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Best Bets for NFL Week 5 and guest Seth Wickersham · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome them to the Favorites the podcast from the Volume
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Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I am Chad moment. It's Thursday, which means
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Speaker 1: it is time to narrow down the NFL board. Me
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Speaker 1: and my bff, my companion, my compadre Professional Better Simon Hunter.
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Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna do. We're trying to narrow down
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Speaker 1: the board to get to the five, six, seven picks
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Speaker 1: that we love. Come Sunday morning, those will be our
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Speaker 1: five best. We're gonna put him in the free Award
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Speaker 1: Action Network app. Such an interesting week, Simon, how are
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Speaker 1: you buddy? Good buddy? Yeah, this is uh, this is
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Speaker 1: an ugly week, but it's one of those weeks I
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Speaker 1: kind of love where I opened up my you know,
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Speaker 1: my different apps today night I saw these lines and
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Speaker 1: I was like, uh, and now here we're on Thursday.
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Speaker 1: I'm just like, man, I kind of love these games.
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Speaker 1: So that's usually how it goes with these uh week
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Speaker 1: five weeks six kind of bets. Yeah, I've been thinking
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Speaker 1: the same thing, Like Sunday night, Monday morning, I didn't
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Speaker 1: like anything, and now all of a sudden, I'm seeing
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Speaker 1: opportunities galore. I want to remind people we've been talking
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Speaker 1: about this book, It's Better to Be Feared on the
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Speaker 1: podcast for the past few months. Uh. Seth Wickersham wrote it.
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Speaker 1: It's about the Patriots dynasty, Brady Belichick craft. I'm saying
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Speaker 1: this as a seven time author, four time bestseller. Chad
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Speaker 1: Milman wrote a book. It's as good as sports book
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Speaker 1: as you were going to read. We had Seth in
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Speaker 1: the podcast. He's gonna come up later in the show.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about it signing, and I spoke to
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Speaker 1: him what was really interesting to me and why I
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Speaker 1: think Betters would be interested in this. He in the
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Speaker 1: book he talks a lot about mental strength, mental training, discipline,
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Speaker 1: all the things that Tom Brady has built his career on.
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Speaker 1: I think there's some credible opportunity to hear about that.
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Speaker 1: We got a lot to discuss, Like we said, that
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Speaker 1: board is turning our way. We had six, seven, eight
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Speaker 1: games that we liked. On Thursday, we will get to
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Speaker 1: um the big balls bet of the week, we will
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Speaker 1: get to a money line parlay the foxhold game from
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Speaker 1: this past week, where we're jumping into the foxhold Miami
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Speaker 1: is a double digit dogs. We will discuss that in
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Speaker 1: more depth. Our Simon says game was the Giants meeting.
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Speaker 1: Just go bet it right away. That line has already
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Speaker 1: moved from seven and a half down to seven. Still opportunity.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that too, and told the people
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Speaker 1: heading u up site they're not getting the best of
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Speaker 1: the number because they don't listen to the show until Saturday.
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Speaker 1: Go to the favorite podcast, subscribe and download on Tuesdays.
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Speaker 1: What can we do? People were giving these numbers out
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Subscribe to the show and download the show
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Man, before we get to anything else, we
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Speaker 1: gotta do sharp calls. Hello, who's there? I'm talking the Simon.
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Speaker 1: Please tell us the calls you received this week from
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Speaker 1: your professional betting buddies and how they responded to some
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Speaker 1: of what we discussed on Tuesday. A lot of ship talking.
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Speaker 1: They hate me that I didn't say I love the Bengals.
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Speaker 1: Apparently this has to be one of our five chat
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Speaker 1: I say a good a good ass kicking for me,
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Speaker 1: is maybe three or four pros of calling me up
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Speaker 1: and tell me I'm an idiot. Had ten ten different
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Speaker 1: ones hit me up either email, phone, call, or text,
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Speaker 1: tell me I'm an amateur, that I'm a coward, that
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Speaker 1: I said I need to Bengals three and a half.
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Speaker 1: I didn't give out Bengals out of three, Simon Hunter,
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Speaker 1: professional coward. That's shaping up to be to me, the
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Speaker 1: biggest pros Verse Show's game. The pros. I love this number.
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Speaker 1: That's why it's not going back to the three and
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Speaker 1: a half. That's why all the money in the world's
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Speaker 1: coming in on Green Bay and it's not moving. It's
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Speaker 1: just sitting there at three. So this this, uh, this
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Speaker 1: ain't gonna be a choice. Chad. I think we have
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Speaker 1: to put it in just because my honor is being
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Speaker 1: put on the line. Um. And the second one was
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Speaker 1: you were right. It's hard for me to say that, Chad,
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Speaker 1: but the pros were with you on the Chargers. Chad
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Speaker 1: Millman got something right. They hated my Brown's pick. They
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Speaker 1: think Baker was hurt. Came out today Baker is hurt
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Speaker 1: pretty much gave me a good as kick and saying that,
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Speaker 1: how did I not know that. How did I not
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Speaker 1: reach out the sources. I'm kind of missing one here
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Speaker 1: on the charges, but I just thought it was a
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Speaker 1: fishy line. That was the only reason I was so
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Speaker 1: scared of it. But yeah, now now we've had a point.
