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Smokey Standby - Leaving Christianity · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  He walks in quiet eyes like fire.
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  Where's conviction? Like a Sunday choir got a Bible
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  beating under his coat and a holy war ready in his throne.
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  Not here for the feel good show or the watered down sermon with
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  a boat. He'll say it straight, even if
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  it burns his real repenting stone.
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  Take turns. He ain't soft, but he's not
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  cruel, just allergic to plastic. Crazy rules.
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  If you want truth, he'll speak it plain, and if you don't,
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  he'll walk away walking right. He don't need fame, he don't
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  need hype. Truth in his Long's word in his
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  face Never took Jesus in vain. What he say slow.
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  The ghost preaches life, but he knows the 'cause you can't find
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  grace with lazy sin. Not on the road that he walks
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  in. He's got story, sure, banana
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  sail, and he's wrestled long enough with hell.
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  He's not looking for applause or claspers, he's looking for souls
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  that don't collapse. He'll sit with the moth, call
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  out the faith. He'll pray for wolves but still
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  guard the gate. Got hands that bliss and hands
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  that fight depending on what's wrong or right.
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  He won't be to please a crowd. Won't trade that cross for
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  something loud. He knows the 'cause he knows the
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  pain, but he knows who breaks the chain.
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  He Smokey saves walking right? Where's the scars but not the
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  pride. Says the word cuts deep for a
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  reason and grace ain't grace if you're still scheming.
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  Smoky same soft and flame. He ain't here to play the game.
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  You can't fake fake just cause it's nice.
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  Not with the blood of Jesus Christ.
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  He's seen preachers preach without a spine, seen folks
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  dance while souls flat line. But Smokey don't sing for gold
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  or gain. He sings like judgements.
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  Still on the train, Smokey say, walking right with a whisper
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  that shames the night. Truth ain't cruel when it's born
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  in love, But it don't come soft, It don't come shoved smoke it
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  saved, tried and true. He don't save, but upon you
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  through grace is free air, but not cheap.
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  You sow in truth or you sow in sleep.
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  If you ever meet him, don't mistake the quiet for tame.
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  He's got fire and it no quiet for change.
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  Me. Hello.
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  Hello, everyone. Good morning.
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  Good evening. Wherever you're coming from,
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  Smokey St. here for another standby mode here.
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  Got a good number of people tuning in for this one.
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  Get some attention. What do we think, right?
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  Is it just a troll? Is it just a lie?
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  Is it just a gimmick? Is it a skit?
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  What is it? Well, I guess throughout this
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  we're going to find out, aren't we?
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  If you guys will bear with the time to sift through it, right?
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  After all, what happens when you ask someone like Jordan Peterson
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  whether or not he believes there's a God?
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  Maybe it's more complex than most of you.
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  You can't even fucking wrap your heads around.
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  You know, there's, you know, the thing I've mentioned a few times
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  to people? You know, there's problems with
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  defeating all aspects of the plausible deniability of
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  Christianity. I have come across some in my
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  own walk being a somewhat deep thinker, you know, I've come
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  across things that even at periods of time in my life I've
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  struggled with. And you know, I've, I've found
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  it interesting. I have so many of these really
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  worthless, really useless, really ineffective subhuman
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  cockroach people that are roaming around pointing their
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  little rat fingers at everyone and saying you're at fault,
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  you're at fault, you're not doing enough, you should do
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  this, you should run it this way, you should set it up this
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  way, blah blah blah blah blah. You know, The funny thing that
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  just about all of them seem to have in common is that they're
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  basically just entirely fucking worthless.
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  Just absolutely ineffective, lazy, don't really accomplish
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  anything for themselves, for those immediately around them,
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  and certainly not for any grander, grander cause or
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  defense of faith or anything like that.
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  But they got all the opinions in the world of the people that are
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  effective, that are actually doing something to try and push
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  for some higher moral prerogative.
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  Good morning. I'm fro would relate to this as
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  it's come up in conversations a couple times.
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  I think what I'm going to do, because this of course is also
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  standby mode, I'm going to pull up basically the interaction
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  didn't happen last night, but the night before, which kind of
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  put me in a certain space, I guess.
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  And you know, I went to golfing yesterday.
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  It was a beautiful day. It was high 80s, warm, but a
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  cool breeze. And there was a gentleman there
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  who was a new golfer, very new, hadn't really played more than
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  1/2 a dozen times, but really had the etch discovered this in
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  his early 30s and now just really, really loves being on
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  the course and playing. But, well, you know, hasn't
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  really had anyone to teach him, you know, other than a few
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  YouTube videos. And his previous interaction was
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  at a different golf course. And when he got there at the tee
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  box, he was put as a single with another single.
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  And this gentleman, the new guy, the newbie, you know, ask this,
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  this other guy that he was put up with, you know, like, hey,
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  you know, do you want me to I'm kind of new.
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  Do you want me to just golf on my own, you know, type thing?
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  I don't want to drag you down or, you know, slow you down or
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  anything like that. You know, do you want to go
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  ahead of me? It was a very nice guy.
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  And so, well, the older gentleman said, we'll go ahead
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  and take your first shot and we'll see.
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  And so the newbie went and took his first shot and it was
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  terrible. And which of course, I mean,
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  first shot of the day, I mean, come on.
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  I mean, you know, a good chance is probably going to be
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  terrible. You haven't done any warming up
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  or, you know, you haven't gone to the range first or something.
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  Probably the first shot of the day, you know, count that ball
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  lost, forget about it. But takes the first shot and
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  then apparently tells this newbie guy, hey, I don't want,
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  you know, you know, no, it's good.
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  I'm going to go ahead of you. Go ahead and play on your own.
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  I don't even want to, you know, work with the guy or just enjoy
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  the day or something out there to take it all, you know,
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  seriously like that. Like he's got some sort of
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  schedule to keep, you know, playing golf in the middle in
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  the morning on a weekday, you know, But I didn't have that
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  approach to him. He did basically the same thing
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  to me. He approached me, the T boxer,
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  both singles got there around the same time and asked
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  essentially the same question. And I gave him the same
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  challenge. I said go ahead, you know, take
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  your first shot and see how it goes, you know, and he hit it,
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  you know, wasn't great form is just awful.
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  It looked like he was swinging a baseball bat.
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  In fact, I asked him if he had played baseball before.
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  He said yes. So I said you're gonna have to
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  reprogram your brain. You can't be hitting a golf ball
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  like a baseball. You can't be having a stance
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  like that. You can't be shifting your
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  weight so much. You know, you're gonna lose all
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  your accuracy. So I didn't just send him on his
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  way or say no, I'll move ahead. You're gonna slow me down.
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  No, I I said, you know what? We're just gonna play together,
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  and I'm gonna give you some pointers and I'm gonna, you
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  know, tell you what I know, you know, And as a golfer for the
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  better part of over 20 years, I know there's things I'll learn
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  that kind of work. And then I find something
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  better. And I let the old thing go, and
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  I adopt this new thing and adjust a little bit, and I
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  eventually kind of learn what works for me.
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  So each one of these people has some sort of, you know, lesson
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  to impart to you, some which will work, some which
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  necessarily won't. Depends about height, weight,
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  you know, swing strength, all that stuff.
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  But we had a really, really nice afternoon, 3 to 4 hours just
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  playing golf and enjoying the weather outside.
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  And you know, I thought to myself, I said, you know, I
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  wonder, I wonder if I should mention Christ the man.
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  I didn't know what his religious position was and I certainly
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  didn't ask. I thought to myself, so you
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  know, should I share Christ with this man?
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  Should I talk to him about Christianity, You know, the type
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  of thing that I do so regularly in so many venues here and in
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  the outside world or, you know, seeing someone in distress or,
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  you know, saying God bless them or asking them if they need help
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  or, you know this, you know, whatever happens to happen in my
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  universe or in my surrounds, looking for the opportunity to
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  apply Christian virtue and evangelism.
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  But I didn't actually feel that pressure yesterday.
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  And in fact, I end up having a thought.
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  And I thought to myself, you know what?
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  I could mention Jesus to him. I could turn, you know, what is
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  just a day of golf and hanging out and giving him pointers and
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  stuff and turn it into some sort of, you know, attempt to verify
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  where he's at in terms of his faith or his belief and attempt
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  to be the one to evangelize and save his soul.
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  And I thought about myself, well, maybe I should mention
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  Jesus. And then I stopped myself.
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  I said no, actually, I'd rather have a nice day.
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  That's where my thought went, which I mentioned Jesus, no, I'd
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  rather have a nice day. You know, I, I find myself
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  strained sometimes on the topic. Honestly, I even need a break.
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  I need a break from it. And aside from that, since all
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  this spider bullshit happened and all these immoral,
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  unrighteous judges emerge themselves in the environment to
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  point their finger everywhere except exactly where the fuck it
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  belonged, I have been strained even further.
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  Now they're all telling me that, you know, in some sort of
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  roundabout way, it's, you know, Ryan's fault, it's my fault.
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  It's Dave's fault. It's, you know, it could be
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  Spider's fault. They don't want, they don't want
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  to talk about how Spider's fault that much.
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  You know, Brandon Irish, let's go around and talk about it's,
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  you know, everyone else's fault. Oh, oh, fucking Rye and all of
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  this. Well, I'm glad Ryan did what he
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  did and I'm glad Spider's in jail because frankly, someone
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  like that, he belongs there. And I've invited many of you to
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  pitch your case and try and defend it.
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  The ones that have showed up have just done the absolute most
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  piss poor job of taking any position.
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  I mean, you can tell I, I'm amazed that you guys can't tell
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  that when you come in and are trying to pass around this blame
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  or defend Spider, you know, getting finally what's coming to
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  him after many, many, many offenses never getting answered
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  for. Had the cops called them on on
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  them or anything and then finally there's one offense that
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  he does where he fucked around just a little too much and they
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  finally found out. What do you want to do?
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  It's everyone else's fault and fuck everyone for making this
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  happen or anyone play a part in it.
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  You've exasperated me. Well if you guys want to point
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  your fingers all over the place for the spider bullshit then you
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  can all point your fingers at each other.
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  For me, being done with Christianity, I don't want
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  anything to do with any type of connective label or title or
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  anything with you fucking cunts. I don't want it, I reject it.
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  It is detestable to me. It leaves a bad taste in my
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  mouth. Now I know what Christian means,
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  at least in some sort of historical context.
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  But the thing about words is they don't always keep their
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  meaning, you know, words of all the time.
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  They take on more definitions or wider definitions or more narrow
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  definitions. And and the the term of
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  Christian has gotten so broad that I don't want to be
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  associated with it anymore. I will argue for what makes
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  sense is what it's going to be. I want nothing to do with you
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  fucking people that carry this label in terms of any type of
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  synergy of label with you. I'll still talk to you.
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  I'll still be friendly. I don't haven't interested in
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  being cruel or anything like that or treacherous.
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  That's not my that's not my intent.
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  That's not my heart. But fuck the label.
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  I don't want any internal association with the ones that
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  carry that label. I'm done with it.
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  I'm sick of you. I'm sick of channel after
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  channel after channel of irreverent, uneducated,
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  unlearned, screaming toddlers just trying to validate their
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  own flavor of bullshit. I'm exhausted by it, truthfully
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  and frankly. Look at the state of the
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  community, of course. More debates.
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  Of course I love you. You know that we've been I've
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  been friends for a long time, buddy.
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  Of course, absolutely. Good to see you.
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  By the way. More debates.
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  It's been a while. Thank you for popping in.
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  So I'm not going to defend Christianity anymore.
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  And you know, for all these fucking people out there where
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  you've all been like, Oh, well, you know, Smokey sucks or he's
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  boring or he's not doing a good job or he misses that or, or
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  yeah, or calling me Talmud or something.
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  Never once mentioned or taught out of the Talmud.
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  Not once in my entire YouTube career.
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  But they're going to call me a Talmud, baby.
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  I don't know what the fuck they think that's about or how they
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  think that's verified. But not one of those cockroaches
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  where we'll come in the room and actually argue for it and defend
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  it. You think?
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  You think maybe I'm atheist to all your fucking gods?
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  Maybe. Maybe I'm atheist to all gods
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  except the God that I believe in that is supported throughout
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  Christian history. Or maybe I don't even believe in
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  that God anymore. Maybe I've rethunk some of those
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  really powerful and damaging atheistic arguments that I used
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  to tread around with. You know, maybe I rethought some
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  of these arguments and views for the plausible deniability of
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  Christianity and decided to latch back on to them.
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  I took me a hot minute to defeat them.
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  Things that I haven't really even shared on these channels,
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  plus my defeaters, be found insufficient to the problems
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  that are presented and potentially shipwreck someone's
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  faith. But why would I really actually
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  give a fuck about that? Now?
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  I don't think most of you are in the faith anyway.
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  I don't really give a shit, you know what you decide to believe,
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  or what you think is right, or what epistemology you've done to
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  do it. You all want to be fucking
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  islands, you know, You all want to be out here in this space
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  claiming you got it right better than others.
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  I mean, you want to send people to hell over it and you want to,
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  you know, create these weird, nonsensical, fringe heretical
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  standards for everyone to abide by.
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  You want to ignore arguments? You want to ignore evidence?
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  You want to ignore history? You want to ignore scholarship?
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  You want to ignore the brothers in Christ?
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  What is this? Where is the Church of Christ?
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  Can anyone tell me where the fuck is it?
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  Do you see it? Or is it?
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  I don't see it. You know what, I should play for
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  you. I should just play for you.
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  Some of the stuff that happened the other night, no one was
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  really watching it. So I'm a Free Grace channel.
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  I don't think many people were watching.
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  It was late at night. I get it, You know, most people
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  were sleeping. It's not that the channel isn't
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  well known, but I don't know what the fuck I believe now at
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  this point, you know, if all of you can do it so much better and
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  you got all this criticism for me, why don't you fucking do it
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  then? Why don't I give you all these
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  arguments and all these perceptions and observations you
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  know that I had to struggle with that are big stumbling blocks.
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  Let's see how you fucking handle it.
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  Who thinks they could debate or take on atheist Smokey?
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  You don't want me as part of it, right?
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  Don't all you fucking Christians want to, you know, you suppose
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  that followers of Christ don't you want to go around the
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  Internet and try to deplatform me, keep me from having debates,
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  keep people from hosting me on their channels, keep me from
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  talking? And that you serve Christ, but
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  you want to keep me silent? Someone to rise up and want to
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  defend the faith and defend the virtues of Christianity and
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  defend the world? What virtue am I defending?
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  What fucking virtue do you fucking people show that I can
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  point to and say, Yep, look at this worldview, look at what it
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  does? This is worth defending.
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  No, you're all a fucking mess and you don't like it.
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  You can fuck off. Unsubscribe, get the fuck out of
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  here. I don't care.
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  You know, none of you have any actual love or concern or
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  consideration over this anyway. None of you do.
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  None of you give a shit. All of you.
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  You know, you fucking Christians, you know, really,
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  you're just the same as the atheists really are.
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  You did. You don't actually want to be
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  virtuous, you just want to look like you are.
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  You don't give a fuck about what's right or wrong.
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  You don't. You just.
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  You just want other people to look at you and think you're
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  virtuous and you say the craziest dumb shit all the time
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  and you won't listen to anyone. You get to someone who's studied
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  10 times as you since before you were born and you'll still in
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  your pride and arrogance like the Holy Spirit's just told you
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  better when it makes no sense. And even when it's challenged,
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  even when it's put in front of you, still makes no sense.
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  Where is the Holy Spirit? Can any of you demonstrate them?
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  You know, I heard from Charlie Michaels and I'm supposed to, I
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  don't know, speak in tongues or have some sort of spiritual
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  bastism experience where I I do some sort of sign or wonder in
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  order to think I'm saved, something like that.
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  Well, where is Charlie's Holy Spirit to inspire him to not be
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  a loud clown that keeps people from talking and can't possibly
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  engage like an adult? How is Charlie, Michael's Holy
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  Spirit so powerful and manifesting and made him one of
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  the most ineffective communicators in the entire
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  community? Even that man who I respect who
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  taught me things, Where is that Holy Spirit?
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  Is it in any of you? Is it in Isaac who contradicts
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  himself every other time? Is it with Bob who makes fun of
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  everyone and tries to stir the shit pot non-stop?
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  Is it with the pod team who I have just, you know, decided to
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  forgive and make peace with after fucking years of calling
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  me the most heinous shit possible?
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  Willing to let it go? Willing to apologize to Bill?
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  Willing to let that go? Willing to deal with things with
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  Andy, Willing to let that go? Do I ever get credit for any of
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  this shit? No, no, I'm just staying as a
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  spiteful, hateful asshole by the very people that claim to have
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  the Holy Spirit and are inspired by them.
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  Really, where can any of demonstrate it?
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  Can any of you be consistent or reasonable with each other to
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  demonstrate any semblance a spiritual presence in this whole
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  fucking community? Can you?
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  You know I stopped arguing with the atheist when I found out
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  what a mess our house was. You know that's why I started,
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  right? It's about a year.
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  I was just debating nothing but atheists.
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  That's all I did. The link is in the side chat by
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  the way. I'll post up.
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  I'm not letting anyone in this second.
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  I'm going to talk for a bit and you don't like it again, get the
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  fuck out. I'm going to talk for a bit.
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  You don't want to listen. You don't need to be here.
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  It's not for you then. So no, I am done with
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  Christianity. I don't know about being done
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  with a Christian God. Yeah, I'm actually searching
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  that out right now. I know I'm atheist.
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  All your fucking gods. I know that much.
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  I don't believe in your gods. I'm going to search this out
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  myself. Why don't you guys pray?
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  Let's see if one of your gods will answer about this since all
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  of you think you can do it. You know so much better than me
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  where you just want to try and tear me down and keep me from
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  being able to communicate or get debates.
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  Well then, then you do it right. Maybe I just become one of the
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  most potently anti Christian atheists any of you fucks I've
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  ever seen in your whole fucking life.
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  Deconstruction zone times 10. Maybe I just do that.
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  Maybe I give you all those arguments that I myself
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  struggled with and watch all you retards flail around in the wind
• 25:31
  trying to solve it. How about that?
• 25:39
  No, you can do it better, right? If I just start adopting this
• 25:45
  and start dragging all the shit back up again, you going to be
• 25:47
  able to think about it and reconcile it the way that I did.
• 25:50
  You want to find out where is the Christian God, if he exists?
• 26:01
  Is this really, this is really the environment, the supposed,
• 26:04
  you know, work of the Holy Spirit?
• 26:07
  This, all this was intended to happen.
• 26:12
  All of this is within the realm of sovereignty.
• 26:17
  Any big bold Christian apologist out there willing to explain
• 26:22
  that to me? Where are all of you, right?
• 26:29
  Where are the Shamoonians and the Albrechts and the Berean
• 26:33
  apologetics and the Protestants and the Lutherans and the
• 26:37
  Mormons and the job as well? Where are they to give a shit?
• 26:42
  Where are any of you? None of you care, really.
• 26:46
  Ultimately, at the end of the day, none of you do care.
• 26:48
  You just want people to think you're virtuous and you can
• 26:52
  pretend to care a little bit but let's be real, you don't care
• 26:57
  and why would I want to help or be on your side when all you
• 27:01
  fucks want to do is constantly just throw me to the fucking
• 27:05
  wolves? Why would I want anything to do
• 27:10
  with you God damn people? Why would I want anything to do
• 27:13
  with your God? I got so many knives sticking
• 27:18
  out of my back, I might as well be a fucking porcupine.
• 27:22
  I mean, it's ridiculous. Years and years and years of
• 27:25
  this shit and always feeling that inclination like, well, you
• 27:29
  got to forgive. You got to forgive, You got to
• 27:31
  let go. And it just takes a chip out of
• 27:34
  you every single time. Bible don't tell you about that,
• 27:36
  does it? Yeah.
• 27:39
  It takes a chip out of you every single time.
• 27:41
  And then eventually you got chipped down so far there's just
• 27:46
  really not a lot left. And it's you fucking Christians
• 27:50
  that can now start pointing your fingers.
• 27:51
  Oh, you love to point fingers, don't you?
• 27:53
  Well, start pointing fingers at yourself.
• 27:56
  Who's who's to blame for Smokey saying fuck Christianity?
• 28:04
  Now you can start pointing your fingers at each other over this.
• 28:08
  Which one of you pressed the right buttons?
• 28:11
  Is it all the young earth people making their weird nonsensical
• 28:16
  anti science horseshit salvific and condemning people to hell
• 28:21
  for not believing it? Is it the shitty pastors that I
• 28:27
  had growing up that taught me dumb garbage?
• 28:32
  Is it the treacherous rodents in this environment who constantly
• 28:36
  stab people in the back and parade around like they're
• 28:38
  righteous? The traitors, the liars, the
• 28:43
  deviants, the deniers of Christ and the gospel and, well, fuck
• 28:49
  it, right? What is even the point?
• 28:52
  Where is this Jesus in this space?
• 28:55
  Where is he? Maybe he's in Isaac, because
• 28:58
  apparently all three are in Isaac, Godfather and Holy
• 29:01
  Spirit. No Bible verse for that.
• 29:03
  That's just some made-up dumb bullshit.
• 29:05
  But he's got all three of them in there.
• 29:09
  There's no morals in the Bible, Isaac said it.
• 29:13
  Holy Spirit led him to say it must be true.
• 29:15
  You want to see the part the other day before I should pull
• 29:21
  it up, right? Why not?
• 29:24
  You guys want to see Isaac say hey, I just finally felt the
• 29:28
  Holy Spirit in the last couple days because I've accepted free
• 29:33
  grace. Isaac proclaims.
• 29:37
  OK, well then what fucking spirit would you judge in me by
• 29:40
  a week ago if you only just got the Holy Spirit, Isaac, you
• 29:43
  fucking idiot. And yeah you are a fucking idiot
• 29:48
  and you are a liar and you just make whatever shit up in your
• 29:52
  head. You just let things fall out of
• 29:54
  your fucking retard mouth and then you act like it's inspired.
• 30:02
  Fuck Isaacs. Jesus fuck that guy.
• 30:06
  That guy's a fucking idiot and he gave this dumb rodent enough
• 30:12
  arrogance to think that his dumb shit is reasonable and valid.
• 30:22
  Dude, you do realize you're a Protestant too?
• 30:25
  Unless you belong to Orthodox or you belong to Catholicism,
• 30:30
  you're inside Protestantism. We all fucking are, except for
• 30:33
  me. No, no, no, I'm not going to be
• 30:38
  with you fucks anymore. No I'm not.
• 30:45
  No, I don't want to share a label with you.
• 30:47
  I don't want to defend your God. I don't even know if I want to
• 30:54
  defend my God. I'm sick of you fucking people,
• 31:00
  really. And it never stops.
• 31:02
  You will just needle away with bullshit and then run away
• 31:07
  showing what you're you serve a coward.
• 31:09
  God, I can't fill anyone with boldness to back up the dumb
• 31:12
  shit they say. Oh, this would make you happy.
• 31:16
  Wouldn't. Wouldn't that make Bob happy?
• 31:17
  Thicky happy, Bill happy. Thank God Smokey is leaving
• 31:22
  Christianity, right? Wouldn't that be basically the
• 31:25
  position that they would take? Yeah.
• 31:29
  I don't want anything to do with your ideology, with your faith.
• 31:38
  No, not anymore, no. And really, this was a great eye
• 31:43
  opening experience for me. Really, all of this shit within
• 31:48
  the last week, I'd really had to make me question what, how is it
• 31:54
  that I could? And this does bring me back to
• 31:57
  the beginning of my channel because I did argue with
• 31:59
  atheists. You know why I stopped?
• 32:00
  Because our house was such a mess.
• 32:02
  That's really why I stopped. I wanted to try and clean up our
• 32:04
  own house and I just watch more people come in and make it mess
• 32:09
  here and mess here. Why would I want to bring
• 32:10
  anyone? Why would I want to convince
• 32:12
  anyone to come over to this fucking horseshit over here?
• 32:17
  Why what? What benefit would there be for
• 32:21
  me to go and argue with the atheists and try and get them to
• 32:26
  come over here? What?
• 32:27
  What am I bringing them to? A bunch of backstabbing,
• 32:32
  immoral, retarded hypocrites? That's come on over, guys.
• 32:39
  It's miserable and people are awful, but come on over.
• 32:44
  Yeah, I stand for Christian ethics, and I say that people
• 32:47
  that live by Christian ethics definitely are better and
• 32:51
  happier, but come on over to the side where no one practices the
• 32:56
  shit we're supposed to do Fucking use is that I don't know
• 33:06
  what I want to argue. I don't know what I want to talk
• 33:08
  about. Amen to that.
• 33:15
  Thank you, Eastgate. Couldn't agree more.
• 33:18
  Couldn't agree more. Look at them just not making
• 33:22
  sense, contradicting themselves and then claiming to speak of
• 33:25
  the Spirit of God saying ridiculous things.
• 33:32
  But you know what, this is the type.
• 33:36
  Let me let me just tell you guys this, this, this is the kind of
• 33:39
  person, this is the kind of person that I, I am supposed to,
• 33:47
  According to him, submit to. Let me look here for a second.
• 33:59
  Isaac believes that he has the Holy Spirit more potent than
• 34:01
  just about any anyone that I've seen in the community.
• 34:07
  He does not have the ability to even listen to how perverse and
• 34:13
  disgusting and immoral he is. And also, he just really
• 34:20
  honestly has no fucking clue what he's even talking about
• 34:24
  most of the time. Promise.
• 34:29
  How? OK, that's not it.
• 34:32
  No, I just have to read it to you.
• 34:33
  This is actually worth worth going back for if I can find it.
• 34:46
  I hate Discord sometimes. OK, yeah.
• 34:49
  Here's Isaac. Here's Isaac, ladies and
• 34:52
  gentlemen. And I quote.
• 34:54
  I quote, OK, this is what he put in discord responding to
• 34:58
  something that the dude says. He says, and this is the man
• 35:01
  we're all supposed to listen to and take our theology from who
• 35:05
  is truly inspired by the Holy Spirit.
• 35:07
  He says he's the one that is supposed to guide all of us to
• 35:13
  the truth. And this is what he says.
• 35:15
  The Bible says that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood,
• 35:20
  but a Prince and policies of high places.
• 35:29
  Let me read it again. The Bible says that we do not
• 35:34
  wrestle against flesh and blood, but a Prince and policies of
• 35:41
  higher places. Fuck me, right?
• 35:57
  And you can't be honest with Isaac, you know, good for you
• 36:00
  guys. By the way, I guess being nice
• 36:05
  with Isaac, that's really all he needed to come on over to Free
• 36:07
  Grace. And he's had some epiphany where
• 36:10
  he's just now about the Holy Spirit, but didn't have it
• 36:12
  before this, mind you, but was judging me by the thing he
• 36:14
  didn't have before the last couple of days where he adopted
• 36:17
  Free Grace. OK, Is this the Holy Spirit?
• 36:22
  Who here is going to defend? I dare anyone.
• 36:25
  Is anyone going to defend Isaac over the last week, speaking in
• 36:31
  only the Holy Spirit and righteousness?
• 36:34
  Anyone. I dare anyone, anyone at all,
• 36:38
  any one person that would dare come in here or in any way try
• 36:44
  to defend Isaac over the last week.
• 36:56
  It's not about that buckle. It's not about, I mean, Isaac.
• 37:00
  Isaac is a tiny little flea standing on top of the final
• 37:04
  straw that broke the camel's back.
• 37:10
  I I'm disgusted with the title. Words don't word, definitions of
• 37:14
  words change. And right now Christian means
• 37:17
  whoever the hell identifies that it as it.
• 37:19
  And I just won't. I'm just not going to have it.
• 37:21
  I'm just not going to have that apply to me anymore and I'm not
• 37:25
  going to argue to try and bring people onto your side.
• 37:29
  Our side. Well, we don't have an our side.
• 37:31
  There is no our side anymore. There's your side.
• 37:33
  You, you guys over there. You you do you think you can do
• 37:36
  it better than me? Then get out of it.
• 37:37
  OK, You got all you got all the fucking opinions in the world.
• 37:40
  You want to do everything you can to keep me from debating and
• 37:42
  de platforming me and keeping me silent.
• 37:44
  OK, well then you do it And, and how about you deal with some of
• 37:48
  the extra really, really rough anti theist, anti Christian
• 37:53
  arguments that I can add to the mix, things that I've considered
• 37:55
  for the better part of 30 years. And let's see how you guys
• 37:58
  handle it right. You can all do it better than
• 38:01
  me. No respect for my talents or
• 38:04
  what I'm doing at all anyway. Where is that work of the Holy
• 38:08
  Spirit to encourage and strengthen in the body of Christ
• 38:13
  with fellow believers? You're all just a bunch of
• 38:14
  backstabbing sycophantic pieces of shit, and I don't need to
• 38:19
  carry a label with you. I don't want it, I don't want
• 38:22
  it. Nothing to do with it.
• 38:26
  A label that's going to accept all this horseshit?
• 38:30
  No, I'll pass. I at least can maintain some
• 38:34
  level of virtue and some of this, even if the rest of you
• 38:39
  can't. So I don't know which of you is
• 38:46
  going to rise up to try and get me back on track and save my
• 38:49
  soul. You know, when praise went to
• 38:53
  Unitarianism that time many, many years ago, remember like
• 38:58
  the first day and everyone wanted to show up and argue with
• 39:00
  them and try to get them back on track.
• 39:03
  And Beckel and Jill and Standing for Truth and everyone wanted to
• 39:06
  show up and argue with them kind of the first day, maybe the
• 39:08
  first couple days. And then everyone wrote them
• 39:10
  off. So it's just praise, you know,
• 39:11
  let it go. Whatever you guys gave up, all
• 39:15
  of you gave up. Essentially.
• 39:18
  I was the only one that didn't. And I kept fighting because I
• 39:23
  didn't want praise to be lost to a potentially bad spiritually
• 39:28
  bankrupting doctrine. I kept at it and granted there
• 39:33
  was support for me, but you guys just let me take it as the
• 39:36
  brunt. You put me out there.
• 39:39
  You used me as the tip of the spear and I took on praise for
• 39:42
  it and praise God. Praise came back to
• 39:44
  Trinitarianism and it stayed there ever since.
• 39:48
  I think maybe there was 1 hiccup for a minute, but nonetheless he
• 39:51
  stayed consistent on that. Has been there ever since.
• 39:58
  You all were willing to put a minimal amount of effort.
• 40:00
  I went after praise as if he was drowning out in the middle of
• 40:04
  the ocean and I jumped off the boat and just swam after him.
• 40:08
  Regardless of any things, I didn't want praise to be lost.
• 40:29
  After about another year or so, praise and I being good, Him
• 40:31
  certainly even being conditionalist with me, I
• 40:33
  remember us sitting in Discord and even making fun of standing
• 40:37
  for truths. You know, his PowerPoint, his
• 40:41
  overly used PowerPoint that he does.
• 40:43
  And I remember stuff like that. And then and then it was back
• 40:48
  and forth, I guess. Well, even during that year it
• 40:51
  was kind of back and forth, you know, years of calling me
• 40:59
  heinous things then too on top of that.
• 41:01
  And I let it go and I won't forgive it.
• 41:06
  I only bring it up now is a point in the matter that it's
• 41:09
  all just this is all just part of it.
• 41:10
  You know, I don't want your God, your your God, all of you out
• 41:15
  there who you serve. I I don't want them.
• 41:18
  I'm sick of it. I am I'm sick of it.
• 41:21
  I'm exhausted. The just prolific, a lack of
• 41:28
  compassing to even figure out the basics of Christian virtue,
• 41:33
  vice ethics, and what is moral and not moral.
• 41:35
  No, I got fucking people like Isaac over here coming in
• 41:39
  claiming to be led by the Holy Spirit, saying there's no morals
• 41:41
  in the Bible. That's what I get.
• 41:43
  That's what I get for That's what I get in Christianity,
• 41:45
  that's what I get. What am I supposed to do?
• 41:49
  Accept him as a brother? Doesn't listen to anything I
• 41:53
  said from the beginning. Tried to exhort him.
• 41:55
  Try to do it gently, try to do it more firmly.
• 41:58
  Don't listen. And then will claim to be led by
• 42:00
  the Holy Spirit. Why in the Holy Spirit lead him
• 42:01
  to listen to any of these things that would have been good for
• 42:04
  him, but he's got the Holy Spirit, not a Holy Spirit that
• 42:06
  would lead him to, you know, get a job and provide for his wife.
• 42:10
  You know, not that one, some other one.
• 42:13
  But apparently it's just as valid, right?
• 42:14
  It's just as valid, valid for everyone else, isn't it?
• 42:24
  Any of you folks want to come in and try and save my soul today?
• 42:27
  What do you think? Well, you're going to have to
• 42:28
  wait. You're going to have to wait.
• 42:30
  And you know what? We're going to go on My Time
• 42:31
  today and you're just going to like it or you can piss off.
• 42:35
  We're going to go on My Time today.
• 42:37
  We're going to do it the way I feel like I want to do it.
• 42:40
  What is the Free Grace? Is it the Free Grace Network?
• 42:43
  What's it called? Praise Free Grace.
• 42:45
  What is that new channel you guys opened?
• 42:49
  Free Grace? Is it community?
• 42:51
  I think it is Community. Yep, that's it.
• 43:01
  Oh, they took. Oh, they hid the video.
• 43:02
  OK. Or they unlisted it one or the
• 43:07
  other fro and saved it fro. Oh, live.
• 43:12
  Oh, there it is. Yep, that's what it is.
• 43:14
  Thank you. I'm sorry.
• 43:15
  I got it. Never mind.
• 43:16
  I got it. There's a there's a part of this
• 43:21
  that's willing to. Why is it orientated?
• 43:24
  Is it because I got this? Oh, OK.
• 43:25
  Yep, that's why. All right, there's a part of
• 43:29
  this and I'm just going to bring it up and probably let it play
• 43:31
  too it it's about the time that fro comes in here.
• 43:38
  This is probably a reasonable good place to to start.
• 43:41
  I guess I'll increase the speed a little bit.
• 43:46
  Quality shit. I know what am I doing here?
• 43:50
  Hold on, Playback speed probably 1.5 is probably good.
• 44:00
  And yes, for all of your moral posturing and stuff to thank you
• 44:04
  for your truly profound and wonderful evil.
• 44:08
  Specifically out to Isaac, Mac and cheese, new me, and Spider,
• 44:12
  all of the same demonic spirit. To shame my wife.
• 44:15
  To us not even wanting to post pictures on the Internet of any
• 44:19
  kind because apparently you fucking deviant pieces of
• 44:22
  subhuman immoral shit, we'll just shame no matter what is put
• 44:27
  up there out of your complete and utter lack of any semblance
• 44:31
  of self-control. That's why we can't have nice
• 44:33
  things, because there's too many horrible people.
• 44:37
  So FRO comes in here at this point, although God, that's a
• 44:42
  long time. I don't know if I want to play
• 44:43
  all of that. Bear with me.
• 44:46
  There's a point kind of right before FRO ends up leaving here.
• 44:50
  Let me get into this. I think fro left and came back a
• 44:56
  little bit. Yeah, this is about right.
• 44:59
  Yeah. Fro, I was about to leave here.
• 45:02
  I think this is this is probably a reasonable moment to start it.
• 45:06
  I don't know how long I'm going to let it play or whatever.
• 45:10
  I don't even know if I want to let anyone in right now, to be
• 45:13
  completely honest with you. I don't really want the
• 45:15
  questions or the what is this really?
• 45:18
  Or is this a skit? You know, fuck off.
• 45:21
  Does it look like it's a fucking skit?
• 45:23
  I mean, do I give the impression I'm really that good of an
• 45:26
  actor? You know, maybe, maybe you
• 45:30
  stupid assholes can just take a little bit of, I don't know if
• 45:34
  you want to point the finger at all the external circumstances
• 45:37
  something. Why don't you?
• 45:38
  Why don't you take some blame for all the instigation of this?
• 45:42
  For all the times all of you have betrayed, backstabbed,
• 45:46
  lied, deceived, ganged up on, tore down, and for what?
• 45:51
  Did you have any utility in it? Were you actually making a
• 45:53
  point? No.
• 45:53
  You were just trying to get revenge.
• 45:55
  Acting out in your flesh. You'd get you get someone that
• 45:57
  shows a mirror to you as to what you actually are in your in.
• 46:02
  Your instant impulse is to smash the mirror.
• 46:05
  It's not to look at yourself and reassess.
• 46:07
  It's to smash the mirror. Fro.
• 46:10
  I don't know why you don't have a wrench.
• 46:12
  I'm gonna give you one. Shit.
• 46:15
  Hold on, Fro. Here we go.
• 46:23
  Add as moderator. All right, There you go, Fro.
• 46:35
  So I guess I'm just going to put this up and in some theater mode
• 46:40
  there. Yeah, I'm just not going to have
• 46:49
  anyone in right now. Guys, if you want to stick
• 46:53
  around and wait a little bit and come in, you can come in, but
• 46:56
  I'm just not going to have anyone in right this second.
• 47:00
  I'm going to let this play for a little bit.
• 47:02
  I'm going to compress some of my thoughts as well while I listen
• 47:05
  to it and I'll come back and you guys should hear this.
• 47:08
  Not. I don't think there's probably a
• 47:09
  good chunk of you that didn't hear this and you probably
• 47:11
  should. And then you might have a better
• 47:13
  idea of kind of where I'm where I'm at with it.
• 47:16
  I do want to thank Fro for I'm coming in and doing his best to
• 47:22
  extend support, a virtue towards me.
• 47:25
  I appreciate that Fro seems to despise Christianity at this
• 47:29
  point, kind of similar to the level that I do now.
• 47:31
  I don't want the title or the affinity with the people that
• 47:36
  carry the title. And I think he kind of feels the
• 47:38
  same way. I know Dave has said many times
• 47:40
  he's not a Christian. And so here's all of these
• 47:43
  Christians who are really, I believe, serving Satan, trying
• 47:46
  to keep Christians quiet, trying to keep people from using their
• 47:49
  gifts for the Kingdom of God because they don't like it or
• 47:51
  they don't like the methods or whatever it is, or they don't
• 47:54
  like the results or whatever thing it is.
• 47:57
  But they feel that their best virtue is to silence, attack,
• 48:00
  destroy, suppress, limit speech, you know, try to keep me from
• 48:06
  being able to do debates, all of this stuff.
• 48:08
  And you claim to be of Christ, and you're supporting censorship
• 48:11
  and silencing of things that you don't agree with.
• 48:14
  So it's great, isn't it? So you all can take the blame
• 48:19
  for me leaving Christianity? If any of you ever thought there
• 48:22
  was any value to my work in polemics or apologetics, Well,
• 48:26
  you can, I guess, thank the people, since they want to point
• 48:29
  the fingers everywhere else. You can thank the people that
• 48:31
  pointed me here. You can thank Isaac certainly
• 48:34
  for #1 for definitely chasing me away from anything that would
• 48:39
  have to do with association with him as a title of Christian.
• 48:43
  Really, really helping nail that in, especially over the last
• 48:46
  couple days. And then everyone else that are
• 48:49
  a bunch of treacherous, backstabbing, gossiping, lying
• 48:53
  sacks of subhuman fucking feces. I don't need to.
• 48:58
  I don't need to mess with it anymore.
• 49:02
  Any of you want to come in and take in, take in trying to
• 49:06
  handle some of Smokey Saints atheist perspectives?
• 49:10
  Maybe I've thought about it more over the last couple days.
• 49:16
  Maybe this is me just doing a gimmick.
• 49:19
  Maybe it isn't. But I guess only if you guys
• 49:22
  start asking some questions and engaging, are you really going
• 49:25
  to find out, maybe figure out some of what my beliefs are,
• 49:28
  right? I mean, I know Tucker and Isaac
• 49:31
  can just read hearts. They're like God that way, but I
• 49:35
  don't think the rest of us are so stupid or arrogant to try and
• 49:38
  claim that. So if you would like to search
• 49:40
  my heart, you're welcome to do that.
• 49:44
  You're welcome to do that. And I will let people in.
• 49:46
  Just not right now. I want to let this play.
• 49:49
  And if you want to watch stick around and watch it, you're
• 49:51
  welcome to do so. Otherwise, you can piss off.
• 49:54
  I don't really care. And then I'll come back and I'll
• 49:57
  have probably a little bit more to say, and then I'll let you
• 50:00
  guys in and you can ask questions, you can challenge,
• 50:04
  you can do any number of things you like.
• 50:09
  So anyway, let's get this on screen.
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  Yeah. Brandon.
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  Yeah, sure. Yeah.
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  It's only been words thrown at me.
• 50:19
  Right, Brandon. Right.
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  Right. You really think so?
• 50:22
  It's only been words. You know, Brandon, it I almost
• 50:27
  wish you want weren't such a boring, uninteresting, stupid,
• 50:34
  uneducated loser failure that no one can stand listening to.
• 50:37
  I actually do wish you had at least some iota of talent OR
• 50:42
  intelligence so that you could know what it's like to get to a
• 50:45
  certain level and understand the amount of attack you get and the
• 50:48
  kinds I wish I wish for you. You had a single iota of
• 50:56
  integrity or intelligence so that you could know the types of
• 51:00
  attacks that come your way, especially when encouraged
• 51:04
  non-stop by TV and pieces of shit just like you.
• 51:09
  I don't even know how you sleep at night Brandon.
• 51:13
  Honestly Mr. Contract, Mr. Stick to the letter of the law.
• 51:19
  Stick to what it says, follow it closely.
• 51:21
  You don't. Most of you heretical nut jobs
• 51:26
  are condemned inside your own worldview and you don't even
• 51:28
  notice it. It's really funny to me.
• 51:31
  It's really funny that most of you can't even follow your own
• 51:35
  bullshit. We're going to play this.
• 51:48
  Who's going to play this? And then, and then we can talk
• 51:52
  about it. Don't worry guys, we got most of
• 51:55
  the day. Maybe all day.
• 51:56
  I don't know. We'll see.
• 51:59
  I guess we'll see. I'm just going to just going to
• 52:03
  see how it goes, all right? He's just crazier than that.
• 52:09
  Like, that's what I I don't want to go like that because he was
• 52:12
  in a he was under duress that I can't even fathom.
• 52:15
  And I'm not an expert in dealing with people who are coming out
• 52:18
  of a cult like that. I'm really not because I was
• 52:20
  never in a cult like that. So so far.
• 52:22
  Are you aware of that? He was in a cult, a very, very
• 52:23
  vicious, terrible cult. Yeah, I am aware.
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  OK, I just, I just don't think as a 30 year old man that
• 52:31
  excuses him from things like unrighteous judgement, slander,
• 52:34
  you know, fleshly activities, denying scripture, you know,
• 52:38
  making bad arguments to condemn and judge me, using the computer
• 52:40
  to judge me even by his own admission.
• 52:42
  I'm not making this up. He said it the other day and the
• 52:43
  coffee comes in comments. If you don't believe me, go look
• 52:45
  at it. He admitted explicitly told the
• 52:47
  whole story. So and now it's coming down to
• 52:49
  he suddenly believes the thing that he hasn't believed and
• 52:51
  denied for months because I for no other reason, I think it's
• 52:54
  convenient he didn't get some new information on that day or
• 52:57
  within this week that changed his mind.
• 52:59
  He just decided he wanted to hate me and he's going to claim
• 53:01
  he stands on righteousness, unrighteousness.
• 53:05
  And it is this hate. I'm sorry.
• 53:07
  I'm I'm very emotional. This is This is why I get angry
• 53:09
  and why I'm so sad. It is this fucking thing that
• 53:12
  makes me say that he he's not fuck this.
• 53:16
  I'm I'm done. I'm done with this.
• 53:18
  Have a lovely me. I love you smoking.
• 53:21
  I I appreciate that for all. Thank you.
• 53:23
  Yeah. As for me, like in my emotional
• 53:25
  weight with this, I handle it in stride.
• 53:27
  I came back as my name because I am not guilty of the slander and
• 53:30
  nonsense they put out at me. If I was, I would just
• 53:32
  disappear, go under some new name, you know, start a new
• 53:35
  thing. Hell, if I was actually a
• 53:36
  predator, that's what I would have done.
• 53:37
  I would have done, like, anime answer done.
• 53:38
  And I would have just gone underground onto a new name,
• 53:40
  went into the Discord servers and started praying on people
• 53:41
  again. You know, as as many of them
• 53:43
  tend to do, I didn't do that. I came back as my name to defend
• 53:45
  my position and my truth and my innocence and to all of the
• 53:48
  nonsense, the claims of identity, the claims of guilt,
• 53:50
  everything else. And it's all been out there for
• 53:51
  anyone to see. And there's some people just
• 53:53
  don't pay attention to it and some people that will pay
• 53:55
  attention to it for season and then it's opportunistic to turn
• 53:57
  away from it. We'll go right back to it.
• 53:59
  The entirety of the server today even was Tucker, you know,
• 54:01
  taking these jobs at me. The whole side chat last night,
• 54:03
  but Tucker was trying to take these jobs at me.
• 54:05
  It wasn't addressing in my arguments or my theological
• 54:07
  points was attempted diffuse distract.
• 54:09
  And well, you like this term triangulate, right?
• 54:11
  That's what it is. So, so to me, I I've seen just a
• 54:16
  lot of vicious attacks. And as you know, here's the
• 54:17
  thing. Remember Isaac, Mack, James, all
• 54:19
  these people, none of them believe this narrative against
• 54:21
  me as of like a week ago. And then suddenly when they have
• 54:24
  an excuse to hate me now all of a sudden they believe it.
• 54:25
  This isn't Christian judgment. This isn't righteous judgment.
• 54:27
  They didn't get some new information that changed their
• 54:29
  mind or some smoking gun or something.
• 54:31
  No, it just became fleshly convenient to try and bring this
• 54:34
  up and attack me with it because really they just want to try and
• 54:36
  annoy and farm me. The problem is I built a pretty
• 54:37
  hard skin, pretty tough skin up to this point, you know, because
• 54:40
  this has been thrown at me non-stop for years.
• 54:41
  I've had an ocean of emotional abuse from people online.
• 54:45
  And Isaac is claiming to stand on righteousness, but joining
• 54:47
  that fray. And that, that is the one thing
• 54:50
  that I get with Fro where Fro's coming.
• 54:51
  And Fro and I have talked, you know, on Dave's streams many
• 54:53
  times, and I have tried to counsel Fro and talk to Fro and
• 54:56
  and Fro struggles because he does hate what he sees so much.
• 54:59
  And Fro, you know, is one of those guys where his pretty much
• 55:01
  only access to Christianity is what he gets out here, you know.
• 55:04
  And he sees things that when he knows what he taught and talked
• 55:06
  to Christians about and read the Bible and he sees some of these
• 55:08
  things and these opportunistic, you know, evil, slanderous lies
• 55:11
  and attacks that it, it triggers him and it hits him deeply.
• 55:14
  And I, I like fro. I've always tried to be decent
• 55:15
  to fro. And fro has developed a bit of,
• 55:17
  you know, affinity towards me clearly.
• 55:19
  And he's bothered by the fact that I've been patient, kind,
• 55:21
  Christian, virtuous to him. And he's seen how horribly I'm
• 55:24
  being treated by people claiming Christ and claiming
• 55:26
  righteousness, You know, and it shouldn't be this way.
• 55:29
  It shouldn't, but it is. And I have to navigate this
• 55:32
  field in a rather, you know, difficult, tenuous way while
• 55:34
  still trying to keep my higher utility.
• 55:36
  And so like, the things that Isaac is willing to indulge,
• 55:39
  this doesn't come from righteousness.
• 55:40
  This isn't standing on truth. This isn't using Christian
• 55:42
  ethics or morals, you know, and he claims ethics, ethics isn't
• 55:46
  in the King James Bible. And he said there's no morals in
• 55:48
  the Bible because the word morals isn't in the Bible.
• 55:50
  So it's these types of things of these constant contradictions.
• 55:52
  And I have this person condemning me using unrighteous
• 55:55
  evil judgments towards me. And I'm supposed to, I don't
• 55:58
  know what, I guess just choke it up like I do every other time by
• 56:01
  being stabbed in the back more time than I can count.
• 56:03
  I didn't turn on Isaac. I tried to reason with Isaac.
• 56:04
  Isaac turned on me, That's just how Mac turned on me.
• 56:07
  James turned on me, Brandon Irish turned on me.
• 56:09
  Everyone turned on me. If their own decision about the
• 56:11
  spider situation, they decided just had to somehow, someway be
• 56:13
  my fault. And now all the sudden they want
• 56:15
  to pull all the slanderous shit about me and try and bring that
• 56:17
  all back. And it's demonic.
• 56:19
  There's no truth in it. It's all lies.
• 56:20
  It's all of Satan and they're just joining with Satan to use
• 56:22
  it. And also, don't tell me you
• 56:24
  stand on righteousness. Don't tell me you stand with
• 56:26
  Christ. Don't tell me you're following
• 56:27
  the Holy Spirit when you're indulging and participating in
• 56:30
  demonic slander. You didn't.
• 56:31
  You didn't come to that decision righteously.
• 56:33
  You didn't get some new information that changed your
• 56:34
  mind. You just were emotionally and
• 56:35
  fleshly driven to attack me by any way you could, and that
• 56:38
  makes you evil. That makes you evil.
• 56:40
  That's not it. But OK, OK.
• 56:42
  What information did you get that changed your mind in that
• 56:43
  week when you decided it's not about information, It's
• 56:45
  literally spiritual work. I'm trying.
• 56:47
  That's my point. That's my point right there.
• 56:48
  He didn't have any justification to change his mind about that
• 56:50
  stuff, but he's still dead and he just now proved it.
• 56:52
  There you go. That's the spirit behind it that
• 56:54
  I literally was trying to figure out what's going on.
• 56:57
  So why you're slandering me so badly?
• 56:58
  You're. I'm not saying I don't have to
• 57:00
  say any lies about you. That's what slander is, by the
• 57:02
  way. You don't know what that word
• 57:03
  means. It means I'm lying about you.
• 57:05
  I don't call me an idiot. You said about a Christian.
• 57:06
  You said that I don't believe in God.
• 57:08
  You're not really saying spirit. You're not perfectly fine.
• 57:10
  That's slandering. No, it isn't.
• 57:12
  No, I'm not telling a dishonesty from my worldview.
• 57:15
  You show me enough. OK, so hold on, Isaac.
• 57:18
  I want to. I want to be Smokey's attorney
• 57:21
  for a second and defend him for a second.
• 57:23
  And I want you to really think about this verse I'm going to
• 57:25
  bring forward because you're talking about spiritual warfare
• 57:27
  and this is one that's very much about it.
• 57:29
  So I want to blow this up. I want people to be able to see
• 57:31
  this because we can find everything we need in the word
• 57:33
  of God in order to deal with the things that we come come against
• 57:37
  us in this lifetime. And right now it is clear that
• 57:40
  things are spiritually coming against us.
• 57:42
  So I want to I want to put on I want to say that I right now am
• 57:46
  defending Smokey spiritually. It says Jesus in John wrote in
• 57:50
  the book of John. He said henceforth I call you
• 57:51
  servants for the servant knoweth not what his Lord doing, but I
• 57:55
  have called you friends and these are the members of the
• 57:57
  body of Christ, the people that are seeking after God for all
• 57:59
  things that I've heard of my father and it's what he said.
• 58:01
  They continue and believe they're not moved away from the
• 58:02
  gospel. That's why they're friends and I
• 58:04
  heard of my father. I've what I've heard from my
• 58:05
  father, I've made known to you. You have not chosen me, but I've
• 58:08
  chosen you, meaning God calls you to the gospel.
• 58:11
  He's drawing you and calling you everybody, not everybody
• 58:14
  receives Christ because they don't believe what He did.
• 58:15
  But here we go. And ordained you that you should
• 58:18
  go forth and bring fruit, and that fruit should remain, that
• 58:21
  whatsoever you shall ask of the Father in my name, He may give
• 58:24
  it to you. Now these things that command
• 58:25
  you that you love one another, if the world hate you, ye know
• 58:29
  that it hated me first before it hated you.
• 58:32
  And what I want you to hear in this verse, Isaac, is that
• 58:35
  you're talking about hate so much tonight, but Jesus is not
• 58:37
  talking about brothers hating each other.
• 58:39
  There's plenty of things in the Scripture for that, right?
• 58:41
  He's saying that the Kingdom of darkness is the enemy, not not
• 58:44
  your brothers and the Kingdom of darkness is that world.
• 58:47
  And in spiritual warfare, if, if they if, if there's things
• 58:50
  coming against Smokey, if there's things coming against
• 58:52
  you, me praise weren't fro. We're in the same boat, OK,
• 58:56
  We're in the same boat because Christ liveth in us.
• 58:59
  If you were of this world, and that's kind of what I had the
• 59:03
  Holy Spirit bringing my remembrance here.
• 59:04
  When you were talking about Smokey earlier, you were talking
• 59:06
  about him as being of the world. That's not what this verse is
• 59:08
  saying. Smokey's not of this world.
• 59:10
  Even if he gets into his flesh and so is the flesh.
• 59:12
  Jesus doesn't say he is of the world, but because ye are not of
• 59:15
  the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the
• 59:17
  world hateth you. The Kingdom of darkness hates
• 59:19
  the sons of God. So please.
• 59:21
  And what does he say there in verse 20?
• 59:22
  Remember Jesus saying, remember that?
• 59:25
  Remember when you're talking to somebody, So he's not of the
• 59:26
  world. And tonight I think you might
• 59:28
  have mistakenly called him that he's, he's not of the world.
• 59:33
  Remember that He says in verse 20, the word that I said unto
• 59:36
  you, and this is another one. The servant's not greater than
• 59:39
  his Lord. So we all have to make room for
• 59:41
  however someone's bringing the message.
• 59:43
  Let them bring their message. But the people bringing that
• 59:44
  message, remember who you're talking to.
• 59:46
  You're talking to people who are sons of God who've been taken
• 59:48
  out of the world. So, you know, measure it.
• 59:52
  Measure it especially if things. That's just what I'm saying at
• 59:55
  the end of the day, bro, bro, stop.
• 59:57
  Come on, man. You, you didn't do that.
• 59:59
  I got to say that you didn't do that.
• 1:00:00
  You didn't measure that when you when you made some things.
• 1:00:02
  That's smoky. You didn't.
• 1:00:04
  What I'm trying to say is I looked at the outside
• 1:00:06
  appearance. I looked at everything from the
• 1:00:08
  outside. Yeah, you're not supposed to do
• 1:00:09
  that. You're not supposed to be
• 1:00:09
  looking at the what was going on spiritually.
• 1:00:11
  I was understanding that he's a brother in Christ and also there
• 1:00:13
  are things that he was also talking with me.
• 1:00:15
  That's why we also got in a private conversation and we got
• 1:00:16
  heated. I'm telling you, I didn't come
• 1:00:18
  up with, as I said, love. Love covers a multitude of sins.
• 1:00:20
  Love covers a multitude of sins, right?
• 1:00:22
  And, and and if he's a saved person, what you're bringing up
• 1:00:25
  about him from the past has nothing to do with Spider.
• 1:00:29
  Nothing. I don't know.
• 1:00:31
  Exactly like he's trying to do because of me saying then, then,
• 1:00:34
  then you're doing, then you're then now you're doing a logical
• 1:00:35
  fallacy. You're saying that's too.
• 1:00:37
  OK. You're saying, well, look at
• 1:00:37
  him. What about him?
• 1:00:38
  What about what he's doing to me?
• 1:00:39
  I understand I was wrong. I'm sorry for saying what I
• 1:00:41
  said. OK, Do you want to hear that?
• 1:00:42
  I'm sorry for saying what I said.
• 1:00:43
  But what I'm going to try to say is there's two wrongs that
• 1:00:45
  there's two. There's two things.
• 1:00:47
  It's not just one way or the other.
• 1:00:48
  There's always someone that causes another thing.
• 1:00:50
  So will Smokey apologize and say that I am not stupid.
• 1:00:54
  I, I don't think the issue anymore is about not being
• 1:00:56
  stupid because if you came in here and that was your issue,
• 1:00:59
  you should have No, but that's what I'm trying to say his past.
• 1:01:01
  But my issue, just to be clear, Isaac, if I could Isaac, my
• 1:01:05
  issue, Isaac, my issue is no longer with you being stupid.
• 1:01:09
  And the reason I said that is because you've contradicted
• 1:01:10
  yourself so much in pretending that you're right.
• 1:01:12
  And then when I correct you, you say things like, oh, exactly,
• 1:01:14
  even though I just contradicted what you just said.
• 1:01:16
  So here's the thing. Here's the thing that came
• 1:01:17
  through. Here's the thing, just real
• 1:01:18
  quick. My issue is not at this point,
• 1:01:20
  my issue is not with your intelligence.
• 1:01:22
  My issue is with your evil. That's where we're at now.
• 1:01:25
  I don't care about your intelligence level, your
• 1:01:27
  education, any of that stuff. I care about what is a
• 1:01:30
  disgusting, immoral, unrighteous judgement practices that you
• 1:01:33
  have convinced yourself is righteous.
• 1:01:34
  That's what I want now. And I don't know about
• 1:01:35
  practicing your righteous judgement.
• 1:01:36
  Please, someone explain by judging me.
• 1:01:38
  I'll tell you. I'll tell you what was
• 1:01:40
  unrighteous. I'll tell you something was
• 1:01:41
  unrighteous. You came in here, you came in
• 1:01:43
  here. I stuck around to try and get
• 1:01:44
  this whole thing where you guys could go back and forth.
• 1:01:46
  You said this was about Dave's channel and now you're 1,000,000
• 1:01:50
  miles away about Smokey calling you an idiot.
• 1:01:52
  Well, I know it wasn't supposed to be over there.
• 1:01:55
  And FRO started making this whole thing.
• 1:01:56
  No, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:01:58
  I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry.
• 1:01:59
  You don't get to now put it on FRO.
• 1:02:01
  Yeah, You don't get to blame shifted on FRO because these are
• 1:02:03
  the things you're responsible for out of your own mouth.
• 1:02:06
  You're my brother. But your mouth, you can't blame
• 1:02:08
  FRO. Because when FRO was asking you
• 1:02:09
  that question, the correct answer was Jesus, sorry that I'm
• 1:02:13
  in my flesh and I did not answer correctly.
• 1:02:15
  Got it? Got it.
• 1:02:16
  OK, That's that's helpful. That's very helpful.
• 1:02:17
  But now the issue becomes And we got to go to bed, the issue
• 1:02:19
  becomes for you, not Dave's channel because that's not the
• 1:02:22
  issue. The issue for you is that you
• 1:02:24
  were called an idiot and that we can deal with that.
• 1:02:26
  We can deal with This has nothing to do with Dave's
• 1:02:28
  channel. So that, so that So what happens
• 1:02:30
  here? And so, and I get it, when
• 1:02:31
  you're triggered, you go to your flesh.
• 1:02:33
  So do I then you bring up other things that which is deflection
• 1:02:35
  away from because you don't know how to talk about the main issue
• 1:02:38
  that you do not want to be called an idiot.
• 1:02:39
  I understand. I don't want to be called an
• 1:02:40
  idiot either. I'm not I'm not against you in
• 1:02:42
  that I'm with you at the end of the day.
• 1:02:44
  Please consider this first, that if Smokey gets in his flesh
• 1:02:47
  calls you an idiot. This person, John 15 is saying
• 1:02:49
  that the Kingdom of darkness is oppressing Smokey, putting them
• 1:02:52
  in his flesh to call you an idiot.
• 1:02:53
  And you are missing out on what you need to be focused on that
• 1:02:56
  the Kingdom of darkness is oppressing your brother and
• 1:02:58
  you're, you need to pray for your brother.
• 1:02:59
  Then go to him privately. Say listen, I know you called me
• 1:03:01
  an idiot. I don't like that.
• 1:03:02
  But I pray that the king of darkness stops oppressing you
• 1:03:04
  and doing that you because the Kingdom of darkness is your
• 1:03:06
  enemy. Not Smokey, not Fro, not Dave,
• 1:03:08
  not me, not praise, not Olive. None of those people are your
• 1:03:11
  enemy, even if they say something out of your mouth that
• 1:03:13
  you don't like. The enemy is the king of the
• 1:03:14
  darkness and how the king of darkness is able to get to their
• 1:03:17
  flesh if that's what you think is happening.
• 1:03:18
  So we can do one of my one of my problems is that I know and
• 1:03:21
  smoking all this as well, that even if he agrees to all these
• 1:03:24
  things, I know that he will under one day flip flop again
• 1:03:29
  and makes Cana's claims again. We know that because we saw we
• 1:03:32
  saw we seen it. Then you then you need to then
• 1:03:34
  you need to be praying against the Kingdom of darkness going
• 1:03:37
  against Isaac. Then the Kingdom of darkness has
• 1:03:39
  a door open that's oppressing your brother and you he's no
• 1:03:42
  brother of mine. He's no brother of mine.
• 1:03:43
  OK, I didn't know that you could read hearts that you could do
• 1:03:45
  what God does, but that's all right.
• 1:03:46
  So here's here's where we're at. If if he's a Christian, I'm not
• 1:03:49
  very good, but OK, so here's where we're at.
• 1:03:52
  We we know that we have admonitions in our Bible.
• 1:03:55
  I'm guilty as anybody of saying, Hey, that guy's an A hole and
• 1:03:58
  he's not my brother. However, I also have to wake up
• 1:04:02
  the next day, hear from my Holy Spirit, same Holy Spirit that's
• 1:04:04
  in the rest of the brothers. Christ that starts hitting me
• 1:04:06
  going hey, your brother is being oppressed.
• 1:04:08
  Why don't you pray for him because the verses will come to
• 1:04:10
  my remembrance that my brother's in trouble.
• 1:04:12
  So when my when I say it's going to happen in the future
• 1:04:15
  happened, will he just say I'm correct them It doesn't matter
• 1:04:18
  if you're correct because can you read what's on the screen?
• 1:04:20
  What does it mean on the screen? And Jesus said if they persecute
• 1:04:23
  you somebody it was when he was writing this, it was saved Jews
• 1:04:26
  that were persecuting Jesus people who are of the faith of
• 1:04:28
  Abraham people who they're faith with the pound of his
• 1:04:29
  righteousness. They had the Holy Spirit.
• 1:04:31
  They are the all the time. So it doesn't OK, so this is
• 1:04:33
  what we're dealing with. The Kingdom of darkness doesn't
• 1:04:35
  sleep. He did it like literally in this
• 1:04:38
  dream, I, I told him I thought he was wrong for what he did and
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  he even apologized. But how many how many times does
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  he say you forgive your brother? Once, twice, 30 * 1000 times.
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  But The thing is like, he hasn't changed.
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  He like I'm going to tell you right now.
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  I don't believe shit that's coming out of his mouth.
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  Then pray for him that the King of Darkness is oppressing him.
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  I will, dude, whenever you're ready.
• 1:04:58
  I'll just go ahead. I don't agree.
• 1:04:59
  I don't agree for I think you're right.
• 1:05:01
  That's the thing. It it appears like we're
• 1:05:03
  disagreeing, but I think you're right in your rebuking, in the
• 1:05:05
  things you're raising that this keeps happening.
• 1:05:07
  None of those things are you wrong about.
• 1:05:08
  I want to be clear about that. Everything that you've brought
• 1:05:11
  forward Fro is factual and true. Fro has not told a lie in the
• 1:05:14
  things that he's saying. And even I agree with him that
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  he has righteous anger to be angry about it.
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  I I even agree with your righteous anger Fro.
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  Go ahead, smoke you up the floor.
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  I appreciate that. Yeah, appreciate that.
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  Thanks. I I'll just kind of, I know it's
• 1:05:24
  getting, you know, I mean, we're getting along in the night and
• 1:05:26
  we all should go to bed. I'm just going to say one final
• 1:05:28
  thing about a bow out and stuff the entirety of the kind of the
• 1:05:33
  focus of this conversation as I've kind of been digesting it
• 1:05:36
  and considering it. And I had a thought just the
• 1:05:38
  other day I woke up and I did kind of what I typically do.
• 1:05:41
  I usually have some sort of kind of like silent, you know, prayer
• 1:05:44
  in my head to God, usually for the day or wisdom or guidance or
• 1:05:46
  something like that. Just kind of a quick little, you
• 1:05:48
  know, personal interaction, devotion type thing, you know,
• 1:05:51
  to God. If there's a passage that's
• 1:05:53
  burning on my mind or concept is bringing my mind, I'll go look
• 1:05:55
  it up and read it or something like that.
• 1:05:56
  But I just kind of have these moments.
• 1:05:57
  And the other day I woke up in a fashion that was unfamiliar, was
• 1:06:03
  different than what I had experienced before in terms of
• 1:06:05
  how I woke up. And I was considering and maybe
• 1:06:08
  fro will probably empathize with me on this.
• 1:06:10
  I had an almost inescapable distaste and disgust with myself
• 1:06:17
  in the identity of the word Christian.
• 1:06:19
  I woke up with a recognition kind of did not with what I
• 1:06:24
  sometimes when I do with like kind of like, well, just God
• 1:06:25
  help me with my day. I think I woke up with like a
• 1:06:27
  sense of awareness of the weight of the surrounds, you know, and
• 1:06:32
  and I I had for the first time probably in a very, very long
• 1:06:35
  time, probably not since my atheist days, I had a sudden
• 1:06:38
  instantaneous disgust with the very word Christian.
• 1:06:40
  Even thinking in my mind I'm Christian caused a almost
• 1:06:44
  unavoidable sense of personal disgust with myself.
• 1:06:48
  And in sense of reconciling and looking at the environment, I
• 1:06:51
  had a series of epiphanies. Not, I'm not going to share all
• 1:06:54
  of them, but but in my in my mind, in this moment of self
• 1:06:57
  reflection and meditation of sudden this, this new emergent
• 1:07:00
  sense of disgust, there was a problem with me in terms of even
• 1:07:04
  feeling comfortable taking the Christian title anymore.
• 1:07:07
  I know it used to mean something in the book of Acts.
• 1:07:09
  It meant something in the 1st century, it meant something in
• 1:07:11
  the 2nd century, it meant something.
• 1:07:13
  And, and it's evolved over time. And what the term Christian has
• 1:07:15
  turned into has now left me. And especially with the
• 1:07:17
  emergence of the events of the last week has left me with a
• 1:07:22
  unresolvable sense of disgust. I really want to denounce the
• 1:07:30
  title of Christian altogether. I get where fro is coming from.
• 1:07:32
  My urge is to do that just right now.
• 1:07:35
  And the amazing thing is that in that consideration that this is
• 1:07:37
  nothing more than a manifestation of really the
• 1:07:40
  events of the week, which in some ways to me is almost a test
• 1:07:42
  of faith in some ways. And I've been pushed to a limit
• 1:07:47
  of pure disgust with my fellow man and my supposed fellow
• 1:07:50
  brother. People I trusted and considered,
• 1:07:52
  you know, would be reasonably led by the Holy Spirit only to
• 1:07:55
  find them not only turn on me for really bad or unjustified or
• 1:07:57
  untrue reasons, but then to latch on to slander and lies and
• 1:08:02
  things they never believed before.
• 1:08:03
  Suddenly now it's opportunistic and they just start throwing at
• 1:08:05
  me. So I've seen enough from the
• 1:08:07
  quote UN quote Christian community to develop an extreme
• 1:08:10
  disgust with them to notion that this is the thing I also I've
• 1:08:16
  seen. This is why I also feel this
• 1:08:17
  this stays because this last week like I understand smoking
• 1:08:20
  is strong. So smoke is one of the strongest
• 1:08:23
  people I have met on the Internet.
• 1:08:24
  But being betrayed over and over again, like he's this fucking
• 1:08:27
  Judas Iscariot. Like, I, I don't get it.
• 1:08:30
  I don't get this anger towards smoking, but I, I don't get what
• 1:08:34
  he has done to deserve this. And he's being tested over and
• 1:08:36
  over and over again as a weaker man.
• 1:08:38
  Like if he was a little bit weaker, he was, he would be in a
• 1:08:41
  mental institution because he was trying to commit suicide.
• 1:08:46
  Like I, I just like, I, I, I nourish that he sells Trump.
• 1:08:49
  And I'm just going to tell you this spiritual warfare against
• 1:08:52
  smoking is one of the worst things I've seen lately.
• 1:08:54
  It's been like, it's it's not one time, it's like 60 times.
• 1:08:57
  Yeah, I agree with you completely.
• 1:08:58
  Fro this was what I talked to praise and Olive about.
• 1:09:01
  And they, you know, they were already praying over it and
• 1:09:03
  thinking about it, that there something happened here that
• 1:09:05
  became the normalization of tearing down smoking.
• 1:09:08
  And you know, when we opened up our Channel 2 for people to come
• 1:09:11
  in to moderate discussions, the Holy Spirit came upon every
• 1:09:14
  single person. And not just that it was our
• 1:09:16
  channel just happened to do that.
• 1:09:17
  Every single person who's come here and been on panel.
• 1:09:18
  We know the holy we could feel it.
• 1:09:20
  And it has led to like you're talking about fro us to really
• 1:09:23
  put a a name to something that was an injustice that went on
• 1:09:26
  way too long. And we wish, we wish that we
• 1:09:29
  could go back in time and that we've even said this to smoke.
• 1:09:31
  Like we didn't know that he had apologized for stuff years ago,
• 1:09:34
  like all these things that we didn't even know about.
• 1:09:36
  And then we got caught. Then we got caught up in this
• 1:09:37
  evil thing called the normalization of the tearing
• 1:09:42
  down of smoking. And you that you put, you
• 1:09:45
  described it. I'm giving it a name and we're
• 1:09:47
  not a part of that. We're never going to be a part
• 1:09:49
  of that again. No, I know, and I appreciate you
• 1:09:51
  saying that, but I just, I just know that Smokey is saying that
• 1:09:56
  he takes it upon him and he has the right to say that.
• 1:09:58
  But I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm worried for Smokey.
• 1:10:01
  I, I, I pray for Smokey that he will keep that spirit in him.
• 1:10:04
  And I see him especially like, like he said last, the last week
• 1:10:07
  been enormously difficult for the people around the situation
• 1:10:11
  because this whole thing with Spider, that was just the last
• 1:10:14
  drop in a very, very, very big bucket of problems that we have
• 1:10:17
  seen going on. And it does not help when when
• 1:10:20
  people like Isaac is spewing all these evil, evil things out of
• 1:10:24
  his mouth. So again, I'll just if I could,
• 1:10:27
  I'll just wrap up real quick too.
• 1:10:29
  If it's OK with you, dude, if you don't mind, go ahead.
• 1:10:31
  I want you guys. I'll get to everything out that
• 1:10:33
  you want to because that's why once I'm done, I will bow out.
• 1:10:35
  I'll let everyone out there the word too.
• 1:10:37
  So the real the real part of this too is that the interesting
• 1:10:39
  thing is this idea of these external, you know,
• 1:10:41
  instigations. And I'll go and reframe this
• 1:10:43
  too. The recent conduct of Isaac Mack
• 1:10:46
  James, a couple others recently within the last week has pushed
• 1:10:50
  me to the state of extreme disgust in this taste with
• 1:10:53
  Christianity. Now I can choose.
• 1:10:55
  I have my choice of what to do with that.
• 1:10:58
  I can either choose to keep to the faith and move forward or
• 1:11:02
  allow it to shipwreck me, give up all faith and it denounced
• 1:11:05
  Christianity and say all of this is horseshit.
• 1:11:07
  I mean, I have a choice. I mean, I I've been instigated
• 1:11:09
  to a certain level by these people, especially over the last
• 1:11:11
  week. But what I do with that is my
• 1:11:14
  choice. This is the whole thing that
• 1:11:17
  even falls to the, to the spider situation that's comparable.
• 1:11:20
  I, I'm just going to speak out of my heart, out of the mouth.
• 1:11:25
  The abundance of the heart speaks and there's no point in
• 1:11:27
  being dishonest about any of it. It is what it is, and it's now
• 1:11:30
  going to be part of my testimony moving forward.
• 1:11:33
  I, I don't like to hold hate in my heart.
• 1:11:35
  I don't like to have that thing in me.
• 1:11:36
  I believe it's intrinsic that I'd be able to let stuff like
• 1:11:38
  that go for my own benefit. But aside from that, all things
• 1:11:42
  considered, right now in my current state of affairs, I
• 1:11:45
  truly, deeply, intrinsically, powerfully hate Isaac.
• 1:11:49
  I hate him for his immoral judgment and stabbing me in the
• 1:11:52
  back. I hate him for his attack on my
• 1:11:55
  wife that was unjustified, immoral, inconsistent, and
• 1:11:58
  hypocritical. I hate him for how he has chosen
• 1:12:02
  to operate for the last week and claiming to be on righteousness.
• 1:12:04
  And all of his actions have inspired this hate.
• 1:12:07
  That's not good. I shouldn't have that hatred if
• 1:12:09
  I could. You are to hate evil.
• 1:12:11
  You are to hate evil, and even. But I shouldn't hate that as
• 1:12:14
  much as I should hate that. You know?
• 1:12:15
  I understand. I shouldn't hate Isaac, but I
• 1:12:17
  do. I'm not going to lie about it
• 1:12:18
  right now. I should, I shouldn't.
• 1:12:20
  It's a problem. I'm not saying it's right, I'm
• 1:12:22
  not saying it's good. I'm just being honest among my
• 1:12:24
  brothers here. I hate Isaac more than anyone
• 1:12:26
  else right now at this stage. I hate him more than Vicky,
• 1:12:29
  Bill, anyone else. And I, I tried to forgive all
• 1:12:31
  these people as best as I can. They think he's always had a
• 1:12:33
  special place in my heart of disgust.
• 1:12:35
  But Isaac's stuff over the last week has inspired a pretty,
• 1:12:39
  pretty potent level of hatred and disgust like a vias.
• 1:12:43
  And part of it does have to do with the fact that I was so
• 1:12:44
  friendly to him and to try to befriend him and to try to
• 1:12:47
  support him and give him ideas and stuff like that.
• 1:12:48
  To see this type of thing manifest inspires a level of
• 1:12:50
  hatred I'm not experience in a hot minute and I know it's not
• 1:12:52
  right. I'm not saying I should have
• 1:12:54
  this in my heart and I'm not justifying it.
• 1:12:55
  I'm just being honest that it's there.
• 1:12:57
  If I could destroy Isaac's entire existence tomorrow, I
• 1:13:00
  would. And that's that's not right and
• 1:13:02
  that's not how it should be. That's not a good sign.
• 1:13:03
  That's me in my flesh right now. But I'm not going to lie and and
• 1:13:07
  the fact of the matter is I don't know what's going to
• 1:13:08
  happen or how I'm going to work on this in this type of way.
• 1:13:11
  But just understand you so-called Christians out there
• 1:13:14
  that are claiming to stand on righteousness and have been
• 1:13:17
  attacking me unjustly slandering me for no real good reason, for
• 1:13:19
  the better part a week you put me here.
• 1:13:22
  Now what I do with it is still my choice.
• 1:13:23
  Just like where Spider ended up and what he chose to do with it
• 1:13:25
  was still his choice. OK, I can choose to say fuck all
• 1:13:29
  of you and become one of the most incredible anti Christian
• 1:13:32
  atheist promoters that you've ever seen in your entire life.
• 1:13:34
  I would be 10 times what Justin from the deconstruction Zone is
• 1:13:38
  if I decided to just say fuck all of you.
• 1:13:40
  I would be one of the most incredibly potent, powerful
• 1:13:43
  tools for the enemy. And you guys want to push me
• 1:13:46
  here and you're pushing me here by claiming I'm responsible and
• 1:13:49
  exterior source that denied Spider the energy he wanted.
• 1:13:53
  I'm the reason Spider chose to do what he chose.
• 1:13:55
  Even though he could have chosen anything he chose to do that.
• 1:13:57
  I'm still responsible for the choice.
• 1:13:59
  So does that mean you're responsible for my choice
• 1:14:02
  because you've put me here? You've made me exasperated and
• 1:14:06
  disgusted with Christianity. Do you?
• 1:14:08
  Will you follow your logic consistently and blame
• 1:14:11
  yourselves for my fall, having pushed me here with your
• 1:14:14
  annoying, unrighteous, evil judgments?
• 1:14:16
  Or is it my choice what I do? Is it my choice to keep faith?
• 1:14:19
  Is it my choice to be true? Is it my choice to keep to my
• 1:14:22
  sensibilities? Or do I blame all of you because
• 1:14:25
  you put me here? Well, I take accountability.
• 1:14:29
  I take responsibility, OK, If I choose to leave Christianity
• 1:14:33
  because all of you are pieces of shit, that's still on me.
• 1:14:37
  I'm not absolved of that. I don't get to get to the white
• 1:14:39
  pearly gates and claim, well, they made me do it.
• 1:14:41
  And you've all been treating me. So many of you have been
• 1:14:43
  treating me this week as if that's the case.
• 1:14:46
  That's my fault, that I somehow forced Spider's choice.
• 1:14:49
  Well, trust me, you've delivered to me a healthy dose of cynicism
• 1:14:53
  about Christianity. You have absolutely stumbled my
• 1:14:57
  desire to even want to claim the label.
• 1:15:00
  So you want to blame me for Spider than blame yourselves for
• 1:15:03
  where I'm at now. And I'm on the edge.
• 1:15:05
  I've been on these edge many times before.
• 1:15:07
  And you fucking people and you, Isaac, you, you taking this half
• 1:15:12
  of pure treachery and betrayal with how kind and supportive I
• 1:15:15
  was to you, attacking my wife unjustly with how kind she was.
• 1:15:18
  You, Jamie, as to where we don't even want to put pictures of
• 1:15:20
  ourselves on the Internet anymore.
• 1:15:23
  And I do fucking hate you, Isaac.
• 1:15:25
  I do. I hate you deeply because I
• 1:15:28
  loved you and I cared for you and I tried to do everything I
• 1:15:30
  could for you. I tried to give you space, I
• 1:15:33
  tried to give you expectation, I tried to give you encouragement.
• 1:15:35
  And all you did was expect the most evil and worst of me for no
• 1:15:38
  good reason. And I do fucking hate you.
