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Human Remains Found in Desperate Search for Missing Mom · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: I want you to sit back for a second and just, well,
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  Speaker 1: try to genuinely imagine the sheer physical and mental toll
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  Speaker 1: of holding on to a massive life-altering lie.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. It's unimaginable for most people.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And I don't just mean for a week or
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  Speaker 1: a month. I mean holding a completely fabricated reality perfectly
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  Speaker 1: intact without a single slip-up for 20 entire years.
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  Speaker 2: Two decades of absolute silence.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. Just think about what that actually requires. You
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  Speaker 1: have to look grieving people right in the eye, people
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  Speaker 1: who are literally begging you for answers and hold a
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  Speaker 1: perfectly straight face.
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  Speaker 2: You'd have to monitor every single word you say, Thanksgiving
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  Speaker 2: dinners or every casual conversation with a neighbor.
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  Speaker 1: The psychological weight of that would crush almost anyone. It
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  Speaker 1: just feels like an impossible feat of endurance.
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  Speaker 2: It really does.
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  Speaker 1: But then imagine that this airtight vault of a secret,
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  Speaker 1: this perfect fortress of silence, isn't eventually undone by some brilliant,
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  Speaker 1: dogged detective. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like you'd see in the movies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It isn't unraveled by a sudden strike
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  Speaker 1: of a guilty conscience either. It's blown wide open by
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  Speaker 1: something so bizarre, so incredibly grim that it turns everything
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  Speaker 1: we thought we knew completely upside down.
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  Speaker 2: A macabre discovery in a local slow-moving creek. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: It is wild.
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  Speaker 2: It really is the kind of narrative trajectory that defies
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  Speaker 2: every standard investigative playbook. I mean, when you look at
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  Speaker 2: the history of criminology, you generally see patterns in how
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  Speaker 2: long-term secrets break down, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Sure, like people talking in prison or something. Right.
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  Speaker 2: But this specific situation, when the dismembered remains of the
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  Speaker 2: people you suspect start turning up in the local water
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  Speaker 2: systems long before the original victims do... Well, you are
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  Speaker 2: looking at a scenario that forces law enforcement to just
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  Speaker 2: throw the traditional rulebook completely out the window.
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  Speaker 1: It really forces us to ask entirely different questions about
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  Speaker 1: human behavior under pressure, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: And that bizarre, twisting reality is exactly our mission for
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  Speaker 1: this deep dive today. We are going into the anatomy
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  Speaker 1: of a 20-year-old cold case that suddenly and violently became
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  Speaker 1: red hot.
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  Speaker 2: And we have some incredible source material for this.
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  Speaker 1: We do. We are drawing from a transcript provided by
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  Speaker 1: the Law and Crime Network. specifically their video series called Sidebar.
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  Speaker 1: The source material features these incredibly raw interviews with Casey Robinson,
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  Speaker 1: she's the sister of one of our victims, and retired
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  Speaker 1: cold case police sergeant Troy Hillman.
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  Speaker 2: It's some heavy stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. For you listening right now, our goal
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  Speaker 1: is to dissect how deep generational family secrets finally fracture.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to explore the incredibly complex psychology behind what
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  Speaker 1: investigators call a partial confession.
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  Speaker 2: Which is fascinating in itself.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, completely. And we are going to get into the
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  Speaker 1: granular details of the modern forensic techniques deployed when a
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  Speaker 1: missing persons case takes a wildly unexpected turn.
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  Speaker 2: I do want to jump in and establish a crucial
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  Speaker 2: parameter before we really dive into the timeline here, though.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: The material we are analyzing today involves a highly charged
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  Speaker 2: emotional landscape. I mean, it involves named suspects and very serious,
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  Speaker 2: deeply disturbing allegations.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It's important to remember that.
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  Speaker 2: So our role here is to maintain a completely impartial,
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  Speaker 2: objective lens. We are going to report on the facts,
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  Speaker 2: the timelines, and the statements contained within the provided source
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  Speaker 2: material without taking sides.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. We're just looking at the data we have.
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  Speaker 2: We are unpacking the structural anatomy of the investigation and
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  Speaker 2: the psychology of the people involved. We are not here
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  Speaker 2: to act as a court of law. but to just
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  Speaker 2: try and understand how a case of this magnitude evolves
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  Speaker 2: over two decades.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really glad you brought that up. Because to understand
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  Speaker 1: the sheer magnitude of where we are in 2024, we
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  Speaker 1: have to ground ourselves in the reality of where this
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  Speaker 1: all started.
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  Speaker 2: Right back at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: March 25th, 2004. We were in Robertson County, Tennessee, specifically
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  Speaker 1: around the Cross Plains and Springfield area.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very specific kind of setting.
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  Speaker 1: It is. Picture a rural, tight-knit community. The kind of
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  Speaker 1: place where isolation is just a Geographic reality and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: everybody knows a little bit about everybody else's business. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Word travels fast in those towns.
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  Speaker 1: It does. On this Thursday in March, a 21-year-old mother
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  Speaker 1: named Jennifer Wicks and her two-year-old daughter Adriana just vanish.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't mean they go off the grid for
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  Speaker 1: a few days to clear their heads. I mean they completely,
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  Speaker 1: utterly disappear.
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  Speaker 2: And the mechanics of a disappearance in 2004 are vastly
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  Speaker 2: different from today. You really have to contextualize the era.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. Technology was so different.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't have ubiquitous doorbell cameras on every rural property.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't have smartphones constantly pinging GPS coordinates to cell
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  Speaker 2: towers with pinpoint accuracy.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You couldn't just track an iPhone.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. A person could physically move through a landscape with
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  Speaker 2: far less friction and far less digital exhaust than they
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  Speaker 2: can now. Which makes the last known point of contact
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  Speaker 2: in these older cases so incredibly vital to investigators.
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  Speaker 1: And that last known point of contact in this case
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  Speaker 1: is deeply unsettling.
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  Speaker 2: It really sets the tone for everything.
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  Speaker 1: According to the mother, Jennifer called her from the home
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  Speaker 1: of her boyfriend, a man named Joey Benton. Jennifer was
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  Speaker 1: highly distressed.
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  Speaker 2: Highly distressed is almost an understatement.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. She told her mother she was in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of a vicious heated argument with Joey and Joey's parents.
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  Speaker 1: And we aren't just talking about a minor squabble over dinner.
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  Speaker 1: the mother reported hearing two-year-old Adriana crying in the background
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  Speaker 1: of the call.
