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Talks to Mark Dodyk about his choice of Planet of the Ood · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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I'm so drunk. Welcome back to a hamster with a
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blunt penknife the Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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I'm Mark dick and I am here, this evening was to ever-ready
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ever-present Bullet, brilliant, effusive and effervescent chill
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forward, and his in podcast enabling ways their own.
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Oh, Stuart compliment. But hello.
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Yes. Hello.
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Yeah. Are you doing tonight?
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Not too bad? Yeah.
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So how are you? I have to say that was an
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incredibly Especially holy outing that but honestly people
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love your accent. You know that the comments about
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the previous ones. You've done no the whole no
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actually. Sorry.
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They just come into my inbox rather, right?
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Yeah. Oh that's okay.
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Now you've now removed Fraser Gregory as the hottest accent of
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handsome and blunt penknife go. She's going to get.
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Stop it in no time. Well, I nothing.
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Your daughter is just your accent, okay?
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It's amazing. What you can do when you're not
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even trying. Mr. Fogg I was just reading out
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shopping this. I'll tell you what they flocked
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here. Oh gosh.
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Give it a try. It's not that.
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I thought our got so far off the Beaten Track.
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Where only a minute in. I know look good tangents Mark,
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you chose the story that we are going to watch today.
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So would you care to introduce it?
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And any opening thoughts that you might have and we are going
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to be looking at something kind of food this evening.
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An episode. It was more chosen by random if
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you had listened to our previous encounter.
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When we finished part 4 of caves of androzani, we were plucking
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numbers from thin air and wind up.
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We were talking about 50 minutes.
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You know try to figure out which to talk about because it's not
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very good when you're trying to get somebody who is not
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accustomed to being spontaneous to be spontaneous.
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When I'm sitting there literally going okay, pick a number, a
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bloody nightmare. Trying to choose to take away,
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you know? Oh God yeah.
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Oh yeah, just go for the same thing every time and then you're
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fine. Somebody says, look, we try this
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for a change. I teach I was, I'm just ate the
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other day while so I've got off on a tangent again, but I was
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having somebody of an epistemological quandary going
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through. I just could not decide which,
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which receives do I have enough at half an hour and, you know,
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it, you know, we got to decide out of the time you end up
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wasting, so maybe we won't do that.
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And they won't use that method again in future for picking a
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store, not because we've picked a bad story at all, but because
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it Up a lot of time in Chicago, Steven Moffat on me or are, you
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know, we've had a conversation pre-recording determining, which
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story you can think the camera was gonna try and be all
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spontaneous and I'm not very good at that and you've just
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taken my spontaneity away from me.
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Would you do you? Like, okay so you said we're
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going to have a new toy. Yeah.
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But so we could technically be talking about the end of time.
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We could be talking about the doctor's wife.
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Could be talking about The Impossible Planet webisode.
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Are we talkin about? We're talking about planet
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includes the Most terrific of food episodes.
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Tastic. This I'll tell you what.
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Now, I don't know about you, but I didn't have a very high
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opinion of this before. I rewatch this, this time I
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thought it was above average, by thought it was one of the weaker
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episodes of series for. It, would think is the strongest
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season of knew who all the way where we now Series 13.
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Yeah, it may be eclipsed by what's coming but I thought this
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was excellent when I was just out yesterday what you thought
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of it at the time. And then now, on a re-watch, I
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remember really liking it because it was one of the First
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episodes where I think by series for, they were finding their
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confidence as a production team and them where they were
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budgeting and managing production blocks.
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I am. They were able to push the
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boundaries a wee bit more. So design-wise and you know,
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that all the whole aesthetic and the story, it's just a bit more.
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Or out of the boundaries of what they've been doing previously,
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having a proper alien world realized more or less.
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The first time I think there is a few instances where, you know,
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we've had qualities and things that night up until then, but
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suddenly we've got this snow ski on this other world and all
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these things going on it was it was so about two reminders.
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It still doctor. Oh, they've got these fabulous
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artistic landscape. So, doctor of gonna go across
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this amazing sort of snow skates with huge star.
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Oh God, static my thanks come down.
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Yeah, makes come up. It doesn't look so well for not
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things that come on, you know where we're going.
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Yeah. But then it cuts to them in.
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What is clearly? A better grass that's been
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sprayed with some snow just to remind us.
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We're still watching Doctor Who oh, gosh, yes, I wouldn't be
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right. Otherwise, I don't think they're
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very good snow escapes and especially because Especially
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when you can see the corner of the frame where the snow hasn't
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quite gone where it needs to be. But a suicide note got the
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ambition, to gotta go now. Yeah.
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And I think I think that's what made it look Ace to date.
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No, he bet the Dame the visual aesthetic because it was a bit.
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See me for a lot of the Russell, T Davies hero and I think this
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one steps out a little bit from the boundary slightly I am also
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as you see in the fact that it's part of Series 4, which is one
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of the standouts of sense Doctor Who's returned.
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It's probably one of the strongest run of episodes.
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I think plan over the Ute would be a standout in any other
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series. Yes.
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But it's literally seeing with a series of lever.
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Yeah. It would be an even like series
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knowing or something like that. This would be like a top three,
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I think. But when you're competing with
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stories, like, midnight and turn left and unicorn and the WASP,
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which is just a comedy episode, Fires of Pompeii is the hit rate
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this year. Oh yeah.
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They totally find their feet by this year was praising plan of
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the you'd it's got some stiff competition and but so that's
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not so good but it does hold its own.
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It does hold its own, what really impressed me was talk
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about it. But I'm only having so much
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conversation because I was aware of of watching it's like, oh my
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God. I'm gonna want to talk about
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that. We're gonna water but I only got
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45 minutes. So let's do some of it now.
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Yeah. The direction, my grandpa was
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funny. I thought like, I really thought
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there were there wasn't one frame that didn't feel
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artistically crafted. Like he knew exactly what Tony
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was going for in every single saving.
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Yeah, I think him leaving but also who was a massive loss or
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Steven Moffat, choosing not to use?
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It was a huge loss to the show. Yeah, I'm going to be really
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intrigued to see what he could have come up with when he was
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working with Steven Moffat. It because going back to talking
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about Aesthetics, again, the mafia era was so different from
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Russell, T Davies, and you were getting, it was it was a Moroso
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dreamlike. Escape and they were working
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with. I would have been just really
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interested to see what Graham because Graeme Harper has fun
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making Doctor. Who, when you listen to his
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commentaries, he always, he's having a seat Sita is.
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It's a thrill for him. He's really, I really need.
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That is full of energy on the set guide.
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Your cool, give me more, give me more.
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And I think by the time Steven Moffat, Sarah started, the Gone
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full HD. So there would have been
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different technical challenges for him and Graham, Harper's
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been Working on Doctor Who since what 1966 in different
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capacities, he's been dealing with like monochrome 405-line
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625-line to Transitions to color 21 in how you Stephen e, but was
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Mars. Yeah.
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Hey Steve, I then Lana but I think that's one of the best
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directed up two stories. So intense, he was he's the man
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for that job. If you want a story that's going
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to be So dynamically directed and really gets the drama and
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the punch Graham Harper's, your man.
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And that's why he was so good. That's why kids found resigning
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in Revolution of the Daleks still stand up after all these
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years. And that's nearly 40 years ago
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that he is stories. And that's why he was the only
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director who's ever been invited back to the series and again,
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and again, and again, like, I can't give any work.
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I can't give him the big Hills, like a ghost sand dunes.
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Face, stolen Earth, Journey's End.
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Yeah, these are episodes that people want Never forget, their
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like embedded in sort of culture.
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Now of this period of Doctor Who he's really versatile.
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Father, he did unicorn and the WASP this year.
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Yeah. Funny.
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You know, it's hell and I think he done left which is like a
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character drama and I proves that he's more than just the
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action, man, as well. Doing things like the unicorn
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and the WASP. It's another one that stands up
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store well and this year because it's really pitched perfectly
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and you wouldn't think it. So naturally agreement.
