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The Battle That Ended China's First Empire — Xiang Yu's Greatest Victory | Silk and Steel · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Silk and Steeled podcast
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Speaker 1: Chinese History series, where we talk about Chinese history from
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Speaker 1: the deepest antiquity to what we optimistically hope will one
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Speaker 1: day be the present day thereabouts. As we live through
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Speaker 1: the truly tumultuous and epoch making moments in our own day,
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Speaker 1: it is always good to look back on the similar
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Speaker 1: events of the antiquity, and so we return back to
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Speaker 1: It's like around two hundred a d BC two. It's
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Speaker 1: around two hundred BC thereabouts. I think it is the.
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Speaker 2: Two O seven to seven BC.
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Speaker 1: To seven BC, not too far off, so the final
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Speaker 1: death roads of the Chin, of the first and unified
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Speaker 1: Chinese state, or you can say non feudal, unified, more
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Speaker 1: unified Chinese state, the Chin Empire, and of the turbulent
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Speaker 1: times that the people then found themselves in. But welcoming
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Speaker 1: us back is our guest is I'm sorry, I'm the
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Speaker 1: perpetual guest, and welcoming as back is girl from Valley.
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Speaker 2: Hey, JJ, thank you for that love intro. We are going.
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Speaker 2: We are now covered up to three O seven BC,
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Speaker 2: the winter of three O seven just a quick recap
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Speaker 2: the first recorded peasant rebellion in Chinese history spread very
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Speaker 2: quickly when you first broke out in three oh nine BC. Uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, within three months the peasant rebellion, the rebels,
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Speaker 2: numbering over one hundred thousand, has broke through into the
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Speaker 2: Chin heartland, approached less than one hundred kilometers of the
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Speaker 2: Chin imperial capital, Henyang. And at that point a junior
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Speaker 2: treasury minister, Uh Sunghan proposed that, Hey, we don't have
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Speaker 2: time to mobilize to to to call up a draft.
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Speaker 2: Let's uh send the general amnesty to all the prison
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Speaker 2: labor that's currently building the mausoleum of the first emperor. Uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, numberings seven hundred thousand people. Let's give them
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Speaker 2: general amnesty, organize them into troops, and use that to
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Speaker 2: crush the rebels. And so that was done. And because
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Speaker 2: he volunteered, he was made the commander. So this will
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Speaker 2: be equivalent of like Scott Besson, the Treasury secretary of
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Speaker 2: the United States. Not that you that Pete Deedsev was
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Speaker 2: doing a poor ass job. And it's like to organize
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Speaker 2: a new US military composed of entirely of prison labor
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Speaker 2: to go fight the war. Uh. But except not except
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Speaker 2: somehow wasn't even the chief Treasury. He is the junior treasury,
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Speaker 2: so it's like a deputy of Scott Bedson.
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Speaker 1: So in a way, this is showing how like in
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Speaker 1: tatas Ching administration is because even in the like status
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Speaker 1: quo power, you know, where you know, you have a
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Speaker 1: bureaucratic state and the kind of hierarchy and proceedures to follow. Suddenly,
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Speaker 1: the fact that some junior treasury official can be made
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Speaker 1: the general to then like lead the army is a
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Speaker 1: sign that there's no no one else either available or
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Speaker 1: no one else like willing to take the responsibility.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, another problem was the ching Ching military at
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Speaker 2: that time was all sent to the frontier, you know,
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Speaker 2: like mostly along the Gray Wall, and there was already
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Speaker 2: another huge contagion that was sent to the far south
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Speaker 2: into the present day cant each area in the Pearl
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Speaker 2: River delta, and those people are not coming back. They
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Speaker 2: have declared their own empire down south, and the Great
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Speaker 2: Wall troops they couldn't rush back in time. So the
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Speaker 2: Chin Empire, all the troops are forward deployed to the frontier.
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Speaker 2: So inside the empire it is actually very lightly defended
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Speaker 2: with local garrisons. And that's why the rebels could make.
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Speaker 2: And Plus, the first imperor had order to tour down
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Speaker 2: city walls like the Great Walls that was built between
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Speaker 2: the former six states and build national highways to connect them.
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Speaker 2: To connect them, that's why like the rebels. First they
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Speaker 2: didn't have to besieged big cities, and two they can
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Speaker 2: travel on these newly built national highways to have straight
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Speaker 2: for the capital. But anyway, Zanhan actually made the best
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Speaker 2: of his prison labor troops. He was able to crush
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Speaker 2: the first rebel leader Tensen, and then he crushed Tensen's
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Speaker 2: immediate successor, Shiang yang Uh. And he thought, okay, well,
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Speaker 2: now the the the two forces has been thoroughly crushed.
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Speaker 2: President presented no threat, so he moved on to subjugate
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Speaker 2: the other restore six states. He first subjugated the Waste State,
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Speaker 2: and now he moved across the Yellow River north into
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Speaker 2: Uh into the Zao State territory. He actually took the
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Speaker 2: Tzao capitol hunt then he leveled the walls, relocated the population,
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Speaker 2: and the King of Zao and his prime minister Zunger
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Speaker 2: retreated north into a city called Jilu, where they hold
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Speaker 2: up and and but pretty soon they come besieged by
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Speaker 2: the frontier troopes that just came south from the Gray
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Speaker 2: Wall under the General Wang bi H now the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: so Owngner sent emergency plea for help to all the
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Speaker 2: rest of the lords of the restored six states. One
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Speaker 2: missive reached the court of the new True State. The
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Speaker 2: previously the King of Chu was a twelve year old
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Speaker 2: you know cowherd who was plugged for to be a
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Speaker 2: puppet of shiang Yang after was.
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Speaker 1: Still a descendant of the previous true ruling line, so
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Speaker 1: it worked.
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Speaker 2: It's because he has legitimacy. And when shiang Yang was killed,
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Speaker 2: the two troops were in shock, so Nubang and Shang
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Speaker 2: had to pull back their troops and to move the
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Speaker 2: former puppet king, the teenage public King who is now
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Speaker 2: thirteen year old to punshan Uh which is present day
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Speaker 2: street Zo area rare strategic location. And then the thirteen
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Speaker 2: year old, because he must have some capable advisor around him,
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Speaker 2: he took control of the army. He combined the army
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Speaker 2: of hiang Yui and the ten Du. Ten is a
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Speaker 2: former commander of ten Sen who joined Shang Yiang. So
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Speaker 2: he combined the two armies and then he redistributed them.
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Speaker 2: He made the Obang a marquis and Shiang Yui another marquee,
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Speaker 2: and made Du ten Stad the prime minister and made
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Speaker 2: En another general. So he split the forces, and at
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Speaker 2: that time the envoy from stated Chi come visit his court.
