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Episode #89: Your Health Questions Answered: What is a Fever & How Do You Manage It? · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_01: There are some exceptions to this.
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  SPEAKER_01: If a fever is, let's say, over 104 degrees, then I will do some fever reducing protocols, okay?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I'm just gonna run through some of these.
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  SPEAKER_01: And some of these, some of these I got from Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cowan, okay, and some of these are my own.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm gonna give you a warning about Tylenol, because that's still a chosen, preferred medication for children when they have a fever, and it and it should not be.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome everybody to another Beyond Labels podcast with yours truly, Joel Salatin, and our favorite researcher, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cena McCullough.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today's podcast, again, we're looking at a question.
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  SPEAKER_00: And again, we just thank you all for sending in questions.
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  SPEAKER_00: We we may uh not be able to get to all of them, but we do sift through and appreciate all the feedback that we get from everybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh so Cena, you've got a question from one of our listeners today about fever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, thank you, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_01: This comes from Chris Thomas.
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  SPEAKER_01: Chris says, I was listening to your Beyond Labels podcast, and y'all talked about fevers.
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  SPEAKER_01: I used to always sweat them out, but my wife freaks out about it for our kids.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so she wins.
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  SPEAKER_01: As wives, uh wives tend to win in these arguments.
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  SPEAKER_01: I could speak from experience on that one.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so Chris, Chris continues.
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  SPEAKER_01: My question is for little kids.
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  SPEAKER_01: What do you do for fevers?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is there a temperature that they get to where you would, in fact, medicate them?
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much, Chris, for this question.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, what I would like to do, because this is this is a highly individualized question, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is a medical question.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna say from the get-go, I'm not a medical doctor, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm a PhD research scientist, um, but I can walk you through the research and what we know and what I do.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I've also pulled advice from our a friend of the show, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thomas Cowan, all right, who is a medical doctor.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, what I want to do is I want to start with what is a fever, because that will set you up nicely to understand how I handle fevers and why I do what I do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's start here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Joel, if I asked you what is the human body made up of, what would you say?
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  SPEAKER_00: Made up of?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's primarily water.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um water and and uh water and microbes and uh I guess some some physical tissue, but uh that's about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, great.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a great start, and you're absolutely correct.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, on that physical level, we're largely made up of water.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pass the first test.
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  SPEAKER_01: There will be many more to come, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_01: So just making sure you're listening.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that's great.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, if you go to a layer below water, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: We're going to smaller units below water.
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  SPEAKER_01: What would the body be made of?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, then you go to molecular and atomic level, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so electrons, protons, neutrons.
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  SPEAKER_01: Very good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Very good, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_01: You passed the second test.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I would say at the very basic level, we are made up of energy.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're specifically light, but we are made up of energy for simplicity.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now let's build on that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, as you said, most of the body is on the physical level made up of water.
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  SPEAKER_01: The water in our bodies is not liquid water.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're taught in school a misnomer.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're taught that there are three phases of water, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Solid, liquid, and gas.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's actually a fourth phase of water.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like a gel.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think of it like jello.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is what we refer to as structured water or coherent water.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And by the way, if you're really interested in this topic, Joel and I discussed this in our book, Beyond Labels, in the water section.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So more in-depth knowledge there.
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  SPEAKER_01: The gist of it is this the structured water in the body creates negative charges.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those negative charges create an electromagnetic field.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you've heard me talk about this field in great detail.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is part of the biofield, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It is, and most of it is measurable, and Western medicine has measured it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the gist of it is that these negative charges that are created by the structured water is the energy of life, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It is the voltage or the energy of life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when that water is structured or coherent, you have health, you have vitality.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when the water is unstructured, meaning that gel gets distorted, it results in disease, physical or emotional disease.
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  SPEAKER_01: That gel becomes unstructured by different triggers like glyphosate, heavy metals, negative toxic thoughts, toxic emotions.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, we talked a lot about this on the show about holding on to emotions that distorts the gel.
