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Tammy Hembrow's House Woes · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Kate Torber. And I'm Sophie Torber. And coming up on
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  Speaker 1: today's show, Tammy Hembrough's house is passed in at auction.
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  Speaker 1: Nikki Westcott takes aim at Matt Paul and Ames O'Connor's
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  Speaker 1: mysterious pap photos. But first, Jules Neal has cemented her
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  Speaker 1: icon status, sharing a photo of her decked out in
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  Speaker 1: Fremantle Dockers gear wearing Moments before her ex-husband, Lockie Neal,
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  Speaker 1: was set to run out for the Brisbane Lions in
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  Speaker 1: the AFL Grand Final. Now, in the photo, which Jules
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  Speaker 1: decided to share to her Instagram story, she was standing
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  Speaker 1: beside her best friend and they were both wearing Frio scarves,
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  Speaker 1: holding up mimosas. Now, no caption was required for this
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  Speaker 1: post as the photo really spoke volumes, didn't it? I
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  Speaker 1: just loved how petty it was. And I mean, petty
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  Speaker 1: in the best sense ever. Taylor Swift petty. Like it's
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  Speaker 1: a sort of petty that you be around your best friends,
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  Speaker 1: like when you can be your worst self. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that so many people loved it because they could
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  Speaker 1: relate to it. It's something that we would all love
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  Speaker 1: to do because it's just such a fuck you.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to remember also, she's a Perth girl. So
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  Speaker 2: she was just getting around her local team. I think
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  Speaker 2: she also used to support the Dockers and Lockie Neal
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  Speaker 2: used to play for them. So It's not like the
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  Speaker 2: level of pettiness where she actually had to go and
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  Speaker 2: buy the Frio scarf. Like she may have already had it.
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  Speaker 2: I love what Jules did. But as someone who is
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  Speaker 2: a little bit superstitious, I was worried for the result.
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  Speaker 2: And we all know that the Brisbane Lions ended up winning.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, did she put the mockers on it
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  Speaker 2: a bit? Because, you know, it kind of for people who...
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  Speaker 2: you know, love to point out that she's kept the
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  Speaker 2: last name and, you know, sort of stick up for Lockie,
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  Speaker 2: they'd be like, oh, sucked in. Because we shared the
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  Speaker 2: photo on our Instagram, went absolutely nuts.
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  Speaker 1: And I had to spend most of my Saturday night
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  Speaker 1: trying to remove foul comments from male AFL fans who
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  Speaker 1: were just going for her. It was revolting. The Queen
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  Speaker 1: herself even liked the post, which I thought was hilarious. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God. I was so excited by that.
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  Speaker 2: It is crazy how polarizing people's algorithms are because, you know,
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  Speaker 2: most of the comments I saw about it were positive.
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  Speaker 2: And then I clicked on a Daily Mail article and
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  Speaker 2: literally 99% of them were negative.
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  Speaker 1: I think the reason why so many Brisbane Lions fans
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  Speaker 1: were upset about this photo is because they feel like
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  Speaker 1: Jules Neal has been trying to derail the Lions finals
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  Speaker 1: campaign since day dot. Her tell-all interview about Lockie Neal
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  Speaker 1: literally launched as the finals were starting. Then obviously Tess
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  Speaker 1: Crosley appeared in the Daily Mail interview. There's been a
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  Speaker 1: lot going on.
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  Speaker 2: I think what further aggravated Lions fans was people's reaction
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  Speaker 2: to the news that it seemed like Lockie Neal was
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  Speaker 2: actually going to miss out on the grand final. So initially,
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  Speaker 2: he was ruled out with a one-match suspension for striking
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  Speaker 2: a Hawthorne player in the prelim final.
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  Speaker 1: However, at the last minute, it was overturned. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: surely not. It felt like it was all playing out
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  Speaker 1: like a soap opera. Yeah, there were so many TikToks
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  Speaker 1: of women literally rejoicing in the streets at the news
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  Speaker 1: that Lockie had been suspended for the grand final. people
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  Speaker 1: were hashtagging justice for Jules and saying, how did she
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  Speaker 1: do this? Like what sort of witchcraft did she use
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that her ex-husband was ruled out of
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  Speaker 1: the grand final? As you said, in a shock twist
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  Speaker 1: that became overturned. It was some weird technicality.
