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Random Heathen Ramblings: S4, EP20 - History & Heathenry w/ Päpä Olofsson · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Hello everyone and welcome to the random Heathen ramblings
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  podcast, where we discuss all sorts of things.
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  Dramatic, Heathen re related. My name is Jessie.
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  But we got Papa olives and coming on here today from few
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  Olivet here. And we're going to be talking
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  about, you know, history with in heat and Rain just history in
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  general. Because there's there's a
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  question or not a question, but a topic suggestion that got
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  in the next segment and then we're going to welcome into the
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  podcast. Hope you guys enjoy.
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  Thank you so much. Right.
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  All right, folks. Well, we've got Papa listen back
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  here. They all of its here is.
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  So if you have a workshop is the is the the business side of
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  things, but I've heard you mention pop up before the alpha
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  tear Mountain, Shamanism, is it all?
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  It's all one in the same essentially, right?
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  I'm it's all one of the same as in, it's right here.
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  And it's a right here from me, feel the chill.
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  Workshop is the craft side of things where we do the drones
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  and rooms, and rattles and spiritual tools.
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  And where's and then fill the tier Mountain Spirit Shamanism,
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  it's a setup right now is an LLC, but that's where we do some
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  of the spiritual workshops and drum circle sessions and
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  different. Aunt aspects of spirituality
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  exploring practices techniques and methods.
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  So the, the the classroom or the, or the fieldwork applying
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  the the tools that you that you craft essentially.
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  Yeah. So you're all part of it.
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  I mean, I mentioned to the folks here in any intro, you know,
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  you're no stranger to the podcast.
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  I've been a return guest multiple times, you know, dear
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  friend of mine, a brother of mine, one of the, one of the few
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  who I've just, you know, share that title with.
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  And it's a great honor to have you back here.
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  So, thanks for taking the time to come and wrap with me a bit
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  about this topic today. Absolutely, that it's an honor
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  to be back. But before we do get into it,
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  I'm just curious. Um, what what, what are some
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  things that you have going on, maybe?
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  Public-wise. Like you got I know you've been
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  even vending at some local like Viking festivals and whatnot
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  that have surfaced in the area. Is there anything else coming up
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  to your soon where you're going to be in person with your wear
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  with your wares and other items in the area?
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  There are a few that we're talking about.
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  We just finished up the mediaeval Fest that happened
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  here in North Wilkesboro, is it huge, huge meat event, the North
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  Carolina, To meet Alliance, I think I've got that right.
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  But over nine Master meet makers and Crafts People brought that
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  delicious nectar of the Gods out to share with the public and so
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  that was a fantastic event as far as going out publicly with
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  the drums and things that I make here, I believe our next one is
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  going to be the wood fire and smoke Festival.
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  That's happening in Lenoir. North Carolina, a little bit
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  later on into the summer season. We're going to tell you a little
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  bit of time off from public events.
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  In what we take to sell for the summer to host.
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  A few workshops drum building. Workshops throttle workshops
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  here at the spot at the actual few of us here.
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  Workshop is there, if people are listening and watching and they
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  Want to get out on the workshop type things is that where can
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  they find? That we will have that posted up
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  on the social media page. It'll come available also on the
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  website we're still yet to set the dates for those working
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  through some of the materials now making sure that I've got
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  enough materials before offering sign up to people.
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  So that way I know what sort of capacity.
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  What number we're going to cap it at for each Workshop that we
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  should have those. Those dates up and made public
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  within the next couple of weeks. And then from there you'll be
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  able to sign up on the website. But all that will be on our
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  social media, the Facebook page and Instagram.
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  Sweet. Yeah, and I'll be I'll be
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  linking all of your socials and your and your website in the
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  show notes and description areas for the viewers and what not to
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  catch. So if everybody's in the area or
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  was willing to maybe make a road trip for it, I can I can
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  personally attest that you know time spent with with Papa in the
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  material that he is so good at crafting, plus the knowledge and
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  just the experience of it all sharing in that.
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  That moment is is definitely worth it.
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  So definitely follow along on their social medias and if
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  you're not on social media, just check back on their website for
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  when those things get posted and then definitely do check it out
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  and support them because it's a great experience overall.
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  I feel I'm not done the workshop part of it, but I've worked with
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  you and in some other capacities, right?
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  Like we've definitely shared those those moments together.
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  So Definitely encourage people to check on a few of the
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  workshops here in the past not hosted here at filled with your
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  Workshop, which is my residence. But in the area people will come
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  up and you know make the most of it or make the weekend of it.
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  Even though the workshop is a one day or an hour and a half
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  tight thing, we're in the Blue Ridge, Mountains of Appalachia
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  and there's just so much to do and take you in here.
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  If you are looking for experiencing the beauty of
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  Nature. Also the trails the mountains.
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  The waterfalls just followed, it's fantastic.
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  It's a fantastic place to be. Yeah, fully agree.
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  You know and for those that aren't in the area that we take
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  to get to live vicariously through you, I guess, because
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  you share so much on your social media to, you know, open the the
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  the eyes open that part of the world, you know, into people's
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  homes and it's a great thing, I think it's inspiring.
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  And a lot of ways, that's more than anything, an effort to
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  share the truth of Appalachia. Over the course of its history.
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  It's getting such a bad reputation, it's been
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  demoralized. made fun of in so many different ways, whether it
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  be the dialect or and the standard or state of living, but
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  many of those things aren't true as you can see through What?
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  I share of the real Appalachia. Yeah, that's a great.
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  That's a great Segway. I would say you mentioned,
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  Appalachia, getting a bad rap or because of history and what
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  happens to be the topic of the podcast this week but that of
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  history, and how it has really in some ways been either
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  mistranslated or or altered in this question, or this this
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  topic in, you know, was, was something shared by Someone that
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  I think you know but it's old wolf music and up here on the
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  screen you guys that are watching are going to see the
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  question that they posted and it's something that, you know,
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  you papa in your various platforms, have have shared
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  thoughts on multiple times yourself, but the question where
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  the mention thing was, they feel like it would be highly
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  beneficial hugely beneficial to the Greater Community, talking
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  about how and where the old lore.
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  So we're talking like, maybe Something more on the heat
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  inside of things. But how lore and history has
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  either been mistranslated or purposely altered over time and
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  you kind of alluded to that in your own backyard, right?
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  That they Appalachia area, where you're where you've settled down
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  and where you're from. So what type of things would you
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  maybe start off with saying, in Appalachia that have like, you
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  mentioned language and whatnot but what do you think something?
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  Historically or whatnot that have been missed misrepresented
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  or altered purposely, maybe first, and foremost, the people,
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  the people of Appalachia, you started off with the indigenous
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  population here, which in this part of the Blue Ridge in
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  Appalachia, where the Cherokee and then we had all the Scots
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  Irish settlers to come over during the settlement period.
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  The colonial days and most of the land in North Carolina and
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  the coastal lands were taken up by the early settlers though
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  they were already spoken for. It's right.
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  As soon as you get off the boat, it's by the water.
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  Your trade is there back and forth to England or two.
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  Denmark or wherever you're coming over from.
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  So the scots-irish didn't have the opportunity, they didn't
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  have the wealth to save money and to purchase land there at
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  that most convenient level and they were pushed further toward
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  the mountains. The city Folk that we're coming
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  over from London, England or wherever the uppity people, they
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  didn't want to live. That rough lifestyle that
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  Frontier type lifestyle where your Fully rely on yourself to
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  survive. They needed their shops, and
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  their stores, and to be able to go and purchase their goods
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  rather than take care for themselves.
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  But some of those other people were more than accustomed to
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  that ready for that. And so settled here in the
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  Appalachian Mountains, most of the bad reputation came around
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  during the height of the revolutionary period or the
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  Industrial Revolution. I should say it was Purposely
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  demoralized by those corporations and companies
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  because of the natural resources and Appalachian.
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  Coal is a big one, nickel gold silver.
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  The lumber the timber. So many natural resources here
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  that were right for the picking and nobody had access them
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  before or were able to exploit those resources.
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  So, in order to get these things at the lowest cost to the
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  companies, you demoralize the land, you make it cheap and you
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  make it cheap by making the people cheat.
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  Yeah, I was talking with somebody on a was a guest on
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  another podcast, just this past week.
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  It was the Great Horn pagans podcast.
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  And that podcast is hosted by a gentleman out of the
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  Netherlands. So the podcast kind of just went
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  different ways. Much like ours does here
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  randomly, so to speak but we ended up sitting and talking a
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  bit about Out. Colonization and the area where
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  I'm from in the Northeast, you know, it was settled by the
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  Dutch. We should he's Dutch, you know.
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  So there was like a commonality, we got to speak in about how
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  the, you know, the colonizers or people from across the pond, you
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  know, they they came over and in some ways, you know, lived side
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  by side with the indigenous people that were that were here.
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  Here and learned things of of value.
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  But like you're saying, most of the people who came over here
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  early, like, I'm talking like the Mayflower, you know that
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  that mass migration didn't come from from the Netherlands
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  because it's such a small country.
