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Mega Edition: Vicky Ward And Her 2003 Profile Of Jeffrey Epstein (7/11/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: Day. What we're going to talk about on the podcast,
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  Taking Advantage is something that this lady is pretty good at, honestly,
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  And I'm referring to Vicky Ward. Now I don't know
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  her personally, right, I've never met her, none of that stuff.
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  So my opinions of her are based on her work
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  and whatnot, not on her personally, because again I don't
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  really know her. I never met her or anything like that.
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  But the things that we have seen throughout this case
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  that she's been involved in are straight up disgusting. That
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  puff piece that Vanity Fair pumped out in two thousand
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  and two is just the krem de la creme of ridiculousness.
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  And I know that she wants to put it all
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  on grad and Carter right like it was all Graden
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  Carter's decision. But why didn't Vicky Ward just call an
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  audible and bring it to somebody else to publish. Call
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  Matt Judge, call whoever, bring it to your local news station,
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  Call one of your colleagues. Being a journalist, there's a
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  lot of responsibility with that. In my opinion, I think
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  that you need to be held to a higher standard,
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  and unfortunately we never do that. It seems like our
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  journalists are allowed to, you know, move around in the
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  scum and nobody ever calls them out, and they go
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  around pumping all sorts of bs, nonsense, lies, garbage, propaganda.
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  Nobody calls them out, they're proven wrong, and then people
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  continue to listen to them. So it just boggles my
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  mind that people would invest so much in these news personalities,
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  in these talking heads, when we all know that they're
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  not real journalists, they're not real newsmen. They're there to
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  throw red meat to the base. And Vicky Ward was
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  just another one to go along to get along, right,
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  long as I have my push gig, as long as
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  my paycheck keeps coming in, Who cares if Jeffrey Epstein's
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  an absolute disgusting predator. It's not my decision. Graydon Carter
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  made that decision. Notice how everybody just pumps it off right.
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  Nobody ever wants to take responsibility. No nobody ever says, hey,
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  look the buck stops here. It's always somebody else's fault. Well,
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  guess what, Vicky Ward, You're not getting off that easy.
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  In my opinion, you played a huge part in dropping
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  this smoke screen over Epstein, and no amount of interviews
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  or podcasts are ever going to change that. In my opinion,
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  you had a chance to stop this shit, or at
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  the very least put the brakes to it, and you failed.
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  That's the way I see it, all right. So today
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  we have an article from the Daily Mail, and obviously
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  it's about Vicky Ward and the Venomous Epstein tapes. We'll
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  get to those in a little while. Headline the Venomous
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  Epstein Tapes. When Vicky Ward investigated Jeffrey Epstein, he tried
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  to charm her, then threatened to get her sacked and
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  put a curse on her unborn children. But she recorded
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  it at all, and what she reveals about Glene Maxwell
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  is shocking. Yeah, okay, sure, not trying to be a
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  dick here or anything, but Vicky Ward really hasn't contributed
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  much to this whole entire thing. Right now, all of
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  a sudden, she has a new podcast out two years
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  after Epstein's arrest, two years after everybody you know that's
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  in the world of independent content creation or independent journalism
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  has already laid the case out for you with all
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  of their thousands of hours of work. Now you have
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  a podcast. Now you're showing up to the party now
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  you're looking to cash in. Must be nice. Must be
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  nice to have a bunch of shitbag friends in the
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  legacy media to carry water for you. No worries, Vicky.
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  We'll lay all the building blocks and you can just
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  you know, swoop in and snatch whatever you need and
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  go ahead and rich your soon a little bit more.
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  This article was authored by Vicky Ward. Gawaine. Maxwell and
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  I crossed paths soon after I moved to New York
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  in nineteen ninety seven. Though she was a few years
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  older than me, we were both English Oxbridge educated and
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  would sometimes be invited to the same parties. She was
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  pinned thin, expensively dressed, funny, fun clever, worldly, and the
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  effortless center of attention. Shocking, right, So for them here
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  in America, we're used to, you know, the elite going
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  to like Harvard together, right. Oh he went to Harvard,
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  eh from the Harvard Well in England, it's the same thing,
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  but it's Oxford. Oh I am Oxford educated. So right away,
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  you know, Vicky Ward is already moving in them circles.
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  She's already moving with the so called elite. Guess what
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  breaking news Like you and I who didn't go to
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  Oxford who didn't go to Harvard. We're not invited to
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  these parties unless we're the hired help. Unless you want
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  a catering company, or you own a company that's gonna
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  come in and set the chairs and tables up. Barring that,
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  we are not invited to the same parties or functions
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  that Vicky Ward and Gallaine Maxwell were moving at. She
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  talked about sex a lot, and she liked to behave outrageously.
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  During one Manhattan dinner I heard about, she told a
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  British movie star to live face down on the floor.
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  She jumped on his back and gave him a massage
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  right there on the ground in front of everyone, even
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  as people laughed. One observer wondered if what she was
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  doing was not inappropriate. Oh yeah, you wondered if it
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  was not inappropriate? Breaking news? All right, You're not supposed
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  to lay your friend down at a restaurant and jump
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  on their back and massage theom. Okay, normal people don't
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  do that. I mean, maybe if you're rolling on some
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  ecstasy that's acceptable. But barring that, I highly doubt that
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  anyone finds it normal for somebody to get thrown on
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  the ground and a massage tossed on them in the
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  middle of a restaurant. You want a massage to meet
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  in the restaurant, folks, massage the tenderloin. Usually she was
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  by herself. I had no idea whether or not she
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  had a boyfriend. That's because she didn't have a boyfriend. Okay,
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  Jeffrey Man, I don't know how many times I gotta
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  drill this one home. Jeffrey Epstein and Glaine Maxwell, we're
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  not boyfriend and girlfriend in the traditional sense. You want
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  to get a better idea of their relationship and kind
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  of a handle on how they rolled. Just go and
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  watch the show the Americans and look how the family
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  was put together by the intelligence apparatus and how they
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  played their part. Because in my opinion, that's the same
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  exact deal with Glaine and Jeffrey Epstein. There was never
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  no life there. It was all fabricated and it was
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  set in motion by, you know, the people that were
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  handling them. Certainly, wasn't this love story where these two
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  passing boats met in the night. Give me a break
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  with that, BS. But then in the autumn of two
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  thousand and two, I was assigned to write an article
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  for Vanity Fair magazine, about an intriguing and very rich
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  man called Jeffrey Epstein. I soon discovered that Galaine had
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  had a complicated relationship with Epstein for over a decade.
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  Oh yeah, you had learned. Huh. Now, all of a sudden,
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  you're coming out with all your information. Huh. There, Vicky Ward.
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  You know, there aren't many members of the media that
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  I think fumbled the ball more than Vicky Ward when
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  it comes to this story. I had a chance to
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  put the brakes on this. Folks. Remember that. Always keep
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  that in the back of your mind. Hell, keep that
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  in the front of your mind when you're reading anything
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  from her, or she's pumping some new podcasts she wants
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  you to listen to. Just remember who you're dealing with.
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  They didn't live together, I was told. Some sources claim
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  she worked for him, although Epstein later denied this. He
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  insisted they were not romantically involved, instead telling me she
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  was his best friend and that was the Epstein line
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  in all of this. Right. So again, when people talk
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  about how Maxwell and Epstein were like this couple and
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  how you know they were together boyfriend and girlfriend, it
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  just falls on deaf years to me because it's just
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  not fitting with reality. Of who these two are, right,
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  these people are in it for them, And when you're
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  in a relationship, you can't just be all about you, right,
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  Not in a relationship that's gonna work. You have to
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  be willing to give it up. You have to be
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  willing to do things you don't want to do, believe me,
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  and you're gonna have to do things that you probably
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  would never ever do otherwise. When you love somebody, that's
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  what happens. This was not a love story. This wasn't
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  two people who met and fell in love and then
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  were apart and then came back together in a field
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  running towards each other and a big hug and a meadow. No,
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  this wasn't some love story. Don't try and paint this
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  shit as that. This is two scoundrels, scummy, smarmy sons
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  of bitches, getting together to kick off a criminal enterprise,
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  no different than al Chopo and al Mio. Folks. Okay,
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  what struck me as strange was that at the start
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  of my reporting, I'd bumped into Gallane at a friend's
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  baby shower, and when I'm he mentioned I was writing
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  this article, she started to cry. Okay, again, I don't
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  really know one way or the other what that even means.
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  So you're writing an article and Gleane Maxwell started to cry, Okay,
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  Vicky Ward, you're so intimidating that Gallaine Maxwell was so
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  scared of you writing a puff piece that's gonna pump
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  Jeffrey Epstein's tires. But she started to cry give me
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  a prick. At the time. I put it down to
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  how unequal their relationship seemed. I'd heard she loved him
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  and he did not love her back. She wanted to
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  marry him and have children's sources told me, though she
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  had insisted otherwise. Meanwhile, he wanted to say single and
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  sleep with many other women, which he certainly did women.
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  Huh oh, yeah, I'm sure he slept with a couple
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  of women. But you mean teenagers, right, that's really what
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  you mean, because that's his thing, that's what he preferred.
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  Vicky Ward, even in this piece, can't go all the way.
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  Even in this piece, she can't bring herself to stop
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  pumping his tires and go all out and call him
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  what he was. And that's the biggest problem with these cowards.
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  They're so worried about their big time career and their
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  sixty million dollars contract. By the way, why are they
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  getting that much money to sit on the TV talk
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  shit and divide the country more? Sure, your guys are
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  doing a great job. Here's sixty more million. These people
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  should be making sixty five grand a year tops. And
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  Vicky Ward and the rest of the scoundrels that were
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  laid cover fire for Epstein for all of these years.