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Speaker 2: The envoy previously was sent to the camp of Shiang Yang,
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Speaker 2: the Grand Commander, but the envoy was met on the
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Speaker 2: way by two envoys, song Yi and Sony. Told the
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Speaker 2: Chi envoy Lord Galadin said, don't don't go so fast.
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Speaker 2: I think Sean is going to be doomed to a
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Speaker 2: defeat if you if you walk too fast, you might
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Speaker 2: walk into a disaster, just just like you know, take
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Speaker 2: take your time. And that prediction come true. So when
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Speaker 2: Lord Gowdin came to the court of King Huay two,
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Speaker 2: he was seeing the praise of sony Uh and and
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Speaker 2: so King had a audience of Sony and found son
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Speaker 2: You've been very capable of intelligent. So he appointed son
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Speaker 2: you to be the grand commander of the True Army.
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Speaker 2: Now they made us King Hawaii and advisors made a
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Speaker 2: very strategic, uh important decision. They they decided, okay, we're
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Speaker 2: gonna split the forces. The main force two force is
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Speaker 2: gonna let by Sony to rescue the besieged Tau forces
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Speaker 2: because you know, like we have to save the Tao
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Speaker 2: state because like the taking the lesson from the War
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Speaker 2: states period, when none of the states will rush to
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Speaker 2: other states rescue, they got picked off one by one
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Speaker 2: by the Chin state. So we have to rescue the
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Speaker 2: Thous state. So they say the main part of the
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Speaker 2: Chu forces under Sounyi with Shang as his deputies uh
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Speaker 2: to to to north to save Taou State. But at
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Speaker 2: the same time, the sent the Obang westward expedition against
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Speaker 2: the Chin heartland and with the promise that whoever breaks
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Speaker 2: into the Chin our heartland and overthrow the Qin dynasty
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Speaker 2: first will be made the king of Qin. Now this
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Speaker 2: is a very attractive offer because before all these lords
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Speaker 2: were just fighting among themselves to grab territory uh in
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Speaker 2: the former six States land. Now this is a pretty
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Speaker 2: big incentive for anyone who want to be king to
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Speaker 2: to to actually go and overthrow the Qin dynasty. And
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Speaker 2: so we we'll focus on son Yes, Uh, We'll talk
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Speaker 2: about the Ubang later, but first let's focus with the
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Speaker 2: main body of two troops that travel with Sony. So
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Speaker 2: Sony went went north and then before he crossed the
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Speaker 2: Yellow River, he stopped h at a place called Anyang
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Speaker 2: and he camped out for more than a month. And
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Speaker 2: now his deputies Shangi is very impatient because he wanted
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Speaker 2: to take vengeance on the Chain forces for the death
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Speaker 2: of his uncle Shang Yang, and he went to meet
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Speaker 2: with his commander Soon. He's like, like, this is an
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Speaker 2: excellent opportunity for us to crush the main forces if
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Speaker 2: we work. If we we we go to north right
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Speaker 2: now with the South forces that was being besieged in
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Speaker 2: Julu coming to attack from within, and we attack from without,
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Speaker 2: we can we can catch the Chin forces in the
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Speaker 2: middle and and give them a decisive defeat. But at
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Speaker 2: this point, Uh Soon, you said, oh, this is where
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Speaker 2: h but but see this is my real plan, our goal.
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Speaker 2: We were sent by King Hui Tu too to rescue
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Speaker 2: that's out state, but our real goal is to overturn
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Speaker 2: Chin dynasty. And now State of Chin and State of Tsao.
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Speaker 2: When they fight, it's like the two tigers fighting among
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Speaker 2: themselves that you know they will both come away with
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Speaker 2: serious injuries. Say if the State of Chin defeats the
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Speaker 2: State a Tsau, that will they will have to pay
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Speaker 2: a very heavy price. And at that time we can
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Speaker 2: attack the weekend Chin forces and take and use our
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Speaker 2: opportunity to the question if the other way, if the
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Speaker 2: Zau forces somehow managed to repair the chain forces even better,
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Speaker 2: and then we will be able to move in and
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Speaker 2: and and crush the remaining chain forces. So and then
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Speaker 2: he goes down to say, look, putting an armor leading
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Speaker 2: the vanguard in charge into battle, you are better than me.
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Speaker 2: But sitting in in the in the in the h
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Speaker 2: Q plot in strategy, I am better than you. And
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Speaker 2: at that time, Shang is just reach twenty five year old.
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Speaker 2: Now he's so so he's just by like, okay, you
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Speaker 2: you're you're a little young for too young for this,
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Speaker 2: you know, like I got this, don't worry but this.
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Speaker 2: But Shang, we obviously did not agree. And there start
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Speaker 2: to be a riff between these two commanders. And so
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Speaker 2: so the the split becoming more and more obvious by day.
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Speaker 2: And then so you put up an order. You know,
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Speaker 2: whoever is a fee as a tiger, and as stubborn
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Speaker 2: as a goat, and as greedy as a wolf, and
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Speaker 2: too strong will to be to obey my command, will
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Speaker 2: be put to death. I mean, he might as well
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Speaker 2: just say Shang Yu will be put to death if
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Speaker 2: you disobey the order, because everybody knew that. When he's
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Speaker 2: talking about the fears as a tiger, stubborn as a goat,
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Speaker 2: they're talking he's talking about Shang Yi, right. But at
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Speaker 2: the same time there was uh uh. He was assuming
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Speaker 2: he was also working in diplomatic front because his his
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Speaker 2: uh relationship with a with a Chi envoy previously Uh
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Speaker 2: he saves the chi envoid Lord Gawling's ass by telling
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Speaker 2: him not to hurry up to rush to Shang Dana's camp.
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Speaker 2: So they had a really good relationship, and the stated
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Speaker 2: she also wanted to cultivate relationship with through him, so
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Speaker 2: they invited his son to be a senior minister of
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Speaker 2: Chi now, so he was very happy about this. So
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Speaker 2: he sent his son escort is Sung all the way
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Speaker 2: to the cheap order uh in a tongue called wu
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Speaker 2: yan and and and I hold a huge send off
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Speaker 2: banquet where he feasted with a chain with the cheat officials.