• 1:15:41
  I don't like it, it's not right, it shouldn't be, but I fucking
• 1:15:44
  hate you. So I'm going to take a break,
• 1:15:48
  I'm going to meditate, I'm going to reassess.
• 1:15:51
  And if you fucks want to still keep blaming your first fighter
• 1:15:54
  when I come back as the worst anti Christian atheist you've
• 1:15:57
  ever seen in your whole fucking lives, then you can blame
• 1:15:59
  yourself for that too. Thank you dude for your
• 1:16:02
  hospitality. I appreciate the time.
• 1:16:04
  I hope you guys have yourselves a lovely evening.
• 1:16:06
  I would say God bless but I'm not in that headspace so you
• 1:16:09
  guys have you know, I'll say God bless for you and God bless you
• 1:16:12
  in the name of Jesus. I'll be praying for you again.
• 1:16:14
  You have, you've been unfairly targeted.
• 1:16:17
  Today we talked about that. Everybody has a story.
• 1:16:20
  Some people have been attacked and it's a puddle of abuse.
• 1:16:22
  Some people have a pond of abuse.
• 1:16:24
  Some people have a lake of abuse.
• 1:16:25
  Smokey has received an ocean of abuse.
• 1:16:27
  And for that, Smokey, I'm sorry to you, Whatever part I ever
• 1:16:30
  played, I am wholeheartedly sorry.
• 1:16:32
  And I hope that people will realize that what Smokey is
• 1:16:36
  pointing out here. And he said it better than
• 1:16:38
  anybody can because he's the one that lived it.
• 1:16:40
  Kino Darkness has used brother against brother too easily over
• 1:16:43
  the time on YouTube. And I'm sorry that you were the
• 1:16:45
  one that got it in the way and in the the volume that you got
• 1:16:48
  it. So thank you fro for pointing it
• 1:16:50
  out. Thank you to you, Isaac, for
• 1:16:52
  saying sorry. You did apologize.
• 1:16:54
  And there's some stuff that obviously you're gonna have to
• 1:16:56
  work out still because there's things that he's very angry
• 1:16:59
  about. And Smokey, I, I bless you.
• 1:17:01
  And lo, in the name of Jesus, I hope you have a good a good
• 1:17:04
  night. And yeah, so, bro, did you want
• 1:17:08
  to add anything here? Yeah.
• 1:17:10
  I don't blame him. This is why I prayed about this.
• 1:17:15
  And yeah, I am just going to say that I agree with everything
• 1:17:19
  that the smoke isn't OK. Very good.
• 1:17:22
  I bless you, Throne, the name of Jesus.
• 1:17:23
  Thank you for being here. And I hope the things that
• 1:17:25
  you're struggling also with in your heart that the Lord, I will
• 1:17:27
  bring you the comfort and like the same that you know, that's
• 1:17:30
  why I'm blessing Smokey. I want the Lord to I want to
• 1:17:32
  hold him up to the throne of grace so that he, the Lord hears
• 1:17:34
  our petition because the Lord hears our prayers.
• 1:17:36
  We just have to ask the Father in the name of Jesus to help our
• 1:17:38
  brother. And that's what I'm asking for
• 1:17:39
  you, for Smokey and for anybody else that's out there who's
• 1:17:42
  either hurting over this or even feels responsible for a partner
• 1:17:44
  played whatever it is, if you're a member of the body of Christ,
• 1:17:47
  all of us need to stop allowing the Kingdom of darkness to use
• 1:17:49
  any of us as its sphere. So, yeah, So thank you Fro.
• 1:17:56
  You're you're you were a good brother in Christ tonight.
• 1:17:58
  What you brought forward. I was glad that you did.
• 1:18:00
  And so even when I was talking to you about things, I was
• 1:18:02
  trying to edify you to be strong in the Lord.
• 1:18:03
  I was not disagreeing with you. Yeah.
• 1:18:08
  God bless. God bless, bro.
• 1:18:10
  Isaac, there's something that you'd like to say here.
• 1:18:15
  Well, I just wanted to address everything again.
• 1:18:18
  Sorry for getting on my flesh. I should have left.
• 1:18:23
  There is a lot of things that we all do need to ponder that.
• 1:18:26
  Yeah, a lot of people do consistently get attacked all
• 1:18:29
  the time, brothers and sisters. But all I do remember is what
• 1:18:34
  Paul said is that through pain comes salvation through pain.
• 1:18:36
  It's always the like pain is the worst.
• 1:18:39
  But the best part is what comes after.
• 1:18:40
  And that's usually joy because of God shows us like who he is.
• 1:18:44
  And I'm not trying to say what I did was right.
• 1:18:46
  No, it's not. And what I'm going to say is, by
• 1:18:50
  God's grace, we can understand when we're being used by the
• 1:18:53
  flesh and when we're not. And so I just wanted to address
• 1:18:55
  that and say that I'm sorry again for overstepping certain
• 1:18:59
  things that I have no understanding of where I over or
• 1:19:02
  what I should not have overstepped.
• 1:19:04
  And if that makes sense. Yes, it does.
• 1:19:07
  It makes a lot of sense. And I'm really happy that you
• 1:19:10
  have recognized that it always is better to leave with an, you
• 1:19:13
  know, apology. If you've offended your brothers
• 1:19:15
  and then go to them in private, then you know, And yeah, so
• 1:19:18
  thank you for for apologizing. It's, it's important to do that.
• 1:19:22
  And you did. So I hope that people will hear
• 1:19:24
  that you did apologize because I certainly did, Isaac.
• 1:19:26
  And I bless you in the name of Jesus and hold you up before the
• 1:19:28
  throne of grace as well, that the Lord can heal things that
• 1:19:30
  are happening in your heart because we're all listen,
• 1:19:33
  there's not one of us that isn't fighting a private personal
• 1:19:36
  battle. There's not one of us in the
• 1:19:38
  body of Christ that isn't fighting some personal thing.
• 1:19:40
  So we need, that's why we need to love one another, hold each
• 1:19:42
  other up before the throne of grace, lift each other up, bear
• 1:19:44
  each other's burdens and figure out ways to edify each other.
• 1:19:47
  And obviously, if the Lord has you bring other information that
• 1:19:49
  won't be pleasant. That's why God wants you to do
• 1:19:51
  it in private because it it can go sideways fast.
• 1:19:54
  So Amen. Thank you.
• 1:19:56
  Amen. Thank you, Isaac.
• 1:19:58
  OK, so I. Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna call
• 1:20:01
  it here. So all I'm gonna do is thank
• 1:20:03
  everybody. Everybody who was came by
• 1:20:05
  tonight. This was obviously one of our
• 1:20:06
  longest shows. And I wanted to not cut it off
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  because out of respect for the people who came in and poured
• 1:20:11
  their hearts up. You know, I wanted to go private
• 1:20:13
  actually, and I kept on hinting toward that.
• 1:20:15
  But everybody wanted to make sure that they could express
• 1:20:18
  themselves and I, I let them. So I'm gonna have to go to the
• 1:20:21
  Father myself and make sure that was I ignoring the Holy Spirit,
• 1:20:27
  that maybe the Holy Spirit was telling me to call this thing
• 1:20:29
  earlier. So all of this didn't get out or
• 1:20:30
  did I do the right thing to let everybody express each other
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  even I'm having a minute going, boy.
• 1:20:34
  Father, did I make a mistake here letting this go or should I
• 1:20:36
  called it earlier? So I'm gonna, I'm gonna go to
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  the Lord. And you know, if I, if I did the
• 1:20:39
  right thing, I didn't. If I didn't, you know, thank God
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  I have the Lord Jesus Christ. You know, he covers me in these
• 1:20:44
  things. So thank you to everybody.
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  Janet, you're a blessing that you come by, you speak such
• 1:20:49
  truth, you speak it so clearly and you know, things that need
• 1:20:52
  to be said. So we're grateful for you.
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  And yeah, so pray for each other, love one another, get
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  rest. Let's get after it for a new
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  day. And remember a verse.
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  And I'm gonna find it for you. I think it's in the Psalms.
• 1:21:04
  I think it's very important that we follow this verse, especially
• 1:21:09
  tonight. Let me find it.
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  OK, Hold on one second. I'm sorry.
• 1:21:17
  I always say it's in Psalms, but it's in Lamentations.
• 1:21:19
  And it's Lamentations 322 and 23.
• 1:21:23
  And here it is. It is of the Lord's mercies that
• 1:21:27
  we are not consumed because his compassions fail not.
• 1:21:32
  Our Lord doesn't fail us even tonight.
• 1:21:33
  We may have failed each other, but he doesn't fail us.
• 1:21:35
  It is of the Lord's mercies that we are not consumed either by
• 1:21:38
  each other or the enemy, because his compassions fail not.
• 1:21:40
  And here's the best His mercies are new every morning.
• 1:21:44
  Great is thy faithfulness. And it's talking about the
• 1:21:46
  Lord's faithfulness to his children, to the members of the
• 1:21:49
  body of Christ. So let us take something from
• 1:21:51
  the Lord here and let us renew our mercies when we wake up,
• 1:21:54
  when we have time to sleep and reflect.
• 1:21:55
  Let us put the same mercies on our brothers and sisters in
• 1:21:58
  Christ that we may be mad with right now.
• 1:22:00
  But the Lord renews his mercies on us every day.
• 1:22:02
  Let us do our best to renew mercy on our brothers and
• 1:22:04
  sisters every day. And I, I bid you guys for a
• 1:22:06
  while and I'm going to send us out of here with a maybe a song
• 1:22:11
  that's uplifting. And I'm trying to.
• 1:22:16
  Yeah. I don't mind you, Smokey, that
• 1:22:18
  you're taking a break. I understand.
• 1:22:20
  And I'm praying for you. Yeah.
• 1:22:22
  OK. That's very good, Isaac.
• 1:22:23
  And I'm going to pull Isaac out of here for a second.
• 1:22:25
  He's going to. And that's a yes, Isaac.
• 1:22:28
  So let's see any. Let me see.
• 1:22:33
  I want to give also to what's being said out here before I
• 1:22:35
  throw. Hey, Beckel, Good to see you.
• 1:22:37
  And what's what is this that's going on?
• 1:22:41
  Bum, bum, bum, bum. I want to know.
• 1:22:48
  I was writing something for Janet and I wanted to.
• 1:22:50
  There you go. That's for Janet.
• 1:22:52
  I was just thinking of you as you with all you do in the glory
• 1:22:54
  of God. Well, thank you.
• 1:22:55
  You're just thinking of. OK.
• 1:22:56
  That's all very good and peaceful benefits at the end.
• 1:22:59
  Taking a break at you Low. My my prayers got to low and all
• 1:23:02
  our prayers got to Smoky St. and Low and and all our brothers and
• 1:23:05
  sisters. Spiders was just too crazy, man.
• 1:23:08
  You guys are troopers. Yeah.
• 1:23:09
  So I'm going to find a song here to get us out of here or
• 1:23:11
  something to get us out here. That's uplifting because, you
• 1:23:13
  know, I feel that the Lord guiding me, my spirit to do that
• 1:23:16
  and then we're going to end this thing.
• 1:23:19
  So I'm in praise this side here of the what you call it thing.
• 1:23:21
  So give me a second because praise is always so great at
• 1:23:23
  this. Praise is such a blessing to
• 1:23:25
  always do this stuff and I'm not as good as him.
• 1:23:28
  So give me a second. Dude does play a song at the
• 1:23:33
  end. I think that's probably good
• 1:23:36
  enough at this point. Boy, is there anything else I
• 1:23:42
  even want to say to this right now, at this point?
• 1:23:46
  Is there anything that I've neglected to say yet, perhaps?
• 1:23:50
  Let me think for a moment. It's my standby mode.
• 1:23:55
  I can take my time, can I? Many, many years in this belief
• 1:24:12
  system, stepping away for a time, giving into a different
• 1:24:21
  worldview. Let me tell you, in terms of
• 1:24:25
  physical happiness, my days of rebellion against God, we're
• 1:24:34
  pretty great. I hear all this talk about
• 1:24:42
  chastisement proving whether or not you're saved, which just
• 1:24:46
  basically means whether or not you have bad experiences
• 1:24:49
  happened to you, which we all do.
• 1:24:50
  So I guess we're all saved or that's not what it means.
• 1:24:57
  I watch Christians it take these interpretations of scripture
• 1:25:07
  that fly in the face of just actual observed reality and
• 1:25:15
  think that this claim of faith suspending disbelief in the
• 1:25:25
  perceptually impossible. They just adopt it and hold on
• 1:25:33
  to it and think that somehow they have a higher virtue than
• 1:25:40
  other people because they have suspended disbelief in a
• 1:25:43
  particular factoid. I don't like that God that has
• 1:25:55
  inspired that to be a thing. What if that is the true God?
• 1:26:02
  And maybe this is really boils down to where I'm sitting right
• 1:26:05
  now. What if we're all fucking wrong?
• 1:26:12
  You know, you all, you guys all sit there and be like, well, the
• 1:26:15
  Bible says I can know I'm saved. There's a whole bunch of people
• 1:26:20
  that were standing in front of Jesus in Matthew 723 that
• 1:26:24
  believed they were saved. Isaac can't be saved because
• 1:26:28
  Isaac can't be corrected by anyone external.
• 1:26:31
  We just can't softly hard, can't do it.
• 1:26:34
  His spirit is hard. He believes he hasn't figured
• 1:26:39
  out, he has ignored scripture. He's defied scripture, claims to
• 1:26:45
  be unrighteousness, contradicts himself, claims to be inspired
• 1:26:47
  by the Holy Spirit. Makes no sense.
• 1:26:51
  Isaac is one of the most blatant flock frauds of faith that I've
• 1:26:54
  come across, and probably since SFB module.
• 1:26:57
  Honestly. Some of you guys remember him.
• 1:27:00
  He's been following the channel for a while.
• 1:27:08
  Guys, want an atheist argument? Remind me to go into the closet
• 1:27:16
  and blow the dust off of some of the old Smokey atheist arguments
• 1:27:22
  and see how you fucks handle it. My spirit battles with us a
• 1:27:36
  little bit. I won't lie, I could.
• 1:27:44
  I could shipwreck so much faith. I could be.
• 1:27:49
  I could put stuff out there that most of you couldn't dare even
• 1:27:54
  think of contending with an any logical level, and I could
• 1:27:56
  defend it. I can run circles around you.
• 1:28:01
  I can embarrass you and shame you.
• 1:28:08
  Who's going to take the blame? Who's going to point the finger
• 1:28:16
  at who now? Right, Because Spider couldn't
• 1:28:20
  be Spider's fault. So now who's going to take the
• 1:28:24
  blame for Smokey hating Christianity?
• 1:28:35
  See at least. See, unlike Isaac, who does not
• 1:28:39
  follow Scripture and defies scripture by failing to provide
• 1:28:43
  for his family, by failing to understand and heed its warnings
• 1:28:47
  and instructions about where the work of the Holy Spirit is and
• 1:28:52
  the power of the body of Christ and the essentiality of wearing
• 1:28:55
  the whole armor, I guess it just matters to me,
• 1:29:11
  right? I'm in this position.
• 1:29:16
  A good number of various people in this community.
• 1:29:20
  And keep in mind this isn't really just them.
• 1:29:22
  I left a long list down there in the in the description of this
• 1:29:27
  video of the people that I could honestly give at least solid
• 1:29:31
  credit to helping me reach this point.
• 1:29:40
  But that's not even all of them. I've been at this over 30 years.
• 1:29:46
  Ever since my youth I had a thirst for knowledge of God and
• 1:29:52
  my youth was dedicated to God as a baby by one of the most famous
• 1:29:57
  pastors in the world. A true, loving man of God who
• 1:30:04
  was the type that would sweep up his own church, that would
• 1:30:09
  invite congregation over to his house for dinner.
• 1:30:17
  The people that came after him, his successors didn't have his
• 1:30:20
  virtue. Isn't that amazing?
• 1:30:27
  You look at someone who has one of the most incredibly virtuous,
• 1:30:36
  servant based, wholly dedicated walks with God and at the end
• 1:30:48
  they make it a completely uninspired, heinous,
• 1:30:55
  destructive, cataclysmic decision and they leave their
• 1:31:01
  flock, the garbage shepherds. And you look at their life and
• 1:31:07
  you see so much fruit and virtue and beauty, and then right at
• 1:31:13
  the tail end and they hand it off to its destruction.
• 1:31:24
  So many of these groups and institutions and churches, they
• 1:31:31
  just seemed almost their soul, their spirit dies as soon as
• 1:31:37
  their leader does. Maybe that's just the way of
• 1:31:46
  things, maybe it's pre programmed in, I don't know.
• 1:31:51
  I do know this none of you would even care to love me enough to
• 1:31:59
  think that you could even argue with me.
• 1:32:00
  Pretty much most of you would abandoned and leave.
• 1:32:03
  You'll maybe put some effort in to make yourself look somewhat
• 1:32:06
  virtuous amongst your peers. But you know, let's face it,
• 1:32:10
  none of you give a shit. I've seen the value of the
• 1:32:14
  Christian virtue ethic. I've seen the value in its
• 1:32:17
  practical application. I know it's not here.
• 1:32:23
  I know it's not slander, attacks, deception, lies and
• 1:32:34
  moral judgement, inability to follow Scripture, all of these
• 1:32:38
  things. Here's the thing.
• 1:32:39
  I right now, today, I hate Isaac.
• 1:32:41
  I hate a good number of you today, actually.
• 1:32:46
  I think Isaac kind of helps, you know, feel like you get 1 little
• 1:32:50
  hole, you know, in the dike where it's kind of that last
• 1:32:52
  little straw that breaks the camel's back and starts a leak.
• 1:32:55
  And the water flows through and starts eroding more and more of
• 1:32:59
  the wall. And before you know it,
• 1:33:03
  floodgates are open, just needled away just exactly the
• 1:33:09
  right way. Is this ordained?
• 1:33:11
  Of course it is, right? This is ordained to the greater
• 1:33:16
  will of God if you're a Christian believer, right?
• 1:33:19
  All of this is will say that God ordains all these things to his
• 1:33:24
  greater good. So all this is ordained meant to
• 1:33:31
  be, right? Beckel?
• 1:33:33
  I mean, after all, Beckel, it's not you know what to me, is it?
• 1:33:39
  You know, it's not up to me if I believe.
• 1:33:43
  It's not up to me if I stay in the faith.
• 1:33:45
  That's that's up to God. Not even for Vekl and Chill.
• 1:33:49
  There's not even worth them arguing for me.
• 1:33:51
  They can't do a damn thing about it.
• 1:33:56
  They got to pray to their God and hope he regenerates my heart
• 1:33:59
  so that I can believe. Oh, good.
• 1:34:05
  Bruce is here, and we should go hunting for Bruce's Jesus,
• 1:34:10
  whatever the fuck that is, living in his rundown hovel with
• 1:34:14
  appealing wallpaper. You want to know a problem?
• 1:34:26
  It's kind of comical, but it is a problem.
• 1:34:30
  I think it's a real problem for Christianity, actually.
• 1:34:37
  It's a problem of justice. It's a problem of injustice.
• 1:34:42
  And maybe you guys can chew on this for a minute.
• 1:34:43
  I'm about to let people into the room and say what they want to
• 1:34:48
  say. Link is in the side.
• 1:34:49
  It's in the description. Anyone can pop in and say
• 1:34:51
  whatever the fuck they want. Yeah.
• 1:35:03
  See, this is the type of shit I get.
• 1:35:06
  It is just all the time. By the way, you know, how many
• 1:35:09
  of you there? It's like, oh, smile OK, you
• 1:35:11
  know, so not big of a deal. You know, how about you guys get
• 1:35:15
  attacked, slandered and defamed all over the place every single
• 1:35:22
  day non-stop and see if it wears at you at all.
• 1:35:27
  Sit, do it for years. Do it for years and keep the
• 1:35:33
  faith and maintain and keep your resolve and push through it.
• 1:35:39
  Try and lean on the few friends and family that you have that
• 1:35:42
  are willing to support you and stick with you.
• 1:35:44
  But but stick through it right? Give it a go.
• 1:35:47
  Be effective for once in your worthless fucking existence as
• 1:35:52
  to where you could actually get enough attention to know what
• 1:35:57
  something like that feels like and do it for years and years
• 1:36:03
  and years. See how it works.
• 1:36:10
  See how you feel. Test the resolve of your
• 1:36:15
  so-called faith in this virtuous God that has created all of
• 1:36:20
  this. Fuck you, Block that bitch.
• 1:36:45
  See, you have a unique situation with me now.
• 1:36:52
  It's not like I was an atheist disliking Christians and then
• 1:36:58
  was a Christian disliking atheists.
• 1:37:03
  Something else. Now I hate all of you, atheist
• 1:37:09
  and Christian alike. And the shitty thing about that
• 1:37:12
  is, if that is true, and that's actually what's in my heart
• 1:37:14
  right now after all of this weight that's been placed on me,
• 1:37:21
  then I can't claim to be part of the faith.
• 1:37:23
  I'm not going to be a hypocrite piece of shit like Isaac trying
• 1:37:26
  to twist scripture to make me be OK with God.
• 1:37:29
  No, I'm not going to be dishonest about it.
• 1:37:32
  I hate all of you alike. And so here we are, and I can't
• 1:37:41
  claim the faith. I'm called to love my fellow
• 1:37:43
  man, Forgive my fellow man. This whole community has
• 1:37:48
  certainly tested that 70 * 7 fucking bullshit in the gospels,
• 1:37:52
  isn't it? Y'all really wanted to test the
• 1:37:56
  outer limits of that motherfucker, didn't you?
• 1:38:03
  Well I'm not God and even God has a limit.
• 1:38:10
  How much shit you want to? How much slanderous untrue shit
• 1:38:14
  you want to shovel at me from so-called believers?
• 1:38:18
  You want to keep me quiet, keep me from debating, keep me from
• 1:38:21
  defending the Christian faith from attackers, both Muslim and
• 1:38:25
  atheists alike. You don't want me to use those
• 1:38:29
  gifts and you claim to serve God trying to keep me quiet, keep me
• 1:38:32
  de platformed from debates and channels and I've still overcome
• 1:38:37
  that. Had been welcome on many
• 1:38:38
  channels and other environments. Just want to make excuses to run
• 1:38:42
  away. Gangster ghost Environment just
• 1:38:45
  wants to make excuses to run away.
• 1:38:47
  That's fine. I'm not going to start anything
• 1:38:51
  with gangster ghost. I will say this, your entire
• 1:38:53
  panel are a bunch of fucking shit bags except for Sandman.
• 1:38:57
  Sandman's never once been cross or attacking with me at all.
• 1:39:02
  Orthodox man. And as far as I've seen, very
• 1:39:05
  virtuous. In fact, actually, you know,
• 1:39:08
  funny to me in terms of testimony to actually really
• 1:39:12
  consider as part of this dynamic is that it's almost coincidental
• 1:39:16
  that it seems like the Eastern Orthodox or those within that
• 1:39:21
  general group over there seem to do a pretty darn good job at
• 1:39:24
  actually maintaining some semblance of true consistent
• 1:39:28
  Christian ethics. Understanding virtue and vice
• 1:39:31
  and higher good positive commands over negative commands.
• 1:39:35
  All of these types of intrinsic essential moral standards that
• 1:39:39
  Christians are expected to lean into and understand that the
• 1:39:42
  Holy Spirit has guided them to know, whether it be through
• 1:39:44
  teaching or tradition or book or practice, they are taught this
• 1:39:50
  on its way. Even Daniel pulled back and
• 1:39:53
  apologized to me for the things that he had said and
• 1:39:56
  participating in it and trying to silence me and get me kicked
• 1:39:59
  off channels. He apologized.
• 1:40:00
  It's Orthodox. Jay Dyer and Andrew Wilson are
• 1:40:07
  very potent in their own field, but I just can't get with their
• 1:40:10
  version of orthodox this new thing that has emerged.
• 1:40:14
  Appreciate you, Lena, Good to see you, sister.
• 1:40:21
  And they do just want a needle at me.
• 1:40:23
  I mean, this is really what it is.
• 1:40:24
  It's what it's been this whole time is I had this environment.
• 1:40:27
  I tell these people, I said come in and confront me, have a
• 1:40:29
  debate, have an interaction. What do they do?
• 1:40:31
  They run away. Is my fucking Discord messaging?
• 1:40:38
  Whoever the fuck is messaging me on Discord, can you stop?
• 1:40:41
  Motherfuck? You know you can't even close
• 1:40:46
  this thing on this computer. I will exit out of the app and
• 1:40:48
  it'll still make that fucking noise because there's just no
• 1:40:51
  way to close the motherfucker. God damn Discord.
• 1:40:58
  There's a way to mute this. I know there's a way to mute
• 1:41:00
  this. How do I mute that God damn
• 1:41:07
  noise? Oh, now it's just going to go
• 1:41:10
  into some sort of blank screen that I can't do anything with.
• 1:41:14
  That's lovely. That's outstanding.
• 1:41:17
  God damn discord. I'm I'm about ready to just take
• 1:41:22
  it off the whole just take it off the whole computer to me.
• 1:41:26
  I'll just have it on my phone. I I don't, I don't even think I
• 1:41:29
  need to have it. Yeah, well, the whole screen
• 1:41:33
  just went black, so I had to exit out of it.
• 1:41:35
  I'll probably have to go back in in a minute.
• 1:41:37
  I you know what I'll fix? You know what I'll do is I'll
• 1:41:39
  stop sharing the screen. That'll fix it.
• 1:41:41
  That's something I can do. There we go.
• 1:41:44
  At least then you shouldn't be able to hear it anymore.
• 1:41:53
  It is non-stop, by the way, all the time.
• 1:41:56
  I hope you guys know that. I know most of you don't get
• 1:42:02
  that by the way. Like I mean, what do you do?
• 1:42:05
  You show up in side chats, keyboard warrior and bitch and
• 1:42:08
  moan and whine and make challenges and run away and just
• 1:42:12
  assert things and don't leave any arguments and just run away.
• 1:42:16
  Just playing your team sports. What what?
• 1:42:17
  What are you? You hear this shit?
• 1:42:24
  I had to turn notifications. I only recently turned the
• 1:42:26
  notifications back on so I wouldn't miss things.
• 1:42:31
  It is non-stop. And if it's not that it's e-mail
• 1:42:37
  or fucking even Facebook Messenger these days.
• 1:42:39
  I comments, you know, I dedicate a lot of time to it too, out of
• 1:42:47
  a a sense of hope and pride that somehow this is doing some sort
• 1:42:52
  of good, even if I can't actually see it or is exposed to
• 1:42:56
  me that I've done it. Have that every day for years.
• 1:43:15
  Do that and tell me how you will handle constant betrayal,
• 1:43:22
  backstabbing, gossiping, deception, lies, slander,
• 1:43:28
  attacks, attempts to get you deplatform, silence, unable to
• 1:43:32
  speak, unable to debate, unable to use the gifts that you feel
• 1:43:36
  that God has called you to use by a bunch of people, claiming
• 1:43:40
  to be brothers and sisters, trying to keep a fellow servant
• 1:43:42
  from doing the work that his master has called him to do, and
• 1:43:44
  you're going to claim to be righteous.
• 1:43:46
  Fuck you, fuck you. I'm going to call yourself
• 1:43:50
  Christian. I think that's how that works.
• 1:43:56
  Who is your master? Bible says you only have one and
• 1:44:00
  one master. You love one and hate the other.
• 1:44:04
  So who do you serve when you're trying to silence people from
• 1:44:07
  using their gifts? So why not, right?
• 1:44:13
  What am I? What?
• 1:44:14
  What? What exactly am I bringing
• 1:44:16
  people over to? Exactly?
• 1:44:18
  What? What do you think?
• 1:44:19
  What what what is this? Is this a place I should convert
• 1:44:23
  atheists to come over to all this horseshit?
• 1:44:26
  It's not a bad not a bad
• 1:44:39
  recommendation. Then.
• 1:44:40
  I always appreciate you, sister. Thank you for stopping in.
• 1:44:54
  I don't care if you guys are sitting on the back and you
• 1:44:56
  don't like it and you don't want to wait to leave, I'm going to
• 1:45:03
  take my time with this. You know the shitty thing about
• 1:45:14
  Isaac? Again, this is God creating a
• 1:45:16
  just reality, right? You got certain people in this
• 1:45:20
  community that do some really heinous horrible shit.
• 1:45:25
  Evil shit, evil judgments, evil actions, you name it.
• 1:45:30
  Try to suppress work of Holy Spirit, claim to be righteous
• 1:45:32
  while doing so. All sorts of evil disgusting
• 1:45:37
  nonsense, demonic heresies floating around.
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  And they want to silence and crush anyone trying to contend
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  or fight for the truth that represents the truth.
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  Because it's just not their flavor and the best thing they
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  can do since they can't fight it or defeat it is to try and
• 1:45:53
  silence it. And this is this is what I get
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  most of the time from all of these so-called profession
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  Christians. What am I going to bring them
• 1:46:07
  over to folks? The fuck would I want to convert
• 1:46:12
  an atheist to come over to this bullshit Where?
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  Oh hey atheist, by the way, Christians have better ethics
• 1:46:19
  and virtues than you. Come over to the side with a
• 1:46:23
  bunch of lying, back biting, backstabbing, deception,
• 1:46:27
  slander, nonsense, inconsistency, heresy,
• 1:46:31
  arrogance, hypocrisy. Come over to our side.
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  It's much better than over there.
• 1:46:40
  I've seen people get treated better in Satanist communities
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  and I'm not even lying. What in the fuck is Christian
• 1:46:52
  virtue worth? What's it worth?
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  Do any of you even know what it is?
• 1:47:05
  I bet honestly, and I do mean this, I bet just about every
• 1:47:13
  fucking one of you in this room and just about everyone in view
• 1:47:17
  in that side chat has no clue what Christian objective
• 1:47:23
  morality actually even is. I'd almost guarantee it.
• 1:47:31
  You're the type of dumb cunts that would say it's wrong to
• 1:47:37
  lie. So don't lie to the Nazi
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  soldiers when they're coming up to ask if you have shoes under
• 1:47:45
  your floorboards. You have to always tell the
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  truth, so you better hand over those filthy dirty rotten rat
• 1:47:59
  Jews to the gas chambers and executions.
• 1:48:03
  That's the Christian moral virtue, right?
• 1:48:08
  You can't lie. Shit, human beings like you make
• 1:48:20
  the world the worst place and the most disgusting thing about
• 1:48:23
  it is that you do it in the name of Christ.
• 1:48:24
  And I don't want any part of that shit anymore.
• 1:48:32
  I don't need it. He doesn't want to deal with the
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  problem of retards. Yeah, it's a real argument.
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  That's a real anti Christian argument.
• 1:48:47
  The problem of retards. You have retards that are out
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  there that are not only low intelligence, but extremely
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  immoral and do a bunch of horrible shit.
• 1:49:00
  They're not accountable. They're not all up there.
• 1:49:04
  They're covered by common grace. So they cause harm on top of
• 1:49:08
  harm on top of harm that cannot be punished because God and his
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  justice can't hold them accountable for what they've
• 1:49:15
  done. So they will never be punished.
• 1:49:19
  And so the just God, the perfectly just God got a perfect
• 1:49:23
  justice, has intentionally created a reality where retards
• 1:49:27
  exist who will do horrible, heinous, destructive, foul,
• 1:49:31
  awful things and never answer for it.
• 1:49:35
  This is your God of justice, Christians, Can any of you
• 1:49:38
  answer that? It's a little bit of a comical
• 1:49:47
  one. It's not that serious.
• 1:49:50
  That's it's a tiny one out of my salvo.
• 1:49:57
  Think any of you could answer it?
• 1:49:59
  Explain to me what perfect justice even is.
• 1:50:06
  Come on, aren't there any righteous Holy Spirit filled
• 1:50:12
  apologists out there? I could take on some of my
• 1:50:19
  arguments, maybe even the light ones, things that I cooked in a
• 1:50:26
  car with Kenny for over a month that even he couldn't answer,
• 1:50:36
  You know, You guys know Kenny is being an incredible Christian
• 1:50:39
  apologist. You all fucking destroyed him
• 1:50:41
  too. And you'll gloat over it,
• 1:50:45
  Christians. Never virtuous of the most
• 1:50:53
  important of times, Kenny and I would discuss
• 1:51:09
  arguments that Christians wouldn't be able to answer, that
• 1:51:13
  2000 years of Christianity haven't been able to really
• 1:51:17
  sufficiently answer what the point is that really at the end
• 1:51:25
  of the day, you're going to go whichever direction you choose
• 1:51:30
  to go. You're going to entertain which
• 1:51:33
  evidence you want to entertain. You're going to lean in the
• 1:51:36
  direction that strokes your emotion and your logic in just
• 1:51:41
  the right way. You're going to lean with it
• 1:51:45
  because you want to. Most of you don't dare tread in
• 1:51:55
  deep waters of theology or philosophy, or really spend any
• 1:51:58
  time considering any of this stuff.
• 1:52:00
  And maybe for the for many of you, that might be for the best.
• 1:52:04
  The deeper in the water you go, the more likely you can be to
• 1:52:08
  drown. Let the free gracers embrace me
• 1:52:15
  as a brother atheist. Let's let's test their resolve
• 1:52:20
  to the consistency of their religion.
• 1:52:25
  Once saved, always saved. Unless getting saved is so
• 1:52:31
  complicated that I couldn't figure it out in 30 years of
• 1:52:34
  studying theology. You guys say it's so easy and
• 1:52:38
  simple to figure out and decide on and believe, and then you
• 1:52:42
  turn it into something that's so God damn complex and impossible
• 1:52:46
  that even people that have studied it for decades just
• 1:52:49
  can't get it. But you got it.
• 1:52:52
  Many of you got it. You know, Isaac was, you know,
• 1:52:56
  Isaac said something so amazing in terms of his pure absolute
• 1:53:00
  stupidity. He said within the last couple
• 1:53:05
  days since he adopted free grace, he finally felt the
• 1:53:09
  presence of the Holy Spirit, finally felt the Holy Spirit
• 1:53:11
  come and baptize him, and he's in the Holy Spirit.
• 1:53:17
  So by what spirit was he judging me by a week ago that he called
• 1:53:20
  the Holy Spirit? I don't know, Maybe you can
• 1:53:24
  figure it out. You all want to read hearts.
• 1:53:31
  You all want to engage in Cartesian knowledge.
• 1:53:34
  You don't want to tell me you know shit.
• 1:53:35
  You don't know anything. None of you know Dick.
• 1:53:44
  Most of you don't even know the basics of Christian rowdy.
• 1:53:46
  Most of you don't even know the Bible.
• 1:53:49
  I mean most of you haven't even read it.
• 1:53:50
  You just started watching YouTube videos.
• 1:53:53
  Just invent shit. Just invent shit.
• 1:53:55
  You just come up with shit and you spew it out there like, well
• 1:54:00
  it must come from the Holy Spirit.
• 1:54:02
  No, it could from come from your stupid retard unlurred,
• 1:54:05
  uneducated fucking ass backwards inbred fucking brain.
• 1:54:09
  Could have come from there too. Not everything you dumb cunts
• 1:54:14
  speak is from the Holy Spirit, especially if it's contradicting
• 1:54:18
  and nonsensical. I think God's smarter than that.
• 1:54:23
  You don't know Dick, none of us really do.
• 1:54:34
  But y'all act like you just got all the knowledge in the world
• 1:54:36
  but because you believe in God. What fucking higher tier do you
• 1:54:40
  think that gives you epistemologically?
• 1:54:43
  How do you know you followed the right epistemological pathway to
• 1:54:45
  actually get to anything that is truthful?
• 1:54:52
  What's your axiom? What's your groundwork?
• 1:54:56
  Which prong of the Munchausen's trilemma do you appeal to, or do
• 1:54:59
  you think you've discovered a fourth?
• 1:55:02
  Are you going to muddle ontology and epistemology to try and
• 1:55:06
  force some nonsense horseshit argument?
• 1:55:20
  This is this thing about, you know, narrow path.
• 1:55:23
  I got an issue with the narrow path too.
• 1:55:25
  I was just righteous and just, I mean, even the free gracers make
• 1:55:30
  it super fucking complicated. And you got all these other
• 1:55:36
  denominations and groups and here you are left out here to
• 1:55:39
  meander it yourself. And what's the command of
• 1:55:41
  scripture? Well, to lean on the Holy
• 1:55:42
  Spirit. The Holy Spirit doesn't just
• 1:55:43
  work by some fucking talking voice in your head, it's in the
• 1:55:49
  work of the church and the fellow brothers.
• 1:55:51
  What does Isaac do? Well, Isaac runs to the fucking
• 1:55:56
  robot. Isaac just suddenly decides to
• 1:55:58
  stop trusting me and then runs to the robot, asks the robot to
• 1:56:00
  judge me, and then goes with what the robot says.
• 1:56:02
  Shows thee trust the robot more than a spirit filled believer in
• 1:56:05
  Christ. And he's going to call that
• 1:56:06
  virtuous and righteous and led by God.
• 1:56:09
  Because everything Isaac does is led by God, including judging
• 1:56:12
  people by a robot. I don't want your God.
• 1:56:18
  I don't right now. I don't want anything to do with
• 1:56:20
  any of your gods. And you all got some fucking
• 1:56:22
  different one. At this point.
• 1:56:25
  I've delved deep enough in the ocean of all this bullshit.
• 1:56:30
  I've seen what you all have to offer.
• 1:56:32
  At some level, it's just nonsense.
• 1:56:34
  Thank you, Clay. Appreciate that.
• 1:56:36
  Lovely. So I'm going to take a little
• 1:56:43
  break. I'm going to bring everyone in
• 1:56:44
  the room. You guys can talk for a minute
• 1:56:47
  and no, you can ask me questions right away and I don't give a
• 1:56:52
  shit if you like it or not. But you can all come in and you
• 1:56:55
  can start engaging in a little bit of conversation with each
• 1:56:58
  other while I excuse myself to be customer beverage and kisses
• 1:57:07
  to my wife. So I will be right back.
• 1:57:09
  OK, I have something I have to say.
• 1:57:15
  I have written something out here that I kind of want to
• 1:57:18
  read. Their call, I see how hurt you
• 1:57:31
  are by this. Their call.
• 1:57:34
  I see how hurt you are by this and their call.
• 1:57:40
  I definitely feel your pain. I have struggled in the past by
• 1:57:53
  not telling the truth when people wanted me to tell the
• 1:58:00
  truth. It's been documented on the
• 1:58:03
  Internet over and over again how much a liar I am.
• 1:58:09
  And I guess, I guess we are all sinners in the end.
• 1:58:25
  I think this week has been one of the most difficult weeks in
• 1:58:33
  my search for God where I have seen people attacking Karl
• 1:58:43
  because that is his name. Over and over again.
• 1:58:48
  I have seen him taking it upon him to be crucified for other
• 1:58:59
  people's sin. I have seen that people have
• 1:59:05
  used Karl in the way that I find not only disgusting, disgraceful
• 1:59:14
  and hateful, but it is also this heart of mine that I've seen
• 1:59:23
  that the reason why I hate Christians is because I have
• 1:59:31
  seen zero people coming to his aid.
• 1:59:36
  I'm not saying that people has not tried to help him.
• 1:59:39
  I know that Ryan has been there. I know that Shep has been there.
• 1:59:41
  I know that people has supported him.
• 1:59:45
  That's not what I'm saying, but make it very I'm going to make
• 1:59:51
  it clear that everybody's listening and this is no fucking
• 1:59:56
  lie. I really don't understand.
• 2:00:09
  How I am supposed to believe in a God that treats someone the
• 2:00:21
  way the gods of Isaac, people like Mack and people even that I
• 2:00:29
  have loved for a loved long time like love to love God.
• 2:00:36
  Oh, sorry. I never thought it would come to
• 2:00:45
  this, I never thought we would be here, but all you pointing
• 2:00:54
  fucking fingers at one of the best people I have ever met,
• 2:00:59
  that has been nothing but fucking gracious to you.
• 2:01:05
  No wonder he's struggling with fate.
• 2:01:11
  No wonder he's struggling with finding his way.
• 2:01:17
  There was this story that I heard when I was looking for
• 2:01:21
  Christianity that a guy was standing on the top of his roof
• 2:01:29
  when the flood was going on and he was praying to God that he
• 2:01:36
  needed help as someone in the boat come by and asked, hey, do
• 2:01:41
  you want to jump on this boat? And then he said, no, I'm OK,
• 2:01:46
  God will save me. Then the helicopter comes along
• 2:01:51
  and say, jump on this line, we will help you.
• 2:01:55
  But then he said, no, I am. I trust in God.
• 2:02:02
  Hello. Is it working?
• 2:02:03
  When he died, he went to heaven and he said, oh, thank God, it's
• 2:02:09
  working. Shut up, new me, I'm just
• 2:02:14
  testing my mic here. And he said to Christ, why did I
• 2:02:20
  die? I Jesus said, I sent a boat and
• 2:02:26
  I sent a helicopter. What were you were you thinking?
• 2:02:31
  Well now I'm seeing someone standing on the roof shouting
• 2:02:37
  help me now who the fuck will come with the boat?
• 2:02:42
  Satan. Satan is going to come help him,
• 2:02:44
  don't worry. Shut the fuck up to me.
• 2:02:49
  Who the fuck will come with a helicopter and who is going to
• 2:02:55
  help Carl out of this? I have much more I wanted to
• 2:03:02
  say, but this is what I wrote down.
• 2:03:06
  I really do think that you need to stop pointing fingers at
• 2:03:17
  smoking and look yourself in the fucking mirror.
• 2:03:21
  That's all I have to say. Thank you for that.
• 2:03:24
  Amen. Not exactly.
• 2:03:26
  I. Let me say this, all right?
• 2:03:29
  I've been on this planet for almost 56 years.
• 2:03:34
  I got saved when I was 16, and when I got saved I considered
• 2:03:44
  myself a Christian by definition.
• 2:03:50
  I no longer define myself by a single word, but by terms I've
• 2:03:58
  never seen in my time. A good Christian there are no
• 2:04:08
  good Christians. I don't consider myself a
• 2:04:13
  Christian. I now consider myself a follower
• 2:04:17
  of Christ. Now you can say that Christian
• 2:04:20
  is that definition, but I would rather go by the definition than
• 2:04:24
  the actual word because the word can be manipulated and twisted
• 2:04:30
  meanings very seldom can be. People want to blame God for the
• 2:04:41
  problems in the world, for their own personal problems, their
• 2:04:46
  their social problems. And the truth is, and nobody
• 2:04:51
  seems to be able to swallow this, God's not at fault.
• 2:04:55
  We are. We're the cause of our own
• 2:04:59
  problems. And it's this free will that
• 2:05:10
  gives us this. It's a choice.
• 2:05:13
  We all make a choice, period. You, you know, there's an old
• 2:05:18
  song that says, you know, whether you make a choice or
• 2:05:20
  not, you've still made a decision.
• 2:05:25
  OK? We need to start looking at
• 2:05:29
  ourselves instead of the person next to us, OK, There's a lot of
• 2:05:38
  childish behavior going on, and a portion of it are these people
• 2:05:48
  who come in, who are they don't believe in anything greater than
• 2:05:56
  themselves, OK? Those are the people that pretty
• 2:06:02
  much will tell you who they are in the 1st 5 minutes of talking
• 2:06:05
  to them. And you should avoid those
• 2:06:08
  people. Don't avoid them in a way that
• 2:06:16
  cuts them off completely, but cut them off and continue to be
• 2:06:22
  an example. That's what we've called, you
• 2:06:26
  know, that's that's what we've been called to be is an example.
• 2:06:31
  And that's not by calling out others faults.
• 2:06:35
  That's by examining yourself, examining your own faults and
• 2:06:40
  working on them. And you do that with the help of
• 2:06:44
  others, by asking. This is a courtesy.
• 2:06:52
  Now Isaac wants to believe that the end all be all of what the
• 2:06:57
  Bible teaches us is righteousness.
• 2:07:01
  And I flat out refuse to believe that it's morality.
• 2:07:08
  God teaches us how to be moral that and and morality is making
• 2:07:14
  the choice between good and bad decisions.
• 2:07:19
  So in the end, it's accountability for yourself, for
• 2:07:26
  your own choices, and for your own actions.
• 2:07:30
  Now, all of this reminds me of when Jesus was helping Mary and
• 2:07:36
  a lot of people were picking up stones.
• 2:07:41
  So if you're perfect, go ahead, pick up your stone.
• 2:07:46
  If you're not, I would seriously consider the actions that you're
• 2:07:50
  about to commit and that you already have committed.
• 2:07:53
  I love Smokey. I know who he is, and I find
• 2:07:59
  human a very intelligent, caring human being.
• 2:08:05
  Now, if you're intimidated by that and you don't like it, oh,
• 2:08:09
  well, that's all I got. Can I say something?
• 2:08:23
  So yeah, I'm. I haven't been able to follow
• 2:08:26
  much lately, but I did get a quick debrief on it.
• 2:08:30
  And 1st Smokey, I wanted to say I'm sorry about everything
• 2:08:33
  that's been going on lately. I'm sure that's been really hard
• 2:08:35
  on you. I'm not going to pretend to
• 2:08:41
  fully understand it, but I understand what it's like to be
• 2:08:44
  falsely accused of something. I think I've told you that story
• 2:08:47
  before, haven't I? Yeah, it's really sad because
• 2:08:54
  it, it's really, this isn't Smokey, but I think Smokey said
• 2:08:57
  that he, he was going to take a break.
• 2:08:59
  But yeah, it's really sad because me and Smokey were
• 2:09:03
  having a great conversation last night on Dave's about, about
• 2:09:07
  scripture and, and, and we were, you know, studying scripture
• 2:09:10
  together. And then today I, I, I see the
• 2:09:13
  video title and I'm like, well, what happened?
• 2:09:18
  Or maybe something happened prior to us having that
• 2:09:21
  conversation. So, yeah, it's, it's sad.
• 2:09:24
  It it's sad to see people who claim to be Christians or
• 2:09:27
  followers of Jesus that don't even keep to the teachings that
• 2:09:31
  Jesus even taught. Yeah, I agree.
• 2:09:34
  And I'm not going to lie, you know, I've had my own struggles
• 2:09:38
  as well with other issues, you know, not just with defamation,
• 2:09:41
  but many others. We've all got our own personal
• 2:09:44
  stance to struggle with. But the question is, like you
• 2:09:46
  said, are you willing to own up to it?
• 2:09:49
  Because there's something I don't tell a lot of people here,
• 2:09:53
  but I used to go by logical Christian ministry, but I
• 2:09:59
  stopped going by that name because it's associated with a
• 2:10:04
  man that I was absolutely ashamed I had become, you know?
• 2:10:08
  And yeah. Yeah.
• 2:10:11
  You know, it's funny. A lot of people want to, you
• 2:10:14
  know, love their neighbor, as it says in Matthew 5, but a lot of,
• 2:10:18
  but a lot of people don't want to love their enemy.
• 2:10:21
  And while loving your enemy and, and if Smokey is your enemy,
• 2:10:26
  then and if you claim to be a Christian, then you should love
• 2:10:29
  on him anyway. And, and what does that mean?
• 2:10:32
  Well, that would be first Corinthians 13, which and, and,
• 2:10:35
  and what does it say love is? Well, it, it has many things,
• 2:10:38
  but one of them is has no record of wrongdoing.
• 2:10:42
  If you truly love someone, you, you hold no record of any
• 2:10:45
  wrongdoing that they have done to you.
• 2:10:48
  That's called, that's actual forgiveness.
• 2:10:51
  That's actual love. When when the two of you are
• 2:10:55
  done, I would like to have a turn.
• 2:10:58
  I get it. I'll try to make it quick.
• 2:11:01
  But actually this is something I'd rather wait for.
• 2:11:04
  Whenever Smokey's ready to talk again, I'll just wait for him.
• 2:11:09
  I am a man in a unique position because the same people, Bill
• 2:11:14
  Cuthbert, Rob Reed, the attorney at Law bar #180972GY6, AKA Brian
• 2:11:25
  Davis Brucifer, everyone knows about Teddy Bear.
• 2:11:29
  Brucifer and others have for five years slandered me as APDF
• 2:11:37
  file. I've had to put up with people
• 2:11:40
  approaching me because Rob Reed himself, despite in 2020 when he
• 2:11:45
  defended me initially from Thick Shade, Suck You Kim and Bill
• 2:11:49
  Cuthbert's attacks on a stream still on his channel called
• 2:11:53
  Silence Killed that kills the hate group boy that age well,
• 2:11:57
  right Rob? But they are still to this very
• 2:12:01
  day doing the same thing to me that they tried to do the Smokey
• 2:12:05
  St. Not only so, but recruiting me
• 2:12:08
  into that nonsense and trying to recruit anyone and everyone they
• 2:12:12
  possibly could. Rob has done a Bill type of
• 2:12:17
  situation. Bill does not, until recently,
• 2:12:21
  call people pedophiles directly. It's funny because since he's
• 2:12:25
  been slandering Dave Connell for so many years, he'll call Dave
• 2:12:29
  Connell privately APDF, but he won't say it publicly.
• 2:12:33
  Robbery does much the same thing because he spread a rumor around
• 2:12:37
  that my father sexually abused me, which, at least to me, did
• 2:12:41
  not happen. It may have happened to other
• 2:12:43
  people, allegedly. I cannot corroborate this.
• 2:12:48
  I understand to some level how Smokey feels on that front.
• 2:12:53
  I also know for a fact since like some of you here, I've been
• 2:12:56
  around for a long time and I remember the old Smokey St.
• 2:13:01
  channel, the old Smokey St. debates and things that Smokey
• 2:13:05
  did back in the day with logical, plausible, probable, or
• 2:13:09
  others where he made great contributions to the online
• 2:13:14
  Christian community. And almost every single one of
• 2:13:18
  those people from the old days, about 6 to 8 years ago, stabbed
• 2:13:24
  him in the back in some capacity or another, standing for truth,
• 2:13:28
  built his channel partly on the backs of people like Smokey, and
• 2:13:33
  then betrayed him. I also understand what Smokey's
• 2:13:38
  talking about to a certain degree because some idiot James
• 2:13:43
  opening the scroll, his introduction to me is I've
• 2:13:47
  called the FBI and filed a report on you without even
• 2:13:53
  looking into the situation. He then somewhat jumps into the
• 2:13:58
  same campaign. Matt go on to this girl and Ryan
• 2:14:01
  are are you bitching because somebody Brandon, I Brandon, I
• 2:14:06
  am going to give you I am going to give you 1 and one warning
• 2:14:09
  only. Go look up.
• 2:14:12
  It's called witness tampering. Now you can shut the fuck up and
• 2:14:17
  get the fuck out of my way. No, no, no, no, no.
• 2:14:20
  You're a clown show and what you did was absolutely illegal in
• 2:14:25
  every way, shape and form with Brandon.
• 2:14:27
  You need to, you need to desist. You need to desist now, Brandon,
• 2:14:32
  you, Brandon, you need to stop now.
• 2:14:36
  Whatever I want to do, my friend.
• 2:14:38
  OK? Want to try to come at me with
• 2:14:40
  any kind of legal action? Brandon, this is an ongoing OK?
• 2:14:46
  I'm I'm about Brandon. Brandon.
• 2:14:48
  Brandon. Brandon.
• 2:14:49
  Brandon. Brandon, make sure you not.
• 2:14:52
  Brandon. Hey, Brandon, shut up there.
• 2:14:56
  Can you hear us now? Brandon?
• 2:14:59
  Brandon. OK.
• 2:15:01
  Now would you appreciate it Brandon, that when it is your
• 2:15:04
  time to talk that you will get to do so with no interruptions?
• 2:15:08
  Would you appreciate that courtesy?
• 2:15:11
  Well, I mean, he sounds like he's ready to cry.
• 2:15:13
  Do you want I answer the question when it is your turn to
• 2:15:19
  talk? Would you like me to provide the
• 2:15:24
  chance for you to talk uninterrupted due to some
• 2:15:29
  impatient desert dwelling cunt rat not willing to wait for
• 2:15:34
  someone to finish? Would you be willing to extend
• 2:15:38
  the courtesy to others in the room?
• 2:15:41
  Can you, for once in your wretched fucking existence,
• 2:15:46
  demonstrate some semblance of self fucking control and allow
• 2:15:53
  the courtesy that you yourself would appreciate being extended
• 2:15:58
  when it's your turn to talk? There I came on for a different
• 2:16:03
  reason, but yes. And I would point out the irony
• 2:16:07
  of the answer the question, cock sucker.
• 2:16:10
  I said yes, douchebag, then shut the fuck up.
• 2:16:17
  Thank you Smoking asked and answered.
• 2:16:19
  Ryan, you may continue. Thank you, Smoking.
• 2:16:23
  I have had to put up with a unique amount of slander and
• 2:16:27
  defamation from people. I've even had people tell me
• 2:16:31
  that I should get stitches and they don't know what happened.
• 2:16:36
  Nor can I legally discuss events that happened recently because
• 2:16:41
  it is an ongoing legal matter. And unlike some of you, like
• 2:16:45
  this attorney in California or apparently Brandon, I don't want
• 2:16:50
  to have to deal with obstruction of justice.
• 2:16:53
  So I'm going to finish my thought.
• 2:16:56
  I understand in a unique position how Smokey feels,
• 2:17:01
  especially with these newcomers sticking their feet into this
• 2:17:06
  slander campaign. They have no idea the history of
• 2:17:10
  Venius. They have no idea the kind of
• 2:17:13
  person Smokey is, and they are more than willing to throw out
• 2:17:17
  any kind of Christian virtue to just express fucking Christian
• 2:17:25
  virtue with me. Give me a break.
• 2:17:30
  You are one of the most delusional people I've ever met.
• 2:17:35
  You know, I'm trying to show support here to somebody who is
• 2:17:40
  apparently having a crisis of faith.
• 2:17:44
  This is the bottom line man, and I'm trying to come in and
• 2:17:47
  actually help him as a real brother.
• 2:17:49
  The big problem is you. You Brandon.
• 2:17:52
  You can wait until I have finished.
• 2:17:54
  Brandon. I am not having it with you
• 2:17:57
  today. How Smokey was going to disprove
• 2:18:00
  God to me. That's why I popped on.
• 2:18:02
  That was the purpose. But go ahead, let's hear it.
• 2:18:06
  You are an amoral sack of garbage and you can take that to
• 2:18:11
  the back. Total douchebag fucking 8 year
• 2:18:14
  old mental child. That's what you are.
• 2:18:16
  You're a man baby. You still don't get it dude.
• 2:18:19
  This isn't about a debate on God dude.
• 2:18:22
  This is about understanding where Smokey is coming from.
• 2:18:25
  Because not every person who stops believing is an awful
• 2:18:28
  person. There are sometimes where it's
• 2:18:30
  hard to blame them. Yes I don't yes, I'm not saying
• 2:18:33
  I like it that Smokey is has turned away at this point, but
• 2:18:37
  I'm trying to understand why because I'm not going to.
• 2:18:39
  I know exactly why I'm trying to help.
• 2:18:41
  I want to help Smokey. As much as he fucking treats me
• 2:18:44
  like shit, I there's still something in my heart.
• 2:18:48
  So. Well then shut up.
• 2:18:51
  You're not helping. How do you know I'm not helping?
• 2:18:54
  Maybe I could help. You're not helping at all.
• 2:18:57
  Could be clear for a moment. Just real quick.
• 2:19:00
  I'm happy to disprove that your God exists in less than 5
• 2:19:03
  minutes. However, it is appropriate to
• 2:19:06
  allow the flow of the room, for there's a lot of people that
• 2:19:09
  came in here that I'm sure have something to say that we're here
• 2:19:11
  longer than you. So again, I'm just wondering if
• 2:19:15
  you can show some virtue and courtesy because you're not
• 2:19:18
  exactly making a good impression to me.
• 2:19:20
  What the fuck do you think you're going to solve for me
• 2:19:22
  exactly? Your God doesn't even fucking
• 2:19:24
  exist. And and when we're ready, we're
• 2:19:26
  going to prove it. But the fact that you can't
• 2:19:29
  develop any semblance of patience at all over this?
• 2:19:34
  Do you have somewhere to be? Is there some old lady you're
• 2:19:37
  misunderstanding by funneling your bullshit fucking referral
• 2:19:41
  network? Am I taking you away from taking
• 2:19:44
  care of your ever decreasing number of dogs?
• 2:19:48
  No, I do have work to OK and shut the fuck up and wait your
• 2:19:52
  turn. That's fair, right?
• 2:19:55
  I'm trying. Yep, but this is hard to
• 2:19:57
  swallow. That's all.
• 2:19:58
  Good boy, shut the fuck up. Good.
• 2:20:01
  Proceed, gentlemen, please. I all I am attempting to state
• 2:20:05
  is that I can empathize with Smokey in a unique way, and that
• 2:20:09
  I, Smokey, I give you my solidarity no matter what the
• 2:20:13
  case is, because I get it. I also understand that Christ
• 2:20:18
  endured much the same thing, betrayed by all his apostles,
• 2:20:22
  falsely accused and died an innocent man in his mortal life.
• 2:20:27
  I don't know if that means that you are denied Christ entirely
• 2:20:31
  because there is a difference between Christ and Christianity.
• 2:20:36
  I don't know where you were at with that, but I can understand
• 2:20:39
  this. I think these newcomers are
• 2:20:42
  completely immoral people. That was the point I was driving
• 2:20:45
  at. What else was I going to say?
• 2:20:51
  I lost my train of thought since Brandon Irish does what Brandon
• 2:20:55
  Irish does. Let me think for just a second,
• 2:21:00
  I will be more than happy to show solidarity.
• 2:21:03
  Proverbs 18 verse 13. A man that has friends must show
• 2:21:07
  himself friendly and there's a friend who sticks closer than a
• 2:21:09
  brother. Furthermore, I also announce
• 2:21:13
  here and now that I will actually be in the state of
• 2:21:16
  Pennsylvania and I may have to interrupt my vacation plans
• 2:21:20
  because Brucifer will not stop cyberstalking me.
• 2:21:24
  So I may just have to go pay a visit to a lawyer in the state
• 2:21:27
  of Pennsylvania, not Rob Reed, who likes to practice outside of
• 2:21:31
  his jurisdiction, consult on whether or not I should do that.
• 2:21:35
  So I'll be taking those considerations since the cyber
• 2:21:39
  stalking is so very pervasive Now.
• 2:21:42
  I was going to finish my thought, but since Brandon has
• 2:21:45
  interrupted me then Oh well. I will address Brandon once and
• 2:21:50
  then whoever else wants to talk can talk.
• 2:21:53
  Brandon, I don't know what if you do and don't know, but this
• 2:21:57
  is now an ongoing legal matter outside of my hands, your hands,
• 2:22:05
  Smokey's hands, and I can't discuss it as such.
• 2:22:09
  You have made some comments Brandon, that you really
• 2:22:13
  shouldn't make. I would like to encourage you
• 2:22:17
  not to continue making those comments.
• 2:22:22
  OK, Well, whoever, wait a second, Brandon.
• 2:22:25
  Wait your damn turn in jail. Period.
• 2:22:31
  Wait your damn turn, you ignoramus.
• 2:22:37
  I think I speak for everyone saying that honestly.
• 2:22:41
  You need to stop making certain comments, Brandon, because
• 2:22:46
  honestly, I don't want to have to make a phone call to a
• 2:22:52
  certain law enforcement agency now.
• 2:22:56
  Whatever you need to do, Ryan, just keep digging that hole,
• 2:22:59
  buddy. OK, I know exactly who I'm
• 2:23:04
  calling back today. Go.
• 2:23:06
  Whoever wants to talk, go ahead. Give a fuck, Brandon.
• 2:23:10
  Oh, no, I'm scared. I was 1.
• 2:23:13
  I was wanting to wait until Smokey was listening because I
• 2:23:15
  think I have something that might help him out with, you
• 2:23:18
  know, everything that's been going on.
• 2:23:21
  Because you're right, a lot of times people are always willing
• 2:23:25
  to point the finger at everyone else and never willing to
• 2:23:27
  examine themselves. But I don't know, I don't think
• 2:23:31
  I've told you this story, Smokey.
• 2:23:32
  I mean, I've told you I was having a hard time with a few
• 2:23:36
  things a few years ago, right? I told you that, right?
• 2:23:47
  No. OK, let's let's get your stuff
• 2:23:51
  out. I'll be here for a second to
• 2:23:52
  listen. Go ahead.
• 2:23:53
  There's room for one more in the room.
• 2:23:54
  Someone just dropped out. I don't know who the fuck it is.
• 2:23:57
  Yeah, Remember, here's the thing.
• 2:23:59
  There's a lot of people that want to join this.
• 2:24:00
  The notification keeps coming up in the studios.
• 2:24:02
  For once, once we're kind of done talking, at least at a
• 2:24:06
  certain point, let's go ahead and bow out so other people can
• 2:24:08
  pop in. All right, I'll step out in that
• 2:24:10
  case. OK.
• 2:24:12
  I appreciate it. Thank you.
• 2:24:13
  All right, that's fine. OK, perfect.
• 2:24:16
  OK, we're good. All right.
• 2:24:18
  So anyways, you're not the only one who's had a hard time with
• 2:24:22
  faith. Like, I'm not going to say
• 2:24:24
  you're denying Christ or whatever.
• 2:24:25
  I don't know where you stand exactly, but you're not the only
• 2:24:28
  one who's had a hard time because I I went through a lot
• 2:24:31
  the last I through a lot 5 years ago.
• 2:24:34
  But what if I told you it was my own fault?
• 2:24:36
  Because the truth is when I was still logical Christian, I, I
• 2:24:43
  don't know if I'm allowed to say it on YouTube.
• 2:24:44
  I know I'm not allowed to say on TikTok so I'll spell it out.
• 2:24:47
  But I got addicted to PORN and I was hooked on it for six years
• 2:24:51
  and I got hooked on it until I was about 21, and that's when I
• 2:24:56
  finally got free. But in order for me to really
• 2:24:59
  get free from it, I had to lose a lot.
• 2:25:01
  My girlfriend found out about it and my best friends found out
• 2:25:07
  about it after she broke up with me.
• 2:25:10
  But The thing is, I've seen what addiction does to people and
• 2:25:14
  I've seen what how awful it is. And it actually made me do
• 2:25:17
  something that I thought I'd never do.
• 2:25:19
  But I'll only tell you if you all promise not to judge me
• 2:25:24
  because I'm not proud of it and it's hard to well, here's the
• 2:25:28
  thing. Chaos.
• 2:25:29
  I would, I'd tell you what, if you want to share that, let's
• 2:25:32
  put that to Discord or something else.
• 2:25:33
  I don't want you putting that out here.
• 2:25:35
  And whatever it is, just put it. Just put it on discord.
• 2:25:39
  It you're not Ryan might call the cops on you.
• 2:25:42
  Let me be. Oh, no, it's not like that.
• 2:25:44
  I I very much promise that none of you in this room are going to
• 2:25:49
  have the ability to change my mind.
• 2:25:51
  I pretty much can near absolutely guarantee you not
• 2:25:55
  even really anyone in this chat probably or really anyone we
• 2:25:58
  agree on something. What do you know?
• 2:26:01
  Because you know why? You know, it's just it's just to
• 2:26:05
  your fucking detriment, by the way, because you know, part of
• 2:26:08
  my big issue here is the fact that I don't see the Holy Spirit
• 2:26:11
  in any of these motherfuckers that claim Christ.
• 2:26:13
  Really ultimately at the end of the day, in terms of like the
• 2:26:17
  body, what does the body do? You know, this is the most
• 2:26:19
  fucked up body I've ever seen in my entire fucking life.
• 2:26:22
  You know, you got fucking hands trying to stab feet.
• 2:26:25
  You got, you know, fucking your knees, hitting foreheads.
• 2:26:28
  You got elbows, you know, smashing around and banging
• 2:26:31
  doorways. You got fucking forearms.
• 2:26:34
  Shot the fuck off, Brandon. Real quick shot.
• 2:26:39
  I don't give them all, Brandon. The way you fucking come at me
• 2:26:43
  and all, Brandon, I fucking promise.
• 2:26:45
  Hey, Brandon, shut up when he says shut up.
• 2:26:49
  I'm the bouncy. I swear to you, shut up.
• 2:26:53
  I promise you Brandon, I guarantee you Brandon, right
• 2:26:57
  now, in front of the ever possible yet seemingly non
• 2:27:02
  fucking existent God, I promise right now you're the last
• 2:27:06
  fucking person in this whole God damn world that's going to
• 2:27:10
  convince me of shit. I'm only hoping to drop a seed,
• 2:27:15
  baby. Well, you're not dropping
• 2:27:17
  anything. You're killing the seed.
• 2:27:19
  You know what you're dropping? You're dropping the serpent seed
• 2:27:21
  because the serpent had sex with even he passed it down to Jesus,
• 2:27:24
  according to you, and you got it too.
• 2:27:26
  So we don't want your seed from the serpent.
• 2:27:28
  So keep it. I'm just going to go.
• 2:27:30
  Can I talk? Can I message you later, Smokey,
• 2:27:33
  and tell you more about That's fine, dude, whatever.
• 2:27:36
  I'm not trying to convince you. I'm just trying to show you I
• 2:27:38
  understand where you're coming from.
• 2:27:39
  Even if I I get where you're coming from.
• 2:27:42
  Chaos, I apologize. I love you, buddy.
• 2:27:43
  I'm not, I'm just, I'm not, I'm not in that right headspace
• 2:27:47
  right now. I'm just, I don't know what else
• 2:27:48
  to tell you. Yeah, it's okay, I understand.
• 2:27:51
  Just go ahead and drop me. I'll go ahead.
• 2:27:53
  I'm not mad at you. I just just to be clear, I'm not
• 2:27:55
  like upset with you or anything. So I know you're not I know you
• 2:27:59
  just been going through a lot lately.
• 2:28:00
  I haven't really been able to follow closely because that's
• 2:28:03
  OK. Well, I know you're busy in New
• 2:28:04
  York school. I hope school goes well.
• 2:28:07
  It's really hard to get in because you always go live when
• 2:28:10
  I'm working and it's like it's like this was one of those times
• 2:28:13
  where it's like OK, I got to be here somehow.
• 2:28:16
  So anyways, but go ahead and drop me from now.
• 2:28:20
  You can, I'll let someone else come up.
• 2:28:22
  But you know, man, OK, I, I, I appreciate you, Chaos.
• 2:28:25
  Go ahead and message me Discord. You can on Facebook, but I don't
• 2:28:28
  check it as often. So Discord is about if you're
• 2:28:32
  still in the server. So all right, man, whatever
• 2:28:34
  happens, I may not necessarily like your choice, but I'm not
• 2:28:37
  going to condemn you for it, man.
• 2:28:39
  Well, well, that's at least some fucking semblance of tiny sliver
• 2:28:44
  of ray of light, of Christian virtue in this cesspit of
• 2:28:48
  bullshit. So thank you, Chaos, at least
• 2:28:50
  for that, right, because that's just that's what you got to do
• 2:28:53
  is you can say to someone you don't have to like their choice,
• 2:28:57
  but you should also not lie about it either.
• 2:28:58
  They're still right in a wrong way to be truthful.
• 2:29:01
  All right, I'll see you later. Take care, buddy.
• 2:29:03
  Thank you. No problem.
• 2:29:06
  So my question is, Smokey, I'm I'm sorry, I'm going to step
• 2:29:11
  down too. But Smokey, you have my phone
• 2:29:14
  number and that shows how much I trust you.
• 2:29:19
  I am here for you. And I have incredible amount of
• 2:29:24
  air space. So I love you, bud.
• 2:29:27
  I'll be around. I appreciate you, buddy.
• 2:29:30
  Have a good day. All right, there's really.
• 2:29:35
  I know all of you have been trying to get in.
• 2:29:37
  There's room again, So if you want to spot, take it now.
• 2:29:39
  OK, Who wants to go next? I guess I do.
• 2:29:43
  I do. Fine, Brandon, go ahead.
• 2:29:47
  Yeah, of course I do, because wow.
• 2:29:48
  Brandon said. That's what I just said.
• 2:29:50
  Brandon shot up. What?
• 2:29:52
  Brandon? OK, so why is it that you and
• 2:29:55
  Dave seem to constantly have these little episodes of faith
• 2:29:59
  and wanna, you know, blame all of maybe we were never saying
• 2:30:03
  everybody, maybe we were never saying.
• 2:30:05
  But the point is, is the point is, though, is you know, that's
• 2:30:09
  a problem that we should take a look at and and you know, this
• 2:30:13
  is where for you to help me look at what things I think about.
• 2:30:16
  Who the fuck are you? I'm just a brother.
• 2:30:19
  Leave her conspiracy under the sun.
• 2:30:20
  I'm, I'm, I'm, are you going to convince the see contract?
• 2:30:24
  I'm trying to help you. I'm I'm I'm out of love.
• 2:30:27
  I'm saying this is, Hey, man, I've noticed a pattern here with
• 2:30:30
  you having your ball go down and a guy pulls up in a fucking raft
• 2:30:34
  dinghy that's fucking sinking and says, here, let me help you
• 2:30:37
  out, Sir. Look, man, I know me.
• 2:30:43
  I'm just, I just thought, wait a minute.
• 2:30:44
  Let me just let me request a little clarification.
• 2:30:47
  Just a little clarification from Brandon.
• 2:30:50
  What's the problem again with me and Smokey?
• 2:30:52
  Be a little bit more specific because I need to review this.
• 2:30:54
  I don't even know what it is. Has anybody in the 10 years of
• 2:30:57
  fucking YouTube land ever heard me sit there and I don't know if
• 2:31:00
  they believe me anymore. It's everybody else's fault.
• 2:31:04
  Never, ever wait a minute, what's what's the problem with
• 2:31:09
  me and Smokey? Can you be specific?
• 2:31:11
  You guys have these episodes where you're battling with your
• 2:31:15
  faith. And this is because if you have
• 2:31:17
  not the doctrine of Christ, you have not God, if we don't,
• 2:31:21
  battling to our feet. So it sounds like we have faith.
• 2:31:24
  Do we have it or not? You have a wavering faith.
• 2:31:28
  So we have faith though, but it's wavering.
• 2:31:31
  Yeah. That's is that enough faith or
• 2:31:33
  do we need more than that? No, I'm serious.
• 2:31:37
  You better watch what you say to me right now because I'm on
• 2:31:40
  task. So do we have faith or not?
• 2:31:46
  That's do you. I mean, do you?
• 2:31:49
  Because right now you're saying, well, you're the one that's
• 2:31:51
  examining us. You're the one with all the
• 2:31:52
  answers you claim to know. Brandon.
• 2:31:55
  There's the problem, Brandon. What does James chapter one say?
• 2:31:59
  What does James Chapter 1 say exactly?
• 2:32:02
  What does it say? Go ahead.
• 2:32:03
  Yeah, pull. Pull it out.
• 2:32:05
  Let's hear it. We're not going to cut any
• 2:32:06
  quarters here. The news units on fucking
• 2:32:08
  OverDrive and you better watch out 'cause I ain't no dummy.
• 2:32:12
  I stood around here and act like I am sometime, but I'm going to
• 2:32:15
  pull on. You're not dumb right now, Dave.
• 2:32:19
  Dave, you're not dumb. We know so.
• 2:32:24
  So James Chapter 1 says count it all joy when you fall into
• 2:32:27
  diverse temptations for it is the trying of your faith.
• 2:32:31
  So what Smokey or, or what someone else might, might,
• 2:32:35
  might, might be going through could be a temptation and their
• 2:32:38
  faith could be, could be being tried right now.
• 2:32:41
  So yeah, I would say that they have faith.
• 2:32:44
  Yeah. I think what's happening, in my
• 2:32:46
  opinion, what is happening right now is, is Smokey is having a
• 2:32:51
  conflict of his. He has a very strong intellect,
• 2:32:54
  but he has a problem with his faith because, you know, no,
• 2:32:58
  there's no problem with his faith.
• 2:33:00
  That, that that's the issue. There's no issue with his faith.
• 2:33:04
  His faith is being tried right now.
• 2:33:06
  Doctrine. That's the difference.
• 2:33:07
  Doctrine. Yeah.
• 2:33:08
  Doctrine is always the issue here.
• 2:33:12
  You have not. Yeah, The Bible is very clear.
• 2:33:14
  If you don't have the doctrine of Christ, you have not the
• 2:33:17
  Father. You have not the Son.
• 2:33:20
  Hey, Brendan, let me ask you a question.
• 2:33:21
  How many people in the Bible wrestled with God?
• 2:33:25
  Jacob, would you say those same people have wavering faith?
• 2:33:31
  No, I don't. I don't.
• 2:33:33
  I don't see that. They just wrestle with God,
• 2:33:35
  right? They that that because they had
• 2:33:37
  so much faith, they had to fight them.
• 2:33:40
  What? I'm pointing.
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  Yeah. But if you're going to, if
• 2:33:42
  you're going to use that, if you're going to use that line of
• 2:33:44
  reasoning, you also have to admit that there's plenty of
• 2:33:47
  scriptures that point out the imperfection of the Saints
• 2:33:51
  within the church too. So.
• 2:33:52
  Which means that you're going to have the churches.
• 2:33:56
  See, I I've always said that within the one big problem with
• 2:34:00
  the church is that there's too many damn humans in it.
• 2:34:03
  That's the problem. And what do I mean by that?
• 2:34:06
  Yeah, there's there's there's humans in it.
• 2:34:08
  That's the only problem with the church.
• 2:34:10
  Oh, humanism. I got you.
• 2:34:11
  No, no, no, not humanism. Humans meaning that we are
• 2:34:15
  flawed creatures. You're always going to see
• 2:34:17
  somebody next to you in the Pew who you don't like, who you
• 2:34:20
  don't get along with or who's going to, you know, you know,
• 2:34:23
  bring you into situations such as what we see, you know, Smokey
• 2:34:27
  going through right now. Did you say, did you say I had
• 2:34:30
  these episodes, plural type thing of like departing the
• 2:34:35
  faith or something like that? Like, is that what you just said
• 2:34:38
  to me? Is there anyone else in the room
• 2:34:42
  or the side chat that can ever remember a time that I ever
• 2:34:45
  threatened or started? Not once.
• 2:34:48
  I was leaving the faith that you ever threatened.
• 2:34:50
  What? Not once.
• 2:34:52
  That's why I'm confused. Because this is.
• 2:34:55
  This is not this. Yeah, this is not.
• 2:34:57
  Well, that girl would have to believe.
• 2:35:00
  I would. Here we go.
• 2:35:01
  Here we go. After believing for 30 years,
• 2:35:04
  that's what. Here we go.
• 2:35:06
  Well, you are at the same time, I would say too, I'll come back
• 2:35:10
  and then it'll mean I actually was always saved and he won't
• 2:35:12
  know until the very end, which is why it's better, but he won't
• 2:35:16
  accept that. That's that's my position.
• 2:35:19
  So you'll reap what you'll sow issue is what we're having right
• 2:35:23
  now. I'm not Tucker.
• 2:35:25
  Tucker thinks that you can know who who saved them.
• 2:35:27
  I'm saying the Smokey is Smokey. You are the most uncordial
• 2:35:30
  motherfucker I've ever met. You fucking attack people just
• 2:35:34
  bam, the first night I ever even fucking met you, you just
• 2:35:40
  totally blasted me and I was just like what?
• 2:35:42
  You know, Brandon, The one thing I would hope, Brandon, I would
• 2:35:44
  hope that if you truly had been in business, as long as you say
• 2:35:47
  you haven't worked with as many people as you claim you have,
• 2:35:49
  and I certainly have as well. I think you would appreciate
• 2:35:53
  that. If you're any type of
• 2:35:55
  intelligent, which I get that you're not, but I'm assuming you
• 2:35:58
  were, just just bear with me, walk on my path for a minute.
• 2:36:02
  If that was the case, people in terms of their various walks of
• 2:36:06
  life, where they came from, their cultures, their views,
• 2:36:08
  their standpoints, all of these things would start to register
• 2:36:10
  with you. You'd get used to things that
• 2:36:12
  they like, they don't like, things that build confidence,
• 2:36:15
  trust, you know, things that, you know, reach out to them.
• 2:36:19
  You know, a way to almost be like a social chameleon in order
• 2:36:21
  to, you know, give a sense of empathy and connection for them
• 2:36:25
  to be willing to trust you and an activity and then to do your
• 2:36:29
  darnedest and your good ethics to treat them well with that
• 2:36:32
  trust that you've cultivated. And that's supposed to be what
• 2:36:35
  Christian businessmen should do. And at this stage in my life,
• 2:36:39
  Brandon, a lot of these people have become incredibly
• 2:36:42
  transparent to me. I get you guys and I can usually
• 2:36:48
  figure it out pretty quickly. Brandon, you, I know, are a man
• 2:36:53
  in the middle of a midlife crisis who has attempted to
• 2:36:55
  develop some sort of weird fringe crazy doctrine that only
• 2:36:59
  you yourself have found and you yourself have discovered.
• 2:37:02
  I'm not the even Peter Ruckman talking about this.
• 2:37:04
  And give me a break. That makes you special amongst
• 2:37:08
  mankind so that you can develop some sort of value at this
• 2:37:11
  stage. And you're absolutely completely
• 2:37:12
  worthless garbage shit pile of life.
• 2:37:14
  I get it. That's fine.
• 2:37:16
  Isaac, for example, is someone who is the vampire that has to
• 2:37:21
  count every kernel of rice before he can move on.
• 2:37:23
  Every single little iota of critique or condescension or or
• 2:37:28
  calling him an error or anything in the like.
• 2:37:31
  He has to hyper fix it in every single one of them and count
• 2:37:33
  every single one dealt with and answered as it comes along,
• 2:37:37
  making it very easy for him to overload and destroy.
• 2:37:40
  I'm telling you all of this now because if I decided to
• 2:37:43
  implement it, he's so out of control he still wouldn't be
• 2:37:45
  able to stop me even though he knows exactly what I just said,
• 2:37:48
  that this is what I would use to destroy him.
