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Hour 2: SEC Media Days are HERE! + Tom Luginbill joins the show. · Out of Bounds with Bo Bounds

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Speaker 1: favorite wine in the world. We've got Lane Kiffin's sec
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Speaker 1: Media Days and I had no idea that Lane was
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Speaker 1: before or Levy's after Lane is a better way to
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Speaker 1: put it. But I think Jackson told me on Thursday,
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Speaker 1: it goes Lane and then Levy and then Sark, so
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Speaker 1: two of the biggest names in college football, and Levy
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Speaker 1: will be kind of sandwiched in between. According to Jackson,
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Speaker 1: it's ketchup stained Levy, which our listener's got to kick
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Speaker 1: out of. And so this will be Levy's third Wow, yeah,
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Speaker 1: third sec media days. I went to his first, right, yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We went to Dallas and did two shows right from
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Speaker 1: the bat war Stick. Yes, yes, yes, yes, Worstick That's
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Speaker 1: what it was. God bless that girl who works at
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Speaker 1: Worlds Lady who who works at Warstick. They don't get it.
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Speaker 1: They don't open that early. Okay, they're in the retail,
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Speaker 1: you know they I think they opened it like ten.
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Speaker 1: And you know, as much as we're you and I
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Speaker 1: are high fiving when you get here on time. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was. It kind of hit her like a ton
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Speaker 1: of bricks to me. I did two shows. I may
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Speaker 1: have been I think I just did two, not three.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, the second day, the first day she got
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Speaker 1: there but it was rough, and the second day I
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Speaker 1: think she was maybe a little later got there right when,
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Speaker 1: but it was cool. I got to do the show
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Speaker 1: in Dallas two years ago from the Batting Cage. So
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Speaker 1: the way Warstick is laid out the first floor is
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Speaker 1: you know, you walk in and it's a merch shop,
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Speaker 1: but they've got all their bats and paddle boards and
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Speaker 1: pickleball stuff displayed, and they had some cool merch but
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Speaker 1: and then they then you walk through this room and
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Speaker 1: it's kind of a bar area that leads into the
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Speaker 1: batting cage in Dallas for Warstick, which is like a
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Speaker 1: a not your typical batting I mean, there's nice ones
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Speaker 1: here too, but this is like really souped up, just
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Speaker 1: kind of the way it's laid out. Then you go
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Speaker 1: down the stairs and it's a speakeasy because is it
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Speaker 1: Jack White, the musician guitarist that's that's partnered with the
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Speaker 1: Mississippi State alum who owns Warstick, Ben Whatever's name is.
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Speaker 1: So that it's a it's a cool layout the way
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Speaker 1: it all. And it's right in the middle of downtown Dallas.
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Speaker 1: I mean it's right by the famous Terry Blacks or whatever.
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Speaker 3: I mean.
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Speaker 1: I say it's right by I think it's pretty close.
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't necessarily know my I know how
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Speaker 1: to get in an uber and get somewhere in Dallas, Arlington,
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Speaker 1: fort Worth. But that was fun. We did that. That
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Speaker 1: But that that was a good time. That was Levy's
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Speaker 1: first media days. Right should have known then, and Kiffen
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Speaker 1: was rolling, but he was about to roll more than
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Speaker 1: we even thought. He kind of go back to two
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Speaker 1: years ago Dallas, Texas. We were welcoming Oklahoma and Texas
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Speaker 1: into the league. That's why they dropped it there. It
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Speaker 1: was a big deal. They did all that that stuff
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Speaker 1: there in whatever hotel we were in Okay, and it
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Speaker 1: was a pretty hotel. I didn't stay there, I stayed
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Speaker 1: near it, but it was a pretty cool space. I mean,
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Speaker 1: one hundred million times better than the Winfrey in Birmingham,
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Speaker 1: not that there was anything wrong with that. Starting twenty
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Speaker 1: years ago, guys, I gotta tell you all this. We
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Speaker 1: are the Out of Bounds Show. I'm your host, Bo Bounds,
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Speaker 1: Tom Lougan Bill at eight thirty, that's Jackson Meadows. Dave
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Speaker 1: bar two will join us tomorrow and Wednesday live on
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Speaker 1: the show. He's flying in right now. When we started
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Speaker 1: SEC Media days, and I don't remember the first year
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Speaker 1: I went, it was either four or five over in Winfrey.
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Speaker 1: We were plugging our remote equipment into facts outlets. That's
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Speaker 1: how people did the thing on on radio road. And
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Speaker 1: it was this was before Finebaum had his own setup,
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Speaker 1: so he was set up right beside us, so he
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Speaker 1: was just set up just like everybody else. You just
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Speaker 1: had your basically a card table or two, and guys
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Speaker 1: would come up and down this long corridor at the Winfrey,
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Speaker 1: including as I've mentioned many of times, Tommy Tuberville would
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Speaker 1: do every and Spurrier when he was at South Carolina.
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Speaker 1: Tuberville would do whatever radio. You know, it doesn't surprise
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Speaker 1: any of you that he's a US center or me,
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Speaker 1: but he was gracious, he enjoyed it. He visited with you.
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Speaker 1: Spurrier was too. There wasn't a lot of there wasn't
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Speaker 1: as much star power. Urban would eventually land at Florida,
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Speaker 1: but it was right before t Bow, in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: took the league to another level, which actually coincided with
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Speaker 1: another TV deal and so on. I mean, we were
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Speaker 1: already on CBS, as y'all know, but just more and
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Speaker 1: more access and thinks you could just kind of feel
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Speaker 1: the build in five six and Saban was there but left,
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Speaker 1: as y'all know for on his hiatus to Miami. So
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Speaker 1: I guess my first year he was there at LSU,
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Speaker 1: so I don't know if that was four or five
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Speaker 1: somewhere in there. Then he leaves for a couple of years,
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Speaker 1: then he comes back. I do remember the year that
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Speaker 1: his first year back, and that was in You would
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Speaker 1: have thought the Beatles were coming to the Winfrey Hotel
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Speaker 1: in Birmingham, Alabama, just like it was the electricity that
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Speaker 1: with Tebow. Not every conference, this conference gets rebooted with stars,
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Speaker 1: and it got rebooted kind of at the same time.
