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Mark Belling Podcast #75: I told you so! Some Milwaukee officials want to get rid of the trolley, a Waukesha Alderman falsely claims an ICE raid was underway in his city (and now he’s lost his teaching job), and a look at the ongoing upheaval in the state GOP with the prospect of another contentious primary for Governor · The Mark Belling Podcast

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Speaker 2: Say, it was inevitable.
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Speaker 3: Some members of the Milwaukee City Council are now admitting
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Speaker 3: that the trolley is a flop and that we need
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Speaker 3: to get rid of it now. I said some we're
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Speaker 3: not in a majority point yet in the mayor. It's
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Speaker 3: not like they're gonna take it. They're gonna shut this
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Speaker 3: thing down, but reality is sinking in. I need to
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Speaker 3: give the background for some of you that aren't from Milwaukee,
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Speaker 3: or perhaps are new here. For about as long as
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Speaker 3: I've been doing a program in Milwaukee, and it started
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Speaker 3: in the radio in nineteen eighty nine, I have been
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Speaker 3: railing so clever, railing against all proposals to do any
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Speaker 3: type of transit that's on rail. It's all so stupid.
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Speaker 3: The biggest problem, of course with it is we have
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Speaker 3: roads everywhere, but the only ways, the only way that
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Speaker 3: you can run something on rail is where you put
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Speaker 3: tracks just in and of itself. That defeats any argument
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Speaker 3: for any of these real things. Nonetheless, for years and
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Speaker 3: years and years, two Milwaukee mayors one became obsessed with it.
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Speaker 3: They came up with this notion. First they called it
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Speaker 3: light rail, then they called it this, then they called
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Speaker 3: it that, and eventually they decided to call the thing
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Speaker 3: a streetcar. I continue to insist on calling it a trolley.
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Speaker 3: The reason I call it a trolley is for whatever reason,
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Speaker 3: they hated it when I called it a trolley, So
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Speaker 3: thus I continue to call it the trolley. All right,
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Speaker 3: For years we stopped the thing, and then finally they
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Speaker 3: got their hands on some federal grant and they started
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Speaker 3: ripping up the streets in downtown Milwaukee to put these
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Speaker 3: tracks in. They originally said we're going to charge a
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Speaker 3: dollar a ride, and I said, nobody's gonna pay a
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Speaker 3: dollar a ride. Secondly, I said, the thing is doomed
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Speaker 3: to fail because it's only able to go where the
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Speaker 3: tracks are, Meaning if you're not starting somewhere near the
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Speaker 3: tracks and ending somewhere else near the tracks, the thing
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Speaker 3: is of no use to you. There are a very
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Speaker 3: very limited number of people who would therefore be in
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Speaker 3: a position to use it. Basic common sense. They didn't listen.
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Speaker 3: They ripped up these streets and they put in this loop.
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Speaker 3: It took them forever to complete the second leg of
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Speaker 3: the loop, in part because the second leg of the
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Speaker 3: loop initially wasn't going anywhere because it was to dead
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Speaker 3: end at the Koteur, the high rise building that it
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Speaker 3: took forever to put up now is put up and
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Speaker 3: is still apparently only about half fall. Nonetheless, the trolley's done.
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Speaker 3: Immediately upon starting it, they realized nobody was going to
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Speaker 3: pay a dollar a dollar a ride, as I told
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Speaker 3: you they wouldn't. They never even bothered to put fair
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Speaker 3: boxes in. It's been free from the beginning. Now here's
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Speaker 3: some basic math. If it's free, there's no revenue. Obviously
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Speaker 3: there will be expenses. The thing has been a money
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Speaker 3: hemorrhaging sieve forever. The only way to continue functioning it
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Speaker 3: would be to continue to get government grads to subsidize it.
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Speaker 3: Or here was the brainstorm they came up with, we'll
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Speaker 3: sell advertising and put advertising signs on the side of it.
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Speaker 3: There are advertising signs on the side of a bus.
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Speaker 3: How much can you get for putting a sign on
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Speaker 3: the side of this stupid trolley that's running around. I
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Speaker 3: suspect not much. Initially, Potawatami said, we're making so much
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Speaker 3: money down here with our tight slot machines that only
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Speaker 3: pay out at ninety one percent, that we'll come up
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Speaker 3: with the money for this. But then even they said,
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Speaker 3: you gotta be kidding. Now, one of the arguments that
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Speaker 3: I made forever is given the fact that the thing
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Speaker 3: is only in downtown and only on one side of
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Speaker 3: downtown east of the river. Well, kind of, there's a
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Speaker 3: small portion near the post office where it starts, where
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Speaker 3: the intermodal station is, that's over there, but the overwhelming
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Speaker 3: majority of the road is east of the river. That
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Speaker 3: why would any other aldermen in any other part of
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Speaker 3: the city support this. The neighborhoods in Milwaukee are eroding, going.
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Speaker 2: To hell, et cetera.
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Speaker 3: Why are they spending all of this money to run
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Speaker 3: a street car in an area where basically a bunch
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Speaker 3: of white people in downtown business employees live. Another question
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Speaker 3: I asked, all right, well, years have gone by. Almost
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Speaker 3: nobody rides the trolley. Every now and then you'll get
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Speaker 3: something going on where some people will jump on it
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Speaker 3: like hitch a ride and save themselves six blocks, like
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Speaker 3: say Summerfest and so on.
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Speaker 2: But by and large it's empt and you see.
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Speaker 3: The trains running around very very very slowly. They screw
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Speaker 3: up the traffic downtown because when they approach an intersection,
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Speaker 3: all of the lights have to go red in all
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Speaker 3: four directions so that the trolley can go through the intersection.
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Speaker 3: The avert speed of the trolley is minus two miles
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Speaker 3: per hour? Is that physically impossive? Physically possible? I suspect
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Speaker 3: it isn't. Could something be a negative speed, Well, it'd
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Speaker 3: have to be going in reverse.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess if you could were.
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Speaker 3: Counting the forward progress of something and you put it
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Speaker 3: in reverse, But that would be anyway.
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Speaker 2: It goes very slowly. So now we have jas online
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Speaker 2: without any sense. See.
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Speaker 3: Part of the problem is you have these reporters who
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Speaker 3: write these stories. All reporters now seem to be in
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Speaker 3: a live in a city for the for two years
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Speaker 3: prior just for two years, so they never know any
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Speaker 3: of the background of the history. I, on the other hand,
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Speaker 3: have the advantage of having been here since eighteen twenty four.
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Speaker 3: Who is the president in eighteen twenty I actually know.
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Speaker 3: I think I know who won, but that would mean
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Speaker 3: he took over in twenty five. I think that was
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Speaker 3: John Quincy Adams who won in eighteen twenty four.
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Speaker 2: You shake your head. You have no clue.
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Speaker 3: You think we were still under the rule of King
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Speaker 3: George of England in eighteen twenty four, You have absolutely
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Speaker 3: I'm and I think.
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Speaker 2: Monroe was the president. If I'm not isn't this great?
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Speaker 3: Beck?
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Speaker 2: When we were doing a radio show.
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Speaker 3: Nine million people would be calling you up and telling
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Speaker 3: you an almost all with brawing on answers. Now that
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Speaker 3: we have a podcast, they're gonna be calling up at
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Speaker 3: eleven thirty at night when they're listening to the thing,
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Speaker 3: or worse yet, just anyway. The reporter's name is Vanessa Swales.
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Speaker 3: Well that's her name. Some here, I'll read the headline. First,
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Speaker 3: Milwaukee officials clash over maintaining downtown street car. I'm thinking
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Speaker 3: we go finally some of the ultimate and of course
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Speaker 3: are the ones who aren't from downtown as they take
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Speaker 3: a look at the city budget or wondering why we're
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Speaker 3: putting a fortune to keep this thing running. Here's the
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Speaker 3: first thing. There's no prospect for federal funds. Do you
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Speaker 3: know why there's no prospect for federal funds?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, there's no prospect for federal funds. It's
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Speaker 3: very very simple. It's a five letter t R U,
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Speaker 3: M P. Trump's not gonna give you any more money
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Speaker 3: to run a trolley around more? Are they gonna give
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Speaker 3: them any more money any more federal funds to try
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Speaker 3: to expand the thing. I mean they're great dreamous to
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Speaker 3: take it over to the fiser form and all of
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Speaker 3: that stuff. It's it's not gonna happen. They can hold
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Speaker 3: out and hope that Mamdani or AOC or somebody gets
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Speaker 3: elected president in twenty eight and then get the Congress
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Speaker 3: to pass the thing in twenty nine. But in the
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Speaker 3: Inn there's nothing, so there's no prospect of getting any
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Speaker 3: more outside money. And the thing is I say, costs
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Speaker 3: a fortune to run because A it breaks down all
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Speaker 3: the time. B they have to maintainded and see it's
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Speaker 3: unionized employees that operate the thing. And here they are
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Speaker 3: with all these other you know, city governments always have
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Speaker 3: tight budgets because there's all this stuff that they.
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Speaker 2: Want to spend money on.
