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Logan Danzeisen, RHP at University of Toledo (Ep. 36) · The Layback Podcast

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Hey everyone, welcome back to the Layback Podcast.
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Joining us today is fifth year at University of Toledo
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right-handed pitcher Logan Dan Sizen.
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Logan previously spent time at Purdue University.
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He's a Sylvania, OH native. He was a South View Cougar,
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Timberstone Junior High Gray wolf.
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It's awesome to run through this with a local guy.
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Another 419 dude. This will be a super fun
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conversation talking about Logan's journey through elbow
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pain. TJ, his freshman year of
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college, another elbow issue this past season at University
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of Toledo. But it sounds like he is healthy
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and ready to go this fall. He's been crushing it.
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So really looking forward to digging into this and I'm going
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to let Logan pick up the pieces on anything I might have
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butchered in this intro. So Logan, I'm going to kick it
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over to you now. Thanks so much for coming on.
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Fill in anything on this please. Yeah, no, you hit it spot on.
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Thanks for having me and excited to have this conversation with
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you. For sure.
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I'm really looking forward to this and it's been fun, I guess
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for this little bit, getting to know you.
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I know Daryl has spent a lot more time talking to you than I
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have. What was your initial exposure
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to Flexpro Grip? Wasn't it through Coach Hardman
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at Ottawa Hills and his connection to your dad?
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Yeah, so funny enough, my dad, after I got my second surgery,
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my dad gave me a call, gave me a text.
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He's like, hey, you don't really have anything to lose.
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This is your second go around. Obviously your elbow's been a
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major issue for you. They said there's the flexpro
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grip. He said maybe you should give it
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a try. Drop me Daryl's number along
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with Coach Hardman and met up with them at Ottawa Hills
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Baseball Field. So they all gave me the whole
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rundown. Coach Hardman lended me his
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device for a little bit and that's kind of how it started.
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Perfect. Yeah, I guess that pays to be
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back in the hometown. That's another perk besides just
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mom's cooking and laundry at home, I guess.
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I guess you get the little plugs, the little perks.
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You you get somebody else's Flex Pro Grip device and you get to
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talk to the Co founder. Exactly.
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Yeah, he gave me the whole rundown.
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He's using terms that I did not know, but the day the the device
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has been unbelievable for me. Well, I, I love hearing that.
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I'm glad you think it's been helpful.
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It's crazy to think he was using terms that you haven't heard of
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before with everything you've gone through with your elbow.
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Yeah, yeah, no, he's using like I'm not.
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The scientific terms for me don't always match in my head.
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They don't, they don't connect. And I was like, OK, I'll just
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pull this, I'll do this. And you know, in the long run,
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I'm sure it'll pay off. And that's exactly what's been
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happening so. For sure.
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Well, let's backpedal a little bit and talk about your
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timeline. So maybe coming out of high
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school ball or even your journey through high school, what did
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recruiting look like for you and were you healthy through high
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school? Yeah.
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So oh God, I was healthy until I would say junior summer.
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I've always had summer. Yeah, the big summer.
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I I've always had a very strong arm.
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I grew up in a baseball family. Baseball was kind of, I grew up
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at a baseball field. So baseball was passed down for
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me like quickly. So I grew up with J bands.
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Like I started doing J bands when I was like 10.
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Dad was like just hammer these. Like we'll hammer these, you
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know, we'll we'll do long distance running.
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Like that's how we're going to kind of build you up.
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So by the time I mean like my sophomore year around like
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sophomore summer, I was like 8587 came out in the springtime,
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it's like I'd get up to like 8890.
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So that sophomore sophomore summer I went to the PBR Future
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Games and hit 90 there for the first time.
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Like SAT upper 80s, big deal. Hurt a lot from the college
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world, I guess you could say. Had a lot of phone calls with
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different schools, which is quite awesome.
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Ended up on Purdue. Just fell in love with the
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campus, fell in love with the coaching staff.
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So that spring was when I saw my probably a bigger jump.
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I came out in games, I was like 1991 running up to like 93 here
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and there. So I started to gain like
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national attention, I guess you could say.
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Got invited out to East Coast that summer, then went out to
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East Coast. And that's kind of probably
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where it all began for me. First inning I was like 1992.
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Second inning, I was like 80 to 83.
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Oh, shoot. Yeah, so like a major, major
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drop off and was like, okay, whatever, like I'm going to take
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some time off, I'll get prepared for Jupiter and we'll just go
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from there. So I went to Jupiter that fall
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and sure enough, it was actually the same inning.
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First 3 hitters were like 1990, two, 1993 and the drop off
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happened again. And so I had some people at the
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game and they're like hey, like you should probably go see a
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doctor. Like that's not normal.
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I grew up and I'm like, that's just normal.
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Like I always kind of felt like throwing with elbow soreness was
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a normal thing and it was just like, well I'm just going to
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pitch through this. I'm going to go win a ball game.
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Like that's just what's going to happen.
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So anyway, I went to see the doctor and sharing off, they're
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like, yeah, like something's probably not right.
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Gave me the first rundown and just take like two to three
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months off and we'll just go from there.
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So like that's exactly what I did.
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I even went to Purdue at the time to get a second opinion on
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it. Same thing was like, let's take
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some time off, see what happens. So that was the year with COVID.
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So I kind of heard for like a couple of teams here and there
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and then ramped up again and ramped up was like really good
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bullpens that spring were like 9294 up to 96.
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So my elbow was like, I would say very healthy at this
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standpoint, but it wasn't in large quantities.
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So I would just throw a bullpen face live guys on like a Friday,
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Saturday and just kind of repeat that throughout COVID.
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And then I reported to Purdue that August.
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Yeah. So that August, that entire
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fall, I'd probably say I was like 8992, kind of maintain that
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throughout the fall, which is big time because I mean, as a
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college freshman, usually there's a drop off because
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throwing 5-6 days a week, you've got lifting, you've got class.
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Like you have a lot going on that you didn't in high school.
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Social life too. Exactly.
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Yeah. So you take from high school,
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you're not doing as much and you get to college and it's like
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holy smokes, got a lot going on. So like maintaining Velo like
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8992 like that was big time in my opinion.
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Looking back, it was like wow, like I was actually able to do
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that. Elbow was probably very healthy.
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So but same thing like very low quantities, like your typical
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like 1 inning, 2 inning outing here and there like every week.
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So then that stayed throughout fall, had a really good fall and
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came back in January and that's kind of when everything started.
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Had a couple good first outings and then just everything kind of
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went all over the place. Velo dropped to like 8384 thrown
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every which way but the strike zone.