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Perfect. I think that's probably why we
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got him to do it. That's defined expectations
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lately. Another thing that immediately
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just make me smile. The second I turn this on was
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David Tennant, the Catherine, Tate, the set like, I was
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reading, I've good news my favorite.
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I don't get back into series for very often and then when I do
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I'm like man these guys have just got everyone else be there.
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Just gold together and that there's so much going on between
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about this between there's like morally, complex arguments.
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It's like fun banter. There's touching moments.
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And there's a bit where she says she wants to go home.
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Like there's it's a really complex relationship and it's
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been delivered by two reactors that have great chemistry.
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Oh yeah. Just yeah.
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But it's going to be the camera shooting them to absolutely
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fantastic and it's so great that they love to work together and
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it's clear that they love working together and the fact
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that they keep coming back for more and they've done big finish
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and now we're got to look forward.
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To whatever happens in 2023 if you decide to meet Mark that two
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years ago in a year's time, I'm going to be watching David
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Tennant, the Catherine, Tate back in the Tardis again but
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I'll first of all artists object because I've been so excited.
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Secondly I just want to Splash around the face and said, no way
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that's never gonna happen. Yeah.
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What are the chances? We're honestly, I could, it's
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like all my dreams have come true that on evolving orgies and
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things. It's amazing.
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Yeah. Well, I'm a scientist.
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Internal R&D, I suppose but maybe China Alaska.
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Yeah I can track him down track please.
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Yes, need to stay on track, no more tangents.
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But yeah, there were such a great team.
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I remember, I went on a leaves and she's had the mindwipe at
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the end. Journey's End I properly went
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into mourning, it was ridiculous.
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Remember the necklace it was about this.
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It was the same time. I remember it so vividly because
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I was grieving Being and it was are Mamma Mia.
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The movie came out at the same time or roughly a week later and
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the moms called Donna in that. So you've got the bit towards
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the over Pierce Brosnan is on this rock screaming Donna and I
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started to well up again because the Just saying her name was
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enough to spark off memories. So, so so good.
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So the direction is great. The performances are great.
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What do you think about scripts? I think it's pretty solid.
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It's maybe not. A standout Doctor Who scripts,
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but I think for doing sort of alien world and a bit of an
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undercurrent, a bit of a theme to it pretty, pretty solid
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stuff. And I contradict you, oh, I
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think this is a standout scream. I think, it's just not as stand
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out because as we've already said, it's buried amongst the
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local gym. Yeah.
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Well, I think there's a lot of complexity in this script.
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There's a same way. I talked about slavery, he makes
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the job about the clothes that opens a whole can of worms for
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the audience watching. Yes, I think I've really you've
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got characters like Solana in this who you think is going to
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go down One path and completely chooses.
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Another part which is like more complex characterization that
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you would normally get for other local administrator which is
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what she is. I think you've got quite complex
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characterization of people at how Open like at one point he
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goes soon like he's been absolutely awful rather however
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soon and he's forced to be you too.
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This is my go on off, you go and be with your people.
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I mean, you said it into if they're technically but it shows
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this moment of humanity, which I'm just like, okay, so yeah,
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there's a lot of sleight of hand.
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There's some it's not to think sometimes.
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I don't think a meteor of Doctor Who is completely faultless and
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I think during Russell T, Davies is here are some times things
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were too blatant. There were overstated perhaps
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and I think that's why some of the moments in this may be done.
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Come to mind until you mentioned them.
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I'm suddenly, I, yeah, it's a lot of sleight of hand.
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A lot of clever, little characterization slips in there,
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but it's not spread on thick. Okay, so you like really think
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about like the first 10 minutes, this feels very swore to me.
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There's a lot of very unpleasant people and you know,
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conglomerates and people being treated appallingly and
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violently and horribly and I you know, you like angle word, you
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know, they let Eric swore back to write a new series script.
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What is going on? There's people being gunned down
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and hunted and and, you know, the business people are in
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charge and everyone's Gerbil. Then you've got the doctor and
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daughter. There, they bring all the heart
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and soul to this story and it becomes like it's over Treatise
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on slavery which is where it starts.
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It becomes this sort of unshackling this Press society
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and it just becomes this really sort of poetic very sweet story.
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Yeah, I don't know. I just, I think, I think there's
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a lot to it. Hmm, which you get, you get
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diverted a lot. Something people get diverted, a
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lot by the action and sort of the imagery and all of that.
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But there's a lot of emotions. I think there's a lot of smarts
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in this. I just think I think it's very
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underrated. Yeah.
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And I think they can see it's a very solid script, you know how
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sometimes Especially with Doctor Who since it's come back because
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they've got such a condensed story.
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Often. The first half is sort of over
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packed with stuff and then everything's crammed in at the
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end and maybe isn't concluded its you know there's flabby
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things or it feels like there's Lou sayings not in that fucking
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our like that you have like an ultimate example of that.
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Gosh, not off the top of my head.
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The doctor's daughter, you know, where they're throwing
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everything at you, at the beginning Riri and do well.
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I throw the ball with the air of the end.
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Yes, a simple conclusions are things where you just go?
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Oh, that's a bit sort of tenuous, mmm, all of this fuels
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thought out. Yeah, I like it for that.
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What see, what I've been. We've already discussed in a
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lot, Dave. Yeah, I've got one for watching
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it, but I think we should, I think we probably ought to while
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we're here. Of watching, 45 minutes tops who
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view fills me with joy. All you are a dear, you know,
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right? Okay.
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So you interest in, you should I count as in all for it?
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Yes. I'm just going to turn down my
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TV so it's not blaring. So yeah, five Roots fourth,
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roots. Three years to boots and a
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single route. Go.
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All this out is great. And he yeah.
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Would you be tempted on the basis of this food advert?
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Well it's directly inspired by the Ali.
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G show that initial humble born with the spotlights.
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So no, from that perspective, I called like the Kaleidoscope
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effect. Yes, As much as that you don't
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know, nice and Placid creatures. I'm not sure I'd want one around
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the house but you know, I think we're invited.
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So think about how we are manipulated by advertisements
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because the people that come along later on that is awful
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business people. I don't know.
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I'll use all that we're kind of social point and say, oh are
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they awful appalling people? And then the episode makes a
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direct link between this story. And now we're, we are the people
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in the shop students buy clothes that are being made by people
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that are practically enslaved. Yes, and it's quite Only, there
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were something when I was dead. Did a bit of pre-reading up
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beforehand, and somebody made the point that quite
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interestingly in fires upon P? Donna's not Sophie's by slavery.
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She's Nora. She know, and that's awesome.
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Possibly. Mmm.
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Tenders and a deal over the years.
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And so I've does, you know, maybe order episodes of
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continuing dramas and things like that.
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Okay, I'm gonna stop terrible pedigree.
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No, he's still right? And I think that's probably why
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he could maybe stay in and do something.
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This is urgent that was instrumental in byker Grove to
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remember that. It's like a bug.
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Report byker Grove. Yeah, I was gonna leave you to
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meet the cinema forward and kiss the other man and there was
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uproar this is on children's TV. Yeah gosh I remember or should
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make a girl so vividly I reckon on the basis that keeps it cool.
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Rusty. I was like right?
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You can ride on to his route. Yeah, he's probably on his radar
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after that. Oh my God.
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How gorgeous does Katherine Hale?
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Expanded are in? The snow is great.
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I love when she gets that jacket.
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Can I ask you a question about the general enthusiasm of the
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TARDIS teams at this point in the show's history because as
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it's time they were like going to someone else kind of spit
19:56
much in it. Yeah I think I might have found
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it slightly disingenuous almost when it was certain you know,
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certain things. Like when you've got talking
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about sort of things being may be sprayed on a bit too thick,
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you've got a rules. Start a new Earth gone.
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I love being here. I love being with you.
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It's wonderful and it just feels too much.
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Whereas you think you won't sign up you outside you do to me.
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All right it's just got a nice fluffy how
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now Garb and here comes the sports car of all spaceships or
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Space rocket. Hmm, I think it's just you
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compare it to Ferrari. She goes.