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Speaker 3: And actually now some pressure to spend at least a
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Speaker 3: little money on our understaffed police department. So you've got
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Speaker 3: some alderman looking at it, this thing, why are we
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Speaker 3: doing this? Okay, even if it might have been a
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Speaker 3: good idea, maybe if some of us were dumb enough
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Speaker 3: to think that it would work, it's not working. Alderman
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Speaker 3: Scott Spiker, he represents the southeast side. By the way,
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Speaker 3: there are no conservatives on the Milwaukee Common Council. There
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Speaker 3: are just some that are less insanely radical than others,
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Speaker 3: and then there are some that are liberal but pragmatic
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Speaker 3: liberals and so on. In this case, though, Spiker represents
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Speaker 3: the southeast corner. For those been around for a while,
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Speaker 3: this is the old Bob Anderson area and it was
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Speaker 3: one time conservative. But there's no part of the City
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Speaker 3: of Milwaukee this conservative anywhere. But that's the part that
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Speaker 3: Spiker represents, and he has the advantage of not having
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Speaker 3: been on the council when they approve this thing in
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Speaker 3: the first place. You have a loop that goes two
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Speaker 3: miles locked in and no prospect for ex at Alderman
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Speaker 3: Scott Spiker told budget officials, by the way, I have
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Speaker 3: been pointing this out for fifteen years, the.
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Speaker 2: Exact same sentence that he offered.
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Speaker 3: It would just make that lives or lefties a lot
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Speaker 3: easier if they would simply listen to me in the
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Speaker 3: first place. They're incapable of doing that, however, which is
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Speaker 3: why the I told you so that I started the
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Speaker 3: podcast off with today is so critical. Spiker, who has
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Speaker 3: called the hop and elbatross around the city's neck and
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Speaker 3: transportation for the unhoused and well healed.
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Speaker 2: That's it.
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Speaker 3: Do you understand what he means by that, You don't
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Speaker 3: the unhoused and the well healed. Well, I'll explain this.
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Speaker 2: I would think you would. You you should. You should know.
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Speaker 3: There's two groups of people that ride on this thing,
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Speaker 3: rich people and homeless people. Coming The homeless people write
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Speaker 3: it because they just sit in the thing all day
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Speaker 3: because it's free and it's I actually was on the
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Speaker 3: thing once or twice after I had my stroke and
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Speaker 3: they told me I couldn't drive for a week. I
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Speaker 3: think I took it like I actually at one point
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Speaker 3: lived on the trolley line. I just said, this thing
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Speaker 3: is just absolutely hilarious. The only person who might actually
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Speaker 3: benefit from this is actually me. Yet not being a
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Speaker 3: non selfish person, I put anyway, it was either really
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Speaker 3: cold or it wasn't cold.
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Speaker 2: It was one of the two.
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Speaker 3: But I mean, street people will sit on there and
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Speaker 3: ride it all day, and the other thing will be
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Speaker 3: people in very very expensive condos and townhouses. Are people
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Speaker 3: who work on the high end business district of downtown Milwaukee.
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Speaker 3: They well, that's so that's the point that Spiker's saying,
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Speaker 3: really really poor people like homeless people, et cetera, or.
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Speaker 2: Well healed.
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Speaker 3: He has railed against the city's free transportation option, especially
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Speaker 3: as the city is on the hook to continue covering
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Speaker 3: expenses built in twenty eighteen. The streetcar system is now
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Speaker 3: expected to have listen to this number a six point
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Speaker 3: nine million dollar operating.
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Speaker 2: Costs for next year. Let's round it up seven million
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Speaker 2: million dollars a year to run this thing. Seven million.
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Speaker 3: According to Mayor Cavalier Johnson's post twenty twenty six budget,
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Speaker 3: the hop is partially sustained by two point seven million
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Speaker 3: dollars in sponsorship, advertising and grant revenue, leaving the city
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Speaker 3: on the hook for roughly four million dollars to keep
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Speaker 3: it continuing, to keep it continue running. Quote, that's four
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Speaker 3: million dollars we don't plan to put forward libraries, four
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Speaker 3: million dollars we don't keep put towards streets. That's four
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Speaker 3: million dollars we don't put toward new fire trucks. And
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Speaker 3: our needs are growing and our status quot is slowly
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Speaker 3: killing us. Then you get the defense of this from
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Speaker 3: the Public Works department. They keep saying the same thing,
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Speaker 3: and it's quasi true. Quasi true means it's true, but
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Speaker 3: it doesn't have to be true. If that isn't what
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Speaker 3: it means. I've just defined it as such and just
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Speaker 3: you're just gonna have to live with it.
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Speaker 2: When you get a.
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Speaker 3: Federal grand for transportation project, you have to continue to
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Speaker 3: use the thing that you got the great for for
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Speaker 3: the transportation or give it back. Did you know that? Well,
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Speaker 3: in fact, this is how they built the They came
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Speaker 3: up with the initial funding. In the first place, they
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Speaker 3: ripped down the city's transit garage garage, and because that
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Speaker 3: was built with a federal grant, they used money from
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Speaker 3: that to be able to build the street car in
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Speaker 3: the first place. That's why the thing runs over to
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Speaker 3: where the Kotour is. Because the cotur was built adjacent
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Speaker 3: to the old city transit garage.
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Speaker 2: It was a reach.
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Speaker 3: But the point that they make is, look, if we
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Speaker 3: stopped doing this, we got to give back the money
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Speaker 3: they gave us to put the track lines in in
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Speaker 3: the first place. That is, in fact quasi true. But
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Speaker 3: I'm just here to tell you that if you went
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Speaker 3: to Ron Johnson and he got the word to President
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Speaker 3: Crumb's people, I think they would be more than happy
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Speaker 3: to tell they don't have to pay the money back
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Speaker 3: for this stupid thing that we shouldn't have done in
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Speaker 3: the first place, because almost everyone who is a conservative
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Speaker 3: thinks that this is stupid and if we can get
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Speaker 3: the thing, just end it and be done with it
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Speaker 3: and walk away. You're never going to get that money
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Speaker 3: back anyway, and otherwise you're simply throwing good money after bad.
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Speaker 3: The story goes on with some alderman trying to defend
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Speaker 3: this Krishki the apartment public gurs does that mean we
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Speaker 3: can't expand it in the future. I'm not going to
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Speaker 3: say no again, holding out this hope that the Democrats
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Speaker 3: will come in and at some point, you know, you'll
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Speaker 3: get a Democratic president and they handed all these federal
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Speaker 3: grants for transit again and they'll be able to run
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Speaker 3: the thing over to the West side, et cetera. And
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Speaker 3: that's always been the defense for any transit project that
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Speaker 3: doesn't work. They build it in, then they say nobody's
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Speaker 3: riding it because it doesn't go anywhere. So then they
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Speaker 3: expand it even further, and they'll say nobody's riding it
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Speaker 3: because it still doesn't go anywhere, And it becomes an
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Speaker 3: argument to put the thing over the entire city of Milwaukee,
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Speaker 3: where still nobody is actually going to ride it. They
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Speaker 3: would prefer the bus because the bus is faster and
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Speaker 3: the bus can go on all sorts of roads, whereas
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Speaker 3: the train can only go where the tracks are. I
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Speaker 3: could go on about this, but I've made the point sufficiently.
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Speaker 3: Now let's go to Wauka Shaw. There is an income
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Speaker 3: poop member of the city council in Wauka Shaw. This
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Speaker 3: story is like ninety percent hilarious and ten percent furious.
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Speaker 3: First of all, the guy's name is Rico Camacho. He
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Speaker 3: sounds like I mean, I was gonna say it sounds
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Speaker 3: like he should be a boxer, but I'm just thinking
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Speaker 3: of Macho Camacho, so that so that maybe it doesn't
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Speaker 3: eat I don't know, it just Rico Camacho.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like an athlete's name, doesn't it. It does.
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Speaker 3: Now some will say, Oh, you're just saying that because
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Speaker 3: it's a Latino sounding name. No, there's all sorts of
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Speaker 3: Latino sounding names. Don't sound particularly athletic. He just sounds
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Speaker 3: But anyway, I don't think he is. I just think
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Speaker 3: he's kind of dumb. He's wandered around in walk A
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Speaker 3: Shaw last week and he sees some guys in uniform
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Speaker 3: running downtown. Now put yourself in the mind of the
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Speaker 3: Paul's never able to do this. He's never able to
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Speaker 3: put himself in the mind of the average addle. That
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Speaker 3: dope be lefty. I have no problems doing it whatsoever.
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Speaker 3: What do you think, he concludes, You have no idea.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you as Ice.
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Speaker 3: He posts on Facebook that Ice is swarming downtown walk
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Speaker 3: a shaw, that there's a raid underway.
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Speaker 2: He's an alderman. Let's start with.
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Speaker 3: If it was Ice, why is a member of a
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Speaker 3: city council of a community that supported Trump.
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Speaker 2: Warning people about it. But that point is literally neither
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Speaker 2: here nor there, because that wasn't Ice.
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Speaker 3: This idiot sees a bunch of people running around in
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Speaker 3: the in uniforms and thought they're Ice. I gotta admit
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Speaker 3: I don't know what a nice uniform looks like because
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Speaker 3: many of the Ice people that I see are playing clothed.
