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Cults, UFOs and Deception · Ryder Lee

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  Hellow conspiracy players, welcome to another episode on this very special Father's Day edition
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  of Conspiracy Playtime. We have one father and one nonfather, maybe a future
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  father. I don't know. We could ask how he feels about that when
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  we start maybe some All right, writer Lee, welcome to the show man.
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  Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. My friend has been
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  I like your poster in the background of Clockwork Orange. That's what my second
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  documentary is going to be about. You know, I kinda was going to
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  ask you about that. I heard you on some other podcasts talking about you're
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  working on like an mk Ultra Hollywood Kubrick thing right now. Yeah, it's
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  going to be incredible. I'm really looking forward to it. I originally wanted
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  to make the documentary that I'm making right now first, but we decided to
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  go with jfk X Solving the Crime of the Century first. What you can
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  check out on Amazon Prime and you can watch it for free on t B
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  as well. It's on like twenty five different streaming platforms. But yeah,
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  this next one is going to be all about Hollywood and k Ultra, Stanley
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  Kubrick, the Shining the Clockwork Orange, and it's going to be it's going
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  to be mind blowing. So hopefully it'll be finished by the end of August.
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  You know, those are a lot of my favorite talks right there.
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  I love the old Hollywood stuff, Laurel Canyon stuff. Oh man, we
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  got a huge section on Laurel Canyon and Lookout Mountain in the docum Ooh and
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  Kubrick, you know, probably filmed the moon landing there. I don't know,
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  that's kind of what I speculate, but yeah, my producer of the
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  documentary, Jay Widener, he's the one that created that theory. He started
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  that theory Reallybrick's Odyssey, Cubick's Odyssey one and two. He started the theory
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  that Stanley Kubrick faked the moon landing. Sweet everyone has copied off of him
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  and then created this whole thing. But he's really humble in a lot of
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  aspects, and he just likes the information to get out there, so he
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  doesn't call a lot of people on it. When I mean, it's become
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  really popular in the past couple of years now, like a lot of piktok
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  videos and a lot of people just posted and don't even know where where it
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  comes from. Where the original idea come from, but it came from a
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  Cubricks odyssey and Jay Widener, Yeah, it wasn't there some weird movie on
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  Netflix? Room two feet what room the hotel room? And he was also
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  he was also in that documentary as well. Oh, he was talked about
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  it. Yeah. All right, So let's let's talk about you a little
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  bit. You're research your documentarian and podcaster. I mean, you kind of
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  have your fingers in a lot of pies here, so you want to like
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  kind of talk about how you stumbled into all this. Is it something you've
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  always been into? Well, I've always been in the weird and strange things,
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  you know, growing up, I was, you know, I have
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  some experiences that you know, I don't talk about because there's really no point
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  in really actually talking about it because it doesn't I don't know what it is,
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  and it doesn't really matter to me what it is. I think unexplainable
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  things happen all the time in our reality, and sometimes we're not meant to
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  know what it is, and any attempt to actually figure it out just furthers
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  you down into theory and speculation. And that's not me saying that theory and
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  speculation is bad. But you know, if I were to talk about some
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  of my experiences to some people within the community, which I have, they
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  try and tell you what you experienced, you know what I mean. They'll
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  be like, yeah, it was great aliens. They were abducting you,
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  they were freaking you, doing a DNA switch on you and all this stuff,
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  and you were on a ship and they come by every couple of years
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  to check up on you. And I'm like, no, that's not what's
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  happened at all. But that's the kind of group high mentality that's going on
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  with the community, Like they're trying to insert their own ideas and thoughts and
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  beliefs and theories onto you to get you a part of this whole group of
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  people, when nine times out of ten, nobody experiences that. That type
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  of stuff, you know, and which we'll get into later on with regressions
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  and like all that, because it's a big sham as well. But anyway,
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  I just kind of like fell into it. I watched, you know,
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  the movie Zeitgeist when it came out in two thousand and eight. I
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  think that's when it came out around that time around that area. Don't quote
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  me one I have so many sounds about right, I have so many dates,
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  and there's so many things that I got to remember in my head.
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  But the I watched that movie and I was like, oh wow, you
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  know, like it's all a bunch of nonsense, you know, because it
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  gets into the you know, the money, the currency, nine to eleven,
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  religion, and then because I always knew that there was something wrong with
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  the way that our society operates, you know, things didn't seem right,
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  and I knew that from a very young age. I was like, why
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  are these people so disingenuous? Like why are they hiding something from me?
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  It feels like they're all hiding something from me. They're not telling me exactly
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  what's going on. So that just took me down a whole path of you
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  know, getting into research and going deep down and getting into spirituality. That's
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  the main reason that I started my show Raised by Giants was you know,
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  that was the original thought was spirituality because I was like, well, you
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  know, how do we fix a lot of the problems and the things that
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  we have going on in our society? And I was like, well,
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  you know, if people would just become more spiritual and more in tune with
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  themselves and stop looking to outside sources to save them. Then I think they
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  as we get better. And I still believe in that. But a lot
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  of the spiritual community is full of a bunch of gobbly goob nonsense new age
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  garbage as well. And that's what I figured out with all of the communities
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  all like that. All of them are filled with just a bunch of nonsense.
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  But that's where I started, was with the spiritual community. And you
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  know, I thought that all these people knew what they were talking about,
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  you know, and I thought that they practiced what they said that they did,
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  you know, like they're on here talking about all well, I do
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  this. I do that, I contact my spirit guides, that the extraterrestrials
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  come down and meet me in my home and I have conversations with them and
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  blah blah blah blah blah blah. And at first it sounds fascinating and it
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  sounds like, oh, well, you know, maybe they are telling the
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  truth, maybe they are in contact with something. But the more you look
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  at it, the more you realize it's a bunch of nonsense and they're just
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  making shut up and they don't do any of the things that they say that
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  they do. It's like a it's it's been all wrapped into this this freaking
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  spiritual New Age nonsense. And then I was like, Okay, well where
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  does a lot of these thoughts and a lot of these ideas come from.
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  And then I started getting in the cults, into UFO cults, and I
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  tracked back the Cult of im all the way back to the thirties with Guy
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  and the Ballard, and you realize that that is where a lot of this
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  stuff started. So with Guy and and the Ballard, with the Cult of
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  I Am in the early thirties, they had all of these concepts wrapped up
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  into their cult that people talk about to this very day. Like twin Flames
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  wasn't called twin flames back then. It was called twin Rays. You know,
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  like all of these different thoughts and ideas that have just been morphed and
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  then changed into something different and kind of renamed, but is very similar for
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  a new generation of people. And I studied all these calls, looked at
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  all of them, all of the UFO cults, and there's a big boom
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  in the early fifties. You got the Ashtar galactic command called you have the
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  seekers UFO call, you have the Unarious Academy called, and it seems like
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  that what a lot of people are regurgitating are the exact same beliefs and the
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  same structures from these cults, And especially with the Heaven's Gate call, like
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  a lot of the things that Marshall apple White was talking about, and you
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  can find all of that information. He recorded like hundreds and hundreds of sessions
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  where he's just talking and talking and talking, very interesting things that he's saying.
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  But when you realize that what he's singing, other people have just changed
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  and turned just slightly, and then it's become a part of their beliefs system
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  and their belief structure as well. So well, the culture're talking about right
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  now, do you ever in your research uncovered military intelligence or just basic intelligence
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  connections with any or all of them, Not directly, but I mean indirectly,
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  because it all started in the early fifties, there was that big boom,
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  and that's right when the MK Ultra programs, the CIA started MK ulture
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  programs. So there's there's an inadvertent connection there, but nothing that really connects
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  them directly to I mean, there's a few of them that like the Order
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  of the Solar Temple in Geneva, Switzerland, which was a very prominent cult
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  and would only accept members it had a lot of money that was like high
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  up in scientology sort of. And so it's not out of the realm of
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  possibility that a lot of people, a lot of the followers of some of
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  these cults could have been in positions of power. They could have been CIA
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  representatives, they could have been military assets, they could have been three letter
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  organization people, because they really got a lot of well known I mean,
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  if you look at David Grush and the Waco the branch davidians oh yeah,
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  sorry, I get him, yeah Brush, because they're very, very similar,
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  and no one has really put that together. I've been trying to say
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  that for a long time since Dave Grush came out the UFO whistleblower, because
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  right whenever he came out, I was in like a huge, big deep
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  dive into Waco, and I was like, this guy, his name sounds
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  exactly like David Kresh, Dave Dave Krash, Yeah, almost identical. I
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  was like, is no one putting this together? Right now? If you
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  say it in a hurry, it's there's no difference between them, really,
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  yeah, no difference, but he has he had a lot of like he
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  had like lawyers and like, yeah, the mailman was a follower of the
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  branch Davidians. And isn't he the one who tipped him off to the mail
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  man? Well, yeah, he's the one that came in to the compound
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  and was like yeah, they're they're getting ready to mount an attack. So,
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  I mean, there's so many different correlations. And that's another thing that
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  people is like, well, how can these you know, high up individuals
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  get involved in this kind of stuff? And you know, with the Heavens
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  skate call a lot of the people that came and said well, you know,
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  how did you get involved in this and all that? And they're like,
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  well, it's because it was something that I had never heard before and
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  I found it so interesting and I started following it and I got into it,
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  and then the Heaven's Gate got into like all this androgynois Yeah, if
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  they started making people dress androgynous and men couldn't have beards, women couldn't have
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  long hair. Weren't many of the men castrated that were in Heaven's Gates.
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  I believe it was five of them they got chemically Well it's up in the
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  air if they were chemically castrated or the another where they actually got cut.
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  No one really knows, but I believe officially it was Marshall apple White,
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  which was the head of the cult, and five of the followers traveled to
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  Mexico and got castrated. Now you could just do that over the counter in
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  America with all the hormone therapies you can get. You know, it's crazy
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  and a little bit ahead at the time, that exactly. And then as
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  a part of the agenda and everything that he was talking about and how he
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  wanted to form and structure everyone and get everyone on like a regimented schedule where
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  they can only have a certain amount of food at a certain time. They
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  all had to dress the same way, they got the same rations, the
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  same portions. There was a list of rules and guidelines that you have to
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  follow. You know. He wanted all the followers to be very robotic.
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  He even changed the names of all of the followers. He changed him to
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  Odi, so the last name was always Ody. Well, he combined the
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  first like three letters of their name along with Odi, so it'd be like
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  Ryoty if I was a Heaven's Gate cult follower. He would have changed my
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  name to Ryoti. Now, was this technically a UFO cult because they believed
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  they were going to hop on behind the comment as it passed by, or
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  is it it's kind of its own thing? I classified as a UFO call
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  because the whole premise of what they talked about was that a ship was going
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  to come down and ascend them into the ship, and then that they would
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  then be transformed into an extraterrestrial and live forever in the level above human.
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  Okay, so that was the whole thing. But then it started to kind
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  of fall apart. Whenever Bonnie Nettles died. She died brain cancer, and
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  that was his kind of significant un there, but not really because they were
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  supposedly a sexual. I guess you can have relationships with that fucking but I
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  don't know. It seems weird to me. Yeah, And whenever she died
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  and she didn't ascend up into the next level above human in an intergalactic spaceship,
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  people were like, what's going on here? What are you doing?