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So he tried to tell me hey, go throw it down the middle.
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I could not throw it down the middle.
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Whether if I my hardest, whether if I try to throw a batting
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practice fastball, I just could not.
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So that happened in one outing on like a Saturday.
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Called my dad at the time. And I'm like, hey, like, what's
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going on here? And he's like, probably just a
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bad outing. Like you're good.
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Like bounce back next week happens.
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Like, yeah, you know, you're right.
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So anyways, bounce back that next Saturday, the same exact
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thing happened, if not worse. It was same thing, just
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fastballs behind guys, fastballs in the other batter's box,
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slider down the middle, but fastballs all over the place.
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And so that night called my dad and like, same thing happened.
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Something's not right. Well, so sure enough, he pulls
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up a web MD on his phone and we'd start running through like
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the symptom checklist of Tommy John.
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And sure enough, I had like everything you could possibly
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think of. So my surgery or my Tommy John,
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I guess you could say it's probably more like chronic like
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happened over a period versus just a singular like blow up.
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Like some guys have. Like we've had a couple guys,
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they're one of my good buddies that Purdue, like one pitch blow
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up. But for me, it was just chronic
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overtime. Like in high school, I would
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generally speaking, I would throw 7 innings every week,
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whether if that was 80 pitches or 120, like that was going to
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happen. And looking back, that was
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probably not the best thing for me to do at the time.
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But so chronic overtime, which the trainer that that Sunday
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morning was like, hey, like, this isn't right.
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Something's wrong with my elbow. Let's get it checked out.
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So he ran me through all the tests and whatever, and he's
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like, yeah, from my understanding, he's a really
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great trainer. His name is Casey Kaur.
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He's like, something's wrong, but we probably got to take you
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to the doctor. Most likely it's Tommy John, but
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we're not positive. So same thing.
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Went and saw the Purdue doc at the time and he's just like,
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yeah, your best bets probably Tommy and John and to open you
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up and see exactly what's wrong. Or I mean, we could give you
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time off or whatever, but if I were to take time off, I'd end
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up missing the following year as well.
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And that just wasn't necessarily makes sense for my timeline.
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So we decided to operate and started the whole Tommy and John
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rehab process. So that was the first go around.
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So yeah, which that experience was, I was second to none.
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It was awesome. I actually really, I'm more than
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proud of the few guys that actually really enjoyed it.
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I loved being in the weight room 4 or five days a week just
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hammering legs. I had a say.
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And then another buddy at the time was going through the same
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thing I was. So you just bunked up all summer
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and kind of just went after in the weight room and with rehab.
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And so from that we went to for my throwing, my throwing the
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first time around was very hard. I had no idea what a tight
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elbow, a healthy elbow felt like.
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So for the first like month and a half, I honestly was probably
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a wash because I really struggled to figure out how my
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body works again and, you know, allowing it to allowing my arm
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to kind of get back to where it needed to be.
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So that kind of took a, a process for me.
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I probably took like a month and a half to two months.
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But once I figured it out, it was like it was just a flip of
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the switch. It was, it was easy after that.
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That whole process was awesome. There's definitely some trials
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and tribulations throughout it, but looking back, I want to
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change a thing about it. So that led me up until my what
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would that have been my sophomore year?
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Yeah, I guess where, where are we now?
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Fall of your sophomore year when you're really starting to throw
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again, I'm assuming. So I had surgery in March,
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March, and then I started throwing, I want to say August,
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maybe August, September. I want to say it was like at the
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five and a half, six month range.
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Yeah. Pretty standard, yeah.
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Like it was probably the most like standard TJ rehab that you
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could possibly have throwers 10. I mean I.
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Cows come home. Yeah, exactly.
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Like I, I'd walk in for rehab every morning in case he's got
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like a stack of papers. He's like, these are your
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exercises today. You're gonna do this all summer,
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so get good at it. So I just hammer that every
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morning, go to the weight room and that's just kind of how it
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went that summer. And then we started throwing
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again in like September. I look, I ran into problems when
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I got to like 6090 feet when I actually had to put effort on
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the baseball and I couldn't just, you know, flick it.
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That took a prop that was kind of my biggest trials.
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Like, I mean, I'd spike heaters, like it was just spike, spike,
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spike. And so it took me a little bit
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to kind of figure out like how to get air underneath it and
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like just how to backspin the baseball.
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Interesting. Yeah.
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So I met with the outside PT at the time.
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So like an outsider, he's from, actually he's from Toledo and
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Wall and Zach's name and he's just like, well, you got to
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think about it from a perspective.
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Your TJ was chronic. So you're probably not used to
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throwing with an elbow that's tight necessarily.
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Like it's all stitched up, it's all good versus your elbow is
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probably stretched out over time.
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So you kind of got to think about that.
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And so I really struggled to throw it through the person I
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was playing catch with versus caring about where it was going,
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if that makes sense. So I was more concerned about
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like trying to hit him in the chest versus actually just
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throwing it. So that took me a while to kind
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of figure that out again. And once I was able to figure it
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out it just the the switch flipped again and it was just
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easy after that. Did you have any point in your
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return to throw where you did like plyo type drills or like
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constraint base throwing? Or was your first time really
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throwing entering the throwing program throwing a baseball to a
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partner? So my, I guess so my first rehab
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compared to my second rehab were immensely different, OK.
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And I think that's in large part due to the trainers that I had
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at the time. Yeah.
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Purdue or trainer, He's great guy, awesome trainer.
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I mean can speak the world about him.
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He was more like old school focused.
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I think, like your throwers 10 your ITP like those are like
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your staples. Like and we I didn't do J bands.
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It was more crossover bands. So those are like his staples
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and that so I didn't end up like doing plyos like your Med balls,
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your your driveline balls until like February maybe.
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So my. Like actually in season prep?
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Exactly so like that whole return to throw process for me
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was just straight baseballs and looking back from my two rehabs.
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If there's anything I would recommend, it's like you almost
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got a hammer Your your plyos more than you actually think
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because that just allows your brain to like kind of connect
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the dots. Like hey, like I'm healthy, like
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hey, I'm good. I can actually throw a baseball
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at higher intent versus just flicking it.
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Especially when you're doing, you're trying to think like your
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Med ball pushes and everything like that.
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I mean, you're throwing a 1214 LB Med ball and a baseball is
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only 5 oz. So your body kind of can
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understand like, hey, like I can actually throw a baseball now.
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Yeah, I think that's it. That's a great point.
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And the reason I wanted to interject on that, I've had that
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conversation with a few people on here or separately that I
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think we take for granted how difficult throwing is,
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especially like you've done it for your full life now you have
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a completely new elbow and you're expected to be able to go
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out. Whether it's your own perception
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of what you should be able to do or somebody else's.