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Speaker 3: I mean, if I saw somebody walking up in a
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Speaker 3: nice uniform, unless I saw the badge and it said
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Speaker 3: Immigrations and Customs and Force, I probably wouldn't know what
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Speaker 3: their color uniform is. It probably is when they're in
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Speaker 3: unicorm it's probably some type of cop colored uniform, which
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Speaker 3: are well, I don't this guy thought they were ICE.
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Speaker 3: It gets even better. They weren't even cops. It was
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Speaker 3: a security firm that was doing a drill. It's the
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Speaker 3: business that's owned by Brian Doro who This is where
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Speaker 3: it actually gets a little weird. He actually at one
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Speaker 3: point worked for ICE. He was in the first Trump administration.
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Speaker 3: He was part of Homelandecurity. But he now owns a
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Speaker 3: business that provides security services, and they provide security services
20:06
Speaker 3: in all sorts of areas including help and protect businesses
20:09
Speaker 3: against you know, threats, et cetera. So they do drill
20:13
Speaker 3: from time to time as well any company that's training
20:16
Speaker 3: their employees.
20:17
Speaker 2: It's all it was. They were just doing a drill.
20:23
Speaker 3: Mike guess is that there isn't a single person in
20:25
Speaker 3: the city of Waukeshaw who thought that this was anything
20:27
Speaker 3: other than what it was, a company doing a practice drill,
20:31
Speaker 3: other than this idiotic, idiotic alderman Rico Camacho. So he
20:36
Speaker 3: finds out that in fact, it wasn't ICE. He apologizes
20:40
Speaker 3: over the weekend and says, I'm sorry that I made
20:43
Speaker 3: this mistake. In fact, I've got the story that walka
20:45
Speaker 3: trip for it, said, like the biggest headline.
20:47
Speaker 2: You can imagine.
20:48
Speaker 3: Alderman apologizes after false ICE alert in downtown Waka Shaw.
20:52
Speaker 3: Security firm employees mistaken for ICE agents. Right now, the
20:57
Speaker 3: story goes on. The Waukeshaw Freeman is reporting today that
21:02
Speaker 3: Camacho is no longer employed as a teacher at Catholic
21:05
Speaker 3: Memorial High School at Waukeshaw. The story then does not
21:09
Speaker 3: have to tail. It's not clear whether or not he
21:11
Speaker 3: was fired or asked to resign, but obviously someone who
21:17
Speaker 3: would make such an incredibly inflammatory statement, and given the
21:21
Speaker 3: fact that we all know that ICE agents are being
21:23
Speaker 3: targeted right now, clearly was putting people's lives at risk
21:28
Speaker 3: by putting this warning out there, and in this instance,
21:30
Speaker 3: putting a warning out for security people who aren't even ICE.
21:35
Speaker 3: So Camacho is no longer a teacher at Catholic Memorial
21:38
Speaker 3: High School. There's another component of this story, though, that
21:40
Speaker 3: I find quite interesting. The city attorney in Waukeshaw. That's
21:47
Speaker 3: an elected position. In some cities, the city attorney is
21:49
Speaker 3: simply a guy you hire. In other cases they contract
21:52
Speaker 3: with a law firm to provide it. But at Waukeshaw.
21:54
Speaker 3: The city attorney's an elected position. His name is Brian Running. First,
22:01
Speaker 3: he told no, he said no officials in Waukeshaw should
22:04
Speaker 3: comment on this, which I always find intriguing when a
22:08
Speaker 3: city attorney tells somebody who's another elected official that they
22:11
Speaker 3: can't talk. I don't think any city official has any
22:14
Speaker 3: obligation to listen to one department head till him the
22:17
Speaker 3: canadon they can't do. But he said he was going
22:18
Speaker 3: to conduct a review, and after his review is concluded,
22:21
Speaker 3: he concluded that this is a statement of personal opinion
22:24
Speaker 3: and not an official warning from the government of Waukeshaw.
22:26
Speaker 2: And he then claimed that.
22:28
Speaker 3: These comments are not subject to the state open records law.
22:31
Speaker 3: I'm sure some people are inquiring about what other posts
22:34
Speaker 3: that he's made out of any number of things, and
22:36
Speaker 3: the city attorneys saying, well, this is his personal opinion.
22:39
Speaker 2: Well, I would think any.
22:41
Speaker 3: Elected official who expresses an opinion, it's a personal opinion.
22:45
Speaker 3: He's an alderman of wauk a Shaw and he was
22:47
Speaker 3: commenting on something going on in walk Ashaw or that
22:50
Speaker 3: he thought that he would So I think perhaps somebody
22:56
Speaker 3: should challenge this and see what other crap this goof
22:59
Speaker 3: is doing on social media. Good thing, there weren't any
23:04
Speaker 3: little kids running around playing cops and robbers. Camacho might
23:07
Speaker 3: have seen them and thought that it was some sort
23:08
Speaker 3: of invasion or something or other. A dope, I mean, seriously,
23:14
Speaker 3: And the only way that this this is, you know,
23:16
Speaker 3: all this weekend, those are the nod King's thing.
23:18
Speaker 2: Ice is just on his head.
23:20
Speaker 3: Remember after nine to eleven, and you know they said
23:23
Speaker 3: if you see something, say something. Everybody who saw a
23:26
Speaker 3: car like idling in front of a house is calling
23:28
Speaker 3: up the police thinking that it was some terrorists.
23:30
Speaker 2: Of the bomb and so on. This is just on
23:32
Speaker 2: the guy's head.
23:33
Speaker 3: He sees somebody in a uniform run it could have
23:35
Speaker 3: been anybody in a uniform. Not to mention, I shouldn't
23:39
Speaker 3: say most lots of security companies, their guards wear uniforms
23:43
Speaker 3: and they look quasi like law enforcement. They're not allowed
23:46
Speaker 3: to do certain things that would be law enforcement. And
23:49
Speaker 3: there's people who are aposts of law enforcement. But lots
23:51
Speaker 3: of security companies will have somebody put on like a
23:54
Speaker 3: uniform that kind of looks like it.
23:55
Speaker 2: So this immediately thinks the ice Ice.
24:02
Speaker 3: Next during the no King's rally in Chicago over the weekend.
24:10
Speaker 3: One speaker got up and called upon the crowd to
24:15
Speaker 3: shoot ICE agents. As it turns out he's been identified.
24:23
Speaker 3: There was way less effort to identify him than to
24:26
Speaker 3: identify the poor woman from Milwaukee who got on the
24:30
Speaker 3: Dodger fan and said, somebody call ICE after he was
24:32
Speaker 3: harassing them. But he's been identified. His name is Mois's
24:39
Speaker 3: Bernald Puentes, and he actually works at Wilbur Wright College,
24:43
Speaker 3: which is a community college in Chicago. So far as
24:48
Speaker 3: we can tell, he has not been fired, which I
24:51
Speaker 3: guess means that if you retort to someone who is
24:56
Speaker 3: Latino who is harassing you and making a jackass out
25:00
Speaker 3: of himself, somebody call ICE, that that is a fireable offense.
25:03
Speaker 3: But if you actually say you should murder Ice, that
25:06
Speaker 3: that is not a fireable offense. You see the standards
25:10
Speaker 3: that are at work here, and why I have some
25:14
Speaker 3: sense of empathy, if not sympathy for the woman who
25:18
Speaker 3: lost her cool and ended up getting canned from a
25:20
Speaker 3: big time job. She was an associate counsel at Manpower
25:24
Speaker 3: for making hurts dam And in the meantime you can
25:26
Speaker 3: run around and say, yeah, I guys to kill people
25:28
Speaker 3: who work for ICE and apparently do that without any
25:31
Speaker 3: consequence whatsoever. Let me move to this story, and this
25:37
Speaker 3: is one of these stories that I've alluded to a
25:39
Speaker 3: couple of times in I always have a sense when
25:42
Speaker 3: things aren't sinking into people. I don't know why that is,
25:46
Speaker 3: but I just have this. Then I look at Paul,
25:48
Speaker 3: and then I think it's sinking into him. But then
25:51
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're the best example of whether
25:53
Speaker 3: or not something some kid do. Obamacare is going to
25:57
Speaker 3: go broke at the end of the year. I've covered
25:59
Speaker 3: this a couple of times, going to cover it again
26:01
Speaker 3: very briefly. The reason it's going to go broke and
26:04
Speaker 3: there are going to have to be massive increases in
26:07
Speaker 3: premiums is when Obamacare was created and then during Biden's
26:13
Speaker 3: administration with COVID. During those two periods of time, massive
26:18
Speaker 3: subsidies by the government were put in place to lower
26:21
Speaker 3: the costs of the premiums for people that were covered
26:23
Speaker 3: under Obamacare, otherwise known as the Affordable Care Act. In
26:27
Speaker 3: both cases, they had an expiration date. The original subsidy
26:32
Speaker 3: expired early in Biden and the Democrats, when they controlled
26:35
Speaker 3: the Congress in Biden's first year extended those subsidies die
26:42
Speaker 3: at the end of the year, meaning the people who
26:46
Speaker 3: are covered under Obamacare are going to see monster increases
26:49
Speaker 3: in their premium unless the Congress and President extend the subsidies. Now,
26:57
Speaker 3: this is an opportunity to say I told you so,
26:59
Speaker 3: but rually not my point here For the people who
27:03
Speaker 3: argue that Obamacare the math never added up and it
27:06
Speaker 3: would always need massive subsidies, despite what Obama said when
27:10
Speaker 3: this came in that it would be a break even proposition,
27:13
Speaker 3: it obviously isn't, and it requires these subsidies or the
27:17
Speaker 3: cause of Obamacare, which is already somewhat high, explodes. Who
27:26
Speaker 3: created Obamacare? This is very important. I'm not sure you
27:32
Speaker 3: all remember Obamacare was passed in I believe fourteen. Who
27:36
Speaker 3: created Obamacare? Well, who else? Obama can't sign a piece
27:43
Speaker 3: of paper and issue at executive order created It was
27:46
Speaker 3: passed by the Democratic Senate in House without a single
27:50
Speaker 3: Republican vote. Do I remember that there wasn't one Republican
27:54
Speaker 3: vote for it. And when the subsidy was passed extended
28:02
Speaker 3: early in Biden, who did that?
