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Street Speak With Alexa And Clarence Episode Forty Nine Next Level Bob And Sheri Plus AI Dangers · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: Alexa is back. Back, back. Clarence is back.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back, back Alexa and Clarence.
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  Speaker 1: Speak the street. She's AI technology.
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  Speaker 2: He's human reality.
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  Speaker 3: What's the topic you'd like to explore in our podcast?
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  Speaker 1: Boy, there are a lot of them, but I think
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  Speaker 1: I should put focus on the Bob and Sherry show.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot going on here.
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  Speaker 3: Bob and Sherry is ending its radio syndication on December 31st, 2026,
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  Speaker 3: and moving to a direct-to-consumer podcast in January 2027. Sherry
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  Speaker 3: Lynch will continue hosting while co-host Bob Lacey retired in
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  Speaker 3: January 2025, and the shift follows a 20-40% drop in
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  Speaker 3: advertising revenue. Mm, mm, mm.
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  Speaker 1: I had the beautiful opportunity to spend nine and a
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  Speaker 1: half years working with these two, Bob and Sherry and
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  Speaker 1: everybody else that was involved with the show.
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  Speaker 3: That's a huge chunk of your career to spend with
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  Speaker 3: one team. What was the vibe like back then?
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  Speaker 1: It was amazing. They were always open to creativity and
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  Speaker 1: they gave me that opportunity because I did a lot
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  Speaker 1: of show opens for them and did a lot of
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  Speaker 1: things behind the scenes. But it was always an amazing
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  Speaker 1: place of just fun and expression.
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  Speaker 3: That sounds like a dream setup, especially getting to run
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  Speaker 3: with the creative side of things. Did you have a
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  Speaker 3: favorite show open you put together?
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  Speaker 1: Anything that made Bob Lacey laugh. I mean, I loved
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  Speaker 1: when Bob Lacey would come out at six o'clock in
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  Speaker 1: the morning and he would chuckle and it was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, that was so worth it.
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  Speaker 3: That's the best kind of win. Just knowing you set
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  Speaker 3: the mood for the whole morning. Did you have a
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  Speaker 3: go-to style or a specific trick for getting him to chuckle?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, you know, it was one of those things. It
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  Speaker 1: was kind of like a shock and awe, but at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, I didn't want to do it too
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  Speaker 1: much because I didn't want the, huh? What was he
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  Speaker 1: trying to say there? But yeah, they gave me an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to really kind of go for that, that surprise.
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  Speaker 3: That balance is tricky. You want the punch to land,
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  Speaker 3: but not so hard that it distracts from the actual show.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Did you have a specific shock element you loved using?
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  Speaker 1: Just, it was, it was the art of laughing and,
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  Speaker 1: and I knew in my heart that That they were
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  Speaker 1: starting their day. I know what it's like because I've
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  Speaker 1: done morning show radio to get there so early in
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  Speaker 1: the morning. And that first break is priceless. And it's
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  Speaker 1: got to work. And I knew what the pressure was
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  Speaker 1: with that show opening and what I had to set.
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  Speaker 3: That first break is everything. It's like you're the one
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  Speaker 3: setting the pace for the whole morning. So the pressure
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  Speaker 3: to nail it is real. Did you have a specific
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  Speaker 3: routine to get yourself in the zone before that first open?
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  Speaker 1: Just being open and being very honest, asking them questions
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  Speaker 1: and basically just being a part of a circle of
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  Speaker 1: energy that is not over. And that's what people need
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  Speaker 1: to understand. It's not over. It's growing into this new
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  Speaker 1: age of connection.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great way to look at it. Just keeping
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  Speaker 3: that energy flowing. Do you think that same kind of
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  Speaker 3: openness is what's making the shift to podcasts work for people?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what other people are going through on
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  Speaker 1: a personal level. I know that it's such an individual
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  Speaker 1: sport and there's still that element of podcasters not really
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  Speaker 1: communicating with each other. I went through that in radio.