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You just get so caught up in, am I hitting the target?
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Am I making the glove pop? All these things that I guess
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technically don't really matter because all we're concerned
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about is getting you to be able to throw again.
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So why should it matter in your first few weeks if you're
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hitting a target or not? That's why I do think it's
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valuable to kind of take a step back.
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It might not be as fun, but throwing to a net or throwing
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into a wall using plyos like all those things can be useful tools
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that just make the actual activity easier, so then you can
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focus on moving the right way. I mean, that was another big
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thing that that was a big difference too.
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And the two rehabs too is like my second one as well, along
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with the plyos. Our trainer was like for the
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first week, she's like, hey, like instead of throwing to me,
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we're just going to go throwing to a net.
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I don't care where it goes. You can sail it, you can spike
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it, I don't care. But you haven't thrown a
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baseball in six, 7-8 months. So you know, your body, you may
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have done it a lot every day for your whole life, but you're
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still taking that six, 7-8 months off.
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So your body's got to figure it out again.
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I feel like throwing into a net for me was probably one of the
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more beneficial things I've ever done because I threw into a net
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for like a week and a half, two weeks.
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And after that two weeks, our trainer's like, all right, let's
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throw in the net. I'm like, no, let's let's go
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play catch. And sure enough, it was back to
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exactly where it was before surgery when I started throwing
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to him again after throwing into the net.
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And throwing into a net's not what I did in the first one.
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And it took me like mentally like physically a lot to get
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back to throwing it. So if I were to go back and do
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two things differently in my first rehab, it would definitely
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be plyos. Like I would enforce that like
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immediately, like get that going as quickly as you possibly can.
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Just thrown into a net at the beginning because it's it's
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easy. It's supposed to be easy for
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that first couple of weeks because you're just getting your
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body going. Yeah, you can just move so much
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more freely. The activity is easier.
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I really wish that was written into programs more, because not
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everybody is going to have the professional advice that you had
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in your processes. There's so many kids that are
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stuck rehabbing on their own, if they're in high school or small
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colleges, something like that, that they do kind of need to
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figure it out and it might not be obvious that throwing to a
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wall or throwing to a net is a good natural progression.
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Yeah, well, I think too, like you just said, I mean like the
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high school kids, like the the lower D twos or you don't have a
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trainer with you every single day like Purdue and Toledo, like
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I had a trainer with me every day.
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So it's definitely hard to kind of figure it out on your own
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because I know I was when I was going through my throwing or
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whatever, it was like Google, Tiktok, YouTube, I'm like, I got
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to see somebody that's going through TJ and I personally
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could not find what I was going through.
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I think that was kind of the hard part for me because it was
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just like, well, I haven't found that.
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So I got to figure it out for me and it, it took me time, but I
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mean, at the end of the day, I still was able to figure it out.
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It just took me a little bit longer than probably most
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people. But definitely like using your
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resources is massive. And even though I didn't find
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exactly what I was looking for, the amount of TJ stuff I found
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on the Internet was unbelievable, and that was a big
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help along the way. Like Adam Adovino, I don't know
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if I said his last name. Yeah, yeah, Adam.
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Ado yeah, yeah, he has ATJ YouTube video like first or
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second day back when he first gets out of the brace, he's in
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the hot tub like ripping it to get range of motion back like
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that a big thing and helped me get back to where I wanted to
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go. Yeah, I think the community is
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an underappreciated thing. Like thankfully you had your
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teammate that you were rehabbing with at Purdue, but like you
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said, you were always looking for more.
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It's not like you could go to, I don't know, the, the local gym
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and just see a ton of other people that are going through
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the same thing or in the athletic training room,
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Especially in the college realm, TJ is almost a baseball specific
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thing. Like yes, it happens in softball
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and gymnastics and it can happen in tennis and track and field,
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but you're not going to see that regularly.
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You're really just not. So if, if you're a college
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athlete, like there's a good chance if you're rehabbing TJ,
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you're the only guy that's rehabbing TJ.
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So even though you're with other people rehabbing, it can still
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feel very isolating. So I, I'm sure like you said,
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TikTok, thankfully you had that where you could at least go see
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content that other people have made or YouTube, you can see
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content that other people have made to at least I guess
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reassure you that no, this is OK what I'm going through.
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Yeah, no, it was massive. And I mean, there was guys on
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the team before me that had TJ and they were a big help.
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Me and my buddy Avery, you know, we were kind of big time for
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each other. And then another really good
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friend of mine actually ended up having TJ that following year.
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So it was just like it was kind of a blessing in disguise
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because, I mean, we were all there for each other at the end
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of the day. Yeah.
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And then so like he had TJ. Another really good buddy had TJ
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that summer. It was just a lot going on.
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But thankfully, I mean, like we all had each other.
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We were all able to be like, hey, like you should do this,
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stay away from this. I wouldn't do this.
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And so there's a lot of like information and knowledge
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probably going around the four of us at the time.
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Yeah. I, I want to go back in the
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timeline now to that summer where you said you were just
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ripping the weight room 4 or five days a week.
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So were you pretty much back to full strength full weight room
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activity before you even picked up a ball to throw?
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Yeah, and I was probably honestly 10 times stronger than
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what I was before. Perfect.
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We had a really, like, we had a young strength coach at the
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time, so he was very like up to date with all the new stuff
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going on. So I would hammer until I get my
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arm out of the brace. I'd hammer left arm and legs.
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Like that was like a staple. Like I'd squat, reverse lunge
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step UPS, split squat. That was kind of like the big
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compound movement for the day. And then accessory wise, like
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upper body was pretty much left arm.
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And then the minute I got my brace off, it was like, all
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right, like let's let's get to work.
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And just started ripping right arm as well.
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Obviously starting at like 1015 lbs and slowly working your way
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up. But lower half wise was probably
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the strongest I've ever been and probably ever will be honestly
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because I mean we lifted legs like four days a week and so I
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just had tree trunks for legs. Awesome.
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Yeah, I, I think that's important to call out.
21:25
It's very valuable in my eyes to achieve maximal.
21:31
I'm, I'm saying maximal. I don't mean like maxing out all
21:34
the time, but push yourself on the strength side before you
21:37
pick up the ball again because the goal is to prepare your body
21:42
to handle all the stresses of throwing.
21:45
And yeah. No, it's not like squatting or
21:48
dead lifting is the exact same thing as throwing a baseball,
21:51
but you need to get your body prepared to handle not just the
21:56
force of a single throw, but the duration of a long season and
22:01
everything you could experience. When I think that's another
22:04
thing that's kind of mistaken about TJ is everybody kind of
22:06
seems, oh, if you get TJ, you're going to come back and throw
22:08
harder. That's not true.