28:03
Speaker 2: The Democrats? So now this.
28:06
Speaker 3: Program that was created and then essentially renewed by the Democrats.
28:12
Speaker 3: Is going broke as we knew it would, and they
28:15
Speaker 3: want the Republicans.
28:16
Speaker 2: To bail out the thing they created. You see the.
28:20
Speaker 3: Problem with this Now, I acknowledge the following. We've had
28:28
Speaker 3: Obamacare for ten years and there are people that are
28:29
Speaker 3: dependent upon it, and it will be a hardship for
28:34
Speaker 3: many of them if their premiums explode. I acknowledge that
28:38
Speaker 3: it's not my fault because I said this would happen,
28:40
Speaker 3: but I acknowledge that this problem is here.
28:46
Speaker 2: Senator Mark Wayne Mullen has a very good quote on this.
28:54
Speaker 3: And his position is my position if you have to
28:57
Speaker 3: read between his lines of quote. Dems wrote Obamacare. They
29:02
Speaker 3: passed Obamacare without a single GOP vote. They created the
29:07
Speaker 3: Obamacare COVID credits without a single GOP vote, and they
29:11
Speaker 3: extended those credits and chose a twenty twenty five expiration
29:15
Speaker 3: date with no GOP votes. If the Dems want to
29:19
Speaker 3: discuss their Obamacare failure, we welcome the conversation after they
29:26
Speaker 3: end the Schumer shutdown. First of all, let's deal with
29:31
Speaker 3: the second part of that first. There ain't gonna be
29:34
Speaker 3: any extension of anything as long as the government is
29:36
Speaker 3: shut down, and it's the Democrats that have shut down
29:38
Speaker 3: the government.
29:39
Speaker 2: So let's start right right there.
29:40
Speaker 3: There's no extension of anything and no creation of any
29:43
Speaker 3: new federal funds for anything during the period in which
29:45
Speaker 3: there's a shutdown. But secondly, what else did he say
29:47
Speaker 3: between the lines? Don't worry if you don't know, because
29:50
Speaker 3: I'm here to tell you. I'll read the key line.
29:55
Speaker 3: If Dems want to discuss their Obamacare failure, we welcome
29:58
Speaker 3: the conversation. In other words, I think what Mullin is
30:01
Speaker 3: saying is the Republicans are open and to continuing some
30:05
Speaker 3: of these subsidies, but it means Obamacare is going to
30:08
Speaker 3: be changed. It has been a racket that enriches the
30:15
Speaker 3: insurance companies. And let me tell you the deep dirty seat.
30:19
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's that deep of a secret.
30:21
Speaker 3: Maybe it's commonly known. Obamacare policies are not really good.
30:26
Speaker 3: They cover rezillion things because it's one size fits all,
30:29
Speaker 3: so if you're a male, you have to get a
30:31
Speaker 3: policy that covers pregnancy and so on. They cover lots
30:36
Speaker 3: of things, but the policies themselves have extremely high deductibles.
30:42
Speaker 3: So until you hate your out of pocket maximum. You're
30:45
Speaker 3: paying a lot for your healthcare because the insurance doesn't
30:48
Speaker 3: kick in. One of the problems is is that they
30:54
Speaker 3: don't allow specifically tailored policies under Obamacare so that individuals, employers,
31:01
Speaker 3: and individuals that bio Obamacare under the healthcare marketplace are
31:05
Speaker 3: able to opt out of all sorts of stuff they
31:07
Speaker 3: don't need. You come up with that reform and the
31:10
Speaker 3: policies could become less affordable, But the insurance companies don't
31:14
Speaker 3: want that. Insurance companies love policies that require people to
31:20
Speaker 3: carry coverage for something they will never use. Okay, put
31:23
Speaker 3: yourself in the shoes of the insurance company. Do you
31:25
Speaker 3: want to be Pall's insurance company? Imagine what a crappy
31:29
Speaker 3: operation that would be. You'd never pay out. I'd be
31:33
Speaker 3: on the phone and the line I'd be ringing if
31:37
Speaker 3: your Pall's insurance company. Wouldn't you love to sell health
31:41
Speaker 3: insurance to a man the covered pregnancy. You'd love that
31:44
Speaker 3: because you know there's not any unless you're like redefining man,
31:48
Speaker 3: like these trans people, there's no chance you're ever gonna
31:50
Speaker 3: have to pay it out. So, as I say, if
31:57
Speaker 3: the Democrats want to bail out of this terrible place
32:00
Speaker 3: government policy that they created Obamacare. It's going to have
32:04
Speaker 3: to be with reforms that are put in place by
32:06
Speaker 3: Obamacare that Republicans approve of it. As I say, I acknowledge,
32:11
Speaker 3: if you simply kill Obamacare entirely right now, what are
32:14
Speaker 3: you going to do for all of the people for
32:16
Speaker 3: whom that's been their healthcare for the last eleven years.
32:23
Speaker 3: And I don't think the Trump would be in favor
32:24
Speaker 3: of doing it. But these subsidies are a total It's
32:30
Speaker 3: a massive amount of money that we're kicking in for
32:32
Speaker 3: a program that is constructed idiotically, where you're charging and
32:38
Speaker 3: requiring coverage for healthy twenty six year old people that
32:41
Speaker 3: is identical the coverage of a sickly fifty eight year
32:43
Speaker 3: old person. Let me move to another issue. This is
32:49
Speaker 3: one of those topics that I can do three podcasts on,
32:55
Speaker 3: but I'm going to cover it. This is going to
32:56
Speaker 3: be the Cliff Snodes version of it. This debate's going
32:59
Speaker 3: on in a lot of suburban public schools in fact,
33:03
Speaker 3: and a lot of schools, and some of them private schools.
33:05
Speaker 3: It's going on in fact, just state in a lot
33:07
Speaker 3: of schools, whether or not to continue to allow students
33:13
Speaker 3: to use their cell phones in school.
33:18
Speaker 2: I think it's insane. I think it's.
33:21
Speaker 3: Insane if a kid is sitting in a classroom, the
33:26
Speaker 3: notion that the kid is running around texting, going on Facebook,
33:30
Speaker 3: looking at porn or whatever else they're doing is preposterous.
33:36
Speaker 3: It's a very simple solution to it, ban them, and some.
33:40
Speaker 2: Schools have gotten very, very good at it.
33:42
Speaker 3: What they do is they'll bake you at the beginning
33:45
Speaker 3: of the day, turn your phone in and they put
33:47
Speaker 3: it in like it's a bag or an enclosure or
33:49
Speaker 3: something that you can't get into, and they give it
33:52
Speaker 3: back to you at the end of the day. There's
33:53
Speaker 3: a term for these things, and I forget what it is.
33:55
Speaker 3: Do you know what that term is? Paul says, they
33:58
Speaker 3: call it the cell phone bag. Well, it makes sense.
34:02
Speaker 3: Maybe there isn't other neah, but I've been throw it
34:03
Speaker 3: in the cell phone bag. In the suburbs. There seems
34:07
Speaker 3: to be more blowback to the bands than in the city.
34:11
Speaker 2: No. I know why this is.
34:13
Speaker 3: You have these helicopter moms that apparently feel the need
34:16
Speaker 3: to text to text their children all day when they're
34:19
Speaker 3: at school.
34:19
Speaker 2: I think that's what it is, don't you part? Yes, Well,
34:24
Speaker 2: what other part is it?
34:26
Speaker 1: No?
34:26
Speaker 3: I'm talking about I'm not talking about the student's objections
34:29
Speaker 3: to this. I'm talking about why the parents are of
34:31
Speaker 3: Jeffney to it.
34:32
Speaker 2: That's what it is.
34:33
Speaker 3: Well, in Pewaukee, which is the case that we're going
34:35
Speaker 3: to study here, the school board has wanted to ban
34:37
Speaker 3: cell phones in school and say that you couldn't have
34:40
Speaker 3: them all day.
34:41
Speaker 2: Students screamed, and so did parents scream.