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  You are some of the worst of the worst. And Glane,
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  according to the sources, put up with this. They presumed
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  because Epstein could provide her with the same lavish lifestyles
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  she'd grown up with as the daughter of the late
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  crooked media mogul Robert Maxwell. So that's the narrative that
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  they want pushed. So that's the narrative that they put
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  out there. I'm not buying it. You all know. Here
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  on this podcast, we're gonna challenge the narrative. Oh yeah,
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  Ballayne Maxwell. Of all the guys in the world that
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  had money, it was Jeffrey Epstein that she had to
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  go be with, right because he was so rich. She
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  couldn't find somebody in England. Her boy Prince Andrew couldn't
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  have hooked her up. Give me a break, man, How
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  can anyone honestly buy that BS. I don't know. I
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  see right through it. There's no way that the narrative
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  they're pitching about Maxwell and Epstein being in love and
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  Maxwell wanting to be with Epstein forever, none of that
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  shit's real. Okay, that's a fantasy. It's as much of
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  a fantasy as Game of Thrones in my opinion. After
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  his bizarre death in nineteen ninety one, Robert's children, two
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  of whom were accused but cleared of aiding their father's crime,
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  were left, at least officially more or less penniless. So
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  Epstein looked after Glaine financially in return for her introduction,
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  introducing him to the glitterati. That was the mythology. Yeah, no, shit, mythology.
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  That's exactly what it was and is. And you're welcome,
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  Vicky Ward and the rest of the scumbag legacy media
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  morons out there who pilfer the work of independent content creators.
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  Because if it wasn't for independent content creators, independent journalists,
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  none of this story would ever even be out there.
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  Vicky Ward would still be counting her millions and yucking
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  it up with her high society friends. Ghlaine, Maxwell would
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  still be moving around in them circles. Jean Luke Burnell
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  wouldn't even be in jail. So Vicky Ward and the
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  rest of these mainstream legacy media outlets that want to
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  jump on board and act like they're getting credit for
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  something here, well they're not going to find themselves doing
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  that without choppy waters in their way, because they didn't
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  olay the foundation for this shit. In fact, they've played
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  a part of making this harder. In fact, with all
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  of their power, all of their resources, all of their connections,
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  they could have blown this Epstein story out of the
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  water in two thousand and two, Vicky Ward, But you didn't.
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  But when I tore aed Epstein's house in two thousand
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  and two, eleven years after Robert Maxwell's death, there were
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  photos everywhere of another ex girlfriend, former Miss Sweden, Ava
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  Anderson Dubin, but none that I saw as best friend Galaine.
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  Well that's because she was not his best friend. They
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  were business associates, okay, And you don't put pictures of
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  your business associates up on the wall unless you're trying
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  to loss, like he was with Clinton. I asked him
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  about this, and he brushed it aside, saying there were
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  lots of photos of lots of people in the house.
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  My two thousand and two article was on Epstein's money.
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  No one knew how he'd become so rich. He lived
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  in what he said was Manhattan's biggest private townhouse, a
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  nine story mansion. He had a huge ranch in New
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  Mexico and Island in the Caribbean, and his own Boeing
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  seven twenty seven on which he had recently flown Bill
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  Clinton to Africa. And you know, you would think that
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  that would be a whole lot more of an issue, right.
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  I really wish that the legacy media and the people
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  that loved to protect a certain class here in this
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  country would get on board. Don't you think Bill Clinton
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  deserves as much scrutiny, as much derision as the other
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  people in this case. But somehow the legacy media and
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  a whole group of people who claim, oh, we're not biased,
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  still sit around and protect Clinton. It's like the raccoons
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  in the trash can folks sitting around and they're like, look,
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  stay away from our garbage. I just don't understand it.
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  I really don't understand it. Adding to the mystery, he
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  rarely went out, it was said instead that wealthy and
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  powerful people came to him. He claimed to manage the
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  fortunes of billionaires. And that's another funky thing, right that
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  should have rang alarm bells. This dude holds court in
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  his town house, doesn't really go to anybody else. Has
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  everybody come to him? All these rich and powerful people,
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  not only do they come to him, they stay and
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  they talk and I'm guessing end up with a profile
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  on themselves. Compromise. He wanted them all to come to
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  his house so he could film everything, so we can
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  keep a record of everything, so that he could hand
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  off this information to his handlers for a p and
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  keep the operation moving. That is the assumption I'm working on. Okay,
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  that's where I see this case. Our numerous phone calls
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  as we arranged the interview, which was to be off
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  the record, meaning I couldn't quote him, had shown me
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  I was dealing with a mercurial control freak. Oh yeah,
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  So because he set those terms you couldn't quote him.
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  I would have walked right out of the room right then.
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  All right, so this isn't a real interview. What are
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  we doing here? Why am I wasting my time with you?
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  I'm not writing a puff piece. But yet she stayed.
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  She wrote the article, she peddled it, and then when
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  the card started to fall down, passed the buck. Blamed
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  Graydon Carter, and he was true to form. He made
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  a point of eating the sandwiches laid out for his
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  tea one by one without offering me anything, despite the
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  fact that I was pregnant. Ah, Poor Vicky Ward, she
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  didn't get a little sandwich offered to her. You didn't
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  get a half a sangwich offer to you, Vicky Ward.
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  Maybe he didn't want to give you any of his
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  coal cuts. Maybe Jeffrey Epstein wanted to eat all of
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  the boarshead turkey himself that day. But poor Vicky Ward,
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  she didn't get a sandwich. He had also left out
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  a copy of a lurid book by the notorious French libertine,
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  the Marquis de Sade for me to notice on his desk.
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  Whole whoa symbolism. He left a book out on his desk.
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  Man Vicky Ward's shush please. I don't even understand what
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  sort of profiles she's trying to build with that kind
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  of stuff. Nobody cares, all right, nobody cares. We spoke
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  for some time, and I left. Afterwards. Weirdly, his assistant
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  phoned me to tell me he thought I was pretty
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  A messenger delivered a book to me at home. At
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  my home address, Maths for Dummies, I told Epstein, I
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  hadn't studied math since I was fourteen. Oh, how cute.
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  So since you were not so great in math, you're good, buddy,
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  Jeffrey Epstein sent you a Math for Dummies book. Ah,
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  isn't that nice, Vicky Ward? What you really needed is
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  a journalism for dummies book. Then, even more uncomfortably, he
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  began to bombard me with phone calls. These went on
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  daily for months. From their tone, alternately smarmy and bullying,
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  I knew he was hiding something. I just didn't know what.
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  He wasn't remotely charming or funny. He was deeply misogynistic,
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  from a terrible joke about his desire to see his
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  female staff only wearing Prada bikinis in his New York
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  house even in winter, to telling me he enjoyed being
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  surrounded by women because he'd liked elegant things. So what
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  are you trying to tell us here, Vicky Ward? That
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  we don't know? We know that Jeffrey Epstein had chess
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  pieces carved into the likeness of his staff topless, so
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  the fact that he wanted people to wear Prada bikinis
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  at his townouts is supposed to be something that's groundbreaking
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  for us here. Furthermore, that should have told you all
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  you needed to know about him. You see, Vicky Ward,
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  what you're trying to do here is set yourself up
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  as somebody who didn't know, somebody who couldn't have been
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  involved in stopping Epstein. But I don't see it like that.
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  I see you as one of the key figures who
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  fumbled the ball, Vicky Ward, and that's something you're gonna
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  have to live with. Mostly though, he was a thug
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  who soon told me he had compiled a dossier on
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  my then husband and me. He claimed that he could
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  get my husband fired from his job and me from mine.
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  He continually threatened to sue me personally, which he reminded
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  me he knew I couldn't afford. Strangest of all, he
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  threatened to put a hex a demonic spell on my
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  own unborn children. Now that's pretty interesting, right, because there's
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  a lot of people who have went down the occult
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  hole with Jeffrey Epstein. And as I've said several times,
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  I don't understand the occult enough to really go one
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  way or the other. So I'm not gonna blow smoke
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  up your ass like I'm some kind of occultist, like
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  I'm hanging out in under Meyer Park with the son
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  of Sam doing some sort of seance chant. I don't
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  know anything about that shit. I don't know anything about religion.
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  I don't know. It's not my dig not my digs, folks. Now,
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  I've been doing a lot of research into the occult,
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  a lot of watching of documentaries, and and I just
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  it's I know people are into it, but it's hard
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  for me to wrap my mind around all of that stuff,
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  witchcraft and the occult. And I'm too like, uh, based
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  in reality for that stuff. I mean, I don't know. Again,
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  I'm certainly not an expert on it. I don't know
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  one way or the other. You know what's but I
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  will tell you this, there's definitely some occult elements to
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  Jeffrey Epstein and his behaviors, no doubt about that. This
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  crossed all normal boundaries and it became an obsession for him.
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  He wanted to know who my doctor was, where the
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  babies would be delivered, and he warned me, I know
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  all the doctors in this town because of the threats.
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  I recorded him on the advice of my lawyer. The
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  transcripts of these conversations run to some four hundred and
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  fifty pages. Wow, sounds interesting, right, These are gonna be
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  some great tapes. I can't wait to hear them. Now
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  you will be able to hear parts of these re
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  enacted by actors. Sadly, I lost the micro cassettes years ago. Ah,
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  there's the rub. So all of this is based on
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  your transcripts. How do we know you didn't make it up,
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  Vicky Ward? How do we know that this isn't just
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  all pure fiction? Oh? Guess what, guys, I just found
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  some micro cassettes of my interview with Jeffrey Epstein from
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  nineteen eighty seven. But I lost the tapes, and I'm
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  just gonna give you the transcripts. You're gonna have to
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  believe me. Uh what, so, how do again? This is
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  just all bs right? And this is why I probably,
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  like ninety nine point nine percent chance, won't even bother
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  with this uh content, whatever she puts out, I probably
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  won't even listen to it. I'll read reviews or whatever,
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  but I don't even bother with a lot of the
• 23:30
  Epstein stuff out there, folks. To be honest with you,
• 23:33
  they're just going through all the same old ground we've
• 23:36
  already tread, and I feel like it's a waste of
• 23:38
  time most of the time. In my podcast Chasing Glaine,
• 23:46
  released on Audible next week. This is executive produced with
• 23:49
  best selling writer and Grifter James Patterson, and we have
• 23:53
  also filmed a documentary series to be released by Discovery
• 23:56
  Plus later this year. Of course, you have the dinner bell.