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Speaker 1: Tibo had already started playing for Florida. But with Saban
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Speaker 1: coming back and Tebow, you got all the lighter fluid
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Speaker 1: that you needed to take the conference to another level.
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Speaker 1: And Saban had already put his model in at LSU
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Speaker 1: and we all talked about it at lunch and happy
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Speaker 1: hour and by the grill in our neighborhoods Da Da
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Speaker 1: da da da Modern day weight strength and conditioning, modern
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Speaker 1: day recruiting. Da da da da da. But that's what
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Speaker 1: I remember from my first couple of media days. That's
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Speaker 1: where I met a bunch of people in the business
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Speaker 1: and it was fun. It burned off quick, but it
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Speaker 1: was fun. There was no SEC network. There was really
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Speaker 1: no Twitter for a while for those first few years.
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Speaker 1: So it's this morning and all week. You're gonna have
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Speaker 1: people that just sit there all week who are still
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Speaker 1: kind of dot com writers. They're just gonna to tweet
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Speaker 1: out everything that the guys say. That was even before that,
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Speaker 1: in four, five, six oh seven, you had to pay
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Speaker 1: attention to what they said. That you actually had to
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Speaker 1: pay attention, and people were still reading newspapers a little bit,
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Speaker 1: especially over fifty to fifty five crowd at that point
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Speaker 1: twenty years ago. I remember being right there on the
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Speaker 1: elevator with Manziel and someone when Manzell was coming off
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Speaker 1: the whole scandal, and that was just timing. I was
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Speaker 1: coming out of my hotel room in the Winfrey. That's
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Speaker 1: when I figured out you could just move your show
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Speaker 1: to the hotel room instead of having to do it
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Speaker 1: on radio road. I got to tell you a booger
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Speaker 1: McFarland's story at how I met him twenty years ago,
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Speaker 1: Tom Lougan Bill at eight thirty And that's where I
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Speaker 1: met Lougan Bill too, at the cool steakhouse across from
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Speaker 1: the Windfree but I can't remember the name of it.
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Speaker 4: Back in a second, I was just doing a little exercise,
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Speaker 4: just wasting time as I normally do, thinking weird stuff.
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Speaker 1: Good morning to you. What's up? What's up? Out of bounds?
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Speaker 1: One oh five nine The Zone, ESPN. Did anybody get
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Speaker 1: into the golf Twitter war over the weekend? Uh Rory
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Speaker 1: Michael Roy against uh Byron d Chambeau. Did that move
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Speaker 1: the needle for you at all? I can tell you
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Speaker 1: want to talk, Okay, I didn't. Jackson's like, move on,
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Speaker 1: We'll go into football. This is ESPN one oh five nine,
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Speaker 1: The Zone, Lane Kiff and the SEC media Days uh
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Speaker 1: starts this morning. We're going to find out if will
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Speaker 1: Stein is a real person. And according to the press release,
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Speaker 1: he's the new head football coach for the University of Kentucky.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I give that. I'm giving him a
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Speaker 1: hard time, but it's the best road trip in the SEC.
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Speaker 1: It is bourbon and horses along with the fall weekend.
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Speaker 1: I've said it for the last however long thirteen fourteen
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Speaker 1: years ago. You know we've been up there a few
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Speaker 1: times and well several times. It's great. There's nothing like
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Speaker 1: being there. And you know I say it all the time.
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Speaker 1: If Keenland is open in October April, I think there's
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Speaker 1: another weekend or two, say bleed somewhere before or after.
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Speaker 1: But if you're up there and Keenland is open, like
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Speaker 1: your wife would love it too. I mean, Keenland's Kentucky
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Speaker 1: is a well, it could be the best culinary town
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Speaker 1: in the SEC. But actually it's got to give. It's
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Speaker 1: got to be tied for number one. But if Keenland
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Speaker 1: is open in the fall, when you go and you're
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Speaker 1: gonna do a little bourbon tour, hit a distillery, it's amazing.
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Speaker 1: The food in Lexington's great. And if you catch a
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Speaker 1: basketball scrimmage. I actually went to one. I know y'all
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Speaker 1: can't believe it. I didn't stay the whole time, but
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Speaker 1: they thought we needed to go on that Friday night,
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Speaker 1: so we did. They actually charged and it was packed.
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Speaker 1: I think it was twenty bucks. I think so twenty
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Speaker 1: dollars for a blue and white scrimmage in October or
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Speaker 1: something that's Kentucky basketball. But anyway, it's worth spending the night.
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Speaker 1: It's or two or three. It's a fun time, absolutely
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Speaker 1: beautiful part of the country. The people are nice and
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Speaker 1: it's my favorite. Yeah. I mean, bourbon and horses. You
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Speaker 1: can't beat it. I did not realize Keenland was as
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Speaker 1: cool as it was until the Bourbon guys took me.
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Speaker 1: They actually tailgate on Friday, uh when when they're the
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Speaker 1: when the horses are racing, and they do it up.