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Speaker 1: Now charge Chargers might be one of our five. But
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Speaker 1: I need to hear more and learn more about this
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Speaker 1: Baker injury because if this is for real and he's
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Speaker 1: going against that defense of the Chargers, yeah, I have
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Speaker 1: no doubt. Me and Chat are gonna love this comes
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Speaker 1: under Oh my god, dude, so we're gonna let's dig
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Speaker 1: in deeper. I had come around to the Browns and
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Speaker 1: was all over the Bengals with you even at three um,
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Speaker 1: so I'm glad to see everybody's still thinking about it
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Speaker 1: that way. Let's first talk about the Texans and the Patriots.
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Speaker 1: That number right now, Texans plus nine and a half
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Speaker 1: so ugly. But look, here's a system for you, right
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Speaker 1: are you ready? Here's something. I know you love the systems, Simon,
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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna give you one. Here's a system right
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Speaker 1: now since two thousand three NFL underdogs coming off of
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Speaker 1: three straight losses are covering at a fifty eight percent,
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Speaker 1: right as a sample size of well north of three
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Speaker 1: games covers the Texans, Dolphins, Eagles this week, and we
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Speaker 1: like it. For the Texans for sure, home dog. Only
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Speaker 1: one offensive lineman starter is practicing right now. For the Patriots,
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Speaker 1: they have injuries across the board, and again they sold
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Speaker 1: out completely to beat that Tom Brady in that game.
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Speaker 1: I know, people, I see the quarterback of Houston, Mills
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Speaker 1: is not that good. The kids terrible. He's not a starter.
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Speaker 1: This is more a bet on Houston's defense and this
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Speaker 1: and them having home field advantage where I know historically
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Speaker 1: Belichick his own the Houston team, but that was that
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Speaker 1: was with Brady. This is a rookie quarterback on the
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Speaker 1: road going to get to the team that's not as
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Speaker 1: terrible as they've looked the last couple of weeks. How
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Speaker 1: can we not chat? How can we not take this
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Speaker 1: big of one number again. If this was a lesson
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Speaker 1: that touchdown, maybe I'd hesitate about it, But no, crazy value.
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Speaker 1: This is gonna be in my money line, parlay my round, Robin.
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Speaker 1: This is gross. It's ugly. You love to bet these
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Speaker 1: ones because you get the ra opportunity. It's a rookie
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Speaker 1: on the road, that's favored by more than a touchdown.
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Speaker 1: You just historically you need to fade these positions. So
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Speaker 1: nothing Shange still love Houston, feel emit better about it
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Speaker 1: now that the Patriots have all these injuries to their
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Speaker 1: offensive line. Yeah, Patriots have a lot of offensive line injuries.
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Speaker 1: Professional betters especially had been unpacking the Bucks game seeing
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Speaker 1: a lot more holes in that offense than what was
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Speaker 1: revealed during the game. You wash away some of the hype.
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Speaker 1: You get back to reality that it's Mac Jones with
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Speaker 1: a banged up offensive line, and I think that you
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Speaker 1: can't run the ball either. Yeah, that's a new dread flag. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so people really start to like it. I also feel
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Speaker 1: like we're seeing right now Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin, Bill Belichick.
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Speaker 1: They have historically been these guys who break the rules. Right.
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Speaker 1: You want to back Sean Payton off of a loss.
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Speaker 1: You want to back Mike Tomlin in a raw rod
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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin spot. You want to back Bill Belichick in
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Speaker 1: these huge road favorite spots. Make the commitment towards a championship.
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Speaker 1: That's what our goal is eight hundred sixty third time.
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Speaker 1: But there are anomalies because those guys also had Drew
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Speaker 1: Brees since two thousand six, Ben Roethlisberger for the entirety
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Speaker 1: of his career, They had Tom Brady since two thousand
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Speaker 1: and one. So the numbers are all gonna be e skewed.
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Speaker 1: So now we're really going to find out this year.
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Speaker 1: Are these numbers because of the coaches in their scheme
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Speaker 1: or were they just riding the tale of a long
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Speaker 1: tale of these quarterbacks who put them in really good
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Speaker 1: spots and otherwise untenable positions for most coaches and most quarterbacks.
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Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna be trying to take advantage of
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Speaker 1: all these situations where people are gonna be betting on
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Speaker 1: old trends and things they used to see, and we're
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Speaker 1: hopefully gonna catch them, you know, in these positions where
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Speaker 1: it's like, now this number for this Patriots Houston game
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Speaker 1: should be seven, six and a half, it's eight and
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Speaker 1: a half. Nine because the respect of Belichick and what
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Speaker 1: he's done historically against rookie quarterbacks. But man, that's that's
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Speaker 1: a big, big number to back Mac Jones and no
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Speaker 1: run game. Yeah all right, Well, the other game that
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Speaker 1: I think we're not to talk about for the money
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Speaker 1: line and plays into this conversation the Dolphins against the Buccaneers.