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Yeah, you love her. Honestly I should I didn't I
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didn't mind them being enthusiastic.
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Had a conversation with Simon Fraser on The Impossible Planet
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and so I literally went oh fuck off when they were laughing at
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beginning of that it right. Whereas I didn't think it was
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that bad. I thought it was, you know,
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thinking. Yeah.
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I think it depends. There's a keys and swear.
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It does great in some of these episodes.
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And you just think, you know, I love the use of the snow in
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this. I is really simply done.
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My really effectively sells the setting, I don't know where they
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filmed that dust real area, but it looks incredible is great.
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It was a concrete. Manufacturing plant.
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Are you work there of U-Boat? Me is how yeah?
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Me too hard graft like yeah I mean I'm assuming is somewhere
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called a for what you port. I think it was it's not far from
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Cardiff enemy. It's impressive enough.
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That when he does love Shores, I honestly, it feels like a great
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big like James Bond style setting.
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I think that's why it like visually seems quite arresting
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because they've obviously done a lot of filming in.
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In factories and disused warehouses, and things like that
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in the new series, but this looks so much more Grand.
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And it's like the bit later on, where you see that, massive
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spinning, industrial thing, whatever it is, that there is
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Loops, so huge. It is pausing in the classic
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seriously, use the location of whatever.
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It's got that, use it and a little bit more impressive and
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we just had Tim mcinerney. Thank you.
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I know. We have to say that as a skill,
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you've got the one paying Solana, the fellow playing the
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scientist who's from the friends of the end who to?
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Yes I I think all the guests cars equipment self really had
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Salalah has got like a sort of a poker face on the first half
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until she's kind of reveals that actually teaches about heartless
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or she makes well Cole Tim Market.
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He's a good mcinerney. I think he gets out a really
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terrific Force but he's just great and everything else we
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were in Black outer. Well, gorgeous so good,
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discovered a new element. We green and me purest mean and
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the fellow who plays the scientist.
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I think he's really undervalued because he's kind of really
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Twitchy and a bit awkward. Yeah, you can.
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Yeah, it's quite good because sometimes, you know, when you
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get the, you get the reveal some things, it's a bit too obvious.
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You've got somebody who's working undercover in these
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sorts of stories and commas, but he's a bit Twitchy and awkward
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does that because, you know, it could be read in a few different
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ways, you don't know, immediately that he's
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undermining this whole operation and has been for some time.
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So that when they reveal comes, it's actually it's are you to
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sort person that, you know, when you when you were in, you know,
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a moment of subterfuge or you're not telling the entire truth,
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you gave it to which it'll fire up guys today for her.
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Okay? That's like an honest reading of
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someone in that situation, he's In 10 years, trying to get into
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this place, you know. And then as soon as it, you
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know, if it's assuming he had survived him.
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If he stops being all twitches and he's out of the situation.
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Everybody's just spent ten years around him and he's getting
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twitching the whole ten years because you're getting sucked by
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a giant brain as you do. And I know I've never
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experienced it but that's an awesome.
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Yeah. What happens on the sphere?
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Did you see that? Don't know if you tell the
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person fall and she's talking to you and she doesn't quite know
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how to react with this weird alien, but she gives it a go and
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I love her for that. She's still human.
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It's like the fact that she's got this.
24:45
She's got the ball, she front, but she's very Humane and
24:48
compassionate and things like that.
24:52
Always come through. And I think I remember when
24:54
these said that she was coming back as a companion and
24:57
everybody went oh God, no, no. After the runway, we braid, you
25:00
think, well, that was in it all intense purposes going to be a
25:04
one-off. Nobody assumed she would be
25:05
coming back. Of course, he's going to come
25:07
back and develop and grow as a character and everybody's come
25:12
to lover. I think most people eat her
25:14
words when she came, Back, but into partners in crime, I was
25:17
completely sold to nobody and of Runaway Bride.
25:19
I was there's that line that she says, where there on the street
25:22
and she goes and then you made it snow.
25:24
I mean, scare me to death. Yeah.
25:26
I was like, she's really underplaying.
25:29
It's like, she don't get me wrong.
25:30
She's like, in some fucking pants.
25:31
I win the first off the Runway. I want John Rishi think she's
25:35
playing to their, but by the end of it she brings him all right
25:38
down. And I'm like there's potential
25:40
here. Yeah.
25:42
Absolutely. Whether in the Tardis and he's
25:44
showing During the formation of the earth.
25:47
She's kind of whispering for all of that.
25:49
See I'm like she's not killing these moment.
25:52
She's really kind of serving. She sells them well and I think
25:55
it's she seems to just have such a really strong reading of the
25:59
character from the off and she knows that Don Jose over death,
26:05
but if there's somebody like the doctor who really knows her
26:08
shit, she's gonna stop and listen, he's gonna absorb what
26:12
they've got to see if you're somebody who's going to be
26:14
bullshitting her. She'll try and cut you down.
26:16
She sees through people's nonsense and she does.
26:19
Sometimes the doctor does bullshit and she will cut it
26:21
down. Absolutely.
26:23
She said when he says to her you're not going to tell those
26:25
people in Pompeii. They're all gonna die.
26:27
She's a lot, watch me. Yeah and she's yeah she's got
26:32
such heart and she knows how to read people and I think that's I
26:35
think that's why I love her so much as the fact that she really
26:39
Jails well, with other characters and they seem to
26:41
respond. Well, and that's as much
26:43
Catherine teats performances at his the character.
26:46
I think, the thing I love most about Donna is the fact that no
26:49
matter what she does, and what she goes through.
26:52
She still has an extraordinarily low opinion of herself right up
26:56
until her last story, which is our nothing or nobody.
27:00
I'm, and I'm just, like, you are the most incredible person.
27:04
And then you say, you meet her mother enough times to know.
27:07
I know why you think that? Some believe that telling you
27:10
you're just a boy but you couldn't or life and when wilf
27:14
says oh but she was better with you.
27:17
Yeah, and then when Sylvia goes, I'll look after she's my
27:22
daughter. I will baby goat.
27:23
Maybe tell us, she's she's worth something every now and it's
27:26
great stuff. Honestly is just 0 gets me every
27:30
time something occurred, just that there was a brilliant
27:33
cross-cutting of Solana advertising the uder, we're so
27:37
Humane with you Dad. That is cross-cutting with one
27:40
of the big hunted down in the complex.
27:42
Yes, the pacing of that. See, that is Graeme Harper is
27:46
best and it's fantastic. Oh, here we go.
27:51
The sense fear. Yes.
27:55
Doing a bit of marketeering of the of the Ood as well.
27:57
It's Are you missing a lot of people are running watching the
28:01
sensor rights office? Mmm.
28:07
Is there a similarity between the sensor rights and the use?
28:11
Big bald heads and they do delay.
28:15
Yeah, I may be the extent of it though.
28:18
I do like the cross-cutting of classic and new continuity
28:22
though. I think that it makes makes the
28:24
canvas feel bigger. And it's such a rare instance of
28:28
it this time of the shore as well, to reference a anything
28:31
from, from the Plastics classic era.
28:35
So yeah, remember appreciating that is one of those sort of
28:38
course, but like when the Micra turned up, Gridlock.
28:41
I was like, yes, just validated bits of the classic serial the
28:46
classic era. A mock-up.
28:48
You know, stop. He's been disappearing lately.
28:51
What has happened to the bees? Although I believe they've
28:54
headed off the tan Boca scale or something.
28:56
That's probably it. Yeah, it promised a lot that.
28:59
Well, I'm not sure what game. Just facing the bezel, just
29:04
fucks off and went. Well, you're in a lot of
29:05
trouble. So yeah.
29:07
Yeah. If I was a be, I probably did
29:08
the same have to admit. I think believe that may be a
29:11
reference to a Douglas Adams so long and thanks for all the fish
29:16
for a pretty similar sort of thing.
29:18
So yeah. Now, look at this now dollars,
29:21
the only person in this story asking you to, are you happy to
29:25
be slaves? Are you happy to serve?