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Speaker 1: I mean there's attractive people and they're having they they've
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Speaker 1: got a cool spread outside the little Keenland Stadium. It's
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Speaker 1: gorgeous too. Driving in, it's absolutely beautiful and it's super
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Speaker 1: inexpensive to go. A regular ticket at Keenland was ten
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Speaker 1: bucks and to get the premium was twenty. I'd go
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Speaker 1: ahead and get the premium. And I've told you this
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Speaker 1: they had they have you know, they have bourbon bars
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Speaker 1: and and and bourbon uh uh bread pudding bars.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Because Greg Byrne texted me the first time I ever
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Speaker 1: when I was going back and forth with him because
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Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier that Mitch Barnhardt made his last big
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Speaker 1: hire and we believed will Stein as they had coach
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Speaker 1: of Kentucky, will Greg Burn, Scott Strickland and John Cohen
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Speaker 1: as y'all know, all worked under Mitch Barnhart and they're
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Speaker 1: all thicke as thieves, and so until Mitch stepped down,
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Speaker 1: I guess this summer all four of them were sec
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Speaker 1: ads at the same time, Kentucky, Bama, Auburn and Florida.
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Speaker 1: But my point in all that was Burn was like,
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Speaker 1: you've got to get the bread pudding when you go
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Speaker 1: to Keenland. So if you get to go, it's fun.
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Speaker 1: I didn't ride horse racing was like that fun. It's
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Speaker 1: super fun. And I've said this before too. It's manicured
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Speaker 1: like Augusta National, like Churchill Downs is in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the city. It's all concrete. Keenland is gorgeous, the
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Speaker 1: grounds and everything. There's not a It's like when you
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Speaker 1: go to August there's not a blade of grass out
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Speaker 1: of place. It's perfect, and you can go all the
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Speaker 1: way down to the horses. You can go up in
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Speaker 1: the club level. It's cool and if you know anybody,
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Speaker 1: if you're connected it all up there, then you'll end
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Speaker 1: up in a box or club or whatever. They've got
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Speaker 1: up there, so it's pretty cool. That's that's my take
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Speaker 1: on your next road trip in the Bourbon and Horse Country,
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Speaker 1: brought to you by the Kentucky Bobcats. And you got
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Speaker 1: to go to Tony's or Frankendino's or Italics or Jeff
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Speaker 1: Ruby's are all four. I've been to all of them.
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Speaker 1: They are fabulous. There's many other good restaurants here too.
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Speaker 1: All right, Tom Lougan Bill coming up next? What do
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Speaker 1: you think about that? Rant? I liked it, okay, because
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Speaker 1: I love when people share. Somebody earlier shared that they've
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Speaker 1: recently had the onion rings from Burger's Blues Barbecue, Dogwood Flowood.
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Speaker 1: I want people to tell us when they've been somewhere
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Speaker 1: cool and what they've had to eat or dine on.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead, I got a little My eye got caught
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Speaker 2: by Mangum. What happened Lord?
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Speaker 1: Yesterday?
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Speaker 2: He decided he was going to throw a guy out
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Speaker 2: from deep Okay, Well, you know little blooper over the
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Speaker 2: third base head. So he's he's making room. Now he's
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Speaker 2: over and left, he's speeding. He's flying down there to
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Speaker 2: get this ball to line. I love it like they
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Speaker 2: had a little shift on and he guns it the
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Speaker 2: second and boom. He's called safe.
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Speaker 3: Jake wasn't happy.
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Speaker 2: Oh so he comes over there and he's hooting and
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Speaker 2: Holland to go to the booth.
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Speaker 1: Did he win it? They won the overturn? He won
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Speaker 1: gotten that dude down there hot. I missed that over
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Speaker 1: the weekend. I was not as dilled in other than
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Speaker 1: I want some of the Open Championship. And I did
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Speaker 1: watch Rory Uh make a blank of himself and then
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Speaker 1: the whole d Chambeau crazy. It was kind of SEC
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Speaker 1: football like that, you know, because we there are teams
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Speaker 1: and coaches and that get mixed up between each other
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Speaker 1: at times, as we all know, like Ole Miss and Kevin,
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Speaker 1: which I think is probably gonna get heated up again
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Speaker 1: this week. When did you tell me, dear camp, Pete
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Speaker 1: is rolling on the stage, will be there on Tuesday Thursday.
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Speaker 2: Nope, Wensdy, He's a sandwich between some roll and elcod
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Speaker 2: boor some raw golden Gilko.
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Speaker 1: That's a pretty that's a pretty damn good group. That's
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Speaker 1: a good day. Yeah, I mean de Boor is a
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Speaker 1: good coach. But shout out to the schedulers right here.
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Speaker 1: Some are as a good coach. We don't know about
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Speaker 1: Pete and Elco's done a good job. Oh yeah, you know.
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Speaker 1: A and M is A and M playoff team. They
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Speaker 1: did go. They got beat at home by Miami. But
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Speaker 1: it's a tough That was a tough road game.
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Speaker 3: Wasn't that.
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Speaker 1: Wasn't that at A and M. That wasn't at Miami,
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Speaker 1: was it? I'm pretty sure A and M they lose
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Speaker 1: at home. I'm pretty sure A and M lost at
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Speaker 1: home like Oklahoma. But would you double check that? Okay,
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Speaker 1: okay out, Yeah it's still at home.
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Speaker 3: You shouldn't mean.
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Speaker 1: I can't remember if their OC had already left or
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Speaker 1: if he stayed over for the college football playoff. Colin
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Speaker 1: Klein or some name, the former quarterback at Kansas State
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Speaker 1: was there, but then he left A and M to
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Speaker 1: go connect those dots. He is currently the head coach
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Speaker 1: at Kansas because he was a good little quarterback. He's
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Speaker 1: real good quarterback. I forgot about the guy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, he's young, he's thirty six, but he's
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Speaker 2: he definitely played on the Snyder Okay, all right, I
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Speaker 2: had to.
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Speaker 1: I had to connect those dots. On another note, speaking
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Speaker 1: of famous people, we're talking about SEC coaches, some famous
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Speaker 1: some night. Mick Jagger says, fame this is disassociates a
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Speaker 1: person from ordinary, ordinary light. I can't believe that I
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Speaker 1: had no idea revolutionary. Thank you, Mick, appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Budd.