• 24:00
  It's ringing, isn't it. The dinner bell is ringing, and
• 24:03
  all of the grifters are at the trough. I don't
• 24:08
  know how many times I gotta say this, but I
• 24:10
  cannot wait for this to be over and done with
• 24:12
  all these other people are, you know, running towards the
• 24:15
  trough hearing the dinner bell and I just want to
• 24:18
  go the other way. It's been almost two years of
• 24:21
  every day covering this disgusting shit, and I've had my
• 24:24
  phil Folks. I cannot wait for this trial to be over.
• 24:29
  I cannot wait for convictions to happen. Now, of course
• 24:35
  Epstein is dead. He was found hanged in his New
• 24:38
  York Federal jail cell in twenty nineteen. In circumstances that
• 24:42
  continue to trouble conspiracy theorists, Really conspiracy theorists, huh, shut
• 24:48
  the fuck up, Vicky Ward. How about that you're part
• 24:52
  of a problem, conspiracy theorists. How about anyone with a
• 24:58
  brain that in their head that works questions the official
• 25:02
  narrative conspiracy theorists, that really bothers me. Man Galaine, his
• 25:10
  alleged accomplice, is awaiting trial for sex trafficking charges and
• 25:13
  other offenses, and faces up to eighty years behind bars,
• 25:17
  have found guilty. She denies all charges, and in light
• 25:21
  of the appalling alleged crimes, particularly those committed against children,
• 25:25
  that this pair have been accused of, and in some
• 25:28
  cases of which Epstein was found guilty, my conversations with
• 25:32
  the man are all the more chilling. Blah blah blah
• 25:35
  blah blah blah blah blah. We don't even know if
• 25:37
  the conversations are real. Okay, you could have made it
• 25:40
  all up, Vicky Ward. Now I'm not saying that's what
• 25:42
  you did. I don't know. I don't know you, but
• 25:44
  from the people I do know who know you. The
• 25:46
  profile isn't great. What you hear in them is a
• 25:52
  master manipulator at work, someone with many secrets to hide.
• 25:56
  In two thousand and two, for example, Epstein told me
• 25:59
  rich people don't go to the authorities when their money
• 26:02
  is stolen. They just want it back. Now I know
• 26:04
  what he meant. Yeah, no, shit, rich people don't go
• 26:07
  to the authorities. They are the authorities. I've discovered while
• 26:12
  preparing the podcast that for thirty years Epstein was embroiled
• 26:16
  in a shady underworld involving international espionage, blackmail, money laundering,
• 26:21
  and smuggling guns, diamonds, and drugs. Oh you discovered that,
• 26:24
  honviky word, that was what you discovered. Huh? Nobody else
• 26:28
  had been doing that work, right, Wow? Talk about just
• 26:32
  showing up and snatching everybody else's work and claiming it
• 26:36
  for your own. Must be nice to be one of
• 26:38
  these elite, one of these rich and famous who get
• 26:41
  to do whatever they want, snatch people's work, just call
• 26:44
  it their own. She's uncovered all of that, folks. Wow.
• 26:53
  He boasted that he was a hyperfixer, someone who can
• 26:55
  move between different countries and cultures, exchanging information, but mostly
• 27:00
  making money. Through shadowy deals. But perhaps inevitably, what most
• 27:05
  fixated him during his talks with me were the girls.
• 27:09
  Again and again he asked me, what about the girls?
• 27:12
  What have you got on the girls? The answer I
• 27:15
  know today was not enough. I don't even know that
• 27:18
  even means, what do you got on the girls? I
• 27:20
  thought you were there profiling him about his life. And furthermore,
• 27:23
  if he was making all of those rude and crude
• 27:25
  phone calls to you, why are you talking to him
• 27:27
  at all? Put him on block, Call your lawyer, call
• 27:30
  your boss, Put him on block, and be done with it.
• 27:35
  One woman who had been to dinner at Epstein's house
• 27:37
  described the event to me as like being in Eyes
• 27:40
  Wide Shut, the nineteen ninety nine films starring Tom Cruise
• 27:43
  and Nicole Kidman and featuring a debotched mass orgy. There
• 27:48
  were parties I heard where Epstein and Maxwell covorted with rich,
• 27:52
  older men among foreign women who looked much younger. Oh
• 27:56
  you heard, huh? Give me a break. God it. It's
• 27:59
  hard to even read this without disdain seeping into every
• 28:03
  word I put after it, because she is just detestable. Folks. Honestly,
• 28:08
  there are not very many people that I can say
• 28:10
  I just dislike, but she is one of them. Now
• 28:17
  I know that. At the same time Epstein was demanding
• 28:20
  of me, what about the girls he was raping? Fifteen
• 28:23
  year old Jennifer. Jennifer Areos, a beautiful child from the
• 28:26
  poorer New York borough of Queens. Yeah, you know, the
• 28:29
  poorer part where you never went right. You could have
• 28:33
  stopped it, You could have did something. You could have
• 28:36
  put together a better piece that really outlined what you
• 28:39
  thought about this man instead of puffing his tires. There's
• 28:45
  no going back to that. You can try and change
• 28:48
  the narrative now, you can try and refurbish your decision,
• 28:51
  but we all know what's up Jennifer's harrowing testimony and
• 28:57
  it's devastating impact on her life or revealed in our podcast,
• 29:01
  she now runs a foundation Survivor's initiative to help girls
• 29:05
  like her. For my Vanity Fair article, I did find
• 29:09
  two sisters, Annie and Marie Farmer, separately. Each told me
• 29:12
  that Epstein had sexually abused both of them, Annie when
• 29:15
  she was just fifteen. I believe them, and I wanted
• 29:19
  to publish their story, but to my dismay, the sister's
• 29:22
  allegations did not make it into my Vanity Fair article.
• 29:26
  Then I wouldn't have ran the article point blank. Period.
• 29:31
  Someone had those kind of allegations and they brought them
• 29:33
  to me as a journalist, and I went to my
• 29:35
  editor with those allegations and he tried to kill it.
• 29:37
  There'd be a couple of things that would occur. One,
• 29:40
  I'd go absolutely batshit, bananas crazy. You think I get crazy, boy,
• 29:45
  I'll tell you what. Go ahead and try and stop
• 29:47
  me from outing somebody as a journalist. That's not your job,
• 29:50
  mister editor. Make sure that my punctuations correct, you bitch,
• 29:55
  write my story. Oh you don't want to write it, cool,
• 29:58
  I'll go somewhere else. They'll publish it. But no, she
• 30:03
  stuck around. She stood there. She let Graydon Carter have
• 30:08
  the fucking situation deteriorate all around her, and she stood
• 30:12
  by and did nothing about it. Now she cries like
• 30:16
  she cared. Now it's all Graydon Carter's fault. Now she
• 30:19
  felt like she was being intimidated. Miss me with all
• 30:24
  of it, I find it all to be absolute bs
• 30:27
  and I won't be giving her one single clicker download.
• 30:33
  The magazine's editor, Graydon Carter says that he and the
• 30:35
  publication's lawyers didn't believe my reporting was sufficient, even though
• 30:39
  I maintained we had three sources supporting their allegations. Carter
• 30:43
  has denied this, and that's absolute bullshit. Just look how
• 30:47
  they go with Oh, sources say, we had a whole
• 30:50
  entire investigation on the Russian interference from unknown sources, from
• 30:57
  a dossier that couldn't even be confirmed. But two women
• 31:01
  come out and say that they were sexually abused by
• 31:03
  Jeffrey Epstein, and you won't run that, huh okay, right, Yeah,
• 31:06
  the media isn't all left up. The media isn't screwed up.
• 31:09
  The legacy media isn't garbage troubling. However, I have an
• 31:19
  email from December two thousand and two, just before the
• 31:22
  story was due to be published, from a colleague at
• 31:25
  Vanity Fair that reads, bless you, guess who just appeared
• 31:28
  in Graydon's office Jeffrey Epstein. So I guess what she's
• 31:33
  hinting at here is that Epstein showed up there to
• 31:35
  intimidate Graydon Carter, and he probably did. But don't pass
• 31:40
  the buck, Vicky Ward. At what point does somebody stand
• 31:45
  up with some steel in their spine in this case,
• 31:47
  y'all have to wait until twenty nineteen until a bunch
• 31:51
  of you know, independent content creators and independent journalists showed
• 31:54
  up to stand up to these people. Nine of Vicky war.
• 32:01
  You just want to go along to get along, right,
• 32:03
  don't knock the boat, don't cause no waves. I gotta
• 32:05
  make sure I get that paycheck breaking news. I'd rather
• 32:09
  starve than sit on a story like that. I'd rather
• 32:15
  not have another meal ever again, than not put a
• 32:20
  son of a bitch on blast like Jeffrey Epstein. It is,
• 32:28
  to say the least, highly unusual for the subject of
• 32:30
  an investigative magazine article to appear in the offices of
• 32:34
  the outlet profiling them, and perhaps especially in the editor's office. No,
• 32:39
  it's not to stop it. These rich people have complete access.
• 32:42
  They're all your friends. Your kids all go to school together.