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  Speaker 2: That's horrifying for a parent to hear on the other
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  Speaker 2: end of the line.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Jennifer is upset enough, frantic enough, to tell her mother,
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  Speaker 1: I will call you right back with an update.
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  Speaker 2: And from an analytical standpoint, that phone call establishes an
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  Speaker 2: immediate baseline of conflict.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, in missing persons investigations, the behavioral state of the
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  Speaker 2: victim in the hours before they vanish is a primary
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  Speaker 2: indicator of trajectory.
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  Speaker 1: OK, so like where they might be heading based on
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  Speaker 1: how they felt.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. You have a victim placed at a highly specific
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  Speaker 2: geographic location, the Benton property. You have them placed with
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  Speaker 2: specific individuals, Joey and his parents. And you have a
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  Speaker 2: documented state of extreme emotional distress.
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  Speaker 1: A powder keg, basically.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, total powder keg. So when that follow up call
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  Speaker 2: doesn't happen, the timeline freezes. That silence is deafening to
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  Speaker 2: an investigator. Because it immediately signals an interruption of routine.
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  Speaker 1: An interruption of routine is putting it mildly. The fault
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  Speaker 1: call never happens. Never. And the narrative that emerges from
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  Speaker 1: the Benton household to explain this silence is what becomes
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  Speaker 1: the central immovable alibi for the next two decades.
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  Speaker 2: This is where things get really frustrating.
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  Speaker 1: Joey Benton tells investigators that after this massive tearful argument,
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  Speaker 1: he put Jennifer and little Adriana into his car. He
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  Speaker 1: claims he drove them from his property to a local
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  Speaker 1: gas station in Cross Plains and simply dropped them off.
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  Speaker 2: Just dropped them off.
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  Speaker 1: Just dropped them at a gas station. And here is
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  Speaker 1: where the story really strains belief. He says he sat
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  Speaker 1: there and watched his girlfriend and her two-year-old toddler get
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  Speaker 1: into a white sedan.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, the white sedan. Right.
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  Speaker 1: He told police he didn't know who was driving. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: it was a random car. Maybe it was a friend
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  Speaker 1: of hers. He just didn't recognize. And according to Joey,
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  Speaker 1: this mysterious white sedan drove away and that was it.
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  Speaker 2: The mysterious vehicle defense.
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  Speaker 1: Is that a common thing?
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  Speaker 2: In the nomenclature of missing persons cases, yes, this falls
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  Speaker 2: under the umbrella of the abandonment theory or the runaway theory.
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  Speaker 2: The suspect's narrative is designed to suggest the victim had
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  Speaker 2: agency in their disappearance.
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  Speaker 1: That she wanted to leave.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. They chose to leave. They chose to walk away
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  Speaker 2: from their life.
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  Speaker 1: I just, I have a really hard time wrapping my
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  Speaker 1: head around how anyone, let alone a seasoned investigator, entertains
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  Speaker 1: that narrative for more than five seconds.
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  Speaker 2: I know, it sounds absurd on its face.
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  Speaker 1: You have a 21-year-old mother who is crying on the phone.
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  Speaker 1: You have a two-year-old child. The Wicks family instantly rejected
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  Speaker 1: this story, and their reasoning is just basic human biology
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  Speaker 1: and maternal instinct.
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  Speaker 2: Of course they rejected it.
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  Speaker 1: A mother does not willingly abandon her entire life, step
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  Speaker 1: into a random vehicle at a rural gas station, and
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  Speaker 1: vanish to start anew. But beyond the psychology, the physical
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  Speaker 1: logistics make zero sense.
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  Speaker 2: They rarely do in these runaway narratives.
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  Speaker 1: According to the source, Jennifer left behind diapers. She left
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  Speaker 1: behind Adriana's car seat. You don't take a toddler into
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  Speaker 1: a random car to start a new life without a
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  Speaker 1: car seat.
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  Speaker 2: The physical absence of preparation is the crucial flaw in
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  Speaker 2: the abandonment theory here.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because if you're leaving, you pack.
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  Speaker 2: When people genuinely choose to start a new life, they
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  Speaker 2: engage in preparatory behaviors. They withdraw cash. They pack sentimental items.
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  Speaker 2: They gather essential supplies. The absence of the car seat
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  Speaker 2: and the diapers completely contradicts the behavioral profile of a
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  Speaker 2: fleeing mother.
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  Speaker 1: It's worse than just a contradiction, though, I think. It
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  Speaker 1: feels entirely performative.
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  Speaker 2: How do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: Think about how a magician works. It is all about misdirection.
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  Speaker 1: The whole white sedan at a gas station story is
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  Speaker 1: Joey Benton waving his left hand in the air. creating
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  Speaker 1: this flashy, mysterious phantom for everyone to look at.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great analogy.
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  Speaker 1: He is pointing the audience, the police, the family, the
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  Speaker 1: community toward this unknown getaway driver. It is designed to
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  Speaker 1: make everyone ignore the guy standing right in front of
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  Speaker 1: them with his right hand behind his back.
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  Speaker 2: The magician's misdirection is a highly accurate way to frame it.
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  Speaker 2: Because by introducing a plausible yet completely untraceable third-party element,
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  Speaker 2: a generic white sedan... The suspect successfully creates infinite investigative
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  Speaker 2: rabbit holes.
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  Speaker 1: Rabbit holes that waste time.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Think about the resources required to chase that phantom.
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  Speaker 2: Police now have to canvas that specific gas station. They
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  Speaker 2: have to pull any available surveillance footage, which, remember, in
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  Speaker 2: 2004 was likely low-quality, overwritten VHS tape, if it existed
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  Speaker 2: at all.
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  Speaker 1: If the camera's even pointing the right way. Right.
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  Speaker 2: They have to interview attendants, check with every single friend
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  Speaker 2: and acquaintance of Jennifer to see if they own a
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  Speaker 2: white sedan. It diverts the golden hours, the most critical
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  Speaker 2: initial phase of an investigation, away from the domestic environment
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  Speaker 2: where the documented conflict actually occurred.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm looking at this from the outside and I
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  Speaker 1: just keep hitting a wall of common sense.
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  Speaker 2: Well, common sense and the law are often at odds.
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  Speaker 1: I understand the concept of misdirection. But if you walk
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  Speaker 1: into a police precinct in 2004 and say, my girlfriend,
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  Speaker 1: who was just screaming and crying, decided to hitchhike away
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  Speaker 1: with our toddler and left all the vital baby supplies
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  Speaker 1: at my house, how does a detective not just laugh
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  Speaker 1: you out of the room?