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Speaker 1: We are the Out of Bound Show, Tom lougan Bill,
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Speaker 1: National college football analysts with the ESPN. Coming up next
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Speaker 1: on the Farm Bureau Insurance guest Line. Why is there air.
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Speaker 5: Here?
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Speaker 1: We go? Good morning, Welcome into the Ata Bounds Show,
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Speaker 1: ESPN one oh five nine to zone. We welcome in
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Speaker 1: our friend, Tom lougan Bill, National college football analysts with ESPN.
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Speaker 1: He was at SEC Media Days last week. We get
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Speaker 1: I said, acc ACC Media Days last week, SEC Media
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Speaker 1: Days This week. Lukes joins us on the Farm Bureau
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Speaker 1: GMC Pearl, Brandon, Tom Lougan, Bill, good morning, how are you?
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Speaker 3: Good morning to you. But I'm doing good. How are you?
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Speaker 1: We're good, Bud, Thanks for hanging out with us. So
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Speaker 1: let's start with the most pressure to deliver in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six. You'll love this. This is great summertime topic.
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Speaker 1: Most pressure to deliver in twenty twenty six. Kiffin Smart
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Speaker 1: or Sart Luke's.
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Speaker 3: Oh, Kiffin, without question.
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Speaker 5: I mean they they've almost set themselves up for a
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Speaker 5: nowhere to go but down scenario. When you consider the
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Speaker 5: pressure and the expectations, the resources that have been allotted,
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Speaker 5: the money that has already been spent, the ballet hood,
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Speaker 5: recruiting class, transfer portal class, all of it. I mean,
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Speaker 5: this isn't This isn't like taking the old miss job
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Speaker 5: and that you get to a nine win season and
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Speaker 5: they are going to build a statue of you outside
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Speaker 5: of the stadium. This is a college football playoff top
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Speaker 5: four or five seed. We expect it right now type
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Speaker 5: of expectation and are unfair they've created this, and that's
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Speaker 5: fine because that's the nature of the business. You know,
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Speaker 5: Stark's gonna have a great football team. I think Kirby's
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Speaker 5: gonna have a great football team. But right now, this
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Speaker 5: is about Lane establishing LSU as a national title contender
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Speaker 5: right out of the gate and a tough September schedule
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Speaker 5: for Lane with Clemson and Ole miss and A and
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Speaker 5: m So. Tom Lougan Bill on the at of bound
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Speaker 5: show which roster would you take today? Texas, Georgia, LSU, Lukes.
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Speaker 3: Uh Texas and Georgia over LSU's roster. The reason why
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Speaker 3: I say that is.
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Speaker 5: There are more returning, verifiable, proven players on Texas and
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Speaker 5: Georgia in relationship to guys that have played and been
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Speaker 5: within the program. Right So when you look at Georgia
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Speaker 5: and Notre Dames. Actually in this conversation too, you look
22:59
Speaker 5: at Georgia and you look at Texas and you say, okay,
23:02
Speaker 5: we're the established foundation.
23:04
Speaker 3: It's clearly on the high school side.
23:06
Speaker 5: Have they for the most part, you're not going to
23:08
Speaker 5: be able to do it with everybody, but have they
23:09
Speaker 5: developed and retained at the high school level, Yes, and
23:13
Speaker 5: then they supplement and they sprinkle in transfer portal additions.
23:17
Speaker 5: More than likely, upperclassman guys are going to bring experience,
23:20
Speaker 5: they're going to bring age, they're going to bring maturity,
23:23
Speaker 5: and right now, from an established standpoint, I think you'd
23:27
Speaker 5: have to take Texas or Georgia.
23:28
Speaker 1: Okay, But having said all that, LSU's you know, they're
23:34
Speaker 1: not far off.
23:36
Speaker 5: No, And I think LSU has got a high ceiling. Okay, Okay,
23:40
Speaker 5: But and I've said this to you multiple times on
23:44
Speaker 5: your program, if Sam Levitt doesn't perform, and more importantly,
23:49
Speaker 5: doesn't stay healthy, then they're likely going to be, you know,
23:53
Speaker 5: jumping too a youngster if that were to happen, and
23:56
Speaker 5: it's happened a lot with him, right the previous two
23:59
Speaker 5: years at Arizona State. A lot of the hype let's
24:01
Speaker 5: not forget a lot of the hype on him was
24:04
Speaker 5: based off of that twenty twenty four season, right, and
24:08
Speaker 5: not much other of a sample size to warrant that hype.
24:12
Speaker 3: So he's gonna have to come through big for them.
24:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, So eight and four, eight and four will just
24:20
Speaker 1: be a big time disappointment. And you can't get in
24:25
Speaker 1: at nine and three. I don't with the twelve until
24:27
Speaker 1: we go to sixteen, twenty or twenty four Lukes, which
24:30
Speaker 1: is happening, but we just don't know which number. I
24:34
Speaker 1: think a bunch of SEC teams and Big ten teams
24:37
Speaker 1: will go at nine and three eventually. But this is
24:41
Speaker 1: going to be a year where Sankie thought we would
24:44
Speaker 1: have expanded by now. They couldn't get on the same page,
24:47
Speaker 1: as you know, But they went ahead and added the
24:49
Speaker 1: ninth conference game, So we could have a big cluster
24:53
Speaker 1: of nine and three teams that are on the outside
24:56
Speaker 1: looking in, even though that could be a good year
24:59
Speaker 1: in that of.
25:00
Speaker 5: Course, but you could have that out of conference. You
25:03
Speaker 5: could have that out of the out of the acc too.
25:05
Speaker 5: What I mean, what if Miami's right there in it again? Uh,
25:09
Speaker 5: Clemson's in a position right now or for the first
25:11
Speaker 5: time in what fifteen years? Nobody's talking about them. Yeah,
25:15
Speaker 5: like they're lying in the weeds.