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Speaker 1: Dolphins plus ten, We're gonna want to parlay the Dolphins
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Speaker 1: in the Texas. I know it's gross. Give me the
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Speaker 1: odds on parlaying right now, the Dolphins and the Texans
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Speaker 1: on the money line, it was twenty. It was like
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Speaker 1: twenty one to their money line. Parlay again, we're gonna go.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna go over a round robin this week. Those
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Speaker 1: two are definthly gonna be in there. I just just
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Speaker 1: situational plays like you just talked about. We have Miami
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Speaker 1: coming off three straight losses. I mean, say what you
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Speaker 1: want bupper set against these cornerbacks, he might he might
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Speaker 1: look like an All Star. I mean this is this
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Speaker 1: is a bad group right now for the Buccaneers. So
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Speaker 1: ten points. Miami's defense is way better. They're getting credit
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Speaker 1: for Brady doesn't have Grant. I I feel like people
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Speaker 1: don't get how big of a deal that is. We
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Speaker 1: saw it affect him in the red zone. They could
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Speaker 1: not finish these drives last week. If we have Xavier
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Speaker 1: Howard on, Mike Evans or you know, Godwin. I just
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Speaker 1: feel like there's enough pieces for this Miami deam to
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Speaker 1: keep us close. Where again, I had this power rate
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Speaker 1: at seven and a half, it opened at ten and
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Speaker 1: a half eleven. I thought I was getting three points
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Speaker 1: of value that you know, to me, that's huge. So
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Speaker 1: I've been on Miami. Gonna keep betting him. I'll take
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Speaker 1: him down eight and a half at this point, of course, Chad,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have their money line a couple of bets
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Speaker 1: because again, this is a last possession kind of game.
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Speaker 1: We respect the hell at a time Brady in the Buccaneers,
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Speaker 1: but we don't respect that defense. And we see the
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Speaker 1: pieces that Miami has an offense. They could get Wattle
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Speaker 1: right in this game, to get Davante Parker right in
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Speaker 1: this game. This is just a nice matt for this
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Speaker 1: Miami team. So give me those points. Chat, we love it,
10:03
Speaker 1: what fellas? I am sick of it. Okay, I can't
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Speaker 1: stand much more of this. It's a joke. It's a joke.
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Speaker 1: Love it, love it. I am feeling so confident putting
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Speaker 1: both the Texans and the Dolphins in our final five.
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Speaker 1: And that's a recipe for disaster, truly, it truly is.
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Speaker 1: That's why I like, I'm happy now if we do
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Speaker 1: end up with the charges in there because least we'll
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Speaker 1: have one smart favorite in there. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna end up with the Giants, Browns, Texans, Dolphins,
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Speaker 1: and Bengals. I guarantee that's what we're going to end up.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we should just put it out there now.
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Speaker 1: Bengals is that's our big ball is better the week
10:38
Speaker 1: big balls better the week. We're going in order. You
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Speaker 1: have a piece of paper, Yeah, I got all a
10:44
Speaker 1: piece of paper right here. Listen to me. My Thursday
10:47
Speaker 1: mornings have become my favorite morning of the week because
10:52
Speaker 1: it's not a morning where I work out. I've I've
10:55
Speaker 1: got my workouts to Monday, Wednesday and Friday. So I
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Speaker 1: and I have blocked out my calendar. I have blocked
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Speaker 1: out eight am to ten am on my calendar, and
11:04
Speaker 1: it just says pod prep all I'm doing reading, listening
11:10
Speaker 1: to podcasts like the Action Network podcast with Raybond and Stucky,
11:13
Speaker 1: which I love, reading Brandon Anderson's column on Action network
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Speaker 1: dot Com about his leans for every game, just sort
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Speaker 1: of getting in the headspace so I can start to
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Speaker 1: refine and be ready for this podcast and also get
11:27
Speaker 1: ready for talking to her later on in the on
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Speaker 1: the volume podcast with him. I get notes, i get organized,
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Speaker 1: I've got things in the Google doc I've got things
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Speaker 1: on paper. It's my favorite. It's my favorite two hours
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Speaker 1: of the week. Sounds amazing, It is so much fun.
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Speaker 1: Here's a game that we talked a lot about, a
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Speaker 1: lot of action going the other way, and I'm wondering
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Speaker 1: if you're still on the right side here. You loved
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Speaker 1: Carolina minus three and a half. You know that sometimes
11:53
Speaker 1: I can be influenced by Ray Bond and Stucky on
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Speaker 1: their podcast. They so loved the goals in this spot
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Speaker 1: for every single for for on the field, for systems,
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Speaker 1: for precedent, for Jalen Hurts, for matchups. Do you still
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Speaker 1: love the Panthers? They probably just our number of nerds
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Speaker 1: and they just saw, you know what, Hurts is unbelievable
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Speaker 1: against the blitz Carolina Panthers, the highest blitzing team, exactly
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Speaker 1: what it was. No, So like I saw that number two. Um, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's that's great. But that's like saying that, Okay, the
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Speaker 1: Carolina coach that coaches their defense is an idiot and
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Speaker 1: he can't look at the same data that all of
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Speaker 1: us nerds can pull up online and see. So Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's that's a fair reason to back them. My mine
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Speaker 1: more fading the Eagles here is just if you believe
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Speaker 1: in Carolina, you think they're a good team. They bounced
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Speaker 1: back after that loss. The Eagles a team we don't
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Speaker 1: think that's good, that has major holes on their defense. Again,
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Speaker 1: I think Hurts is a good quarterback. We talked. I
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Speaker 1: bet him to win m VB just because I saw
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Speaker 1: him putting up these fantasy numbers. The the guy. He
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Speaker 1: can put up crazy numbers ivery week. This defense has
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Speaker 1: major issues on this Eagles team. Dallas, I think they
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Speaker 1: gave up forty one and then they just gave up
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Speaker 1: forty again last week to Kansas City. Scary, scary, scary scary.
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Speaker 1: So I'm fine, we're not putting as one of our
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Speaker 1: best five, but I will still be back in the Panthers.
