in the back, like put air mattress
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: in the back in our sleeping bags and put the
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: seats down.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: It was great.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so that in the end it cost me
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: about nine nine and a half grand extra for the trip,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: and it would have but it's about the same as renting.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: So it sucked. But it was like, yeah, kind of washing.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: But we missed a few things, like we definitely I
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: tried to offer it. There's a few places we just
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: couldn't go with that little car.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: And then you were so taken with Toyota that you
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: bought Alexis, which is basically Toyota.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I did come back and try to buy a van,
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: and buying the Unicorn van that I want doesn't exist
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: because they're all rusted out and.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Because you always look on the East coast, this is
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: the problem.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: That's not true, like.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Van, rusty truck, rusty yep yep correlation east coast cars.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: No, the van wasn't an East Coast Star.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: It was a Portland car, probably rusted from Kambuchos.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Minnesota car, which is the same difference worse, I know. Yeah,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: So I looked for everywhere in the country, including Canada
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: and Mexico, and I cannot find. If anybody on this
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: podcast wants to reach out, regular body E three point
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: fifty seven to three non rusted barn.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Door van, if you get to make your shout out,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: please if anybody has a V Highline venders for a
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: TJ there you go, give me a ring.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Need some of those.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: I need them badly.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: AV Highline finders Dad, he needs them.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: There's actually somebody that you did reach out and then
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: ghosted me. Oh it was like.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: They're gonna listen to this and reach back out.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: You'll be okay, Please please, I'm not I'm not mad,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: just I want to talk. I wanted to trying to
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: think about a need a Bimini for a Catalina two fifty. Yeah,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: you just want a sailboat. I did nice. It needs
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: a bit overwatering, Yes, overwatering, because you're very, very far
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: over land, and Brian did that mental sailing adventure. You
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: guys are probably sailing individuals.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: I've still quite a bit.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Windsurfing from Cornfields you are, yes, emerginally from Baltimore.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Water terrifies me straight up. I love looking at it
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: while drinking and Margarita.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get you in a white water boat.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. Yeah, it's not gonna happen. It's gonna
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: It's like trying to get you to do something you
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: don't want. It was like trying to get one Yeah, okay,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: it's like trying to get Brian to eat vegetables Circle
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. That would have been rough. Yeah, yeah yeah.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: If I would have like thrown a thing of iceberg
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: lettuce at your head, it would have gotten about the
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: same response as me getting into a white water raft.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I got you in a white water No you didn't.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: You chicken out at my wedding, I had white water
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: and he didn't come. Everybody else I got my parents
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: parents in a raft.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: But at eighty year olds in the raft no Mass
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: two three.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: But Matt and Laura did not come. They were there.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: They hung out in the in the hotel.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: The country in the same way that you drove across
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: the country to go to my wedding. But I hate water.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, I didn't know this about you, Matt. I
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: provided water for you at my Yeah. You even did
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: a stand up pedal board out in the middle of
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: the lake.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: I did, yeah with my suit on.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah that was very cool. So you have a Lexus
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: GX four sixty now correct, and I think, yeah, yeah,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's on Brian's shirt.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: My sack wear shirts boom in.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: So I think one of the cool things that you
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: did with yours is you designed your own bumper, You
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: designed your own roof rack.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Did I helped design the brackets for the Shieldan seats. Yeah,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I helped design a goose gier platforms.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: And you loving your Selman seats because you've got lower
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: back problems. I love my shielding seats.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: What an incredible product that is.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that product is pricey in all regards, but it's
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: so worth it. Like they're just I just got back
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: from Matt's wedding and on the way back. It's a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: long drive from tell your ride to Portland. And I
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: was going to be in the back seat with the
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: baby a bunch and working because I got the day now.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: The wife was going to drive a bunch, but instead
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: I ended up driving most of it because I could
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: not sit in the backseat. My back was destroyed sitting
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: in the back.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Normal seats in the GX.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: So the Shielman's like a little bit of heat on
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: and they're just Erganama. You tweak the little lumbar support
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: a little bit, and oh they're so good for long
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: distance roll.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: So so what else have you done to it? Give
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: us like the give us the So I'm going to
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: say thirty second elevator speech that's under five minutes.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Copy forty seconds, go all right, LEXUSGS four sixty twenty thirteen.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: I looked at it while I was trying to buy
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: a van. The vans were all rusty. I found a
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: non rusty GX. I talked you into it a little bit. Yeah,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: at the time I.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Found it, didn't I totally found it. I found it
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: and sent it to you.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: We'll go with that. We'll go with that theory.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Because you were looking at like land Rovers, you're going
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: to get an LR three little bit that was, And
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like, and I wouldn't. I have the distinct advantage
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: of being Brian's first help line. And I just was
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: not putting up with an LR three like I was
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: putting my foot down so hard.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: And still buy one.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Just don't and you do it right, do the theory, man, No,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: I get it, everybody, It's going to be like that.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: It's going to be like that South South American Forerunner though.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: One of my best rid mixed showpes has one in Portland,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: and I get to drive it quite off.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: You're amazing and when they wait, when they work, they're amazing.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: When it works're amazing, They're amazing. Like twenty five hundred