• 32:45
  Your nannies all come from the same agencies. Oh sorry,
• 32:48
  not Nanni's. Oh pair's big difference. Right, So please miss
• 32:52
  me with all of this shit. Missus Oxford educated, You're
• 32:56
  not one of us. You're not one of the average folk.
• 33:00
  You never woke up in the morning and wondered where
• 33:02
  your dinner was coming from. But Ountain Streets, got pulled
• 33:07
  over by the police and watched them beat up a
• 33:09
  friend of yours. You've never seen that shit, have you?
• 33:11
  You don't know nothing about real life, Vicky Ward did.
• 33:17
  The impeccably well connected Epstein put pressure on the magazine
• 33:21
  to drop any hint of the sexual abuse I had
• 33:23
  uncovered about him. I don't know, but there's no doubt.
• 33:26
  Epstein was rattled by my forthcoming article. Oh and here
• 33:30
  we are. Remember what I always say, right, everybody's the
• 33:33
  hero in their own story, especially Vicky Ward. In one
• 33:41
  of our last and most unpleasant exchanges, he snarled that
• 33:44
  we had reached the point where this was no longer
• 33:46
  about journalist and the subject of a magazine profile. It
• 33:50
  was about me and him. It was he said, personal.
• 33:54
  Oh yeah, so personal that you killed the story. Right.
• 33:57
  If somebody came in and threatened me like that, I
• 33:59
  would know that I'm over the target, kind of like
• 34:01
  I know I'm over the target because iTunes and Apple
• 34:04
  Podcasts is fucking around, right, So I know I'm over
• 34:08
  the target. Same for Vicky Ward. She should have known.
• 34:13
  She pumped out. She didn't have the steel in her
• 34:17
  spine that's needed to go against these people, So why
• 34:21
  should she profit now? His threats to my unborn children
• 34:29
  had affected me, and when I subsequently gave birth to
• 34:31
  twin boys, they were two months premature. I believe the
• 34:35
  stress of dealing with Epstein led to the premature births,
• 34:38
  and as they remained in the Neo Native intensive care
• 34:41
  unit for weeks then months, it was hard to forget
• 34:44
  his ugly threat to have a witch doctor cast a
• 34:46
  spell on them. All right, so is she inferring that
• 34:49
  he casted a spell on them or had somebody cast
• 34:51
  a spell on them? Look, it's not out of the
• 34:55
  realm of possibility, folks. Again, I'm not the expert on
• 34:58
  the occult, though, so I'm not going to sit here
• 35:00
  and act like I do know one way or the other.
• 35:02
  What's what? What a scumbag like Jeffrey Epstein, I don't
• 35:07
  put anything past him. As for Glaine writing my magazine article,
• 35:15
  I was told by reliable sources that she was hopelessly
• 35:18
  in Epstein's thrall. Stuart Pavar, a New York Society art
• 35:22
  dealer and a former friend of Epstein's, told me that
• 35:25
  Epstein appointed him to watch over Glaine in the days
• 35:28
  after Robert Maxwell mysteriously fell to his death from his
• 35:32
  yacht in ninety one. So days after Maxwell died, her
• 35:37
  and Epstein were already so close that Epstein was reaching
• 35:40
  out to Stuart Pavar to watch out for Glaine. Oh,
• 35:43
  that sounds weird. Just a couple of days into the relationship, huh?
• 35:46
  Or had they known each other for a lot longer
• 35:49
  than previously suspected? Pavar said. Epstein told him to make
• 35:56
  sure Glaine made it through this dark period, but it
• 35:59
  was difficult to match the glittering social queen Glaine seemed
• 36:02
  at Manhattan parties with the woman described by the Farmer Sisters,
• 36:07
  pathetic in her emotional and financial dependency on Epstein, who
• 36:10
  treated her with disdain. Annie told me Glaine had given
• 36:15
  her a topless massage when she was sixteen, below the
• 36:18
  age of consent in America. Maria claimed Glaine had pretended
• 36:22
  to be asleep and held her hand while Jeffrey groped her.
• 36:24
  One night in Ohio, I had to put these allegations
• 36:28
  to Golaine in a deeply unpleasant phone call. She denied everything.
• 36:32
  She was furious and after the article ran without Luckily
• 36:37
  for Maxwell and Epstein the Farmer's allegations. I hoped never.
• 36:40
  I hoped never, I'd never see the pair of them again.
• 36:45
  So again she just goes over with the article right
• 36:49
  the farmer situation, and acts like it's a good thing
• 36:54
  that you know, she didn't have her story run, because
• 36:58
  then Epstein would have been caught. Give me a break.
• 37:01
  You're not the hero here. You're the one who didn't
• 37:03
  put this story in. You're the one who didn't fight
• 37:06
  for it. You failed the Maxwell's system. I mean, you
• 37:08
  failed the Farmer's sisters. But Glena and I were to
• 37:15
  cross paths again a few more times. We ran into
• 37:18
  each other a few years later in New York. This
• 37:20
  time she had a new boyfriend, Ted Waite. He had
• 37:23
  founded a computer hardware company and made a fortune. They'd
• 37:27
  met through Bill Clinton, and now she boasted about flying
• 37:30
  helicopters and piloting a submarine that was attached to Ted's yacht,
• 37:35
  as well as the philanthropic work she was doing saving
• 37:38
  the oceans. So again Bill Clinton pops up in this story.
• 37:44
  How many times is Bill Clinton going to be brought
• 37:46
  up or inferred to before somebody really digs in and
• 37:49
  goes deep. Anybody out there in the legacy media have
• 37:54
  the courage to do it or no, we're still playing politics.
• 37:56
  Too busy, tribalistic stuff going on. Too busy right now, man,
• 38:01
  way too busy making sure the pitchforks and the torches
• 38:04
  hate each other to really do some work. It's an
• 38:09
  absolute joke. The legacy media is a dumpster fire. She
• 38:18
  didn't mention Jeffrey Epstein, and why would she. In two
• 38:21
  thousand and nine, he had been jailed for eighteen months
• 38:24
  for solicitation of a prostitute and the minor in Palm Beach, Florida.
• 38:28
  Much of New York society had decided that he was
• 38:31
  a creep, though they didn't know that a US attorney
• 38:34
  no less, had shut down a far more serious federal
• 38:37
  investigation into his crimes. BS bullshit, Okay, it wasn't alex
• 38:42
  Acosta who shut that down. Guys, Come on, you really
• 38:45
  believe that. I mean, that's a fun line to pitch, right,
• 38:50
  fun to get some headlines when he was actually the
• 38:52
  Labor Secretary. But now, doesn't it seem a bit foolish
• 38:56
  to think that it was alex Acosta who shut this down?
• 39:00
  For you mookazy moo casey, look him up if you
• 39:06
  don't know who he is. That might have been the
• 39:12
  end of the story. But in twentyd and eleven a
• 39:15
  photograph taken in Glaine's London townhouse emerged. It showed a
• 39:20
  young girl, Virginia Roberts, standing with Prince Andrew with his
• 39:23
  arm pulled around her waist as Glaine smiled beside them.
• 39:27
  Roberts claimed that when she was seventeen, Epstein and Maxwell
• 39:30
  had pimped her out to Prince Andrew. In subsequent years,
• 39:34
  Glaine has denied this. Oh yeah, I'm sure she has. Pelly.
• 39:38
  You deny the picture though, Oh it's fake, right, Yeah,
• 39:40
  that's what Glaine says. That's what Prince Andrew says. That's
• 39:43
  what her four supporters on Twitter say. But the FBI
• 39:48
  and people that are actual, you know, photographers, well they
• 39:52
  say something different. In twenty and eleven, the year that
• 39:57
  photograph emerged, Maxwell and Waite separated. I last glimpse Glaine
• 40:01
  in twenty fourteen at a book party, but I don't
• 40:04
  recall talking to her. That was one of the last events.
• 40:07
  Many of her friends remember seeing her at New York.
• 40:10
  Oh yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure she was never invited
• 40:12
  anywhere else. None of you guys had little dinner parties
• 40:15
  with her. She wasn't invited to Beso's little privates. Wore
• 40:19
  right the backyard function right, Nah, none of that happened.
• 40:29
  In twenty fifteen, after leaving Vanity Fair, I finally wrote
• 40:32
  a piece about the farmers with the sisters help, published
• 40:36
  in the Daily Beast. This laid out their claims of
• 40:39
  what had been done to them in the nineteen nineties.
• 40:42
  I've had no idea Gallayne thought of that article. But
• 40:45
  the following year, twenty sixteen, I received a call. The
• 40:49
  number was withheld and answered, okay, yeah, because that's what
• 40:53
  people do. They answer withheld calls. I know. I don't
• 40:56
  give me a break if it's as spam risk or
• 40:58
  withheld number, write to voicemail. It was Glaine. She asked
• 41:05
  if I knew that I was on the witness list
• 41:07
  for Virginia Roberts, who was then suing her for defamation.
• 41:10
  A spokesperson for Glaine had called Virginia a liar. I
• 41:15
  was surprised by the call. I hadn't met Virginia, though
• 41:18
  I would later interview her. But I couldn't get off
• 41:21
  the phone quick enough. Journalists don't want to be dragged
• 41:24
  into people's private legal actions. Our job is to report
• 41:27
  and to protect our sources. Boy, you feled at that,
• 41:30
  didn't you talk about an epic failure protect your sources?
• 41:35
  You didn't protect the farmer's sisters and then to write
• 41:39
  the truth? Well, you certainly didn't do that either, did you.