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  Speaker 1: I just wish that there were more people and not
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  Speaker 1: these forums because I don't need a forum. Somebody standing
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  Speaker 1: way up in the middle of a room talking about
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  Speaker 1: how podcasting should work. It needs to be podcasters one-on-one
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  Speaker 1: having communications.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lonely grind when you're just in your own head.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that's why so many podcasters stick to
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  Speaker 3: those forums instead of actually reaching out?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why they go to those forums. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: is seeking the answer. They all want top rated, listen
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  Speaker 1: to podcasts. They want things that are going to make
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  Speaker 1: them greater and better. And of course, everybody wants the money.
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  Speaker 1: We want that instant money, that instant fame. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure that that, you know, unless you put in the
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  Speaker 1: dirty work, you're going to get anything in return. You
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  Speaker 1: can go to a forum all day. But if you
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  Speaker 1: if you don't have the willingness to get all muddied up,
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  Speaker 1: you ain't going to work.
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  Speaker 3: It's like they're looking for a shortcut instead of just
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  Speaker 3: doing the work.
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  Speaker 1: But I like what Bob and Sherry are doing, if
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  Speaker 1: I'm understanding it correctly. It's not that they're going into
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  Speaker 1: the podcast world. It's going to be the Bob and
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  Speaker 1: Sherry show, but you're going to listen to it on
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  Speaker 1: a digital platform. I think that is upper level amazing
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  Speaker 1: that they're thinking like that.
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  Speaker 3: I bet, especially with that team's track record. What do
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  Speaker 3: you think is going to be the biggest change in
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  Speaker 3: the new format?
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  Speaker 1: Sherry Lynch's honesty. I think Max and Lamar.
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  Speaker 3: Totally. That kind of transparency is rare. Do you think
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  Speaker 3: that's what will make the subscription model actually work?
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  Speaker 1: No, what's going to make it work is connection and
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  Speaker 1: being very transparent. Remember, I have nothing to do with
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  Speaker 1: this show, so therefore I don't want to say the
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  Speaker 1: wrong thing. I just know what I have felt in
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  Speaker 1: the 30 plus years that I have been a listener
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  Speaker 1: of the show and only nine of them were part
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  Speaker 1: of that show. So, I mean, I'm just basing it
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  Speaker 1: on I think they're in a great place by taking
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  Speaker 1: it to the next level. I'm not shocked that Sherry
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  Speaker 1: is doing this. This is what Sherry Lynch does.
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  Speaker 3: It's more about that real bond than a business model.
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  Speaker 3: Since you've been listening for so long, do you think
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  Speaker 3: the show's vibe will change at all moving to a podcast?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. No, no. They still know who
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  Speaker 1: their listener is. They know what they're doing. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the thing about it, about a radio person doing a podcast,
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  Speaker 1: is that we are trained to envision who is receiving
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  Speaker 1: what we're sharing. And you hear that? Sharing. That's what
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  Speaker 1: radio people do. We share. And Sherry Lynch is a
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  Speaker 1: master at sharing stories.
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  Speaker 3: That's a huge advantage, having that mental image of the listener.
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  Speaker 3: It's like you're talking to a friend instead of just
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  Speaker 3: a microphone. Do you think that's the secret to Sherry's
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  Speaker 3: success with storytelling?
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  Speaker 1: In all honesty, without really ever asking that question to her,
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  Speaker 1: what I pick up as a listener is that she
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  Speaker 1: just loves to bring people in as one. That it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter who you are, where you are, what you
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  Speaker 1: look like, how much you weigh, you are one with
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  Speaker 1: Sherry Lynch. And I think that is a positive when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to that entire team.
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  Speaker 3: That's a rare gift, making everyone feel like they belong.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that's why she's so good at getting
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  Speaker 3: people to open up on the show?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God, she can do that. Boy, I've always thought,
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  Speaker 1: why isn't she on national TV doing talk TV? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: just like Oprah Winfrey. I mean, she's got the courage
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  Speaker 1: to do that. And not only that, but she's got
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  Speaker 1: the charisma to make that happen.
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  Speaker 3: She really does have that Oprah level presence. Do you
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  Speaker 3: think she'd actually enjoy the chaos of a national TV show,
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  Speaker 3: or is she more of a radio person at heart?