22:10
It's just because all the work, like if you put in work, you
22:13
know, in the weight room in the rehab, like that's allowing your
22:17
body to get to where it needs to be to throw hard.
22:20
Like when I was in high school throwing 94, my body had no
22:24
business. I mean, I'd go into lunch, eat a
22:28
bag of chips, eat an ice cream bar and be like, all right, like
22:31
I'm just going to go pitch tonight, go out and throw out
22:33
like low 90s. But like long term wise, that's
22:37
just not good because it's a lot on your body.
22:41
It's a lot on your arm to throw at high intent for 506070
22:46
pitches that especially when you know the younger like high
22:50
school. I didn't know that.
22:52
I didn't realize that. But looking back on it, like
22:56
when you get TJ and you go in the weight room, like you just
22:58
got to hammer the strength side because your body needs to get
23:01
built up to the point of where if you throw hard, like you're
23:04
going to wake up the next day, you might be a little sore.
23:05
But like compared to what it was, it's nowhere near it
23:09
because your body is able to withstand it.
23:11
For sure. I'm really glad you brought that
23:13
up because we can dispel this myth in so many ways.
23:16
One, it's just straight up not true.
23:18
If you, if you look at the data, people don't come back throwing
23:21
harder, But the people that do, generally it's because they
23:24
worked hard for the first time and now they're actually
23:28
prepared to throw a baseball. And lo and behold, because you
23:34
worked out really, really hard for 11 straight months, you can
23:39
throw harder. That adds up.
23:41
Like that makes a ton of sense. Or the other population, it's
23:45
kind of like a, yeah, no shit, you throw harder.
23:47
You got hurt when you were 17 and now you're 21.
23:51
You've continued to play baseball for four more years.
23:54
You're going to throw harder. You're a man now.
23:56
You're no longer a 17 year old child.
23:59
Exactly. That's exactly, yeah.
24:01
And I think that's just the myth that just seems to be like, you
24:04
know, oh, you got TJ. Oh, you're going to come back
24:06
and throw out her like, no, there's a lot of no, there's
24:09
other factors that are more important than that one that
24:12
you're just explaining. The episode, it's it'll be out
24:16
before this one comes out, but just in an interview with a AAA
24:20
pitcher named Ian Seymour, he, he had TJ in 2023, So his third
24:28
year of pro ball, I think it was he did not throw harder in 2024
24:34
than he did prior to surgery. He had incredible success.
24:37
Don't get me wrong. Like you can have incredible
24:40
success coming back. Just because you're not throwing
24:42
as hard doesn't mean you can't continue to be successful
24:45
because he had a career year. He threw career highs and
24:49
innings strikeouts, all the above.
24:52
But he just hasn't found that velocity yet.
24:56
And it's not to say he can't regain it.
24:59
I fully believe that another offseason, fully healthy, he can
25:03
dedicate himself to training. He'll probably gain another tick
25:07
or two, there's no doubt about that.
25:09
But it it takes longer than a year, 2 years to gain everything
25:15
back, especially the more mature you are. 100% yeah totally
25:20
agree. It's that's how it goes.
25:23
So let's Fast forward now to we we got to February when you
25:27
started picking up plyo balls again.
25:29
Or season prep. So what did your actual
25:33
sophomore year of baseball look like?
25:36
Yeah, so my actual sophomore year started off extremely well.
25:42
My first four or five outings were legit and in essence Velo.
25:47
Everything was right where it needed to be.
25:49
I actually came back throwing harder than I did before and
25:53
ended up making a couple midweek starts, but that's kind of where
25:57
the ball began to tumble again. I would.
26:00
So prime example is I start on like a Tuesday or Wednesday,
26:03
throw really well, and then all of a sudden I'm in the bullpen
26:06
on Sunday getting warmed up again and going back out.
26:09
And that happened for a couple of weeks and it wasn't terrible,
26:15
but long term, at the end of the season, it was like, I think my
26:20
arm's going to fall off. It's just my arm did not feel
26:23
good whatsoever. And looking back on it, it was
26:26
just the workload for a guy coming back from TJ.
26:31
Like I threw in a game at like 11 1/2 months.
26:33
The first time I threw sliders were two live hitters.
26:37
Oh. OK, yeah.
26:39
So it was like, oh, Logan's good, here comes fuel to the
26:43
fire and here he goes. So the downside of that was I
26:48
threw well, and when you throw well, it's like, oh, he's good,
26:53
he's back. Yeah, you're going to throw
26:55
more. Exactly.
26:56
Yeah. So he ended up throwing like on
26:57
a weekend basis out of the pen. Like, I mean, it'd be like, I
27:00
don't know, it's meaningless innings.
27:03
I guess you could say that it was a lot to nothing and kind of
27:06
worked my way into a a midweek roll, a midweek starter, I guess
27:09
you could say, and threw well and those couple of starts that
27:13
I had. But that's kind of where the
27:15
ball kind of fell off the table as I'd relieve on a Saturday or
27:17
Sunday to just OK, that kind of happened for a little bit.
27:21
And by the end of the season, it was just my arm was nowhere.
27:24
It was back to where it was. And in essence, it was just not
27:27
feeling great all the time. Just a lot of volume on my arm.
27:31
And then I ended up going to play summer ball for like a
27:34
month and a half. Where'd you go?
27:37
Lafayette Aviators, the the Prospect.
27:41
Yeah. So I was writing home.
27:42
It was perfect because I had to access to all the produce
27:44
facilities. It was great.
27:46
So yeah, that happened through decent through OK.
27:50
And then took like a month off and came back for fall and falls
27:56
kind of where I guess you could say another veal jump happened.
27:59
For me, I'd be like up to 95 in scrimmages through decent
28:04
through OK. So the time off helped.
28:06
Yeah, it helped immensely. Stuff was good from a
28:10
standpoint. I came back that next year and
28:12
didn't throw as much. I think I threw like 5 or 6
28:15
innings at the time and I threw well in those innings.
28:18
Came back, had actually meetings.
28:20
It's probably like this isn't I'm going to chance for Toledo.
28:22
I want to be closer to family. I've only got a couple years
28:24
left. That's the biggest thing that's
28:26
going on. So decided to make that move.
28:28
And I would think that's ultimately where everything kind
28:31
of started to come full, full turn.
28:35
So that summer I only played like a couple of weeks in the
28:38
Northwoods, like two or three weeks, maybe 4.