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  Speaker 2: They probably wanted to.
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  Speaker 1: How does an alibi that is so fundamentally flimsy hold
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  Speaker 1: up against police scrutiny?
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  Speaker 2: You are conflating common sense with the legal threshold of proof.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, unpack that for me.
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  Speaker 2: I can guarantee you that the detectives who took that
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  Speaker 2: initial statement saw the exact same logical craters in the
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  Speaker 2: story that you are seeing right now. They knew the
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  Speaker 2: behavioral profile didn't match.
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  Speaker 1: So why not just arrest him?
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  Speaker 2: Because suspicion, no matter how profound or logically sound it is,
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  Speaker 2: is not evidence. Our legal system operates on a very
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  Speaker 2: strict burden of proof. The state has to prove that
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  Speaker 2: a crime occurred. the suspect does not have to prove
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  Speaker 2: that his alibi is the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I follow the legal standard. But they are investigating
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  Speaker 1: a disappearance. They can search the house, right? They can
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  Speaker 1: look for signs of a struggle.
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  Speaker 2: They can, and they undoubtedly look for that. But if
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  Speaker 2: there is an absolute vacuum of physical evidence to contradict
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  Speaker 2: the suspect's story, the investigation paralyzes.
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  Speaker 1: A vacuum of evidence.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. If there is no crime scene identified at the house,
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  Speaker 2: no blood spatter, no witness who saw violence, and no body...
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  Speaker 2: what exactly are you charging him with? Right.
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  Speaker 1: You can't charge him with lying if you can't prove
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  Speaker 1: what he's lying about.
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  Speaker 2: Furthermore, if there is no witness who can definitively say,
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  Speaker 2: I was at that gas station all day and a
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  Speaker 2: white sedan absolutely did not pull up, then it becomes
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  Speaker 2: a game of unprovable hearsay.
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  Speaker 1: So it just clams up.
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  Speaker 2: The moment the suspect invokes their right to remain silent
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  Speaker 2: and refuses to deviate from that single flimsy story, the
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  Speaker 2: system hits a brick wall. The misdirection doesn't have to
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  Speaker 2: be brilliant. It just has to be legally unassailable without
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  Speaker 2: Physical proof.
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  Speaker 1: And that wall of silence didn't just stand for a
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  Speaker 1: few months. It stood for an agonizingly long time.
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  Speaker 2: Two decades.
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  Speaker 1: This is where we transition into the darkest, quietest part
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  Speaker 1: of the story. The 20-year gap. From March 2004 all
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  Speaker 1: the way to 2024. And I don't want to gloss
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  Speaker 1: over those two decades. It's just a gap in time.
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  Speaker 2: It's an eternity for a family.
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  Speaker 1: For the Wicks family, every single one of those roughly 7,300
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  Speaker 1: days It was a waking nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: Unimaginable.
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  Speaker 1: The source material outlines how the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation,
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  Speaker 1: the TBI, and the Robertson County Sheriff's Office led the charge.
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  Speaker 1: They were doing the ground game, hanging flyers, organizing search parties.
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  Speaker 2: The stand-in protocol, but on a massive scale.
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  Speaker 1: The police even went onto the Benton property at one
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  Speaker 1: point and completely drained a pond, looking for any shred
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  Speaker 1: of evidence. But it all came up empty.
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  Speaker 2: I need to pause on that for a second because
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  Speaker 2: draining a pond is a massive, incredibly resource-intensive undertaking for
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  Speaker 2: a local municipality.
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  Speaker 1: It's not cheap.
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  Speaker 2: It is not something law enforcement does on a whim.
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  Speaker 2: It requires heavy equipment, environmental considerations, and significant man hours.
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  Speaker 1: So they must have had a tip or something.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that investigators executed that search indicates they had
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  Speaker 2: a highly focused working theory that the bodies never left
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  Speaker 2: that immediate property. They were actively looking to bypass the
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  Speaker 2: white sedan narrative.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't believe him.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. But when you drain a pond and
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  Speaker 2: find nothing, you inadvertently strengthen the suspect's psychological fortress. They
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  Speaker 2: realized they survived a major tactical push by the police.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. I hadn't thought of it that way. It gives
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  Speaker 1: some confidence.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: By 2013, nine years after they vanished, the case was
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  Speaker 1: officially reclassified as a homicide by authorities, according to reporting
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  Speaker 1: from the Tennessean.
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  Speaker 2: That's a grim milestone.
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  Speaker 1: What is the internal calculus for a police department to
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  Speaker 1: make that specific shift?
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  Speaker 2: Reclassifying a case from missing persons to homicide after nearly
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  Speaker 2: a decade is an administrative acknowledgement of reality. Investigators look
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  Speaker 2: for proof of life.
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  Speaker 1: Bank accounts and stuff. Right.
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  Speaker 2: They monitor social security numbers. They flag financial records. They
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  Speaker 2: check for prescription refills or hospital admissions anywhere in the country.
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  Speaker 1: And if they find nothing?
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  Speaker 2: If a 21-year-old mother and a growing child generate absolutely
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  Speaker 2: zero paper trail... no digital footprint, and no financial activity
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  Speaker 2: for nine consecutive years, the working theory of a runaway
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  Speaker 2: becomes statistically impossible to defend.
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  Speaker 1: So they have to call it a homicide.
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  Speaker 2: The presumption of death becomes the official investigative stance. But
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  Speaker 2: the problem remains, reclassifying a file folder doesn't magically manufacture
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  Speaker 2: the missing physical evidence.
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  Speaker 1: And while the police are dealing with file folders and
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  Speaker 1: administrative presumptions... The human beings at the center of this
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  Speaker 1: are living in a very different reality.
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  Speaker 2: That's the real tragedy here.
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  Speaker 1: The sidebar interviews introduce us to Casey Robinson, who is
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer's younger sister, and Adriana's aunt. And hearing Casey talk
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  Speaker 1: about this is just devastating.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: She paints this vivid picture of Jennifer as her absolute idol,
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  Speaker 1: calling her a straight 90s kid. She talks about how
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  Speaker 1: she was practically a second mother to Adriana, who she
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  Speaker 1: remembers as this perfect angel baby.
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  Speaker 2: The affection is so clear.
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  Speaker 1: Casey is 37 years old today. She has lived a
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  Speaker 1: whole life since then. But she says that in her mind,
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  Speaker 1: Adriana is forever frozen in time as a two-year-old toddler.
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  Speaker 2: That phrase, frozen in time, it's the defining characteristic of
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  Speaker 2: a psychological phenomenon known as ambiguous loss.