25:19
Speaker 3: To me.
25:20
Speaker 5: You got Louisville, You've got SMU sitting there. There could
25:22
Speaker 5: be a bunch of teams sitting there at ten and two,
25:23
Speaker 5: nine and three out of all of the conferences, right
25:26
Speaker 5: and and and then what do you do?
25:28
Speaker 3: What?
25:29
Speaker 5: What you got to make sure we don't do is
25:31
Speaker 5: go down last year's path, and the ACC created that.
25:34
Speaker 5: But to leave teams like BYU Texas, even Vanderbilt, Notre
25:39
Speaker 5: Dame and Notre Dame at home in favor of James
25:43
Speaker 5: Madison in Tulane is absolutely laughable because that's the difference.
25:48
Speaker 5: And I think I said this to you too, Boa.
25:50
Speaker 5: Nobody wants to talk about Cinderella's and you know those
25:53
Speaker 5: long shots and you want to root from and this
25:55
Speaker 5: and that. Well, the difference between the basketball tournament and
26:00
Speaker 5: the football college football Playoff is basketball doesn't leave the
26:05
Speaker 5: blue blood established program sitting at home to left the
26:08
Speaker 5: Cinderella in right, right, We just left those guys at home,
26:13
Speaker 5: and they want to call it the twelve best teams
26:15
Speaker 5: in college football.
26:16
Speaker 3: Give me a brink.
26:17
Speaker 1: Come on, that's a good point on Notre Dame in
26:21
Speaker 1: Texas and to a certain extent, Bandy going ten and
26:23
Speaker 1: two sure and getting sure and getting left out. Tom
26:27
Speaker 1: Logan Bill on the out of Bounds show driven by
26:29
Speaker 1: your next GMC Sierra Truck at Fowler GMC, you mentioned
26:34
Speaker 1: Notre Dame and you're heavily you know you started it
26:40
Speaker 1: quarterback at Georgia Tech. You covered the ACC forever now
26:43
Speaker 1: you're heavily involved in the ACC. They're tied in with
26:48
Speaker 1: their four or five games a year. But have you
26:51
Speaker 1: ever in modern era Luke's looked at a schedule that
26:54
Speaker 1: lines up this way considered considering what Marcus Freeman and
27:00
Speaker 1: Notre Dame or bringing back.
27:02
Speaker 3: No.
27:03
Speaker 5: I mean, it's you know what it is. It's the
27:05
Speaker 5: perfect recipe for a national title run. It's also the
27:08
Speaker 5: perfect recipe for disaster.
27:10
Speaker 3: Yeah. Right, it's a double edged sword.
27:13
Speaker 5: And you know when you look, go look at Notre
27:16
Speaker 5: Dame and the job that they've done in terms of
27:18
Speaker 5: development and retention. They've got a potential top five pick
27:22
Speaker 5: at quarterback. They've got two young, outstanding offensive tackles on
27:26
Speaker 5: both sides. The biggest thing for me about Notre Dame
27:28
Speaker 5: is they're gonna have to come up with a way
27:29
Speaker 5: of generating pass rush. You know, that was something that
27:32
Speaker 5: was lacking a year ago. I think they've got to
27:34
Speaker 5: increase the output there, create more negative plays in the backfield,
27:38
Speaker 5: get people in second and third and long on a
27:40
Speaker 5: more consistent basis. But everything else is there, man. I mean,
27:44
Speaker 5: they are established, and they've got the schedule where outside
27:48
Speaker 5: of probably the Miami Contest, it's not even close in
27:53
Speaker 5: terms of roster profile comparison with Notre Dame and whoever
27:56
Speaker 5: else they're playing.
27:58
Speaker 1: And I think that game in South Bend, it is yeah, beautiful, incredible,
28:07
Speaker 1: And so I mean, we we all have them in
28:10
Speaker 1: the They could, they could screw it up, but we
28:12
Speaker 1: all have them in the College Football Playoff. With their scheduling, talent.
28:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, if they're in the top twelve, it doesn't matter
28:17
Speaker 5: what they do. They're in right right And if that
28:20
Speaker 5: roster and that team with that schedule isn't in the
28:23
Speaker 5: top twelve, then they've had a twenty five Clemson collapse.
28:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, right out of bounds ESPN one oh five nine
28:33
Speaker 1: to the zone you mentioned Texas, I'm not sure. I
28:37
Speaker 1: know they have the talent. We all know that, But
28:40
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm buying so Kaikowski to me
28:44
Speaker 1: like premiere, big time defensive coordinator. Musch Champs like good,
28:48
Speaker 1: but he's in the B level. I think Kaikowski's in
28:51
Speaker 1: the A level.
28:52
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't. I don't know if I agree with that.
28:54
Speaker 5: I think there's been there's I think there's been plenty
28:56
Speaker 5: of proof that Will musch Champ is a core nator
29:00
Speaker 5: is at the elite level. Now, we all know you
29:04
Speaker 5: got to have players, right, You got to have really
29:06
Speaker 5: really good players, and really really good players make you
29:09
Speaker 5: a really really good coach.
29:11
Speaker 3: Sure, and Texas is going to have that.
29:14
Speaker 5: You know it'll be. Now, it might look a little different.
29:16
Speaker 5: They might be a little bit different schematically and things
29:19
Speaker 5: of that nature. But understand too that it's all coming
29:23
Speaker 5: off of the of the same tree and start coached
29:26
Speaker 5: under that tree. Like he knows exactly what they are
29:29
Speaker 5: getting scheme wise on defense, he knows exactly how it's
29:31
Speaker 5: going to be implemented. He knows what the challenges are
29:34
Speaker 5: playing against that defense. So whether it's Mush Champ, Pete Golding,
29:40
Speaker 5: Kirby Smart, whoever it is, you know that you want
29:43
Speaker 5: to look at and say, Okay, you know we know
29:46
Speaker 5: the sab And tree, we know what the scheme is.