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Speaker 1: Just feels like a professional trap for the Eagles this week,
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Speaker 1: just like I think it opened up four and a
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Speaker 1: half five and now it's only down to three and
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Speaker 1: a half. So the pro money is coming heavy on
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Speaker 1: it a little bit like they're overlooking the major issues
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Speaker 1: on this Eagles team. So I can't hate it because
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Speaker 1: they literally just played Dallas and then they just played
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Speaker 1: since Kansas City Chiefs, so of course you would see
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Speaker 1: the Eagles bouncing back here. This is just a bet
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Speaker 1: on Carolina team. They played Grade at home, and I
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Speaker 1: like him in this position, so I'm still still been
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Speaker 1: in Carolina. All right, this is the past for me.
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Speaker 1: This cannot be in our final five. I'm much more
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Speaker 1: comfortable going with teams that haven't won any games and
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Speaker 1: have unproven quarterbacks and not very good coaches, uh than
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Speaker 1: going with a team that I actually think could end
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Speaker 1: up representing the NFC in this Super Bowl, in the
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Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. So let me make that decision. Let me
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Speaker 1: be that rational. Yeah, I won't fight you on You know,
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Speaker 1: I love dogs, so anytime we passed on a favorite,
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Speaker 1: I'm fine with it. All right, let's get Tom bum
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Speaker 1: Bum Big Balls better. The week. I'm taking the Bengals
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Speaker 1: plus three against the Packers. Everything lines up here. You're
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Speaker 1: getting calls from your buddies saying you're a coward for
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Speaker 1: not taking the Bengals at three and saying you gotta
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Speaker 1: wait to get him at three and a half. We
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Speaker 1: got of the action coming in on the Packers right now.
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Speaker 1: This is telling us every system. Every matchup is saying,
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Speaker 1: take Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow, who says I want the
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Speaker 1: ball in my hands against the Patters. Secondary is now
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Speaker 1: without Jaggery Alexander, who's the only guy who's really keeping
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Speaker 1: that thing together. I think the Bengals going the money
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Speaker 1: line parly. I don't know what the thing. I'm just
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Speaker 1: terrified of this matchup. I love the angles, I love
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Speaker 1: the number. Like we talked about, I wanted three and
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Speaker 1: a half. Them calling me a coward. That's putting it nicely,
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Speaker 1: and it was much harsher than that. They wanted to
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Speaker 1: check my credentials at the door. It was kind of
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Speaker 1: one of those calls, Um, what did you say? It's
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Speaker 1: my nerves, sir. I just can't stand you anymore. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're just a goddamn color. I won't have song. We're
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Speaker 1: afraid to fight staking of this place of honor. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we love, we love this number. It's a home dog.
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Speaker 1: I had this weird view of the Bengals that it's
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Speaker 1: skewed because of Zach Taylor. I just do not like
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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor. We talked about that. Coming into the year.
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Speaker 1: Jugo Burrow looks like the saving grace of that team.
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Speaker 1: We just talked about all the injuries the Packers after
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Speaker 1: that defense, I have faith that if this guy has
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Speaker 1: the ball and all we need is in to drive
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Speaker 1: the field, kick a field will either win it or
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Speaker 1: at least give us the push. I like it. I
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Speaker 1: just it's a smart number taking this plus three. Maybe
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Speaker 1: we'll see it this year with Green Bay that you know,
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Speaker 1: they're better at home then on the road kind of team,
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Speaker 1: and we saw them play a really close game with
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Speaker 1: the forty nine. Is now looking like they might be
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Speaker 1: that good of a team. Same with that Saints game,
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Speaker 1: but that was that was glaring. They literally got blown
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Speaker 1: up of the Saints week one. Then the following week
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Speaker 1: Detroit was beating them at halftime and then fell apart
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Speaker 1: in the second half. So again there's a bunch of
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Speaker 1: little red flags here with the Screen Bay team. And
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Speaker 1: I have no issue back in this Bengals team at
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Speaker 1: home and you know, at halftime and you were down
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Speaker 1: ten to Green Bay, and we just take a service like, goddamnit, Chad,
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Speaker 1: why do we do that to ourselves? But you know what,
16:31
Speaker 1: we're not going to say that. You know, why tell me?
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Speaker 1: Because Joe Burrow's magic and he's gonna come back. Then
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Speaker 1: it's just a pro number. Like I, I just feel
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Speaker 1: like this is a smart bet. This is one of
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Speaker 1: these you make year and year out and you're gonna
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Speaker 1: hit it a hired clip than six percent. So I
16:46
Speaker 1: got no problem making this our big balls. But of
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Speaker 1: the week me neither. I'm excited about it. Here's another one,
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Speaker 1: really interesting Saints Washington football team. We talked about this
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Speaker 1: the other day. Game opened it pick immediately the Saints
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Speaker 1: got bet up. We said we liked the Washington football
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Speaker 1: team of plus one and a half. It is now
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Speaker 1: at two in a lot of places. The lines moved up.
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Speaker 1: We're forty eight hours later. Have we reconsidered our position,
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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of things about the Saints and
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Speaker 1: the Saints defense that makes me think maybe we're spending
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Speaker 1: too much time thinking about Jameis Winston and what he
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Speaker 1: can do to funk up a bet, and not enough
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Speaker 1: about like you said, Sean Payton, like coaches are pretty smart.
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Speaker 1: Sean Payton is not letting Jamis Winston lose the game.