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Speaker 2: Now this is the time, this is a winter and
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Speaker 2: during the rainy season there was a torential rain. A
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Speaker 2: lot of the two soldiers there were camped out. There
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Speaker 2: were scooped up in their camp for for forty six days,
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Speaker 2: and and it was rainy, weather was really cold, and
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Speaker 2: they didn't have enough to eat. So there in the meantime,
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Speaker 2: while soon he himself went off to give his son
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Speaker 2: a send off banquet and to have a feast with
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Speaker 2: a Chia official. So he's a lot of the there's
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Speaker 2: a lot that discontent start to spread among the rank
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Speaker 2: and files, and Shang we seize this opportunity. And more importantly,
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Speaker 2: because son You left the army camp, this is an
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Speaker 2: opportunity for for Shang You to seize the power. So
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Speaker 2: he gathered his confidant and and Shang You said, look,
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Speaker 2: the I went to advise the general to tell him,
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Speaker 2: this is the best opportunity for us to crush the
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Speaker 2: to crush the the Chin army. And yet at this time,
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Speaker 2: you know, when at this part, this this particular juncture,
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Speaker 2: this year, the harvest was really poor. The famine is incoming,
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Speaker 2: and our soldiers are eating very poorly, our our supply
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Speaker 2: are running short. Yet our commander Sony is feasting with
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Speaker 2: high official of the chiefe state. And when I asked
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Speaker 2: petitioning him to lead our troops to go across the
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Speaker 2: river to fight the Chain troops. He said, Now you
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm just waiting for the Chin to be weak,
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Speaker 2: to weaken themselves fighting against the State of Tsau. But today,
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Speaker 2: with as strong as the Chin imperial forces are, they're
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Speaker 2: attacking a newly restored Sao state and the victory for
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Speaker 2: them is certain. And once the Chin has triumphed over
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Speaker 2: state at Tau and they were able to mobilize the
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Speaker 2: resources and the food supply of the Tao state, you
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Speaker 2: will only make them even stronger. How how how is
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Speaker 2: that going to weaken the state of u Chin and
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Speaker 2: additionally our our state, us who just suffers a huge setback.
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Speaker 2: Our king was very anxious, and that's why he has
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Speaker 2: mobilized all the troops that that could be conscripted and
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Speaker 2: and and sent them to be under the command of
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Speaker 2: son Ye. This this he's placing the entire safety of
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Speaker 2: our state in the hands of Sony. Yet at this
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Speaker 2: particular time, the Sony does not care about the common
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Speaker 2: soldiers and and and to to to, instead trying to
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Speaker 2: benefit his own family. You know this this is the
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Speaker 2: time to see who are the real, real loyal ministers,
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Speaker 2: and so after he convinced his his his folks, he
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Speaker 2: waited until Sony came back from the camp.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: So in one early morning, on the pretext of going
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Speaker 2: to the Sonyes camp to discuss important matter with him,
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Speaker 2: he walked in, stabbed son Yi and cut off his head,
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Speaker 2: and then he gathered his uh his followers, and he
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Speaker 2: issued an edict. He says, soon he had colluded with
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Speaker 2: stated Chi to betray the state of true. The King
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Speaker 2: of Chu has give me the command to execute uh
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Speaker 2: execute him. At this time, most of the people already uh.
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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of the two troops originally there
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Speaker 2: followers of Shangui's uncle, Shang Dyang. So they all said, look,
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Speaker 2: this the the one who it's it's uh. It's your
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Speaker 2: uncle that first built up the state of two and
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Speaker 2: made our king the king. And today, of course we
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Speaker 2: will follow the general too to quill this uh betrayal.
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Speaker 2: We we're all willing to follow you. So now the
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Speaker 2: Shani made himself the act king general, and he sent
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Speaker 2: people to chase after sun Yi's son, who was going
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Speaker 2: to the Chief state to be to be senior minister,
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Speaker 2: and then caught up with him and killed him. And
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Speaker 2: then he sent his underlying Huansu to take the head
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Speaker 2: of Sunyi to report to King huaio Tu. Well, King
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Speaker 2: Kuyo to have no choice at this point, so he
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Speaker 2: appointed hiang Yu as official commander. And at this point,
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Speaker 2: you know, Shangi with one swoop have recaptured the power
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Speaker 2: that he lost.
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Speaker 1: He basically did like what happened before, his uncle and
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Speaker 1: him dominated the true rebel forces. And when his uncle died,
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Speaker 1: this young king seized the opportunity and decided to make
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Speaker 1: hiang Yu and Libung equals okay to kind of clip
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Speaker 1: shang Yu's wings someone And now he's they made him
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Speaker 1: the subordinate of this like other guy who seems more
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Speaker 1: of a politician you know, schema than a general.
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Speaker 3: So chiang y he is.
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Speaker 1: He's kind of hot blooded young and he's also seen
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Speaker 1: he watched his uncle kind of do something similar to
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Speaker 1: start the rebellion to begin with, right by you know,
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Speaker 1: killing the killing the governor who invited him in. So
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Speaker 1: he you know, disregards the chain of command, but he
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Speaker 1: has all the troops are mostly law to him, and
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Speaker 1: his narrative makes more sense inherently. And he's also more
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Speaker 1: easily understood because the Qin army. I'm assuming that they
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Speaker 1: kind of know that the Qing army has largely defeated
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Speaker 1: the Chao army in the field and has already taken
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Speaker 1: the Chiao capital and is now sieging the like substitute capital. Right,
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Speaker 1: so the really the song yestrategy is kind of hard
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Speaker 1: to fathom. Like maybe if everyone was more established, if
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Speaker 1: this was still the sixth the Warring States period, it
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Speaker 1: would it's more comprehensible. It's basically that kind of mentality. Still,
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Speaker 1: it's kind of like a boo Warring States boomer of
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Speaker 1: a sorts, you know, But it's, yeah, it's weird because
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Speaker 1: the it's not as though the Chao and the Chin
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Speaker 1: states are fighting in un roughly equal in equal force.
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Speaker 1: It's not like the Chomping campaign, where on the face
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Speaker 1: of it it looks like they have comparable forces, even
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Speaker 1: though logistically, you know, Ching state was in.
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Speaker 3: A much stronger position here.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Chao is on its last legs and the
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Speaker 1: only people who could say who could reverse the situation
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Speaker 1: are the other rebel leaders. But if the other rebel
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Speaker 1: leaders are all thinking like him, then no one's going
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Speaker 1: to do anything.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, so and by the Way. Something very similar
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Speaker 2: happened during the late Warring State period as well, you know,
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Speaker 2: during the siege of Tao capital hunt done at that
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Speaker 2: time with like Zadao was also reaching critical period and
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Speaker 2: the rest of the lords of the other states are
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Speaker 2: also adopting away and see attitude. And that's when Ubun's
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Speaker 2: idol uh Lord Shinning of Way, he marched into the
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Speaker 2: Way Army commanders camp and he had his bodyguard smashed
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Speaker 2: the Way Commander Jim b head open with a twenty
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Speaker 2: five kilo iron hammer, and the Lord Sindin took control
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Speaker 2: command of the Way Army and then led the force
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Speaker 2: to the rescue Handan and crushed the Chain forces. So
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Speaker 2: there was a presidence for that. But but in both cases,
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Speaker 2: uh you know, Lord shinn In he was previously an
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Speaker 2: army commander in Way, so he had a prestige in
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Speaker 2: the army. Same similarly with shang Yi shan Ji already
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Speaker 2: have an organic support in the army. No Sony was like,
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Speaker 2: you know, royally appointed appointee. You know, he didn't have
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Speaker 2: the time to actually establish his own change chain of
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Speaker 2: command yet. Uh So so you know, I remember like
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Speaker 2: in the what came of throne. There was the scene
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Speaker 2: where the little Finger was saying what is power, and say, oh,
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Speaker 2: I'll show you what is the power. Okay, seize him,
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Speaker 2: cut his head. But sir, s it was born into
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Speaker 2: that power, you know, she was born into the But
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Speaker 2: the but people like shun you r Lord Shining, they
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Speaker 2: had organic support, like they even though they didn't wasn't
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Speaker 2: appointed by by their king, but because they had people,
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Speaker 2: a group of people were already predisposed to follow him.