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: dollars a redo. If you're not, if I'm not your
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: first call for when stuff goes wrong with your car,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: please buy land River l R three.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, go for it on it. I will. But I
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: bought a g X and the GX four sixty it
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: was already built by a guy in Georgia. Quite honestly,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: all ninety five percent of the parts that were on
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: it were not up to par for my standard of quality.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: So and I knew that the I had a lot
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: of partners in the industry at that point. After building
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: my Ram truck camper that I built a custom box
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: and lived in that for quite a while. I wanted
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: I saw an opportunity to work with a few partners,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: and before I bought it, I reached out to them
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: and they were ready to build some parts for that platform.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: I worked it out to help design a number of parts.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Signed up front bumper with trail ready. It is by
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: far the most functional and tight bumper on that car.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: It looks real good and it's the light it's the lightest,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: full featured one. It's got a full Winch set up, aluminum,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: stainless and steel, so there's three but if they're all
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: in the right way to make it the lightest and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: strongest as possible. You can't use aluminum on a like
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: a recovery point because you're just going to rip it
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: out in the front of it. So but it's got
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: swivel swivel recovery points, so soft shockles work great on it.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: It's got a worn Winch's got Factor G five, you know,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: link on the front of it. It's just clean and
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: works great. So I'm super happy with how that worked out.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: It took two prototypes to get it perfect. Got integrated
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Pea lights. Even the top bar of the grill guard
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: as an integrated light bar, and that is like the only.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Light it has, like a it doesn't it have like
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: a little storage box or something.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: No storage box. It just has full access to the winch.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: So little, that's what it is, a little hatch on
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: the top. Yeah, so most full.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: That's the problem with most of those bumpers kids the winch.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this one you can without opening the hatch. You
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: can reach your whole arm in and touch it everything.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: And with the hatch off the top, you can see
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: the entire reel and deal with everything.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: So yeah, uncommon but needed, Yeah for sure. Actually, I'm
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: all about functionality. Like it doesn't function, then do function
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: and then make it look right. Like that car always
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: has a cleft chin look, and I tried to minimize
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: that as much as possible. It's just the body line.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: It's really hard to make an off road bumper that
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: like looks good on that true. So but it worked
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: out really good. I'm happy with that. Did a full
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: custom roofrack with a local company in Portland that makes
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: van roofracs. The rack came out pretty good. I'm happy
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: with it. It's it's wide as lights on it for
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: me again, it's designed to carry like five kayaks and
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: our four kayaks and a TOOLI box for my skis
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: at the same time, skis and paddles and paddling gear
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: at the same time. I know it'll hold two kayaks,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: a mountain bike and all the gear in the roof
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: on the roof.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: Which is literally do a triathlon out of your good.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: It is yeah, perfect, Yeah, adventure trathlon. It might be
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: next adventure actually, So yeah, that worked out great. Then
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: I worked with Goose Gear and we did a custom
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: drawer system. They already had a plate for it.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that looks really good.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little higher and it goes over the
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: rear seats and I got a little attachment gives me
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: a sleep platform on the passenger side so I can
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: sleep one person. It's got cage on there with the
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: drop slide that Matt has an adventure imports or had
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: a few.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he has any left left.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that worked out really good, and then equipped
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: it got me one of the national Luna fridges which
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: works amazing the new legacy ones. So drop fridge on
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: top of the door system, sleep next to it. What
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: else is on that thing? It's got full icon Stage
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: seven with a few tweaks for better springs and stuff
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: for suspension, so and then a dispension.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: It's crazy on that thing.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: It's really nice. I could drive down Death Valley like
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: crazy washboard at like seventy and I was talking to
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: you on speakerphone one time, like it's all good. And
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: then we did a body mount chop and it's got
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: thirty four's and it's got the Ebo course wheels that
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: are like won to car on the on The wheels
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: look great, love them. They're so clean. I wasn't originally
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: going to go with the bronze, but it came out
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: really good with the crazy vinyl graphics I did on
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: the trucks. So it's got customs sliders that came on
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: the truck. That's the one part that I really like
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: that I kept on there. And it still has a
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: rear bumper that I'm really not happy with. That's the
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: only part left that's like really not okay.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a China produ bumper.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: It's a knockoff Kmar bumper. Let's be straight, the best
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: bumper for that truck is the Kmar. The Kmar costs
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: four times at retail what all the other competitors are.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: It is the best, but I don't I don't know.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: I don't have that kind of money to put into
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: a rear bumper, so I haven't haven't bought one. Yeah,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: if you want the best by the truck style.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Like the Kmar scrape, but they're kind of a pain
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: to use with those latches, and I haven't really like
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: it's innovated like some of the Arab stuff, like some
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: of the AEV stuff, Like.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: It's a better latch than the cheap knockoff ones, I'll
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: tell you that, because it holds up. The mine are
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: all wearing out from rattling on the road, so all
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: the joints are rattling off.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: Have you looked at would a proto one fifty rear
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: door fit on your truck?
