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Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992) with Fangs for the Memories · Left of the Projector

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  Track 2: This app has fun sounds.
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  Track 3: Yeah, it's very Lucasian.
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  Track 2: Yeah, bleep bloops.
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  Track 3: Yeah.
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  Track 1: It does have lots of those. I don't know why it makes sounds,
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  Track 1: maybe just to let everyone know what's going on.
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  Track 2: Yeah, it's on.
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  Track 2: yeah i know i'm excited to talk about um a movie that i i don't think is very good but it's still fun.
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  Track 3: To talk about thank you thank goodness because i watched this today and i was
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  Track 3: like man i remember this movie being a lot better than it was but in my defense
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  Track 3: the last time i watched i was seven so okay.
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  Track 2: Yeah it's a great movie for a seven-year-old.
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  Track 3: Yeah Well, I don't know if that's true, but it's certainly a movie for a seven-year-old.
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  Track 1: I can think of worse choices, like when I watched The Exorcist or something
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  Track 1: when I was seven or eight years old.
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  Track 3: Oh, yeah. Or when my parents made me sit in the movie theater for Gettysburg.
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  Track 1: Oh, no.
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  Track 3: We got out of that movie theater at 11.15 at night. It was crazy.
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  Track 2: Wow. Not shelling out for a babysitter over at the...
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  Track 3: No, no.
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  Track 2: Rising home.
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  Track 3: I saw so many horse deaths in that movie.
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  Track 2: Aww.
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  Track 3: Real hard. But that's not what we're here to talk about.
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  Track 2: No.
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  Track 1: No. We have a little more fun, if not bad, but also, I think, fun.
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  Track 1: Some of the greatest, cheesiest early 90s one-liners that I can imagine.
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  Track 2: Yeah.
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  Track 3: Sit back in your seats, get something to eat, and watch this movie. I don't want to kiss.
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  Track 1: We'll let you hear the audio. Thank you.
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  Track 1: Hello and welcome to Left of the Projector. I'm your host, Evan.
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  Track 1: Back again with another film discussion from the left. This week on the show,
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  Track 1: we are discussing the 1992 film Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which spawned a show
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  Track 1: by the same name five years later.
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  Track 1: And with me to discuss, I have the most buffiest of guests, host of Fangs for
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  Track 1: the Memories a Buffy Rewatch podcast Kate and Leslie thank you both for being here today.
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  Track 2: Hello we're the most Buffy I'm so excited I don't.
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  Track 1: Know if that's a verb or not I.
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  Track 2: Think it can be I mean Buffy is,
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  Track 2: Buffy words are in the lexicon I
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  Track 2: think of many people's I guess like colloquialism so yeah Buffy is I buff.
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  Track 3: You buff, he, she, they buff.
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  Track 2: We all buffing.
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  Track 1: And I did tell everyone that you do have a podcast. Do you want to expand upon
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  Track 1: that or we can just buff right past it? I'm going to keep with the Buffy.
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  Track 3: I like this. This is going to be like the Smurfs where they just smurf into everything. Yeah.
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  Track 3: So we're, we're a Buffy recap and rewatch podcast.
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  Track 3: We also do occasionally just horror movies in general.
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  Track 3: We just did an episode about the new Nosferatu Which we both had very strong
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  Track 3: and very differing opinions about So it was interesting to discuss and kind of compare notes,
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  Track 3: But yeah, we're towards the end of season 6 We're almost done And then one more
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  Track 3: season And then we'll both, I guess, die?
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  Track 3: I guess that's what happens Yeah, that's how it works When you're done with
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  Track 3: the show, you just perish.
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  Track 2: That's what we signed up for A watcher came to our houses and told us that we had to be with Buffy.
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  Track 3: Yeah, he made us sign a contract in blood, and I was like, well,
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  Track 3: okay, I got nothing else going on.
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  Track 1: Did you get someone as good as Donald Sutherland to do that?
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  Track 3: Oh, my God, no. We got, like, Ronald Sutherland.
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  Track 2: Oh!
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  Track 1: I actually, we were, Kate and I briefly were talking about Nosferatu earlier.
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  Track 1: I listened to that, because I also did an episode on Nosferatu,
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  Track 1: and I've had conversations where there's, like, widely differing opinions And
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  Track 1: that's the fun that's the fun of it, I guess.
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  Track 3: It's it's interesting. I mean, I like movies that do kind of elicit so many
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  Track 3: different differing viewpoints. You know, you can take a lot of different things from it.
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  Track 3: So that's the kind of movies that are like more important, I think,
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  Track 3: than everybody who just like agrees like it's OK.
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  Track 2: Yeah, totally. And I mean, we have wildly different opinions about Buffy.
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  Track 3: A lot of things.
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  Track 2: Too, which is great. No, I mean, that's like why it's interesting.
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  Track 2: If we were both just like, yeah, totally, it would be kind of a silly, very short show.
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  Track 3: Right.
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  Track 2: Yeah.
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  Track 1: Several people have actually told me that I should bring on like people with
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  Track 1: widely differing political views to discuss films from political.
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  Track 1: And I just thought, I don't really want to have like a podcast where it's like,
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  Track 1: you know, one of those. I don't know what those.
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  Track 1: I don't know what the word for that. It's like the Fox.
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  Track 2: Fox morning show.
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  Track 3: Pundit bullshit.
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  Track 1: I don't want that. I don't know.
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  Track 1: It doesn't have to agree that they like the movie, but at least relatively somewhat
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  Track 1: similar-ish perspective.
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  Track 2: Yeah. I mean, we both come at it, I think, from a left-ish, queer-ish sort of,
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  Track 2: definitely feminist side of things.
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  Track 2: You know...
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  Track 2: It's hard to talk about a show that was so important to so many fems of a certain
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  Track 2: age, I think, written by a guy that we now know sucks shit.
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  Track 1: I decided not to mention his name.
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  Track 2: Yeah. And like people, you know, at one point he was like, like some other people
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  Track 2: who have been recently called out for being absolutely disgusting.
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  Track 2: um you know he was seen as like a feminist and uh defender of women and you
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  Track 2: know so that's a we talk about that a lot because it's a tough one and like
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  Track 2: uh unfortunately his stain is on this movie too.
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  Track 1: Yeah he.
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  Track 3: Does he's he does have a little bit of stink on it i wrote down little joss
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  Track 3: stink one of my notes was um using a homeless as a as a noun like oh yeah that's
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  Track 3: a joss weed and flick all right yeah.
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  Track 1: Yeah well well yeah
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  Track 1: i mean it's as i didn't even mention that i wasn't
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  Track 1: intentional leaving it up so this film was written by joss whedon
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  Track 1: as people probably know it was not directed by
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  Track 1: him um it has the the main characters as far as actors are in this is christy
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  Track 1: swanson donald sutherland paul the late paul rubens rückenhower and luke perry
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  Track 1: of course you know his kind of height of his career or yeah it had to be right
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  Track 1: oh yeah 100 yeah yeah yeah yeah peak uh peak luke perry peak.
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  Track 3: Perry prime like uh tiger beat centerfold era absolutely yeah.
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  Track 1: Yeah this was um yeah i'm looking at his like the the tv shows and film like
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  Track 1: yeah this was man beverly hills uh started the year before two years before this so yeah oh.
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  Track 3: Yeah it's.
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  Track 2: So interesting because this movie is like so much more I feel like rooted in
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  Track 2: like late 80s stuff even though it's early 90s and like Buffy is so 90s you know.
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  Track 3: Yeah for being like yeah like late 90s and even into early 2000s yeah it is
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  Track 3: very like just very iconic for what we think of it as a which is interesting
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  Track 3: because like I feel that way and for a lot of different decades like some things
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  Track 3: that I think about in like the early 70s feel very 60s to me.
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  Track 2: Yeah. I mean, I think like, you know, fashion, people don't change their entire look like immediately.
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  Track 3: Once the clock rolls over.
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  Track 2: Right. Like this was filmed...
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  Track 1: Probably 91.
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  Track 2: Yeah. So, like, you're still going to have a lot of 80s stuff.
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  Track 2: And, like, Buffy in this movie is so much more Valley Girl than Buffy in the show.
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  Track 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Track 1: Yeah, that was one thing. One of the first things I wrote down when I was watching
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  Track 1: this was trying to think of.
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  Track 1: I mean, of course, there were super Valley-heavy kind of films earlier in the 80s.
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  Track 1: But this struck me as like the, I don't know, one of the other,
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  Track 1: like this and like Clueless, obviously Clueless was way better film and, you know,
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  Track 1: later on, but I can't think of anything else that was so Valley girl character at this time.
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  Track 1: Maybe I'm just not remembering. I don't know.
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  Track 2: I mean, I guess Beverly Hills, 90210, but yeah, that's a, I mean,
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  Track 2: Beverly Hills, not the Valley, but like similar, I think anyone who doesn't
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  Track 2: live in LA probably doesn't know the difference anyway.
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  Track 2: So it's just like, yeah, sure. Whatever. Rich, rich white people.
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  Track 3: Yeah. It's very time specific and it's also very geographical and tax bracket specific.
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  Track 2: Yeah, it's true.
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  Track 1: Yeah, it's like the way that they speak is equivalent to, you know,
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  Track 1: like the British monarchies version of British versus.
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  Track 3: I don't know. Right, yeah.
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  Track 1: The commoners.
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  Track 3: Exactly.
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  Track 1: And this is mostly, I mean, for the most part, like most of the characters with
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  Track 1: the exception of, you know, Luke Perry and his friend who is not long for this
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  Track 1: world or from the living or whatever you want to call it. Oh, David Arquette.
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  Track 3: David Arquette, yeah. Early, early David Arquette.
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  Track 2: Yeah. they're.
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  Track 1: All pretty wealthy I mean.
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  Track 2: Yeah Buffy's house.
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  Track 1: Is pretty is pretty nice.
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  Track 2: Yeah parents always going away her parents are so different from Joyce you know
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  Track 2: like that Joyce that her parents are like,
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  Track 2: um i watched society not that long
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  Track 2: ago for uh my other
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  Track 2: podcast tender subject and her parents are like the
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  Track 2: society parents like they're always out they
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  Track 2: don't pay any attention to her whatsoever at one
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  Track 2: point she comes home really late and they're and like
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  Track 2: the mom is like do you know what time it is and she's like um and she looks
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  Track 2: at her watch and she's like oh good my watch is broken like yeah she doesn't
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  Track 2: care about yeah like she doesn't care about buffy at all meanwhile joyce was
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  Track 2: like fiercely protective yeah very much of buffy yeah i.
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  Track 1: Did love that joke actually i.
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  Track 2: It's a good one it's.
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  Track 3: Good yeah it's a good.
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  Track 2: Setup payoff there are some good silly jokes in this movie for sure yeah.
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  Track 1: The one of the other first things i noticed when i was watching it is the how
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  Track 1: i mean again i'm not uh my high school didn't have really have they had cheerleaders
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  Track 1: but it wasn't like a big thing we weren't like a sport kind of thing but the
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  Track 1: cheerleaders like at the beginning their routine is like pretty crappy.
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  Track 2: Yes like.
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  Track 1: Really yeah.
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  Track 3: It's definitely no um bring it on.
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  Track 1: Yeah they're just kind of like waving their hands around a few times and like call it a day right.