• 2:37:51
  I have all of you mapped out. I'm not going to get into the
• 2:37:55
  nitty gritty of necessarily every single one of you, but I
• 2:37:58
  do assure you Brandon, if we've had one conversation of any
• 2:38:02
  significant length, let alone 2, I have figured you the fuck out
• 2:38:07
  and I have figured you out. You may not like and, and, and
• 2:38:12
  the more validation you get, the more toxic your influence
• 2:38:16
  becomes and I just haven't been willing to stand for right now.
• 2:38:20
  You can convert as many people. You can convert as many people
• 2:38:25
  to your crazy serpent seed KJV only you want to have a debate
• 2:38:31
  on the issue, should we? You, You know what I mean?
• 2:38:34
  If I have such a flawed doctrine, then we can debate the
• 2:38:37
  issue if you'd like. Well, we've done that many
• 2:38:40
  times, Brandon. We've no, we haven't.
• 2:38:42
  We, we've had to deal, Brandon. You know, I, I last time we had
• 2:38:46
  the issue of you claiming God authors evil.
• 2:38:49
  We had that issue you know, because again, you don't know
• 2:38:52
  anything. You don't have any.
• 2:38:54
  I don't understanding what you've done is to create evil.
• 2:38:58
  Shut up grandma by you're on a mission.
• 2:39:01
  All you've done is trained an AI to adopt your worldview and spit
• 2:39:05
  out arguments which then you trained AI to find logical,
• 2:39:12
  disgusting, biblical, immoral, low thinking man with no sense
• 2:39:17
  of pride or integrity. I am disgusted by you
• 2:39:20
  thoroughly. You got me all figured out then
• 2:39:23
  you are completely transparent to me.
• 2:39:27
  And the more you want to push Brandon, I promise you, the more
• 2:39:30
  I'm going to notice. And why do I give a shit, right?
• 2:39:34
  Why should I give a fuck anymore, right Brandon?
• 2:39:36
  You think I could be harsh before?
• 2:39:40
  Motherfucker, What? What do you think happens when I
• 2:39:44
  throw all moral compassing out the fucking window because it's
• 2:39:48
  all bullshit and no one follows it anyway?
• 2:39:51
  What then? Do you think I got a man to have
• 2:39:53
  a fucking complete emotional breakdown over an ice cream
• 2:39:57
  cone? What the fuck do you think I
• 2:39:59
  could do to the rest of you? I don't think you could do Fuck,
• 2:40:03
  I'm sick of the bull. You can.
• 2:40:06
  You can go with your verbal. You are.
• 2:40:09
  I don't give a fuck. That's me.
• 2:40:12
  I do have the argument that the power of don't give God doesn't
• 2:40:16
  matter. I smoking you want it?
• 2:40:18
  You want the argument, bitch? You want to shut your fucking
• 2:40:21
  mouth and hear it? No, you want to talk over.
• 2:40:24
  You don't want anyone to hear it.
• 2:40:26
  So when no one comes to listen to your bullshit garbage fucking
• 2:40:29
  one viewer channel, dumb, wretched, thieving, conniving
• 2:40:34
  fucking cunt you are Brandon. You don't even follow your own
• 2:40:38
  doctrine. You're an oh fuck.
• 2:40:41
  You're just trying to attack you and fucking stop, OK?
• 2:40:48
  You're a fucking lying, thieving, grifting stack of
• 2:40:54
  subhuman shit, Brandon, and everyone fucking knows it.
• 2:40:58
  That's why you can't get anchored to any truth.
• 2:41:01
  You don't believe any fucking crazy thing that you can come
• 2:41:04
  across. You're sick.
• 2:41:05
  That's hilarious fucking and you think you know me.
• 2:41:09
  You think you got me all figured out.
• 2:41:11
  Is hilarious crazy conspiracy theories all over the place.
• 2:41:16
  Every single one. Your holy theory is teaching you
• 2:41:19
  to believe serpent seed and that there were no Christians that
• 2:41:23
  that had any Bible until 1611 and you're going to present ever
• 2:41:28
  said that every Christian in the 1st 1600 years of Christianity
• 2:41:33
  went to hell because they didn't have a full contract?
• 2:41:35
  Oh wait no they do. I'm going to throw my old
• 2:41:38
  doctrine out the window but still claim to be defending it.
• 2:41:41
  Brandon fucking Irish. No, There you go.
• 2:41:45
  Your God doesn't exist because your God doesn't make any
• 2:41:47
  fucking sense. There was always scriptures.
• 2:41:53
  All of the scrolls and parchments.
• 2:41:56
  We've been over this. You're fucking weaving another
• 2:41:59
  false narrative. Yeah, but have you read the
• 2:42:02
  scrolls, Brandon? At yourself?
• 2:42:05
  Have I read the Bible? No.
• 2:42:07
  The scrolls. You talk about scrolls.
• 2:42:10
  I hadn't read them. OK, I've read the Bible.
• 2:42:13
  No. Have you read the holes?
• 2:42:15
  It's a yes or no. All the Have you read the
• 2:42:17
  original manuscripts Exactly? No, I have not.
• 2:42:22
  OK. Wow.
• 2:42:23
  Wait a minute. You haven't touched you.
• 2:42:25
  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on a second.
• 2:42:27
  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 2:42:28
  See, This is the thing that really pisses me off about you,
• 2:42:30
  Brandon. You come in here condemning
• 2:42:32
  people about King James only. Yeah.
• 2:42:35
  You have never, ever looked at any of the original manuscripts
• 2:42:39
  yourself. You have absolutely no authority
• 2:42:42
  whatsoever. You need to sit down and shut
• 2:42:46
  your mouth. Nobody should listen to you if
• 2:42:49
  you haven't even touched any of the original manuscripts itself.
• 2:42:54
  And, and, and like I asked you before, how many textual
• 2:42:57
  variants? Wait a minute, Brandon.
• 2:42:59
  Let me ask you a simple question that anybody who claims to know
• 2:43:02
  about this whole issue should know.
• 2:43:04
  How many textual variances are there between the manuscripts
• 2:43:08
  that have been found? How many?
• 2:43:10
  I don't know how many. Oh my gosh, you don't even know
• 2:43:13
  that. What?
• 2:43:15
  And I'm low, dude. I'm low hanging fruit.
• 2:43:17
  And I know this. OK, go for it.
• 2:43:19
  Let's hear it. 400,400 thousand. You don't believe me?
• 2:43:25
  Go look it up. Go look it up.
• 2:43:28
  What does that happen? But you don't even know that, do
• 2:43:30
  you? Come on, man.
• 2:43:33
  These little boys. Oh, yeah.
• 2:43:34
  And by the way, let me just put out a a matter.
• 2:43:37
  Let me just put out a special, a special message here for the
• 2:43:40
  audience. Yeah.
• 2:43:41
  You know, Bob is an idiot, Becco.
• 2:43:47
  You're behaving like a fucking child.
• 2:43:49
  So, you know, no, I'm just it just kind of pisses me off.
• 2:43:52
  You're always talking about King James only this King James only.
• 2:43:55
  But you don't even know the basics.
• 2:43:56
  I do too, dude, You know what I'm saying?
• 2:43:59
  Do I fucking? You don't know.
• 2:44:00
  You have no ability. Where's your video?
• 2:44:02
  Where's your documentary? How is that relevant?
• 2:44:05
  How is that relevant? You're fucking dumb.
• 2:44:08
  How is it relevant? Well, we're talking about the
• 2:44:10
  crisis of faith here, you know it just, it just sounds you just
• 2:44:14
  sounds stupid, that's all. You don't even know the basic
• 2:44:17
  arguments, man. You would get your butt
• 2:44:19
  demolished. Do you even know who Bart Erman
• 2:44:22
  is? Do you know who Bart Ehrman is?
• 2:44:26
  I, I would love to see you get into a debate with a guy like
• 2:44:29
  him. He would wipe your butt across
• 2:44:32
  the floor with it. You would have no argument with
• 2:44:35
  it. Even James White, who studied up
• 2:44:38
  on this topic way more than you little bit, had a little bit of
• 2:44:42
  a run for his money in that debate.
• 2:44:44
  You have absolutely no power, no ability.
• 2:44:49
  You didn't even know how many textual variances there are
• 2:44:51
  between the manuscripts, man. No, you don't, because you don't
• 2:44:55
  know anything either. So stop pushing this legalistic
• 2:44:59
  garbage on people, man. Yeah, you don't know shit
• 2:45:03
  because you are a fucking if I don't, if I don't know anything,
• 2:45:07
  how is it that I just schooled you on something that you didn't
• 2:45:10
  even know about? How?
• 2:45:12
  Well, how come you didn't know about how many textual variances
• 2:45:14
  there are? You're dummy.
• 2:45:17
  Legal legalism. Leave the legalism alone, man.
• 2:45:19
  Nobody needs the King James. I love the King James.
• 2:45:22
  It's my favorite translation, but it's not salvific.
• 2:45:25
  Just leave it alone. Leave it alone.
• 2:45:28
  Leave it alone, leave it alone. You don't believe in the King
• 2:45:31
  James. You don't believe in it.
• 2:45:33
  But anyway, why? Your doctrine's fucked up.
• 2:45:36
  You don't even know what doctrine I have, you dummy.
• 2:45:38
  I do. I No, you don't spell doctrine.
• 2:45:41
  You don't even know how to spell it.
• 2:45:43
  DOCTRIA. Shut.
• 2:45:45
  Shut up. I didn't ask you to.
• 2:45:47
  I know it, you dumb ass. You just said ass.
• 2:45:49
  Spell it. Yeah.
• 2:45:51
  I didn't tell you to spell it. I said you don't know how to
• 2:45:53
  spell it. But anyway, OK, man, I spelled
• 2:45:56
  it for you. There you go.
• 2:45:58
  Oh, gosh. Anyway, I just want you know,
• 2:46:01
  anyway, listen, this this King James only ISM is is ridiculous.
• 2:46:05
  It's stop. Let's get back to the topic.
• 2:46:08
  Let's get back to the topic. Let's get back to the topic.
• 2:46:12
  That's why you would never get into a debate with anybody about
• 2:46:15
  this topic because you would get demolished.
• 2:46:18
  You would you would get demolished.
• 2:46:20
  When was the last time you got into a debate about this?
• 2:46:22
  When when did you like the decade?
• 2:46:25
  When do you want to debate? Anytime.
• 2:46:27
  You Where's your documentary, man?
• 2:46:28
  Where is it? I want to see it.
• 2:46:31
  You said you you said five months ago that you had a
• 2:46:33
  documentary. Get ready, Vac hall.
• 2:46:36
  Where is I'm still waiting to see it as I've already posted my
• 2:46:40
  book. Is that what you're talking
• 2:46:41
  about in this? No, no, you said you had a
• 2:46:43
  video. You said you had a video, not a
• 2:46:45
  book. If you go to the I put the
• 2:46:47
  fucking link in the fucking chat when we were chatting and is it
• 2:46:51
  there now 'cause I'd like to see it on the it's on the channel
• 2:46:54
  that I set up a YouTube channel called the Why?
• 2:46:57
  Why don't you, why don't you give us why don't you give us
• 2:46:59
  the the link right now? Don't run.
• 2:47:01
  Just give us the link. OK.
• 2:47:04
  James White verse. Yeah, Jill put an aside in the
• 2:47:06
  private chat. James White versus Brandon.
• 2:47:09
  Oh my gosh. It's not versus Jill.
• 2:47:10
  James White. It would be James White
• 2:47:13
  demolishes Brandon Irish. Brandon Irish Don't know Jack
• 2:47:16
  squad about this topic or even I you're a fucking trip.
• 2:47:19
  He he would he would get he would get his butt handed to him
• 2:47:22
  even by Bert. Bart Ehrman.
• 2:47:25
  Come on. Bart Ehrman would destroy you.
• 2:47:27
  He would Bart Ehrman. Bart Ehrman would decimate you.
• 2:47:31
  Bart Ehrman would decimate you. All you do is have an appeal to
• 2:47:34
  a motion. I don't know if I don't know if
• 2:47:37
  Bart Ehrman would decimate you in a debate.
• 2:47:39
  And he's not even a believer. I mean, any liberal would
• 2:47:42
  decimate any Christian in in debate.
• 2:47:44
  Here we go. Any knowledgeable Christian,
• 2:47:48
  Here you go. Here you go.
• 2:47:50
  And by the way, Smokey, I wanted to say something to you and you
• 2:47:52
  can take this as a in the private chat, dip shit.
• 2:47:56
  There you go. And and look at when I wrote,
• 2:47:58
  when I did this video, how many fucking years ago, retard?
• 2:48:03
  And you want to say I haven't studied the matter out?
• 2:48:05
  You're just being an ignorant child.
• 2:48:07
  I didn't say that you haven't studied that.
• 2:48:08
  I said that you don't know what you're talking about.
• 2:48:10
  And I think that you'll be any argument against the King James
• 2:48:14
  any day of the week. Anybody ever.
• 2:48:17
  Oh, I got to see that. I got to see that I will fucking
• 2:48:21
  lay you out. Look at that.
• 2:48:23
  Look at that. See you don't even understand
• 2:48:27
  how these other bibles you touch yourself when you say that as
• 2:48:30
  you're fucking blind. I bet you touch yourself when
• 2:48:33
  you say that. Now you went to an 8 year old.
• 2:48:36
  But anyway. But anyway, I just wanted to say
• 2:48:38
  something to Isaac. You're a fucking child.
• 2:48:40
  I just want to say OK, yeah, you you're good, you're good.
• 2:48:43
  You are. I don't want to say.
• 2:48:44
  OK, good. You're good.
• 2:48:45
  You're good. I just wanted to say something
• 2:48:47
  to look at it. He can't.
• 2:48:49
  He can't stop. He can't stop.
• 2:48:50
  He can't stop. Look at him.
• 2:48:52
  Look at look at him. Act like a man, baby.
• 2:48:55
  You're acting. You're little man baby.
• 2:48:59
  Little baby. He can't stop it.
• 2:49:02
  I can Shut up. Stop it.
• 2:49:04
  I'm trying to. I'm trying to talk to Smokey
• 2:49:06
  now. I'm done with you, OK?
• 2:49:08
  This ain't the Brandon show. How about it?
• 2:49:11
  How about it, little boy? Hey Brandon, can you explain the
• 2:49:14
  book of Job to me? You don't even know how to spell
• 2:49:17
  it. Sure I can.
• 2:49:18
  Oh I know. I wouldn't know how to spell it.
• 2:49:20
  I'd be right like a fucking 5 year old.
• 2:49:24
  Now this is supposed to be about Smokey's situation there, but he
• 2:49:29
  behaves like a grown man. Smokey said he'll be right back.
• 2:49:36
  Can you handle it Vecco? Can you behave like a grown up
• 2:49:39
  for a minute? That's you.
• 2:49:40
  I told you. Let's drop it.
• 2:49:41
  I want to talk to Smokey, but you just have to keep getting
• 2:49:44
  the last word like a like a damn 9 year old because you're a
• 2:49:47
  little baby. You're acting like a little
• 2:49:51
  baby. Projection.
• 2:49:53
  I know you are, but what am I? That's the game you're playing.
• 2:49:56
  OK, OK. You done.
• 2:49:57
  Are you done? Are you done?
• 2:49:59
  Are you done now? OK, You want to get the last
• 2:50:01
  word? Go ahead.
• 2:50:02
  Go ahead. Go ahead.
• 2:50:02
  Get the last word. Go ahead.
• 2:50:04
  I'll let you get the last word, man.
• 2:50:05
  Baby, go ahead. Well, yeah.
• 2:50:06
  Will you let me get the last word?
• 2:50:07
  Go ahead. Go ahead.
• 2:50:08
  Get the last word. Go ahead.
• 2:50:10
  Thanks. I will go ahead Soon as you're
• 2:50:12
  ready to shut the fuck up. Go ahead.
• 2:50:14
  No, we're waiting for you. Go ahead.
• 2:50:17
  Are you? Are you going to sit there and
• 2:50:20
  say go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. 20 more, brother.
• 2:50:22
  Go ahead. We're waiting for you like a
• 2:50:24
  child again. You are.
• 2:50:26
  How long are you going to say? How long are you going to do our
• 2:50:29
  fucking pathetic? Yeah, you're pathetic.
• 2:50:33
  OK. Yeah, I'm pathetic.
• 2:50:35
  OK, Can we move on now? I got you 'cause you got fucked
• 2:50:38
  up. OK, OK, good.
• 2:50:39
  So now. So now that we're done, I'm
• 2:50:41
  pathetic according to Brandon. So anyway, now there he is.
• 2:50:47
  He can't control himself. He can't control himself.
• 2:50:50
  Look at him. He can't control.
• 2:50:52
  He can't control himself. You're cute little sound effects
• 2:50:59
  'cause you are a child. Hello, Candace.
• 2:51:01
  How's it going? Hey, Reko, How are you?
• 2:51:06
  It's good to see that you made it safe to wherever you are now.
• 2:51:09
  OK. Yes.
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  Yeah. People are worried about you for
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  a little bit. Don't worry about me.
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  It was a long fly, though. Yeah. 22 hours.
• 2:51:19
  No, wait, wait. 20 hours. Can you believe that?
• 2:51:24
  Flying from one time zone to the next?
• 2:51:26
  Yeah, what I wanted to say was about, and again, Smokey might
• 2:51:32
  get mad. I don't care.
• 2:51:33
  I'll say it anyway. I I'm having a really tough time
• 2:51:36
  because I have a but. But now after listening for the
• 2:51:39
  past, you know, 30 minutes, OK, I'm convinced that what, what's
• 2:51:44
  going on with Smokey is, is real.
• 2:51:45
  It's the real deal. He's going through, as Ryan
• 2:51:49
  calls it, a crisis of faith. That's what it sounds like to
• 2:51:53
  me. The only thing that I'm having a
• 2:51:56
  real tough time with, and I kind of agree with Brandon on this as
• 2:52:00
  much as it makes me sick to my stomach to agree with this guy.
• 2:52:05
  But one thing I do slightly agree with Brandon on is I, I,
• 2:52:12
  I, I'm having a tough time understanding.
• 2:52:14
  Shut up. I'm having a tough time
• 2:52:17
  understanding. Why it there?
• 2:52:19
  There does seem to be a little bit of finger pointing here and
• 2:52:23
  froze said something earlier too and it he's definitely emotional
• 2:52:27
  when he said it, but I still I I have I have a serious problem
• 2:52:30
  with it. I as I kept putting it on the
• 2:52:32
  side chat. I don't understand why the focus
• 2:52:35
  on this this little bitty man named Isaac, who is everybody in
• 2:52:41
  his community knows that he is 90% of the time incoherent with
• 2:52:46
  a lot of his his defense to his own position.
• 2:52:50
  I've had discussions with him on occasion where there's a lot of
• 2:52:54
  over talking, just like we see with Brandon sometimes, OK?
• 2:52:59
  And even in the most recent discussion I've seen with with
• 2:53:03
  Isaac and Smokey, that video that Smokey played of them
• 2:53:06
  having that private conversation, Isaac seemed to be
• 2:53:10
  contradicting himself constantly.
• 2:53:14
  And he does this many, many times in the past too.
• 2:53:17
  He's constantly inconsistent and contradicting himself and yeah,
• 2:53:21
  he keeps talking as if he has something really, really
• 2:53:24
  powerful and profound for to get across to the to the universe.
• 2:53:28
  And so to me, that's just my opinion.
• 2:53:32
  You can get mad at me if you want fro Smokey whoever.
• 2:53:35
  I just don't understand why are we pointing fingers at him and
• 2:53:39
  little him as if not just him. I know it's you have issues.
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  So do you mind if I ask that? Very.
• 2:53:46
  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Because it just seems to me Isaac is so insignificant to the
• 2:53:50
  to all of this. Yeah.
• 2:53:51
  Shakespeare. I am going to answer very, very
• 2:53:54
  quickly. And I will say that I think that
• 2:53:58
  Isaac was just the last drop in a very, very fucking big bucket.
• 2:54:04
  I don't, OK, I got you. I got you.
• 2:54:07
  It's it's it's not that it's Isaac specifically.
• 2:54:11
  It's just that Isaac was the last one that kind of made the
• 2:54:15
  water flow over. So no, well, I'm not pointing
• 2:54:21
  especially on him, but I'm saying that he is a part of it.
• 2:54:26
  It's a huge fucking bucket. I'm just saying that he is a
• 2:54:31
  very, very small drop in it. And I like I said in my
• 2:54:36
  introduction that it was a very emotional and I do agree to
• 2:54:40
  that, is that it's this. It's not the one person.
• 2:54:46
  It's like it's like playing collection all on the team with
• 2:54:52
  one keeper that is Smokey and like 100 people on the other
• 2:54:57
  side that is trying to to shoot goal on them.
• 2:55:01
  And the The thing is like when you get tired of jumping after
• 2:55:06
  the ball, after a while, goals will start.
• 2:55:11
  Will just set it right there. Will Freeman just left the
• 2:55:16
  killer comment. Well, I, I, I understand that,
• 2:55:19
  you know, for everybody's different.
• 2:55:20
  Everybody has their own limitations and stuff.
• 2:55:26
  Well, well, Brandon, with all due respect, you have to
• 2:55:28
  respect, you know, just because you might have a certain level
• 2:55:31
  of tolerance that, you know, that doesn't mean every other
• 2:55:35
  person who professes to be of faith possesses that same level
• 2:55:38
  of tolerance. I mean, you should even know
• 2:55:40
  what what Romans 12 even suggests is that everybody has a
• 2:55:43
  different measure of faith. So you should at least keep that
• 2:55:47
  in mind if you're going to start making fun of.
• 2:55:49
  Yeah. That's why we should be.
• 2:55:51
  Yeah. Why we should be sharpening iron
• 2:55:53
  because guess what? You're going to be way harder
• 2:55:57
  than this, folks. Exactly.
• 2:55:59
  Yeah, absolutely. You're over this silly little
• 2:56:01
  shit that you ain't going to make it.
• 2:56:03
  I agree with you on that. You ain't going to have a faith
• 2:56:06
  that endures. And that's why I want to say I'm
• 2:56:09
  kind of hitting back at you fro yes, I listen, I understand.
• 2:56:14
  You know, I think there's a little bit of psychology behind
• 2:56:16
  this to, you know, if you got constantly people back and
• 2:56:19
  forth, you know, bothering you, putting all these false, false
• 2:56:23
  accusations against you, you know, you know, there's a
• 2:56:26
  boiling point for but that, you know, that's for every
• 2:56:28
  individual. Not for every person, obviously,
• 2:56:31
  but that's the same. Okay, that's fine.
• 2:56:36
  But see, all you're doing is pointing out.
• 2:56:38
  All you're doing, though, by pointing that out, though,
• 2:56:40
  Brandon, is the imperfection that we all as humans in the
• 2:56:43
  church possess imperfection. There's no one perfect in the
• 2:56:48
  church. Brandon.
• 2:56:52
  Brandon, you're right in pointing out.
• 2:56:54
  You're right. I think I where I partly agree
• 2:56:56
  with you and Brandon, you're right, and you should be
• 2:56:58
  pointing out. OK, listen, you know, you might
• 2:57:01
  have a problem with this. Maybe you should check yourself
• 2:57:03
  first before you start pointing other fingers.
• 2:57:05
  I agree with you on that. OK, But you also have to
• 2:57:07
  respect. But how many?
• 2:57:09
  OK, I'm sorry, but how many fingers am I supposed to have in
• 2:57:13
  my face? That's where you you have
• 2:57:17
  passions like First Second Corinthians.
• 2:57:19
  So record. Record.
• 2:57:20
  If if you hit me, is it up to me to tell you how much it hurts?
• 2:57:25
  Are you? Yeah, you should.
• 2:57:27
  Why not? I don't understand your analogy.
• 2:57:30
  If if you hit me and you say sorry and I start crying, is it
• 2:57:37
  up to me to tell you how much it hurt or for you?
• 2:57:43
  Well, if I'm a Christian, I have the obligation to first of all,
• 2:57:47
  not do that. But even if I did do that, I
• 2:57:49
  have the obligation to repent and apologize to you.
• 2:57:52
  Yeah. So that that that's The thing is
• 2:57:55
  like people are eating, smoking over and over again and just
• 2:58:00
  trying to say that, oh, we have the right to hit him over and
• 2:58:06
  over again and when smoke is done, but actually tries to
• 2:58:10
  protect himself, people attacks, attacks.
• 2:58:13
  I don't have a problem with him protecting himself.
• 2:58:15
  Now, now, now, now I will. I'm just saying that I, I, I
• 2:58:21
  love it when people are calling people other people weak because
• 2:58:25
  of that. But some people don't have a
• 2:58:28
  tolerance for that. That's that's why that's the
• 2:58:31
  part that I agree with you, however, though to blame
• 2:58:34
  Christianity on this to me that seems like a cop out in my
• 2:58:39
  opinion, because all you're doing is you're looking at
• 2:58:41
  individuals, flawed individuals within the Bible.
• 2:58:44
  How many, how stupid, how many people Vekl is getting to the
• 2:58:49
  point like why would you? If I say something to God thing,
• 2:58:54
  Oh my God, Brandon, I swear to fucking God how many people I've
• 2:58:59
  seen on my account. Oh, I can do whatever I fucking
• 2:59:05
  want to. How about that?
• 2:59:09
  Yeah. So how many people is the last
• 2:59:11
  point on my account? Oh, I will do that in the name
• 2:59:17
  of Jesus Christ. That blasphemy.
• 2:59:19
  Come on now. You ain't got to do that, fro.
• 2:59:21
  Come on. So how many people is it
• 2:59:25
  supposed to take? How many people?
• 2:59:28
  So you, you tell me what is my threshold?
• 2:59:30
  Since you're Vecco, Vecco, you're here to condemn me for my
• 2:59:34
  threshold. How am I supposed?
• 2:59:36
  How many am I? Is it?
• 2:59:38
  I'm not here to condemn you. I'm just trying to point out I'm
• 2:59:41
  doing what Brandon's doing. And and this is the part of
• 2:59:44
  Brandon that what Brandon is saying that I agree with.
• 2:59:47
  I, I think we are forgetting the fact that the Bible points out
• 2:59:51
  that they one of the aspects of the church, one of the functions
• 2:59:55
  of the church is to bring comfort to one another.
• 2:59:58
  And I think we're in in a way, what Smokey's doing right now
• 3:00:01
  with this stream is good. I think it's good medicine.
• 3:00:04
  He's opening up the door for people to come in and bring
• 3:00:06
  counsel to him. But what I don't appreciate
• 3:00:08
  though, is guys like you fro coming in here and you kind of
• 3:00:12
  throwing fire to the to the fuel to the flame by condemning
• 3:00:16
  Christians. You even look what look what
• 3:00:17
  your look what your avatar thing, says I.
• 3:00:21
  Yes, Christian. OK, fine.
• 3:00:23
  Do you Are you here to help in a in a spiritual way or you just
• 3:00:27
  want to say you know what Smokey?
• 3:00:29
  I'm going to join you. I hate the church too.
• 3:00:31
  I hate Christian. I have had this long before
• 3:00:34
  fucking smoking started it. OK, now why is that so?
• 3:00:39
  So Smokey was your little straight.
• 3:00:41
  So, so wait, so Smokey was your straw that burned the camel's
• 3:00:44
  back. I mean, you had all this bottled
• 3:00:46
  up, but now all of a sudden you want to come out and say, I hate
• 3:00:48
  Christians too because you see Smokey doing it.
• 3:00:50
  Is that is that what's going on? No, but because I see that
• 3:00:54
  Christians are condemning him and hitting him.
• 3:00:57
  OK, let's talk about that. Oh my God, can you?
• 3:01:00
  I'm only saying his doctrine's fucked up and that's why he's
• 3:01:04
  having a problem, because his doctrine's fucked up.
• 3:01:07
  That's it. OK.
• 3:01:07
  If he would fix his, get his doctrine straight, whatever.
• 3:01:10
  What doctrine are you talking about, Brandon?
• 3:01:12
  What doctrine? The doctrine of Christ.
• 3:01:14
  The doctrine of Christ. Have you asked Fro what he
• 3:01:16
  believes? Right.
• 3:01:19
  I already know what Fro believes.
• 3:01:20
  I've listened. What is Fro believe?
• 3:01:21
  Then? What is fro?
• 3:01:22
  I'm. I'm not I'm not in God.
• 3:01:25
  Yeah. Not in God like I How do you
• 3:01:28
  know he doesn't believe in God? How do you know that?
• 3:01:30
  Did he tell you that many times? Yes.
• 3:01:32
  Did he say that recently? I haven't talked to him.
• 3:01:36
  Like, you know, I don't know what you would consider.
• 3:01:38
  See, you don't know what you're talking about.
• 3:01:40
  Well, define, define recently, man.
• 3:01:43
  What froze right here. Why don't you talk to him in a
• 3:01:45
  year? I would say the last half year
• 3:01:50
  I've been constantly saying I believe in God.
• 3:01:52
  Yeah, I have a question. OK.
• 3:01:56
  What about Jesus? Yeah, I believe in Jesus.
• 3:02:01
  Hey, Jared, your mic sounds like your.
• 3:02:02
  Yeah, your mic is totally like you're underwater.
• 3:02:06
  Yeah, I'm just simply saying. So I'm not allowed to point out
• 3:02:17
  when people are are hitting my brother.
• 3:02:19
  I love that you say that. Of course you can.
• 3:02:22
  OK, I'm not saying that you can't do that.
• 3:02:23
  But let me hate them, though. No, can't do that.
• 3:02:27
  OK, well, I will. That's not that's not biblical.
• 3:02:30
  Well, I you can disassociate yourselves from them saying, you
• 3:02:33
  know what, this guy, I don't like this guy.
• 3:02:36
  I'm gonna give you a perfect example of people I wouldn't let
• 3:02:42
  you know you're in your emotions right now.
• 3:02:44
  I understand that. Yeah, I don't care.
• 3:02:48
  I know that. Yeah, but, but, but I'm not
• 3:02:50
  going to sit here and say, I mean, Smokey opened up the room
• 3:02:53
  for everybody to come in and and share their different opinions
• 3:02:58
  because I right now I don't care.
• 3:03:00
  OK, well, let's move the fuck on then.
• 3:03:02
  Beckel, if I may, Brandon, can I, can I give a word to Smoke,
• 3:03:08
  if I may? Sure, I appreciate that.
• 3:03:13
  I don't think Smoke is he's away from the mic right now, but
• 3:03:16
  he'll I'm sure he's listening. Yeah, as long as, you know, as
• 3:03:20
  long as he gets to hear it sometime, that'd be great.
• 3:03:23
  So I, I commiserate with you, Smokey, and you know, and I'll
• 3:03:28
  offer support if you need any support.
• 3:03:30
  You're welcome. Never come over to my channel,
• 3:03:32
  you know, Discord or e-mail or whatever and we can talk.
• 3:03:36
  But I do want to offer a historical argument that I think
• 3:03:41
  you should think about. If, if you know, I don't think
• 3:03:44
  maybe there's a crisis of faith, maybe you already know this, but
• 3:03:47
  I will offer a three pronged consensus view of the, the
• 3:03:53
  historosity of Jesus Christ. So firstly, it's, it's a, it's a
• 3:03:57
  consensus view that he did exist historically and that's
• 3:04:01
  indisputable, except for, you know, a few friends, fucking
• 3:04:05
  retards like Richard Carrier. And then also the cross too.
• 3:04:12
  That's, that's another consensus view.
• 3:04:15
  And I have a citation for that, that he, he, he died on the
• 3:04:19
  cross. It was crucified.
• 3:04:21
  We have external sources out there that demonstrate he, even
• 3:04:24
  the Talmud has that he was crucified.
• 3:04:27
  But the Romans 2. And that is also a consensus
• 3:04:30
  view. And the third, the third prong
• 3:04:32
  is the resurrection. I had Gary Habermas, one of the
• 3:04:35
  top New Testament scholars out there.
• 3:04:38
  He, he did a survey among the the top PhD scholars that that
• 3:04:44
  had like a terminal degree at least and he came to an 80%
• 3:04:50
  consensus view on that, that he has that there was a historical
• 3:04:54
  resurrection on their works. So it, it appears that even in
• 3:04:58
  the, the most like prestigious New Testament scholars,
• 3:05:03
  historians come to the agreement that the resurrection is
• 3:05:07
  historical. So I to me, that's pretty
• 3:05:11
  persuasive. Anyone out there that thinks
• 3:05:13
  Christianity is false, you're going to have to deal with the,
• 3:05:16
  the, the historosity of Jesus Christ, his, his existence, his
• 3:05:22
  death, and also his resurrection.
• 3:05:25
  So obviously with there, I, I, I, I know Smokey's too smart to
• 3:05:29
  be an atheist. And that's, you know, I hope he
• 3:05:31
  gets out of that. Yeah, I'll just leave it there.
• 3:05:33
  Thank you so much, guys. But the problem I praise is, is
• 3:05:37
  how people are acting. Oh, I know.
• 3:05:40
  I agree, man. It's, it's totally, it's, it's
• 3:05:42
  bonkers crazy, man. I, I, I, I understand.
• 3:05:46
  I mean, I, I, I'm sure you have heard it.
• 3:05:50
  When I asked Isaac why he's calling it Smokey pedo, it's
• 3:05:56
  because he was acting like 1. Because I like how people say
• 3:06:01
  that about Smokey. They're being retarded.
• 3:06:04
  It's disgusting. Of course it's disgusting.
• 3:06:07
  That's why you don't call them brothers.
• 3:06:09
  An evening like that you don't call them.
• 3:06:12
  You don't call people like that brothers.
• 3:06:14
  Then how many are non brothers? Before I say it's false, then
• 3:06:19
  you say what's false? Christianity.
• 3:06:21
  What? Yes, Oh my gosh, are you really
• 3:06:25
  asking me that question from So wait a minute, are you going to
• 3:06:27
  tell me that Christianity is false because you got
• 3:06:30
  12345678910 people picking on you calling you names?
• 3:06:35
  Are you serious people? How many people are not going to
• 3:06:39
  act like who cares the Bible says that all sinned and falling
• 3:06:45
  short of the glory. Are you not familiar with
• 3:06:47
  Mormon's life? Well, how many record fro fro?
• 3:06:51
  This is why you need to get discipled and you need to get
• 3:06:54
  into a church because you don't know what you're talking about.
• 3:06:56
  Everything you're saying right now is easily answered in the
• 3:06:59
  Bible. It doesn't matter how many.
• 3:07:04
  You put your faith and trust in God and you associate yourselves
• 3:07:07
  with people who you believe and know are true believers of Jesus
• 3:07:10
  Christ, whether they're Calvinists or Free Grace or
• 3:07:12
  whatever. If they have a true, strong
• 3:07:15
  faith of Jesus Christ, you stick with them.
• 3:07:18
  You stick with it. You stick with the faith for at
• 3:07:21
  least those people and not because you got a couple of
• 3:07:24
  bozos on here who don't have the ability to defend their belief
• 3:07:28
  out of a wet paper bag. What?
• 3:07:30
  Not a couple. It doesn't matter how many Jesus
• 3:07:35
  remember what Jesus said in John 15 to his disciples.
• 3:07:38
  He says if the world hates you, remember that it hated me first.
• 3:07:43
  The world hates you because it hates me.
• 3:07:46
  So even if you have other individuals who call themselves
• 3:07:49
  Christ, but yet all they do is have ministries of of hate and
• 3:07:52
  destruction. What do you do?
• 3:07:54
  Remember the words of Jesus Christ in John 15 and you treat
• 3:07:58
  those bozos who want to just do nothing but call people
• 3:08:02
  pedophiles and all this other garbage because they don't have
• 3:08:04
  anything else better to do with themselves.
• 3:08:07
  You dust the sand off your feet with those people and you give
• 3:08:10
  it up to God. You turn them over to Satan
• 3:08:12
  because they have nothing. They they can't do anything for
• 3:08:15
  you except destroy your faith. That's it.
• 3:08:19
  Don't curse the whole church and say I hate Christianity because
• 3:08:22
  you have 10 dudes here who are insignificant.
• 3:08:26
  Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how many of
• 3:08:28
  them it doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter.
• 3:08:31
  No. Can I explain why it doesn't
• 3:08:33
  matter? Go ahead.
• 3:08:37
  The reason why it matters if they are true followers of
• 3:08:41
  Christ, they would not act in the way they are acting.
• 3:08:48
  You have said it many times, but I have I What's the got to pro?
• 3:08:52
  But what's the got to do with you, pro?
• 3:08:56
  What's that got to do with you and your relationship with God?
• 3:09:00
  Who cares? OK, who's going to teach me
• 3:09:04
  then? Is is Isaac your pastor?
• 3:09:07
  Let's pick on Isaac for a minute.
• 3:09:08
  Is Isaac your pastor? I'm asking you, who do you have
• 3:09:11
  any type of spiritual dependency on him regarding your
• 3:09:14
  sanctification of someone that's supposed to teach me then?
• 3:09:18
  Your pastor? Which fucking pastor?
• 3:09:22
  Do you go to church? No, I live in no in an atheist
• 3:09:26
  country. You know what?
• 3:09:27
  OK, fine. Then find find a local
• 3:09:29
  congregation of people who you know believe and get with them.
• 3:09:34
  Associate yourselves with them. If you can't do that, if you
• 3:09:37
  can't do, hold on. If you can't do that, God will
• 3:09:40
  lead you to somebody on the Internet to do that.
• 3:09:43
  But don't get on here and say I'm done with Christianity
• 3:09:46
  because Isaac and all these other 25 mofos are picking on me
• 3:09:51
  and mess with me and I'm at my wit's end.
• 3:09:53
  Come on man, you can't do that, can I?
• 3:09:56
  Can I say something real quick that I am?
• 3:09:59
  Well, it's irrational and it's stupid if you do.
• 3:10:01
  I don't care. OK, well, anyways, the biggest
• 3:10:06
  problem is, is all of it roots down to doctrine.
• 3:10:11
  It's all about the doctrine of Christ.
• 3:10:13
  And that's why we have so many different types of Christianity.
• 3:10:17
  And Beckel, I'm going to challenge you to please watch
• 3:10:20
  the little live that I did today.
• 3:10:23
  And you know, David Daniels brings up some super important.
• 3:10:26
  I'm going to need a paperback for that one.
• 3:10:29
  Why? If you don't think that that
• 3:10:31
  Jack Chick and David Daniels are brothers in Christ, then I would
• 3:10:36
  be questioning my faith hard. Oh, I'm not saying I'm not
• 3:10:39
  saying that they're not brothers in Christ, but I do think that
• 3:10:41
  they're in error regarding defense of the King James.
• 3:10:45
  And again, I love the King James.
• 3:10:46
  The King James is my favorite translation.
• 3:10:48
  It's my first. I'm a King James first.
• 3:10:51
  This not only is, but so you know, everyone of it, starting
• 3:10:56
  with the new King James Bible, every one of those Bibles all
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  deny that Jesus is the creator and that is the major that's the
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  truth. Buddy, watch the video.
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  I'm not even going to get in. I'm I'm I'm familiar with some
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  of the arguments regarding the differences between these.
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  That's a very Hey, Brandon, fro what?
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  What's your what's your thought about this discussion that
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  Brandon and I are having? What's your thoughts?
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  I couldn't kill us. Yeah.
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  What I'm trying to say, though, Beckel, is that same here.
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  Why so many people like Will Freeman sit there and go, you
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  know, if this is Christianity, a bunch of idiots sitting around
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  arguing all the time. I know.
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  I'm just saying, though, that that, you know, but that's a
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  problem. That means we're failing.
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  It is a problem, but who cares? Because it's because you know
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  what the the only good that's going to come out of that,
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  Brandon, is the fact that it's going to cause us to self
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  examine ourselves. OK?
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  That's the only good thing that we're going to that's going to
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  come out of looking at Will's ridiculous comments towards us
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  as Christians. Chris, you know, you got these
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  atheists and these non believers standing by eating popcorn,
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  watching us Christians argue with and stuff like that.
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  What that should be doing when we see those bozos doing that is
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  cause us to examine ourselves, as we see Paul say in these two
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  times in the New Testament, because you have some people
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  that are a mixture of number one, false, fraudulent
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  believers. They're not true believers.
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  That's number one. And #2 you have people who are
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  babes in Christ that need to be associated with a local
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  congregation or some sort of discipleship.
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  And that is the problem that we see with a lot of people in this
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  in this community. A lot of these people who are
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  talking all this sugar smack about Smokey being this and Froa
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  being that and Ryan being this. They're not going to church.
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  They're not going to a local congregation.
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  They're not being discipled by anybody.
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  They're not being mentored by anybody.
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  They're they lone selves. They're on the Christians and
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  all they're doing, just like Isaac and Bill are seeking
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  followers. They do not care about being
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  brothers. They only want disciples people
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  to follow them, but yet they don't want to receive any type
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  of correction themselves. That's the problem.
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  But you are just a a finite man bro.
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  Atheists. Atheists are nicer than
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  Christians. That is the problem, thank God.
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  And you know what that should do?
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  You know what that should do, right?
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  When you find the majority of people that are atheists that
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  are nicer than Christians, what should that do as it to you as a
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  Christian? I'm not the Christian.
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  Oh, are you or you not? Because.
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  Oh, so because Smokey said something.
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  So now you're not a Christian. Is that, is that what else?
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  I have said that many times, but he's always with that.
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  Wait, wait. When did you recently did?
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  Because you said you were a Christian.
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  And then you came out with a video telling everybody that you
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  lied about it. And then the last time I talked,
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  you said, yeah, I'm a Christian again.
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  I know it's it's real with Christian, by your definition of
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  water, we're just going to argue.
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  OK. So wait, So what is a Christian
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  to you then? Yeah, a Christian is.
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  Yeah. Sorry, we're just.
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  Yeah, I want to know. Wait, wait.
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  Real, real, real quick. And I I want to hear it from.
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  He said he's not a Christian by my definition.
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  You don't even know what my definition is.
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  But what is your definition of a Christian?
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  It's just labels. We're just arguing semantics.
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  Yeah, but only people. Well, we haven't even gotten to
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  that discussion yet, are we? Already have.
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  No, we haven't. People that understand doctrine
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  are in a position to determine if somebody's in the faith or
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  not. Am I in the faith of it?
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  Tell me we haven't even talked about the definition of Brandon
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  I in the faith. Do you believe that Jesus is the
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  creator? I do, but I don't read the King
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  James Bible only. OK, well then that's something
• 3:14:47
  we maybe need to talk about as does that mean that he's not
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  saved though if he doesn't read the King James only I believe
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  that if he is indwelt with the Holy Spirit.
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  I do read it, but not only Yeah and and made a new creature,
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  then he's going to be concerned with truth by his new nature.
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  Oh, I'm concerned with to find out.
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  OK, OK, so to find out that these other Bibles have have
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  twisted doctrine should concern Yeah, but would you rather
• 3:15:17
  people read any Bible at all versus no Bible?
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  Good question. I hey, you know what I'm saying?
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  If you want to use these other Bibles as a study tool and stuff
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  like that and if it's something that that causes you to enter
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  into grace into the covenant, then you don't if that's good,
• 3:15:37
  but at some point in your walk. Yeah, it it just in at some
• 3:15:43
  point in your walk you're going to have to you're going to meet
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  a brother like me that's going to go hey, you need to make a
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  serious look at this in James issue.
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  Hey, he's give me the same question that you just asked him
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  where Christians like Brandon who needs tape.
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  You asked him what was your name.
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  Oh yeah. Am I in the faith?
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  Do you get my answer after? OK, OK, now I want to answer you
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  do. You and I and I Yeah.
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  You didn't pay attention. You didn't hear.
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  No, I did. OK.
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  OK. What was my answer then?
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  My question to you would be, do you believe Jesus I understands
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  was buried and rose against on the third day.
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  I do yes. OK, then what did you hear?
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  You're in the faith. Now whether or not you read the
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  King James only or not is irrelevant because the gospel
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  does not believe that Jesus doesn't know sins and read only
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  the King James. But hold on a second, Jared.
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  OK. Because the Bible also says that
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  if you have not the doctrine of Christ, you have not God.
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  OK, That means you're not. Which you can find in all
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  different versions of the manuscript.
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  The message is not jeopardized just by the variances between
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  them. The message is still the same.
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  Jesus Christ died for me on the grass on the third day and rise
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  on the tree the third day. So that doesn't make you a
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  Christian. That doesn't.
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  I'm going to. Because there is a difference
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  between being a Christ follower and being a Christian.
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  Yeah. Why?
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  Where's that? Where you get that from just
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  looking at the church itself. No one can agree on what?
• 3:17:26
  No, you're not going to find that in chat.
• 3:17:29
  That's that's all semantics. You brought up semantics earlier
• 3:17:32
  and that what you just said it, what you just espouse is just
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  plain old semantics. That's all it is, you know, a
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  person. Because in that case, then we
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  could say the Mormons are Christian, the Jehovah's
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  Witnesses are Christian, the, you know, Black Hebrew
• 3:17:45
  Israelites are Christian. You know, all those people who
• 3:17:48
  reject some of the essentials of regarding God's ontology, we can
• 3:17:53
  call them Christian. Why?
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  Because they on the surface or superficially refer to the same,
• 3:17:58
  some of the same things that we believe in, in the in the
• 3:18:02
  church. If the truth is so obvious, then
• 3:18:03
  why don't we all agree? I already mentioned a number of
• 3:18:08
  reasons why I agree. You have different Bibles with
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  no doctrine. That's why.
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  Well, not just that, not just that, but you.
• 3:18:16
  It's what? The real, The real problem is
• 3:18:18
  that you have flawed creatures within the church.
• 3:18:20
  That's number one. And #2 you have some fraudulent
• 3:18:24
  believers, people who have crept in unawares, who want to deceive
• 3:18:27
  people. OK, let me ask you a concrete
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  question then. Weko and I, I I know that you
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  don't want to talk about Isaac, but I'm going to use.
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  I don't care. I'll talk about it as an
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  example, OK. Do you believe in the God of
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  Isaac? Do I believe in the God of
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  Isaac? Yeah, the same.
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  Well, let me just put it this way.
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  I don't know if Isaac is truly saved or not, so I won't
• 3:18:53
  fellowship with the guy for that reason.
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  But I'm not going to sit here and say that he's not saved
• 3:18:57
  either, because he seems to be the bare essentials of the
• 3:18:59
  faith. So I don't believe in that God.
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  You're saying I don't know what that means.
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  I'm I'm, I will explain it because that God made him into
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  what he is today. Oh my gosh, fro you can't.
• 3:19:18
  OK, if you want to believe that, that's fine.
• 3:19:21
  I would say this. Here's what if, if Isaac, if I
• 3:19:24
  were to ask Isaac what he believes, what is the gospel?
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  I'm pretty certain, based off of what I've heard, that he knows
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  he'll say the same exact thing that the majority of us in this
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  room would say, that Jesus died on a cross and he rose from the
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  grave three days later and he's through him and him alone, not
• 3:19:41
  of words. Why don't you act like that?
• 3:19:43
  What about you? You're doing all this cussing
• 3:19:46
  and swearing and all this other stuff.
• 3:19:48
  So, so, so wait, wait, why? Why are you pointing fingers at
• 3:19:51
  him? So wait a minute.
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  So, so why are you pointing fingers at him?
• 3:19:55
  But wait. But wait fo let me ask you why?
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  See, you're doing it again. It woe is me.
• 3:20:00
  It's Isaac's fault that I'm lost my faith.
• 3:20:02
  It's Isaac's fault that I don't want to be identified with the
• 3:20:05
  term Christianity. So you need to focus on Isaac in
• 3:20:09
  God's I in Isaac's God. Look, you can disagree with
• 3:20:13
  Isaac on his doctrine, maybe OK, but you don't have the
• 3:20:17
  authority. Neither does Jack smack.
• 3:20:19
  Neither does Tucker 1611. They none of you have the
• 3:20:22
  authority to sit here and say that he has that he's not saved
• 3:20:25
  just because you disagree with his behavior.
• 3:20:27
  That is not saved. OK, but you but you're saying
• 3:20:30
  that I curse his God. OK, you can curse his God.
• 3:20:33
  I don't know. I would I would be curse to his
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  God. I don't believe in this God.
• 3:20:37
  You don't even. Well, OK, well, what God does he
• 3:20:39
  believe in then? Does he believe in you know not
• 3:20:41
  to God? How do you know?
• 3:20:45
  How do you know what I'm saying? See, now we're back in the same
• 3:20:48
  circle. You don't believe in his God.
• 3:20:49
  Why? Because of the way he behaves.
• 3:20:52
  Yes. OK, Now I can say the same thing
• 3:20:54
  about you. I don't believe in your God
• 3:20:55
  because of the way you don't believe you behave.
• 3:20:57
  You don't believe in the one true God.
• 3:20:59
  OK, You're doing all this cussing and swearing and all
• 3:21:02
  this other stuff, but that tells me that you don't worship the
• 3:21:05
  one true God. OK, Cool.
• 3:21:09
  OK, so when you say that Isaac, but see what you're doing
• 3:21:14
  though, is you're, you're blaming you're you're pointing
• 3:21:16
  the finger at Isaac when you shouldn't be doing that.
• 3:21:20
  Isaac has nothing to do with the status that you have right now,
• 3:21:23
  the state that you're in right now.
• 3:21:27
  I'm glad you know that no other person I do know that anything
• 3:21:31
  to do with your relationship with Jesus Christ.
• 3:21:35
  You either know him or you don't.
• 3:21:37
  You either love him or you don't.
• 3:21:39
  If you have some false Jesus that you made-up in your own
• 3:21:43
  mind. And this is again why I'm
• 3:21:45
  pointing to the danger of these Bibles versions that change the
• 3:21:49
  doctrine of Christ. That's a problem when the
• 3:21:53
  original document says anyone that doesn't have the doctrine
• 3:21:56
  that the doctrine of Christ says whosoever transgressed us and if
• 3:22:02
  I was God in the doctrine of Christ hath not God he that
• 3:22:06
  abideth in the doctrine of Christ.
• 3:22:08
  Even if they had the true, true documents, Brandon, that doesn't
• 3:22:12
  mean that people can have a true comprehension of what the
• 3:22:15
  Scriptures are saying. So when those the false
• 3:22:17
  documents or the true documents, that's our duty as more mature
• 3:22:22
  Christians. There you go.
• 3:22:25
  Listen, I said more mature Christians, we've spent no, I
• 3:22:28
  agree, I agree, researching and arguing these matters.
• 3:22:31
  That's Ephesians 4 for us to Yep.
• 3:22:33
  It's time for us to buckle up now and go.
• 3:22:36
  OK. What is exactly the doctrine of
• 3:22:39
  Christ and this. Yeah, you're quoting, you're
• 3:22:41
  quoting Ephesians 4, right? We, we have to have an authority
• 3:22:46
  of doctrine. This is why the Bible issue is
• 3:22:49
  so important. It cannot be just fucking easily
• 3:22:54
  overlooked and you can't just sit here and prepare it for Bart
• 3:22:58
  Ehrman's arguments. Someone who doesn't understand
• 3:23:01
  prophecy at all because he doesn't believe.
• 3:23:03
  I agree with you on that. But again, I don't think you've
• 3:23:06
  studied this topic that that as much as you claim that you have.
• 3:23:10
  I really, I, I'm sorry and you and you're definitely.
• 3:23:13
  But here's your biggest problem that everybody here in this
• 3:23:16
  panel has with you. You don't have a single verse
• 3:23:19
  that suggests that one must be in the King James in order to be
• 3:23:23
  in right salvific or a sanctified standing with God.
• 3:23:26
  But I mean, if you found out, though, that all of these other
• 3:23:31
  Bible versions were basically a plot of so somebody's going to
• 3:23:35
  hell if they read the King James and say, you know what?
• 3:23:38
  I can't do the King James anymore.
• 3:23:39
  I'm tired of the Elizabethan language.
• 3:23:44
  Let me go to something more. You must be.
• 3:23:46
  But hey, that's fine. But they must be aware of the
• 3:23:49
  doctrinal changes. That's all I'm saying.
• 3:23:52
  But if they believe in the doctrinal, if they believe in
• 3:23:54
  the doctrine that's in the original manuscripts and in the
• 3:23:58
  King James, I think they're perfectly fine.
• 3:24:01
  If they go to a different place, the Bible.
• 3:24:03
  Yeah, the the Bible even reveals this issue with, you know,
• 3:24:07
  Priscilla and Aquila when they took Apollos, the great
• 3:24:11
  preacher, and they taught him the gospel more perfectly.
• 3:24:15
  This guy just came from Alexandria, Egypt, where all the
• 3:24:19
  manuscripts that produce all the other versions of Bible come
• 3:24:24
  from. And if you, you know, I'm sure
• 3:24:26
  you've heard in this argument many times, lots of people will
• 3:24:30
  sit there and say that, you know, Wescott was a deist and
• 3:24:33
  stuff. And no, no, no, if you examine
• 3:24:36
  the actual truth. And this is the video that I
• 3:24:38
  posted today where David Daniels is showing you what this guy
• 3:24:42
  wrote in his diary, that he was totally trying to believe Christ
• 3:24:49
  and be a good Christian. And then he went and met with at
• 3:24:52
  the Vatican and everything changed for this guy.
• 3:24:55
  That's anecdotal. I don't.
• 3:24:57
  I don't want to anyway. Becco highly.
• 3:24:59
  I love you and I do respect you. And I hope you know that we can
• 3:25:04
  disagree on your belief, but I still no frost talking.
• 3:25:08
  I I still respect you, Echo. And I want you to know that I'm
• 3:25:12
  not angry at you. I'm not angry at for you.
• 3:25:16
  Yeah, well, the same here. It's just that I I just wish
• 3:25:18
  there was a little bit more discernment practice on your
• 3:25:20
  part when you go around saying I hate Christians.
• 3:25:23
  I'm not a Christian anymore because what you're doing is you
• 3:25:26
  look, you're having this experience with a small handful
• 3:25:29
  of people in this world, and then you're just going to say,
• 3:25:32
  you know what, I'm done. I'm done with Christianity.
• 3:25:35
  But wait a minute. Why do you say that these
• 3:25:38
  individuals that you have an issue with represent
• 3:25:40
  Christianity? You know, that's what an atheist
• 3:25:43
  does with us. Atheists do that to us.
• 3:25:45
  I, I understand your, your point and they did it is a valid can I
• 3:25:51
  can I, it's, it's a valid point. I just I, I, I just want to give
• 3:25:56
  up because I'm can I, can I bring up a point real quick.
• 3:26:01
  That way you might actually appreciate this.
• 3:26:04
  You know, Paul in the scriptures was treated horrendously by his
• 3:26:09
  own people who profess Christ as well.
• 3:26:13
  That's why he says about like Alexander and a few other
• 3:26:17
  individuals. So we should really, I would
• 3:26:22
  encourage you guys to look to Paul and and see how, you know,
• 3:26:28
  he was betrayed and treated like garbage by his own people, but
• 3:26:33
  yet he still kept the faith. Why?
• 3:26:35
  Because he didn't let he would not allow.
• 3:26:40
  Well, first of all, he understood what Christ taught
• 3:26:43
  and he understood well, Jesus didn't teach this.
• 3:26:46
  So I know what they're doing is wrong and I'm not going to allow
• 3:26:49
  them to affect what faith I have in my slavery.
• 3:26:53
  And you know, you should. If if you were to allow people
• 3:26:58
  to influence you and what it is that you believe, then how is it
• 3:27:04
  that you, you can therefore believe anything?
• 3:27:06
  No, that's that that's the devil will twist your mind up.
• 3:27:10
  Oh, my gosh, I, I see that. Just to ask real quick, Jared,
• 3:27:14
  before I go, you you do know that Paul spent three years with
• 3:27:19
  Jesus face to face, right? I'm, I'm not going to get into
• 3:27:25
  that. I feel like, but I appreciate
• 3:27:29
  all of you and I I do appreciate what you're saying.
• 3:27:33
  Yeah. You'll be OK, bro.
• 3:27:36
  You'll be alright, man. It's OK.
• 3:27:37
  I'm angry, man. I I struggle.
• 3:27:40
  You need to cling to your Bible. That's what you need.
• 3:27:43
  You need to cling to your Bible, man.
• 3:27:45
  Trust those words. Trust God only.
• 3:27:49
  Never trust men. Trust God.
• 3:27:52
  Period. End of story.
• 3:27:56
  Who cares what they say? I don't care.
• 3:27:59
  I care what the Lord says. You know, more practical level
• 3:28:03
  to some exercise might help too get get over this stuff.
• 3:28:06
  But you know, it's just it's just.
• 3:28:09
  And if you're getting depressed, go out and help people that will
• 3:28:12
  always cheer you. Say that again, Brandon,
• 3:28:16
  Brandon, say that again. Go out and yeah, go out and do
• 3:28:19
  something nice. Oh, oh, oh, wait, Brandon, say
• 3:28:21
  that one more time. That's awesome.
• 3:28:22
  Say it again. Go out and do something nice for
• 3:28:26
  someone else. If you're, if you're what, Bill
• 3:28:29
  Bell, if you're depressed, oh, brand new, I like your avatar.
• 3:28:32
  That's powerful right there. That's powerful others.
• 3:28:36
  That's powerful right out of depression.
• 3:28:38
  That's powerful right there. You want to know something?
• 3:28:41
  There was a guy who discipled me.
• 3:28:43
  He said the exact same thing to me seven years ago because he
• 3:28:48
  himself suffered a depression. And he said, you know what is 1?
• 3:28:51
  His one way to counter depression was to go serve
• 3:28:56
  others and to give praise to them, even if it's just giving
• 3:28:59
  them a phone call and and just praising them with positive,
• 3:29:03
  positive comments. Go out.
• 3:29:08
  Go out and have someone sign a contract.
• 3:29:10
  Brandon, thank you so much for bringing that up, man.
• 3:29:13
  Despite the King James, The King James only nonsense.
• 3:29:16
  You doing some intelligence? I'm just kidding.
• 3:29:20
  I have my moments. Yeah.
• 3:29:21
  I'm not a total fucking moron. Yeah, I actually do.
• 3:29:25
  That's powerful, man. See, now what Brandon just said
• 3:29:28
  right there. No human wants to do you know
• 3:29:31
  what we want to do? We want to weep in our own
• 3:29:33
  sorrow. We want to point the fingers at
• 3:29:36
  other people walking around saying woe is me, I didn't do
• 3:29:40
  nothing. It's not my fault.
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  Look what they did. It's their fault that I'm in
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  this mess. I'm great.
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  But that's what the devil wants. The devil wants you to weep in
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  in sorrow and in depression so that you don't trust God.
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  People don't give the enemy enough credit nowadays.
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  And if you don't, if you don't know the power of Satan, you'll
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  never see the great power of God.
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  That's why you better be aware of all the Wiles of the devil as
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  we have entered the we have entered the most deceptive
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  period of time the world has ever seen with what's coming up.
• 3:30:19
  No, I'd much rather live in 2026 than 15 hundreds.
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  I'm saying that we're in a much more deceptive time.
• 3:30:30
  Everyone in this room would be hung back in the day.
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  Just saying I live in some of the most peaceful times.
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  Yeah, but you. But look at how many different
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  denominations of Christianity there are.
• 3:30:47
  Look at all of the conflict and and the disorganization of of
• 3:30:52
  biblical Christianity while everybody's being lured.
• 3:30:56
  Now when everyone being lured, you would do you know the
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  pageantry and the order of the Catholic Church.
• 3:31:04
  That's why you got guys like Sailor.
• 3:31:06
  There we go with Brandon. Would you, would you at least
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  say, OK, a person who is not King James only is still saved,
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  but I wouldn't let them lead any Bible studies in my
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  congregation, right? Would you at least say that?
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  Yes, I would say that there. You're not going to be a
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  teacher, dude, because you don't got your doctrine straight if
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  you haven't examined these issues.
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  Well, I mean, even if they have the right doctrine, they go
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  ahead, don't, don't go to the Brandon Irish Church.
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  There will never ever be a Brandon Irish Church.
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  I'm brother Brandon. That's all I'm ever going to be.
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  I'm not going to be a pastor. I'm not here to sell books or
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  get fucking memberships or any of that.
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  I'm actually concerned, I'm I'm, I'm actually concerned with with
• 3:31:55
  us being united as the body of Christ on doctrine.
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  We got it's doctrine is the key to the well, what about just the
• 3:32:03
  essentials? I mean, there's you're never
• 3:32:05
  going to have two Christians agree on 100% everything.
• 3:32:09
  Yeah. It's just not going to happen
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  because humans are retarded, because humans are retarded.
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  OK, Brandon, you're, we need to have Brandon, you're denying
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  there's work to do. You're, you're you're denying
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  the finite fallibility of human beings when you talk like that,
• 3:32:27
  denying it, yes, you are, because you're, you're, you're
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  trying to say like, oh, we can be perfect.
• 3:32:33
  No, we cannot be perfect. Speedism, what you're talking,
• 3:32:36
  it's not defeatism. No, it's reality.
• 3:32:39
  It's reality. It is reality.
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  We won't be perfect until the consummation, man.
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  You don't think people would fucking notice if there was an
• 3:32:51
  actual church or a body of believers?
• 3:32:54
  Wait, wait a minute. Hold on.
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  You must have an issue with Paul and Barnabas then.
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  Remember, they separated. They went their different ways.
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  Was part of us? Was Paul proven to be a false
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  prophet or Barnabas? But yet they're So do you think
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  was Barnabas proven to be a false prophet because Paul
• 3:33:10
  decided to go their separate ways?
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  Paul, really? Show me the scripture.
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  Show me the scripture. Show me, OK, everybody, he's
• 3:33:20
  going to be going through his Bible.
• 3:33:21
  He's going to show us the argument that Paul and Barnabas,
• 3:33:24
  when they decided to part ways, he's going to prove to us that
• 3:33:28
  the reason why they parted ways was because Barnabas was
• 3:33:30
  pointed, was proven to be a false prophet.
• 3:33:33
  So or false teacher. So we're going to see that from
• 3:33:36
  Brandon. Wasn't it an argument over
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  Titus? It was, it was argument over
• 3:33:40
  John Mark. John Mark was going to go with,
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  I think something like that. But but but Brandon, he's got
• 3:33:46
  something profound, not esoteric, but profound.
• 3:33:50
  You know, he's going to show us that bottom.
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  No, there's only there's one thing that I want to say.
• 3:33:54
  You know, I'm here. I do.
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  I do just want to say more than one person.
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  Smokey, I am terribly sorry for the things that I have said to
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  you for you to feel this way. I really honestly AM.
• 3:34:05
  And the other thing I am going to tell you as well is
• 3:34:09
  Christianity is not a title for other people to see what God is.
• 3:34:14
  Christianity is inside you, Jesus Christ is inside you.
• 3:34:19
  The idea that you're trying to see how other people are
• 3:34:22
  according to Christianity, that's work base.
• 3:34:25
  We cannot do that. Everyone else is going to fall
• 3:34:28
  short from the glory of God. No one is going to match up to
• 3:34:30
  become perfect. And reality is I am a child of
• 3:34:34
  God and I am a Christian. That's what it means to be a
• 3:34:38
  Christian. I know where my stance is with
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  the heavenly Father. God bless everyone and just have
• 3:34:45
  a wonderful day. God bless, man.
• 3:34:49
  Appreciate that. I ain't got no beef with that.
• 3:34:52
  Yeah, no, no beef. He showed some humility, man.
• 3:34:58
  I listen you, some of you in here know how I feel about guys
• 3:35:02
  like Graham Gold. Gold.
• 3:35:05
  I can't pronounce his name right.
• 3:35:08
  I've said this. I've said this out publicly.
• 3:35:10
  I'll say it again here. I don't mind.
• 3:35:13
  I believe he's a brother, but I can't stand him.
• 3:35:16
  I can't stand him. I don't like listening to his
• 3:35:18
  voice. I would never go to one of his
• 3:35:20
  dreams ever again because when all I hear from that guy is
• 3:35:24
  vitriol, he I mean, he was the last debate he was in with
• 3:35:28
  really, really nice guy, twitchy theologian, probably one of the
• 3:35:32
  most polite people you ever going to meet on on the on the
• 3:35:35
  Internet. And yet still that didn't stop
• 3:35:38
  this guy Graham from blowing his top, yelling at the guy for
• 3:35:44
  nothing because he has a quick temper and then he rage quit.
• 3:35:48
  If you don't believe me, you can see the debate yourself.
• 3:35:51
  Me personally, I have a pet peeve for people who have a
• 3:35:53
  short temper. I can't stand being around
• 3:35:55
  people like that. But that doesn't mean that I'm
• 3:35:57
  going to declare them to not be saved.
• 3:35:59
  I mean, could be in circumstantial evidence that
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  they're not saved. I don't know, you know, because
• 3:36:03
  he's quick tempered, but you know, he's a, he's a professor
• 3:36:08
  of the faith and I believe he's I believe he's a he's a brother,
• 3:36:14
  but I, I want nothing to do with him.
• 3:36:16
  I can't stand the guy and that and that.
• 3:36:20
  And so I separate myself. I disassociate my I unsubscribe
• 3:36:23
  from his channel. Whenever he and Kevin are live
• 3:36:26
  together on Kevin's channel, I watch another channel, I watch
• 3:36:30
  another video because I don't like Graham.
• 3:36:32
  I can't stand him. And there's many people that
• 3:36:35
  feel the same way about me. And so you have the right to do
• 3:36:39
  that, but it's not going to affect my look, my outlook on
• 3:36:44
  Christianity or the church just because I got one or two people
• 3:36:48
  who just get on my nerves. You know, just want to say that.
• 3:37:00
  Yeah, I actually had a question for Smokey.
• 3:37:02
  Is he just saying, because you know, Dave, Dave kind of said
• 3:37:07
  the same thing was that he was saying like your God, like
• 3:37:11
  saying like he doesn't believe and their God basically saying
• 3:37:16
  like they have a different God than than the God that they
• 3:37:18
  believe in, which they believe is false.
• 3:37:24
  I mean, that's that's kind of the question I had.
• 3:37:26
  I had for him. But but he left.
• 3:37:29
  No, I don't think he's just saying it.
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  I think he's really having a having a well, no, not well, no,
• 3:37:35
  not not just saying that. Well, no, I'm, I'm not saying
• 3:37:38
  he's just saying it to say I'm, I'm wondering what he means
• 3:37:41
  because, you know, people do have done where like, oh, well,
• 3:37:46
  I don't believe in in your God. I I believe in the God of the
• 3:37:49
  Bible. Like I, I don't believe your God
• 3:37:54
  exists. The one that you believe in that
• 3:37:58
  I think he's just mad because of your doctrine.
• 3:38:01
  I was thinking of demos. My bad.
• 3:38:05
  Oh, it's alright. Yeah, yeah, it was, yeah.
• 3:38:11
  They didn't separate because of the false doctrine or whatever.
• 3:38:14
  I think there was just some ministerial stuff they figured
• 3:38:18
  they'd cover more ground separating up with.
• 3:38:22
  See, and Christians can have these type of disagreements.
• 3:38:24
  Are you like, you know what, Brandon, you go your way, I'm
• 3:38:27
  going my way, you know, but I'm still not going to go behind
• 3:38:31
  your back and say, well, you know, I don't think they did
• 3:38:33
  that. They, they, they did, you know,
• 3:38:35
  their, their attitude was, look, you need to go in that direction
• 3:38:38
  and preach the word. And I'm going to head in this
• 3:38:40
  direction and preach the word because people need to hear
• 3:38:43
  what's up. Same thing with Abraham and and
• 3:38:46
  his his nephew Lot. You know, his people were
• 3:38:49
  arguing with Abraham's people. And you know, then he says, OK,
• 3:38:52
  fine, Abraham took the High Road and of humility and says, OK,
• 3:38:56
  we'll go this side and you, your people go on that side, that
• 3:39:00
  kind of thing. And and from there it's it's
• 3:39:04
  between God's hands. And again, I don't want to come
• 3:39:06
  off as a Vecco Vicki know everything.
• 3:39:09
  I don't echo, you know, everything.
• 3:39:13
  This is why what what I would like to accomplish is if we had
• 3:39:17
  like a a serious room where where people that are serious
• 3:39:21
  about doctrine and they they they really know the Bible
• 3:39:24
  pretty well. Like I've I've tried to contact
• 3:39:27
  Sam Shimon, God logic, Miles Christian.
• 3:39:32
  Yeah, yeah, the other. I mean, I'm having a you know
• 3:39:34
  what I mean. They, they, they, no one ever
• 3:39:37
  hears my full position before they fucking react.
• 3:39:40
  That's why I'm like, Sam Shimon's another one, man.
• 3:39:43
  He's who Sam Shimon's another one.
• 3:39:46
  I'm just saying like, man, if, if we all could like, you know,
• 3:39:49
  let's go over with your Bible knowledge and my Bible
• 3:39:52
  knowledge. Let's fucking hash this out.
• 3:39:54
  What exactly is the complete full doctrine of Christ so we
• 3:39:59
  can easily show people? Hey buddy, This is why you're
• 3:40:03
  not in the faith. So you're you.
• 3:40:06
  You don't like the term, but you're in breach of contract is
• 3:40:08
  how I explain it. You need to come back into the
• 3:40:11
  covenant and make sure you're good with God.
• 3:40:14
  Can I, can I offer a suggestion? Can I offer a suggestion?
• 3:40:22
  If you're in a group, if you're in a room of people who don't
• 3:40:24
  align with KJV only, you should put that aside.
• 3:40:27
  Because if you if you come across as KJV only anything that
• 3:40:31
  they say from a different Bible version, they're not going to
• 3:40:34
  feel comfortable discussing any type of theology with you right
• 3:40:39
  there would be that needs to be established is like you know,
• 3:40:43
  that's that's the first issue is what is going to be the
• 3:40:47
  authority of the body. Well, I don't think anyone wants
• 3:40:49
  to spend 10 hours debating KJV only.
• 3:40:52
  I mean, sorry, but one of these Bibles, if all are valid, then
• 3:40:56
  none are authoritative. And that is why we have 1000
• 3:41:00
  different brands of Christianity.
• 3:41:02
  And I would also like to state for the record that I can prove
• 3:41:05
  to you, to you, that this was, you know, a counter reformation
• 3:41:10
  movement by the Jesuits of the Catholic Church.
• 3:41:14
  And it's fucking working if we now look back from our point.
• 3:41:18
  So who has the right? Who has the right belief then?
• 3:41:21
  Is it the free gracers? Is it the Calvinists?
• 3:41:23
  Is it the Armenians? I mean, you know, is it, well,
• 3:41:26
  who, who, who has the there's? Yeah, there's another.
• 3:41:29
  According to you, though, we dress, yes.
• 3:41:31
  That's another issue that needs to be discussed is, you know,
• 3:41:35
  this, can you lose your salvation?
• 3:41:38
  You know, that's another one. God bless everybody.
• 3:41:40
  I remember going to do you have a free will or not?
• 3:41:44
  God bless you fro God bless but but Brandon, you have to ask
• 3:41:49
  yourself hold on a second Brandon.
• 3:41:51
  All these people that use the different translations believe
• 3:41:53
  in the essentials. Jesus is the Christ.
• 3:41:57
  There is only one God within the one being called God that
• 3:41:59
  coexist 3 persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
• 3:42:02
  That Jesus the second person of the Trinity died on the cross
• 3:42:06
  and he rose from the grave. OK three days later he rose from
• 3:42:10
  the grave. That is what we want you to
• 3:42:12
  enter into grace. OK, right, right.
• 3:42:17
  So now from from there, what you're talking is more academic
• 3:42:20
  than anything else, not having anything to do with your
• 3:42:23
  salvific status. We need to have a yes.
• 3:42:25
  This is where you know, because the Bible does say that if you
• 3:42:29
  don't have the doctrine of Christ, you don't have the
• 3:42:31
  Father or the Son. That should be alarming.
• 3:42:34
  That should make any OK. What is the doctrine of the
• 3:42:36
  Christ has nothing to do with the translation, but it has
• 3:42:39
  everything to do with the main message.
• 3:42:41
  But it does have the no, it doesn't.
• 3:42:44
  Like I pointed out to you before with all the textual variances
• 3:42:47
  between the the different manuscripts, forget about the
• 3:42:50
  translations. I'm talking about the
• 3:42:51
  manuscripts. Now you have, let's talk about
• 3:42:55
  the manuscripts real quick. Let's talk about the manuscripts
• 3:42:58
  because even Bar Ehrman himself in that debate with James White
• 3:43:01
  failed miserably in pointing out the fact that there was a major
• 3:43:04
  discrepancy between all the different area of variances in
• 3:43:08
  the manuscripts. All of them.
• 3:43:10
  Yes, you might have some different words.
• 3:43:11
  Hold on. You might have different words
• 3:43:12
  here and there in this manuscript or this verse here,
• 3:43:15
  then for the next one, but that, but the message was still the
• 3:43:19
  same. The integrity of the message was
• 3:43:21
  still the same. Yes, yes, it is true.
• 3:43:25
  Yes, it is true. Listen, let me tell you why.
• 3:43:27
  OK, Here's the most major of all doctrines that has been altered
• 3:43:32
  in these other Bible versions. And again, to me, one major
• 3:43:37
  doctrine that's been changed by one of the manuscripts.
• 3:43:42
  I'm talking, I'm talking about the translation.
• 3:43:44
  I'm talking about the manuscripts, OK, The
• 3:43:46
  manuscripts, we have all of the manuscripts that were gathered
• 3:43:49
  up in Alexandria, Egypt, and in Rome.
• 3:43:52
  Then you have the other land of manuscripts that were all
• 3:43:55
  gathered up in Jerusalem and in Antioch, who eventually is all.
• 3:44:00
  No, no, no, I didn't ask you that.
• 3:44:01
  I'm asking you give me an example of 1 manuscript that
• 3:44:05
  blatantly suggests that, like for example, that Jesus did not
• 3:44:09
  rise from the grave. Is there any manuscript that
• 3:44:12
  suggests that you're missing the issue?
• 3:44:16
  Now hold on. You're missing the issue.
• 3:44:18
  I'm not missing it. No, I'm talking about an
• 3:44:20
  essential. I'm talking about something that
• 3:44:24
  is essential. The message again, you're
• 3:44:27
  getting off track. You're missing what I'm trying
• 3:44:29
  to point out to you. Right?
• 3:44:31
  Because again, does the Bible say if you don't have the
• 3:44:33
  doctrine of Christ, then you do not have God?
• 3:44:36
  Yes or no? No, but first John chapter 5
• 3:44:41
  says if you don't, he who doesn't have the Son has not
• 3:44:44
  suspected. John Chapter 9 Whosoever
• 3:44:48
  transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not
• 3:44:52
  God. What is the doctrine of Christ?
• 3:44:54
  What is the doctrine of Christ? The doctrine of Christ is number
• 3:44:58
  first and foremost. Is understanding that Jesus
• 3:45:02
  Christ is the Creator manifest in the flesh correct?
• 3:45:07
  That would be the family. No, no.
• 3:45:09
  That he died on the cross and he rose from the grave.
• 3:45:12
  I'm gonna give you the five components of it.
• 3:45:14
  Faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism, receiving
• 3:45:17
  the gift of the Holy Ghost, enduring to to the end.
• 3:45:22
  OK, so you're telling me that you don't have to believe that
• 3:45:25
  Jesus is the creator and you have correct doctrine?
• 3:45:28
  Everybody knows that God is the creator.
• 3:45:30
  Romans chapter 1 says that, yeah.
• 3:45:33
  But all of the yeah, all of these other manuscripts from
• 3:45:37
  from Alexandria, Egypt, and from Rome and Rome, they all, they
• 3:45:42
  all claim that Jesus, everything was created through Jesus, not
• 3:45:48
  by. So what?
• 3:45:50
  So what through by is the same thing?
• 3:45:54
  No, it's not the same thing. See, see, there you go.
• 3:45:57
  You're you're nitpicking there, see.
• 3:46:00
  No, these are what some translations say some what
• 3:46:04
  what's the what's the Greek say for the word through or by
• 3:46:08
  What's the Greek say not No human being today is a better
• 3:46:14
  and more well equipped to translate scripture than the men
• 3:46:18
  that did the job of the then why, why?
• 3:46:22
  Wait a minute, this is coming from the guy who's doing around
• 3:46:25
  telling everybody that you must have the proper translation in
• 3:46:29
  order to be in right standing with God.
• 3:46:31
  Come on, man. I'm asking you, what is the what
• 3:46:35
  is the Greek word for the word through and or by in the Greek?
• 3:46:40
  What is it? No, tell me.
• 3:46:42
  You tell me because you're making a big deal about the word
• 3:46:46
  through. This is through.
• 3:46:46
  That's not right. You said through is the word is
• 3:46:48
  not through. The video that I posted on my
• 3:46:51
  you and I cooperative channel goes over this thoroughly.
• 3:46:54
  You should watch it and if you think it's bullshit instead of
• 3:46:59
  just answering a question. I don't want to study anything
• 3:47:03
  else I or anything. What did you get for teaching
• 3:47:06
  things? Best of luck with that shit.
• 3:47:09
  Best of luck with that. You're you're damning yourself.
• 3:47:13
  How are we damning ourselves? We're damning our stuff because
• 3:47:15
  we don't watch your video. Yeah, right.
• 3:47:18
  That's hope. That's hope mentality right
• 3:47:21
  there. Tracks go on to check tracks and
• 3:47:23
  go and just put in Bible school and the video will pop up and
• 3:47:27
  you can look at the history of it.
• 3:47:30
  We're damning ourselves because we challenge you.
• 3:47:34
  I have the definition of the of the word yeah, through in the in
• 3:47:40
  the lexical summary, the word is dia, which means through by
• 3:47:44
  because of for the sake of. In the KJV it says at for for
• 3:47:49
  the KJV specifically, it says after always among, at, to
• 3:47:52
  avoid. Because of that briefly by for,
• 3:47:56
  for FORE from, in, by occasion of it.
• 3:48:00
  It has a lot of definitions from for the KJV.
• 3:48:04
  Now for the NASB. For for the NASB, it's through
• 3:48:09
  because sake. Reason sakes.
• 3:48:11
  Account means word origin, a primary preposition to knowing
• 3:48:14
  the channel of an act. So through and by are the same
• 3:48:21
  word. Can I say something now?
• 3:48:24
  Hey, David Daniels, he went to Bible college.
• 3:48:28
  He speaks Greek. He know.