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  You know, if they all migrated then there wouldn't be the
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  Netherlands as we know it now really.
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  They you know, they would have it would have all come over but
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  it was the rich people you were talking about like uppity folks
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  from the cities and stuff. It was the people who had in the
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  money. The finances to be able to buy
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  their way through things. Instead of they needed, we
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  needed to prolong that wealth and natural resources and
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  Europe. At the time, we're depleting,
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  they had been running through them for thousands of years.
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  So now this new world has been discovered and that's new
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  resources. Okay?
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  We're almost tapped out of gold here in.
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  Pain. But this guy says that he just
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  found some place across the ocean where they've got it.
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  Flowing through the rivers and could care less.
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  So let's go get that. It was never really so much a
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  mission of exploration for the for the good of humankind to.
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  Let's explore our globe and find out, let's map it out and that
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  way we can connect and practice trade better.
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  It was Grabs for resources, grabs for land and wealth, this
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  acquisition exploitation versus exploration.
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  Yeah. You know one of the other things
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  that came up on that and if they probably Rings true was like we
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  talked about like the Mayflower you know the you read about it
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  in schools is one of those major history things that you learn
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  about. The one of the things, you know,
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  talking about how history is misrepresented or altered is,
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  you know, you don't hear so much about Who actually was came over
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  in the school books. They do.
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  They say it was the English that that came over.
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  It was a lot of Dutch. It was a lot of Scottish and
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  Irish like you're saying so even to that that point of History
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  you know which relatively speaking world history, I mean
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  we're less than a thousand years earlier you know, of six seven
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  hundred years ago, you know, roughly tops.
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  When, when all that happened and now in today that history has
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  been re Worded or written to not even accurately convey.
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  Who got over here. Who came over here with that.
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  With that migration period, you know, it still has some very
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  pleasant story about exploration.
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  Yeah, it keeps everybody. Calm and gives you a sense of
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  Pride while that's that's where I came from and these are all
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  good things. Yeah, forget the fact that the
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  there was all these genocide and all these other real terrible
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  things that happen. Let's keep it nice and pleasant
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  like you said, right? That's it's exactly what the
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  topic is tonight. We've got all these stories and
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  books and literature that's provided and taught in our
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  public schools. And you think if anything surely
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  I can count on a history book. Surely I can count on a history
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  teacher that that history teacher learned from that
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  history book and on back to the beginning when that particular
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  version of History was written and it was written for a reason.
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  It's to keep that calm and quiet.
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  Nobody's going to be proud to know how it actually happened.
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  Louisa shameful things. Right, you know, and what do you
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  think about? How history is written with,
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  with bias? You feel like there's there's
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  bias included, even in history and the history, books,
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  historical, text sources from wherever, I mean we will move
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  into like the Germanic stuff than or stuff, but 100%
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  absolutely do and all around the world and it's not just a
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  Christian thing, it's not just a pagan thing, it's not just an
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  American thing, it's this This is something that has happened
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  throughout history by history, since the dawn of History, the
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  Victor writes history. History remembers Kings you,
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  write it how you want it to be remembered what was it?
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  That's how it actually happened or not, the pen is mightier than
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  the sword and if you will both You win that battle, you get to
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  write it. However, you want, you've got a
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  monopoly pretty much you just you've just taken over.
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  You've conquered the people at the ground level, you've
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  conquered people at the Mind, academic level.
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  I mean that's heavy duty stuff, and I always have when they say,
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  I'm not necessarily always, but especially in my pursuit of my
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  Beliefs and this the style of heathen rewrite, how I've kind
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  of grown into this. I've said, for a long time that
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  I love the history side of things.
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  I enjoy learning about things from ancient times and learning
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  about how things were done. I've just never fully jumped
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  over to that side of the fence or jumped off the other ship to
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  say. That's the only way I'm going to
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  practice. It has to be historically back
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  because I Don't think that as much of the history as we have,
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  I don't think that it's 100% accurate or true, all of the
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  time. Yeah, sure.
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  Like there's there's definite points of time in history that,
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  you know how how bloked was was done, you know, in the hamstring
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  lasogga, you know, when it was done where, you know, with whom
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  whatever like stuff like that, but how much of it by the time
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  it got written down? Was.
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  Again, for not just religious reasons, but for political
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  reasons, for other reasons at the time, written down, or
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  portrayed to present a certain agenda or whatever, right?
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  And it can even happen without any sort of agenda or intent for
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  personal gain it can happen completely innocently.
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  Take for example let's go with. Was it germanica tacitus?
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  Yeah. Germanium.
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  Yeah traveled and traveled and recorded his trials.
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  And so, a lot of the people in the Norse, Pagan Arena will
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  reference that and they'll reference that because it's a
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  source. This is telling us what this
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  person saw in that time being practiced by these people.
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  And so, we've got the one reference to rooms.
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  We get that a lot. What should runes be made of
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  stone bone, would fruit bearing wall?
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  Would and he recorded that he stayed with a family.
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  The father of the family took carved rooms from a fruit tree
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  and by himself went and cast them to get an answer to a
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  question on something that the family had coming up.
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  He recorded that. And so now that's what we have.
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  Meanwhile, next door somebody could have had bone runes and
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  next door from them. They could have used wood rims
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  from it, non fruit-bearing tree, but he recorded this instance
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  and it was honest, it was genuine.
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  He had no agenda about it, he recorded it, he wrote it down
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  and that's what we have to read now.
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  So the, that's what we go on, but we stick to it.
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  As if that is, the only way because it's sourced, it's
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  written. It's in a book.
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  That's great, but it's not absolute.
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  Yeah, I agree in some things and here's kind of the reason why I
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  agree with that specific example, because tacitus wrote
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  things down that he didn't even see.
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  He was documenting things down that his Roman troops had had
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  experience. He wasn't even an eyewitness to
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  most of these things. He was kind of like a secondary
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  source of those times, you know? So he was like, oh well, you
• 25:23
  know, lucious came back from from Patrol and he, you know,
• 25:28
  was guarding this one Homesteader, he was, you know,
• 25:30
  whatever. And he saw this.
• 25:33
  And he told me about it. So let me write it down, right?
• 25:35
  So there's there's some of that too.
• 25:37
  It's almost like when we when we tell stories or that old-school
• 25:40
  game telephone, where I say one thing and then I say it into the
• 25:44
  ear of the person next to me and around and around it goes.
• 25:47
  And by the time it gets back to To me.
• 25:48
  It's a totally different story than way than the way it
• 25:51
  started. And I think history Plays off in
• 25:54
  the same type of pattern, there's whether I saw it there
• 25:59
  or not, I heard a story I thought who that's going to be
• 26:02
  cool, right? Let me, let me write that down.
• 26:04
  Let me jot that down. And then either because of the
• 26:07
  language, somebody comes somebody else comes along and
• 26:10
  then they reading. And I, well, that's not a word
• 26:12
  that I'm aware that I'm fully familiar with what could he have
• 26:16
  meant by that. And so they translated into
• 26:19
  their language, and then it becomes a totally different
• 26:21
  thing. Now, all of a sudden, for
• 26:22
  instance, The thing you're talking about the runes, I don't
• 26:27
  even think that, at least in the modern translations of it, that
• 26:29
  it even says rooms. It says that they would cast
• 26:31
  lots. And those lots were cut from
• 26:34
  fruit, bearing trees. And on those branches, on those
• 26:37
  pieces were carved marks or something.
• 26:40
  I don't even think it specifically, says rooms.
• 26:42
  However, we have over time, just come to sort of accept the fact
• 26:46
  that this is probably ruin magic.
• 26:49
  We don't know what it was for sure, but we deduce that it
• 26:52
  could be ruins. May have not been but things
• 26:57
  because of the translation we're able to develop our
• 27:00
  interpretation. Yeah, and there's a huge
• 27:04
  difference between those two things.
• 27:05
  I know they sound very similar translate and interpret but they
• 27:08
  are very very different. We're going to base our
• 27:11
  interpretations on the translation itself.
• 27:14
  And speaking of that you just mentioned the language barriers,
• 27:18
  even now today in all the connection that we have with the
• 27:23
  world and that Through language and communication, we still have
• 27:27
  language barriers. You'll speak with people in
• 27:30
  foreign countries. That will say we don't have a
• 27:34
  word for that or that doesn't translate.
• 27:37
  Instead, we say this and it's a group of work instead of a
• 27:40
  single thing that we might say or will have a phrase that they
• 27:43
  have a single word for, but they don't really translate.
• 27:47
  So even now today and all this connection and we still have
• 27:50
  those barriers imagine 580 you only ever heard Latin.
• 27:58
  And now all the sudden you've been charged to go into this
• 28:01
  place where these everything is different.
• 28:05
  The culture is different, the communities are different, the
• 28:08
  dress is different, everything is different and you have to
• 28:12
  record it all. So you've got an old Norse or
• 28:17
  let's even go old, Icelandic speaking person telling a story
• 28:22
  that has been passed down to them five generations.
• 28:25
  And each time that story has been passed down orally.