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  SPEAKER_01: Man-made electromagnetic fields distort the gel and so forth.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the reason I tell you this background is because when you are sick, whether you're a child or an adult, that quote unquote sickness is really not a sickness.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not disease.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is your body's way of detoxifying.
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  SPEAKER_01: To put it as simple as possible, this is the way I explain it to my kids.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you are quote unquote sick, it means there's garbage in your gels in the body.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's garbage in your jello.
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  SPEAKER_01: It has, it's like distorting the jello, and your body needs to take out that trash.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one way that it takes out the trash is through a fever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: The purpose of the fever is it will heat up your structured water.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Joel, if you have jello and you heat it up, what happens to the jello?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh well, it starts to um it starts to uh uh dissipate and it goes all over the plate.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: It just liquefies.
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  SPEAKER_01: It yes, it turns back into a liquid.
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  SPEAKER_01: The same thing happens in the body.
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  SPEAKER_01: The structured water, which forms this gel in your body, when you heat it up through a fever, it starts to dissolve the gels.
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  SPEAKER_01: It starts to turn them more into the liquid stage of water.
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  SPEAKER_01: When that happens, it can release the toxins that have accumulated in the gel.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whether it is a physical toxin, like I mentioned, glyphosate, heavy metals, and so forth, or an emotional toxin like a stuck emotion.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it can release it then.
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  SPEAKER_01: And because it's a liquid, like runny state, you can get it out of the body through, for instance, blowing your nose, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Mucus coming out of the nose, or coughing up mucus, or sweating it out of the skin.
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  SPEAKER_01: The mucus and the skin are primary mechanisms for detoxification.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the bottom line is the fever helps to clean up your gels.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you need the clean gel in order to have health and vitality.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in our house, we kind of joke around with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'll say to my kids, like, okay, come walk the dogs with me or come exercise with me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they'll be like, Why?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why do I have to exercise?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'll tell them, because you got to melt your jello.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, and that's so that's how they understand it is we do this, you know, the activity, we do exercise in order to melt our jello so that every day we are detoxing our body.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so that's the premise behind what a fever is.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hope that makes sense, though, when I say a fever is important.
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  SPEAKER_01: In our modern culture, we tend to suppress the fever, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: We even have products like Tylenol for kids in order to suppress a fever.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you don't want to suppress the fever because it is the body's way of detoxifying from whatever toxin um is in that body, in the gels of it and so forth.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I don't suppress fever.
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  SPEAKER_00: See you just to just just to clarify, make sure that we're we're all on the same page here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is this why is this one of the reasons why um exercise is so important?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, because you you get you get hot when you exercise and you sweat when you exercise.
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  SPEAKER_00: And of course, uh then you then you start talking about you know Native American sweat lodges.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh, and so that that curative, that curative process of um I I had an old guy here one time who was picking up firewood, and I was helping him, and I would I I'm a I'm a prodigious sweater.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when I work, I just sweat.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, my it sweats all the way down to my knees on my pants.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I just sweat uh drain.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and this guy told me he was an old old geezer, and and he looked at me and he said, He said, you know, anybody that can sweat like that has to be healthy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh and and what what he was saying was when you can't sweat, you're clogged up and you can't you can't excrete stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so you actually want to be able uh to sweat.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a really good thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh, and so that that exercise, working, working, working up a sweat um is not just to keep your joints lubricated, it's it's a it has incredible curative properties.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's absolutely correct.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's one reason why when people are sick, like with the chronic or you know, autoimmune condition, one of the recommendations is often a sauna, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because sometimes you're so sick you can't actually exercise.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, then the alternative is go sit in a sauna.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it does make you sweat, and it is to make these gels into a liquid state so you can release the toxins.