• 3:48:30
  He knows the whole stick. All right?
• 3:48:33
  And I'm telling you right now, you're in dangerous territory
• 3:48:37
  because David Daniels said it right.
• 3:48:39
  No, no, no, no. Because you're believing A
• 3:48:42
  lexicon more than the word of God.
• 3:48:45
  That's a Oh my gosh, that's the end of this discussion.
• 3:48:49
  The lexicon is based. Wow.
• 3:48:51
  Wow. I can't believe it.
• 3:48:53
  I can't believe it. Wow.
• 3:48:55
  That's that's the end of this discussion.
• 3:48:57
  Dude. The lexicon is based off the
• 3:48:59
  grief of the Bible. That's the moron.
• 3:49:02
  Wow. Wow, that you're it.
• 3:49:03
  Wow, this is amazing. It's amazing.
• 3:49:06
  You just got to criticizing us, telling us no man knows that the
• 3:49:10
  actual definition. But then here you are
• 3:49:12
  criticizing us when we show you a definition and you don't
• 3:49:15
  provide us any other counter to it.
• 3:49:18
  You just simply disregard it. We showed you what the Greek
• 3:49:23
  word is for through and by in the King James, and you
• 3:49:27
  disregard it. But then you turn around and say
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  that the manuscript is wrong because it says the word that
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  the world was made through Jesus, not by, even though it's
• 3:49:37
  the same thing when somebody else is talking.
• 3:49:39
  Or are you having a hard time hearing man?
• 3:49:42
  Luke, who's talking? Luke who's talking for a minute.
• 3:49:44
  Shut up up and quit interrupting me like a child.
• 3:49:48
  I'm just trying to tell you, David Daniels goes over this.
• 3:49:51
  I don't care what David Daniels says.
• 3:49:52
  I know 'cause you're David Daniels is wrong.
• 3:49:55
  I think you got to help figure it out.
• 3:49:57
  You're not you're, you're, you are wrong.
• 3:49:59
  David Daniels is not the consensus.
• 3:50:02
  David Daniels. This is appeal to authority.
• 3:50:04
  This is appeal to authority fallacy.
• 3:50:06
  Wrong. One person does not equal the
• 3:50:10
  the consensus. That's his problem.
• 3:50:11
  He thinks one person equals the actual consensus, right?
• 3:50:15
  You guys are so fucking clueless.
• 3:50:17
  It is so pathetic how fucking naive you guys.
• 3:50:21
  All things were created for him, by him and for him.
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  And he is before all things and by him and by him all things
• 3:50:32
  consist of if surface us through him or not.
• 3:50:36
  Now we're reading the new world translation.
• 3:50:38
  I got you, I got you see, Brandon, you are a perfect
• 3:50:42
  example of why we even having this why we're in this room
• 3:50:45
  today. You're a perfect example of it.
• 3:50:48
  Somebody that actually is a scholar.
• 3:50:51
  We're not against investigating these, these topics, but when
• 3:50:54
  you're trying to shove this stuff down people's throat as if
• 3:50:56
  there's some civic value to it, then we got a problem.
• 3:51:00
  And we, we have the doctrine of Christ, which you do not because
• 3:51:04
  you believe that you, we don't have a problem with people
• 3:51:07
  studying these things out and searching that, searching these
• 3:51:09
  things out. We don't have a problem with
• 3:51:11
  that. What we do have a problem with
• 3:51:13
  is you going around shoving this guy Brandon people still as if
• 3:51:17
  there's some significant value to it when there isn't one
• 3:51:19
  minute. Give me 60 seconds with Brandon.
• 3:51:22
  That's all I need. OK, that's Brandon.
• 3:51:25
  I'll take my 30 seconds. You take your 30 seconds.
• 3:51:28
  No, no, seriously. I got a I got a serious request.
• 3:51:31
  I got a serious request. I'm going to submit to you for
• 3:51:37
  the next week. So if you got time, come over to
• 3:51:40
  my channel. Just going to you and me.
• 3:51:42
  No, you don't have time. I'm already.
• 3:51:45
  I've already, dude. I have work to do like I've
• 3:51:47
  spent. Oh, well, you don't seem to be
• 3:51:48
  too busy today trying to use the point.
• 3:51:50
  But I said when you have time, the night.
• 3:51:53
  So you don't have time. OK, Sure.
• 3:51:55
  Yeah, how about we take the next month 'cause you're such a busy
• 3:51:58
  guy and you don't have any time. He said that an hour ago.
• 3:52:01
  We'll take the next 30 days then, give you a lot of time.
• 3:52:04
  Then maybe you could find one or two days out of 30 or one or two
• 3:52:08
  hours. No problem if you want to get
• 3:52:10
  sick. What we're going to?
• 3:52:11
  No. Will you let me see?
• 3:52:13
  Let me finish, though. Could you let me at least?
• 3:52:15
  Do you know what my request is? Do you know what my request?
• 3:52:17
  Tell me what my request is so you can finish on this day.
• 3:52:21
  Well then are you going to listen to the rest of it or not?
• 3:52:24
  I'm trying, but you take forever.
• 3:52:26
  You keep interrupting me. I'm trying to make a request to
• 3:52:28
  you. I've lift your shield, dude, go.
• 3:52:31
  I am going, but I'm trying to talk over you.
• 3:52:34
  So let me talk. All right, All I want to do is
• 3:52:37
  like a part 1234 with Brandon on what the things are to.
• 3:52:41
  I need to start over. So I'm going to submit to you.
• 3:52:44
  We're going to do Part 1 with the news unit and Brandon Part
• 3:52:47
  2. And I'm not going to mouth after
• 3:52:49
  you tell me how it is in the Bible and what I need to believe
• 3:52:52
  and then we'll go from there. Is that is that fair?
• 3:52:56
  Fair enough. OK, thank you.
• 3:52:58
  Next. Go ahead, gentlemen.
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  Yeah, I'm just saying you might want to pay greater attention to
• 3:53:05
  this important detail. If you don't have the doctrine
• 3:53:08
  of Christ, you don't have God. If you're going to deny him as
• 3:53:11
  the Creator, then you've got the doctrine of Christ wrong right
• 3:53:13
  from the start. Yeah, right from the start.
• 3:53:16
  You've already got your people. Denying him as a Creator isn't
• 3:53:19
  what makes him unsaved. You don't know nothing, Jared.
• 3:53:24
  I'm I don't know nothing. The Bible doesn't say you are a
• 3:53:28
  baby Christian. And no, not what is John?
• 3:53:31
  There's the name calling right there.
• 3:53:33
  What is John name calling? It's real and he doesn't even
• 3:53:40
  have a fucking clue yet. That's what does John 318 say.
• 3:53:44
  A 20 year Carpenter. He doesn't want to answer it.
• 3:53:46
  What does John 318 say? What is John 318?
• 3:53:49
  He's he's stalling, so he could look for it.
• 3:53:53
  No, I'm illustrating a point. Got a chat?
• 3:53:55
  GBTA. No, no, no.
• 3:53:57
  I'm sitting here taking a piss right now.
• 3:53:59
  OK, Just so you know. But anyhow, make sure you wash
• 3:54:02
  your hands before you open that Bible.
• 3:54:03
  Yeah. You guys are children.
• 3:54:06
  You're children. It's so you deserve to be
• 3:54:08
  treated like a child, man, because you act like right now.
• 3:54:12
  No, you act like a child. Yeah, you're totally acting like
• 3:54:16
  a child right now. So you don't have any proof that
• 3:54:18
  there's some. I'll tell you what 318 says.
• 3:54:21
  He that believes her son is not condemned, but he that believeth
• 3:54:24
  not on the Son is condemned, is condemned already because he has
• 3:54:29
  not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
• 3:54:33
  So you are condemned already because you do not believe in
• 3:54:36
  the name of Jesus, not in the King James, see, but Jared, what
• 3:54:41
  he's using see he's he's going because he's a Brandon is a
• 3:54:45
  condition Brandon, Brandon. Brandon is a conditionalist
• 3:54:48
  one-on-one with Jared here for just less than less than 60
• 3:54:52
  seconds. Well, let me just real quick.
• 3:54:56
  Brandon is a conditionalist. So he'll say that you can get
• 3:54:59
  saved by believing in the gospels.
• 3:55:03
  But if you don't stick with the King James, I guess.
• 3:55:09
  OK. Over pickle.
• 3:55:12
  It's pathetic. Yes, Sir.
• 3:55:15
  I forgot what I was going to ask you because of all the tumult.
• 3:55:18
  Sorry. I was waiting.
• 3:55:21
  No, no, it's fine. I was waiting for something, and
• 3:55:23
  I wanted to follow up about it, damn it.
• 3:55:24
  And I forgot what it is now. It was about John.
• 3:55:26
  It was about John 318I read the passage.
• 3:55:30
  Oh, I know. Yeah.
• 3:55:32
  Believing on the name of Jesus. So if all we need to do is
• 3:55:36
  believe on the name of Jesus, what is the name of Jesus?
• 3:55:43
  His name? Yeah.
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  What is it? If we need to believe on the
• 3:55:46
  name of Jesus? You just said believe on the
• 3:55:49
  name of Jesus. What is the name of Jesus?
• 3:55:52
  How do you believe on a name? Well, you, you believe in who he
• 3:55:57
  says he was and who he claimed to be.
• 3:56:00
  It doesn't say that, though. Does it Claim to be?
• 3:56:02
  Who did he claim to be? He claimed he claimed to be the
• 3:56:08
  He claimed to be the Son of God. He claimed to be the Messiah.
• 3:56:15
  He Did he come across to say I'm the Messiah?
• 3:56:17
  When did he first say I'm the Messiah?
• 3:56:21
  Well, he never he. I don't think he ever he never
• 3:56:26
  outwardly said that he was the Messiah, except for one instance
• 3:56:30
  that I can remember is is the woman at the well where he I
• 3:56:33
  didn't speak under the MP and she's a Samaritan.
• 3:56:35
  So that wasn't even the Jews had no dealings of Samaritan.
• 3:56:38
  So all the Jews didn't get to know that he told he wouldn't
• 3:56:41
  tell him he was the Messiah, but they had to know it.
• 3:56:43
  They had to believe in his name and noted they had the
• 3:56:45
  scriptures. They, they had the prophecy, so
• 3:56:47
  they should have known. They shouldn't know, but they
• 3:56:52
  shouldn't know. Why does scripture always say it
• 3:56:53
  was hidden from them? They understand.
• 3:56:55
  He's Speaking of them in perils at hearing.
• 3:56:56
  They shouldn't hear and see, Oh, I'm the Calvinist.
• 3:56:59
  I'm staying out of this one. Well, because they, they were
• 3:57:04
  blinded by their, by their traditions and their and their
• 3:57:08
  adding's to the law. What were they adding to the
• 3:57:11
  law? Give me one example.
• 3:57:12
  Give me one example. They were adding to the law.
• 3:57:15
  It was different traditions, like, you know, how to wash your
• 3:57:18
  hands, how to really, Where does it say that?
• 3:57:22
  How do you know? It's that passage in Matthew
• 3:57:24
  where where they like they're criticizing the disciples for
• 3:57:28
  not washing hands as they're picking the corn.
• 3:57:30
  Leviticus goes over it. No, it doesn't.
• 3:57:33
  OK, So the law, because you're kind of a law guy.
• 3:57:37
  It was in, it was in regards to the Sabbath law.
• 3:57:39
  I think it's Matthew 15, right? Is it Matthew 15?
• 3:57:42
  I'm not sure it says not goes within the mouth that the files
• 3:57:45
  of man know what comes out from that right.
• 3:57:46
  Yeah, and it's and he also made references to the Sabbath.
• 3:57:50
  How Jesus. I just want to know when
• 3:57:52
  somebody tells you to believe on the name of Jesus, what is the
• 3:57:54
  name of Jesus? Is it Jesus just like what what
• 3:57:59
  Jared said. So the name is not when we
• 3:58:02
  that's eternally Jesus. It's some other name.
• 3:58:04
  It's Messiah. There are several passages where
• 3:58:08
  you I think in the Hebrew, if you look up the word name, look
• 3:58:11
  at the Hebrew and read the English.
• 3:58:12
  OK, Yeah. Well, well, I'm.
• 3:58:14
  I'm giving you context here because you're asking a very
• 3:58:16
  specific question. You're talking about I have to
• 3:58:18
  believe. Hold on a second.
• 3:58:20
  Let me hold on. Are you talking about an
• 3:58:21
  arrangement of syllables or sounds?
• 3:58:24
  Are you talking about a child can understand it?
• 3:58:26
  What do you believe? Jared explained it.
• 3:58:28
  I believe on the name of Donald Trump.
• 3:58:30
  What does that mean? Jared explained it simply.
• 3:58:33
  You're talking about, you're not talking about the name of
• 3:58:35
  Donald. Hold on.
• 3:58:36
  You're not talking. You're not talking about the way
• 3:58:38
  a name is pronounced or an arrangement of syllables or
• 3:58:41
  letters or anything like that. You're talking about that.
• 3:58:44
  Folks, this is Christian. No, no, this is you, Dave.
• 3:58:47
  You're not listening. This is the problem.
• 3:58:48
  This is your problem, Dave. You're asking questions and you
• 3:58:52
  don't even give anybody a chance to respond.
• 3:58:54
  And now you want to turn around and say this is Christianity.
• 3:58:58
  This is Christianity, folks. It's already hearing the answer.
• 3:59:02
  You want to run away and point the fingers and say this is
• 3:59:05
  Christian and nobody can answer my question.
• 3:59:06
  Well, we're trying to answer your question, but you don't
• 3:59:08
  want to hear it. You do that to me all the time,
• 3:59:12
  Beckel. So no, I, no, I respond to you.
• 3:59:17
  I give you a chance to respond. Yes, I do.
• 3:59:19
  I do give you a chance to respond.
• 3:59:21
  Dave, I I think you're looking for a black and white answer,
• 3:59:24
  but I'm sorry, there is a black and white answer there.
• 3:59:27
  It's in Scripture. OK, this is enough.
• 3:59:31
  It's enough. To believe in the name of Jesus
• 3:59:34
  is to put your confidence and trust that he is God.
• 3:59:38
  That's what the Son of God. He identifies himself as the Son
• 3:59:43
  of God. That is his divine identity.
• 3:59:46
  You must believe I am he or I am, or you will die in your
• 3:59:50
  sins. I don't know why.
• 3:59:51
  I don't know how much more clearer Jesus can make it
• 3:59:55
  exactly just that. That's what it means to believe
• 3:59:58
  in the name of Jesus that he is who he says.
• 4:00:02
  He is God. That's what Jarrett was pointing
• 4:00:06
  out. It's really that simple.
• 4:00:08
  Now, are you talking about name as in an arrangement of sounds
• 4:00:11
  and syllables or in a in a word, or you're talking about
• 4:00:15
  something that represents a person.
• 4:00:17
  Maybe we don't understand what name means.
• 4:00:18
  So look up the definition in Greek and Hebrew of name and
• 4:00:21
  then read it to us in English and then we'll know.
• 4:00:23
  Yeah, the, the Hebrew, the Hebrew word I think is, is
• 4:00:25
  shame. It's pronounced shame.
• 4:00:28
  And it's a Hebrew 803 something. And it's talking about the idea
• 4:00:34
  or, you know, the representation of something, memorial
• 4:00:38
  individuality. It's not talking about an
• 4:00:40
  arrangement of, of letters or syllables or sounds or
• 4:00:44
  pronunciation of a word. It's talking about the
• 4:00:47
  representation of something. You say I do something in the
• 4:00:50
  name of Dave. I do something in the name of
• 4:00:53
  Smokey. I'm not saying I'm doing it in
• 4:00:55
  the name. So you can pronounce their name
• 4:00:57
  correctly. No, I'm doing it in their honor.
• 4:01:00
  OK, and that's what Jared was trying to point out.
• 4:01:04
  The name of the name of the Son of God is above every name,
• 4:01:08
  right? It's not talking about
• 4:01:09
  syllables, OK, because we got a lot of Puerto Ricans name Jesus.
• 4:01:14
  OK, name Jesus. But we're talking about the
• 4:01:17
  authority behind the name, right?
• 4:01:22
  That he alone provides salvation, forgiveness of sin.
• 4:01:26
  He's the ultimate authority. He's alone.
• 4:01:29
  Reconciles us to God or back to God.
• 4:01:36
  And he's the only one worthy aversion.
• 4:01:38
  He's a creator, He's our savior. And there is no other name in
• 4:01:45
  which you can be saved. So it's obviously it's not
• 4:01:48
  talking about your surname or what your Mama named ya.
• 4:01:54
  She could have named him a Kota Kente and it and the scripture
• 4:02:00
  would still say he is above every name.
• 4:02:03
  Kuta Kente is above every name. It's not the name in and of
• 4:02:07
  itself that he was. Jesus was a very popular name if
• 4:02:13
  I'm not mistaken. That's correct in in those
• 4:02:17
  times. So obviously the the author is
• 4:02:21
  intending to communicate something other than just saying
• 4:02:25
  his name aloud or just believing that he exists.
• 4:02:33
  I don't know. That's clear to me when I read
• 4:02:36
  the text, obviously that that's clear to me.
• 4:02:37
  I don't know why to me struggle with that.
• 4:02:40
  The one thing that validates this is by one of the one of the
• 4:02:43
  things that validates this for me is by the simple fact that we
• 4:02:46
  have so many people in this world that use the Lord's name
• 4:02:49
  in vain. Why is that the only name under
• 4:02:52
  heaven given among men that's used in that fashion?
• 4:02:55
  I've never heard anybody stub their toe and say Muhammad or
• 4:02:58
  Confucius. Just real quick, what is what is
• 4:03:01
  Brandon trying to convince everyone of again?
• 4:03:08
  Oh, no, yeah, Brandon has that effect.
• 4:03:11
  I just, I just had to run in the store.
• 4:03:13
  Crazy, ridiculous line today. I don't know what the fuck's
• 4:03:16
  wrong with people. What, what?
• 4:03:17
  Why are we talking about Jesus as creator of things?
• 4:03:20
  Is Brandon denying Jesus as creator or something?
• 4:03:22
  What's going on? No, no, no.
• 4:03:26
  He's saying that the doctrine of Christ is believing that Jesus
• 4:03:31
  is the creator when it when that's not the doctrine of
• 4:03:34
  Christ, the doctrine of Christ. I mean the doctrine of Christ.
• 4:03:42
  I think Brandon, Oh, God. Well, I already gave five points
• 4:03:47
  of of of the doctrine of Christ. I mean, Jesus is God.
• 4:03:51
  I don't think his role in creation is necessarily
• 4:03:55
  salvifically essential unless Brandon has some sort of
• 4:04:00
  argument for that. You know, Brandon, part of it
• 4:04:02
  too, is that you have a novel and unique personal
• 4:04:06
  interpretation of Scripture as well.
• 4:04:08
  So it's kind of it's kind of hard for you to judge it as a
• 4:04:11
  standard against the entirety of church antiquity.
• 4:04:15
  You know, This is why I was saying like if there was anyone
• 4:04:19
  in the, I mean, at least everyone else in the room, Well,
• 4:04:22
  maybe not Dave so much, but but at least everyone else in the
• 4:04:25
  room, as far as I know, has some sort of like core leaning to
• 4:04:29
  something kind of traditional or, or Orthodox or something.
• 4:04:32
  I mean, at least Reckless and Jill are Calvinist.
• 4:04:34
  They at least got some, you know, tradition to latch onto.
• 4:04:37
  You just got yourself and I don't understand why you're so
• 4:04:41
  special that I should give a fuck what you say about
• 4:04:43
  anything. Really.
• 4:04:44
  Honestly. I mean, you don't even know the
• 4:04:45
  Bible. Really.
• 4:04:47
  I'll be in and out. Did you need someone to go to
• 4:04:48
  the store? I'll check.
• 4:04:49
  I'll check back in here to see if I, if you don't mind.
• 4:04:51
  Dave, I don't know if you could hold, hold down the Fort for
• 4:04:54
  about, I don't know, 5-10 minutes while I get back.
• 4:04:56
  I would actually appreciate that.
• 4:04:58
  Yeah, I'm going to start heading back, but I'm listening.
• 4:05:01
  Good. I'll hold the Fort.
• 4:05:02
  Done. I'll.
• 4:05:04
  I'm in and out a little bit, but I'll come right back in 60
• 4:05:06
  seconds. So I just broke one of my Rakes
• 4:05:09
  and I'm trying to figure out, is this title a joke?
• 4:05:12
  Let let me let me put it like this.
• 4:05:14
  OK, If you go to John 13, John 110, First Corinthians 86,
• 4:05:21
  Ephesians 39, Colossians 116, and Hebrews 1-2.
• 4:05:28
  In every one of these it's very clear that Jesus is the creator.
• 4:05:33
  And then if you notice in all of the Bible versions, is somebody
• 4:05:38
  having difficulty with Jesus creating all things, Well, he's
• 4:05:41
  going to point us out how other translations might say something
• 4:05:44
  different, right? Is that how this is the, that to
• 4:05:48
  me, that God being the creator, Jesus is God is the foundation
• 4:05:53
  of the Christian belief, the foundation of our doctrine.
• 4:05:57
  OK, now show us a translation that that denies that.
• 4:06:00
  Can you show us one example? Well, right there, this is what
• 4:06:03
  I'm trying to point out is that those 5 verses that I've just
• 4:06:08
  pointed out, they are very clear that Jesus is the creator.
• 4:06:11
  And then if you look at the other Bible versions, OK, that's
• 4:06:16
  where it starts making Jesus the middleman with the, you know,
• 4:06:23
  instead of by him. Now it's give us one example.
• 4:06:26
  Give us one example. Yeah.
• 4:06:27
  Where it, it diminishes Jesus's divinity.
• 4:06:29
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 4:06:31
  In John 13, instead of saying all things were created by him,
• 4:06:35
  it says through him. You OK, Now it means that
• 4:06:39
  they're in. Oh, I get it.
• 4:06:41
  OK, I get it. Now he's saying the Father
• 4:06:43
  didn't create anything. That's that.
• 4:06:45
  That's where we're at with it. Only Jesus created something.
• 4:06:48
  So the Father didn't create anything.
• 4:06:49
  Is that what you're saying, Brandon?
• 4:06:52
  You're saying when when you say through, So only the Father
• 4:06:55
  created it and not Jesus? No, no, he's saying Jesus is the
• 4:07:00
  only creator God, God the Father is not a creator of anything.
• 4:07:03
  So Brandon, is that, is that what you're asserting by these
• 4:07:06
  translations? Because he's trying to change it
• 4:07:07
  from by to through. He thinks that that the the by
• 4:07:10
  is more reasonable than the through, even though it's the
• 4:07:13
  Greek word. Yeah.
• 4:07:15
  So he's trying to basically negate the father as part of
• 4:07:18
  creation, essentially. And he thinks this is novel and
• 4:07:20
  interesting and special and something we all need to know.
• 4:07:23
  It really is the King James has through instead of bio.
• 4:07:27
  What exactly are you? No, no, no.
• 4:07:29
  The King James is very clear that it is by him.
• 4:07:35
  All things were created by him and then by him and for him.
• 4:07:39
  Right, he's looking at John 1/3. So what translation says through
• 4:07:51
  the ESV says it. That's Colossians.
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  Colossians 116 is what he's referencing.
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  So, yeah, that's here. Let me give you guys a ref.
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  Let me give you a King James here.
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  Let me give you a Brandon King. I'm 1/3.
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  Or what? What are we looking at here?
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  All right, you pick one. Listen.
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  When I talk once in a while, you're going to listen.
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  You're all going to listen or I'll put you all in the back.
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  I will. And I don't have time for this
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  right now. I'm in the middle of working.
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  OK. I'm listening to.
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  I'm taking time to listen to this because this is important.
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  I've been outside listening when I can.
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  All right, so let's look at in the King James Bible, Romans
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  1136, it says for of him and through him and to him are all
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  things and through him. OK, so that that is the.
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  Isn't that wrong? Then we changed that one.
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  Just a good point, Dave. Very good point.
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  Yeah. No.
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  What'd you got to say about that?
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  Right. What I'm.
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  Yeah, what I'm pointing, I'll be, I'm going to go back behind
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  the curtain here, but I'll be. Thanks for bringing that up,
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  Dave. That's a very good point.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Thank you. So here we have the King James
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  in Romans 11 speaking about the Christ, and it says 4 of him and
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  through him. Ah, wait a minute.
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  This is the King James? Yeah.
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  Brandon, I think you're, you're stretching credulity, but you're
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  trying to text to suggest that. And guess what?
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  And guess what? It's the same Greek word.
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  It's the same Greek word as the word by.
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  Why? Why do you want the King James?
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  100% positive. I'm 100% positive.
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  Were you born with the King James?
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  Why does the King James have the He came out of his mother's
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  womb. So much better than the other
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  translations. They seem to be pretty decent
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  translations. All of them except for, you
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  know, the select few. But once again, we're stuck with
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  the problem. Yeah, we're stuck with the
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  problem of all are valid, then none is authoritative.
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  I didn't say all. I didn't say all.
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  I said there are exceptions, like the Jehovah Witness Bible.
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  Of course we know that there are clear arrows and insertions.
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  The New World Translation figure that out just by comparing copy
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  to copy. So.
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  But all things through made through him or I'm in the middle
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  man. That doesn't.
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  No, that doesn't. No, it doesn't.
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  No, it doesn't. Especially if you read it in the
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  Greek. We're made in your brain.
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  I'm I'm already exhausted because you won't listen.
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  Yeah, all things. Oh, we will wear you out.
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  I'm fresh, but I'm going to. I'm going to go.
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  We're grasping for straws. No, I'm definitely not grasping
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  for straws. You don't see a major doctrinal
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  change. That's on you.
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  No, that's that's not. No, it is not.
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  Oh, it is. It really is, though you still
• 4:10:45
  fail to prove that the textual variances cause a major
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  doctrinal issue. If I said all finances come
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  through me, then they come through me.
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  If yeah, if you're Bible review, I don't get it.
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  I don't see the problem. Down to the middleman creation
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  grasping for straws. OK, Yeah, he is.
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  Yeah. Go ahead.
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  You go ahead and believe that. Yeah.
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  Jill, like I said before, this is the same guy who couldn't
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  even put up an argument against the, the, the the textual
• 4:11:12
  variances and how they don't pose a major threat.
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  There's some differences, yes, between the different
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  manuscripts. Yeah, you.
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  But there's no but the integrity.
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  But the integrity of the message is still there.
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  I like the Berean literal Bible. It says all because you're
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  getting cooked. That's why.
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  No, because you guys are so clueless.
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  You getting you can see how you're being understand shit
• 4:11:43
  about. You got taken out like a
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  jihadist made by Hey Brandon, what do you do with First
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  Corinthians 860? Let's hear it.
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  Don't do it. Don't do it.
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  You think that I'm not loaded with the King James Bible?
• 4:12:05
  I got more King James ammunition than these King James only guys
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  got. They'll never, I'll never run
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  out of ammunition with the whole armor of God.
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  You said First Corinthians. This ain't going to happen.
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  Would you say First Corinthians? What?
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  And he won't read it. He's afraid to read it out of
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  the King James. I'm so afraid to read it.
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  Read it then. Is it out of the King James?
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  Yeah. What do you think about it?
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  You think I'd quote anything else?
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  First Corinthians. Well, this would actually help
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  Brandon, but anyway. But to us there is but one God,
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  the father of whom all things and you didn't read it, did you?
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  Are you skipping the italic sound like Graham cracker does
• 4:12:49
  or what? What are you talking about?
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  What? You just skipped the italic word
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  RARE you want me to play it back to you anything but now read it
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  accurately, please. Oh man, this is fucking.
• 4:13:04
  It's exhausting to talk with you.
• 4:13:06
  It is exhausting to hear King James.
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  Only people not read it correctly and they all bark
• 4:13:09
  about it now read it correctly. But to us there is but one God,
• 4:13:14
  the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him, and 1
• 4:13:20
  Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him.
• 4:13:26
  So does that say bye or does it say through it says bye, but
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  that's. But let me ask you the question
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  here. What's the I'll tell you what
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  the issue is if you give me unless you want to take an hour
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  to talk over the top of me. I mean, we can wait how long you
• 4:13:42
  want to wait because I got I can wait till I can go cut some
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  trees though. OK.
• 4:13:53
  But to us there is but one God. OK, listen to this.
• 4:13:59
  There is one God the Father, right?
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  Is God the Father? He is.
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  So to us there is but one God the Father.
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  Now does he mention the Son here in this account?
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  Whoever the Lord Jesus Christ, Yeah.
• 4:14:21
  But to us there is but one God the Father, of whom are all
• 4:14:25
  things. So The Who created all things
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  that the Father or the Son is Jesus the everlasting Father?
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  I believe so. I do too.
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  I don't need to be called a molt.
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  What is that they call you when you believe that?
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  That Jesus is the everlasting Father?
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  His name and his name shall be called it.
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  Wonderful counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father.
• 4:14:50
  What's wrong with that? He's the everlasting Father, but
• 4:14:54
  as soon as you change made by him to through him, now you have
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  altered the doctrine. That's what I'm trying, not
• 4:15:04
  altering any doctrine. You change that it was made by
• 4:15:09
  him to it was made through him. Now it makes it look as though
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  the Father is the creator and Jesus is just the middleman.
• 4:15:18
  But if they're all God, why does it matter?
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  Smokey, are you back now? You might be if, if they're all
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  God, right, if they're all God, if God created everything, then
• 4:15:32
  all three would would be all-encompassing because they're
• 4:15:35
  all God. So it wouldn't matter, right?
• 4:15:38
  So it'd be very who's the S In Genesis 1, God said, let us make
• 4:15:42
  men in our image. Who's the S So real quick
• 4:15:46
  though, let's just point out that you know, by dude, fuck
• 4:15:50
  Dave, we can't you, you got to chill.
• 4:15:52
  It's a real quick question. Should be elementary to you.
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  I don't know. It's the father of the Son and
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  the Holy Ghost. There you go.
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  So now back to First Corinthians A6.
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  OK, by changing the words to through him instead of made by
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  him, that's how you have now just doctrinally reduced Jesus
• 4:16:18
  down to the middleman of creation.
• 4:16:20
  How that of being the Oh my Lord stating the argument.
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  You're not telling us how if I said everything is through me,
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  I'm not suggesting there's a middleman.
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  Here's the problem. I'm here's the problem.
• 4:16:34
  Brandon, hold on. You talk.
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  You've you've talked. Let me speak Now what you're
• 4:16:39
  doing is you're worrying about what a Unitarian is going to
• 4:16:42
  argue after the fact. Who cares if they argue?
• 4:16:47
  I'm arguing about which Bible should be the finish my point.
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  Can I finish my point? I say it's the Geneva Bible.
• 4:16:54
  I'm GBO now I'm Geneva Bible only.
• 4:16:57
  Who cares if they are and you know why?
• 4:16:59
  Because the the the King James Bible was written by Anglicans
• 4:17:03
  who were from the mother whore Babylon church and they all went
• 4:17:05
  to hell and the other guys that made the Geneva Bible before the
• 4:17:09
  King James were Protestant. I'd like to choose my point, if
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  that's totally you said, you said they were from the mother
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  horror or whatever nonsense. That was the first degree of
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  separation from the Catholic Church.
• 4:17:24
  That's what the Geneva Bible represented.
• 4:17:26
  I've been over all of this. Let's let Jill ask his question
• 4:17:30
  instead of fucking wrecking balls.
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  I got to get. Yeah, I got to learn this stuff.
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  Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Well, I think we're, we're
• 4:17:37
  worried about, and I and I think I know where you're coming from.
• 4:17:40
  We're we're worried about what the Unitarian is going to say
• 4:17:43
  because they're going to read this and read into this verse
• 4:17:47
  that the Father is creating through the son, even though the
• 4:17:51
  text that's foreign or absent from the text itself.
• 4:17:55
  OK. But simply because hold on, hold
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  on, hold on, hold on. Simply because they can do that
• 4:18:02
  doesn't mean that we have to walk on egg shells when it comes
• 4:18:06
  to whether it be through or by. OK, But we still have to remind,
• 4:18:10
  hold on. We still have to remind the
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  Unitarian that they're adding in or they're infusing the father
• 4:18:17
  into the story because he's nowhere in this story.
• 4:18:20
  He's nowhere here in this text, at least.
• 4:18:22
  So the father is not mentioned. OK.
• 4:18:25
  OK. So, yeah, But you can at least
• 4:18:27
  be honest enough to admit that you're by changing that one
• 4:18:32
  little word there. It you it does create doctrinal
• 4:18:35
  differences. No, no, because they already.
• 4:18:39
  You just set the unit down. Hold on.
• 4:18:40
  Hold on. Let me respond.
• 4:18:42
  They already they had doctrinal differences.
• 4:18:46
  What they will do is they will look for instances like this in
• 4:18:50
  the text where they can interpolate or they can add into
• 4:18:56
  the Father look it says through the Son.
• 4:18:59
  Therefore, this must be talking about the Father.
• 4:19:04
  Let me ask you this, though. You see, Brandon, do you add the
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  serpent having knowing Eve in Genesis 4 to make your serpent
• 4:19:10
  seed doctor, you add, do you want to have a serious
• 4:19:14
  discussion on the matter or do you want to just sit here and
• 4:19:17
  keep keep making these childish little fucking outburst remarks
• 4:19:21
  that said they're all just Satan and sexual name and blah, blah,
• 4:19:25
  blah. It's way deeper than that.
• 4:19:26
  You're again, you're you know, you know, I got the ability.
• 4:19:29
  I'm very good at what I do. I'm I could shut this whole
• 4:19:32
  circus off and just go Bible with my wife and the hell with
• 4:19:35
  everybody. I'm not kidding.
• 4:19:36
  Hey, that that sounds. I'll do it right now.
• 4:19:40
  There you go. Do it.
• 4:19:41
  Then. Do it.
• 4:19:42
  All right. Bye, you fucking macho mouth.
• 4:19:45
  Bye. So anyways, yeah, these are
• 4:19:51
  causing doctrinal errors. And this is I'm putting this
• 4:19:53
  monkey back in here so his broadcast stays running.
• 4:19:56
  I'm done. They didn't cause the doctrinal
• 4:19:59
  error. The doctrinal error was already
• 4:20:02
  the case. What they are doing is they're
• 4:20:04
  looking, they're so desperate for it to prove their doctrine
• 4:20:09
  that they will cling to something like this.
• 4:20:12
  So there's no need to worry so many more.
• 4:20:15
  I'm just trying to give 5 little examples of how you have changed
• 4:20:20
  the foundational doctrine of Christ by changing him, by
• 4:20:24
  reducing him to a middleman. Hey, yo, that that's my opinion,
• 4:20:30
  OK? That's what I see.
• 4:20:32
  What is happening is all these little subtle changes are
• 4:20:37
  creating more and more doctrinal differences and now you just
• 4:20:42
  have this big mess of what brand of Christian are you?
• 4:20:47
  It's disgusting that that question even exists.
• 4:20:51
  And it shows that we, the bride of Christ, that's the true
• 4:20:55
  spiritual Israel, We are totally dropping the ball all the way.
• 4:21:02
  This is not of one mind. This is not a body of Christ.
• 4:21:06
  We're not all working for the same corporation here.
• 4:21:10
  You got everybody, you know, everybody's trying to make a
• 4:21:12
  buck on this or on that. So that's what I'm standing
• 4:21:17
  against is this. There has to be an authority
• 4:21:20
  here. You can keep the other Bibles
• 4:21:21
  for study guides and all that stuff.
• 4:21:24
  That's great. But we have to have an authority
• 4:21:26
  on what is the true doctrine of the Church of the body of
• 4:21:31
  Christ, of Israel, spiritual Israel.
• 4:21:36
  And it ain't Calvinism. As soon as you take free will
• 4:21:40
  out of the equation, you got a whole bunch of new doctrinal
• 4:21:44
  problems. That's it.
• 4:21:51
  Here we go again. Why we got to get serious about
• 4:21:53
  that? Well, it's you got to get
• 4:21:55
  serious about it, man, because now you got to and that that
• 4:21:59
  that to me is I heard that the date over.
• 4:22:02
  But you know, something like through and by I mean, come on.
• 4:22:07
  So do you think that the well, let me ask, do you think that
• 4:22:11
  the I did? And there's there's really no
• 4:22:13
  distinction as far as linguistic leak is concerned.
• 4:22:17
  I could say through me by me still not not actually
• 4:22:22
  suggesting there's someone over me.
• 4:22:25
  You have to actually impose that on to the my argument on my
• 4:22:28
  statement. In order for that to be the
• 4:22:30
  case. You have to impose that it's not
• 4:22:32
  something that's derived from the text.
• 4:22:34
  It's not an exegeted idea. It's one that's ice ageated.
• 4:22:39
  So you can still remind the Unitarian of that fact that
• 4:22:42
  you're, you're infusing the Father into the the equation,
• 4:22:47
  even though it doesn't mention the Father and Jesus being the
• 4:22:49
  middleman. Let me ask you this.
• 4:22:52
  Yeah, let me ask you this real quick.
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  Do you think it would be important at all to investigate
• 4:22:58
  who published whatever lexicon you're using and find out what
• 4:23:04
  did those people believe that published this lexicon?
• 4:23:08
  You know, 'cause what's his name, what's the concordance?
• 4:23:13
  That Strong's Concordance wasn't even a believer in Christ.
• 4:23:20
  That's I, I find that off putting.
• 4:23:23
  Strong's wasn't a believer. Yeah.
• 4:23:27
  You're not a believer in James Strong wasn't a believer.
• 4:23:31
  He was a Methodist. No, he wasn't.
• 4:23:34
  I'm Strong was a Methodist. Please, just just research it
• 4:23:37
  yourself, OK? I'm telling you the truth.
• 4:23:41
  And it's because he was a Methodist.
• 4:23:42
  He wasn't a believer. It's because he was a Methodist.
• 4:23:45
  What, you don't like his? No, no, no, no.
• 4:23:47
  So what is So what? What was it about his teaching
• 4:23:50
  that was not Christian or in his writings?
• 4:23:54
  Many. Yeah, in many of his writings.
• 4:23:57
  He he in his personal writings and stuff.
• 4:24:00
  It proves he was not a believer. Please give us an example for
• 4:24:04
  yourself. I would recommend this is I
• 4:24:08
  would recommend I would recommend this isn't leverage.
• 4:24:12
  Look dude, I mean because we don't have fucking.
• 4:24:15
  I don't have any more time to sit here and keep going over
• 4:24:18
  this. But if you're not just be like,
• 4:24:22
  oh go look it up for yourself. Been this has been debated 1000
• 4:24:27
  times. That's why I'm shocked.
• 4:24:29
  I've never heard of this information.
• 4:24:32
  See. Yeah.
• 4:24:33
  Because usually you got everything all figured out, and
• 4:24:36
  you're not studying. Well, you're not.
• 4:24:38
  You're not explaining yourself. So we don't need to actually
• 4:24:40
  take you seriously. Can you give us one example?
• 4:24:43
  We're not telling you to give us all the examples.
• 4:24:45
  Just give us one. What do you mean?
• 4:24:47
  I mean, did he teach? Jesus?
• 4:24:48
  Wasn't God? Thank you.
• 4:24:50
  Give us something I just gave you all of the how they've
• 4:24:55
  changed these 7 verses, the seven verses that claim that
• 4:25:00
  Jesus is clearly God. The argue Jesus, you argue
• 4:25:04
  strong was not a Christian. So what is your evidence for
• 4:25:07
  that? What what doctrine did he argue
• 4:25:11
  did he did? What heresy did he promote?
• 4:25:15
  Will you do me a favor 'cause you know you're you're going to
• 4:25:18
  have to marionism. What is it?
• 4:25:22
  Deism, probably, most likely pantheism is what he pantheism?
• 4:25:28
  Okay, what evidence you have of that?
• 4:25:30
  What pantheism? Okay, there's a let me tell you
• 4:25:33
  the evidence real quick. I'm going to give you the
• 4:25:35
  evidence, Okay. There's a documentary by Chris
• 4:25:38
  Pinto called A Lamp in the Dark. You should totally watch it.
• 4:25:42
  It's the true history of the Bible.
• 4:25:45
  And you should be aware that I could prove to you in total fact
• 4:25:50
  that the all these Bible versions are totally were
• 4:25:53
  hatched by the Jesuit order in the counter Reformation.
• 4:26:01
  They even wrote it down. They put it in writing dude.
• 4:26:05
  So you have no evidence. Strong was an unbeliever.
• 4:26:08
  I know you're, you're just let me help you.
• 4:26:12
  Let me help you be a little bit more honest.
• 4:26:14
  You are. You believe that he is.
• 4:26:18
  You believe that he is an unbeliever because you believe
• 4:26:22
  that that's evident through his definitions and his concordance.
• 4:26:26
  So based on the definitions in his concordance, we concluded
• 4:26:31
  that he is not a believer. Gotcha, gotcha.
• 4:26:35
  Yeah. Now you want to bring up a
• 4:26:37
  document. That's all the documentary is
• 4:26:40
  doing in the documentary. That's all the documentary.
• 4:26:43
  Go to Tom. That's what we call yellow
• 4:26:46
  journalist. Also go to the.
• 4:26:49
  That's something a liberal would do.
• 4:26:51
  That's not something a Christian should be practicing in.
• 4:26:54
  OK, OK, here we go. Doing in investigation.
• 4:26:57
  You shouldn't tell me what a Christian that is.
• 4:27:00
  Honest, Mr. Calvinist. Be honest.
• 4:27:02
  Hey, Jill, tell me. Tell me if James Strong sounds
• 4:27:06
  like a Christian. Ready so he He believed in the
• 4:27:10
  divinity and sinlessness of Jesus, recognizing him as the
• 4:27:13
  incarnated Son of God who grew in wisdom, stature, and favor
• 4:27:16
  with God and man. He also believed Jesus was
• 4:27:19
  tempted yet without sin, and demonstrated perfect obedience
• 4:27:21
  through suffering, ultimately triumphing over all temptations.
• 4:27:26
  Strong. Strong was a believer, it's no
• 4:27:27
  doubt. And there you go, You read it.
• 4:27:31
  You read it there. Folks.
• 4:27:32
  Just believe whatever Jared just read.
• 4:27:35
  You shouldn't investigate the matter in depth at all.
• 4:27:38
  Well, he investigated. Jared investigated.
• 4:27:40
  Read out the fucking Wikipedia. You have a documentary online.
• 4:27:48
  Big deal doc, you documentary. I have a documentary.
• 4:27:53
  Therefore, I'm correct. You fucking look.
• 4:27:56
  My documentary is on Netflix, Central Park 5.
• 4:28:00
  Do your thing. I know what happened.
• 4:28:02
  I know what happened because I saw a documentary.
• 4:28:04
  Best of luck with your fucking doctrinal errors.
• 4:28:07
  Best of luck. There you go.
• 4:28:09
  Because you don't have the doctrine of Christ, buddy.
• 4:28:11
  Hate to break it to you. You don't even have it.
• 4:28:20
  You don't even know what the doctrine of Christ.
• 4:28:22
  Then you start to sound. I gave you the whole point of
• 4:28:25
  it. Yeah.
• 4:28:26
  You don't think that there's. Are you also a Calvinist, Jared?
• 4:28:31
  No, but I do. But I do adhere to the P of
• 4:28:34
  Tulip. OK, Well, then you have
• 4:28:38
  doctrinal errors, buddy, because I adhere to the P of Tulip.
• 4:28:42
  Yeah, because. Oh, the.
• 4:28:44
  Oh, just the P in Tulip. I got you.
• 4:28:46
  Yeah, just just the P, I don't agree with the other points.
• 4:28:53
  Well anyways, all's I'm saying dude is that yes, doctrine is
• 4:28:57
  important. We got to get this shit
• 4:29:00
  straight. Wait, hold on, I have a
• 4:29:01
  question. Why should I have like
• 4:29:03
  professionals? Why?
• 4:29:05
  Why should I put your documentary over what I just re
• 4:29:08
  researched? Why does your documentary have
• 4:29:11
  more authority over what I just researched?
• 4:29:14
  Because a brother in Christ took the time and spent his own money
• 4:29:18
  creating a documentary that goes very in depth on this matter so
• 4:29:23
  that blind ass Christians can get their head out of their ass
• 4:29:26
  and start getting on the right doctrine and understanding who
• 4:29:30
  the enemy is and quit playing games with God.
• 4:29:34
  That's why it's important. But but him spending money and
• 4:29:37
  doing all that stuff doesn't make him more correct.
• 4:29:41
  OK, well, you know, facts and proof should persuade you.
• 4:29:44
  That's all I'm going to say. Facts and evidence should
• 4:29:49
  persuade you. If you have a logical, rational,
• 4:29:52
  sound mind, then let the truth lead the way.
• 4:29:57
  That's all I would recommend all the way to the papacy.
• 4:30:02
  Not not for me. I'm I'm heading in the in the
• 4:30:05
  opposite direction of the fucking papacy because that's
• 4:30:09
  Satan's church buddy. Oh I love Satan's church is so
• 4:30:13
  glad I live in a Jesuit controlled country where
• 4:30:15
  Protestants are just self destructing.
• 4:30:18
  I love just being a Jesuit. I love the conspiracies.
• 4:30:21
  I love the fact I just love the deconstruction of Protestant
• 4:30:25
  America. What a what a what a great time
• 4:30:27
  to live in. I am totally appreciate this
• 4:30:31
  guy's sarcasm. Who is this that we are talking
• 4:30:34
  to, brother, You are talking to fro.
• 4:30:38
  What? You ain't fro?
• 4:30:40
  Yeah, I am. I'm a different fro.
• 4:30:42
  Yeah, we can claim whatever. You are different.
• 4:30:46
  No, I I actually appreciate his sarcasm because he was actually
• 4:30:50
  being totally honest. We are in a totally Jesuit
• 4:30:53
  controlled society right now. And here's the thing.
• 4:30:56
  Here's the thing Brendan, as a Catholic, and I am Catholic, I
• 4:30:59
  hear all those conspiracy theories.
• 4:31:01
  You have no idea how much I wish all of that was true.
• 4:31:04
  OK, unfortunately it's not and so I can't claim it's true
• 4:31:09
  outside of sarcasm. So wait a minute.
• 4:31:13
  So, so you're cool with the Inquisitions and everything for,
• 4:31:17
  you know, we can just call anybody a heretic and kill them.
• 4:31:20
  OK, so I don't know if Smoke is listening or not, but I and I, I
• 4:31:24
  am on the debate with Smokey St. on the ethics of the
• 4:31:28
  Inquisitions. So actually I've, I've actually
• 4:31:31
  have gone, I've gone out on a limb already to support them.
• 4:31:35
  OK, that and I, I know it's on my channel.
• 4:31:37
  I don't know if it's still on the Praise I Am channel, but
• 4:31:40
  that's where the format happened.
• 4:31:45
  Huh. Yeah, I remember fro.
• 4:31:47
  Yeah, We had a good debate. I enjoyed it.
• 4:31:50
  So would Jesus. Yeah.
• 4:31:51
  So are they getting time that anyone's done anything?
• 4:31:54
  The murder for the faith still isn't a good idea, but that's
• 4:31:56
  me. Fair enough.
• 4:32:01
  Yeah, I'm not going to kick Brandon just yet.
• 4:32:03
  I know that like and here's the thing, like Brandon, when he
• 4:32:06
  goes over to I do got to get back to work and well, they get
• 4:32:09
  the fuck out of here when he goes over to his channel and
• 4:32:14
  streams for his when when he goes over to his channel
• 4:32:18
  streams, he'll get like one person to watch and maybe one
• 4:32:21
  person to come in and talk. Usually the one person that's
• 4:32:23
  watching will come in and talk to him or something that have
• 4:32:25
  zero person, you know, watching him.
• 4:32:27
  And so he goes on to some of these larger channels to
• 4:32:31
  basically, you know, spurg out his bullshit, you know, and
• 4:32:34
  Dave's channel, of course. And now of course, you got to
• 4:32:36
  come over on my channel as well. I would like you to know this.
• 4:32:40
  You didn't really spend any time tackling any of my argument that
• 4:32:44
  proves his particular God doesn't exist.
• 4:32:46
  He didn't touch that with a 10 foot pole, but he didn't want to
• 4:32:49
  sit here and bloviate for the better part of what was this 90
• 4:32:52
  minutes ish or something about his dumb, you know, idiotic
• 4:32:56
  self-made technology that's just better than everyone else and
• 4:32:59
  better than everything in the entirety of church antiquity.
• 4:33:02
  And taking a very, very rigid interpretation of some verses as
• 4:33:06
  if to I guess negate the father from the creation event all
• 4:33:09
  together, which is astounding. That is astounding to not only
• 4:33:13
  come to that viewpoint, but then to push it as some sort of
• 4:33:18
  salvific doctrine. And really, honestly, if you
• 4:33:22
  think about it in terms of the Bible's warnings about unjust
• 4:33:25
  judgment and you being judged by the standard you judge by,
• 4:33:29
  Brandon holding the position that you need to adopt his weird
• 4:33:33
  fringe view of Christianity in order to be saved, essentially
• 4:33:40
  condemns the rest of you to hell, even though it makes no
• 4:33:44
  sense and is completely implausible.
• 4:33:47
  And and ridiculous and not based in any real study or knowledge
• 4:33:52
  or history or theology or even basic philosophy.
• 4:33:56
  It's all just a bunch of hot fucking noise.
• 4:33:58
  And then he makes it a salvific matter.
• 4:34:00
  And now the query is when Brandon gets to the pearly
• 4:34:05
  gates, when it gets to Judgment Day and God is looking at him,
• 4:34:09
  is God going to do what he promised and hold Brandon to the
• 4:34:12
  standard by what she is judged since he's judged?
• 4:34:15
  You know, the entirety of church antiquity as unsaved and judged,
• 4:34:19
  you know, all of us unsaved and everyone else unsaved 'cause
• 4:34:22
  they don't adopt his weird crazy fringe, you know, cult, you
• 4:34:25
  know, contract doctrine and the serpent scene and all this
• 4:34:28
  bullshit. You know, we're all fucked.
• 4:34:31
  You know, 'cause we, we need to listen to Prophet Brandon,
• 4:34:34
  Prophet Brandon Irish come and bringing us the true core of
• 4:34:38
  actual salvific doctrine 'cause he's got the interpretation and
• 4:34:42
  he didn't find it anywhere, didn't learn it anywhere.
• 4:34:44
  He just came up with it, and it is powerful enough and
• 4:34:48
  meaningful enough to override the entirety of the teachings of
• 4:34:52
  church antiquity. That is how arrogant and
• 4:34:55
  profusely sick Brandon Irish is in the head and the soul in the
• 4:34:59
  heart. So if God keeps His promise.
• 4:35:01
  And Brandon is indeed wrong about all of this and made all
• 4:35:04
  of this nonsense. It's salvation matter.
• 4:35:06
  You could take pretty high probable chance that if God does
• 4:35:09
  indeed exist, and if hell doesn't indeed exist, well,
• 4:35:12
  Brandon's going to spend the rest of eternity screaming and
• 4:35:15
  burning there, having judged people by his nonsensical,
• 4:35:19
  ridiculous, made-up doctrine and being deviant and condemning to
• 4:35:23
  all those that don't accept his nonsense.
• 4:35:26
  If he thinks everyone goes to hell for not accepting it, they
• 4:35:29
  better be damn right that he's got it 100% down, or else Jesus
• 4:35:33
  might decide to just hold him that standard.
• 4:35:35
  And if he gets it wrong, well, then maybe he has to go to hell.
• 4:35:37
  So, you know, I should take some weight into the decisions.
• 4:35:40
  You suppose that Christians out there, you know, not that any of
• 4:35:43
  you fucking believe your book anyway.
• 4:35:45
  But I mean, assuming you did, then you would want to apply
• 4:35:49
  some of these principles and practices in terms of especially
• 4:35:53
  highlighting someone like Brandon and be able to at least
• 4:35:56
  somewhat figure out what this guy's about in relatively quick
• 4:36:00
  order. And, and thankfully at least I
• 4:36:02
  will vote for this. Brandon is so goddamn ridiculous
• 4:36:06
  that even the idiots aren't conducted.
• 4:36:07
  So at least, you know, I guess in terms of, you know what, yay
• 4:36:11
  for the Kingdom of God that Brandon Hap happens to be one of
• 4:36:14
  those tools of evil that's too fucking retarded to be
• 4:36:17
  persuasive. So anyway, hello everyone.
• 4:36:21
  I'm back here a little bit. Just got back a few minutes ago.
• 4:36:23
  So hey, smoggy. And well, the thing of it is, I
• 4:36:26
  think Brandon Irish will unironically be more sane if he
• 4:36:30
  just I think he used to be Catholic.
• 4:36:32
  I think he's probably more sane as a Catholic than whatever the
• 4:36:35
  hell he is now. Probably, yeah, probably.
• 4:36:38
  Like, I think just there's if there's a conspiracy theory out
• 4:36:41
  there fro Brandon will will pick it up.
• 4:36:45
  Yeah, it's like pretty much everything now, whether you like
• 4:36:48
  the Catholic Church or not, whether you opposed to it, I
• 4:36:50
  think if you love Brandon, you should support his reversion to
• 4:36:54
  it just for his own sanity. Again.
• 4:36:56
  I mean, my goodness, I actually can't even disagree with that.
• 4:37:02
  I don't think exactly, Smokey. I was, I was so confused by by
• 4:37:07
  seeing this dream because I was like, we had such a great
• 4:37:10
  conversation last night. And then I saw the yeah, well, I
• 4:37:14
  didn't exactly wear my feelings on my sleeve last night, Jared,
• 4:37:17
  honestly, But I've been thinking about this the last couple days.
• 4:37:20
  So. Oh, OK.
• 4:37:23
  Yeah. So, so I have a question.
• 4:37:24
  Are you, are you saying like, like I'm, I'm just maybe I'm
• 4:37:31
  just asking for clarification. Are you saying that the God that
• 4:37:34
  they believe in and serve you don't believe in, but you
• 4:37:36
  believe in the God of the of what Scripture describes?
• 4:37:43
  I'm not entirely sure how to answer that specific question
• 4:37:46
  right now, to be honest with you, Jared.
• 4:37:50
  There's there's existential ontological issues that I'm
• 4:37:54
  considering and reassessing and looking into.
• 4:37:58
  There's metas to all of this bullshit that we're all involved
• 4:38:04
  in. That has me wondering about how
• 4:38:07
  keen and trusting we've been to actually dissuade all possible
• 4:38:12
  deceptions or false facts being fed to us for opportunistic
• 4:38:17
  grabs of power by certain entities or principalities or
• 4:38:21
  wherever you want to put it. It's becoming increasingly
• 4:38:26
  difficult for me to see the practical real world
• 4:38:32
  manifestation of things that the Bible seems to claim are
• 4:38:37
  intended and supposed to and are actualized reality.
• 4:38:41
  So it's it's been a challenge to reconcile some of these things
• 4:38:45
  that I've seen and particularly since I came back, but certainly
• 4:38:49
  over the last, you know, five to six years.
• 4:38:51
  And if you guys look down the description, you'll see quite a
• 4:38:53
  list. I mean, this is stuff from, you
• 4:38:56
  know, back in my youth type stuff that all of these people
• 4:39:00
  in my view, have kind of in in their own special, unique kind
• 4:39:03
  of way contributed to me kind of having this moment of genuine
• 4:39:10
  reassessment. Because keep in mind, it's not
• 4:39:11
  like my beliefs have stayed static.
• 4:39:15
  You know, I, you know, started very fundamentalist, you know,
• 4:39:19
  and young earth and non denominational with some
• 4:39:22
  Lutheran, you know, thrown in there exposed to Catholicism and
• 4:39:27
  various other different, you know, doctrines of cults and my
• 4:39:31
  apologetic study at seminary and then, you know, philosophy and
• 4:39:35
  all. I mean, it's not like this is
• 4:39:36
  not something I have not thought about pretty deeply for a very,
• 4:39:41
  very long time. And I'm fully aware that every
• 4:39:44
  single one of us has the power to deceive ourselves with
• 4:39:47
  whatever we tend to be emotionally leaning to want to
• 4:39:51
  believe. And I think I need to examine
• 4:39:54
  myself honestly and with a sense of as much objective sincerity
• 4:39:59
  as I can to make sure I haven't adopted something just because
• 4:40:04
  it was comfortable. And easy.
• 4:40:05
  I've watched all these free gracers do that.
• 4:40:08
  I've watched them ignore blatantly clear arguments and
• 4:40:13
  dig into their nonsense and be convinced with such absolute
• 4:40:17
  undying certainty that there's no way they could be possibly
• 4:40:22
  wrong, even when it's staring them right in the face and
• 4:40:25
  they're having to realize that their doctrine makes no sense.
• 4:40:27
  So what? What God is manifesting around
• 4:40:30
  people who quote, UN quote, just have to believe and have has no
• 4:40:34
  power, no ability to teach, no ability to guide the truth, no
• 4:40:39
  ability to glean some sense of consistency, no ability to bring
• 4:40:43
  the church together. What is this inept, powerless
• 4:40:47
  God that everyone is telling me is is working through the church
• 4:40:52
  and making the world a better place?
• 4:40:54
  Because I don't see that. I see the promise of it.
• 4:40:57
  I see the idea that it should be there, but I don't actually see
• 4:41:02
  it. I don't see in any of these
• 4:41:04
  denominational buildings anywhere.
• 4:41:06
  If any of you could point out where the fucking church is,
• 4:41:11
  like, can you give me directions?
• 4:41:13
  Is it on a map? You know?
• 4:41:15
  Is there somewhere I can go to find where there's a collection
• 4:41:17
  of believers that actually act like a collection of believers?
• 4:41:20
  Is there anyone that can point me in any direction with people
• 4:41:24
  who anymore care about the commands and dictations of
• 4:41:28
  Christ and the idea that you have to follow him in your daily
• 4:41:31
  life? Can anyone point me to one of
• 4:41:33
  these God damn buildings made a brick and stone filled about
• 4:41:37
  with a bunch of wood and hay and stubble and trash fashioned into
• 4:41:42
  different images that I'm supposed to fucking kiss and
• 4:41:45
  worship the bow down to, you know?
• 4:41:49
  I mean where, where is the church?
• 4:41:51
  Is it? Is it with the Roman Catholics
• 4:41:53
  who only emerged after 1050 AD when they perverted 1000 years
• 4:41:57
  of church history in order to institute a fucking Pope to
• 4:42:02
  settle a fucking dispute with political leverage instead of
• 4:42:05
  caring for the actual truth? And why?
• 4:42:07
  All because we got to be hyper hyper fucking specific because
• 4:42:11
  some dirty cunt popped up with another heresy.
• 4:42:14
  We can't just allow certain things to rest in the mystery of
• 4:42:17
  the divine. Now we have to do the one thing
• 4:42:20
  that 1000 years of Church history told us not to do and
• 4:42:23
  over define the Trinity. And you all did it.
• 4:42:26
  Every fucking one of you, both the Catholics and the Orthodox.
• 4:42:29
  You both fell into the same fucking trap.
• 4:42:31
  And where did Church tradition go?
• 4:42:32
  Right down the fucking toilet and right after 749AD you, none
• 4:42:38
  of you, none of you actually held to nor protected nor kept
• 4:42:43
  the Church tradition you claim to respect and hold.
• 4:42:45
  None of you, Not you Catholics, not you Orthodox, not you
• 4:42:49
  Protestants, fucking none of you.
• 4:42:52
  So, so I'll, if I can, I'll address the two points, One
• 4:42:58
  point being a question and then the other one addressing your
• 4:43:02
  question. So my, my question is, is, are
• 4:43:06
  you, are you allowing fallible human beings to determine your
• 4:43:12
  perception on who Jesus is? Well, it's not my issue with the
• 4:43:17
  fallible human beings themselves.
• 4:43:19
  It's the idea that this seemingly powerful,
• 4:43:21
  intrinsically good God has cultivated an environment of
• 4:43:25
  sheer unending injustice and an inability to possess or exert
• 4:43:31
  any type of sovereignty whatsoever over his church to
• 4:43:35
  where it's now a mishmashed bunch of God damn garbage where
• 4:43:39
  even a young believer, what fucking hope does a young
• 4:43:42
  believer have? I imagine to yourselves in this
• 4:43:45
  room someone just decides they watch some fucking, I don't
• 4:43:48
  know, standing for truth video or something, and by some
• 4:43:52
  miracle they're convinced by some stupid ass young earth
• 4:43:55
  argument that they now believe in Jesus.
• 4:43:57
  Where are they going to go? Are they going to stick to the
• 4:44:01
  Standing for Truth channel where they're going to learn hyper
• 4:44:03
  grace and they can never lose their salvation and live any way
• 4:44:06
  they want? Are they going to move on to a
• 4:44:08
  Catholic channel and start feeling that they got to pray
• 4:44:11
  the rosary and the Hail Mary and do their confessions and eat
• 4:44:14
  their cannibal crackers every week or they're going to burn in
• 4:44:16
  hell forever? Are they going to take on the
• 4:44:18
  Eastern Orthodox and their collection of, you know,
• 4:44:21
  interesting doctrines, including the iconography, which I just
• 4:44:25
  absolutely loathe? I think it's nonsense.
• 4:44:27
  You're all you realize, you're all predicating the value of
• 4:44:29
  yourselves. You don't know what the fuck
• 4:44:31
  these things look like. You don't know what the fuck
• 4:44:33
  these people look like. You don't know what the fuck
• 4:44:35
  Michael or Gabriel or Paul or Peter or any of these people
• 4:44:39
  look like. But you make a little fucking
• 4:44:41
  statue. You feel like you kind of got it
• 4:44:43
  close enough, and then you predicate the value to make it
• 4:44:46
  fucking holy. It's such a God damn joke.
• 4:44:49
  It's such a fucking joke. OK, Do you?
• 4:44:53
  So here's the thing. I don't think I'm in a positive.
• 4:44:56
  I don't think you're in a state where anything I say it actually
• 4:45:00
  matters. I think we need to calm down
• 4:45:02
  here. And so I'm not going to be able
• 4:45:03
  to be of any much help to you till much later.
• 4:45:05
  But do you mind if I just ask you some questions?
• 4:45:07
  See, I don't care fro go ahead. OK.
• 4:45:10
  A thing about is what does why does it matter to you that these
• 4:45:15
  images have to be 1 to one? What the actual person?
• 4:45:20
  Because without God predicating the image without God
• 4:45:24
  predicating the image that it has no predicated value other
• 4:45:27
  than what US, the subjective agents have predicated upon it
• 4:45:30
  to claim something holy because predication we fallible beings
• 4:45:35
  that don't even know what the image actually looks like are
• 4:45:38
  somehow predicating holiness upon an image that was not
• 4:45:42
  ordained or dictated by God is comically absurd.
• 4:45:46
  It's ridiculous. I could, you know, I could
• 4:45:48
  fashion, let's say this. Let me ask you this fro let's
• 4:45:52
  say I fashion a kind of close likeness, like not so great
• 4:45:56
  rough and shabby likeness of Christ on the cross, right?
• 4:46:00
  And I do it in, in, in your, I don't know, some sort of nice
• 4:46:03
  elaborate hard oak wood, right? And I craft some sort, it's
• 4:46:06
  rough, it's shabby. It don't really look that great,
• 4:46:08
  right? But you know, it's, it's in this
• 4:46:11
  nice kind of wood and it's got a, you know, maybe I'd paint it
• 4:46:14
  with some veneer or something. There's a little bit of shine to
• 4:46:16
  it, but it's just, it's really rough and kind of ugly.
• 4:46:17
  Doesn't really look much like Jesus.
• 4:46:20
  But you know, you kind of get the general idea that it's a
• 4:46:22
  Godzilla cross, you know, And then and then I go and I take a
• 4:46:27
  big giant pile of human shit and I shape it and form it in the
• 4:46:34
  most pristine artistic, close to possible form like Shroud of
• 4:46:39
  Turin type of fucking look where it is absolutely pristine, dead
• 4:46:44
  on the money as much as you could probably close to.
• 4:46:47
  And it's beautiful, but it's made out of human shit.
• 4:46:51
  Which one earns more veneration? Well, I would say the former
• 4:46:56
  would, because the latter, as much as you want to claim its
• 4:46:59
  beauty, really isn't because what the material you made out
• 4:47:03
  of makes all the difference. The things that are beautiful
• 4:47:07
  draw us to. Is there a place in the Bible
• 4:47:10
  where God gives that idea where what it's made out of, you know,
• 4:47:14
  makes all the difference in terms of a venerated icon?
• 4:47:17
  Because you guys use all types of stuff, you know, wood, glass,
• 4:47:21
  you know, stone, masonry, ceramic, all of it, you know,
• 4:47:25
  really. So is there, are there holy
• 4:47:27
  materials and unholy materials? And how close of a likeness do
• 4:47:30
  you need to get to, you know, for it to be valid?
• 4:47:33
  Since you're just predicating all the value to it yourself
• 4:47:36
  anyway and telling God that it's holy.
• 4:47:38
  So are you really suggesting the human excrement is actually a
• 4:47:41
  valid building material for these kinds of icons?
• 4:47:46
  Well, I don't know fro is there a list somewhere in either
• 4:47:48
  church history or maybe somewhere and and I don't know
• 4:47:52
  the Bible that would tell me what materials I'm allowed to
• 4:47:56
  use to build venerated icons. Yeah, you kind of your own
• 4:48:01
  conscience and your instinct of discussion too the truth.
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  Well, that's subjective and that doesn't tell me shit now.
• 4:48:07
  No, it's not subjective. Maybe I'm from a country, maybe
• 4:48:10
  I'm from a some God knows somewhere country where they eat
• 4:48:13
  shit and maybe building it into some sort of venerated statue is
• 4:48:19
  giving gift for food to Christ for some way, I don't know.
• 4:48:22
  Does that make it invalid? Is it, is it not to be venerated
• 4:48:26
  because it's made out of a, a, a certain kind of dirt that
• 4:48:29
  happened to pass through a human body?
• 4:48:31
  What do you think all that masonry by the way you're
• 4:48:33
  building all your shit out of? You think there's no animal shit
• 4:48:36
  in any of the stones and rocks and everything, But what, what
• 4:48:40
  what what caliber They tell me? What ratio of shit to material
• 4:48:45
  do you think is acceptable in terms of a venerated icon?
• 4:48:48
  What do you think? Well, there probably wouldn't be
• 4:48:51
  any in there because that's not how like geology works.
• 4:48:53
  But again, that's not that's way besides the point.
• 4:48:56
  The fact of the matter is the things like beauty in disgust,
• 4:49:00
  they are not subjective, okay. And the fact that beauty is
• 4:49:04
  actually something universal and we can recognize things that
• 4:49:08
  are, even if other people don't find them beautiful, OK, There
• 4:49:12
  are certain things that we do find disgusting and certain
• 4:49:16
  things we do find beauty in. And so it's not exactly, it's
• 4:49:20
  not exactly universal, but it's far from subjective.
• 4:49:23
  That's the thing you'd I, I don't think there is a culture
• 4:49:27
  where they have made a delicacy of human excrements, OK?
• 4:49:31
  We just know by nature that's that that's that's heinous.
• 4:49:35
  You kind of skipped over the whole point of it.
• 4:49:37
  Pro really is that in all of this, but to be I'm sorry,
• 4:49:40
  smoke, mate, you're kind of going all over the place.
• 4:49:42
  I don't quite know what your point is.
• 4:49:43
  So well, I'm trying to well, I'm trying to stay pretty clear to
• 4:49:47
  it. I in fact, I've restated the
• 4:49:49
  thesis multiple times. I give it to you again, and
• 4:49:51
  everything I've said has been to support this thesis.
• 4:49:54
  Go ahead. The only value to the item is
• 4:49:57
  that which the subjective agent, you, the infallible subjective
• 4:50:01
  agent, has predicated upon it and decided what it should be
• 4:50:03
  made of. It all comes from you.
• 4:50:04
  At the very least, what we could say is that at the very least,
• 4:50:08
  the temple utensils and the ark of the Covenant were dictated by
• 4:50:12
  God. Now, if they're dictated by God,
• 4:50:14
  their value and their image is predicated by God.
• 4:50:17
  God knows what these things are supposed to look like because,
• 4:50:21
  well, he's God. We don't.
• 4:50:23
  We just make a guess and if it's beautiful enough, quote UN quote
• 4:50:29
  beautiful enough of a gas, doesn't matter how accurate it
• 4:50:32
  is or if it's really truly representing an image, the thing
• 4:50:36
  that it's claiming to represent, which in all likelihood isn't,
• 4:50:41
  and you're just betting that, well, it's close enough for me
• 4:50:45
  to decide to predicate the value of the image or the icon upon
• 4:50:50
  it. It's not coming from God, it's
• 4:50:52
  coming from you. So to me, you dictate to God
• 4:50:56
  what is holy by what you create and then predicate holiness to,
• 4:51:00
  and I believe that is a station for God alone.
• 4:51:03
  So let me ask you questions and so make sure I know what you're
• 4:51:06
  saying. Are you suggesting therefore
• 4:51:09
  icons and images of divine beings such as angels or even
• 4:51:13
  God himself are things that have to be sanctioned by God himself?
• 4:51:17
  Is that about your position? If there is something to be used
• 4:51:22
  in some sort of, and I don't care what capacity you want to
• 4:51:25
  claim it is worship of any kind. Yes, I believe that it should be
• 4:51:31
  the type of thing that is sanctioned by God.
• 4:51:35
  I don't think, for instance, let me give you an example.
• 4:51:39
  I don't think the Eastern Orthodox priest standing in the
• 4:51:44
  temple is having his prayers heard more than the pauper on
• 4:51:50
  the street. Just because the priest is
• 4:51:53
  handing, you know, holding the Holy censor or rod or cane or
• 4:51:57
  whatever that thing is, he has to hold his hand the whole time
• 4:51:59
  he's preaching. I don't think God is for some
• 4:52:03
  reason respecting and listening to that man's prayer over the
• 4:52:08
  common popper. Christ spent all of his
• 4:52:11
  attention on the lowly and the meek.
• 4:52:13
  Even the lowly and the meek are of the highest station in
• 4:52:16
  heaven. I don't think this idea of this
• 4:52:20
  hierarchical tier of holiness is anything to go off of.
• 4:52:25
  I found it obtuse and offensive. And now the idea that someone of
• 4:52:29
  a certain position can create a thing with a rough guesstimate
• 4:52:33
  of whether they're even remotely close to what it actually looks
• 4:52:37
  like or not. I mean, look at your images of
• 4:52:39
  angels. Are they floating around with
• 4:52:42
  all the ribbons and the Halos and the and the lights And did
• 4:52:46
  you, did any of you see this? Did you, any of you know that
• 4:52:50
  this is an adequate representation of the being?
• 4:52:52
  Oh, no, you're just saying this is him.
• 4:52:55
  You get to choose what they look like.
• 4:52:58
  You get to decide based upon your own finite, third
• 4:53:03
  dimensional, limited imagination what these higher dimensional
• 4:53:07
  beings look like. Create an icon that you just
• 4:53:10
  assume and demand is appropriate enough representation of them to
• 4:53:17
  make them wholly and venerate them.
• 4:53:19
  It is a comically absurd practice to me Fro comically
• 4:53:24
  absurd thing about it is, and I think I get where you're coming
• 4:53:28
  from, but what a lot of people would just kind of respond to
• 4:53:32
  that is that you're making an objection that, quite Simply
• 4:53:35
  put, really doesn't matter to us because that's not the point.
• 4:53:39
  The point of these icons, the point of these icons is
• 4:53:42
  basically to convey beauty, because ultimately beauty is
• 4:53:47
  what draws people to God. Like I don't want, I don't want
• 4:53:52
  the made-up, fantastical, inaccurate beauty of so-called
• 4:53:58
  men fro telling me that these things that come from the
• 4:54:03
  imaginations of men and the hands of men.
• 4:54:07
  And, you know, do you think there was any significance that
• 4:54:11
  when, when God would tell the Jews to like build an altar or
• 4:54:15
  one of the one of the prophets to build an altar that he said
• 4:54:18
  to use uncut stones, no stone put to human hands.
• 4:54:22
  You, you think you think there was any significance to that?
• 4:54:25
  You think in terms of a revelation of God's character
• 4:54:28
  about images, icon symbols, things like that.
• 4:54:31
  You don't think that said something?
• 4:54:33
  Probably not, because the issue is that you're already
• 4:54:36
  approaching these stories in the Torah as if that's from God.
• 4:54:40
  But here's the point. I can easily just play.
• 4:54:42
  Hold on, hold on. I can easily just play your game
• 4:54:45
  and say the Torah is the invention of the hands of men
• 4:54:48
  and the Ark of the Covenant. God didn't tell you to build
• 4:54:50
  that. Men did that.
• 4:54:51
  The Temple. God didn't want that.
• 4:54:53
  Men did that. And so I can easily just play
• 4:54:55
  your game and accuse every other competing tradition of just
• 4:54:59
  being from the hands of men and dismiss them outright.
• 4:55:02
  I mean, I'm not Christian anymore.
• 4:55:05
  I'm not Christian anymore. So that sounds great.
• 4:55:07
  Let's do that. Sounds good.
• 4:55:09
  And now the issue about that is I don't think that's where
• 4:55:12
  you're at because you're clearly appealing to the Torah for a
• 4:55:16
  particular reason here. Well, I'm doing an internal
• 4:55:18
  critique, you know what I mean? And so any of this shit, I'm
• 4:55:23
  doing internal critique within Christianity, it doesn't, it
• 4:55:25
  doesn't mean I necessarily have to hold that position if I'm
• 4:55:29
  just doing an internal critique. Yeah.
• 4:55:31
  And and this is the thing. This is also ultimately what the
• 4:55:34
  mystery of prayer, not prayer, the mystery of faith.
• 4:55:36
  Is that what we believe might not be true?
• 4:55:41
  That's ultimately a pill that every person of faith has to
• 4:55:44
  swallow. Things that are that things that
• 4:55:46
  you can rationally justify, like I think you can rationally
• 4:55:49
  justify the existence of God. That doesn't mean you're ever
• 4:55:52
  going to have a complete certainty of it.
• 4:55:54
  When we're making our icons, we do this because they're
• 4:55:57
  beautiful beauty draws. You know, you didn't understand
• 4:56:00
  my point, by the way, or you just skipped over it, by the
• 4:56:03
  way. No, I am, I do understand your
• 4:56:06
  point, but my, my resort to that is that so the Bible, you, you
• 4:56:10
  can't say that the Bible was just the product of human hands
• 4:56:13
  'cause that's one of the things like the ark that was dictated
• 4:56:16
  by God, inspired by God. So God, that shit you guys build
• 4:56:21
  has no such critical history or, or alignment to it.
• 4:56:25
  You can claim it. Oh yeah, God came to me in a
• 4:56:27
  vision and said I should make that, you know.
• 4:56:29
  Alright, so how do you know the Bible's dictated by God?
• 4:56:33
  How do you know the Ark of the Covenant was dictated by God?
• 4:56:36
  Well, I, again, I'm in the internal critique mode.
• 4:56:38
  So, so I'm, I'm operating with the idea that there is an
• 4:56:41
  acceptance that the Bible is at least somewhat true, if not
• 4:56:44
  allegorical and metaphorical only at least somewhat true.
• 4:56:47
  So I'm at least conceding that point for the sake of the
• 4:56:50
  internal critique of the argument.
• 4:56:51
  So, so if that's true and there's inspiration to both the
• 4:56:55
  Ark of the Covenant, the temple utensils, as well as the Bible
• 4:56:58
  itself, that stands in stark contrast to the guy who just
• 4:57:02
  decides to carve some wooden cross and now it becomes a
• 4:57:05
  venerated relic. You know, now the issue you kind
• 4:57:09
  of run into now is what you are saying is that there are icons
• 4:57:13
  and there are idols that God had commanded to be made.
• 4:57:17
  OK, this is where this is where what we say again, I'm not
• 4:57:21
  saying that I'm not saying that I the the utensils and I'm not
• 4:57:25
  saying that the utensils and the and the temple were any way like
• 4:57:30
  directly intended for some kind of like direct worship.
• 4:57:34
  I'm, I'm accepting the fact that I, I know your your argument,
• 4:57:38
  you're apologetic of the idea that these are conduits, you
• 4:57:41
  know, for the worship to God. I get it.
• 4:57:44
  But these are conduits to the worship of God, not conduits to
• 4:57:47
  Saints and dead people. It's a little bit of a different
• 4:57:50
  universe there, number one. Number two, the things that were
• 4:57:53
  in the temple that were using any type of worship were
• 4:57:56
  directly ordained, directly described by God to be built,
• 4:58:01
  which means the value of them is predicated by God himself.
• 4:58:06
  The image of what they are that gives them the value is
• 4:58:09
  predicated by God himself. The rest of this shit, you guys
• 4:58:13
  just make up and call it holy. OK, the fact is that's most of
• 4:58:17
  Christianity. In fact, here's the thing I
• 4:58:19
  could just argue that is most of what it is to be human thing
• 4:58:22
  about it is where do we actually find the idea that this Bible as
• 4:58:27
  a relic that we basically read that we know comes from the word
• 4:58:30
  of God. That's not really something that
• 4:58:31
  was dictated. That's something that was often
• 4:58:33
  decided centuries after the fact that centuries after the temples
• 4:58:38
  destroyed. OK.
• 4:58:40
  The thing of it is that all these things, these icons that
• 4:58:43
  we create, the overall, the overriding assumption here is
• 4:58:47
  that we need divine approval for every single image, for every
• 4:58:52
  single representation. That's just, well, yeah, you get
• 4:58:54
  just you just get to claim that you have that too, and you just
• 4:58:57
  say it and you have. OK, where do you find any
• 4:58:59
  statement where it says that this is how Gabriel looks, this
• 4:59:03
  is how Michael looks, this is how these things look, and there
• 4:59:06
  isn't allowed to be any other necessarily entailed by their
• 4:59:10
  creation. It is literally not.
• 4:59:12
  It's literally not philosophical.
• 4:59:14
  Here's the thing. No, no.