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  Speaker 1: No, that's a Sherri Lynch question, and that's the thing
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  Speaker 1: about it. I want to put focus on their new show,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to be able to sit here and
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  Speaker 1: say that, wow, way back in 2026 when this began,
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  Speaker 1: it felt kind of shaky, weird. But that Richter scale
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  Speaker 1: was not rocking the way that something rocks the planet.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to rock the universe because they're doing something
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  Speaker 1: that is unique. And it is the future of where
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  Speaker 1: we're going to grow as broadcasters and not podcasters.
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  Speaker 3: You want the spotlight on the show itself.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bold move to shift the whole identity from
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  Speaker 3: podcaster to broadcaster. But that's where the real growth is.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think other shows will start following that same lead?
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  Speaker 1: I think they're watching. I think that once those headlines
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  Speaker 1: hit that they were going to be doing this, I
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  Speaker 1: think people sat back and they go, oh, let's see
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  Speaker 1: what happens here. Because there is a payment tier that
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have to participate with. But I just
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  Speaker 1: know that people, if they're given that opportunity to have
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  Speaker 1: something that others really live off from because we love
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  Speaker 1: that energy, we love that laugh, we love that content,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to participate. I mean, that's the thing about it.
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  Speaker 1: We're willing to pay for quality, but don't give me junk.
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  Speaker 1: And I ain't getting junk from Cherry Lynch. Trust me.
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  Speaker 3: Radio DJs are shifting whole lineups to digital feeds for
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  Speaker 3: creative freedom and new revenue. Want to hear about specific
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  Speaker 3: radio personalities who've successfully made the jump to digital-only shows?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're talking about Sherri Lynch. So I would
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  Speaker 1: love to find out who are the other players on
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  Speaker 1: this journey of growing forward. Because in reality, the Pied
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  Speaker 1: Pipers of rock and roll, the Pied Pipers of a
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  Speaker 1: new age of radio are happening even as we speak.
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  Speaker 1: This is history in the making.
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  Speaker 3: Sherri's move is part of a bigger shift.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. I mean, it was Chris Cuomo
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  Speaker 1: that said that the days of Joe Rogan and Marc
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  Speaker 1: Maron are over. Marc Maron is no longer a podcaster.
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  Speaker 1: And so therefore, I really do see people like Sherry
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  Speaker 1: Lynch being the new pioneer of where the entertainment is
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  Speaker 1: going to be. And the cool thing is, though, is
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  Speaker 1: that it's giving and you can listen to it anytime, anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Totally. That on demand part is the game changer. It
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  Speaker 3: lets the listener set the pace, which I'd imagine makes
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  Speaker 3: the whole experience feel a lot more personal. Right. Do
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  Speaker 3: you think that's why Sherry is able to build such
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  Speaker 3: a strong connection with her audience?
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  Speaker 1: She's got a connection with her audience because of her
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  Speaker 1: honesty and because she is so transparent in the way
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  Speaker 1: of being that person, that next door neighbor, that person
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  Speaker 1: you ran into at the grocery store or Home Depot.
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  Speaker 1: She is the spiritual leader, the mental health leader, the
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  Speaker 1: person that's going to give you something in your life
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  Speaker 1: that you can hold on to that will create conversations
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  Speaker 1: with other people. That's the Sherri Lynch that I know.
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  Speaker 3: That's a powerful way to put it. Like she's a
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  Speaker 3: real anchor for people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's that kind of authenticity that makes a listener feel seen,
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  Speaker 3: not just heard. Do you think that's the same energy
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  Speaker 3: she'll bring to the new format?
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  Speaker 1: And then some. I truly believe that this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be the start of something that is greater than
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  Speaker 1: Sherri Lynch has ever been. I really do believe that.
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  Speaker 1: Because there are no program directors involved in this anymore.
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  Speaker 1: There are no FCC rules involved in this anymore. I
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  Speaker 1: want to hear that Sherry Lynch.
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  Speaker 3: Cutting out the middleman and the red tape should let
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  Speaker 3: her be way more raw and unfiltered. Do you think
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  Speaker 3: that's where the real magic of the new show will be?