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  Speaker 2: It was almost cruel the way it played out for
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  Speaker 2: Jules because it would have been such a rollercoaster ride.
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  Speaker 2: You would have been so happy and then last minute
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  Speaker 2: be like, Fuck's sake. And I think that's probably what
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  Speaker 2: provoked her to wear the Fremantle scarf. She was like,
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  Speaker 2: this week has been bullshit. I'm just going to put
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  Speaker 2: it out there.
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  Speaker 1: Fortunately for Jules, there were a lot of women who
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  Speaker 1: had her back at the MCG anytime Lockie Neal got
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  Speaker 1: the ball. There was so much booing going on. This
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  Speaker 1: also extended to people at home. I saw so many
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  Speaker 1: TikToks of women giving the finger to the TV whenever
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  Speaker 1: he was on there.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to admit, I was only supporting Frio because
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  Speaker 2: I can't stand Lockie Neal.
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  Speaker 1: Normally I probably would have gone for them.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that they were going for their third grand
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  Speaker 2: final in a row, you know, I would have got
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  Speaker 2: on that train, but I just couldn't bring myself to
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  Speaker 2: do it.
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  Speaker 1: I saw so many TikToks again of women just screaming
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  Speaker 1: at the TV and being so annoyed at their boyfriends
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  Speaker 1: being like, I can't believe that Lockie Neal won. So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there was a lot of feeling over this
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  Speaker 1: grand final.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what pissed me off more was when
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  Speaker 2: I saw Lockie Neal's new girlfriend, Emma, rocking a jacket
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  Speaker 2: with his last name on the back. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my God, can you have some respect for Jules?
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  Speaker 2: Like this is actually embarrassing. Like why would you want
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  Speaker 2: to be promoting the fact that you're with this guy?
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  Speaker 1: The reason why I think it struck such a chord
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  Speaker 1: with me is because that's their family name. He was
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  Speaker 1: actually married to Jules for a number of years. They
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  Speaker 1: have kids together. So it just seems weird for her
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  Speaker 1: to be wearing their family name on her back when
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  Speaker 1: they're very fresh. I mean, they've only been official for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks now. She actually followed up after
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  Speaker 1: the grand final posting their first couple photo together and
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  Speaker 1: it was in the club rooms after the game. He
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  Speaker 1: was holding up three, obviously, for the three premierships and
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  Speaker 1: had a beer in his hand. It wasn't a particularly
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  Speaker 1: romantic photo. It almost looked a bit like a fan photo.
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  Speaker 1: If I was her, I wouldn't be posting any couple
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  Speaker 1: shots after the game. We saw how the others went
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  Speaker 1: down last year.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: I think I might be fresh out of advice for
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  Speaker 1: the day, to be honest. You know what, babe?
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  Speaker 2: Nikki Westcott has taken aim at her husband's former friend
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  Speaker 2: and business partner, Matt Paul. In a recent episode of
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  Speaker 2: her Happy Hour podcast, the influencer was asked who she
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  Speaker 2: would fuck, marry, kill out of Matt Paul, Jack Steele
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  Speaker 2: and Lucy's former roommate. Let's take a listen to what
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  Speaker 2: she said.
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  Speaker 1: Paul is dying for me because that cunt's that dramatic
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  Speaker 1: and a loser, to be honest. Oh, fuck. When I
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  Speaker 1: saw that name, I was like, Nikki's going.
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  Speaker 3: To go ham.
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  Speaker 1: Do a few more fucking weird Instagram stories, you kook. Dead. God,
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  Speaker 1: I was a bit taken aback by that.