29:31
Do you think Ben asks them straight up?
29:34
Well, she's bald and shit. Do you think this is because
29:38
after The Impossible Planet and the Satan pit, the doctor just
29:43
leave them all to die because they are beaut.
29:45
Yes, I don't know if it is or not.
29:51
It feels in some ways. This episode is sort of a
29:54
Redemption for the doctor for having let you die at the end of
29:58
the seat and pit. It however, this story a bit
30:01
like use of and resigning when we did that, we were discussing
30:04
how the doctrine Perry actually don't have a huge impact upon
30:09
the goings-on and it's true of the doctor and Donna in this the
30:14
you've got. What's his name?
30:15
Dr. Ryder working away under this behind-the-scenes,
30:18
manipulating the the circle around the Ood.
30:21
Brain, are you all riiii--? Uh-huh.
30:25
They wouldn't direct. They had they don't really
30:27
directly. On the outcome of this story.
30:32
But I do think they add that massive layer of heart and I
30:39
don't know like the things would do know when she's crying
30:41
things. Like that.
30:42
Otherwise this would just be a muscle face, wouldn't it was
30:45
just absolutely there there dumbs, not of explosion, the
30:48
bear wrong. It's very exciting to think that
30:52
but yeah, you're right. Yeah, it was when it dawned on
30:56
me, I suddenly thought actually, yes, they if they hadn't
30:59
arrived, this would more or less Balloon tie on the same way so
31:04
that basically was nervous. Haha.
31:06
Absolutely. They're just old friends.
31:07
Companions should be rather than directly involved in the face of
31:11
all these planets and histories. Have you noticed that he's got
31:16
that camera down on the floor every single time someone's
31:20
being violent like he's trying, he's showing how impressive that
31:23
is that man standing here with his whip.
31:25
You're basically we use because he's whipping down towards the
31:28
camera and you're just getting drawn into the drama.
31:32
Unless you're into that sort of thing, which case, then this
31:35
episode takes a whole nother level, absolutely to their own
31:40
got that very well. Yes.
31:42
Yes, yes, yes. Do you want?
31:44
Is that spinning thing? Yeah.
31:46
What goodness knows whether the concrete mixer on a massive
31:50
scale. No darling.
31:51
Yeah, that makes sense. Um, I got a question for you
31:56
about giant fallacies, Fire away onami fallacies the follows.
32:05
Well, I hope you mean phallus because you you know, What about
32:09
a giant brains? I'll put it that way.
32:11
Well, thanks Gray's. Is that?
32:13
That's something else. Well, I'm so dry brains.
32:17
How do you turn up on top to every cat?
32:19
Again? I believe we have one fabulous
32:22
example in time and the Rani. Yes, that's probably one of the
32:26
best big brains and daughter. Who are there any other giant
32:29
brains? No, I mean, herpes is brain is
32:34
probably above average inside Iraq.
32:38
Bobby, the white not Gunk. Yeah, blasting on the floor.
32:43
Yes, that's you do. That's just, I don't know my
32:46
opponent. So my question is yes, nothing's
32:49
do if Alice is a talk. So is, is that a bit Camp?
32:55
What a story that is have an enormous brain in it?
33:01
I would say. So, yes, it does there.
33:03
It does seem slightly. Ridiculous when everything but
33:07
that, but I think it probably helps undercut.
33:10
The fact that the rest of the episode is quite Grim.
33:12
Actually, there's a lot of, you know, we're talking about
33:16
slavery, we've got torture, we've got rabbit creatures that
33:19
are being condemned for their own good.
33:23
Then this big pink cream, maybe there's maybe maybe I'd maybe
33:27
time in the Ronnie has scarred us for life.
33:29
For me, can't look at brains without thinking of them as
33:31
being they contain. Can you see?
33:35
Not worry. Wait for auction.
33:36
Did you see the picture of it almost like 25 years later?
33:39
It was a terrible State. I'll tell you what, it's almost
33:42
got there in that incredibly living room now that giant
33:44
decaying brain. That's like I would have it on
33:47
the dining table. She's my prized possession.
33:52
Yes, I'm on the Ronnie. Oh, yeah.
33:55
Then you could say, you could do this.
33:57
The rest of the koi Scottish on you.
33:59
This guy's doctor the time for double on top of us.
34:04
Mr. Sylvester is better than mine.
34:05
Ever be, he's going to do a very good impression of the Seventh.
34:09
Doctor always gets me. It's like I said, like a do yo
34:12
mam. I think it really does.
34:16
What's your opinion of these fabulous?
34:18
Giant claw, Amusement machine said, I think it's one of the
34:24
elements the episode that I don't like as much.
34:27
I think perhaps because it is drawn out a bit too much.
34:30
The sequence doesn't mean to be as long as it is.
34:33
Right. Stop that.
34:35
Uh-huh. I'm glad we're going now.
34:38
Siri what Fraser Gregory said? I told you I was going to run
34:40
this episode. Oh no.
34:43
Are you telling me that we've got to a point in Doctor Who
34:46
where we would have a special effect sequence as stunning as
34:50
this? And we complain about Logan is
34:55
what is going on at there's that it's no judgment upon the
35:00
Artistry or the achievement but just in the sequences
35:05
unnecessarily long as well realized but it's a little bit
35:08
too long you know I'll just been all that Madness horrible guard
35:14
who's are going. I've always wanted to do this
35:16
right the joystick, very crazy, all his Brilliance.
35:21
I listened to the commentary and the The commentary on this
35:24
episode. It's with Graeme Harper and
35:27
Roger Griffiths who paid me, please that character case I
35:31
need just it seems like he had a whale of a time making it was so
35:34
pleased to have been on Doctor Who and he had two young boys
35:38
and they were like, Daddy, why are you doing this daddy?
35:41
Why are you doing that? And it just I think it's quite
35:43
nice that growing up as a young Doctor Who fan you all you ever
35:48
heard was people seeing only what they really did it for my
35:50
kids or my grandkids, you know, there's a student for himself.
35:53
The kudos for doing it and then you've got people that still to
35:56
this day. You know, it's like my kids were
35:57
so thrilled that I did that Doctor Who.
36:00
So it's quite nicely City. Sounds like you really enjoyed
36:02
the experience. The best part was, when we got
36:04
to be the complete fucking asshole of the show, you know?
36:07
You go around killing everybody and there's something about new
36:12
series who that there's not always something, you know, in
36:15
the classic series, you have some really clearly defined
36:18
villains? Yeah, they stand up so well
36:21
there's fewer instances. This has allowed after 2005 was,
36:26
I think in this episode, you've got how home and you've got case
36:31
as sort of, you know, you've got to pretty nasty guys and very
36:35
clear who they are and what they stand for.
36:38
And I like that about it. I think that's probably why I
36:40
like as well. But I think you know I asked you
36:42
this question in case managers are me about me people who make
36:46
you feel better comfortable, there is like very uncomfortable
36:49
by his but he's very sweaty here and he's really excited to.
36:52
Have you ever met And in your life, who is clearly quite angry
36:59
or violent, but it's utterly constrained by the social
37:05
niceties of their work. Or, you know, I mean, inside,
37:08
you have to behave a certain way, they are clearly ready to
37:12
let it out. And I thought the way he plays
37:14
that part, is somebody who's been forced to play nice and all
37:18
of a sudden, he's getting to shoot people go after People
37:23
that your stick it is so sweet. Relish it.
37:27
Hey, isn't it? Yeah.
37:30
If I said well, oh yeah, it's a really good part.
37:33
I think he plays it for all it's worth and I just feel the music.
37:37
He was great, I was just on the edge of my seat.
37:39
God, oh my God. Run bitch run.
37:44
And it's the fact it's even that you don't really notice too
37:47
much. The fact that he's obviously,
37:49
just on a nice chair in a corner of the studio hates.
37:52
Everything is just cupcake with the editing, isn't it?
37:55
Yeah. Nice to see what he does here.
37:59
It is, go, go, go, go, go, go. Go.