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  Track 2: It made me laugh because of how bad like there's some parts of this movie that
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  Track 2: are really funny because they're so unpolished and that was one of them like
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  Track 2: the cheerleaders are just like like they're really hot and popular but they're
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  Track 2: like not very good at what they do uncoordinated.
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  Track 3: And wearing like uh weird shorts like they're not they're not cheerleader skirts
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  Track 3: they have like a panel in the middle so it just looks like weird baggy shorts.
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  Track 2: Yes just.
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  Track 3: Really really crazy.
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  Track 1: Yeah,
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  Track 1: I don't know. I don't know where they were putting their effort into the film.
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  Track 1: Maybe they were like, we're not going to put a lot of effort into this.
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  Track 1: But it had a lot of people in it.
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  Track 3: Hilary Swank who I love Ben Affleck for like
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  Track 3: one hot second Ben Affleck for like two seconds yeah
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  Track 3: um I love the like subtle like queer subtext with Hilary Swank because there's
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  Track 3: a moment in the beginning where like a guy is sitting next to her as like she's
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  Track 3: in the bleachers for the cheerleader scene oh yeah guys a guy sits next to her
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  Track 3: and she just like stares daggers at him and then she starts It's like dancing with the cheerleaders.
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  Track 3: Like she's like so into it. And I was like, huh, that just made it maybe go
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  Track 3: like, oh, I see. I see what's going on.
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  Track 3: Which if you like if you have that thought in your head watching the rest of
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  Track 3: the movie, it makes a lot more sense why she is so much angrier than her other
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  Track 3: friends when Buffy like ditches her.
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  Track 3: It's like, oh, she's in love with her. Like, of course, like she's heartbroken.
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  Track 3: That makes a lot of sense.
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  Track 1: She gets the yellow leather jacket.
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  Track 2: Oh, man. And that leather jacket.
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  Track 3: Oh, so good.
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  Track 2: That's a pretty cool jacket. Another yellow jacket, a la the substance.
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  Track 2: Just, we have to, we love a yellow jacket in movies.
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  Track 1: I mean, and then to top it all off, just the fact that Donald Sutherland is
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  Track 1: in this, I was just talking right before this with my partner.
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  Track 1: I was like, how did they convince him to be in this movie?
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  Track 2: I know.
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  Track 3: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Track 2: And then Rutger Howard was hilarious.
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  Track 3: Yeah. so crazy yeah paul rubens who's like coming off of you know peewee fame
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  Track 3: like just insane ricky lake oh.
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  Track 2: Yeah ricky lake.
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  Track 3: Is the waitress that's so right apparently seth.
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  Track 2: Green is also in it but they.
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  Track 3: Cut yeah he's in the heart he's in the background and then you probably wouldn't
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  Track 3: know this if you don't know like voice actors but the principal oh is steven root steven root Yeah,
• 13:52
  Track 3: who was Bill Dothrieve in King of the Hill. And he does like a billion voice actor voices.
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  Track 2: Yeah, he's in news radio. He's been in a bunch of like Coen Brothers movies, I think.
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  Track 1: Yeah, I was going to say, he's been in like No Country for Old Men, maybe?
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  Track 2: Yeah, I think so. A few other ones. But yeah, he's like a real intense, oh, Office Space movie.
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  Track 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Track 2: He's such a character actor.
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  Track 3: He's so good.
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  Track 2: Yeah. How did everyone in the world get in this movie? It's so weird.
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  Track 1: I don't know. I mean, literally, Donald Sutherland was in JFK the year before
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  Track 1: this and was like, sure, I'll do this.
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  Track 2: And he and apparently he and Joss Whedon hated each other, which is very funny.
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  Track 2: Joss had a major problem with how, I guess, like, pretentious Donald Sutherland
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  Track 2: was, like, on the set. And it's like, Joss.
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  Track 3: I'm done. That and also Donald, I guess, did a lot of ad-libbing and Joss absolutely fucking hates that.
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  Track 3: Yeah, he doesn't like when people don't respect his words. Because,
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  Track 3: like, his words are very precious to him. They're like little angels,
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  Track 3: yeah, that he creates out of the ether or whatever. So the fact that that Donald
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  Track 3: was like disrespecting his craft.
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  Track 2: Right. But at this point, he had only done like episodes of Roseanne, which like no shade.
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  Track 3: I know.
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  Track 2: But like still, he wasn't Joss Whedon yet, you know?
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  Track 3: Right. Yeah.
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  Track 1: Well, he was acting like it, though, because apparently one of the first IMDB
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  Track 1: notes was that he got so mad with how it was being like rewritten that he left
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  Track 1: production and then never came back.
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  Track 3: Yeah.
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  Track 2: Yeah.
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  Track 3: In the middle of it.
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  Track 1: What a dick.
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  Track 2: I can't believe he got a job after that. I know.
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  Track 3: It's so crazy. The writing was already on the wall at this point.
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  Track 3: I just don't, I don't know. I mean, we all were fooled. And I don't know how we all were fooled.
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  Track 2: We should have listened to Donald Sutherland when we could.
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  Track 1: That's like a wisdom for anyone to just listen to Donald Sutherland.
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  Track 3: That's true.
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  Track 2: That guy was cool as shit.
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  Track 1: Yeah, like Invasion of Body Snatchers. No one listened to him.
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  Track 1: and then look what happened.
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  Track 2: That's right.
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  Track 3: Yeah.
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  Track 2: Didn't he also go to like...
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  Track 2: pro-palestine marches and stuff he was pretty cool he.
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  Track 1: Did i think i think you're right.
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  Track 2: Yeah yeah we should make t-shirts well.
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  Track 1: And i was i was just looking at my nose and i also had wrote down what a homeless
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  Track 1: as like the just ridiculous things to say and then the i think actually the
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  Track 1: funniest bit in like especially in the beginning was when they're talking about
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  Track 1: the the like the dance they have to come up with like the theme for the dance and they had to come.
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  Track 2: Socially conscious.
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  Track 1: Thing and when one of the friends said like we should call it don't tread on
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  Track 1: me i literally just absolutely lost it.
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  Track 3: Yeah like um okay.
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  Track 2: Yeah and then buffy is like but you have to it's the earth,
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  Track 2: that's a pretty fucking good joke i
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  Track 2: love um the various threats
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  Track 2: to the environment or one of the
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  Track 2: big ones bugs yeah bugs suck that was a really good that would have been a great
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  Track 2: um theme for the prom bugs bugs suck um and then the other one was like the
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  Track 2: ozone layer we should definitely get rid of that,
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  Track 2: oh man oh but
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  Track 2: yeah i really liked um it had a very specific
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  Track 2: look like um everyone's outfits
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  Track 2: had like a really fun aesthetic that
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  Track 2: like um i think by
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  Track 2: like the time buffy the show comes on people
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  Track 2: are doing more of that like dark uh
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  Track 2: like dark 90s like pleather yeah
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  Track 2: and like combat food kind of like yeah choker looking thing and then this movie
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  Track 2: is all like daisies and actually there's one of the scenes um what's her name
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  Track 2: i think hillary swank is wearing like a daisy print she was.
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  Track 1: I saw that in like the script it was like a screenshot of her wearing.
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  Track 2: That which which i have okay i have like
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  Track 2: a deep memory of somebody in 90210 is also wearing like a daisy print shirt
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  Track 2: in like the opening credits and it was like a betsy johnson shirt that was like
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  Track 2: really expensive and I remember thinking about it as a child and being like wow,
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  Track 2: I wish I could afford something that cool right so like,
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  Track 2: Yeah, it was so tight.
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  Track 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Track 2: Yeah, that was such a time period. And, like, the 80s were so much about,
• 18:44
  Track 2: like, 50s throwback stuff, you know?
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  Track 2: And so it was, like, all bright and flowery, and everyone's looks were, like, coordinated.
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  Track 2: You know, like, people didn't have their own, like, people didn't have their
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  Track 2: own look yet, really, like, in this movie.
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  Track 2: Like, everybody kind of just, like, coordinated with each other. right.
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  Track 1: They all had denim jackets on when they're at the mall i think like when they're.
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  Track 2: Going to see the.
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  Track 1: Movie and they're like deciding which they're like the the also the joke about
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  Track 1: like which movie theater to go to like.
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  Track 2: That was weird oh yeah yeah i was like is this an la kid joke like they know about just.
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  Track 3: Weird like product placement like joss doesn't know how to do product placement yet.
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  Track 2: They were like should we go to the amc oh no i don't like the project like the
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  Track 2: projector there whatever it's like what are you talking about what are you guys talking about,
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  Track 2: did they see what movie they go very funny i don't think so no it would have
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  Track 2: been funny if they did yeah oh man what movie do you think what movie came out
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  Track 2: in 1992 that they would have gone to see let's.
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  Track 1: See would have been well i guess would have been 91?
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  Track 2: Oh, Bram Stoker's Dracula. Oh! That's right. That came out at the same time.
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  Track 3: You know what? It would have been Last of the Mohicans.
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  Track 2: You think so?
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  Track 3: Yeah, that's such like a teen girly, like Oh, Cool World.
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  Track 3: Damn, 92 was great for movies. Batman Returns, Army of Darkness.
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  Track 2: Why do I get... It's so weird.
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  Track 3: Newsies, directed by Kenny Ortega.
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  Track 2: I feel like my computer knows who I am because it's like Barton Fink is the
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  Track 2: first thing that came up.
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  Track 2: And Delicatessen. I'm like, what?
• 20:37
  Track 2: You know they loved going to see Barton Fink. Oh, Silence of the Lambs came out in 1991, too.
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  Track 3: Yeah, that's a good one.
• 20:46
  Track 2: Yeah.
• 20:46
  Track 1: Well, they could have seen Donald Sutherland in JFK, and then he could have been in the movie.
• 20:51
  Track 2: And then they wouldn't have thought he was homeless.
• 20:55
  Track 1: There's no way that I could see them sitting through JFK. they'd be like what is this.
• 20:59
  Track 2: Yeah no they would be like who's this guy did.
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  Track 1: He die or something yeah.
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  Track 2: Was he like a president yeah this is let's see oh you know what else i thought
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  Track 2: was really funny was like at the beginning again like i feel like i can't help
• 21:19
  Track 2: but just like compare this to the tv show,
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  Track 2: there's like the whole thing about how like you know there's a watcher one dies
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  Track 2: and the next is chosen and then like that happens in the dark ages and then
• 21:34
  Track 2: um the valley in 1992 is the light ages l-i-t-e.
• 21:41
  Track 3: Yeah love that love that good goof well.
• 21:49
  Track 1: That's a that's like just generally being
• 21:52
  Track 1: that you're uh you know the tv show experts like
• 21:55
  Track 1: what do you think is the i mean i know that joss whedon
• 21:58
  Track 1: like has said that he didn't like the direction of this and he
• 22:01
  Track 1: was you know all of those things he really just like went the
• 22:04
  Track 1: opposite direction and by the mid 90s you
• 22:06
  Track 1: had a lot more things on tv that you know i think that they're probably the
• 22:10
  Track 1: vibe they're going for so you think it was like that show is more product of
• 22:15
  Track 1: like the mid 90s when tv was changing or i don't know what do you think was
• 22:20
  Track 1: this is like that late 80s kind of throw throwback.