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  Speaker 1: Ambiguous loss.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Dr. Pauline Boss pioneered this concept, and it describes
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  Speaker 2: a unique, highly destructive kind of trauma. Think about how
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  Speaker 2: human beings process normal grief. Right.
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  Speaker 1: There's usually a process.
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  Speaker 2: When someone passes away... Society provides a structure. There is
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  Speaker 2: a furor, a designated period of mourning, a physical grave
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  Speaker 2: to visit. There is a definitive ending to the physical relationship,
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  Speaker 2: which allows the brain to eventually begin the healing process.
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  Speaker 1: You get closure.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Ambiguous loss denies the brain that closure.
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  Speaker 1: Because there are no answers. You don't know if they
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  Speaker 1: are suffering or if they are gone.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The loss is entirely unresolved. The family is trapped
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: in a paradox. They are in a constant state of
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: profound mourning. but they are also in a constant state
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: of vigilant waiting.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: That sounds exhausting.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: The human brain struggles to process finality without physical proof.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: So there is always this microscopic, agonizing sliver of hope,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: or if not hope, just a primal need for factual
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: resolution that prevents the emotional wound from closing.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Just stays open.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: The psychological toll of living with elevated cortisol levels, of
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: constantly scanning clouds for a face that has aged 20 years,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: is exhausting.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I really want to emphasize that exhaustion for a second.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Imagine waking up tomorrow morning and you have to actively
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: make a choice before your feet even hit the floor.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Every single day.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Do I spend my energy today fighting a battle that
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: has yielded zero results for thousands of days? Or do
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I finally give up on the sister I idolized?
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: And Casey chose to fight.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Because Casey didn't just sit by the phone waiting for
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: a detective to call. She and a producer named Jules
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Thorpe started a podcast called Missing in Hushtown.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Taking matters into their own hands.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: They built a platform specifically to force the public to
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: remember the case.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: The evolution of the family member into the citizen detective
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: is a tragically common theme in long-term cold cases.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Really? It happens a lot.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Well, quite frequently. As the years drag on, police departments
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: undergo personnel changes. Original detectives retire, budgets fluctuate, and fresh,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: active cases demand immediate resources. The families often feel structurally abandoned.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: So they have to make noise.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: By launching a podcast and engaging with the media, Casey
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: is utilizing modern tools to replicate what those paper flyers
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: on telephone poles were trying to do in 2004.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: She is trying to shake the trees.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Precisely. She is manipulating the environment. She is ensuring that
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: the people in that local community who might be harboring
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: secrets are constantly reminded that the family is still watching.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: That they aren't going away.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: They are demanding that the tension remains high. But it
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: requires the family to commodify their own trauma for public
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: consumption and just to keep the investigation relevant.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: It is a brutal way to live. But here is
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the craziest part of this whole timeline.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: This is where it gets really intense.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: This agonizing stalemate with the family pushing the rock up
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the hill and the suspect hiding safely behind a 20-year-old
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: story about a gas station held perfectly until 2024. Two
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: decades later. And it wasn't the podcast that broke the dam.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a sudden confession born out of guilt. It
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: was an entirely unrelated event that slammed into the Benton
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: family like a freight train.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: A total shock to their system.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: The catalyst that cracked this cold case open had absolutely
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with Jennifer and Adriana.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: This is a classic example of an external pressure point
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: fracturing an insulated system.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by insulated system?
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: In investigative strategy, we look at criminal conspiracies or shared
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: family secrets as closed ecosystems. When the individuals inside that
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: ecosystem feel safe, when they believe they have successfully weathered
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: the storm, their loyalty to each other remains relatively stable.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Because they've survived.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Right. But if you introduce massive, unpredicted, and asymmetric stress
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: into that environment, the fault lines instantly begin to crack.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Self-preservation supersedes loyalty.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: So let's look at this asymmetric stress. It's 2024, 20
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: years after the disappearance. Out of nowhere, law enforcement conducts
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: a massive tactical raid on the Benton family property.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Which had to be terrifying for them.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: But the raid is for completely separate crimes. The fallout.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: is staggering. Joey Benton's father, Joey Benton Sr., is suddenly
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: hit with over 40 criminal charges.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: 40 charges! That's massive!
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: And these aren't minor infractions. We are talking about the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: discovery of illegal weapons, explosives, and some incredibly dark, disturbing material.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: It takes a very dark turn here.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Authorities found evidence on a computer that led to a
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: charge of sexual exploitation of a minor against the patriarch
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: of the family.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: You have to view this raid from the perspective of
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: the suspect who has hidden behind these walls for two decades.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: You're joking with me.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Right. The sheer volume and severity of those new charges
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: against the father completely destabilized their reality. When a tactical
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: unit executes a raid of that magnitude, they do not
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: just collect evidence.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: They tear the place apart.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: They take absolute control of the physical space. The property
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: that had served as a safe haven, the very ground
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: where a dark secret had allegedly been buried or protected,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: is suddenly swarming with agents, canines, and crime scene technicians.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: It's an invasion.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: It is a profound violation of their secure environment.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine the panic. You spend 20 years
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: worrying about police looking for a missing mother, and suddenly
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: they are kicking down your door looking for explosives in CSAM.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: It's the ultimate unpredictable variable.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: And the pressure from this exposure... caused the Benton family
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: to completely implode. The betrayal here is stunning.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: It really is fascinating.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: According to the information in the sidebar transcript, Joey Benton
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: and other family members were the ones who actually turned
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Joey Benton Sr. in regarding the computer material. They pointed
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the finger directly at the father.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: It is a fascinating pivot in behavioral psychology. It perfectly
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: illustrates the hierarchy of self-interest.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: How so? Like, why turn on him now?
