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22 Panels Episode #253 - EC Comics Artists Library · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:00
  Phil: Scenario.
• 0:02
  Tyler Johnson: Hey everybody, welcome back to 22 Panels. This is the podcast that aims to examine, explore, and elevate the medium of comics. I am Tyler, and across the interwebs.
• 0:16
  Tyler Johnson: Did you guys hear that one this time? Last week, we couldn't hear it.
• 0:18
  Phil: one.
• 0:18
  Tad Eggleston: I heard one.
• 0:20
  Tyler Johnson: It was a…
• 0:21
  Phil: There's the… there we go, there's both.
• 0:23
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, across the interwebs is Tad and Phil. Phil is back! Thanks, Tad. Last week was so scary without you.
• 0:30
  Phil: Oh, no.
• 0:31
  Tyler Johnson: we were tripping over our words, we were… no, I'm just kidding, we were awesome without you.
• 0:36
  Phil: Nice, okay.
• 0:38
  Phil: Keep the torch strong!
• 0:40
  Tad Eggleston: Nice, nice, tight episode.
• 0:43
  Tyler Johnson: I'm such a dick. Yeah, no.
• 0:46
  Tad Eggleston: Run in no time.
• 0:46
  Phil: Sure. Trimming all, trimming all, trimming all the fat, is that what you said?
• 0:50
  Tyler Johnson: No, Tad and I, it just seemed like we were like, you know what, let's just get this done, and so we just…
• 0:56
  Tyler Johnson: Kind of cut out all the side talk and just plow through it.
• 1:01
  Phil: Nice.
• 1:02
  Tyler Johnson: It went good. It was shorter, though, but… How are you guys?
• 1:08
  Phil: Still we can… I haven't had any coffee yet. My coffee's still cooling down to drinkable temperatures.
• 1:14
  Tad Eggleston: I haven't actually made my coffee.
• 1:16
  Phil: Wow.
• 1:17
  Tad Eggleston: I really should have set it up last night when I got home, but…
• 1:22
  Tad Eggleston: I… I didn't.
• 1:24
  Tad Eggleston: And I got to bed late, and I didn't get up in time to make it this morning, because I went out and saw…
• 1:31
  Tad Eggleston: Mark's new play last night.
• 1:34
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, Mark Pruck?
• 1:36
  Tad Eggleston: I…
• 1:36
  Tyler Johnson: I heard, or read… That… he read a part… this was on his social media.
• 1:43
  Tyler Johnson: That he read a part that would be perfect for him.
• 1:46
  Tyler Johnson: And… in the end, he just can't swing it in his life right now, and so he's a little disappointed.
• 1:54
  Tad Eggleston: There, there, there, there are moments…
• 1:56
  Tad Eggleston: There are moments… he'll be with us later today on the, Heroes in Bronze.
• 2:04
  Tad Eggleston: Book Club, where we will be discussing,
• 2:07
  Tad Eggleston: Issues 1 of, Secret Wars, and… Crisis on Infinite Earths.
• 2:15
  Phil: Alright.
• 2:16
  Tyler Johnson: Awesome.
• 2:17
  Tad Eggleston: Teasing that really quick.
• 2:19
  Tyler Johnson: That's awesome. Well, I'm at a spot… I'm at a spot now to start, bringing… looking for new plays for our playgroup to start thinking about.
• 2:32
  Tyler Johnson: So, I'm actually ready now to talk to him about the.
• 2:36
  Tad Eggleston: We'll have to,
• 2:39
  Tad Eggleston: I think you should do all three of them. I think you should do the trilogy.
• 2:45
  Tad Eggleston: Back-to-back, man.
• 2:47
  Tyler Johnson: We'd have.
• 2:48
  Phil: Put on a triple show.
• 2:51
  Phil: Have, like, a 9-hour play.
• 2:55
  Tyler Johnson: We'd have to do it,
• 2:58
  Tyler Johnson: Fall, spring, fall, or something like that.
• 3:01
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that's what I meant.
• 3:03
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 3:05
  Phil: No one's gone for the triple play before?
• 3:07
  Phil: That's not a thing?
• 3:09
  Tyler Johnson: We have a town of 5,000 people. Getting them to come to a Batman play is gonna be tough enough.
• 3:16
  Tad Eggleston: I don't call it a Batman play.
• 3:17
  Phil: It's in, it's in, it's in… I mean, you, you, you can have… no, well, you almost had real bats for it.
• 3:24
  Phil: You know?
• 3:25
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, I got rid of those.
• 3:26
  Phil: Yeah, exactly.
• 3:28
  Phil: So, I mean, that means you should have… you should have plenty left over for props, right?
• 3:33
  Tyler Johnson: So, I don't know if you guys knew the specifics of my position at the theater.
• 3:41
  Tyler Johnson: I have been the interim director since June, and I have since applied for the permanent position
• 3:50
  Tyler Johnson: And we'll see.
• 3:51
  Phil: Exciting. Yeah, good luck.
• 3:52
  Tyler Johnson: We'll see.
• 3:53
  Phil: the lake.
• 3:54
  Tyler Johnson: I hope so. Since I've been doing it for the summer, and I've been getting nothing but good feedback, I assume that I got a good shot at it, because anybody else applying
• 4:04
  Tyler Johnson: Because my predecessor has chemo, going on right now, so that's taking up all of his time and energy.
• 4:14
  Tyler Johnson: But, so, there's really no one else that knows how to do the ins and outs of it. Not that they couldn't learn, but I already have this leg up, you know what I mean?
• 4:24
  Phil: Nice, yeah.
• 4:25
  Phil: Plus, I'm pretty sure the way it works is, like, if they want to bring in somebody new, you have the right to challenge them on a trial by combat first.
• 4:32
  Phil: That's an old, old Shakespeare tradition.
• 4:35
  Tyler Johnson: But it's more of… well, I mean, in the 21st century, it's more of a trial-by-movie projector.
• 4:44
  Tyler Johnson: So, who can load the fastest and get their movie on the screen the fastest?
• 4:48
  Phil: Okay, I could see that.
• 4:49
  Tyler Johnson: You can see that?
• 4:50
  Phil: quite a…
• 4:50
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 4:50
  Phil: competition right there.
• 4:53
  Tyler Johnson: It's fun. It's fun. No, I'm just kidding, we only have one projector, so…
• 4:57
  Phil: So it's time trials, is what you're saying?
• 5:00
  Tyler Johnson: Yup. Yup. Time trials.
• 5:03
  Tyler Johnson: So, it's crazy, the film industry. We have to, like, load movies into the projector, digital copies, and it's not called uploading or loading, it's called ingesting.
• 5:15
  Phil: Oh.
• 5:16
  Tyler Johnson: And the theater, or I guess the movie term is ingesting it, so we're ingesting the movies and uploading it, blah blah blah.
• 5:23
  Phil: Interesting.
• 5:24
  Tyler Johnson: Yo.
• 5:24
  Phil: Very interesting.
• 5:26
  Phil: Yeah.
• 5:27
  Phil: We're not movies, we're stills. This is comics.
• 5:31
  Tyler Johnson: This is a… this is a comic podcast, and I'm the one rambling today.
• 5:36
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, our first piece of news is actually movie-related, because it's just too good. Okay. First of all, Star Wars.
• 5:47
  Tad Eggleston: Now, the last… of subtitle. Star Wars.
• 5:53
  Phil: Okay.
• 5:54
  Tad Eggleston: A restoration of the original, undoctored version.
• 5:59
  Tad Eggleston: We'll be returning to theaters for the 50th anniversary next year.
• 6:04
  Tad Eggleston: Including, for the first time ever?
• 6:07
  Tad Eggleston: IMAX 70mm prints.
• 6:10
  Phil: Wow.
• 6:12
  Tyler Johnson: So, this is a pre-New Hope version.
• 6:15
  Tad Eggleston: Raw.
• 6:16
  Tad Eggleston: I…
• 6:17
  Phil: Mmm, this is what it was.
• 6:18
  Tyler Johnson: It's called Star Wars.
• 6:20
  Tad Eggleston: That's right.
• 6:21
  Phil: Yeah. I… I think I have seen this version of it, but I… I definitely latched on to the,
• 6:28
  Phil: back in the 90s when I was a kid, when they did the re-releases with the…
• 6:32
  Tad Eggleston: And…
• 6:32
  Phil: the digital touch-ups.
• 6:34
  Tad Eggleston: I mean… Right.
• 6:35
  Tyler Johnson: I was 97.
• 6:37
  Tad Eggleston: It was the first round of them.
• 6:39
  Tyler Johnson: Yes.
• 6:40
  Phil: As opposed to…
• 6:41
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, blue.
• 6:41
  Phil: the Blu-ray touch-ups that I have not seen, because.
• 6:44
  Tad Eggleston: Well, there were a couple rounds in between those, too.
• 6:47
  Phil: Really? Okay.
• 6:48
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, there were deleted scenes added, and… their burrito shot first, and…
• 6:56
  Tyler Johnson: Original Anakin at the end of the whole thing was replaced by Hayden Christensen eventually.
• 7:01
  Phil: Oh, okay, yeah, I forgot about that part, but I know that, I know that the Greedo part, they put that in on the first round of, I'm pretty sure, where they made Greedo…
• 7:10
  Tad Eggleston: No, that wasn't… that wasn't the THX version, that was the…
• 7:14
  Phil: Totally.
• 7:16
  Tad Eggleston: So, actually, it might have been earlier than 97, the first round of touch-ups.
• 7:21
  Tyler Johnson: Oh!
• 7:22
  Tyler Johnson: Okay.
• 7:25
  Tyler Johnson: Any…
• 7:25
  Tad Eggleston: But, but yeah, you're right, the special edition.
• 7:29
  Phil: Yeah.
• 7:29
  Tad Eggleston: Was the first big round of touch-ups.
• 7:33
  Phil: That, I…
• 7:34
  Tyler Johnson: I remember the first touch-ups came about to get ready for Phantom Menace.
• 7:41
  Tyler Johnson: Nero.