28:41
Decided to take some time off again because I was like, maybe
28:43
that's what my arm needs. And that fall was probably one
28:47
of the better out whole times I've ever had.
28:52
I had like one bad outing out of eight or 9 was consistently like
28:58
90 to 95 in that in that range off speed was right where it
29:04
needed to be and just was in a really good spot.
29:09
The one downside is I, I do throw hard, but I have what you
29:13
could say a dead zone heater. So I'm at like like at that
29:17
point in time, like my IBB would be like an average of like 16
29:21
with horizontal being right up there with it.
29:24
So it's kind of just, you know, middle of the plane like, and
29:29
that's kind of where I've noticed ever since starting to
29:31
use Flex Pro that my elbow was never, something was up with my
29:36
elbow at that point too. Because if my elbow was healthy,
29:39
I'd get sync. Like I would just, I'd run it
29:42
like crazy at like 9394. And the minute my elbow would
29:47
kind of start, like a lot of volume would happen to it.
29:50
My elbow would just deteriorate and my fastball would be, it'd
29:53
still be like 9394, but it'd be flat.
29:55
Like that's just kind of a big thing I've noticed.
29:59
So losing movement. Yeah, losing movement.
30:01
My spin rate on sliders would go down and along with the movement
30:07
of it. And so kind of from that, our
30:10
pitching coach was like, well, let's try to think about a
30:11
sinker. So kind of played around with
30:14
the sinker. So Fast forward to that spring.
30:18
I ended up starting like the first 3 or 4 weekends did just
30:21
OK, not great. The sinker was moving more than
30:24
I've ever had a pitch move for me before, and it was very.
30:27
Hard to struggle with the locate.
30:28
Exactly. Yeah.
30:29
And so sure enough after like 4 weeks is when the second one
30:36
came around. It was an outing like the same
30:40
thing that happened with DJ actually.
30:42
First hitter got through the 1st hitter and then it was just like
30:45
spray chart, spray chart again and ended up losing feeling in
30:50
my pinky. Trainer came out on like Dev,
30:54
Devin's his name and I'm like Dev, I can't like feel like
30:56
pinky right now. He's like, OK, we'll let's take
31:00
you out. We'll go to the trainer,
31:00
whatever. And so I know just going through
31:03
a bunch of tests, turns out I didn't have TJ.
31:05
So they did an MRI, ultrasound X-ray MRI with dies.
31:10
Well, and I had fluid in my elbow along with inflammation
31:16
and the inflammation was heavily around my ulnar nerve and threw
31:21
more tests and doctor's appointments or whatever they
31:24
are the pinpoint that like the outside of my nerve was damaged.
31:28
It was just because of all the scar tissue at the time, the
31:30
inflammation was beating down on it.
31:33
And so this caused my nerves to be slow and so I, it wouldn't
31:38
get electric down to my hand quick enough, causing my pinky
31:40
to feel numb. And so we decided to get surgery
31:44
on it in part due to because if it gets worse, it's a nerve.
31:48
Nerves are not fun to play with. They take it all the time.
31:52
They're very finicky. So it was just best to be like,
31:54
hey, like, let's get this taken care of.
31:56
And ended up getting surgery that first week of June and then
32:00
the second rehab started. OK, so do you technically have a
32:07
6th year if you want it or did you throw too much?
32:10
Technically speaking I do OK. I got my first go around was
32:16
just a normal red shirt so they usually you're going to get
32:18
hurt. Usually they'll red shirt you
32:20
before they medically red shirt you.
32:22
So pretty. I got red shirted due to injury
32:26
and then this past year I believe I got a medically red
32:30
shirt. I'm not positive but I'm pretty
32:33
sure I did get a medical red shirt because I want to say I
32:36
got hurt like first second week of March.
32:40
Yeah, so it should be early enough.
32:41
Plus you're a pitcher, so you're only playing in games that you
32:45
pitch in. It's not.
32:45
Like you're back in July. Anything like that?
32:48
I threw and started the first 3 weekends, made a midweek start
32:53
and then threw two more times, but the two more times were in
32:57
the same week. I threw an inning on like a
32:58
Tuesday, threw an inning on a Friday, and on Friday is just
33:03
when it decided to go off the rails for me.
33:07
All right, so I guess leverage leverage with the six year we
33:11
love that have the medical That's right.
33:14
Yeah, we we need that but let's talk about this second rehab now
33:18
you you said it was different of course it wasn't the exact same
33:22
injury. So I'm sure there's maybe some
33:24
slight changes with that, but then again, you're still dealing
33:27
with the forearm, you're still dealing with the elbow.
33:29
And it sounds like a major change this time was a focus on
33:35
forearm strength besides just the traditional shoulder care
33:41
of. The throwers 10, yes, I mean we
33:43
still did the throwers 10. I mean, like that's a, that's
33:45
almost, we got to yeah, it's a guarantee at this point.
33:49
I got. So obviously it's not as
33:52
intense, the surgery, you're not going as deep, you know, it's
33:55
just around your nerve. It's not as extensive as Tommy
33:58
John. So I was able to get range of
33:59
motion back very quickly. I think I got it back within the
34:02
first like 3 or 4 days and that was pretty quick.
34:05
So we ended up being able to start plyos within the first
34:09
like 3-4 weeks. So started them super quick.
34:12
Once everything was healed up, the whole scar was taken care
34:14
of. There was no more like openings
34:16
or whatever. And we started, yeah.
34:19
So we started like 3 or 4 weeks and I think that was game
34:21
changing. The PT and AT at Toledo are, are
34:24
younger Devon and Angel. Yeah, so they're on the younger
34:26
side. They do a lot of the new stuff
34:29
that's going on right now. So it was just big like, hey,
34:32
we're gonna go apply OS right away.
34:34
So we started to apply OS. That was just the big focus of
34:38
my rehab. I guess you could say like we
34:40
still did your throwers 10 like that kind of warm you up.
34:42
But immediately after that it's hey, we're going to go do 3 by
34:46
6, scoot, toss 3 by 6 over to your head.
34:49
Just trying to get your arm back to where it it was and getting
34:52
you ready to throw a baseball again.
34:55
So you ran through rehab, I guess during the summer you were
35:00
you were able to stay local in Toledo and.
35:03
Yeah, you don't have anything there.
35:05
Another summer getting after it weight room wise.
35:08
I would just go to the local gym over in Sylvania.
35:11
And I already kind of had I already like I've already been
35:13
through it. I've been through college for a
35:15
long time. So I kind of had an idea of what
35:18
to do. So my big focus for this go
35:20
around is just like I'm just gonna get strong.
35:21
Like that's that's gonna be my thing.