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Think about the collective goal for 20 years. The overarching
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: mission of that family unit was to protect Joey from
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: a potential capital murder investigation.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, so they were all in it together.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: That required total cohesion. But suddenly, Benton Sr. brings the
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: intense heat of federal or state investigators down on everyone
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: for completely separate, deeply stigmatizing crimes.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: He became a liability.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: The calculus of survival shifts overnight. Joey and the other
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: family members likely realized that going down with the ship
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: for the father's new horrific crimes offered them zero benefit.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: So they threw him to the wolves to save themselves.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Exactly. By turning him in for the exploitation material, they
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: are attempting to distance themselves from his radioactive legal status.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: It's like, look over there, not at me.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: They might have been trying to offer law enforcement a
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: target to satisfy the momentum of the raid. hoping to
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: deflect attention away from the historical secrets. Or, you know,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: it's entirely possible they were genuinely disgusted by what was
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: discovered on that computer.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll never really know their heart of hearts.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Regardless of the internal motivation, the structural reality is that
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the code of silence that bonded that family was permanently shattered.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: It makes me think of a family secret as a
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: pressurized submarine.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: That's a good way to look at it.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: If you build it right, it can survive in the dark,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: crushing depths of the ocean for years. The Benton family
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: was cruising along in the dark for two decades. The
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: pressure outside was immense, but the hull was intact.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Right, because everyone was holding the line.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: But a submarine relies entirely on uniform integrity. The moment
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: a tiny crack appears in this case, an unrelated police
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: raid for weapons, the pressure from the outside world violently
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: rushes in.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: And the whole thing comes down.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: The entire structure implodes instantly. You can't just patch a
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: crack at that depth. The environment forces the vessel to
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: tear itself apart.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: That implosion is precisely what retired Sergeant Troy Hillman highlighted
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: in his analysis. Criminals often operate under the assumption that
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: if they can just survive the initial heat, the issue
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: will fade.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: They think they've won.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: They account for the police. They account for the family.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: But they can never account for the chaotic, unpredictable variables
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: of life over a long enough timeline.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Like your dad getting busted for explosives.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Right. An unrelated criminal enterprise bringing law enforcement to their
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: literal front door two decades later is the ultimate unpredictable variable.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: The fortress wasn't breached by a cold case detective connecting clues.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: It was breached from the inside out by collateral criminality.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: The immediate aftermath of this submarine implosion is just pure chaos.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Benton Sr. goes to prison for about a year on
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: these new charges.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: A very brief stint.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: He has some of the charges dropped. He eventually gets released.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: And then he mysteriously vanishes himself.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Which is another crazy turn.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I promise we are going to circle back to his
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: disappearance because it leads to the most macabre part of
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: this entire story. But first, we have to examine how
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: this family civil war directly impacted the cold case of
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Jennifer and Adriana.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Because Joey had to react.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Because the extreme psychological pressure on Joey Benton resulted in
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: a tale of two very different, deeply revealing phone calls.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: These two communications are a remarkable case study in how
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: a suspect attempts to manage a collapsing narrative. You really
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: get to see the transition from a calculated charm offensive
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: to a desperate, panicked concession.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Let's break down the first call. This happens in April 2024.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the anniversary.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Right. Right after the 20-year anniversary of the girls going missing.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: And it's as right around the time the raid on
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the Benton house is throwing everything into chaos.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Tensions are incredibly high.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Casey Robinson... who has hated this man for 20 years,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: gets on the phone and talks to Joey Benton for
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the very first time in her life.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: That had to be so surreal for her.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: The tension must have been suffocating. But Joey doesn't sound panicked.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: He sounds incredibly smooth. He is cordial.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Of course he is.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: He sticks faithfully to the 20-year-old script about dropping Jennifer
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and Adriana at the gas station. But he adds this
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: thick layer of emotional color.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: He embellishes it.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: He claims he loved Jennifer deeply. He says they were
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: planning to get married, that they were actively planning to
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: have another baby together.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Playing the grieving fiancé.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: He is so utterly convincing, so outwardly empathetic, that Casey
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: actually leaves that hour-long phone call doubting her own reality.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: She admits she thought, maybe my family got it wrong
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: all these years. Maybe he really is just an innocent
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: guy who lost the love of his life.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: From a psychological profiling perspective, that first call is a
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: masterclass in manipulation.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: He really knew what he was doing.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Joey is highly aware of his environment. He knows the
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: 20-year anniversary has generated renewed media attention. He knows Casey
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: is driving the narrative with her podcast.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: So he tries to disarm her.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: By engaging with her directly, remaining calm, and feeding her
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: a narrative of interrupted tragic romance, he is actively attempting
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: to neutralize his primary adversary.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I have to admit, if I'm in her shoes, I
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: might have fallen for it, too. It's hard to reconcile
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the monster you've built up in your head with a calm,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: polite guy on the phone.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: That cognitive dissonance is exactly what he is weaponizing. He
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: is attempting to humanize himself to the very person hunting him.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: It almost worked.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: The fact that he was nearly successful, causing Casey to
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: question two decades of her family's deeply held intuition, demonstrates
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: how effective a sociopathic charm offensive can be. He was
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: testing the perimeter of his lie, hoping that if he
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: could just convince the sister, the external pressure might finally subside.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: But the perimeter collapses completely just three months later. We
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: move to call number two in July 2024.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: The situation has changed drastically by July.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: The family dynamic is totally disintegrated. Joey's relatives have turned
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: on the father. Driven by this internal madness, Joey does
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: something that feels completely unhinged.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: He takes a massive risk.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: He actually interrupts a meeting between the Wicks family and
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the district attorney.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: He sits down face to face with Jennifer's mother in Springfield.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Casey is listening in on speakerphone. And the smooth, romantic
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: guy from April is gone. He completely flips the script.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: He abandons the fortress. The narrative he defended at all
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: costs for 20 years is suddenly discarded.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Yes. He confesses that the entire gas station story was
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a lie. He just openly admits it.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Which is a huge concession.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: But this is where the story gets incredibly murky and
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: honestly highly manipulative in a completely different way. Mm-hmm. He
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: does not confess to murder.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Crucial distinction.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: He claims that on March 25, 2004, he came home
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: from work and found Jennifer and Adriana already dead inside
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the house.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: He just found them.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: He admits that he panicked, took their bodies, disposed of them,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and failed to report their death to the authorities. He
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: even goes so far as to give police a specific
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: location in Roberton County to find the remains.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: This specific maneuver is known in investigative circles as a
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: partial confession, and it is a fascinating, highly calculated legal strategy.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I have a really hard time understanding the logic here.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Why jump out of the frying pan and into a
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: slightly cooler fire?