29:48
Speaker 3: It's tried and true.
29:50
Speaker 5: You add great players to it, they're going to be
29:51
Speaker 5: a formidable group.
29:53
Speaker 1: Tom Loganville, national college football analyst with the ESPN on
29:57
Speaker 1: the add of bounds ship, I want to go old
30:00
Speaker 1: miss Kiffin is has established himself. Is it fair to
30:03
Speaker 1: say Kiffin's established himself the last six years as a
30:06
Speaker 1: top ten play caller.
30:08
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely agree.
30:10
Speaker 5: I would actually go back to even he is a
30:14
Speaker 5: younger coach, gnashing his teeth and being able to develop
30:19
Speaker 5: as a play caller and a you know, an overseer
30:22
Speaker 5: of the offense, going back to him working under Norm
30:25
Speaker 5: chowd sc in some of those sc offenses and then
30:28
Speaker 5: obviously it became his turn and eventually it became Sark's turn.
30:33
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think where he's done a really good
30:36
Speaker 5: job is he's evolved with the game right. He's added wrinkles,
30:41
Speaker 5: he's eliminated things, he's tweaked, he's became you know, they
30:45
Speaker 5: they weren't a tempo team at USC. They weren't let's
30:48
Speaker 5: go as fast as we can team at USC. He's
30:50
Speaker 5: found some positives in that, so he's implemented it. I
30:53
Speaker 5: think the evolution of him not just as a play caller,
30:57
Speaker 5: but to enhance the play call by enhancing the approach.
31:01
Speaker 3: And he's done.
31:03
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, Trinidad Chambliss and Keewan Lacy have a new
31:10
Speaker 1: play caller who has two years of offensive coordinator experience
31:14
Speaker 1: under his bell in East Carolina and John David Baker
31:18
Speaker 1: and John David Baker said Yeah, it's gonna be a
31:21
Speaker 1: lot of the same, but some different and different terminology.
31:24
Speaker 1: So you started at quarterback at Georgia Tech. What I know,
31:28
Speaker 1: Trinidad and Lacy are going to know the offense and
31:30
Speaker 1: so on, But what does that entail walk us through?
31:35
Speaker 1: There will be some tweaks and different terminology for this
31:39
Speaker 1: ole Miss offense.
31:40
Speaker 3: Yeah.
31:41
Speaker 5: I think what you got to do is if you
31:42
Speaker 5: sat there and you put it on paper, right, and
31:44
Speaker 5: you drew out the concepts and this and that, all right,
31:47
Speaker 5: It just may mean that instead of calling it a slants,
31:50
Speaker 5: we call it a glance, all right. Instead of a slant,
31:53
Speaker 5: we called a glance, all right. And instead of a dig,
31:57
Speaker 5: we called it over you know, whatever it may be.
32:00
Speaker 5: Instead of a comeback, we called a cob. But you're
32:03
Speaker 5: just talking about interchangeable words. But if you visualize it
32:06
Speaker 5: and looked at it, and let's just say you took
32:09
Speaker 5: a play because John David Baker's offenses essentially, I mean
32:12
Speaker 5: it's rooted in old Missus principles. He's coached there before.
32:16
Speaker 5: And you drew it and you said, okay, what does
32:19
Speaker 5: this play to you? To a player that played at
32:22
Speaker 5: ole Miss a year ago? And they look at it,
32:23
Speaker 5: they know exactly what it is. Well, so the play
32:26
Speaker 5: is not changing, just what you're calling it maybe shifting
32:29
Speaker 5: a little bit. Now, that's where your off season comes in, right,
32:33
Speaker 5: That's where you work in January, February, March, and you
32:37
Speaker 5: head into spring football. And if you can't come out
32:40
Speaker 5: of spring football adjusting to terminology, you're not a very
32:44
Speaker 5: smart football player. And dumb players lose games. So there's
32:48
Speaker 5: going to be very there's going to be very little
32:50
Speaker 5: tolerance to not be able to know what the foundation
32:54
Speaker 5: of the offense is when you see it, but not
32:56
Speaker 5: be able to adjust because you change a couple of
32:58
Speaker 5: things here and there. You tag something or you call
33:00
Speaker 5: protection something instead of a protection being a name, that's
33:03
Speaker 5: now a number. Okay, well we got to be able
33:05
Speaker 5: to adjust to that. The good part about all of
33:07
Speaker 5: this is by eliminating the second transfer portal period from
33:12
Speaker 5: the time that player has arrived either through high school
33:14
Speaker 5: recruiting in December or the transfer portal you know, in
33:18
Speaker 5: January one, spring football ended. They're not going anywhere. They're there,
33:23
Speaker 5: so you're not having it. Let's just say take a
33:25
Speaker 5: second group of transfer portal guys that previously would have
33:29
Speaker 5: come in after spring football and now integrate them heading
33:33
Speaker 5: into fall camp, that's already been done.
33:36
Speaker 3: So by the time anybody, whether it's terminology.
33:38
Speaker 5: Even if you even if you flip the scheme, even
33:40
Speaker 5: if you brought in an offer as the coordinator that
33:42
Speaker 5: was gonna, you know, run a different style of offense,
33:46
Speaker 5: there's there's gonna be very little tolerance and very little
33:49
Speaker 5: excuses for, especially at the quarterback position, but everybody else
33:53
Speaker 5: as well, to not be dialed in on what you're
33:56
Speaker 5: gonna do.
33:57
Speaker 1: It looks like John David Paker throws the ball all
34:01
Speaker 1: a good bit more than Kiffin. Kiffin's been somehow we
34:04
Speaker 1: painted him Kiffin is a pass happy offense because we
34:07
Speaker 1: see all the explosive plays, guys running wide open. But
34:10
Speaker 1: as you know, Lane loves to run the football. Not
34:14
Speaker 1: that John David Baker won't, but he he skews on
34:17
Speaker 1: the kind of the big twelve, twenty ten, twenty eleven
34:21
Speaker 1: throw it more. From what I gather, Yeah, you.