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  So then he just started clam down like hardcore I meet it about like a
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  spiritual ascension and started talking about how we're just vessels and we're like a skin
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  suit, and our consciousness is inside of the skin suit that allows us to
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  animate this body and go around. And then whenever we die, our consciousness,
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  our physical body dies, it doesn't transform into an extraterrestrial and the next
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  level evolutionary level above human. Our physical body dies, but our consciousness goes
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  on. So were they expecting her to make contact and she didn't, They're
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  like, hey, what the hell's going on here? Well, yeah,
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  they've been preaching this idea that if you're a follower of this called and you
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  follow their strict guidelines and listen to what they say, and you believe it
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  that you're going to physically ascend into a spacecraft when you die, then you'll
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  be transformed into an immortal extraterrestrial. So, had she not died, very
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  possible that the mass suicide would have not taken place as it did, maybe
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  as soon as it did, or if at all. Yeah, that's a
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  good question. It's a high possibility that it wouldn't have happened the way that
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  it did if she wouldn't have died. But they all change up their beliefs
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  and their doctrine when something unexpected occurs that they can't really explain. They then
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  switch it and change it and to kind of eded out what they were seeing
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  before, and then they kept the whole thing going. Like the Order of
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  the Solar Temple with Joseph Demambro, he uh, he got caught faking apparitions
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  with smoking mirrors and like freaking all this stuff during their initiation ceremony because that
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  was a way to get the initiates to believe that he really was in contact
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  with the Brotherhood. Right, so whenever they were doing this Masonic ritualistic initiation
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  into their cult, they would they would fake an apparition that the initiate would
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  one see and then that would solidify the that it's real. They would become
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  a devout follower, and then that they would give all their money to the
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  cult. And then he got caught up because his daughter rotted him out and
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  was like, hey, ah, you're just you're you're faking all this stuff,
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  and I know that you're faking it. So he then in order to
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  cover that up, he started saying that all of his all the followers were
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  very important people. They were all reincarnations of famous saints throughout history, which
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  is another motif that the Heaven's Gate Call did as well. He started saying
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  that all of the followers of the cult were which he claimed that he was
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  the reincarnation of Jesus Christ himself more shall away from the Heaven's Gate courts.
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  Really he said that, wow, And he said that all of the followers
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  were all of his disciples back whenever he was Jesus, and that body metals
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  was Mary Magdalen. Oh, that's starting to unfamiliar now, and there the
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  two from the Book of Revelations. You know, it's just it's it's it's
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  another thing to like hook people in, you know, like when one thing
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  doesn't work out, they're like, oh, well, how do we switch
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  this up and change it and work it to our benefit. I see a
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  lot of big podcasts doing that, like, yes, oh, this market's
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  big now, so I'm to become this guy and then like you cast a
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  wide enough net, you know where you can get a lot more attention that
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  way. And some of it might be that's the word I'm looking for,
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  like legit. I guess like they're truthful about it. But I see like
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  Christianity right now is really big and a lot of podcasters are having reawakenings into
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  Christianity, and maybe it is genuine. I don't know, but it's kind
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  of convenient that you see the whole Maga movement kind of shifted conspiracy into a
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  conservative religious type area where all the new conspiracy theorists these days are kind of
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  in that crowd. So you see a lot of the big content creators kind
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  of making that shift. Yeah, they've turned into political pundits. Yeah,
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  so weird, dude. I don't know when this switch happened. It had
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  to have happened in around two fifteen two, I think that's dead on.
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  Yeah, and then of course the Key movie brought in a whole bunch of
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  others, but it was already happening before that. That was kind of that
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  I scene on the shit Cake. Yeah, I'm glad that you recognize that
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  because I've seen that as well. Like, because back whenever I was looking
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  into a lot of this stuff, it was just straight wild and wacky conspiracy
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  theories and that was the fun part of it, Like you knew that a
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  lot of it was nonsense, but it was fun to listen to. None
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  of these people are fun to listen to anymore, Like I don't listen to
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  anybody hardly anything. It can be tough. Yeah, I mean I'll put
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  in Joe Rogan because I like Joe Rogan, like that's really about it.
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  And but anybody else, dude, like I just like I don't get it,
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  Like I don't really understand it, and people can come at me whatever.
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  With Joe Rogan, I really don't care if like I've always listened to
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  him. Yeah, I a critical mind things differently. He actually pulls up
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  evidence and people say that you, oh, he's a sigh op and then
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  he's just controlled opposition. Who the who the fuck cares? Like, I
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  really don't care. I think that what he's putting out is uh is solid
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  information, and he tries to verify that information. He tries to pull it
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  up and come to a solid conclusion. Did you what was your take on
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  the Terrence Howard stuff? Did you get into any of that? I didn't
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  really get into it. I listened to it. Yeah, I see it.
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  To me, I think it was Isaac Weishaup, who even probably was
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  on tinfoil hat that he said it. He just, you know, he
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  needs to learn to dumb down his material or else. I'm just gonna think
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  he's full of shit, and I don't think that's always easy for like,
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  this guy is a legit genius. They don't realize that they need to dumb
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  down their stuff oftentimes. So I don't know anyway, Yeah, I think
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  that the whole conspiracy movement these days is there's a lot of pro government inside
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  of it, which was antithetical to everything I ever thought about with conspiracy stuff
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  exactly. It went from we never trust the government, we don't let the
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  government tell us what to do. They're in charge of everything, and now
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  being in full swing, full pro government. It's wild. It's like the
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  punk movement now if you remember the punk movement, like back in the nineties,
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  like late eighties into the nineties, they're like all against government, and
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  now they're all for government. Yeah, all of the bring the system down
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  bans of the nineties were the ones that were pushing the vacks the hardest,
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  like all of them. That's right, it's wild whenever you think about it,
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  and I think you're Ryan and singing that the QAnon thing kind of pushed
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  a lot of people in that direction. It's just really strange. And you
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  know, they also with the taking down of a lot of people's shows and
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  the YouTube purging, it's difficult for new people to really figure out where a
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  lot of this stuff started. Like I was looking for Jim Mars things online
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  the other day because I was making a short video because I mentioned him and
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  I wanted to put him in the short video of the reel, and I
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  tapped in Jim Mars on YouTube. Nothing nothing on Jim Mars. I saw
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  you live last night talking about how you had gone on the hunt for this
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  old Alex Jones Joe Rogan clip and it was almost impossible to find. Like
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  I have a lot of similar events happened where I know I saw this,
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  and I never think to back things up because you don't know what they're going
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  to take down. So did you get affected personally by any of this YouTube
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  censorship where big purge. No, I didn't because I didn't start my channel
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  until twenty twenty, and I meet up all about spirituality. So you made
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  it through the whole COVID censorship thing. Yeah, because I didn't mention it.
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  I didn't say it. I didn't talk about it because I wanted to
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  be safe with it, because I'm not going to be a martyr. I
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  mean, if people don't know what was going on with COVID by now,
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  they're not going to they don't. Yeah, I mean literally no point in
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  talking about it now because the people that already know what's going on already know
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  what's going on. The people that don't know what's going on, they're not
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  going to change. No. Yeah, I think very similarly to that.
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  Okay, So when we were just on the topic, I think it's a
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  good segue because we're talking about people being like, not so much as pro
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  government, but they'll actually take the government's perspective at face value, as such
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  as the big disclosure movement that's kind of recently unfolding before our very eyes,
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  to where I don't know, what, do you you could tie that into
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  this big sy op that you have been looking into lately if you can,
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  or we could go back even further than that. I don't know where you
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  want to start. Yeah, I mean we have, like the we've let
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  the UFO and the extraterrestrial speculation go so far out of hand that I personally
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  believe that it serves to make people easily fooled by scammers, drifters, fraudsters
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  that really prefer a lie and bring zero evidence and zero proof to what they're
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  talking about. And this could mean that any group or individual or government could
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  use this modern myth of UFOs and extraterrestrials that could be used to, for
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  the lack of a better word, undermine our society through the deceptiveness missing disinformation
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  surrounding UFO. Because when you track back all this stuff and you really get
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  into the weeds on where a lot of these thoughts and theories, just like
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  what I was talking about with the UFO cults and how that has morphed and
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  changed into a lot of the New Age thoughts and ideas and philosophy. The
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  UFO missing disinformation that has come directly from the government has shaped and molded ufology
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  and this current contacta movement really started with a gentleman named Samuel Eaton Thompson in
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  nineteen fifty, and no one talks about because they've never even heard his name.
• 26:37
  And this is connected also with Kenneth Arnold. But Samuel Eaton Thompson in
• 26:44
  nineteen fifty claimed that he was driving in Washington State and he saw a strange
• 26:49
  craft and that there was beings outside of the children and he walked up to
• 26:55
  the craft. They invited him into the craft. They told him that they
• 26:57
  were Venetians, that they were vegetarians, that they are here too, they
• 27:07
  just randomly came by Earth, and that a lot of their other people that
• 27:11
  try to visit Earth, their ships are shot down by military weapons, but
• 27:18
  somehow they made it, and that in the year of I believe it was
• 27:26
  the year five thousand. I'd have to look it up, so don't quote
• 27:30
  me, but the year of five thousand is when Jesus Christ is supposed to
• 27:34
  return, right, So we got a while, got a while, We
• 27:38
  got a while to wait, Okay. Jesus isn't coming back for at least
• 27:41
  another three thousand years, Okay, So don't don't be thinking that this end
• 27:45
  of the world yet. We got a lot of more lives to go before
• 27:48
  we get to the Jesus Christ return. Right. But no one ever talks
• 27:52
  about these people because the story was really overshadowed by Kenneth Arno's sightings in nineteen
• 28:00
  forty seven and then later on Betty and Barney Hill in nineteen sixty one.
• 28:03
  Just like who I was mentioning earlier, George man Tassel with the Ashtar Galactic
• 28:08
  Command cult in nineteen fifty two, or George King from the Etherist Society cult,
• 28:15
  or Dorothy Martin from the Seekers UFO called in nineteen fifty four that made
• 28:18
  several predictions that didn't come true. And she made this prediction that in the
• 28:30
  year of nineteen fifty three, December twenty third of nineteen fifty three, a
• 28:34
  UFO was going to land and save us from a big natural disaster that was
• 28:40
  getting ready to happen, and that we would be saved by this extraterrestrial race.
• 28:47
  So then a psychiatrist infiltrated into the group and to study their behaviors whenever
• 28:56
  the predictions didn't come true. He was the actual person that coined the term
• 29:00
  cognitive dissonance. I once heard that term cognitive dissonance. Well, they don't
• 29:04
  know that it came from a freaking studying a UFO cult, the Seekert's UFO
• 29:10
  cult, Dorothy Martin from nineteen fifty four. So all of these supposed you
• 29:19
  know, this contact Tea movement has brought about a wave of theories and speculations
• 29:25
  that can really be tied to the rise and the popularization of the extra trestrial
• 29:32
  myth, which is a huge aspect of ufology that literally no one wants to
• 29:36
  talk about, and it's a huge issue and it's steeped in mental illness and
• 29:45
  drug addiction and drug abuse right well, and it really starts with Kenneth Arnold,
• 29:53
  which was the first in modern times to see a UFO, and the
• 30:03
  miss and disinformation and the misquote that was that Kimi Thornald said that he said
• 30:10
  wasn't really true. See Kimith Thornald said that he was flying this plane in
• 30:15
  Washington, d C. In nineteen forty seven. He saw a string of
• 30:19
  craft up to nine I believe it was, and then he he landed his
• 30:29
  plane in Yakima, Washington. He talked to some of his friends. His
• 30:33
  friends said, Okay, so you said Washington, d C. So this
• 30:37
  was Washington State where where he's flying? Okay, I'm sorry, did I
• 30:41
  say? Did I say? Washington? Said DT? And I was kind
• 30:42
  of confused, just because I'd heard you talk about this on another show.