34:45
Speaker 3: That's the parents say, well, what if I have to
34:47
Speaker 3: contact the kid because there's a tragedy, what did you
34:49
Speaker 3: do before we had cell phoods? You call the school's
34:52
Speaker 3: office and the principal tell us little Johnny, Hey, come
34:54
Speaker 3: over here, here we have our disaster or whatever.
35:00
Speaker 2: I mean. There is somewhere a.
35:02
Speaker 3: Happy medium between the child neglect that many children go
35:06
Speaker 3: through and the overparenting that some of these hovering parents do.
35:13
Speaker 3: As for the students objecting, they'll come up with all
35:15
Speaker 3: of this stuff that they want it. We all know
35:17
Speaker 3: what they want to do. And secondly, a big part
35:22
Speaker 3: of the problem that goes on in schools is the
35:24
Speaker 3: cyber bullying that I admit I didn't have to go through,
35:26
Speaker 3: nor Paul had to go through. I mean, you know,
35:29
Speaker 3: when I was kids would pass notes around and all
35:31
Speaker 3: of that stuff. It's far more harmful to past on
35:33
Speaker 3: social media, and it just and people have proven to
35:36
Speaker 3: be far more vile when they've got a phone or
35:38
Speaker 3: a device in their hand than typing something out.
35:40
Speaker 2: It's a problem.
35:42
Speaker 3: So they've reached a compromise in Milwaukee after everybody yelled
35:45
Speaker 3: and screamed, and that is that they can't have the
35:47
Speaker 3: phones during class, but they can have them during the
35:51
Speaker 3: lunch hour and break periods. They can't have them when
35:54
Speaker 3: they're walking in the hallway from one class to another,
35:57
Speaker 3: but there are periods in which they don't have a
35:59
Speaker 3: class scheduled at all, when they have total, if not
36:01
Speaker 3: total free time, more free time like a study hall,
36:04
Speaker 3: of the lunch hour and so on, and they're able
36:06
Speaker 3: to use their phones. Then I can live with this,
36:10
Speaker 3: but I think we have to err on the side
36:11
Speaker 3: of getting these things out of the hands of kids.
36:13
Speaker 3: If you want to be able to teach kids, if
36:15
Speaker 3: a teacher has any ability to control the classroom, they
36:17
Speaker 3: can't have the kids running around doing crap on their phone. Well,
36:20
Speaker 3: the teacher's supposed to be teaching well, and you know
36:25
Speaker 3: that's a separate issue. Many of these schools still have
36:27
Speaker 3: devices that you can use, like the laptops and notebooks
36:30
Speaker 3: for researching someone. This is specifically the phones themselves, which
36:34
Speaker 3: are convenient to do all sorts of things that I
36:36
Speaker 3: think have nothing to do with a good educational environment.
36:41
Speaker 3: And the parents object to this that they want to
36:43
Speaker 3: they want to hear from their kids all day.
36:45
Speaker 2: I mean, give me a break. We had phones.
36:49
Speaker 3: Your daughters were young enough that there were cell phones
36:51
Speaker 3: when they were still in school, right, I don't mean college.
36:53
Speaker 2: I mean like high school. In grade school, they were
36:55
Speaker 2: just kind of like coming into it. So that was
36:57
Speaker 2: too early for they weren't allowed in school then. Yeah,
37:00
Speaker 2: so you'll have to go through this.
37:03
Speaker 3: Now with your grandchildren and so on it and you'll
37:06
Speaker 3: like bother them by talking like an archaic wh I
37:09
Speaker 3: was a kid waiting even have a phone. We had
37:11
Speaker 3: to be like Caliver Douglas and climb the pole. Remember
37:13
Speaker 3: that in Green Acres you had to climb the pole.
37:16
Speaker 3: I I'm old enough that I don't recall anybody having
37:21
Speaker 3: to do that. No, you didn't have to get a signal.
37:23
Speaker 3: You got to climb the pole because they didn't wire
37:25
Speaker 3: the phone to go down into his house.
37:26
Speaker 2: You had to climb to the top of the phone pole.
37:28
Speaker 3: The use you don't remember, Green Acres, you don't remember these,
37:32
Speaker 3: the tails you don't remember. Well, you didn't remember why
37:34
Speaker 3: I had to climb at the top of the pool.
37:35
Speaker 3: They had to climb at the top of the pole
37:36
Speaker 3: because they didn't wire the house for the phe.
37:41
Speaker 2: He was the only one.
37:43
Speaker 3: Everybody else who lived in Hooterville they actually had the
37:45
Speaker 3: phone in their house.
37:46
Speaker 2: Nobody else is climbing to the top of the pole.
37:47
Speaker 3: Only I'll play am I talking about this? This is
37:50
Speaker 3: the Mark Belling podcast. This is the Mark Belling Podcast.
37:57
Speaker 3: The Republican Party in Wisconsin, as we know, it's not united,
38:04
Speaker 3: and as we also know, that's one of the reasons
38:08
Speaker 3: that my side continues to lose a lot of statewide elections.
38:11
Speaker 3: It's not the only reason. A couple of things to
38:15
Speaker 3: talk about here. There are indications that Tim Michaels may
38:21
Speaker 3: be running for governor again. He went to the White
38:24
Speaker 3: House yesterday. It is known that President Trump is not
38:34
Speaker 3: happy with the field so far of Republican candidates for governor.
38:43
Speaker 3: As I've explained, one of the reasons he's unhappy about
38:46
Speaker 3: this is he doesn't want members of the House running
38:49
Speaker 3: for other offices. He's made that clear. He doesn't want
38:56
Speaker 3: Tom Tiffany running for governor. He wants him to run
38:58
Speaker 3: for reelection to the House of repres editives why incumbents
39:03
Speaker 3: have a far better chance of winning an election than
39:06
Speaker 3: a challenger. Trump wants all the Republican inccumbents to run
39:10
Speaker 3: for reelection because he knows that keeping control of the
39:12
Speaker 3: House is going to be very hard. And I don't
39:19
Speaker 3: think that there's much of a chance that Trump is
39:21
Speaker 3: going to endorse Tiffany because he doesn't want Tiffany running
39:23
Speaker 3: for governor, and he really doesn't like the notion that
39:25
Speaker 3: Tiffany's not doing what he's supposed to do, which is
39:27
Speaker 3: what Trump is telling him to do. From the perspective
39:29
Speaker 3: of Tiffany, Okay, Trump's the president, but he's not the
39:33
Speaker 3: boss of my personal life. I want to be the
39:35
Speaker 3: governor of the state of Wisconsin and have a chance
39:36
Speaker 3: to think I have a chance of winning. In addition
39:38
Speaker 3: to that, I believe you don't need Tom Tiffany to
39:43
Speaker 3: keep that House seat. That district is the most Republican
39:46
Speaker 3: district in Wisconsin. Tiffany's district is essentially up North. Almost
39:52
Speaker 3: all of up North except the northwest, a portion of
39:55
Speaker 3: northwestern Wisconsin is Tiffany's district. But basically, and for those
40:00
Speaker 3: of you who don't understand, up North, up North is
40:02
Speaker 3: not the Fox Valley. Up North is up North. It's
40:06
Speaker 3: become a very Republican area. So if Tiffany isn't the candidate,
40:11
Speaker 3: I think they keep the seat. In any event, Trump's
40:14
Speaker 3: not happy with the field. Josh Shouman, the Washington County executive,
40:17
Speaker 3: is also running Showman's People don't like it when I
40:22
Speaker 3: say this, but I don't think many people are very
40:24
Speaker 3: impressed with the campaign that he's shown so far, and
40:26
Speaker 3: they're very skeptical that you can emerge out of a
40:30
Speaker 3: position like Washington County executive and use that as a
40:32
Speaker 3: platform to win the governorship. Trump is close to Michael's.
40:40
Speaker 3: Trump endorsed Michaels when he ran in twenty two. Tim
40:45
Speaker 3: Michaels is a home in Palm Beach, It's not far
40:47
Speaker 3: from mar A Lago. He and Trump are friends. Does
40:53
Speaker 3: that mean that Michael should run for governor? Well, there
40:56
Speaker 3: is this concern I have about somebody running for an
40:59
Speaker 3: office that they lost the last time around. Rarely does
41:02
Speaker 3: that result get reversed. It is possible when you're the challenger,
41:10
Speaker 3: I believe it's never possible when you're in the incumbent.
41:12
Speaker 3: You lose and then try to regain your seat. It
41:14
Speaker 3: just doesn't happen.
41:15
Speaker 2: In Wisconsin. There have been cases, however, of a.
41:18
Speaker 3: Challenge you're running more than once for the position and
41:21
Speaker 3: winning it the second time or the third time around.
41:25
Speaker 3: More importantly, my concern is that we have another contentious,
41:30
Speaker 3: divisive Republican primary. The Democrats police themselves. They have avoided
41:37
Speaker 3: these contentious primaries, so A you don't have the candidates
41:40
Speaker 3: ripping one another and providing all this foddy that can
41:42
Speaker 3: be used against them in a general election. And b
41:44
Speaker 3: they're not wasting their money. We saw the problem in
41:48
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two with the Republicans in which Rebecca Clayfish
41:51
Speaker 3: and Kim Michael spent a fortune trying to knock the
41:54
Speaker 3: other one out of the primary. Well, that's all money
41:57
Speaker 3: that couldn't be spent therefore by Michael's in the general
41:59
Speaker 3: election and second late there were very very hard feelings
42:03
Speaker 3: and the party did not unite and while I blamed
42:06
Speaker 3: the Clayfish people for that, I've also said that if
42:09
Speaker 3: Clayfish won, I think that Michaels' supporters, which was kind
42:12
Speaker 3: of the Tommy Thompson.