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  SPEAKER_01: And to your point, when I was studying exercise physiology as my minor at UC Davis, they taught us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, of course, you never know if this is true, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: But this is what they taught us that um that sweating is actually an adaptation.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the more healthy you become, the more your act your body will actually sweat, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You're adapting to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it which fits in alignment with, you know, because you're getting healthier now.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're getting more efficient, let's say, at getting toxins out of your body, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's that whole you've got to do it um repetitively, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not all I'm gonna exercise once this week.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a repetitive thing and your body will adapt and you will become more efficient at detoxing your body.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you're absolutely correct.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we don't want to suppress these fevers.
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  SPEAKER_01: They are our friend, they are God designed to help us get rid of whatever is ailing our bodies.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, there are some exceptions to this.
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  SPEAKER_01: If a fever is, let's say, over 104 degrees, then I will do some fever-reducing protocols.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I'm just gonna run through some of these.
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  SPEAKER_01: And some of these, some of these I got from Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cowan, okay, and some of these are my own.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm gonna give you a warning about Tylenol, because that's still a chosen, preferred medication for children when they have a fever, and it and it should not be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cowan says that you know, if it's over 104, here's some ways that you can reduce it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's really important to understand that the fever itself is not what's dangerous.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's that the metabolism runs fast.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when you have a high fever, you have a higher risk of dehydration, and the blood sugar can drop.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when the blood sugar drops, it can lead to convulsions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So some things you can do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you can have your child sip on um fresh fruit juice that's been diluted 50% with water.
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  SPEAKER_01: So half water, half, half um fresh fruit juice, that will help keep the tissues hydrated and keep the blood sugar levels in a normal range.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, sometimes the kids don't want to drink anything when they feel so sick.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, what you can do is I've not done this, but this is one of Cowan's suggestions.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can administer about four ounces of that diluted fruit juice using a bulb syringe.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can administer it rectally.
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  SPEAKER_01: The body, he says, will absorb it rectally, it won't run out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it and according to him, it could save your child a trip to the emergency room.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you can also food, food will naturally drop a fever within about 20 minutes or so.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it will last for about an hour or two.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if your child will eat, then you can give them little bites of food.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it doesn't have to be a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some of his suggestions were a little bit of scrambled egg or a few sips of like broth, particularly if you can get them to have broth with fresh pressed garlic in it, like a fresh minced garlic, that can help.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it won't take the fever away, but it can bring them down under the 104 degree.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, also, so those don't Joel, you want to jump in?
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  SPEAKER_00: I do because that that that uh you know, there's an old uh saying, uh, I think it's uh feet feet of fever starve a cold.
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  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever heard that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Feet of fever, starve a cold, and that's that's exactly what you're describing here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, to feed the fever.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I I've never heard it from a scientific standpoint before.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's really uh that's really cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's so much wisdom that has been passed down to us, but we kind of don't, you know, harness the power of that wisdom.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I like this recommendation as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and there's a few more.
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  SPEAKER_01: So one thing you can do is a water enema, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, nobody likes to do enemas, and this would probably be my last resort.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a big fan of enemas, but it's better than an emergency room visit, in my opinion.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, what he says to do is you take a thick beach towel and a washable pillow and you stick it in the tub, and you lay your child on the side without taking the child's clothes off.
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  SPEAKER_01: He says just slide the pajama down a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what you want to do is to the end of the um nozzle on the enema, you put a little bit of coconut oil there as lubrication.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, then you place one half to a quart of lukewarm-filled water in the bag, and you insert the enema nozzle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, give the enema.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then your child's obviously gonna feel like pressure and they want to go to the bathroom.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but when that happens, then gently put them on the toilet, allow them to rid the body of whatever wants to come out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that usually he says, will bring the fever down by a degree or even two.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, so that's another one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, another thing to keep in mind is that a high fever will use up vitamin A pretty quickly.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, what we do is if our children have a high fever and they can tolerate it, we give about a half a teaspoon of cod liver oil.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and what I do is at little bits at a time.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'll use like a little eyedropper and just drop it underneath the tongue, like a couple drops underneath the tongue, um, just to help them to maintain vitamin A status, because obviously that is also important for helping to heal the body.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so whatever you, and I'll give a couple more natural remedies, but I want to say at this point, whatever you do, I would not give Tylenol.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Tylenol is marketed by Johnson Johnson as a fever reliever, including to infants and children.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it is over-the-counter, but it's actually been shown and continues to be shown to be highly toxic.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's research showing that it has serious neurological and psychiatric impacts.