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  Speaker 2: We actually asked her a similar question on stage at
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  Speaker 2: the controversial Adelaide live show. So we asked her the
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  Speaker 2: same scenario but with Tammy's exes. And we all thought
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  Speaker 2: she would choose Matt Paul to kill, but she was
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  Speaker 2: much more reserved and respectful with her answer.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, calling him the C word and also a
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  Speaker 1: loser is pretty below the belt. And I'm surprised that
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  Speaker 1: they do it after they have been getting this mean
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  Speaker 1: girl sort of portrayal following the Tammy Hembrough incident. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was very surprising to me.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, for those listeners wondering what Nikki's issue with
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  Speaker 2: Matt Paul is, it's all to do with her husband,
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  Speaker 2: Ollie Frost. So we've discussed in depth the fallout between
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  Speaker 2: Ollie and Matt on the podcast before. We'll link to
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  Speaker 2: those episodes in the show notes. But for new listeners,
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  Speaker 2: essentially the bad blood has to do with this failed
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  Speaker 2: business venture that the pair embarked on So back in 2020,
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  Speaker 2: Matt invested in Ollie's Gold Coast restaurant, Maman, but he
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  Speaker 2: was left out of pocket $ 30, 000 when it collapsed into
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  Speaker 2: liquidation just three years later. In 2023, Matt actually called
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  Speaker 2: Ollie out publicly, so he did an interview with the
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  Speaker 2: Gold Coast Bulletin, as well as putting Ollie on blast
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  Speaker 2: on his socials. Quite rightfully so, I might add.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'd be pretty spewing if I was left
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  Speaker 1: $ 30, 000 out of pocket, allegedly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for Nikki to go on her podcast and call
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  Speaker 2: Matt Poole a loser and the C word for speaking
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  Speaker 2: out about being financially impacted by her husband's business failures
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  Speaker 2: pretty often. I mean, I don't even know why she
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  Speaker 2: would address this. It only brings the issue back up
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  Speaker 2: into the news cycle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like she's trying to turn it back
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  Speaker 1: on him when everyone is quite aware of what went down. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Matt wasn't the only person that they took aim at
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  Speaker 1: on last Thursday's episode. Lucy had a further dig at us.
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  Speaker 1: So while answering an am I the asshole dilemma about
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  Speaker 1: a family feud between a woman and her mother-in-law, She
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  Speaker 1: seemingly poked fun at the photo that she defaced of us.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. I just hope that if anything
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  Speaker 1: ever goes on between you and I, I just hope
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  Speaker 1: we can have a fucking conversation like normal people.
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  Speaker 4: Otherwise, I will be putting a gif on your head
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  Speaker 4: and putting it on my stories.
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  Speaker 1: And you fucking better believe it, cuz. Do you know what?
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes I think. Hope you're well. All good if not.
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  Speaker 1: In family.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure if we even have to
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  Speaker 2: say much off the back of that grab. I think
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  Speaker 2: it speaks volumes. But if I'm pushed, one thing I
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  Speaker 2: would like to add is I find it pretty ironic
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  Speaker 2: that Lucy made a jive about how she would like
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  Speaker 2: to have a conversation like a normal person, which I
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  Speaker 2: completely agree with. Like in these situations, just pick up
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  Speaker 2: the phone. But for the record, she only ever communicated
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  Speaker 2: with us over text when she flagged that she had
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  Speaker 2: this issue with the content we shared from.
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  Speaker 1: The live show.
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  Speaker 2: Plus, she never replied to our last text message and
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  Speaker 2: then posted that meme. So it seems like she maybe
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  Speaker 2: should take her own advice on board and just pick
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  Speaker 2: up the phone next time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was confused about. It was like
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  Speaker 1: she was trying to act as if we were just
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  Speaker 1: too shy to talk to her over the phone when
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  Speaker 1: in reality, she's the one that kept it over text
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  Speaker 1: and never replied. I mean, at the very least, for
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  Speaker 1: the Lucy and Nikki stans who were claiming that there
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  Speaker 1: was no proof Lucy posted the picture of us with
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  Speaker 1: the dog faces, despite it being from the official account
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  Speaker 1: she shares with Nikki, at least she's cleared that up
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  Speaker 1: for us. Also, I think it's showing that we're not
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  Speaker 1: receiving an apology anytime soon. No, well, she's clearly not
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  Speaker 1: apologetic for her behaviour, which is pretty disappointing, but.
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  Speaker 3: Josh has liked photos of girls before or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Steph, Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw's new podcast with Shameless
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  Speaker 1: Media debuted this week and the duo is already sparking debate.
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  Speaker 1: In the first episode, the entrepreneurs discuss burner accounts and
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  Speaker 1: rogue activity on the internet. And during this discussion, Steph
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  Speaker 1: revealed that she is often contacted by concerned followers who
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  Speaker 1: have noticed her husband, Josh, liking other models' photos. Let's
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to what she said.
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  Speaker 3: Josh has liked photos of girls before or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And so many people send it to me. Have sent
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  Speaker 1: it to you and say, oh my God, I can't
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  Speaker 1: believe your husband is coming. People have even sent it
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  Speaker 1: to me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my God, Laura. Should you tell Steph? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Can you tell Steph?