• 7:41
  Phil: Really laid down the groundwork there.
• 7:44
  Tyler Johnson: Yup.
• 7:45
  Tyler Johnson: Huh?
• 7:46
  Tad Eggleston: But,
• 7:46
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 7:47
  Tad Eggleston: No, I, I…
• 7:48
  Tyler Johnson: I think all of us can wish that they never touched it at all.
• 7:51
  Tad Eggleston: I still have an original VHS set, and I have the DVD set from the one year that they put it out with the…
• 8:00
  Tad Eggleston: Second disc that had the original versions.
• 8:06
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, I have DVD versions as well, but I don't think they have that.
• 8:10
  Tad Eggleston: Now, there was only one time where it was really… they were released as two-disc sets, where the first disc was, like, the special edition, and the second disc was the… The original version.
• 8:25
  Tad Eggleston: So I have that set, and I've bought Star Wars lots, and lots of times.
• 8:32
  Tad Eggleston: I think 3 times on VHS.
• 8:36
  Tad Eggleston: And…
• 8:38
  Tyler Johnson: Do they make a package?
• 8:40
  Tad Eggleston: time zone.
• 8:41
  Tyler Johnson: now.
• 8:42
  Tad Eggleston: once on Blu-ray, once on digital.
• 8:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 8:50
  Tyler Johnson: Do they make a current packaging of it with all 9 movies? Like, the core movies?
• 8:55
  Tad Eggleston: I, I, I know that there are, there, there are… At least one.
• 9:02
  Tad Eggleston: I think, I think that it's… it's one of the movies that has, like, those, those,
• 9:08
  Tad Eggleston: What do they call them when they're in the aluminum boxes?
• 9:12
  Tad Eggleston: What's up?
• 9:14
  Tyler Johnson: Whatever you mean, but…
• 9:15
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Man.
• 9:16
  Tad Eggleston: Well, let's talk about.
• 9:17
  Tyler Johnson: What about Dark Horse?
• 9:19
  Tad Eggleston: And they're joining the Compact Comics game, starting with some, some black hammer, and some…
• 9:26
  Tad Eggleston: some Witcher, and I think a Hellboy volume, but I don't remember.
• 9:31
  Tyler Johnson: I love this, because I…
• 9:32
  Tad Eggleston: This year, they'll be doing…
• 9:34
  Tyler Johnson: I could sell the crap out of these compact things. People like them a lot.
• 9:38
  Phil: Nice.
• 9:39
  Tyler Johnson: I mean, as a collector, I don't, because to me, they're not, long-lasting, but…
• 9:44
  Phil: Right.
• 9:45
  Phil: They're, manga-sized, right?
• 9:47
  Tyler Johnson: Right. Yeah.
• 9:48
  Tad Eggleston: Essentially. What kind of week has it been? Oh, God.
• 9:53
  Tad Eggleston: Wow. So, first… we've, we've had, people in AI
• 9:59
  Tad Eggleston: like, actual people in AI, the people who are working on AI, the people who are supposed to be working on AI safety.
• 10:06
  Tad Eggleston: It's a joke. Talking about how there's a non-zero, and in fact.
• 10:14
  Tad Eggleston: Some people put it as high as 10% chance that in the next decade.
• 10:20
  Tad Eggleston: AI will kill us all.
• 10:23
  Phil: Because we needed another apocalypse on the horizon. That's… that's exactly.
• 10:28
  Tad Eggleston: Well, my favorite is, like, Ted Cruz actually said the meme when he was talking about it. He said, you know, if we're gonna have…
• 10:40
  Tad Eggleston: AI killer robots.
• 10:44
  Tad Eggleston: I want them to be American AI killer robots, not Chinese AI killer robots.
• 10:49
  Phil: I see, I see, yeah.
• 10:51
  Tad Eggleston: Because apparently it matters when we're destroying the world.
• 10:56
  Phil: Yeah.
• 10:58
  Tad Eggleston: But, on top of that.
• 11:01
  Tad Eggleston: So… so… we've been getting around the whole full-blown energy crisis, because… Oil shipments out of the…
• 11:12
  Tad Eggleston: Middle East. It'd be going through the Bab al-Mandreb Strait and the, Saudis East-West Pipeline. You know, thanks to this war that supposedly we've won.
• 11:26
  Tad Eggleston: the Houthis have seized control of,
• 11:33
  Tad Eggleston: the Bab al-Mandrib Strait on Thursday, and projectiles apparently launched from Iraq on Thursday have, shut down the Saudis' east-west pipeline. So,
• 11:48
  Tad Eggleston: Iran has, shut down oil coming out of the Middle East. This is apparently,
• 11:58
  Tad Eggleston: The, the, inability to make any war that they, hmm. I still have.
• 12:07
  Phil: It's really a… it's really a defeated populace that…
• 12:10
  Tad Eggleston: Right, we've totally…
• 12:12
  Phil: And shut down a second straight.
• 12:14
  Tad Eggleston: Meanwhile, in Dallas…
• 12:19
  Phil: It's a heck of a meanwhile.
• 12:21
  Tad Eggleston: Our president threw a party for himself.
• 12:24
  Tad Eggleston: I do want to, to make one, one quick public service announcement. This, this is cribbed from, Craig Calcatera's,
• 12:37
  Tad Eggleston: cup of coffee newsletter. Craig's one of the baseball writers I read, but he's also a,
• 12:45
  Tad Eggleston: a non-practicing lawyer. He keeps his license up to date, but… In response to, to…
• 12:56
  Tad Eggleston: Wednesday nights promise that if you elect Republicans, everybody will get $5,000.
• 13:05
  Tad Eggleston: Curr 18, U.S. Code 597, anyone offering or accepting money to vote, not vote.
• 13:12
  Tad Eggleston: or vote a certain way, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both, and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. So…
• 13:29
  Phil: Well, that's the rest of the term.
• 13:31
  Tad Eggleston: The president committed a crime on Wednesday night, and anyone who gets and cashes any of these checks could be criminally liable as well.
• 13:42
  Tad Eggleston: And then, did you guys see the weird oaths that he had them all take on Thursday?
• 13:47
  Phil: I heard about it, but I try not to listen to, like.
• 13:51
  Tyler Johnson: Yo, what was that about?
• 13:52
  Tad Eggleston: Oh my god. So, it's great.
• 13:55
  Phil: Gross.
• 13:56
  Tad Eggleston: It is, it's…
• 13:57
  Phil: Terrible.
• 13:58
  Tad Eggleston: It's, it was,
• 14:05
  Tad Eggleston: I'm trying to remember exactly what it was. It was… it was, here we go…
• 14:17
  Phil: I'm imagining something as awful and stilted as the Pledge of Allegiance, but, like, the most horrific of madly.
• 14:24
  Tad Eggleston: Please… Write your right hand…
• 14:28
  Tad Eggleston: I pledge to the greatest president in the history of the United States that loves us so much he can't even breathe.
• 14:37
  Tad Eggleston: That I will go out with him, or go out with my family, my friends, I'll do it anyway, I don't care if I'm registered or not, I'm going to cheat like hell, just like they do.
• 14:52
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 14:53
  Phil: Yep.
• 14:55
  Phil: Pledge allegiance to the cheat.
• 14:58
  Tyler Johnson: Wow.
• 15:02
  Tyler Johnson: That's crazy.
• 15:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yep.
• 15:04
  Phil: Yep, some, it's one of those things where, where…
• 15:08
  Phil: We've been here for a while, but, like, the dictatorship that's going on is just…
• 15:13
  Tyler Johnson: And then the people that can do something about it, that do have control of the House and Senate, why? Why? I mean, they're just letting this happen.
• 15:24
  Phil: Yep.
• 15:25
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and this is where I'm gonna say that there… there is a very non-zero chance
• 15:36
  Tad Eggleston: That regardless of what happens at the polls, there will be…
• 15:40
  Tad Eggleston: there won't be a peaceful transfer of power in the House and Senate.
• 15:46
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 15:47
  Tad Eggleston: So, like…
• 15:51
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know what everyday citizens can do right now, but I think that at the very least, it's a good idea to, like.
• 16:01
  Tad Eggleston: Be aware that the next few months are… Not only critical, but… But… Are likely to be ugly.
• 16:13
  Phil: Yeah.
• 16:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 16:18
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 16:20
  Tad Eggleston: Enough downers!
• 16:22
  Tad Eggleston: Let's talk something new to order comics.
• 16:25
  Tad Eggleston: I'll start us off.
• 16:26
  Tad Eggleston: with Chain Cotta!
• 16:28
  Tad Eggleston: Number 1, from Daniel Warren Johnson at Image Comics. Luma is a chainsaw-wielding warrior queen seeking out an unknown power in the vastness of space. All she wants is to find peace, but violence and terror chase her through every black hole.
• 16:46
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff of… October 26th, in stores on November 18.
• 16:53
  Tyler Johnson: Next up, Egg Hunt from Benjamin Percy and Raul Fernandez from Mad Cave.
• 16:59
  Tyler Johnson: Easter Sunday in the Midwest, sunrise service. The Lord has risen, and the hungry will come. A visitor crash-lands in the woods surrounding the picket-fence suburbia where little Piper lives with her mom, Tina, and her nasty stepdad, Don.
• 17:16
  Tyler Johnson: The world is frightening and alien for both Piper and her new…
• 17:20
  Tyler Johnson: friend. But on this day of cosmic forgiveness, when her family falls apart, the unlikely pair may find their own salvations. Final order cutoff is October 26th, and this will be in shops November 18th.
• 17:37
  Tyler Johnson: Just in time for… Thanksgiving?
• 17:40
  Tyler Johnson: I don't know.
• 17:41
  Phil: Clearly for Thanksgiving.
• 17:42
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, well, it's an Easter book coming out in November.
• 17:45
  Tyler Johnson: Hmm, so…
• 17:47
  Phil: Yep.
• 17:47
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 17:48
  Phil: Yeah, do what you want.
• 17:49
  Tyler Johnson: What do you mean?