• 28:28
  It's been changed a little bit, especially if it's passed to
• 28:30
  Father's some Father's. Love set, add their own little
• 28:35
  bits into a story to make it funny or more.
• 28:37
  Interesting. So now you've got this story
• 28:40
  that's been passed down from five generations.
• 28:42
  Orderly being told in old, Icelandic to a Latin monk or
• 28:47
  scribe, who is trying his damndest because he's got to
• 28:51
  record this. He's been charged to do it.
• 28:54
  He asked to bring this home the history of this people.
• 29:01
  Yeah, and then when it gets edited and it gets retranslated
• 29:05
  and fixed, and well, I don't think they meant this.
• 29:09
  So I'm going to put this word instead.
• 29:11
  There's so much room for so many things to be so far, from what
• 29:17
  the actual story was. And now here we are in 2023 with
• 29:23
  Hall wonder, and Oliver and braised and all these other
• 29:28
  translators that were reading from.
• 29:33
  Well I've also noticed just how much history changes in very
• 29:37
  recent time for like will just say, you know, at some point
• 29:43
  within the last hundred years or less even pagans nowadays who
• 29:48
  have been doing this for a very long time, right.
• 29:50
  Most of their whole lives that they they before the internet
• 29:54
  before knowledge was so readily available and easy to access.
• 29:59
  You know you had to spend time at a library you had to go Go to
• 30:03
  a university to get formal teaching or you had to know
• 30:07
  somebody who had that knowledge already and learn from them look
• 30:11
  like as an apprentice as it were even even now in today with in,
• 30:16
  like I said, the last less than hundred years.
• 30:19
  There's, there's things that people have that they were doing
• 30:22
  things a certain way, you know, 40 years ago because that was
• 30:26
  the information available at the time and now have Shifted,
• 30:30
  pivoted changed, even how they've done things because the
• 30:34
  historical sources that they were reading from back.
• 30:36
  Then, all of a sudden are like, well guys, we got it wrong.
• 30:41
  Why did you get it wrong? Why wouldn't that history?
• 30:43
  You know, like how do we would have?
• 30:45
  We you mean you got it wrong? Well, we dug up.
• 30:48
  This one thing and we realized that what we thought back then
• 30:50
  wasn't, right? Because we found this this piece
• 30:52
  of a you know a comb or brush activators or something that now
• 30:59
  tells us otherwise. So with with with history, I
• 31:03
  feel like one of the pitfalls that people can get into, you
• 31:06
  know, especially with Heathen rewrite because hits People will
• 31:11
  argue that what we don't have a lot of stuff written down.
• 31:14
  There is a lot of shit written down through sagas, through
• 31:18
  folktales. You just gotta look, you gotta,
• 31:20
  you gotta do the homework, right?
• 31:22
  You can find things but it changes like the archaeological
• 31:27
  stuff like a changes so many times.
• 31:28
  So, you know, you're going to be like, well in 20 years, maybe
• 31:30
  the stuff that we're doing now. Something gets on Earth in
• 31:34
  Denmark or Norway or wherever and they go, well guys, it's
• 31:38
  different again. So the pitfall I was trying to
• 31:40
  say is that this is that people get to, they put too much stock
• 31:43
  into the history and they almost don't want to budge when it
• 31:49
  comes to anything else. Other than that.
• 31:52
  Have you experienced that yourself with the dealings with
• 31:54
  people, or just seeing that kind of pattern?
• 31:58
  Yes, I want to go all in in the last decade.
• 32:04
  There's been a huge influx of the Norse Pagan community, and
• 32:07
  thanks to pop culture and that's a good and bad thing.
• 32:11
  A lot of these people are coming over, converting from
• 32:14
  Christianity and there's a lot of indoctrination to let loose
• 32:19
  and let go of and coming over. a lot of habits, a lot of
• 32:23
  mindsets, a lot of ideologies that you should leave at the
• 32:28
  door, but I understand it's very hard to you've grown up your
• 32:31
  whole life. With this, you've lived this,
• 32:33
  it's what, you know, it's ingrained in you and it comes
• 32:38
  back to that word, absolute. So when you're growing up
• 32:42
  religious the any of the abrahamic religions especially
• 32:47
  because they love that book. They've all got a book.
• 32:50
  The Bible, for example is an absolute text in Christianity.
• 32:55
  It's absolutely right. It's a Solutely perfect,
• 32:58
  everything in. It is absolutely correct.
• 33:01
  Whether it be historical, whether it be a story record of
• 33:05
  someone's life and event happening.
• 33:09
  It's absolute. And so, it carries over.
• 33:12
  And now, I'm going to read the poetic or any of these other
• 33:16
  Norse text, and I feel like I have to apply it here.
• 33:19
  That it must be absolute. There is no other way.
• 33:23
  That what it says in this book is the absolute truth.
• 33:27
  'The, well, this book was originally translated from
• 33:31
  Christians recording, these stories from the Norse, peoples,
• 33:37
  and then retranslated, and then it's all in Latin.
• 33:40
  The whole world was Latin for most of that time, and then it's
• 33:44
  translated from Latin to French and Latin to German and German
• 33:47
  to English and so on and so on. So It goes back to like that
• 33:54
  translation, over-interpretation, take it all
• 33:57
  with a grain of salt. Literature is a great tool.
• 34:01
  It's a great resource but you cannot let that page replaced
• 34:09
  your practice and your active practice, and that's going to
• 34:15
  come from you. You're not going to find it on a
• 34:17
  page. A page isn't going to tell you
• 34:18
  how to do it and if it does that's someone else telling you
• 34:21
  how they did it. So your arm Copying what they've
• 34:24
  done and hoping that it works for you, you have to live it.
• 34:30
  Yeah fully agree, you know experiences the first trans or
• 34:34
  things, even historical, say 100 years from now after I'm dead
• 34:40
  and gone, all these things have happened in the world and
• 34:44
  someone digs up an old diary of mine, and I've written in there
• 34:47
  and they can make it out. Odin is rad people, nowadays,
• 34:55
  don't know what the word rad means, but they're going to get
• 34:57
  that. They're going to be like what in
• 34:58
  the world is, right? And maybe I bet they meant to
• 35:01
  put bad. I know what bad is, and it's
• 35:03
  close enough. So, this person says, Odom is
• 35:07
  bad. So, this person is definitely
• 35:11
  not Norse Pagan, he doesn't like Odin at all.
• 35:15
  We can take that as history because it's written by this
• 35:18
  person. And we have record of it, but
• 35:22
  we've missed translated, we've misinterpreted.
• 35:26
  But now it's absolute truth because it's Corded.
• 35:30
  It's in a book by whoever made that misinterpretation that
• 35:34
  mistranslation. It's that simple.
• 35:39
  Yeah now and I've seen stuff like that with with some of the
• 35:45
  skaldic poetry and poetic Edda poems for Lucifer.
• 35:49
  For example, I had a couple of gentlemen on this podcast a
• 35:54
  while back and one of the guys is a linguist and has and I
• 36:01
  don't know fully this credentials but not only is he a
• 36:04
  linguist but he's been Pagan and Keith and you know, for Forty
• 36:08
  plus years, you know what I mean.
• 36:10
  So his his history and his of practice is is pretty extensive
• 36:16
  but his studies in the language. Not just Old Norse, I'm talking
• 36:22
  like old Saxon proto-germanic you know the languages that Old
• 36:28
  Norse came from right. We were talking about you know a
• 36:33
  couple of stanzas in the voluspa because the the He was talking
• 36:37
  about altars and Asgard and somebody was like, you know,
• 36:44
  wait a minute. What?
• 36:44
  Like when you when we look at what the purpose of an altar is,
• 36:48
  you know, like why would there be such a thing in a holy place
• 36:54
  where the sacred reside, you know what I mean?
• 36:57
  And come to find out that, you know, we didn't, we didn't say
• 37:01
  that. The voluspa was wrong and it's
• 37:02
  translation but what what he was able to deduce and come out
• 37:06
  through his linguistic, Knowledge.
• 37:07
  Is that the translation that were reading from her?
• 37:10
  How? Those words get translated into
• 37:12
  the modern text probably, don't mean what we think.
• 37:15
  They mean it's it's, you know, so, understanding the language.
• 37:20
  And that's, that's the other thing that a lot of folks that
• 37:22
  get into this find themselves. Getting into heavily is learning
• 37:26
  the language wanting to speak for all intents and purposes a
• 37:30
  dead language. Old Norse isn't spoken anymore,
• 37:33
  at least not in a population spec, right?
• 37:36
  I mean it's maybe so Can in small circles academically,
• 37:39
  there's there certainly places for it but you know it's we've
• 37:44
  got close cousins this, you know what I mean?
• 37:46
  Like the modern Icelandic language Norwegian and Swedish
• 37:49
  right there. All the sentence of that Old
• 37:52
  Norse language but yeah, just learning the language can really
• 37:58
  enhance. What you think is absolute like
• 38:02
  you said, muslim some folks that get that get into homes from the
• 38:06
  poetic Edda and they think well just because it's written this
• 38:08
  way. That's got to be how it is.