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  Track 3: Yeah we still i feel like i
• 22:27
  Track 3: don't know i don't really know what could have happened like culturally or like
• 22:31
  Track 3: historically to kind of make this change because that's usually what happens
• 22:34
  Track 3: you know something happens and then it reflects in our culture like the thing
• 22:38
  Track 3: the kinds of things that we want to watch so i don't know what happened to make
• 22:41
  Track 3: us want to see like kind of darker things but you can definitely see,
• 22:47
  Track 3: like Joss like butting up against that uh
• 22:51
  Track 3: with with his writing and then the changes that they make because I read online
• 22:54
  Track 3: that like there's like some pretty buck wild stuff that he wanted to include
• 22:58
  Track 3: that the producers were like um we want like people to go and enjoy this movie
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  Track 3: so we're not gonna put that in there like Donald Southern was was supposed to
• 23:08
  Track 3: commit suicide oh yeah killed,
• 23:11
  Track 3: And I was like, what context would that even make sense for him,
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  Track 3: his character, to do that?
• 23:18
  Track 3: And then also, which is funny because they do reference it in the pilot episode of Buffy the TV show.
• 23:26
  Track 3: She's supposed to burn down the whole gym with everybody inside,
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  Track 3: including all the vampires.
• 23:31
  Track 3: And that's what sets her up to go to the new school.
• 23:35
  Track 3: But they thought that would be a little too morbid, so they just rode off into
• 23:39
  Track 3: the sunset on a motorcycle.
• 23:41
  Track 3: a stolen motorcycle but yeah.
• 23:43
  Track 2: I don't i don't.
• 23:44
  Track 3: Know what could have happened that made that kind of switch into something more darker.
• 23:48
  Track 2: I think there is like in the 90s you know you get like the x-files you get twin
• 23:54
  Track 2: peaks yeah um first hbo shows like yeah it was just really like.
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  Track 3: The birth of prestige tv you know.
• 24:04
  Track 2: Yeah and like i think that i don't know to me i feel like if you were kind of like an
• 24:11
  Track 2: alt teenager the x-files buffy
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  Track 2: and like twin peaks all kind of like belonged in in the
• 24:17
  Track 2: same world and like i know twin peaks obviously
• 24:20
  Track 2: is a million times more uh superior
• 24:25
  Track 2: but if you're a teenager let's
• 24:29
  Track 2: say aesthetically those things kind of all like smush
• 24:33
  Track 2: together um and there
• 24:36
  Track 2: was like a lot of vampire stuff that happened in like
• 24:39
  Track 2: the early 90s um and
• 24:43
  Track 2: like maybe just the like kind of silliness of the
• 24:46
  Track 2: 80s i feel like like i said before the 80s were like very 50s throwback conservatism
• 24:53
  Track 2: the 90s were kind of like um not that they were less conservative but they were
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  Track 2: rebellious yeah like i don't think that they they didn't have like there wasn't like a ton of,
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  Track 2: political um drive in like a lot of those shows like you know the x-files is
• 25:13
  Track 2: like now we look at it and we're like oh it's kind of conservative but right you know aesthetically,
• 25:21
  Track 2: it was more like all weirdo stuff yeah.
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  Track 3: On the on the surface.
• 25:26
  Track 2: Yeah yeah.
• 25:28
  Track 1: I was thinking too about the like x-files and twin peaks those are the first ones that came to mind as.
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  Track 2: Yeah like.
• 25:34
  Track 1: Darker vibe of things being less i just
• 25:38
  Track 1: try to make it more serious as opposed to being more goofy i mean i think there's
• 25:42
  Track 1: still you know obviously humor but it's not the same kind of uh in this where
• 25:47
  Track 1: i think when they're at the movie theater one of my absolute most ridiculous
• 25:50
  Track 1: lines was when one of the friends of buffy says take a chill lozenge,
• 25:57
  Track 1: yeah and where did that come from does that was that actually something that
• 26:01
  Track 1: people said or did joss whedon just like pull out i mean i've.
• 26:04
  Track 3: Heard take a chill pill.
• 26:06
  Track 1: Right that makes us heard.
• 26:07
  Track 3: That and was like well i i want a buck tradition and so i'm gonna make her say
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  Track 3: lozenge like like a 15 year old knows what that word is like yeah.
• 26:16
  Track 2: It is a very strange thing to say.
• 26:19
  Track 3: Yeah yeah.
• 26:20
  Track 1: I don't know yeah i could i could see that him just being like i want i don't
• 26:23
  Track 1: want to say the thing that everyone else says i want to say something different.
• 26:26
  Track 3: Right she's a valley girl but she's not that kind of valley girl.
• 26:29
  Track 1: That was that was the upgraded that's that was the elite you know valley girl
• 26:33
  Track 1: you know they have lozenges not pills yeah.
• 26:36
  Track 3: Right valley girl 2.0 yeah.
• 26:39
  Track 2: And then like the two guys you know they're supposed to be sort of like oh the
• 26:43
  Track 2: working class burnouts you.
• 26:45
  Track 3: Know burners yeah but.
• 26:47
  Track 2: Like they're so like when you
• 26:50
  Track 2: get them alone i have like this i wrote down a few things like after they leave
• 26:55
  Track 2: i think this is after they leave the theater and they're talking about like
• 26:59
  Track 2: how much they hate like all the stuck up rich bitches they're not even human
• 27:04
  Track 2: and then like one of them is like would you bone them though oh yeah definitely.
• 27:09
  Track 3: But then he's not even a question but.
• 27:12
  Track 2: Then he says uh i think this is what david arquette says but another shot of
• 27:16
  Track 2: this and i'll have sex with you and i was.
• 27:18
  Track 3: Like okay that's that's pretty dark.
• 27:21
  Track 2: And funny like that was that is a weird thing to say in like an 80s or early 90s like.
• 27:30
  Track 3: Teen it is it's a weird thing
• 27:33
  Track 3: to say in an 80s teen movie to have that kind of like
• 27:36
  Track 3: you know a homoerotic like bro-y
• 27:39
  Track 3: relationship but it's totally a thing that like teenage boys do like it felt
• 27:45
  Track 3: very believable to me it's like yeah we goof off about being like gay with each
• 27:49
  Track 3: other because we're like best bros or whatever so like the way that they talked
• 27:53
  Track 3: to each other in that scene felt like like a genuine moment to me yeah.
• 27:58
  Track 1: The funny thing is afterwards i think he says the uh he says back like and then you'll never call me.
• 28:03
  Track 3: Yeah he'll be like and you'll never you'll never call me back like
• 28:06
  Track 3: like they'd have a goofy which is funny because like
• 28:09
  Track 3: in in joss's tv version
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  Track 3: a lot of like the queer uh like
• 28:16
  Track 3: moments up until you get to you know willow coming out is very like gay panicky
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  Track 3: especially like with xander and like the the football bully or whatever so like
• 28:25
  Track 3: i don't know where this like weird little like comfortable gay moment came from
• 28:29
  Track 3: probably not from joss but who knows well.
• 28:33
  Track 1: I know there was a bunch of like being you know rewrites after you know that's
• 28:36
  Track 1: what i think what made him so angry they probably changed it to being a little bit less whatever.
• 28:41
  Track 3: Jossy and.
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  Track 1: Made a little.
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  Track 3: More.
• 28:44
  Track 1: I don't know, a little better perhaps and that snuck its way in there. Yeah, maybe.
• 28:51
  Track 1: He heard that joke and just ran off.
• 28:54
  Track 3: Yeah, probably.
• 28:55
  Track 2: Yeah, he's like, what, you'd have sex with him? No!
• 28:59
  Track 3: No!
• 29:00
  Track 2: Yeah, because there's no, like, Joss-like quips, and it's like,
• 29:05
  Track 2: is it because there were so many rewrites, or is it because he hadn't,
• 29:10
  Track 2: like, mastered his quips yet? We'll never know.
• 29:14
  Track 3: I feel like it's a little, I think it's a little bit of both,
• 29:16
  Track 3: because you do see some peeking out, like, I'll try to find one,
• 29:21
  Track 3: but, oh, no, it's Donald Sutherland. makes a joke and.
• 29:25
  Track 2: Buffy's like.
• 29:26
  Track 3: Oh you made a joke do you need to sit down like it hurts it hurts the first
• 29:30
  Track 3: time when you but you'll get.
• 29:31
  Track 2: You oh yeah that feels.
• 29:33
  Track 3: Kind of jossy to me.
• 29:34
  Track 2: Yeah he was developing his.
• 29:36
  Track 1: Uh his uh his style his whedonisms.
• 29:39
  Track 2: Yeah buffy would definitely say that to giles
• 29:42
  Track 2: and there's so like the their relationship is very yeah early early buffy to
• 29:50
  Track 2: giles like he definitely was like working on it but i'm sure like because he
• 29:54
  Track 2: didn't get along with donald sutherland like he couldn't really develop that
• 29:58
  Track 2: relationship very well right.
• 30:00
  Track 3: Yeah he probably didn't want to write more for donald than he.
• 30:03
  Track 2: Had yeah he didn't want to be around him probably all.
• 30:07
  Track 1: His lines are actually better than whatever was probably written for him it's probably why.
• 30:10
  Track 2: Probably yeah like the scene where.
• 30:14
  Track 1: They're in oh sorry go ahead.
• 30:15
  Track 2: Oh no no i was just gonna say i I thought it was also funny that Buffy,
• 30:19
  Track 2: so like in this version of Buffy, all the Slayers have like a birthmark.
• 30:27
  Track 2: And he's like, oh, let me see. Do you have this birthmark?
• 30:32
  Track 2: And she's like, ew, I had an ugly like mole removed. It was disgusting.
• 30:40
  Track 3: I love that. Yeah.
• 30:42
  Track 2: So perfect.
• 30:43
  Track 1: That entire scene where they're like where she's like confronts him for the
• 30:46
  Track 1: first time and she's just kind of like not even that phase that you're just
• 30:49
  Track 1: some old dude just kind of chatting with her in the gym. Like just everyone else around.
• 30:54
  Track 1: Then he's also in the locker room, too, which is a little creepy.
• 30:57
  Track 2: She does tell him that it's a naked place.
• 31:01
  Track 3: Yeah, that's also a very, like, Buffy thing to say.
• 31:04
  Track 2: Yeah.
• 31:05
  Track 3: Yeah, you can definitely tell that this was a pre-9-11 movie.
• 31:09
  Track 3: Because of the way that they just, like, don't give a shit if people are in
• 31:12
  Track 3: the school or outside of the school or.
• 31:14
  Track 2: You know.
• 31:15
  Track 3: It's very, like, loosey-goosey, not locked down, you know?
• 31:18
  Track 1: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you couldn't make this movie late. Well,
• 31:22
  Track 1: I mean, for a variety of reasons, but.
• 31:26
  Track 3: They tried. they tried josh said in 2018 he'd be up for a reboot and i was like.
• 31:31
  Track 2: Absolutely the.
• 31:31
  Track 3: Fuck not oh man not in a million years.
• 31:34
  Track 2: They've talked about yeah like rebooting various things forever like you know
• 31:40
  Track 2: the show or the movie yeah i think sarah michelle geller never do wants to reboot
• 31:45
  Track 2: the show but yeah i don't know we'll see it seems like inevitable nowadays right everything yeah,
• 31:53
  Track 2: Why would you think of something new to do if you could just do Buffy again?