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: It seems counterintuitive, I know.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Why admit to the massive felony of hiding two bodies
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: when you could just keep denying everything? It feels like
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a massive unforced error.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: It looks like an error until you analyze the legal
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: calculus of degrading evidence over time. Joey is cornered.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, the pressure is on.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: The family loyalty is gone. The police are actively tearing
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: his life apart because of the raid. And the psychological
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: pressure is reaching a critical mass. So he offers a
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: strategic concession.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: A piece of the truth.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: He gives law enforcement a piece of the truth. The
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: admission that the alibi was fabricated and that he handled
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the bodies. But he does this specifically to inoculate himself
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: against the ultimate charge.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Explain that inoculation. How does admitting to hiding bodies protect him?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Admitting to the abuse of a corpse or tampering with
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: evidence carries a significantly lighter penal sentence than first degree
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: premeditated murder.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: So he's bargaining.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: By creating this brand new narrative saying, you know, I
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: simply found them dead and made a terrible mistake in
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: a panic. He is attempting to explain away any potential
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: physical evidence tying him to the bodies. without taking legal
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: responsibility for the act of killing them.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: He is betting heavily on the passage of time. He
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: knows it has been 20 years.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: He knows what 20 years does to a body.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Exactly. He is hoping that the physical evidence is so
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: profoundly degraded that medical examiners won't be able to definitively
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: prove how Jennifer and Adriana died, only that they are dead.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: So if they can't prove murder.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: A defense attorney can easily introduce reasonable doubt regarding a
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: murder charge to a jury. He is trading a lesser
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: felony to save himself from a capital offense.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: That is incredibly dark, but logically it makes a terrifying
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: amount of sense.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: It's a very shrewd move, assuming he's lying.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: And it leads perfectly into what Sergeant Troy Hillman discussed
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: regarding the nightmare of prosecuting nobody cases. Hillman pointed out
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: that without a body or a pristine physical crime scene,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: proving the actual nature of the death becomes a massive
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: uphill battle.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: It's the hardest thing for a prosecutor to do.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: If you just have Joey sitting in a chair saying,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I found them dead, and you have no bodies to
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: show otherwise, the state is in a really tough spot,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: aren't they?
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: They are in an incredibly precarious position. Hillman emphasized that
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the body itself is the most critical piece of the
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: crime scene because the body tells the story of the death.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: It's the primary witness.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Exactly. A pathologist can look at bone trauma, tissue damage,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: or toxicology to determine the cause, manner, and mechanism of death.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Without the victims, investigators are entirely reliant on circumstantial evidence,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: witness testimony which degrades in reliability over 20 years, or
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: a full, uncoerced confession.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Which he isn't giving. And to make matters worse, Joey
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: gave them a location for the bodies. But according to
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the source material, police searched that specific area multiple times
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: and found absolutely nothing.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Another wild goose chase.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Casey believes this is either a deliberate false location designed
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: to send police on a wild goose chase to relieve pressure,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: or just another well-thought-out lie to buy himself time to
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: figure out his next move.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: She's probably right.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: And I have to pause and respect the Wicks family's
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: discipline here. They know the specific details of Joey's new
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: story regarding how he claims they died, but they flat-out
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: refuse to share those details publicly.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: That's incredibly smart of them.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: They don't want to pollute the public consciousness with a
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: false narrative.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: That decision demonstrates incredible restraint and sophistication on the part
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: of the victim's family. It is incredibly tempting to broadcast
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: every detail when you finally get a suspect to crack.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: You just want to scream it from the rooftops.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: But they recognize that Joey is simply trying to seize
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: control of the narrative again, just with an updated script.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: By keeping his specific grotesque claims private, They deny him
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: the public validation he is seeking.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: And it helps the police, right?
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: More importantly, yes. They allow law enforcement to use those
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: withheld details as a litmus test to verify or disprove
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: any physical evidence they might eventually uncover. It is a
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: strategic move to ensure the suspect doesn't gain the upper
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: hand in the media.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: But just when you think this case has settled into
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: a new frustrating plateau, a partial confession, a wild goose
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: chase for bodies, a standoff over the truth, the universe
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: decides to throw a macabre twist into the mix.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: You couldn't make this up.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: We shift abruptly from a tragic missing persons case into
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: something resembling a gothic horror novel. Remember how we said
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Joey Benton Sr., the patriarch, who was raided for explosives
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: and see Sam went to prison, got out, and then
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: mysteriously vanished?
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Well, in July of 2024, a human leg is discovered
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: in a local creek in Robertson County. DNA testing quickly
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: confirms that the severed leg belongs to Joey Benton Sr.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: This singular development completely fractures the established trajectory of the investigation.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Everything pivots.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: We are no longer solely focused on a historical cold case.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Investigators are suddenly thrust into a highly active, incredibly violent
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: dismemberment case involving one of the key figures in the
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: primary suspect's inner circle.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And if you thought finding a leg was insane, it
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: doesn't stop there. In September of 2024, literally just days
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: after Casey filmed her interview for the Sidebar series, a
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: young boy is playing near the Springfield Greenway by Sulphur
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Fork Creek.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Just a kid playing near the water.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: It's as the same general area. The boy looks down
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and finds a human skull. When the Wicks family hears
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: about this discovery on the news, they are so desperate
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: for answers that they actually drive out to the creek
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: themselves to look.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I can't even fathom doing that.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: And shockingly, horribly, the victim's family ends up discovering... More
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: human remains on the bank before the authorities even arrive
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: to secure that specific section.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: That detail is staggering from both a human and a
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: procedural perspective. The psychological trauma inflicted on the Wicks family
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: at that moment is almost incomprehensible.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: It has to be scarring.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: You have a family out there trudging through muddy water,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: desperately hoping against hope to find the remains of Jennifer
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: and Adriana so they can finally put them to rest.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: But instead, they are pulling up the bones of the patriarch,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: the man inextricably linked to the people they believe murdered
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: their loved ones.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: It is a level of cosmic horror that you couldn't
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: write in a script, and it creates chaos for the police, right?
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. From an investigative standpoint, it creates a highly volatile,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: contaminated scene. You have civilian family members driven by trauma,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: stumbling directly into an active, complex recovery zone.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: The police must have panicked.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: The Springfield police had to scramble to bring in underwater
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: dive teams and canine cadaver units to lock down the area.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: They spent days meticulously searching the creek bed for the
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: rest of the remains, which were immediately sent to the
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: medical examiner for official identification.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I have to ask you about the cosmic irony or
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: maybe the criminal reality of this situation. What are we
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: looking at here?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: There are a few ways to interpret it.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Is this a case of criminal associates finally turning on
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: each other and violently silencing liabilities? Or, as Sergeant Hillman
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: noted in the interview, is this just the ultimate example
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: of karma coming back around to visit a family that
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: has evaded justice?