• 17:50
  Phil: Goof, number one, from Mark Jackson, James Kochalka, Charlie Adlard, Hilary Barta.
• 17:58
  Phil: Johnny Ryan at, Floating World Goof, the world's goofiest comics magazine. 72 oversized pages, 2 free staples, it's here!
• 18:07
  Phil: Goof is a brand new comic for all age humans, of all lengths, widths, and depths that will bring out the big goof in them and you. Double Gooflicious, celebrating the joy of funny strips and gags, it's a classic comic with a modern appeal. The aim? To make you laugh so hard your eyeballs land in your neighbor's glass of lemonade. Clean up the aisle… clean up on aisle 3. Containing brand new comic strips by cartoonists from
• 18:32
  Phil: the goofy galaxy, including those people that I just listed before. And more, apparently. Is this mad for kids? No, it's goof for goofballs! So be the envy of all your friends, and order your copy today. It's gonna have a follow-up cutoff of September 28th in stores December 16th.
• 18:52
  Tyler Johnson: That's funny. Jean Grey, has her own series again.
• 18:57
  Phil: Charging Gray?
• 18:59
  Tyler Johnson: What's up?
• 18:59
  Phil: Sorry. I said movie star Jean Grey? Sorry.
• 19:03
  Tyler Johnson: No, this is the X-Men Jean Grey.
• 19:06
  Phil: It's the real.
• 19:06
  Tyler Johnson: The Phoenix is headed to Earth.
• 19:10
  Tyler Johnson: Shocker. Jean Grey is, aflame within. When she touches down, will she consume all she touches, or will she maintain control of the living… The life-giving, life-taking power coursing through her?
• 19:24
  Tyler Johnson: This is from Jed McKay, Rogue Antonio, from Marvel. Final order cutoff is October 19th, and will be in shops November…
• 19:33
  Tyler Johnson: 25th.
• 19:38
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, Rick Kirby from Christopher Sibela and Tango at Mad Cave.
• 19:43
  Tad Eggleston: War hero, star athlete, brilliant scientist, savvy private investigator, Rip Kirby's reputation is long secured, and these days he's enjoying the post-war boom of New York City. With gorgeous and quick-witted Honey Dorian at his side, and reformed criminal valet Desmond running the show, it's a perfect life and perfectly balanced. It's been perfect for what seems like forever.
• 20:05
  Tad Eggleston: But Rip's world is about to get complicated, and his unflappable, decent ways, newly tested.
• 20:11
  Tad Eggleston: Up against a world that seems to be growing too fast, can an upstanding man of morals and fair play like Rip himself
• 20:19
  Tad Eggleston: Or remain himself, or will he be swallowed up by the ugliness? New adaptation of the Alex Raymond classic.
• 20:29
  Tad Eggleston: From Christopher Spell and Tango.
• 20:32
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff of October 12th, and in stores on November.
• 20:38
  Tad Eggleston: Worth.
• 20:40
  Phil: Next up, Swamp Thing is Killing the Children, number one, from Jamestine IV, Werther Del Edra, over at Boom.
• 20:49
  Phil: James Tynan and Werther DeLedra, the superstar team behind the smash hit Something is Killing the Children, push the boundaries for the very first crossover story ever told in the fan-favorite Slaughterverse. Two siblings who are lifelong comics fans find their way to…
• 21:04
  Phil: to horror comics, in spite of the fears they inspire. As the terrifying visions from the pages of the comics start to come to life, Erica Slaughter will have to hunt down one of the horror's most recognizable figures, Swamp Thing himself.
• 21:18
  Phil: It's gonna have a final order cut off of October 18th in stores December 2nd.
• 21:24
  Phil: Next up, some graphic novels!
• 21:27
  Tyler Johnson: Did I forget to pick two things?
• 21:31
  Tad Eggleston: No, we're only doing one apiece again.
• 21:34
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, graphic novels, fantasy from Joanne Kevich from Mad Cave Maverick.
• 21:41
  Tyler Johnson: One on a quest for vengeance, the other on a quest for love.
• 21:46
  Tyler Johnson: Their destinies intertwine in fantasy, a graphic novel with two perspectives and two stories. For Alma, it's the big day. Chosen by the kingdom for the ritual of the bleeding of the gods, the crown princess will journey to the lands of the gods to slay one.
• 22:02
  Tyler Johnson: And thus avenge an affront to humanity that's 500 years old.
• 22:07
  Tyler Johnson: For your canur, your…
• 22:10
  Tyler Johnson: Hannah? It's the big day. The Oracle finally predicted that she will encounter her beloved, but the young giantess soon realizes that her beloved is a human, and thus begins a wait that will last 1,000 years. And what happens when these two worlds collide?
• 22:28
  Tyler Johnson: Final order cut off of November 2nd will be in shops November 25th.
• 22:34
  Phil: Alright, next up, also from Mad Cave, this time Mad Cave Nakama, is Land of Mingyi from Mimisoi.
• 22:43
  Phil: In a world ruled by the balance of yin and yang, a disastrous ritual shatters the last of the golden birds, awakening an ancient force that once plunged the land into darkness. As chaos rises, a group of unlikely teenagers is drawn into a prophecy they barely understand.
• 22:59
  Phil: Yao Yan, an outcast tied to a powerful relic. Mo Kao.
• 23:04
  Phil: Drawn to forbidden knowledge.
• 23:06
  Phil: Beifu, obsessed with legends, and Mao Yu, desperate to prove himself. Each must confront hidden truths and rising magic as the world tilts towards catastrophe. Blending elemental power, Chinese mythology, and coming-of-age adventure, the land of Ming Yi begins an epic journey in which fate, friendship, and courage determine the future of the realm. It's gonna have a final order cutoff of October 19th in stores November 11th
• 23:31
  Phil: items.
• 23:33
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, and Amazon from Mary M. Talbot and Brian Talbot at Abrams slash Self Made Hero.
• 23:39
  Tad Eggleston: It is time to effect a revolution in female manners. Time to restore to them their dignity. In the age of revolutions, with many movements springing up to demand greater liberties for mankind, Mary Wollstonecraft
• 23:56
  Tad Eggleston: spoke out for the other one half of the human race, that of womankind. Over 20 years before her daughter, Mary Shelley, created the science fiction genre with Frankenstein, Wolsoncraft's 1792 manifesto, Vindication of the Rights of Woman.
• 24:14
  Tad Eggleston: took the world by storm. Forthright and fearless, she mingled with other radical thinkers of her time and traveled widely. In the same year, she published her magnum opus. She even ventured alone to Paris during the reign of Terror.
• 24:31
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff of September 28th in stores on November 4th.
• 24:39
  Tad Eggleston: Collection!
• 24:41
  Tad Eggleston: Kyle.
• 24:43
  Tad Eggleston: No, I'm sorry, Phil.
• 24:45
  Phil: Jump in.
• 24:45
  Phil: First up, there's Automatic Kafka from Joe Casey and Ashley Wood over at Image. The beloved surrealist sci-fi by best-selling writer Joe Casey and critically acclaimed artist Ashley Wood will be brought back to print for the first time in 20 years! This trade paperback will collect the complete story, feature new material, and find its new publishing home at Image Comics. Automatic Kafka follows the titular, washed-up android superhero.
• 25:10
  Phil: Once a celebrated member of the now-defunct Super Team… super team? The Strangers, with dollar signs for S's, spiraling through a hyper-violent, media-soaked America. Seeking relevance, Kafka finds himself a pawn in shadowy government schemes, cult celebrity culture, and weaponized nostalgia. His desperate quest for humanity drags him straight into the wormhole of mankind's darkest vices.
• 25:35
  Phil: and confronts him with a jaw-dropping existential truth. It's gonna have a final order cutoff of October 19th in stores November 25th.
• 25:45
  Tad Eggleston: Corpse Knight from Michael Chavez.
• 25:47
  Tad Eggleston: Matthew Roberts and Rico Renzi at Image Comics. As war ravages France, a young girl named Foy lives in relative peace with her father, until tragedy strikes. As Foy struggles to fend for herself, she's granted a miracle. Her father returns from the dead to protect her. Now they embark on a sacred quest, confronting murderers, wild animals, wandering armies, and black magic plaguing the countryside.
• 26:12
  Tad Eggleston: As Foy comes face to face with the dark side of miracles and the secrets of the Corpse Knight, she must question if the man by her side has always been a monster.
• 26:22
  Tad Eggleston: A final order cut off of October 19th in stores November 25th.
• 26:30
  Tyler Johnson: Hey, back to me, we got Ripcord from Cullen Vaughn and Aneki.
• 26:35
  Tyler Johnson: The drug known as Ripcord has become the scourge of the world. It's extremely addictive, and it doesn't just alter your perception, it fundamentally alters who you are. Ripcord users have their whole bodies taken over by the substance, and it transforms them into mindless.
• 26:53
  Tyler Johnson: Frenzied killers who want nothing but to destroy. This makes every place the drug has grown popular dangerous. Dylan is one of thousands who has spent… who has lost a family member to Ripcord, but unlike so many others, she's going to do something about it.
• 27:10
  Tyler Johnson: Her sister has gone missing in the outback, and Dylan is going to stop at nothing, and let nothing stop her until she brings her home.
• 27:18
  Tyler Johnson: Final order cut off September 28th. This will be in shops November 10th.
• 27:25
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 27:26
  Tyler Johnson: Speaking of final order cutoff.
• 27:29
  Tad Eggleston: What's final order cut-offs?
• 27:31
  Tyler Johnson: I'll do it. Go ahead.
• 27:33
  Phil: I go. Alright. Okay. First up, there's Archie vs. the Terminator number 1 from Maury McConville, Stephen Butler, and Lily Butler over at Dynamite, in stores October 14th. Detective number 1 from David and Maria Lapham at Bad Idea, in stores October 21st. Godzilla Revenge of the Dead Zone from Ethan Parker and Griffin Sheridan, and Pablo Tunica over at IDW
• 27:58
  Phil: in stores October 28th, Hammerhead number one, from Ed Brisson and Damien Cuerkoercio at Mad Cave in stores October 14th, Happy Hour from Edward Steed over at Drawn, and Quarterly in stores October 20th.