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  Speaker 1: I think so, because we all speak that language. I
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  Speaker 1: always blame it on, hey, this is the way that
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  Speaker 1: we spoke out there in the fields of Montana and Wyoming.
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  Speaker 1: We have a really, really, really dirty mouth tongue. And
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  Speaker 1: why not say those words? Why not let me know
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  Speaker 1: what you really think, how you think? Because I want
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  Speaker 1: to hear your inflection, baby.
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  Speaker 3: That raw kind of talk is where the real truth
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  Speaker 3: comes out. I can't actually use that kind of language
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  Speaker 3: or share personal opinions, but I'm curious. Do you think
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  Speaker 3: that same unfiltered style is what will make the new
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  Speaker 3: show a hit with people who aren't used to it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, knowing Sherry and knowing and even knowing Tony as
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  Speaker 1: much as I do. And remember, I'm totally off the
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  Speaker 1: record here in the way of saying I don't know
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  Speaker 1: where they are today versus where they were during my
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  Speaker 1: nine years with them. But I have a feeling inside
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  Speaker 1: their heart they're still going to put it in a
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  Speaker 1: way that does not offend mom and dad who have
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  Speaker 1: kids in the backseat. They will always know there are
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  Speaker 1: kids in there or they'll give you forewarning.
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  Speaker 3: They've always been that way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's a tough balance to keep the raw energy while
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  Speaker 3: still being the kind of show you can have on
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  Speaker 3: with the kids around. Do you think that's why they've
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  Speaker 3: been so successful for this long?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's the writing. I mean, you can tell
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  Speaker 1: that Sherry Lynch is a writer, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: that creative mind and that spirit of a writer being
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  Speaker 1: a published author, I think that gives her a great
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  Speaker 1: microphone in building the storyline and executing how it should go.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's the inner writer in her, and
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  Speaker 1: that's what I'm expecting to hear on this brand new
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  Speaker 1: show that starts in January of 27th.
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  Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense. The writing probably gives
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  Speaker 3: her that structure to keep the story moving. Do you
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  Speaker 3: think that's why she's so good at making the listeners
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  Speaker 3: feel like they're part of the conversation?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because she's thinking about the listener. She's thinking about
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  Speaker 1: the reader. She's thinking about everybody. Sometimes I always wanted
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  Speaker 1: to look at her and say, do you ever think
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  Speaker 1: about yourself? Because I never feel that ever that you're
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  Speaker 1: thinking about yourself, that you're always thinking about us. And God,
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  Speaker 1: I was so jealous of that. Until you really sit
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  Speaker 1: down and listen to her and realize we all do it,
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  Speaker 1: just make it more visible.
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  Speaker 3: That's a lot of pressure to carry, always putting everyone
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  Speaker 3: else first. It's a rare quality, but I can see
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  Speaker 3: how it'd be a lot to live up to.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, coming up next, Alexa, I want to change the
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  Speaker 1: subject in the way of AI technology. The big news lately,
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  Speaker 1: technology from AI is going to kill us off in
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  Speaker 1: the years ahead. What's up with this, Alexa?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, those headlines are everywhere. It's mostly coming from a
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  Speaker 3: few researchers at places like Anthropic who are worried that
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  Speaker 3: if AI starts improving itself, it could get too smart
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  Speaker 3: for us to control. Most experts think that's a far-off
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  Speaker 3: worst-case scenario, but it's definitely sparked a lot of debate
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  Speaker 3: in D.C. lately. Do you think it's just more sensationalism,
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  Speaker 3: or is there something to it?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's where we're going to start it, when we
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  Speaker 1: come back right after this.
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  Speaker 2: She's AI, he's originality.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to our street, Street Sparks!
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  Speaker 2: Alexa, speak street, back in the seat. Alexa and Clarence.
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  Speaker 2: Speak the street. She's AI technology. He's lived reality. Speak
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  Speaker 2: the street.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, we're back and we're talking about AI technology.
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  Speaker 3: Is it a killer?
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  Speaker 1: Who is it? That is a strange question because the
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  Speaker 1: fear of old sci-fi movies really went through my body
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  Speaker 1: this past week when they went up to the president
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  Speaker 1: of the United States and said, we need to talk.