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Speaker 2: So all they have to do just to seize the power.
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Speaker 1: This is a great example of the what his later
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Speaker 1: it's going to be called a shah, which is going
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Speaker 1: to be have a kind of notorious reputation legacy in
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Speaker 1: modern Japan, which we will get to later, where the
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Speaker 1: subordinates overthrow these superiors out of some sense of righteousness
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Speaker 1: and da da But we will get that m shore eventually.
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Speaker 2: That's that's a couple of two thousand years in the future, okay, okay, yeah.
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Speaker 2: So so now let's shift the lens back to the
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Speaker 2: besieged the Tzao temporary capital at Jululu. So while summer
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Speaker 2: and the King of Zao was being besieged, the Tzau
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Speaker 2: general Henri was gathering Saou forces. He over several tens
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Speaker 2: of thousands of men. He camped just outside of Juliulu.
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Speaker 2: But he thought his forces are too few to confront
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Speaker 2: the main Chin forces, because according to the records, the
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Speaker 2: Chin forces now number over four hundred thousand. So there
25:01
Speaker 2: are two hundred thousand by the of the Chin frontier
25:05
Speaker 2: tubes coming down south from the Great Wall, and then
25:08
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand on the prison tubes under the former
25:13
Speaker 2: Junior Treasury Treasurer Secretary Uh Sanghan, and and and so
25:21
Speaker 2: this is that's such a large force. Uh. You know,
25:25
Speaker 2: Tanghan was very cautious commander because he was basically a
25:29
Speaker 2: logistics officer. So he basically said to Uh with his
25:35
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand men, he said to just Uh at
25:39
Speaker 2: his supply tube for Wang lease frontier troopes from the
25:43
Speaker 2: Great Wall. He dug a canal connecting the Yellow River
25:47
Speaker 2: and the Yellow Sung River so they can ship the
25:50
Speaker 2: grain from the Chin granary in Shinyang along the Yellow
25:55
Speaker 2: River directly to the River Zong. And then Tanghan had
26:00
Speaker 2: build another highway front river down to the walls of Juilu,
26:06
Speaker 2: which covered the air distance of seventeen kilometers and on
26:10
Speaker 2: both sides of the highway of the grain corridor. He
26:15
Speaker 2: built fortifications walls to protect this corridor. So one these
26:21
Speaker 2: troops were wall supplied, and then she settled down in
26:25
Speaker 2: a long siege. The Treelups being besieged by three to
26:29
Speaker 2: four months at this time right now, and Thungler and
26:33
Speaker 2: King of Zau was getting really desperate inside the city.
26:36
Speaker 2: So to keep on sending messengers to Tenures, you say, like,
26:39
Speaker 2: please do something. You have tens of thousands of men.
26:43
Speaker 2: But then you feel like he doesn't have enough, you know,
26:45
Speaker 2: like he's facing hundreds of thousands of chain troupes, so
26:50
Speaker 2: he dare not move. So then Sungler finally he sent
26:54
Speaker 2: his uh, he sent his two confidants, and to blame
27:01
Speaker 2: Uh Tenjui, he said, uh, you know you we we are,
27:10
Speaker 2: we are, we are the friends. This is doung Earth's
27:13
Speaker 2: message to Tenury because sunger and and and tenuis are.
27:17
Speaker 2: They're good friends. They're very very good friends. And it's tongue.
27:22
Speaker 2: You suppose like there's a big age gap between them.
27:25
Speaker 2: Sung zung Aer is significantly older because he was like
27:29
Speaker 2: he was like a boomer from Waring stage period. Right
27:31
Speaker 2: he was a retainer of Lord Shining and and but
27:35
Speaker 2: Tenuy was served Zunger like Zunger was his father. But
27:40
Speaker 2: these two are really close. So Sunger, now send a
27:43
Speaker 2: messenger to blame tenuies like we are the friends who
27:46
Speaker 2: would die for each other. And now me and the
27:50
Speaker 2: King of Zao are being holed up in the city.
27:53
Speaker 2: Situation are desperate. Now is it's the time for you
27:57
Speaker 2: to show your loyal where's your loyalty? And we're aren't
28:02
Speaker 2: you gonna you know, how are aren't you gonna fulfill
28:05
Speaker 2: your promise to die together? And this is your chance?
28:09
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's not certain we're all gonna die.
28:12
Speaker 2: We still have ten to twenty percent of chance of
28:15
Speaker 2: coming out of this alive. And uh so then you
28:20
Speaker 2: you know, reply, he said, It's not that I, you know,
28:24
Speaker 2: I'm scared of that. It's or that I forget our friendship.
28:28
Speaker 2: Is because right now my forces are too few. So
28:34
Speaker 2: I the reason I have, uh you know, stayed here
28:37
Speaker 2: is because as long as I can keep myself alive,
28:41
Speaker 2: I will be able to take I will be able
28:45
Speaker 2: to take revenge for you and King of Tao. But
28:49
Speaker 2: now if I I just throw all my forces against
28:52
Speaker 2: the state, of chain. It's like throwing me to the tiger.
28:56
Speaker 2: H you know it's it's awful, nothing but the but
29:00
Speaker 2: duggers uh uh uh to to followers, sang Yen and
29:05
Speaker 2: tends Us said, they said, the situation has already become dire.
29:11
Speaker 2: We must choose to die together in order to establish trust.