42:13
Speaker 2: Wing of the party, they wouldn't be united behind Clayfish.
42:17
Speaker 3: Neither side was able to put their egos aside for
42:21
Speaker 3: the good of the state of Wisconsin. And I fear
42:24
Speaker 3: that the same thing is going to happen again if
42:29
Speaker 3: Michaels does run. There has to be a way, I
42:32
Speaker 3: think of convincing Tiffany to get.
42:33
Speaker 2: Out of the race or vice versa.
42:38
Speaker 3: I think in this instance, Republican leaders need to settle
42:41
Speaker 3: upon a candidate who's going to be supported by the
42:43
Speaker 3: majority of them, or you're on this suicide mission again
42:46
Speaker 3: in which the Democrat. Now there is some indication that
42:49
Speaker 3: Democrats might have their own fight. I think the path
42:53
Speaker 3: is being paved pretty clearly for Sarah Rodriguez to win.
42:56
Speaker 3: Others disagree with me. David Crowley, the Milwaukee County Executive,
42:59
Speaker 3: is run as are about six lefties of Madison. But
43:04
Speaker 3: I think Sarah Rodriguez is going to be the anointed one.
43:08
Speaker 3: Crawley being African American and being the city from the
43:11
Speaker 3: city of Milwaukee. Maybe that gives him a chance. I'm
43:13
Speaker 3: skeptical of that. I think it's Democrats are going to
43:18
Speaker 3: have when they see the polls. Whoever is behind it,
43:20
Speaker 3: June's going to drop out of the race, the same
43:22
Speaker 3: thing that they did with Mandela Barnes Senate race back
43:25
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two as well. In any event, there
43:28
Speaker 3: is this potential here for more Republicans to get into
43:31
Speaker 3: the race, and there could be somebody that isn't Michael's.
43:33
Speaker 3: It isn't Tiffany still jumping into.
43:35
Speaker 2: This thing next.
43:39
Speaker 3: This story has gotten scant coverage in the media, but
43:42
Speaker 3: I'm going to cover it.
43:44
Speaker 2: The treasurer of.
43:45
Speaker 3: The Republican Party of Wisconsin has resigned, and she's resigning
43:49
Speaker 3: by taking a shot at the leadership of the party.
43:51
Speaker 3: And the leadership of the party is Brian Shimming. Her
43:55
Speaker 3: name is Kelly Rue.
43:56
Speaker 2: Are you age? I'm going to read it.
44:00
Speaker 3: I am writing to formally resign my position as Treasurer
44:03
Speaker 3: of the Republican Party of Wisconsin, effective immediately. After careful consideration,
44:07
Speaker 3: I have concluded that I can no longer meaningfully contribute
44:10
Speaker 3: to our party's executive leadership team under the current circumstances.
44:15
Speaker 3: The absence of a strategic plan, defined objectives and measurable outcomes,
44:21
Speaker 3: as well as budgetary issues, have created an environment in
44:25
Speaker 3: which progress is difficult to assess and nearly impossible to achieve.
44:30
Speaker 3: As the saying goes, what gets measured gets done. Unfortunately,
44:35
Speaker 3: without metrics or accountability, it is unclear what we are
44:39
Speaker 3: working toward or what our capacity is to achieve our objective. Now,
44:44
Speaker 3: let me interject, she wants definable metrics. In other words,
44:50
Speaker 3: we're going to raise X amount of dollars in twenty
44:53
Speaker 3: twenty five or in twenty twenty six, we're going to
44:56
Speaker 3: win the governorship and keep the state to keep the
44:58
Speaker 3: State Center and keep the State Assembly.
45:00
Speaker 2: Other Wards, a.
45:01
Speaker 3: Measurement and if it isn't achieved, you dump the people
45:06
Speaker 3: that are in charge. That would be a metric on
45:08
Speaker 3: an accountability, she's saying, they don't have any. And if
45:11
Speaker 3: you don't have any, it's because the people in charge
45:13
Speaker 3: don't want to be accountable if they fail.
45:15
Speaker 2: That's her point that she's making here.
45:17
Speaker 3: Continuing moreover, the internal dynamics of our PW's Publican Party
45:21
Speaker 3: of Wisconsin, particularly the dysfunctional leadership I think that's cruly
45:26
Speaker 3: a shot at shimming. Have made attempts at collaboration increasingly
45:30
Speaker 3: unproductive and discouraging. The Lack of transparency, direction, and respect
45:35
Speaker 3: for different perspectives or even basic board oversight has fostered
45:40
Speaker 3: a culture that is not only ineffective but also absurd.
45:45
Speaker 3: I love my country, my state, and my community. That
45:48
Speaker 3: is why I volunteered my time in the first place.
45:51
Speaker 3: It pains me that the Republican Party of Wisconsin continues
45:54
Speaker 3: to repeat the same mistakes time and again. Well, Kelly,
46:00
Speaker 3: join my club. I've been drawing attention to this for
46:03
Speaker 3: about ten years. The dysfunction in the Republican Party of Wisconsin,
46:10
Speaker 3: the misdirection of funds, the fact that the party is
46:14
Speaker 3: run by a click of Madison types, the fact that
46:18
Speaker 3: they will not get that party headquarters out of Madison
46:23
Speaker 3: and get it into a part of the state of
46:24
Speaker 3: Wisconsin where actual Republicans live.
46:28
Speaker 2: On and on.
46:31
Speaker 3: There is no grassroots organization of the Republican Party of Wisconsin.
46:34
Speaker 3: There's no attempt to raise any money for it. There's
46:37
Speaker 3: no accountability toward anyone. There was zero attempt by the
46:42
Speaker 3: Republican leadership of the state to stop Dan Kelly from
46:44
Speaker 3: losing another state Supreme Court seat. They're not any good
46:50
Speaker 3: at any of these things, and they've been tuned up
46:53
Speaker 3: by the majority of Republican voters, and they've lost sense
46:55
Speaker 3: of what their mission is. Their mission is grassroots organizing, fundraising,
46:59
Speaker 3: and get out of the vote. It is not sitting on
47:02
Speaker 3: your fat butt in an office in Madison hanging out
47:05
Speaker 3: with all your lefty buddies who work across the street
47:08
Speaker 3: at the Capitol. Anyway, back to Kelly Rue's piece, recent
47:13
Speaker 3: election results in Wisconsin are clear. If URPW does not
47:16
Speaker 3: drastically change its approach to everything leadership, fundraising, messaging, organizing,
47:21
Speaker 3: addressing issues that Wisconsin I's care about, then it will
47:24
Speaker 3: plan no role in deciding our state's future as a Conservative.
47:27
Speaker 3: This greatly disappoints me, but it is clear that the
47:30
Speaker 3: required change is not likely to come from rpw's current leadership.
47:34
Speaker 3: I appreciate the opportunity to have served with our PW
47:37
Speaker 3: over the past decade. My sincere hope is that those
47:40
Speaker 3: who remain in positions of authority will institute the critical
47:44
Speaker 3: changes that must be made to our party. Regards Kelly Rue,
47:47
Speaker 3: that's her resignation letter is treasurer of the Republican Party
47:50
Speaker 3: of Wisconsin. In the meantime, the story in js online
47:54
Speaker 3: today that I think is a week behind, but it's
47:56
Speaker 3: in there. It's by Laurence Andrea, who has been reporting
47:59
Speaker 3: on the internal fight between Turning Point. That's the organization
48:05
Speaker 3: founded by Charlie Kirk and the Republican Party of Wisconsin.
48:09
Speaker 3: Turning Point is doing all the things the Republican Party isn't. A.
48:12
Speaker 3: It's attracting tons of volunteers, B, it has a huge
48:15
Speaker 3: budget in his paid staff. C. It's organizing in the grassroots. D.
48:20
Speaker 3: It's walking up to human beings and persuading them to
48:23
Speaker 3: vote and telling them which way to vote. All the
48:26
Speaker 3: things the Democrats have been doing forever and ever and
48:28
Speaker 3: ever that the Republicans are incapable of doing. In the process,
48:31
Speaker 3: Turning Point has been trying to get its people in
48:34
Speaker 3: charge of a number of the local chapters of the
48:36
Speaker 3: Republican Party, and the Republican Party leadership doesn't like it.
48:41
Speaker 3: But the story goes on and dissects the current relationship here.