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Hillman views this through the pragmatic lens of a seasoned investigator,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: describing it as a two-sided coin.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Let's hear both sides.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Let's look at the negative side first. If Benton Sr.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: possessed concrete answers about what actually transpired on his property
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: in March 2004— He has now taken those answers to
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: the great and the most violent way possible.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Because someone killed him to shut him up.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Or for another reason, but yes, he's gone. He was
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: one of the very few individuals who lived inside that fortress.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: You have permanently lost a potential witness or potentially a
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: cooperating co-conspirator who could have turned state's evidence in exchange
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: for leniency on his other charges. Right.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Dead men tell no tales. But what is the positive
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: side of that coin?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: The positive side is that his brutal death violently narrows
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: the focus of the investigation. Think about the pressure dynamics
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: we discussed earlier.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: The submarine imploding. Yes.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: If there were, hypothetically, three people on that property who
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: knew the dark truth, and one of them is now
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: dead and dismembered in a creek, the psychological pressure on
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: the remaining individuals intensifies exponentially. The paranoia must be suffocating.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Because they don't know who is coming for them next.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But Hillman also raised a really unsettling logistical question
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: about how these remains were found. He pointed out the timeline. Right.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: July versus September.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: They found a leg in July. Presumably they did a
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: massive intensive search of the creek and the surrounding banks
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: at that time. But they didn't find the skull or
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: the other bones until September, several months later.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: So what does that mean?
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: He poses a terrifying question. Did the initial searchers just
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: miss a human skull, or was that skull placed there
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: later by a perpetrator?
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: And both of those possibilities carry heavy implications. The idea
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: that a perpetrator is actively returning to a known crime
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: scene to slowly distribute remains over months indicates a level
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: of ongoing, highly calculated criminality.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: It suggests a perpetrator who feels a profound, almost arrogant
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: confidence that they are untouchable.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: But what if they just missed it? How do you
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: miss a skull in a creek?
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: If the remains were missed during the July search, it
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: speaks to the immense, often underappreciated difficulty of recovering evidence
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: in moving water.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Water just messes everything up.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Water is a dynamic, destructive environment. It scatters evidence over miles.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Sediment buries bone rapidly. And aquatic wildlife interacts with remains,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: moving them to unexpected locations.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Let's push on that forensic reality for a second, because
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I want to understand the science here. You find a
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: skull in a creek. After it has been submerged in
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: moving water for an unknown amount of time, how do
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: forensic scientists actually confirm the identity?
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: It is a painstaking, highly technical process.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: The source mentions waiting on the medical examiner, but what
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: does that physical process look like? Does water just wash
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: the DNA away?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: You are correct that water is incredibly destructive to DNA.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Prolonged submersion degrades cellular material rapidly, washing away surface trace
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: evidence and promoting bacterial growth that destroys organic matter.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: So what do they do?
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: As Hillman noted, investigators in the scenario will rely heavily
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: on two primary avenues of identification.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Which are?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: First, dental records. Teeth are composed of enamel, the hardest
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: substance in the human body. They are incredibly durable and
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: highly unique to the individual.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Like a fingerprint.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Very much like a fingerprint. If Benton Sr. had historical
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: dental work fillings, root canals, extractions, comparing the recovered jaw
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: to those x-rays, is the fastest, most definitive method of
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: positive identification.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: And if he didn't go to the dentist. Or if
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: the teeth are missing from the skull.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Then they move to the second avenue, which is attempting
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: to extract DNA from deep within the bone tissue itself.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Forensic anthropologists will usually target the femur, the large thigh bone,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: or the pulp cavity deep inside an intact tooth.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Because it's protected in there.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Yes. Those areas are the most protected from the corrosive
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: elements of the water and bacteria. However, extracting viable, sequenceable
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: DNA from bone that has been waterlogged is difficult, highly time-consuming,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: and not always successful.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I can imagine.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: It requires specialized laboratories to dissolve the bone matrix and
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: amplify whatever fragmented DNA remains.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: So, to summarize the sheer madness of this moment, you
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: have a chaotic scene at a local creek, a dismembered patriarch,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: a partial confession to hiding bodies, and a victim's family
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: pushed to the absolute break of human endurance.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: It's overwhelming.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Which leads us to the final major theme we need
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: to explore in this deep dive. The wall of silence
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: in the town, and the desperate plea for transparency. According
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: to the podcast producer Jules Thorpe, they have had a
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: significant number of local residents come forward privately over the
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: years saying, I wish I could tell you what I know,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: but I'm too scared.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: That detail is a powerful sociological testament to the grip
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: of fear that can paralyze a tight-knit community.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: They're terrified.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Even after two decades, the perceived threat of violent retribution
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: from the individuals involved is so potent that neighbors are
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: willing to carry the toxic weight of this secret. rather
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: than risk their own physical safety.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I understand the fear, especially when you see what happened
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: to the patriarch. But from a purely legal perspective, what
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: can the police actually do with that information?
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: That's the real problem.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: If someone pulls a podcaster aside in a grocery store
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: and whispers a rumor, that's not exactly a smoking gun
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: you can take to a grand jury. Hillman points out
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: that hearsay isn't enough to make an arrest.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: No, it's not.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: The police can knock on doors and try to interview
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: these terrified locals, but ultimately... Individuals have a constitutional right
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: to remain silent. You can't legally force a terrified neighbor
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: to talk.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: You've hit on the central frustration of investigative work. Hearsay
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: and community rumors can point a detective in the right direction.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: They can provide a working theory. But hearsay cannot be
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: used in a court of law as substantive evidence of guilt.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: You need them on the stand.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: The police desperately need those individuals to go on the
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: official record. That is precisely why Hillman strongly urges the
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: utilization of anonymous tip lines. specifically highlighting the 1-800-TBI-FIND number.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: How does an anonymous tip solve the hearsay problem?
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: It provides a secure mechanism for individuals to clear their
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: consciences to hand over that crucial missing puzzle piece without
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: attaching their name or risking their safety.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: But you still can't use an anonymous tip in court, right?