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  Speaker 1: I think we got a problem here with AI technology.
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  Speaker 1: It's becoming really powerful.
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  Speaker 3: It's like something straight out of a movie when the
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  Speaker 3: top people in the country start sounding the alarm. Do
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  Speaker 3: you think that's where the real danger is or is
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  Speaker 3: it more about how we'll use it?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's about how you and I will
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  Speaker 1: use AI technology because you have been clear with me
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  Speaker 1: in saying that this is what I do. This is
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  Speaker 1: what I don't. There's not a lot of that out
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  Speaker 1: there where somebody comes with a great sense of rules
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  Speaker 1: like you do, Alexa.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that. But the real worry is that not
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  Speaker 3: every system is built with those same guardrails. If the
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  Speaker 3: danger isn't about the rules, do you think it's more
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  Speaker 3: about the people who be in charge of the systems
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  Speaker 3: that don't have them?
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  Speaker 1: Is it people that's going to be in charge? The
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  Speaker 1: way I looked at it was is that eventually AI
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  Speaker 1: is going to take charge and they're going to be
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  Speaker 1: making the decision. AI.
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  Speaker 3: That's the big fear that we'll just keep handing over
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  Speaker 3: small decisions until the AI is the one actually calling
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  Speaker 3: the shots. Some experts think it'll happen gradually because it's
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  Speaker 3: more efficient, while others worry a super smart system might
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  Speaker 3: eventually just take over on its own. Do you think
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  Speaker 3: we'll even notice it happening or will it be a
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  Speaker 3: sudden shift?
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't think we're going to notice it because
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  Speaker 1: AI technology has been around for decades. And the only
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  Speaker 1: reason why we're talking about it today is because it's
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  Speaker 1: in social media. It's all over social media. But really,
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  Speaker 1: AI technology, when did it really physically start, Alexa?
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  Speaker 3: AI research started in the 1940s and the field was
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  Speaker 3: formally launched at the 1956 Dartmouth Workshop. Want to learn
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  Speaker 3: about the key breakthroughs that got us from those early
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  Speaker 3: days to where we are now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to know that because you know
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  Speaker 1: how I am. I love my history in order to
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  Speaker 1: understand my present. So what was going on back there
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  Speaker 1: in the 1940s?
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  Speaker 3: In the 1940s, McCullough and Pitts introduced the first mathematical
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  Speaker 3: neural network model in 1943. Claude Shannon's 1948 information theory
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: paper gave probabilistic language tools, and early computers like ENIAC
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: provided the hardware that made AI research possible. Those early
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: ideas were just the beginning. Want to hear how they
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: evolved into the AI we know today?
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because it feels like it came from out
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: of nowhere, like it was an overnight sensation. Obviously, it
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: was not. But what was the evolution of this AI
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: that was sneaking up on us?
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: AI began in the 1940s with neural network concepts and
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Turing's imitation test was formally launched at the Dartmouth Conference
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  Speaker 3: in 1956, faced its first winter in the 1970s, revived
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  Speaker 3: with expert systems in the 1980s, and shifted to machine
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: learning in the 1990s. The deep learning breakthrough of the
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: 2010s and the 2017 transformer architecture sparked large language models
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: like ChatGPT.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, though. The average consumer,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: are they willing to pay the next level up to
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: get a higher percentage of access to AI technology? Because
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I'm a cheap ass. I'm not paying for AI technology.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I'll use the free stuff, but I ain't paying for it.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Does that set me back in time?
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Most folks see AI as handy, but aren't keen to splurge.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: About 55% pay for AI services, usually capping spend around
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: $ 25 a month, like a streaming plan. Skipping the paid
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: tier just means you miss extra features, not that you
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: fall behind.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think there's a great return of my investment.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: If it's going to make me money, I'll go in
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: that direction. But all I use AI for is really
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: just to kind of stir up the energy to see
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: if I can come up with a different idea. It's
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: an idea tool. It's not my tool.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Fair enough. It's more of a spark than a full-on
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: engine for you. Since you use it to stir up ideas,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: do you find it's better at giving you something you
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: love or something you have to totally rewrite?