29:15
Speaker 2: How can we know what will happen later? Uh So
29:18
Speaker 2: you said, okay, it's not I'm willing to die, but
29:21
Speaker 2: if only i's proved to, it's prove useful. Okay, but
29:26
Speaker 2: if you insist, I will give you five thousand men
29:29
Speaker 2: and you you to lead a probing attack, and you
29:32
Speaker 2: know you'll see how strong the chain forces are. And
29:36
Speaker 2: then then sang Yen and tend To let those five
29:39
Speaker 2: thousand tubes to attack the Chain force Chin. The Chin
29:44
Speaker 2: forces under the command of one ly be seeking the Julilu,
29:48
Speaker 2: and all five thousand were wiped out. So tell you
29:51
Speaker 2: what was correct. And at this point the other reinforcements
29:58
Speaker 2: start to gradually. Zung Earth's owned sang Zangau. He went
30:03
Speaker 2: to uh state of Die that was a nomadic part
30:07
Speaker 2: of the Tsao state and gathered ten thousand troops. But
30:11
Speaker 2: he's also scared to go save his father, so he
30:14
Speaker 2: camped right right next to Senui and State a Yen
30:19
Speaker 2: also sent their reinforcement under General Zongtu. Again they're scared
30:25
Speaker 2: to act on their own, so they also camp next
30:28
Speaker 2: to Sanui. And then in the stated Chi I mentioned
30:33
Speaker 2: Stated Chi, they had a fallout with the State of
30:37
Speaker 2: two and State at Tzao because stated she had a
30:41
Speaker 2: coup because Kenzo was not happy that a new king
30:46
Speaker 2: was in stall without his knowledge. So he came back
30:49
Speaker 2: and chase out the king and his ministers, and he
30:52
Speaker 2: ordered State at Tzao and stated who to execute all
30:55
Speaker 2: these the king and the ministers that sought refuge with them,
30:59
Speaker 2: but state that's out and stated true at that time
31:02
Speaker 2: it refused, So Ten don't said, okay, you know what,
31:06
Speaker 2: then I'm not going to send reinforcement to you. Uh. Instead,
31:10
Speaker 2: Ten don't start to try to pacify the Chi state.
31:15
Speaker 2: Now the grandson of the last king of Chi in
31:20
Speaker 2: the Warring States period, uh so the last king of
31:24
Speaker 2: She was keen Jian. His grandson was keen On So
31:28
Speaker 2: kiang I raised the banner of rebellion in the Sandong
31:32
Speaker 2: peninsula and and then ten Zoon sent his general Chen
31:38
Speaker 2: Do To to pacify this area. So so when Kien
31:44
Speaker 2: Do pacified by the region, then he took his troops
31:48
Speaker 2: to join the true force to to to to to
31:52
Speaker 2: to to to to join the true forces of Chiang
31:57
Speaker 2: to rescue that's out state. So in essence find his
32:00
Speaker 2: lord canzone. Uh. Canon then took this opportunity to recover
32:06
Speaker 2: all the territory that he lost at that time. Then
32:09
Speaker 2: he also took a bunch of troops to rescue the
32:12
Speaker 2: Zau state. So now you have the troops coming from
32:16
Speaker 2: the Can the Chief state as well. But again all
32:19
Speaker 2: of them are just waiting for something to happen. They're
32:22
Speaker 2: still waiting for because they're all scared to move. So
32:27
Speaker 2: you have like two hundred thousand won these troops and
32:33
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand Someheims troops they faced off with like
32:38
Speaker 2: maybe the other lords of Central plains that there probably
32:43
Speaker 2: number over one hundred thousand troops. But I by the
32:50
Speaker 2: Song Dynasty minister's account of how you know combat troop
32:54
Speaker 2: versus support troops. Uh, you know, remember he said for
32:58
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand trusops, really you probably only have seventy
33:03
Speaker 2: thousand combat troops, thirty thousand or logistics troops. And to
33:07
Speaker 2: support these hundred thousand troops, you need three hundred thousand
33:10
Speaker 2: corve labor to ship grain. So right now, even though
33:14
Speaker 2: the Chin troops number totals four hundred thousand, but really
33:18
Speaker 2: the people that really besieging Qui Lu is probably you know,
33:23
Speaker 2: like seventy thousand, seventy thousand Underwangdi and basically entire in
33:31
Speaker 2: the entirety of someheids forces of two hundred thousand prison
33:35
Speaker 2: labor are now all became logistic troops. You know, it's
33:39
Speaker 2: because they're digging the canals and building the grain corridors
33:43
Speaker 2: and all this stuff, because they have to feed a
33:46
Speaker 2: lot of men. But as you say, this is also
33:52
Speaker 2: because Somehinds is a very cautious commander. He's making sure
33:56
Speaker 2: everybody is getting properly fed and properly supply. But at
34:01
Speaker 2: this point, the reason all the reinforcement that's coming scared
34:06
Speaker 2: to take on the Chin forces because the Chin force
34:08
Speaker 2: are simply too strong. They're very entrenched position, they have
34:11
Speaker 2: the numbers and they have the supplies. Now comes Shang
34:17
Speaker 2: leading his two troops. By some account that the two
34:23
Speaker 2: troops under Shani is numbering about fifty thousand, right, which
34:27
Speaker 2: is a far smaller contagion. And what shan we decide?
34:33
Speaker 2: After he observed the layout of the Chin forces, he
34:38
Speaker 2: realized the chin forces are the two big Chin forces
34:43
Speaker 2: are actually you know, separated by quite a bit of
34:47
Speaker 2: a distance, because sometimes two hundred thousand men were concentrated
34:51
Speaker 2: serve as a reserve force and also logistic force. Well
34:54
Speaker 2: one these forces concentrating on besieging Trelu. They're they're there's
35:00
Speaker 2: a it's like a dung bell, right, there's a dung
35:03
Speaker 2: bell and the only thing that connect them is that
35:06
Speaker 2: grain transport corridor that as seventeen klomb their long green
35:12
Speaker 2: transport corridor. So Sean, you order his best fighter. General
35:20
Speaker 2: yimbu uh Andre Now Jimbo is a guy I mentioned before.
35:25
Speaker 2: He was a guy that was previously prophesied to gonna
35:31
Speaker 2: be suffered corporal punishment and then gonna be king. And
35:35
Speaker 2: then later he was caught for some whatever offense and
35:39
Speaker 2: sentenced to prison labor to build first imperson mausoleum, and
35:43
Speaker 2: he got his face tattooed as a as a prisoner.
35:47
Speaker 2: But then he managed to escape with his fellow prisoners
35:51
Speaker 2: to become banded, and then he thought, okay, the first
35:54
Speaker 2: part of my prophecy come chew. You know I got
35:56
Speaker 2: my face tattoo. Now I just I just need to
35:59
Speaker 2: wait for the secon Can fire to come to that.
36:01
Speaker 2: I have become ging right. So later he joined the
36:04
Speaker 2: rebels and he joined Shang Yang's forces. Now he's serving
36:07
Speaker 2: under Shangi. So Shimbu and Pou jiang Jun, they led
36:12
Speaker 2: their forces across the river and they went directly for
36:16
Speaker 2: the grain supply corridor. So now that the grain supply corridor,
36:20
Speaker 2: like I said, they have probably wall fortification on both
36:23
Speaker 2: sides to keep the highway clear. H the Yimbu and
36:30
Speaker 2: they took about twenty thousand men to cross the river
36:35
Speaker 2: and they were able to capture. They were able to
36:37
Speaker 2: cut the grain corridor in half. And that created a
36:42
Speaker 2: big problem for the Chin forces because there's a lot
36:45
Speaker 2: of chain troops that needs to be fed. You know,
36:48
Speaker 2: Wangdi have two hundred thousand men that needs to eat.