• 4:59:15
  Here's the thing dude, I suggest you actually just Google what
• 4:59:18
  Catholic churches look like in Nigeria.
• 4:59:20
  OK? From how close of a likeness?
• 4:59:23
  How close of a likeness to the Angel Gabriel do I get in order
• 4:59:27
  for it to be valid? The answer is yes.
• 4:59:30
  No, but the answer is yes, I know what you said.
• 4:59:36
  And the answer is yes, it needs to look like Gabriel and needs
• 4:59:40
  to be representative of Gabriel for I'm him for for you too.
• 4:59:45
  So I'm going to go out front. I'm going to go out front,
• 4:59:48
  right? I got AI got a shit load of
• 4:59:50
  decomposed granite in the front yard, right?
• 4:59:53
  I'm going to go pick up just a random chunk, right?
• 4:59:56
  And I'm going to I'm going to look at it.
• 4:59:58
  I'm going to say, you know what? This looks this big chunk of
• 5:00:01
  rock sitting in my head. You know what?
• 5:00:03
  That looks enough like, Paul, I'm going to go ahead and put on
• 5:00:07
  my mantle and I'm going to pray to it once a day and ask the
• 5:00:11
  apostle Paul through this random chunk of fucking rock.
• 5:00:14
  I found out there that I think, I don't know, I don't know what
• 5:00:16
  the guy looked like, but you know, probably something like
• 5:00:18
  this. I don't know.
• 5:00:20
  I mean, rock looks a little Jewish.
• 5:00:21
  So, you know, let's just go with it, right?
• 5:00:23
  You know, I put it up on the mantle and I pray to it every
• 5:00:26
  day. Believing I'm praying to Paul am
• 5:00:29
  I am I reaching Paul through this fucking random rock I
• 5:00:31
  picked up? Honestly, yes, because you're
• 5:00:35
  describing something that was an actual lived reality in ancient
• 5:00:39
  evil. No, no, listen, this is what we
• 5:00:42
  should all believe. OK, so you can so Smokey your
• 5:00:45
  your in your argument from incredulity isn't an argument.
• 5:00:47
  No, I think I know it's just what's going on.
• 5:00:50
  The idea of the stone being, honestly, the idea of the stone
• 5:00:54
  being presencing of someone is actually a lived reality in the
• 5:00:58
  ancient world. So something that we actually
• 5:01:00
  have is we have. Let me ask you something.
• 5:01:03
  What if I pick up the rock is Peter?
• 5:01:06
  Hold on, whatever done. You're right, the rock is Peter.
• 5:01:11
  Yeah, it's supposed to look like Peter.
• 5:01:12
  Okay, so let's say I pick up the rock, right?
• 5:01:16
  And I start praying to it and I, I believe in my mind like it
• 5:01:21
  kind of looks like Peter, even though I don't know what Peter
• 5:01:23
  looks like. And it turns out it actually
• 5:01:26
  looks more like Satan. Am I praying to Peter or Satan
• 5:01:30
  Peter? OK, so so I predicate where it
• 5:01:36
  goes. Why do I need the object?
• 5:01:40
  If I if I predicate, if I'm predicating, if the object and
• 5:01:45
  what it looks like really doesn't fucking matter, then why
• 5:01:48
  do I need the object? I could, I could pray to this
• 5:01:52
  fucking desk lamp next to me here.
• 5:01:54
  You know what, here, you know what?
• 5:01:56
  Here fro here. Or get on camera.
• 5:01:58
  See. See my microphone.
• 5:02:01
  I see it. What maybe, maybe looks a little
• 5:02:03
  bit like a Jew. Could I say Abraham?
• 5:02:05
  Could I say what, what? What did King David maybe.
• 5:02:08
  Can I pray to my microphone? Have I been praying if I just
• 5:02:11
  say my microphone is the image of Paul for the last six years?
• 5:02:18
  No, I haven't had this microphone that long.
• 5:02:20
  For the last three months that I've been talking in this
• 5:02:23
  microphone, I've actually been saying prayers to Paul.
• 5:02:27
  I think it looks enough like him, right?
• 5:02:29
  I mean, maybe maybe you know, a very square headed Jewish man.
• 5:02:32
  I don't know if he was square headed black Jewish man matter.
• 5:02:35
  Apparently it just, I just need to think it's enough.
• 5:02:39
  I just need to predicate the value myself upon it.
• 5:02:42
  So I got a question, Smokey, and it doesn't matter what it looks
• 5:02:45
  like. You know what?
• 5:02:46
  But thank you for saying that for you know what I'm going to
• 5:02:48
  do. You know what I'm going to do?
• 5:02:49
  I'm going to let you know I'm going to go right down the
• 5:02:52
  street here. I happen to know there's a very
• 5:02:53
  nice Satanist temple, OK? And I'm going to go get the
• 5:02:57
  fucking pentagram, OK, And I'm going to do like dashed it.
• 5:03:01
  OK, I'm going to get the pentagram.
• 5:03:03
  I'm going to get the crucifix and I'm going to post it right
• 5:03:05
  up on the fucking wall because I can predicate.
• 5:03:09
  I can say, well, you know what? I'm praying through this to the
• 5:03:14
  Mother Mary for her to be the Co Redemptrix and to pray for me to
• 5:03:20
  the father. And this looks like good enough
• 5:03:23
  of an image for me to channel to speak to the Mother of God by
• 5:03:31
  putting the cross and the cruiser.
• 5:03:32
  I mean, if it doesn't matter what it looks like, and it could
• 5:03:35
  just be a random fucking stone, even if it looks more like Satan
• 5:03:38
  than it does Peter or Paul, it doesn't matter.
• 5:03:41
  So I can just have anything. You know, Smokey, you seem to be
• 5:03:45
  making a really good argument that actually beauty and art
• 5:03:48
  matters and iconography veneration.
• 5:03:54
  You see how this looks even to even to just regular, you know,
• 5:04:01
  I, I got my, I got my feeling, you know, you guys can just
• 5:04:04
  think, I don't know what the fuck any of you are going to
• 5:04:06
  think about this after that. And I really don't give a shit.
• 5:04:08
  But let me be very, very clear, OK, this isn't a good look for
• 5:04:14
  literally anyone and certainly not the church and certainly not
• 5:04:17
  for Christ. All this nonsense bullshit
• 5:04:20
  really is part of the thing that has just been piling the straws
• 5:04:25
  on my back for a good number of years.
• 5:04:27
  None of you are appreciative. So like any of the workers,
• 5:04:32
  excuse me for I'm, I'm on something else for just, I
• 5:04:35
  apologize. Go ahead.
• 5:04:36
  Absolutely let you respond. I swear to God, I will let you
• 5:04:39
  respond. I will let you say as much as
• 5:04:40
  you want. I promise I won't even interrupt
• 5:04:42
  you. I will give you the whole floor.
• 5:04:43
  Just let me go ahead. Just let me get this out.
• 5:04:54
  Pro, I don't dislike you. I hope you know that I'm not
• 5:04:57
  Maddie. I hope.
• 5:04:59
  I hope you. I may be a little.
• 5:05:00
  I'm. I'm at an emotional peak on some
• 5:05:03
  of this shit. I think you can understand.
• 5:05:05
  I don't hate you. We've had good terms in the
• 5:05:08
  past. Please no hard feelings.
• 5:05:10
  I'm not trying to yell at you. Good to see you, buddy.
• 5:05:13
  Excellent. You too.
• 5:05:18
  My my struggle right now in some intrinsic ways, truthfully is
• 5:05:23
  the mess that is Christianity and what I tend to see, which is
• 5:05:28
  a significant lack of the presence of the so-called
• 5:05:33
  precious Holy Spirit that is supposed to be guiding us into
• 5:05:36
  all truth. Here I look at over and over and
• 5:05:38
  I have all these people that are claiming to believe Christ, to
• 5:05:40
  believe on the name of Christ, to believe all these different
• 5:05:42
  various things, to claim to believe the gospel, to claim to
• 5:05:46
  believe what Christ did, all of this.
• 5:05:49
  And yet none of them can get on the same page in any type of
• 5:05:54
  way, while all of them are supposed to at some way have the
• 5:05:57
  Holy Spirit. And then none of you can tell me
• 5:06:01
  consistently or reasonably what each one is missing, or even in
• 5:06:04
  any type of way that actually makes sense.
• 5:06:07
  And I have nothing but constant environments of screaming
• 5:06:12
  immature toddlers trying to verify and validate their own
• 5:06:16
  flavor of bullshit. And there is a point where it
• 5:06:18
  will wear at you and each one of you, well, not each one of you.
• 5:06:22
  There are, there are numbers of you that have participated in
• 5:06:25
  this with me to where I am. I am burned the fuck out of
• 5:06:29
  Christianity, really at this point, period.
• 5:06:32
  All of it, all variants of it all.
• 5:06:35
  I'm burned out. OK you know I've tried.
• 5:06:41
  Even when I do practice virtue and show forgiveness and
• 5:06:45
  kindness and mercy, do I even get any credit from my so-called
• 5:06:50
  Christian brothers in the Lord? No, you get it from me.
• 5:06:53
  No, I'm still just an evil hateful cock sucker.
• 5:06:56
  Even when I do show virtue and integrity and try to actually
• 5:07:00
  lead and take patience with people and make peace and accept
• 5:07:03
  apologies and all of this other stuff, and I don't even get
• 5:07:06
  credit for it. Then by these so-called spirit
• 5:07:08
  filled believers who want to fight me, claim to be serving
• 5:07:12
  Christ, standing up for good, and the only thing they want to
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  do is silence and destroy. They want to keep me quiet.
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  They want to keep me from debating.
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  They want to keep my channel from going.
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  They want to report me. They want to flag me.
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  They want to keep me away from anyone that I could possibly
• 5:07:27
  convince or persuade. And these are people claim to be
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  led by Christ, where there's clear instruction in the Bible
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  that I should be allowed to serve my master as I see fit.
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  And you are fellow servants. It's not your place to tell a
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  fellow servant what to do when they have a command from their
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  master. It's not your place, and I don't
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  care if you respect it or not It's it.
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  It really isn't up to you. Even in the Bible's context,
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  it's not up to you. I'm sorry fro, I need to say
• 5:07:54
  that real quick. I promise you, take as long as
• 5:07:57
  you want. I'm going to go grab another
• 5:07:59
  beverage. I'll be right back.
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  I am listening. And that's the thing.
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  That's why I'm not making too many arguments against you or
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  for you because we, I've been in that emotional state too.
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  So put my all chips on the table where you're at.
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  Smoke is actually where I was before I became before I became
• 5:08:14
  Catholic because that is just the lived reality of a lot of
• 5:08:19
  Christianity, especially after the 19th century.
• 5:08:22
  We have so many different people that all claim to be leaving the
• 5:08:26
  Holy Spirit. But when you're looking at them
• 5:08:29
  critically, the Holy Spirit is rather schizophrenic.
• 5:08:33
  And so in the lived reality, it's very, it's virtually
• 5:08:36
  impossible to tell whether or not these people are speaking to
• 5:08:39
  God or they're speaking to themselves.
• 5:08:41
  And quite often it's the latter. And so I think the advice I can
• 5:08:45
  give you or should give you that what you're looking for right
• 5:08:47
  now is stability. And what I think you that you
• 5:08:50
  need to do is definitely take a rest.
• 5:08:54
  If you burned yourself out, take all the time you need, take some
• 5:08:57
  space, take, get, get some distance from this.
• 5:09:01
  But this is also the thing too, why I think it's just why I
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  think the corporate view of the Holy Spirit is just much more of
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  a blessing that the Holy Spirit doesn't just talk to us
• 5:09:13
  personally as much as he can. He's normally just talking to us
• 5:09:17
  as a people, not as an individual, 'cause when he, when
• 5:09:21
  we start thinking like that, we get hundreds, hundreds and
• 5:09:25
  hundreds of different peoples all thinking in contradictory
• 5:09:29
  ways. And so the Holy Spirit works
• 5:09:32
  within a people He calls to himself that is united.
• 5:09:36
  Now, obviously as a Catholic, I have an answer for what that is.
• 5:09:39
  What your answer might be would be different and I will respect
• 5:09:42
  that. The thing of it is, and what we
• 5:09:45
  clearly see is that the people that we often have that we do
• 5:09:51
  good work, good things for when we do good things for God, when
• 5:09:55
  we live according to His law, The lawless ones are the people
• 5:09:59
  that are going to shit all over that.
• 5:10:02
  That's, and again, this is something that even the Bible
• 5:10:05
  itself promises. And Jesus, who was the best of
• 5:10:08
  all of us, ended up being crucified by the people that
• 5:10:12
  were not even the worst of us, but just by his own people and
• 5:10:17
  his own disciples abandoned him. This is ultimately what it is to
• 5:10:22
  be a Christian, to accept that you will do good things and the
• 5:10:27
  world will punish you for it. OK, and So what you need, and
• 5:10:31
  that's ultimately something that a Christian has to make peace
• 5:10:34
  with, that we can do good things and we can do all the good in
• 5:10:38
  the world, and the world will hate you for it.
• 5:10:41
  And you have to understand, have to remind yourself that your
• 5:10:45
  Father God and that hit and that his Son Jesus sees what you do.
• 5:10:51
  And while it isn't apparent now, you will be rewarded for it in
• 5:10:55
  this life and in the next. And it is the trust of God.
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  And it is the trust of God's deliverance of you that is the
• 5:11:03
  most difficult part oftentimes, because it's the part where you
• 5:11:07
  lack the the most amount of agency.
• 5:11:10
  And so my advice to you is take a break, but trust within the
• 5:11:14
  love of God and trust that where you go and where you float,
• 5:11:18
  where you end up is where he wants you to be.
• 5:11:21
  And that's that's I'm afraid that's all I can say.
• 5:11:24
  Unless Jill wants to add something more here.
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  No fro. I would.
• 5:11:30
  Yeah, I would agree with that. I thought I thought this was I'm
• 5:11:37
  sorry. I was in and out all day for the
• 5:11:41
  past four hours. I don't know how long I'm going,
• 5:11:43
  but I thought the title was just some sort of knock on free Grace
• 5:11:53
  or so this is this is real or is this?
• 5:11:59
  Oh, no, it's, it's, it's, it's very real.
• 5:12:02
  Smokey is Smoke's in a vulnerable place right now and
• 5:12:05
  he needs our mercy rather than our debate and condemnation.
• 5:12:10
  And he was definitely not getting mercy from Brandon Irish
• 5:12:14
  and and a lot of the other people.
• 5:12:16
  And the fact is, and kind of what I said, I know I can
• 5:12:19
  sympathize with Smokey because I've been where he's at.
• 5:12:22
  And when I came out at the end of it, I became Catholic.
• 5:12:27
  So you left Christianity to become to become Catholic.
• 5:12:30
  In my perspective, I really haven't left Christianity.
• 5:12:32
  But the thing of it is the whole, the whole issue is, and I
• 5:12:37
  think what I think Smoke's discovering here, I don't expect
• 5:12:40
  Smoke to be Smokey to become Catholic, especially if he has
• 5:12:42
  no interest in it. But what he definitely needs is
• 5:12:46
  a community with stability. And I think the the idea of non
• 5:12:51
  denominationalism and the idea of there being no really hard
• 5:12:56
  truths or beliefs. We just got all guided by the
• 5:12:58
  Holy Spirit. That's a problem.
• 5:13:01
  That's chaos because everybody believes they're all guided by
• 5:13:04
  the Holy Spirit and they, and the Holy Spirit must be
• 5:13:07
  schizophrenic, including the Catholic Church, right?
• 5:13:10
  Well, exactly. But the issue is, is that the,
• 5:13:12
  the Catholic Church actually has a method and it has a ability to
• 5:13:18
  know what comes from the Holy Spirit because the, the Holy
• 5:13:21
  Spirit talks to us as a whole community, not just a person.
• 5:13:26
  And the fact is that what the community of six say or the
• 5:13:29
  community of 20 or the community of 10,000 say, it would be the
• 5:13:34
  IT would be the IT would be the community of stewards, right?
• 5:13:38
  So isn't that for a particular church denomination?
• 5:13:41
  Aren't they all saying that we are all hearing from the Lord?
• 5:13:45
  I know, correct. So what's the difference is that
• 5:13:48
  it's that it's stable. OK, You don't have so is theirs.
• 5:13:52
  People saying thousands of different things.
• 5:13:54
  So is theirs. There's a stable among
• 5:13:57
  themselves, just like yours is stable among yourselves, yours
• 5:14:00
  is not stable amongst my congregation and ours, ours
• 5:14:04
  teachings are not stable amongst yours.
• 5:14:06
  So what's the distinction? So the distinction here.
• 5:14:10
  And again, it's going to depend on where your values lie.
• 5:14:13
  If you kind of value antiquity and you value what kind of
• 5:14:18
  ancient Christianity did believe, I think if you look at
• 5:14:22
  that just even unbiasedly, you're going to come to at least
• 5:14:26
  something like Orthodox or Catholicism or at least
• 5:14:28
  something in and around that ballpark range.
• 5:14:31
  But now if you I know, well, that's the thing.
• 5:14:34
  I don't think, well, Jill, I'll be honest with you, I don't
• 5:14:37
  think you care what the early Church says.
• 5:14:39
  You yourself have said no, I'm talking about the Bible.
• 5:14:41
  I'm OK with you. Well, I know, I know.
• 5:14:43
  That's that's my point. OK.
• 5:14:44
  The fact is, and this is where was it because the early church
• 5:14:48
  disagreed with each other on major doctrines?
• 5:14:51
  No, not really. Yes, really.
• 5:14:52
  They had more than you'd think. Hopes disagreed on major
• 5:14:56
  doctrines. True or false?
• 5:14:58
  Popes have disagreed on major doctrines.
• 5:15:01
  I'd say in the false at least I don't false majorly.
• 5:15:04
  What major doctrines are you talking about?
• 5:15:07
  My God? Okay, I'll have What major
• 5:15:09
  doctrines are you talking about? I'm interested.
• 5:15:11
  Okay, I'll have to get the specifics, but sure there are
• 5:15:14
  several popes that disagreed with each other.
• 5:15:17
  Now you may not consider it major doctrine after hearing
• 5:15:20
  what the doctrine that they disagreed on, but they do
• 5:15:24
  disagree. I mean it's a it's a human
• 5:15:26
  reality. We're not going to agree on
• 5:15:27
  everything. There's nothing wrong with that.
• 5:15:30
  That doesn't mean that your church is true because your
• 5:15:34
  church agrees on more things. I know then the other church,
• 5:15:39
  the other church might agree, the congressman agree on 20 out
• 5:15:42
  of the 30 things that are taught some.
• 5:15:45
  And so this is a, this is a collection of things that we,
• 5:15:47
  that there was absolute universal agreement because in
• 5:15:50
  some things such as who's the rock and such as who is the rock
• 5:15:54
  in Matthew 16, there are actually conflicting some
• 5:15:58
  beliefs of what that was. Some say it was Peter, some say
• 5:16:01
  it was Peter's confession, some say it was Christ.
• 5:16:03
  You do have that today. However, the majority of
• 5:16:07
  scholars will say it's obviously Peter.
• 5:16:10
  That's for neither here nor there.
• 5:16:11
  The one of the doctrines you have that is universal, a
• 5:16:15
  testament, is the idea of baptismal regeneration and the
• 5:16:19
  true presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
• 5:16:21
  Like overwhelmingly, there's not a single voice that actually
• 5:16:25
  dissuades from that. And in fact, other Christian
• 5:16:28
  heresies such as the Gnostics came to basically deny that
• 5:16:32
  Christ has a physical body. Or rather, they denied Christ
• 5:16:35
  was in the Eucharist because they denied he had a physical
• 5:16:38
  body. And so there's already an
• 5:16:41
  assumption very early on in ancient times that the Eucharist
• 5:16:46
  in a very real way actually was Jesus.
• 5:16:50
  And when you actually look at Protestant denominations today,
• 5:16:55
  OK, a lot of them reject that doctrine.
• 5:16:57
  And that's because they just don't care what was believed
• 5:17:00
  anciently, as long as they have their own interpretation of the
• 5:17:03
  Bible, that's enough for them. But they're different ancient
• 5:17:07
  beliefs. So which ancient belief do we
• 5:17:09
  say is the truth? If there are different, for
• 5:17:13
  example, it's a rigged game, The Catholic doctrine of papal
• 5:17:18
  infallibility, it's a rigged game.
• 5:17:21
  You're telling us, you're telling us.
• 5:17:24
  Let me explain why you're telling us that this There are
• 5:17:30
  doctrines that are formal that are considered infallible and
• 5:17:36
  there is no disagreement on those doctrines, but you get to
• 5:17:40
  decide which ones are considered infallible and therefore cannot
• 5:17:45
  be have any disagreement on. So if you disagree in another
• 5:17:48
  area, then that's not considered infallible.
• 5:17:52
  So it doesn't matter if you disagreed on that area.
• 5:17:55
  So it's a rig game. That's not how it works.
• 5:17:57
  So you could say, hey, we don't we we all agree on the same
• 5:18:01
  doctrines. No, you don't.
• 5:18:02
  You just all agree on the same doctrines that you consider to
• 5:18:06
  be infallible. Infallibility works.
• 5:18:09
  You all agree on the same doctrines that you consider to
• 5:18:13
  be infallible, right? Mm.
• 5:18:15
  Hmm. OK, So what doctrines do you not
• 5:18:18
  consider to be infallible? Well, the thing about it is,
• 5:18:23
  what do you mean? I want to say when it comes to
• 5:18:25
  doctrines that are not considered infallible.
• 5:18:28
  OK, so the doctrines that we don't consider, well, here's the
• 5:18:31
  thing. When it comes to doctrine of the
• 5:18:33
  it's, I believe pro if I can, maybe this helps whichever ones
• 5:18:38
  stick around, Jill. Well, the and so the thing of it
• 5:18:46
  is every doctrine basically is infallible on some degree.
• 5:18:50
  So case in point, how what's the one?
• 5:18:54
  Yeah, I think this is a good one.
• 5:18:56
  So right now when we're looking at the teaching of say Mary as a
• 5:19:01
  as a what I want to say a Co mediatrix, what when when we say
• 5:19:07
  that what we what we are not actually making that as a dogma.
• 5:19:11
  It's as in the way in which is Co mediatrix isn't exactly
• 5:19:14
  described, but it's like a pastoral teaching.
• 5:19:17
  Another thing that we can probably say is the supremacy of
• 5:19:21
  the Pope. There wasn't a time in which you
• 5:19:23
  actually had that formally dogmatized for a while, but we
• 5:19:26
  know it was basically kind of a live reality, at least since
• 5:19:29
  Irenius's day. He bears witness to that.
• 5:19:32
  And so it was a so a lot of these are pastoral teachings
• 5:19:35
  that demand your obedience, and a lot of these are dogmatic
• 5:19:39
  teachings that are essentially formal dogma.
• 5:19:42
  There's no on the essentially the debate has ended on those
• 5:19:45
  things. And so every teaching becomes
• 5:19:49
  infallible to a degree if it's the really the degree of
• 5:19:53
  infallibility that is often up for debate.
• 5:19:58
  OK, By the way, my wife loves your addiction and cadence.
• 5:20:01
  She complimented it the other day.
• 5:20:03
  Which who of us you fro you. She she she likes the way you
• 5:20:08
  talk, apparently. So just yeah.
• 5:20:12
  And I I don't want to interrupt with Jill where Jill was going.
• 5:20:17
  It escaped me. Anyway.
• 5:20:18
  Go ahead, Joe. I'm so sorry.
• 5:20:19
  Perceived. Go ahead, guys.
• 5:20:21
  Oh, no. I was just commenting on the
• 5:20:23
  idea that you know, to seem to be mocking that we are led by
• 5:20:29
  the Holy Spirit as if you know, Pope John wasn't led by the
• 5:20:35
  Spirit when he was we see revelation about people not
• 5:20:40
  seeing God immediately after that and and this is what I was
• 5:20:42
  trying to see. Now he doesn't believe that
• 5:20:44
  anymore. So did the Holy Spirit change
• 5:20:46
  its mind? Did it did it change Pope John's
• 5:20:49
  mind? Was he wrong?
• 5:20:50
  Was that not the Holy Spirit the first John changes what hold on
• 5:20:53
  hold on. What did Pope John change his
• 5:20:54
  opinion on you got to well, I just explained that, but you
• 5:20:57
  were you were sort of talking over.
• 5:20:59
  He once believed that the soul of the Christian of at least
• 5:21:05
  does not see God immediately. Maybe their soul sleep.
• 5:21:09
  Maybe I don't know what happens in between, but now, but then he
• 5:21:13
  later he changes his doctrine, he recants and now he says yes,
• 5:21:18
  the believer. Perhaps he's quoting Paul or
• 5:21:23
  citing Paul where he says to be absent from the bodies and
• 5:21:25
  present with the Lord. I'm not sure, but at one point
• 5:21:27
  he believed the Holy Spirit told him this and then at another
• 5:21:30
  point he we can't. So which Holy Spirit is correct
• 5:21:36
  or are they the OK, so you're talking about Christian
• 5:21:40
  mortalism, right? Or specifically the Pope is Pope
• 5:21:43
  John the 23rd. Is that the one you're talking
• 5:21:46
  about? I have no idea which one it is,
• 5:21:48
  but the point is, is that you mentioned a weakness of the
• 5:21:54
  Protestant church. Well, is that they are led by
• 5:21:58
  the Holy Spirit and sort of in a mocking fashion that we really
• 5:22:05
  don't have any method in which, Oh, I never told, I never said
• 5:22:08
  that about you Shell. I never said that about.
• 5:22:10
  I'm not saying I'm not saying me personally, but you did mention,
• 5:22:14
  OK, led by the Holy Spirit instead of only being led by the
• 5:22:17
  Holy Spirit, quote UN quote. So what was going on with the
• 5:22:25
  with Pope John's vision here when it comes to Christians
• 5:22:30
  after they die? Was this the Holy Spirit the
• 5:22:32
  first time or was it the Holy Spirit the second time?
• 5:22:36
  I would probably say the Holy Spirit the second time, but I
• 5:22:40
  don't even know the instance which you're talking about, so
• 5:22:42
  I'm kind of forced to speak from ignorance here.
• 5:22:46
  The thing thing of it is though, like that can even easily just
• 5:22:49
  be some kind of gaffe or confusing.
• 5:22:52
  Again, the Pope saying things like here's the Pope being
• 5:22:56
  infallible does not make him inerrant.
• 5:22:58
  He can make mistakes, OK. And I'd say the fact that it
• 5:23:04
  kind of caused a beatific controversy, because I think
• 5:23:08
  what you're referring to is the controversy of Pope John the
• 5:23:11
  23rd. But you're going to have to
• 5:23:12
  make, you're going to have to remind me about that and kind of
• 5:23:15
  confirm with me the fact that he said that actually caused a
• 5:23:18
  controversy because it already contradicted with infallible
• 5:23:23
  doctrines that were kind of hammered out before his assent
• 5:23:27
  to the. So why can't we do the same with
• 5:23:30
  the Protestant Church We have. I'm not saying you got the gun,
• 5:23:33
  chill. I'm not saying you do.
• 5:23:34
  Here's the thing. When I see Protestant understand
• 5:23:37
  there are 800 denominations, it is a big, big.
• 5:23:41
  I don't know if there are 800, but go ahead.
• 5:23:43
  Well, that's it's about 800. So no, no, it's about 100 in the
• 5:23:47
  United States, probably, yeah. No, but I'm saying 800 overall.
• 5:23:51
  The thing of it is, yeah, remember the study that went out
• 5:23:56
  where where you have a bunch of Catholic straw manning and
• 5:23:59
  saying there's like 30-40 thousand different
• 5:24:01
  denominations? I'd say there's about 30 or 40
• 5:24:04
  in America and then the 100 worldwide.
• 5:24:07
  Well, actually, no, it's actually much more diverse than
• 5:24:09
  that because that study was actually being read wrong.
• 5:24:13
  And So what they kind of found is that when you take all of the
• 5:24:17
  sects of Protestantism, everyone that kind of came from the
• 5:24:19
  Reformation, you could do about 800 unique traditions.
• 5:24:25
  And that's depending on let me just ask you one question about
• 5:24:28
  the list. I know you don't have a list
• 5:24:30
  because no one will ever be able to produce one, but the but the
• 5:24:33
  mantra still lives. Can you is the Jehovah Witness a
• 5:24:37
  part of that denominational one of those denominations?
• 5:24:41
  Yes, OK, not everybody. I appreciate you appreciate not
• 5:24:45
  every. So I don't really I reject that
• 5:24:47
  list. OK, but we can.
• 5:24:48
  And this is the issue, Jill, you're trying to.
• 5:24:50
  Well, that's not the this is the issue.
• 5:24:52
  The issue is, is that you don't obviously, and whoever made this
• 5:24:57
  list don't understand what 1st century Christianity, what
• 5:25:02
  Christians actually believe. We believe what the Bible, and
• 5:25:05
  that's irrelevant for what apostan is and what the apostles
• 5:25:09
  taught in scripture. OK, that's what they believe.
• 5:25:12
  Jehovah Witnesses don't believe that.
• 5:25:14
  So why are they considered a denomination?
• 5:25:17
  Because they are Protestant, whether or not they're Christian
• 5:25:20
  or not. No, because here's the thing.
• 5:25:22
  You don't even need to take mine for that.
• 5:25:23
  You can actually trace their theological lineage all the way
• 5:25:27
  to the Millerite movement. The Millerite movement came from
• 5:25:30
  Protestant. We don't care about their
• 5:25:31
  ancestry. We don't care about.
• 5:25:34
  We don't care about where they came from or who they can trace
• 5:25:37
  their line of, and doctrinally they're called doctrinally.
• 5:25:41
  We don't really care about anything else.
• 5:25:43
  OK, I'm going to prevent, I'm going to try to prevent an
• 5:25:46
  aneurysm from my eyes rolling into the back of my skull here.
• 5:25:48
  But here's the thing. That's how Protestant is defined
• 5:25:52
  according to that, to that study, to what?
• 5:25:54
  That research, Because here's the thing, the idea, the idea,
• 5:25:58
  what they, and they're very clear about this.
• 5:26:00
  They define a Protestant sect as something that can trace its
• 5:26:04
  lineage down to the Reformation, and that is the Jehovah's
• 5:26:09
  Witnesses Can't do that. You can trace who is they, who
• 5:26:12
  is the authority. You're saying this is how they
• 5:26:15
  trade. Who is they?
• 5:26:17
  That I used to know it was from that.
• 5:26:20
  It was from a study. Let me do a quick search and
• 5:26:22
  find that for you. But yeah, that's not how we
• 5:26:25
  determine whether or not someone is of God or their teachings are
• 5:26:29
  of God. Paul didn't say test my lineage
• 5:26:32
  in light of the whether or not I'm the descendant of David or
• 5:26:38
  whatever the case may be. He said to the Bereans, tested
• 5:26:42
  what he was teaching his doctrine in light of what is
• 5:26:45
  already in written. I mean, I understand that you
• 5:26:50
  come from a tradition where that is important, but in the
• 5:26:54
  Protestant protest to that type of litmus test now we only say
• 5:27:01
  that what scripture says is the authority.
• 5:27:04
  The Bible is the keystone to our faith, not tradition.
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  Tradition can be perverted. Tradition can have bad members.
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  It can have bad characters like many of your popes who who
• 5:27:16
  tortured Cardinals that that plotted that he believed plotted
• 5:27:21
  against them Poe Bourbon. So I mean, we don't put our
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  trust in man or any system, man made system.
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  He put our trust in Christ and his word, period.
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  That's it. So the thing about is you do
• 5:27:36
  actually trust in tradition though.
• 5:27:38
  And the reason you do is because if you actually believe what the
• 5:27:42
  Bible said, you'd believe completely what the Bible says
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  and that was your sole authority.
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  You would believe that Jesus Christ is president of the
• 5:27:51
  Eucharist. Because the most concrete
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  example we see of this is within Paul and John, you'd also
• 5:27:59
  believe that baptism actually does have a salvific element.
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  We should do that in Luke 1 at a time.
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  Liberal. One at a time.
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  One at a time, I know, but hold on, hold on, Phil.
• 5:28:08
  One at a time. What was the first one again?
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  Jesus touched it being present in the Eucharist.
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  OK, what does that mean? Jesus Christ is present in the
• 5:28:16
  Eucharist, as in that the Eucharist is a sacrifice.
• 5:28:20
  OK, that that actually is in a real sense, Jesus.
• 5:28:24
  It's a sacrifice we offer to God.
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  If I'm not mistaken, your tradition looks that is purely
• 5:28:29
  symbolic, but the gods say Bible authors do not.
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  Hold on, hold on. It's like, suppose I don't know
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  what you're comparing. It is a sacrifice.
• 5:28:38
  We believe it's a sacrifice. What else does that mean?
• 5:28:41
  To be Jesus is part? What was that mantra again?
• 5:28:46
  Jesus is what? So the bread and wine, you
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  believe that's a sacrifice we make to God?
• 5:28:52
  The bread and wine is a sacrifice we make to God.
• 5:28:56
  Yeah, the Eucharist. Dude, do you know what the
• 5:28:58
  Eucharist is? You're saying that Paul taught
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  that we are actually sacrificing Christ, basically, Yeah.
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  Can you show me that book chapter and verse, please?
• 5:29:15
  I think we were over when we, when we give, when he says do
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  this in remembrance of me, Paul is actually saying that we are
• 5:29:25
  sacrificing Jesus Christ again on the cross.
• 5:29:29
  No, that's not what he's saying. OK, So what?
• 5:29:32
  So explain what these mantras mean because we just don't live
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  off of mantras. We want to know exactly what
• 5:29:38
  they entail. We don't want to just chant
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  them. Yep.
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  So you want to know what they actually mean and where is that
• 5:29:47
  idea emotionally found in scripture.
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  What Paul is saying is that the sacrifice itself is Christ, but
• 5:29:54
  like the but like the ACT but like it is just that same
• 5:29:59
  sacrifice in Golgotha. And I think you can you I some
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  might disagree with me, but I think you can make a good
• 5:30:04
  example for here. Let me get to Corinthians.
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  I think it's going to be in 10. It's either going to be 8 or 10.
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  OK. What was the terminology you use
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  again? I want to write it down because
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  I I'll forget it. You said that we don't believe
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  that the sacrifices. We're sacrificing Christ again.
• 5:30:32
  No. OK, so well, explain that.
• 5:30:35
  What, what, what exactly was that term again?
• 5:30:37
  Yeah, the the sacrifice of Christ at Golgotha is being
• 5:30:41
  represented. Not that it's happening again
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  and again and again, like different sacrifices, but that
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  same sacrifice at Golgotha we participate in by it being
• 5:30:51
  presented at Mass or representation, A
• 5:30:55
  representation. OK, so sort of a reenactment of
• 5:30:58
  what happened. It's deeper than that because
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  the idea where Paul's drawn from comes from something that is in
• 5:31:08
  Jewish tradition, too, where the Jews had believed that every
• 5:31:11
  Passover wasn't just a reenactment of the Passover, but
• 5:31:16
  they were basically mystically participating in the same
• 5:31:20
  Passover that Moses had performed in Egypt.
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  And so every Passover was like a representation of that day in
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  the in that current calendar year.
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  And so when we offered the sacrifice of the Mass, we're not
• 5:31:37
  just off re offering more bread and we're not just we're not
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  just what do I say representing that sacrifice or re enacting
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  it? We are actually being, we're
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  actually taking mystical participation in that sacrifice
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  of Golgotha. OK, all right, on the this, this
• 5:31:57
  is so much. I mean, you're, you're really
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  good at, at regurgitating this stuff, but you're not really
• 5:32:04
  good at defending it. Of the the reasons, I don't mind
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  Scripture. Scripture provides us with the
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  reasons behind the symbol of the Sabbath.
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  The Sabbath, if you notice, changed emphasis over time, the
• 5:32:20
  emphasis on what they are celebrating changes.
• 5:32:24
  In Genesis, we all know the celebrate celebration of God's
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  completed work. After the Exodus, the Sabbath
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  expands to celebrate deliverance from Pharaoh in Deuteronomy 5.
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  That's true. So the emphasis shifts once
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  again and of course in the New Testament.
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  So I'm, I'm not sure how you could use it, you know,
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  something like argue that when we take the communion or when
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  the Jews took or celebrated the Sabbath, they were reenacting a
• 5:33:07
  work in creation. No, they weren't.
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  They were shifting emphasis to whatever they were going through
• 5:33:13
  at the time. Yeah.
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  And then and then we get Hanukkah from the Antiochus, the
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  the 4th Epiphanies. Yeah, the Maccabees, a whole
• 5:33:23
  totally different emphasis, correct?
• 5:33:27
  No, actually, the holy day of Hanukkah became what day doesn't
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  doesn't exist. Before the Maccabean civil war,
• 5:33:33
  it was precisely the deliverance of the Jews from Antiochus and
• 5:33:37
  the establishment of the Hasmodian dynasty.
• 5:33:40
  That was never a Sabbath. That was never a Sabbath.
• 5:33:43
  It was never a Sabbath. OK, All right.
• 5:33:45
  So we'll just take, we'll just take creative and then
• 5:33:49
  Deuteronomy. OK, so this is the, this is the
• 5:33:53
  relevant verse I'm telling you about.
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  And it's where Paul is very clear to admit that the
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  Eucharist is a sacrifice for making to God.
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  Let me read this. We agree with that.
• 5:34:04
  OK, well then if you're not showing me what we disagree
• 5:34:06
  with, so you're going to you're going to hold on, you're going
• 5:34:11
  to bait and switch and put something that we both already
• 5:34:15
  agree with. I'm not, I'm not arguing against
• 5:34:18
  the point you just made. OK, so the Eucharist is a
• 5:34:21
  sacrifice then, right? It is a sacrifice, yes.
• 5:34:23
  Now that's fascinating because Luther and Calvin definitely
• 5:34:27
  disagreed with that. Disagree with what?
• 5:34:31
  That the Eucharist was a sacrifice.
• 5:34:32
  Luther was very clear talking about the you're talking about
• 5:34:36
  your performance, that you're actually sack.
• 5:34:39
  What does that mean? That you're actually sacrificing
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  Christ? Or is it a reenactment that
• 5:34:46
  we're participating, participating here?
• 5:34:51
  You're participating sounds a little bit like, I don't know if
• 5:34:53
  you're trying to communicate this, but it sounds a little bit
• 5:34:58
  like you're participating in the crucifixion of Christ anew each
• 5:35:03
  week. It, it, it, it, it sometimes
• 5:35:05
  maybe three times a week. I guess they're re enactment
• 5:35:08
  masses. They have.
• 5:35:09
  But as far as I understand and, and correct me, you know, and,
• 5:35:12
  and I know there's a distinction and you don't want to address
• 5:35:15
  that, that's fine. I'm not going to bring it up the
• 5:35:17
  way that the Orthodox hold the real presence versus
• 5:35:20
  transubstantiation, which is moving Catholics.
• 5:35:23
  I'm not going to drag that in the mix right now.
• 5:35:24
  That's OK. That's something we'll have for
• 5:35:26
  another time. But but let's, let's focus here.
• 5:35:29
  I just want to make sure that Jill is clear and the room is
• 5:35:31
  clear 'cause it it kind of sounds like you are essentially
• 5:35:36
  taking the position of taking your part in participating in
• 5:35:41
  the killing, sacrificing of Christ on the cross.
• 5:35:46
  It just, and if I'm wrong or I've misrepresented, please
• 5:35:50
  clarify, but start there so we're not confused 'cause that's
• 5:35:53
  what I got from it. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
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  OK. No, we're don't believe that.
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  We're just sacrificing Christ anew because it's one sacrifice
• 5:36:05
  for the forgiveness of sins. What the Eucharist is, it is a
• 5:36:09
  representation as in we are being, we are mystically
• 5:36:13
  participating in that same sacrifice of Golgotha.
• 5:36:17
  So when you see the Eucharist, right, and you see the priest
• 5:36:21
  bless it and raise it, that actually in a very real sense,
• 5:36:26
  Jesus is in that. And it is the post crucifer
• 5:36:29
  Jesus where we are participating in his sacrifice for that
• 5:36:34
  forgiveness of sin. And I, I swear to all heavenly
• 5:36:39
  Father and all merciful sweet Jesus.
• 5:36:41
  And does that make I'm, I'm not trying to be a troll, honest.
• 5:36:45
  I'm going to be. Let me tell you what I just
• 5:36:47
  heard. Let me give you an analogy of
• 5:36:49
  what I just heard. You and me are standing at a
• 5:36:52
  lake and you point across the pond and you say, Hey, you see
• 5:36:57
  that thing over there that looks like a duck, walks like a duck,
• 5:37:01
  quacks like a duck. You know, that's not a duck.
• 5:37:06
  That's what I just got from you right there.
• 5:37:09
  I got it's a it's a representation of ducks
• 5:37:12
  agreement that no, I'm not saying we're participating in
• 5:37:16
  the sacrificing of Christ anew, but we are participating in the
• 5:37:19
  sacrifice of Christ. I and well, you get what I'm
• 5:37:23
  saying. Yeah, I, I can, I can see I, I,
• 5:37:26
  I kind of think of it like this, where the sacrifice of Christ
• 5:37:30
  was so momentous and it was so seismic in just reality that it
• 5:37:36
  has come to be that that same event has simply how, but that
• 5:37:43
  same event has extended down to today.
• 5:37:46
  OK. And so the, the idea here is
• 5:37:50
  that, oh, I want to say that. Oh, I'm, I'm, I'm tripping over
• 5:37:55
  my words here that the sacrifice of Christ on Golgotha 2000 years
• 5:38:02
  ago was something so momentous that it can still be
• 5:38:06
  participated today in real time all this thousands of years
• 5:38:10
  later. Is that making it a bit more
• 5:38:12
  clearer for you or is it clear as mud?
• 5:38:15
  So, so, so if I could get this straight, and in terms of trying
• 5:38:18
  to try to clarify this analogously, so it's not like
• 5:38:22
  you're there being the centurion putting Christ on the cross.
• 5:38:28
  It's like you're there as an audience member.
• 5:38:31
  You're at the, you're at the last, the Last Supper, right?
• 5:38:35
  Yes, you're at the Last Supper. Is that OK?
• 5:38:38
  Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 5:38:40
  He's not talking about being present at the Last Supper in
• 5:38:44
  this context. He's talking about in in the
• 5:38:46
  performance of the Eucharist. You're like an audience member
• 5:38:50
  in the crowd when Christ is being crucified.
• 5:38:52
  You're participating in you're when you when you read or
• 5:38:59
  writing spiritually time traveling.
• 5:39:02
  Well, I that's not but that that doesn't correspond to the text.
• 5:39:06
  This is all of it. Do this in remembrance.
• 5:39:11
  I'm act I'm actually going to try to steal Matt.
• 5:39:14
  I really am. I'm not going to try to be.
• 5:39:17
  I mean it just doesn't correspond to what the text
• 5:39:19
  says. So he's he's instructing his
• 5:39:22
  followers to participate in the sacrament to remember his
• 5:39:27
  atoning sacrifice. I mean, it's it's this is this
• 5:39:31
  is this is a ritual, but I don't see even I don't see a
• 5:39:37
  reenactment of the of the here being right.
• 5:39:41
  So here's the thing, Jill, the term do this in memory of me is
• 5:39:45
  the term anamicist and it means to bring something to memory.
• 5:39:50
  However, in the 1st century, and again, it's not just the Bible
• 5:39:54
  that does this. We have a lot of existing texts
• 5:39:56
  from that time. Anamicist is actually being used
• 5:40:00
  in reference to sacrificial aspects.
• 5:40:04
  So case in point, let's just say.
• 5:40:07
  Yeah, let's, let's let's just say that the that the Romans
• 5:40:11
  have a great victory against the Sassanids and they and they pray
• 5:40:14
  to Mars. Mars grants them a major city in
• 5:40:18
  their empire. They will then make a sacrifice
• 5:40:22
  every year in memory of what Mars did.
• 5:40:25
  So in Namdesis is actually very close to sacrifice itself.
• 5:40:30
  Be that as it may, this in the Christian context, this isn't a
• 5:40:34
  new sacrifice, It's a it's the representation of that same
• 5:40:39
  sacrifice to bring it back to memory.
• 5:40:41
  And So what Smokey is saying is that we're we're basically
• 5:40:44
  audience members watching this, the loud, the apostles in the
• 5:40:48
  upper room during the Last Supper.
• 5:40:51
  They were participating in the sacrifice that hadn't not yet
• 5:40:55
  happened before their eyes yet, but they were still
• 5:40:57
  participating in the crucifixion that would just happen that that
• 5:41:01
  very next morning. Similarly, when the Mass was
• 5:41:04
  said every year after that, it is them participating in that
• 5:41:09
  sacrifice as say, an audience member.
• 5:41:13
  OK, they're not, they're obviously not in that same time
• 5:41:17
  and space, but mystically they are.
• 5:41:20
  Is that making more sense? Yeah, but Paul never taught
• 5:41:23
  that. I mean, well, we we have an
• 5:41:25
  active, we have a remembrance. We have an active remembrance.
• 5:41:29
  So in the in the context, this is a recalling.
• 5:41:32
  OK, So we do recall. OK, So we do recall that Christ
• 5:41:37
  was sacrificed and we connect with him in that sacrifice when
• 5:41:42
  we all take communion. OK, So this is what Paul that's
• 5:41:45
  that's the extent. I don't know where you're
• 5:41:47
  getting this. Are you done, Paul from are you
• 5:41:49
  done? Not in the text.
• 5:41:51
  Are you done? Yeah.
• 5:41:53
  Show me now. Show us in picture.
• 5:41:54
  Show us, Paul. Here we go in chapter 10, verse
• 5:41:57
  14 of First Corinthians. We have therefore, my beloved,
• 5:42:02
  avoid idolatry. I am speaking to you as a
• 5:42:04
  sensible, as sensible people. Judge for yourself what I am
• 5:42:08
  saying. The cup of blessing that we
• 5:42:10
  bless, is it not the participation in the blood of
• 5:42:13
  Christ, The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the
• 5:42:19
  body of Christ? This is a sacrifice, as Paul's
• 5:42:22
  about to say here, because the loaf of the bread is 1.
• 5:42:25
  We, though many, partake in one body, for we all partake in the
• 5:42:29
  one loaf. Look at Israel according to the
• 5:42:33
  flesh. Are not those who eat the
• 5:42:35
  sacrifices participants in the altar?
• 5:42:40
  So what am I saying? That the meat sacrifice to idols
• 5:42:43
  is anything or that an idol is anything?
• 5:42:46
  No, I mean that what they sacrifice, they sacrifice to
• 5:42:50
  demons, not to God. And I do not want you to become
• 5:42:54
  participants with the with demons.
• 5:42:58
  You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of drink of the
• 5:43:02
  cup of demons. You cannot partake in the table
• 5:43:05
  of the Lord and the table of demons.
• 5:43:08
  He is right now already comparing the Eucharist not
• 5:43:12
  merely just to the sacrifices of that the Jews current that the
• 5:43:16
  Jews had in the temple, but to the sacrifices of pagans as
• 5:43:20
  well. That that there is a there is a
• 5:43:24
  distinct way here. Paul thinks that the Eucharist
• 5:43:27
  is a genuine sacrifice that we're making to God.
• 5:43:31
  And now when you kind of wrote the Hebrews into this, the
• 5:43:35
  theological construct you have is that it's one sacrifice being
• 5:43:40
  represented and we are participating it not in the way
• 5:43:43
  that, say, Longinus stabbed Jesus in the chest.
• 5:43:47
  OK, All right, so, so because Paul.
• 5:43:49
  OK, so because Paul says this, this is the ritual we should, we
• 5:43:55
  should be performing, not sacrificing as they do.
• 5:44:01
  You're suggesting that Paul was saying this was a sacrifice.
• 5:44:04
  Oh, yeah. No, I'll, I will correct you.
• 5:44:06
  That's a bit of a stretch. I don't know.
• 5:44:08
  Hold on. Hold on.
• 5:44:08
  Let me correct you. Let me.
• 5:44:10
  You said something wrong. Paul was saying.
• 5:44:12
  No, we Paul was saying we should exactly do this as they do.
• 5:44:15
  His issue is that what they sacrifice is being done to
• 5:44:19
  demons, not to God. That's as good as sacrifice,
• 5:44:23
  right? They did sacrifice and they had
• 5:44:24
  other rituals, but sacrifice was the way they would communicate
• 5:44:28
  primarily with their God. So we we don't, I have the
• 5:44:32
  ultimate sacrifice. So again, I, I don't, I, I don't
• 5:44:37
  see Paul here suggesting what you're trying to stretch the
• 5:44:41
  text to, to say. And I would suggest to you, I'm
• 5:44:44
  not really stretching it. I'm reading what Paul says.
• 5:44:47
  But you can't allow Paul to be right on this issue.
• 5:44:49
  Paul doesn't make it your own traditions.
• 5:44:51
  You're interpreting that well, you're interpreting Paul to be
• 5:44:54
  making some. I'm reading Paul for I'm not
• 5:44:57
  interpreting anything. I'm right.
• 5:44:59
  You didn't work. You said that that means that he
• 5:45:02
  is comparing the two. That means that we are actually
• 5:45:05
  participating in that sacrifice because he compared, because he
• 5:45:09
  says don't sacrifice like they do.
• 5:45:13
  No, this is what he said. I'll read it again.
• 5:45:16
  OK. Yeah.
• 5:45:17
  What am I saying? That the meat sacrifice to idols
• 5:45:20
  or anything or that the idol is anything?
• 5:45:23
  No, I mean that what they sacrifice, they sacrifice to
• 5:45:27
  demons, not to God. OK.
• 5:45:30
  And I do not want you to be participants with the demons.
• 5:45:35
  And already in the prior verses that the that the blessing and
• 5:45:40
  that the cup and the bread they bless, they're already
• 5:45:43
  participating with the sacrifice of Christ.
• 5:45:46
  What the the criticism that Paul is speaking here is not at all
• 5:45:53
  that they're sacrificing anything, but it's who's
• 5:45:55
  receiving the sacrifice. The fundamental way you
• 5:45:58
  communicate with any God is through sacrifice, Paul, right?
• 5:46:02
  Who's communicate right? Who's attempting to communicate
• 5:46:06
  to God through a sacrifice, through a ritual again?
• 5:46:12
  I I really don't see you. You're trying to bridge this
• 5:46:15
  chasm, but you really can't twist Paul's words enough to get
• 5:46:19
  to where you're at. Well, I don't have to twist
• 5:46:21
  Paul's words at all. He agrees with you.
• 5:46:24
  He agrees with me far more than he agrees with you, Jill.
• 5:46:26
  He never said what you're trying to make him say.
• 5:46:29
  You're trying to make him. He's openly saying that.
• 5:46:31
  He's openly saying that. It's, it's clear as the nose on
• 5:46:34
  your face. You assume because he compared
• 5:46:36
  their sacrificing, the way they are communicating, the way they
• 5:46:39
  are celebrating, the way they are worshipping.
• 5:46:42
  He compares that to what we are doing and you're saying that,
• 5:46:45
  oh, there, there's more. There's a 1 to 1 correspondence
• 5:46:49
  between. There literally has to be, there
• 5:46:51
  has, there isn't. That's that's you're pushing
• 5:46:54
  that on to the text. If Paul doesn't mean for this to
• 5:46:57
  be a sacrifice, then what? But then what Paul is basically
• 5:47:01
  saying has no rhetorical force whatsoever and was worthless.
• 5:47:05
  It's not even an interpretation, actually.
• 5:47:07
  It's an interpretation. It's an interpretation.
• 5:47:10
  It's an interpolation. It's it's not in the text.
• 5:47:14
  It's not derived from the text. It literally is.
• 5:47:18
  It literally is, Jill, that you what part of that?
• 5:47:21
  What part of this is not derived from the text?
• 5:47:24
  Again, you assume A1 to 1 correspondence between the two,
• 5:47:29
  that because they are sacrificing to communicate with
• 5:47:33
  their God, they're actually literally sacrificing every
• 5:47:36
  time. They're not just doing a ritual
• 5:47:39
  to symbolize the sacrifice, they're actually doing it each
• 5:47:44
  time. OK, you cannot drink.
• 5:47:45
  In our case, we're not actually sacrificing each time we're
• 5:47:50
  doing. We're performing a ritual which
• 5:47:52
  represents what happened. The actual you cannot drink the
• 5:47:57
  cup of the Lord and also the cup of demons.
• 5:48:00
  You cannot partake in the table of the Lord and the table of
• 5:48:03
  demons. Who are the demons, Jill?
• 5:48:10
  Who are the demons? OK, so Jill is so quiet, so I
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  guess I'll answer it for him. The demons are the false gods
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  that we see here already. That's the context of this
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  verse. The Lord is obviously God, and
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  in order to have a sacrifice, you participate in that
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  sacrifice. This is just what Paul is
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  saying. 14 Yeah, no, actually we'll go to 16.
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  It speaks more bluntly. The couple, the couple of
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  blessings that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood
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  of Christ? The bread that we break is not a
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  participation in the body of Christ.
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  That's what it is to have a sacrifice, to participate with
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  it. Yeah.
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  That that's your that's the bridge you drew.
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  That's what all is saying, participating in the actual
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  event. It's not, it's not the same as
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  participating in a ritual which brings us in remembrance of that
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  actual event. So I think it's the last thing I
• 5:49:13
  got to say on this issue because I am hungry and I want some
• 5:49:16
  dinner. So Smokey, I hope you actually
• 5:49:18
  understand what was said there and why Jill doesn't want it to
• 5:49:22
  be said. It really, it really hurts his
• 5:49:25
  theology. But I want you to to point out
• 5:49:28
  nobody actually looks at the Bible as their soul infallible
• 5:49:30
  authority. Because really Jill's traditions
• 5:49:34
  right now that we see up and up front and stage are basically
• 5:49:38
  over ruling what Paul says. Just think about that for a
• 5:49:41
  moment. So secondly, Jill, seriously try
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  to read this unbiasedly and just try this word anyway.
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  I love everybody. I love everyone of you, even you
• 5:49:55
  Jill and the audience appreciate you.
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  So you everybody, Viva Krista Ray, pray the rosary.
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  I am hungry. Take care buddy.
• 5:50:03
  You too. You too bud.
• 5:50:05
  And also I'll, I'll I'll if you want me to, we can have private
• 5:50:11
  conversations and maybe we can talk some more.
• 5:50:13
  I feel like you need someone event too.
• 5:50:15
  Yeah. Say the Hail Marys for me or
• 5:50:18
  something. I don't know.
• 5:50:18
  I will pray a rosary. Right.
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  Just. Hey, hey, fro before you go.
• 5:50:21
  I know we haven't met, but I like your energy and your
• 5:50:23
  enthusiasm. And I think you're you're doing
• 5:50:25
  a good job at what you're trying to do.
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  He's a good guy. He's a good guy.
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  Thank you. Thank you.
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  I sense no malicious intent from you.
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  Well, thank you so much for saying that.
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  But but God bless you all. Pray the rosary.
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  Goodnight. God bless.
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  Yeah. That is actually one of the
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  tough things about this, too. That works, you know, against my
• 5:50:46
  perspective because you look at someone like, like Fro and I
• 5:50:49
  disagree with him and his position.
• 5:50:51
  I think he's a dirty, heretical papist that holds on to a cult
• 5:50:56
  that rebelled against the true church and true church tradition
• 5:50:59
  and the grand schism, you know, around the Philly Oak way.
• 5:51:02
  I think, I believe that happened, but I believe that the
• 5:51:04
  entirety of the church had already left about 300 years
• 5:51:08
  before that left the tradition that they claimed to hold to and
• 5:51:11
  cling to. And, and we're leveraged by a
• 5:51:14
  bunch of political powers and a bunch of, you know, politically
• 5:51:17
  placed deviants and had no real theological mind or learning.
• 5:51:21
  But we're suddenly put in a position to be able to dictate,
• 5:51:24
  you know, doctrine and beliefs for the entirety of the masses.
• 5:51:26
  And, and what happened? Well, just more and more
• 5:51:29
  splintering, more and more nonsense.
• 5:51:31
  Cause of course, you know, you'd have, you know, priests in the
• 5:51:34
  mix who actually truly did love the study of theology and
• 5:51:38
  history and Scripture finding themselves, much as we often
• 5:51:41
  find ourselves today, surrounding a milieu of fucking
• 5:51:44
  idiots. And it's not like God, you know,
• 5:51:47
  removes them or keeps them from being in any type of position
• 5:51:51
  to, like, not cause harm, No. And God's moral virtue, it's
• 5:51:54
  good to leave them there and sometimes even promote them as
• 5:51:58
  to, I guess, essentially test us, right?
• 5:52:00
  That's really what it is, you know, that's what it boils down
• 5:52:03
  to, you know, like, hey, make it so near impossible and hard to
• 5:52:08
  navigate the various different beliefs and ideas of what's
• 5:52:12
  essential, what's not essential and, and, and just, you know,
• 5:52:16
  have nothing really there to anchor or hold anything in place
• 5:52:21
  with any sense of confidence. And even the very institutions
• 5:52:23
  that you think would be the bastions of such thing have
• 5:52:25
  fallen flat on their fucking ass, you know, to do anything to
• 5:52:29
  actually protect any sense of true tradition that they claim
• 5:52:32
  to hold to. And they've all wandered.
• 5:52:34
  They've all strayed. So where do you exactly link
• 5:52:38
  yourself? Is it this, this, you know,
• 5:52:40
  innocuous, unknown, invisible, unseen and discernible, you
• 5:52:44
  know, collection of believers that just so happen to find each
• 5:52:48
  other by whatever means they do, and then disagree and backstab
• 5:52:52
  each other and give perverse moralities and subject
• 5:52:56
  themselves to no authority, no teaching, no man, no tradition,
• 5:53:01
  no no instruction. They just, you know, all become
• 5:53:04
  their own popes, you know, quibbling and quabbling and
• 5:53:07
  bickering and whining and, and who looks at all this and can
• 5:53:11
  find any semblance or shadow of the presence of anything that
• 5:53:16
  you could point to as any type of spirit, let alone a holy 1.
• 5:53:21
  You know, it, it almost starts to look at some point like it's
• 5:53:24
  some sort of grand scheme, as if, you know, creating a a group
• 5:53:30
  of enapted, barely sentient apes to quibble and quabble over a
• 5:53:35
  bunch of shit that you yourself intentionally made difficult and
• 5:53:39
  confusing just to enjoy watching them squirm.
• 5:53:43
  You know? I mean, who can really
• 5:53:45
  ultimately know in terms of God's thoughts being beyond our
• 5:53:48
  thoughts? And do any of us really, even up
• 5:53:50
  to this day, understand what the fuck the point of the book of
• 5:53:53
  Joe even really was? You know what I mean?
• 5:53:56
  Bad things happen to good people and just be OK with it because
• 5:54:00
  whatever reason it is, you know, God's got to God's got it.
• 5:54:04
  God's got it figured out. Not only does he have to not
• 5:54:06
  have to tell you before he does it, he don't even have to tell
• 5:54:09
  you after he does it either. Just you just sit there and say,
• 5:54:12
  you know what, you just accept it.
• 5:54:14
  You know, this is just how things are and it's just good
• 5:54:17
  because you know, hi. Well, I'm saying it is.
• 5:54:20
  And you're in no place to test or question me.
• 5:54:23
  And your perspective is subjective and fallible and
• 5:54:26
  lesser than mine anyway. And doesn't really matter if you
• 5:54:29
  like it or don't like it or think it's unjust or think it's
• 5:54:32
  evil because you don't have any other standard to measure to
• 5:54:36
  other than me. So you just have to accept it,
• 5:54:39
  no matter how it affects you in terms of this free will
• 5:54:43
  conscience that's been delivered to you and how it challenges
• 5:54:46
  your views and your points. And you're supposed to accept
• 5:54:49
  that the good, merciful, righteous, just, perfectly
• 5:54:52
  wonderful God that is the God revealed in Scripture somehow
• 5:54:57
  has just manifested all of this fucking bullshit and doesn't
• 5:55:02
  seem to exercise a whole lot of sovereignty in helping anyone
• 5:55:06
  straighten or clear it out. And now the test has become so
• 5:55:09
  fucking complex. Who can find the needle in the
• 5:55:12
  haystack? The narrow Rd. amongst the miles
• 5:55:16
  of various different highways that have manifested in culture?
• 5:55:19
  And how many of these things Can you believe or not believe
• 5:55:22
  before you compromise your salvation or never had it at
• 5:55:26
  all? Or oh, sass, or free grace.
• 5:55:29
  And all of them claiming to be the one true gospel, the one you
• 5:55:32
  have to believe, the one you have to hold to.
• 5:55:34
  And the free gracers. I'll tell you why you don't have
• 5:55:37
  to hold to it and then treat you unsaved when you don't hold to
• 5:55:39
  it. And it's all contradictory and
• 5:55:42
  confusing and you just have to, I guess at some level, trust
• 5:55:46
  that this Holy Spirit supposedly actually exists and is going to
• 5:55:50
  guide you into all truth and the stuff that you're supposed to
• 5:55:53
  believe. You're just going to end up
• 5:55:55
  believing it even though everyone the fuck around you
• 5:55:57
  seems to believe a bunch of different things anyway?
• 5:56:01
  So you gonna tell me that the righteous, holy, good, and
• 5:56:05
  merciful God created this milieu of mess and nonsense that is so
• 5:56:09
  incredibly difficult for all of us to navigate out of a
• 5:56:12
  reflection of what? His great mercy and virtue and
• 5:56:17
  desire to show His own glory? Is this what he needed?
• 5:56:20
  He needed this giant goddamn catastrophe in order to display
• 5:56:25
  His glory? This.
• 5:56:26
  This big pile of ridiculous horseshit that we all find
• 5:56:30
  ourselves in, with a bunch of immorality and horrors and evil,
• 5:56:34
  this somehow just needed to be because, well, this was the only
• 5:56:38
  way God was going to get his glory across to the world.
• 5:56:40
  And that doesn't look weird to anyone that God doesn't have the
• 5:56:45
  ability to manifest his glory except in imperfections.
• 5:56:48
  Strife, horror, murder, pain, destitution, pestilence, famine,
• 5:56:55
  all of these horrible atrocious things that are controlled in
• 5:56:58
  scope by the Holy God himself and the limits they're in how
• 5:57:03
  bad they can be and how good they can be and how easy it is
• 5:57:07
  to fix them. And they're set in such a cycle
• 5:57:09
  and in such a way where it manifest horror is before us
• 5:57:13
  that most of us that have any desire to do anything about are
• 5:57:17
  actually ultimately powerless to do so, while the resources that
• 5:57:22
  actually could do something about it are hoarded by the
• 5:57:25
  group of people least likely to actually do anything about it.
• 5:57:28
  And this is just the natural nature of the order of reality
• 5:57:33
  created and manifested by these perfectly holy and just God.
• 5:57:37
  And I dare you Christians and believers out there to start
• 5:57:42
  reconciling this shit, right? I mean, I'm such garbage, right?
• 5:57:46
  I'm such fucking trash. I never get any real credit when
• 5:57:50
  I do show signs of peace or sanctification.
• 5:57:53
  I'm always being tossed to hell by someone told I'm wrong with
• 5:57:57
  garbage arguments and nonsense ideas that don't even fit
• 5:58:01
  anything close to central core Christianity and insults the
• 5:58:05
  entirety of the work of the Holy Spirit and antiquity.
• 5:58:08
  And I see these people that are even many times not just failing
• 5:58:11
  to be cursed or limited, but actually promoted that actually
• 5:58:15
  moved a higher positions authority with greater
• 5:58:17
  followings. Look at this.
• 5:58:19
  Look at this God damn fucking what, 1 of this recent rapture
• 5:58:24
  horseshit. Some crazy nutjob retard African
• 5:58:29
  way on the other side of the fucking world decides to start
• 5:58:32
  predicting the rapture is coming.
• 5:58:33
  Some goddamn degenerate brained deviant fucking zoomers catch on
• 5:58:39
  to it, start spreading it around, and before you know it
• 5:58:42
  bitches are selling their houses, giving everything away,
• 5:58:46
  thinking the rapture is coming right up, abandoning their
• 5:58:49
  responsibilities. You know, because it's right
• 5:58:51
  around the corner. Might as well give my house
• 5:58:53
  away, going to, you know, give my car away, give all my
• 5:58:56
  possessions away. I don't need it.
• 5:58:58
  I'm going up to see Jesus because I'm fucked hard.
• 5:59:01
  African on the other side of the world said so.
• 5:59:03
  I don't know any reason to believe it other than I just, I
• 5:59:05
  guess, want to. And you look at this shit and
• 5:59:09
  these are believers, mind you, right?
• 5:59:11
  When they all say if you're willing to, that's boy, what?
• 5:59:14
  What? Ain't that a fucking bitch too,
• 5:59:16
  boy? That's one hell of an act of
• 5:59:18
  faith, isn't it? And that you're real sure that
• 5:59:21
  rapture is coming. You're going to give away all of
• 5:59:24
  your earthly possessions. You're going to just hand them
• 5:59:28
  all away. Boy, that is some die hard
• 5:59:30
  faith, probably more faith than most of you people who call
• 5:59:34
  yourself a so-called real Christian will ever actually
• 5:59:38
  exercise in your whole freaking lives.
• 5:59:41
  Really. Let's be true.
• 5:59:42
  You know, that's a real exercise of faith that this has got to be
• 5:59:47
  right. And they are so certain that
• 5:59:49
  they've given up their entire fucking house for it now
• 5:59:52
  they're, they're done. I mean, they're, they're, I
• 5:59:55
  mean, it didn't happen. They don't have anything to go
• 5:59:58
  off of. It didn't happen.
• 6:00:00
  OK. And and we all knew with any
• 6:00:03
  semblance of real, actual Christian insider biblical
• 6:00:07
  knowledge, we knew too that it wasn't going to happen because
• 6:00:11
  this nut job predicted it. But 2,000,000 Plus subscribers
• 6:00:15
  on TikTok thought otherwise. And followed this fuck head
• 6:00:19
  around and made a big giant mess and, and gleaned a whole bunch
• 6:00:25
  of dollars and money and attention and bullshit off of
• 6:00:29
  this garbage. And you all believers, quote UN
• 6:00:32
  quote believers, you going to tell me that suspending
• 6:00:35
  disbelief is all you need for salvation and being guided into
• 6:00:38
  all truth? All of these stupid assholes
• 6:00:41
  suspended disbelief in the cross, in the work of God, in
• 6:00:45
  the gospel. Are they not being led by the
• 6:00:47
  Holy Spirit? How the fuck did all of them get
• 6:00:50
  this so God damn incredibly wrong?
• 6:00:52
  Where was the Holy Spirit in them?
• 6:00:54
  Didn't they believe? Don't they all affirm with such
• 6:00:58
  intensity of belief in Christ and His promise and His return
• 6:01:02
  that they give their whole fucking life away?
• 6:01:05
  Isn't that a clear demonstration?
• 6:01:07
  They have that type of real fucking faith?
• 6:01:10
  So where's the Holy Spirit in their lives?
• 6:01:14
  Since all you fucks want to tell me, I just got to suspend
• 6:01:17
  disbelief. I just got to believe a factoid
• 6:01:22
  and the Holy Spirit's going to guide me.
• 6:01:24
  Well, where the fuck is it? In all of these people's lives,
• 6:01:32
  you know, none of you, none of you in this community have ever
• 6:01:37
  seen me as an atheist before. You thought Justin was bad.
• 6:01:42
  You thought Skyler was bad. You thought Planet Peterson was
• 6:01:47
  bad, or Matt Dillahunty was bad. Let me tell you something you
• 6:01:51
  fucks. You have no fucking clue how
• 6:01:55
  heinous I can be as an atheist. You have no clue.
• 6:02:01
  And my idea of doing this channel when I came back to the
• 6:02:04
  faith was to try and work with God to redeem my time and look
• 6:02:15
  at what it's brought me. Bullshit.
• 6:02:20
  Slender lies, constant attacks. The discord never stops, the
• 6:02:25
  emails never stop, the messages never stop, and none too many of
• 6:02:30
  it is always really that pleasant.
• 6:02:33
  Some sort of desperate petty jab trying to needle for me in every
• 6:02:38
  fucking angle. Silence me.
• 6:02:39
  Keep me from debating the one thing I really came in here to
• 6:02:43
  do, and I got all these quote UN quote Christians trying to keep
• 6:02:47
  me from debating. And this is virtue.
• 6:02:50
  Who do they serve, trying to keep Christians quiet from
• 6:02:54
  defending the faith? Where's the Holy Spirit in their
• 6:02:57
  lives since they've appropriately suspended
• 6:03:00
  disbelief in the historical factoid of the gospel of the
• 6:03:06
  death of burial and resurrection of Christ and the Holy Spirit
• 6:03:11
  not overpower their will? I guess it depends which version
• 6:03:17
  of Christianity you're holding to and which version will be
• 6:03:21
  more false based upon this reality.
• 6:03:24
  I am sick of Christians telling me how things are that fly in
• 6:03:29
  the face of reality. I got fucking Tucker telling me
• 6:03:35
  I'm going to hell because I think I could possibly lose my
• 6:03:38
  salvation. Him saying well that that means
• 6:03:40
  you, you don't believe in eternal life.
• 6:03:43
  Really. No, if that was true, I would
• 6:03:45
  say I will lose my salvation. That's what that would mean.
• 6:03:49
  If I say I can, that's not doubting that the eternal life
• 6:03:53
  is eternal life, Tucker, you fucking autistic retard.
• 6:03:58
  And it doesn't matter anymore, right?
• 6:04:01
  Oh, you fucking people. Most of you want me to go to
• 6:04:04
  hell anyway. I haven't seen any of that
• 6:04:08
  Christian love or virtue since I fucking got here, other than a
• 6:04:13
  few. Jill, you're a good guy.
• 6:04:14
  You've always hold the held the line and you've always been very
• 6:04:18
  virtuous and moral. I don't mean to include you in
• 6:04:20
  this, but I I'm real disgusted with most of you that go and
• 6:04:24
  Jill, you're both you know, I love you guys.
• 6:04:26
  You're both you've both been very good and virtuous.
• 6:04:28
  I don't mean any of this to, to attack you, but I am frustrated
• 6:04:34
  and I am burnt out and I am sick of, of most of you, not all of
• 6:04:38
  you. I'm not trying to make it sound
• 6:04:40
  like I, you know, suddenly I'm on a warpath for everyone in
• 6:04:44
  existence. It's not what I'm communicating
• 6:04:46
  to where I'm at, right? But I, I am frustrated, I am
• 6:04:54
  frustrated and all of you keep telling me how to do it and what
• 6:04:57
  I'm doing wrong and what I'm doing right and all this other
• 6:05:00
  shit and you're all the ones that don't do anything.
• 6:05:03
  Honestly. I mean, at least if Jill came in
• 6:05:06
  and disagreed and wanted to talk my ear off about something, at
• 6:05:09
  least I could point to Jill and all the videos he does and the
• 6:05:12
  streams he does and the challenges he accepts and the
• 6:05:14
  times he shows up to debate people.
• 6:05:16
  At least I can give him credit for that of being a genuine
• 6:05:19
  contributor. Most of you don't do shit and
• 6:05:23
  yet you want to keep telling me how I'm supposed to do it?
• 6:05:25
  OK, You want to tell me how I'm supposed to you do it?
• 6:05:27
  Then you deal with atheist Smokey.
• 6:05:30
  Then how about that? You know how?
• 6:05:31
  Why do I sit here and deal with all this shit and you don't even
• 6:05:35
  appreciate it, Don't even get credit for the good shit I do?
• 6:05:39
  Really don't ever. It's always the most negative
• 6:05:43
  fucking spiteful, unrighteous, unequal fucking judgement
• 6:05:47
  possible always being thrown at me.
• 6:05:50
  Oh, by Christians. Spirit filled, spirit LED
• 6:05:55
  Christians. Does it sound like I'm joking?
• 6:06:01
  Does it sound like this is scared?
• 6:06:03
  Anyone still want to hold that idea?
• 6:06:05
  Have I ever done this in the entire time that I ran my
• 6:06:09
  channel? It's not like this is some sort
• 6:06:13
  of fucking Brett Keene cycle where I'm going to do this every
• 6:06:16
  six months. I have tried to stick to the
• 6:06:21
  justification of the Christian faith for a very hot minute.
• 6:06:26
  I have defended it from angles that most of you have never even
• 6:06:30
  considered. I have considered the belief
• 6:06:34
  from from directions and depths that most of you will never even
• 6:06:38
  touch. And I have stuff that I think
• 6:06:42
  about and consider that even I struggle with that I don't think
• 6:06:45
  most people would have a hope in hell of figuring out themselves.
• 6:06:50
  And it just ends up being the type of thing where it is a push
• 6:06:54
  and a push and a push. And it's not just on this space.
• 6:06:58
  It's it's in the entirety of reality, it's, it is an ever
• 6:07:04
  present thing. That's the thing.
• 6:07:06
  You know, that's something you guys should all be thankful for.
• 6:07:08
  By the way, if you do, I promise you, if if you have indeed had,
• 6:07:14
  I guess maybe a little bit of like limited success or not a
• 6:07:16
  lot of success at all, in some ways, count yourself lucky.
• 6:07:20
  Like the more success, the more potent you are, the more
• 6:07:23
  attention you get, the more attacked you're going to be.
• 6:07:25
  So the enemy gets an idea that you're as if I even fucking
• 6:07:30
  believe this anymore. The enemy gets an idea in their
• 6:07:34
  head that you know, you're in a rough position or maybe
• 6:07:40
  potentially you're vulnerable for whatever reason or another.
• 6:07:43
  And the attacks just intensify. Especially if they are worried
• 6:07:46
  that you might be potent or, or, or doing something that's really
• 6:07:50
  powerful and meaningful like Kenny.
• 6:07:52
  I think that might have been one of the reasons why Kenny had
• 6:07:54
  some of the most horrific and potent spiritual attacks I've
• 6:07:57
  probably seen anyone really go through in terms of real, honest
• 6:08:02
  spiritual oppression upon him and even his family.
• 6:08:05
  Truthfully, I don't think I don't think Kenny was the only
• 6:08:09
  one experiencing it, and I do believe his wife certainly would
• 6:08:13
  affirm it as well. I don't even know if I believe
• 6:08:18
  it. Maybe it is just Kenny's mental
• 6:08:22
  stuff, you know? But he believed it and she
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  seemed to believe it. And Kenny, I think, would have
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  been really, really powerful in terms of a tool if some of this
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  stuff had just worked out a little bit differently.
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  And maybe I could even say the same for me.
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  But it didn't. And, you know, probably one of
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  the greatest, one of the greatest tools, you know, the
• 6:08:51
  white knight of kind of modern movement of Christianity working
• 6:08:55
  its way back into the culture is now fucking dead.
• 6:09:01
  You know, I stumbled a bit in my faith when Nabil Karishi died.
• 6:09:04
  I, I could, I couldn't wrap my brain around that.
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  I still can't. Nabil was younger than me, you
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  know, accomplished an incredible amount, became a medical doctor,
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  you know, I believe got in a little bit of trouble with the
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  law, met David Wood there. You know, they had, they built a
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  great friendship. David Wood dragged him out of
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  Islam into Christianity while David Wood was studying theology
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  and philosophy and became his best friend.
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  And Nabil got colon cancer or intestinal cancer of some kind
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  and and just died and he's just gone.
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  And he left his wife and his beautiful little daughter behind
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  and left a, a pit in a in well, he was actually part of Ravi
• 6:09:54
  Zacharias's ministry at the time too, But he left the pit in
• 6:09:56
  there and, and a pit really in what was a very powerful, very
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  potent polemic and ministry against Islam.
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  It's just dead. I can't understand that.
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  That doesn't make sense. I mean, he had so much more he
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  could do Is it? Wouldn't it have been a greater
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  mercy to allow him to continue so that he could convert more
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  Muslims? Because he was very, very good
• 6:10:19
  at it and he could relate with them on a very empathetic,
• 6:10:22
  direct personal level. His delivery was so soft spoken
• 6:10:27
  yet direct and truthful, almost as if like he was like a almost
• 6:10:32
  as if I would picture how Steven in Acts would have preached, you
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  know, just with that sincerity of heart and passion, but also a
• 6:10:42
  a gentleness almost with a pleading spirit that you know
• 6:10:46
  that honestly, Nabil going away didn't make any sense to me.
• 6:10:51
  He had so much more he could have done and accomplished, and
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  now probably one of the most important of the modern leaders
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  for the movement, for Christianity amongst the youth
• 6:11:05
  is dead, gone, just removed. And there is no one, fucking no
• 6:11:17
  one that can fill his shoes that is out there right now.
• 6:11:21
  Just can't happen. And the fact that that is true
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  should impress upon you the weight of the loss.
• 6:11:30
  I can't imagine a much greater loss than this than had Trump
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  himself been shot. Honestly, that you could.
• 6:11:38
  I would have. You could have taken out
• 6:11:42
  probably half of the the cabinet of the worthless administrators
• 6:11:48
  and not have had nearly as much of an impact and a loss as
• 6:11:53
  Charlie Kirk. You could have taken out 3/4 of
• 6:11:56
  Congress and not had nearly as much of a loss as losing Charlie
• 6:12:01
  Kirk. I'd trade every fucking dirty
• 6:12:05
  rotten, rat cock sucking fucking politician that's out there
• 6:12:08
  right now to get Charlie back. Every fucking one of you.
• 6:12:12
  I'd trade every judge, every lawyer, every fucking parole
• 6:12:18
  officer, probation officer, defense attorney.
• 6:12:22
  I'd I'd trade you all. All of you.
• 6:12:24
  Every politician, senator, congressman, every fucking one
• 6:12:28
  of you. I'd trade every fucking one of
• 6:12:30
  you to get Charlie back. I would, really, I would in a
• 6:12:33
  heartbeat. If there's a button in front of
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  me right now that I could push, I would push it right this
• 6:12:38
  second and deal with the consequences on judgement day.