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  Speaker 4: Josh follows this page and they.
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  Speaker 1: Post like naked photos.
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  Speaker 3: Because obviously in their relationship, it would bother them. But
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  Speaker 3: for me, he thinks I'm the hottest thing in the
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  Speaker 3: entire world. And I'm like, he makes that very clear.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's fair, right? You would, you would build
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  Speaker 3: up those insecurities if you didn't feel that from your partner.
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  Speaker 3: And then you saw your partner, you know, liking or
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  Speaker 3: maybe having a burner account and following all these things.
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  Speaker 3: Like I totally understand how someone would have a problem
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  Speaker 3: with that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think Dalton would think to make a burner account.
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  Speaker 4: Like I just don't think that would be something that
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  Speaker 4: he would think about if I saw him comment on
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  Speaker 4: someone's photo unless the comment was naff and it was
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  Speaker 4: embarrassing to me as his.
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  Speaker 1: Wife yeah like at least comment in a cool.
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  Speaker 4: Way you know what I mean as long as it's
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  Speaker 4: not a naff comment like that is if it was
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  Speaker 4: I'd be like Dawson you are embarrassing the family atlas
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  Speaker 4: is going to grow up and be so.
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  Speaker 2: Embarrassed shameless knew what they were doing with this this
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  Speaker 2: clip has gone absolutely viral and ruffled some feathers Now,
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  Speaker 2: the majority of followers disagree with Steph and Laura's stance.
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  Speaker 2: One person wrote, Ladies, get some standards. Your husband shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be liking half-naked images of women on Instagram as a
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  Speaker 2: form of respect. It has nothing to do with if
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  Speaker 2: a woman is insecure or not. He shouldn't want or
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  Speaker 2: need to be liking images of that nature online.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that comment has over a thousand likes. That's the thing,
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  Speaker 1: because some of these images that Josh has been caught
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  Speaker 1: out for liking are are of half-naked women. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen the photos that he's been liking. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure if they're like artistic. He is a photographer, so
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  Speaker 1: maybe they're sort of model-esque poses. I'm trying to give
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  Speaker 1: him a bit of the benefit of the doubt here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure. I don't think I'd be so
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  Speaker 1: cool about it. I saw another comment that said, I'm
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  Speaker 1: so relieved by how many sane women are commenting on
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  Speaker 1: this disagreeing. Let's claw back some respect for the sanctity
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  Speaker 1: of marriage, please. Another person said, sorry, girls, I think
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: this is a bit backwards. Micro cheating is very real.
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  Speaker 2: I think no matter how secure you are in a relationship,
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  Speaker 2: it's a huge red flag if a man is doing
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  Speaker 2: this with half naked women.
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  Speaker 1: Another listener said, I don't think the girls even agree
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  Speaker 1: with it deep down. Steph is calling other girls insecure
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  Speaker 1: to try and make it okay in her head. Everything
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  Speaker 1: in this combo is so wrong to me. The putting
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  Speaker 1: down of other women really shocked me and goes against
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  Speaker 1: everything they usually say. So disappointing. And that's really what
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  Speaker 1: stood out to me as well, because I think that
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  Speaker 1: they were almost so excited to be recording their first episode,
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  Speaker 1: particularly with Shameless. They seem to be a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a cool girl clique going on there. And I think
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  Speaker 1: they were trying to be the cool girls and be
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  Speaker 1: unbothered by, you know, their partners liking these sorts of posts.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Laura was saying, oh, I don't mind if
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  Speaker 1: my husband is comments on other girls' posts, as long
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  Speaker 1: as the comment isn't naff and embarrassing. Personally, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be so fine about that.
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  Speaker 2: I think one of the other optics that was a
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  Speaker 2: little bit off is the fact that both Laura and
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  Speaker 2: Steph are models. So it kind of could have been
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  Speaker 2: taken as a bit of an air of arrogance that, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter because I'm much more attractive than
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  Speaker 2: any of these people on the internet. I mean, Steph
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  Speaker 2: even made a comment saying, oh, my husband thinks I'm
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  Speaker 2: the hottest thing ever.