• 41:47
  This was in the wake of the allegations that Epstein
• 41:50
  had received an unduly lenient sentence in Florida, allegedly perverting
• 41:54
  justice for dozens of his victims. What do you mean allegedly,
• 41:57
  that's exactly what happened, Vicky Ward. You see she's still
• 42:01
  dancing around the edges. She's still not willing to commit
• 42:06
  allegedly this allegedly that what's Epstein gonna sue you from
• 42:09
  the gray? Vicky Ward? God, these legacy media journalists. I
• 42:17
  sense that she was that she wanted to see me
• 42:20
  for her litigation purposes, so I did not reply to
• 42:23
  her note. Since her incarceration a year ago, she has
• 42:26
  become perhaps the most hated woman in the world. People
• 42:30
  find the idea of a woman allegedly abusing other women
• 42:33
  children even worse than if a man does it. Thirty
• 42:37
  eight percent of people involved in human trafficking, according to reports,
• 42:41
  are women. This notion that it's just men is not
• 42:47
  very productive or helpful, And Galage isn't just any woman.
• 42:56
  She's educated, born into immense privilege, with an extraordinary content book.
• 43:00
  But there are still many questions about her. Even those
• 43:03
  who thought they knew her well are in the dark
• 43:06
  about the true nature of her relationship with Epstein and
• 43:10
  what they may or may not have done together. Still others,
• 43:15
  particularly certain very rich, very powerful men, fear that even
• 43:20
  from the grave, Epstein could yet bring them down. Well,
• 43:25
  there you have at Vicky Folks, Vicky warr telling us
• 43:29
  absolutely nothing. We know all of this stuff. This is
• 43:34
  just a cash grab on her and James Patterson's part
• 43:37
  in my opinion, and frankly, I won't be listening or
• 43:42
  watching one single bit of the content they come up with.
• 43:48
  If you'd like to contact me, you can do that
• 43:50
  at Bobby Kapucci at Protonmeil dot com. That's bo b
• 43:54
  bu y c ap you c CI at Protonmeil dot com.
• 43:59
  You can also I'm me on Twitter at Bobby Underscore
• 44:03
  cap Ucci. All of the links that go with this
• 44:07
  episode can be found in the description box. All right,
• 44:11
  folks Up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
• 44:15
  Yesterday we were talking about the New Yorker article that
• 44:19
  profiled Vicky Ward's involvement in the Jeffrey Epstein case and
• 44:25
  the now infamous two thousand and three Vanity Fair article. Now,
• 44:31
  we heard from Maria and Annie Farmer for a very
• 44:35
  long time about Vicky Ward's in action, how she didn't
• 44:39
  report the whole story, and how she omitted the truth. Now,
• 44:44
  Vicky Ward, she says that it wasn't her fault. It
• 44:48
  was the paper's fault. It was Graydon Carter's fault. It
• 44:51
  was everybody's fault but hers. Meanwhile, she's the one who
• 44:56
  penned the piece. She's the one who is the alleged journalist. Right,
• 45:01
  But you let someone like Graydon Carter kill your story.
• 45:04
  You mean to tell me you have no other friends
• 45:06
  in the media, nobody else that works for a publication
• 45:11
  that you could have hit up and said, hey, look
• 45:13
  this is what I got. I want you to check
• 45:15
  the check the and verify it, make sure it's right,
• 45:18
  and then I want you to run it. You mean
• 45:20
  to tell me nobody else would have had the courage
• 45:22
  to do it. I mean, maybe not. We've seen how
• 45:26
  the legacy media protected Epstein for a long time, so
• 45:30
  maybe not. But one thing is for sure, Vicky warr
• 45:34
  trying to pass the buck, trying to make it somebody
• 45:39
  else's fault is just unacceptable. She eft up here, and
• 45:44
  that's just the way of it, and her not going
• 45:47
  to bat for the survivors, not going to bat for
• 45:51
  Annie and Maria after they spoke with her in confidence,
• 45:56
  you know, trusted her to try and help them get justice,
• 45:59
  and for them to not have her push the ball
• 46:05
  down the field for them after interviewing them and having them,
• 46:10
  you know, expose everything that happened, and for her not
• 46:13
  to use that in the story and to go on
• 46:16
  and write a glowing piece about Epstein is just the
• 46:19
  nail in the coffin. So this morning we have an
• 46:23
  article from the Daily Beast, and this article is Vicky
• 46:27
  Ward's response to the article yesterday from The New Yorker.
• 46:33
  Now you all know how I feel about context, right,
• 46:35
  and I want to know the whole story. I'm not
• 46:37
  here to just hear one side of the story. Ever,
• 46:39
  I want all of the evidence, as much context as possible,
• 46:43
  so that I can make as much of an informed
• 46:46
  decision about what I believe as possible. So let's see
• 46:51
  what Vicky Ward has to say for herself, shall we?
• 46:54
  Like I said, this article is from the Daily Beast
• 46:57
  and the author is Kate Brickley. Headline Epstein, journalist Vicky
• 47:02
  Ward hits back at The New Yorker and Graydon Carter.
• 47:06
  So for Vicky Ward's part, it's always been it's the
• 47:10
  blame is Graydon Carter's. She doesn't shoulder any of this blame.
• 47:13
  You know, she was just a reporter trying to get
• 47:18
  a story out there. She wasn't part of the you know,
• 47:20
  the social scene or anything like that. Again, another one
• 47:23
  of these people that would have you believe that they're helpless.
• 47:28
  Journalist Vicky Ward has released what she claims are select
• 47:32
  transcripts related to her two thousand and three Vanity Fair
• 47:35
  profile of Jeffrey Epstein, following a critical New Yorker examination
• 47:40
  into why accusations from two of his survivors were asked
• 47:44
  from her expose. Now, it's nice to see the legacy
• 47:48
  media catching up to all of this. But we've been
• 47:51
  talking about this for over a year and Vicky Ward
• 47:58
  and her role in helping, you know, build Epstein's profile,
• 48:05
  helping his rise. You know, a glowing article like this
• 48:10
  can only help enable Jeffrey Epstein and his disgusting behaviors.
• 48:16
  You're basically giving him credibility. Wart's transcripts, which appear edited
• 48:22
  and do not include any audio, portray then Vanity Fair
• 48:26
  editor in chief Graydon Carter as allegedly saying the abuse
• 48:30
  of a sixteen year old was not that earth shattering.
• 48:33
  I mean, wow, really, And again, look, I wasn't there.
• 48:36
  I'm not sitting here trying to defend Grayden Carter either.
• 48:39
  He's a piece of shit. You're the editor, bro, run
• 48:42
  the story. What are you scared of? All of these
• 48:45
  people who are scared of these so called elite. It's
• 48:47
  just mind boggling to me. They only have the power
• 48:51
  that you give them back. In two thousand and two,
• 48:55
  Ward had interviewed siblings Annie and Maria Farmer for her
• 48:58
  thorough piece Talented Mister Epstein, but their claims of sexual
• 49:02
  abuse at the hands of Epstein and his ex girlfriend
• 49:05
  them accomplice and you know, convicted human trafficker and you
• 49:09
  know child abuser Glenn Maxwell never made it to the
• 49:13
  final copy. Late last year, Annie was one of four
• 49:16
  survivors to testify at Maxwell's criminal case. So again, what
• 49:20
  it does. It just shines a terrible light on Vicky Ward.
• 49:25
  You mean to tell me you had the information from
• 49:28
  Annie Farmer all of those years ago and you didn't
• 49:32
  run it. And now fast forward to twenty twenty two,
• 49:35
  twenty twenty one, and those allegations are the ones that
• 49:40
  are used to get a conviction on Maxwell. As a journalist,
• 49:45
  you shit the bed, and as a human being, you're
• 49:48
  not a very good one. Ward has argued Vanity Fairs
• 49:54
  Carter caved a pressure from Epstein and acts the farmers
• 49:58
  from the scoop against her wishes. And again, this is
• 50:01
  a bunch of he said. She said, how do we
• 50:03
  know who did what or who didn't do what. The
• 50:05
  fact of the matter is, everybody involved with the decision
• 50:08
  making process not to run the story is shouldering their
• 50:12
  share of the blame. And for Vicky Ward to act
• 50:16
  like she had nothing to do with it, it's just
• 50:19
  it's ridiculous. And I don't know anyone who believes that.
• 50:25
  On Tuesday, The New Yorker published a deeper dive into
• 50:28
  Ward's assertions of having no say in the farmers being
• 50:31
  silenced and revealed a more nuanced and less favorable picture
• 50:36
  of why War didn't break the Epstein trafficking story. The
• 50:40
  legacy media was protecting Jeffrey Epstein. That's what it was, Okay,
• 50:45
  the same legacy media that wants you to hate your cousin,
• 50:47
  hates your neighbor. Yeah, that's same exact legacy media. And
• 50:52
  it's it's ridiculous. Vicky Ward, Vanity Fair, Graden Carter, everybody
• 50:58
  else involved this short this story or he should have
• 51:00
  run and if it did, who knows how many girls
• 51:04
  and women it could have saved from a lifetime of
• 51:07
  misery at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein. But no, you
• 51:11
  couldn't run the story, right, You're too worried that Jeffrey
• 51:14
  Epstein might be mad at you. He might show up
• 51:16
  in his goofy ass slippers and his slippers and his
• 51:19
  mom jeans, and then what what's he going to do?
• 51:25
  The article by New Yorker scribe Isaac Chottner also examined
• 51:29
  Wards for giving twenty and eleven take on Epstein and
• 51:32
  Maxwell that glossed over their alleged abuse of young women.