• 6:12:44
  Horrible. And then we have to suffer
• 6:12:48
  through the death worshipping liberals, gloating over it,
• 6:12:57
  showing the pure deep level of evil that they have, and also
• 6:13:02
  showing the ineptitude and lack of work of any benefit we have
• 6:13:07
  done as the quote UN quote church in this country.
• 6:13:15
  That where is the savor of the salt?
• 6:13:18
  Where is the light? Is it under the basket?
• 6:13:23
  What good is American Christianity when this is the
• 6:13:26
  milieu of the culture? What, what good of it?
• 6:13:29
  Can you not see it? Is it, is it fucking invisible?
• 6:13:33
  Can we look? Can we look at the debauch
• 6:13:35
  deviance and the constant regression and abandonment of,
• 6:13:39
  of any semblance of real anchored, objective morality and
• 6:13:43
  think what you're doing good? You're, you're practicing
• 6:13:47
  Christianity properly while you watch the world burn around you
• 6:13:53
  will be peaceable with all men. Well, I think most Christians
• 6:13:56
  believe be peaceable with all men to believe, to mean condone
• 6:13:59
  evil, condone and support evil, allow people to do evil.
• 6:14:04
  That's what many of them seem to do.
• 6:14:06
  And that's fine, right? Because we have, you know,
• 6:14:08
  everyone can basically be their own Pope.
• 6:14:09
  Anyone can interpret scripture any way they want.
• 6:14:11
  We don't need any grounding or truth.
• 6:14:14
  And even the people we would look at for grounding our truth
• 6:14:16
  are all fucked too. So what do we do?
• 6:14:19
  Where are we even supposed to go?
• 6:14:20
  Lean. Not on your own understanding.
• 6:14:21
  OK, well, lean what? Lean where, what building, what
• 6:14:25
  person, what pastor, what teacher, what scholar, what
• 6:14:30
  friend, even what Christian, what you know, you know the
• 6:14:37
  fucking irony. Let me tell you really, the
• 6:14:39
  irony. And fro wasn't wrong.
• 6:14:41
  You know, when I, when I did my first cycle around this, you
• 6:14:44
  know, on YouTube, you know, every one of the fucking
• 6:14:48
  Christians that had supported me said I was a great debater, that
• 6:14:51
  they were going to help me get more.
• 6:14:53
  That was a powerful work for defending the Christian faith
• 6:14:56
  and, and the Holy Spirit was really working in me.
• 6:14:59
  And every single one of them stabbed me in the back.
• 6:15:02
  Every single one. Well, except Jill and Beckel,
• 6:15:04
  you know, they didn't, they didn't.
• 6:15:06
  Beckel was very fair in his critique and still with Jill
• 6:15:10
  and, and, and they took a slightly different view and
• 6:15:12
  that's fine. But both of them were extremely
• 6:15:14
  fair and I commend them for that.
• 6:15:16
  They showed a semblance of real, true, genuine Christian ethics
• 6:15:19
  in their judgement that way. If I had, if I had good reason
• 6:15:22
  to think anyone and this community showed any sign of
• 6:15:25
  sanctification, definitely be the two of them.
• 6:15:26
  I'll tell you that much. But I don't even know.
• 6:15:30
  I don't even know about that because I don't even necessarily
• 6:15:32
  really believe in Calvinism, certainly not the way that they
• 6:15:35
  hold to and does. I mean, I'm unsaved.
• 6:15:37
  Does that mean that that's the core part of my doctrine that I
• 6:15:40
  need to accept before I can really get on the right pack?
• 6:15:43
  I don't. I don't know.
• 6:15:43
  Well, ultimately God has to regenerate me in order to
• 6:15:46
  believe that anyway. So I guess we'll just wait and
• 6:15:48
  see whether or not that happens and whether or not I get argued
• 6:15:52
  into a state where God finally sends a regenerative spirit
• 6:15:54
  towards me to bring me back to the position where I can finally
• 6:15:57
  actually believe, I guess, Or something like that.
• 6:16:00
  I don't know. I guess, I guess depends which
• 6:16:02
  of these viewpoints is actually genuinely true.
• 6:16:05
  Nonetheless, I digress. I'm, I'm just, I'm just tired of
• 6:16:11
  it in terms of the stacking effect, to be honest.
• 6:16:14
  And it has been stacking for a hot minute and it does not end,
• 6:16:18
  you know, at the very least, it's amazing to see that even
• 6:16:21
  many of these Christians that might even know what's right or
• 6:16:24
  wrong are still trying to, you know, take a somewhat neutral
• 6:16:27
  stance to it, which which, you know, I never really did when my
• 6:16:30
  friends were under attack. I was always quick to want to,
• 6:16:34
  you know, throw myself on the Gray grenade or try to, you
• 6:16:36
  know, take the Flack and you know, try to make myself the
• 6:16:39
  targets that they weren't picked on.
• 6:16:40
  I did it with logical, plausible, probable with
• 6:16:43
  Dillahunty. I did it with Raw, Matt and
• 6:16:46
  Standing for Truth when they were being attacked by the
• 6:16:48
  atheist or with the papers that they were publishing.
• 6:16:51
  I've done it for a lot of people.
• 6:16:53
  I've filmed myself on landmines plenty of times.
• 6:16:56
  I've sacrificed the chance to have debates that I actually
• 6:16:58
  wanted to have because I was jumping out to defend my
• 6:17:01
  friends. And then when it came time for
• 6:17:05
  any defense of me, no, they were there to just stab me in the
• 6:17:08
  back along with everyone else. And, and all of this happened
• 6:17:12
  during all of this time, all completely throwing me under the
• 6:17:15
  bus and abandoning me. And it was it.
• 6:17:20
  And it was a really like sheer kind of shock to me to see so
• 6:17:24
  much immoral and righteous judgement manifest around me.
• 6:17:29
  But I kept my resolve. I did everything I could to stay
• 6:17:34
  strong. But you know what, aside from
• 6:17:36
  Jill and Beckel, of course, that, you know, showed their
• 6:17:38
  virtue. There really was, you know,
• 6:17:41
  amongst our group, someone in particular that showed an
• 6:17:44
  incredible above board jumping to my defense and befriending me
• 6:17:51
  in a really deep, intrinsic way. And that is Will Kincaid, The
• 6:17:55
  Dirty, The Dirty, dirty Jew, the guy that wasn't even Christian
• 6:17:59
  at the time showed more virtue, support, love, consideration,
• 6:18:06
  you know, then the entirety of the rest of the Christian
• 6:18:09
  community combined. And I think that was an
• 6:18:12
  incredible 1 of the incredible testimonies of this whole thing
• 6:18:17
  is where I'm kind of going down this path, having to reassess
• 6:18:19
  and look back at all this, this, you know, you got to understand
• 6:18:25
  what a shame that is to so many of these Christians on the
• 6:18:28
  Internet could claim to be standing in virtue and
• 6:18:30
  righteousness. You know, it was will this dirty
• 6:18:34
  Christ hating Jew that would tell jokes about Christ being
• 6:18:38
  dead. In fact, I don't know if you
• 6:18:39
  guys remember it, but will Kincaid, I still have this
• 6:18:43
  banner in here. I think, did I or did I get rid
• 6:18:45
  of it? Yep, here this one.
• 6:18:49
  See this, the reason I created this banner where it says
• 6:18:52
  disclaimer, Jesus is alive because Will used to come in and
• 6:18:56
  he would make a joke and he would say, you know, like
• 6:18:59
  something like, well, that's deader than Jesus.
• 6:19:03
  You know, as if to say like, well, Jesus never rose from the
• 6:19:05
  dead because he's a Jew and you know, so Christ is still dead.
• 6:19:08
  So he'd make a comparison, say like that thing's deader than
• 6:19:11
  Jesus, you know, like the car, the car broke down, that thing's
• 6:19:14
  deader than Jesus. He'd make that comment.
• 6:19:16
  And so I actually created this banner that every time he would
• 6:19:19
  say it, I would pop that up on screen for everyone to see so
• 6:19:23
  that they at least knew I was affirming from my perspective
• 6:19:26
  that Jesus was now. Now he's changed it.
• 6:19:31
  Now he says deader than Jesus on Good Friday because he does
• 6:19:34
  believe Jesus rose from the dead.
• 6:19:37
  So at least I guess we can consider that.
• 6:19:38
  Baby steps for him, I suppose. Will and I had a talk earlier
• 6:19:43
  today and he gets where I'm coming from.
• 6:19:47
  And thus we had a pretty deep talk about it.
• 6:19:51
  And he supports me. Even still, I know he doesn't
• 6:19:54
  completely agree with me on all of this, and that's fine.
• 6:19:58
  I don't really expected anyone would.
• 6:20:00
  Honestly, it didn't really matter to me.
• 6:20:03
  But this is just where I'm at with it.
• 6:20:06
  And I mean, by the way, don't don't think that like Isaac is
• 6:20:12
  the sole reason for this. Isaac is a flea on top of the
• 6:20:17
  straw. Hay, which is the last straw on
• 6:20:19
  the camel's back, is really, really what it boils down to.
• 6:20:23
  There's a lot of stuff that stacks up.
• 6:20:26
  Over time and I have operated in a very unique way with my faith
• 6:20:31
  with unique perspectives and I do look at things differently
• 6:20:34
  than others and some some would argue this made me a very, very
• 6:20:38
  competent apologist and debater. However, it also does open me up
• 6:20:45
  to lots of attack and puts me in a position where I have to
• 6:20:49
  navigate pretty deep waters, you know, to want to defend the
• 6:20:53
  faith and some of these things even I struggle to reconcile at
• 6:20:57
  different, you know, places in my life and really all these
• 6:21:02
  things. Certainly I believed I had had
• 6:21:03
  good, good justifications to reconcile before.
• 6:21:07
  But honestly within the last week I think I've really started
• 6:21:10
  to reconsider and and look at it once again the absolute complete
• 6:21:14
  and utter horrific, you know, nightmare mess that has happened
• 6:21:19
  around this dumb degenerate cockroach piece of shit spider
• 6:21:23
  finally going exactly where the fuck he belongs.
• 6:21:27
  And the amount of division and attack and blame and just a
• 6:21:31
  venom that has flowed out of this scum rat finally going to
• 6:21:37
  where he can no longer be a danger or harm to other people.
• 6:21:40
  And it's just been an opportunistic grab to throw
• 6:21:43
  blame and attack fellow fucking believers.
• 6:21:48
  And it's disgusted me that the display, I mean, I can
• 6:21:51
  understand an emotional fray and maybe a reaction at once.
• 6:21:56
  And then you reason with your brothers and sisters and you
• 6:21:59
  reconsider it, and you listen to what they have to say, and you
• 6:22:02
  find some sort of, you know, meeting in the middle and things
• 6:22:06
  make sense again and everyone can kind of just move on.
• 6:22:09
  No, there's been none of that. There's been none of that.
• 6:22:12
  There's been a wacko nut job, a couple of treacherous rats, and
• 6:22:17
  then a few other loud haters that are all just jumping into
• 6:22:21
  the fray to attempt to needle at me over something that I don't
• 6:22:26
  even know. Can't even get a good
• 6:22:28
  justification as why any of spiders bullshit is my fault at
• 6:22:31
  all, but they'll come up with some concoction.
• 6:22:33
  I was supposed to be there. I was supposed to kick him out.
• 6:22:37
  Dave was supposed to kick him out.
• 6:22:39
  Ryan was supposed to not call for this one crime that spiders
• 6:22:43
  done for like the 50th fucking time in this community.
• 6:22:46
  And whatever reason, you know there's someone to blame other
• 6:22:50
  than Spider himself. So that's, that's the virtue.
• 6:22:58
  And and what am I going to look? Am I going to look at the
• 6:23:00
  atheist for virtue? Of course not.
• 6:23:02
  They're fucking clowns too. So where do I look exactly?
• 6:23:05
  Sure. Shit ain't Christianity, ain't
• 6:23:08
  Islam, ain't Buddha, ain't that fucking that Tao Dao shit.
• 6:23:13
  Dumb fucking existential vague rhetorical garbage.
• 6:23:20
  No where is it? And I don't know.
• 6:23:23
  And we all have to figure out for ourselves.
• 6:23:24
  We all disagree with each other. How do we even know we disagree
• 6:23:29
  with each other on our intrinsic, necessary or
• 6:23:31
  peripheral who? How do we even know?
• 6:23:35
  You know, dude, I think it's interesting a lot of things
• 6:23:39
  you've said because even though I'm not against Christianity,
• 6:23:44
  the things you've said about like American Christianity and a
• 6:23:47
  lot of the ways that many Christians act, I actually feel
• 6:23:50
  exactly the same way, man. Because there are a lot of
• 6:23:53
  people out there that that claim to be Christians, but yet, like
• 6:23:57
  you said, they they spit on people, they spit false
• 6:24:01
  accusations and they just don't care.
• 6:24:05
  It's like that's one of those type of people who claims to be
• 6:24:08
  a Christian, and I believe Jesus is going to say to them to
• 6:24:12
  depart from me. I never knew you.
• 6:24:14
  And of course, this is like, you know, we've all had
• 6:24:18
  transformation as well. I kind of embraced the form of
• 6:24:21
  open theism eventually because I could no longer reconcile the
• 6:24:25
  idea of an exhaustive closed future with God's with man's
• 6:24:30
  free will and such. But you know, some people
• 6:24:33
  started calling me a heretic after I did that, and it's like,
• 6:24:37
  well, it was never. I also would have called you a
• 6:24:40
  heretic back in the day for that.
• 6:24:43
  Well, but The thing is, the reason why I say it's not, even
• 6:24:47
  if it's wrong, is because I used to think it was heresy until I
• 6:24:51
  realized I didn't actually understand what it taught.
• 6:24:55
  Because it never denies that God is omniscient.
• 6:24:59
  It just says that certain facts don't exist about the future,
• 6:25:03
  and because certain facts about the future don't exist, God
• 6:25:05
  can't therefore know it. And that's ridiculous, but OK,
• 6:25:09
  whatever. OK, We can disagree, you know.
• 6:25:13
  Oh, well, I mean, if you want to invalidate the possibility of
• 6:25:16
  middle knowledge of God having the capacity or the knowledge
• 6:25:20
  power in order to actually be able to process and perceive
• 6:25:23
  potential realities as well as the actual reality, I mean,
• 6:25:26
  that's, there's no contradiction there.
• 6:25:28
  There's no reason to necessarily lean into that.
• 6:25:32
  I mean God, it's it's better off allowing for the idea that God
• 6:25:36
  believes in possible realities rather than holding to the idea
• 6:25:41
  that he doesn't know any reality at all.
• 6:25:43
  Well, again, that's a bit of a misunderstanding.
• 6:25:47
  Also also an issue of the fact that all the fine tuning
• 6:25:50
  components that the the beginning of the creation of the
• 6:25:53
  universe would not make sense for someone that could not
• 6:25:56
  predict nor know how they would all interact with each other.
• 6:25:59
  In order to make sure that they are at the right constants
• 6:26:01
  comparable to each other. An open theist God would have to
• 6:26:04
  have a probably a million trials and errors, if not more to try
• 6:26:08
  and figure out the right, you know, formula of exactly what
• 6:26:12
  constant and how it reacts with others and how it needs to be
• 6:26:15
  planned out because you can't see the future to know how those
• 6:26:18
  interactions will manifest in a universe of atrophy.
• 6:26:20
  So OK, OK, I I get your point. I think open theism probably is
• 6:26:26
  some of the most philosophically incoherent course shit.
• 6:26:29
  I I'm not to not to offend you chaos, but I think it's
• 6:26:31
  generally A theology for very lazy thinking.
• 6:26:35
  Well, a little bit. Well, some offense taken, but I
• 6:26:38
  appreciate. So I'm just being real, dude, a
• 6:26:41
  little bit of offense taken because I don't think it is
• 6:26:44
  philosophically lazy. If you want to say it's wrong,
• 6:26:46
  that's fine, dude, but come on, I'm trying to be calm here.
• 6:26:50
  No, I do think it's wrong and I do think it's like some of these
• 6:26:54
  and especially like a fatalistic worldview.
• 6:26:56
  It's a very easy, you know, 1, you know, one thing kind of all
• 6:27:02
  encompasses and catches all. And it's a very simple way to
• 6:27:05
  explain just about everything. And I think open theism is
• 6:27:08
  basically the same thing, but while still affirming the
• 6:27:13
  presence of free will, in fact, making free will itself supreme,
• 6:27:17
  even above God himself. So you have the ability to know
• 6:27:19
  or predict accurate in the future.
• 6:27:23
  So, OK, but anyways, we're getting off topic.
• 6:27:26
  The point I'm trying to make here, man, is that, you know, I
• 6:27:29
  know you're probably having a hard time right now.
• 6:27:30
  And I don't blame you, you know, because I don't still, I still
• 6:27:33
  don't know all the details about what's been going on with Spider
• 6:27:36
  and you know, everything you've been ranting and raving about,
• 6:27:39
  which, you know, I'm not going to pretend to know all the
• 6:27:41
  details. But I can tell you've been
• 6:27:44
  through a lot lately. And that's why, you know, I'm
• 6:27:45
  not here to condemn. Even though kind of like Beckel
• 6:27:49
  and Jill, you know, we may not necessarily like what's going
• 6:27:51
  on, but we're not here to condemn.
• 6:27:53
  We understand how hard it is because I remember what it was
• 6:27:55
  like when my best friend Kunal died.
• 6:27:57
  All he ever wanted to do was help people and he is the one
• 6:27:59
  who freaking gets blood cancer and not someone like Travis
• 6:28:04
  Scott who kills kids at concerts.
• 6:28:07
  So I get it, man. It's hard.
• 6:28:09
  And I understand your pain. And that's why I like, I'm not
• 6:28:13
  trying to convince you. I'm not going to make an
• 6:28:14
  argument tonight. I understand right now you're
• 6:28:17
  kind of just, you know, you're hurt, you're devastated, you're
• 6:28:21
  emotionally devastated and I don't blame you.
• 6:28:24
  I don't even know. I'll be honest with you.
• 6:28:26
  I don't even know when I'll stream after this.
• 6:28:29
  It might be a day, it might be a week, it might be a month, I
• 6:28:32
  don't even know. But I'm doing this now to get
• 6:28:35
  this out, to do my venting, to let you all know where I'm at,
• 6:28:40
  lest you not, you know, know, and I just disappeared.
• 6:28:43
  You don't know what's going on, think I'm dead in the ditch
• 6:28:45
  somewhere. So I'm not letting you know, you
• 6:28:48
  know, all of you where I'm at with it.
• 6:28:51
  You know, if you want to pray to whatever God you think you serve
• 6:28:55
  or think exists, by all means, go right ahead.
• 6:28:59
  I won't request it. I'm not going to put necessarily
• 6:29:03
  a whole lot of faith in it myself at this point.
• 6:29:06
  To be honest. I, I don't know, honestly, at
• 6:29:09
  some level in my life, I'm not even entirely sure if I can
• 6:29:13
  practically give any credible benefit to prayer that much
• 6:29:18
  right now. Maybe I'm just not in the right
• 6:29:20
  headspace, I'm not entirely sure.
• 6:29:23
  But if you want to extend it and there's any possible value, I
• 6:29:28
  won't reject it. By all means, go ahead and pray
• 6:29:31
  for me, but I just don't want to at the very least really
• 6:29:37
  participate in this title. I understand anymore.
• 6:29:41
  I'm tired of Christians coming over here and telling me, you
• 6:29:45
  know, and usually it's just the dumbest and the most uneducated
• 6:29:48
  ones too. And they come over here and
• 6:29:50
  they're going to tell me how to do things and what to say and
• 6:29:52
  how to talk and how to communicate.
• 6:29:54
  I mean, who are you? You know, I totally get it, bro.
• 6:29:58
  Like who? Like, I mean, really like, who
• 6:30:00
  are these people? They're going to come and
• 6:30:03
  dictate to me. They don't have the ability to
• 6:30:06
  build their own platform. You know, they don't have the
• 6:30:09
  ability to do anything that anyone wants to latch on to or
• 6:30:12
  listen to. But then they're going to come
• 6:30:14
  over here and try and shape me to be as boring and
• 6:30:19
  uninteresting and ineffective as them.
• 6:30:21
  You know, where is the where is the ethic or the utility in
• 6:30:27
  that, in that, right? I understand and I totally get
• 6:30:31
  it, man. I've gone through those same
• 6:30:33
  trials myself, dude. I've gone through a lot of
• 6:30:36
  things. You know, my best friend who
• 6:30:38
  died, he was the guy who originally made the
• 6:30:40
  instrumentals for my music. Because I recently had to decide
• 6:30:44
  between apologetics and music. And for now, I've decided to do
• 6:30:47
  apologetics because, well, it just seems like what I'm best at
• 6:30:50
  because if I'm being completely honest, after my best friend
• 6:30:53
  died, it just hasn't been the same since.
• 6:30:56
  And so I understand man, you're going through a lot and just
• 6:31:01
  know this dude, God is not going to, you know, I know you don't
• 6:31:07
  believe right now. I don't know if it's because
• 6:31:09
  you, I'm sure it's probably a mix of emotional reasons and I'm
• 6:31:13
  sure it's maybe a few intellectual as well.
• 6:31:16
  I'm not going to pretend. I'm not going to psychoanalyze
• 6:31:19
  everything me pulling, but I, I assure you, chaos me pulling
• 6:31:24
  back to this point is trying to avoid any emotional decisions
• 6:31:28
  about belief right now. In fact, I'm trying very hard to
• 6:31:32
  make sure that that is the one thing that doesn't happen.
• 6:31:37
  I if there is any way that I have been fucking wrong this
• 6:31:42
  entire time, one way or the other, whether atheism, deism,
• 6:31:45
  theism, you know, Christianity, what whatever I want to, I want
• 6:31:51
  to take a step back. I want to reconsider.
• 6:31:55
  I want to reassess and make sure that I haven't been just
• 6:31:59
  operating with because I want to believe it or because I was
• 6:32:04
  raised in it and it's familiar to me or it's sentimental or I
• 6:32:08
  don't want any piece of an emotional contacts to making me
• 6:32:14
  or leading me to decide what I believe.
• 6:32:16
  I want to take a step back and for as limited capacity as
• 6:32:21
  whatever I can as a subjective agent, try to think about all of
• 6:32:25
  this and my belief subjectively and and consider if I've gotten
• 6:32:29
  all this shit wrong again. Sure.
• 6:32:32
  And that's OK because it's OK. Take a step back.
• 6:32:35
  I mean, sometimes people have to take a step back because I've
• 6:32:39
  certainly had to do it before because there are plenty of
• 6:32:42
  things that I've reconsidered, you know, some because like, I
• 6:32:46
  used to be a free gracer, as you know, and I still haven't told
• 6:32:49
  my brother yet. My my parents know my brother
• 6:32:52
  hasn't because, you know, I love my brother.
• 6:32:54
  But I admit there are times when he's a little bit too rigid in
• 6:32:57
  what he says because he's a King James Onlyist and, and I
• 6:33:02
  definitely think that's got a lot of problems.
• 6:33:03
  And one time I kind of had to get mad at him a little bit
• 6:33:06
  because I told him about early Christians and why I read them
• 6:33:10
  and such. And I say personally, well, do I
• 6:33:13
  agree with everything they say? Well, no, of course not.
• 6:33:16
  I don't agree with Tertullian on everything he says.
• 6:33:18
  I don't agree with Reneece on everything he says.
• 6:33:20
  I don't agree with Ignatius on everything he says.
• 6:33:24
  But ultimately, by the way, so you know, that was one of the
• 6:33:28
  things I had fro not wanted to go and eat dinner.
• 6:33:32
  That was actually along the vein of the very next thing I was
• 6:33:35
  going to present, because they they give you that fucking
• 6:33:38
  rotten Canon argument. You know the Canon argument like
• 6:33:41
  you're supposed to believe. You know the Canon was composed
• 6:33:45
  infallibly. Because if you believe you have
• 6:33:47
  the infallible scripture, the infallible word of God, then you
• 6:33:49
  have to believe it was infallibly composed as well.
• 6:33:53
  Which means the teachers, all the teachers were infallibly
• 6:33:58
  inspired to compose the correct Canon.
• 6:34:02
  Which, and it it, it's a perverse way for them to put it,
• 6:34:04
  because then they have to explain why all the people that
• 6:34:08
  worked to compose the Canon were all inspired to correctly
• 6:34:11
  compose the Canon infallibly, but not correctly inspired
• 6:34:15
  infallibly to have consensus on doctrine.
• 6:34:17
  I have to explain that away if they want to try to use that
• 6:34:21
  argument again. This is one of those things that
• 6:34:23
  at my level now, I can just leave it at that and say
• 6:34:27
  Christianity is horseshit and there's another example for you
• 6:34:29
  and you guys can chew on that. I got a billion of them.
• 6:34:32
  I promise you guys. I got a fucking warehouse.
• 6:34:35
  I got a silo the size a fucking Mount Everest back here of anti
• 6:34:40
  Christian arguments that I keep ready primed for when an attack
• 6:34:44
  comes to the faith or to my brothers or there's some sort of
• 6:34:48
  challenge. And I've studied and put a lot
• 6:34:50
  of effort into building this salvo.
• 6:34:52
  And it's just as effective against Christians if I don't
• 6:34:56
  hand out the defeaters as I've built these things, you know,
• 6:34:59
  and dealt with them in my own life and dealt with them in my
• 6:35:02
  own faith and my own walk. And some of these things they
• 6:35:04
  don't put out there because even I think that the defeaters that
• 6:35:08
  exist for them aren't necessarily really all that
• 6:35:10
  convincing and could potentially ship break a young baby
• 6:35:14
  Christian's faith. And they're probably not ready
• 6:35:16
  to really consider it at that level of depth.
• 6:35:19
  That's fine. I, I tried, I have tried to be
• 6:35:21
  responsible with my channel and consider people where where they
• 6:35:24
  are AT. And at this stage, I'm just
• 6:35:28
  absolutely beyond frustrated with the nonsense.
• 6:35:33
  Bond. Do you not have a wrench?
• 6:35:36
  How did that happen? I thought I gave you one.
• 6:35:38
  How did you lose a wrench? Talk to Brandon one minute.
• 6:35:43
  Bond. Is that actually you?
• 6:35:45
  I think that is Bond. Seems like it doesn't have an
• 6:35:49
  icon, though. The way he talks seems like
• 6:35:53
  Bond. Sorry.
• 6:35:55
  The problem is Bond. I'll, I'll it Bond.
• 6:35:58
  I'll give you a wrench right now.
• 6:35:59
  I think that is you. I'll give you a wrench.
• 6:36:03
  Sorry. My bad.
• 6:36:05
  Like I said, no matter what's going on, man, whether you
• 6:36:09
  stream tomorrow or you don't stream for a week or a month or
• 6:36:12
  whatever, man, if you need to talk, talk to me, man.
• 6:36:14
  Because I understand what it's like to have a hard time.
• 6:36:17
  I understand how what it is like to be frustrated.
• 6:36:21
  I'm not going to claim to understand exactly what you're
• 6:36:23
  going through with the situation you're in, but I also understand
• 6:36:28
  what it's like to be defamed. I almost lost my job for
• 6:36:31
  something I did not do because somebody lied about me and I was
• 6:36:36
  scared to death. I had never been that angry in
• 6:36:39
  my life. I thought I was going to lose my
• 6:36:40
  job and I thought I was going to never find work again unless my
• 6:36:44
  dad gave me a job at his company.
• 6:36:46
  So I understand man. If you need anything, I'm here
• 6:36:50
  for you. Well, I, I do appreciate that
• 6:36:54
  very much. Chaos, and it is just one of
• 6:36:59
  those things I will have to navigate.
• 6:37:01
  I, I'm sure there's many of you out there that might have a
• 6:37:05
  sense of fervor and desire to change my mind or try and work
• 6:37:09
  me back or give me arguments. I, I, I generally would assure
• 6:37:15
  that most of you don't have the chops.
• 6:37:18
  Some of you might, but probably most of you don't have the chops
• 6:37:20
  to do any convincing to me whatsoever, really even to
• 6:37:24
  contend with me in a debate or conversation and any type of
• 6:37:28
  contacts. But some of you might, I mean,
• 6:37:30
  some of you might have one of the and I don't know, I guess
• 6:37:32
  you'll just wait and see and I guess you'll just see if you
• 6:37:36
  know, the Holy Spirit can work on one of you to give you the
• 6:37:39
  right equipment or something to get me on to whatever you think
• 6:37:43
  is the right track, or if there even is 1.
• 6:37:47
  But as of right now, I am definitely taking a step back
• 6:37:51
  from any type of affirmation to Christianity whatsoever.
• 6:37:56
  I don't want to be a part of you people.
• 6:37:59
  I don't want to carry the same label as you.
• 6:38:01
  I don't want to be identified in your group.
• 6:38:05
  I don't want anyone to point at me and say Christian guy or
• 6:38:09
  apologist. I'll deny it.
• 6:38:11
  It's just not who I am right now.
• 6:38:14
  I'm taking a step back from all of this shit.
• 6:38:17
  It doesn't mean I'm necessarily atheist and certainly sure as
• 6:38:20
  hell doesn't mean I like the atheist because I don't.
• 6:38:22
  I think you're all disgusting fucking people.
• 6:38:24
  And that has not changed. So, so, but I don't know where
• 6:38:29
  I'm at generally personally on this And I, I am at a Nexus
• 6:38:35
  point of just kind of AI don't know some sort of purgatory, I
• 6:38:41
  guess some sort of middle ground, you know, some sort of
• 6:38:44
  Gray area where I'm just, I'm, I'm just, I'm not entirely
• 6:38:48
  convinced by Christianity right now, I'll tell you that much,
• 6:38:51
  but I'm not necessarily completely convinced against it
• 6:38:55
  either. But I am definitely challenging
• 6:38:58
  with believing the, the real potential possibility of the
• 6:39:01
  actual Christian God as most people present and certainly as
• 6:39:04
  I have tended to believe. So I don't know where this is
• 6:39:08
  ultimately going to go here, but I do know I'm I'm sick of these
• 6:39:12
  people that claim Christ and do all of this disgusting,
• 6:39:16
  slanderous, lying, silencing, censoring horseshit.
• 6:39:20
  I've had my feel of it. I don't want any part of them
• 6:39:24
  and I don't want part of the people that want to associate
• 6:39:27
  with them and call them brothers and validate them and that type
• 6:39:29
  of stuff. I just, I got no need for any of
• 6:39:31
  it. I really don't honestly, I
• 6:39:33
  could, I could do a lot better without that shit.
• 6:39:36
  You know, I got a I'm supposedly like supposed to have some sort
• 6:39:40
  of virtue and hang around these people, let them constantly stab
• 6:39:43
  me in the back and then forgive them, stab me in the back,
• 6:39:45
  forgive them. I would just go through this
• 6:39:47
  dance like over and over again. Why not?
• 6:39:49
  I just cut to the chase, cut myself out of the pain and
• 6:39:52
  misery and just cut them out of my lives all together and just
• 6:39:55
  not have anything to do with them at all.
• 6:39:57
  I just not give a shit about their souls or whether they
• 6:39:59
  listen to me or not or want to engage with me or not or can
• 6:40:02
  learn anything from me or not and just.
• 6:40:04
  Move on with my life and say literally to hell with them.
• 6:40:06
  I mean, I could just do that and not have to worry about the
• 6:40:10
  difficulty, pain, backstabbing, betrayal, lies, slander and
• 6:40:14
  bullshit that comes from trying to help these fucking people.
• 6:40:17
  I totally get it on my own, you know?
• 6:40:20
  I know it's like it's hard and but in the end, we also can't
• 6:40:23
  forget, you know, you're right. You know, it's good to try and
• 6:40:27
  help people when you can, but there are times where you do
• 6:40:29
  have to walk away. Like you said, sometimes there
• 6:40:32
  are instances where but it also says do not cast your pearls
• 6:40:35
  before swan and do not well, I want to walk away from
• 6:40:39
  Christianity and everyone that holds a label to it.
• 6:40:42
  It doesn't mean I hate you. It doesn't mean I have ire
• 6:40:44
  towards you. It doesn't mean I think even
• 6:40:45
  that you're necessarily a bad person because you got I think
• 6:40:48
  there's lots of people who call themselves Christian.
• 6:40:50
  As I already said, Jill and Beckel and certainly several
• 6:40:52
  others people in the cult basement dweller and others will
• 6:40:55
  Kincaid that have shown incredible virtue.
• 6:40:57
  My wife, my God, my wife my my absolute gem of a wife.
• 6:41:03
  I assure you, as much as she is a younger Christian, recently
• 6:41:09
  converted this year, I assure you my wife is a better
• 6:41:12
  Christian than I could ever hope to be.
• 6:41:13
  I mean, she even in the side chat, she is in there breaking
• 6:41:17
  my heart, still offering to want to help and talk to Isaac and
• 6:41:23
  others that have thrown her under the bus and attacked her.
• 6:41:26
  And she's still over there willing to be kind and heartfelt
• 6:41:30
  and forgiving and sincere. And it just breaks my heart
• 6:41:33
  because you're all so fucking awful to her and it makes me
• 6:41:35
  fucking hate you. I know that.
• 6:41:37
  Fucking hate you all so fucking much right now.
• 6:41:40
  Yeah, well, I had a fucking one of you.
• 6:41:43
  I had to walk away from someone recently too man, because I love
• 6:41:46
  my family and I love my immediate family, but they like,
• 6:41:49
  they keep doing something similar with our extended family
• 6:41:52
  despite the fact that they keep causing a bunch of fucking
• 6:41:55
  drama. I tell them over and over, you
• 6:41:58
  know, like I tell them to think about this question, you know?
• 6:42:00
  I understand wanting to be a light of Christ and I understand
• 6:42:03
  wanting to help them, but think about this and I want to think
• 6:42:06
  long and hard about this. What can we possibly do for them
• 6:42:10
  that we have not already tried? And they can't give me an
• 6:42:13
  answer? And it's like, well then that
• 6:42:15
  should be your answer as to whether or not we should even
• 6:42:18
  associate with them at this rate.
• 6:42:20
  Because if you can't answer that simple question, then that means
• 6:42:25
  we've done everything we possibly can.
• 6:42:28
  And if we've done everything we possibly can and it's still not
• 6:42:30
  getting better, then we need to stop.
• 6:42:33
  We need to just let them work their own shit out and try to do
• 6:42:37
  the best we can to pray for them.
• 6:42:39
  Even Jesus said sometimes you have to brush the sand off your
• 6:42:42
  sandals and keep walking. Some people don't care, some
• 6:42:47
  people don't listen, and they ain't going to listen.
• 6:42:53
  Amen. And I'm just, I know I don't
• 6:42:57
  blame you for needing to take a step back, man.
• 6:42:58
  I'm just, like I said, you know, if you ever want to talk or if
• 6:43:02
  you ever want to say something, just message me on Facebook or
• 6:43:04
  Discord, man. I'm here for you.
• 6:43:06
  Yeah, I appreciate it, buddy. Thank you.
• 6:43:10
  Yeah. I actually thought this was an
• 6:43:14
  attack on the Free Grace community.
• 6:43:18
  Well, it is. I read in the way it is.
• 6:43:24
  I person. I personally don't mind if you
• 6:43:26
  leave that Christ or froze Christ, his version of
• 6:43:33
  Christianity. I personally don't don't really
• 6:43:36
  care, but my my pastor, I I got I got to step out.
• 6:43:41
  So I'll just say this and I'll I'll step out.
• 6:43:44
  You stopping by. By the way, Jill, I'm just good
• 6:43:46
  to see you. Yeah, my pastor said this to me
• 6:43:49
  if a number of years ago and it stuck with me and it helped me
• 6:43:53
  throughout my Christian walk. He said, he said this.
• 6:43:56
  He said, so your greatest victory as a Christian will be
• 6:44:02
  over people. That will be your greatest
• 6:44:06
  victory that that God will will bless bestow upon you if you
• 6:44:09
  will so that So once you once you conquer that mountain, then
• 6:44:16
  you know that I guess, I guess he was saying then the the ride
• 6:44:21
  is a lot smooth. So once you get over people and
• 6:44:26
  how they behave and how people behave and how they treat you
• 6:44:30
  back, I guess that'll be your greatest, greatest victory in in
• 6:44:40
  this walk. So the walk, the Christian walk
• 6:44:42
  is not always a smooth ride. Sometimes it's bumpy, sometimes
• 6:44:49
  it's a roller coaster ride. You know, there's peaks and
• 6:44:52
  valleys and and lows and highs. And so, but that that's what I
• 6:44:58
  would say to this, you know, if you are genuinely thinking about
• 6:45:03
  walking away from, I know you're upset.
• 6:45:05
  To me, it sounds like it's a problem with Christians, not
• 6:45:10
  necessarily the faith. So, you know, that's, that's
• 6:45:15
  what I would say. I would say I appreciate that.
• 6:45:18
  I do have one more question for you before you go.
• 6:45:22
  I was saying earlier that I'd trade basically the entirety of
• 6:45:25
  the contents of Congress for Charlie Kirk's life.
• 6:45:29
  How much of Congress would you give up for Charlie Kirk's life?
• 6:45:36
  All of the GOP, not all of the Democrats for sure.
• 6:45:40
  I figured at least that much. Yeah, definitely all the
• 6:45:46
  Democrats. But there's some good men on the
• 6:45:49
  other side. Yeah, that's fair.
• 6:45:52
  Well, thank you for stopping by and your sentiments, and I'll
• 6:45:56
  appreciate any prayers or whatever.
• 6:45:57
  Jill, you know, I I've always seen you as a really good man,
• 6:46:01
  and you've not you've not changed my opinion about that.
• 6:46:04
  So I hold you in high esteem and respect.
• 6:46:07
  So thank you and thank you for being here and sharing.
• 6:46:09
  I do appreciate it. Oh, no problem.
• 6:46:11
  Thanks for having me. I'll see you next time.
• 6:46:13
  God bless. Take care, buddy.
• 6:46:15
  See you, Joe. All right.
• 6:46:21
  Well, what's up? I don't know if we've ever even
• 6:46:23
  talked before. No, not really.
• 6:46:26
  But I think from a new person's observation, I think it really
• 6:46:29
  stems from a place of jealousy. I think you're able to do a lot
• 6:46:33
  of things that these people wish they could do, and they just
• 6:46:35
  can't. And I think they're jealous and
• 6:46:37
  they want to control you because they wish they had this
• 6:46:41
  platform. Yeah.
• 6:46:45
  You know, I mean, there's probably some truth.
• 6:46:50
  I don't think that's the I don't think that's the end all be all.
• 6:46:53
  But I think a lot of it comes from jealousy.
• 6:46:55
  Well, and you know, part of my frustration with that Max,
• 6:46:58
  though, even if that is true, is the inability of the so-called
• 6:47:02
  sanctified believers following Christ, or so they claim by
• 6:47:05
  claiming the term Christian, which is what it means following
• 6:47:08
  Christ, follower of Christ or mini Christ, which is really
• 6:47:11
  what it meant essentially when it was created by Pagan, you
• 6:47:15
  know, Pagan peoples to basically insult Christianity.
• 6:47:19
  But initially in in Acts, it's kind of referred to in reference
• 6:47:23
  as these people that just happened to be a follower of
• 6:47:25
  Christ, of his teachings of saying who he was and what he
• 6:47:28
  did and all this other stuff. And, and it just doesn't mean
• 6:47:32
  what it used to mean. You know what I mean?
• 6:47:34
  And I have a frustration with the idea that there's all these
• 6:47:39
  people were supposedly believing sanctified believers, but this
• 6:47:44
  is the end result. Like there's no, where is where
• 6:47:47
  can I point to any of this? Where can I look to any of this
• 6:47:50
  and see some real, genuine, consistent, coherent, you know,
• 6:47:56
  type of work of the Holy Spirit with some sense of agreement on
• 6:48:02
  doctrine and morality? And I've seen so much, I mean,
• 6:48:05
  Christian objective morality is not that complicated to me.
• 6:48:10
  But seemingly when I talk about it with most quote UN quote
• 6:48:14
  Christians, I might as well be explaining calculus to a chimp.
• 6:48:18
  You know, it's, it's, and it gets frustrating because I know
• 6:48:23
  these people are walking around in this world claiming Christ,
• 6:48:26
  having bankrupt moral compasses and making judgements that way
• 6:48:29
  and harming people in the process.
• 6:48:31
  And is there accountability for them?
• 6:48:33
  I don't know. Maybe, maybe not.
• 6:48:36
  Maybe they're so fucking retarded.
• 6:48:38
  Maybe the bar is, you know, relatively high in terms of
• 6:48:42
  intellect before you earn actual judgement from God.
• 6:48:45
  I don't. I know I'm fucked.
• 6:48:47
  If there is a God, I'm definitely accountable, which is
• 6:48:51
  partly what makes me so fucking irritated.
• 6:48:54
  Well, the fact that you're fucking retards, it's easy on
• 6:48:56
  them. Like it's easy for like, say, I
• 6:48:59
  don't know, Daniel Mayo. Daniel Mayo's getting in no
• 6:49:03
  matter what. It doesn't matter what he
• 6:49:05
  believes. He's good.
• 6:49:06
  That's that's a straight up common grace situation.
• 6:49:09
  He's good. He's locked in.
• 6:49:12
  You know, he's being taken care of in this life.
• 6:49:14
  He doesn't think real deep or consider things real deep.
• 6:49:16
  But So what, man? He's happy and he's confident in
• 6:49:19
  his salvation. And it doesn't matter what he
• 6:49:21
  believes. He's good.
• 6:49:24
  Daniel, ignorance is, is bliss. Truth be told, the more
• 6:49:28
  knowledge you gain, the harder life becomes, you know?
• 6:49:32
  And I get this thing where there's so many of these people,
• 6:49:34
  they look at me and they're like, oh, I can handle it.
• 6:49:37
  Oh, Smokey's weak. What a fucking pussy.
• 6:49:39
  You know you motherfuckers try it.
• 6:49:41
  None of you can build anything that gets this type of
• 6:49:44
  attention, number one. And even if you could, let's see
• 6:49:47
  you deal with the needling and the attacks and the nonsense and
• 6:49:51
  the bullshit and the slander and the wives and let's see you deal
• 6:49:54
  with that. Not for a week or a month or a
• 6:49:57
  year, but but 6 odd plus fucking years.
• 6:50:01
  Let's have you deal with that and you tell me how you come out
• 6:50:05
  on the other side and you let me know how strong your faith is.
• 6:50:08
  And then then I'll hear some sort of critique from you about
• 6:50:12
  calling me a pussy and how hard it is.
• 6:50:15
  I have these worthless garbage people who don't accomplish
• 6:50:19
  shit, who aren't noticeable, who don't really get anything done
• 6:50:23
  that no one really fucking notices or cares much about.
• 6:50:26
  But they got every opinion in the world about me and they got
• 6:50:30
  every bit of condemnation for me.
• 6:50:32
  And they want to go to side chats and convince mods and
• 6:50:35
  people to not have me debate and to not platform me and not let
• 6:50:40
  me on. I've seen people literally I
• 6:50:43
  show up just to wave and chat to have one of the panelists openly
• 6:50:48
  just slander me and tell me to be blocked and not be allowed to
• 6:50:50
  contribute. Even happened the other day when
• 6:50:53
  I challenged that idiot Christian Pike to a debate on
• 6:50:56
  his moralizing over particular words being more right than
• 6:50:59
  others. I mean, they're just threatened
• 6:51:00
  by you. That's, that's just the nature
• 6:51:02
  of the beast. That's why just you saying a few
• 6:51:06
  words threatens their whole narrative and they don't want
• 6:51:08
  that. It's just cowardice and it's
• 6:51:11
  just it's just excuses and they run away.
• 6:51:15
  Yeah, exactly. And somehow they feel justified.
• 6:51:18
  I don't know how, but they do. So I mean, it's easy to justify
• 6:51:21
  everyone's behavior themselves, self confirming biases.
• 6:51:25
  It's very easy for them to do it because that's how their whole
• 6:51:29
  life is. They can never think that
• 6:51:31
  they're wrong. But I've witnessed you admit
• 6:51:34
  that you could be wrong, I could be wrong.
• 6:51:36
  Dash and admits he could be wrong.
• 6:51:37
  We all admit that we can be wrong, but for some reason that
• 6:51:41
  other side will not admit that they could be wrong.
• 6:51:45
  And that's a sickness that is. I agree, couldn't agree more.
• 6:51:50
  You know you'll never see me preach because I came to God
• 6:51:54
  through personal revelations and through very very hard times.
• 6:51:58
  I came to God through backstabbing.
• 6:52:00
  Actually. Some of the most important
• 6:52:01
  people in my life have backstabbed me countless times
• 6:52:05
  and yet for some reason, every single time that happens, I grow
• 6:52:08
  closer to God personally. That's why I will never try to
• 6:52:12
  convince anyone that my way of life is correct because unless
• 6:52:16
  you go through those times that you're going through that I've
• 6:52:19
  been through and they're very different, but the context is
• 6:52:22
  important in order to go through those times.
• 6:52:26
  You will never, never get closer to God because of faith.
• 6:52:30
  Unchallenged isn't a faith at all.
• 6:52:32
  It's just trust, blind trust. So I support you on this
• 6:52:36
  journey. Actually, I think that what
• 6:52:37
  you're doing and what you're choosing to do with this stream
• 6:52:40
  is very important. And I think it goes to show that
• 6:52:42
  a lot of people in this space need to humble themselves.
• 6:52:47
  They just won't do it. They refuse.
• 6:52:49
  Like, you know, actually I will say this, seeing Isaac come in
• 6:52:53
  here and apologize to you or attempt to apologize to you, I
• 6:52:59
  was very surprised to see that actually, I thought Isaac was
• 6:53:02
  going to be on the condemnation path forever.
• 6:53:07
  And isn't amazing that I'm so like cold.
• 6:53:10
  I didn't do this whole hand. I really didn't care and I still
• 6:53:13
  hated him just so much. And I don't typically do that.
• 6:53:17
  Like usually I'm willing to try and get benefit of the doubt and
• 6:53:20
  stuff like that, but I couldn't for the some reason the life of
• 6:53:23
  me. And it's not like Isaac is so
• 6:53:25
  important or harmful or anything or potent or anything to worry
• 6:53:30
  about. It's not even about all that.
• 6:53:32
  It's like, it's, it's about like, like seeing someone who is
• 6:53:36
  kind of in that state of like needing help and some bit of
• 6:53:40
  Christian virtue being shown to him.
• 6:53:43
  And you come along to do that and you try to, you know, even
• 6:53:47
  do it with a light hand and encourage him in the right kind
• 6:53:49
  of way. And he just doesn't want to, he
• 6:53:52
  doesn't want to take it. And then at a certain point,
• 6:53:55
  then he's all of a sudden he's attacking you after you've just
• 6:53:58
  tried to do whatever you can and dedicate all this time to help
• 6:54:02
  this person. And then it just turns into some
• 6:54:04
  form of backstabbing over over fucking spider.
• 6:54:10
  Like, I mean, she's so fucking stupid, like.
• 6:54:13
  And no, I don't know. I don't forgive him.
• 6:54:16
  And you know, only a Christian has an obligation to.
• 6:54:20
  And This is why I'm going to at least be honest.
• 6:54:23
  I can't call myself a Christian right now because fuck Isaac.
• 6:54:27
  I still fucking hate Isaac. I hope he's fucking miserable
• 6:54:30
  for the rest of his fucking life.
• 6:54:32
  Yeah, I gave up. Stick here and be like him and
• 6:54:36
  and contradict the faith but still claim to be a part of it.
• 6:54:39
  And I'll be honest with you, no, I I got some real deep disgust
• 6:54:44
  with a good number you fucks out here in this community.
• 6:54:48
  He won't admit it, but he hates you too.
• 6:54:50
  He won't admit it. That's well, I'm sure all I
• 6:54:52
  know. Of course he does.
• 6:54:53
  See. Look at the things he's not.
• 6:54:54
  Look at the things he said. Look how he's attacked my lovely
• 6:54:56
  wife, who has just been nothing but a Yeah, she's a great just
• 6:55:00
  about everyone in this whole community.
• 6:55:03
  Yeah. And I joined around the the
• 6:55:05
  spider controversy is when I started kind of showing up
• 6:55:08
  around here. So to to kind of come in at that
• 6:55:11
  time point, I've been called to be here for a very specific
• 6:55:14
  reason. I could not understand why until
• 6:55:16
  this stream until you started to like bare your heart, I guess
• 6:55:20
  you could say. And to see how everyone
• 6:55:24
  attempted to try to help you by telling you how wrong you are,
• 6:55:29
  it it's just amazing. Anyone thinks that they're going
• 6:55:33
  to convince you to come over to their side in a moment like this
• 6:55:37
  is ridiculous. That's why I said nothing.
• 6:55:40
  I've been there, I get it. Nothing.
• 6:55:41
  No one could have told me at my time period when I've been going
• 6:55:44
  through a lot of stuff like this.
• 6:55:46
  Nothing anyone can say was would change my mind.
• 6:55:48
  And the amount of people that tried to change my mind only
• 6:55:51
  made it worse. So that's why I told Isaac the
• 6:55:53
  best thing he could do if he genuinely wants to help the
• 6:55:55
  situation is to remove himself from the situation for a while.
• 6:55:59
  And then he left. I don't.
• 6:56:00
  I told him he didn't need to actually leave.
• 6:56:02
  Just don't focus on Smokey. You want to talk about
• 6:56:04
  something, Let's talk about your video games.
• 6:56:06
  You like, I like video games too.
• 6:56:07
  Let's talk about that. Let's let's talk about something
• 6:56:09
  other than Smokey. If you want to be around, you
• 6:56:11
  don't have to just keep condemning, condemning,
• 6:56:13
  condemning. And you know, that kind of
• 6:56:14
  reminds me. How many times did Jesus condemn
• 6:56:16
  people? A lot?
• 6:56:20
  No, I mean like physical people. That's what you mean by
• 6:56:28
  condemnation. You know, calling the Pharisees
• 6:56:30
  watch tombs, the foxes, the snakes, all the charred
• 6:56:34
  language. Your father is the devil.
• 6:56:36
  I don't tend to think of Jesus says your daddy is the devil,
• 6:56:39
  that you're probably saved. You know what I mean?
• 6:56:43
  Yeah. The point I was trying to make
• 6:56:44
  is Jesus didn't spend his life condemning people.
• 6:56:46
  He spent his life trying to save people.
• 6:56:48
  And it wasn't through. Well, no, that's true.
• 6:56:50
  Yeah, He, he came to. He came to not, you know, speak
• 6:56:53
  to the righteous or save the righteous, but to save the
• 6:56:55
  sinners and loss. So yeah, absolutely.
• 6:56:57
  No, I, I just, I hate this idea that all these Christians decide
• 6:57:01
  that they want to continue God's work in the worst way possible.
• 6:57:07
  It's just, it's fascinating. It's main character syndrome.
• 6:57:12
  All these little people think that they're the most important
• 6:57:14
  thing since Jesus, but they're just simply not.
• 6:57:18
  They need to humble themselves and I don't think they will.
• 6:57:22
  So, you know, I ditched the label Christian what, 6 years
• 6:57:26
  ago? But I haven't, you know, I'm
• 6:57:28
  still in the faith technically. That's why I asked people like
• 6:57:32
  to try to figure me out. Do you think I'm in the faith or
• 6:57:34
  not? And you know, if anyone goes to
• 6:57:37
  check out my shorts, I, I don't recommend you do that.
• 6:57:39
  I'm not trying to become popular, I'm not trying to get
• 6:57:41
  attention, I'm not trying to do anything like that.
• 6:57:43
  But I have a very good way of scaring away these type of
• 6:57:46
  Christians. People see the glowing eyes and
• 6:57:50
  think demon right there. There's a metaphor in that.
• 6:57:53
  That's why I've never changed my icon, you know?
• 6:57:55
  There's a metaphor of me being a light in the darkness.
• 6:57:58
  My goal in this life, being a massively empathetic person, is
• 6:58:01
  to combat hate with love. But not that every everyone
• 6:58:04
  deserves love. And I can't give everyone love,
• 6:58:07
  especially if you're backstabbing me taking.
• 6:58:10
  It took me a long time to forgive some of these people
• 6:58:12
  that backstabbed me, and I don't actually forgive them.
• 6:58:15
  I understand why it had to happen and through that I have
• 6:58:20
  been able to forgive some people.
• 6:58:22
  But you ask me, do I still have hate in my heart for certain
• 6:58:25
  people? Yes, I do, and I don't feel good
• 6:58:27
  about that. But it's part of the process.
• 6:58:30
  You can't love everyone all the time.
• 6:58:32
  It's just not possible. Behind the back and the front of
• 6:58:37
  your back and the front of your face.
• 6:58:39
  Oh yeah, and anyone listening to this has has my full permission
• 6:58:42
  to backstab me all you want. It doesn't affect me anymore,
• 6:58:44
  but it's only because I've been through it so many times in my
• 6:58:47
  life. Put to call Smokey a pussy
• 6:58:50
  because, you know, this, this pressure built up.
• 6:58:52
  That's just insane. Like I like he said, you know,
• 6:58:57
  put put yourself on your hands. If if Isaac had all these people
• 6:59:03
  coming after him the same way Smokey did, he would have
• 6:59:05
  cracked way sooner. You know, just as an example,
• 6:59:10
  and it's really unfortunate to see Burgos and Tauruses are best
• 6:59:15
  friends of Zodiac of the Zodiac and Pisces.
• 6:59:18
  Yeah, well, you know, y'all are both Taurus dashed and that's
• 6:59:22
  not helpful right now. But I did one of things that I
• 6:59:29
  love. I know, I know, I know.
• 6:59:32
  I want to use you as y'all became my favorite 1 and Aries
• 6:59:37
  is also my favorite. Your wife?
• 6:59:38
  Yes. And she's got 10 lbs.
• 6:59:40
  I mean, it's just all evidential.
• 6:59:43
  I want to use dashing as a prime example.
• 6:59:45
  Dashing has been nothing but loving and endearing to people
• 6:59:49
  and to for for me to witness you showing dashing grace and for
• 6:59:55
  you to get condemnation for that, that that kind of ain't
• 6:59:58
  that a bitch, right? Yeah.
• 7:00:02
  It's unfortunate by Christians, spirit filled believers, mind
• 7:00:06
  you, moral people standing on righteousness.
• 7:00:09
  Yeah, yeah. And that's why I kind of played
• 7:00:15
  the backseat this whole stream because I just wanted everyone
• 7:00:18
  to get their vitriol out because I have none.
• 7:00:22
  I'm not going to be turning on Smokey anytime soon.
• 7:00:25
  You'd probably have to go out and murder somebody and me to
• 7:00:28
  witness it to be like, OK, maybe Smokey really is not who he says
• 7:00:32
  he is. But I've, I've seen you do
• 7:00:33
  nothing but be open and honest about where you're at, what
• 7:00:37
  you're doing and what's going on.
• 7:00:40
  And everyone wants to twist it around and push their own
• 7:00:43
  narrative. But you've just been open and
• 7:00:45
  honest about everything, even when you feel like you are in
• 7:00:50
  the right or the wrong. Like for example, this whole
• 7:00:51
  stream has just you basically. It's just you being honest
• 7:00:57
  really. And a lot of people can't handle
• 7:00:59
  that. You know, everyone wants to say,
• 7:01:01
  oh, is this fake? Is this fake?
• 7:01:02
  Is this fake? I knew from the title alone that
• 7:01:04
  this was not fake. You're not a fake person.
• 7:01:07
  You're not out here to put on a show.
• 7:01:09
  Yeah, you can be performative. Everyone can be performative.
• 7:01:12
  But for people to question whether or not this is a real
• 7:01:15
  thing going on, it's insane. Yes, of course it's real.
• 7:01:19
  I'm not that good of an actor. Exactly.
• 7:01:24
  Exactly. Honestly, truth be told, I just.
• 7:01:27
  I just. I just, I just, I just got in
• 7:01:31
  from the Senior Center today. I was playing pinochle all day
• 7:01:35
  and some roulettes and things and we went to the casino to
• 7:01:39
  walk around with our oxygen tanks and I just got back.
• 7:01:45
  Wow, good to see you Dave. That is sounds so much fun and
• 7:01:49
  welcome back another person, one of them.
• 7:01:51
  No, I cut down like 10 trees today and cut them all up to and
• 7:01:54
  then I dropped to at the end and it got too late to continue.
• 7:01:57
  So I got to fix that tomorrow. I probably got about 1/4 wood
• 7:01:59
  laying there. So yeah, Well, I just thought
• 7:02:03
  I'd let you know I'm going to do a standby.
• 7:02:04
  I got to run into the store and get some milk and I'll be back
• 7:02:07
  and we'll if you want to do a follow up broadcast and later
• 7:02:09
  I'll Jack. Yeah, no, we'll do that because
• 7:02:11
  I eventually here, I'm going to shut this down and then we'll
• 7:02:13
  switch it over to your side. So that's good.
• 7:02:15
  OK, I'll put you back on Co host there, whatever.
• 7:02:17
  And I don't know how there's some sort of way I can actually
• 7:02:21
  send my audience to your stream if you have it set up.
• 7:02:25
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 7:02:27
  But we'll figure it out eventually.
• 7:02:29
  But it is an option. I'll check the studio here at
• 7:02:31
  some point. I think I have to do it through
• 7:02:32
  the YouTube app itself. But if I, if you get something
• 7:02:36
  set up, get something set up and then if I can figure out how to
• 7:02:40
  do it, I can send the audience over there.
• 7:02:43
  And then we can just carry on. You know that type because
• 7:02:45
  we're, we're at 7 hours now. So, you know, we we got, you
• 7:02:50
  know, we're going to hit that, you know, Mark.
• 7:02:53
  So a lot of highs, a lot of lows today.
• 7:02:57
  Well, yeah, I'm just, I'm going to put you back on the main mod.
• 7:03:01
  OK. Yeah, No, that's cool.
• 7:03:02
  I appreciate it. But I don't know, by the way,
• 7:03:05
  and you might give it back to fro tomorrow or something
• 7:03:07
  because I don't know. I'm going to.
• 7:03:07
  Yeah, I can do that. I don't know if I'm going to.
• 7:03:09
  He likes to get, I figure, you know, he likes to come in around
• 7:03:11
  5:00 AM my time. So from now until then, it'll be
• 7:03:14
  mostly. Yeah, that's fine.
• 7:03:15
  Yeah. I don't know how much I'm going
• 7:03:16
  to be around. That's cool.
• 7:03:17
  I can adjust it if he wants it. Yeah.
• 7:03:19
  Well, you guys. Yeah, that's fine.
• 7:03:21
  You better want to go and talk about this.
• 7:03:23
  Look in the mirror. All right?
• 7:03:25
  I'm going to run to the store. I will be back.
• 7:03:27
  I'll see you guys a little later.
• 7:03:29
  OK, buddy. Appreciate it.
• 7:03:30
  All right? I love you all so much.
• 7:03:31
  It's like abuse. Lady Dashon, I think you got a
• 7:03:35
  hot mic. Turn Shanny off.
• 7:03:37
  I'm going to mute that exactly, Dash.
• 7:03:41
  OK, I tried. OK, He's muted.
• 7:03:43
  OK, All right. But yeah.
• 7:03:45
  Are you talking to Shanny? Are you talking to Shanny?
• 7:03:47
  Dashon, I've tried. There's no saving Shanny.
• 7:03:55
  No, I'm just referring to it. Were you talking to Shanny or
• 7:03:57
  just listening to her stream or something?
• 7:03:59
  Yeah. OK.
• 7:04:03
  All right. I'm gonna carry.
• 7:04:05
  I have a lot of care of their housemates.
• 7:04:06
  Stream over there. Oops.
• 7:04:09
  Dashton, tell Shanny that you you think Smokey is a great guy.
• 7:04:15
  You know, Shanny is a Virgo too, and she's also Virgo rising.
• 7:04:19
  That's why I get to pick up stuff from her.
• 7:04:21
  And then she has sent us Gemini. But whatever.
• 7:04:23
  And, well, tell her, tell her that Smokey.
• 7:04:28
  Smokey is a great guy. If you if you think I'm a great
• 7:04:32
  guy. Yeah.
• 7:04:32
  What does she think of you? What did you know anything?
• 7:04:35
  Oh, she thinks I'm awful, but but just just tell her that you
• 7:04:40
  think I'm a great guy. School somebody and she didn't
• 7:04:43
  know. I don't know.
• 7:04:45
  I think there's maybe something sometimes and have that
• 7:04:49
  expression, but who knows. Also, I don't know, like, you
• 7:04:51
  know who Smokey St. is and her girl, His girl Harry's Harry's
• 7:04:56
  girl, Low, you know, he's a Virgo and turns out to be the
• 7:05:00
  shizzle, just like every Virgo I ever come in contact with or see
• 7:05:03
  on YouTube. Especially YouTube, because
• 7:05:05
  they're always the best to listen to you and they're
• 7:05:06
  fucking hello. Yeah, Fuck yeah.
• 7:05:09
  They can pick the details of the things and be the best critics
• 7:05:13
  and all that good stuff. Good, healthy shit.
• 7:05:15
  Fuck yeah. And get rid of all this, all the
• 7:05:17
  delusions that other people have is a Virgos cleanup that is like
• 7:05:20
  thebomb.com how they just do it. I don't get the opposite little
• 7:05:23
  view dash and Shanny hates everyone all the time.
• 7:05:27
  Oh no, me and her are friends. That's my real friend.
• 7:05:29
  She's mad. She's my you 2 mother.
• 7:05:31
  You know you're free to do whatever you want.
• 7:05:35
  Shanny needs psychiatric. As someone who has BPD myself,
• 7:05:40
  Shanny needs psychiatric help. Well she's she's, she's not just
• 7:05:47
  sitting around all day. Just validating your own
• 7:05:49
  bullshit is self-destructive and she's self destructing.
• 7:05:52
  I think there's hope for Rev. I think he can still become a
• 7:05:55
  better person, but he has to get away from her.
• 7:06:00
  I've been there done that. It creeps.
• 7:06:04
  You hear them. I don't know if you're allowed
• 7:06:05
  to. I don't know if that's cock
• 7:06:06
  around. I'm sure they don't care.
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  Yeah, Smokey, I support. I support your your decision on
• 7:06:12
  this. It's it's a decision I made a
• 7:06:14
  long time ago. That's why I you don't see me in
• 7:06:17
  any of the other like Christian streams.
• 7:06:20
  I choose to be here because I think you're one of the realist
• 7:06:23
  motherfuckers out here. So yeah, I agree as fuck with
• 7:06:27
  that period. I'm agree on paper.
• 7:06:30
  I am a paper Christian. I'm not going to lie, if I'm if
• 7:06:33
  I'm in the census, I'll check the box.
• 7:06:35
  But you know, I was a big part of a local church and I got the
• 7:06:40
  peek behind the curtain and see the same thing you're witnessing
• 7:06:42
  here on YouTube. And I was disgusted and I vowed
• 7:06:47
  to never return. Does that mean I'll never go
• 7:06:49
  back to a church? I'm sure I will one day.
• 7:06:52
  You know, my son is getting a little bit older and he goes to
• 7:06:54
  church. His mom brings him.
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  And I don't have any problem with that.
• 7:06:57
  I'd rather him learn early on morals, you know, that don't
• 7:07:01
  exist in the Bible, right? But I, I want that.
• 7:07:04
  I do want my kids to be able to choose.
• 7:07:08
  I had a. He's very young and I told him,
• 7:07:12
  you know, I'm glad that you're doing this now, but I will never
• 7:07:16
  force you into my own beliefs. If one day you choose to go
• 7:07:19
  against the grain, just be prepared to defend yourself
• 7:07:22
  'cause I will challenge you. Absolutely, yeah.
• 7:07:25
  And. And he's only fixed.
• 7:07:27
  So you have to just equip them as best as you can, you know,
• 7:07:31
  And then they're going to have to trust that they gleaned what
• 7:07:34
  they can off of it. And we'll use what's what's good
• 7:07:38
  and keep to what's right. And I guess it's really all you
• 7:07:40
  can hope for 'cause there's no virtue and just trying to
• 7:07:43
  control them and Michael manage them, you know.
• 7:07:46
  So mother gave gave this a piece of paper that the her son tried
• 7:07:52
  to pretend to sign to the teacher and tell and tell tell
• 7:07:57
  on her own son to the teacher for falsely signature.
• 7:08:03
  Just a little bit about me. I was raised agnostic.
• 7:08:06
  I wasn't actually raised agnostic.
• 7:08:08
  It's just my family never picked a side ever.
• 7:08:11
  And there were a lot of trials and tribulations is how I found
• 7:08:14
  God, which is ironic because I, I studied the Bible a lot prior
• 7:08:17
  to that trying to find God in the Bible and I just couldn't.
• 7:08:20
  It didn't make sense to me really at the time, but now it
• 7:08:23
  makes so much more sense to me as an adult going through the
• 7:08:26
  life experiences that I've been through.
• 7:08:29
  It just, I don't know. I, I want to say that I had a
• 7:08:33
  spiritual awakening, but I think that's a, that's a stupid term,
• 7:08:37
  you know, But when I opened myself up to this belief that
• 7:08:44
  there is a higher power, I've always, I've always held that
• 7:08:47
  belief. I'll say that.
• 7:08:48
  But to open myself up to things that I couldn't understand.
• 7:08:52
  Did I only truly understand? I was so worried about reading
• 7:08:56
  the Bible to disprove it that that's exactly the message I got
• 7:09:01
  out of it. This is fake, this is stupid,
• 7:09:03
  this is bullshit. Right?
• 7:09:05
  But then Fast forward 10 years from then, I'm rereading the
• 7:09:10
  same Bible and it's making a lot more sense to me than it ever
• 7:09:14
  did before. Now I'm not as well versed to
• 7:09:17
  sit here and quote scripture in a debate at a high level, which
• 7:09:23
  is why I stick around people who can.
• 7:09:27
  My experience has been so personal that there is no way
• 7:09:31
  that I could articulate it in such a way to convince anyone
• 7:09:35
  that what I experienced was real.
• 7:09:38
  I've witnessed dashing try to do such a thing.
• 7:09:41
  And while we see how far that goes, everyone's like, no, no,
• 7:09:45
  you can't see God. You're not allowed to.
• 7:09:47
  Yeah, you can. I have not had that level of an
• 7:09:50
  experience that you've had dashing.
• 7:09:52
  But I've seen God in people and I've seen the devil in people,
• 7:09:55
  and I felt it with every other sense but my eyes, right?
• 7:10:00
  And unfortunately, witnessing the death of Charlie Kirk, that
• 7:10:04
  didn't like, reawaken me. It just kind of reinvigorated
• 7:10:07
  me. I had never once listened to a
• 7:10:12
  Charlie Kirk debate prior to or after.
• 7:10:15
  But to witness a man of Christ get assassinated blew my mind
• 7:10:22
  because that made me realize we still live in the same world
• 7:10:25
  that would crucify Jesus today if he walked this earth.
• 7:10:31
  And I used to think that that spiritual warfare was all
• 7:10:34
  bullshit until I witnessed that. And I witnessed it over and over
• 7:10:38
  and over and over again countless times.
• 7:10:42
  It's sad for shape in the body. That is interesting.
• 7:10:45
  I can't imagine wanting to be favored by a world that would
• 7:10:48
  still cruelify Jesus today. Which is why I will never accept
• 7:10:52
  the world. I will never be an atheist.
• 7:10:54
  Worst I'll ever become is another agnostic person.
• 7:10:58
  Is it real? Maybe, I don't know.
• 7:11:00
  But this season of my life there is no doubt in my mind that a
• 7:11:03
  God is real. Which one do I pick?
• 7:11:06
  I pick none of them. Angels told me.
• 7:11:10
  One Angel said, I'm going to show you your testimony of God
• 7:11:13
  and then you have good chambers. So she said I'm going to show
• 7:11:15
  you your testimony of God. So that means that exists for
• 7:11:18
  the angels. And then she says I'm gonna show
• 7:11:21
  you your testimony of God and then you have good chambers.
• 7:11:24
  What would that all mean? I don't know, but she said that
• 7:11:26
  to me and I saw clearly right before I saw the death, the I
• 7:11:32
  was doing a psycho renal as Libra, right?
• 7:11:33
  Complete stranger and I saw it all.
• 7:11:37
  I saw his wife and and OK, he's like a white Libra, but there's
• 7:11:42
  this black chick in the in the spiritual realm.
• 7:11:44
  And she she told me she had diabetes feet, but she still
• 7:11:47
  wore high heels And she would they were basically homeless and
• 7:11:49
  they lived in abandoned house and they read the Bible and she
• 7:11:52
  showed me a verse and I read it out loud because in in the
• 7:11:55
  spiritual realm, I could just read a letter in the spiritual
• 7:11:57
  realm because I could just see these visions and this whole
• 7:12:00
  thing happening. Just that's how I do it.
• 7:12:01
  And she showed me that they had a box, you know, like it was
• 7:12:06
  just made out of wood, like wood, pieces of board or
• 7:12:09
  whatever. I'm just describing what it
• 7:12:10
  looked like, you know, so I said, tell this guy and this
• 7:12:15
  Angel all of a sudden appeared and she says, I'm going to show
• 7:12:16
  you your testimony of God in the chamber.
• 7:12:19
  So that was really crazy and awesome.
• 7:12:21
  And even before that I picked up on his passed away uncle, his
• 7:12:25
  passed away grandpa and all that other stuff like that.
• 7:12:27
  It just and it led to that level and all of a sudden that that
• 7:12:30
  supreme thing came and he was smoking a cigarette, that piece
• 7:12:32
  of a douchebag. Idiot.
• 7:12:33
  And he's like, I'm going to go to bed, angels around us all.
• 7:12:36
  But I'm like, I figure out this opportunity to see the fucking
• 7:12:38
  angels. No, you haven't, bitch.
• 7:12:39
  And this is your first fucking time.
• 7:12:40
  And he's just like casually thinking that, you know, I guess
• 7:12:43
  he's fall asleep for the presence of his own Angel.
• 7:12:45
  Where the fuck this is? Because not everyone, I think is
• 7:12:46
  wrong. This is like a once I left a
• 7:12:48
  chance, but I walked away because and I could still see
• 7:12:50
  the Angel floating above him after that, you know, and still
• 7:12:55
  could see it walking down the street, far, far down the
• 7:12:57
  street. This is a downtown area.
• 7:12:59
  And he was just sleeping on a bench.
• 7:13:00
  But that was fucking cool, you know?
• 7:13:05
  And I mean, I was at a Plaza center, right?
• 7:13:08
  You can't be schizophrenic. You can't be on, You can't be
• 7:13:11
  wasted at the Plaza center. You get tested all the stuff.
• 7:13:15
  And when they were pricking me, I was just like left around
• 7:13:18
  these people. I was like, I'm like, I got held
• 7:13:21
  back by going in Tacoma because this Gemini dude hit me with the
• 7:13:24
  car while I was roller skating up a hill.
• 7:13:25
  Meet my Scorpio ex's best friend to go to the mall.
• 7:13:28
  Just practice my psych abilities.
• 7:13:29
  Hello. Once I found out I'm talking,
• 7:13:33
  I'll be the first to tell you dash.
• 7:13:35
  And you definitely have an ability there.
• 7:13:37
  There's no doubt in my mind that you have a ability that a lot of
• 7:13:41
  people don't, nor will they ever understand.
• 7:13:44
  They don't practice it. This is for everybody.
• 7:13:47
  Everyone has this. No, I, I, I do agree to
• 7:13:50
  practice. They're not embarrassing
• 7:13:51
  themselves to practice. They're humiliated themselves,
• 7:13:53
  are rejected. I agree often, but not every
• 7:13:55
  other people. And they're scared that what can
• 7:13:57
  happen if we actually could do this and we can't.
• 7:13:59
  And I'm not going to do it harm. I'm just going to do it because
• 7:14:02
  I can. That's what No, listen, listen.
• 7:14:03
  Not everyone will handle it responsibly.
• 7:14:06
  Most people will use it for evil.
• 7:14:10
  Exactly. And I would never hello.
• 7:14:13
  Greater good is the best, the way to be good.
• 7:14:15
  This is all in front of God and nothing's going to be hidden.
• 7:14:17
  We can see each other and everything's been seen and and
• 7:14:20
  it's just natural to me to want to love and, and do this without
• 7:14:23
  judgement. That's why you're allowed to do
• 7:14:25
  it. I still forgive all of you, all
• 7:14:26
  of it. I want to see, I want to see it
• 7:14:28
  all through you and that's it. And then and then I get the
• 7:14:29
  message and, and Jesus can actually come through, but he
• 7:14:32
  wants to tell y'all something. It's not ever about me.
• 7:14:35
  It's always about y'all. Every spirit is only about
• 7:14:37
  y'all, but it's I got to just, you know, say what I'm saying.
• 7:14:40
  And that's why I can't compare, say I can't control it.
• 7:14:45
  It's that's why I think you're allowed to do it because you
• 7:14:47
  don't have harm as your intention.
• 7:14:50
  And I think a lot of people that do have harm as their intention
• 7:14:53
  would absolutely run wild with your abilities.
• 7:14:57
  Even the scary spooky one. The only thing that spooked me
• 7:15:00
  was a 4-5 share of being. That was the best thing ever in
• 7:15:04
  detail. I could see it the whole time it
• 7:15:06
  was there. It was in the room with me and
• 7:15:08
  the IT was just a restaurant. It's freaking awesome.
• 7:15:10
  It came through two mirrors. I was doing psycho rings on my
• 7:15:13
  friend. It's a reason why I can do it is
• 7:15:15
  because people's light. People's light is bright and I
• 7:15:17
  and then you can see it and I have to find somebody with the
• 7:15:19
  light. Y'all are the satellite.
• 7:15:20
  I can't do mine myself and I need confirmation and I have to
• 7:15:23
  practice and I can prove it. Hello, You know what I mean?
• 7:15:26
  It's really fun. I saw I saw on the side chat
• 7:15:28
  they asked if you use the Ouija board and I think that's
• 7:15:31
  hilarious because everything decoration like the movie
• 7:15:34
  stigmata, that's it. It's punk rock.
• 7:15:36
  Tarot cards, Ouija boards, hair cards are like lovely and boring
• 7:15:41
  and I hate this like color pink. Carrie White did what she did at
• 7:15:44
  prom, which she wearing pink period.
• 7:15:45
  Hold on, hold on. My point is they're all tools
• 7:15:48
  and she's capable. They're all tools.
• 7:15:52
  I don't do those with the cell phone.
• 7:15:55
  I like, yeah, we are the cell phone to the lie.
• 7:15:58
  You're the cell phone. Like your warmth and your lovely
• 7:16:00
  freaking feeling is a good present.
• 7:16:01
  You know, Smokey, I wanted the I wanted to touch on AI, wanted to
• 7:16:05
  touch on a point Smokey made earlier that he was talking
• 7:16:08
  about idolatry. And it's very fascinating to me
• 7:16:12
  how people believe in idolatry because all idols are is a
• 7:16:16
  representation of what we want it to be.
• 7:16:19
  It means nothing. It's ourselves.
• 7:16:22
  We're all ourselves a mirror of each other, a corner of each
• 7:16:25
  other's soul, period. A statue of Jesus means nothing
• 7:16:28
  unless you believe it's exactly that shouldn't even be a
• 7:16:31
  conversation. That's just decoration bullshit.
• 7:16:33
  But but, but I made the doll out of the face being.
• 7:16:36
  I mean, who has the doll of that?
• 7:16:38
  That's just the coolest thing ever.
• 7:16:40
  Like that's so cool that I did that.
• 7:16:41
  I thought that is so cool because I did see this being and
• 7:16:44
  I just turned it into a doll. That was awesome.
• 7:16:46
  I think it's fascinating how scared people are of these
• 7:16:49
  images. This is my truth.
• 7:16:51
  This is my testimony. This is my documentary.
• 7:16:53
  This is my my memory. I want to remember.
• 7:16:56
  And it's just like, I make this, like this is cool.
• 7:17:00
  It's like a crown. It's not my, it's not my throne,
• 7:17:03
  it's my crown. What's there to worry about?
• 7:17:05
  Buttered toast? If it's Satan, are you afraid
• 7:17:07
  you're going to be converted to Satanism by seeing an image?
• 7:17:10
  Yeah. I mean, just Anyways, yeah,
• 7:17:12
  that's just another dumb controversial thing in itself.
• 7:17:16
  Like it does not do anything. Can't bring Jesus here.
• 7:17:19
  I have to get Jesus went through y'all.
• 7:17:21
  It's very, it's actually very important to be controversial
• 7:17:24
  because that will do one of two things, either reinforce your
• 7:17:27
  faith or destroy it. Piece of art representing art,
• 7:17:32
  mirroring art, whatever. It's just art that's art.
• 7:17:35
  Now if I found out dashing was sacrificing babies, I would be
• 7:17:38
  the first to call them out. But that would be like pure
• 7:17:42
  innocent individual, at least at this moment in life.
• 7:17:45
  I think I, I believe in the science and experimentation of
• 7:17:48
  what that dude did you try to just keep themselves younger?
• 7:17:51
  So wouldn't I be drinking adrenochrome dashing?
• 7:17:53
  I would not do anything dumb like that.
• 7:17:54
  I'm too, I'm just everything. But those are good points that
• 7:17:57
  you should point out to other people who have accusations of
• 7:17:59
  dumb things, things like that on people.
• 7:18:02
  Hopefully not me, but you know, they seem to like ridiculously
• 7:18:04
  like have their own delusions about me.
• 7:18:06
  Whatever. No, not the idea in your fucking
• 7:18:10
  heads. And I'm not your, your little
• 7:18:11
  fucking fake dream has made me somebody else's hell, not my
• 7:18:15
  fucking reality. We can all share this little
• 7:18:17
  piece, you know? And it's hilarious to me how
• 7:18:20
  people will believe that the Pope has revelations, but
• 7:18:23
  someone like Dash and can't, Right.
• 7:18:27
  Everyone can. Literally, there's so many.
• 7:18:30
  God forbid a regular human being has access to a world that we
• 7:18:34
  can't see. I worked really hard at getting
• 7:18:37
  there through all these rejections and all this
• 7:18:38
  bullshit. The same thing people think they
• 7:18:40
  had. It can be satanic.