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  Speaker 1: In Steph's defense, I think that she was trying to
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  Speaker 1: show how secure she is in her relationship. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she and Josh are childhood sweethearts. There's nothing wrong with
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  Speaker 1: being confident about the way you look. And I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's up to them whether that crosses their
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  Speaker 1: boundary or not, but I can see how it rubbed
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  Speaker 1: other women up the wrong way. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But my issue, and I think a lot of others
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  Speaker 2: was the fact that it's like, oh, if you're not
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  Speaker 2: cool with this behavior, then that's your issue. You're just insecure.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, actually, no, as a lot of people said,
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  Speaker 2: it's a respect thing. I mean, yes, of course, when
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  Speaker 2: you're married, you can still find other people attractive. But
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  Speaker 2: I feel like liking these sort of photos on Instagram
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  Speaker 2: is endorsing it. And as a couple of other people commented, well,
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  Speaker 2: often people start off by liking photos and then sliding
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  Speaker 2: into DMs.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not.
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  Speaker 2: Particularly a great look, not suggesting that that's what Steph
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  Speaker 2: Kleismith's husband is doing, but Again, the optics don't particularly
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  Speaker 2: look good.
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  Speaker 1: I think as well there's nothing more unattractive than a
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  Speaker 1: man in his 30s being too active on social media
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  Speaker 1: and that might sound unfair. But it's like, yeah, have
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  Speaker 1: a look if you must. Have a look around. See
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  Speaker 1: what's going on. But don't actually engage with people's posts. Also,
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  Speaker 1: the fact that he's got a profile. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: pretty disrespectful.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine these models that don't know the context, like that
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  Speaker 2: Steph's apparently cool with it, getting a like from Steph
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  Speaker 2: Glessmith's husband and being like, oh, this feels a bit wrong. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I found Laura's comments around this so funny because I
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  Speaker 2: think that she again was trying to be like Steph
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  Speaker 2: and act like, you know, too cool for school.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if your husband's commenting under girls' photos.
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  Speaker 1: But then she admitted that Dalton leaves flame emojis under
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  Speaker 1: Steph Glessmith's photos. And I was like, that's just weird. Like, Again,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he's doing it ironically or as a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a joke. They seem to have a kind of wicked
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  Speaker 1: sense of humor. Well, but then again, like not everyone's
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  Speaker 1: in on the joke.
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  Speaker 2: So if that is a personal joke, send them via
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  Speaker 2: DM in a group chat. I mean, can you imagine
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  Speaker 2: like my husband sending you flame emojis? I mean, again,
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  Speaker 2: that's just weird.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: It is weird. Particularly because we're identical. I did enjoy
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: the format of this show though. I think that as
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: we said on last week's episode, Shameless have intended this
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: show to be pacier. They've got a lot of community engagement.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: People are sending in their own stories. It's exactly how
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: I thought it would be. And I did enjoy listening
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: to it. It was quite interesting to hear their take
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: on burner accounts because Laura admitted that back in 2010,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: she had a burner account and she once left a
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: comment under something that closed. She didn't actually really specify
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: what she said, but apparently she She's the sort of
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: person that overthinks everything. So she started thinking, oh, my God,
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get in a lot of trouble for
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: having this burner account. I might get arrested. And apparently
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: for three years following this one comment, every time she
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: walked past the police station, she was concerned that she'd
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: get in trouble over it.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: God, 2010, what was she, like, 18 or something?