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Speaker 1: He is putting the ball in Taysom Hill's hand inside
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Speaker 1: the red zone. Their defense is scary good. Washington football
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Speaker 1: team's defense is twenty nine in the league and much much, much, much,
17:43
Speaker 1: much much worse than we thought. And Taylor Heiniki, we
17:46
Speaker 1: don't know what he is yet. Is he a rocket
17:48
Speaker 1: ship Kurt Warner, undiscovered gem or is he like Ryan Fitzpatrick?
17:54
Speaker 1: You know, magic moments mixed with crazy turnovers. Now do
17:58
Speaker 1: you think Daiel Jones is a good quarterback at all? Chad?
18:02
Speaker 1: I think he's mediocre. I think he's mediocre, and it
18:04
Speaker 1: has moments, and I would still bet him on the road,
18:08
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't mind putting our five. And we're gonna
18:10
Speaker 1: talk about that, but I know the comparison you're gonna make.
18:12
Speaker 1: Go ahead. No, My My big point is that this
18:14
Speaker 1: Saints team that's supposed to be good, they just gave
18:17
Speaker 1: up the most passing yards last week to the one
18:19
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, So he had I think forred yards passing
18:22
Speaker 1: last week against the Saints defense. Something's going on there.
18:25
Speaker 1: They got issues the fact that they didn't get up
18:28
Speaker 1: at home in that game after the hurricane, like that
18:31
Speaker 1: was her home opener, and they let the Giants come
18:34
Speaker 1: back end up beating them in overtime. Scary, scary, scary
18:37
Speaker 1: with the Saints team. I guess you're right. Maybe I
18:40
Speaker 1: won't be putting too much on this Washington team at
18:42
Speaker 1: two plus two, but I guarantee this is gonna be
18:45
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of teaser to love. This
18:46
Speaker 1: is a great number to tease up. So give me
18:49
Speaker 1: the six points, get it up to eight. This is
18:51
Speaker 1: this is great. I'm happy to take Washington this position,
18:53
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm fine staying away from it. We're way
18:56
Speaker 1: too make questions Washington front four. Um, they just have
18:59
Speaker 1: not gotten home. They have not been the disruptors they
19:01
Speaker 1: were last year. You gotta have major balls Betton uh
19:06
Speaker 1: Ben Winston on the road here after what we saw
19:08
Speaker 1: last week where he got replaced by Taysom Hill. So
19:11
Speaker 1: I'm cool in my position in Washington, but yeah, as
19:14
Speaker 1: our best five. Now, I've moved this out of probably
19:16
Speaker 1: my top ten of bets on making this weekend. I agree,
19:19
Speaker 1: it's not it's it's it's an ugly, ugly game. Yeah, ugly,
19:23
Speaker 1: Like I'm so much more comfortable betting ugly with the
19:26
Speaker 1: Bengals and Joe Burrow than I am betting ugly with
19:30
Speaker 1: Taylor Heineke or Jameis. Winston's fair I'm more comfortable speaking
19:35
Speaker 1: of betting ugly with Daniel Jones at plus seven on
19:41
Speaker 1: the road against the Cowboys in an overinflated line. I'm
19:45
Speaker 1: putting that in our top five. I'm getting like deja
19:47
Speaker 1: vu flashbacks and then losing by ten to Dallas, and
19:50
Speaker 1: I needed Danny Jones to drive the field to give
19:52
Speaker 1: me a field goal and he couldn't do it. Because
19:54
Speaker 1: it's Daniel Jones. He turned back into a pumpkin. But
19:57
Speaker 1: still still betting. It's still taking the seven, had to
20:00
Speaker 1: set six. So it's a good number. Divisional game. We
20:03
Speaker 1: we always take the Giants in the road. This is
20:05
Speaker 1: what we do with them. So yeah, we're inflated in
20:08
Speaker 1: the fact that Dallas has just looked unstoppable the last
20:10
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. So we might be stepping in front
20:13
Speaker 1: of a train here, Chad, But at this number in
20:15
Speaker 1: a divisional matchup, got no issue taking the Giants here. Well,
20:19
Speaker 1: this is one of those spots. Look, we talked about
20:21
Speaker 1: this on Tuesday. You uh, Sunday night Monday morning at
20:26
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to win the Super Bowl. But the Cowboys
20:30
Speaker 1: at some odds to have the best record in the
20:33
Speaker 1: NFL and got the Giants in the same night at
20:36
Speaker 1: seven and a half. Right, Well, there you go, and
20:38
Speaker 1: like this, this is one of those weeks where you
20:41
Speaker 1: start to learn a little bit about who the cowboys are.
20:46
Speaker 1: You learn a little bit more about what models and
20:49
Speaker 1: numbers mean in the long haul and in the long haul.
20:52
Speaker 1: If you're doing this, then you gotta bet this number.
20:55
Speaker 1: You can't just base it on what you think the
20:57
Speaker 1: situation is this week. This is how these games play out.
21:01
Speaker 1: Divisional games, the Giants on the road the past couple
21:04
Speaker 1: of years long, bigger numbers than normal. Everything says bet
21:09
Speaker 1: the Giants plus seven. We're gonna do it. We said
21:12
Speaker 1: it to sign and says bet stick with it. All right,
21:15
Speaker 1: let's talk about this Brown's Chargers game, because when we
21:19
Speaker 1: talked about it on Tuesday, I said to you, we're
21:22
Speaker 1: betting the Chargers. You said, the bookmakers are telling us something.