• 38:10
  One hundred percent of the time all the time and then we come to
• 38:12
  find out Through experts in the Linguistics field.
• 38:17
  Maybe not, you know it's how it was interpreted at the time kind
• 38:22
  of those back to what you were saying.
• 38:23
  Well, maybe that that part of that room got shaved off over
• 38:27
  time and it looks like an L, but it should be an a You know what
• 38:31
  I mean? And it changes the whole meaning
• 38:32
  of it just that one little thing. what we're reading are
• 38:39
  from a handful of translators, their work got famous and They
• 38:46
  might have been good in their time, but like you just said,
• 38:49
  we've come such a long way in our understanding of languages
• 38:53
  and their Origins and their roots and root words and how all
• 38:56
  this comes about. So it would be interesting to
• 38:59
  see a more modern interpretation.
• 39:02
  I think, if somebody could get ahold of original text to
• 39:06
  translate themselves, See how it matches up Hollander or some of
• 39:14
  the others. Yeah yeah I wonder that too
• 39:18
  because you know where the translations that we have now
• 39:23
  over the centuries how they like you say you got different
• 39:25
  versions from different authors. What were they all translated
• 39:29
  from to begin with? Where is that quote unquote
• 39:33
  original manuscript? You know, is its Nori.
• 39:37
  Was there something that he was writing down from?
• 39:39
  Or was it all just his Memory of the stories and then everybody
• 39:44
  got their hands on snore. He's work and started changing,
• 39:48
  you know, really translating it into their languages and that's
• 39:51
  where the meeting got lost, or was there.
• 39:53
  Something even older than snorri that was written down.
• 39:57
  You don't know. I don't think I don't think we
• 39:59
  can definitively say because again, the kind of the track
• 40:02
  record of of people. At the time they were largely
• 40:06
  illiterate And just didn't write things down.
• 40:09
  Like that stories were passed down orally.
• 40:11
  Traditions were carried out, you know, from like you said before,
• 40:16
  like descendants to descendants, and they lived it out and they
• 40:21
  just did it. They didn't, I guess feel the
• 40:23
  need to have to write this story down about how Thor wins his
• 40:28
  hammer back, you know, or whatever.
• 40:32
  So, and at that time, that's all that was needed.
• 40:39
  We're living in tight knit, Community Family.
• 40:43
  So, all your communication was right there, you didn't need to
• 40:47
  write something down, for it to be remembered because you're
• 40:51
  telling that story being the person that you've told it was
• 40:56
  going to turn them. Really a big need for writing
• 40:59
  boot because that closeness those communities.
• 41:02
  That Dynamic there but as the world, In a society since got
• 41:07
  bigger and bigger and bigger we said, hey some of the stuff is
• 41:11
  really important and it's getting lost.
• 41:14
  We're going to have to find a way to get this deal and save it
• 41:18
  or for other people or to be able to share.
• 41:22
  Or when we started Crossing Borders, and trade the language
• 41:27
  barrier, and it's easier to to make a symbol for right assemble
• 41:34
  to get your meaning across them. Fight back and forth with
• 41:37
  Horrors that neither of you understand.
• 41:42
  I can draw a cow and then I can draw two goats and that person
• 41:46
  is going to understand. I want to trade Two Goats for a
• 41:48
  cow or the other way around but I don't know their word for cow
• 41:52
  or goat, they don't know mine. We're going to argue back and
• 41:54
  forth and it may get misinterpreted.
• 41:57
  Yeah, I might be trying to do business but they think I'm
• 42:00
  being offensive because my frustration in this language
• 42:03
  barrier and there's a a whole nother example.
• 42:09
  Yeah, and you made me think of something I saw one time.
• 42:12
  Of course. There's no, there's no audio to
• 42:15
  it because it's so dated and the way that they would kind of
• 42:19
  record, some of the earliest like video footage that ever
• 42:26
  existed here in North America. I think it was I forget who the
• 42:31
  indigenous Chief was, but I think it was maybe in sitting
• 42:35
  bowl and like Buffalo Bill, Cody, There was, they were
• 42:39
  basically, they were sitting on like, the back of a wagon.
• 42:44
  And if it was sitting bolt again, I'm just going to use for
• 42:47
  the sake of argument. It's sitting all right, he's
• 42:50
  talking, obviously, you can't hear anything because there was
• 42:52
  no audio, but it was just like old footage.
• 42:54
  He's using hand signals and speaking.
• 42:58
  Basically, through sign. And so was Cody or whoever it
• 43:02
  was there next to him, right? There was language that they
• 43:05
  could through gestures and through.
• 43:09
  You know, body language communicate, things at least
• 43:13
  enough to get the gist of what they were speaking.
• 43:20
  Because again we saw the same thing over here on this
• 43:22
  continent. You know, when the Romans and
• 43:25
  whatnot came from the south into Germania and tacitus you know
• 43:30
  they're all speaking Latin and then they come up here to this
• 43:33
  you know these people who are speaking a totally different
• 43:35
  language and sure that something similar like Colonizers came
• 43:40
  here to this continent and they have the indigenous people in
• 43:45
  different regions. Speaking a language, that they
• 43:48
  couldn't understand same sort of same sort of things probably
• 43:51
  happened, you know? I'm just your almost like a
• 43:55
  universal communication, where languages are very complicated,
• 44:01
  they're very specific, very unique, very different.
• 44:05
  We've all got gestures that we can make.
• 44:08
  And On that Primal level understand.
• 44:12
  And I think to didn't didn't some of the indigenous people,
• 44:17
  whether by withered by their own free will, or whether it was
• 44:22
  forced, learn languages that were there that were not native
• 44:27
  to them. Like the colonizers like there
• 44:29
  were plenty of of native tribes who had to speak English and
• 44:34
  French I think was a big 12 in some regions.
• 44:37
  They had they had to speak French because when I say they
• 44:40
  had to but again like this This is their home.
• 44:43
  This is their arena there. Like if anybody should learn
• 44:46
  another language has to be the Shitheads that came over here
• 44:50
  and started messing everything up, you know, like learn our
• 44:53
  language. Damn it.
• 44:54
  But know, they end up learning the language of the Invaders of
• 44:57
  the colonizers. And like, what else?
• 45:00
  What a, what a kind of slap to the face?
• 45:05
  Not to defend the colonizers, but it would have also been very
• 45:09
  difficult. Because as you travel through
• 45:13
  the colonies at the time, you would have encountered many,
• 45:15
  many different languages and dialects from population.
• 45:20
  I mean I guess it's like when people you know, immigrate here
• 45:23
  even still to this day, you know, I mean like You got to
• 45:27
  learn the language of the people that are the populate, the
• 45:31
  majority, you know, and I guess for the tribes when they see
• 45:35
  people like our skin color everywhere, it's like, well, I
• 45:38
  guess we follow suit and learned their ways.
• 45:43
  Native language is very surprisingly easy to learn.
• 45:48
  They don't have a broad broad vocabulary, they have important
• 45:52
  words for important things and not a lot of fluff to the
• 45:56
  language. You don't have a whole lot of
• 45:58
  extra words that you need to add in.
• 46:01
  Really it get your point across and so that's where some of
• 46:05
  those hand gestures would come in.
• 46:06
  In those signs as you're talking, you're speaking two
• 46:10
  languages at the same time. You're saying the important
• 46:12
  thing, Vocally. But while you're gesturing and
• 46:16
  that makes the full sentence. Yeah, like a year, watch the
• 46:22
  office. Remember, Kevin Malone, where he
• 46:24
  why speak lot word? When few were do good, you know,
• 46:29
  like the big fun, but like, kind of in that way, you know, we've
• 46:34
  gotten very very fancy. Yeah, he's over complicated
• 46:38
  language. Leave that we've added a ton to
• 46:44
  it and still miss communicate and misunderstand.
• 46:48
  Even with all the thousands of thousands have we're still.
• 46:54
  So poor at them that you want to know?
• 46:57
  How many spent you want to know how many times I've mixed up.
• 47:01
  I know what the two words mean. You want to know how many times
• 47:04
  I mix up illicit and solicit. Like, oh I'm gonna I want to.
• 47:08
  I'm trying to elicit a response. No, you're not.
• 47:11
  You're trying to solicit a response and I go.
• 47:14
  Do, you know, or so. Let's that elicit Behavior,
• 47:20
  Sophia or another one is anonymous and unanimous.
• 47:26
  Like, should the vote be unanimous or, or should they say
• 47:30
  it unanimously or anonymously? I get, I know what they mean.
• 47:35
  I do I just Look in the delivery.
• 47:38
  I end up. Messing it up sometimes.
• 47:42
  So you know. Well, I'm sure.
• 47:44
  Let's blame it on Shakespeare Wordsworth, there's jerks too
• 47:49
  many words, guys. Damn it Bill fancy.
• 47:54
  Yeah, I was thinking to like, you mentioned like You know, the
• 47:59
  Christians use their Bible as their absolute text of
• 48:03
  authority. You know, when it comes to life
• 48:05
  and it comes to anything even history mentioned, and I can
• 48:09
  speak to that too because I course growing up, you know, the
• 48:12
  Bible was the central thing that, you know, it was what we
• 48:18
  our lives revolved around to the point that I remember, being
• 48:23
  told as a kid that it's okay to not be.