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  SPEAKER_01: We know now through studies, etylenol consumption increases to it contributes to the development of autism.
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  SPEAKER_01: It also contributes to the development of risk-taking behavior and attention deficit disorder.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in 2017, there's actually an article published in Journal of Um of Hepatology.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what they said was that acetaminophen, you know, Tylenol.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm just going to read you the quote.
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  SPEAKER_01: Acetaminophen is the most commonly used drug for the treatment of pain and fever around the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it is capable of causing dose-related hepatocellular necrosis, it's which basically means it's toxic to the liver.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's responsible for nearly 500 deaths every year in the US alone.
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  SPEAKER_01: It um the Tylenol toxicity dwarfs all other prescription drugs as a cause for acute liver failure in the United States and Europe, but it is not regulated in any significant way.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Tylenol is caused for 46% of all acute liver failure in the US.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and as I said, outlined already, it's very toxic and can have lasting effects, like contributing to develop of autism and ADHD.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we don't use that at all in our house.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: One thing that I do use is turmeric.
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  SPEAKER_01: So for a child, it's a little more difficult to get them to consume turmeric, but you can get it in a powdered form and mix it in, you know, with like the water juice 50-50 ratio we talked about.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I like to use it in a tincture because it is liquid, it's fast absorbing into the body because of because of the liquid um liquid application.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I take a little bit of the turmeric tincture and place it under their tongue.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that helps and turmeric has been shown through studies to reduce fever and will also help reduce the inflammation that is occurring during these detoxification processes that we call sickness.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you can also do things like, you know, the cool water washcloths.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't just put water on it.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: You can if if their body wants it, you can soak the cloth in apple cider vinegar, you know, organic apple cider vinegar, and leave it on either the forehead or wrap it around the foot for about 20 minutes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you can also use herbs like sandalwood or peppermint tea or minced garlic.
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  SPEAKER_01: Typically, you would boil it for about 10 minutes and let it cool a little bit and then drink it.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: I use um for myself cayenne peppers because they contain um capsaicin, and that actually can help.
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  SPEAKER_01: It can make you sweat and help bring the body temperature down more quickly.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: I consume that in tincture form.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, some studies recommend combining the turmeric with boswalia, and uh, and that has been shown to bring down fever as well, I mean, including in children.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, my generalized approach, because I'm giving you lots of different lots of different suggestions here.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: My generalized approach is I tap into my intuition to see what my child's body wants.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I always start with the least invasive and move and then move toward the most invasive, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: The most invasive to me would be the enema, right?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Least invasive is gonna be these um cool washcloths, uh, you know, moving up to the turmeric and and then so forth.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: So that's generally how I perceive fever, why I don't suppress the fever until unless it gets to 104.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm not really suppressing it, right?
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not trying to give it like a Tylenol to knock it out.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to help the body to gently um achieve the state of detox uh you know more efficiently, help it along to be more efficient in the process so that the fever doesn't stay sustained.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that makes sense.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: And it sounds like it sounds like you know, when you when you cut to the chase on the question, uh, you know, the these questions always have nuances that we can't read through the question.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so the question doesn't ask doesn't it doesn't say, well, my wife has tried all these things, uh uh did all these things and it didn't bring the fever down below 104.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I think I think our assumption uh on this question is probably that all these things you just mentioned are not being done uh proactively with the child.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so um so we're we're not we're not punting on the question.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think that we're we're answering it in a way To describe alternatives to the ER.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: So here on the on Beyond Labels, if we said that the ER is the label equivalent of health, um, what we're trying to offer is is a way so you don't have to go to ER at all, and you are beyond that label, you are outside that system.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's where we want to go uh as much as possible.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's exactly right.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's realizing that you are enough, right?