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: Well, Steph did say, hold on, in 2010, I don't
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: think we even had Instagram. So maybe Laura was trying
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: to put a bit of mayo on it and be like, oh,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: it was ages ago when it was really like five
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: years ago or something. Yeah, that's true.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, calling ourselves out, we've had burner accounts, I
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: would say for 15 plus years. It started off with
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: a burner Facebook account and being journalists, we were told
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: every good journo has a burner account. I want to
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: point out though, I think burner account has a totally
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: different connotation to a finster. I would more say we
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: had a finster because in our finster account, it's not
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: like we ever comment under people's photos because people use
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: burner accounts really to troll people and leave nasty comments.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: This was more to look at people's things that we
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: didn't necessarily want people to know that we were looking at.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: I think that's a good distinction to make. Definitely not
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: trolling anyone on our Finsters or burner account, whatever you
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: want to call it. As you said, it's more just
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: to be able to view people's stories without them knowing
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: you're looking at it.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: In terms of the new format, I was surprised how
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: involved the producer got.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't like that, particularly because she seemed to
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: lead the chat very early on.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I was kind of like, I'm not familiar with this person.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know who they are. It kind of made
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: it feel like a group project where she had come
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: up with all the topics and they were just rocking
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: up for the first time hearing about it then, which
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I don't actually think was the case. I did think
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: she was good though at wrapping Laura up a little bit.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Like there were a few times and Laura started to
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: go off a bit of a tangent and she sort
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: of cracked the whip and was like, no, no, not today.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I'm just not a
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: massive fan of when there is a producer on a
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: podcast and they're always getting involved. And I'm like, well,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: you either should co-host the show or just pipe down
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Like you can be a producer, but
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: not be interjecting all the time. Yeah, I think you
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: kind of lose the intimacy of the conversation particularly because
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: this is now being sold as two best friends having
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: a chat and that was the reason for the rebrand.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I found the start a little bit clunky. As you said,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: it got good.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: But the way they addressed the name change and Steph
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: came out and said, oh, I got a comment saying,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: are you guys shutting down Kik?
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: And they said, oh, that's definitely not the case.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: But it was sort of awkward how the producer said,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: kind of was like pumping their tires and saying, oh, well,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: when we looked at you guys, we're like, oh, you're
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: known for your friendship. And that's why we came up
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: with the name. It was kind of like a production
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: meeting that didn't need to air.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a bit of a pet peeve of mine.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: It's like, look, this discussion should be happening behind the scenes.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: We don't have to hear it first thing up on
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: the episode. Yeah, I was kind of thinking just get
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: into it.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Like don't over explain it because it was kind of like, oh,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: for anyone that's new, it's like, well, it's still in
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: the same feed.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Like the majority of people.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Are listening are people that have listened the whole time.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: One thing that I hadn't even thought of with the
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: name that they brought up was the fact that Steph's
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: name was first. It was always going to be first.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: She has a bigger profile. Yeah, but Steph was like, oh,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I felt a little bit awkward at first, but I
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: didn't bring it up with you, Laura. And Laura's like, oh,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I was worried that you would be thinking that I
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: was thinking too much into it.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Laura always seems to pump Steph's tires, though. There have
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: been countless times where I've listened and she's referred to
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Steph as a celebrity and spoken about how many followers
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: she has and.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: That she's so well known. So surely.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: that was just a given that Steph's name was going
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: to come first. I mean, every time I hear them
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: referred to, I always hear it as.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Steph and Laura. Talking about parts of the episode that
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: felt like a bit of a planning meeting, I didn't
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: really like how the girls decided to rate their performance
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: at the end of the episode. So Laura jumped in saying,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: so what would you rate yourself, Steph? And she said
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: maybe a seven and a half out of 10, because
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I was feeling really nervous because I'm excited about today
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: and I've just been overthinking it. Whereas Laura said, oh,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I was really hoping that we'd all rate ourselves an
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: 11 and all of you listening at home, you're an 11.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, please, we don't need this
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: toxic positivity. That's what we wanted to leave with the
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: kick pod. I think that should have been cut out.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Taking a rating down for the toxic positivity. Not to
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: be too critical because in saying all of that, I
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: did enjoy the paciness of it. I think that it's promising.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: My only thought listening was, is it kind of doubling
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: up on what Shameless talk about?
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sort of a bit overhearing celebrities or influencers
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: cover pop culture because And I also find it a
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: bit hypocritical when they then get in arms about other
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: people talking about them. I've noticed it's happening more and more.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we've had it directed towards us,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: you know, the last seven years of our podcast, how
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: dare you talk about me, even though I've got a
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: massive profile in Australia and everyone follows me. But it's
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: like these A-list celebrities are up for discussion.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: It's like, what's the difference? Well, that's the basis of Shameless,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: isn't it? They move from talking about local influences to
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: A-list celebrities, but then they ended up getting blocked by
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: a massive A-lister. That person hasn't been revealed yet. But
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: that's the thing with TikTok.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: So they used to be safe from talking about the
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: big A-listers because they were never going to see it.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: But with TikTok making everything so global and when things
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: go viral, they actually do end up seeing it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: So why do I feel like this segment has been
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: a Gogglebox style review of a podcast? Like just sharing
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: all of our thoughts. I think that should be a new...