21:25
Speaker 1: If everyone is looking at this with an eye test
21:27
Speaker 1: of the Chargers of the right side of the bookmakers
21:29
Speaker 1: are telling you something. And now you're getting feedback from
21:34
Speaker 1: your buddies that we're idiots. Meanwhile, I've been doing more
21:37
Speaker 1: research and feeling more and more comfortable with the Browns.
21:40
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. I was. I love the Browns in this
21:43
Speaker 1: position just because I love their defense and I just
21:46
Speaker 1: love the way they've been playing and how this game
21:48
Speaker 1: was gonna set up. But I can't do with the
21:50
Speaker 1: Baker injury, because again, I the reason I like the
21:53
Speaker 1: brown so much wasn't because of Baker, was because of
21:54
Speaker 1: their running style and how it's going to perform against
21:56
Speaker 1: this Chargers defense. You've literally tied the team with an
21:59
Speaker 1: arm behind their back. So all we need to do
22:02
Speaker 1: for the Chargers just stacked the box and try to
22:04
Speaker 1: make Baker with one arm pass against us, which again
22:07
Speaker 1: it's just throwing arm that got injured, I believe. So
22:10
Speaker 1: I'm with you, chat like that's the thing. Like the
22:12
Speaker 1: pros that reached out to me, they love this number
22:15
Speaker 1: and they're saying we should take this up to three.
22:17
Speaker 1: That's my job, Like, it's my job isn't to just
22:19
Speaker 1: be so into my own system. I don't listen anyone else.
22:21
Speaker 1: It's the when I get this information and pass it
22:23
Speaker 1: along and said, you know what, I was missing something here.
22:26
Speaker 1: Sure enough, it came out today that Baker had the injury.
22:28
Speaker 1: So that's the thing. I don't have the resources a
22:31
Speaker 1: lot of these old time guys have When they're reaching
22:33
Speaker 1: out to me, they're giving me information. I need to
22:34
Speaker 1: really listen to it because Ibs they're hitting it from,
22:36
Speaker 1: you know, good information themselves. So I don't like doing it,
22:40
Speaker 1: but I'm with you. This is like now becoming one
22:42
Speaker 1: of my favorite players. If we haven't banged up Baker
22:45
Speaker 1: Mayfield going against arguably a top three defense and the Chargers.
22:49
Speaker 1: We have to take the charges here, don't we. Well,
22:52
Speaker 1: the problem is even if the Chargers stacked the box,
22:56
Speaker 1: their run defense is terrible. That's the that is the
23:01
Speaker 1: one thing we know the Browns will be able to do.
23:04
Speaker 1: So I love them. You love them because you're saying
23:07
Speaker 1: the Browns will be one dimensional and the Chargers have
23:10
Speaker 1: a chance to only focus on doing that. Love the
23:12
Speaker 1: Browns coming in just because of that run game, the
23:14
Speaker 1: fact that that that's all that Daily needs to prep
23:16
Speaker 1: for now against this team, that's just again it ships
23:19
Speaker 1: it back to the Chargers where this is just a
23:21
Speaker 1: big advantage, especially now they know that Baker's hurt, like
23:24
Speaker 1: that's out in public information now. It's it's just a
23:27
Speaker 1: bad it's just a bad set up for this Browns team.
23:30
Speaker 1: So are we saying we want to put the Chargers
23:31
Speaker 1: in Yeah? Wow, Oh my goodness, all right, I love that.
23:37
Speaker 1: We are making a wise guy play here. We are
23:39
Speaker 1: making the wise guy play because this is what the
23:41
Speaker 1: guides in Vegas are telling us to do. I can't
23:43
Speaker 1: believe it. Those are the games that we all that
23:45
Speaker 1: that we talked about the most Dolphins, Texans, Giants, Chargers, Bengals,
23:53
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals game roaring back right now, there are
24:00
Speaker 1: five am I am I misinterpreting anything. I like that far.
24:04
Speaker 1: Five Bills Chiefs. You said you like the Chiefs of
24:07
Speaker 1: two and a half. We like the Bills at three
24:08
Speaker 1: and a half. If it's on three, then there's no
24:10
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24:20
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24:23
Speaker 1: loves the fucking Bills on the spot set. The Bills
24:25
Speaker 1: have looked better, they've played better, they have the better offense.
24:31
Speaker 1: The Bills. Make something your hand on, something's out, throw
24:36
Speaker 1: your hand back the Bills. I'm making it happen. Man,
24:41
Speaker 1: that you can attest to it. Josh Allen just has
24:43
Speaker 1: not looked right yet this year. Again, their team has
24:46
Speaker 1: been winning, but he's had little hiccups, like again that
24:49
Speaker 1: game they started against Houston, his first pass was interception.
24:51
Speaker 1: You just had little things like that where I love
24:54
Speaker 1: Josh and I love this Bills team. I think they
24:56
Speaker 1: are much better this year. I thought they were gonna
24:58
Speaker 1: because I thought he would have a major Russian and
25:00
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, but that team has just built so smart
25:03
Speaker 1: with so many weapons that they're gonna be fine this year.
25:06
Speaker 1: This is just a bad position for them to be in.
25:08
Speaker 1: I flip flop every day because, like we just talked about,
25:11
Speaker 1: if this is three and a half, I would like
25:12
Speaker 1: the Bills because I think this is that close to
25:14
Speaker 1: the matchup. But if you're gonna give it me and
25:16
Speaker 1: under a field goal on this Chiefs team at home homes,
25:19
Speaker 1: I take that every time, just because I believe that
25:20
Speaker 1: much of my home. So I get what they're thinking.