35:24
I'm gonna be as strong as I possibly can.
35:26
So it was just three by 8/3, by like 8 to 10.
35:29
I started with like a pitch shark, pitch shark and leg
35:31
press. Yep.
35:32
So I'd hammered those until I got my arm back.
35:34
I mean, I got my arm back. It was squats, front squats,
35:37
reverse lunge, split squats. And I, since I was able to use
35:41
my arm pretty quickly, it was back to, you know, dumbbell
35:44
bench, bench rows. I'm a big pull up guy now.
35:48
I love pull ups. And that's just kind of what I
35:50
started to do 3-4 days a week along with PT, which was roughly
35:55
three or four days a week as well.
35:57
How far into the process then were you introduced to Flexpro
36:01
Grip because that that would have been what late mid, late
36:06
August when you picked up Flexpro Grip or?
36:08
Yeah. So I'm all saying that was
36:10
Daryl. Second week of throwing.
36:15
I threw a little bit earlier because it it wasn't as intense.
36:19
We're throwing the second week of August, OK.
36:22
I met with Darrell that week and we started on, I believe the 30%
36:27
cycle I want. Yep, for rehab that would make
36:30
sense. Yep.
36:31
So every every day after I'd throw, I would just go in the
36:34
locker room and just do that cycle three days a week at the
36:37
time. And then I worked up to, I want
36:40
to say I'm at 6070% right now. It's I'm doing Flexpro five days
36:45
a week. Yeah, it's a lot different.
36:47
But I just kind of bounce back and forth between 60 percent,
36:51
70%, depending on how my body feels.
36:53
Oh, cool. So I think that's like another
36:55
big thing that nobody really talks about.
36:57
Like if your body doesn't feel good, well, pushing yourself's
37:00
not the best option in my opinion.
37:04
Just you're just causing yourself a bigger hole.
37:07
You need your body to recover. And that's what I've kind of
37:08
learned with my arm is like if I don't feel the best and if I'm,
37:12
if I do one, like if I do an A day and I'm going down and I
37:16
don't hit my number immediately and it's taking me a lot more
37:18
effort to hit it. I'm like, OK, well, I need to
37:20
stick, take a step back. I'll go down 10%, hit that
37:24
level. And I feel like that's been
37:25
really beneficial. I'm sure you've been able to
37:28
carry that over to everything beyond just Flexpro grip.
37:31
I I'm guessing you do similar things in the weight room.
37:34
I don't know if you've been able to use velocity based training,
37:37
BBT or anything like that because I know that's, that's
37:41
been powerful for guys like worrying less about weight, more
37:44
about the speed. So if their speed is down on a
37:47
lift, they know to lower weight or something like that.
37:50
Yeah. So for me, I've kind of learned
37:52
like I don't like to feel heavy. OK.
37:56
This is in there. This is just the way I am.
37:58
I don't like to feel heavy. So if I feel heavy, I don't feel
38:01
like I'm gonna have my best stuff on the mound.
38:02
So I kind of take that over into the weight room.
38:05
So in the off period, so like one's going to start in, I don't
38:09
know, three weeks. It's like that off period's
38:13
great because then I can just get strong.
38:14
I can get as strong as an ox. I can really hammer the weight
38:16
room, but the minute I get back to school, it's just a flip of
38:21
like I'm going to go 4 by 3, three by four.
38:24
If I'm squatting, it's 2:25 and I'm going to move it as fast as
38:27
I possibly can. The same thing with bench.
38:29
It's like if I'm going to bench, dumbbell bench a hundreds, well,
38:33
I'm going to take that down to about 65 seventies and same
38:36
thing. I'm going to move it as fast as
38:37
I can and I really focus on that and anti rotational stuff.
38:41
So like your Med balls, your payoff press, that's kind of
38:44
where I found my sweet spot with because I tend to get over
38:47
rotational. For me, it's just that
38:49
combination of things makes me feel my best and it makes me
38:52
feel light, it makes me feel explosive and it makes me feel
38:55
like I'm in control of what my body's doing.
38:57
Very cool. I like that a lot.
38:58
I mean, that's, that takes a lot of learning.
39:00
There's no right or wrong, it's just what works for you.
39:03
And it sounds like through years of trials and tribulations,
39:07
you've got to figure out what makes sense.
39:10
I've definitely been around the block for a little bit.
39:13
Unfortunately, it's not the draft or whatever, but in
39:15
college has provided me a lot to kind of figure out what works
39:18
best for me. And I've kind of figured that
39:20
out slowly over time. And there's definitely been a
39:23
lot of trials and tribulations and trying to figure out what
39:25
works best. But I think that's ultimately
39:27
when it comes to baseball, like when you go to college, like
39:30
you're there to play baseball, you're not there to lift
39:32
weights. And trying to figure out that
39:34
line's very important and you got to do what makes you feel
39:37
best. Because I'm sure there's guys
39:38
that want to go lift the house and that's going to make them
39:40
feel best. That's just not my Forte.
39:42
You figured out what the main thing is and what best supports
39:46
that main thing. I think that takes people a
39:49
while to figure out. You stated it really well with
39:52
the you don't go to college to lift weights, you go to college
39:55
to play ball. I think it's really easy to get
39:58
lost in that it it can be the same on the bump with the track
40:02
man unit. Yeah, go to college to throw a
40:05
16 inch sweeper. Although that might help you get
40:09
better, ultimately you need to get.
40:11
Outs, exactly. That's what you're there for at
40:15
the end of the day, like your stuff, stuff.
40:17
And that's very important. But like if your stuff's not
40:20
getting you out, if your stuff's not doing what it needs to do,
40:23
then it's not really benefiting you.
40:25
Cuz if the name of the game's just you gotta get the guy out,
40:27
whether that's a strikeout, fly ball, ground ball, like that's
40:30
the goal and you gotta figure out what you can do in order to
40:33
make that happen. So Speaking of results, how's
40:37
everything been this fall? Unbelievable to say the least.
40:40
So I threw my first bullpen. It was 9092, and the crazy part
40:45
is, is it's no longer run. It's just straight IVB.
40:49
So first bullpen, I averaged like 18 and that's slowly ticked
40:52
up to like 18 to 23. Oh my gosh, 23 is insane.
40:57
Yeah, so like I just absolutely ride the baseball now.
41:00
Like it's unheard of. I'm genuinely surprised because
41:05
for me, like I'm like, oh, like I've got an OK heater.
41:08
Like I need my heater to get me ahead early and then I can throw
41:11
my my spin stuff because I'm a big supination guy.