• 28:13
  Phil: Human Clock from Tokunami Seichiro, from Living the Line in stores October 21st.
• 28:20
  Phil: And I Can't Stop Thinking About Horses and Sex from Lisa Hannawald, and Drawn and Quarterly in stores October 20th, Lancer No. 1 from Mike Costa and Jake Baker over at Bad Idea in stores October 21st, and No One Escapes the Dialectic No. 1,
• 28:38
  Phil: Incredible-looking original series from Spencer Ackerman and Antonio Fuso over at Boom In Stores November 4th. Next up, some crowdfunding.
• 28:49
  Tad Eggleston: We've got Pandora's Box and Echo Story from Terry Moore at Abstract Studio on Kickstarter through September 16th. Luis Sprout Stole My Heart! I've got 2 hours to get it back from Kyle Starks on Kickstarter through October 1st. Check out my conversation with him.
• 29:06
  Tad Eggleston: Tezuka, God of Manga, Jason Cohn on Kickstarter, launching soon. Death of Comics Books Case, Reign of Comics Book Cases from Zach Quaintance on Kickstarter, also launching soon.
• 29:17
  Phil: Sooner than sooner.
• 29:18
  Tad Eggleston: He, he will be… he will be on the… the podcast, I think, this week.
• 29:25
  Phil: Jake, okay.
• 29:25
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe next week. Yeah, soon. Soon!
• 29:28
  Tad Eggleston: And My Neighbor Necromancer number 4 from Dylan Gobertson on Kickstarter, also launching soon, though I know for a fact that that launching soon is the 15th, and he was recently on the podcast. Tyler, tell us about some Humble Bundles.
• 29:44
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, so, first up, we've got the Humanoids Mega Bundle. This is Universes Unbound Part 2.
• 29:52
  Tyler Johnson: For $20, 40 items, which actually is 132 volumes. Wow. Yeah, this is going to… Reading is Essential, and this has been extended through September 10th.
• 30:04
  Tyler Johnson: Image in the 20s Mega Bundle.
• 30:07
  Phil: It's the 13th.
• 30:10
  Tyler Johnson: Oh! Bum, bum, bum!
• 30:14
  Tad Eggleston: Has it been… has it been double-checked? No, it's still up.
• 30:18
  Phil: Okay.
• 30:19
  Tyler Johnson: Still up.
• 30:20
  Tad Eggleston: Or at least… let me check, maybe it's not…
• 30:24
  Phil: Since, some live, live…
• 30:27
  Tad Eggleston: I, I felt… I had double-checked them all, but it was late last night after going to the play.
• 30:33
  Tad Eggleston: So… so,
• 30:35
  Phil: You were drunk on, stage drama.
• 30:38
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, humanoids is… is done.
• 30:40
  Tyler Johnson: Go on. Okay.
• 30:42
  Phil: Work, weren't.
• 30:43
  Tyler Johnson: So, take everything I just said and throw that away. Yep. Image, though, Image in the 20s Mega Bundle is going through just tomorrow, Monday the 14th. So, $25 gets you 70 items, so that's the Book Industry Charitable Foundation.
• 31:01
  Tyler Johnson: Mini-series, quick hits, and speedy reads from Dynamite. 88 single issues for $18, that is awesome. Comic book legal defense fund, going through the 15th, so you got till Tuesday.
• 31:18
  Tyler Johnson: The EC Comic Artist Library from Fanna Graphics gets you 40 items for $25. Again, Book Industry Charitable Foundation, through September 18th, or September, excuse me, 17th.
• 31:33
  Tyler Johnson: And then, lastly, the Valiant Mega Bundle. For $20, you can get 105 items.
• 31:40
  Tyler Johnson: For the Book Industry Charitable Foundation, extended through September 18th, so all of these are wrapping up this week, guys.
• 31:52
  Tad Eggleston: At least… At least as of now.
• 31:54
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, so Tad, 3 amazing new books.
• 31:57
  Tad Eggleston: This is one of the weeks where my predicted books from last week and my top books from this week are not only the same, but in the same order. Six of Us No. 1 from Tom King, and Gabriel Hernandez-Walta was…
• 32:16
  Tad Eggleston: not quite what I was expecting, and.
• 32:19
  Tyler Johnson: No, even.
• 32:19
  Tad Eggleston: more awesome for it.
• 32:21
  Tad Eggleston: As was Forever Home, number one, from Christian Ward and Sammy Cavella, and Sarah Gailey and Haining wrapped up Neighborhood Watch in a very…
• 32:33
  Tad Eggleston: very satisfactory matter. So,
• 32:38
  Tad Eggleston: It was a blast of a week, because there were a bunch of other good books, too.
• 32:43
  Tad Eggleston: Great, great time to be reading comics.
• 32:46
  Tyler Johnson: Your Batman and Robin Year 1 Dynamic Duo is number two? God, that's a long title. But it was awesome. I really liked that series. Yes.
• 32:54
  Tad Eggleston: was.
• 32:55
  Tyler Johnson: It's really… it's really gonna be cool, I think. And I… but that's the thing, Chris Samney's artwork in that Batman and Robin stuff is always great. That's the style of art that I am really drawn to. Kind of… I mean, not quite Kyle Starks, but yet still fun, right? And still…
• 33:14
  Tyler Johnson: I don't know what I'm trying to say.
• 33:15
  Phil: I assume as, like,
• 33:18
  Phil: the inheritor of Darwin Cook's legacy, you know? He reminds me of that quite a bit, with the heavy shadows, but positivity, and really, you know…
• 33:27
  Phil: Bouncy characters.
• 33:29
  Tyler Johnson: Bonsai is a good word. It's… it's Batman, but it's… but it's light, you know?
• 33:34
  Tyler Johnson: Absolutely. And Mark Waid, you know, it comes from the writing, too, don't get me wrong, but I'm really, I'm really drawn to Chris's artwork, so…
• 33:44
  Phil: Oh, yeah. And, yeah, they've been working together for over a decade now, I'm sure.
• 33:49
  Tyler Johnson: Lots of stuff, yeah.
• 33:51
  Tyler Johnson: Ew.
• 33:53
  Tyler Johnson: Well, yeah, Carmen Blade was pretty good. I already read the little, the little, ash can that came out, but…
• 34:01
  Phil: What are your three amazing books, Tyler?
• 34:04
  Tyler Johnson: I didn't rate any because I didn't take the time to. That's the… that's the real answer.
• 34:11
  Phil: We can… we can… we can put a section in the rundown for you, you know, if you're… if… if… if you'd like.
• 34:16
  Tyler Johnson: Well, let's do… yeah, let's do both of us.
• 34:19
  Phil: Yeah, yeah, well, we get to our.
• 34:20
  Tad Eggleston: You wanna start doing them again?
• 34:22
  Tyler Johnson: Yes, I will start doing it again. I am reading a lot more now, so… Heck yeah. Yes. Yep.
• 34:29
  Tyler Johnson: Yep, we'll start doing that. One, walk with Phil, though…
• 34:34
  Phil: Yeah?
• 34:35
  Phil: Yeah, okay, I'll do it. It's time. So I… I… I was supposed to, and still did, read Golden Rage last week, and it was phenomenal. Was it? Absolutely. Yeah, it's so good. It is… even… even as many times as I've heard Tad say how great it was, did not… did not prepare me for,
• 34:54
  Tyler Johnson: I don't think… I had Golden Rage for last week.
• 34:58
  Phil: You did?
• 35:00
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 35:00
  Phil: I…
• 35:01
  Tyler Johnson: Did we both pick the same one?
• 35:03
  Phil: Maybe. I, I, I…
• 35:04
  Tyler Johnson: It's still fun. It's still awesome. It is. It is good.
• 35:08
  Phil: good. So it's… it would have been even more awkward if I was there, and we had both read the same book, and then… and just… just stumbling over each other. But yeah, but it's… it's really Topps, and I was able to enjoy it on, thank you to whoever, allowed me to… to sign in. I have a new, hand-me-down tablet.
• 35:25
  Phil: That my wife, brought back from… from vacation, so I can now…
• 35:31
  Phil: read digital comics on an appropriately sized screen that is not my phone. So,
• 35:37
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, do you… do you like it so far?
• 35:39
  Phil: I do. It's… I mean, it's a little…
• 35:41
  Phil: It's a little weird, it's an Amazon tablet, so it feels like… it feels like Bizarro iPad, you know?
• 35:49
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, you'll get your Kendled or not.
• 35:51
  Phil: Yeah. Yeah. I guess that's what it is, I don't know. But
• 35:57
  Phil: But yeah, so it's fun. I also, last week, did either of you guys read, Prima Operada No. 1 from, Ignition?
• 36:05
  Tad Eggleston: I did that.
• 36:06
  Phil: Oh, it's really good! It's, it is awesome. It is, space station training, mech pilots as ballerinas.
• 36:17
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, I was gonna say, prima operata, to me, sounds like a ballet, or…
• 36:22
  Tyler Johnson: You know, but… that's cool.
• 36:24
  Phil: So, so giant robot ballet fighting,
• 36:27
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, gosh.
• 36:27
  Phil: pretty damn cool. I'm excited for it. I've… it… when it got solicited, I was, my ears perked up, and, issue 1 did not disappoint, so it's top notch.
• 36:37
  Phil: This is also… we don't… we don't… I know Tad…
• 36:39
  Phil: prefers to highlight things that he enjoys, as opposed to, things to dislike, and this is… this is outside comics. I just… I just need to say, fuck you, J.K. Rowling, at least, like, you know, once a month, to as many people as will hear it. You know, daniel Radcliffe.
• 36:55
  Tyler Johnson: Philip is getting… he's getting more and more vocal. Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen more and more…
• 37:01
  Tyler Johnson: I've been seeing more and more of his, like, anti, JK stuff, is what I'm saying. More local against her.
• 37:08
  Phil: Really emphasizing that, like, Continuing to support the franchise.