38:01
And then it's absolutely silent. And that thing is just over it
38:04
like right now over it. Thank you.
38:08
And so some of the restrictions so good, it's so good.
38:12
And then it's always the intercutting, you know, you've
38:14
got Donna and in danger as well at the same time because I often
38:20
you'd always, I feel like they really knew how to sell a set
38:23
piece by this, boy, definitely, I think so.
38:26
I think they've by this Force. Or that production team are so
38:31
confident in their abilities. They know what they're doing, I
38:35
mean know how to accomplish it. Well I got.
38:37
Do you think the doctor's daughter is the the very dreary
38:42
single example of theories for but I have seen you do that bit
38:46
where she doesn't like flips over the lasers but they know
38:49
how to do with that piece. Yeah.
38:51
Oh definitely. Oh let's talk about this Solana
38:55
and the choice. Yes.
38:57
What do you think? It's such a good moment because
39:00
normally it would be the point in the episode, where the doctor
39:03
would say to somebody, this is your moment.
39:06
This is your Redemptive moment, you know, come over to the good
39:09
side. We've done this loads.
39:10
We are having that. Yeah, you know, I'll go with
39:13
you. Yeah, we're so accustomed by at
39:16
this stage, but characters doing that essentially always the case
39:21
of the doctor going. You know, this is your moment.
39:24
And people always say yes and go along with it but don't she
39:27
doesn't I think in the rusty Dave is here up he managed to
39:30
surprise with moments like this my father more than anything
39:34
that's come since its same about Harriet Jones in the Christmas
39:36
invasion. You know it's the same with the
39:39
air stewardesses midnight. They may choices you would
39:43
expect them to make great television, going to go I think
39:48
it's quite, it's quite good that they normal to, defy, the
39:52
expectations now. And again, because there are
39:54
there, things in Doctor Who that will come up over and over and
39:57
over again by now, as I say we're so accustomed, you would
40:00
expect her to just school. Yeah, of course, you're the good
40:03
guy. I'm gonna side with you but she
40:05
doesn't know him that well Deva they've met in the hospitality
40:09
suite and she's got a major situation.
40:12
They've spent minutes together and still no difficulty in.
40:16
We know how this Supposed to go. So we're really just like Toby
40:21
heydrich said that Linda with a, why was absolutely the
40:25
unkillable character? Because she's gone on this
40:28
journey with Christopher Eccleston.
40:29
He's basic cited. You want to come with me and
40:31
Mama my God she's gonna happen to the Tardis with me a bitch
40:34
fight between home bro. It's going to be amazing but
40:36
then of crap it's fucking the rain to say that I love the
40:45
performance there. Asia gives you.
40:47
See, the real expression Crossing her face, she's
40:51
thinking this over, and obviously, weighing up the pros
40:54
and cons of their situation, but she's obviously got a cushy,
40:58
little life on the Ood sphere, why don't you give that up?
41:01
So she thinks we'll get through this and I use girl, really.
41:03
It's so high up in the business. She's doing.
41:07
All right. She's crouching his.
41:09
Mmm happened. Better watch out, he's gonna get
41:13
her. I think of that boiler character
41:15
could have gone either way. When she makes that call, I
41:19
think even she looks a bit shocked.
41:21
And then after that she's going, no, shoot to kill.
41:25
Kill that I've made that call. I've made the wrong choice and
41:28
I'm just gonna go with it now, you know, absolutely.
41:31
And while everything's going to Shit around her basically,
41:37
excuse, my French, but hey you've got this.
41:39
You happy swear on this thing. Are you kidding me?
41:42
I've said it once. I've said, I've already sworn a
41:44
few times this evening, apologies.
41:45
I shall try to read it or you have to spare more.
41:49
Okay. I'm talking bullshit.
41:52
Cool bikes, just the fact that you've got the food being sort
41:58
of rabid as well, really sales there.
42:01
It's hard, wasn't it? Yeah.
42:04
Go ahead a rubber mask, awfully convinced or the absolutely
42:08
sell. It tentacles flying all over the
42:11
place body language because I don't think we've seen the bit
42:14
yet where there's where there's one of the Ood pinning, a man
42:17
down in. It's like
42:33
I've heard writers. Say, John totally satisfied.
42:36
Many epic finish. That sometimes will be Ryan for
42:38
a character and the character surprises him in the decisions
42:44
that he makes the mate. Like basically he's going on the
42:47
part of that characters got off and then something happens, and
42:51
it's almost like the character takes it down and I'll bomb.
42:54
And I think I feel like she signed her death warrant when
42:57
she makes that bad call. And I think even kicked
42:59
everyone's life. Oh God.
43:01
Hey, what's she doing here? Laughing about Cute, that's it.
43:06
I think the character surprised, the writer there could be
43:10
reading, funny things. And yeah, well, would be
43:13
interesting to be interested to know for certain, if it was, was
43:17
it an ambition to do that to defy the expectations?
43:20
Or was it something that came up more as an incident?
43:23
I've never known Keith Temple. Be interviewed wind you in the
43:26
risers tail. I'll see.
43:28
David's last review. I think that he rewrote 75% of
43:30
this. So, like most of the scripts
43:33
during his time. Yeah.
43:34
Yeah, it does like, did he do schema polish by asking Mark
43:39
about organs exterior to the body here now?
43:43
Because a mutual friend of ours mr.
43:48
Fraser Gregory cannot get past the fact that the who'd have
43:51
this hindbrain which they hold in their hands and he says I
43:55
know there's no way any creatures would ever evolve in
43:58
this way. What are?
44:00
You know, we're watching the science fiction, where we seen
44:02
some pretty crazy shit over the last 50 years.
44:04
Exactly. I think when 8v Drew my
44:07
attention to that, I did start to think it was a bit comical to
44:10
be honest, but I think if you get pulled along in the drama
44:14
and you ignore the fact for evolutionary speaking, this is a
44:17
nonsense. If you can look past that, it's
44:21
fight, you'll still get swept along, but I'm yeah.
44:23
Once you start thinking along the lines of, you know, what to
44:25
do, when they go to the toilet, to the blade, the brain on the
44:28
side or like the point of this is is shorthand for the fact
44:33
that the vomit. That's it.
44:35
Yes, you know and is crazy shit. Yeah, it's weird.
44:39
Yeah. But you know a man literally
44:41
peels off his scalp on the episode.
44:43
This is a weird. Absolutely.
44:46
And it's one of the probably the most I think when it comes to
44:48
sort of body horror and horrific sort of biological goings-on,
44:53
you've got these hanging brains being vomited up and skin being
44:56
pulled off as fabulous. I love a bit of creature.
44:58
Are, you know? Oh, it's not something that
45:00
comes up in touch through very often either was a new series.
45:04
This is Pretty strong for the new series.
45:06
I think, even if moffatt's time where the scares were still
45:09
pretty, they were scary without PG-13.
45:12
He seems like Creature Feature. Head office quite for a full-on
45:18
Do you think a guy's is a bizarre question?
45:20
Do you think this is an angry left-wing message in this?
45:27
Or do you think there are any right-wing leanings to how this
45:30
is written? I don't know.
45:34
I never quite know how to read these things because sometimes
45:37
is it, you know, certain things can be an unconscious decision
45:40
in the writing other people might, what you could do there
45:44
are certainly other stories Doctor Who that are more
45:46
strident in their political opinions and messages.
45:52
I think it's it's not incidental in this but it's not as blatant
45:56
as it might be another stories Like Oxygen where you've got a
45:59
real Attack on capitalism or size chart.
46:03
I think is tenants. I'm go.
46:05
That's where like that bit there reason the cage is.
46:08
Literally the slave going. Come on, come get me, he's
46:13
selling the point. This is the sort of thing doctor
46:16
who doesn't do it in general. Sera is is very apolitical.
46:21
Now, I'm depending on whether you like that goes, they are not
46:24
because if you know, it's like, it was I writing earlier, but
46:26
some people just don't like, yeah, it's few environmental
46:31
messages and series 12, isn't it?
46:33
Yes, so be at the interesting to see what will come in, when
46:38
Russell comes back. I'll not even a ghost town.