• 7:18:41
  It absolutely can be satanic. They turned away from the
• 7:18:44
  practice of the reality, the key to the heavens, you know, and
• 7:18:47
  all the Jesus and all the encounters.
• 7:18:50
  I mean, look, there's a fabric of reality that is wearing thin
• 7:18:53
  that you are able to see through if you try hard enough.
• 7:18:56
  Yeah, you kind of. You can do it.
• 7:18:59
  Why can't people try to practice?
• 7:19:01
  They need to believe themselves or some bullshit.
• 7:19:03
  Isn't bullshit your ego to be able to do that?
• 7:19:06
  It's really just being around people.
• 7:19:08
  You just go around people and observe the fuck out of them
• 7:19:11
  from the inside out and you can see things flash to pan.
• 7:19:13
  If you're in a state of mind, you don't even have to look at
• 7:19:15
  them. You can see fucking things.
• 7:19:17
  Look, I'm going to share something with you guys that
• 7:19:19
  I've never really said publicly because it makes no sense to me
• 7:19:22
  to even say out loud. But anytime I've ever been in a
• 7:19:25
  physical confrontation, which I've been in several, I go into
• 7:19:28
  a third person mode every single time.
• 7:19:31
  How do you explain that? Now I know you would understand
• 7:19:35
  dashing because there's an element to this life that we as
• 7:19:39
  basic standard human beings can't access.
• 7:19:42
  One more layers than this bullshit shallow shit that
• 7:19:45
  people are trying to portray is what the hell?
• 7:19:48
  You know what? I'm not even trying to talk
• 7:19:49
  tough. This is just to go to prove a
• 7:19:52
  point. I've never lost a physical
• 7:19:54
  confrontation in my life and I'm not bragging about it because
• 7:19:57
  I'd wish I haven't been. I wish I was in no physical
• 7:20:00
  confrontations. But the reason why I've never
• 7:20:02
  lost a physical confrontation is because I go into a third person
• 7:20:05
  mode where I'm observing myself and the actions of the other
• 7:20:08
  person. I've been hurt before, don't get
• 7:20:12
  me wrong. Movie on YouTube about me.
• 7:20:14
  It's called psychic tapes or something like that.
• 7:20:18
  Dash and tape. I realized very early on that I
• 7:20:21
  have abilities that a lot of other people don't and I and I
• 7:20:24
  try as hard as I can to believe that everyone can do it because
• 7:20:29
  I do believe everyone can have an ability to go into another.
• 7:20:35
  I don't know. You know, this is kind of funny
• 7:20:37
  that I saw this movie last night and I'm not recommending people
• 7:20:40
  who aren't anime fans go watch it, but the Demon Slayer movie
• 7:20:43
  that I watched last night kind of reconfirmed a lot of things I
• 7:20:46
  thought about myself. And I'm not relating myself to
• 7:20:48
  an anime. It's a cartoon, all right.
• 7:20:50
  But there is a scene in the movie where the main character
• 7:20:55
  basically is trying to figure out how to defeat this one guy
• 7:20:59
  that he can't defeat and what he had to do with access.
• 7:21:03
  Exactly what I've been able to access in my life, which is
• 7:21:06
  another state of consciousness in the midst of a battle where
• 7:21:10
  your life is on the line. And in order to do that, you
• 7:21:14
  have to get rid of all of your fear and you have to not want to
• 7:21:19
  actually kill the other person, even though they're trying to
• 7:21:21
  kill you. If your intention is to kill
• 7:21:24
  that person, then you can't access this realm.
• 7:21:28
  Either restrain it or boundaries or escape it.
• 7:21:31
  I mean, fuck that. No harm make a right.
• 7:21:34
  It makes it makes sense if you watch the movie and they kind of
• 7:21:37
  put into a into a visual thing that I've been trying to explain
• 7:21:41
  for a while there. There are absolutely different
• 7:21:45
  layers to this reality that we live in.
• 7:21:47
  There is no one objective reality that's involved.
• 7:21:50
  Held up by knives and guns before all kinds of bullshit.
• 7:21:53
  Just casually doing it by Virgo too.
• 7:21:56
  And truth be told, I'll give all these all walks of life a ride.
• 7:22:00
  I get myself a danger. I'll be honest with you, Saha,
• 7:22:02
  it is scary. But you know why you not?
• 7:22:06
  I wasn't scared, more so annoyed.
• 7:22:08
  But yeah, it can be scary too. Yeah, very scary sometimes.
• 7:22:11
  I'm. I'm just.
• 7:22:12
  So once you understand what's actually going on and they stop
• 7:22:15
  you and punch you, it's like nothing you can do calling it
• 7:22:19
  Jesus, just spiritual. It's not going to save you.
• 7:22:21
  I'm not I'm not trying to give him one.
• 7:22:23
  I'm about physically that I'm right and and you guys are wrong
• 7:22:27
  because in your reality, I am wrong, absolutely wrong.
• 7:22:31
  It's like Jesus got your soul, but the the body, I don't know.
• 7:22:34
  But if it just if it if it mingles.
• 7:22:36
  But we're not making this about we're not making this about me
• 7:22:39
  and you Dash, you know, to be to be fair to to Smokey, he is
• 7:22:43
  going through a lot of things right now that will make sense
• 7:22:46
  in a year or two years time. It broke.
• 7:22:49
  I'm eating the leaves of his teeth.
• 7:22:52
  I did want to say that though, before we go on to another, what
• 7:22:55
  smoke he's going through will make sense to him.
• 7:22:59
  But because you'll go so far into skepticism, you agree so
• 7:23:02
  close minded as it keeps you in, it's contradicting or whatever,
• 7:23:05
  but I don't know. But like so Saha, no, I don't
• 7:23:07
  have a six pack. I never cared that I can have a
• 7:23:10
  six pack in like 3 weeks if I really want to.
• 7:23:13
  But no, I am very physically fit.
• 7:23:16
  I am very, very confident in my abilities to handle
• 7:23:19
  confrontation. I'm not a tough guy.
• 7:23:24
  I fight out a defense in survival, and unfortunately, I
• 7:23:27
  had to survive a lot of things in my life that I'd rather not
• 7:23:29
  have. This is Christina Ricci shirt
• 7:23:32
  from Casper. Yeah, bitch.
• 7:23:34
  Casper was a Virgo and she was an Aquarian.
• 7:23:36
  You can think of me as the exact opposite of dashing, but I'm not
• 7:23:39
  too far different from dashing. You're a Taurus, the earth.
• 7:23:44
  I'm a Pisces, period. And I'm very confident in my
• 7:23:48
  ability to communicate as well as physically fight.
• 7:23:53
  Of course, Doris is the bull is the one that has a chosen by
• 7:23:57
  God, the wrath of God, the anger of the wrath of God.
• 7:23:59
  He gave that and to pour it on the earth of where he wants his
• 7:24:02
  wrath, which is from Taurus, you know, the patient, Taurus, the,
• 7:24:05
  you know, they're slow. They're the patient.
• 7:24:07
  They're charming and beautiful and all this stuff.
• 7:24:08
  And they're also, you know, like, you know what I mean?
• 7:24:11
  They like whatever, not like a cat, but like, yeah, they didn't
• 7:24:14
  record. I could get on like Scorpio
• 7:24:16
  would cause revenge with the with the wrath of Gwad.
• 7:24:19
  And that's the polarity of Taurus.
• 7:24:21
  Taurus. I guess.
• 7:24:22
  What? Haha.
• 7:24:22
  I don't have to do what you tell me to do.
• 7:24:25
  And oh, Tauruses are never. They're always right.
• 7:24:28
  And you're fucking wrong. Tauruses.
• 7:24:29
  Check out my shorts. Haha.
• 7:24:30
  If you don't believe Buddha was a Taurus, apparently he just
• 7:24:33
  stayed put and everybody served that bitch food.
• 7:24:35
  Hell yeah. And he went anyway.
• 7:24:37
  Hello, Bon. I guess.
• 7:24:40
  Hello. Hello.
• 7:24:41
  But yeah. There we go.
• 7:24:45
  Hey, Ron. Uh huh.
• 7:24:46
  Let's just put it this way. If you see me in real life,
• 7:24:48
  you'll understand what I'm talking about to Cam up.
• 7:24:52
  That won't happen. No see people have to pay for me
• 7:24:55
  to get on camera, and I say that jokingly, but I really mean
• 7:24:58
  that. I don't just give myself away my
• 7:25:00
  money period. They earn spiritual.
• 7:25:02
  I want the spirit to show. I'll go on Cam in private and
• 7:25:06
  you they're they're I'd rather do your psychic reading like
• 7:25:09
  this either way, anyways, that everyone has to be hidden like
• 7:25:12
  you know, and it's impossible to rage me.
• 7:25:16
  Helen Keller. You can try all you want.
• 7:25:17
  I'm not getting on. I already didn't remember.
• 7:25:19
  I saw some objects and stuff, so maybe I should try on somebody
• 7:25:21
  else. Like bond.
• 7:25:22
  Isn't you a Libra bond Bond digital libras are the most
• 7:25:25
  bonding sign, the only ones that make you feel like less alone
• 7:25:27
  and they will make and I don't want beautiful with you.
• 7:25:29
  So I'm just I'm just telling you there's nothing that you can say
• 7:25:33
  right now, unless you want to PayPal me like 20 bucks.
• 7:25:36
  Then I'll get on camera and flex.
• 7:25:38
  I flexed on new me earlier today.
• 7:25:39
  Go find it. Put your lamp on there and your
• 7:25:41
  PayPal down there for the for the opportunity.
• 7:25:44
  No, I'm not making. I'm not making.
• 7:25:45
  You're a model. You're a torrent.
• 7:25:46
  Like it's a smoky dreamy, not mine.
• 7:25:50
  The freak show of God's faces. I'm sure I saw you had your,
• 7:25:55
  like, selfie or like a photo of you up.
• 7:25:58
  You know what? Actually, yeah, I'll do that.
• 7:26:00
  I'll change my avatar. You you had it.
• 7:26:01
  You had it up earlier. Yeah, that's right.
• 7:26:03
  I glanced at it. Yeah, you look like you get the
• 7:26:06
  gym, but when I did your second reading already said what you
• 7:26:08
  looked like. Remember, I have a lot of self
• 7:26:10
  worth, Ricky Mario and you can prove myself to Internet people.
• 7:26:14
  There you go. Where says that?
• 7:26:17
  There you go. But when I get a chance, I did
• 7:26:19
  want to. Not a filter.
• 7:26:21
  That's just me chilling. Yes, not yesterday, but like a
• 7:26:24
  week ago. So yeah, there you go.
• 7:26:26
  I'll beat you up somehow. Not really, but when I get a
• 7:26:31
  chance, I did want ask a question to Smokey whenever you
• 7:26:36
  are done. Oh yeah, no, go ahead, man.
• 7:26:38
  I said my piece. I think Smokey is, is on a very,
• 7:26:42
  very specific path right now. So it's good for him to go
• 7:26:45
  through this. Actually, as as as hard as it
• 7:26:47
  seems that he's going through this, he will grow from this.
• 7:26:56
  Burgers are supposed to be pretty fucking readable for me.
• 7:26:58
  But I don't know. We're mostly burger rising
• 7:26:59
  people. I don't know, just let Bond go.
• 7:27:02
  He's been pretty quiet. Well, well, I don't.
• 7:27:04
  I don't know if I don't know if he's here or not.
• 7:27:06
  So. But it was a pleasure to wait
• 7:27:09
  with a Taurus. Hell yeah.
• 7:27:10
  I won the lottery at that 2. Just just give me like 2
• 7:27:15
  minutes, Bond. I'll be right back.
• 7:27:16
  OK. OK, yeah, I'm actually gonna
• 7:27:20
  step away from the mics for a second, but I'll be right back
• 7:27:26
  anyway. So with all that said, let's not
• 7:27:30
  make this about oustache. And I know we have a tendency to
• 7:27:32
  do that, but this is. I don't know anything about
• 7:27:34
  that. No, I'm not.
• 7:27:37
  I'm not accusing you of that. I just know me and you will go
• 7:27:40
  on a rant forever and ever and ever.
• 7:27:42
  Well, if we should, we should. You're very entertaining.
• 7:27:48
  I want to. I want to catch up with side
• 7:27:49
  chat. I wonder if anyone's taking my
• 7:27:51
  spot yet as a number one side chatter today.
• 7:27:54
  Nope, they suck. Hey, Will Freeman, you suck.
• 7:27:58
  Get on my level, get on my level, get on this level.
• 7:28:03
  Love to be in the levels of those still #1 all right.
• 7:28:07
  But I have been very grateful to horses, number one, number two,
• 7:28:13
  number three. But I'm trying to get I'm I'm
• 7:28:15
  I'm being and there goes right now.
• 7:28:18
  But I mean, no, I don't know Dashing personally, but I do
• 7:28:21
  know him on a personal level and that's fine.
• 7:28:25
  But there's myself. Dashing has been inside my
• 7:28:27
  house. Yeah.
• 7:28:30
  Yeah. That's what that's what we can
• 7:28:31
  do. That's what happens.
• 7:28:32
  We can all watch. Spirits can watch over each
• 7:28:34
  other. We can watch over each other.
• 7:28:35
  We can watch over spirits. And spirits can look after us
• 7:28:37
  and we can look after each other.
• 7:28:39
  All of us can have this ability at one as one.
• 7:28:41
  We're all linked to the same spiritual thread, like you said,
• 7:28:44
  like the layers of God in heaven.
• 7:28:46
  And I will answer a question for most people in chat.
• 7:28:48
  Is dashing crazy, you guys? Yes, absolutely.
• 7:28:52
  To you guys, dashing is crazy. To someone like me, completely
• 7:28:55
  normal. Exactly.
• 7:28:57
  I I specifically go out of my way to find the most interesting
• 7:29:03
  people in this world, mostly by happenstance.
• 7:29:06
  It just so happens I find myself around the craziest people.
• 7:29:12
  But you know, I don't. I'm not Jesus, but yeah, I
• 7:29:18
  almost alive. Don't you have a moon in
• 7:29:20
  Aquarius? That means you're like a true
• 7:29:21
  friend and you can give equal opportunities to everyone.
• 7:29:24
  I mean, I have never betrayed anyone in my entire life and I
• 7:29:27
  will stand on that. Did you have that moon in
• 7:29:29
  Aquarius? I don't know.
• 7:29:30
  What was your moon? It was.
• 7:29:30
  I don't remember. I'll be honest with you.
• 7:29:32
  Aries like she was. No is an Aries.
• 7:29:35
  But I have never cheated on anyone and I've been with lots
• 7:29:38
  of people. Not OK.
• 7:29:40
  Well, let me quantify lots a lot for terminally remind people
• 7:29:45
  I've never cheated. I've never stolen from my
• 7:29:48
  family. I have never betrayed anyone in
• 7:29:52
  my entire life. Because Taurus is the best
• 7:29:54
  klaptos by the way. It's a side effect.
• 7:29:56
  I dare anyone who hears this to find evidence of me betraying
• 7:30:00
  anyone. I dare you.
• 7:30:04
  It's always me that gets betrayed.
• 7:30:05
  Actually, it's ironic. I would never betray anyone in
• 7:30:10
  my entire life. If I say I got your back, I got
• 7:30:12
  your back even when you don't have mine.
• 7:30:15
  And some people you just can't trust to have your back.
• 7:30:18
  They don't need to either. No I I gave up trusting anyone.
• 7:30:21
  I mean maybe you have an effort of being bad and bad.
• 7:30:25
  No I don't sounds good. My soul is pure and I have no
• 7:30:31
  reason to betray anyone. The only people I've ever quote
• 7:30:34
  UN quote betrayed, I challenge them and I let them know, hey, I
• 7:30:38
  don't like what you're doing. So I'm going to go my own way.
• 7:30:42
  And if they don't let me go my own way, I will fight with them.
• 7:30:45
  And to them they will think it's betrayal.
• 7:30:47
  But if you won't let me go where I need to go, which is away from
• 7:30:51
  certain spaces, then I will fight you.
• 7:30:55
  And some people see that as betrayal.
• 7:30:57
  But I will tell them straight up, hey, I am not on par with
• 7:31:00
  you. I do not agree with you.
• 7:31:02
  I don't want any part of your way of life.
• 7:31:05
  I'm going to go live my life. And the people that don't let me
• 7:31:08
  do that, I will fight them. Somebody, somebody else's dream,
• 7:31:12
  somebody's dream might be somebody else's lie.
• 7:31:15
  I've never backstabbed anyone. Anything I ever say online, I
• 7:31:19
  will say it to anyone's face at any time.
• 7:31:22
  And that's just the way the world should be.
• 7:31:24
  There's no backstabbing here. Smokey has nothing to worry
• 7:31:26
  about. I'm not going to go run over to
• 7:31:28
  these people and be like, oh, Smokey, is that no, fuck all
• 7:31:31
  that. That's that's pussy behavior.
• 7:31:32
  So anyone who does that has no right to call Smokey a pussy
• 7:31:36
  because Smokey will tell you to your face.
• 7:31:38
  Period. Welcome, Iron Man.
• 7:31:40
  Hello. Hello.
• 7:31:43
  Hi there. Now, Iron Man, Iron Man, I'm
• 7:31:46
  powdered fucking toast man. Bitch.
• 7:31:48
  Yes, I'm boiled peanut. I'm sorry.
• 7:31:50
  With the P. That's my name.
• 7:31:52
  Powdered fucking toast, man. I kind of want to go back to
• 7:31:54
  Danny Phantom now that Iron Man's here.
• 7:31:57
  I know. Iron Man.
• 7:31:59
  Yeah, you should. I am.
• 7:32:02
  No Danny Phantom. For those out there wondering.
• 7:32:04
  It's the Taurus. It's a representation of my
• 7:32:07
  bipolar nature. Sometimes I can be Danny.
• 7:32:09
  Sometimes I could be Phantom, you know, Trisha Paytas is a
• 7:32:15
  tourist moon, Aquarius, Gemini, fast talking rising and I just
• 7:32:19
  don't have the type of bipolar that is an extreme in the
• 7:32:22
  moment. It's very hard to get me from
• 7:32:24
  one point to another. I will have my depressive
• 7:32:27
  moments, but I will have my manic highs as well.
• 7:32:29
  But I have come to find balance in between both of them, and I'm
• 7:32:32
  fully able to admit my weaknesses because no one here
• 7:32:36
  will be able to use it against me in any way, not even Smokey.
• 7:32:39
  That was really good. Which I don't think Smokey
• 7:32:42
  would, but you know, just saying.
• 7:32:43
  Like there is nobody that walks the face of this earth that can
• 7:32:47
  make me feel bad about myself. Only I can make myself feel bad
• 7:32:50
  about myself. I want to mention something real
• 7:32:54
  quick. Go ahead.
• 7:32:55
  I was hoping you'd come back. It's all good man.
• 7:32:58
  I appreciate you filling the air.
• 7:33:00
  I'm going to grab myself a beer. After all, why not?
• 7:33:03
  Me too. After today, I am too.
• 7:33:06
  There you go. So I did want to share this.
• 7:33:09
  A quick little interjection. I came across a post posted 5
• 7:33:12
  minutes ago by Shanny. It's definitely Shanny.
• 7:33:16
  I know it's Shanny and Rev is the name of the channel, but
• 7:33:18
  it's definitely just Shanny that's clearly posting this.
• 7:33:22
  Hell yeah. Shanny's roles.
• 7:33:25
  Yep, and so OK, she has a 4000 shares.
• 7:33:28
  That means she's nasty at home like unhygienic at home and all
• 7:33:30
  that habit like joy bullshit, So he can't blame her, but he can't
• 7:33:35
  be. You don't want to say too much.
• 7:33:39
  You might get on her bad side and she loves you right now.
• 7:33:41
  She's my friend. She's my true friend.
• 7:33:42
  I know, I know, buddy. Let me let me just you don't you
• 7:33:46
  don't want to chime in on this. I got to make a point here on on
• 7:33:50
  this poster that was just put out.
• 7:33:52
  So and I don't know if any of you were kind of keeping up on
• 7:33:55
  some of the Shanny and Rob stuff, particularly over the
• 7:33:57
  last month or so. But her son William has turned
• 7:34:06
  against his mother and even done an interview with one of the
• 7:34:11
  troll channels or you know, drama watcher channel, I forget
• 7:34:15
  which one. It doesn't really matter, but
• 7:34:17
  was essentially kind of milking the the fame of the knowledge of
• 7:34:22
  the mother. And also, you know, everyone
• 7:34:24
  having been pretty intimately aware of everything the kids
• 7:34:27
  have gone through, you know, for a good chunk of their lives
• 7:34:31
  having seen it and witnessed it, you know, first hand on the
• 7:34:34
  Internet. Some of the people that have
• 7:34:35
  followed Shanny for a hot minute remember.
• 7:34:37
  So William, who I believe is now 18 if if I'm recalling
• 7:34:44
  information correctly, has essentially made the decision to
• 7:34:53
  out her son live on the Internet.
• 7:34:56
  So there was an issue where I guess William wasn't calling her
• 7:35:01
  or something like that, and it turned into a public affair.
• 7:35:06
  At the beginning, Shanny and Rev were vaguely alluding to here's
• 7:35:11
  everybody. Hey buddy, good to see you.
• 7:35:14
  Awesome cheers. At the beginning was eluding to
• 7:35:20
  the idea that this was just some vague person in their periphery,
• 7:35:24
  their orbit, that they cared about.
• 7:35:26
  That was being unkind or uncaring to them, not reaching
• 7:35:31
  out to Shanny on her birthday or whatever.
• 7:35:33
  It was something along these lines, and this turned into a
• 7:35:36
  more and more explicit affair where Shanny was no longer
• 7:35:39
  trying to hide. Brother fucker Shanny was No.
• 7:35:45
  Yeah, you can come in near me or Shanny was no longer trying to
• 7:35:48
  hide. And I swear to fuck new me if if
• 7:35:51
  you interrupt me or anyone else in the room, I'm just going to
• 7:35:54
  toss your fat fucking worthless ass out.
• 7:35:56
  I don't care. You're already dead all day.
• 7:36:00
  I'll. I'll throw you out again.
• 7:36:01
  I will. Can I ask you something before
• 7:36:04
  you do that? I'm.
• 7:36:06
  You did not hear me that I was in the middle of something.
• 7:36:09
  Oh, OK, go ahead. Sorry.
• 7:36:10
  You, you treated Mask with this fucker.
• 7:36:14
  You just you just can't help yourself, I swear to God.
• 7:36:17
  Well, let me know when you're done so I can, you know, tell
• 7:36:20
  you what I wanted to tell you. OK?
• 7:36:27
  You know what? Fuck it.
• 7:36:28
  What what is it? What is it?
• 7:36:30
  OK. In the bottom part of the screen
• 7:36:32
  all day. You have this going.
• 7:36:33
  We invite all adversaries out. I will clear the room for a
• 7:36:37
  one-on-one and equal time if requested.
• 7:36:40
  Free speech reigns here. What the fuck do you mean by
• 7:36:45
  that? When you time me out in the chat
• 7:36:47
  and block me the whole cunt. Because you're a disruptive cunt
• 7:36:51
  and you try to keep other people from talking with your speech.
• 7:36:54
  That's the problem. It says all adversaries.
• 7:36:57
  You're a disruptive stupid asshole.
• 7:36:59
  If you want to request on one-on-one you can do so new me
• 7:37:02
  and it will be dealt with appropriately.
• 7:37:04
  You don't get to come in and like you did earlier and start
• 7:37:07
  interrupting people talking because you need to do a mic
• 7:37:10
  test. You need to do a mic test.
• 7:37:11
  No one need to hear from you for a hot fucking minute.
• 7:37:14
  No, honestly, no bullshit. It was on mute and I had to.
• 7:37:18
  I had to unmute it. Why do you get tossed out
• 7:37:21
  because of shit like this? Because you're a fucking
• 7:37:22
  juvenile. No, I wasn't.
• 7:37:24
  I wasn't being funny. That was genuinely a mic desk.
• 7:37:28
  Numb, numb. Clean your fucking food off your
• 7:37:30
  fucking floor for your wife. Please go clean your fucking
• 7:37:33
  mess up. That you did.
• 7:37:34
  That was done a long time ago. That was in the morning.
• 7:37:38
  Show it. Prove it.
• 7:37:39
  Yeah, it's done already. Well, you know what many is?
• 7:37:43
  I don't know if you guys remember the meme that really
• 7:37:45
  was super fat bitch, There was that feminist anti feminist
• 7:37:50
  rally or something. Steven Carter was there, Milo
• 7:37:52
  Yiannopoulos was there and stuff.
• 7:37:53
  And there was a, what they call it, I forget what they called
• 7:37:56
  it, trigly puff or some fucking thing.
• 7:37:58
  And it was this super gargantuan, mega fat bitch
• 7:38:02
  screaming at the rally that was screaming at the rally.
• 7:38:05
  But my free speech, but my free speech.
• 7:38:08
  But really what she was doing was screaming the loudest to try
• 7:38:11
  and drown out the possibility of the opposition speaking.
• 7:38:14
  See, see, this is the type of stupidic, stupid hypocrisy that
• 7:38:19
  New me is attempting to engage in.
• 7:38:21
  Are you crazy? When I spent mic check, Mic
• 7:38:23
  check you thought I was like, he's trying to essentially
• 7:38:28
  unbelievable, excuse me, use his speech in perpetuity to annoy,
• 7:38:33
  irritate and silence the opposition so they can't talk
• 7:38:36
  and then whines about where's my free speech.
• 7:38:37
  So when I said mic check, you thought I was being like that
• 7:38:41
  fat bitch at that protest. I think, I think, I think you
• 7:38:44
  everywhere you go, new me. Your whole goal is to irritate
• 7:38:48
  and annoy because that's the energy you feed off of.
• 7:38:51
  And it really does just show what a pathetic man you are.
• 7:38:54
  By the way, I found the articles.
• 7:38:58
  I don't know what articles you're talking about.
• 7:39:00
  New me. You're charged with doing lewd
• 7:39:03
  activities with a six year old or something.
• 7:39:06
  There we go, 6 year old. Here we go.
• 7:39:08
  Now it's a six year old, 6 year old ages all the time.
• 7:39:11
  It'll be it'll be a six month year old.
• 7:39:14
  It's on YouTube. You guys can search for
• 7:39:16
  yourself. Search up Smokey St.
• 7:39:18
  Exposed. We've got a year in the year.
• 7:39:22
  It'll be Smokey was with the pregnant woman in a Yeah.
• 7:39:28
  Go look it up. Go look it up.
• 7:39:30
  Go go to go to YouTube. Search Smokey St.
• 7:39:34
  Exposed. Seriously.
• 7:39:35
  Seriously. I did.
• 7:39:36
  I did want to ask Smokey a question.
• 7:39:38
  Yeah, yes, please. Yeah, blood.
• 7:39:39
  Go ahead. So I joined after you posted you
• 7:39:45
  linked or you pinned the the comment.
• 7:39:49
  You know whichever version of God you believe in, you can
• 7:39:52
  disprove the existence, right? Yeah.
• 7:39:56
  So I wanted to see if so, me and you have had some God.
• 7:40:04
  If you, I swear to God knew me one more time.
• 7:40:08
  You will just be gone. You can go try and irritate Dave
• 7:40:10
  one more time. What?
• 7:40:11
  I just coughed. What are you talking about?
• 7:40:13
  You and you not even your wife. And you're not going to try and
• 7:40:17
  replace your boredom of your pathetic, worthless existence by
• 7:40:20
  coming around here and feeding? I just coughed.
• 7:40:23
  What is wrong with you motherfucker?
• 7:40:28
  Mute your fucking mic. There's nothing you have to be
• 7:40:30
  saying right now anyway. I swear to fuck new me one more
• 7:40:34
  time. You show that you have no
• 7:40:36
  self-control and you can't act like any semblance of an adult
• 7:40:39
  and not actually engage in the conversation, not try to annoy,
• 7:40:42
  and anyone. You can leave.
• 7:40:43
  I have no value of you being here. 0 at all, and I don't
• 7:40:47
  think anyone else does either. You're here because you're
• 7:40:49
  desperate for attention and you're bored, which also shows
• 7:40:52
  you're a pathetic piece of shit. So shut your fucking mouth.
• 7:40:55
  Keep your mic muted until it's appropriate for you to talk.
• 7:40:58
  And if you can't figure out when it's appropriate to talk, then
• 7:41:01
  you can leave because this is a room for adults, not children
• 7:41:05
  who have no social sensibilities.
• 7:41:07
  Bond, I'm sorry, please go ahead.
• 7:41:09
  No, no, you're fine. So we've had private
• 7:41:13
  conversations. Private messages won't go into
• 7:41:17
  details on that, but at the time, the God that you were
• 7:41:28
  following believed in and trusted in the the Holy Spirit
• 7:41:33
  that was guiding you during all of those specific decisions you
• 7:41:36
  made. How would you disprove that?
• 7:41:42
  God let me. I got to mute you, buddy,
• 7:41:44
  because you got some sort of back mic.
• 7:41:47
  Thank you, Thank you. Appreciate.
• 7:41:48
  I'm so sorry, Bob, go ahead. No, no, no, that's fine.
• 7:41:52
  I was just asking like when you were giving me, how do I put
• 7:41:58
  this, the words of encouragement, the things that
• 7:42:04
  were said between us, how would you disprove the God that you
• 7:42:09
  were following during that scenario?
• 7:42:17
  That's a, that's a, that's a really good question.
• 7:42:19
  That's an interesting take because I asked that because
• 7:42:29
  during this previous, last month, three months, however
• 7:42:34
  long it's been, you know, I've been searching and, you know,
• 7:42:39
  I've been struggling with things and you know, the last messages
• 7:42:43
  I sent to you and I was encouraged and I was really, it
• 7:42:55
  was something different whenever you were speaking to me and,
• 7:43:01
  and, and I assumed that you were being led by the Holy Spirit, by
• 7:43:07
  God and in the words that you were saying, how you were
• 7:43:12
  approaching different situations.
• 7:43:15
  And which is more than any other Christian online than I've
• 7:43:23
  encountered, right? It was the most authentic, the
• 7:43:26
  most just humble and just it, it was, it was different, right?
• 7:43:36
  And so now I've just been kind of watching what's occurring and
• 7:43:40
  I'm, and I'm interested because you pose the question, whatever
• 7:43:44
  God you believe in, you can disprove and challenge you.
• 7:43:49
  But I'm curious, how would you disprove the God that you were
• 7:44:00
  following in the Holy Spirit that was guiding you during
• 7:44:04
  those times? That's interesting.
• 7:44:08
  That's an interesting question. I wasn't actually expecting to
• 7:44:11
  get that type of challenge today.
• 7:44:13
  I actually really figured there was everyone was going to come
• 7:44:16
  in and it was going to be Calvinism and Armenianism and
• 7:44:21
  you know, and free grace and the free grace God and Catholic God
• 7:44:25
  and Orthodox God. We got a little bit of, you
• 7:44:27
  know, a good chunk of that today.
• 7:44:29
  That's the first time I got that, you know, kind of direct
• 7:44:33
  right at the heart of that kind of question.
• 7:44:35
  I actually wasn't expecting to get that kind of questions.
• 7:44:37
  They bond, to be completely honest with you, this was not a
• 7:44:42
  really, I was expecting everyone to come and give me their own.
• 7:44:44
  No, I mean you, you, yeah, I mean, yeah, you've kind of
• 7:44:49
  forced me to have to really kind of self reflect almost because
• 7:44:54
  I'll be honest, like you, you showed me you and Lo have showed
• 7:44:59
  me some things just with all of this that I hadn't really seen
• 7:45:08
  or experienced. And so I'm curious as can you or
• 7:45:17
  would you or are you able to reflect on that time period and,
• 7:45:25
  and disprove and say that you were, you know, disprove that
• 7:45:29
  God or, you know, whatever. Yeah, No, I, I, I, I get what
• 7:45:34
  you're saying. And I think that is actually
• 7:45:38
  probably in some level core to the self reflection that part of
• 7:45:41
  this has brought to me too, because I think that is actually
• 7:45:44
  the very thing that is the core question about this, isn't it?
• 7:45:47
  Like, I mean, I can believe that there's a God that isn't on
• 7:45:53
  board with all the moral deviancy and nonsense and all
• 7:45:57
  the Christian confusion. I know that God isn't the author
• 7:46:00
  of confusion. Where there's a bunch of
• 7:46:01
  confusion, God probably isn't, you know, they're working that
• 7:46:05
  or using his Holy Spirit. I look for some sort of cohesion
• 7:46:08
  or, you know, coherence or synergy or something.
• 7:46:12
  And, and I've struggled. I think it's some intrinsic
• 7:46:15
  level to notice that that thing that I feel like should be at
• 7:46:19
  some level manifest if the Holy Spirit has any power at all,
• 7:46:23
  with a bunch of people who just have to have, you know, a
• 7:46:28
  suspension of disbelief of a certain historical factoid.
• 7:46:31
  I'm finding a disconnect. I'm finding a real, true
• 7:46:35
  intrinsic disconnect of what basically, essentially reality
• 7:46:40
  would entail to be what it should be, what it should be
• 7:46:44
  manifesting to be, and what I actually see.
• 7:46:46
  As if. If what the Bible's
• 7:46:48
  communicating is really true at its core, then this mental state
• 7:46:59
  of recognition of God should be enough to welcome in the Holy
• 7:47:04
  Spirit to work in people's lives.
• 7:47:06
  But if so, then how is there so much of this intrinsic confusion
• 7:47:12
  amongst these believers that all have done the bare minimum that
• 7:47:17
  is claimed to have acquisition of the Holy Spirit?
• 7:47:21
  You know, And how are so many that affirm the nature of
• 7:47:25
  Christ, His work, His deity, who He is, can be so seemingly all,
• 7:47:31
  each of them in their own way, resistant to the truth, unable
• 7:47:36
  to find any synergy in the body of Christ.
• 7:47:39
  And I look at this and I can't help but wonder for myself, did
• 7:47:45
  I get it wrong? And The thing is like, even if
• 7:47:48
  there is such a thing as the Holy Spirit or God or whatever,
• 7:47:53
  I mean, He can use any of us, evil or otherwise, you know,
• 7:47:58
  believer or otherwise. So it doesn't necessarily mean
• 7:48:02
  we're saved. And just because the Holy
• 7:48:04
  Spirit's someone thinks or sees or perceives or believes that
• 7:48:10
  the Holy Spirit is working on my life or leading through me.
• 7:48:15
  I mean, that's then that's for you, for you to see that.
• 7:48:20
  I have to be able to see it for it to be meaningful to me.
• 7:48:24
  And I see people like Kenneth Copeland and Joel Osteen and oh,
• 7:48:29
  look at these wonderful men of God so promoted and held up and
• 7:48:33
  look at how the Spirit is moving through them and working their
• 7:48:37
  ministry. And these people are fucking
• 7:48:38
  demons. But you got no shortage of
• 7:48:40
  people that are willing to claim, look at the mighty Holy
• 7:48:44
  Spirit's work on these men's lives and they're, they're
• 7:48:46
  fucking demons. And so many people are deluded
• 7:48:50
  by that. So I mean, at this point, it's
• 7:48:53
  almost where I look at it and I think which Holy Spirit, which
• 7:48:59
  you know, what, what, what, which Holy Spirit is promoting
• 7:49:05
  the right gospel. Where is why is it that a fake
• 7:49:09
  Holy Spirit that would lead someone like Kenneth Copeland or
• 7:49:14
  Joel Osteen has more power to be more wide reaching, to be more
• 7:49:20
  powerful towards bringing people to a false belief than the power
• 7:49:24
  of the one true actual Holy Spirit God?
• 7:49:27
  How is the true Holy Spirit being overpowered in all of his
• 7:49:33
  glory and might by these fake spirits?
• 7:49:37
  And this is the challenge for me.
• 7:49:39
  So if there's any sense of defeater or answer to give you
• 7:49:43
  in that way, it kind of for me right now is revolving around
• 7:49:47
  this. Is that it?
• 7:49:49
  It's still almost like a state of plausible deniability that
• 7:49:53
  these manifestations and these things, there's no consistency
• 7:49:57
  to it. It's not like I can look at
• 7:49:59
  someone doing well and just assume that the Holy Spirit is
• 7:50:03
  working through them or that there's an anecdotal testimony
• 7:50:06
  that necessarily verifies. It's just it's all too mish
• 7:50:10
  mashed and nonsensical that millions of people can be like,
• 7:50:16
  Yep, Joel Osteen is being moved so great by the Holy Spirit.
• 7:50:18
  Well, I mean, I don't even think anyone in this room believes
• 7:50:22
  that, you know, but millions of people do.
• 7:50:26
  So what does that even mean? Like what?
• 7:50:28
  I mean, which Holy Spirit do you go what I'm saying?
• 7:50:30
  Yeah, Yeah. No, I get what you're saying
• 7:50:31
  that How would you relate all of that to the scripture that talks
• 7:50:36
  about the road is narrow versus why?
• 7:50:42
  That's a frustrating thing about it too, isn't it?
• 7:50:45
  Yeah. I mean, you know, you wonder,
• 7:50:47
  right? Like, how narrow?
• 7:50:49
  Yeah, Like how narrow. Why?
• 7:50:51
  Why does it seem like you're doing this thing?
• 7:50:55
  And then you have all of these people just coming at you and
• 7:51:01
  disagreeing with you and just throwing shit at you and just
• 7:51:05
  like saying you're damned to hell.
• 7:51:09
  You're all of this. And the scripture says the
• 7:51:12
  road's narrow. All of these people are doing is
• 7:51:17
  you get some of those people who almost use that as a method to
• 7:51:21
  justify. They're really fringe heresy,
• 7:51:24
  you know, like a lot of something that's really like way
• 7:51:26
  off the wall and nutty and they're condemning everyone to
• 7:51:29
  hell and, you know, like Westborough or something like
• 7:51:32
  that, you know what I mean? And and they, they like get
• 7:51:35
  verified because they're like, oh, well, the narrow road and
• 7:51:38
  only few will find it. And we must be that remnant.
• 7:51:42
  And we're the ones that got it right.
• 7:51:43
  Like some of these cults almost use it as a rallying cry that
• 7:51:47
  like the road is narrow. And I've always hoped that the
• 7:51:51
  road was wider than whatever it actually was, you know, that
• 7:51:55
  there would be more mercy rather than last mercy.
• 7:51:59
  That's really how I operated my whole life.
• 7:52:01
  That was always my my. Listen, Monkey, I don't want to
• 7:52:05
  interrupt, but I'm not going to condemn you, OK?
• 7:52:08
  I'm just going to remind you, OK?
• 7:52:11
  Listen to me. He who is in me is greater than
• 7:52:14
  he who is in the. I actually have no value for
• 7:52:18
  any. Yeah, I appreciate you just get
• 7:52:21
  wrecked. Yeah.
• 7:52:22
  I mean, because it it it seems like you have this plethora of
• 7:52:31
  people just coming at you online for whatever reason, at the
• 7:52:35
  believers, not believers, whatever.
• 7:52:39
  It's all the whatever. They're all.
• 7:52:41
  I just missed the wisdom of new me.
• 7:52:42
  I'm sorry. Go ahead.
• 7:52:44
  No, he's in the back. I just didn't want to interrupt
• 7:52:47
  the conversation. I know.
• 7:52:48
  I saw that. I just got back home.
• 7:52:50
  I heard him say something goofy and then.
• 7:52:53
  Yeah. I mean, I'm just speaking from
• 7:52:55
  personal experience. No, I get it, man.
• 7:52:57
  I'm not. You know, here's the thing, man,
• 7:52:59
  I'm not doing this to try and bankrupt anyone's faith
• 7:53:02
  necessarily right now. But I will tell you this.
• 7:53:06
  I'm burnt out. A lot of the bullshit, I doubt
• 7:53:10
  Christianity, not so much just because of the Christians, but
• 7:53:12
  because really truly, intrinsically at some level,
• 7:53:14
  like I'm losing faith even in the existence of the Holy Spirit
• 7:53:18
  himself. Like I'm like, and it's, it's
• 7:53:20
  kind of a package deal. You know what I mean?
• 7:53:23
  Like this is, you know, because I, here's the thing, I can
• 7:53:28
  entertain all kinds that you know, I promise you, any of you
• 7:53:32
  guys that think you got some sort of proof or justification
• 7:53:35
  for Christian, I promise you I can torpedo it.
• 7:53:37
  I mean, here, here's my only thing is like if you'll just
• 7:53:41
  take some time to reflect and review whatever was leading you
• 7:53:50
  to make the decisions and actions that you made between me
• 7:53:54
  and you during that whole time. Whatever LED you to decide to go
• 7:54:02
  one way versus the other, when all else said, go this specific
• 7:54:10
  way, right? But you go the other way.
• 7:54:15
  I just encourage you to reflect on that and think on it,
• 7:54:19
  meditate on it, pray on it, whatever needs to be done.
• 7:54:23
  And if you can disprove that God or whatever it was that led you
• 7:54:33
  there, I would like to hear how you disprove that, that, you
• 7:54:41
  know, the last prayer I said was for you.
• 7:54:44
  And, you know, that I appreciate that I I more than words can
• 7:54:54
  describe. I appreciate that because like
• 7:54:59
  the last messages I sent to you, I was in yeah, I was just
• 7:55:05
  wrecked, you know? And so I just encourage you to
• 7:55:13
  explore that and if you can disprove or debunk whatever was
• 7:55:22
  leading you to those decisions that you made and the words that
• 7:55:28
  you said, and it doesn't have to be on live stream.
• 7:55:32
  You can be private, whatever. I, you know, if you can do that,
• 7:55:37
  I'd like to hear the rebuttals to that because I don't I'm not
• 7:55:47
  how to put this. I'm not convinced that you can
• 7:55:52
  disprove that God that you were following and that you're
• 7:55:57
  worshipping and that you are committed to during this entire
• 7:56:02
  thing. Well, I actually do appreciate
• 7:56:08
  that bond. That's probably one of the more
• 7:56:11
  impactful moments of the day for me.
• 7:56:13
  So I do appreciate that. Thank you for taking the time to
• 7:56:17
  relay that, and I will give it some thought.
• 7:56:21
  So, yeah, thank you for giving that to me.
• 7:56:24
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 7:56:26
  Bond has really brought a lot of substance to today, that's for
• 7:56:28
  sure. Sorry, Dave.
• 7:56:36
  Welcome. I'm good.
• 7:56:37
  I just got back. I was, man, I was working hard
• 7:56:39
  and I just got in and I was hardly working.
• 7:56:43
  Oh man, I wish I was doing what you were doing today, actually,
• 7:56:47
  even on my day off. I set the camera up so my lady
• 7:56:56
  could watch me chop trees down. I dropped about 10 trees today.
• 7:56:59
  They were real big. Are you going to put on?
• 7:57:02
  They were only about 40. They were only about 40 footers,
• 7:57:04
  maybe 50. Not that high.
• 7:57:14
  Oh, good. Yeah, they were.
• 7:57:15
  They were. Yeah.
• 7:57:16
  They might have been even more than that.
• 7:57:18
  My trees are tall around here. They might have.
• 7:57:21
  They were 50 footers, Sir, easy 5060 feet, but they were skinny.
• 7:57:31
  They were popples. You know, I think a certain
• 7:57:35
  amount of resting in Christ should be thought we can relax.
• 7:57:42
  I spent the whole last year actually, like completely
• 7:57:45
  removed from any YouTube community, any Discord
• 7:57:48
  community, anything that wasn't a real life community for this
• 7:57:51
  exact reason. And it was great.
• 7:57:54
  I just recently decided to come back into this community.
• 7:57:57
  I guess you could say. I'm just saying, you know, like,
• 7:58:08
  oh Jesus, I come as, how do you say it?
• 7:58:10
  Come aside and rest a while. Let me look that up real quick
• 7:58:13
  here. Decker Cain said the same from
• 7:58:16
  Diablo. Stay a while, rest a while or
• 7:58:18
  something like that. Yeah, I don't know.
• 7:58:21
  I'm on Diablo. Yeah.
• 7:58:22
  Mark 631. You started to come eat
• 7:58:24
  yourselves apart into a desert place and rest a while.
• 7:58:27
  For there were many coming and going and they had no leisure so
• 7:58:30
  much as to eat. It's just, you know what I mean.
• 7:58:33
  I'm not pulling back from the, you know, whatever.
• 7:58:39
  I'm just saying you're right, man.
• 7:58:41
  It's it's important to rest in the Lord.
• 7:58:44
  When Sammy came over here to visit me for the first time,
• 7:58:49
  Sammy's the type of guy. See, not everybody's like that
• 7:58:51
  probably, too, but we're kind of two Midwestern guys and we know
• 7:58:54
  how to just shut the switch off and sit there and fish, you know
• 7:58:57
  what I mean? Yeah, man, I'm a East Coast guy,
• 7:59:02
  but yeah, I can relate to that. Just go outside, put some grass,
• 7:59:05
  cut some trees, do something, do some push ups.
• 7:59:08
  I know Newmi knows a lot about resting, so he kind of is the
• 7:59:11
  resting expert, though. All he does is rest.
• 7:59:16
  You got to get a little more active.
• 7:59:17
  Newmi, do some push ups. I challenge you right now if you
• 7:59:20
  can do 50 push ups, I'll do 100. You want to challenge me?
• 7:59:26
  Can you do 100 push ups in a row?
• 7:59:29
  Yeah, I can. Well, okay, maybe I'll hit like
• 7:59:31
  75 and be like, this is yeah, yeah.
• 7:59:34
  But typically, typically, So typically 65 to 7080 is when the
• 7:59:42
  lactic acid starts to get up and you start like, but if NUMA can
• 7:59:46
  do 50, I can do a hundred. OK, NUMA can do about 3.
• 7:59:51
  What about sit ups? How many can you do on sit ups?
• 7:59:54
  I'll do the sit ups, I'll do the push ups.
• 7:59:57
  Sit ups. I don't know, maybe maybe I
• 7:59:59
  could get 100 sit ups. Gave us a very good point here
• 8:00:02
  about resting. I forgot.
• 8:00:06
  I forgot who Universal Artists and is.
• 8:00:10
  Dave, I like your point about resting in the Lord.
• 8:00:12
  That's very important. Actually, I'm not.
• 8:00:14
  I'm actually astonished he said that.
• 8:00:18
  Why never. I was resting in the Lord today
• 8:00:21
  when I was chopping them trees down, you know, I know what
• 8:00:25
  would be with your woman watching.
• 8:00:27
  Yeah, that was perfect rest. And I was exerting every, every
• 8:00:30
  muscle in my body probably to do everything that I was doing.
• 8:00:34
  I, I told, I told Smokey, stop interrupting.
• 8:00:40
  OK, He's going to put you in the background.
• 8:00:43
  I've never done 50 push ups or not.
• 8:00:47
  Not 50 push ups, not I've never done 50 sit ups.
• 8:00:51
  Listen to this. OK, after a 7 hour stream, this
• 8:00:54
  is the conclusion that I, I came up with.
• 8:00:57
  He who is in me is greater than he who is in the world.
• 8:01:03
  OK. And if we, if we are rested in
• 8:01:05
  the Lord, we, we remind ourselves that it doesn't matter
• 8:01:10
  what you or she said. Are you listening, smoking?
• 8:01:16
  He who within you is greater than he who is in the world.
• 8:01:24
  Did any, did any Christian remind you of that?
• 8:01:27
  Where does it say that again? It says it, Dave.
• 8:01:34
  It says it right in there. Right in there.
• 8:01:38
  What page? It's in there.
• 8:01:41
  I mean, you're not. Flip the book.
• 8:01:45
  Can you fight your sources? It's King James version.
• 8:01:52
  Look it up. I'm going to check the Korean
• 8:01:55
  version. Yeah.
• 8:01:56
  Where is that? We're as greater as needed as in
• 8:01:58
  here than he that is in the world.
• 8:02:00
  Flip to the middle somewhere. I know the point he's getting
• 8:02:04
  at. He's not necessarily wrong.
• 8:02:07
  See, Dave is obsessed with, like, exactly where it is.
• 8:02:12
  Remember where it is. I know.
• 8:02:14
  I know it off by heart, Dave. I don't need to look it up.
• 8:02:18
  OK. And if you're reminded of that,
• 8:02:21
  you know, Brandon was right when he said you and Smokey are, you
• 8:02:27
  know, question. Questioning your faith, you
• 8:02:29
  know, questioning your faith, you will never question your
• 8:02:32
  faith if you remember that he who was in you is greater than
• 8:02:36
  he who was in the world. That's not true.
• 8:02:39
  It is true. It that that that helps you
• 8:02:42
  overcome everything. I mean, you're right, but but
• 8:02:45
  newly, come on, man. Everyone that goes through a
• 8:02:48
  hard time will question their faith.
• 8:02:50
  Yes, but if you remember that, if you remember that because
• 8:02:53
  that's what helped me get through the rough times.
• 8:02:56
  OK, if you remember that and and and how do you remember that?
• 8:02:59
  By resting in the Lord. OK, be patient.
• 8:03:03
  You don't have all the answers. You're not wrong on that.
• 8:03:08
  You just have a very poor way of communicating it.
• 8:03:10
  And that that's what I tried to say the whole day and this guy's
• 8:03:15
  Smokey Saints dumbass. He had me blocked the whole day
• 8:03:20
  and not not a single Christian the whole day reminded you guys
• 8:03:25
  the power, the power in the word.
• 8:03:31
  Exactly. If you got it, you're finally
• 8:03:35
  living it. Amen.
• 8:03:38
  Sometimes it's better to let the host of the show just get it all
• 8:03:41
  out rather than interrupting the host is is like clogged up with
• 8:03:49
  all these thoughts in his head. Sometimes you got to help a
• 8:03:52
  brother out, you know, and clear things up for him.
• 8:03:56
  Today. I can count about 10 people that
• 8:03:58
  try to help him today. And it accomplished nothing.
• 8:04:02
  That's what I'm saying. Now everybody says knew me this
• 8:04:05
  knew me that nobody, no scholar, no, no theologian, nobody.
• 8:04:10
  The whole day reminded Smokey that he who is in me is greater
• 8:04:15
  than he who is in the world. Think about that.
• 8:04:18
  Smokey will have to go through this alone or with his wife.
• 8:04:22
  It doesn't matter what he said she said.
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  I looked it up on YouTube. I looked up Smokey St. exposed.
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  There's tons of people exposing. So have I.
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  OK, exactly. So the point is, he who is in me
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  is greater than he who is in the world.
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  OK, done. That's it.
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  Done. And if you remember that you're
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  going to watch some old Oral Roberts films when he was
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  walking in and they started the TV show way back in the 70s and
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  80s. Seventy seconds new me.
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  How many push ups can you do in a row in a row?
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  I've never tried that. Never non-stop.
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  You have it. Get on the ground, do some push
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  ups and see how many you can do in non-stop.
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  Who's the guy that can do to a lot of push ups?
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  Again, I forgot Oh, I can, but I'm not going to get on Cam and
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  do it unless new. I mean, I can do like you want
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  to have a push up contest with me?
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  Not right now. I'm Oh no, no, Dave, Dave, I
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  know you can do some push ups. I will join that sit up thing.
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  We all do the push ups back back in the day.
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  I say back in the day is like 3 or 4 years ago.
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  I could do I could do a good amount.
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  I actually want some free protein powder because I beat
• 8:05:39
  the like, there was this challenge, right?
• 8:05:41
  I went into the supplement store and we were going to get some
• 8:05:47
  some supplements and the dude was like, hey man, you can get
• 8:05:51
  some protein powder for free If you can beat me in push ups.
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  I was like, all right, cool, let's do it.
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  And I beat them. But I mean, on average, most
• 8:06:01
  people let me see what Joe Rogan does.
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  Do a video on him. I think Joe Rogan did some push
• 8:06:06
  ups on a on a Joe Rogan, you do some push ups.
• 8:06:09
  Let me see at one point I was trying to make about push ups is
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  the fact that Newby doesn't even respect his body.
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  That's why he can't respect anyone else.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it, it takes like, yeah, I
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  mean, that's yeah, that that's clear.
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  Like I, I think you you let you get summer off actually, so I'm
• 8:06:28
  a little. Oh, he goes pretty fast.
• 8:06:30
  Wow, Joe real, real quick, Joe. He does a narrower grip, though.
• 8:06:35
  I haven't had. This is all riveting
• 8:06:38
  conversation about bodybuilding, but UA has not come in a stream
• 8:06:43
  in a hot minute. I haven't had direct interaction
• 8:06:47
  with him for a while, and I imagine he's specifically to
• 8:06:49
  talk to me. Am I right about that?
• 8:06:51
  UA? Yeah, actually.
• 8:06:55
  All right, gentlemen, bear with me.
• 8:06:57
  I'm going to move everyone to the back.
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  And especially since we haven't had the chance for a direct
• 8:07:02
  conversation, probably, I think a hot minute it meant probably
• 8:07:06
  been quite a few years. I think almost.
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  Yeah. Yeah, it's been a couple years
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  for sure. Yeah, it's been a while.
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  So I wanted to give you the chance to come in.
• 8:07:14
  I know you're a busy guy too, so appreciate you coming in and
• 8:07:18
  saying hi. If you wanted to say anything to
• 8:07:19
  me directly, I wanted to give you the room so you had the
• 8:07:21
  chance to. I appreciate it, man.
• 8:07:25
  Yeah, you kind of caught me a little off guard because I just
• 8:07:27
  got off a 12 hour shift. So I already landed on this,
• 8:07:34
  right? Yeah.
• 8:07:35
  What what what was that? And then you landed on this.
• 8:07:38
  Sorry. It was a good, good ice meal on
• 8:07:40
  the cake of the day, right? Yeah, during my breaks at work,
• 8:07:43
  I saw the stream because I, I think it's been going on like 8
• 8:07:46
  hours or so. Yeah.
• 8:07:47
  Yeah, about that. 8 hours and 7 minutes and 46 seconds.
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  Yep. Yeah.
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  So I, I tried to put my two cents in chat, but you know how
• 8:07:54
  that goes. Oh sure.
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  And I didn't have time, you know, to join or anything.
• 8:07:58
  That's good, buddy. I I get it.
• 8:08:00
  I I know you're a busy guy, but yeah, the so basically the the
• 8:08:05
  way that I wanted to present this is how do I go about
• 8:08:15
  describing it? It it's basically a hypothetical
• 8:08:21
  scenario that proves that physicalism is incorrect.
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  OK, so if you can picture 2 identical brains and basically
• 8:08:33
  that's all they are just brains, brains in a VAT.
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  And the only output that they have are numeric outputs.
• 8:08:41
  So you can give it, you can give them a math problem and all they
• 8:08:44
  give you is a sum. Now, what physical fact would
• 8:08:52
  you appeal to to know what type of addition they use to get the
• 8:08:58
  sum? So you're saying like, how would
• 8:09:04
  you be able to quantify the mental processes that get to the
• 8:09:08
  conclusion? Pretty much, yeah.
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  So if I give one brain a math problem in addition and then or
• 8:09:18
  I I give one brain a math problem, it does it in addition
• 8:09:22
  and it comes up with the right answer.
• 8:09:24
  But then the other brain does it in some made-up math
• 8:09:27
  incorrectly, but somehow comes up with the correct answer.
• 8:09:31
  What physical fact would you appeal to to know what rule was
• 8:09:39
  used? Now there are two identical
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  brains. OK, so it's logically sound.
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  Well, it makes you well, I, I guess that the query then,
• 8:09:54
  because we don't really have a frame of reference in the
• 8:09:56
  physical world to reference to absolutely identical brains in
• 8:09:59
  terms of complete and utter, you know, cloning structure of the
• 8:10:02
  same, you know, everything, you know, I mean, even if you have
• 8:10:06
  the instances of twins, you have, you know, different
• 8:10:08
  dynamics of Physiology that can alter a little minutiae inside
• 8:10:13
  the brain here and there between 1:00 or the other, including
• 8:10:16
  even developmental or or nurturing components that might
• 8:10:19
  alter someone's brain development or, or something of
• 8:10:22
  the like, including even how they're treated.
• 8:10:25
  So we wouldn't have anything to reference in terms of two
• 8:10:27
  identical brains. That's the type, not the type of
• 8:10:29
  thing that like we have a reference point inside the
• 8:10:31
  natural world for. So the kind of ascertain
• 8:10:35
  hypothetical of the idea that both could, you know, have
• 8:10:39
  different conclusions when we don't know, we can't have any
• 8:10:42
  reference point of two absolutely identical brains to
• 8:10:44
  do. We're kind of just assuming kind
• 8:10:47
  of begging the question that they would necessarily, you
• 8:10:50
  know, use different processes. If they are indeed the identical
• 8:10:53
  brain. I think that's a little bit of a
• 8:10:55
  little bit of a leak assuming they are absolutely identical in
• 8:10:58
  every way like you're saying, right?
• 8:11:00
  Well, basically it's just a logical probability.
• 8:11:05
  Essentially what I mean to say is, is, is it's not, it's not
• 8:11:12
  out of, but if you, if you would assume it's, it's basically the
• 8:11:15
  same identical brain in every way possible shape and form,
• 8:11:18
  just a carbon copy of the other. I don't know why you would
• 8:11:21
  assume that they would use different processes to come to.
• 8:11:27
  Well, that's what I'm saying. What physical fact could you,
• 8:11:30
  what physical fact could you appeal to, to determine that
• 8:11:33
  they use different processes? Well, it would probably have to
• 8:11:38
  be just the the state of affairs of the natural world that just
• 8:11:42
  happened to manifest this way. You know how to manifest a
• 8:11:46
  different way with a different dynamic or different balance,
• 8:11:49
  Then such a thing would have a different manifestation value,
• 8:11:53
  would have a different instantiation.
• 8:11:55
  But this happens to be the deck of reality that was dealt.
• 8:11:59
  So this is how it manifests. And I know that's kind of a
• 8:12:03
  circular argument, but so is, you know, the justification for
• 8:12:07
  the existence of a creator being part of it.
• 8:12:09
  So well, well, essentially all, all that I set out to do is
• 8:12:13
  prove that physical facts are underdetermined because it in
• 8:12:17
  that scenario, you can't appeal to a physical fact.
• 8:12:21
  You have to appeal to something made-up or something that
• 8:12:24
  deviates from the hypothetical. I think it's by my issue is that
• 8:12:31
  it's a physical fact for a hypothetical that doesn't seem
• 8:12:34
  part of a possible world in our in our What's impossible about
• 8:12:39
  two identity. Yeah, well, exactly the idea of
• 8:12:42
  having 2 completely absolutely. I mean the nature of the
• 8:12:45
  universe itself in terms of, you know, randomness,
• 8:12:48
  unpredictability, atrophy, entropy, all of these components
• 8:12:52
  that add these dynamics into whether or not something can
• 8:12:55
  actually ever be a true exact replica carbon copy of the
• 8:12:58
  other. You're assuming that basically
• 8:13:01
  we could have a possible universe where that would happen
• 8:13:03
  to begin with. It's kind of begging that
• 8:13:04
  question to begin with. And then on top of that, you're
• 8:13:08
  kind of assuming that two things identical would have different
• 8:13:11
  outputs or processes, which I that I don't understand.
• 8:13:14
  If I, if I built a computer and I built the exact same computer
• 8:13:18
  identically right next to it, all the same components, all the
• 8:13:21
  same programming, wiring, everything, it's just a carbon
• 8:13:23
  copy of of the other one. Then when I load a process into
• 8:13:27
  it to function, I have every expectation that they're both
• 8:13:29
  going to process it exactly the same way.
• 8:13:31
  So I don't know where this comes from assuming this kind of
• 8:13:36
  natural randomness dynamic to it.
• 8:13:39
  Well, well, essentially what I do is I'll skip forward.
• 8:13:43
  I, I tie it to things like The Big Bang.
• 8:13:48
  And when something, when an agent uses a method to create by
• 8:13:59
  appealing to those physical facts, we can't derive that
• 8:14:03
  method, which means ultimately we're stuck.
• 8:14:09
  So are you talking about the reality are you getting?
• 8:14:12
  Are you kind of getting at the rules of reality being non
• 8:14:15
  physical, therefore transcendental, therefore step
• 8:14:18
  horse is that kind of where it's going?
• 8:14:20
  It's kind of like a transcendental argument type
• 8:14:22
  thing essentially. Yeah.
• 8:14:25
  Well, I mean, I could take a nominal.
• 8:14:27
  I'm not going to be a cunt. I mean, I could take a
• 8:14:29
  nominalist position and just deny that they're a toll, that
• 8:14:34
  they actually exist. It's really just us predicating
• 8:14:37
  and giving them value. But I don't really believe that
• 8:14:40
  that would be dishonest. I think that's ridiculous.
• 8:14:42
  I think our minds operate not on prescriptive, but on descriptive
• 8:14:47
  sets. So we only describe the
• 8:14:50
  universe. We don't predicate it, nor do we
• 8:14:52
  create it by defining it. So, so I'm not in that mindset.
• 8:14:57
  Honestly, I don't think that's coherent.
• 8:14:59
  I don't think that makes sense. So I'm not going to be a bitch
• 8:15:02
  about it, but go ahead. No, no, no.
• 8:15:07
  All I was going to say is, is what?
• 8:15:09
  How do you think that everything started well?
• 8:15:20
  I think at this stage right now, I'm willing to rest in the
• 8:15:25
  minutiae of plausible deniability of any possible
• 8:15:28
  explanation. And I now I say that
• 8:15:31
  temperamentally because right now I rest in the level of
• 8:15:37
  trying to reconcile the idea that there could be a God that
• 8:15:42
  just doesn't give a shit, or there is just a set of universal
• 8:15:50
  constants that work together that couldn't possibly be any
• 8:15:56
  other way, that are necessarily determined by each other.
• 8:15:59
  Because if they weren't, then they wouldn't be coherent.
• 8:16:02
  So there must be some sort of dynamic.
• 8:16:05
  Now the claim is it could be a God, It could be a mind.
• 8:16:07
  I'm not willing to discount that all together.
• 8:16:10
  I'm a little cracked in terms of this whole Christian deity thing
• 8:16:15
  at this point, but the idea of a God that doesn't give a shit
• 8:16:19
  about reality is certainly seemingly perfectly feasible.
• 8:16:24
  On top of the idea that we could be dealing with something like a
• 8:16:27
  transcendental constant that just so happens to be in and of
• 8:16:31
  itself a plurality of constants. So much like we are made-up of
• 8:16:36
  atoms and matter and things and add up to equal something that
• 8:16:41
  exists and is coherent, such could be the nature of reality
• 8:16:45
  itself. Right, Right.
• 8:16:52
  OK. And I mean, we must first, of
• 8:16:55
  course, really affirm that these transcendentals are really
• 8:17:00
  transcendentals and not just manifestations or byproducts of
• 8:17:07
  a physical universe. Like where a Christian might say
• 8:17:10
  the trans and dentals must be pre accident to the universe.
• 8:17:15
  They could also possibly just be a byproduct of it, right?
• 8:17:20
  Right. So so basically you're saying
• 8:17:22
  because of, you know, the state of the world and the people in
• 8:17:26
  it, it's caused you to pretty much, I don't see, I don't see,
• 8:17:36
  I don't see this supposedly really powerful, really caring,
• 8:17:41
  really loving, working Holy Spirit happening.
• 8:17:44
  The the things that I would expect scripture to basically
• 8:17:47
  promise that should be here, some sort of anchor point or
• 8:17:50
  protection over doctrine or protection over the church or
• 8:17:54
  something. I see none of that.
• 8:17:55
  I I see basically what is a whole bunch of spirits that are
• 8:17:59
  not holy who seemingly have been able to very successfully
• 8:18:02
  overpower the Holy Spirit to the cost and detriment of God knows
• 8:18:07
  how many souls. And you know, supposedly this
• 8:18:10
  Holy Spirit is more powerful than any other spirit, and yet
• 8:18:15
  it fails so prolifically at being able to do it's one thing,
• 8:18:19
  it's promise, which is to lead people to all truth and seems to
• 8:18:22
  be overpowered by every other deviant lesser spirit out there.
• 8:18:27
  So like when I read the Bible, I'm having a hard time
• 8:18:30
  reconciling the lack of power of this entity that is supposedly
• 8:18:35
  the most power and powerful in the universe, especially when it
• 8:18:38
  comes to changing hearts, Right, right.
• 8:18:41
  So, so when you, you've read Revelation, I know you have
• 8:18:46
  sure. When, when it goes into
• 8:18:51
  describing what the end times will be like, right?
• 8:18:54
  Do you, do you envision that and the Holy Spirit will convince
• 8:18:59
  most people or do you think that it's going to be kind of like
• 8:19:05
  we're, we're kind of circling the drain until that final day?
• 8:19:10
  You know, I, I've wondered about that myself.
• 8:19:12
  I think I've struggled in terms of wondering if, you know, by
• 8:19:16
  the time you really kind of get to like end time stuff, if like
• 8:19:21
  there's really any actual Christians left on that earth at
• 8:19:23
  all. You know, I, I, I think like
• 8:19:27
  people kind of like to read it in context of, you know, a big
• 8:19:32
  chunk of the earth is still saved or, you know, in faith or
• 8:19:35
  with the true God or something. I don't know, you know, it just
• 8:19:39
  seems and how do I even think of it now anyway?
• 8:19:44
  You know, like you get, you get all this stuff of I don't know,
• 8:19:49
  man, a promise to misery, a promise to failure, a promise to
• 8:19:53
  the church being overcome, while also the promise that the gates
• 8:19:56
  of hell will not prevail against it.
• 8:19:58
  And you know, it's just all this stuff of where supposedly we
• 8:20:02
  have this absolute, incredibly powerful, all caring, all loving
• 8:20:07
  God with the most powerful force in all of reality, the Holy
• 8:20:11
  Spirit. And it just seems crippled and
• 8:20:13
  weak. And I mean all these people
• 8:20:16
  claiming to believe and claiming to follow and.
• 8:20:19
  And look at what they do, look at how they operate, you know,
• 8:20:22
  no matter what version of the thing they hold, you know, their
• 8:20:26
  consistency isn't there. Their synergy with their fellow
• 8:20:29
  believers isn't there. I mean, even the basic commands
• 8:20:32
  like loving God, loving your neighbor, it's just, it just
• 8:20:35
  seems like an afterthought. You know, it's not really a part
• 8:20:38
  of their lives. And so where is the Holy Spirit?
• 8:20:41
  If he exists and it's so powerful, where is he in all of
• 8:20:44
  this? I just don't see it right.
• 8:20:47
  Well, I, I think sometimes we'll get caught in pockets of people
• 8:20:53
  and those pockets of people, you know, kind of reflect on us, on
• 8:20:56
  us. I think, I think sometimes it
• 8:21:00
  could be healthy to disconnect for a little while.
• 8:21:05
  You know, what I do is by the way, I do physical labor.
• 8:21:08
  But what I, what I was going to follow that up with is if the
• 8:21:14
  way that I interpreted Revelation was essentially that
• 8:21:18
  the end times are going to be pretty bad for Christians.
• 8:21:24
  And so I don't see, unless there's some sort of revival, I
• 8:21:28
  don't see things getting much better.
• 8:21:31
  So, you know, that forces us as Christians to, you know, find
• 8:21:36
  small victories and keep the faith and endure.
• 8:21:41
  And you know, what was it many podcasts ago or many live
• 8:21:47
  streams ago, you, you said something that was really
• 8:21:50
  insightful, which is, you know, imagine what, you know, the
• 8:21:55
  early Saints suffered to spread Christianity.
• 8:22:00
  You know, here I am in America, living in my house.
• 8:22:04
  You know, I got a good job, my kids are doing well.
• 8:22:07
  I've got good health and they had to die to spread the word,
• 8:22:17
  you know, literally get their heads cut off or hung on on
• 8:22:20
  crosses. So for all the pain that I see,
• 8:22:25
  you know, I try and I'm only human, but I try to, I try to
• 8:22:33
  look at that and say, OK, well, this is what's what was written
• 8:22:37
  and this is what we should expect.
• 8:22:40
  Now. Don't let it dissuade you.
• 8:22:47
  That's what it means to keep the faith, you know, you're and
• 8:22:52
  sometimes, at least in my life, I've, I've went, you know,
• 8:22:59
  extended periods of time not feeling the work of the Holy
• 8:23:03
  Spirit. But then when I least expected
• 8:23:06
  it, it just nails me right. So I kind of, you know, there's
• 8:23:14
  been times in my life where I thought I really felt it and it
• 8:23:18
  was there and I was verified and I'd see really just horrible,
• 8:23:23
  wretched people. You get rewarded and basically
• 8:23:27
  be able to claim the same thing. And I always had that tinge like
• 8:23:30
  in the back of my head, like, am I really being blessed by God?
• 8:23:34
  Or is this just some sort of coincidence that I want to
• 8:23:37
  attribute to God? Like, is this just some
• 8:23:40
  confirmation bias, you know, where I'm looking at some bit
• 8:23:43
  of, you know, good fortune or something working out and being
• 8:23:47
  like, oh, well, God did it, you know, And then I'm just, you
• 8:23:51
  know, am I really getting verification or am I just
• 8:23:56
  attributing it because I want to, because it makes me feel
• 8:24:00
  more comfortable in my belief? And how do we really test that
• 8:24:04
  at some level? Do you know, I mean, unless
• 8:24:07
  you're willing to take a step back and probably be real
• 8:24:11
  objective about it. I mean, aren't we all
• 8:24:14
  susceptible to bias based upon what we did we believe is
• 8:24:18
  comfortable or raised them or want to believe, you know, Well,
• 8:24:22
  I, I have a question then. Do you think that there are
• 8:24:25
  certain facts that we, that human beings would never be able
• 8:24:29
  to prove, facts that we as human beings will never be able to
• 8:24:34
  know? No.
• 8:24:35
  Prove. Prove.
• 8:24:38
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I believe that, yeah.
• 8:24:41
  So why do you think that God uses faith as a intermediary
• 8:24:48
  between him and us? Part of it is necessity.
• 8:24:53
  If I, and again, I'm adopting the Christian worldview for a
• 8:24:56
  minute, part of it is necessity. To be able to fully know God
• 8:25:00
  means you would have to be God. God cannot create another God.
• 8:25:04
  Therefore having someone who can fully know the full fact of the
• 8:25:08
  essence of God is literally impossible.
• 8:25:11
  This is part of, I think, the the the potency of the claim of
• 8:25:14
  Jesus being able to claim that he knows the Father, the Father
• 8:25:17
  is in him and he's in the Father.
• 8:25:18
  Such a claim, such a level of intimacy could only be had by
• 8:25:22
  someone who he himself is God, at least in that context.
• 8:25:26
  Or at least certainly that's what Jesus has claimed very
• 8:25:28
  clearly was so to the idea of any of us being able to really
• 8:25:35
  know anything. If we can't know the ultimate
• 8:25:37
  thing at any true intrinsic, you know, core level, I think is is
• 8:25:43
  probably unattainable. There are some facts, and
• 8:25:46
  particularly facts around God, His essence, His nature.
• 8:25:50
  You know, the full depth and scope of all that He is assuming
• 8:25:54
  He even exists. That He will, you know, be so
• 8:25:59
  deep and far reaching that no human being can grasp the
• 8:26:02
  entirety of the full fact that is God.
• 8:26:04
  No one, no human being will ever, ever be able to fully
• 8:26:07
  understand and encapsulate His absence in their mind.
• 8:26:11
  He's too big and too grand and too great.
• 8:26:13
  We only get basically the energies of Him, the shadows of
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  Him, the analogical representations of Him that
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  happened to filter through into our reality.
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  Assuming you should do, of course, but I, I, I completely
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  agree. Now, are there, you know,
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  physical facts like like the the beginning of the universe?
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  Do do you think we'll ever, as human beings be able to know how
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  the universe originated, like concretely, like be able to
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  prove it? Like, like no, like what what
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  process underwent to stimulate its beginning?
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  No, because that would be reaching beyond plank time, like
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  to a point where we at our level of, you know, logic and
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  perception can't see outside of a realm where there's no time.
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  We're talking about, you know, something beyond this that is
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  either a completely different kind of time space and it could
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  be geometric, which is why, you know, we could have the
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  potential existence of what is essentially a necessary universe
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  that is in some sort of geometric time loop or
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  representation that we can't really quantify or understand.
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  We simply usually as Christians assume that beyond time and
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  space is time less, but it could just as well be some other
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  version of time that happens to, you know, for instance, coalesce
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  all possible realities into the actualization of the singularity
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  that actually is possible to exist.
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  Right, right. And I, I totally agree with you,
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  but I look at that as, OK, there are certain physical facts out
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  there where as a human being, I have to, you know, kind of
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  guesstimate or, or if I want to, you know, invest myself in a
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  theory, I have to essentially make it a probable.
• 8:28:13
  It has to be a probable truth. That's true.
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  That's essentially, that's essentially what faith is.
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  So it struck me as being odd that the currency in this world
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  for certain facts is faith, and that's what God requires of us.
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  That you seem to all kind of fit together to me.
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  Now. The my my bad attempt at a
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  hypothetical earlier was basically it.
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  It's a logically possible hypothetical to to have two
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  identical brain states. Yeah, I know what you're saying.
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  The problem is the IT flows to the conclusion of what that
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  relates to though, or how that would manifest is, is to me an
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  assumption, you know, even at that point, because like it,
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  like I think the while I agree it's hypothetically, you know, a
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  possibility, all it has to have is, is all it has to have is a
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  possibility. And the the reason is, is
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  because then you can test the logic and the logic is, is 2
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  identical brain states that do math problems in different ways,
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  but give you the same output for an answer.
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  You would never be able to appeal to those physical facts
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  to right exactly. So no, I do get what you're
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  saying. No, I do understand and and it
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  is, it is at a certain level compelling.
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  Well, it's not, it's, it's basically a side note.
• 8:29:45
  The, the real currency of God is personal, you know, and, and
• 8:29:53
  people can say this to other people, but it's like an
• 8:29:56
  anecdotal experience. You know, people can tell their
• 8:30:01
  stories and other people will believe them.
• 8:30:05
  Now it so happens that in our law system, people tell stories
• 8:30:09
  and people get put to death, You know, there.
• 8:30:14
  I think we, I think that sometimes we encounter
• 8:30:21
  relationships or people we think are getting away with it.
• 8:30:27
  And all we want is justice. We want good to prevail.
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  And all I can say to you, man, is ultimately it's going to,
• 8:30:37
  it's going to, I mean, we kind of assume that though, don't we?
• 8:30:42
  I mean, there's some people that won't ever answer for what
• 8:30:47
  they've done. So so if, if so, the, the the
• 8:30:52
  prophets that are supposed to appear in Jerusalem or in Israel
• 8:30:59
  during the reign of the Antichrist right now.
• 8:31:01
  That's something is for us Christians, we're supposed to
• 8:31:04
  look for, you know, we're supposed to plan for to see it
• 8:31:11
  coming or at least try. So there there will be signs.
• 8:31:23
  I don't think it's just us believing this just to believe
• 8:31:28
  it with no evidence. Now, if you never seen that, you
• 8:31:32
  know, I'm a little temperamental about that to UA.
• 8:31:35
  And I'll, I'll tell you, one of the people that helped put a
• 8:31:38
  little bit of a crack on that on me too, was the goddamn Stas.
• 8:31:42
  Because you know, or you know, because they got a, you know,
• 8:31:45
  you'll go to an SDA and you'll be like, hey, give me one
• 8:31:50
  prophecy your prophetess got right, you know, in the SDA and
• 8:31:55
  they'll usually bring up that fucking kooky one about the twin
• 8:31:58
  towers. They like that one right?
• 8:32:01
  And I'll always point out to him, you know, here you got this
• 8:32:04
  prophecy of warning and no one, not even the SDA church was able
• 8:32:11
  to interpret it in any kind of way to actually save a single
• 8:32:15
  human soul. Sure.
• 8:32:17
  So what good was this supposed soul called prophecy?
• 8:32:21
  But they, they treat it almost like it's, you know, it's ad
• 8:32:24
  hoc, you know what I mean? Like, like after it's done, you
• 8:32:28
  can interpret it to fit almost like that Nostradamus shit, you
• 8:32:33
  know, where you know, if it's vague enough or kind of close
• 8:32:36
  enough, then you know, after the event happens and it kind of
• 8:32:40
  fits. And you know, part of my
• 8:32:41
  struggle too is that Revelation is probably the most
• 8:32:44
  controversial, confusing, vague ass book out there.
• 8:32:50
  I mean, God knows who actually got it right, you know, I sure
• 8:32:55
  as shit can't tell, I think, but I honestly think it's, it's
• 8:32:59
  worded that way so that the opposition doesn't can't get
• 8:33:02
  anything from it. You know, Hey man, that's not
• 8:33:05
  type of apologetic. I would have said back in the
• 8:33:07
  day too. I, I, I agree, 'cause we got a
• 8:33:09
  alternate possible reality, We have a reality where there are
• 8:33:13
  potential realities, non actualized reality that that
• 8:33:16
  God's aware of that are part of the dynamic of free will choice.
• 8:33:19
  That's fine, you know, that's fine for me.
• 8:33:21
  But nonetheless, in terms of like intrinsic person to person,
• 8:33:26
  individual value, like we have this book that is outrageously
• 8:33:31
  convoluted and confusing and everyone out there seems to have
• 8:33:37
  a different take and a different interpretation of it.
• 8:33:39
  And I mean, who can even really work through the the piles of
• 8:33:45
  content of interpretations of the Book of Revelation?
• 8:33:49
  I remember Doctor Hugh Ross had mentioned that he had done a
• 8:33:52
  long, at one point in time, had done this massive like 100 some
• 8:33:57
  odd hour breakdown of Revelation from every single possible angle
• 8:34:03
  with every single cross reference all throughout the
• 8:34:06
  entire Bible with all the symbolism and saying what
• 8:34:09
  everything was. Now Hugh Ross is a smart ass
• 8:34:12
  guy. He's an astrophysicist, very
• 8:34:14
  educated, very sharp, knows what he's talking about, but I don't
• 8:34:17
  even know that I trust him that he got it all right, even with
• 8:34:21
  his extended. And by the way, you can't even
• 8:34:23
  get a copy of it. There's like one church that has
• 8:34:26
  it on some website you can ask me.