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so we're trying to empower you and part of that is equipping you with knowledge and resources so that when that your child does spike a fever, you're not afraid, right?
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: You're not afraid of what might happen, that you might not be able to handle it.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because trust me, I've been there.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: I had to learn as I went.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: I was trained in Western medicine as well.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, when my child did spike a fever several years ago, actually, my husband um thought I was being cruel to our children by not giving them Tylenol.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so here I am trying to deal with my child having this high fever and hoping the next child doesn't get it and I didn't feel good.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then I have my husband saying, Why aren't you giving them Tylenol?
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're being mean.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like you, you know, you do you want to see them suffer?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Well, of course I don't want to see them suffer.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: But you see, we hadn't had this conversation prior to of the basic concept of what is a fever?
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: What is the purpose of a fever?
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: So we were not aligned.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I can completely relate when Chris is saying that his wife, quote unquote, freaks out, and so she wins out because now you're in this state, your child has a fever, right?
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have a plan, you don't have a plan going into it.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: Then your child gets a fever and you're not aligned on your principles.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: The parents aren't aligned, like I wasn't with my husband.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so then you're afraid and you don't feel supported, and you might tend to be like, okay, well, then I'm gonna outsource my power and just take the child to the doctor.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not saying don't do that, right?
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: If you need to do that, then that's your choice, right?
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: But what I'm saying is it is helpful to have a plan in place, right?
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: To empower yourself.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like now I have this plan.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: I have these action steps.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: If there is a fever that that does occur, and my husband and I have already discussed what is a fever, what do we think about it, what's our our plan moving forward as a team?
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because it was very difficult in that time.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he was very upset with me that I would let them have a fever.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: And he thought it was because um I was so against the pharmaceutical industry that I would deprive my child of a medication.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought, well, why would I ever do that?
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like I just want what's best for my child, you know, and I'm not opposed to anything.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in favor of working with the body, right?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so this these protocols that I have proposed today help you work with the body to let it achieve its goal of getting the toxins out of the body through eliciting the fever.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: So um, you know, Cena, that that is such a that is such a foreign um a foreign concept, I think, in our culture, isn't it?
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: We we considered we we view in in our Western reductionist linear mindset, we we view almost uh um bodies as as um I don't know uh as disembodied things um as opposed to this this intricate uh um exchanging.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Our bodies are an incredible exchange mechanism that that are that are exchanging one thing for another, one thing for another.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: They're exchanging nutrients for energy and and and and it's this it's this amazing.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I don't I don't even know enough to to know the language to describe it, but you see what I'm saying?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: And we tend to view the child as well, here's a you know, here's a car that needs a part changed, you know, um uh in a in a very uh mechanistic way.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm really struck.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm working on my new book right now, and I'm I'm dealing with with this whole mechanical view of life, and I'm I'm struck by how much it rears its ugly head all the time.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um that and and we even view ourselves as a as a car.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I've got this.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well, switch out the bearing, uh, change out the transmission, you know.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um we we view ourselves that way.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so what you've done what you've described is beautiful.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's it's the it's the it's the uh most concise, precise, uh uh beautiful rendition of this whole energy exchange, this this energy exchange autonomy that's going on in our body that includes our mental and spiritual energy exchange.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: And this is all it's either it's either extractive or it's regenerative within that whole exchange.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: I've never used the word exchange like that before, but but but I hope I hope it explains um there's all these things going on and they're exchanging.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: They're they're trying to reach homeostasis balance, and they're exchanging.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: And and um, and I think your description there of of why there's fever and how the body's trying to exchange one thing for another is uh is just is just profound.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: And if we could get people to really embrace that, then we would all be freed up to listen to our exchange, to listen to what's going on, and then respond to it uh in in a nurturing way rather than a mechanical uh parts-oriented way.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I love the word exchange that you're using because as I said at the onset of this podcast, the basic unit of life is energy, and energy is neither created nor destroyed, it's exchanged, it's transferred, right?