• 31:58
  Track 3: Again, yeah.
• 32:00
  Track 1: And especially if the main person wants to come back like i think i saw this
• 32:04
  Track 1: is unrelated but since you mentioned x-files like david duchovny still wants
• 32:07
  Track 1: to do more x-files but jillian anderson's like no i'm done with that yeah.
• 32:11
  Track 2: Because she's got a really kick-ass career.
• 32:13
  Track 1: Yeah she's doing fantastic.
• 32:15
  Track 3: And looks amazing yeah yeah.
• 32:19
  Track 1: Why would she do any.
• 32:20
  Track 2: Anything new although david duchovny great little turn and the reboot of the
• 32:26
  Track 2: craft oh yeah that's right i remember he's.
• 32:31
  Track 3: Still getting work too.
• 32:32
  Track 2: He's fine yeah yeah yeah yeah.
• 32:35
  Track 1: He uh he actually belonged to the same gym that i went to and would get personal
• 32:42
  Track 1: training done like in the middle of the main like gym floor hilarious when he
• 32:46
  Track 1: could easily just afford his own gym or whatever you know he.
• 32:51
  Track 2: Just wanted everyone to look at him.
• 32:53
  Track 1: A hundred percent Amazing.
• 32:55
  Track 3: Just wanted everyone to see his, like, glistening peck.
• 32:58
  Track 2: His sod.
• 32:59
  Track 1: Yeah, and he would always have, like, a...
• 33:00
  Track 3: His californication?
• 33:01
  Track 1: ...sleeveless, you know, tank top on, you know, just doing his...
• 33:05
  Track 2: Grunting. You don't have to cut this out. Oh, that's the best of a day.
• 33:12
  Track 1: Well, and he, like, I don't live in the same neighborhood anymore,
• 33:15
  Track 1: but he also would, like, be walking his dogs also in the park,
• 33:18
  Track 1: and I would sometimes see him walking my dogs, and,
• 33:20
  Track 1: like, I never actually talked to him more than just being like,
• 33:22
  Track 1: hey, and then that albeit because our dogs like sniffing each other and then
• 33:26
  Track 1: you just kind of but I always joke that like I you know David Duchovny could have been my friend.
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  Track 3: That's why i couldn't live in la because every time i
• 33:39
  Track 3: saw a celebrity i would be like hi please please be my friend so i could tell
• 33:44
  Track 3: other people that i know yeah like oh man it's uh what's his fucking name jack
• 33:50
  Track 3: quaid please be my friend jack quaid like i couldn't do it oh man one.
• 33:58
  Track 1: Of the One of the other, like maybe this is a Joss Whedon one,
• 34:01
  Track 1: when Sutherland throws a knife, I think she calls him a sconehead.
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  Track 2: She does.
• 34:08
  Track 1: And that was a pretty incredible quip or I don't know. It's not really a burn. No, that one was great.
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  Track 3: Yeah, that's a good one.
• 34:18
  Track 2: She also, that's when she says her life goal was to graduate high school,
• 34:24
  Track 2: go to Europe, marry Christians later and die.
• 34:29
  Track 3: That's how you know it's a 90s movie, because Christian Slater was even a going concern.
• 34:34
  Track 2: Would you marry him in Europe or would you go to Europe? Like,
• 34:40
  Track 2: that's not where Christian Slater probably is.
• 34:45
  Track 2: I guess those are two separate things.
• 34:48
  Track 1: She would go there on like a teen, like one of those, you know,
• 34:52
  Track 1: after college European tours and then come back.
• 34:56
  Track 3: Yeah. go on a backpack self-discovery tour.
• 34:59
  Track 2: Right across the swiss alps and then go back.
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  Track 3: And christian's just waiting right there.
• 35:03
  Track 2: Oh and then she could die on the altar immediately she says i do.
• 35:08
  Track 3: And she doesn't even get to say i do because she.
• 35:10
  Track 2: Just immediately dies but it's i mean i guess like that leads into the whole
• 35:15
  Track 2: conversation about like you know being the chosen one and like um the thing
• 35:23
  Track 2: that the movie has that's similar to,
• 35:27
  Track 2: the tv show is that like you know buffy was this kind of like fun vacuous like
• 35:36
  Track 2: silly person who just like wanted to have a good time and then like suddenly
• 35:41
  Track 2: has this like weight on her shoulders and like how does she deal with those two things right.
• 35:46
  Track 3: Tries to balance.
• 35:48
  Track 1: Yeah she when she's in the graveyard i think she says like i i don't i've you
• 35:53
  Track 1: know i didn't don't want to have to be here like with you in a graveyard on
• 35:56
  Track 1: a school night like she just wants to go.
• 35:58
  Track 2: To cheerleading.
• 35:59
  Track 1: Practice and go to that you know bar restaurant that they go to.
• 36:03
  Track 2: Oh yeah like the bronze yeah the bronze yeah i guess the version of that but
• 36:09
  Track 2: yeah like she's like her life is like ruined.
• 36:10
  Track 1: Right like it's basically.
• 36:13
  Track 2: Yeah well and she becomes like kind of a pariah because she's not like her friends
• 36:20
  Track 2: anymore because she has this like other she has like knowledge that they don't have you know yeah.
• 36:28
  Track 1: In the show it's been a while since i've watched it like do they.
• 36:31
  Track 2: Do they.
• 36:32
  Track 1: Before buffy starts because like you know as she's the show the show goes by
• 36:37
  Track 1: is she meant to be like a really good student she was right or no.
• 36:41
  Track 2: Yeah it's pretty smart but she's pretty smart but it's yeah it's.
• 36:48
  Track 3: Also very like um plot convenient.
• 36:50
  Track 2: Yeah like um she doesn't.
• 36:52
  Track 3: Do well in school and so mom her mom is mad at her and so that that's a plot
• 36:57
  Track 3: thing but then also she like nails her sats she gets like a perfect score or
• 37:01
  Track 3: like close to a perfect score so it's like very inconsistent.
• 37:05
  Track 2: Yeah they.
• 37:06
  Track 1: Make her seem really they make her like seem like she doesn't care and is dumb
• 37:10
  Track 1: but then she actually is seemingly you know smart so.
• 37:14
  Track 2: Right i think it's kind of that like
• 37:17
  Track 2: um she is uh assumed
• 37:21
  Track 2: to be an idiot because she's like a blonde girl
• 37:25
  Track 2: who likes clothes you know right and like
• 37:28
  Track 2: she's playing against type and like in
• 37:31
  Track 2: the in the show in the show you you kind of get more of an idea like because
• 37:36
  Track 2: you know in the show the backstory is that she burned down her old high school
• 37:40
  Track 2: and she's like kind of more of a badass like people think she's like more of
• 37:45
  Track 2: a bad influence rather than like right,
• 37:49
  Track 2: like a dumb dumb,
• 37:52
  Track 2: Right.
• 37:53
  Track 1: OK. But yeah, they're afraid of her there.
• 37:56
  Track 2: Or just like intimidated by her
• 37:59
  Track 2: also because she's from la so like she's from
• 38:02
  Track 2: la and then moves to sunnydale which is like a suburb so
• 38:05
  Track 2: people are like ooh badass she's like
• 38:08
  Track 2: exotic chick from la yeah um who
• 38:11
  Track 2: burned down the school uh but yeah like she is often like she might be like
• 38:19
  Track 2: sleepy during the day because she like had to save the world the night before
• 38:23
  Track 2: and her teachers don't know that you know so there's like that kind of like
• 38:27
  Track 2: um tension i guess but it's not like,
• 38:32
  Track 2: not that often is she seen as like a dumb dumb it's more like she's seen as
• 38:37
  Track 2: like someone who's not applying herself yeah particularly in those.
• 38:41
  Track 3: Those high school days like the first like three seasons.
• 38:45
  Track 2: Yeah i guess you.
• 38:46
  Track 1: Could argue that's the same in this right she's just kind of trying to fit in
• 38:49
  Track 1: with her friends and just kind of seem like she says like i think she says she
• 38:52
  Track 1: gets like a c on a test and they're like mad that they had copied off her and uh right.
• 38:57
  Track 2: Oh right like.
• 38:58
  Track 1: She could have been applying herself she just you know chooses not to perhaps they don't.
• 39:03
  Track 2: Really it's not yeah like.
• 39:04
  Track 3: It's not cool to be a brain right.
• 39:06
  Track 2: Right yeah she strikes me as someone who's probably very smart and like just
• 39:11
  Track 2: like eventually she needs that to be a vampire slayer but like she doesn't,
• 39:19
  Track 2: um yeah like she wants to
• 39:22
  Track 2: be cool before being smart yeah and like she gets to use like in the show too
• 39:28
  Track 2: like Buffy is different because she has friends and like in the movie she's
• 39:34
  Track 2: different because she yeah I guess she also has friends but like she's she uses like her,
• 39:42
  Track 2: knowledge of like clothes and
• 39:45
  Track 2: stuff like the you know the thing where she the
• 39:48
  Track 2: hairspray like you know it's kind of the idea that like she wasn't trained from
• 39:54
  Track 2: the beginning in like you know martial arts or some shit but she has like various
• 39:59
  Track 2: little like silly kind of i don't know they're not street smarts but it's just
• 40:05
  Track 2: yeah ingenuity yeah yeah.
• 40:07
  Track 3: Exactly yeah specific to her You know, when Donald Sutherland is dying,
• 40:12
  Track 3: he's basically saying, like, you know, don't do things by the book like I've been teaching you.
• 40:18
  Track 3: Kind of come up with your own methods to, you know, kill the vampires and do
• 40:24
  Track 3: what you need to do to save the day.
• 40:25
  Track 3: So that's why she, yeah, she burns Rucker Hauer's head with a thing full of
• 40:32
  Track 3: hairspray. Like, it's crazy.
• 40:33
  Track 2: Which I thought was going to be how he, like, dies.
• 40:37
  Track 2: And he just, like, sort of shakes it off. but I guess it stops him for enough time.
• 40:42
  Track 3: Yeah, pauses him for...
• 40:44
  Track 3: a decent amount.
• 40:45
  Track 1: Well they i mean in this they also they allude to her like being like having
• 40:51
  Track 1: been like a tumbling or i don't know from her you know they just show her just
• 40:55
  Track 1: like doing like backflips and just oh yeah yeah yeah yeah doing all these things
• 41:00
  Track 1: and just she has this natural talent somehow yeah.
• 41:03
  Track 3: They said she well yeah she she has an innate slayer talent that donald sutherland
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  Track 3: helps her develop so that's that's part of it but then also i think they mentioned
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  Track 3: that she is not only just not only a cheerleader but their dance captain.
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  Track 1: Yeah so.
• 41:17
  Track 3: That might have have something to do with it too i i don't know what kind of
• 41:21
  Track 3: like dance captain-y stuff y'all had in or like flag core or whatever that y'all
• 41:26
  Track 3: had in your high school but mine was definitely not up to anything you know
• 41:31
  Track 3: anything that buffy could do.
• 41:33
  Track 1: Well she clearly wasn't using those skills in her cheerleading routine because
• 41:38
  Track 1: because they were just i mean maybe she didn't want to show off in front of
• 41:42
  Track 1: all of her friends and they're just.