• 8:34:28
  Ross. Hey, Hugh, can you give me the
• 8:34:31
  link for your, you know, your series on Revelation and he'll
• 8:34:34
  send you to some website with some church where you got to
• 8:34:38
  order like $100 CD set or something like that, some sort
• 8:34:43
  of things. We did it at this venue or so
• 8:34:44
  it's the only place you can get it.
• 8:34:46
  You know, it's hard to get, hard to find, but apparently
• 8:34:48
  extremely thorough, very in depth, something you can
• 8:34:52
  actually hold on if you can't reproduce, can't hand it out
• 8:34:54
  because it's copyrighted, but it's there, it exists.
• 8:34:58
  And he's one of the smartest guys ever, but I don't even know
• 8:35:00
  that I would trust him to necessarily have gotten it all
• 8:35:03
  right. And some of this stuff, like
• 8:35:04
  many prophecies in the Bible, which also causes me a bit of
• 8:35:07
  credulity, is that you don't even know what the fuck these
• 8:35:11
  things mean until after it happens.
• 8:35:13
  Like, you know, you read, you read Isaiah, you know, 53 and
• 8:35:17
  all that, and the promise of the sun.
• 8:35:18
  And unto us the sun is given. And it clearly is talking about
• 8:35:22
  what's happening then. And you can say, well, it's a
• 8:35:24
  layered prophecy. Some of it's talking about that
• 8:35:26
  and some of it's talking in the future.
• 8:35:28
  Well, yeah, maybe or or maybe it's just desperate special
• 8:35:33
  pleading to try and grab anything from the original text
• 8:35:36
  you can and claim it's a prophecy of something in the
• 8:35:38
  future. I mean, it's not like that's the
• 8:35:39
  first time that's ever done, you know, like, I mean, do you
• 8:35:43
  think, do you think that all of the the prophetic things in the
• 8:35:48
  Bible are, are bogus like that? Or is there one that you find
• 8:35:52
  that? Here's the thing.
• 8:35:54
  I think, you know, I think it's a type of thing where there very
• 8:35:58
  well could have been things Christ did that were I, I mean,
• 8:36:07
  I'm not stupid, I'm not fucking retarded.
• 8:36:10
  I'm not a mythicist. I, I, I'm working out this thing
• 8:36:13
  of how I'm parsing my view of Christ himself, because after
• 8:36:16
  all, he is the Crocs, right? That's really what it boils down
• 8:36:19
  to really at the end of the day. Praise was smart to come in here
• 8:36:24
  and make it about Christ when he wanted to suddenly, you know,
• 8:36:27
  when he pitched that stuff at me, that was smart.
• 8:36:29
  You know, praise gets it. You know, that's what you should
• 8:36:31
  do. This is really kind of where it
• 8:36:32
  all hinges on. But looking back at it, I mean,
• 8:36:38
  how much confidence I have in this record is in terms of, of
• 8:36:43
  the superfluous extras to it, you know, and, and potential
• 8:36:47
  religious, cultural or historical embellishments.
• 8:36:51
  It's not like there's no shortage of those.
• 8:36:53
  You know, you got the Roman Emperor Romulus or whatever
• 8:36:58
  raising people from the dead and the such.
• 8:37:00
  And even Josephus is keen to mention some of these supposed
• 8:37:02
  other characters with similar, you know, miracle type lives.
• 8:37:06
  And here we have Jesus supposedly doing these mighty
• 8:37:09
  incredible works. Not like I don't think he
• 8:37:11
  existed. I do believe he existed.
• 8:37:15
  But in terms of the potency of these works, are they what they
• 8:37:17
  are? Did they get embellished a bit
• 8:37:19
  as they were spread around and then finally made their way into
• 8:37:22
  a record? Well, I mean, you got to wonder.
• 8:37:25
  I mean, did did Romulus raise someone from the dead?
• 8:37:27
  Do you believe the story of his birth?
• 8:37:29
  And I forget how it goes, something about wolves or
• 8:37:31
  something like that. I mean, do you believe all these
• 8:37:34
  radical things because a historian wrote it down and did
• 8:37:37
  cross referencing to all these sources and figured out and
• 8:37:40
  said, well, this is what happened.
• 8:37:42
  This is what the record shows it's like.
• 8:37:44
  But for Christianity, we just kind of like we shortchange it
• 8:37:48
  in some ways it seems where like, oh, it's good enough for
• 8:37:52
  me. You know, it's like you, right,
• 8:37:54
  Right. If it when most people encounter
• 8:37:58
  trouble with something, they don't, they just will skip it
• 8:38:01
  and take something else on faith usually, right.
• 8:38:06
  So I mean, Christ's work and stuff in terms of some of his
• 8:38:10
  wisdom. I mean, granted, he, I, I won't
• 8:38:13
  disagree that Christ had a, had a lot of wise, you know,
• 8:38:17
  powerful sayings. I'm not trying to pick apart all
• 8:38:20
  that stuff right now necessarily in this stream, but it's not
• 8:38:24
  like a lot of the stuff he was saying was incredibly foreign or
• 8:38:28
  necessarily super new or certainly supposedly some of the
• 8:38:32
  things he said that were prophecies were supposedly
• 8:38:37
  special to him. But you you think Abraham, you
• 8:38:40
  think Abraham was saved, right? I mean, I think God was working
• 8:38:44
  in the world before Jesus. I've I don't have I'll be honest
• 8:38:49
  with you right now, you as I stand right here with you right
• 8:38:52
  this second, I'm not entirely sure I have sufficient reason to
• 8:38:56
  even discuss Abraham as if even was a real person to be honest
• 8:38:59
  with you. I see.
• 8:39:01
  So so I don't even know if I have sufficient was it right now
• 8:39:06
  to believe even Moses were the real person to be honest with
• 8:39:09
  you, when you when did you start losing your faith?
• 8:39:17
  I don't know. You know, probably kind of the
• 8:39:20
  tip of it was, you know, kind of dancing the edge of it over the
• 8:39:23
  last week. I'd say more than anything, I
• 8:39:26
  don't know, maybe, maybe stuff has been running through my mind
• 8:39:30
  a bit for the last month. Probably things that I've been
• 8:39:34
  reassessing that maybe I haven't thought about in a long time.
• 8:39:38
  And the last week is seeing the display of immorality and
• 8:39:42
  garbage Christianity just, you know, I think left me with a
• 8:39:46
  final state of pretty heavy disgust, you know?
• 8:39:49
  Yeah, yeah, I know. I sometimes I, I just, I mean,
• 8:39:55
  these are God's people, you know what I mean?
• 8:39:58
  Like these are, these are supposedly God's people and I'm
• 8:40:01
  supposed to commune with them and love them while they just
• 8:40:05
  stab you in the back, ask for forgiveness, stab you in the
• 8:40:07
  back, ask for and I just, I'm supposed to just deal with this
• 8:40:10
  shit, you know, until the day I breathe my last, you know, like
• 8:40:15
  all these are fucking cockroaches and I got to just
• 8:40:18
  deal with their bullshit day in and day out.
• 8:40:20
  Why? Why do I need this?
• 8:40:22
  You know, they don't fucking listen anyway, right.
• 8:40:25
  And the, you know, the the verse don't throw your pearls before
• 8:40:29
  swine. I mean, when when does that
• 8:40:31
  apply? You know, Yeah, Good question.
• 8:40:34
  You know, when do we when do we just kind of cut it off more
• 8:40:37
  like swine? That does make you wonder.
• 8:40:41
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 8:40:41
  So maybe maybe you were just hitting it too hard, you know,
• 8:40:47
  banging your head against the wall and then they convinced you
• 8:40:55
  ultimately that they're just not good people.
• 8:41:00
  Here's here's here's by the way, I just want a quick roll slide
• 8:41:03
  note here. There's this fucking Tucker
• 8:41:05
  coming in, this fucking guy, you know, this fucking guy here,
• 8:41:09
  here he is. You know, this is the guy that
• 8:41:11
  comes in and says, oh, just believe on the gospel, believe
• 8:41:15
  you have eternal life and talk in and you can never lose it.
• 8:41:18
  And he's always come in and he's got some verse he pulls up and
• 8:41:22
  leveraging. And now all of a sudden there's
• 8:41:23
  stuff we got to do beyond that. Now.
• 8:41:26
  You got it now. Welcome.
• 8:41:27
  Welcome to Lordship again, Tucker.
• 8:41:29
  You can't get your shit straight.
• 8:41:32
  Thank you for posting this and proving that indeed, again, you
• 8:41:36
  believe you have to do things after you affirm the gospel and
• 8:41:40
  believe it's true. So thank you for that.
• 8:41:43
  Thank you for post. That's a beautiful verse, by the
• 8:41:45
  way. Thank you for for proving your
• 8:41:48
  entire fucking soteriology is false.
• 8:41:51
  To me, it was. Thank you for that.
• 8:41:53
  Appreciate it. Yeah, to me, it's really easy.
• 8:41:56
  It's like, OK, God made Lucifer. Lucifer at one point believed in
• 8:42:02
  God wholeheartedly. He walked away and was cast out.
• 8:42:06
  Do you think God's justice is indifferent?
• 8:42:13
  That's all. I'm sorry.
• 8:42:15
  Ask that one more time. One more time.
• 8:42:17
  I'm sorry. Do you think God, when he doles
• 8:42:22
  out justice, is unfair? Well, how would we know if he
• 8:42:29
  was what? What standard could we acquire
• 8:42:36
  to level you level against God to claim he's unfair?
• 8:42:40
  Here's the thing, and this is part of the bitch of it does
• 8:42:43
  give us. He does give us free choice.
• 8:42:46
  Let's say you have every Christian in existence, every
• 8:42:49
  actual saved believer, right? And they all like deep down
• 8:42:55
  somewhere in their conscience beliefs, some judgement God did
• 8:42:58
  was wrong. Would that actually matter?
• 8:43:03
  Who what what standard are they going to apply to beyond God to
• 8:43:08
  apply to God? There's nothing beyond God.
• 8:43:10
  There's no no standard beyond God.
• 8:43:12
  Just God is the standard. So even if all of Christendom,
• 8:43:18
  he came to the conclusion that God was wrong about something,
• 8:43:20
  that wouldn't matter because there's nothing applied to you
• 8:43:22
  because God is the standard. So really is the standard,
• 8:43:25
  right? Yeah.
• 8:43:26
  So it makes you wonder, well, what is even the point of any
• 8:43:30
  type of perspective at our realm of morality at all or right or
• 8:43:34
  wrong at all? Because whatever, if you follow
• 8:43:38
  that piece, is whatever he says is going to be right because
• 8:43:42
  it's him and he is the standard. There's no standard beyond him.
• 8:43:44
  So even the very idea of right and wrong, I think starts to
• 8:43:50
  collapse inside Christianity because we are really are left
• 8:43:54
  with God being the only standard and all of existence could
• 8:43:59
  disagree. There's no other standard to
• 8:44:03
  appeal him to. Well, we have examples in the
• 8:44:07
  Bible that we can go off of to determine his character and what
• 8:44:12
  we think he would do. Now that's grasping because
• 8:44:16
  we're we're human beings. I will have it's a it's a start.
• 8:44:19
  I will have mercy that that's a good one, right?
• 8:44:22
  I will have mercy on who had mercy, which is basically say I
• 8:44:25
  don't have the same amount of mercy on everyone, but he's
• 8:44:28
  perfectly merciful. Supposed it's right, right.
• 8:44:32
  But I think I yeah, how can how can he be perfectly merciful if
• 8:44:39
  he gives different mercy to different people?
• 8:44:42
  How does that work? Because people make different
• 8:44:44
  choices. So people, some people need more
• 8:44:47
  than others. Well, yeah.
• 8:44:50
  OK. So does he give them, you know,
• 8:44:52
  an equivalent amount of mercy based upon their choices?
• 8:44:55
  And it's still equivalent from person to person just
• 8:44:58
  considering your choices. I would think that it's based on
• 8:45:02
  your, I think it's based on your entire being, you know, the
• 8:45:07
  troubles you have with your genetics versus your environment
• 8:45:11
  versus the choices you've made and also the choices you could
• 8:45:15
  make in the future. So I, I think it's all of it,
• 8:45:21
  But, and I and I honestly think that everyone gets the amount of
• 8:45:29
  justice they deserve or the amount of mercy they deserve.
• 8:45:37
  Yeah. I mean, I, I, I think I, I mean,
• 8:45:44
  I might be completely wrong, but I think you're, you're just
• 8:45:48
  burnout, Smokey. You're burnout.
• 8:45:51
  You're burnout from encountering too many stupid arguments.
• 8:45:56
  You're burnout from seeing all the rodent people out there.
• 8:46:03
  And, you know, you got a lot in your plate.
• 8:46:05
  You just got married. You're probably trying to plan
• 8:46:10
  for a kid. And when I had my first
• 8:46:16
  daughter, there were a lot of things going on in my head, you
• 8:46:20
  know, and this was 12 years ago. So I, you know, I asked myself,
• 8:46:28
  could, you know, is it a good thing to bring a child into the
• 8:46:33
  world, especially, you know, with the way social media is
• 8:46:39
  manipulating people now? You can see it in just how the
• 8:46:47
  culture is breaking down. At least that's the that's what
• 8:46:52
  I see. Yeah.
• 8:46:54
  I mean, the culture teach their own.
• 8:46:59
  I, I guess it's, you know, I've, I've lost a lot of faith in the
• 8:47:07
  utility of a lot of this UA that, that that's certainly a
• 8:47:10
  big part of it too, I think. And you're right, I am burnt
• 8:47:13
  out. You're not wrong.
• 8:47:14
  I am. I'm burnt out of really what I'm
• 8:47:17
  burnt out of. I'm burnt out of bullshit is
• 8:47:19
  really what it comes down to. You know, I can imagine.
• 8:47:22
  I mean, you get you get in this stuff and you give people good
• 8:47:26
  arguments and good justifications and good
• 8:47:28
  theology. They don't give a fuck.
• 8:47:30
  They don't pay attention. Supposedly they're here to
• 8:47:31
  learn. Supposedly here they're asked
• 8:47:33
  questions and figure things out, you know, have conversations and
• 8:47:37
  breakdowns and they don't actually want any of that.
• 8:47:39
  They want to come in rules. They are validate their own
• 8:47:42
  opinion. That's it.
• 8:47:44
  Yeah, the number one assumption you should have when talking to
• 8:47:47
  someone who is a YouTube is that they want to be in the
• 8:47:51
  limelight. They want to be in the
• 8:47:52
  spotlight. They want to have followers.
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  Or at least you, you have to imagine that they've thought
• 8:47:57
  about it, you know, so that's going to come down to, I don't
• 8:48:01
  want to look like a fool in front of all these people.
• 8:48:05
  So they're going to grasp at what they can, you know, they're
• 8:48:09
  going to buy into their biases. And it's just the name of the
• 8:48:14
  game, in my opinion. Now, you you might encounter,
• 8:48:16
  you know, people who are genuine, but I think for the
• 8:48:20
  most part, that's the mindset, especially when when it comes to
• 8:48:27
  religion, because you said it not too long ago, you know,
• 8:48:29
  sometimes you get like a really good feeling.
• 8:48:31
  You feel good and you think that you're, you know, you think it
• 8:48:35
  might be the Holy Spirit when you're, you know, practicing
• 8:48:40
  heresy, right? So, yeah, I totally get it.
• 8:48:47
  So if I were you, that's how I would approach it.
• 8:48:50
  And I've come to the conclusion, you know, I argued in praises
• 8:48:55
  chat constantly against OSAS. I would get booted, you know,
• 8:49:02
  get called a fucking Smokey eye, all this shit.
• 8:49:05
  And it's like, no, dude, this is logically actually what I think.
• 8:49:10
  Create a good argument. Don't just boot me out of the
• 8:49:12
  room. But it came to the point to
• 8:49:14
  where I was like, OK, you know, you got to let let it lie where
• 8:49:18
  it is. You've given your effort and
• 8:49:22
  they didn't accept it. And it sometimes it's tough, you
• 8:49:27
  know, but that would be my only advice.
• 8:49:32
  Well, I appreciate that, man. I really do.
• 8:49:35
  I mean, and I think, I think you should take some time to
• 8:49:38
  meditate, man, really look back and say, OK, these are the
• 8:49:43
  experiences I've had on Christianity.
• 8:49:45
  These are the shitty people I've met.
• 8:49:47
  These are the good people, you know, and really, really try to
• 8:49:55
  go back to why you became a Christian, why you went from
• 8:49:59
  atheism to Christianity. And, you know, I think you're
• 8:50:05
  right, man. Atheism is despair.
• 8:50:13
  It's you can see it in culture, you know, it's changing
• 8:50:17
  definitions so that a baby becomes a clump of cells.
• 8:50:24
  It moves us from our humanity and moves us into a, a mock
• 8:50:32
  version. So yeah, do me a favor.
• 8:50:39
  I've been, I've been a fan for a long time.
• 8:50:43
  I started listening to you when you were on modern day debate.
• 8:50:48
  I've been around for the whole ride, man, through Ronnie,
• 8:50:51
  through all that shit, you know what I'm saying?
• 8:50:54
  And some of it was so funny. And sometimes I was like, Dang,
• 8:50:58
  Smokey, that was harsh. But at the end of the day, I
• 8:51:02
  knew what your intention was. You know, it was to train people
• 8:51:07
  and to, you know, to stop thinking about stupid things.
• 8:51:10
  And if somebody has, you know, within them just this just a
• 8:51:15
  Shard of humility, they can take a step back and say, you know
• 8:51:19
  what, man, I'll look into that. You know, or I've never
• 8:51:22
  encountered that before or never thought about that before.
• 8:51:26
  And then, you know, you guys can mutually talk like people
• 8:51:30
  instead of what happens sometimes.
• 8:51:35
  But you know, part of it, man too, is that this started with
• 8:51:40
  me just kind of hating the label of Christian because of what
• 8:51:43
  it's turned into. And it's really caused me to
• 8:51:45
  have to also reassess the entirety of what this is even
• 8:51:48
  filtered through into reality. And I am struggling with it.
• 8:51:51
  I'm not. I mean, so this whole stream is
• 8:51:53
  about because I don't. The thing is, I look at what
• 8:51:57
  Christianity is and like, I at this point, I'm kind of looking
• 8:52:00
  at it as just this big BLOB of everything, you know, the
• 8:52:05
  Catholics and the Orthodox, the Protestants, the Mormons, the
• 8:52:09
  Jehovah's Witnesses. It's just big, this big jumbled
• 8:52:13
  nuts. And I look at it in its
• 8:52:15
  entirety, you know, and I just, and I'm so fucking disgusted and
• 8:52:21
  sick of it. I don't want to be a part of it
• 8:52:24
  anymore. I don't want that label.
• 8:52:27
  And then I started thinking about, well, what about these
• 8:52:30
  justifications? What about these problems of
• 8:52:33
  Christianity that I supposedly solved for myself so long ago?
• 8:52:37
  It just LED me down a path of considering all this other shit,
• 8:52:41
  you know, and, and, and next to philosophy, you know, you can
• 8:52:47
  pretty much prove everything, you know, even some ridiculous
• 8:52:51
  shit. So, you know, if you, if you, if
• 8:52:55
  you stay too long in that headspace, you're bound to come
• 8:52:58
  up with some kooky ideas. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't do
• 8:53:04
  that, you know, and just know that there are normal good
• 8:53:08
  people out there who are willing to listen and have good
• 8:53:13
  conversation, have good times. I just think that right now
• 8:53:17
  you've encountered just a group that's, you know, infuriating
• 8:53:23
  and causes you to question things like there there are good
• 8:53:27
  people in this community. UAI mean, I'm not denying that.
• 8:53:33
  I'm just, it's just such a tiny minority and it's so seemingly
• 8:53:42
  inconsistent and muddled and even even amongst these good
• 8:53:47
  guys, like being able to like get like a meeting of the minds
• 8:53:50
  or something on like intrinsic core doctrine, even that is
• 8:53:53
  sometimes like pulling teeth. Even amongst these, you know
• 8:53:56
  what I would classify as relatively good people?
• 8:53:59
  And because there's just so much Flack and everyone thinking they
• 8:54:02
  got it perfectly right when they usually know the least, it gets
• 8:54:06
  frustrating, man. And you've watched people
• 8:54:09
  through it. You were, I know you've followed
• 8:54:11
  me since nearly the beginning. So I know you've seen me go
• 8:54:14
  through all of it, you know? Yeah, I have.
• 8:54:17
  I remember even your message to me, I didn't respond to it, but
• 8:54:20
  I actually do remember. And I did read your message on
• 8:54:22
  Patreon before I cancelled it. I did read it, you know, I
• 8:54:26
  didn't remember what you said. I didn't respond to it.
• 8:54:29
  But I do want to let you know I did read it, and I did take it
• 8:54:31
  to heart. And I do remember exactly what
• 8:54:33
  you said. And I remember you said you
• 8:54:36
  didn't care one way or the other, just you cared about the
• 8:54:40
  potency and what I had done and how you saw the spirit moving in
• 8:54:44
  me. And the way that I, yeah, yeah.
• 8:54:48
  Well, the, the way that I looked at it is at that time, I didn't
• 8:54:52
  have a lot of evidence that you guys later produced, you know,
• 8:54:56
  but my, my mindset was always, you know, Jesus allows people to
• 8:55:03
  repent for their sins. And if they truly repent, then
• 8:55:06
  they're our brother or our sister.
• 8:55:09
  You know, now you can find false, you know, false
• 8:55:14
  conversions and people were falling off, but for the most
• 8:55:18
  part, we're supposed to embrace them as brothers and sisters.
• 8:55:21
  So what a lot of people were doing out there made no sense to
• 8:55:24
  me. I, the way I looked at it is
• 8:55:25
  either way, guilty, innocent. I saw in you that you're you had
• 8:55:33
  extremely good intentions and I just let your actions speak for
• 8:55:40
  yourself. So I just kind of threw that by
• 8:55:42
  the wayside. I did still defend you, though.
• 8:55:46
  I know you did, buddy. It's brazen shit.
• 8:55:48
  I know you done. Yeah, but I just, it's, it's
• 8:55:53
  some food for thought. You know what I'm saying?
• 8:55:55
  Now look at this guy. Look at this.
• 8:55:57
  Look at this guy real quick. By the way, here.
• 8:55:59
  He has been running his mouth in my side chat for 30 minutes.
• 8:56:03
  He's going to say I'm bloke. Anyone who disagree, I block
• 8:56:06
  people who disagree. Can you believe this shit?
• 8:56:08
  Do you believe this dumb shit? No, no.
• 8:56:10
  See, what I would say is he's a dumb ass and he's been running.
• 8:56:15
  He's talking about better part of 30 minutes and he talks about
• 8:56:18
  how he's being blocked for disagreement.
• 8:56:20
  You believe this shit? Yeah.
• 8:56:22
  He just doesn't know what he's talking about.
• 8:56:23
  It's always been a free speech environment, stupid.
• 8:56:26
  You know, the only time we block is when you give the OK or when
• 8:56:31
  someone's being really bad, like spamming the N word or, you
• 8:56:37
  know, or yeah, when, when people say stuff like that, to me, it
• 8:56:42
  just reveals that they don't know.
• 8:56:45
  You know, this is a part of the problem I brought up earlier.
• 8:56:48
  You know, this fucking guy probably is actually going to
• 8:56:51
  heaven as as awful and wretched and disgusting and stupid as he
• 8:56:57
  is probably going to heaven because he's covered with common
• 8:57:00
  grace. He's never going to have to
• 8:57:01
  answer for any of this shit. He's too fucking retarded.
• 8:57:03
  You know how fucking hard that is for me to bite that bullet
• 8:57:06
  every fucking you know what I think you know?
• 8:57:08
  Yeah, I know it's, it's tough, but you know how I look at it.
• 8:57:11
  It's like, OK, he's saved by common grace.
• 8:57:13
  So it's like when when he gets to heaven, he's going to get
• 8:57:16
  that ZAP to his head and everything's going to make
• 8:57:19
  sense. And then he's going to be left
• 8:57:22
  with his plate, you know? So this is the type of dumb shit
• 8:57:26
  I get like day in, day out all the time for like years, man.
• 8:57:30
  I knew it does wear on you. I mean, I I almost kind of
• 8:57:34
  understand why Sam Schuman has basically gone batshit crazy.
• 8:57:38
  I mean, I he's had what I had even worse to even more potent
• 8:57:43
  people with even more attention and more attacks.
• 8:57:45
  I I understand why the guy's gone fucking nuts, frankly.
• 8:57:49
  Well, yeah. I don't understand how you could
• 8:57:50
  do this at a certain level and not go nuts, actually.
• 8:57:53
  Right. That's exactly what I was going
• 8:57:55
  to say. This is like the first time in
• 8:57:56
  history this has been tested, You know?
• 8:57:59
  Where? Where pastors and, and people of
• 8:58:03
  teachers of Christ have these massive audiences and you know,
• 8:58:10
  it's just a matter of statistics that what, 10% are just going to
• 8:58:14
  hate you for no reason. So you're going to get that
• 8:58:17
  hate. It's going to test your
• 8:58:22
  fortitude, you know, so, but what I would do is just
• 8:58:27
  disconnect, you know, take good criticism, but those people
• 8:58:31
  there any, there isn't anything you can do that'll I mean, you
• 8:58:35
  can give them your two cents, but you can't teach them
• 8:58:38
  anything. They have to learn it on their
• 8:58:40
  own somewhere else or from some other person.
• 8:58:44
  I mean, I that doesn't say, you know, don't don't not give any
• 8:58:48
  effort or anything, but oh shit, Tucker has me and so many people
• 8:58:54
  blocked his channel right now. And here he is running his mouth
• 8:58:58
  over here saying, saying he has free speech, but I don't.
• 8:59:03
  And he has blocked me and pretty much anyone that knows me for
• 8:59:08
  asking questions and he talks about he has.
• 8:59:12
  Do you see like like I see a comment like this and I'm like
• 8:59:18
  this person truly believes what he just typed.
• 8:59:22
  He he is so oblivious and lacking of all self-awareness
• 8:59:28
  that he thinks what he just put here makes sense.
• 8:59:31
  And I'm so I'm so blown away by the retardation that I actually
• 8:59:36
  have to stop mid conversation to highlight how comically in fact
• 8:59:43
  this was actually such a retarded comment that I had to
• 8:59:48
  go back and double check and make sure this was actually
• 8:59:51
  Tucker commenting this and not some troll for trying to be like
• 8:59:56
  just throwing shit inside chat 'cause it was such a ridiculous
• 9:00:00
  retarded thing to say. That he who blocks everyone and
• 9:00:04
  admitted it last night blocks me for even asking a question.
• 9:00:09
  Blocks anyone who has disagreement with his message.
• 9:00:14
  While I have while he's been running his mouth in my side
• 9:00:17
  chat for 30 minutes, but I'm the one that doesn't protect free
• 9:00:22
  speech. I had to double check to make
• 9:00:26
  sure that this is actually Tucker who is actually being
• 9:00:30
  this retarded. That's amazing.
• 9:00:34
  It is, dude, that's amazing. You know, for a long time there,
• 9:00:39
  I didn't think people like that actually functioned in the
• 9:00:41
  world. And then it was, it was crazy.
• 9:00:45
  I, I was speaking with my dad and he told me something that
• 9:00:48
  made sense. He's like Josh, when people go
• 9:00:51
  to try to enroll in the military, they take their
• 9:00:54
  Asbabs, right? Did you know that there's around
• 9:00:58
  20% of the people that can't pass their ASBAB?
• 9:01:04
  They can't, they can't get a job in the military.
• 9:01:07
  And the ASBAB is designed to appeal to people with like a 70
• 9:01:11
  IQ. So basically what he was trying
• 9:01:14
  to tell me is there's like 20% of the public is really dumb and
• 9:01:23
  it, and it just kind of all made sense to me.
• 9:01:25
  It's like when I'm driving down the road and I see stupid
• 9:01:27
  drivers or Tucker's comment there.
• 9:01:31
  It makes sense, man. It's like 2 out of 10 people.
• 9:01:35
  It's just a mathematical probability.
• 9:01:40
  And I'm amazed at the level of, of dishonesty that will come out
• 9:01:45
  of these people, man, these supposed believers.
• 9:01:48
  Like, even when it's blatantly false on its face, like right in
• 9:01:52
  front of people, like, and they'll still say it and it, and
• 9:01:56
  it does irritate me because I'm like, what is happening?
• 9:01:59
  Like, do we not have eyes or brains or ears or basic
• 9:02:03
  reasoning skills to not notice that you're blatantly lying
• 9:02:06
  right now? I I mean, and that gets
• 9:02:09
  frustrated, that gets frustrated.
• 9:02:11
  It has to be either delusion and really, you know, really stupid
• 9:02:18
  or they're doing it on purpose, you know, because they have, you
• 9:02:24
  have a point that they can't get past.
• 9:02:27
  They'll run from it. They'll block people that ask
• 9:02:30
  questions and when when, you know, when praise was doing that
• 9:02:35
  and Ronnie and others, I knew right away I was like, OK,
• 9:02:42
  you're running from the truth. I get it, you know, or either
• 9:02:45
  that or you're just not smart enough to grapple with the
• 9:02:47
  topic. Now, I I don't want to sound
• 9:02:52
  like an arrogant asshole or anything.
• 9:02:54
  You know, sometimes people are stupid and, and I am a believer
• 9:03:00
  that as painful as it might be, but the people that are capable
• 9:03:06
  in this world should, if they have the ability, lift up others
• 9:03:11
  that aren't through no fault of their own.
• 9:03:16
  Now, I'm not a Democrat or anything like that.
• 9:03:18
  I believe that you should make your own life.
• 9:03:20
  But I do believe that there are certain people out there who are
• 9:03:23
  just incapable and it's up to people that are to help them.
• 9:03:32
  Now that might be my naivety. I mean, you know, you A at the
• 9:03:38
  end of the day, there's a lot of you guys just like you that
• 9:03:41
  actually really do have good hearts and not the fault your
• 9:03:45
  intention or your desire to want to like, you know, at least at
• 9:03:49
  some level demonstrate these things that you think are
• 9:03:52
  virtuous in Scripture. That's great.
• 9:03:55
  I and that's good for you. And you know what?
• 9:03:58
  I'm thankful that people like you do exist in the world.
• 9:04:02
  It's a neighbors game, Smokey, and it is.
• 9:04:06
  And you have to, you have to, you have to do it or you're
• 9:04:10
  we're going to get drowned out and crushed and yeah, people
• 9:04:17
  have to do it. I mean, you just find the
• 9:04:20
  strength, do whatever it takes. No, you guys are the better off
• 9:04:23
  ones too, by the way. Like really, you know, you guys
• 9:04:27
  that kind of do get the the opportunity and the benefit, I
• 9:04:31
  think to really affect intrinsically and deeply these
• 9:04:36
  people that are close to you and kind of just where God called
• 9:04:39
  you. You get your own kind of special
• 9:04:41
  little orbit. It's your, you know, immediate
• 9:04:44
  friends, your coworkers, your family, your immediate family,
• 9:04:48
  your extended family. There's just this circle around
• 9:04:50
  you and you guys is there's so many of you out there that just
• 9:04:55
  like that's as far as you really need to go and you're you're
• 9:04:58
  able to be happy with that. And well, it it's not, it's not
• 9:05:03
  that it's not that it's you build that and then you slowly
• 9:05:08
  build it out. It it too much too fast, you
• 9:05:14
  know, at least for me, because it takes a lot of energy, takes
• 9:05:19
  a lot of my power, especially and especially when you love
• 9:05:24
  somebody there, you need dedication.
• 9:05:26
  You know, it's not just a word, it's actions.
• 9:05:30
  And there's only so much time in the day.
• 9:05:34
  You know, the, the one of the main things I, I did this is
• 9:05:37
  because, and I think you've seen, I always wanted to give
• 9:05:39
  credit to God for any of the benefit or good that ever came
• 9:05:42
  out of the channel. And all I really wanted to do
• 9:05:44
  was kind of take whatever, you know, talent I had or whatever
• 9:05:48
  value I might have and just use it for, you know, the glory of
• 9:05:51
  God or to defend the faith and stuff like that.
• 9:05:54
  And I almost kind of anticipated that I would see some of that
• 9:05:58
  Holy Spirit coming in and strengthening and bolstering.
• 9:06:01
  But I don't know if I've seen that, man.
• 9:06:04
  It's no, no. What happens, what happens,
• 9:06:06
  Smokey, is this is at least what happens to me if I go and preach
• 9:06:12
  the gospel and I really do a good job after that I, you know,
• 9:06:19
  suffer the consequences. You, you get attacked, you know,
• 9:06:25
  bad shit happens that we so it's a it really is a spiritual war.
• 9:06:35
  So you have to create a good foundation to weather that.
• 9:06:41
  Now, like you said, you know, I mean, it can always, this is all
• 9:06:44
  anecdotal. It could be some chemical
• 9:06:47
  reaction my brain is having to give me that feeling.
• 9:06:51
  But when I look at culture and philosophy, you know, science,
• 9:06:56
  the Bible, in my mind, it all kind of coalesces together into
• 9:07:04
  this beautiful thing. I wish I saw it that way still,
• 9:07:10
  man, I don't anymore. It's, it's, it's, it's
• 9:07:16
  repetition, you know, like I, I'm, I was lucky because I, I
• 9:07:23
  have three daughters, a wife, a decent job and I, you know,
• 9:07:30
  made, I prayed with God, pray to God for humility.
• 9:07:46
  Because if I, if I take a step back and I look at what I have,
• 9:07:49
  you know, there's a lot of people that won't find value in
• 9:07:52
  it at all. But in my mind, you have the
• 9:07:56
  opportunity to mold the future generation with your children.
• 9:08:01
  You have the opportunity to change the things that you
• 9:08:04
  thought were bad when you were being raised.
• 9:08:08
  You have the opportunity to have laughs, you know, good times,
• 9:08:13
  bad times. And ultimately, man, I think
• 9:08:20
  that's what it's about. It's about those relationships.
• 9:08:25
  It's about the the family, your friends, and I think you have a
• 9:08:32
  talent to pass that on to people.
• 9:08:39
  I think you target a specific group of people, but I think you
• 9:08:43
  do it really well. Thank you for I do appreciate
• 9:08:50
  that. I just just don't let it, don't
• 9:08:53
  let it get you down there. Seriously.
• 9:08:56
  They're, they're just look, look towards the future, you know,
• 9:09:00
  you just got married, you know, man, it all just feels different
• 9:09:03
  all of a sudden. It feels different more now than
• 9:09:05
  it has in a very, very long time.
• 9:09:08
  Like it hasn't felt like this in a hot minute.
• 9:09:10
  And now it, it does, it just, it feels different.
• 9:09:13
  It, it, it leaves me in a state of wondering how, how much of my
• 9:09:18
  epistemology or reasoning might have just been special pleading?
• 9:09:21
  Was this just an emotional drive to accept this, or do I really
• 9:09:24
  have actual good reason to believe this stuff?
• 9:09:28
  You know, and at the end of the day, we all just trust our
• 9:09:31
  personal epistemology. I mean, even the Catholics and
• 9:09:34
  the Orthodox got to trust their personal epistemology to lead to
• 9:09:38
  the idea that those religions are true, to end up following
• 9:09:41
  those religions infallibly, You know, So at the end of the day,
• 9:09:44
  we all are using our own personal epistemology, which
• 9:09:48
  we're all supposedly personally accountable for.
• 9:09:52
  Yeah, if I was blown down. Yeah.
• 9:09:55
  And right now I just don't, I don't feel it anymore, man.
• 9:09:58
  I don't feel it like I did. Like, where did the Holy Spirit
• 9:10:01
  go? If this really was him, if the
• 9:10:03
  Holy Spirit really has been with me, like doing some stuff and
• 9:10:07
  and, you know, working the channel and working things out
• 9:10:09
  for great or good and all this stuff, well, where where is he
• 9:10:13
  in those moments? Where, like, you need that
• 9:10:17
  little push or the extra validation or some sort of sign
• 9:10:21
  or something or idea that you're on the right path or you're
• 9:10:24
  doing good or what. Because, I mean, we can all have
• 9:10:26
  good fortune or bad fortune, but we shouldn't start thinking that
• 9:10:30
  the bad fortune is us being punished or the good fortune is
• 9:10:33
  us being rewarded. Sometimes it just is, right?
• 9:10:35
  It just is, right, Right. Sometimes it just works out that
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  way. Yeah.
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  And it's nothing supernatural. There's no reason why it
• 9:10:42
  happened. So I mean, The thing is, even if
• 9:10:45
  I got some sort of like, oh, look at this boost in viewership
• 9:10:49
  or attention or this person or contact with this guy or
• 9:10:52
  whatever, what's to say that's not just the natural flow of
• 9:10:57
  coincidental circumstances that led to that happening where I'm
• 9:11:00
  going to give credit to God, you know?
• 9:11:04
  Yeah, Yeah. It's like all the athletes you
• 9:11:06
  always get in touchdowns for God, right?
• 9:11:08
  All of them. Yeah.
• 9:11:10
  Yeah, Every single one. Then they go back and screw, you
• 9:11:13
  know, 10. Yeah, I totally get it, man.
• 9:11:19
  But yeah, I mean, look at, look at how successful and happy many
• 9:11:23
  of these free gracers are. You know, look at them because,
• 9:11:27
  yeah, well, it's because they they're, they're happy in their
• 9:11:31
  flesh because to them there's nothing they can do.
• 9:11:37
  And they believe that it is God that bless them with all that
• 9:11:40
  stuff, that all that stuff and all that success is all
• 9:11:43
  validation and verification from God.
• 9:11:45
  Just like Sam Shimon seeing the orbs on his, on his, you know,
• 9:11:49
  his video and thinking that, you know, Saints that are validating
• 9:11:53
  his ministry and all. It's just, you know, it's all
• 9:11:55
  just a different kind of fucking confirmation bias, you know?
• 9:11:59
  I mean, even as being a Christian supposedly and
• 9:12:02
  believing in the supernatural, I know Sam Shimon's orbs are
• 9:12:05
  horseshit. Why can't he figure it out?
• 9:12:09
  Yeah, I know. Sometimes we do get deceived.
• 9:12:15
  This is a smart guy. Sam Shimon's no fucking idiot,
• 9:12:19
  ladies and gentlemen. It actually used to be an
• 9:12:23
  encyclopedia, man. Oh, like really is still a the
• 9:12:27
  Assyrian encyclopedia research, you know, and and this guy is
• 9:12:32
  no, no dumblet, but he's getting confused and muddled up with,
• 9:12:37
  with, you know, artifacts on his videos and basically just
• 9:12:40
  floating dust particles, really, truth be told.
• 9:12:43
  Well, look, I'm, you know, I'm getting up there in age and your
• 9:12:47
  body breaks down, you know, you start forgetting shit, you know,
• 9:12:51
  you're not as coordinated as you used to be.
• 9:12:53
  So my advice to everyone listening is get it from
• 9:12:56
  ourselves, right? Get it while you can, you know
• 9:13:00
  what I'm saying? Because eventually, eventually
• 9:13:04
  you're going to be old and wish you would have done stuff.
• 9:13:08
  So yeah, that's fair. Yeah.
• 9:13:11
  It's you know, I there, I think every person's fallible and we
• 9:13:17
  shouldn't, you know, 100% follow anybody except Christ, Amen.
• 9:13:23
  Always, always kind of have that tentative grasp.
• 9:13:28
  But you know, we can recognize good people when we see them.
• 9:13:34
  So, you know, embrace those people, invite them into your
• 9:13:37
  circle and those dumblings I got, you know, if I was if
• 9:13:43
  Christian, Here's the thing. If Christianity is true, I can't
• 9:13:49
  be a part of it right now anyway.
• 9:13:50
  It's just, there's just no, there's no, there's no way I can
• 9:13:57
  pull in Isaac and completely deny the core fundamental, I
• 9:14:03
  would say believer in the Bible and claim to be a believer.
• 9:14:06
  I, I, I can't do that. I, I have, I have been, How long
• 9:14:09
  has it been since you went to church?
• 9:14:16
  That's been a couple weeks. I don't I don't get a lot of
• 9:14:23
  feeding from the type of sermons that are for the common man.
• 9:14:28
  You know, you know what I mean. I do so even in terms of a habit
• 9:14:36
  of like where you might almost expect well have some communion
• 9:14:41
  recharge your batteries type thing.
• 9:14:43
  I, you know, honestly, over, over the years, it's gotten more
• 9:14:48
  and more cold to me. I just, I don't even, you know,
• 9:14:52
  I don't want to, I don't even want to talk to those people
• 9:14:55
  really. Honestly, dude, like I don't
• 9:14:57
  want to answer questions about what I believe or, you know, or,
• 9:15:03
  or have these debates in the in the, you know, foyer of the
• 9:15:06
  church about whether you can lose your salvation or not.
• 9:15:09
  I just don't want to do it. Like I just, I've gotten to the
• 9:15:12
  point where I'm so kind of like where maybe like before this I
• 9:15:18
  was disgusted by certain like just in general, like fake
• 9:15:22
  Christians or certain denominations or certain cults
• 9:15:25
  or something. But you know, particularly over
• 9:15:27
  the last week, couple weeks, whatever, just series of stuff,
• 9:15:33
  I've just started to become disgusted with all of it.
• 9:15:35
  I used to be just the fakes and now I just don't want to be
• 9:15:39
  associated with any of it. I'm sick of it.
• 9:15:42
  It's disgusting, it's gross. These people are fucking
• 9:15:45
  wretched. I mean I see I see more virtue
• 9:15:50
  in some Satanist communities than I do in this bullshit.
• 9:15:53
  This so-called online Christian community that I've seen I, I
• 9:15:58
  see more virtue in, in Satanist and Muslim circles than here
• 9:16:02
  just for sure. I, I know exactly what you're
• 9:16:06
  talking about and it's the holier than thou, you know,
• 9:16:10
  attitude is what, what I don't appreciate.
• 9:16:14
  Well, it's even just the self righteousness.
• 9:16:16
  Like, you know, I don't dislike Dashton.
• 9:16:20
  I don't, I don't agree with them.
• 9:16:22
  I think I've been pretty clear on that.
• 9:16:24
  But I don't dislike Dashton. I don't think Dashton should be
• 9:16:26
  tossed out because he has things that people's eyes are offended
• 9:16:31
  by or, you know, with Jesus and what, I don't know what he's
• 9:16:34
  done some sort of wooden pentagram thing.
• 9:16:36
  I mean, I don't care, Dastian. Dastian's mind is not
• 9:16:40
  predicating some super evil thing on this thing up there.
• 9:16:43
  You're just predicating that on it for him and then condemning
• 9:16:48
  him for it. And because your self
• 9:16:49
  righteousness is so great and so awesome, you know that it just
• 9:16:54
  has to overpower everything around you so everyone can see
• 9:16:57
  how holy you are while you're trying to just shut someone out
• 9:17:01
  from even being able to interact or ask questions or stick around
• 9:17:05
  and listen, whatever it is that Dashton maybe needs, you know,
• 9:17:10
  he found himself here and all you guys want to do is condemn
• 9:17:13
  me 'cause there's, you know, images you don't like or words
• 9:17:16
  he says you don't like. I mean, you know, this is, this
• 9:17:20
  is Christian virtue, You know, the, the fucking Pharisees, they
• 9:17:24
  condemn Jesus for hanging out with the tax collectors and the
• 9:17:27
  sinners. And then I want to hang out and,
• 9:17:30
  and open the door to people who are tax collectors and sinners.
• 9:17:35
  And I get the same condemnation from these so-called believers.
• 9:17:39
  Oh, look at you hanging out with the, the psychic Vampire Slayer
• 9:17:45
  guy and his New Agey stuff. And he's just so evil.
• 9:17:49
  Daston's not evil. Okay, Dashedon might be a lot of
• 9:17:54
  things, but let me be real clear, I'm real confident.
• 9:17:57
  Dashedon ain't evil. He might be confused, he might
• 9:18:00
  be in his own world. But I'm going to tell you
• 9:18:02
  something. Dashedon ain't evil.
• 9:18:04
  And if you really think Dashedon evil, you know what, man?
• 9:18:07
  Check yourself, Dashedon. Dashton isn't aware enough to be
• 9:18:11
  evil. OK, Legit.
• 9:18:13
  I love you, buddy. I'm not.
• 9:18:15
  I'm not in. I'm just telling you, you know,
• 9:18:18
  like the the amount of attacks that have happened to you,
• 9:18:21
  Dashton, are undeserved. You'll you'll always be welcome
• 9:18:24
  here. You're always welcome to come
• 9:18:26
  and listen and learn and ask questions.
• 9:18:30
  You'll you'll always have a spot here, buddy.
• 9:18:32
  And I know that some level you probably just need a little bit
• 9:18:36
  of person to person contact and that's why you do stuff like
• 9:18:40
  this. And I just want you to know,
• 9:18:42
  Dashton, I love you. You'll always be welcome.
• 9:18:44
  No one's going to leverage their bullshit, fake nonsense morals
• 9:18:50
  to try and kick you out or shun you or anything like that.
• 9:18:53
  I want you to be around to listen and ask questions and
• 9:18:57
  glean some bit of truth. So I don't mean any of this to
• 9:18:59
  shame you or attack you. I hope you know I love you and
• 9:19:03
  and it's all, it's all OK. You're welcome to stick around
• 9:19:06
  as much as you want, see. And I got to say shit like that.
• 9:19:09
  Why is that such a fight, by the way, with so-called believers to
• 9:19:14
  like just convince believers that they should just support a
• 9:19:17
  little bit of virtue and graciousness and I'll get, you
• 9:19:21
  know, I can't fucking win. I'll get condemned for doing,
• 9:19:26
  you know, the gracious thing. And I'll get condemned when I'm
• 9:19:29
  too harsh. And it just will never fucking
• 9:19:31
  matter, by the way. Yeah, I know, I know.
• 9:19:34
  I went, I, I was, I was really lucky when I was, I think I was
• 9:19:39
  14, my stepdad became a a member of this church and they started
• 9:19:48
  this facility downtown where I live.
• 9:19:53
  It was called the Upper Room. And essentially what it was is
• 9:19:57
  it was kind of like a bar that didn't serve alcohol.
• 9:20:02
  They had pool tables, you know, foosball, live music, and they
• 9:20:08
  would invite everybody from off the street.
• 9:20:10
  So you're looking at, you know, drug addicts, homeless people,
• 9:20:13
  prostitutes. And they would come in and the
• 9:20:17
  only requirement, they could have free soda, play free games,
• 9:20:21
  but they had to listen to the sermon after the music.
• 9:20:25
  So when I was young, I got exposed to, you know, the that
• 9:20:31
  type of that type of person, you know, the way that they live.
• 9:20:38
  And all I can say is is that the majority of people want the same
• 9:20:47
  thing. You know, they want to be loved
• 9:20:49
  and taken care of now, taken care of there, there.
• 9:20:56
  There isn't a large percentage of people out there who are
• 9:21:00
  vicious, thankfully. So I think that Christians
• 9:21:10
  should embrace everybody as they are.
• 9:21:14
  And all we can do is try to say with humility what we believe
• 9:21:22
  and why, you know, and it goes back to what I was saying about
• 9:21:27
  if you're, if you find yourself in a position to lift people up,
• 9:21:30
  you should, especially the ones that can't lift themselves up.
• 9:21:34
  But it's not, it's not. That's why I don't show my face
• 9:21:38
  online. I don't want, I don't expect any
• 9:21:41
  recognition. That's not the point.
• 9:21:44
  The point is, is to actually impact people on a person to
• 9:21:50
  person basis, right? You know, I, I told a story
• 9:21:54
  earlier today, I don't know if you caught it, but it was about
• 9:21:57
  me golfing yesterday and a guy, he was a noob and he was kind of
• 9:22:02
  like insulted by the last guy, you know, that they tried to
• 9:22:05
  pair him up with in the previous course.
• 9:22:07
  He kind of was almost expecting that I would probably be the
• 9:22:09
  same way. And he was kind of like shy.
• 9:22:11
  And I mean, he's a nice guy. He was kind of like shy and
• 9:22:15
  like, he's kind of new to the sport and doesn't want to like
• 9:22:17
  slow anyone down or stuff and isn't really confident.
• 9:22:21
  And, you know, the last guy he was with told him, yeah, you
• 9:22:23
  should just play for yourself. I don't want to play with you
• 9:22:25
  'cause you're slowed me down stuff.
• 9:22:26
  And, and I didn't treat him like that.
• 9:22:28
  I didn't treat him like that. I said, no, we're going to play
• 9:22:31
  together and I'll give you pointers and tips.
• 9:22:33
  And, and he had probably the best golf game yet that he ever
• 9:22:36
  had, you know, and all I had to do was show him a little bit of
• 9:22:42
  kindness, really. And you know, The funny thing
• 9:22:44
  is, and I mentioned this earlier, we're out there and
• 9:22:47
  we're golfing and, you know, just chumming around and talking
• 9:22:50
  about golf in general and life and jobs and past and just
• 9:22:55
  things that like 2 guys would chat about, you know, and, and I
• 9:22:58
  had the thought to myself, I thought, you know, should I
• 9:23:01
  mention Jesus to him? Should I share the gospel?
• 9:23:03
  Should I ask him what he believes?
• 9:23:06
  I almost did. And I stopped myself.
• 9:23:07
  I said, you know what? No, I don't want to ruin this
• 9:23:10
  nice day. That's what I thought to myself,
• 9:23:12
  I'm not shitting you. That's not now.
• 9:23:15
  That's now what I bring to associate talking about Jesus
• 9:23:18
  with a bad fucking day. That's that's not where it's
• 9:23:22
  gotten in my brain. Look, look, I've I've been in
• 9:23:25
  the same position, you know, and it's like, I do think that
• 9:23:30
  timing is, does play a role. You know, if you just go out
• 9:23:34
  there and blatantly scream all the time, you know you'll be
• 9:23:37
  successful, but there might be people that you know you're not
• 9:23:41
  successful with that you could have been if you would have been
• 9:23:45
  a little more intelligent with your timing.
• 9:23:50
  You know, there's, I've met so many people that have said I
• 9:23:53
  hate Bible thumpers. You know, when when somebody
• 9:23:57
  says that you don't just want to immediately start preaching the
• 9:24:00
  gospel, you know that's not it. It might come from good
• 9:24:05
  intentions, but your success rate goes way down.
• 9:24:10
  Yeah. So maybe that's what you were
• 9:24:13
  feeling, Smokey. Maybe that's what you're
• 9:24:16
  feeling. Maybe could be just maybe the
• 9:24:19
  spirit told you, maybe not now and just kind of inspired you
• 9:24:27
  not to say anything for that time.
• 9:24:30
  Who is this fucking? Who is this pee motherfucker
• 9:24:34
  inside you? Dude, you act like you know me
• 9:24:37
  or something like who are you like you're calling me retarded
• 9:24:42
  and all this here P you're going to get an ultimatum at this
• 9:24:45
  point. You've been throwing a little
• 9:24:46
  too too much shit at me during this stream.
• 9:24:49
  I've been watching it. I've been kind of glancing to
• 9:24:52
  the side. You keep throwing this fucking
• 9:24:54
  garbage over here. Your mods P is an ultimatum
• 9:25:00
  material. Well, I don't know you.
• 9:25:01
  I don't know who the fuck you are.
• 9:25:03
  So, so I'll tell you what it's it's about time you click on the
• 9:25:06
  link since you got a big fucking mouth over there in side chat.
• 9:25:11
  So you can click on the link and tell me who you are, bring your
• 9:25:14
  bullshit, see if you can defend a damn thing you you have to say
• 9:25:20
  or you can just piss on off for the night.
• 9:25:23
  Yeah, you don't need to clog up my side chat with your spamming
• 9:25:27
  bullshit and throwing garbage at me that you're not willing to
• 9:25:31
  back up. It's ultimatum time if P doesn't
• 9:25:34
  click on the link in the next what is this 841, I don't know 3
• 9:25:39
  minutes P you can click on the link in the next 3 minutes or my
• 9:25:43
  mods are going to start time time them out until tomorrow.
• 9:25:46
  I'm not going to even stream tomorrow time them out for 24
• 9:25:49
  hours. If he doesn't click on the link
• 9:25:51
  and come in the room in the next 3 minutes 844 my time you guys
• 9:25:57
  click on the link time them out. That was a good.
• 9:26:00
  No, no, that was a good segue, man.
• 9:26:01
  I, I've got to eat something and then go to bed.
• 9:26:05
  I yeah, I I, I appreciate you coming in and wanting to have a
• 9:26:08
  chat, man. I'm working through this, but
• 9:26:10
  I'm, I'm pissed off and I'm sick of Christianity.
• 9:26:13
  I'm sick of Christian. We have an emergency situation.
• 9:26:16
  Meet me on the news unit ASAP if you would, please.
• 9:26:19
  OK. All right, I'll OK you a thank
• 9:26:23
  you, buddy. You take care.
• 9:26:24
  You have yourself a very, very lovely evening.
• 9:26:28
  You too. And yeah, go ahead.
• 9:26:30
  Just just do me a favor, man. Just look towards the future of
• 9:26:37
  the things that you want to do, like having a child.
• 9:26:41
  You know, you're married now. And all I can say is don't
• 9:26:47
  abandoned the faith. You'll regret it in the long
• 9:26:52
  run. I I do appreciate the sentiment
• 9:26:58
  buddy. I do.
• 9:27:00
  I'm just, I'm just burned out, man.
• 9:27:03
  And I don't know if it will change.
• 9:27:04
  I don't know if it's going to stick like this.
• 9:27:06
  I don't know if I'm going to work through it.
• 9:27:07
  I don't know if I'm going to dig in.
• 9:27:08
  I guess we're just going to have to talk to see.
• 9:27:12
  I appreciate your input, man. You've, I've always respected
• 9:27:15
  you as a sharp guy and I know you always basement dweller.
• 9:27:18
  Basement dweller can put together a highlight of all of
• 9:27:23
  the edifying things you've said in all your streams and then you
• 9:27:29
  can watch. That's about the type of content
• 9:27:31
  he usually compiles. No, I know.
• 9:27:34
  I'm just saying he's probably, he probably has access to all of
• 9:27:37
  it as well. Either him or Boki.
• 9:27:39
  Either him or Boki. Yeah.
• 9:27:41
  I need to get Boki access to the archive.
• 9:27:43
  Actually, now that you mentioned it now, yeah, I think going back
• 9:27:47
  over some of the things because, you know, we forget shit as we
• 9:27:50
  get older and we get enthralled and focused on what's in front
• 9:27:55
  of us rather than kind of looking, taking the whole thing
• 9:27:58
  in. And I think if you actually, you
• 9:28:02
  know, go through your exploits a little bit and say, you know
• 9:28:06
  what, this I, this is when the the Holy Spirit was working.
• 9:28:11
  I think you'll see it. I'm actually quite sure of it,
• 9:28:15
  man. I got you.
• 9:28:18
  I do. Look, I do appreciate all your
• 9:28:21
  hard work, man. I've said it many times, it's
• 9:28:23
  tough to do what you do. So yeah, I just appreciate it,
• 9:28:29
  man. I appreciate you, man.
• 9:28:30
  And I and I appreciate the sentiment.
• 9:28:33
  I really do. Yeah.
• 9:28:34
  All, all of the cone club cult. You will basement.
• 9:28:41
  What's the take away? Chris, Keith, all those guys,
• 9:28:46
  you guys are all great. Forget Guru.
• 9:28:48
  She'll be mad if you forget Guru lady.
• 9:28:51
  Yes, of course, Guru lady. She is the sweetest lady.
• 9:28:55
  And Lena, Lena popped up today too.
• 9:28:58
  So Lena's around as well. Lena Lena took a little break
• 9:29:01
  for a while. Gavin, Gavin Herliman came
• 9:29:04
  around again too. I've been seeing Oh my gosh,
• 9:29:07
  Gavin, You know what? I I had this feeling and I was
• 9:29:10
  totally off, but I thought that dude and praise, we're going to
• 9:29:15
  have like the praise and Gavin experience, you know, but that
• 9:29:21
  that never did happen. But yeah, it's, you know, it's
• 9:29:26
  been 1 hell of a ride, man. It has ultimately you should be
• 9:29:31
  proud, dude. You really should.
• 9:29:36
  You you might not know it, but there's a lot of people out
• 9:29:39
  there that you've helped inspire, convince shame into
• 9:29:44
  submission. You've you've accomplished a
• 9:29:49
  lot. Yeah, amazing thing is you don't
• 9:29:52
  see that. And, and even if that was true,
• 9:29:55
  which I guess in some level like a Christian man could rejoice
• 9:29:58
  over and say is great, is that God can use even a hellbound
• 9:30:02
  demon to some good indeed, you know, but you know, even yeah,
• 9:30:09
  that's true. That is very true.
• 9:30:12
  So I mean, I don't necessarily think use of me, let alone
• 9:30:17
  anyone is necessarily a a sign. I mean, some people get led to
• 9:30:22
  the truth in the most elaborate and ridiculous of ways.
• 9:30:24
  It doesn't mean the people that did it are necessarily saved.
• 9:30:27
  But I got to work all this shit out.
• 9:30:30
  I got to think about it. I'm just I am going to take a
• 9:30:32
  break. I don't know how long, but I'm
• 9:30:35
  going to step away from all this shit for a minute and try and
• 9:30:38
  work my mind. I'm not about turning this into
• 9:30:41
  some big grand drawn out display or anything like that or a big
• 9:30:46
  drama thing. I I thought it was important to
• 9:30:49
  do this stream to at least get it out there to be honest with
• 9:30:51
  you guys with where I'm at, you know, like if you're not, you
• 9:30:54
  know, really know where I went or disappeared to or what's
• 9:30:57
  going on. I figured this was probably the
• 9:31:00
  best way to do it, just come out and be honest about it and put
• 9:31:04
  it out there and let you guys deal with it as you want.
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  But you know, I mean, I am in a state where I am reassessing all
• 9:31:11
  of this shit and I appreciate the sentiment.
• 9:31:14
  I do. It's not necessarily going to
• 9:31:19
  change me or necessarily alter a lot of this, but nonetheless, I
• 9:31:23
  appreciate the show of concern to at least, you know, show up
• 9:31:27
  and present it and and put it out there.
• 9:31:29
  And, you know, I love you. You A you're a good guy.
• 9:31:31
  You've always been a good guy. And you supported me for a hot
• 9:31:35
  minute. We didn't always agree on
• 9:31:36
  everything, but you've always been a great guy and a good
• 9:31:39
  supporter. So, you know.
• 9:31:41
  Yeah. Well, yeah, of course, man.
• 9:31:44
  I mean, what I was going to say is that my, my real father is an
• 9:31:50
  atheist. He's been an atheist my whole
• 9:31:53
  life. So I know exactly what you're
• 9:32:01
  saying because he said the same thing.
• 9:32:05
  I mean, except he's never believed.
• 9:32:10
  So, you know, a lot of our conversations are me trying to
• 9:32:12
  convince him and him, you know, trying to convince me that, you
• 9:32:18
  know, God isn't real. So I, I do want you to know that
• 9:32:25
  I genuinely relate to what you're experiencing.
• 9:32:27
  You know, I've had some of the same thoughts, but you, you have
• 9:32:33
  to do me one solid and really meditate on it, man.
• 9:32:41
  Really. Dive deep, you know?
• 9:32:42
  Not publicly. Yeah.
• 9:32:46
  With you, your wife. Yeah.
• 9:32:52
  But I wish you the best, man. And you should, yeah, you should
• 9:32:56
  keep posting, man. Keep posting, you know,
• 9:33:00
  communicate. I will.
• 9:33:02
  See. I I need to.
• 9:33:05
  I need to figure out what the hell I'm even doing.
• 9:33:07
  Honestly. Really.
• 9:33:09
  Yeah, Well, it's not for me. For the sake of basement
• 9:33:11
  dweller. I mean, what's that guy?
• 9:33:15
  Yeah. About the truth.
• 9:33:17
  Yeah, right. He'll he'll die of being starved
• 9:33:20
  out of memes if I don't. Yeah.
• 9:33:21
  Keep selling the ideas out there.
• 9:33:23
  Yeah. No, he's awesome.
• 9:33:26
  No, I appreciate it, man. God bless you.
• 9:33:28
  God bless your family. I guess.
• 9:33:30
  Assuming he exists. I know you believe he does.
• 9:33:32
  So, you know, if he does, God bless you and your family.
• 9:33:36
  You've always had a special place in my heart, Buddy.
• 9:33:38
  And I I do appreciate you coming in for the chat.
• 9:33:41
  You took some time out of your busy day to come and talk with
• 9:33:45
  me. And I that does mean a bit to
• 9:33:46
  me. So thank you for that.
• 9:33:47
  I appreciate it. Yeah, no problem, man.
• 9:33:50
  You you take it easy, man. You too, buddy.
• 9:33:52
  You have a good night. You have a good night, too.
• 9:33:55
  Awesome. Later.
• 9:33:56
  All right. Take care, man.
• 9:33:57
  East Max. Are you there, buddy?
• 9:33:59
  I don't know if he's. I've been here all day, man.
• 9:34:05
  Beautiful. No, I know you have, man.
• 9:34:06
  You've been a trooper. Hey, do you mind kind of filling
• 9:34:09
  air here with dashing for a minute while I go see what Dave
• 9:34:11
  wanted? Oh, man, that's the easiest
• 9:34:13
  thing I've been asked to do all day.
• 9:34:15
  Appreciate you, buddy. Thank you so much.
• 9:34:17
  I appreciate you, gentlemen. Well, Will Freeman, I think me
• 9:34:24
  and Will Freeman are getting married now.
• 9:34:26
  So I don't know who we're going to get the DJ at our wedding,
• 9:34:30
  but Will Freeman and I are in love.
• 9:34:38
  Who else? Let's see here.
• 9:34:41
  Garu lady. You could be the ring bearer, I
• 9:34:44
  guess. Pseudonym.
• 9:34:50
  You can officiate the wedding. Oh, Sophia.
• 9:34:54
  OK, OK. OK, you know what?
• 9:34:57
  I I'll back off. Yeah.
• 9:35:03
  You know what? I actually like sleeping on the
• 9:35:05
  left side because I often get up to go pee in the middle of the
• 9:35:07
  night a lot, actually. So that's fair.
• 9:35:16
  Let's see. Wait, I thought the news unit
• 9:35:21
  was going live for an emergency. What happened to that?
• 9:35:26
  Oh OK, so this is breaking news. The pod team declares war on the
• 9:35:32
  news unit. I'm here for it.
• 9:35:35
  I'll participate in that. It'll be hard for me to pick
• 9:35:41
  sides. Actually it's not.
• 9:35:44
  I'm team news unit. So yeah, the the P arc was
• 9:35:53
  pretty interesting. Unfortunately he was too shy to
• 9:35:57
  speak his shit live, which is a bitch move.
• 9:36:00
  So Boo pee. I know he's still watching.
• 9:36:04
  I think I know exactly who he is, but I'm not going to say
• 9:36:07
  that here. I don't really know for sure.
• 9:36:09
  Pretty confident though. I'd be willing to bet $50 on who
• 9:36:12
  Pee is. Oh that's a good question Garu
• 9:36:19
  lady. I'm really into rap and metal
• 9:36:24
  the most, but my playlist is pretty bipolar actually.
• 9:36:29
  I'll go from listening to pop to like death metal.
• 9:36:34
  And what do you mean pseudonym? What do you mean what problem?
• 9:36:43
  The problem that Smokey's having or.
• 9:36:53
  I think Wolves at the Gate I I had think I have listened to a
• 9:36:56
  few of their songs, but I can't recall off the top of my head.
• 9:36:59
  I'm sure if I listen to them right now it'd make more sense.
• 9:37:02
  Yeah, I would say that country is probably my least favorite,
• 9:37:13
  but I will go crazy for some Johnny Cash no doubt.
• 9:37:18
  Especially at a bar. Oh yeah, I'll do some Cash
• 9:37:21
  karaoke. Yeah, my favorite Christian
• 9:37:35
  metal core band is actually Haste the Day.
• 9:37:37
  I got to see them live like 3 times.
• 9:37:40
  It was great. Haste the Day, unfortunately
• 9:37:46
  they're not really together anymore, but they did drop a new
• 9:37:49
  song what last year maybe. They're really great.
• 9:37:54
  You really? Well, I guess if you really paid
• 9:37:56
  attention to the lyrics, you would understand that they're
• 9:37:58
  Christian, but otherwise you really wouldn't.
• 9:38:03
  So they're really great. I was really into As I Lay Dying
• 9:38:09
  until I found out that the lead singer tried to plot a murder
• 9:38:12
  for his wife, which goes to the show.
• 9:38:14
  What Smokey is saying that Christians aren't really the
• 9:38:18
  greatest people in the world. So, you know, the leader of a
• 9:38:21
  Christian band trying to get his wife killed.
• 9:38:23
  So, you know, that's not really cool.
• 9:38:29
  Maddie Mullins is good. Yeah, absolutely.
• 9:38:35
  He did a song with someone recently.
• 9:38:39
  I forgot who it was, but he's featured in a lot of songs,
• 9:38:42
  actually. Yeah.
• 9:38:44
  Maddie Mullins is goaded now. I've actually been here all day.
• 9:38:55
  Pseudonym, if you're talking about me, literally the whole 9
• 9:38:59
  hours I've been here, it's my day off.
• 9:39:03
  Actually was on the news unit with Fro and Ryan earlier.
• 9:39:08
  So yeah, my whole day dedicated to this has been, it's been good
• 9:39:12
  actually. A lot of food for thought, a lot
• 9:39:15
  of good conversations. The side chat has been amazing
• 9:39:18
  today. So I don't accept side chat
• 9:39:20
  slander. Oh, I didn't know that, Andrew.
• 9:39:37
  That's news to me. I like that, though.
• 9:39:39
  That's interesting. Georgia Lynch's daughter.
• 9:39:47
  You know, I knew someone who went to to art school with why
• 9:39:55
  am I struggling to remember his name?
• 9:39:57
  Jared Leto. Believe it or not, I knew
• 9:40:00
  someone that went to school with him.
• 9:40:04
  Although I I don't know if he claims Christian or not, but I
• 9:40:10
  know a lot of people. A lot of people.
• 9:40:17
  I do kind of wish P had the balls to come in here and
• 9:40:20
  challenge me live though. But we all know Internet trolls
• 9:40:24
  don't really have a set of colonies.
• 9:40:31
  I think Will Freeman should come in because I think Dashing is
• 9:40:34
  AFK. Oh, that's nice, Andrew.
• 9:40:51
  I had no idea. Yeah, I've been kind of out of
• 9:40:55
  the music zeitgeist recently, trying to catch back up.
• 9:41:06
  It's been a lot of new music that dropped recently that's
• 9:41:09
  really good. I know everyone's kind of
• 9:41:12
  focused on AI music right now, but there's been a lot of good
• 9:41:15
  actual bands dropping music and artists dropping music, which
• 9:41:21
  makes me wonder how many of them are using AI.
• 9:41:27
  Oh well, he's AFK right now, Jared.
• 9:41:30
  I'm sure he'll see it when he comes back.
• 9:41:33
  I don't have any powers here, so I can't really bring you in.
• 9:41:47
  One thing that I did get to see earlier is that Garu lady has a
• 9:41:52
  really nice Minecraft farm. Yeah, well, if you go read the
• 9:42:07
  the news units title, you'll kind of understand what's going
• 9:42:09
  on. Yeah.
• 9:42:14
  You won't see me claim the label Christian beyond a piece of
• 9:42:17
  paper. I mean, I do follow Christ, that
• 9:42:19
  I do believe Christ is king, but I kind of went through my whole
• 9:42:26
  issue that smoke is going through a few years back.
• 9:42:30
  I was a big part of a church and I got to see behind the curtain
• 9:42:35
  and I was very sickened by what I got to see.
• 9:42:40
  So yeah, Christians can be very, very demonic, unfortunately, and
• 9:42:48
  they will justify their demonic behavior through Scripture,
• 9:42:52
  which is very ironic. I'm not here to condemn anyone
• 9:42:57
  though, so that's not my job. My job is to help everyone.
• 9:43:02
  Then I can. You know, as much as I condemn
• 9:43:08
  Muslims for beheading people, there's a lot of Christians that
• 9:43:11
  should be beheaded though, unfortunately.
• 9:43:16
  I don't agree with that though. I think everyone deserves the
• 9:43:19
  right to life, even if it's a fucked up life.
• 9:43:25
  Hey man, I'm just feeling air here.
• 9:43:27
  I don't know. If somebody wants to talk about
• 9:43:28
  something, go for it. Oh hey dashing, I don't support.
• 9:43:41
  I'm about like 6 beers deep too guys.
• 9:43:43
  So like, give me a little bit of grace here.
• 9:43:47
  I don't ever drink, but I decided today was worth it.
• 9:43:55
  No, you're right, Jared. No.
• 9:43:56
  No one deserves it. No one deserves it.
• 9:44:00
  I think, though, by their own doctrine, they would.
• 9:44:04
  Yeah, never mind. The point that I was trying to
• 9:44:09
  make is there a lot of evil people in this world that will
• 9:44:12
  do everything to convince everyone they're not evil?
• 9:44:15
  That's the point. But you're right, I'm actually
• 9:44:22
  pro-life in all aspects. Hey Andrew, I love the
• 9:44:41
  Australian people. My Siri on my phone is
• 9:44:43
  Australian. I go crazy for an Australian
• 9:44:50
  accent. I mean, truth be told Andrew,
• 9:44:57
  we're all evil. Just some of us don't want to
• 9:45:00
  admit it. I've been evil in my life at
• 9:45:03
  periods and time, absolutely. But it makes me feel bad and
• 9:45:07
  that's the difference. Some people feel bad about being
• 9:45:09
  evil, some don't. There are times I lash out in
• 9:45:14
  the tongue for sure. So dashing, are you?
• 9:45:22
  Yes, I do. Wait, what for Jelly being a
• 9:45:28
  Jelly Belly, Mine is all the ranch.
• 9:45:32
  Look at it, look it up. All the ranchers.
• 9:45:36
  Hell in veins. All right, I'm going to look up
• 9:45:39
  some scripture that might be a good idea.
• 9:45:42
  I mean, when I say look it up, I mean pull it up on my end.
• 9:45:49
  Actually, you know what? I think there's been enough
• 9:45:52
  scripture said in this stream today.
• 9:45:54
  We don't need any more. It's not helping anyone.
• 9:46:04
  You know what they say, Andrew. The highway to hell is paved
• 9:46:07
  with a good intentions. Everyone has good intentions,
• 9:46:11
  right? No one wants to admit that
• 9:46:14
  they're behind. Good intentions, bad intentions,
• 9:46:23
  good intentions, bad hot potato to potato, hot potato with whole
• 9:46:27
  blah blah. You know, let's let's take this
• 9:46:28
  series of Dexter as an example. Dexter believes he has good
• 9:46:32
  intentions, yet he's still out there on the Live in people.
• 9:46:37
  So I have logical intentions. Well, Sudo, what do you want to
• 9:46:43
  talk about? You know, I'm kind of just
• 9:46:45
  filling some space here. I don't really.
• 9:46:47
  I didn't plan for this at all. That's all good.
• 9:46:50
  East Max. I appreciate you, buddy.
• 9:46:51
  Thank you for filling in. Yeah, I got you.
• 9:46:54
  So we are going to end up going over to the new.
• 9:46:57
  I was trying to get my friend on here.
• 9:46:58
  His name is Nell Atwater. This is not a funny name.
• 9:47:05
  OK, Thank you, Dashton. So we're going to get like he's
• 9:47:08
  a Bible style here. But I'll, I'll, I'll let you
• 9:47:11
  know when I get out of Dashton. Hold on, buddy, hold on, hold
• 9:47:13
  on. So we're going to we're going to
• 9:47:15
  head on over to the new unit. I'm going to whoa, hold on.
• 9:47:20
  OK, hold on. I'm going to get you guys the
• 9:47:22
  link. Dave is live right now.
• 9:47:25
  I'm going to go over there and we're going to continue this
• 9:47:27
  show. So I'm going to go ahead and
• 9:47:28
  shut it down on this side dark. Danny, welcome.
• 9:47:32
  I'm not sure it's me, Sparkle. Oh, OK.
• 9:47:37
  Oh, fuck. Would you stop doing that?
• 9:47:39
  Can you just see one thing, you know, and so I know who you are.
• 9:47:43
  I mean, it's with all the different things, for God's
• 9:47:46
  sake. OK, guys, inside chat over
• 9:47:49
  there. I just posted the link.
• 9:47:51
  Dave is live right now. I'm going to head over there
• 9:47:54
  right now. So we're going to shut it down
• 9:47:56
  and that's where we'll end up continuing to show.
• 9:47:59
  Eastmax, thank you for hanging out, man.
• 9:48:00
  You were a trooper all day. Dashton, thank you for being
• 9:48:03
  here as well. Sparkle, of course, always a
• 9:48:07
  pleasure head on over there and we'll pick up the show fresh.
• 9:48:11
  But I do appreciate you guys sticking it out and being a part
• 9:48:14
  of this today and going through the process with me.
• 9:48:16
  And I do appreciate all the contribution.
• 9:48:18
  And you too, Eastmax, thank you for what you had to contribute
• 9:48:21
  and say as well. Yeah, no problem man Anytime.
• 9:48:25
  So I'll catch you guys over there.
• 9:48:27
  I'll be over there in a few minutes.
• 9:48:29
  The link I just posted in the side chat there.
• 9:48:31
  So click on that and you guys can head over and I'll see you
• 9:48:34
  over there. And apparently, just so you guys
• 9:48:36
  know, we are at war again. Well, I mean, I'm not, I don't
• 9:48:41
  give a shit. I'm not in Christianity to be at
• 9:48:43
  war with anything in Christianity.
• 9:48:44
  But apparently the pod team has, as I guess fairly enough to
• 9:48:49
  easily to predict declared spiritual war on me and Dave and
• 9:48:54
  everyone else. And there's things we need to
• 9:48:56
  repent of. And you know, I don't give a
• 9:48:58
  shit. I honestly, at this point, I'm
• 9:49:02
  couched out of all that fucking garbage.
• 9:49:04
  Oh, some Christian on the internet's telling me I need to
• 9:49:07
  repent. A free gracer of all fucking
• 9:49:09
  things is telling me I need to repent of something.
• 9:49:12
  Oh, fuck off. I, I, I don't, I don't need this
• 9:49:15
  condescending bullshit. But head on over to Dave's.
• 9:49:18
  I'll meet you guys over there. We're going to shut this thing
• 9:49:20
  down. Thank you, Sparkle.
• 9:49:21
  Thank you, Dash. And I want to move you guys out.
• 9:49:24
  You guys want to join again, head on over to Dave's the news
• 9:49:28
  unit. Oh my God.
• 9:49:28
  Wow. OK, so thank you, guys.
• 9:49:32
  Thank you for being here. Posted the link in the side chat
• 9:49:34
  right there. Go ahead and click on it.
• 9:49:36
  You can go on over to Dave's and we'll pick up the show from
• 9:49:39
  there. And we will continue it.
• 9:49:41
  But thank you for being a part of this.
• 9:49:43
  Thank you for understanding, I guess as best as you can with
• 9:49:47
  all this shit that's been going on and all the nonsense.
• 9:49:51
  We'll see where this ends. I don't know how much energy I'm
• 9:49:55
  going to put into this in the next day or week or whatever.
• 9:49:59
  But you know, frankly, I am sick of this bullshit.
• 9:50:01
  I'm sick of Christianity. I'm sick of the nonsense, and
• 9:50:05
  it's leading me to be just sick of the Christian God.
• 9:50:08
  Frankly. It's kind of where I'm at.
• 9:50:11
  I guess I'll say to repeat something that went out a little
• 9:50:15
  earlier today to some very important people, which I do
• 9:50:19
  still mean as much as it's manifested the way it's
• 9:50:22
  manifested. And I told you guys to trust the
• 9:50:24
  process. I didn't know what else to say
• 9:50:26
  to you at this point other than that.
• 9:50:29
  But if you know me and you followed me for a hot minute, I
• 9:50:32
  figured you'd get it. You'd get what I'm talking
• 9:50:34
  about. And this is just something that
• 9:50:37
  needs to happen apparently. And I don't know where this is
• 9:50:41
  going to go or how this is going to end out, but I know that I
• 9:50:45
  don't want to continue like this with these fucking people, with
• 9:50:49
  this nonsense. These people are fakes and
• 9:50:53
  frauds. It's all ridiculous.
• 9:50:55
  And what am I? I just at some level I'm almost
• 9:50:58
  even selling out certain virtues for supposedly other virtues and
• 9:51:04
  I guess we'll just have to see. But anyway, link is there in the
• 9:51:07
  side chat. You guys can follow me over
• 9:51:08
  there. We're going to go to the news
• 9:51:10
  unit and start going through some stuff.
• 9:51:12
  I got to head out and pick up my lovely wife.
• 9:51:16
  I'm here in a minute and then we will take it from there.
• 9:51:19
  So head on over to Dave's. I will see you guys over there.
• 9:51:22
  I really appreciate it. I'm not even going to say the
• 9:51:26
  thing I normally say. I've always ended the show same
• 9:51:28
  peace of Christ, all the true Saints, but whatever, man, I
• 9:51:33
  don't even I don't even know about any of this anymore.
• 9:51:36
  Honestly, I'm done. I'm going to head over to Dave's
• 9:51:40
  and we'll find out what fresh doses of hellish, hateful
• 9:51:44
  condemnation we've gotten on top of everything else for the day.
• 9:51:47
  It's good spiritual insight, right?
• 9:51:49
  That's good. Holy Spirit inspiration to, you
• 9:51:52
  know, lay this on top right now. The free gracers want me to
• 9:51:55
  repent of shit. I mean, that's that's fucking
• 9:51:58
  that's amazing, isn't it? Whatever, man.
• 9:52:01
  All right, guys, I'll see you over there.
• 9:52:03
  Appreciate you. Thank you for watching.
• 9:52:05
  Thank you for being a part of the show today.
• 9:52:07
  I will see you when I see you. Take care guys.