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: thing for us on TikTok, doing some vloggle box stuff. Vloggle,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: but this was a podcast. Yeah, I know, but like,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I reckon we could do vloggle and podcast box. Tammy
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Hambro's Gold Coast Mansion remains on the market after it
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: failed to sell at auction over the weekend. Now, Tammy
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: shocked her followers by listing her waterfront home in July.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: sparking rumours that she was in money trouble after also
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: recently shutting down her activewear brand.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Now, Tammy actually cleared those rumours up on stage at
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the Lucy and Nikki live show in Adelaide, confirming she
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: is not poor and saying that she wants to buy
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: a larger property with chickens so her kids have more
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: space to play.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: It's quite clear when Tammy listed the house that she
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: was concerned that the press or fans may come and
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: have a sticky beak at her home and There might
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: be stories that come out about it because initially inspections
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: were appointment only and prospective buyers reportedly had to be
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: vetted through a very strict process after registering their interest.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: That didn't turn out to be very successful though because
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: it sounded like no one actually looked at the house.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: They ended up having to lift that rule. Yeah, so
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: they ended up having to scrap it. Her agents instead
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: put up a no photography or videography sign on the
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: front of the door before the open inspections started. And
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: apparently they monitored the crowd quite closely.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Imagine if you legitimately wanted to buy it and you
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: just wanted to snap a few photos and videos for
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: that purpose and couldn't.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I think it probably rubbed a lot of people up
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the wrong way. I mean, they had to do it though,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: because you can imagine people creating TikToks being like inside
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough's house. I mean, the house has obviously been
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: a backdrop. of her life over the past six years.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: She bought the house in 2020 for $ 2. 88 million.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: That's interesting because it's now being listed online for $ 4.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: 35 million. I mean, I know that the property market
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: has gone up.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: A lot, but potentially that price may be a little
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: bit high considering it was passed in.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Well, Tammy actually wasn't at the auction on the weekend
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: because she's currently holidaying with her boyfriend, Grayson Timoana in Singapore.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Fun fact, Tammy actually used to live in Singapore with
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: her family growing up.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I noticed that she liked the 100 plus drinks because
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: she did a bit of a photo dump. Most of
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: the photos were of her sitting on this staircase. It's
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: so funny when you go through and you're like, I've
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: seen that one. I've seen that one. Like I'm a
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: bit sick of seeing the photo shoot types of pictures.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: And then there were only a couple of interesting holiday
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: snaps within them. And one was this drink I remember
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: trying in Singapore. And I am just a fiend for Singapore, Malaysia.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I love those countries. I've been there lots of times.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: So it made me feel very nostalgic. I saw her
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: posting about the sites because there was that reel where
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: she was making out with Grace and Timoana in front
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: of all the pretty lights at Merino Bay. Oh, no,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: this was just a particular photo dump where she obviously
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: liked this shot of her but used it like six
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: different times within the carousel. Did you not notice her
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: feet in it? That's what everyone's been talking about. She
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: had these really weird shoes on and I can't even
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: explain them. They literally look like gloves but shoes. So
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: there was this weird stuff around her toes and everyone,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: like Ruby Tuesday Matthews commented, were you rock climbing or something?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: And everyone thought, oh, is she trolling us? Because she
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: knows she's going to get a lot of engagement over
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: these shoes.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Is it that thing that Madison Woolley was caught out
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: doing a while ago where all of her video thumbnails
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: are of her feet just to capture like certain people's attention?
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I didn't even think of that. I just more thought
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: because the shoes were so weird that everyone be like,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: oh my God, what are you wearing?