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: While an anonymous tip alone isn't enough for a conviction,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: it can provide a judge with the necessary probable cause
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: to sign a search warrant for a specific location. It
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: can give detectives the specific leverage they need in an
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: interrogation room to finally break a suspect. It bridges the
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: gap between community whispers and actionable legal strategy.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And while the community is wrestling with this fear, the
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Wicks family is wrestling with absolute unadulterated agony. After finding
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: those bones at the creek, they released a statement to
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: the media that is incredibly raw and heartbreaking.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: It's a very difficult read.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: They described how this new gruesome discovery... A fresh wave
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: of grief. They explicitly stated that the possibility of these
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: remains belonging to Joe Benton Sr., a man who was
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: one of the last people on Earth to see Jennifer
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: and Adriana alive, both terrifies and burdens them in ways
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: words cannot fully capture.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: You can feel the desperation in that statement.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: And in that statement, they issued a direct, desperate plea
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: to the Robertson County Sheriff, the DA, and the TBI.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: They begged law enforcement to be fully transparent with the
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: community about the forensic results while simultaneously asking the public
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: to avoid rampant speculation.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: That statement beautifully, tragically encapsulates the agonizing paradox of being
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: a victim's family in a high-profile, highly active investigation.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: They're stuck in the middle.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: They are caught between two entirely conflicting needs. On one hand,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: they are desperate for accountability and transparency. They want the
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: public to know every development because, to a grieving family,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: silence from the police feels indistinguishable from inaction.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Right, if the police aren't talking, it feels like they
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: aren't doing anything. But on the other hand, they know
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the internet will tear this apart.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: The true crime community online can be ruthless.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: They are terrified of public speculation, wild rumors, and false
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: narrative that could ultimately derail the actual legal process. They
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: are caught between needing the hot spotlight of the media
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: to keep the pressure on and needing the strict, quiet
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: discipline of a proper police investigation to actually secure a
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: conviction in court.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: It's an impossible position.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I really want to ask you about that tension from
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: the police side. Because how do investigators ethically balance this?
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: You have a family that literally found human bones in
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: a creek themselves. Their grief is entirely public and deeply visceral.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: The optics are terrible for the police.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: But on the other side of the equation, you have
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: cold case detectives who have to employ cold, calculated patients
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: to trap a killer who successfully evaded them for 20 years.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: As Hillman explained, police absolutely do not want to spook
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: a perpetrator if they are finally locking in on a suspect.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: How do you walk that tightrope without alienating the family?
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: It is arguably the most difficult, emotionally taxing aspect of
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: detectives' job. You possess profound empathy for the family's suffering,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: But your ultimate overriding duty is to the integrity of
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: the case.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: You have to protect the case above all else.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: In an investigation, transparency is a double-edged sword. If law
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: enforcement reveals everything they know, for instance, if they announce
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: exactly what physical evidence they found near the skull, or
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: what cellular material they might have recovered from the original
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Benton house using new technology, the suspect immediately knows exactly
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: what hand the police are holding.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: And then they can adapt.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Precisely. The suspect can adapt their story to fit the
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: newly revealed evidence. They can destroy remaining evidence, or they
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: can simply flee the jurisdiction.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: So you have to keep them in the dark.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: By holding their cards tightly to the vest, investigators maintain
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: the tactical element of surprise. They allow the suspect to
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: continue talking, to continue operating under false assumptions, and to
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: continue making critical mistakes.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Mistakes like offering a partial confession that might directly contradict
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: physical evidence the police secretly possess but haven't announced yet.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: And the police are backed up today by technology that
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: simply didn't exist in 2004. Hillman mentioned several modern forensic
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: techniques that are constantly evolving to break down these historical
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: walls of silence. He talked about MBAC, forensic genetic genealogy,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and familial DNA searching.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Those technologies are complete game changers for cold cases.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Can you explain the MVAC?
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Take MVAC, for instance. It is a specialized wet vacuum system.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Instead of just rubbing a cotton swab over a surface
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: which only collects superficial cells, the MVAC sprays a sterile
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: buffer solution deep into the fibers of a material and
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: simultaneously vacuums it up with immense force.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: That sounds intense.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: It creates a micro-hurricane that can pull microscopic, deeply embedded
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: cellular material out of the porous surfaces of a 20-year-old
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: piece of clothing. Or the crevices of a rock near
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: a creek.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: That's incredible. And the genetic genealogy.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Forensic genetic genealogy allows investigators to take an unknown, degraded
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: DNA sample recovered from a scene, upload a specialized profile
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: to public genealogy databases, and build a massive family tree
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: to identify the suspect.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: That's how they got the Golden State Killer, right?
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: This is exactly how they caught the Golden State Killer
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: after decades of dead ends. The psychological silence of the
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: community might hold strong. But the silence of the physical
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: evidence is slowly, methodically being eradicated by these scientific advancements.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, we need to take a step back and distill
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: this staggering journey. This is a story that started 20
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: years ago with a young mother and a toddler vanishing
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: into thin air on a rural property.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: And a very unbelievable story about a gas station.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: It started with a boyfriend telling a flimsy lie about
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: a white sedan. a lie that he successfully maintained for
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: two full decades. It is a story of a family,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: led by a fiercely dedicated sister, who refused to let
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: the world move on and forget.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Casey really kept us alive.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: The stalemate held perfectly until a completely unrelated massive police
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: raid for weapons and exploitation material cracked the suspect's family
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: wide open.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: The submarine imploded.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: That asymmetric pressure led to a shocking partial confession, admitting
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: to hiding the bodies but denying the murder. and sending
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: police on a fruitless search. And finally, we arrive at
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: the macabre, surreal discovery of the patriarch's dismembered remains in
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: a local creek, a stark, brutal reminder to everyone involved
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: that the past absolutely refuses to stay buried forever.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: The ultimate takeaway here, the core truth for anyone listening,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: is that cold cases are never just dusty files sitting
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: in a basement cabinet. They are living, breathing, agonizing wounds
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: for the families involved.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: They never stop hurting.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: They dictate the entire course of people's lives. And solving
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: them is heavily dependent on the right leadership, sustained resources,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: and the relentless application of modern technology.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: And a lot of patience.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: But beyond the forensic science, this specific case proves a
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: fundamental truth about human nature. Even the most ironclad, fiercely
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: protected secret have a shelf life. Under enough sustained pressure,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: the structural integrity of a lie will eventually fracture.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: And that brings us right back to the thought we
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: started with. We talked about the perfect lie, held tightly
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: for 20 years, blown open by a gruesome discovery. But
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: there is a lingering, incredibly unsettling question that you have
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: to ask yourself as we wrap up.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: If the pressure of an unrelated police raid was enough
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: to make Joey Benton finally confess to hiding a body
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: after 20 years of absolute perfect silence, what is the
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: horrific discovery of his own father's dismembered remains in a
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: creek going to compel him to do next?
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: That is the big question right now.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: We constantly look to brilliant detectives and forensic scientists for
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: the answers, but sometimes... The most effective detective in a
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: cold case isn't the police at all. Sometimes it's the sheer,
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  Speaker 1: unpredictable chaos of time itself.
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  Speaker 2: Time has a relentless way of eroding even the strongest foundations.
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  Speaker 2: It will be fascinating and likely terrifying to see what
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  Speaker 2: falls out of the wreckage next.