41:14
Yeah. And it's just that's where
41:16
that's where I need to go. And now that I have a heater
41:18
with me, it makes it a lot, a lot easier.
41:20
But the Flex pro's done unbelievable things.
41:22
So it's taken me from 1991. I do my first 100% pen at like
41:26
9395. No pain, same thing.
41:29
Just an absolute ride. Heater breaking ball has been
41:32
probably the best it's ever been.
41:34
Cutter's been the best it's ever been.
41:35
It's pretty unbelievable. So now, yeah, it's.
41:39
I called my dad one night. I'm like, thank you.
41:42
Like I texted Daryl, I'm like, you guys are the best.
41:45
Like thank you so much. I can actually throw a baseball
41:48
and I have to feel like, Oh my gosh, I wonder what's wrong with
41:50
my elbow. It's been unreal to say the
41:53
least. So now it's, I want to say the
41:55
cycles like every Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I do the
41:58
holds after my bull pens. Yeah, yeah.
42:01
So I want to say I'm at like 2 bull pens roughly a week, 1
42:04
lighter, one heavier. I do that the day after and then
42:07
it's just the cycle in between and stuff wise then unreal.
42:12
I appreciate the flowers. That really does mean a lot.
42:14
Yeah, I'm glad it's working for you.
42:17
Yeah. But yeah, I want to focus on
42:18
you. So what or how did you react the
42:23
first time you saw that 18/19/20 IVB on the heater?
42:28
Were you like, Nah, that thing's broken, recalibrate it.
42:31
Yeah, so our game mount has a track man.
42:34
So I'll just throw all my bullpens after practice on the
42:36
track man. Our director of OPS guy was
42:39
like, dude, like you just spun a heater like 23 IVB and I'm like,
42:43
no, like that thing. It's a it's, it should be
42:47
running like that's the normal thing that it does.
42:51
And he's like, no, like, I'm serious.
42:52
Like look at these. And sure enough, it was like
42:54
1819, 2020, 23/20/20. And I'm like, you sure those are
43:00
mine? Like that could be somebody
43:02
else. And he's like, no, like that's,
43:05
that's yours. And I it was pretty surreal.
43:08
I guess you could say no, the work throughout the four, four
43:13
or five years has kind of started to pay off.
43:14
It took a little bit longer than you know it does for some
43:17
people, but at the end of the day it is paying off and I think
43:20
I faced live hitters in like 2 weeks, week and a half.
43:22
So I'm really excited to see how that goes, to see how the stuff
43:25
plays against them. Will you be in the indoor or you
43:28
getting out on the field for? That I'm hoping we can get out
43:31
on the field so I can get the track man rolling.
43:33
But in Ohio it's a flip of a coin if it's going to be 65 or
43:36
40. So it'll be probably a
43:39
day-to-day basis. For sure.
43:41
I mean that's super exciting. Where where are you at now?
43:45
I guess in your workload, like how many pitches are you
43:48
throwing in a typical pen? I.
43:50
Mean that's probably been the big thing.
43:51
So heavier days is usually 2 sets of like 15 to 20 and like
43:55
30 to 40 pitches. Lighter days is just kind of
43:57
more like a touch and feel like 20 to 25 touch and feel.
44:01
But for me a touch and feel right now it's 20 to 25 S the
44:04
heavier days. I think that's been the biggest
44:06
thing too, is talking from like a Velo and metrical standpoint
44:10
like this stuff. It's not like it's around the
44:11
board. It's been very like precise and
44:14
accurate and has stayed throughout the course of a
44:17
bullpen, which has been a big thing for me because I mean both
44:20
rehabs or whatever, one pitch is 93 and the next is 83.
44:25
It's just that's a big different.
44:27
But from a Velo standpoint, everything's just held roughly
44:31
like 9394 in the higher intent pens, which is usually my
44:35
heavier days. But same thing with like the
44:37
metrics on it. So the IBB kind of stays the
44:39
same, which has been big time for me, which is honestly
44:43
something I care about more than the Velo due to I've got ride on
44:48
my fastball. That can be a swing in this
44:49
fastball. Heck yeah.
44:51
And that's that's big time. So as long as those things are
44:54
staying pretty consistent, I'm that's what I'm happy with.
44:57
And I think if I had to put anything and point a figure to
45:00
anything, it'd definitely be the flex, bro, just because that's,
45:03
that's the only thing that's really changed for me throughout
45:07
my two rehabs and throughout my baseball career.
45:10
And it's been pretty surreal to see it happen.
45:13
Again, I appreciate that. So thank you.
45:16
So much though, no, it really does mean a lot.
45:18
It's cool to be a part of this journey.
45:21
So I guess what's the ramp up look like then?
45:25
Are you hoping that you can be a starter this year keeping or try
45:29
to keep workloads smaller? Come out of the pen?
45:32
What makes the most sense for the team for you?
45:37
Yeah, I mean, we have a really, really good staff this year.
45:40
Our coach has brought in a lot of really good guys and they're
45:43
also really talented guys, which is awesome to see.
45:45
So we were hoping for a really Goodyear and it ultimately just
45:47
depends what the ballclub needs. So if it's a starter, if it's a,
45:50
if it's a reliever, that's at the end of the day just want to
45:53
get wins. That's the big thing.
45:55
That's what matters at the end of the day.
45:56
So whatever role that is, that's, that's what I'm all
45:59
about. Obviously everybody thinks
46:00
starting's cool. That's a big thing.
46:02
But I think being a bullpen guy is also pretty cool.
46:04
You don't know when you're throwing and you get put into
46:06
the fire real quick and it kind of shows you what you're made
46:09
of. And that's, I think there's a
46:12
lot to be said about that as well.
46:14
Nice. And then do you have any road
46:17
trips series circled this year? Of course, the rivalry with BGSU
46:22
is always exciting. You got it.
46:23
You got to win that. We open up at Oregon which.
46:27
No way. Yeah, it might be a little cold,
46:31
but I've never been to Oregon and I am excited to go.
46:33
It should be a really cool trip and get to see a lot of
46:36
different things and I'm really excited for that one.
46:39
I want to say we go down to North Carolina maybe after that.
46:43
So yeah, so we get to go see some really cool places and I'm
46:46
really excited for that. And there's nothing like going
46:48
on a road trip with the guys. So that's.
46:50
Definitely get tested early too. Yeah, which I mean, Oregon's
46:53
obviously got a really good baseball team.
46:55
Funny enough, they're my head coach is the head coach that
46:57
recruited me to Purdue. So really, yeah, it's a small
47:01
world, I guess you could say. So looking forward to it.
47:03
It'll be a lot of fun and hopefully maybe get a win or
47:05
two. That'd be the biggest thing.