• 41:44
  Track 2: When they're just doing the funky chicken.
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  Track 3: How funky is you know i
• 41:49
  Track 3: i sing that to myself like occasionally in the shower or whatever and i've never
• 41:54
  Track 3: remembered where i got it from but i guess i guess seven-year-old me like we're
• 41:59
  Track 3: just like really like clung to that little fucking stupid how how loose is a goose.
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  Track 2: My goose is totally loose.
• 42:10
  Track 1: I just actually remember so the Ben Affleck you mentioned Ben Affleck was in
• 42:17
  Track 1: it but there's also another actor who was in it for like a second at the like
• 42:21
  Track 1: right before you see Paul Rubens for the first time in sort of that like amusement park or like,
• 42:28
  Track 1: around there's another actor who's in it there's some other actor who was also
• 42:33
  Track 1: in Days and Confused and I know Ben Affleck was in that and i think there was
• 42:36
  Track 1: one other person too i just oh yeah must have been intentional is that who it was who were.
• 42:42
  Track 2: They in days and confused i love that movie it's okay if it's too hard.
• 42:47
  Track 1: Don dawson.
• 42:49
  Track 3: Hmm the the guy with like the the crow magnon shelf forehead oh.
• 42:54
  Track 2: Yeah i think he was one of the like bullies right um.
• 42:59
  Track 3: That was like chasing after the freshman yeah the basketball bully yeah.
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  Track 2: Um i could know that was after.
• 43:07
  Track 1: This no sorry go ahead.
• 43:08
  Track 2: What in the world was going on with their basketball coach who.
• 43:15
  Track 3: Was i i thought that was so interesting and i i
• 43:18
  Track 3: thought like oh this is definitely an early Joss
• 43:21
  Track 3: thing because like instead of making
• 43:24
  Track 3: the basketball coach like a you know a yelling
• 43:28
  Track 3: screaming meathead jock you know
• 43:30
  Track 3: former player who now like teaches these kids
• 43:34
  Track 3: he's like a 90s business manifestation motivational
• 43:38
  Track 3: speaker yes and I was like
• 43:40
  Track 3: that's such a powerful choice and like so funny because that was also a big
• 43:46
  Track 3: thing in the 90s was like you know align your chakras or whatever like all that
• 43:51
  Track 3: witchy like turquoise jewelry crystal voodoo shit like yeah that was just so
• 43:56
  Track 3: hysterical and like such a funny a funny choice to like,
• 44:00
  Track 3: again buck that kind of like stereotypical role i.
• 44:04
  Track 1: Kept thinking that maybe he was like he you know because he's he's doing this
• 44:08
  Track 1: as a basketball coach at a high school it's not like a you know maybe he was
• 44:11
  Track 1: like an 80s uh i don't know some kind of like someone from glenn gary glenn ross uh film like.
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  Track 3: And he just like was in.
• 44:19
  Track 1: Like an mlm and he like failed and now he's like a high school teacher.
• 44:22
  Track 3: That's exactly what he's like yeah.
• 44:24
  Track 2: Like he was in a.
• 44:25
  Track 3: Culty mlm and.
• 44:28
  Track 2: He dropped out and like now he's a basketball coach it's it was such a choice.
• 44:34
  Track 3: Yeah like but so weird the story that i made up in my head is like because like
• 44:40
  Track 3: in my high school our driver's ed teacher was also our football coach,
• 44:45
  Track 3: they just needed to have him on payroll so they could keep having him do football stuff.
• 44:49
  Track 2: Sure.
• 44:50
  Track 3: So my thought was this guy's like a,
• 44:54
  Track 3: not like home ec but like a business prep like a kind of a weird um elective
• 45:01
  Track 3: teacher and then their basketball coach like quit or got fired so they put him
• 45:05
  Track 3: in that role and he was like well i'll just mold the two together i.
• 45:09
  Track 2: Could see that too it's a very funny i really like it as a choice for like a
• 45:15
  Track 2: high school in la i think it's.
• 45:17
  Track 3: Really funny but so.
• 45:19
  Track 2: Weird like so specific.
• 45:22
  Track 1: And he's looking at the the like the board he's like are we x's or o's like he.
• 45:26
  Track 3: Doesn't even actually know anything about basketball at all upside down yeah incredible stuff.
• 45:32
  Track 2: Like really funny and i also love that their their like team like mascot is like a pig.
• 45:39
  Track 3: Oh that mascot costume at
• 45:42
  Track 3: the beginning was that man is an
• 45:45
  Track 3: actual nightmare weaver yeah that was so fucking
• 45:49
  Track 3: terrifying it reminds me of those like old those really really old pictures
• 45:53
  Track 3: of like creepy kids uh dressed up for halloween in like the 1920s or whatever
• 45:57
  Track 3: where they just have these really fucked up masks i was like that thing is going
• 46:01
  Track 3: to haunt my nightmares i'm never gonna eat bacon again yeah creepy it looks like um.
• 46:06
  Track 2: The like the killer in motel hell.
• 46:11
  Track 3: Um where he's like he's.
• 46:14
  Track 2: Wearing like a pig mask and he's like wielding a chainsaw.
• 46:17
  Track 3: Like it's so scary oh it's awful really gross that's like this.
• 46:22
  Track 2: That was the scariest part for you right leslie.
• 46:25
  Track 3: Yeah absolutely yeah i actually turned it off i haven't seen the rest of the
• 46:30
  Track 3: movie i got too scared after that part and then i just you know.
• 46:37
  Track 1: It's what's funny though in general is that there is like lots of things about
• 46:40
  Track 1: this movie that are clearly funny, but I don't know if it's necessarily like,
• 46:45
  Track 1: ha ha, funny, like you're watching and you're just laughing constantly.
• 46:48
  Track 1: It's just like, oh wow, that is just, it's a funny choice that they decided
• 46:52
  Track 1: to make in this, in this movie.
• 46:54
  Track 1: And like the plot, I guess we kind of didn't really, I didn't really sketch out the plot.
• 46:59
  Track 1: I mean, it's kind of very, if you've seen the show or you know the,
• 47:02
  Track 1: the film, like the, you know, the vampires slowly take over the high school
• 47:07
  Track 1: and then there's a huge you know final kind of battle at the high school and.
• 47:11
  Track 3: Yeah it's also very like yeah it's also very like classic like hero's journey
• 47:16
  Track 3: with all the different steps you know like she rejects her calling something
• 47:21
  Track 3: happens where she finally picks up the mantle a final conflict at the end and
• 47:25
  Track 3: then and then a denouement at the at the end so it's very classic I know.
• 47:30
  Track 3: Hey, I took French in college.
• 47:34
  Track 3: Whoa. But you know that,
• 47:38
  Track 3: The beats are very familiar.
• 47:40
  Track 2: Yeah.
• 47:40
  Track 1: Yeah, that's true. It is very, very similar. And yeah, and we briefly,
• 47:45
  Track 1: I mentioned that like Luke Perry is, and we haven't really talked about his character.
• 47:48
  Track 1: I think you did say, Kate, that he was like this, you know, like the working
• 47:51
  Track 1: class burnout who's really good with cars.
• 47:54
  Track 1: And I think also he, his boss, his boss like brags about paying him like too
• 47:58
  Track 1: little for like to go to work.
• 48:00
  Track 1: It's like, oh, way to be just exploited by this guy and like not,
• 48:04
  Track 1: open your own shop. I don't know, do something.
• 48:07
  Track 3: Seriously.
• 48:07
  Track 2: Yeah, I couldn't tell if he was like, was he older, like a couple of years older
• 48:13
  Track 2: and then just kind of stayed in town?
• 48:16
  Track 2: Like what his story was that about that?
• 48:20
  Track 1: But like Buffy didn't know who he was, right? They didn't know that he was or did they?
• 48:24
  Track 1: I don't think so. When they were at the restaurant, they didn't know who they
• 48:27
  Track 1: were. So, yeah, I'm pretty sure like much older.
• 48:30
  Track 3: Either yeah either he had dropped out or was not for some reason not attending
• 48:35
  Track 3: high school or like buffy was so like plugged into only like the popular group
• 48:40
  Track 3: that she like never even noticed him in the hallways you know what i mean.
• 48:44
  Track 2: Right yeah yeah um yeah and then very his best friend,
• 48:51
  Track 2: um gets turned pretty early
• 48:54
  Track 2: on and like that that scene where um
• 48:57
  Track 2: he's like floating like i
• 49:00
  Track 2: guess for like luke perry lives in
• 49:03
  Track 2: like a i don't know like a shipping container like
• 49:07
  Track 2: above the the car
• 49:10
  Track 2: repair place or something i don't know i mean that makes
• 49:13
  Track 2: sense yeah i would yeah so um
• 49:17
  Track 2: you see uh david arquette's
• 49:20
  Track 2: character like look into
• 49:23
  Track 2: his window and he's like hey man you gotta let me in
• 49:26
  Track 2: and like that's you know one of the rule the vampire rules
• 49:29
  Track 2: that carries on um carries on through buffy and i guess like many other things
• 49:36
  Track 2: you know that they have to be invited in and um he's like he's like let me in
• 49:42
  Track 2: man and the other guy pike is like you're floating i'm not letting you in,
• 49:52
  Track 2: he doesn't even like think it's weird he's not like he's not like why are you floating,
• 49:59
  Track 2: he's just like i'm not letting you in because you're floating and i think that's
• 50:03
  Track 2: sort of weird but i don't want to know anything yeah he's very like.
• 50:08
  Track 3: Accepting of it.
• 50:09
  Track 2: Almost yeah okay this.
• 50:11
  Track 1: Is happening well he says something like there's something weird going on in this town it's like.
• 50:18
  Track 3: Mellow about it.
• 50:19
  Track 2: Maybe he's like the proto.
• 50:20
  Track 3: Like the proto oz because.
• 50:22
  Track 2: Oh yeah step green in the tv show he just kind of like immediately.
• 50:26
  Track 3: Accepts everything that's.
• 50:27
  Track 2: Going on he's like actually.
• 50:29
  Track 3: That makes a lot of sense like with all the things going on and the weird things
• 50:32
  Track 3: in sunnydale so well then he.
• 50:34
  Track 2: Then he.
• 50:35
  Track 1: Has the oh sorry.
• 50:36
  Track 2: Oh no no i was gonna say like what you said leslie that was a cool moment when
• 50:42
  Track 2: um christy's when buffy is like haven't you guys noticed this place is weird,
• 50:49
  Track 2: right because that's like a thing that people in the tv show are always sort
• 50:55
  Track 2: of trying to like push to the back of their minds you know like they don't want to think about or.
• 51:01
  Track 3: It or just.
• 51:02
  Track 2: Ignore it entirely.
• 51:03
  Track 1: Like yeah yeah well then is it i think it's right after that scene when he uh
• 51:08
  Track 1: like realizes like he his friend's floating he's like i'm not gonna.
• 51:11
  Track 2: I'm not gonna hang out with you.
• 51:13
  Track 1: And then he like.
• 51:14
  Track 2: He's then driving.