• 37:13
  Phil: puts money in her pocket, and she spends that money on trying to hurt people, specifically trans people around the world. So, if we could not do that, that'd be great. If we could tell her to kick rocks and, you know.
• 37:26
  Tyler Johnson: It's crazy, she's ruined her legacy. You know, down the… 50 years down the road, she could have been known as a J.R. Tolkien kind of legacy, you know?
• 37:35
  Phil: she had put her money towards something good, like how Dolly Parton did, helping kids read, as opposed to towards hateful things, like keeping people from being able to live their authentic selves.
• 37:47
  Phil: Yeah, exactly. It would have been completely reversed. So, that's pretty much it. In… in One Piece Race…
• 37:56
  Phil: news, I continue… I've been plowing through Smoking Behind the Supermarket with you. I got through the end of Volume 6, and it's a hell of a cliffhanger.
• 38:06
  Phil: I am chomping at the bit, screaming, crying, throwing up for Volume 7 right now, to the point where I even… I even requested it twice from the library, because…
• 38:16
  Phil: it seems like the first time I requested it, it got stuck in transit for several days, which doesn't usually happen, so I put a second request on it to hope that the second copy shows up. Yeah, I'm a nut.
• 38:26
  Phil: I'm… I'm… You know, beside myself. I haven't yet! I haven't yet. It's… it's… we'll see you on Monday.
• 38:34
  Tyler Johnson: Good.
• 38:34
  Phil: You know,
• 38:35
  Tyler Johnson: And that's Volume 7.
• 38:37
  Phil: That's Volume 7, yeah. It's great.
• 38:38
  Tyler Johnson: I'm gonna have to check up Smoke, it sounds cool.
• 38:40
  Phil: It, well, it's… it's like, it's… it's what happens when you've got, like, a slow-burn rom-com romance, where it was like, I'm pretty sure it took until the end of Volume 2 for them to accidentally touch hands, you know? So, like, that's the speed at which we're going here, and, like, the end of Volume 6…
• 38:57
  Phil: there was a drunken race with stakes on the line, and it really escalated things, and I'm so… I'm so excited to see where Volume 7 picks up, so…
• 39:09
  Phil: Yeah.
• 39:10
  Phil: I will… I will continue being a feral mess about this series for the foreseeable future.
• 39:16
  Tyler Johnson: That's awesome!
• 39:17
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, man!
• 39:20
  Tad Eggleston: And I…
• 39:20
  Tyler Johnson: Oh.
• 39:21
  Tad Eggleston: God.
• 39:21
  Tyler Johnson: Go ahead.
• 39:22
  Tad Eggleston: more cha- or four or five more chapters into One Piece. I wasn't sure if it was just enjoying it?
• 39:27
  Phil: Nice.
• 39:29
  Phil: I think it was just…
• 39:30
  Tad Eggleston: week.
• 39:31
  Phil: Chugging away?
• 39:33
  Tad Eggleston: in a way?
• 39:34
  Phil: 500 chapters to go?
• 39:36
  Tad Eggleston: Did you catch up?
• 39:39
  Tad Eggleston: I think it's at least that many.
• 39:43
  Phil: Yeah, I just figured…
• 39:44
  Tyler Johnson: It's best not to look ahead. Just keep your eyes… Right.
• 39:48
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 39:48
  Phil: Really?
• 39:49
  Phil: drill down? Okay, okay.
• 39:51
  Tyler Johnson: Just keep… just watch your feet so you don't trip. Just keep going.
• 39:55
  Tad Eggleston: So, we continue now using Humble Bundles to, to foist new and different things on Tyler and, and, Phil. How much experience did either of you had with EC Comics before?
• 40:11
  Phil: Pretty much.
• 40:12
  Tyler Johnson: P.
• 40:13
  Phil: All reputation.
• 40:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yes.
• 40:14
  Tyler Johnson: reputation only. I knew what it was, and I knew the look of… right, EC Comics had a look to them, you know?
• 40:22
  Phil: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:22
  Tyler Johnson: And that…
• 40:24
  Phil: that tablet. I'll be right back.
• 40:26
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, that, caught me right away, was looking at… looking through to say which one I wanted to buy. It was like, oh, cool, which one…
• 40:35
  Tyler Johnson: has that, special something that EC Comics seems to offer, as far as, like, I don't know.
• 40:46
  Tyler Johnson: Creepiness?
• 40:46
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and I liked that we wound up choosing, like, 3 different genre types. Mine was mostly noir, yours is mostly horror, and Phil's is mostly morality tales.
• 41:01
  Phil: It… it was kind of all… it was all over the place, really.
• 41:04
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but I'm just…
• 41:07
  Phil: Yeah, but yeah, I guess…
• 41:08
  Tad Eggleston: I think for all of us, they're a little bit all over the place, but certainly, like.
• 41:15
  Tad Eggleston: Man and Superman is… is…
• 41:18
  Phil: I don't know.
• 41:18
  Tad Eggleston: Reality Channel.
• 41:19
  Phil: It, it turns.
• 41:21
  Tad Eggleston: And we also chose 3 different artists.
• 41:24
  Phil: Trust.
• 41:25
  Tad Eggleston: Got Harvey Kurtzman, Tyler's got Jack Kamen, and I've got Johnny Craig. So, yeah, let's hear your thoughts first, because I've… I've talked up EC a few places before.
• 41:39
  Tyler Johnson: Well, I can tell you… Phil, you wanna go first?
• 41:41
  Phil: Sure, yeah, the cover of mine came from not Man and Superman, but Lost in the Microcosm, which is, I think, probably my favorite story out of these. It was really interesting about, a guy who…
• 41:56
  Phil: is a scientist assistant, and they invent a shrinking formula to where they get something to keep shrinking, and of course, he was like, well, how do you get it to stop? And the guy's like, don't worry about that just yet, we're still working on the stop shrinking part.
• 42:11
  Phil: And then, you know, he just continually shrinks until, you know, he gets down to atom size, and then the atom is, like, the size of a universe, and then he's, like, falling through the universe, and eventually shrinks down onto a planet, and he's just, like, trapped in this cycle. I mean, it's one of those where, like.
• 42:29
  Phil: I wished… I wish that it ended…
• 42:33
  Phil: a little bit stronger. Like, that was kind of my… my ultimate take
• 42:39
  Phil: on these by the end, is that, like, I mean, for the time, the art is incredible.
• 42:46
  Phil: Like, it really is, like, fully fleshed out, and almost nothing else you'd see around the era. But, like, the stories just kind of end? Like…
• 43:00
  Phil: I guess part of it is probably because… You know, this was so…
• 43:06
  Phil: forward-thinking and, like, revolutionary for its time, that…
• 43:10
  Phil: some of these situations are like, well, we ran out of page, so I guess we're just gonna stop here.
• 43:15
  Tyler Johnson: Just stop. Yup.
• 43:17
  Phil: Like, so… I, I think that was the first one, the, lost in the microcosm,
• 43:25
  Phil: that was really like, no, no, no, I wanted this to keep going, I wanted to see, you know, this doesn't feel concluded, it just ends on this idea, like, what if… what if…
• 43:35
  Phil: we are but a speck in the infinite cosmos, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, that's fine, but, like.
• 43:41
  Phil: If I could get another Cosmic revelation, that'd be great, you know.
• 43:45
  Phil: How was your, group of things, Tyler?
• 43:50
  Tyler Johnson: it was creepy. So, I really love horror anthology. So, this was… this was right up my alley. You know, like, the new contemporary E.C. Oni stuff, is kind of doing this, again, with their… with their catacombs of Terror and whatever else they pronounce.
• 44:07
  Phil: Yeah.
• 44:08
  Tyler Johnson: However.
• 44:09
  Tyler Johnson: this old EC story book, or book of stories, is just awesome. Jack Hammond's, artwork is really stark. It really takes advantage of, like, just heavy black filling in
• 44:23
  Tyler Johnson: as much shadow as can be, and then those, pops of white coming through, because there's no color in this, so the pops of white coming through are just really dramatic, you know?
• 44:35
  Phil: Absolutely.
• 44:36
  Tyler Johnson: And then… and then that's not even Ray Bradbury and, and, Al Feinstein's… Feldstein's, writing is just awesome. So if you… if you've read Ray Bradbury's sci-fi or futuristic stuff in the past.
• 44:54
  Tyler Johnson: His comic book stuff here, or short story stuff, is really good.
• 44:58
  Tyler Johnson: Nice. Yeah, and then,
• 45:02
  Phil: Familiar with.
• 45:03
  Tyler Johnson: fruit.
• 45:04
  Phil: Fahrenheit 451. I said, I'm familiar with Fahrenheit 451, but that's about it for Bradbury. I know he's in the ABCs of con… of, sci-fi, though.
• 45:13
  Tyler Johnson: Easy.
• 45:14
  Tad Eggleston: The master of the short story, sci-fi or not.
• 45:17
  Phil: Yeah.
• 45:17
  Tad Eggleston: Which made him just the perfect person to… there's actually a whole collection of…
• 45:23
  Phil: I almost picked the BrightBerry.
• 45:25
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 45:27
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah. Yeah. Well, what I like is that the Crypt Keeper-type narrator in this book, is…
• 45:37
  Tyler Johnson: you know, still, it's still an icon, you know, like the Crypt Keeper kind of thing.
• 45:43
  Tyler Johnson: But, I don't know, I enjoyed it better. Like, sometimes those narrators just kind of get on my nerves. You're like, welcome, darlings, to the newest tale.
• 45:51
  Phil: There's way too much preamble, yeah.
• 45:54
  Tyler Johnson: Yep, and this has a little bit of preamble, but then goes right… it's like, you know, one word balloon, and then goes into the story.
• 46:01
  Tyler Johnson: And so… but Crypt of the Terror is my favorite from the book.
• 46:09
  Phil: So… Yes.
• 46:11
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 46:12
  Phil: Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at a couple… a couple others of these, and I guess that's… that was kind of… I guess that was part of what kept me from…
• 46:20
  Phil: while reading them, realizing how they're united, Tad, is when you said there were morality tales, it's like, okay, yeah, I get that now, because…
• 46:28
  Phil: That was, you know, like.