25:23
Speaker 1: They're stucky, but I don't have the cojones to make
25:26
Speaker 1: this kind of bet Like this is one of my
25:28
Speaker 1: smaller bets of the week, bet in the Chiefs because
25:30
Speaker 1: there just isn't that much value in my opinion on
25:32
Speaker 1: this game, I think your cahones are plenty. Big Buddy, Well,
25:36
Speaker 1: he's the only person I knew that would would took
25:38
Speaker 1: the Patriots money line last week. So Stucky's a legend
25:41
Speaker 1: his own right. The Survivor pool pick of the week.
25:51
Speaker 1: Let's talk about a survivor Oh fucking hate it. Like
25:57
Speaker 1: there's a couple of teams we could choose, but when
25:59
Speaker 1: else where we use the Vike teams, this is the
26:00
Speaker 1: only time they get a home game against Detroit, the
26:03
Speaker 1: worst team in their division. I hate it. Chat By
26:06
Speaker 1: the way, this is the team everybody's gonna choose, so
26:09
Speaker 1: everyone is. That's why I hated so much. And like
26:12
Speaker 1: we lost last year on the Vikings in this exact spot,
26:14
Speaker 1: playing the third string quarterback and the Cowboys, and they
26:17
Speaker 1: lost at home, but we have to. It's the fact
26:21
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26:24
Speaker 1: only against seven points at home the only reason I
26:27
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26:30
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26:32
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26:35
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26:38
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28:40
Speaker 1: in there all right? Buddy? Texans Dolphins Bengals. Yep, I
28:46
Speaker 1: got no is you putting the Bengals in there. We're
28:48
Speaker 1: just looking for literally just a shock the world and
28:51
Speaker 1: things that don't make sense but will after the fact,
28:55
Speaker 1: like the Jets and the Giants last week exactly that
28:58
Speaker 1: did not make sense to beat at the time, but
29:00
Speaker 1: afterwards people going, you know what, actually, now looking at
29:02
Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense. Forty niners. We got a
29:04
Speaker 1: Cardinals team hyped up to the you know, the highest
29:07
Speaker 1: of highs. Cardinals, Ei're gonna blow this team out in
29:10
Speaker 1: the forty nine or fours, are gonna win this game,
29:12
Speaker 1: So let me fade the hype train. Love love love
29:16
Speaker 1: divisional matchups like this. We got a rookie quarterback plane
29:19
Speaker 1: in trade Lands, so the Cardinals, I really aren't gonna
29:21
Speaker 1: to defend this guy, prepare for him. Give it to me.
29:23
Speaker 1: That's a big number plus one ninety on the money
29:25
Speaker 1: line right now, so that could be our fourth leg
29:28
Speaker 1: and then I'm sorry to do it. I'm sorry to
29:30
Speaker 1: do it to people, but we have to do it
29:32
Speaker 1: because it's it's a home dog value. Give me the
29:34
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars money line. They haven't one. I think they're
29:38
Speaker 1: going on nineteen or twenty weeks, I will keep losing
29:41
Speaker 1: money bending their home money line. But this is this
29:44
Speaker 1: is what I have to do. Tennessee, I believe have
29:46
Speaker 1: twenty one players on the injury list right now. There's
29:49
Speaker 1: only twenty two starters on the team twenty one injuries,
29:52
Speaker 1: so a lot of this round robin is fading teams
29:55
Speaker 1: with injuries right now. So Tennessee Titians is really a
29:58
Speaker 1: heavily injury team or fading them. Patriots injured team were
30:01
Speaker 1: fading them, and the Buccaneers are very heavily injured team,
30:03
Speaker 1: were fading them. So we're just trying to find value
30:05
Speaker 1: in the teams playing a lot of these backups that
30:07
Speaker 1: key positions. So I get it a lot of drama
30:10
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, but this is one of these games where
30:13
Speaker 1: the team could come together if they like Urban a win,
30:15
Speaker 1: and if they keeps staying this low at four, it
30:18
Speaker 1: kind of feels like Vegas Town is something here. So
30:20
Speaker 1: I got new issue throwing this end our fifth fifth
30:23
Speaker 1: play in our round robin. Big balls better the week
30:26
Speaker 1: Bengals plus three from earlier this week on Tuesday, the
30:29
Speaker 1: Sun says bet was the Giants plus seven. Our fox
30:32
Speaker 1: sold bet was Miami plus ten against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
30:36
Speaker 1: The five that we're thinking about right now, but again
30:38
Speaker 1: we will update on Sunday. Look in the Action Network
30:40
Speaker 1: cap Dolphins, Texans, Bengals, Giants, Chargers. The money line round
30:45
Speaker 1: Robin Parlay will include Dolphins, Jags, Texans, Bengals, Niners. Wow,
30:52
Speaker 1: we ask so much of people to do really gross,
30:55
Speaker 1: disgusting things, but look, it pays off. Right Week one,
30:59
Speaker 1: we had a couple of money line round Robin Parlay's. Yeah,
31:03
Speaker 1: last week. Last week we had the Jets and the
31:05
Speaker 1: Giants in a money line. Probably had Seattle in there too,
31:08
Speaker 1: Like sometimes it works, Yeah, it hits ugly dogs win.