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so what we tend to forget, and and we are taught, you know, I was trained in Western medicine, we are taught the body is a machine, and that I mean we're literally taught this, and you know, as long as it has all the moving pieces, the micronutrients, the enzymes that you need, as long as it has all those pieces, it works like clockwork.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: But the right fuel, the right as long as it has the right fuel, that's right, it works like clockwork, and what what we don't do, um, and I've been thinking about this a lot in preparing for our summit.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: What are the mistakes science has made?
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: Big mistake.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: We've taken God out of the medical system.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: So when we look at the body as a machine, we don't look at it as God's brilliance that's coming through in our form, right?
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so we fight the body, we think of the body actually.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna say something kind of, I feel like you, you're rubbing off onto me.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: I usually don't um say such kind of, you know, I want to say crude things, but but what comes to mind is we in our culture, we treat the body as though it's stupid.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: We really do we treat the body like it's stupid, it's going rogue, it doesn't know what it's doing, and now I have to fight the body to get it to submit right to to make it conform to what modern medicine is telling me it should and shouldn't be doing, right?
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: But the body has infinite wisdom that we can't even understand.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: And like you said, if we can learn to listen to the body, this is what I talk about, tapping into that intuition, listen to it, we're gonna realize it's so much smarter than any of us can ever be, right?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's made by God, it's operated by God.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Listen to him, right?
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: Listen to what he's trying to tell you about how the body actually functions, and we would all be better off.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh, how many people do you know that suppress the fever?
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like I know so many people that they go in to get their kids vaccinated and they preemptively give them a dose of Tylenol for kids, right?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: Because they know that from past experience, when they vaccinated their kids, it it caused a fever.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: We got a fever, and so why did the vaccine cause a fever?
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because you just injected a toxin into the body, it's trying to get rid of it.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's very simple.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's what's great.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I know we're running out of time, so I'll I'll close on this.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: We can talk about this in more detail later, but the body, um, while it's beautiful and it and it's much more intricately designed and complicated than like our minds can can imagine, but it's also based on simple principles.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: The simple principles like you can't create or destroy energy, right?
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's transferring these energies, like um, it doesn't want toxins to be put into it.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: And when you put a toxin in it, it's gonna try to get rid of it because it's helping you, and it will do that by melting your jello, like these very basic yeah, and I I think I think, yeah, and we are out of time, but I think um I think one of the things that I so appreciate that you have brought to this awareness for me is that these toxins are not necessarily some of the worst toxins are not physical toxins.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: They're emotional toxins, they're spiritual toxins.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: So we're in a we're in a toxic relationship, we're in a we're in a toxic business arrangement.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: We're in a toxic all of these, all of these um work work on us, even at the subconscious level, toxicity that we don't even realize.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so we actually need to work at we need to work at forgiveness, we need to work at letting go.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: We need to work, we can't just we can't just it's cool.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: You you you have to you have to set aside uh proactive remedial time to make that list of people you don't like and and and and I forgive John, I forgive Jane, I forgive Mike.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: You can't just, oh, it's okay, it's cool, you know.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh uh God's got this, it's cool.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, no, no, no.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: You you have you have to work at it and invest in that kind of detoxification.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and I just so appreciate you have brought you have brought that to my awareness uh in in just a very special way, and I I just really appreciate it.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thanks, Joel.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm glad I can contribute something amongst your vast array of knowledge.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, no, you contribute uh all the time.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: But but that but that that that that that view that view of our bodies the way you've described it in this podcast, I think is not only beautiful, but it's so it's so helpful uh that if we can embrace it, we will we will identify those threads and seek those threads.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what's the what's the what's the thing here?
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: What what what did this, what created this?
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: And we start viewing how our body is exchanging.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so we're we're so then we come along to nur to nourish, nurture, supplement, massage, caress, however you want to to balance out, to balance out that that exchange a little better.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't summarize it better myself.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I want to thank again Chris, um Thomas for sending in this question.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we hope we answer that to the best of our ability.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: And we will see you all next week.