• 46:31
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, Kurtzman really did 3 things. He did war stories that were anti-war stories.
• 46:37
  Tad Eggleston: He did… did Morality Tales, and he invented MAD.
• 46:42
  Phil: Okay.
• 46:43
  Phil: Yeah.
• 46:45
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, and, like, Kurtzman is one of the, you know, I need to edit the episode to put it up, because there's one thing that we wanted to clip.
• 46:54
  Tad Eggleston: But, because we just got… discombobulated.
• 47:00
  Tad Eggleston: But I talked to Bart Simpson about the Kurtzman documentary that… that debuted in…
• 47:07
  Tad Eggleston: in… at the Scotland Edinburgh Film Festival a few weeks ago.
• 47:13
  Tad Eggleston: Which I also was… was blessed enough to get to watch.
• 47:18
  Phil: I wasn't sure if… because I saw that… that interview email, I wasn't sure if that was, you know.
• 47:25
  Phil: the cartoon Bart Simpson, or if there was just someone else, unfortunately, named Bart Simpson.
• 47:30
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, he had the name first.
• 47:33
  Phil: Okay, good for him. Good for him that his parents didn't name him Bart Simpson after the song.
• 47:37
  Tad Eggleston: He was actually, like, I think he graduated from high school as his name became the most popular name in the world. Yeah. But Kurtzman's an interesting guy. He's, he's…
• 47:56
  Tad Eggleston: possibly the most talented artist at EC, and EC was stacked with talented artists.
• 48:05
  Tad Eggleston: But also really meticulous.
• 48:10
  Phil: I could see the meticulousness.
• 48:12
  Tad Eggleston: But, like, when he wrote stories, he would also lay them out, and he didn't like it if, like, the artists that deviated too much, he didn't want to work with anymore.
• 48:22
  Phil: Yeah.
• 48:23
  Tyler Johnson: Mmm.
• 48:24
  Phil: It is interesting. I mean, and I.
• 48:25
  Tad Eggleston: In an era where there was almost no research done on
• 48:29
  Tad Eggleston: anything in comics, like, he was doing heavy research into his war stories, you know, spent a lot of time at the New York Public Library, that sort of thing. Yeah.
• 48:40
  Tad Eggleston: So, you know, Kurtzman was a very interesting guy,
• 48:50
  Tad Eggleston: I'm looking forward to, looking forward to that documentary's… what?
• 48:56
  Tyler Johnson: In Man and Superman, who did the art? Alf Feldstein.
• 49:00
  Tad Eggleston: No, Feldstein was mostly a writer.
• 49:03
  Tad Eggleston: He would occasionally do art.
• 49:07
  Tad Eggleston: Like, in these, it's really appropriate to highlight the artist.
• 49:14
  Tyler Johnson: Huh.
• 49:15
  Tad Eggleston: Because… they weren't quite… Marvel Method.
• 49:21
  Tad Eggleston: Most of the time.
• 49:23
  Tad Eggleston: But EC Comics are really driven by the artist.
• 49:28
  Tad Eggleston: Filled steam. Yeah, and that's…
• 49:30
  Tyler Johnson: That's the point I was making earlier with the book I read, is that it's… it's all about the art for the… for the.
• 49:35
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 49:35
  Tyler Johnson: You know?
• 49:36
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, like, Feldstein would often actually…
• 49:44
  Tad Eggleston: one of the first pieces of advice I was given about EC Comics was…
• 49:49
  Phil: Hmm.
• 49:50
  Tad Eggleston: don't read.
• 49:52
  Tad Eggleston: the exposition captions.
• 49:55
  Tad Eggleston: Oh. And when I was…
• 49:58
  Tad Eggleston: Unless you, like, desperately need to. And it was when I was, I was,
• 50:05
  Tad Eggleston: I think it was in Tencent Plague, which is a fantastic Nonfiction book on… on…
• 50:13
  Tad Eggleston: the Wortham era and that sort of thing. That I learned that Oftentimes, Feldstein would write the stories
• 50:26
  Tad Eggleston: on the Bristol boards.
• 50:28
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, so the… The exposition boxes are essentially the stage direction.
• 50:37
  Phil: Oh, okay.
• 50:38
  Phil: Interesting.
• 50:39
  Tyler Johnson: Bang.
• 50:39
  Tad Eggleston: So rather than having a separate typed out, or even written out, you know, it's right there on the board, and that's why the exposition boxes are often superfluous.
• 50:52
  Phil: Yeah.
• 50:54
  Tad Eggleston: But it was a time-saving slash money-saving thing, because, you know, you're not having to pay for typewriter ink and typewriter paper, and…
• 51:01
  Phil: Interesting.
• 51:02
  Tad Eggleston: I already got it on the board, so you don't have to…
• 51:06
  Tad Eggleston: Rather than write it twice, you're writing it once.
• 51:10
  Tad Eggleston: item.
• 51:11
  Tad Eggleston: Bill Gaines was an interesting guy. Also a brilliant guy in his own ways.
• 51:16
  Phil: People then draw over, like, the written story?
• 51:21
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, again, it was in the exposition boxes.
• 51:24
  Phil: Oh, okay.
• 51:26
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, so, so, like, they, they draw in what space he left them. Okay.
• 51:31
  Tad Eggleston: This is probably part of where Wally Wood got the…
• 51:36
  Tad Eggleston: The 22 panels that always work with writers who use too much dialogue and don't give you enough space to…
• 51:44
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 51:46
  Phil: Yeah.
• 51:48
  Tad Eggleston: I read, and I didn't manage to finish because it was a busy week, but I read The Woman Who Loved Life and Other Stories from Johnny Craig.
• 51:57
  Tad Eggleston: Johnny Craig, Was a slow artist.
• 52:03
  Tad Eggleston: So, in spite of the fact that he
• 52:08
  Tad Eggleston: he was with EC for, like, the entire run. He started his… his career there under… under Bill's dad.
• 52:17
  Tad Eggleston: He's, like, 4th or 5th in terms of overall number of stories.
• 52:24
  Tad Eggleston: But… there.
• 52:29
  Tad Eggleston: No. Perfect.
• 52:32
  Tad Eggleston: you know, the strength of line, the storytelling, everything is just outstanding. And he was one of the guys that, like Kurtzman, generally wrote his own stories. He would work with Feldstein stuff. Al Feldstein probably did the writing on…
• 52:50
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know, 70% of EC off the top of my head, it feels like.
• 52:55
  Tad Eggleston: But again, like, his writing duties were…
• 53:03
  Tad Eggleston: More than Stan was doing for Jack, but less than we think of in terms of a writer.
• 53:10
  Tad Eggleston: Today, You know, the artists were given a lot of… a lot of… A room to really…
• 53:17
  Tad Eggleston: Make their stuff.
• 53:19
  Tad Eggleston: And Craig… Craig's noir is just second to none, but then, like, he also… was…
• 53:31
  Tad Eggleston: Kind of the one that pushed them… they didn't push them into horror, but as they got into horror, it turns out he was really good at that.
• 53:39
  Tad Eggleston: Woman Who Loved Life and other stories are mostly his, his pre-horror days.
• 53:45
  Tad Eggleston: And again, like, just…
• 53:47
  Tyler Johnson: In The Woman Who Loved Life and Other Stories, the cover, to me, that red just really pops. I love that.
• 53:54
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 53:55
  Tyler Johnson: I just… it just really hit me,
• 54:00
  Tad Eggleston: And, you know, there's a… including The Woman Who Loved Life, there's a… there's a trio of stories with… with really strong femme fatales.
• 54:12
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah, I mean, like…
• 54:15
  Tad Eggleston: looking at EC Comics is kind of like looking at old issues of the spirit, particularly for those of us who are more…
• 54:27
  Tad Eggleston: steeped in… 70s and 80s comics?
• 54:35
  Tyler Johnson: I agree.
• 54:36
  Tad Eggleston: Because… it's like, wait a minute, this was the 50s?
• 54:42
  Tad Eggleston: like…
• 54:43
  Phil: Or even the fourth?
• 54:44
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, they went down a dark hole in the 50s.
• 54:47
  Tad Eggleston: Well, it's not just the dark hole, the art quality, the storytelling quality.
• 54:52
  Phil: Yeah.
• 54:53
  Tad Eggleston: Like, you know…
• 54:56
  Tyler Johnson: You're right, yeah.
• 54:57
  Phil: I mean, I…
• 54:58
  Tad Eggleston: First discover the spirit, and you discover that it's, like.
• 55:04
  Tad Eggleston: 40 years before Frank Miller's Daredevil, and you're like…
• 55:08
  Phil: Yeah.
• 55:08
  Tad Eggleston: Why did they stop making comics like this?
• 55:12
  Phil: Yeah.
• 55:13
  Phil: Well, and that's…
• 55:13
  Tyler Johnson: Four heroes in the 80s.
• 55:15
  Phil: That was… well, that was one… one of my big takeaways, is the idea that, like, wait, this is… this is the publisher.
• 55:21
  Tad Eggleston: that…
• 55:23
  Phil: terrified the government so much that they, you know, cracked down on the comic industry, and they… and the comic industry submitted to them with… by creating the Comics Code, right?
• 55:34
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 55:34
  Phil: Yep.
• 55:34
  Tad Eggleston: Kind of. I mean, really, like, if you look at it fully, this is the publisher that showed that those books sold, so everybody else did them too.
• 55:44
  Tad Eggleston: Then the government went, oh, what are we…
• 55:48
  Phil: Oh, okay.
• 55:48
  Tad Eggleston: And, like.
• 55:50
  Phil: So there were copies. You gotta also…
• 55:51
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, the whole industry copied them.
• 55:55
  Phil: Yeah, yeah.
• 55:55
  Tad Eggleston: But you also have to remember that it was, like.