46:41
Now, he knows what he can get away with.
46:43
He's gonna be angry as. Did you see him at that
46:46
conference? When he's thinking about the
46:48
Tories, God, hate liars, and murderers and you need to be
46:53
aware of this doctor who turns they're going down.
46:57
So yes, I think there may be some interesting stories and
47:01
some improper villains. Perhaps, but with a certain
47:04
leaving so they knew, ya know, Patrick Harris camp meeting.
47:10
Yes! That too is Carol that shot.
47:12
She's got one of the Rails. Now, she's dead.
47:19
She brought it upon herself. Don't worry Salona you're at
47:22
your choice. Yeah, exactly.
47:23
You belong onstage. The message is that if you
47:26
choose to go with the dots are likely to bring her why you end
47:29
up dead, if you choose to go against the doctor by Solana,
47:33
you end up dead. Pretty much.
47:37
Yes. But would you like to do that
47:38
math? You're an adult who Adventure?
47:41
You got a chance to the to impact the outcome, which way
47:45
you're going to go. I'd probably go with the doctor
47:50
assuming that money wasn't playing up.
47:53
Well you got the moral High ground but you did.
47:58
That's why I'd rather be in a story like, cast revolver.
48:01
Nobody really dies in that little hypothetical people.
48:03
I'll just Get a hangover like a jerk and hobble back to the
48:07
Tardis and we'll be fine. You could say you made us mad at
48:10
people but we are free. Yes.
48:13
And swing from chandeliers as you that you don't just as
48:17
normal evening, really asleep. Several of my house.
48:35
Yes, I'm all definiteness. It's, I'm quite brutal.
48:39
There's a nascent, quite unusual to have a lot of brutal and very
48:43
over deaths in this era of Doctor.
48:46
Who did you think he's doing that thing is, that's a great
48:49
show. The Galaxy thing, I kind of way.
48:51
So we don't lie, imaginations are worse or more brutal than
48:55
anything they could ever show me.
48:57
Absolutely. And I think, I think that's that
49:00
works so well for a series like Doctor Who, because obviously,
49:03
you can cross the Elaine too much if you are being too overt
49:09
and nastiness. You know, when you've got other
49:12
examples like Season 22 where you've got lots of blood and
49:14
gore going on, it's something that's still being debated now.
49:19
Whereas with this might break crass nastiness to divert from
49:24
the fact they were making a load of shit.
49:27
Yes. So sort of it I think it's
49:31
something violence and Doctor Who something it's always going
49:33
to be deleted. Some people would rather it was
49:36
playful and Fantastical and brutality.
49:43
If that's makes sense or you know, you go all out and you
49:46
have it more adult and you see the consequences of your actions
49:50
but that's as much an opinion of the writers and the showrunners.
49:54
Yeah. And what they bring to the
49:56
series and that's always, it's always change.
49:58
Sometimes it can be really brutal.
49:59
And then you've got Fantastical things or you've got Steven
50:02
Moffat, we're practically, nobody bloody dies.
50:04
Or if they do, they always get resurrected tedious, doesn't
50:07
Hydra a good Massacre. Like this gorgeous.
50:10
This is probably as close to the knuckles.
50:12
They got. In terms of a lot of people
50:15
dying in very violent ways portrait, and we were in Dalek,
50:18
it's always one. They were a bit.
50:19
Unsure about showing Dalek being tortured nowadays.
50:23
Everyone's fair game. Yeah, yeah.
50:26
And this is again, it's that sort of their seaward overtones
50:29
where A lot of people are just getting killed brutally in
50:31
there, so the verdict, however, they do have a bit more
50:35
character to be fair. It's not like we're just going
50:37
to get rid of you because you are now redundant.
50:39
It's usually you know, Salon has danced for example that it's a
50:42
part of the story and all else seems to feed in a bit better.
50:46
Yeah, they're the right. People die in this weird thing
50:51
to say but and they dying sort of awesome.
50:56
I work in ways that are so Ting. So how they behave Solana?
51:02
If possible to death. I just after she said, you know,
51:06
go and kill all those people. He gets turned into a nude and
51:11
then they choose to look after him, well, as punishment he
51:14
could ever have because he was abusing you, you know, and
51:17
you've got KS, who gets gassed. He was gonna gasps dude, like
51:21
you know, he was going to leave them caged animals and gas them
51:24
alive and they turn it on in this last time.
51:29
Case managers all day. Yeah they're open.
51:31
They're close. And that one also directed by
51:33
crime. Huh.
51:34
Yes. How people might be surprised
51:37
where we got an extra night because there's no desert all
51:39
win that one? Good point.
51:41
Yeah, I'm okay. The giant brain and the markets
51:49
thrown over the rails. Absorbed into the bright is
51:53
hilarious. I needed a joke on this point
51:56
and that was very funny. Oh yes, a straight.
51:59
It's very the big brain. It doesn't just take me to time
52:02
in the Ronnie old takes me to Bleak 7 and Ultra world.
52:06
Oh no, it's not the one where the straw make dining room.
52:10
Towerdive sex. Yes.
52:12
Is this the native human mating ritual?
52:21
That's a big campy. Bring Jesus our he's got full
52:25
many, a giant brains have got form inside surface.
52:28
This is a B-movie no called the brain.
52:30
I've seen that. It's about this amazing Chat
52:33
Show and they would have people on it and then stir up terrible.
52:37
Emotions from even having an affair with what's up.
52:40
But the brain is under the stage sucking in all the negative
52:44
emotions is getting bigger and bigger before.
52:47
I could take the whole building and then Braddock, leave the
52:49
world. As a terrible shot of it
52:51
literally it's so big. You can see it from space.
52:56
I think I need to see this. I've got it you know I can't
52:58
tell him bro watch that. All right we were watching
53:01
Prestige television, will watch the brain.
53:04
He's got time for Prestige television, these days.
53:07
In fact, let's just watch all the brain Doctor Who stories and
53:09
then we'll watch the brain. People aren't listening.
53:26
Thank you for listening. So I'm going to say that about
53:36
to be charts. I really want to watch it if you
53:38
haven't been approved by the other countries, you want.
53:40
Watch the good bits. But the way Tim mcinerney anke
53:49
mcinerney mcinerney. I can a lot of people think it's
53:52
Tim economic injury. Yes, I was gonna say a nice
54:02
change, but how do you play being turned into a newt?
54:06
Well, I think he just about gets it, right?
54:08
Yeah. It's the it's the retching that
54:12
comes. With it as well.
54:13
It's horrible is really sales, edged property, the peeling of
54:17
the scalp. I just can't ever get over that.
54:19
I could just sit there and feel like it's a good job that
54:24
they've got a massive version too blunt because if that had
54:27
any bread, that would have been too much, I think the fact that
54:32
it's just a sort of it was probably a loom or whatever it
54:34
was they were using it sort of lube and peeled skin.
54:40
Well yeah. On the back of this will be
54:44
there is light hair about. I've never shot anyone before.
54:48
I don't know if I'm going to like it.
54:50
Well that's terrific line for a villain because he's he's
54:53
doesn't mean it's not business. Nice lady, he's a villain.
54:56
But he's not over on Dylan. Yeah, everything sort of a means
55:01
to an end. I love that.
55:04
He sort of goes from. He looks like he's having a baby
55:07
and then he looks like he's going to bring up his dinner and
55:09
he's just going through this whole rage.
55:11
You know, that Red Wolf episode, where rimmer it's that fried egg
55:14
Chilli, Chutney sandwich. It's a bit like that.
55:18
It's for the whole gamut of emotions.
55:21
It's basically how you and I feel could be watching.
55:24
So, like the Timeless time, you know, we go through this whole
55:26
range of all my gosh. How could you not?
55:31
I spent a lot of it retching. But did you not like the really
55:35
simple short of the tonic? Because it expresses his vanity
55:43
so weak. I know he's a he's a bad bloke
55:46
and he's in vain and he's insecure and he's insecure.
55:52
Well, look at him, you were being so cute.