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: It would people have done that? Yeah, that would be interesting.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: I had Matt Glass's proto door sitting in the max
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Track sqarehouse for months. Feel bad. It was like you
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: ordered it and all the containers just like started being
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: full capacity and I'm like, sorry, dude, Product.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Twenty first four seventy Yeah.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a ton of cool prouto parts you can
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: put on it, and some four Runner parts you can
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: kind of sort of make work. TRAI already just made
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: a rear swing out, single swing out for the fifth
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Gen four Runner. It might fit, I'm not sure, but
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: it looks really good. It's kind of heavy, kind of overbuilt.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: I'm super conscious of weight, Like I really care about
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: the weight and.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: So much do you have you weighed your truck so
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: I have.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: I don't remember the number, but it was within one
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: hundred hundred fifty pounds of GBW with me in it,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: fully loaded with water, fuel, food, kayak, mountain bike gear,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: all of it, and it was just over GV like
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: one hundred pounds overget and you.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Had you've removed the rear the third row seats half yep,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: that saves a lot of weight, it does. And then
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: you removed part of the rear seat.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: No, all the rear seats are in place, even with
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: the bed platform at full time, because I want to
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: be able to quickly convert it back and be able
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: to haul people in my baby and got it?
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, sure cool.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and then Schiuman Seats and switch Pro System
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: and Mule Expision outfitters help me dial in the electrics
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: and the electrics are all like it's all shrink wrapped
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: and labeled and run appropriately. And cell phone booster from
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: we Boost and the we boosts are really good. It
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: works mine, it never works. I've heard such mixed results.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: On it well because it's not memo right, it's like
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: trying to whatever, like whatever band it latches onto, it's
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: only bringing one in where your phone, like the new
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: iPhone will have I think it's like they call it
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: four by four where it will bring four different bands
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: in and combine them. Interesting, So it's great for voice
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: so not.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: I find it amazing the edges of cell signal, so
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: you have to have some signal or it works not
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: at all. But when you have some signal, it boosts
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  Speaker 2: it like double and like when I can't get out
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: of a text even all of a sudden, I can
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  Speaker 2: make phone calls, which is huge. So yeah, I've used
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  Speaker 2: it effectively to work on the road. It has helped me,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: but they are expensive and it's a big crapshoot as
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: whether it's worth it. Quite honestly.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's so situation dependent. I put one on
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  Speaker 1: my gladiator just because where I live, I drive through
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  Speaker 1: this dead zone, which you thought your dead zone. Yeah,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: and it didn't do anything for that dead zone, surprising.
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  Speaker 2: If it's dead, it's dead. You got to have something.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's there's one or two bars, but
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  Speaker 1: it's just like and you you put the phone right
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  Speaker 1: on the booster, like you you actually now.
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  Speaker 2: It's an internal antenna.
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  Speaker 1: So I have the r V one. That's what I
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: supposed to have, the bigger antenna, But so yours is
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  Speaker 1: the directional one then, or is usually the omni directional
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: the new omnidirectional one, omni directional one, it should be
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  Speaker 1: omnidirectional one. Yeah, so when anti yeah, when we talked
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  Speaker 1: to we boost. The key to it is it's you've
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  Speaker 1: got to have your phone like on it near the antenna,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: like it within within an inch of the antenna, really
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  Speaker 1: within an inch of the antenna to get the maximum.