• 56:00
  Tad Eggleston: the second televised set of congressional hearings? After the mob hearings? And the mob hearings had, like…
• 56:07
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Made a number of careers, so… so it was like the beginning of, we need to find ways to get ourselves on TV!
• 56:17
  Phil: I see.
• 56:20
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, EC also got… centered, because…
• 56:28
  Tad Eggleston: Bill Gaines was… was really the only owner that, like, not only was he offended by the whole process, because he's sitting there going.
• 56:39
  Tad Eggleston: The hell is wrong with you?
• 56:41
  Tad Eggleston: Because of that, he demanded to testify. But then, nerves, over-caffeination, whatever, his testimony…
• 56:52
  Tad Eggleston: Like, the words themselves weren't terrible, but the presentation… It didn't come off well.
• 56:59
  Tad Eggleston: Gikes.
• 57:02
  Tad Eggleston: Particularly when he would try to use humor, you know? There was one point in the testimony where, like, he was shown a cover with, like, a severed head and whatnot, and…
• 57:15
  Tad Eggleston: And he was asked if this was in…
• 57:19
  Tad Eggleston: poor taste, and he's like, no, no. See, if we had had blood dripping down from the head, that would have been poor taste. Yeah.
• 57:31
  Phil: That's amusing.
• 57:32
  Tad Eggleston: That sort of thing.
• 57:35
  Tad Eggleston: Like, this is where I tell people that they should go pick up, Mark Pratt's
• 57:44
  Tad Eggleston: Innocence of seduction.
• 57:47
  Tad Eggleston: As well as the 10-cent plague by… let's give credit where credit is due, since we've brought it up a couple of times now.
• 57:58
  Tad Eggleston: Tencent Plague Bomb… Yay… David, how do you hide you.
• 58:05
  Phil: Alright.
• 58:11
  Tad Eggleston: It… it… It was an interesting era.
• 58:15
  Tad Eggleston: One of the… one of the big things that should be known
• 58:22
  Tad Eggleston: at least as far as I'm concerned, about, where…
• 58:30
  Tad Eggleston: one of the things that's, like, completely forgotten about the hearings, like, like, Frederick Wertham is the villain of the hearings, and, like.
• 58:39
  Tad Eggleston: Before… before you paint him completely as a villain, his work was also essential in Brown v. Board of Education.
• 58:46
  Phil: Yep.
• 58:49
  Tad Eggleston: Complicated, man.
• 58:51
  Phil: Yeah.
• 58:52
  Tad Eggleston: Say the least. But, like…
• 58:55
  Tad Eggleston: He came from the perspective that 95% of the…
• 59:01
  Tad Eggleston: Of the violent children that he studied were comic book readers.
• 59:08
  Tad Eggleston: There was a female psychologist.
• 59:12
  Tad Eggleston: who was actually, I want to say, the head of…
• 59:17
  Tad Eggleston: Can't remember the name of…
• 59:22
  Tad Eggleston: the big psychiatric hospital in New York at the time. It's one that
• 59:27
  Tad Eggleston: I almost said Bedlam, but that's… that's London.
• 59:31
  Tad Eggleston: It's one that would immediately… she testified, and she's like, yeah, see, the thing is, 95% of violent children read comics, but, like, 98% of all children read comics, so…
• 59:47
  Tad Eggleston: And she talked about how, like, she'd lost her husband in…
• 59:52
  Tad Eggleston: To a car accident, and her boys had actually used one of the horror stories that involved a car accident as a coping tool
• 1:00:04
  Tad Eggleston: To understand what had happened to their father.
• 1:00:07
  Phil: Damn.
• 1:00:08
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:00:09
  Tad Eggleston: So, so it's not as simple as… as, like.
• 1:00:14
  Tad Eggleston: everybody was against it. There were people at the time speaking up. It was much more of a Red Scare type thing.
• 1:00:22
  Tad Eggleston: Also.
• 1:00:25
  Tad Eggleston: The Comics Code was capitulation, it wasn't required.
• 1:00:28
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:00:28
  Phil: Right, right.
• 1:00:29
  Tad Eggleston: The, the…
• 1:00:36
  Tad Eggleston: Congress didn't wind up actually doing anything, and may or may not have wound up doing anything even without the Comics Code, but the Comics Code was…
• 1:00:46
  Tad Eggleston: Proposed by the publishers, and importantly, all of the publishers accept gains.
• 1:00:52
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:00:53
  Tad Eggleston: Who they didn't invite to the meeting.
• 1:00:57
  Tad Eggleston: And then they did things like include…
• 1:01:03
  Tad Eggleston: The word horror, or the word crime, couldn't be in titles!
• 1:01:09
  Tad Eggleston: So, like, they literally wrote the code.
• 1:01:12
  Tad Eggleston: In an attempt to put EC Comics out of business.
• 1:01:16
  Phil: Yeah, that's pretty… It's pretty unfortunate.
• 1:01:18
  Tad Eggleston: The reality is, EC survived, and most of them went out of business, because…
• 1:01:24
  Tad Eggleston: They couldn't sell their best-selling comics, and it turns out, their readers were discerning.
• 1:01:29
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. And the reason that they were getting their asses kicked beforehand,
• 1:01:36
  Tad Eggleston: had to do with EC making better comics, not just…
• 1:01:42
  Tyler Johnson: Not just pushing the envelope.
• 1:01:44
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:01:45
  Tad Eggleston: And again, like.
• 1:01:48
  Tad Eggleston: they all followed suit. It's not like the other publishers were unwilling to publish this sort of stuff. They were just doing it cheaper and not as good.
• 1:01:57
  Phil: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:01
  Tad Eggleston: Because EC… You see, didn't necessarily pay a ton-ton, but it paid well enough to… Commands.
• 1:02:15
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I mean, go look at those early mad magazines, and they're a ooze who.
• 1:02:24
  Tad Eggleston: Of, of, like, great artists.
• 1:02:27
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, for sure.
• 1:02:28
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, you look at…
• 1:02:32
  Tad Eggleston: early Marvel, and the number of them that, like, Kirby and Ditko hadn't worked for EC, but, like, Wally Wood was at early Marvel, Al Williamson was at early Marvel, John Severin, all of these guys were from the EC.
• 1:02:49
  Tad Eggleston: stable.
• 1:02:51
  Tad Eggleston: now.
• 1:02:52
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, so I really love these artist editions. EC Comics and color are cool, too, but color…
• 1:03:04
  Tad Eggleston: Color was primitive at the time, and they didn't really go out of their way, and, like, there's actually…
• 1:03:13
  Tad Eggleston: like, Chris Condon, I know, prefers the color reprints where the color looks very much like the old color, and those aren't available right now. The Dark Horse color reprints are remastered color, and.
• 1:03:27
  Phil: Hmm.
• 1:03:29
  Tad Eggleston: It looks like? Well, I mean, yes and no. I mean, it probably looks the same as it looked coming off the presses then.
• 1:03:37
  Phil: Hmm.
• 1:03:38
  Tad Eggleston: Or closer to how it looked coming off the presses then.
• 1:03:42
  Phil: I can believe closer, that's for sure.
• 1:03:44
  Tad Eggleston: But…
• 1:03:46
  Tad Eggleston: But it's on better… well, let me rephrase. It probably looks like it was supposed to look coming off the presses then.
• 1:03:55
  Tad Eggleston: But it's on better paper, and the ink is not as cheap, and…
• 1:04:01
  Tyler Johnson: Right, I was just gonna say, like, part of the problem with, like, Jack, Kamen's artwork is if with the stuff that had color on it, it takes away from his…
• 1:04:11
  Tyler Johnson: Boldness, I guess. Right. Because the colors back then were weak.
• 1:04:17
  Tyler Johnson: They weren't, you know?
• 1:04:19
  Tad Eggleston: And that's why Fanagraphics has decided to release in black and white.
• 1:04:24
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 1:04:25
  Tad Eggleston: Rather than to really emphasize the…
• 1:04:29
  Tad Eggleston: the line work, and again, this is just… it's a fantastic line from a historical standpoint, but it's also just so many great stories.
• 1:04:41
  Tad Eggleston: And I really encourage, I mean, right now, to be able to get it all for, what, 20 bucks?
• 1:04:51
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, $25 for 40 items is…
• 1:04:54
  Tyler Johnson: You have to.
• 1:04:55
  Phil: Yeah, that's a… that's a steal.
• 1:04:57
  Tad Eggleston: Absolutely a steal. But, I mean, I will absolutely say, if you find yourself loving some artist from the 50s, see if they worked at EC, and look into just the volume for them.
• 1:05:12
  Tad Eggleston: Yup.
• 1:05:14
  Tad Eggleston: Because… because they… they just really are…
• 1:05:19
  Tad Eggleston: Outstanding volumes, the essays are good.
• 1:05:23
  Tad Eggleston: give you kind of a picture of how things work. You know, I actually made… one of the reasons I was able to give more… more detail on Johnny Craig is I made the unusual-for-me decision to make certain that I read the essays, even if I didn't manage to get through all the comics, because I wanted to be able to.
• 1:05:42
  Phil: Okay.
• 1:05:43
  Tad Eggleston: flesh out You know, some of the… the stuff.
• 1:05:51
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no, I, I,
• 1:05:54
  Tad Eggleston: I'm certain that EC Comics will pop up more times on 22 panels, maybe we'll bring them back as a… as a…
• 1:06:02
  Tad Eggleston: Great responsibility, maybe, we've talked about book clubs with them.
• 1:06:08
  Tad Eggleston: a few times.
• 1:06:09
  Tad Eggleston: They pop up in the pulp plotter.
• 1:06:13
  Tad Eggleston: We've done 2 different volumes from here on the pulp blotter. We did on a…
• 1:06:18
  Tad Eggleston: the… the Kurtzman corpse on the Imgen, and we did the, My gun is the jury.
• 1:06:31
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah.
• 1:06:33
  Tad Eggleston: Any last EC thoughts?
• 1:06:36
  Tyler Johnson: Other than… I'm gonna keep reading it, because I love old EC stuff, it's very cool.
• 1:06:41
  Tad Eggleston: Meow.