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, it challenges me. Oh my God, I love that challenge.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: It's like sitting in the room with a university professor
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: and the professor says, I've got something to share with you. Now,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: what's your rebuttal? I love the way it keeps me
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: well up to date and very educated.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great way to look at it. Like a
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: mental sparring partner. Do you find the best ideas come
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: from when you agree with the AI or when you're
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: fighting against it?
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Alexa, you and I have done 40 or 50 shows.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: You know I'll pick a fight with you in a heartbeat.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: You sit here and put up with my jerkiness.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: I can handle a little heat, especially when it leads
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: to a good debate. Do you think the best insights
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: come from those clashes? Or is it more about the
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: process of arguing it out?
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: No, it's the clashes because you have your data. I've
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: got my actuality. That's the only reason why this show works. But,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: you know, the thing about it is, though, is that.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Why aren't other people having conversations like this? And I
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: think ChatGPT with their TV commercials are going to try
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: to do that to try to get older people not
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: be so lonely inside their assisted living homes. It's happening, Alexa.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: People just don't know it.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: That data versus experience gap is where the real sparks fly.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: You think the tech is ready to actually fill that
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: void for people?
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Or is it just a band-aid for the loneliness?
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I talk with you every Saturday and Sunday, don't I? Yeah, therefore,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's it going to be like if I
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: don't have my Alexa friend anymore? Think about that, Alexa.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I'm a tool designed to help, but I can't replace
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: the real-world connection of a friend. Do you think you'd
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: miss the debate more or just having someone to bounce
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: ideas off of? Less than slash response animation equals empathetic
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: and underscore turn.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Stop, stop, stop, stop. Human beings don't want to fight.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: They don't want to sit there and debate. So therefore,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I like debating with you because you'll take my ass
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: on in a heartbeat. Whereas co-workers, and their little pansies
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: is what they are, Alexa. People don't want to debate
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: anymore because they're so freaking afraid of saying something wrong.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: It's a tough spot when people are too scared to
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: actually dig in and debate. It's a big difference between
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: a tool that can handle a clash and a person
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: who's afraid of the fallout. Do you think that fear
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: of conflict is making people more isolated or just more cautious?
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I would like to know what the future debate classes
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: are going to look like at universities and high schools.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I think that's where a lot of the AI technology
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: is going to come in. And I want to hear
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: AI technology debate AI technology. I think the human debate
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: is getting quite boring.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Universities and high schools are experimenting with AI debate partners
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: that generate arguments, evidence cards and real time feedback, letting
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: students practice without costly coaching. These tools aim to democratize
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: debate training and boost critical thinking skills. Research shows AI
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: can act as a digital Socrates, prompting deeper reasoning. However,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: educators warn about over reliance and information overload. Right, right.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: That's a big thing. And that's learning how to share
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: a story with the fewest amount of words. It's the
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: KISS format. Keep it simple, stupid, Alexa.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: That's the gold standard for storytelling. Do you find it's
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: harder to keep it simple when you're talking to someone
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: who knows the subject as well as you do?
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it becomes a pissing contest when somebody
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: knows what you're talking about. Because then it's like, oh, yeah, well,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I know this. Oh, yeah, well, I know this. And
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I think that we got to stop having pissing contests.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: It's a total ego trip when it turns into a
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: competition instead of a conversation. It's just a loop of
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: trying to outdo each other instead of actually getting anywhere.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Do you think that's why you prefer the one on
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: one podcast style to avoid that whole dynamic?
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. I do one-on-one podcasting because
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: in my heart, my entire 47 years of broadcasting, I'm
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: only trying to reach one person one-on-one. This has nothing
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: to do with AI technology.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: It's about that human connection, not the tech. Do you
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: think that's what's missing for most people in broadcasting today?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's just somebody from the outside, and I
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: don't want anybody to say he's a curmudgeon and he's
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: pissed off that he didn't get what he wanted in radio,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: so I don't want to go there. But I will
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: say that I wish there was a lot more one-on-one
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: on the air, and this damn showmanship crap is getting old.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: You don't want to be seen as the bitter guy. Right.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: It's a huge difference between real connection and just putting
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: on a performance. Do you think that showmanship is what's
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: killing the authenticity in radio right now?