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  Speaker 2: Because the r V one, the way it's set up
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: is as a as a another antenna on the inside
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  Speaker 2: of the car and it's supposed to broadcast within the vehicle.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to have it right on top of it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to try this next.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: To try to put it right on it and you'll
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  Speaker 1: you'll actually watch the bars go up on your phone,
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  Speaker 1: so as you pull it away, you can watch the
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: bars go down and as you know, it's working. But yeah,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: pretty amazing. So I'm testing this mo Fi five g
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: router right now. Is that the one that Mike's gott
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: that's one. It's a five g router. I think he's
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: got the radle point one. Yeah, he loved it, so
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: he's got the credle point one. This is like the
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: These guys aren't Internet nerds or anything. This is the nerds.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: So this is like the equivalent for my tax bracket
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: versus Mike's. It's kind of a cheaper one. Love Mike,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: I got you.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: We all have different levels.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Of We should probably wrap up here because it's a
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: bit long, so we're going to do a subsequent podcast
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: with Brian. So Brian and Scott were both just on Trek,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: which is a kind of an athletic slash four wheel
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: drive competition that land River has always historically done, and
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Brian won that. Brian won it, which is really cool.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Won the media wave. We'll put the qualifier on there.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: But it was amazing I did with and who was
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: on your team? Who was on my team? We had
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Jeff from Hooniverse and we had Tommy from TfL off Road.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, crushed it. Don't discredit yourself because the other waves
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: are used car salesman. That's not true, isn't that? It
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: was always you know, it's like it. It could be technicians,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: or it could.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Be their dealers, and they always have at least one tech,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: one front of house, in one back of house, and
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: then a third person. So there's three people from the dealership.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: It's so there's a technician, a salesman, and somebody. I'm
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: still kind of right. They're still new cars too. I
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: worked at a Landover dealer. We'll throw that and then
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about that. That was my first job. Is
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: I worked for Lander River. I do want to hurt
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: that brand.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: There's a couple questions I do like to ask, and
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: I'd love to get your insights because I know that
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: you're well read, Brian. Is there a couple of books
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: that you have found in your trap in your readings
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: really changed the course of your life, where you thought
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: about something in a different way than you had before.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not a prolific reader at all. I
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: definitely read read a decent amount.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: But Doctor SEUs to your Daughter doesn't count.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: I haven't done that yet, but that's coming soon. Only
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: three months old of work. But wow, that's a tough one.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: I can't think of one out on my head.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: That's okay, Yeah, I don't, Harry Potter.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: There's been some interesting marketing books that in university around
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: that time. Marketing is one of the things that always
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: is stuck with me. In high school, I was winning,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: like without with zero studying or doing anything. I'd show
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: up at national competitions and win marketing awards. It was
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: really kind of weird. So that's actually I had no
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: clue what to do. So that's why I went to
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: college for marketing. I was like, oh, I'm good at
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: this and I don't have to do any I don't
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: have to study at all. This is perfect. I can
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: have a good college experience.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: That's okay. You don't have to have an answer for that. Yeah,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: that we can just cut that right out of the podcast.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't know. I'm not I'm not educated. No, Yeah, books,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: I mean I read a lot of adventure books.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: Is there a venture book you like?
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Well, so, however you want let your people go surfing,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: that's a great onsok. Yeah, So that one's a really
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: powerful book. Whether you're in a business or not. I
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: find that one excellent one, really good. Forget the name
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: of the Cliff, the people that started Cliff kind of
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: the case study on that. It's a really good read,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: a fun one that I don't know if you're gonna
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: learn anything from. But is the Drive the driver? So
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: the guy that Alex Royd who drove cross country? Uh,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: they made a movie out of it. I haven't watched
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: the movie. The movies a movie Apex. It's on I
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: think it's you pay for it on YouTuber.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: It's like a beam movie.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: I mean it's like a documentary slash like entertainment film.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: But about the proscot like the Cannonball run. So setting
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: the Coast to coast?
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Is that the guy that did in the black Mercedes
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: was an M five M five Okay.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: He's done in a lot of the heat. He currently
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: has the three wheeler record the Morgan. He did it in
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: a Morgan three wheel.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: That's a bit obscure.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he did have the overall record in a
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: bmw M five that was fully prepared.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: He is there when we got really drunk with him
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: in Vegas with Matt Radonicus from four by four Australia.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: I was there for a little bit of that, him
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: and Richie Rollins.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: I got toasted. I think I was also like twenty
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: two and in Vegas on Scott's dime.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: So thank you Warren for the amazing booze and Cabo waba.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: I drank so much inappropriately on this guy's tab when
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: I was working for him. I'm sorry, but what are
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: we doing right now, Matt?
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: And let's be straight, he Matt didn't drink on Scott's tab.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: He would just be on Scott's time as an employee,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: but he'd be drinking free booze from all the manufacturers.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Well, also drinking off of your poker tabs.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: Well that came later, but yes, absolutely poker and blackjacks.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and on that bombshell. We're going to end this.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the Overlain Journal podcast with
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Brian Door, Scott Brady, and myself Matt Scott. Stay tuned
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: for the next round of all of this and save travels,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: save travels. Thanks for listening.