55:56
So you bitch I mean look at that.
56:04
Honestly, I mean he is a terrific actor and win for
56:10
Doctor Who gave him. Oh, yeah, he's against Starla, a
56:13
niche, or would benefit from if he turns up.
56:16
It's all good. I'm sorry.
56:18
Just killed his head off. Let's fire it up.
56:24
I'll never apologize again. She gets a Great Liner.
56:28
It's like watching an artist. I know what's right or wrong
56:30
anymore. He goes.
56:31
Yeah, that's probably for the best Olmec.
56:34
Say yes, that's good cause she acts.
56:36
Like she's not making any definitive judgment because what
56:39
he's going for it rific. What he's done is also horrific.
56:43
So is it the ends? Justify the means.
56:46
Mmm. It's a, it's interested.
56:48
In the short time should be traveling.
56:49
With the doctor, she's had some big moral.
56:51
Dilemmas already lets her belief System is rocked by his or her
57:00
stuff. She experiences with the doctor
57:01
and it, no wonder, she doesn't know right from wrong.
57:05
Originally, I think this was supposed to come second in the
57:09
ram viewed and they made a decision that it was actually a
57:13
bit Grim, as a first step in space, but she's got a line in
57:16
this. Where she says, I want you to
57:18
take me home, which makes sense if that is her first trip in the
57:22
Tardis. Yeah, and it actually makes
57:24
sense of that first scene where they're kind of Find the ship to
57:27
get one or lat. Hmm.
57:29
I think this is sort of written to be the second episode but the
57:32
web with bomb that's hardly a liar episode.
57:34
Is it on pay? Yeah, because I think.
57:36
Yeah. The think the certain little
57:37
things like that are probably telling of the fact that he just
57:41
moved in the shade Jewel because the whole moral dilemma the end
57:45
of fires to Pompey, would probably rock me more than
57:50
witnessing how big getting his comeuppance here as gory as it
57:53
is. I'd be like, actually that's
57:54
probably his Just Desserts. But fires upon P.
57:57
If the person I was traveling with through time and space
57:59
said, no, we've come back here and we're just going to let this
58:02
disaster happen. I'd really be questioning their
58:05
morals and their, their belief system, and my own beliefs in
58:09
being around that person. What stunning is that giving a
58:13
like really powerful emotional moments in every episode?
58:18
Every single one and she sells it in every time.
58:21
I don't think there's any moments for Catherine.
58:24
T, doesn't get the Shouldn't right.
58:28
I think the same where she's in the circle of mirrors with the
58:31
beetle on her back and but I don't care about basil her
58:34
perform. It's just I think it would be
58:36
the best performance in Doctor Who where she's terrified or
58:40
definitely. She's think one of the reasons
58:44
that so many fans have really embraced her, even though she
58:47
doesn't really get dr. Your science fiction at all is
58:50
the fact that she played it as well as she could.
58:54
She played it magnificently? He and made this character what
58:58
she is and we embraced that I like my mom was also convinced
59:05
when she came in by the end of the series buckets.
59:10
I don't think many people laugh when she left the series would
59:14
have thought it was a shame. She's not the best companion.
59:17
Oh my God, it was thicker with the best of times, you know,
59:20
brother, the king is awful, bloody comedy actress, the NSA.
59:26
How many people went through that perception of her lips?
59:30
I love the fact that again going back to talking about defying
59:33
expectations. She came in and people thought a
59:35
Catherine T differently after this probably what makes series
59:40
for. He even more with the people had
59:42
all those expectations and I will turn on the head.
59:46
Yeah, absolutely. And I think no wonder the
59:48
greetings. Just went up and up and up
59:49
because I think she was a draw. And by the end of it, people
59:53
loved her. I'm looking at some taro's in
59:57
what looks like a gay disco at the moment.
59:58
So I'm guessing this episode ended but get somebody off to
1:00:03
this entire in gay. Disco we go.
1:00:05
There's a lot of purple lie about sontaran episode, isn't
1:00:07
it? Yeah, that's one of the sort of
1:00:10
aesthetic things about the Russell T, Davies zero that
1:00:12
started to really bother me by this by the end was the last log
1:00:16
scale so we use it. Yeah sometimes it was really
1:00:18
really over. It's like so so this entire
1:00:21
story is very much turquoise and purples, 42, everything is Red
1:00:25
and orange and understandably, they're approaching a son.
1:00:29
It's so blatant in a way that it just, I felt that it came to
1:00:35
hinder the story somehow, but that's just how my brain would
1:00:37
get that. You know, I got together.
1:00:40
I mean, I feel like he knew how to fill the square root pretty
1:00:43
images but yes, it could be a little bit.
1:00:47
Like, do you ever have like, 7 episode?
1:00:49
We're going up down that staircase and it's literally the
1:00:52
same stay, just change the lighting.
1:00:54
Kind of jail just checking that everything just gets darker as
1:00:57
big all day. I've been looking over his
1:01:00
shoulder blades right. Nick some of these tricks.
1:01:03
Yeah, this way it worked for them in 1970.
1:01:05
Whatever it was we probably got better.
1:01:07
Just bet. This is something that my
1:01:09
characters I'm past. I forgot.
1:01:11
It was like we just got better at making television as well.
1:01:13
So the cinematography now is movie standard, you know, it's
1:01:17
where is it kind of wasn't 2008 or whatever this was and it's
1:01:22
amazing to think how much television Has evolved in really
1:01:26
short space of time actually. And sometimes it's under
1:01:30
appreciated. It's still, it's still an art
1:01:32
form television, and what it's for ever evolving and goodness
1:01:36
knows what the next. Well, could ya quiet VR?
1:01:41
Helen your plug yourself in Doctor Who we didn't
1:01:46
commentaries? But I'll be sitting there,
1:01:48
swearing under my breath, going what?
1:01:49
That know? If you could actually plug
1:01:53
yourself in any Doctor, Who story?
1:01:54
Hire a VR helmet. Where would you go?
1:01:57
I've got our straight away. God won't you guys probably the
1:02:00
five doctors. I would just want to be in
1:02:01
amongst all that. Oh, that's good choice.
1:02:05
It just, you know, Rocco. We are to the spiraled and
1:02:08
jungle planet of the Daleks just because it's my ultimate Comfort
1:02:12
Doctor. Who story, you know?
1:02:14
Got to be careful though. You might come back with a
1:02:15
fungal infection. It's been nice to happen.
1:02:18
Don't worry, I'll pray. Okay, good deal with those now.
1:02:21
Well, that's okay, he'll speak planet.
1:02:25
The Earth is a planet of the Daleks.
1:02:27
Thank you, has it. It would you indulge me in?
1:02:32
Give me three reasons, we'll do it.
1:02:35
One a piece back and forth as to why you would recommend this
1:02:39
episode. And you go first we didn't even
1:02:46
touch on it at all. I'm going to say marigolds score
1:02:51
in this one. I think it's a little bit more.
1:02:54
It's a some bits of it are a little more different than the
1:02:57
usual sort of scores that he was delivering at this time.
1:03:02
You've got slightly more sympathy sounds alien and quirky
1:03:05
sounds in the mix. Which helps sell the fact that
1:03:10
this is another world and it's something otherworldly in
1:03:12
different compared to the more contemporary earthbend.
1:03:15
Stories were used to hearing about the aesthetic, some of the
1:03:18
direction, the music, it gives it a feel of a classic Doctor
1:03:21
Who it really does. I think, I think, It's taking
1:03:25
you to a world which the series at this point, is veered away
1:03:29
from not being able to realize and then they go for it and
1:03:33
suddenly everything else and try.
1:03:35
They're really trying to sell the idea that you're on another
1:03:37
world. Instead of do that Utopia where
1:03:40
the, where they were. I remember when that came out
1:03:42
and the Russell T Davies was trying to sell it as it's one of
1:03:45
our first proper alien worlds. Your locates.
1:03:47
A quarry at Ma Maison. It's really obvious that it's a
1:03:51
quarry at night, but they're please rise for a reason.