48:45
Speaker 3: The Milwaukee County Republican Party has been I'll saying, kind
48:50
Speaker 3: of taken over by Turning Point. Hilario DeLeon, who is
48:54
Speaker 3: the chair of the Republican Party of Milwaukee County, is
48:57
Speaker 3: in fact a volunteer for Turning Point, and he's been
49:00
Speaker 3: critical of the statewide organization, and he's becoming one of
49:02
Speaker 3: the Turning Point people that is criticizing or at least
49:06
Speaker 3: raising questions about the poor priorities of the Republican Party
49:09
Speaker 3: of the state of Wisconsin. The story says that a
49:12
Speaker 3: lot of state Republicans think that, well, Turning Point's good
49:16
Speaker 3: at working with young people, but they can't do this,
49:17
Speaker 3: that and the other thing. In Turning Points, you keep
49:20
Speaker 3: its focus on converting young people to vote for Republicans. Well,
49:24
Speaker 3: that should be their focus, but I think the Turning
49:27
Speaker 3: Point has ambitions of being larger than that. And I
49:31
Speaker 3: think that the Charlie Kirk ideology, and hopefully it will
49:34
Speaker 3: carry through now that he's no longer with us, in
49:36
Speaker 3: which you have to meet people change their minds, and
49:39
Speaker 3: the likeliest person whose mind can be changed as a
49:42
Speaker 3: younger person because they don't have thirty or forty years
49:44
Speaker 3: of buying into this leftist clap trap, is the way
49:50
Speaker 3: to succeed. I have tried for several years to get
49:55
Speaker 3: pressure to change the Republican Party of Wisconsin.
49:58
Speaker 2: I have not succeeded.
50:00
Speaker 3: However, the donor base has voted with its checkbooks. They're
50:03
Speaker 3: giving money to individual candidates, and they're giving money to
50:06
Speaker 3: independent political organizations, but they're not giving money to the
50:09
Speaker 3: state Republican Party because they don't believe it is being
50:11
Speaker 3: well spent. The twenty six election is fast approaching. I
50:18
Speaker 3: think that the state Supreme Court race next spring is
50:21
Speaker 3: a long shot at best. We now do have a candidate,
50:24
Speaker 3: Maria Lazarre is running. She's running against another left wing,
50:30
Speaker 3: lunatic judge from Madison, Chris Taylor. Our side has shown
50:33
Speaker 3: no ability to win these state Supreme Court elections. The
50:36
Speaker 3: governor's election of the state legislative elections are in the
50:39
Speaker 3: fall of next year twenty six, and those are critical,
50:42
Speaker 3: and those are ones in which the Republicans I think
50:44
Speaker 3: of a clear chance of winning because the Democrats have
50:48
Speaker 3: gone nuts, and in a state like Wisconsin, Democrats running
50:54
Speaker 3: for statewide office do not want to run well having
50:58
Speaker 3: to defend the policies of Mandani AOC, Bernie Sanders, and
51:01
Speaker 3: those other left wing cooks that have alienated the majority
51:04
Speaker 3: of the people in regular Old America, including regular world Wisconsin,
51:08
Speaker 3: which creates this opening, but the opening is again.
51:12
Speaker 2: Going to be missed.
51:15
Speaker 3: There are two things critical in winning elections. A you
51:21
Speaker 3: have to get all of your people, not most of them,
51:23
Speaker 3: all of your people to vote, and B you have
51:25
Speaker 3: to raise money. The Democrats have mastered this in part
51:31
Speaker 3: they have way more billionaires than our side has. Just truth,
51:34
Speaker 3: the whole tech thing, the mass vast majority of them
51:38
Speaker 3: are lefties, the sorrows thing. They've got all of that,
51:41
Speaker 3: and they've taken advantage of mailan voting and all of
51:44
Speaker 3: these other changes in voting rules to get almost all
51:48
Speaker 3: of their people to vote in almost all of the
51:50
Speaker 3: elections that we have. In the meantime, it is not
51:54
Speaker 3: hunky doryan Democratville. Let's start with the optics of No
52:03
Speaker 3: Kings Clay Travis, half of Clay and Buck. It's about
52:08
Speaker 3: forty seconds here. He was on Jesse Watts showing I'm
52:11
Speaker 3: gonna quote him. I could play the cut here, but
52:15
Speaker 3: Paul begged me not to give him any additional work,
52:17
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna read what it is that he
52:18
Speaker 3: had to say that that's not true. It's short enough
52:23
Speaker 3: that I'm just gonna read what Clay said. The party,
52:30
Speaker 3: the Democrats. The party has lost touch with mainstream America,
52:33
Speaker 3: particularly younger generations, and risks becoming a relic of the past.
52:38
Speaker 3: The Democrats emphasis on identity politics, elite driven policies, and
52:42
Speaker 3: performative activism. Let me pause, what does that mean? Performative activity?
52:46
Speaker 3: That means just dressing up.
52:48
Speaker 2: And showing up.
52:48
Speaker 3: And the whole point of holding your rally is look
52:51
Speaker 3: at me with my pink and blue hair and women
52:55
Speaker 3: with the hairy arm pitts say, you know, running around
52:57
Speaker 3: with your trans signs.
52:58
Speaker 2: And it's performative. That's the term for.
53:00
Speaker 3: Back to Clay's common and performative activism has alienated working
53:05
Speaker 3: class voters and independence. As social media amplifies these moments, KeyPoint.
53:11
Speaker 3: See everybody saw these no Kings things because a they're
53:15
Speaker 3: videoing themselves and be Conservatives.
53:17
Speaker 2: Are videoing all of them.
53:19
Speaker 3: As social media amplifies these moments, the viral cryps of
53:23
Speaker 3: cringeworthy protests, the party's image suffers further. With Trump back
53:28
Speaker 3: in the White House, Republicans are capitalizing on the moment,
53:32
Speaker 3: portraying themselves as the party of strength, freedom and fun.
53:39
Speaker 3: I think that's a very good analysis. In the meantime,
53:43
Speaker 3: this piece it appeared in The Hill. The Hill is
53:48
Speaker 3: a website that covers Congress. It's not a conservative site.
53:55
Speaker 3: They are quoting without not by name, without attribution, moderate
54:00
Speaker 3: Democrats in the Congress who say that they want to
54:05
Speaker 3: vote to end the shutdown, but they're terrified of doing so.
54:10
Speaker 3: We know who they're terrified of. Again, this is being
54:13
Speaker 3: reported on the Hill, and I'm going to read here.
54:15
Speaker 2: A brief portion of the report.
54:17
Speaker 3: People are going to get hammered if they vote for
54:19
Speaker 3: the House pass bill to reopen the government and keep
54:23
Speaker 3: it funded through November twenty first, said one Democratic senator
54:26
Speaker 3: who requested anonymity. Centri Senators are fearful of breaking with
54:31
Speaker 3: leaders while party activists are planning the anti Trump rallies.
54:35
Speaker 3: Democratic strategists say the main driver of the political fear
54:39
Speaker 3: within the Democratic caucus is online fundraising, which is largely
54:44
Speaker 3: driven by social media. In other words, they're fearful of this.
54:47
Speaker 3: A Democrat who votes for the House bill to end
54:50
Speaker 3: the shutdown will be targeted with opposition. Somebody's going to
54:56
Speaker 3: run against them in a primary, and that primary opponent
54:59
Speaker 3: will raise a f fortune nationally online from these lefties
55:03
Speaker 3: who don't want anything other than socialists Mamdanni types AOCS
55:09
Speaker 3: in the Congress. So you have Democrats, who, I think
55:14
Speaker 3: now that nol Kings is over, want to reopen the government,
55:19
Speaker 3: but they're terrified of the left wing LUNs that are
55:22
Speaker 3: driving their party. There's an editorial that appeared yesterday in
55:26
Speaker 3: the Wall Street Journal Mamdani and the Democrats. First of all,
55:29
Speaker 3: ma'm Donni's gonna win. He's got to be the mayor
55:31
Speaker 3: of New York, which is a terrible thing for this country.
55:35
Speaker 3: But some Republicans think it might be good for the
55:37
Speaker 3: Republicans in twenty six because the crisis in New York
55:41
Speaker 3: will be immediate and it will be a walking advertisement
55:44
Speaker 3: to voters all over America to not vote for these
55:47
Speaker 3: Democrats in twenty six. That's the backdrop the editorial for
55:50
Speaker 3: the Wall Street Journal. Democrats have a problem, and we
55:53
Speaker 3: don't mean Donald Trump. The arguably bigger danger is the
55:58
Speaker 3: socialist insurgency building in their own party, and the latest
56:01
Speaker 3: test of their resistance is candidate Zoraon Mumdani and New
56:05
Speaker 3: York City's mayor race. Republicans might want to hold off
56:08
Speaker 3: on the gloating the thirty three year old Mamdani is
56:11
Speaker 3: leading in the race, having won the Democratic primary as
56:14
Speaker 3: a proud member of the Democratic Socialists of America. Andrew Cuomo,
56:17
Speaker 3: who lost in the primary, is running as an independent
56:19
Speaker 3: and has has closed the polling gap since Mayor Eric
56:23
Speaker 3: Adams left the race, but it remains in double digits.