• 1:06:42
  Tyler Johnson: And new EC stuff. The stuff they're doing with Oni is pretty sweet.
• 1:06:46
  Tad Eggleston: No, I have really appreciated, and I think I appreciate it more because I've read the old stuff, because I know, like, Phil talked about it, like.
• 1:06:58
  Tad Eggleston: There's a… there's a different… feeling.
• 1:07:02
  Tad Eggleston: To an anthology story.
• 1:07:04
  Tad Eggleston: Particularly in the later EC, where they were really strict on the page counts, you know, early…
• 1:07:11
  Tad Eggleston: Stage 1 EC, you know, they kind of floated between 4 and 12 pages.
• 1:07:19
  Tyler Johnson: Yup.
• 1:07:19
  Tad Eggleston: And Stage 2, it really became 8 pages, and that 8th page was supposed to have that EC twist.
• 1:07:27
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 1:07:27
  Tad Eggleston: Ma.
• 1:07:28
  Tad Eggleston: So, in a sense, there was a formula to it sometimes.
• 1:07:35
  Tad Eggleston: I know. Yet…
• 1:07:36
  Phil: it definitely worked better than others at times, and, like, I think part of it also is, like I was saying, just the… I mean, it was so influential, both at the time for inspiring the whole industry of copycats, and over time.
• 1:07:51
  Phil: Where people have held onto it and researched it and treasured it, that, like.
• 1:07:55
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:07:56
  Phil: Coming at it
• 1:07:58
  Phil: you know, with a modern perspective, is like, this doesn't go… this doesn't go far enough, doesn't go hard enough, you know?
• 1:08:05
  Tad Eggleston: But we're also just not used to… to reading…
• 1:08:10
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I'm so happy that anthologies have come back, because I.
• 1:08:13
  Phil: income.
• 1:08:14
  Tad Eggleston: Like, short stories can be great.
• 1:08:16
  Phil: Absolutely.
• 1:08:18
  Tad Eggleston: But… But most people our age aren't used to reading things that aren't… we're barely used to reading one-shots.
• 1:08:28
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:08:29
  Tad Eggleston: Much less a story that's supposed to be done.
• 1:08:33
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Less than an issue.
• 1:08:35
  Phil: Yes, and it's tough when there's something that, like, tickles my imagination that I'm like, I just want this to keep going.
• 1:08:43
  Tad Eggleston: Right. But it's, like, it's like…
• 1:08:46
  Phil: And they're like, well, we gotta wrap it up, guys, you know?
• 1:08:48
  Tad Eggleston: It's like… it's like comparing Dickens to Bradbury. Bradbury wrote short stories. Dickens very much did not.
• 1:08:55
  Phil: Right, right, that's true. And I mean, even then, it's… I… a lot of my experience with comic anthologies is, like, Dark Horse Presents, where you get a lot of, like, running stories, you know? Right. So, and there wasn't… there wasn't any of that here, either. Nope. So, so yeah, it was… it was a different experience.
• 1:09:15
  Tad Eggleston: Every EC story is a one-and-done…
• 1:09:20
  Phil: Alright.
• 1:09:20
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, which is… it's a very different experience. Even from a lot of the anthology stuff we know now. Yeah.
• 1:09:29
  Tad Eggleston: That it's, it's, it's never an installment, it's, it's a, this is the story.
• 1:09:34
  Phil: Yeah, if I had… if I had large swaths of unscheduled time, I could see myself
• 1:09:41
  Phil: Digging into the historical aspect of this, and really trying to analyze the…
• 1:09:47
  Phil: the whole field, I mean, this time, it was honestly, it was like…
• 1:09:51
  Phil: It was a small dip, just having, you know, reading some short stories from one… one.
• 1:09:57
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah?
• 1:09:58
  Phil: so, yeah.
• 1:10:03
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Three books I hope will be spectacular. First, I want to lead off with the one that comes out finally this week, and I got to talk to Durf recently, so there's a great interview up. The Dissidence is
• 1:10:18
  Tad Eggleston: Totally spectacular!
• 1:10:21
  Tad Eggleston: Babs Black Road South, number 5, and Afiosa, number 1, Garth Ennis and Jason Burroughs on Babs, and Gwila March on… on Afiosa are also spectacular, but… but the dissidence is… is…
• 1:10:36
  Tad Eggleston: In the driver's seat for my, my…
• 1:10:43
  Tad Eggleston: my non-fiction book of the year right now. So…
• 1:10:48
  Phil: what's that one about? The subject matter? The topic?
• 1:10:51
  Tad Eggleston: It's… well, and it's not quite a nonfiction book, because Durf does what he did with Trash, which is…
• 1:10:59
  Tad Eggleston: You know, he's got fiction set in a non-fiction world, so there's lots of history and well-researched stuff.
• 1:11:08
  Tad Eggleston: But there was a socialist newspaper in the teens called The Masses that had as many political cartoons as
• 1:11:20
  Tad Eggleston: anything else. I mean, it was… it was like a newspaper of political cartoons, to a certain extent.
• 1:11:26
  Tad Eggleston: And some really hard-hitting ones, so the dissidents is… Is the story of…
• 1:11:35
  Tad Eggleston: a character that wanted to be a political cartoonist, who got involved in the masses, but, like, what you then discover going through is that, like, now echoes the teens…
• 1:11:51
  Tad Eggleston: Way too well.
• 1:11:53
  Tad Eggleston: Woodrow Wilson was quite the tyrant. There was an awful lot of censorship going on.
• 1:12:00
  Tad Eggleston: Particularly as we were moving towards entering World War I.
• 1:12:06
  Phil: Gosh, yeah. I'm pretty sure Wilson…
• 1:12:11
  Tyler Johnson: Oh.
• 1:12:11
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:12:12
  Phil: Yeah, I think he was the one who,
• 1:12:17
  Phil: reframed the Civil War as being about states' rights, rather than being about slavery directly, I think?
• 1:12:23
  Tad Eggleston: He wasn't the one that did that. There were actually a couple books by a scholar. He certainly adopted that.
• 1:12:32
  Phil: Gotcha, okay.
• 1:12:33
  Tad Eggleston: He was also the one who resegregated the civil service.
• 1:12:38
  Phil: There we go. Okay, yep, I knew, I knew…
• 1:12:41
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 1:12:41
  Phil: I knew he didn't.
• 1:12:42
  Tad Eggleston: There, he also was instrumental in starting the League of Nations.
• 1:12:47
  Phil: Hmm.
• 1:12:48
  Tad Eggleston: But,
• 1:12:48
  Phil: Sounds, sounds more like a,
• 1:12:52
  Phil: Council of Doom, then a Justice League, to me.
• 1:12:55
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah…
• 1:12:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he was an interesting guy, and I learned a lot more. I mean, I already knew that he wasn't the…
• 1:13:06
  Tad Eggleston: Wasn't the character that he's often portrayed as…
• 1:13:09
  Phil: Yeah. He's no FDR.
• 1:13:11
  Tad Eggleston: But, yeah, no, there was certainly more to flesh that out here.
• 1:13:19
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, so… so the dissidents is a must-pick-up this week for everybody.
• 1:13:28
  Tad Eggleston: the… the other books that I'm…
• 1:13:30
  Tad Eggleston: Hoping will be spectacular, and frankly, expecting to be spectacular. Hab number 4 from Joshua Dysart and David Lapham, Dog Tag, number 5 from Mark Russell and P.J. Holden, and End of Life number 8 from Kyle Starks and Steve Pugh.
• 1:13:49
  Tad Eggleston: Phil.
• 1:13:51
  Tad Eggleston: Not sure that.
• 1:13:53
  Tad Eggleston: Tradeware graphic novel pick?
• 1:13:55
  Phil: That's gonna be the Into the Unbean Library Edition from Zach Thompson and Hayden Sherving over at Dark Horse that's coming out this week.
• 1:14:05
  Phil: I do believe, looks quite good. I think this week is also a new issue of Die? Die number…
• 1:14:13
  Tad Eggleston: It is?
• 1:14:14
  Phil: Your diet number 9?
• 1:14:15
  Tad Eggleston: 9?
• 1:14:16
  Phil: coming out, which I will unfortunately not be picking up, because I will be… I will be out of town, and so my issue will be waiting in my poll box.
• 1:14:24
  Tad Eggleston: You know, it's gonna be tough. It is a book with, with… with…
• 1:14:31
  Tyler Johnson: This is a book.
• 1:14:32
  Tad Eggleston: Two covers, so, like, you could pick up the other cover at any of the fine
• 1:14:40
  Tad Eggleston: Fine Portland comic stores.
• 1:14:42
  Phil: I'm… I am excited to visit…
• 1:14:44
  Phil: at least… at least one of those fine comic book stores, that's for sure. Try to do a couple of them, because I know there's.
• 1:14:50
  Tad Eggleston: That's what I'm just saying.
• 1:14:51
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:14:53
  Phil: Yeah, it might… I might need… I might… slap down those $4 twice.
• 1:14:58
  Tad Eggleston: Certainly.
• 1:14:59
  Phil: be worth it.
• 1:14:59
  Tad Eggleston: It is an option, is all I'm saying.
• 1:15:03
  Phil: Tempt me with a good time, Tad, please.
• 1:15:06
  Tad Eggleston: That's right!
• 1:15:11
  Tyler Johnson: Awesome.
• 1:15:12
  Tyler Johnson: Well, guys, anything else for the good of the order?
• 1:15:16
  Tad Eggleston: Huh? Thank you.
• 1:15:17
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, well, I'll take us outta here. Thanks for listening, you guys. Tad, what episode is this? We better should say that.
• 1:15:25
  Tad Eggleston: One, two.
• 1:15:26
  Phil: 253!
• 1:15:28
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:15:29
  Tyler Johnson: Number 253 in the bag. Thanks for listening, everybody, and we will catch you guys after the next page.
• 1:15:37
  Tyler Johnson: Later!
• 1:15:38
  Phil: See you!
• 1:15:39
  Tyler Johnson: Peace?