• 48:28
  Smart to not be intelligent because some of the Apostles I
• 48:33
  think it was John and Peter and whatever the ones they were
• 48:39
  ignorant and unlearned and so it's like they would use that in
• 48:44
  there in what I was raised in there.
• 48:46
  Like they would use that part in the Bible that says that they
• 48:49
  that these guys were ignorant and unlearned men being they
• 48:52
  couldn't read and they couldn't write That it's okay.
• 48:55
  Like to not seek higher education, be an idiot, your
• 48:58
  life like essentially, like, don't don't worry about worldly
• 49:01
  knowledge, it's just going to bog you down.
• 49:04
  I'm like, wow, stir to hammer home that face.
• 49:14
  Even the Bible itself in that. Absolute state that people take
• 49:20
  it is subject to the same. It's been written and Rewritten
• 49:25
  and translated and collected and lost and changed and altered and
• 49:30
  added two and pieces omitted and they're still finding Gospels.
• 49:38
  Belt. It, is that, yeah, that are not
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  included, but they are along the same timeline as the works of
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  Jesus Christ himself. That's incredible.
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  James version of the Bible one. Yeah, I remember, you know,
• 49:59
  because the the version of Christianity I was Raising.
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  We only read from the King James Bible, the King James version,
• 50:06
  translation, whatever. And I don't know if this is true
• 50:10
  across other translations. But like in the Old Testament,
• 50:14
  portion of that manuscript that translation of the manuscript,
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  right? Where the Israelites are Freed
• 50:25
  from slavery, in Egypt. I remember like the only mention
• 50:31
  of of who is it Was it? Cirque sees the Pharaoh at the
• 50:38
  time? Moses.
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  Well, no, I mean the pharaoh who was who was the Pharaoh at the
• 50:42
  time? It was Desert Seas rameses
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  Ramses. Sorry yeah, Ramses.
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  His name is not mentioned at all.
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  It's just and Pharaoh said, they're using the title of a
• 50:56
  king of an of a Divine leader. They're using the title as his
• 51:01
  name, like and Pharaoh said, yeah, Pharaoh who's the pharaoh,
• 51:03
  who they never even mentioned his name?
• 51:07
  So, I grew up in my youth again, believing that seeking higher
• 51:12
  knowledge going to school, you know, college, just reading
• 51:17
  history, books and learning about stuff like that was
• 51:20
  necessarily say forbidden, but it was really frowned upon.
• 51:23
  I grew up most of my you thinking that there's just this
• 51:25
  one guy named pharaoh. Controlling the Israelites and
• 51:31
  Moses freed them from him and never knew his name until later
• 51:35
  on in my life. I'm like damn.
• 51:38
  You're your own book of absolute truths and stuff is missing key
• 51:44
  points of history. And why is that?
• 51:46
  Why did the the writers who translated the texts back in the
• 51:52
  1600s 1500 is whenever it was that King James authorized, that
• 51:57
  to be done, why it is that name get emitted, was there an agenda
• 52:02
  was a reason why that they want to leave out the name Ramses for
• 52:05
  some unknown reason or something, who knows?
• 52:08
  but fact, is that it was Like or or was it never mentioned in the
• 52:14
  original you know, or mentioned in the manuscripts that those
• 52:18
  people had at the time to translate from makes you think,
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  you know, like, was pharaohs name ever mentioned in those
• 52:25
  texts? Was Rosie.
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  Was he called Ramses? Was he just called Pharaoh?
• 52:30
  Because they didn't want his name remembered.
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  As we know, you know, part of Commemorating and part of
• 52:38
  immortalizing individuals, as we speak their names, their names
• 52:42
  are their reputations. Are at what they've done, don't
• 52:45
  die. And so that there's power in
• 52:47
  that and it makes me wonder if the omission of such names was
• 52:53
  in their time away to include the story, but not give power to
• 52:58
  the name and essentially have that name forgotten and that
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  person forgotten, definitely. And that's something that the
• 53:04
  Egyptians at the time practice. Very well, if a pharaoh went
• 53:11
  South with the people and got the boot, they would go with
• 53:17
  hammers and chisels and any artwork in a murals, anything
• 53:22
  anywhere, depicting, any mention, whether it be a
• 53:25
  lightness in a picture or photo, or not photograph that painting
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  or sculpture and they would deface it, you scratch the
• 53:34
  faceoff. They would scratch the I'm out.
• 53:37
  So, never be repeated. It couldn't be remembered.
• 53:40
  And there are tons and tons of examples of this archaeological
• 53:44
  evidence of this practice to literally scratch someone's name
• 53:48
  out of History practiced by the ancient Egyptians.
• 53:53
  They were literally scratching people's name and out of
• 53:55
  history. And their effects has you can't
• 53:58
  even see the likeness or what they looked like at the time
• 54:02
  because they would chisel the face off the head, the body is
• 54:04
  still there, the guard. Of the painting, all the motifs
• 54:08
  and everything around, but they will scratch the face off eat.
• 54:14
  That's powerful. The King James.
• 54:17
  A lot of the people is you had mentioned churchgoers, love that
• 54:21
  version the King James and In it.
• 54:26
  It's a it talks a lot about homosexuality.
• 54:30
  Being an affront to get all? It's a, it's an absolute Sim.
• 54:34
  Oh yeah, yuge inside joke, that King James himself.
• 54:38
  And this is a fact through many texts, very much, enjoy, keeping
• 54:46
  the company of men himself. Oh yeah, yeah, the irony right?
• 54:54
  So that's that's that's a fun but then you've got like
• 54:57
  Constantine and those who organized and think about it.
• 55:01
  You send the Crusades out to get all these Treasures from the
• 55:05
  holy land and they come back with some texts who knows, who
• 55:09
  knows if it was all, who knows if it was half, who knows?
• 55:12
  If they only got a handful but then this is what you base, your
• 55:17
  Holy scripture on or your, your absolute text on.
• 55:22
  And then there was a period in England where it was popularized
• 55:26
  for each King to have their own version where their own
• 55:30
  interpretation of the Bible, it showed that you were a very
• 55:34
  Christian King to commission your own just the same as King
• 55:39
  James did. Yeah, to follow in those
• 55:42
  footsteps. So now you've got nothing on any
• 55:44
  brownie. Points of the Bible with 20
• 55:47
  different interpretations, 20 different translations and Yeah,
• 55:53
  no, I take it. Oh, yeah.
• 55:58
  I, it's interesting like, looking at timelines of things,
• 56:02
  so, I guess it was either the late.
• 56:05
  I was think like the mid to late 1500s, maybe early 1600s when
• 56:09
  the King James. Version was written.
• 56:14
  I don't know how long it took to complete but it was somewhere
• 56:17
  around that time. Like and then I think it was um
• 56:20
  where's in the same vicinity of time history-wise, where John D
• 56:25
  and then guys for the collaborated and put together
• 56:28
  the Book of Enoch, I love you've ever dabbled in or read any of
• 56:33
  that. But you want to talk about like
• 56:36
  A gap of missing information. That feels like it could have
• 56:40
  been included in the Bible. I mean, like, their manuscripts,
• 56:44
  like think it would. What happened with all that?
• 56:47
  You know, why did they just decide?
• 56:48
  No, no, no, we're not going to. Yeah.
• 56:51
  Well, yeah, it does. And then now, it makes sense,
• 56:55
  why that was left out and the, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene and
• 56:59
  why it was omitted from The Collection that ultimately
• 57:02
  became the buck Bible that we know now, Yeah.
• 57:06
  There, there are a lot of tests and that were purposely left out
• 57:11
  of that collection, that became the Bible.
• 57:15
  What I find really interesting is, how is that, you know,
• 57:20
  Christianity still has their that's Old and New Testaments
• 57:27
  and the Old Testament books, that predate the existence of
• 57:31
  their Christ. What about the The judaic text
• 57:36
  the Torah, right? That aren't even included in the
• 57:38
  in the Christian Bible, in their Old Testament.
• 57:42
  Like you took Christian like Christianity comes from Judaism.
• 57:48
  And you know I mean the book The Book of the law that Jesus
• 57:51
  speaks about in the gospels is the Torah is their old, is their
• 57:56
  old, sacred text, it has all their laws, it has their
• 58:00
  histories of their kings, The Chronicles of the various Wars,
• 58:05
  and land, and conflicts and things.
• 58:07
  They're there, their songs are written there, their profits
• 58:10
  have books written in there, you know what I mean.
• 58:14
  But not all of the ones that are part of the judaic.
• 58:17
  Sacred texts have moved into the modern Christian sacred text.
• 58:23
  So you go what was really going on here?
• 58:26
  Why leave out those parts of their history is where, you
• 58:30
  know, entirely. And so what Christianity more or
• 58:35
  less was founded on was that What if fear?