• 30:48
  So it's Washington sta, I said, That's okay, Washington, No worries.
• 30:52
  I've had a lot of things that I need to remember, but he's
• 30:56
  Washington State, Okay. So and it's important to realize that a lot of
• 31:03
  the things that a lot of the sightings from back in the day, they
• 31:10
  weren't you know, there were shields, there were pillars, there were flying
• 31:14
  chariots. And it's important to talk about that because I realized the history of
• 31:18
  this stuff because but just because I don't mention it doesn't mean that I don't
• 31:22
  know about it, right, And you always have that one person that's like,
• 31:27
  oh, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. There's been a
• 31:30
  history of these UFOs way back in the day. Blah blah blah blah blah,
• 31:33
  and uh, you know he's full of shit. Well I know about
• 31:37
  all that stuff, but it wasn't it wasn't flying saucers back then. They
• 31:42
  were seeing something different. And that gets in the Carl Jung's perspective on what
• 31:48
  UFOs are and how it's like a projection of what we're going through at that
• 31:52
  time and the things that we know about and the things that we've experienced.
• 31:56
  So people are out on the battlefield seeing that I seen a disc in the
• 32:04
  sky or the sun. I mean there's people back in the day that thought
• 32:07
  that the sun that would come up was a UFO. They caught it.
• 32:12
  A disc disc comes up in the morning and then it sets at night,
• 32:17
  you know. And through those times and through the experiences that these people have
• 32:22
  had, they they correlate something that they see psychologically in the sky to what's
• 32:29
  going on during their time. Mm hmm and uh, that's right. But
• 32:35
  back to Kenneth Arnold sod landing in Yakima, Washington, when I when I
• 32:42
  you have to ask about DC. Yeah, So he landed in Yakima,
• 32:45
  Washington. He told his friend Al Baxter about the sighting Arnold and shared a
• 32:52
  story with other pilots. They said maybe what he had saw was uh,
• 32:57
  you know, military missiles, and they claimed it maybe it was a military
• 33:01
  craft. And Arnold he wasn't really he didn't really believe these explanations that these
• 33:07
  other people and his friends and other pilots were telling him that he saw.
• 33:13
  So the next day he walked into a news station and told his story to
• 33:15
  a gentleman named Nolan Skiff. Now Nolan published a short article with the headline
• 33:23
  that said something like impossible but maybe seeing his believing and the story was then
• 33:30
  forwarded to the Associated Press and then it got worldwide distribution and from that point,
• 33:37
  the turn Flying Saucer was born. And when you look at Arnold's testimony,
• 33:43
  which he did a lot of interviews, he did a lot of radio
• 33:46
  shows, he never used the term flying saucer to describe the shape of the
• 33:52
  craft, right. He said that the shape was bat shaped, crescent shaped,
• 33:55
  boomerang shape, half moon shaped. And he said that a lot of
• 34:01
  what people said that he had saw were misunderstood, like a lot of what
• 34:06
  the newspapers in the headlines were creating the term flying saucer when he said that,
• 34:12
  he never said that the shape of the craft was the flying saucer.
• 34:15
  And then he worked very difficult, really hard up until the end of his
• 34:17
  life, I believe, in nineteen eighty four to really combat the flying saucer
• 34:22
  narrative. But the problem is is it became such a frenzy topic and then
• 34:27
  other people started to report seeing the same thing. See, it just takes
• 34:30
  one person to see something really strange and really weird, and then other people
• 34:36
  jump on board and claim that they've seen the exact same thing. It's kind
• 34:38
  of like with Whitley Strieber in his book Communion with the Gray Aliens. Nobody
• 34:43
  talked about gray aliens up until the point that that book came out, and
• 34:45
  same with Bud Hopkins in his book Missing Time. No one talked about Missing
• 34:51
  Time until his book came out on Missing Time and related what people were experiencing
• 35:00
  to UFO abductions to extraterrestrial aductions. So it just takes one person and it
• 35:07
  blow up in order to create this entire frenzy. And then it doesn't matter
• 35:14
  if people saw the same thing or not. They're going to say that they
• 35:16
  saw the same thing. And then when you get into what was the term
• 35:20
  flying saucer before? What was that used for before nineteen forty seven and Kennethornald
• 35:25
  in these newspapers coming down and seeing the Kennethorno saw the flying saucer at which
• 35:30
  I'm going to get into here in a few minutes, but I don't want
• 35:32
  to get off tracks. So the media took the saucer title and they just
• 35:43
  ran with it, and they created all these headlines saucer shaped craft were spotted
• 35:47
  when Arnold literally never referred to the shape of the craft as saucer and shape
• 35:52
  again, it was bat shaped, crescent shape, moon shape, shaped like
• 35:54
  a pie pan, and a pie pan or a pie plate. And in
• 36:00
  nineteen sixty Arnold came out with a drawing of the craft he saw, and
• 36:06
  it's batshaped, circular winged in the back. And you would think with Arnold
• 36:13
  coming out with this drawing of the craft, it would really stop everyone from
• 36:17
  continuing to talk about flying saucers. But it didn't because too much time had
• 36:22
  passed in between him seeing it and talking about it and then the artist's rendition
• 36:30
  coming out. It was just kind of ignored because the flying saucer talk had
• 36:35
  become such a popular thing that there was no stopping it. It was a
• 36:38
  train that was heading for a crash, and there was no stopping that train.
• 36:45
  Right. So on April seventh, nineteen fifty, Arnold spills the beings
• 36:52
  on all the flying saucer misrepresentation and misquote. Arnold said that the objects that
• 36:58
  he witnessed fluttered like there were boats on really rough water, and he said
• 37:05
  that they flew. They flew like a saucer thrown across water. And most
• 37:10
  of the newspapers at that time misunderstood and misquoted him saying that the shape of
• 37:16
  the craft was sorcerer in shape. When Arnold said that they flew like saucer's
• 37:22
  thrown across water. They missed this ten years before he came out with the
• 37:27
  grawings. Then, yeah, well it was Yeah, he came out with
• 37:31
  the drawing in I believe nineteen nineteen sixty. Yes, so he's still like
• 37:38
  trying to get this point across after all this time. That's crazy. Then,
• 37:44
  yeah, no one's listening to him. Yeah, he said that they
• 37:46
  flew like saucerers skipping across water, and the headline said that they were saucer
• 37:51
  and shape, and that's probably the the biggest misquote of all time, you
• 37:59
  know. And he also claimed the he had several other signings after that,
• 38:06
  which you know, we don't really know if they were real or not,
• 38:10
  because he'd probably seen the public interest was peaking really big and he wanted to
• 38:17
  try and one up himself, as kind of like making a sequel to a
• 38:21
  movie, right, you want to make the sequel to the movie bigger and
• 38:23
  better than the first one, And that's probably what he was trying to do.
• 38:29
  But none of the other signings ever gained any kind of traction because it
• 38:31
  had taken off and other people were experiencing the same thing. But he also
• 38:37
  quoted that what other people were experiencing at that time were not the same,
• 38:43
  or they were nothing at all. So if people would have just listened to
• 38:46
  Kenneth Donald from the beginning, they'd realize that a lot of the stuff is
• 38:51
  nonsense. And then you get into what the turn flying saucer actually was before
• 38:55
  it was associated with UFOs. And this is a bender because a lot of
• 39:00
  people that know about this don't even know what to think about it. They
• 39:07
  it's perplexing. So before it was associated with UFOs, flying saucers was a
• 39:13
  sport. In This sport predated Arnold's sightings by over sixty years, which was
• 39:19
  called trap shooting, which was started in the late eighteen hundreds as a way
• 39:23
  to train hunters and shooters in which they would release live birds from a cage
• 39:29
  use them as target practice, and then later it was changed to these little
• 39:32
  clay flat disc I'm sure that if people aren't familiar with trap shooting, you've
• 39:38
  probably seen it in a movie or something like an old school movie where you
• 39:43
  know, Paul Rich and sophisticated people would you know, throw up these clay
• 39:49
  pigeons and they would have a shotgun or a gun or whatever and they would
• 39:52
  shoot the clay pigeon and explode it. So a man binding the name of
• 40:00
  Charles Lewitski in eighteen eighty he was the one that dubbed these little clay pigeons
• 40:07
  flying saucers. I hope you see where this is going. So by the
• 40:13
  early nineteen hundreds, flying saucers, which are now clay pigeons, have become
• 40:19
  a very popular sport. There were competitions, championships, and there was newspaper
• 40:24
  headlines that would say that the skies of North America are covered in flying saucers,
• 40:30
  flying through the air, exploding and falling to Earth, and they even
• 40:34
  look like what the commonly accepted version of what people think of UFO is.
• 40:42
  Yes, the exact replica of the phrases that everyone thought several decades later with
• 40:46
  Kenneth Arnold sing the Roswell siding and the sightings in the fifties. There's no
• 40:52
  way that that's just a coincidence, right, And it would explain the need
• 40:59
  for the media machine to keep on track with the description of flying sascers,
• 41:05
  because clearly there's some intent behind this to we're already seated, our minds are
• 41:10
  already seated with these things. And once you like predictive or you program somebody
• 41:17
  that is yeah, you just accept it a lot easier. And like you
• 41:22
  said, the imagery is just spot on. It is unbelievable. And by
• 41:29
  the nineteen hundreds, the named flying saucerers. By the early nineteen hundreds,
• 41:34
  it had become such a commonplace name. It had been being used for over
• 41:38
  two decades, the support of flying saucers. Now it became so popular it
• 41:45
  was even adopted by the Olympics in nineteen sixteen. And then, now,
• 41:52
  let me ask you, did they change the name of the original flying saucer
• 41:55
  to clay pigeon after Kinnethernoald's story because it was just like, well, we
• 41:59
  can't call playing sass anymore. Well, it kind of it fell out of
• 42:02
  favor whenever the military adopted it to train their soldiers in target practice in the
• 42:08
  beginning of World War two. Okay, so whenever America got involved in World
• 42:15
  War two, which I think is nineteen forty two, somewhere around in there.
• 42:22
  I think it's nineteen forty two or nineteen forty. It was late,
• 42:24
  we entered the war, really late. But the Air Force adopted the clay
• 42:31
  pigeons, which were called flying saucers, and then that fell out of favor
• 42:35
  within the public. People stopped, people stopped doing it because the military took
• 42:40
  it over. And then with Kenneth Arnold's sightings two years after the war ends
• 42:47
  in nineteen forty five, then it gets a rebrand into these into flying saucers
• 42:57
  that are supposedly piloted by extra trestrials, right, And I mean, we
• 43:02
  can't discount the food fighter program that the Germans supposedly had going on. So
• 43:07
  it just made me think of that when you're training people to shoot flying saucers
• 43:12
  in the military, And I know, like we could go down all sorts
• 43:15
  of crazy rabbit holes with the whole food fighter program and the Antarctica and all
• 43:20
  that, but that's that's another show. Yeah, So we have this,
• 43:24
  We have the clay pigeons being called flying saucers since nineteen eighty, hundreds and
• 43:30
  thousands of people being familiar with that term but related to something different. The
• 43:35
  military adopted the term, and in the early forties, during World War Two,
• 43:40
  two years after the war ended, we get the same term but under
• 43:45
  a different context, you know. And it's important for me to also lay
• 43:50
  outdated this book by a gentleman named Chris Allback that I got a lot of
• 43:58
  this information from. I've had them on show a couple of times now.