• 51:14
  Track 1: He's driving again like in that same they keep driving along that like bluff
• 51:19
  Track 1: above the town or whatever like they just keep going to that one spot and he's
• 51:23
  Track 1: driving and then he gets chased by the vampires there and has to you know you
• 51:27
  Track 1: know he cuts off it or i guess accidentally cuts off his arm right like he hits the oh paul rubens.
• 51:33
  Track 2: Yeah just pulls paul rubens arm off and then later calls him lefty which was
• 51:39
  Track 2: very funny that's very funny.
• 51:41
  Track 3: I like that his van is the same color scheme as the Scooby-Doo Mystery Mobile,
• 51:49
  Track 3: and Jax would later call the team the Scoobies, so I thought that was a nice
• 51:52
  Track 3: little sign of things to come.
• 51:58
  Track 1: Interesting. I didn't catch the color of the van there.
• 52:01
  Track 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's blue and green of the Mystery Mobile.
• 52:06
  Track 2: What did you guys think of the vampire um just like the vamp look and yeah aesthetic of vamps.
• 52:18
  Track 1: Do you think that it kind of had the vibe of the the bram stoker's dracula from
• 52:23
  Track 1: i guess what like the year before like that kind of uh once he's changed not
• 52:29
  Track 1: like at the beginning of the film like this very i don't know.
• 52:33
  Track 3: It's um it's interesting that
• 52:36
  Track 3: this might be for like budgetary reasons but there wasn't a whole lot different
• 52:42
  Track 3: about them their ears were a little messed up and they also like they were paler
• 52:46
  Track 3: and had the teeth but like the the buffy in the show they get very monstrous
• 52:52
  Track 3: they have very like pronounced like forehead ridges almost like uh,
• 52:56
  Track 3: like the guys in star trek you know um oh my god people are screaming at me
• 53:01
  Track 3: because i can't remember what they're called klingons there we go thank you um,
• 53:06
  Track 3: So, yeah, I like the TV look better because it is more monstrous.
• 53:14
  Track 3: And also, they have to consciously shift into more humanoid form.
• 53:23
  Track 3: And so they have to constantly be thinking about, okay, I have to almost doing Kegel exercises.
• 53:30
  Track 2: Jesus Christ.
• 53:31
  Track 3: You have to be tightening that muscle that makes you look more human.
• 53:36
  Track 3: instead of just like letting it all out and turning super vampy.
• 53:40
  Track 1: Yeah, I mean, Paul Rubens doesn't really look anything other than just kind
• 53:43
  Track 1: of his face has, you know, like makeup on it.
• 53:45
  Track 3: Yeah, like the goatee does more for Paul Rubens than anything else about him.
• 53:50
  Track 3: Like, holy shit. Can we talk about him?
• 53:53
  Track 2: Yeah, let's talk about Paul Rubens.
• 53:55
  Track 3: And entrance, him like viciously lapping on that merry-go-round as it slowly
• 54:01
  Track 3: turns and he's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, I'm gonna fuck you clean up.
• 54:05
  Track 3: oh i i've never i've never thought the word sexy when i think about paul rubens
• 54:13
  Track 3: until i until today when i rewatched this because i was like holy shit like
• 54:18
  Track 3: i never knew he was right there all along yeah.
• 54:22
  Track 1: He and like his uh his attire too again is very it's not like particularly fancy but yeah he looks uh.
• 54:29
  Track 3: No yeah he's very like yeah like like big fat uh leather jacket and like the hair like crazy you.
• 54:38
  Track 1: Know he looks like um um he looks like one of the he looks like keifer sutherland like the lost boys.
• 54:44
  Track 3: Yes this yeah sorry oh i'm kidding i'm kidding the vibe no they're not not as
• 54:52
  Track 3: cool but yeah they definitely have a lost boys ish yeah i.
• 54:56
  Track 2: Mean that makes sense it's right around the like,
• 54:59
  Track 2: that era like that they would be copying that look probably right i.
• 55:05
  Track 1: Think i saw that that was one of joss whedon's like inspirations maybe that seeped into my brain.
• 55:11
  Track 2: Yeah it's definitely that was like four.
• 55:14
  Track 1: Years before it.
• 55:14
  Track 2: Low low budget lost boys outfits
• 55:18
  Track 2: um yeah but
• 55:21
  Track 2: paul rubin's amazing i do love that
• 55:24
  Track 2: he just like appears it was kind of funny because
• 55:27
  Track 2: he's like just cackling on the carousel and like it doesn't really get a lot
• 55:32
  Track 2: of attention like they just kind of are like oh this guy's laughing on the carousel
• 55:38
  Track 2: and then like scene yeah Finn yeah right no he's just incredible like the whole van.
• 55:47
  Track 3: Riding thing with the arm was very funny.
• 55:49
  Track 2: And the first thing he says.
• 55:51
  Track 3: Afterwards is like you messed up my jacket man.
• 55:54
  Track 2: I think he just was like listen i'm in this movie i'm gonna give it my absolute all yeah that's.
• 56:01
  Track 3: The thing is nobody's phoning it in in this movie no not a single person which
• 56:07
  Track 3: is like that's the mark of like a great bad movie.
• 56:10
  Track 2: Yeah like when.
• 56:12
  Track 3: When either somebody is really committed or like so not committed that it's
• 56:18
  Track 3: just absolutely fucking insane and funny yeah.
• 56:21
  Track 2: Does not.
• 56:22
  Track 1: Mail it in.
• 56:23
  Track 2: No it's like everybody's in
• 56:26
  Track 2: a different movie maybe but they're all in a movie that they're like working
• 56:32
  Track 2: really hard to be in because the tone shifts in this movie are insane and like
• 56:40
  Track 2: the other thing I think that was really hard was like the music,
• 56:46
  Track 2: is oh god it's.
• 56:49
  Track 3: So crazy the scene where she is fighting the guy in the alley.
• 56:53
  Track 2: Yeah it sounds.
• 56:55
  Track 3: Like it sounds like a mix between like circus music and the.
• 56:58
  Track 2: Kind that you that you that.
• 57:00
  Track 3: You hear when you get put on hold at your dentist office.
• 57:03
  Track 2: It's like what is this yeah like
• 57:06
  Track 2: listening to it's so not scary or
• 57:09
  Track 2: like um like thrilling or yeah
• 57:13
  Track 2: there's no like like suspense at
• 57:16
  Track 2: all it like cuts out all the suspense fucking goopy
• 57:20
  Track 2: and then there were moments yeah i
• 57:23
  Track 2: don't know and then there were like moments of like there's
• 57:26
  Track 2: fighting where there's it's like silent which is
• 57:30
  Track 2: also weird right yeah they ran
• 57:33
  Track 2: out of budget or something yeah i also think my
• 57:36
  Track 2: movie was mixed i think like the sound was mixed really weird uh the one that
• 57:40
  Track 2: i watched because it would get like really quiet and really loud sometimes and
• 57:44
  Track 2: like for instance at the dance it was like insanely quiet and i wanted the music
• 57:51
  Track 2: to be like really loud yeah it was weird oh that's funny yeah yeah.
• 57:55
  Track 1: Looking at the soundtrack there's a bunch of like there's a bunch of very era
• 57:59
  Track 1: specific bands i don't know what.
• 58:01
  Track 2: Song was playing.
• 58:02
  Track 1: In that scene but there's like an ozzy song they have the rem song which wasn't
• 58:07
  Track 1: on the soundtrack i guess maybe whatever reason towed.
• 58:10
  Track 2: The wet sprocket pantera.
• 58:13
  Track 1: At the end.
• 58:16
  Track 2: Oh, yeah.
• 58:16
  Track 1: Interesting soundtrack.
• 58:18
  Track 2: Yeah.
• 58:18
  Track 1: I don't know if it doesn't fit the vibe.
• 58:20
  Track 2: I think they just could have used the music, like, more to their advantage.
• 58:25
  Track 2: Like, there was no music that, like, kicked in real hard, you know,
• 58:29
  Track 2: where you're just like, oh, they're about to fight.
• 58:32
  Track 2: Like, play Pantera really loud at, like, the dance when everybody's fighting
• 58:37
  Track 2: or something. I don't know.
• 58:39
  Track 1: Yeah, there was no good, like, needle drops.
• 58:42
  Track 2: Yeah. Yeah, and like there was a DJ vampire.
• 58:46
  Track 1: That's right.
• 58:47
  Track 2: Like he should have come in and really done a needle drop, but he didn't.
• 58:52
  Track 3: Yeah, some like Depeche Mode or something.
• 58:55
  Track 2: Yeah, vampires love Depeche Mode.
• 58:57
  Track 3: Yeah.
• 58:59
  Track 1: Yeah, think of all the good music in Blade. Like that movie had like tons of.
• 59:02
  Track 3: Oh, fuck. Yeah. Oh, man.
• 59:04
  Track 2: Yeah, I do want every vampire. like anytime there's a club scene in a vampire
• 59:13
  Track 2: movie I just want it to be like a blood rave you know I feel like that's what
• 59:18
  Track 2: it needs that's like the height of like a vampire club scene.
• 59:23
  Track 1: If they had the money they could have you know if they turned the entire school
• 59:29
  Track 1: at the end instead of losing they could have then had some blood squirting out of the school's.
• 59:35
  Track 2: Sprinklers That's right. There wasn't really any blood, was there?
• 59:39
  Track 1: No, not really.
• 59:41
  Track 2: Is it a PG?
• 59:41
  Track 3: No, yeah.
• 59:42
  Track 2: Is it a PG-13 movie? Maybe it is.
• 59:47
  Track 1: I think it had to be. There weren't, I don't think there was any.
• 59:50
  Track 3: Yes, there was.
• 59:51
  Track 1: Oh, PG-13.
• 59:51
  Track 2: Yeah.
• 59:52
  Track 1: There's no, they don't say fuck, I don't think, even once.
• 59:55
  Track 2: Yeah. So, like, they can't have that much blood. And then, like,
• 59:59
  Track 2: yeah, the vampire's dying.
• 1:00:01
  Track 2: I wish that they had come up with some...
• 1:00:04
  Track 3: Oh, yeah, they just kind of die like people, which I really don't like.
• 1:00:09
  Track 2: No, I really want them. I love when they dust or something.
• 1:00:15
  Track 3: Like, yeah, because it solidifies that they're no longer human beings, you know?
• 1:00:22
  Track 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:00:23
  Track 3: Paul Reuben's just fucking, Paul Reuben's, like,
• 1:00:27
  Track 3: corpsing for, like, almost 45 seconds, going, like, and then finally dying,
• 1:00:34
  Track 3: like, in the stairwell is, like, so, like, so, like, degrading and undignified. It's like, no.
• 1:00:41
  Track 2: For a vampire.
• 1:00:43
  Track 3: Yeah, for a big, powerful, the second-hand commander to fucking Rutger Hauer,
• 1:00:50
  Track 3: he needed to do a little more pizzazz in his death. I don't know.
• 1:00:55
  Track 3: Yeah, a little more oomph.
• 1:00:56
  Track 1: I couldn't find anything that said this, but I almost wonder if his death scene
• 1:00:59
  Track 1: was like, he just did that on one of the takes.
• 1:01:02
  Track 1: And like, this is actually really funny. We should just do that.
• 1:01:05
  Track 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:01:05
  Track 2: A hundred percent.
• 1:01:06
  Track 1: Right? Yeah.