36:51
Speaker 2: And so Tanghan then start to move his forces from
36:57
Speaker 2: south trying to reopen the grain corridor. But Imbu and
37:02
Speaker 2: Pooh Junk Dreen they fought very tenaciously because they were
37:07
Speaker 2: able to capture those fortifications along the UH. The grain
37:11
Speaker 2: transporting corridor and use those fortifications and now against the
37:16
Speaker 2: chain troopes. Now and and and when you have like
37:21
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of tubes, you consume a lot of food,
37:26
Speaker 2: you know, and and and and this becomes things become
37:29
Speaker 2: very soon, very critical for one these troops that was
37:33
Speaker 2: besieging Jilu, because they have hundreds of thousands of my
37:37
Speaker 2: mouth that needs to be fed uh. And now their
37:40
Speaker 2: supply line gets cut. And now Shang order his main
37:46
Speaker 2: bodies troops to move the first cross uh the Yellow
37:52
Speaker 2: River and then they cross the Zung River. From from
37:54
Speaker 2: Zung River to Jui Lu, still have seventeen kilometer of distance,
37:58
Speaker 2: like I mentioned. And at that time, to show his determination, Shang,
38:05
Speaker 2: you order to sink all the ships and to to burn,
38:10
Speaker 2: to leave behind all the supplies. And he ordered his
38:14
Speaker 2: troops to only bring food for three days. Only bring
38:17
Speaker 2: enough food for three days. And basically it's do or die.
38:22
Speaker 2: You know, we we're either gonna win within three days
38:26
Speaker 2: against the chap forces or we're all gonna die because
38:28
Speaker 2: we have no retreat. Now, we have no way to
38:32
Speaker 2: back to, no place to turn. And his troops and
38:36
Speaker 2: came to reinforce Imbu and Juan Quen's force that was
38:40
Speaker 2: holding the green huh, that green corridor that some kind
38:44
Speaker 2: had created earlier. So when some himes forced, sometimes two
38:49
Speaker 2: hundred thousand troops try to reopen, but they couldn't because
38:54
Speaker 2: the Shang record of the Grand Historian give some really
38:58
Speaker 2: colorful for description. He said. When they arrived, they encircleed
39:05
Speaker 2: Wangli and engage the Chin forces in battle. They they
39:10
Speaker 2: engaged in nine consecutive fights. They cut off their supply corridor,
39:15
Speaker 2: decisively defeating them.
39:17
Speaker 1: How are they encircling Wangli? Isn't he still BESIEGINGU?
39:21
Speaker 2: Well, I think right, right, right, So so they they
39:25
Speaker 2: attack Wangli? Okay, okay, you know, maybeybe again. My Chan
39:30
Speaker 2: was getting ahead of himself, he said. At that time,
39:32
Speaker 2: the two forces were strongest among all the Allied states.
39:37
Speaker 2: There were more than ten. There were more than ten
39:41
Speaker 2: ally armies stationed to rescue Julu, but now there to
39:45
Speaker 2: deploy their troops. When two attacks the Chin forces, all
39:49
Speaker 2: other generals merely watched behind their walls. And this is
39:53
Speaker 2: another Chinese edian uh to b san guan, which literally means,
40:01
Speaker 2: you know, watching from the top of their fortress. Today
40:04
Speaker 2: it means being a fence setter, you know, sitting on
40:06
Speaker 2: the fence basically to a peace on one and the
40:10
Speaker 2: two warriors fought with each with each one holding off
40:14
Speaker 2: ten enemy, and the shouts of two warriors shook the heaven.
40:18
Speaker 2: Every soldier in the Allied our army were filled with fear.
40:24
Speaker 2: And so there are different accounts of what happened in
40:29
Speaker 2: the like I said in the Grand Record of Grand Historians,
40:34
Speaker 2: he does biographies. In the biographies of Shang, it's basically
40:38
Speaker 2: the fifty thousand two troops alone under Shang, we crushed
40:44
Speaker 2: the chain forces of four hundred thousand right. But under
40:47
Speaker 2: the biography, because the way it's organized, under each biography,
40:53
Speaker 2: the protagonist is absolutely you know, the biography for each
40:58
Speaker 2: character that the character him self is a protagonist. It's
41:01
Speaker 2: toll from their perspective. But from the biography of Zungar
41:05
Speaker 2: and Tenui it's described as slightly differently. It says in
41:10
Speaker 2: the in the biography of Zungu and Tannger, it says
41:15
Speaker 2: the at that time Uh Chang repeatedly cut off Zunghan's
41:22
Speaker 2: supply corridor. Long lease forces rang out of provisions. Chiang
41:27
Speaker 2: We then let his all his troops across the river
41:30
Speaker 2: and proceed to defeat Zanghan Sunheim withdrew his forces. Only
41:37
Speaker 2: then the Ally army dare to attack. The Chin forces
41:41
Speaker 2: besieged Juiu. So under the second version, because Chang Yu
41:47
Speaker 2: was repeatedly repelling Zanghan's attack, now the people saw there's
41:53
Speaker 2: actually a chance for victory. All the Ally forces, which
41:57
Speaker 2: actually number over one hundred thousand, and they that Wang's
42:01
Speaker 2: troops running out of provision where weakened uh around Dulu.
42:05
Speaker 2: So then they all gang up on wan Le. So
42:09
Speaker 2: that's after Dunkhein's troop have retreated south. So now in
42:15
Speaker 2: this this epic battle, the most cracked division of the
42:21
Speaker 2: chain imperial forces, you know, the frontier troops from the
42:25
Speaker 2: Great Wall under Onani was decisively crushed and Wangdi himself
42:32
Speaker 2: was captured. His uh his his his general jaw was
42:38
Speaker 2: was killed in battle. Another Chin general, Uh Senjian, refused
42:43
Speaker 2: to surrender, so he led himself on fire. Now, and
42:48
Speaker 2: this this epic battle of Juli lu Uh it shook
42:53
Speaker 2: the all the lords who were watching him previously from
42:57
Speaker 2: the wall. So so after the victory, Uh Shang you
43:01
Speaker 2: took the one least former camp, you know, where he
43:05
Speaker 2: hosts a count, you know where where he holds court.