• 58:41
  Oh yeah. And it was spearheaded by his
• 58:45
  disciples, those ones that wrote the books on his life and their
• 58:49
  time with him. What if this really is, the Son
• 58:54
  of God, the Jewish people don't believe it.
• 58:57
  But what if it is and we have forsaken, the literal, Son of
• 59:01
  God, we are going to be punished big time.
• 59:03
  We're going to be a big trouble for this if we don't praise and
• 59:06
  worship him. In our his life so it's that
• 59:11
  fear. What if?
• 59:13
  So better to be safe than sorry we're going to go with
• 59:17
  Christianity believe in Jesus and that's sort of where that
• 59:21
  separation occurred. Man, I've heard that so many
• 59:25
  times throughout my life, you know, better safe than sorry,
• 59:30
  you know, even if I'm even if it's wrong, at least I'm doing
• 59:35
  the thing, just in case, it's right.
• 59:38
  And how many of us are really living like that nowadays, how
• 59:41
  many how many folks have accepted that as just the way to
• 59:46
  go versus hearing things that speak through them?
• 59:50
  Looking mentioned earlier, you know, doing things in practice
• 59:53
  that are me? Meaningful to us that.
• 59:57
  We receive messages or prompts or things through us, something
• 1:00:03
  that you can find written down in necessarily, in a history
• 1:00:05
  book, or in a, in a story per se.
• 1:00:09
  But that is truth. Nonetheless, because we've
• 1:00:11
  experienced it where we are experiencing an.
• 1:00:13
  In many people have just become desensitized to those messages
• 1:00:19
  and have Come to the point that they they can't hear them
• 1:00:23
  anymore, they can't. Connect in that way anymore and
• 1:00:27
  they're just doing what they're doing because, well, who knows.
• 1:00:30
  What's right? But at least I'm safe and not
• 1:00:33
  sorry out of that. Fear and stuff.
• 1:00:36
  Read what we can read and that's all there is to it because it's
• 1:00:41
  dangerous to do something that isn't cited, or isn't sourced or
• 1:00:45
  doesn't have a reference, but if you doubt at all that the
• 1:00:48
  texture reading from the old Norse, people have been
• 1:00:54
  Influenced by the christianization of Scandinavia
• 1:00:58
  then ask yourself. Why is it so difficult to find
• 1:01:01
  in text? Some of the most important
• 1:01:04
  things of those people in bloat and some will and ritual and
• 1:01:10
  their faithful practices, you're going to find a hundred stories
• 1:01:15
  about who slept with who and had what kid and that kid killed
• 1:01:18
  this kid and slept with this person this person but the
• 1:01:23
  entire plan in the christianization of Scandinavia
• 1:01:28
  was to erase their practice, to erase their spirituality, their
• 1:01:32
  faith to make the conversion go through.
• 1:01:37
  So you're not seeing that maintained, you're not seeing
• 1:01:40
  that recorded. You're not seeing any way for it
• 1:01:43
  to be written down, to be passed on to anyone else, it skipped
• 1:01:46
  over entirely. Safer.
• 1:01:49
  A few things that we've been able to find here and there
• 1:01:53
  through archaeological evidence. And yeah, they consciously left
• 1:02:01
  it out of what they want, they what they wrote down the
• 1:02:05
  practice. The culture is all there the
• 1:02:08
  clothing, they talk about the food that they eat everything,
• 1:02:13
  everything, but the practice in the spirituality, and that's
• 1:02:20
  what they needed to get rid of for Christianity to move in.
• 1:02:24
  So, you cannot tell me that the text that we're reading now.
• 1:02:29
  All that, we know they were translated by the monks and the
• 1:02:33
  scribes at the time that we're Christians coming over to record
• 1:02:36
  the history of the people in the culture that those things
• 1:02:41
  weren't organized in such a way. What are you missing?
• 1:02:51
  Yeah. And why has it been?
• 1:02:52
  Why are those things missing? And why do we instead have So
• 1:03:00
  many. Examples written in how the
• 1:03:05
  Israelites were to sacrifice to their deity because it's very
• 1:03:10
  specific. Yeah, judaic or Christian texts,
• 1:03:13
  it's very specific at that time how the people were to interact
• 1:03:19
  with the Divine with God. And you know what I mean?
• 1:03:21
  Like with their God, how the priests were to approach the
• 1:03:24
  temple. What cleansing rituals were to
• 1:03:26
  be done, how many weights of this thing that of the other,
• 1:03:28
  how many doves, how many ox, and how many pounds?
• 1:03:32
  Or or whatever the weight shekels of gold or silver or
• 1:03:36
  this or that, you know, all of these things.
• 1:03:38
  Very very specific and then I just know thought of this isn't
• 1:03:44
  anything that I've put a lot of thought into some just kind of
• 1:03:47
  its word vomit here. But what do you think of we're
• 1:03:50
  Rambler? The yeah, exactly.
• 1:03:52
  It's the name of the show like you surprised but happy What do
• 1:03:59
  you think of the idea that the ritual?
• 1:04:05
  Itself is what matters not who or what it's done to or for the
• 1:04:12
  modality, the methodology, the doing of it.
• 1:04:16
  Could you apply the same? Mechanics the the doing of it
• 1:04:23
  and position it to your sacred Powers, whoever whatever they
• 1:04:28
  may be. Like, what do you think of that?
• 1:04:33
  Like there's no real Cyclone. Let's just say, like the all the
• 1:04:36
  rituals, and all of the things written down in in the judaic
• 1:04:39
  text and it's all to, you know, Yahweh or whatever.
• 1:04:43
  And but we omit that part and we just say, well, it's to the gods
• 1:04:46
  or it's to whoever you choose to venerate.
• 1:04:50
  Do you think that it's that it carries the same?
• 1:04:54
  Or could carry the same kind of perk the weight behind it, the
• 1:04:57
  doing of it, I don't. But that's coming from a
• 1:05:04
  polytheistic standpoint. If I thank myself a deity and I
• 1:05:10
  pass this information on to the faithful or followers those that
• 1:05:15
  recognize me as such and I see, these are my preferences.
• 1:05:20
  I like coffee at 7:00 in the morning.
• 1:05:25
  These certain things and so they do these certain things as a way
• 1:05:29
  to honor or venerate or worship whatever you want to call it.
• 1:05:35
  Those people are not going to be able to take that method or that
• 1:05:38
  concoction of ritual to another person or another deity, whose
• 1:05:44
  going to have different Praises or preferences for praise or
• 1:05:48
  worship. They're not they don't even like
• 1:05:52
  coffee let alone have it 7:00. So if you've got all these
• 1:05:56
  people coming to make offerings of coffee at a certain time, I'm
• 1:06:01
  going to be like It doesn't matter to me.
• 1:06:05
  I'm not going to answer you for that.
• 1:06:06
  I don't like I don't like that. Hmm, so I guess it's because ISM
• 1:06:12
  versus monotheism is their one. God.
• 1:06:15
  Just many names. Are there many gods.
• 1:06:20
  Oh yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, again being a
• 1:06:22
  polytheist myself. I mean, I think the gods are
• 1:06:24
  sovereign and then that there The Norse gods are the Norse
• 1:06:30
  gods of Germanic oz of the Germanic odds, the Asiatic, the,
• 1:06:34
  the Indian Indo-European, God's, you know, the whatever name or
• 1:06:38
  names that the Divine may carry based off of what culture or
• 1:06:44
  region, I think are what they are and they exist in their in
• 1:06:49
  their way, I guess. Well, more or less.
• 1:06:52
  What I was saying is you know the modality of approaching
• 1:06:55
  Sacred Space and cleansing before you do it just like the
• 1:06:58
  Veidt priests would do or burning certain items as like
• 1:07:04
  incense or resin or something to, you know, ritually cleanse
• 1:07:07
  an area and then taking those ritual items and presenting them
• 1:07:10
  to an altar, like those parts of the, the mechanics of it like
• 1:07:14
  not necessarily gain doing it to the one God.
• 1:07:18
  But I do think that is almost like a universal type thing.
• 1:07:23
  Yeah. Instead of paying respect.
• 1:07:27
  To what you're doing the the act of making offering or going into
• 1:07:31
  a holy place or holy space to be clean to go into it.
• 1:07:37
  Right. So much.
• 1:07:39
  So my point I guess is what I'm trying to reach is that even
• 1:07:42
  though the Germanic peoples Norse people's haven't don't
• 1:07:46
  have a sacred text of the same degree of of the granularity of
• 1:07:52
  it. Like, they're don't have
• 1:07:53
  anything written down. Like this is how the go these
• 1:07:55
  did it, or whatever. Can we say that they probably
• 1:08:01
  did something very similar to what is documented in levitical,
• 1:08:05
  priests text? You know what I mean?
• 1:08:07
  Like the width like the most detailed specific stuff like can
• 1:08:10
  we assume or to do sit even though it's not written down in
• 1:08:14
  history that there this is probably very similar to the way
• 1:08:17
  they did it because we see this modality, right?
• 1:08:21
  We see this sort of thing being done in different cultures not
• 1:08:23
  just judaic or Christian belief systems.