34:24
Speaker 5: Know, I actually I had East Carolina three times last year,
34:26
Speaker 5: so it became very familiar with them on Thursday night football,
34:30
Speaker 5: and so I think they want to run it more.
34:34
Speaker 5: But here's the thing that's, you know, interesting, we forget
34:36
Speaker 5: about this either folks don't know it or they don't
34:39
Speaker 5: realize it's happening, because it's not it's tough to see
34:41
Speaker 5: if you don't know what you're watching. But oftentimes things
34:44
Speaker 5: that materialize in the passing game were called runs in
34:48
Speaker 5: the huddle, right, And so what's happening is is it's
34:53
Speaker 5: really simple math. And that is when you get into
34:57
Speaker 5: that line of scrimmage play and you've either got two
35:01
Speaker 5: plays called in one or you're gonna have a check
35:03
Speaker 5: out of it based off of what the look is.
35:05
Speaker 5: The quarterbacks count numbers, right, and so we may say, hey,
35:09
Speaker 5: we want to run it here, we want to establish
35:10
Speaker 5: this here, but oh boy, they've got seven in the
35:14
Speaker 5: box and we've only got five or six to block them. Well,
35:16
Speaker 5: that's not smart football, right, So we got to get
35:18
Speaker 5: out of that. And if you're going to load the box,
35:21
Speaker 5: we want to have one on one opportunities and you're
35:23
Speaker 5: gonna throw the football. Conversely, the exact opposite happens as well.
35:26
Speaker 5: You may come into a situation where you've got second
35:30
Speaker 5: and eight and you've got a pass play called and
35:34
Speaker 5: they're in too high and got five people in the box.
35:37
Speaker 3: Well, you're going to check.
35:37
Speaker 5: Her run, right, because now you have the numbers advantage,
35:41
Speaker 5: and you're going to try to get five six yards
35:44
Speaker 5: of that and get yourself in second in short, which
35:46
Speaker 5: is third and short, which is what everybody wants to
35:48
Speaker 5: be in.
35:48
Speaker 3: So it's not necessarily rocket science. It's numbers.
35:53
Speaker 1: And you have a veteran quarterback who proved he was
35:56
Speaker 1: arguably the best decision maker in the country. Yeah, you can, Trinidad.
36:00
Speaker 5: He can get you in and out of those things, right,
36:02
Speaker 5: he knows he knows pre snap. Okay, this is what
36:05
Speaker 5: we ultimately want to be in. We don't want to
36:07
Speaker 5: run this versus this look. We'd ideally love him to
36:10
Speaker 5: be in this look if we're going to attack them
36:12
Speaker 5: with this. Oh wait, that they're not in that look either,
36:14
Speaker 5: Let's go to something else and understand too, Like at
36:18
Speaker 5: the speed and rate that they're going, how fast that
36:20
Speaker 5: stuff has to happen? Right, And because it's not just
36:23
Speaker 5: the pre snap recognition in the diagnosis, once the ball snap,
36:29
Speaker 5: you've got to produce a positive result. And with offenses
36:31
Speaker 5: like that, they're having to make those determinations anywhere between
36:34
Speaker 5: eleven and fourteen seconds.
36:37
Speaker 1: Let's go to Jeff Levy who's on the hot seat
36:43
Speaker 1: and has to win this year, and he has a
36:46
Speaker 1: true sophomore quarterback and I always reference Dak and Eli
36:54
Speaker 1: who back then didn't start until the red shirt sophomore
36:57
Speaker 1: years here and they're both phenomenal okay around forever all that,
37:03
Speaker 1: So his job is right, you know, is on the
37:05
Speaker 1: line with a true sophomore QB who's six foot four,
37:09
Speaker 1: two thirty. You know he can run around, probably not
37:14
Speaker 1: a refined passer, yet you played quarterback at the Power
37:18
Speaker 1: four level knowing that you've got to win X amount
37:21
Speaker 1: of games. What would be your I mean, what would
37:27
Speaker 1: be to your approach this year with a true sophomore
37:29
Speaker 1: that played a little bit last year, knowing that he's
37:32
Speaker 1: going to have to carry you over the finish line,
37:34
Speaker 1: so to speak.
37:35
Speaker 3: Lukes, Well, I think.
37:36
Speaker 5: That's where the off season coaching component comes into play.
37:41
Speaker 5: As you mentioned, you've got a small sample size, there's
37:43
Speaker 5: tape to be to be watched, and then you're you're
37:47
Speaker 5: continuing to develop this player's theory of the game knowledge.
37:51
Speaker 5: It's not necessarily how big he is, how tall he is,
37:53
Speaker 5: it's what can he handle, what can he process, what
37:55
Speaker 5: can he do right? And you're going to test that out.
37:58
Speaker 5: That's the spring football's for you. You're going to put
38:00
Speaker 5: him in situations to see what he does. You're going
38:02
Speaker 5: to maybe try to trick him into a situation to
38:04
Speaker 5: see if he recognizes it and gets out of it
38:08
Speaker 5: or moves into something. You're going to want to really
38:11
Speaker 5: upgrade that player's knowledge of past protections and how to
38:14
Speaker 5: protect himself and get the team into the right call.
38:19
Speaker 5: So I think so much of the development and an
38:21
Speaker 5: off season between a freshman and sophomore year is really
38:25
Speaker 5: advancing that player's knowledge of the game so that they
38:29
Speaker 5: can think fast and they can play comfortable. Now does
38:32
Speaker 5: that mean that you ask them to do something that
38:35
Speaker 5: maybe they're not comfortable with or they don't have confidence in.