43:09
Speaker 2: And all the lords of the various armies, they came
43:13
Speaker 2: to the camp so fearful they crawl on their hands
43:16
Speaker 2: and knees and into into the into the shang Us
43:21
Speaker 2: ten and and they dare not look up into shang
43:24
Speaker 2: Wu's face. So from this point on, shang Yu became
43:28
Speaker 2: like undisputed leader of the Alliance rebel army because just
43:34
Speaker 2: just because by by his performance, I mean like nobody,
43:39
Speaker 2: I mean like like because at that point before shang
43:42
Speaker 2: us entry, like Qin Army was set to win. There's
43:46
Speaker 2: no way that she will be defeated because they have
43:49
Speaker 2: they have the numbers, they have the supplies, and somehow
43:52
Speaker 2: shang Yu was able to fossil ferociously cut off the
43:57
Speaker 2: Chin supply line, and that inspire all the rest of
44:02
Speaker 2: the rebel forces to jump in to gang up on Onong,
44:06
Speaker 2: these forces who was already weakened from the lack of provision.
44:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was going over this segment, I thought,
44:16
Speaker 1: what couldn't the Chao army that had been like the
44:22
Speaker 1: remnant char that had been camped out of Chiudu not
44:25
Speaker 1: have itself done try to do this because the guy said, oh,
44:30
Speaker 1: I'm going to to prove my point that attacking the
44:33
Speaker 1: Chin army is not you, so I'm going to lend you.
44:35
Speaker 3: I think it's like five thousand or fifty five thousand men.
44:38
Speaker 1: Well, okay, but five thousand obviously, the five thousand men
44:42
Speaker 1: against like, I don't know, seventy thousand or more Chin
44:45
Speaker 1: troops is not going to accomplish much. Generally speaking, if
44:48
Speaker 1: he had thrown his full force in, it might have discombobulated,
44:52
Speaker 1: while these army enough to have make a difference. But
44:55
Speaker 1: then again, I guess it depends on where these armies
44:58
Speaker 1: are situated. Because shall Use Army has basically managed to
45:02
Speaker 1: attack in between Wangli and Shanghan's armies.
45:07
Speaker 3: So when I first saw.
45:08
Speaker 1: This, I thought, okay, wouldn't uh Janghan and Wanli's like
45:12
Speaker 1: they can their armies can still combine and crush him.
45:16
Speaker 1: And it seems that just through pure elon the these
45:20
Speaker 1: true troops are under shaw Use the leadership, are able
45:24
Speaker 1: to defeat much much larger and experienced and like professional
45:27
Speaker 1: armies who have a record a victory so who also
45:32
Speaker 1: have pretty high morale.
45:34
Speaker 3: And but then I.
45:35
Speaker 1: Thought, well, it seems like the fact that uh that
45:40
Speaker 1: shall use attacking them between between this in between attacking
45:45
Speaker 1: in between these two armies perhaps has cut the communication
45:49
Speaker 1: between these two armies somewhat. So Wangli is not really
45:55
Speaker 1: is perhaps not supporting Shanghan very success very well. Right,
46:01
Speaker 1: So he's able, so Sham is able to in a
46:03
Speaker 1: way fight these Chin armies piecemeal during these nine engagements.
46:09
Speaker 1: It's a bit we will see something similar many like
46:12
Speaker 1: almost fifteen hundred years later, where no hardship if he's
46:16
Speaker 1: a Ming army piecemeal at the Battle of Sarhu, but.
46:20
Speaker 3: We have more records of that. I'm speculating a bit
46:22
Speaker 3: about how do you.
46:23
Speaker 1: And once the wang Lea's army is partially engaged, is
46:29
Speaker 1: still is somewhat partially engaged with this battle, then all
46:33
Speaker 1: these other rebel leaders decide that, oh, you know, now.
46:35
Speaker 3: It's the good opportunity we can we can jump in.
46:39
Speaker 1: The Yeah, that's I guess that's that seems to have
46:44
Speaker 1: been how that worked.
46:45
Speaker 3: I guess if he had because.
46:51
Speaker 2: Somebody has to take the lead. Somebody had to be
46:54
Speaker 2: that that leader, you know, to be that one who
46:56
Speaker 2: is willing to go along going along, because say he
47:00
Speaker 2: probably couldn't count He probably thought about it and he
47:03
Speaker 2: decided he couldn't count on other people following him suicidal attack. Right,
47:09
Speaker 2: and also you're you're right then you and the rest
47:11
Speaker 2: of the rebel leader they're there to the north of
47:15
Speaker 2: the Julu city, whereas Uh shuang You came from the
47:20
Speaker 2: south right and from southeast. The town Hinds force was
47:25
Speaker 2: south of the Julu city. So so shungg You came
47:28
Speaker 2: from south east and cut off the Sunghan and Wanli
47:31
Speaker 2: separated Wani and sun Kids forces. And that when when
47:36
Speaker 2: the when the the rebel force saw the so the
47:40
Speaker 2: Chin troops start to falter, that's when they saw all, okay,
47:43
Speaker 2: victory is actually possible, and that's when they are all
47:46
Speaker 2: gang up on Wangli and Uh. And ironically, you know,
47:51
Speaker 2: Wangi is the grandson of the famous Ching general Wang
47:56
Speaker 2: jian Back who sixteen years ago, back in two hundred
48:00
Speaker 2: and twenty three BC led the conquests of the Two
48:04
Speaker 2: State and Wang Chen decisively defeated hiang UI's grandfather Chang
48:11
Speaker 2: Yen and killing Shang Yen. So it's i ironically like
48:15
Speaker 2: sixteen years later, you know, like Shang shan Yu was
48:18
Speaker 2: able to avenge with his grandfather Uh in the mid
48:22
Speaker 2: by capturing capturing the grandson of his Uh of wang
48:27
Speaker 2: Jin and one these Uh two songs. They were scared
48:33
Speaker 2: that they will their family will be under reprisal from
48:37
Speaker 2: the Qing Emperor because of this defeat, so they all
48:40
Speaker 2: rang away. One went to lang Ya in Sandong they
48:45
Speaker 2: started the the Wang Clan of lang Ya, which became
48:49
Speaker 2: very famous, and the other Song State went to Taiwan
48:52
Speaker 2: became the progenitor of the One Clan of Taiwan. So
48:58
Speaker 2: both branch of Wang family become like very prominent like
49:02
Speaker 2: aristocratic families of China later, like especially during the after
49:07
Speaker 2: the Three kingdom speriod during this Uh yeah, the one
49:13
Speaker 2: family of Long, but that's for some other time. But
49:17
Speaker 2: now Shangri, he he became the undisputed leader of all
49:23
Speaker 2: by by you know, by sheer balls. Everybody now look
49:29
Speaker 2: up to him. He's now the de facto leader of
49:33
Speaker 2: the rebel alliance.
49:36
Speaker 1: And he's gotten he's gotten the position his uncle had Basically, yeah, I.
49:42
Speaker 2: Mean like before he didn't have his uncle's prestige. But
49:45
Speaker 2: after this battle, I mean, like everybody is convinced. And
49:50
Speaker 2: but back in the camp of Zao, Uh there's a
49:54
Speaker 2: score remained to be settled between the two old friends,
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Speaker 2: Zugler and Henr. You know this. Now, Douger went to
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Speaker 2: find his old friends and he was like, were why
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Speaker 2: didn't you Why didn't you help?