• 51:36
  And you see, if it was one mistake, you could
• 51:39
  say all right, Well, she made a mistake, but there's
• 51:41
  a history of this refurbishing Jeffrey Epstein's reputation, helping build
• 51:48
  it back up, and then in twenty and eleven writing
• 51:51
  another glossy piece on Epstein on Maxwell. Now fast forward
• 51:59
  to today, and you should all believe that you're some
• 52:01
  hard charging journalist who was looking for the truth the
• 52:04
  whole entire time. He had zero chance that's gonna happen
• 52:07
  on this show. In response, war tweeted that Chattner's article
• 52:14
  was riddled with malicious inaccuracies and that she was going
• 52:17
  to release the transcripts of what Graydon Carter and Maria
• 52:20
  and Annie Farmer said to me back then so that
• 52:23
  you can read it for yourself and judge off what
• 52:26
  Vanity Fair did was right. So again, it's the blame game.
• 52:30
  Nobody ever wants to take responsibility for the things that
• 52:33
  they screwed up. I'm so glad that one of the
• 52:38
  things that was just pounded into my head as a
• 52:41
  child was self responsibility. You mess up, you own up,
• 52:45
  and you move on. You fix it if you can,
• 52:48
  and if not, you make sure you never do it
• 52:50
  again in the future. We don't see that from Vicky Ward.
• 52:57
  But Ward told The Daily Beast that she had decided
• 52:59
  again releasing her transcribed conversations with Annie and Maria. Yeah.
• 53:03
  Good idea, that's told to you in confidence. You've already,
• 53:08
  you know, hurt the process with Maria and Annie long enough.
• 53:12
  Now you're talking about, oh, maybe I'll release transcripts, and again,
• 53:16
  how do we even know if they're real. I'm not
• 53:18
  trying to sound like a dick here, right, or a
• 53:20
  cynical skeptic. But again, I don't just trust people anymore.
• 53:26
  You know, there's no journalists out there where I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 53:28
  whatever they say, I trust. I have to verify everything
• 53:33
  I read these days. I decided it would be wrong
• 53:42
  to put those out Ward said on Wednesday. At the
• 53:45
  end of the day, they don't need it. They've been
• 53:47
  through enough, and that is more important than defending myself. Well,
• 53:50
  we can agree on that. One thing is for sure.
• 53:53
  All of the survivors here have been through more than enough.
• 53:59
  Annie and Maria especially, So you got Vicky Ward out
• 54:03
  here making things more difficult. It's not a good look.
• 54:10
  I'm very upset that they're upset. Ward added on the farmers,
• 54:14
  I feel that we're aligned that we're all fighting the
• 54:16
  same system, and I hope they're able to get some
• 54:18
  clarity from reading what I wrote. Yeah, I highly doubt it.
• 54:21
  And we're not all aligned. If we were all aligned,
• 54:24
  you would have had that article out about Epstein in
• 54:26
  two thousand and three, then another chance in twenty and eleven,
• 54:30
  you didn't do it again. So what do you mean
• 54:32
  we're all aligned. I'm not aligned with you. We're certainly
• 54:34
  not allies. In her defense of her reporting, Ward focused
• 54:41
  on what she said was Carter protecting the patriarchal system
• 54:44
  that short up Epstein rather than exposing it. Oh what
• 54:48
  a typical low hanging fruit to go to. So it's
• 54:50
  the patriarchy. Huh, the patriarchy held you back from not
• 54:55
  exposing this. You again, you could have brought this information
• 54:59
  to a million day outlets. You chose not to. You
• 55:02
  chose to be silenced by Graydon Carter, or you chose
• 55:07
  to help harbor the reputation of Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell.
• 55:10
  Either way, you're a coward. Carter war told The Daily
• 55:16
  Beast had a bromance with Epstein and said they formed
• 55:19
  their own back channel to underminer as she worked to
• 55:22
  report on claims that Epstein prayed on young women. Again,
• 55:25
  that might be true. I'm not saying it's not. I
• 55:27
  don't know. I wasn't there, and I'm sure Graydon Carter
• 55:29
  isn't a great person either. But for her to try,
• 55:33
  and you know, shrug off all of the responsibility onto
• 55:36
  somebody else, it's disgusting. Take your piece of the blame
• 55:41
  here and do a better job. She also said she's
• 55:48
  been marginalized by sexist journalism utilizing anonymous sources, and questioned
• 55:54
  the purpose of the New Yorker piece, which she described
• 55:57
  as vindictive, personal, slanted, and inaccurate. I mean, look, this
• 56:02
  is the way of it, Vicky Ward. You're out here,
• 56:07
  you know, somebody who is hanging out with Glenn Maxwell,
• 56:10
  friendly with them, writing puff pieces on them, and then
• 56:14
  when the chickens come home to roost, now it's about
• 56:17
  the patriarchy and and how uh you know it's sexist.
• 56:22
  Come on, man, what that does is it just takes
• 56:29
  all responsibility away from her for her actions and says, oh,
• 56:35
  it's the system's fault, why I reacted this way. Guess what,
• 56:39
  you sometimes you got to be willing to go against
• 56:42
  the system. You have to be willing to put it
• 56:44
  all on the line. On Wednesday, Ward Defender defended herself
• 56:50
  in her Substack newsletter with a post titled what the
• 56:53
  New Yorker got wrong. She took shots at Carter, whom
• 56:57
  she accused of being a self congratulatory male at club
• 57:00
  with Epstein again with the attack on mails, and it's
• 57:04
  all guys fault. I mean, don't get me wrong. Plenty
• 57:08
  of scumbag dudes right, but in this specific instance, has
• 57:12
  nothing to do with it. She could have went to
• 57:14
  anybody with this story, she did not. She chronicled what
• 57:19
  she claimed were written records of certain conversations between herself
• 57:23
  and Epstein and Carter, and a conference call with the
• 57:25
  two men, and other damning details about her old boss.
• 57:29
  She claimed she provided these transcripts to Chattener, but he
• 57:33
  didn't include them in his story. Are they both under age?
• 57:36
  Carter allegedly asked Ward of the farmers, and again he
• 57:39
  didn't include it in his story. How's he going to
• 57:41
  verify it? If anyone can hand over some notes and
• 57:44
  be like, oh, these are the actual notes, these are
• 57:47
  the notes, But how can someone verify that? So I
• 57:51
  don't blame Chottner? For not running. That one was in
• 57:56
  her very early twenties. Ward replied, and one was sixteen. Okay,
• 58:00
  the sixteen, I mean what people do in their private lives,
• 58:04
  I mean is not that, you know, earth shattering. I
• 58:06
  think the money thing is more interesting. Carter allegedly said, Now,
• 58:10
  I do not doubt that these dudes have no they
• 58:13
  don't care if someone sixteen, what do they care. They
• 58:16
  have all the money in the world, all the power
• 58:18
  in the world. They can get away with whatever they want.
• 58:20
  So to Carter, that's just a shoulder shrugging situation, because,
• 58:24
  like we always talk about, that kind of shit is
• 58:27
  normalized for these sick people in her substack rebuttal word rights,
• 58:33
  think about that sixteen. What people do in their private
• 58:36
  lives is not that earth shattering in hindsight, the poor
• 58:40
  farmers didn't stand a chance against that attitude, nor did
• 58:44
  I again setting herself up as a victim as well, Sorry,
• 58:48
  Vicky Ward, You're not a victim. You were in a
• 58:50
  position where you could have made a change, You could
• 58:53
  have made a difference, and you did not. That's what
• 58:55
  it all comes down to. Right. Word also alleges Carter
• 59:01
  himself behaved inappropriately by dishing the details of his private
• 59:05
  life that involved the former employee, She writes, And how
• 59:08
  did he think I felt during years of being on
• 59:10
  the receiving end of critical remarks about my clothes, mutton
• 59:14
  dressed as lamb my face, save the botox for when
• 59:17
  you need it? And my marriage again, what does any
• 59:20
  of that have to do with anything? Trying to set
• 59:23
  herself up and build his profile of Oh woe is me,
• 59:26
  poor Vicky Ward? And if he was such an asshole
• 59:29
  and such a dick and vanity fair was such a
• 59:31
  bad outlet to write for, why wouldn't you go over
• 59:34
  their head and try and scoop them and give the
• 59:36
  story to someone else. Unfortunately, it seems that the same
• 59:42
  misogyny is prevalent at the top of Conde Nast today.
• 59:45
  Ward ads bash the woman is the message, rather than
• 59:49
  report the inconvenient facts. The same patriarchy that victimized and
• 59:53
  tortured these women is once again circling the wagons to
• 59:56
  protect itself. I mean, is she for real? This is
• 1:00:00
  just I really doubt anyone believes that. Okay, to try
• 1:00:05
  and use that as your defense is just wow. I
• 1:00:11
  don't even know what else to say about that. As
• 1:00:14
  for comment on Ward's accusations, Carter said in an email, sorry,
• 1:00:17
  it's impossible to deal with the serial liar. Nothing Vicky
• 1:00:21
  Ward says is true nothing, as McCarthy said of Lillian Hellman. Carter,
• 1:00:26
  referring to dueling writers Mary McCarthy and Lillian Hellman, would
• 1:00:29
  not comment further when asked if Ward's transcripts are fake. Again,
• 1:00:34
  nobody knows who knows what she wrote. Meanwhile, Ward's apparent
• 1:00:39
  transcripts of her calls with Epstein don't reveal her directly
• 1:00:42
  grilling him about Annie and Maria's sexual abuse accusations. There
• 1:00:46
  was the implication that Maria Farmer finally Ohio or left
• 1:00:52
  because she felt there was some sort of sexual pressure.
• 1:00:55
  War told Epstein, who replied for who Ward answered from you.
• 1:00:59
  Ward told the Daily Beasts that later she sent Epstein
• 1:01:02
  a list of specific questions via facts, and that call
• 1:01:05
  with the financier was only an initial conversation. She can't
• 1:01:09
  even get her real her story right. So again, I
• 1:01:12
  just I don't believe any of it, And obviously it's
• 1:01:15
  up to all of you to believe what you want
• 1:01:17
  to believe. But for me, none of this makes sense
• 1:01:20
  and it just seems like another cover your ass situation.