38:38
Speaker 5: Absolutely not. But that's what you're trying to find out, right.
38:41
Speaker 5: Because we can talk all we want about scheme and
38:44
Speaker 5: systems and this and that. The great systems are the
38:46
Speaker 5: systems that revolve around a player's strengths and then do
38:50
Speaker 5: everything they can to mask weaknesses.
38:52
Speaker 3: So you're trying to figure out what that is. Right,
38:54
Speaker 3: You're trying to say, okay, you.
38:56
Speaker 5: Know with with somebody like, I don't know anybody.
39:00
Speaker 3: They would have had it.
39:03
Speaker 5: At Oklahoma under Jeff Levy, guys that had Dylan well yeah, yeah, Okay,
39:08
Speaker 5: let's take Dylan Gabriel for example. Okay, they may do
39:11
Speaker 5: things in the offense with Dylan Gabriel that they're not
39:14
Speaker 5: gonna do with Kamaro Taylor, right, And maybe it's not
39:18
Speaker 5: because he's not capable of doing it, but maybe it's
39:20
Speaker 5: because he's not capable of doing it yet. Or you're
39:23
Speaker 5: gonna implement some things that Kamaro Taylor does really, really
39:27
Speaker 5: well that you wouldn't have done with Dylan Gabriel.
39:30
Speaker 3: And whether that's moving the pocket.
39:32
Speaker 5: Changing the launch point, putting in him in a position
39:34
Speaker 5: to always be able to run in case things don't
39:37
Speaker 5: happen and he doesn't get through the progression, but aboording
39:40
Speaker 5: a negative play and doing so. You got to find
39:42
Speaker 5: those things out and then you build the day offense
39:45
Speaker 5: around that, right, because you don't want to stick a
39:47
Speaker 5: square peg in a round hole, you know, like the
39:49
Speaker 5: old days, it used to be, well, you know, we're
39:52
Speaker 5: going to put this guy into the West Coast offense,
39:54
Speaker 5: or this guy's gonna be right in the in the
39:56
Speaker 5: multiple pro style, and this is who we are and
39:58
Speaker 5: this is what we're gonna do, and that player has
40:00
Speaker 5: to adapt.
40:01
Speaker 3: Yes, those days are long gone.
40:03
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, we'll wrap it up with this Tom
40:06
Speaker 1: Lougan Bill on the show ESPN College Football Analysts. Biggest
40:12
Speaker 1: story coming out of the ACC? Can Belichick get it
40:17
Speaker 1: done at North Carolina? Can Dabbo reboot Clemson? Or does
40:22
Speaker 1: Mario make another run? Or is it another You were
40:25
Speaker 1: there all week last week. You've got some big names
40:28
Speaker 1: in the conference. What is it for you? Tom Lougan Bill,
40:32
Speaker 1: I don't.
40:32
Speaker 5: Think it's really I don't think North Carolina's is a
40:34
Speaker 5: big of a storyline unless they come out of nowhere
40:36
Speaker 5: and just completely have a reversal of fortune. You know,
40:40
Speaker 5: last year, if you remember, they were gifted a great
40:43
Speaker 5: schedule and went four and eight with it. They have
40:46
Speaker 5: not been gifted that schedule this time around. Their schedule
40:49
Speaker 5: is much more difficult. They are going to have almost
40:53
Speaker 5: as many new faiths as they had a year ago,
40:55
Speaker 5: yet they're going to be less experienced. I love to
40:57
Speaker 5: hire Bobby Petrino, but can he get out of the
41:00
Speaker 5: quarterback and how much better can they be?
41:03
Speaker 3: They got to be able to run the football.
41:04
Speaker 5: I mean last year North Carolina, when they ran for
41:07
Speaker 5: one hundred and forty five yards or more per game,
41:10
Speaker 5: they were three and oh they only won four games
41:12
Speaker 5: all right. Last year at Arkansas there were only two
41:15
Speaker 5: games where Bobby Petrino's offense didn't rush for one hundred
41:19
Speaker 5: and forty five yards or more. So they're going to
41:21
Speaker 5: try to run the football North Carolina, and they need
41:23
Speaker 5: to because you don't know what the quarterback position is
41:25
Speaker 5: going to be just yet. Miami is to me, they're
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Speaker 5: the most talented team. They have the best blend of
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Speaker 5: high school developed recruits and transfer portal additions. For me,
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Speaker 5: I don't think it's about how good Miami's going to
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Speaker 5: be or how good they're capable of being. To me,
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Speaker 5: it's going to be all about did they spend their
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Speaker 5: offseason in their press clippings? Yeah, and you know the
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Speaker 5: pats on the backs and the atta boys. I mean
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Speaker 5: that stuff starts sinking in and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 5: you know, you get caught up in it and you
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Speaker 5: lose your focus and you're not you know, when you
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Speaker 5: bring the new guys that weren't a part of that
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Speaker 5: run last year, they didn't have anything to do with that.
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Speaker 5: Now you've got to establish that run on your own
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Speaker 5: with a new team and a new locker room and
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Speaker 5: new leadership. And I think that's something you know, to
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Speaker 5: keep an eye on. With Miami, I think Clemson is
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Speaker 5: going to be very interesting to watch because, like I said,
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Speaker 5: you know, when was the last time we were going
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Speaker 5: into a preseason where all the talk was it Clemson?
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Speaker 5: You know, So it's going to be interesting. The quarterback
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Speaker 5: play is actually pretty good in the ACC.
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Speaker 3: CJ.
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Speaker 5: Bailey Atancy State is a stud. Kevin Jennings at SMU
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Speaker 5: is a stud. We obviously know Darien mensa many time
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Speaker 5: player getting that move to Miami, and you know, we'll
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Speaker 5: see how the whole thing plays out.
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Speaker 1: Lukes, we appreciate it. Have a good week, my man.
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Speaker 3: You bet we'll do same to you.
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