56:26
Speaker 3: The story then goes on and discusses the radicalism of
56:29
Speaker 3: Mundani and how while it may play among some younger
56:34
Speaker 3: voters and may get him elected in an overwhelmingly liberal
56:39
Speaker 3: city like America, is the kind of thing that has
56:42
Speaker 3: driven mainstream middle Americans who may have leaned Democratic in
56:48
Speaker 3: the past away from the party. I'll point out there's
56:51
Speaker 3: almost nothing in this type of socialism for African Americans,
56:55
Speaker 3: and there isn't much for a lot of Latinos, those
56:58
Speaker 3: are primarily working clas last parts of the American economy
57:02
Speaker 3: and the voter base. You see very little support for, say,
57:05
Speaker 3: the trans movement in the African American communities, and when
57:10
Speaker 3: you see the focus on these kinds of niche elitist issues,
57:16
Speaker 3: it's created this opening for Trump and the Republicans to
57:20
Speaker 3: go after them, and the farther the Democrats move themselves
57:23
Speaker 3: to the left in cities like New York, the easier
57:25
Speaker 3: it is for someone running for, say, governor of Wisconsin,
57:31
Speaker 3: to link the Democrat in their state.
57:36
Speaker 2: To that crowd.
57:39
Speaker 3: When we come back after the break, I'm going to
57:42
Speaker 3: explain something to you, and it's something that includes a
57:46
Speaker 3: story that at least has some negative connotations for Milwaukee.
57:49
Speaker 3: This is the Mark Belling podcast. This is the Mark
57:55
Speaker 3: Belling podcast. Story in the Wall Street Journal, most and
57:58
Speaker 3: Cores says it's going to cut about nine percent of
58:02
Speaker 3: its America's workforce. America's means not just the United States,
58:07
Speaker 3: our hemisphere, nine percent, Molsencore's owns Miller, et cetera. Many
58:14
Speaker 3: of the jobs that are going to be eliminated are
58:16
Speaker 3: salaried positions as opposed to production line people. The story
58:20
Speaker 3: goes into all of the reasons that it's going on.
58:22
Speaker 3: They want to focus on their growth areas of their
58:24
Speaker 3: business and perhaps orphan off the stuff that isn't growing,
58:27
Speaker 3: et cetera.
58:29
Speaker 2: But the bigger backdrop to this is.
58:33
Speaker 3: Beer consumption in America is declining, and in fact, last
58:38
Speaker 3: year there was a decline in overall alcohol consumption. This
58:44
Speaker 3: is something that if you go back twenty or twenty
58:45
Speaker 3: five years, you just would not have predicted it. In fact,
58:48
Speaker 3: in fact, one of the the alcohol industry has always
58:53
Speaker 3: been thought to be kind of recession proof. No matter
58:57
Speaker 3: what the economy is, people are going to drink, and
59:01
Speaker 3: as the population grows, there's more potential drinkers. The drinking
59:05
Speaker 3: in the American culture were just linked that it was
59:07
Speaker 3: the ultimate slow growth industry. Never have great, huge growth
59:12
Speaker 3: because most Americans already drink. So how do you create
59:14
Speaker 3: Do you have fifteen percent growth?
59:16
Speaker 2: You can't.
59:17
Speaker 3: But the slow and steady growth just seem to be
59:19
Speaker 3: an inevitability. So what's going on here? Well, I know
59:24
Speaker 3: what's going on in pulse are the same thing. There's
59:28
Speaker 3: so many people that are using pot in its various
59:31
Speaker 3: forms and pills that they're getting their buzz that way
59:35
Speaker 3: rather than from alcohol. This creates I suppose the argument
59:41
Speaker 3: of what's better or what's worse, And my answer has
59:45
Speaker 3: always man, it depends. If you become addicted to alcohol,
59:50
Speaker 3: your life can become a mess. Drunk driving, ruining your life,
59:56
Speaker 3: behavioral changes, becoming a terrible employ all of the stuff,
1:00:01
Speaker 3: you know, being a mean person. Among the ramifications of
1:00:07
Speaker 3: alcohol is and particularly if you're the kind of drunk
1:00:09
Speaker 3: whose personality changes for the worst after drinking. On the
1:00:16
Speaker 3: other hand, the overwhelming majority of people who drink do
1:00:20
Speaker 3: so in a benign fashion, and I think only a
1:00:23
Speaker 3: tiny fraction of people who drink ever become addicted. To me,
1:00:27
Speaker 3: it's just obvious that marijuana is far more addictive than
1:00:31
Speaker 3: alcohol is most people who drink alcohol, other than those
1:00:37
Speaker 3: who I think have an addiction problem. You know, okay,
1:00:39
Speaker 3: you're not going to drink this We go, okay, fine,
1:00:40
Speaker 3: I won't drink that week. They can somehow survive that.
1:00:44
Speaker 3: When you tell a pot head that they can't use
1:00:46
Speaker 3: pot in a given week, they'll freak out. Now, imagine
1:00:49
Speaker 3: if it's something stronger than that, if it's the meth
1:00:51
Speaker 3: and the phenotol and everything else. The next part, all
1:00:55
Speaker 3: this stuff costs money. Whatever money you're spending on pot,
1:00:58
Speaker 3: whatever money you're spending on fetanola, that everybody you're spending
1:01:01
Speaker 3: on meth is money that you can't spend.
1:01:02
Speaker 2: A Miller lite. As the drugs have become.
1:01:07
Speaker 3: More pervasive, and in particular, as the pot has become legalized.
1:01:11
Speaker 3: And don't think for a moment that legalization of pot
1:01:13
Speaker 3: doesn't increase use.
1:01:15
Speaker 2: Of course it does.
1:01:17
Speaker 3: There are people who did not use pot because they
1:01:20
Speaker 3: didn't want to be busted and go to jail and
1:01:22
Speaker 3: lose their reputation and so on. But once it becomes legal,
1:01:25
Speaker 3: that stigma's gone. Secondly, when pot was illegal, you'd have
1:01:29
Speaker 3: to buy it from people on the street and all
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Speaker 3: of that stuff. Walking into a dispensary and doing something
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Speaker 3: that's perfectly legal eliminates that stigma. So I think that's
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Speaker 3: the simple explanation for what's going on with the alcohol industry.
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Speaker 3: Whether or not it's good or bad, it is I
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Speaker 3: think undeniably.
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Speaker 2: What's happening. One of these years, I'll get out of
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Speaker 2: this whole Kradom thing. Do you know about this? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I see one of these years.
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Speaker 3: It's one of those topics that if I ever have
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Speaker 3: a show in which I can't think of anything to do,
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Speaker 3: it's a good one to be able to do. But
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Speaker 3: I never have any of those days where I can't
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Speaker 3: think of anything to do. You like, see it at
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Speaker 3: gas stations and you'll see that if the place sell,
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Speaker 3: here's the rule on it. If the place sell, it
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Speaker 3: sells it it will always be in huge letters on
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Speaker 3: the window there's nobody that sells it that doesn't have
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Speaker 3: it all over their thing, because apparently there are people
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Speaker 3: that seek it out and look.
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Speaker 2: To buy it.
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Speaker 3: I just I should like tease it and say I'm
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Speaker 3: going to do it in a future podcast and get
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Speaker 3: people to listen every day for the next thirty seven years,
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Speaker 3: hoping that that'll be the that I actually bring up the.
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Speaker 2: Why are you thinking that this You don't even know
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Speaker 2: what it does for you. I just hear.
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Speaker 3: I believe it is kratum. I should look that up
1:02:53
Speaker 3: before I just give that out there. I've ever used it.
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Speaker 3: I just heard people say, and I see the signs
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Speaker 3: and gas stations. It's in the area of quasi illgality.
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Speaker 3: You know, if something isn't specifically illegal, that means it's legal.
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Speaker 3: The same thing with like the designer pot that they've
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Speaker 3: come up with, and that's not what that is. But
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Speaker 3: for example, you didn't if you don't read a law
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Speaker 3: that says that fake pot isn't illegal, that means it's legal.
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Speaker 3: You have to say a specific thing. So people, it's
1:03:18
Speaker 3: the same thing with the you know, the steroids in
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Speaker 3: sports and so on. You beat all of these steroids,
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Speaker 3: well then somebody in a lab in vins a new
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Speaker 3: type of steroid that isn't on the specified list and
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Speaker 3: you use it until you go ahead and you Paul says,
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Speaker 3: the thc celser's are the big things in the verbs. Yes,
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Speaker 3: they probably put a big sign on the window saying
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Speaker 3: that that is what they have in there. Then too,
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Speaker 3: that's when you could tell that there's a demand for something.
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Speaker 3: As I say, that was my whole thing on the
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Speaker 3: create on that you put in a big sign on
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Speaker 3: the E sign on the window. Paul would like to
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Speaker 3: discuss this with other people. So if any of you
1:03:51
Speaker 3: are further interested in further exploring this, Paul has a
1:03:53
Speaker 3: high level of curiosity, and you can contact Cam and
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Speaker 3: I'm sure he'd be happy to engage.
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Speaker 2: On you at.
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Speaker 3: Great length. See, some people are just into explore. They're
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Speaker 3: experimenting and all of that stuff.
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Speaker 2: That's their whole thing. Do you know what I want
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Speaker 2: to experiment in? Nothing, whatever it is I already do.
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Speaker 2: That's enough stuff for me to do.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to try anything new in any area
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Speaker 3: of life.
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Speaker 2: Bye.
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