• 1:08:28
  Of references to cross cultural ritual, practice say it grow
• 1:08:33
  herbs, burning sacred herbs and their instance is one of them.
• 1:08:37
  You see them. Do it with the frankincense to
• 1:08:39
  the stay. In the Catholic church is suing
• 1:08:41
  the burner and the smoke? And you see it India and you see
• 1:08:47
  it here in North America, you see it in South America.
• 1:08:51
  So there are a lot of cross cultural things that I think are
• 1:08:55
  just exactly what you're talking about.
• 1:08:57
  That idea that we share as Humanity in being respectful,
• 1:09:05
  being clean. There is a small surviving texts
• 1:09:10
  that makes reference to that itself.
• 1:09:13
  And I think it's talking about Helga fell or the Holy Mountain
• 1:09:17
  in Norse mythology, that you can't even look in its
• 1:09:22
  direction. If your face to is unclean, you
• 1:09:26
  have to Take water and clean your face to even be able to
• 1:09:31
  look at it. Otherwise you've done something
• 1:09:34
  bad, you're not deserving to look at it with a dirty face
• 1:09:38
  because it's that special the healing Mountain, the Holy
• 1:09:42
  Mountain in Norse mythology, is that special hiya T?
• 1:09:47
  Great ritual I-80 which just making yourself presentable.
• 1:09:54
  And that's something else that the Norse were really big on.
• 1:09:58
  And the things that remain seat in the hot Amalia, if you're
• 1:10:02
  going to go to the thing, if you're going to go to the
• 1:10:03
  meeting dress, nice. Wear your good clothes.
• 1:10:06
  Don't go looking like a scrub. You're going to be making fun
• 1:10:09
  of, you're going to be disrespectful to the assembly.
• 1:10:12
  That's happened in the company that you're with, to go like a
• 1:10:16
  skank, you know, take a bath, put your gloves on your clean
• 1:10:20
  clothes on and look, well be respectful.
• 1:10:26
  Yeah. I I saw something recently and I
• 1:10:28
  know we're getting about to close the time.
• 1:10:30
  I want to be respectful of your time to wrap it up because we've
• 1:10:32
  gone so many different directions and it's all great.
• 1:10:35
  But there's one one thing that I saw that I wanted to mention
• 1:10:37
  because it does line up with this is being Pious or the piety
• 1:10:42
  aspect of, you know, I don't know.
• 1:10:44
  I don't know if you've seen this too, but like, people people
• 1:10:48
  seem to have just lost the context of what holy is and that
• 1:10:55
  it definitely applies in in any religious or spiritual practice.
• 1:11:00
  There are saying there are things and there are beings that
• 1:11:05
  are holy and the actions of interacting with them need to be
• 1:11:10
  approached knowing that and taking the right steps to be
• 1:11:17
  deserving of an audience, you know?
• 1:11:19
  And to be Pious with it and to not just like, well, I'm in my
• 1:11:23
  bed and you know, don't take this The wrong way for anybody,
• 1:11:26
  that's pretty relaxed with this. But I mean, Your T-shirt blue
• 1:11:31
  jeans and work boots coming into bloat.
• 1:11:35
  You can do better. You can do something better, you
• 1:11:36
  can put on your nicer shoes. You can do something that you
• 1:11:40
  don't have to necessarily be in like full period clothing or
• 1:11:43
  ritual Garb, but you can put an effort and and and actually show
• 1:11:51
  that you care. And you know, what you're about
• 1:11:53
  to be in the presence of You know, I think I agree 100% as a
• 1:12:01
  society in the last 10, 20 years.
• 1:12:05
  The last five, especially we become very nonchalant people.
• 1:12:11
  Too cool too cool for school because people shit on other
• 1:12:16
  people like Hello you believe in that.
• 1:12:18
  Oh well yeah I do but now I feel bad about it so I'm not going to
• 1:12:22
  make such an effort because I know I'm being made fun of them
• 1:12:25
  being mocked. That's how a lot of people will
• 1:12:27
  go. I don't give a shit.
• 1:12:29
  You can make fun of me. All you want to, I'm still going
• 1:12:31
  to do what I do, but as a people, as a society, we've
• 1:12:34
  become less faithful in our practices and our beliefs.
• 1:12:40
  We've let a lot go. We don't practice with the same
• 1:12:44
  reverence anymore and it's very nonchalant if we take it
• 1:12:48
  seriously at all. And so, of course, you're not
• 1:12:53
  going to get what you're looking for.
• 1:12:54
  Is not going to be fulfilling your, your prophesying, your own
• 1:12:58
  destiny by taking the Sorrell you show up.
• 1:13:04
  Haftar arrest not. Well, not taking it serious.
• 1:13:07
  Not being respectful to. You really think you're offering
• 1:13:10
  is going to be appreciated. Do you really think it's going
• 1:13:14
  to be accepted? Do you think favor is going to
• 1:13:16
  be given to you when you're just half-assing it?
• 1:13:20
  Probably not and so you don't get what you were looking for
• 1:13:23
  and therefore, it's impacted even more, okay?
• 1:13:26
  It didn't happen. The thing.
• 1:13:28
  I needed didn't come through, even though I made this offering
• 1:13:30
  up made this. What I thought would be
• 1:13:32
  exchanged. So now, I definitely don't
• 1:13:35
  believe. Well, you did it to yourself.
• 1:13:38
  Hmm. Yeah, I think it's a combination
• 1:13:41
  of, like, what you were saying, where people get mocked or made
• 1:13:44
  fun of. And so, for for people who maybe
• 1:13:48
  put more stock into the opinions of others, get discouraged and
• 1:13:52
  lose sight of what they become initially.
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  So that's the word that was evading me discouraged.
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  So thank you for that. It will get damaged.
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  Yeah, I've seen that happen and because I get asked, you
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  probably due to a lot of times from different folks of, you
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  know, Where do I reconnect? How do I, how do I reconnect?
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  You know, I feel like I've lost the fire or I've I just don't
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  feel like doing it anymore or they like and they lose that and
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  I have to wonder if so much of modern society and the way we
• 1:14:29
  interact with people has been a high contributor to the reason
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  why folks get discouraged or they lose that interest and they
• 1:14:36
  find the next thing that stimulating and they don't stick
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  with With. that thing that they found interesting or that they
• 1:14:44
  found wholesome to begin with because of allowing outside
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  influences to kind of Muddy the waters and it's another reason
• 1:14:54
  why also, you know, really don't want people that you know, go to
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  Ritual or enter into that space to be too heavily intoxicated to
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  the point that they don't know what's going on or they're
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  unpresentable for that for that thing that's being done.
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  It's an affront. It's an affront no longer
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  present, you know, it's disrespectful.
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  It's an affront to the gods and to the sacred powers that are
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  around us, both Divine and localized spirits, that have
• 1:15:26
  that we are trying to invite and and well into that space maybe
• 1:15:30
  like you know hey guys come on over I'm having a been a dinner
• 1:15:34
  once you guys to come over and then when you do I'm you know
• 1:15:36
  nine sheets to the wind and can't stand up straight like
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  that's Bad. It's just a bad experience.
• 1:15:43
  Overall, you know, we're guests, come over and they're like nine
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  sheets to the wind, you know, and I'm like, man, couldn't you
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  have just waited a bit, you couldn't have just held off calm
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  down with that, you know, same type of thing solicit, this
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  advice, but I would like to offer a piece of advice for
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  anybody that's watching that may have ever felt discouraged or
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  been the target of that mocking or Or anything in your practice
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  buckle up because it's not going anywhere.
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  Mmm, if I should just tell you have tougher skin or to just let
• 1:16:22
  it roll off your shoulder, but it's not going anywhere.
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  It's been around for a long time.
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  This idea, this thing that's happening, came out of humor, a
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  form of humor called ridicule. It was popularized in France and
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  where it's cool to make fun of other.
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  Will you become more popular by mocking and making fun of
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  others? So you're going to face that
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  it's still around today. It's still practiced.
• 1:16:48
  People still believe that they are more cool by making fun of
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  other people, whether it's legitimately something to make
• 1:16:55
  fun of or be mocked or not, they do it thinking, they get those
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  popularity points. That's not going anywhere.
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  So, with that knowledge, you can make your adjustments knowing
• 1:17:06
  that they probably aren't really making fun of you.
• 1:17:09
  They just feel the need to To do it to feel better about
• 1:17:11
  themselves, feel more popular or more, right?
• 1:17:14
  Whatever, let it roll off your shoulder.
• 1:17:18
  If you're doing you do you, you're not doing them.
• 1:17:22
  So don't let them do here, you damn right now going to elicit.
• 1:17:27
  Yeah, I was, I was waiting for it.
• 1:17:29
  I'm like he's gonna throw it in here somewhere.
• 1:17:34
  Yeah, yeah. Ridicule flight flighting.
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  Right. Like read lokasenna.
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  That was a thing for Germanic people to, I mean flighting was
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  a it was a form of bonding, it was a form of entertainment.