• 1:01:26
  I'm feeling him out in the call, and then he
• 1:01:28
  goes to see Graydon Carter. Ward said, Then Graydon told
• 1:01:31
  me the next day that he believes Jeffrey Epstein over
• 1:01:34
  the Farmers. So again, it's all Gray Graydon Carter's fault, right,
• 1:01:38
  And don't get me wrong, scumbag. But Vicky Ward, you're
• 1:01:42
  not an adult here. You're just somebody who stands around.
• 1:01:44
  You're an automaton who does what they're told. Both Annie
• 1:01:52
  and Maria have said Vanity Fair's exclusion of their interviews
• 1:01:55
  and corroborating information from their mother was painful for their family,
• 1:01:59
  and that in recent years, when Ward wanted to interview
• 1:02:02
  them again, Maria had to tell her to stop harrassing them.
• 1:02:05
  Maria told The Daily Beast that the New Yorker story
• 1:02:08
  was an incomplete analysis of her lives and her cover
• 1:02:11
  up for her friends Jeffrey and Galaane. No matter what
• 1:02:14
  Vicky Ward does, it's to help Vicky Ward, Maria fumed.
• 1:02:18
  Vicky Ward has never once cared about the children involved
• 1:02:21
  in this story. About my baby sister, who is fifteen
• 1:02:24
  when this happened. She doesn't care about anything but prestige
• 1:02:26
  and money. Maria is not wrong there. She's one hundred
• 1:02:29
  percent correct. That's all these people care about. How do
• 1:02:33
  I further my career? And if that means harboring the
• 1:02:37
  reputation of somebody like Jeffrey Epstein, well so be it.
• 1:02:43
  Maria said that when the Epstein case paid headlines in
• 1:02:45
  recent years, Ward would contact her and her family and
• 1:02:48
  hound them for interviews via phone and in letters. She
• 1:02:52
  has milked us to death. Maria said, I have a
• 1:02:54
  real problem with Vicky because her story has never seemed
• 1:02:57
  to line up. Maria added, how dare she tried to
• 1:03:00
  defend herself right now? And look the rage that Maria feels.
• 1:03:04
  It's not fake. Okay, I know that for sure, and
• 1:03:08
  I know that for a fact. Maria is she feels
• 1:03:12
  very wronged by Vicky Ward, and I don't blame her. Annie,
• 1:03:18
  in her own statement to The Daily Beast, said, what
• 1:03:20
  appears to me to be more concerned about protecting her
• 1:03:22
  reputation than she ever was about protecting girls and young
• 1:03:26
  women from a pair of predators. Instead of pointing fingers,
• 1:03:30
  I wish all parties were taking more ownership for their mistakes.
• 1:03:32
  Annie continued the dissection of what went wrong in two
• 1:03:35
  thousand and two is relevant because many members of the
• 1:03:39
  media still need to learn how to engage ethically with
• 1:03:42
  individuals coming forward with allegations of abuse, rather than retraumatize
• 1:03:47
  them and people in the media blue check marks on
• 1:03:50
  Twitter especially, you should read that paragraph again. When you
• 1:03:54
  have these survivors being more comfortable talking to people in
• 1:03:58
  the independent media, independent content creators than they are just
• 1:04:02
  speaking to regular journalists who are supposed to be digging
• 1:04:06
  for the truth, you know that there's a big problem.
• 1:04:08
  And it just goes back to the fact that nobody
• 1:04:11
  trusts the legacy media anymore because this is what happens.
• 1:04:14
  They stick up for their buddies, predators go un called out,
• 1:04:19
  and then when the chickens come home to roost, when
• 1:04:22
  it's found out that you were up to nonsense, there's
• 1:04:25
  never any apologies. It's just more, oh, it wasn't me,
• 1:04:29
  and it's gross. It's disgusting, and people like Annie and
• 1:04:34
  Maria they deserve a lot better from the legacy media.
• 1:04:38
  Still Ward says she is entitled to defend herself in
• 1:04:41
  light of The New Yorker's story, and she doesn't believe
• 1:04:43
  she's done so at the farmer's expense. Look, I agree
• 1:04:46
  everyone should be able to defend themselves, but with that said,
• 1:04:50
  it doesn't mean I'm going to believe what you're pitching.
• 1:04:53
  In recent years, Ward came forward to say that she
• 1:04:56
  believes the farmers claims and capitalized on the Epstein scandal
• 1:05:00
  with a three parts special Chasing Glaine on Discovery Plus
• 1:05:05
  and an audible podcast of the same title. It cracks
• 1:05:08
  me up. I'm not gonna digress too far here, but
• 1:05:12
  all of these podcasts that all of a sudden have
• 1:05:14
  popped up recently about Glene Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein comical
• 1:05:19
  at best. She first accused Carter of excising the women
• 1:05:25
  from her story in a twenty fifteen column for The
• 1:05:28
  Daily Beast. It came down to my sources word against Epstein's,
• 1:05:33
  and at the time Graydon believed Epstein. Ward wrote, in
• 1:05:36
  my notebook, I have him saying I believe him. I'm Canadian.
• 1:05:39
  What does that mean? I don't believe you when I'm Italian?
• 1:05:42
  So put that in your pipe and smoke it. Chottner
• 1:05:46
  interviewed Ward about his story of covering Epstein and Maxwell
• 1:05:49
  after the latter was convicted in late December of Grooming
• 1:05:52
  Girls for the multi Millionaire Pedophile, Many of the things
• 1:05:56
  she told me and had told her podcast listeners turned
• 1:05:59
  out to be untrue, Chattner writes, and for those of
• 1:06:02
  you out there listening to the podcast right now, you
• 1:06:04
  know for a fact that that's one of the number
• 1:06:06
  one things when it comes to podcasts that's important. Getting
• 1:06:10
  the story straight and consistency the two most important things
• 1:06:14
  Ward has neither was it a ten part series where
• 1:06:17
  it's filled with all kinds of bs. According to Chattner,
• 1:06:21
  all publications, including this one, at times look back on
• 1:06:25
  stories and regret not pursuing them further. But Ward's claim
• 1:06:28
  that Vanity Fair prevented her from exposing Epstein misrepresents a
• 1:06:32
  more complicated reality. That's factual, definitely a more complicated reality.
• 1:06:38
  But she could have made it less complicated by just
• 1:06:40
  taking the story elsewhere. Again, I know that sounds easy,
• 1:06:43
  and it's easy for me to say it's not my
• 1:06:45
  livelihood on the line, But guess what, Sometimes you have
• 1:06:50
  to have courage, and if you're going to be a journalist,
• 1:06:52
  especially your job as a member of the Fourth Estate,
• 1:06:55
  is to hold people of a power to account. Chottner,
• 1:07:02
  adds Carter, who now says that he distrusted Ward as
• 1:07:05
  a reporter, has offered conflicting explanations for his magazine's decision
• 1:07:09
  not to run the sister's allegations. For her part, Ward
• 1:07:13
  has repeatedly misrepresented her reporting on Epstein, changing her story
• 1:07:17
  from year to year and at times from day to day,
• 1:07:20
  and was a far less heroic actor than she would
• 1:07:23
  have audiences believe. Yeah, it's nice to see chatterer as
• 1:07:28
  getting caught up on this. We've only been talking about
• 1:07:31
  this for over two years. Maria was a twenty six
• 1:07:36
  year old art student in New York when she met
• 1:07:37
  Epstein in Maxwell and claims the duo sexually assaulted her
• 1:07:41
  in nineteen ninety six. During the alleged assault, Farmer had
• 1:07:45
  been staying at the home of Epstein's pal, former Limited
• 1:07:48
  Brands chairman Les Wexner. And Maria's story is one that
• 1:07:52
  is pretty uh disgusting, and said, she's told her story
• 1:07:58
  here on this podcast before she's told it elsewhere. And
• 1:08:02
  I think that Maria and Annie, if they would have
• 1:08:07
  just been listened to, all of this could have been stopped.
• 1:08:13
  The creepy couple also prayed on Maria's sixteen year old
• 1:08:15
  sister Annie, who was growth by Maxwell during a visit
• 1:08:18
  to Epstein's new Mexico compound. At Maxwell's criminal trial, Annie
• 1:08:23
  said she was frozen in fear when the socialite, pedophile,
• 1:08:27
  convicted human trafficker molested her. And again, we all heard
• 1:08:30
  Annie's testimony, we all read it, and we all know
• 1:08:33
  how harrowing that must have been for her. Last July,
• 1:08:38
  Maria told Page six she was tired of Ward allegedly
• 1:08:40
  profiting from her and Annie's experience with Epstein. I am horrified.
• 1:08:44
  Just leave us alone. Can't you make money off of
• 1:08:47
  other victims? Maria told the outlet ahead of Ward's podcast premiere.
• 1:08:50
  She added, whenever we hear the name Vicky Ward, we cringe.
• 1:08:54
  Ward responded that she made an effort to really apologize
• 1:08:57
  to Maria in the podcast. She was done a great disservice.
• 1:09:00
  Ward told Page six Epstein ruined her life. I'm hugely
• 1:09:05
  sorry for my role in that. She obviously sees me
• 1:09:07
  as the enemy, which is very upsetting. Well, look, you
• 1:09:11
  had a chance to help her. You had a chance
• 1:09:14
  to go and tell the world what happened, and you
• 1:09:16
  did not. You sat on it. And because of that,
• 1:09:20
  I can't even begin to tell you the struggles that
• 1:09:22
  Maria has had since then. Cancer issues with hiding from
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  these people. There's no way to live your life, and
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  she deserves a lot better than that from Vicky Ward
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  and the rest of these pieces as shit. In Schottner's piece,
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  Carter initially recalled that he edited Ward's first draft of
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  her two thousand and three story and that there was
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  no mention of young women in it. Emails showed, however,
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  that Ward had discussed the Farmer's sexual abuse accusations with
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  fact checkers and a photo editor weeks before her deadline.