1:03:54
Why? Because They work just work.
1:03:56
Yeah. Now he's got boy, is a quarry
1:03:59
that's covered in snow or I think, yeah, we're waiting a
1:04:02
nice Planet. I'm going to say the action that
1:04:06
in this, which I didn't know about too much, but I think it
1:04:10
is terrific realized. And I think, especially in the
1:04:13
climax where there's big long shots of that that setting
1:04:20
concrete plan and there's explosions going off as stunts
1:04:24
happening. Reminds me of one of those old
1:04:26
partly stories where they just for all the money at the action.
1:04:30
In fact, he reminds me of the end of series ever watched
1:04:32
Buffy. Mmm, that's all.
1:04:37
I have this thing called the initiative, right?
1:04:38
And I did his great big bomb base and they have Buffy weave
1:04:43
through this enormous warehouse. And there were explosions and
1:04:46
stuff, all sorts going on around her.
1:04:48
And this kind of matches that I just, I just think it there's
1:04:53
money on screen, and the Action is stunning.
1:04:56
Yeah, the verbs that they sold it at me.
1:04:58
That's great. Next point.
1:05:02
I think we've some of the things have already touched on by
1:05:04
lawyers, right? Repeat yourself.
1:05:06
Yeah. I think it's the quality of the
1:05:09
guest cast. It's quite a small cast.
1:05:12
Actually when you think about the number of speaking parts
1:05:14
that are in it, but Tim mcinerney.
1:05:19
Absolutely sales his Rule and you've got Solana and dr.
1:05:24
Ryder and KES, great parts and you've got the guy that please.
1:05:29
Mr. Called gesturing towards treat.
1:05:31
His name's gone. He gets killed bumped off of
1:05:33
them at the very start, but he even, even his short scene
1:05:36
completely sold. You've got this cynical sort of
1:05:41
businessman, who's you know, muttering under his breath,
1:05:44
through the he completely sells his character in that one short
1:05:48
scene. Cricket guess cats.
1:05:50
It's a underappreciate guests are.
1:05:52
So I think this people point at things like Naidu what some RZ
1:05:56
possible planning and things like that, where, you know, that
1:05:59
those are really impressive and so group of access in both of
1:06:03
those. But yeah, I think some of these
1:06:05
sort of mid season episodes. The quality of the acting is
1:06:10
underappreciated. Oh yeah.
1:06:13
Okay, my second one then is going to be it's going to be the
1:06:18
zingers that here. And I'm absolutely sure it's
1:06:22
rusty though. This cryptic it's the jokes,
1:06:24
when they come in, they're not many of them, but when they do
1:06:27
come, but which is, why should I miss?
1:06:30
Well, it's single to you. No, no, we're not married.
1:06:35
You know. All that even like, Donna, with
1:06:37
possible. It's very touching, but it's
1:06:39
very funny as well. So, how she plays it.
1:06:43
So, I think the jokes that are their kind of that Feller
1:06:47
falling into the brain. Funniest thing in the whole
1:06:51
website. So, yeah, I think, I think that
1:06:54
humor is there, and it does add another layer to see you're
1:06:59
already very late, which would bring me to basically flagging
1:07:05
up how brilliant Catherine teaches in this.
1:07:07
You've got a great comic actress.
1:07:09
She's this is only her second regular episode that she's shot
1:07:13
at the series. You would not, you can't fault
1:07:16
her at all. She doesn't look like she's over
1:07:18
debt. That she's nailed it, she's
1:07:21
pretty new to the show. Pretty new to Syfy.
1:07:26
Wouldn't date that, you know, she's Jake would have every
1:07:29
faith in her. I imagine when they were looking
1:07:31
at Russia's, they were thrilled. I refresh it out fucking clue.
1:07:34
What was going on, though? She thought the sontarans were
1:07:37
battery-powered. She didn't know they're actors.
1:07:40
I mean, I think that's a joke that's been done.
1:07:41
I think it might be slightly exaggerate exaggerate.
1:07:43
Yeah. The top given the fact that she
1:07:49
had. No, she was now that makes me
1:07:58
imagine imagine if they brought back.
1:08:13
So my third thing is going to be the character of Solana who you
1:08:19
could probably easily forget. I think she's wonderful
1:08:21
frapping. The actress is great because you
1:08:23
sir and but like I love her. Early stages.
1:08:26
The episode every time I log goes off, she happen to think of
1:08:29
another excuse as to why there's a narco and then she sort of
1:08:32
tells the camera guys. Well yeah, things are really
1:08:36
telling, if you look in her eyes, they are seeing everything
1:08:39
that her baby, her face, and her voice isn't.
1:08:42
I know for a fact that you had me at some point in our lives,
1:08:45
you know, where, where our eyes are down with theater around,
1:08:47
with the smaller basically, fix this problem, it's finding or
1:08:54
the alarms. And then and then you think
1:08:57
obviously she's gonna go down One path and she makes a really
1:09:00
really silly choice but the surprise the doctor and Donna
1:09:05
and the audience and I think the writer.
1:09:08
So I think she's one of the most surprising characters in this
1:09:10
period of Doctor Who. And yeah, I really really
1:09:13
interesting and I'm forgotten about as well.
1:09:16
Yeah, we treat it I think revisiting it after a spell of
1:09:21
not having gone back to watch this series at all seeing just
1:09:24
how strong Excellent. This is like, we say back at the
1:09:27
star, I think the reason it's not held in such high, regard is
1:09:32
purely because it's got so much competition.
1:09:34
I think maybe it's time for some people to re-evaluate it II.
1:09:38
Don't want to cast any aspersions about what came
1:09:40
later? Yeah.
1:09:42
Well I have some troubling times it.
1:09:44
The more fear I liked Chris Shipley or a lot, I feel there
1:09:48
are a lot of problems. I would like to imagine in those
1:09:53
areas a Time. When this is one of the weaker
1:09:57
episodes of the Season. Yeah, it's quite telling I think
1:10:02
this is an era of Doctor Who where consistency and continuity
1:10:07
and strength of character is always key to the show and it's
1:10:12
probably not something that other show Runners were as
1:10:15
strong, a keeping at the Clown. Posse Davis, Phil Collinson, and
1:10:20
Julie Garber. And they were there throughout
1:10:22
the ROM. But I feel like they steered the
1:10:24
ship can Distillate and they worked together.
1:10:28
So, well, to make it properly like they were saying by this
1:10:34
stage of the production like four years in, there's no
1:10:38
stopping them. They're going from strength to
1:10:39
strength, everything every year, you can see that learn something
1:10:42
and they're going back to do it again or better or bigger or
1:10:45
Bolder because they know how to do it and they're learning as
1:10:49
they go along but the absolutely sell what they do.
1:10:52
Every time the next Doctor ad planner Have you date surprised
1:10:57
me so much because they're searching.
1:10:58
Don't you bloody mrs. Yeah, I think Phil Collins had
1:11:02
left by that stage. Well maybe he was even though he
1:11:05
was. Yeah so that they're ready for
1:11:07
this this little round? Yes, sir all boards.
1:11:09
Well, I will look after was a good that great justice story, I
1:11:15
hope so, I've been a pleasure but I wish these tell people now
1:11:19
where we're heading off to next. It's a bit chilly.
1:11:21
I think that's good coffee. Yeah.
1:11:25
Hello. You little bit Frost going on
1:11:27
and I probably shouldn't have chosen a short skirt for this
1:11:29
beach but we're going for Fury from the deep now.
1:11:35
Mary, the pipeline waiting, boom, boom, boom, boom.
1:11:44
So six episodes. Animated close sort out there.
1:11:50
Are you as excited as I am? I kept a decius so I thought you
1:11:56
seemed a little nervous and other Ventures lately.
1:11:58
You know, I've got a feeling that this one might finish you
1:12:01
off. It might do, I'll scream my way
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through it if I have to and our weaponize it.
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All right. Oh gosh, that sounds like a
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deal. Well, thank you so much for your
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time and I just think the say until next time until then, bye.
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Bosh eyebrow.