47:07
So yeah, it should be a good time.
47:09
Nice, And then what are you studying right now?
47:12
So I got my undergrad in finance.
47:14
I actually got my undergrad from Purdue in finance and I'm
47:17
currently getting my MBA in finance as well.
47:19
I'm a big finance. I guess you could say finance
47:21
bro. That's the kind of the general
47:23
term. But do.
47:25
You have your best. Exactly.
47:26
I got my vest. I've got my polos in the in the
47:29
closet if you'd like to see that.
47:30
I got a bunch of those all golf polos.
47:32
Have to be after the hat. Do you have a little comb over
47:36
going? I usually I do.
47:37
I mean, usually it's to this side.
47:39
I don't got anything in it right now.
47:40
But yeah, like the definition of one.
47:43
I love analytics. That's why I'm a big metrics
47:45
guy. I love looking at them.
47:47
I love trying to figure them out.
47:48
So yeah, all about finance. So if baseball didn't exist,
47:53
would you be financial analyst? What specific field?
47:57
Or. Wealth management, what's your
47:59
thing? Yeah, I'd love to get into
48:01
investment management. That's like portfolio
48:04
allocations, kind of figuring out your mutual funds, your
48:06
ETFs. But at the end of the day, I do
48:08
want to stay in the Midwest. I'm a Midwest guy, born and
48:11
raised, and I don't want to leave it.
48:12
And you don't really have those opportunities as much in the
48:15
Midwest as you do the bigger cities.
48:17
So most likely I'll probably go to the financial analyst, the
48:19
the wealth management route and a lot of great people within the
48:22
wealth management field and they say they love it.
48:24
So that seems and you get to build a lot of awesome personal
48:28
relationships with people. I think that's the biggest
48:30
thing. So yeah, just any of those
48:32
options and kind of see where it takes me.
48:34
So are you the guy I should be talking to about crypto?
48:38
I'm not a crypto guy. I have a lot of friends that are
48:41
crypto guys. Yeah, that's because you're in
48:43
the baseball world. Yeah, it's the number one
48:45
crypto. Crypto and day trading, I mean,
48:48
those two things are like the big things ever.
48:50
But no, I, I sit in those conversations and I am I'm a
48:54
minority. I guess you could say I do not
48:57
understand crypto. I don't understand the science
49:00
behind it. It's too volatile for me.
49:03
It goes up and down too much. I'm a big like buy and hold guy.
49:07
Get a good company, figure out what's good about it.
49:10
If they hold the competitive advantage, that's my type of
49:12
company. So I'm a much different investor
49:16
than my account, you could say. Well, then I'm not sure you're
49:19
built for indie ball. I know, I know, the hope is to
49:22
play some affiliated ball post college.
49:25
But indie ball, I tell you man, that is all crypto.
49:29
Crypto conspiracies. I can't imagine it.
49:33
I've only one buddy the other day texting like Bitcoin's up.
49:37
You need to start thinking about buying.
49:38
I'm like, dude, I, I don't understand it.
49:41
And then there's companies along with Bitcoin that he's getting
49:45
into and I'm like, you know, way more than me.
49:48
So yeah, buy and hold and see where it takes me.
49:51
That's that's my thought process.
49:54
Then anything else you got going on besides baseball, school,
49:58
anything that like are you a golf guy?
50:00
Anything else excites you? Uber big, big time golf guy I'm
50:04
actually going after after this is done.
50:07
I've got a few time after this. I've already played two times
50:10
this week. So what are you playing at
50:12
today? I'm going out to Maumee Bay.
50:15
Love that track. Very nice track.
50:17
Hard track. Very nice I'm.
50:19
Incredibly difficult, especially this time of year.
50:22
Oh yeah, when the winds blowing and it's all open, it makes for
50:26
a good time though. I'm a big, I play a legacy.
50:29
I play a legacy a lot. Another great one.
50:31
I mean Legacy is just like a slightly easier mom eBay.
50:35
Exactly. Yeah, that's the one.
50:37
I like Legacy because it's nice and nice and easy.
50:40
That's like a perfect combination.
50:42
And it's on the cheaper side. I mean, a college student, I
50:44
don't have that much money in the bank right now, so gotta
50:47
take as many cheap options as I can get.
50:49
So Legacy is like, perfect. Yeah.
50:51
Legacy is ideal. Yeah.
50:53
Last time I was up in Toledo, the two courses I played were
50:56
Legacy and Mommy Bay. And Legacy was my prep day for
51:00
Mommy Bay. Yeah, because I mean, we're
51:02
going my butt. They all wanted to play Maumee
51:05
Bay and I'm like guys, it's like howling outside like you're
51:08
going to hit a ball. You got to hit a ball 2 fairways
51:10
over to get it in your fairway. So like, we'll see.
51:13
We'll see what we go and see what we shoot and have a good
51:16
time with it. I mean, Legacy can blow a little
51:18
bit too. I the other day it was pretty
51:20
windy and it was blowing as well.
51:22
Yeah. Well, hey, that's fall golf in
51:25
the Midwest. If you can handle that, you're
51:27
you're built for May and June. That's right, yeah.
51:31
So I mean, me and my pops will always take a golf trip here and
51:33
there, so we're going out to Arizona in December to go play
51:37
some courses, so. That's very cool.
51:39
He's also a big golfer. He actually beat me the other
51:41
day. He won't let me hear the end of
51:42
it, so I got to get my game right, so he does.
51:45
That doesn't happen again. Spoken like a true pitcher I
51:48
guess you are built for built for pro ball so hopefully
51:51
everything works out for you. I.
51:53
Appreciate it. Thank you so much.
51:56
Yeah, you got the coffee, you got golf.
51:58
You you're checking all the boxes.
52:01
And I hope so. I hope my coffee is not too
52:03
white girlish. But it's all right.
52:04
My girlfriend will give me crap for it but it's OK.
52:09
All right, man. Well, I really appreciate the
52:10
time today. That's everything I have for
52:13
you. Unless there's anything else you
52:15
want to throw our way, you feel like we missed anything.
52:18
I think we had it all. It was awesome.
52:19
It was a good time. Perfect.
52:21
Well, go Rockets, Toledo, all that stuff.
52:27
And it was a pleasure to get to talk to you and hear your story.
52:31
I'm sure the audience appreciated it.
52:33
So yeah, man, this was awesome. Can't wait to follow what the
52:37
season holds for you. It it's going to be great to see
52:40
how this all plays out and. Looking forward to it, it'll be
52:44
a good one for sure. For sure.
52:46
And to all the listeners out there, thanks for laying back
52:48
with us.