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, we've spoken a lot about her rage baiting
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: and trying to get engagement. I suppose she is the
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: queen of it. I'm just waiting for a proposal because
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like if there was ever a spot to
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: do it in, it would be Singapore because, as you mentioned,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: she used to live in Singapore.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: It holds a special place in her heart.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: In that video of her at Marina Bay with Grayson,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: it's almost like he knelt down just at the end
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: and people were like, I saw what was going on.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I'm putting it out there. I think we could have
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: an engagement announcement very soon. I mean, I quite enjoy
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: that just for the entertainment side of things. Now, getting
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: back to the auction, realestate.com are reporting that there was
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: a potential buyer who was very interested. They placed an
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: offer of $ 3. 8 million. The auction paused for negotiations after
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: that bid. It was then raised to a further $ 3. 9
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: million before the auctioneer decided to pass in the property.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: As you touched on, Kate, the property is now listed
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: online for $ 4. 35 million dollars. So, you know, she wants
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: at least $ 450, 000 more than what people are willing to pay.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Can someone just buy it so we can see what
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the next chapter holds for Tammy? Like, I want to
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: see if she actually ends up buying some property with
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: chickens or, you know, what is actually going to happen
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: because you can come out and say, no, no, I'm
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: not having money troubles, but essentially your actions speak louder
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: than words. TikToker Ames O'Connor has been papped on the
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Gold Coast looking like she's been transported back to the 90s.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Now I know 90s fashion has been back for a while,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: but I'm talking crimped hair, butterfly clips, even a Tamagotchi
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: strap to her pants. This was a very Britney Spears-esque look.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Do you reckon she's just trying out her outfit for
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the Hilary Duff tour? Because apparently that's what all millennials
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: are wearing, very 90s looks. Well, she looked absolutely incredible.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Like I had no issues with the outfit, but The
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: one thing that stood out to me was the Tamagotchi.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Like I was like, what's that about? Surely that's not
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: an accessory you're actually rocking.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Well, she has a couple of kids. Maybe she picked
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: up one of their toys. Who knows?
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Do you remember back in, I think it was like
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: year three, we all had our Tamagotchis and it got
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: to a point that they had to be banned from
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: the classroom because the teacher was like, no, you may
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: not clean up its poo or feed it. And they
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: had parents back at home having to feed them and
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: keep them alive.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because so many kids were getting upset that they'd
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: come home and their Tamagotchi had died because they couldn't,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: you know, tend to it. Getting back to this story though,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: it's quite interesting because a burner account called Spotted GC
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: posted these pap photos of And the account claims that
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Ames was having a heated conversation with an unknown woman.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: And I mean, she doesn't look very happy in the photos.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: What's got me a little bit suspicious is the fact
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: that a burner account is posting these pat photos. Like
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: to me, this feels like something big is coming from Ames.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: It's got a bit of an Indy Clinton bouff hair
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: type of vibe.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe a bit of a marketing campaign going on. I
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: feel like so many brands have been inspired by Rachel Wilde,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: which Personally, as someone who works in PR and marketing,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: it's great to see that people are actually thinking outside
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the box. Well, to me, it's obvious that the photos
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: weren't taken recently because Ames is currently recovering from.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Pelvic floor surgery. She's been documenting the process and hats
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: off to her. It's so brave of her opening up
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: about this surgery. And I think it's helped so many
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: women out there.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Sam Guggenheimer is back in the news for making an
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: unsavory joke about a serious medical condition. While documenting the
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: aftermath of a facial treatment, she showed her followers her
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: flushed face and said this.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: As you can imagine, commenters were quick to pull Sam
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: up on the inappropriate comment and just like that, the
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: video was swiftly deleted. Now, obviously I found Sam's comments in.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Very poor taste, but the more I thought about it,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the more I started to wonder.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Is this a reflection of a generational disconnect around the
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: word AIDS? I mean, we were born in 1999, so
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: we were young kids at the peak of the AIDS crisis.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: And at the time, I think it's fair to say
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: that there was widespread public fear about it and also
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: a stigma about the condition. And despite only being young
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: at the time, I just would never.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Joke about it.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I still have a visceral reaction to the word and
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I really don't even like using it.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, for our generation, it wasn't just a word
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: for a medical condition. It was associated with death and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: fear and also discrimination. Princess Diana famously tried to break
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: down a lot of the stigma around AIDS. She sat
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: down with an AIDS patient and shook their hand during
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: a press call and that was to demonstrate that it
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: is safe to do so because people were thinking that
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: they could catch AIDS simply by touching someone.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, this isn't about making an excuse for Sammy Guggenheimer,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: but it is interesting when you consider she is from
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: a generation that grew up when HIV was much more treatable.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't really think that I see anyone
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: joking about it now. I just think that this is
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: so off. No, but that's not what I'm saying at all.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying I think it's actually lost a lot
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: of context because It's no longer this untreatable death sentence
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: that it used to be.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that is all we have time for today.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for this episode.
• 28:32
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• 28:34
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• 28:37
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• 28:44
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• 28:45
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• 28:48
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