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Speaker 3: You know?
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Speaker 2: For why did you set for three months on the
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Speaker 2: sidelines not to help us, despite my repeatedly plead for
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Speaker 2: help and and and can you explain the situation? So hey, yeah,
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Speaker 2: like when you when you send those two men uh
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Speaker 2: uh and ten to they they they they wanted to die.
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Speaker 2: So I give them five thousand men and they you know,
50:35
Speaker 2: the result is obvious. But Dogler wouldn't believe him. Somelar
50:38
Speaker 2: thinks then you secretly executed he's too confidant. So these
50:43
Speaker 2: two so these two now got into a very heated argument,
50:46
Speaker 2: and then you now got very pissed off because then
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Speaker 2: you thought he done nothing wrong. He thought he did
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Speaker 2: his best, and Donler felt betrayal, betrayed. And so at
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Speaker 2: this point then you throw down his seal of command
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Speaker 2: as a general, he's throw down the his CEO of
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Speaker 2: military command. Uh. Because he was going to the bathroom
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Speaker 2: and give a throat to some tower. He said, you
51:09
Speaker 2: think I just want to like power if you want
51:12
Speaker 2: to just I saw attached to the you know, the
51:14
Speaker 2: commander here, you can't have it. Then he went to
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Speaker 2: the bathroom, and Sungler was shocked. And then Sungler's retainer
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Speaker 2: then said, I've heard you know if Heaven is to
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Speaker 2: give you something, and you do.
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Speaker 4: If you are to, if you don't to refuse Heaven's offer,
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Speaker 4: you'll be punished. You know, this is Heaven giving you
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Speaker 4: the army of telling you, why don't you just take it?
51:38
Speaker 4: This heavens will so so while say you went away
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Speaker 4: to the bathroom, why don't you take a dumb some
51:44
Speaker 4: you took his command of the army, and they took
51:47
Speaker 4: all his army and left.
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Speaker 2: So then he came back, who finished his business came back.
51:53
Speaker 2: He only was only left with like several hundreds of
51:56
Speaker 2: his loyal followers. So now the two old friends are
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Speaker 2: now going to be bitter enemies because you know, the
52:04
Speaker 2: love and hate it's just a flip side of the
52:07
Speaker 2: same coin. And because now ten feel betrayed by exam
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Speaker 2: h and and this this will have consequences later as
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Speaker 2: we talk about uh uh and and when we come
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Speaker 2: back next week, we will focus on we'll focus on
52:25
Speaker 2: on the Obang, the other True army that was sent
52:29
Speaker 2: the westward to the Chain heartland. So even though King
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Speaker 2: Hwai promised, whoever enter the Chin heartland first and overthrow
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Speaker 2: the Chin dynasty will be made king. But the Ubang
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Speaker 2: was true, didn't the King of True at that I
52:47
Speaker 2: didn't have that much army to give. The Dubang had
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Speaker 2: less than ten thousand troops under his command. You know,
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Speaker 2: his his job was more as a distraction, create a
52:57
Speaker 2: distraction for the Chain in the in the like the
53:01
Speaker 2: the promise is the incentive is is a great one,
53:05
Speaker 2: but at.
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Speaker 1: That time it is not something that's there's a very
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Speaker 1: high chance that the King of True will not have
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Speaker 1: to make good on his promise.
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Speaker 2: Right yeah, yeah, But but but it's a good strategy
53:19
Speaker 2: because he created the incentives, so the other one others
53:22
Speaker 2: will try to rush to to accomplish that. That strict
53:27
Speaker 2: the objective which overturned the Chain dynasty rather than fighting
53:31
Speaker 2: amount themselves or like a piece of morsel, and and
53:35
Speaker 2: and but but that will leave it for the next time.
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Speaker 2: Any any other questions or comments.
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Speaker 1: No, I guess that's it. The I guess next time
53:46
Speaker 1: we will talk about the repercussions in the Chain state
53:49
Speaker 1: as once the news of all of these shenetigans.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because up to this point, the Ching dynasty was
53:58
Speaker 2: still pretty secure because there were still winning battles over battle,
54:02
Speaker 2: even though the rebellion were spreading like wildfire. But because
54:07
Speaker 2: dug Hun was able to put down rebellion after rebellion
54:11
Speaker 2: as long as the Chin army remained undefeated in the field,
54:15
Speaker 2: the Chin dynasty is still secure. But now the most
54:19
Speaker 2: elite crack tubes of the stated Chain, the frontier troops
54:23
Speaker 2: on the Great Wall, has been just wiped out. And
54:27
Speaker 2: now the only major Chin forces stamp between the Chain
54:31
Speaker 2: capital and the rebel is the sun Huns. You know,
54:35
Speaker 2: maybe less than two hundred thousand troops remaining, which is
54:39
Speaker 2: still a sizable force, But now they're facing a large
54:44
Speaker 2: equally uh maybe equally size force led by the new
54:51
Speaker 2: rebel leader showing fresh from his.
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Speaker 1: Victory against the newly unified rebel armies. Because after shot
54:58
Speaker 1: it almost defeated. The rebellion is kind of scattered again, right,
55:02
Speaker 1: and there's all ever, all these leaders looking on for themselves,
55:05
Speaker 1: but now Shanu has managed to impose himself through them
55:08
Speaker 1: through the staring.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, through his uh sheer will and uh it's I mean,
55:14
Speaker 2: it's a it's an impressive battle no matter how you
55:16
Speaker 2: look at it, because if he wasn't for shang Yi,
55:20
Speaker 2: like they like, I don't, I don't because it's he
55:24
Speaker 2: really somehow changed an impossible situation because the Chain troops
55:30
Speaker 2: were pretty secure. They're they're there while supplies they have
55:33
Speaker 2: the numbers. And uh, somehow, somehow Shang Yu was able
55:39
Speaker 2: to all turn that around. And this was a pivotal moment.
55:43
Speaker 2: This was a battle that decided the fate of the
55:47
Speaker 2: Qing dynasty. Basically, uh that led to the to the
55:51
Speaker 2: overthrow of the Qing dynasty. So this is one of
55:54
Speaker 2: the one of the most famous battle that made Shangi's name. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and and but but but the but the story is
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Speaker 2: not very far from the over from you know, this
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Speaker 2: sometimes still had two hundred thousand men and now the
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Speaker 2: Obang and Chang you are both eager to rush to
56:16
Speaker 2: be the first to rush to the Qin capital to
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Speaker 2: overturn the Qing dynasty so they can claim the throng
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Speaker 2: the promise of King Huai to be made the king
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Speaker 2: of Qing. And we'll see how that turned out when
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Speaker 2: we come back next time.
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Speaker 3: Okay, look forward to it.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Thanks everyone for listening until next time. Bye bye,