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  Carter and I also spoke on the phone, Shotner writes,
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  and he told me that the decision not to run
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  the Farmer's allegation was likely influenced by Ward's professional reputation.
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  My staff, to a person, did not trust her. Then
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  why is she working for you? Why do we have
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  people in the media or in the journalist rooms who
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  are not trusted. If nobody trusts you and you're a liar,
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  why are you giving the news to the rest of us.
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  It's amazing to me fire her. Then, in the three
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  years after Epstein's profile, Ward continue to write about the
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  wealthy sex offender and mingle with Maxwell in Manhattan. Society circles.
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  Her bylines included a casual two thousand and eight Vanity
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  Fair item about rumors that Epstein would flee to Israel
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  to avoid jail time for soliciting a minor in Florida.
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  The story closes with an impertinent exchange. Well, I guess
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  you and I have history by now, Jeffrey, I told them,
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  thinking of my two thousand and three article. He replied,
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  you know how many girls say that to me? Oh?
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  How cute? What a loving moment between you two absolute scoundrels.
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  The next column, in twenty eleven, was effusive about Maxwell,
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  the very woman Annie accused of abuse in an interview
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  with Ward about nine years before. So after she knew
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  all of this, Vicky Ward, she had been hipped to
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  all of this by Annie and Maria and had hindsight
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  as her benefit. And she's still hanging out with Glenn Maxwell,
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  So anything she says after that should not be taken seriously.
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  This is not to say I didn't hear stories about
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  the girls, Ward wrote, I did, but not knowing quite
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  whom to believe, I concentrated on the intriguing financial mystery instead,
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  Ward added, and they didn't even dig deep there. The
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  financial aspect of this case is one of the most
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  interesting aspects to me, and for her to act like
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  she's really dug deep here is laughable at best. Ward added, Sure,
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  Jeffrey had his sexual peccadillos, but then Glaine, his father
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  was not without his oddities. Again, what about is? And
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  what does that even mean? His peccadillos? You mean abusing
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  children and raping women. That's peccadillos to you. Huh. I
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  guess when you're part of the so called elite and
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  you do that sort of shit, it's just a peccadillo.
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  Ward says. Her original copy said we concentrated instead of iye,
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  because she wanted to cover for Vanity far and Carter.
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  She says she always believed the farmers, but an editor
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  changed your copy and made it seem otherwise. Oh is
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  that right again? And you never came out with your
• 1:12:33
  own version? And Glaine full disclosure. I like her, most
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  people in New York do. It's almost impossible not to,
• 1:12:41
  Ward wrote. She is always the most interesting, the most vivacious,
• 1:12:45
  the most unusual person in any room. Oh, give me
• 1:12:48
  a fucking break, breaking news. I guarantee you I know
• 1:12:52
  people in New York who don't like Galaine Maxwell. Okay,
• 1:12:55
  I promise you that she's not the most interesting person
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  anywhere Ever. I've spent hours talking to her about the
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  Third World? Do you mean the developing world again? Remember, folks,
• 1:13:06
  when these people are up there calling everybody else racist
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  or misogynists or whatever it might be, this is the
• 1:13:11
  way they look at the developing world. Oh, it's the
• 1:13:14
  third world, speaking of it in derogatory terms, like there's places.
• 1:13:21
  I've spent hours talking to her about the third world
• 1:13:23
  at a bar until two am. She is as passionate
• 1:13:26
  as she is knowledgeable. She is curious. She has spent
• 1:13:29
  weeks at the bottom of the ocean, literally going deeper
• 1:13:32
  than anyone else. She should have just stayed there. Okay,
• 1:13:35
  the world to be a better place. Nobody cares if
• 1:13:37
  she's out here acting like Jacques Cousteau. Nobody gives a fuck.
• 1:13:42
  Asked about this language, Ward told The Daily Beast that
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  Maxwell had an extraordinary charisma, but claim she didn't know
• 1:13:48
  her well. She said they'd run into each other sporadically
• 1:13:51
  at a book launch or a movie premiere. This is
• 1:13:54
  somebody I would run into at an event. It's not
• 1:13:56
  somebody I would be having lunch with. Ward said, I
• 1:13:59
  think people have got wrong impression. Ward added that she
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  had no idea the heiress, pedophile, human trafficker, child abuser,
• 1:14:08
  procured children for Epstein. Nah, you had no idea. Nobody
• 1:14:12
  knew anything. She's a journalist. It's her job to know.
• 1:14:15
  But she had no idea. Sure, I think we should
• 1:14:18
  just believe everything, Vicky Ward tells us. Ward told Schattner
• 1:14:23
  that her draft was quite different from the finished feature
• 1:14:26
  posted on Vanity Fair's website. This piece got sent to
• 1:14:29
  Graydon and somebody altered it dramatically, Ward claimed, really, really dramatically.
• 1:14:35
  As proof Word forwarded Shatner her emails with Vanity Fair editors,
• 1:14:40
  and her supposed first draft. According to Chattner, the draft
• 1:14:43
  was extremely similar to the published piece, and specifically said
• 1:14:47
  that she would she was unsure of whom to believe.
• 1:14:50
  The sentence about sexual peccadillos was in that copy too.
• 1:14:55
  Now again she's being called out here, she's being outed
• 1:14:59
  aired at, and she's still not willing to take responsibility.
• 1:15:04
  So I leave it up to you folks as usual
• 1:15:06
  to decide if her content's worth you even bothering with,
• 1:15:12
  Chotner says. Ward claims she included precise allegations from the
• 1:15:15
  Farmers in her twenty eleven write up, but someone at
• 1:15:18
  Vanity Fair removed them, But a copy of the draft
• 1:15:21
  Chotner writes revealed that Annie's accusations about Maxwell's unwonted massage
• 1:15:25
  and Epstein climbing into her bed had never been included.
• 1:15:30
  Asked why Annie's claims about Maxwell were left out, Ward
• 1:15:32
  told Schottner, I wish I could remember. She added that
• 1:15:36
  she was deliberately covering for Carter, who denies Ward's claims.
• 1:15:40
  Who denied Ward's claims, So you were covering for Carter,
• 1:15:43
  proving that you're willing to lie, proving that you're willing
• 1:15:46
  to not have a backbone. So again, blow the whole
• 1:15:49
  entire thing up. They both get their share of the blame.
• 1:15:52
  Vicky Ward as the author, Vicky Ward as the person
• 1:15:54
  who's supposed to have the confidence of these girls, completely
• 1:15:57
  blew the confidence out of the water, and now here
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  we are. Twenty eleven was a year I made a
• 1:16:06
  lot of bad decisions, Ward said, mentioning that she was
• 1:16:08
  going through a divorce. I was not mentally well. Oh please,
• 1:16:12
  none of us are mentally well. Okay, try waking up
• 1:16:14
  every single morning and not knowing where your next meal's
• 1:16:18
  coming from or if your bills are going to be
• 1:16:20
  paid that month. Chotner pressed Ward on why she wrote
• 1:16:25
  the twenty eleven essay in light of her claims that
• 1:16:27
  Epstein threatened her before the first prile A profile was published.
• 1:16:31
  She replied, in part, I think the reason I did
• 1:16:34
  it was that the media industry was imploding. And this
• 1:16:37
  may seem bizarre, but by being able to write about
• 1:16:39
  it so flippantly, I think it made me feel good. Actually,
• 1:16:43
  the media was imploding. It's been imploding forever. So you
• 1:16:46
  writing for about Epstein or this story is going to
• 1:16:49
  save the media complex. Imagine having this kind of opinion
• 1:16:53
  of yourself. Ward isn't the only high profile reporter covering
• 1:16:58
  the Epstein case to come under fire. Last week. Victims
• 1:17:01
  Courtney Wilde and Haley Robson filed a defamation suit against
• 1:17:05
  storied Miami Herald journalist Julie K. Brown, saying she mis
• 1:17:10
  excuse me, saying she misrepresented their stories in her twenty
• 1:17:14
  and twenty one book. Well, folks, again, that's why this
• 1:17:18
  podcast exists, so that we can go through these stories
• 1:17:21
  that come out on a daily basis, pick them apart,
• 1:17:24
  find the golden gems, and discard the rest of it.
• 1:17:28
  Because it's not just been Vicky Ward covering for Epstein.
• 1:17:32
  It was the whole entire media complex up until about
• 1:17:34
  twenty nineteen. So for these clowns to act like, you know, oh,
• 1:17:39
  it was just Vicky Ward or just Drayden Carter, that's
• 1:17:41
  a joke. But what Vicky Ward and Graydon Carter did here,
• 1:17:46
  according to Maria and Annie, absolutely out of bounds, and honestly,
• 1:17:52
  it goes a long way with helping Jeffrey Epstein and
• 1:17:55
  Glenn Maxwell continue to do this. So Vicky Ward coming
• 1:18:01
  out here trying to defend herself while she's more than uh,
• 1:18:05
  you know, able to do that, right, she should have
• 1:18:07
  the right to defend herself. Again, it falls flat to me.
• 1:18:11
  There's nothing there in this defense that would make me say, ah,
• 1:18:14
  you know what, maybe I should reevaluate this, especially considering
• 1:18:17
  I've I've I've spoken with Maria personally, so I don't
• 1:18:22
  buy any of it. I've never bought Vicky Ward's story
• 1:18:25
  and I've never really thought of her as a reliable
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  narrator as usual, though I'll leave that up to you
• 1:18:32
  folks to decide that's gonna do it for this morning's update.
• 1:18:36
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  the evening update, and until then, some context episodes come
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• 1:19:01
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