• 1:01:07
  Track 3: You know, yeah, they were in fucking stitches and they were like,
• 1:01:10
  Track 3: you know what, let's just keep it in there. Because at the end,
• 1:01:13
  Track 3: like, during the credits, they play more of it.
• 1:01:17
  Track 1: Right. They probably have five minutes of that.
• 1:01:19
  Track 3: Yeah. They really, really thought that was just fucking the bee's knees. Like, loved it.
• 1:01:27
  Track 2: It's funny. I mean, yeah. I'm sure they just were like, yeah, sure.
• 1:01:33
  Track 3: It's funny. But again, it's, like, tonally weird. Like, it didn't.
• 1:01:39
  Track 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:39
  Track 1: I think the whole, if they had toned down some of the cheesiness and went more
• 1:01:45
  Track 1: with maybe not quite the darkness or the level of the show, they could have would have just been,
• 1:01:52
  Track 1: like, they could have still used, like, the funny Valley Girl stuff,
• 1:01:56
  Track 1: but made it seem, like, fit in with, like, a darker sound.
• 1:01:59
  Track 1: I don't know. Something to meld it to.
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  Track 3: Yeah. I think a little more contrast would have been nice.
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  Track 1: Just too too much cheesiness and then it ends with like the most silly death
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  Track 1: of like any per any vampire any movie.
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  Track 2: I can think of or.
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  Track 1: Any any death really it's just ridiculous yeah.
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  Track 2: Yeah and like it's i mean i feel
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  Track 2: like yeah there's so this weekend i i re-watched um scream one and two,
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  Track 2: and um which are both just yeah it's
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  Track 2: just like so speaking of david arquette speaking of david arquette
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  Track 2: um who like i see i feel like yeah at that point was like much much more of
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  Track 2: a known entity as david arquette um but you know there's like the whole thing
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  Track 2: in in scream that the self-consciousness of like um,
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  Track 2: when someone dies like they didn't really die you
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  Track 2: know you got to check on them one more time and like
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  Track 2: i wonder if they were doing kind
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  Track 2: of something in that world but like it didn't really hit you know it's like
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  Track 2: oh well you know maybe pretend to be dead and then she like looks over and he's
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  Track 2: like ha ha still not dead yet you know like i don't know it needs something like that but um yeah.
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  Track 3: Like um maybe like at the end of the buffy versus dracula episode.
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  Track 2: Oh right where.
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  Track 3: He's like a he's like a smoke entity and she's like get get out of here and
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  Track 3: then he comes back and she's like i see you like.
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  Track 2: Yeah i know you're there i know you're still
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  Track 2: there i know you don't actually die um yeah
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  Track 2: oh you know what i was thinking it was funny that we just talked about
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  Track 2: well we all have talked about nosferatu like in our
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  Track 2: own our own podcasts but like
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  Track 2: um there's a similar thing again
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  Track 2: another like sort of vampire trope that like
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  Track 2: the master vampire and buffy
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  Track 2: like like belong together which is
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  Track 2: interesting um and in this
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  Track 2: like you know there's no establishment of
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  Track 2: why so you're just kind of like uh
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  Track 2: okay like it's not believable at
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  Track 2: all but like in you know I was thinking about because we
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  Track 2: all just recently watched Noseratu like how well how much more that's established
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  Track 2: you know that like um there's there's no reason I don't think why he would think
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  Track 2: that Buffy like belongs to him as far as I could tell.
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  Track 3: Yeah it doesn't really tell you it doesn't really show you how they're interconnected
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  Track 3: I guess just because he's evil and she's good and good always you know triumphs
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  Track 3: over evil but evil's always around so it's just sort of like that vague general
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  Track 3: concept that we all like kind of agree on.
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  Track 1: And they used those flashback dream scenes, I guess, in the beginning,
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  Track 1: where they just try and make it seem like as long as history has existed,
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  Track 1: these two fought against each other, they should just be together instead.
• 1:05:21
  Track 1: It's better. I don't know. Some kind of...
• 1:05:25
  Track 1: i don't know what the what that would be exactly.
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  Track 2: Yeah yeah i just thought it was interesting that
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  Track 2: it like became it was like part of this movie too
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  Track 2: that it's like enough of sort of like a well-worn um vampire trope you know
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  Track 2: that they were like oh throw that little bit in there too that like they belong
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  Track 2: together because they're you know like good and evil yeah rather you know yeah.
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  Track 1: Like they purposely don't they like keep letting her live you know quote end
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  Track 1: quotes like letting her live so they could have the final battle you know or the final showdown.
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  Track 2: Yeah right which is a very yeah that happens on the show a lot too where it's
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  Track 2: like oh don't kill her yet like we gotta torture her more which is hilarious
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  Track 2: you know that's why buffy never ends up getting killed because like spike will
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  Track 2: be like i'm not gonna kill her yet i'm gonna make her feel really bad for a
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  Track 2: while yeah maybe maybe that's.
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  Track 3: Why josh left the movies because they were like we don't want you to torture buffy the character and.
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  Track 2: Josh was like oh that's all.
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  Track 3: I want to do.
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  Track 2: He's like really that's the only way i can finish oh god sorry but you know what i mean like yeah he.
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  Track 1: Couldn't finish the movie so yeah.
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  Track 2: Yeah that's what i meant finish the movie yeah okay cool cool,
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  Track 2: um but yeah it's i don't know that's that it just made me think about how like
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  Track 2: there's that whole thing always that's like we're made for each other like you
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  Track 2: always have to have like the sexiness of the vampire that's like yeah come be
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  Track 2: with me we will live together forever yeah.
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  Track 3: That's a little hard to do when your partner is rutger hauer like he's just
• 1:07:12
  Track 3: not very also in like a Rutger Hauer in like a Party City.
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  Track 2: Dracula costume complete with spats. Like literally a $10 cape.
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  Track 3: And like the fucking like the most village people ass gay little mustache I've ever seen.
• 1:07:30
  Track 3: Like holy shit. I'm just like no I don't think so sir. I don't think so Mr. Mr.
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  Track 2: Hauer.
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  Track 3: Mr. Hauer no thank you.
• 1:07:40
  Track 1: I was looking at his like filmography photography.
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  Track 1: I don't know if you could guess how many movies he's been in that have the word
• 1:07:47
  Track 1: blood in them. Oh, yeah. It's a lot of them.
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  Track 3: A lot. Yeah. He was big in those B-movie action movies. He did a lot of stuff
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  Track 3: with, fuck, what's his name? Cameron Mitchell.
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  Track 3: So that's kind of like the caliber of the movie he was working with,
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  Track 3: especially late in his game.
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  Track 2: Yeah.
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  Track 1: He was in a movie called Dracula 3, direct-to-DVD.
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  Track 2: Yeah, that's right.
• 1:08:12
  Track 1: Which I have not seen, but it sounds... I didn't know they made a third one of that series.
• 1:08:19
  Track 2: That's pretty awesome that they just were like, let's just call it that.
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  Track 3: Let's just call it that.
• 1:08:26
  Track 1: Dracula 3 Legacy.
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  Track 2: Nice.
• 1:08:29
  Track 3: Hobo with a Shotgun, though, that's a good-ass movie. Hobo with a Shotgun's
• 1:08:34
  Track 3: very good. Anyway, sorry, that's not what we're here to talk about.
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  Track 1: No. Well, he was also in, was he in Batman Returns? No, he wasn't.
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  Track 2: I can never get any of the Batman.
• 1:08:45
  Track 1: No, he wasn't. I only say that because I think that Paul Rubens was in Batman
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  Track 1: Returns briefly. I saw that.
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  Track 3: Oh, you know what? I think you're right. One of them.
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  Track 1: Yeah. That was his first, like, this was like his first big movie back from
• 1:08:57
  Track 1: his, you know, legal troubles of his arrest.
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  Track 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:01
  Track 1: Pee Wee Herman gets in trouble.
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  Track 2: So weird.
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  Track 3: That's my favorite one of his movies Pee.
• 1:09:08
  Track 2: Wee Herman Gets in Trouble.
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  Track 3: Pee Wee Herman Gets in Trouble that's.
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  Track 1: A sequel to Big Adventure.
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  Track 3: Underrated yeah really good one one last thing in my notes that kind of plays on the like kind of,
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  Track 3: like innate nature of buffy's like
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  Track 3: you know being the chosen one or whatever is that
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  Track 3: um in this one she she almost
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  Track 3: has like a physical like bodily reaction whenever
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  Track 3: there's oh yeah vampire nearby she basically has
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  Track 3: like pms cramps she calls them but i thought
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  Track 3: that was like i thought that would or it could be
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  Track 3: a very cool concept that her literal
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  Track 3: biology plays into her being
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  Track 3: the chosen one like to emphasize that slaying is literally written into her
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  Track 3: dna yeah um but because i know it's joss i know it's just kind of like it's
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  Track 3: got this kind of creepy veneer on it that just kind of ruins the whole idea that's like oh it.
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  Track 1: Seems like that was like just for a joke where she would be like oh so i have.
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  Track 3: Yeah just to say yeah she's got pms and
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  Track 3: it's also like her her vamp detector and it's like yeah
• 1:10:21
  Track 3: yeah you're right like that
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  Track 3: could have been really cool like if
• 1:10:27
  Track 3: it was written by a sensitive person exactly yeah
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  Track 3: and that like how many times have we talked about stuff
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  Track 3: like that it's like this could have been such a neat idea but because joss doesn't
• 1:10:38
  Track 3: know how to handle it it just gets totally like ruined yeah like it doesn't
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  Track 3: go far enough or it like totally misses the mark it's like this is like this
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  Track 3: is like core joss right here is this like this choice to do that well.
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  Track 2: It reminds me of like um ginger snaps where.
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  Track 3: Yeah well you.
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  Track 2: Know where it's like it is like you know how often we talk about how buffy the
• 1:11:07
  Track 2: show is about being a teenager,
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  Track 2: and it's, like, a heightened experience of, like, how fucked up it already feels to be a teenager.
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  Track 2: And, like, part of the experience of being a teenager, if you have a vagina,
• 1:11:27
  Track 2: is, like, you're going to get your period and, like, that would...
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  Track 2: And it's difficult and confusing and, like, it would be cool if that was,
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  Track 2: like, part of the Slayer experience, you know?
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  Track 2: If it was done, like you said, in a way that was, like...
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  Track 2: not creepy because you know he.
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  Track 1: Was thinking a creepy way.
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  Track 2: Yeah because yeah absolutely interesting yeah
• 1:11:51
  Track 2: like here's this other thing that you're like sort of you know it's like people
• 1:11:57
  Track 2: colloquially call like getting your period the curse and it's like here's another
• 1:12:02
  Track 2: part of your curse as the slayer is this these like weird cramps you know right.
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  Track 3: Yeah vamp vamp dousing cramps.
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  Track 2: Vamp cramp.
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  Track 3: A vamp cramp i hate when that happens.
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  Track 2: Oh man i got a vamp cramp it would be like oh you're like walking around in
• 1:12:22
  Track 2: the in the cemetery and like a vamp's about to come up and like you get a little
• 1:12:27
  Track 2: cramp yeah vamp cramps that could be the name.
• 1:12:33
  Track 1: Of it that sounds like a good name for a band.