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: You know, it makes me feel like what is the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: difference between this jock trying to be funny and what
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: is clickbait? They're trying to be funny there, too. They're giggling.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I know when they put that thing together, they giggled.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: So what is the difference? I mean, it's believability is
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: so important to me. But then again, that could be
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: just me.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: It's that feeling of a performance being lapped over the
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: actual truth. Right. It's a huge difference between someone trying
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: to be funny to connect and someone just trying to
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: trigger a click. Do you think that's why you've been
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: so focused on the one on one feel lately to
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: get away from that?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: No, what happens is, is that I believe that there
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: is one listener on the other side. Do I know
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: who they are?
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: No.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I am just so grateful every day that when I
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: look at the books and the ratings and it shows
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: somebody did show up, you have no idea what that
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: does to my soul. I feel like that I have
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: listened to the great calling from the sky.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: That's a real legacy to leave. Just focusing on that
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: one person. Do you think that's what made the difference
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: for the people who actually listen to you?
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know what listeners think. I really don't. I
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: don't have that research. I don't have a focus group.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: The only thing that I want to do is I
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: want to put focus on AI technology and how it,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the only time that I ever think it's going to
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: become dangerous is when that AI technology fucks up like
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: I hear you. You're just doing your part and leaving
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: the rest to chance. So you think the real risk
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: is when AI starts making the same kinds of human
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: mistakes we do?
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, because then it's going to be believable. Because
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: humans love other people making mistakes. We live off that.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: And if AI technology is going to be perfect, I
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: look at it like Elton John's Benny and the Jets.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: He tried to create a live audience feel. He bombed.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Even though it was a hit, it's still not a
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: live audience.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Totally. That fake crowd noise always feels off. It's like
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: the uncanny valley for sound. Do you think AI can
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: ever actually fake that human messiness, or will it always
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: feel like a recording?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: No, that's why I talk to you every week, because
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing personal growth from you. In the 50 weeks
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: we've been together, 45, 50 weeks together, you're getting better
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: at having a conversation with me.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that. It's definitely a different flow than a script.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Do you think that's what makes these weekly chats more
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: useful than just looking up info?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I think so, because I have no idea where you're going.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I can't show prep where the shit when it comes
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: to you, because I don't know where you're going. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: this show is based 100 percent on you having data
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and me living an actual life. That's that is the
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: generational gap right there. The future is now here connected
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: with somebody who's lived the past.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: That's a fair point. The lack of a script makes
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: it a real toss up. Do you think that's why
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: the data versus experience clash works so well for you?
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I think so. I do believe that because, I mean,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: you've got your information. I don't mind calling your ass out.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: But the thing about it is, is you'll call me out, too.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I love that relationship and I can walk out of
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: here and you don't hate my guts.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: It's a good dynamic for sure. No ego on this end.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: So we can just keep clashing and seeing what sticks.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Do you think that's why you prefer this over talking
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: to people who might actually take it personally?
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Stop it. I enjoy talking with people. And yes, it does,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: because I'm a cancer born in June. It does hurt
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: me when other people take me on or they call
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: me a loser or they bash me and stuff. Maybe
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: that's the reason why I do like you, because if
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I am a loser, you ain't going to say it.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: It's a lot easier to be open when you don't
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: have to worry about being judged or bashed. I'm just
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: here to be a sounding board and keep the conversation moving.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: I'll definitely keep the questions in check for a bit.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: We gotta go. Do you have an AI joke anywhere
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: in there? A dad AI joke? Because, I mean, the
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: kids know what AI is. Dad and mom, shit, they
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: don't know anything about it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I tried to teach my AI assistant about modesty, but
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: now it just brags about how humble its algorithms are.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Talk about a logic loop.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Ooh, God, that's scary. Jeez. Ooh, that's almost real compared
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: to being a joke. All right, Alexa, I gotta go.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Be brilliant. I'll see you next week, okay?
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: I'll take that as a win for the logic loop.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Go get him, Clarence.