• 44:00
  But the name of his book is Sorcerers. You find it on Amazon's by
• 44:07
  Sorcerers by Chris Albeck, and he outlines all this in great detail. He
• 44:14
  shows you all the newspaper articles, how big, how popular of a sport
• 44:20
  this flying saucers was from back in the late eighteen hundreds. It shows you
• 44:27
  news headlines how similar the disc are to that, And I just want to
• 44:32
  give him a shout out for that information. So really, what we have
• 44:39
  here is that the entire subject of ufology is based on something that's a fallacy.
• 44:51
  And ufology has been used in the shape of a round disc when it
• 44:57
  was never described by Arnold as a disc or flying. So so that means
• 45:01
  that we've had the shape of this craft wrong for essentially seventy seven years.
• 45:08
  And I mean it's been reiterated in the culture, the pop culture, the
• 45:13
  fiction. Steven Spielberg's ran with it. I mean you think of his alien
• 45:16
  craft and yeah, yeah, the flying social mythology. It's a lie,
• 45:24
  it's a fallacy, it's a misnomer, and it's a misinterpreted misquote from newspaper
• 45:32
  reporters, the media, journalists and researchers, and still the most popular symbol
• 45:40
  of uphology, even though it's not really called flying saucers anymore. I mean
• 45:46
  a few people they were trying to bring back the term, I don't know,
• 45:51
  a couple of months ago, whenever I started really getting in, I
• 45:53
  seeing Jeremy Corbell and a few other people started calling them flying saucerers. Again.
• 46:00
  Uh, it's a lie. That's never what they look like. Yeah.
• 46:07
  Now, so we went from UFOs and flying sausters to UAPs and tic
• 46:10
  TACs. That's in like a span of eighty years or whatever. Now it's
• 46:16
  getting ready to shift again. That's getting ready to shift in the us OS.
• 46:21
  Uh huh, I heard you talking about this. So this is coming
• 46:23
  out of the ocean. Yes, and that's going to be the new thing.
• 46:28
  Everybody's going to be talking about aliens or not from outside of our our
• 46:34
  atmosphere from Yeah, that's what the that's the new thing. Harvard scientists already
• 46:40
  came out with an article a couple of days ago talking about that they're not
• 46:45
  from outer space, they're an ancient civilization from the planet. Well, now
• 46:51
  we can get the flat earthers on board again with the aliens. I mean,
• 46:57
  but that's a that's a common thing when because that's something that's been talked
• 47:01
  about for a really long time too, but never really put too much credence
• 47:05
  into it, because people want to believe that we're not the only species in
• 47:10
  the universe. But they've heard that before a lot of people have talked about
• 47:15
  that before that, and but just in a different way, right, they're
• 47:20
  like, oh, well, they're here, they've always been here. There's
• 47:23
  alien human hybrids, they're among us, they're walking amongst us, you know.
• 47:30
  So that was set up for what's about to happen with this USO push,
• 47:36
  with the cryptoterrestrial push, because people are tired of not seeing any evidence
• 47:44
  or not seeing any proof, so they have to change it just slightly,
• 47:47
  exactly like what I was talking about with the cults earlier on conversation. When
• 47:53
  their predictions and their things that they're talking about doesn't come to fruition, we'll
• 47:58
  start getting tired of it not happening. They have to change slight. And
• 48:02
  I saw the I think it might have been a conversation you were having with
• 48:06
  somebody actually a while back about Elon Musk saying that, Yeah, we've got
• 48:09
  all these satellites up there, and we've never had to veer around any kind
• 48:13
  of craft or anything on its way down here. So I don't think aliens
• 48:16
  are out there. And it's like, you know that guy, he's the
• 48:20
  tip of the spear when it goes to a lot of the way we shift
• 48:22
  these things. And also it made me think of James Cameron, who's a
• 48:25
  big purveyor of all the mythology. I mean, you get your AI stuff,
• 48:30
  he's on alien stuff. But he made the movie The Abyss in the
• 48:34
  eighties, which was about alien activity under the ocean. And yeah, that's
• 48:40
  where it's gonna shift because it has to because you can't really go any further
• 48:47
  with outer space aliens. And even these guys that are were doing the to
• 48:53
  get back to Grush, that were doing the congressional hearings, do they specifically
• 48:59
  sit this is from outer space? They could just hop on this USO thing
• 49:04
  that you're talking about around the corner. They don't. I don't think that
• 49:07
  either Captain Fraverer or Ryan Graves really ever mentioned that they're from outer space.
• 49:17
  Right now? What they do say, which is what they always say,
• 49:22
  and what they've always said from going back twenty thirty years, which is what
• 49:28
  they've said from Project blue Book, Project Grudge, and all those other governmental
• 49:32
  projects to investigate UFOs. They've been seeing the same thing forever now, that
• 49:40
  the craft outmaneuver their craft, that we don't know what it is because it
• 49:46
  moves at speeds it does maneuvers that we don't know of any current technology that
• 49:53
  can do this. They mess with our radar. That's been the stance that
• 49:58
  they've had since the beginning of all this. They've literally been seeing the exact
• 50:01
  same thing this entire time. Nothing has changed, and people still don't get
• 50:10
  it. And then they say, oh, well, after each one of
• 50:17
  the big events, there's normally like a military official that comes out, normally
• 50:23
  someone from the Air Force. It's like it was definitely done. After the
• 50:28
  Washington flap event of nineteen fifty two, they have an Air Force official come
• 50:34
  out and say, oh, well, we don't have any reason to believe
• 50:37
  that this has anything to do with extra trash trips. They're telling you right
• 50:43
  to your face that it's not extra trash triols. That only leaves one other
• 50:49
  option the craft is real, which I think that it is, and it's
• 50:54
  not extraterrestriels. It's not extraterrestrials. That only leaves one other option. You
• 51:00
  only got one other thing, and that's that it's human, that is human
• 51:07
  craft, that it's a military craft, and they've been trying to cover that
• 51:13
  up for a really long time, and that gets God, what do you
• 51:16
  think of bob Blezar then, because he's one of these guys who to bring
• 51:22
  back Rogan. You know, he kind of broke the Internet with his stuff,
• 51:25
  and it just to me seems like he's one of those guys that maybe
• 51:32
  really honest about what he saw but was misled in a way, or maybe
• 51:37
  he's full of shit, but he's making it sound like this can't be human
• 51:43
  from things that he saw and these elements that are undiscovered and stuff like that.
• 51:46
  But then again, did he really say that? Where am I just
• 51:50
  left with that impression? That's an important question. I think that it's a
• 51:57
  possibility that babble Zar dude see something. He was shown something, But again,
• 52:07
  people are showing things not given any explanation for them, so that they'll
• 52:16
  go out into the public and talk about it and speculative, speculatory discussion about
• 52:22
  it and theorize about it, which then gets everybody on board with those theories
• 52:28
  and those speculations. Because he even knew that, he was showing his friends
• 52:34
  like, oh, you know, I'm going to take you to the edge
• 52:37
  of the desert and we're going to watch these flings. They caught him.
• 52:39
  I don't know if he used the term flying sass. He's God damn it
• 52:42
  almost didn't, but he saw these craft and he would show his friends,
• 52:45
  and they caught him right, and they said, oh, you know,
• 52:47
  slap on the wrists, don't do this again. So yeah, they want
• 52:52
  him to tell people, Yeah, that's what happened. And one thing that's
• 52:57
  really interesting is that I remember Babazar mentioning within his story that he was under
• 53:07
  the impression that at least one of the craft that he saw was dug up
• 53:13
  in an archaeological dig, which makes a lot of sense to me because everyone
• 53:19
  wants to talk about oh, crasher, trible crasher trieble. This is a
• 53:21
  crash re trieble. We've seen it. It fell from the sky. We
• 53:24
  went and investigated another country, seen it on radar, and came out and
• 53:29
  found it and we went and picked it up and reverse engineered it. And
• 53:31
  that's how we came out with these crafts. That doesn't have to be the
• 53:35
  case. See, they do double speak, and they they hide definitions for
• 53:43
  words within other words. Crash retrieble doesn't mean what doesn't have to mean that
• 53:51
  it happened in modern times like me and you picked up right now. We
• 53:55
  went to Iraq, right or we went to Afghanistan or somewhere in the Middle
• 54:02
  East, Syria, So we went down to the Syrian desert and we decided
• 54:08
  to take a team of archaeologists with this. We escavate all this stuff.
• 54:15
  We find something that is strange, seems like a technology. It's in the
• 54:22
  shape of some sort of craft that is a crash retrieval. Doesn't matter how
• 54:28
  much time has passed in between finding the thing and when it came down,
• 54:35
  it's still a crash retrieval. So that's what I think. If the crash
• 54:42
  retrieval stuff, if it's not just completely made up, then they found it
• 54:49
  in archaeological digs, and it's from a previous civilization back who knows how long
• 54:57
  ago, So we could be reversed engineering ancient technology, ancient human technology,
• 55:02
  is what you're saying. Yes, okay, because I this this just opens
• 55:09
  up a whole other can of worms, because you get this thing in sci
• 55:15
  fi that's really common, and it's that the aliens are us from the future.
• 55:20
  But but yeah, us from the past is a whole new spin on
• 55:23
  that. I think that that is way more plausible than extraterrestrials coming from outer
• 55:30
  space and time traveling, time traveling or somehow being a very advanced civilization but
• 55:37
  then somehow crashing. It never made any sense to me at all, Like
• 55:43
  they're highly sophisticated, advanced species that is able to travel a vast distance,
• 55:51
  but then you get to Earth and you crash your craft. Yeah, they
• 55:54
  just they know they were They're coming in on fumes, they've been drinking the
• 55:58
  whole way, and they just couldn't keep the craft straight once they got through.
• 56:01
  Yeah, that doesn't mean I'd never thought of it like that. It's
• 56:05
  funny, but I mean that makes sense if you're taking the consideration how many
• 56:12
  times I was some sort of civilization been here. How advanced were they?
• 56:20
  You know, because when people think of an advanced civilization, they don't think
• 56:23
  of it in the right terms. They think of an advanced civilization I was
• 56:28
  on the same trajectory that we're currently on, but doesn't have to be the
• 56:31
  case. It can be a completely different kind of advanced civilization, and that
• 56:37
  would explain it an element that we had never seen before, making it if
• 56:43
  it was a crash retrieval from that long ago that Yeah, sorry, I
• 56:49
  was just thinking out loud, basically, because once you think of it like
• 56:52
  that, what you just said about it just being from way back then,
• 56:57
  everything falls in line, really and you wouldn't be able to figure it out
• 57:00
  because I guarantee. Let's just fast forward two hundred years into the future,
• 57:08
  right now, let's take a vision quest to two hundred years in the future.
• 57:15
  Do you think any of this shit's going to work? Of course not.
• 57:20
  Yeah, Like everything that we have right now is going to be obsolete.
• 57:27
  No one's going to know how to work any of this stuff. If
• 57:29
  someone finds a freaking iPhone two hundred years in the future, they're going to
• 57:34
  be like, what is this? I don't know what this is. One.