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  Track 2: The vamp yeah it would be like a weird i i guess i'm just thinking about the
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  Track 2: cramps but yeah it would be like some sort of like rockabilly yeah i was thinking
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  Track 2: like surf rock like yeah yeah yeah off holy shit yeah okay well that's.
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  Track 3: That's kate and my new project.
• 1:12:54
  Track 2: Yeah when we're done i'm gonna learn how to play guitar i guess.
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  Track 1: Yeah you could you could regain that uh the joss whedon you know cruelty into
• 1:13:05
  Track 1: uh bringing it something,
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  Track 1: bring it back yeah.
• 1:13:08
  Track 2: All right we're doing it stay tuned for our debut album of the vamp cramps.
• 1:13:16
  Track 1: You need to i think your first song would have to be like a theme song or no
• 1:13:22
  Track 1: you just have to re redo the music for this oh.
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  Track 2: Yeah oh my god yeah perfect We're like the nerf herder of 2020.
• 1:13:33
  Track 2: What year are we in? 2025?
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  Track 3: 2020.
• 1:13:38
  Track 2: 2020. 2020's nerf herder, the vamp cramps.
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  Track 1: I forgot to mention the beginning. The movie was budget was only $7 million. So that's all these.
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  Track 3: $7 million, yeah.
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  Track 1: Just crazy. You think about $7 million. Even at that time, that's maybe like
• 1:13:56
  Track 1: $20 million now. it's a pretty low budget.
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  Track 2: Yeah it made 16.
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  Track 1: Million so it did not.
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  Track 2: It's more.
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  Track 1: Than doubled its money but like as far as a you know a movie that gets just
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  Track 1: like you said how did he then get another job after just you know.
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  Track 2: Just the luck of being a white guy in the white guy in hollywood,
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  Track 2: and that still meant something i suppose hey it will again don't worry,
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  Track 2: yeah you must have just had a good idea yeah I mean somebody must yeah must
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  Track 2: have just been like this is a cool idea like I don't know but yeah it's funny
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  Track 2: it's like I can't imagine anything like that ever happening,
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  Track 2: to anyone like in our,
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  Track 2: time period you know yeah.
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  Track 1: No definitely not.
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  Track 2: Just like let me take a chance on a young kid.
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  Track 1: Yeah 100% no two years after this film he rewrote the script for Speed yeah.
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  Track 2: What like just for fun or on purpose well no like you know they hired him to
• 1:15:08
  Track 2: rewrite the script for fun yeah no he was like they're like he also rewrote twister he.
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  Track 1: Rewrote the movie twister the screenplay.
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  Track 2: Oh yeah water.
• 1:15:19
  Track 1: World which he didn't do anything he didn't do much for that.
• 1:15:22
  Track 2: No uh.
• 1:15:24
  Track 1: X-men the original one man like he was just getting getting work.
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  Track 2: Yeah i always forget it's funny
• 1:15:31
  Track 2: i made like a joke about joss whedon's like writing style
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  Track 2: on twitter and i was viciously
• 1:15:38
  Track 2: attacked after a certain amount of time and
• 1:15:42
  Track 2: like it's because i completely forgot that like he's also known for like superhero
• 1:15:48
  Track 2: stuff yeah like i just think of him as the guy who wrote buffy and like angel
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  Track 2: you know and like dollhouse and whatever but i think like avengers right Yeah,
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  Track 2: like I think of him very much as being this like 90s sort of like early aughts
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  Track 2: kind of like sci fi fantasy writer and not like a superhero dude.
• 1:16:15
  Track 2: And I and I realized I like crossed into territory that I like was not that
• 1:16:23
  Track 2: I never spend any time in.
• 1:16:24
  Track 2: And I was like, oh, no, what have I done?
• 1:16:28
  Track 2: It was crazy. I was not prepared.
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  Track 2: yeah he's one of those people.
• 1:16:33
  Track 1: That's revered in a large swath of the internet.
• 1:16:37
  Track 2: Yeah oh gross yeah yeah i'm like we think critically about joss like that's
• 1:16:45
  Track 2: really important to like our podcast is that you know we're not joss worshipers
• 1:16:50
  Track 2: and even if like he does a good job i'm still kind of like yeah.
• 1:16:55
  Track 3: We we grit our teeth when we have to say like oh that was a good.
• 1:16:59
  Track 2: Yeah moment.
• 1:17:00
  Track 1: That he did maybe someone else did it and he didn't do it.
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  Track 2: Yeah i mean there is a writer's room.
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  Track 1: Yeah exactly yeah one.
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  Track 2: Of the writers had.
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  Track 1: A good idea and then he just took credit for it.
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  Track 2: Right exactly.
• 1:17:15
  Track 1: Perfect. Well, I don't know. Did you have any last thoughts?
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  Track 1: I think you had the PMS one, but any last buffy buffs?
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  Track 3: That would be a good one to go out on.
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  Track 2: Yeah, I think that's the way to do it. Yeah.
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  Track 3: I mean this would be a funny.
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  Track 2: A fun movie to just like yeah like hang out with your friends like get stoned
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  Track 2: to or whatever like you know.
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  Track 3: It's a good movie to just sit.
• 1:17:44
  Track 2: In like and watch and like you know put on in the background it's.
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  Track 3: Silly yeah there's a lot of there's.
• 1:17:51
  Track 2: A lot of like holy shit that guy's in it you know.
• 1:17:54
  Track 3: Yeah this is like prime dishwashing show dishwashing material you know what
• 1:18:00
  Track 3: i mean yeah because you can you can turn and then yeah you'll see ben affleck
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  Track 3: and be like wait what the fuck yeah that happened yeah.
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  Track 1: Lots of little lots of cameos yeah i think i mean sometimes i don't always ask
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  Track 1: this but i sometimes will say like would you recommend for people to watch it
• 1:18:15
  Track 1: if they haven't you would say yes but not like i'm watching the height of cinema right now.
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  Track 3: Right yeah i
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  Track 3: wouldn't i probably wouldn't if they if someone asked me like hey you know should
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  Track 3: i i want to get into Buffy should I start like at the at square one I would
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  Track 3: be like no I would direct them more to the the show I feel like or even like
• 1:18:38
  Track 3: um some of the later comic books even yeah.
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  Track 1: Well I mean I think he said too that this movie has no influence officially on like the show.
• 1:18:47
  Track 3: Yeah he's he's made it clear it's like non-canonical right.
• 1:18:51
  Track 1: Yeah yeah yeah I would I mean I would say I agree.
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  Track 2: Yeah. Like, I would say if somebody was like, I've never watched any Buffy before,
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  Track 2: should I start with the movie? I would say, no, start with season one.
• 1:19:03
  Track 2: And we stand firmly on starting with season one, because some people will be
• 1:19:09
  Track 2: like, you can skip season one.
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  Track 2: And you shouldn't skip season one.
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  Track 1: That's silly.
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  Track 3: No.
• 1:19:15
  Track 2: Why would you do something so silly?
• 1:19:17
  Track 1: If you're going to go for it, you've got to start from the beginning.
• 1:19:21
  Track 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:19:22
  Track 1: I can't think of any show where you wouldn't do that.
• 1:19:24
  Track 2: Yeah, it would be really weird. Maybe like The Leftovers. I don't know.
• 1:19:29
  Track 3: Yeah, or like Parks and Rec where it's more of like a weekly thing.
• 1:19:35
  Track 2: Right, there's nothing. You could start, yeah, like 30 Rock.
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  Track 2: You could probably start at any season.
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  Track 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:42
  Track 2: But like, yeah.
• 1:19:46
  Track 1: True.
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  Track 3: I feel like Buffy's very strong right out the gate. You know,
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  Track 3: it's not it's not one of those episodes or one of those shows that takes a couple
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  Track 3: of seasons to find its footing or like rearrange its writer's room.
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  Track 3: And like it, I feel like it's not like season one is vastly,
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  Track 3: vastly different from season seven.
• 1:20:04
  Track 3: Of course, like any TV show is going to be like that.
• 1:20:07
  Track 3: But season one definitely has its foundation set where a lot of TV shows do not.
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  Track 2: Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
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  Track 1: So listeners out there, you should watch the TV show Buffy and maybe not watch
• 1:20:21
  Track 1: this film, but I think it's worth it for laughs, you know, if anything.
• 1:20:25
  Track 2: Yeah. Put it on like at a, have an 80s themed vampire party and put it on the background.
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  Track 3: Yeah, that's fun.
• 1:20:33
  Track 1: Take out your $10, you know, costume and, you know, and buff it.
• 1:20:39
  Track 2: Yeah. Throw an environment themed dance.
• 1:20:45
  Track 2: yeah hug the world yeah and watch the world and watch this movie.
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  Track 1: A bug dance that's what you said.
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  Track 3: A buff dance.
• 1:20:55
  Track 1: Or no do you think you said before like didn't they say like bugs oh.
• 1:20:58
  Track 2: Yeah oh yeah a bug themed uh buffy dance yeah.
• 1:21:03
  Track 1: And you just got this playing perfect perfect well uh leslie and kate uh it's
• 1:21:09
  Track 1: been great to have you on to talk about the i guess the og buffy vampire slayer.
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  Track 3: Film yeah yeah thank you so much for having us.
• 1:21:20
  Track 1: Of course of course and uh people can follow your podcast uh thanks for the
• 1:21:26
  Track 1: memories i know kate you mentioned your other ones i don't know if you want
• 1:21:29
  Track 1: to mention any other things you have going on or other projects.
• 1:21:34
  Track 2: Um, I have another podcast called Tender Subject that is about, um,
• 1:21:40
  Track 2: art and film and books, um, and through,
• 1:21:44
  Track 2: like, the lens of cannibalism and body horror, and I have had an extremely lazy
• 1:21:50
  Track 2: January and haven't put out a new episode in a while, but we are coming back
• 1:21:56
  Track 2: soon with an episode on Yellow Jackets Season 2,
• 1:21:59
  Track 2: getting ready for Season 3, which is going to come out very shortly.
• 1:22:03
  Track 2: um yeah and that's pretty much it but you can follow me on tender subject um
• 1:22:10
  Track 2: on all of the things and i also do a lot of collages and like art for the podcast too which is really fun,
• 1:22:17
  Track 2: and then i almost called you buffy leslie buffy has all the information what an honor yeah um Yeah.
• 1:22:27
  Track 3: So you can find, you know, our show on your podcatching app of choice.
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  Track 3: All of our personal social media is linked.
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  Track 3: And then also links to our Patreon where we do like special after dark episodes
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  Track 3: where we just kind of like shoot the shit and talk about whatever we want.
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  Track 3: You can check that all out at fangs.zone.
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  Track 3: And then personally for me, I do voice acting and I just wrapped an episode
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  Track 3: of a web series called Sonic Ops.
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  Track 3: about Sonic the Hedgehog, where I play Miles' Tales per Hour.
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  Track 2: Yay! That's awesome.
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  Track 3: So yeah, you can check that out. You just go to YouTube and look up Sonic OPS.
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  Track 1: Awesome.
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  Track 2: Nice!
• 1:23:09
  Track 1: Well, I can link all of those fun things.
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  Track 1: And obviously, if you're listening to this show, you can continue listening
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  Track 1: in the same place you already are listening.
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  Track 1: And we will catch you next time on Left of the Projector.