• 1:17:50
  There was, there was a lot of it, you know, about there to to
• 1:17:53
  kind of, you know, roast your Kinsmen or roast other people
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  and so, but like you say, you know, a lot of it is they don't
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  know you. They don't have real dealings
• 1:18:10
  with you so don't take it, don't take it to heart. you know, I'm
• 1:18:16
  the type of person who listens to a lot of what people say and
• 1:18:19
  almost force of to find a way of where it applies, but so much of
• 1:18:24
  what I listen to or what I end up having to hear him say listen
• 1:18:27
  to it, but I have to hear is It's not important, doesn't
• 1:18:34
  doesn't mean anything really in the long run.
• 1:18:37
  Somebody's opinion that they responses ever is what on Earth
• 1:18:43
  have. I done to make you think.
• 1:18:47
  I value your opinion of me in this rig or mockery if I have
• 1:18:54
  done something to give you. The impression that I value your
• 1:18:57
  opinion, I apologize because I do not nice one is entitled to
• 1:19:03
  their own opinion, but you're not entitled to people valuing
• 1:19:06
  it. It's true also true you know
• 1:19:11
  you're always going to face people's opinion but it's your
• 1:19:14
  decision whether you give that late or not.
• 1:19:18
  Yep. And as we've kind of come to
• 1:19:21
  realize today with regards to those, that want to give you a
• 1:19:27
  scolding or ridicule because of will, it's not historical.
• 1:19:33
  Guess what? Maybe the historical stuff isn't
• 1:19:36
  all that. It's cracked up to be anyway.
• 1:19:38
  And so What is it was it? Where did we really?
• 1:19:44
  Where does it all Landau? Ultimately, you know, are you
• 1:19:48
  have you been fulfilled and enriched by what you're doing?
• 1:19:52
  Well, then why in the hell are you letting some other guy on
• 1:19:54
  the cross? The boat, you know, across town
• 1:19:56
  across the city, across the country, across the world, try
• 1:19:59
  to guilt you into thinking differently because there's no
• 1:20:02
  historical or any such thing. That happens.
• 1:20:08
  A lot to our history is not the history that we think it's the
• 1:20:14
  history that was written by those who were, however, they
• 1:20:19
  wanted. And we do have history in things
• 1:20:22
  like archaeology. Yeah, the dig sites, the Rune
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  Stones. There's physical evidence that
• 1:20:28
  we can rely on and count on and fold into our practice.
• 1:20:32
  We can take those sources. And I'm not saying to discredit
• 1:20:35
  every text, I'm saying to the grain of salt, remember what
• 1:20:40
  you're reading, remember, how many times it's been translated?
• 1:20:43
  Retranslated, reinterpreted words not matching up, not
• 1:20:48
  lining up the language barriers. About where this text came from,
• 1:20:52
  it's good it's good to have a tool, it's good to read, it's
• 1:20:56
  good to educate yourself but dig and dig some more.
• 1:21:01
  Yeah, and and reach a conclusion or come to a conclusion
• 1:21:05
  yourself. That is practical and Purpose.
• 1:21:09
  Driven for yourself I think is is another key thing to take
• 1:21:13
  away. You know, learn all the things
• 1:21:15
  you want to about history and if that's your flavor and that's
• 1:21:20
  what really wet your appetite. We're not saying that you're
• 1:21:24
  misled by doing. So, just like you say papa, you
• 1:21:28
  know, be aware of what you're reading and know, it's place and
• 1:21:32
  don't quench that Spirit within us, to prevent us from living,
• 1:21:36
  in things out and writing our own pieces of history and
• 1:21:40
  becoming Those that are written in sagas for of our time, you
• 1:21:46
  know, if you want to look at it that way but it's what that's
• 1:21:50
  what you're going to feel and with those around you should you
• 1:21:52
  have those people that align with those feelings want to
• 1:21:57
  nurture and share in the same types of things.
• 1:22:00
  So, that's that's really where the magic happens.
• 1:22:02
  That's really where the The power exists is getting out of
• 1:22:07
  the books and getting into the into the grass into the into the
• 1:22:10
  Earth, putting knowledge to use, going to the workshops and
• 1:22:16
  learning how to use the tools that have been made.
• 1:22:20
  The only page you're going to find your life or practice on is
• 1:22:23
  a page that you write yourself. If you're reading it, you're
• 1:22:28
  reading someone else's experience.
• 1:22:30
  Again, that can be a great tool but that's their experience.
• 1:22:34
  That's not your own. You have to write your own.
• 1:22:38
  Make your own history, its pile of Stone Mountain here on one of
• 1:22:44
  my hikes and I feel something. If I feel compelled to make
• 1:22:47
  offering to sit in silence there and pay reverence, you're not
• 1:22:52
  going to find that in any of the Norse sagas.
• 1:22:55
  You're not going to find me doing that so it's not
• 1:22:58
  historical but it's right. I feel it.
• 1:23:01
  I know it's right. It's part of my practice.
• 1:23:03
  So yes. I'm up there doing.
• 1:23:04
  Is it historical? No, does that matter?
• 1:23:08
  No. Know exactly, right?
• 1:23:14
  Yeah, I guess. I couldn't agree more with you
• 1:23:19
  brother. I definitely aligned with you on
• 1:23:21
  that and I hope the people listening and watching today,
• 1:23:26
  can find some use for it too. It's always and always a great
• 1:23:32
  experience. Just getting to ramble with you
• 1:23:34
  about stuff. And you know, we got told the
• 1:23:38
  other day about the pattern that this podcast kind of goes in and
• 1:23:41
  it's like a circle, you know, it goes random in ways but we
• 1:23:46
  always end up coming. Coming back to the path and then
• 1:23:50
  bring it home. Yeah, exactly the cycle and I
• 1:23:57
  thought that was a great analogy, you know, and that's
• 1:23:59
  life. You're gonna you're going to go
• 1:24:02
  along this path of life and you're going to find different
• 1:24:07
  roads to travel. You're going to find different
• 1:24:09
  paths to explore and then eventually going to get back on
• 1:24:13
  the main road and continue on down the line for however, long
• 1:24:16
  and then get off that exit. And so in like fashion.
• 1:24:22
  We come up with some things and we learned some things together
• 1:24:24
  on this podcast, and I think that's great.
• 1:24:26
  I'm glad that we have that opportunity.
• 1:24:29
  Absolutely. We're going to go ahead and wrap
• 1:24:32
  this up for the people. Is there any other parting words
• 1:24:35
  or any other things that you wanted to plug or or share with
• 1:24:38
  everybody before we wrap this up?
• 1:24:43
  I think I'm good other than maybe to share that bit.
• 1:24:50
  The other day that I shared on social media laggers as life
• 1:24:54
  literally take it that way and it's the water of course but
• 1:24:58
  it's cycle and you may think differently on malaga's with
• 1:25:03
  this interpretation but it's not just the stream.
• 1:25:06
  It's not just the river but Legos is your path in life path.
• 1:25:11
  All the way around from the sea. That's before we were born or
• 1:25:17
  after we die. That great outside the universe.
• 1:25:21
  We look at it as sometimes, the Kosmos, the black night sky and
• 1:25:25
  the stars. Now that water evaporates from
• 1:25:28
  the sea into the clouds, it's carried over when and it comes
• 1:25:33
  down as rain, and then it's makes its way through the
• 1:25:36
  mountains and streams to rivers and rivers to the Deltas and
• 1:25:39
  Delta's back out to the ocean. So why do is is life, it's the
• 1:25:42
  full life cycle. The full current of life.
• 1:25:49
  I know that was a little bit. Random is like a last thing to
• 1:25:52
  leave people with but we're on random Heathen rambling.
• 1:25:55
  Keep it keep it in kind. Yeah, exactly, man.
• 1:25:58
  I Having experienced, you know, water in its in its various
• 1:26:02
  forms myself. I love the analogy.
• 1:26:06
  It is like a player chooses life.
• 1:26:08
  When I posted that, I was sharing a part of my life and my
• 1:26:13
  family, my children's life, so that my life's extension, my
• 1:26:16
  children and enjoying the water, the stream here in the
• 1:26:19
  mountains, and that it came from the sea.
• 1:26:22
  At one point, it's here in the mountains, and we'll go back to
• 1:26:25
  the Sea, just the same as we all will.
• 1:26:29
  A lot of great minds have shared in that same sentiment, you
• 1:26:32
  know, Bruce Lee even said be water.
• 1:26:36
  You know, so a warrior himself, a full Warrior poet, maybe bit
• 1:26:42
  of a philosopher and ways but a yeah, it's a common common
• 1:26:46
  sentiment shared and I thank you for reiterating and sharing that
• 1:26:51
  again here for the listeners in the Watchers today.
• 1:26:54
  So that does long again. Very appreciated, always enjoy
• 1:27:01
  spending time with you and our conversations.
• 1:27:05
  Yes, ma'am. It's a, it's a it's a great
• 1:27:07
  honor as always. So thank you so much and thank
• 1:27:09
  you. Everyone that's tuning in today
• 1:27:12
  and watching this or listening to this.
• 1:27:14
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• 1:28:09
  continue to notice all of you and may your ancestors smile
• 1:28:12
  upon you.