• 57:38
  We don't have the we don't have the adapters to be able to freaking
• 57:45
  even plug it into anything. And you can see the evidence of this just
• 57:49
  in the past twenty five years. Start out with floppy disk, store your
• 57:55
  data on in your computer, or play or put documents on or whatever.
• 58:04
  Now no one uses floppy disk. If you had a floppy disk right now
• 58:08
  that had top secret information on it, good luck, I'm not going to
• 58:15
  be able to use it. It's obsolete. No one even has a floppy
• 58:20
  disk drive anymore. And that's just twenty five years ago. So the way
• 58:24
  that our technology is progressing at such a rapid rate, things that first came
• 58:35
  out are no longer usable. So imagine two hundred years in the future,
• 58:40
  how technologically advanced things are going to be. The things that we're using now,
• 58:47
  when in even thirty years from now is going to be obsolete. This
• 58:53
  stuff's going to be like a dinosaur. Your computer is going to be a
• 58:58
  dinosaur. Well, and it makes me wonder if Elon has his way and
• 59:05
  the majority of the population chip up, then yeah, physical devices are going
• 59:12
  to be just like what you're talking about with storage. Most people do store
• 59:15
  on the cloud now, I mean your everyday man pictures all that stuff,
• 59:21
  so it's on a physical server somewhere. But yeah, it's just going to
• 59:25
  be pretty obsolete, especially if he does get his chips and heads and you
• 59:30
  are the device at that point. So yeah, these things are going to
• 59:34
  be I don't know, you're saying thirty years, that's pretty plausible that we
• 59:38
  won't even have smartphones by then. Well, I mean that's been the whole
• 59:42
  setup from you know, the transgender LGBTQ stuff, from transgender to transhuman.
• 59:53
  That's exactly right. That's what it is, that's the agenda, that's what
• 59:58
  it's all about. Yeah, I wondered why Tavistock has been pushing this shit
• 1:00:01
  since like the fucking way before David Bowie even you know where you got in.
• 1:00:07
  That androgen is pushed kind of like a soft entrance into where we are
• 1:00:12
  today and in twenty years whenever, all the kids that have been brainwashed in
• 1:00:20
  these public schools and told that they can be whatever they want, they can
• 1:00:23
  identify as whatever they want, and that is acceptable to change their gender and
• 1:00:29
  be a male if they're a female, or be a female if they're male.
• 1:00:36
  When it comes time to introduce cybernetics onto the human population, it'll be
• 1:00:44
  easy. Well, it'll be preferable to a lot of these people who have
• 1:00:49
  chemically castrated themselves and they're now asexual because of the hormone replacements that they all
• 1:00:55
  went through. It's going to look better to be like a digital being and
• 1:01:01
  your body's just fucking shot now, So why not that? And they've gotten
• 1:01:07
  they would have gotten around all of the laws m to do that, because
• 1:01:13
  now in some states and in some places, kids don't even have to have
• 1:01:20
  their parents' permission to start some sort of uh transitioning process and some states that
• 1:01:28
  the parents can get the kids taken away from the myth. They are on
• 1:01:30
  board with that, that's right. So they're you're super usurping all the laws
• 1:01:37
  right now, skirting around it, finding a back door. So whenever those
• 1:01:44
  kids are old enough, they're going to be like, oh, yeah,
• 1:01:49
  don't you want to bring chip and pland don't you want to be don't you
• 1:01:52
  want to be telepathic? They don't you want to freaking cyborg arm? You
• 1:02:00
  know, Oh, we don't have a liver transplant for you, but what
• 1:02:04
  we do have is a cybernetic liver that we can put in you that will
• 1:02:08
  work even better than a real liver. And that's what Because I did a
• 1:02:17
  show the other day with the lady Lauren Anton and I was searching for this
• 1:02:23
  Alicge Jones clip that you were mentioning earlier that was very difficult to find.
• 1:02:29
  And I listened to that entire interview, the entire five hour conversation. It's
• 1:02:31
  an incredible conversation between Alixe Jones and Joe Rogan. But he was talking about
• 1:02:38
  how his dad was involved in this DARPA program to create cyborgs, human cyborgs
• 1:02:51
  and this is this would have been jones father. Yes, yeah, And
• 1:02:57
  that always stuck with me, like whenever I heard that. I heard that
• 1:03:00
  in twenty nineteen as soon as it came out, and I'd always put that
• 1:03:05
  in the back of my head. I was like, huh, it's really
• 1:03:09
  the same episode where he was talking about Kaimas with the human pig hybrids too,
• 1:03:15
  and then yes, that episode is the one that you met. It's
• 1:03:19
  not really pushed they was. They're everything he said. Joe was making Jamie
• 1:03:23
  pull it up like and then the guy that was given the Democrat that was
• 1:03:29
  talking about like abortions after the kids born. It was one of the most
• 1:03:32
  provocative episodes they've done together. So that's that makes sense why you couldn't find
• 1:03:37
  it. I tried to type. I typed in the entire title because I
• 1:03:44
  I went to YouTube. I tried to type in Joe Rogan, Alex Jones.
• 1:03:47
  Only two of them popped up. I searched and searched and searched,
• 1:03:51
  but I didn't have the name of the episode to be able to type in.
• 1:03:53
  I just remembered them doing it even try then, I when I found
• 1:04:00
  out the name of the episode, I even tried to type it in to
• 1:04:04
  YouTube. It didn't pop up, didn't come up. There they're suppressing the
• 1:04:10
  shit out of that entire episode. But then when I typed it into Google,
• 1:04:17
  it was the first thing that popped up. So I had to have
• 1:04:24
  the title. The name title, which is Joe Rogan Experience Alex Jones returns.
• 1:04:32
  You have to type that into Google then it'll pop up. Don't try
• 1:04:36
  typing it into YouTube. It won't come up unless my search engine is just
• 1:04:42
  super wacky. But I don't think that that was the case, because I
• 1:04:44
  tried to rephrase the Google search at least ten times to try and find it.
• 1:04:50
  I even typed in the dialogue because I had remembered exactly what Alex Jones
• 1:04:58
  said in the end with Joe Rogan didn't pop up, so they really want
• 1:05:08
  that episode hidden in. That line with him talking about his dad working on
• 1:05:15
  cyborgs was really a throwaway line, and but it always just stuck with me.
• 1:05:20
  I was like, no one really, no one really made any comments
• 1:05:25
  on that, you know, but that explains a lot and the agenda of
• 1:05:30
  what they were trying to push because everything is dual use, and the way
• 1:05:33
  that Nilie Jones talked about it, he was like, they were using it
• 1:05:35
  for military purposes, right, they were creating these human cyborgs to infiltrate into
• 1:05:44
  other countries, which made sense because I would have been at the I don't
• 1:05:48
  know how old Alex Jones is, but it probably at least would have been
• 1:05:51
  at the end of the Cold War. Yeah. They say he's born in
• 1:05:57
  seventy three, so yeah, and his dad wasn't his dad like a dentist
• 1:06:02
  or something who's had all these crazy CIA connections and DARPA connections. Yeah,
• 1:06:10
  so, I mean the seventies was during the Cold War wall Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:06:15
  I mean it's so it makes sense that they would want to create these
• 1:06:17
  human cyborgs go and infiltrate into other countries and then bring back information. So
• 1:06:26
  and then it turned into well, we'll just put these human cyborgs out in
• 1:06:34
  the public. Yeah. I remember Burmis, Jason Burmas was talking a while
• 1:06:40
  back about how everything neurallink can do that they're excited about, you can do
• 1:06:45
  with the wearables, but they want it in you for a reason, Like
• 1:06:49
  it can't just be something you can take off like a shirt at the end
• 1:06:54
  of the day. They've got to have it in you to get their jinda
• 1:06:57
  through. And I always thought that was pretty interest because didn't they I think
• 1:07:00
  they've just recently put it in a paralyzed veteran and he's playing chess now or
• 1:07:05
  some shit. The big thing with neuralink, and I keep seeing stories like
• 1:07:11
  maybe it failed, but it's hard to keep up with it to kind of
• 1:07:15
  just keep it right on the periphery right now. Well, that's another thing
• 1:07:18
  that they do, is they they use certain people as like a like a
• 1:07:26
  patsy for the technology to be released when they've had it for a really long
• 1:07:30
  time. But yeah, they just give it to somebody that's a public figure
• 1:07:33
  and make it seem like they're the ones that created it. I mean,
• 1:07:36
  he's brought us so much that he didn't create I love looking at Delon's past
• 1:07:41
  because he's famous for buying into companies that have already got their main product out
• 1:07:45
  and then he rewrites the history of the company. He started that shit with
• 1:07:49
  Paipal, and the formula has been repeated. SpaceX is really the only thing
• 1:07:54
  that he built from the ground up out of all his major stuff. And
• 1:07:59
  that's got to tell you something too, that SpaceX is his baby. So
• 1:08:03
  yeah, absolutely, yeah, I mean that's that's the way that And when
• 1:08:09
  you look at you remember that story of the lady on the plane that oh,
• 1:08:16
  that motherfucker is not real, that brings in a completely different Is that
• 1:08:23
  not what you're talking about? That's what I'm talking about, Okay, h
• 1:08:29
  I always kind of believed her. I don't know why. She doesn't seem
• 1:08:34
  to be faking it. She looks like she's hammered and terrified. I always
• 1:08:41
  thought that one was Well, it's like what you were talking about. When
• 1:08:45
  you put an idea into the you know, collective, then it starts repeating.
• 1:08:50
  I remember after that woman's video came out, you start seeing it in
• 1:08:54
  like Asian airplanes, like people freaking out saying I'm from the something parallel dimension
• 1:09:00
  and it's all going to collapse right now. And it's just like on Twitter,
• 1:09:04
  there's like one of those videos a week for a while after her,
• 1:09:08
  So it kind of it was a trend. And that's what they do with
• 1:09:15
  things that were real from the beginning. So then they tack on a bunch
• 1:09:20
  of made up nonsense garbage to make it look like it's all made up nonsense
• 1:09:27
  garbage. Yeah, muddy the waters. That's a tactic that is that is
• 1:09:34
  used all the time, but they they do it for everything, and sometimes
• 1:09:39
  they can even know something real might happen before that, so then they put
• 1:09:45
  out a bunch of fake information before the real thing comes out. So it
• 1:09:47
  works both ways. Now, what do you think about Dwight D. Eisenhower
• 1:09:54
  and the legend around that deal that he supposedly made. What do you think
• 1:09:59
  is behind that? Well, then gets into the whole Paul Benowitz affair and
• 1:10:02
  the missing disinformation that was given directly to Paul Benowitz in the late sixties,
• 1:10:09
  and then I mean the late late seventies, nineteen seventy nine. Sorry,
• 1:10:15
  I guess so much stuff in my head. I'm sorry if I mess up
• 1:10:17
  some dates or times or names or whatever. And We'll give you some leeway
• 1:10:21
  if you're within ten years. Yeah, I'm normally way more spot on,
• 1:10:30
  but I had just woken up an hour before we started this show, so
• 1:10:34
  not quite with it yet. But anyway, that gets into the Paul Benowitz
• 1:10:38
  events and all the things that surround him. In the late seventies, Paul
• 1:10:44
  Benawitz, he lived in close to Kirkling Air Force Base in New Mexico.
• 1:10:54
  You founded this research and scientific place called Thunder Scientific. It was a small
• 1:11:00
  family business with his wife, and they would develop high powered instruments for NASA
• 1:11:05
  and for the Air Force. He was also worked for the Air Force as
• 1:11:11
  a communications person during World War Two. So during the seventies, Paul Beinwitz
• 1:11:17
  he became a member of a research organization which was a civilian UFO investigation group
• 1:11:29
  and on cattle mutilations. Okay, cattle mutilations have become associated with UFOs during
• 1:11:36
  the seventies, and this cattle mutilation group was basically ran by the intelligence community
• 1:11:46
  and an attorney R. E. Thompson, which was a US senator well
• 1:11:54
  US Senator Harrison Schmidt. They held these public mutilation meetings in the late seventies
• 1:12:03
  and Paul Benowitz was one of the people that attended one of these kind of
• 1:12:09
  mutilations that were set up by the intelligence community to find out what people thought
• 1:12:14
  about kind of mulations. They thought that it was connected to extra treasures.
• 1:12:16
  Now some say that the meeting that Paul Benowitz attended was where he was first
• 1:12:24
  introduced to these government agents, because they basically set up the entire meeting.
• 1:12:30
  So which is important because Benowitz later he listed July of nineteen seventy nine as
• 1:12:39
  the beginning of a personal study into UFOs. Because Benwitz reportedly began filming strange
• 1:12:48
  lights and recording strange radio signals over Kirkland Air Force Base. So Paul Benodwitz
• 1:12:58
  would go out as back to or he could literally see Kirkling Air Force Base
• 1:13:02
  from his back patio. He would see these two strange lights hovering above the
• 1:13:09
  ground. They would zip around and float up off of the ground and then
• 1:13:13
  zip around the mountain and all that. And you know, common sense,
• 1:13:18
  I would tell you, if you're seeing something over a military base, it's
• 1:13:20
  the freaking right, Like, give me a break. All these people they
• 1:13:26
  claim to see things like there was a gentleman there that I was talking to,
• 1:13:30
  a contact in the desert that says that he lives outside of area fifty
• 1:13:35
  one and he's filming all this strange activity. I was like, bro,
• 1:13:40
  Area fifty one is a freaking military base. It's the military, dude,
• 1:13:45
  it's strange military craft. He's convinced that there it's extraterrestrial. So Paul being
• 1:13:56
  a radio expert, but yes, that guy that lives outside of air fifty,
• 1:14:00
  well, he's not one convinced. He thinks that it could be a
• 1:14:03
  mixture of both because like you were mentioning with Lazare, well, not with
• 1:14:12
  Lazarre, but the President Eisenhower. So people believing that there's a contract between
• 1:14:16
  extraterrestrials and aliens, that they had this old treaty set up to build an
• 1:14:21
  underground military base. So the extraterrestrials are working with the military. That's been
• 1:14:26
  a nice right, that has been well. He's got a Ike has a
• 1:14:30
  granddaughter that goes on like coast to coast. Now she's an elderly woman herself
• 1:14:34
  now, but she claims that she's channeled by some alien being and she talks
• 1:14:41
  to her grandpa and it's just like and she's on coast to coast it's just
• 1:14:45
  like keeping this ship going for generations. But anyway, I don't want to
• 1:14:47
  get too far off Paul Benowitz, but yeah, that's that's the regurgitation aspect
• 1:14:54
  of this. And then when people hear this third and fourth hand, it's
• 1:14:57
  like Sean ka Patrick from the Head of Arrow, come now with that article
• 1:15:00
  and be like, this is all circular reporting. This is all people that
• 1:15:04
  I've heard this from second and third hand sources that are regurgitating it and talking
• 1:15:11
  about it. And it's a revolving door of theories and speculations that were never
• 1:15:15
  proven to be true in the first place. So Paul Benham was being a
• 1:15:20
  radio expert, worked for the military as a radio engineer. He was well
• 1:15:26
  versed in radio technology. He then decided to try and listen into communications at
• 1:15:30
  Kirkland Air Force Base to try and figure out what these strange lights were if
• 1:15:34
  the military knew what these strange lights were. So then he decoded a bunch
• 1:15:38
  of transmissions and put together that it was about technology, and the technology wasn't
• 1:15:44
  from here, So he began that began his whole journey into the extra tresture
• 1:15:47
  a realm. So in October of nineteen eighty. Binowitz contacted Kirkland Air Force
• 1:15:53
  Base to report his findings, like you would think any you know, triotic
• 1:16:00
  person would do if you're seeing something strange, then you would contact the air
• 1:16:03
  Force base. And he's worked for the Air Force as well, so he
• 1:16:08
  had a good rapport with him, so he contacts the Air Force base.
• 1:16:15
  So at this point ben Witz is on He's like, this has got to
• 1:16:18
  be extraterrestrial. It's definitely extraterrestrials. There's no other but he's so far away
• 1:16:25
  and Bill Moore, I'm jumping all over the place there. But Bill Moore
• 1:16:29
  was sent to him by a gentleman named Richard Doty, and Bill Moore actually
• 1:16:34
  went to Paul Benowitz's house and ben was put out his binoculars and was like,
• 1:16:41
  I see these crafts all the time. Here, look there's one right
• 1:16:43
  here. And then Bill Moore grabs the binoculars and also looks at it and
• 1:16:46
  was like, oh, well, yeah, that's kind of strange. But
• 1:16:48
  then Bill Moore gets in his car and drives up around the mountain to see
• 1:16:51
  if he can get a closer look at it, and it's freaking military helicopters.
• 1:16:57
  It's not UFOs, it's not extra trestrials. It's literally the military doing
• 1:17:01
  exercises, but apparently nobody else did that. It is a bought into what
• 1:17:08
  Benowitz was saying about UFOs and extra trestrials. So when November of nineteen eighty,
• 1:17:15
  Benowitz briefed the people at Kirkland Air Force Base, the military personnel,
• 1:17:20
  the generals and all that, and in order to figure out if anything that
• 1:17:27
  Bennwitz had was real or some of them, some of the generals thought that
• 1:17:30
  maybe it was a Soviet threat or that it was another country or somebody else
• 1:17:33
  that was planning to invade the base. So to figure out more of what
• 1:17:36
  Paul Benowitz had and the information that he had and the decoded messages that he
• 1:17:42
  was getting from Kirkland Air Force Base wasn't a threat, they put him in
• 1:17:45
  contact with who I just mentioned, a man by the name of Richard Doty,
• 1:17:48
  which is an AFOSI Air Force Office of Special Investigations. Paul not really
• 1:17:55
  knowing exactly what he had because he didn't analyze the radio transmissions properly. Richard
• 1:18:02
  Doty coming to his house analyzing it pretty quickly figuring out that what he had
• 1:18:11
  was top secret radio transmissions from the Air Force base didn't have anything to do
• 1:18:15
  with extra trestriws, but Richard Doty came in and convinced him that it was
• 1:18:20
  extra trash troops. He realized that the footage that he had of these supposed
• 1:18:26
  UFOs were top secret military aircraft that he was capturing. So then he started
• 1:18:32
  planning ideas and confirming Paul Benowitz's theory that they're extra tresh troops and not telling
• 1:18:40
  them for a fact, which I've had Richard Doty on my show before,
• 1:18:43
  we've talked to. Yeah, he wasn't telling Paul Benowitz that this is like
• 1:18:49
  factual. He's like, oh, well, that's really interesting, Paul,
• 1:18:53
  you might be right, and then to that that's that's you know, an
• 1:18:57
  AFOSI special agent in the Air Force, basically confirming that he's right about the
• 1:19:03
  extraterrestrials, but not outright telling him for a fact. He's just planning the
• 1:19:08
  seed that maybe what he has that he has the information that the radio transmissions
• 1:19:14
  could possibly be coming from extraterrestrials. And with Paul Benowitz being a World War
• 1:19:21
  Two vet, it was I would imagine very easy to convince him to not
• 1:19:27
  talk about it for the time being. You know, like, Paul,
• 1:19:30
  you owe this to your country, my friend, to not say anything about
• 1:19:33
  this to anyone. Keep all this information to yourself. But it wasn't just
• 1:19:38
  Dodie that was doing this. There was other people that were involved. So
• 1:19:41
  I don't put a lot of the I told Dody in our interview. I
• 1:19:44
  was like, I don't put a lot of the blame on you. There's
• 1:19:46
  several people that was involved with all this. It was pretty much all the
• 1:19:51
  people at Kirkland Air Force Base was doing this to it. So after Paul
• 1:19:58
  showed the footage that he captured the Strange craft, which was a top secret
• 1:20:02
  experimental aircraft, a general of the Air Force stood up and said, Paul,
• 1:20:09
  you got some pretty convincing evidence there. What would you like the Air
• 1:20:13
  Force to do about it? And Paul wanted a grant. He wanted a
• 1:20:16
  grant to continue the study of UFOs on the base, and he wanted a
• 1:20:20
  grant to continue his contact with aliens that he claimed that he had. And
• 1:20:28
  this caught the Air Force generals and the people that were a part of this
• 1:20:32
  meeting really off guard, absolutely, And we've established that Air Force Offices Special
• 1:20:39
  Investigators were involved like Richard Dody and all the Air Force personnel were involved in
• 1:20:44
  the briefing and pushing Paul Benowits in this direction of extra trestrials and UFOs when
• 1:20:48
  he was really getting top secret classified footage of experimental aircraft that the Air Force
• 1:20:56
  was working on and radio transmissions from the Air Force base. But another agency
• 1:21:00
  was involved. What happened was is that Paul was while he was picking up
• 1:21:05
  these signals from Kirkland Air Force Base, he didn't really know that that was
• 1:21:11
  the case. He thought that these signals were coming from extra trash tdriils.
• 1:21:18
  So the NSA had posted up across the street from Paul Benowitz's house and they
• 1:21:27
  would directly beam radio signals into Paul Benowitz's antenna into his house to make Paul
• 1:21:32
  Benowitz believe that what he was getting was from extra trash drills. They even
• 1:21:36
  went as far as to break into Paul Benowitz's house replaced his computer with an
• 1:21:43
  NSA modified computer. The computer had software on it had software installed onto it
• 1:21:48
  to decode the messages that they were sending Paul from outside of his house in
• 1:21:54
  the way that they wanted Paul to see them. So this is like he's
• 1:21:57
  he's Agent Mulder and they're the Smoking Man's people fucking with them. That's crazy.
• 1:22:03
  That's like movie shit, it is. That's what they were doing in
• 1:22:08
  these messages that Paul thought that he was receiving from extra treshrils, which was
• 1:22:12
  really the freaking NSA. A lot of the things that they were telling him
• 1:22:17
  are regurgitations from this community that are still talked about to this very day.
• 1:22:24
  Right, that their extra trestrials are from a planet that is dying, they're
• 1:22:28
  from a planet with no water, that they're here for our resources, that
• 1:22:31
  they're here to take over Earth, and they only trust Paul because Paul was
• 1:22:38
  the chosen one, right, and all kinds of other stuff, which a
• 1:22:40
  lot of the things again that we're talked about with Paul believing that he's in
• 1:22:45
  communication with extra trestrials through his computer, you know, when they're completely made
• 1:22:51
  up and fabrications, made up by the NSA. And then in nineteen eighty
• 1:22:59
  the state in New Mexico, did you have something. No, I was
• 1:23:02
  just going to say, you might get to this, but I was just
• 1:23:04
  gonna say this gentleman is still alive today. No, he passed away.
• 1:23:09
  I believe in he did you know two thousand and three he passed away in
• 1:23:20
  two thousand and three. The Richard Dody guy that you've talked to, he
• 1:23:24
  must be kind of up there in years. Yeah. I think he's in
• 1:23:30
  late fifties, I believe. Okay, so he's not. Is he even
• 1:23:32
  been a younger guy than when all this was going on? Yeah? Okay.
• 1:23:38
  So the state police in New Mexico they and if you thought this was
• 1:23:43
  bad, it gets even worse because state police in New Mexico received a report
• 1:23:48
  from a woman and a lady naming herself Myrna Hanson describing a story that involved
• 1:23:55
  extra trash or aliens, bride lines, herds of cattle, seeing abductions,
• 1:23:59
  cattle being abducted into craft at least then referred the case to a gentleman that
• 1:24:05
  was also at the cattle mutilation conference in nineteen seventy nine named Gabe Valdez,
• 1:24:12
  who they knew to be the cattle mutilation guy for the interest in the cases
• 1:24:15
  and going to these cattle mutilation meetings. Valdez then in turn contacted Paul Benowitz.
• 1:24:21
  So in nineteen eighty, Marna Henson and her son traveled to Albuquerque to
• 1:24:27
  meet with Benowitz, stayed in his home. Henson explained to bene Witz that
• 1:24:30
  on May fifth, nineteen eighty, while she was driving with her son near
• 1:24:35
  Eagle Nests, New Mexico, they had witnessed two large silent objects that were
• 1:24:42
  hovering above a meadow right and then they contacted a gentleman. Paul Beinwitz contacted
• 1:24:47
  a gentleman named Leo Sprinkle. She was a psychiatrist and a professor at the
• 1:24:54
  University of Wyoming. That is such a name of a professor, Professor Sprinkle.
• 1:25:00
  It's a little sprinkle, give me, give me sprinkled us salt on
• 1:25:02
  there. And so Benowitz arranged for Sprinkle to fly to Albuquerque to hypnotize Henson.
• 1:25:09
  So when Sprinkle arrived, Henson and Benowitz, Okay, now we're getting
• 1:25:13
  into regression, like you're promising. Yes. So Benowitz has been being hit
• 1:25:21
  with this all all this, all this nonsense, and they come to the
• 1:25:25
  conclusion that the regressions need to be taking place in Benowitz's Lincoln town car.
• 1:25:30
  This parked inside of the family garage, and he had all the car windows
• 1:25:34
  covered with aluminum foil. Hall's literally out of his mind at this point.
• 1:25:43
  You know, you got the NSA right across the street beaming signals into your
• 1:25:45
  house and your antenna. They broke into your home, replaced your computer with
• 1:25:48
  the NSA, which she doesn't. He's not aware of any of this,
• 1:25:51
  right, That's the thing, that's an important thing. He's not aware that
• 1:25:56
  the NSSA has done this. He's not aware that the NSA has this house
• 1:26:00
  bugged. He's not aware that the Air Force has been lying to him this
• 1:26:05
  entire time. Right, would you not be paranoid? You know, you
• 1:26:09
  got the freaking Air Force telling you that you're right about the aliens, but
• 1:26:15
  you can't tell anyone. You have the NSA sending the signals into your home,
• 1:26:19
  the decode messages to make you believe that you're in communication with extraterrestrials,
• 1:26:25
  is telling you all this stuff. So Sprinkle decided to then regress this woman
• 1:26:30
  named Myrna Henson in the tinfoil altcar and Paul Benowitz's garage, and her first
• 1:26:38
  regression, she reported a information of a cow being sucked up by UFO tractor
• 1:26:45
  Beam spaceship. And then on May eleventh and May twelfth, nineteen eighty,
• 1:26:51
  under hypnosis again, Henson reported recollections of being abducted and taken to an underground
• 1:26:57
  base with body parts floating in vats. That's when we get into the full
• 1:27:02
  swing of the the Dulcet bass. The dulce bass was Phil Schneider. I'm
• 1:27:13
  sure people are from Oh yeah, he lost his fingers in the in a
• 1:27:17
  razor gun war with the ark On or the whatever the fuck they were called,
• 1:27:21
  the Draca's. Yeah, that's all fun stuff. That's like old schoolate
• 1:27:27
  coast to coast a m Yeah. So during the session. Another thing happened
• 1:27:31
  too is that Myrna Henson also mentioned Roswell Roswell in New Mexico. But the
• 1:27:39
  problem with that is that Roswell, no one in the public had connected Roswell
• 1:27:47
  to UFO folcal Or yet, which is a perfect setup for Bill Moore's book
• 1:27:55
  that I was mentioning earlier that Bill Moore went to Bennowitz's house and then drove
• 1:27:59
  out there to the mountain to see that it was just military helicopters that Paul
• 1:28:03
  Beinimits was seen. Bill Moore wrote a book on Roswell called The Roswell Incident
• 1:28:11
  just a few months later, in October of nineteen eighty which was all miss
• 1:28:15
  and disinformation about alien crashing an alien spacecraft crashing in Roswell, which popularized the
• 1:28:23
  myth and the lore and brought it to the forefront of ufology and later on,
• 1:28:30
  Bill Moore stands up in front of the Moofon conference in nineteen eighty nine
• 1:28:34
  and tries to tell everyone that it's all made up, garbage, nonsense,
• 1:28:39
  and they bow them off of the stage. Yeah, you can't turn on
• 1:28:42
  that crowd, man, shit. So he basically says in that which I'm
• 1:28:48
  going to do a part two. I've done the first two hours of that
• 1:28:55
  move On conference where he's up there, but it's a five hour long interview.
• 1:28:58
  I'm gonna no, dude, damn. I want to do part part
• 1:29:00
  two here soon, hopefully this Saturday on my channel. I've just been really
• 1:29:04
  busy and went to contact in the desert and trying to work on the second
• 1:29:09
  documentary, so I really haven't had the time, but I'm going to finish
• 1:29:13
  that up because every everything that Bill Moore is talking about at that conference is
• 1:29:17
  like timeless, and they treated him like it was Dylan goes electric, Yeah,
• 1:29:23
  and no one ever heard from him again after that, just disappeared.
• 1:29:28
  It's gone. So back to Myrna Henson really quickly. So Myrna Hanson is
• 1:29:34
  Paul Benham was set up because that's exactly what this was. It was a
• 1:29:38
  giant set up with this lady Myrna Henson to get the lore and the mythology
• 1:29:42
  of rolling. Because they knew Paul Benham was would tell everyone and this would
• 1:29:45
  snowball into a big bunch of nonsense. So is she like some chick who
• 1:29:49
  got a speeding ticket and couldn't afford it and they're like, hey, you
• 1:29:53
  know what you can do? Do you want to just have a sweetest?
• 1:29:56
  Probably probably something bigger than a speeding ticket. But how would they get someone
• 1:30:00
  like that? You have to or she could have been an agent? Supposedly,
• 1:30:03
  I mean, do you know I think that she's an agent. Richard
• 1:30:06
  Dody. Richard Doty says that what she was describing with this base was an
• 1:30:13
  advanced Air Force munitions bunker because the way that she described it was almost identical
• 1:30:23
  to what the Air Force munitions bunker looked like. Because Richard Dody went out
• 1:30:28
  to this Air Force munitions bunker and the same types of things that she described,
• 1:30:35
  besides the body parts floating in vats. Everything else was the saint.
• 1:30:43
  But he was like, well, I don't know how she got into the
• 1:30:45
  Military Air Force munitions bunker. But a lot of people trying to get involved
• 1:30:51
  with the Myrna Henson case. Paul Heinek, no Alan Heinek, sorry,
• 1:30:59
  Paul Heineck is son Alan Heinek, the Project blue Book guy tried to get
• 1:31:04
  involved with the Marna Henson case and then he was threatened to be federally prosecuted,
• 1:31:12
  so he backed away. But I think that it's because Gabe Valdez's son
• 1:31:19
  later on comments on this and says that it was a setup and that it
• 1:31:27
  was very easy for them to do because they found all these bugs and all
• 1:31:31
  these plants and all these listening devices within his dad's home, so the government
• 1:31:38
  was listening to everything that they were doing twenty four to seven. I mean,
• 1:31:43
  these people are literally driving Paul out of his mind to the point that
• 1:31:46
  he was thinking that he was going to be being attacked by aliens. And
• 1:31:50
  it was a really sad story. And Ben was even armed up with guns
• 1:31:56
  and him and Foil to protect his family. The fucking thing you said about
• 1:32:00
  when they do the regression, and that's when you know someone's going a little
• 1:32:04
  wacky. They start literally using the tinfoil hat. And it was all it
• 1:32:14
  all came to be because the government missing in this information. That's literally where
• 1:32:17
  all the tempoil and stuff came from. No one has any idea they came
• 1:32:21
  from government. Miss. All you really need is a house with lead paint
• 1:32:26
  on it at the end of the day, or blue paint, right,
• 1:32:29
  yeah, if you don't want the laser beams, just hurt start your house
• 1:32:32
  on fires. So I got a couple more questions. I don't know how
• 1:32:35
  much time you have, but what is and if this is like a little
• 1:32:41
  too much because we edge in these circles of the podcasters and stuff. But
• 1:32:45
  I just wanted to know what your take on this this huge thing that's happening
• 1:32:50
  with Ryan bled Cell where there's this new movement of like, uh, you
• 1:32:58
  can you can summon these things. It's kind of like what gosh, I
• 1:33:02
  always forget his name, Greer, Stephen Greer kind of started this and then
• 1:33:06
  the main and now you've got and I don't want to just say this is
• 1:33:14
  how you feel, but we've mentioned the mental illness before, and if I
• 1:33:17
  hear about this guy lets Tho's father having these visions and then they just roll
• 1:33:25
  with it. It makes me wonder if that's a possibility. But anyway,
• 1:33:28
  do you think this is an authentic movement or do you think this is totally
• 1:33:31
  astroturfed. Seems like a cult, doesn't it. It very much seems like
• 1:33:38
  a cult. And I know people who are balls deep in it. So
• 1:33:42
  it's kind of like, what do you do? You know, I don't
• 1:33:45
  want to like it's you don't walk up to a Christian and scream that Jesus
• 1:33:48
  isn't real. Yeah, it uh, definitely has all the hallmarks of a
• 1:33:59
  cult. You know. It seems a lot like the Billy Meyer story.
• 1:34:04
  Are familiar with the Billy Meyer story? Uh? Refresh my memory because I
• 1:34:10
  think I've heard you talk about it, if not other people. So the
• 1:34:14
  Billy Meyer story is he's one of them, supposedly in contact with these Palladian
• 1:34:18
  extra trest trills, and then then they come down and give him all this
• 1:34:21
  information and he has all this he supposedly has like technology from these uh,
• 1:34:27
  these aliens. There's like a whole cult that was formed around this, with
• 1:34:31
  like a compound where people can come and live, and then they get it
• 1:34:35
  endowed and imbued with the wisdom of Billy Meyer, and he's the only true,
• 1:34:40
  one and only contactee from these Palladians. And then it turns out all
• 1:34:45
  the pictures that he's taken of these craft are all fake. They're all trash
• 1:34:48
  can lids on like wires, blind saucers. Yeah, that's what kind of
• 1:34:55
  uh, that's what it kind of reminds me of n the direction that it's
• 1:35:01
  kind of going because we haven't had a really, we haven't had a good
• 1:35:05
  Colt for a minute. I haven't had a good cult going on. But
• 1:35:10
  I think the well you a foe calt, we haven't had one for a
• 1:35:15
  while. I think the last one was Love is One, which was in
• 1:35:23
  Crestone, Colorado with Amy Carlson that claimed that she was the direct reincarnation of
• 1:35:29
  God and that she was here to send the one hundred and forty four thousand
• 1:35:32
  people into the sun. No, she ended up dying. She died of
• 1:35:40
  cirrhosis of the liver and excessive colloidal silver ingestion. Oh, this is a
• 1:35:46
  mother other God. Yes, I was on a panel a couple of weeks
• 1:35:53
  back and they told me to watch this documentary because I made a colloidal silver
• 1:35:57
  crack. We were making fun of like that, pushing us uplements and conspiracy
• 1:36:00
  and I and she goes, oh, do you know who Mother God is?
• 1:36:04
  So this is new to me. I'm really gonna have to check this
• 1:36:06
  out. I know there's a good doc about it. Yeah, I did
• 1:36:10
  a show on it last year before the Yeah, i'll just watch your show
• 1:36:14
  then. Yeah. I didn't even know that the that they were doing a
• 1:36:18
  documentary on it, but it was. I think it's pretty recent that they
• 1:36:23
  did. Yeah. I watched the documentary on it. Oh you did,
• 1:36:26
  Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah. I thought it was really good that
• 1:36:28
  they did a really good job with it. A girl that I know was
• 1:36:31
  an information consultant on that documentary. So I think it's definitely worth a watch.
• 1:36:39
  And it was really good and lays a lot of it out. But
• 1:36:43
  yeah, that's the latest one. She really upped the ante on a lot
• 1:36:48
  of it. She said that she was in communication with Robin Williams. Yes,
• 1:36:54
  Robin Williams appeared to her at night and in her bed and the Robin
• 1:36:58
  Williams was a part of the Glac Federation literally with her that's where all the
• 1:37:02
  Galactic Federation stuff came from in two thousand and five. Oh okay, the
• 1:37:09
  one that popularized all the Galactic Federation stuff. And now it's all just tongue
• 1:37:13
  in cheek rely. Yeah, And she said that Robin Williams would a sister
• 1:37:18
  in her her Zoom call Healings along with the Galactic Federations. It's just like
• 1:37:27
  what wild stuff. Like she literally was started getting out of her mind like
• 1:37:34
  really quickly, and the people that were around her were just encouraging it and
• 1:37:41
  feeding into it, and it literally killed her. It's another sad story.
• 1:37:47
  Yeah, well, you're right, we are due for a good UFO cult.
• 1:37:53
  And maybe, I mean, is this why you go to like contact
• 1:37:56
  in the desert and stuff? Is to this is like you want to make
• 1:37:59
  some con text with other people that are into this whole thing you're researching.
• 1:38:04
  Well, I I like to go because it's a it's a good way to
• 1:38:12
  you know, communicate with people in person and talk to other people and kind
• 1:38:15
  of network. And I mean there's a few good people that that I like
• 1:38:24
  that are normally presenting at the conferences. Andrew Collins is one of them.
• 1:38:30
  I don't mind Richard Dolan. I think he's I think he's all right.
• 1:38:34
  There's a doctor Paul Smith. Russell targ was there this year. So there's
• 1:38:43
  a few people that I that I think that are on the on the right
• 1:38:46
  track with stuff. But it's mostly for networking and talking with people and meeting
• 1:38:53
  with people in person because you don't really get that opportunity that often unless you
• 1:38:58
  actually travel to where the individual lives, you know, So it's a good
• 1:39:03
  way to talk to people in person. Do some in person interviews. I
• 1:39:06
  like doing that. I like being in person with people, and you know,
• 1:39:11
  being able to talk with people in person is like a makes me feel
• 1:39:15
  good, you know, because a lot of our work has done over the
• 1:39:18
  internet on like Zoom and like on stream Yard. We're not like next to
• 1:39:21
  each other, so it's a different kind of feeling. You get a different
• 1:39:26
  energy from people when you're in person. I've never had a in studio interview
• 1:39:30
  myself, but I just found out that the Franklin Sky's guy lives where I
• 1:39:34
  Do you know who he is? Frankensky's can Tell Can Trail documentary? No?
• 1:39:41
  Oh yes, yes, I am familiar, but I can't can't play
• 1:39:45
  some Yeah, I don't know his name either. I know that he's here
• 1:39:48
  and I know that he's open to interviews. But he also makes literal tinfoil
• 1:39:53
  hats and you can order them online and people buy them because he's all about
• 1:39:59
  like the five G and everything, and he's probably right about some of that
• 1:40:02
  shit. But well, man, this has been a really good talk.
• 1:40:06
  Do you have anything else do you want to touch on? Just that you
• 1:40:11
  got to use common sense and critical thinking with a lot of this stuff,
• 1:40:15
  and just don't believe everything that you hear from these people, because it's a
• 1:40:19
  regurgitation after regurgitation. It's a belief that has no backing from the very beginning
• 1:40:26
  that has been turned into something that was never originally supposed to be. And
• 1:40:30
  that's a really big problem and a really big issue. I'm not saying to
• 1:40:34
  like, not listen to things that you think are interesting. Just take things
• 1:40:41
  with like a grain of salt, don't get dogmatic about it. Yeah,
• 1:40:46
  you don't have to listen to something and then automatically take it on as your
• 1:40:51
  belief in your belief system. You know, you can just kind of tuck
• 1:40:56
  it away, put it back there on the back burner, and just remember
• 1:40:59
  it for the future, because there's a lot of people that are ripping off
• 1:41:03
  other people. There's a lot of people that don't, you know, cite
• 1:41:09
  other people's work whenever they're talking about their work, when it's blatant that they're
• 1:41:13
  talking about their work, and they don't want to mention the person because they
• 1:41:15
  want to make it seem like that they're the ones that created it and they're
• 1:41:18
  the ones that came up with it, when it's not they've just read it
• 1:41:23
  somewhere and they've incorporated it into their story and into their narrative, you know,
• 1:41:30
  like it's not an honorable thing to do. And also history books are
• 1:41:35
  written these days too, pretty much. Yeah, and on that as well.
• 1:41:43
  The story of Paul Benowitz is heavily documented. It's documented in the book
• 1:41:48
  Project Beta, The Story of Paul Benowitz and the National Security and the Creation
• 1:41:53
  of the Modern UFO myth. Mark Pinkerington's book about the project also called Mirage,
• 1:42:00
  which was published in twenty ten, and then the book was adapted in
• 1:42:04
  twenty and thirteen documentary under the same name Mirage Men. You know, so
• 1:42:12
  it's like the people like they don't want to It was also in another book
• 1:42:15
  called clear intent the government cover up of the UFO experience. So people don't
• 1:42:20
  want to credit people for their work, and they just want to, you
• 1:42:25
  know, make a seem like that they did it all on their own,
• 1:42:28
  and that's not how any of this stuff works. I mean, if you're
• 1:42:30
  doing research into something, you're you're looking at somebody else's work and you're using
• 1:42:36
  their work. I mean that's a definition of research. Well, and I
• 1:42:41
  appreciate you giving all of your sources and citations because I usually have a fucking
• 1:42:45
  notebook sitting there next to me. I'm just going to have to go back
• 1:42:48
  and listen to this recording again and just jot everything down, and people listening
• 1:42:53
  or watching, I hope that you do the same thing because it's always good.
• 1:42:57
  And I've been interviewing a lot more people lately that bring receipts like you
• 1:43:00
  did today, So uh yeah. And you you're a young guy, You've
• 1:43:05
  already got some really good work under your belt, and it sounds like I'm
• 1:43:09
  pretty excited about this thing you're working on right now. I would love to
• 1:43:14
  have you back when when you've got that you know, oh yeah, absolutely,
• 1:43:16
  we're gonna be doing the We're gonna be doing all the rounds, yeah,
• 1:43:20
  because that's that's such fascinating topics there, and like a perfect blend of
• 1:43:26
  everything you're working on. Yeah, And it involves pop culture, involves the
• 1:43:30
  CIA, involves the music industry, involves the film industry, involves movies and
• 1:43:34
  involves directors, involves LSD, the hippie movement. So it's got all of
• 1:43:40
  it. And I'm do you know how long this is gonna run? Like
• 1:43:44
  under three hours? We thought that it was gonna hit it around two hours,
• 1:43:48
  but I'm gonna try and shave it down longer because it's hard to keep
• 1:43:50
  people's attention with a long documentary like that. You know, which I know
• 1:43:59
  is people really do like long form content now, They like to sit down
• 1:44:02
  and listen to it. But I'm going to try and keep it at like
• 1:44:10
  an hour and a half or an hour and forty minutes because of all the
• 1:44:15
  editing and all the things that I'm going to need to do to keep it
• 1:44:18
  interesting and keep people's eyes on it. It's difficult to do for two hours.
• 1:44:24
  You know. There's only so many ups and downs that you can do
• 1:44:26
  within a documentary to keep people's attention on it. Before they turn it off.
• 1:44:30
  So it's going to be difficult to get it down to an hour and
• 1:44:33
  a half because there's so much information, so much things that needs to be
• 1:44:36
  gone over. But we're going to attempt to do it and hopefully it'll be
• 1:44:41
  done by there by the end of August. I'm not putting a time on
• 1:44:46
  it a date on it, but you know, we think if you take
• 1:44:49
  a little bit longer to make it and make it good, Yeah, i'd
• 1:44:54
  say those deadlines, especially when you're your own boss. Yeah, we're for
• 1:45:00
  producing it on our own and we're distributing it on our own, so we
• 1:45:03
  don't really have a time skull. But that's just how I would when I
• 1:45:08
  would like it to be out. But if it does you have a title
• 1:45:11
  yet? Yeah, we do, it's not we haven't revealed the title.
• 1:45:15
  Oh you don't need to reveal it. I'm just curious to myself. But
• 1:45:16
  other than that, yeah, that that sounds like an awesome thing. I
• 1:45:21
  can't wait for that. And also, before we go, I want to
• 1:45:26
  comment on your shirt because I've just like been this whole time thinking there should
• 1:45:30
  be a Texas Longhorn skull hanging on the wall behind you because it would just
• 1:45:34
  go so well with that shirt. For some reason, I feel like I'm
• 1:45:36
  in a new Mexican Pebleau. Yeah, dude, I'm in my WACKI I'm
• 1:45:42
  in the wacky shirt phase in my life where I just find a bunch of
• 1:45:44
  wacky shirts and put it on super powerful and yeah, I do I do
• 1:45:48
  need one that would be great. Yeah, one of those taxidermy deers there
• 1:45:56
  you go. Well, yeah, a long bow. Give me some bows
• 1:46:00
  back there. But thanks brother, appreciate you having me on. People are
• 1:46:05
  interested to check out my work. I can find me on Raised by Giants,
• 1:46:08
  on YouTube, in any and all podcast platforms, and check out my
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  film JFKX Solving the Crime of the Century. It's on Amazon Prime and on
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  Toby for free with ads. So thanks for having me on. Appreciate your
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  brother, and thanks for coming on. Yeah. Look, hope everyone enjoyed
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  it. Oh they're going to and if they don't, they're not listening right
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  now. If they didn't enjoy it, so they can fuck off. But
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  yeah, they didn't stick with us, all right, man, Well,
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  I hope you enjoy the rest of your Sunday. Thanks my friend. All
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  right, we'll be in touch. Bud, talk to you later.