31:11
Speaker 1: So it's looking crazy right now, but it just feels
31:14
Speaker 1: like we're up for another wonky week where there's just
31:17
Speaker 1: a lot of big, big dogs that shouldn't be these
31:19
Speaker 1: bigger dogs. All right, listen, stick around because Seth Wickersham
31:22
Speaker 1: Simon and I have a great conversation about his book
31:25
Speaker 1: is Better to Be Feared? Enjoy all Right, I've been
31:30
Speaker 1: talking about this book, It's Better to Be Feared for months.
31:34
Speaker 1: We've mentioned on the podcast several times. We talked about
31:36
Speaker 1: it on Tuesday, Finally, we have the author, Seth Wickersham,
31:41
Speaker 1: long time senior writer at ESPN. You've seen him all
31:44
Speaker 1: over the airwaves promoting It's Better to Be Feared, his
31:49
Speaker 1: genius opus on the New England Patriots Dynasty. Uh. He's
31:55
Speaker 1: a very close friend, one of my closest friends. I'll
31:58
Speaker 1: say that off the top, um STI, without a doubt,
32:06
Speaker 1: one of the best sports books ever written. You can't
32:08
Speaker 1: even you can't even deny it, like you got so
32:11
Speaker 1: inside one of the most difficult subjects to get inside,
32:13
Speaker 1: which is a mysterious secretive team in a mysterious secretive
32:17
Speaker 1: league that is run by mysterious secretive people who don't
32:21
Speaker 1: want anyone snooping around their business. And you fucking nailed it.
32:25
Speaker 1: So nice job. The past ten days, it's been the
32:29
Speaker 1: only thing people in the sports world they're talking about. Um.
32:33
Speaker 1: And I'll say this, I feel like with all the
32:37
Speaker 1: news that's going on with the book and everyone's been
32:39
Speaker 1: talking about it, especially in the lead up to the
32:41
Speaker 1: Patriots Bocks game, about the Brady Belichick relationship and uh,
32:46
Speaker 1: sort of those moments that are very inside about their
32:49
Speaker 1: breakup or how they felt about each other. It's kind
32:52
Speaker 1: of missing the point because to me, like this is
32:54
Speaker 1: as intimate a portrait of three people in Belichick, Brady
32:58
Speaker 1: and Craft that have been keeping their lives very, very
33:01
Speaker 1: secret for a very long time. I feel like people
33:04
Speaker 1: are talking about that enough. Do you feel the same way.
33:07
Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's intimacy here that is being
33:10
Speaker 1: overlooked and because of the sort of sensational aspects of
33:13
Speaker 1: the reporting. I think it's thanks man. First of all,
33:17
Speaker 1: I think it's both. I think that look number one,
33:20
Speaker 1: when you have you know, dialogue in there that includes
33:24
Speaker 1: swear words, you know, from those people maybe sometimes even
33:28
Speaker 1: about each other in moments in moments of you know,
33:31
Speaker 1: exhaustion and and and out of patience. Um, you know,
33:35
Speaker 1: I think that that stuff. Obviously people gravitated, gravitate too,
33:38
Speaker 1: but I think it actually speaks to the themes you
33:41
Speaker 1: were talking about. And let's pick one of them for instance. Um,
33:46
Speaker 1: a quote they got a lot of attention was from
33:48
Speaker 1: Robert Craft. It was in the fall of he was
33:51
Speaker 1: at a business conference, one of these kind of rich
33:53
Speaker 1: guys business conferences and Aspen and he's in the hotel
33:56
Speaker 1: lobby and you know, he says paraphrasing here says know,
34:00
Speaker 1: you come here and you meet the most brilliant minds.
34:02
Speaker 1: I really hate to leave this place because you know,
34:04
Speaker 1: I have to go to Detroit and be with the
34:06
Speaker 1: biggest effing a hole in my life, my head coach.
34:10
Speaker 1: And you know, that got a lot of attention. But
34:13
Speaker 1: when you look at it within the context of Robert Kraft,
34:17
Speaker 1: who for the most part, masterfully kept the band together
34:22
Speaker 1: for twenty years despite all of the polls of ego
34:25
Speaker 1: and fame and entitlement that might come with winning as
34:29
Speaker 1: much as they did, you know, it's probably the thing
34:32
Speaker 1: that's going to get him into the Hall of Fame.
34:33
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean that it didn't come without managerial
34:36
Speaker 1: challenges at times. And I think that was one of
34:39
Speaker 1: those times where he was just feeling a little tired
34:41
Speaker 1: about it all. I have so many favorite parts of
34:44
Speaker 1: the book. I want to hear from you. What was
34:47
Speaker 1: your favorite part of the book to report? My favorite
34:51
Speaker 1: part of the book generally is so it's divided into
34:53
Speaker 1: three parts. Part one is kind of the joy of
34:56
Speaker 1: the rise. It's the first three Super Bowls and you know,
35:00
Speaker 1: kind of plateau ing in that two thousand sixth season,
35:04
Speaker 1: you know, ending around there where um, you know the
35:08
Speaker 1: Patriots a lot of ways, we're just we're a version
35:10
Speaker 1: of America's team. I mean, there really wasn't the the
35:13
Speaker 1: hatred that you sort of see right now for that team.
35:17
Speaker 1: So that's part one. Part two is the ten year
35:20
Speaker 1: gap that they didn't win a Super Bowl, and Part
35:23
Speaker 1: three is the reclamation of the dynasty and how it
35:27
Speaker 1: kind of ended up dissipating in My favorite part of
35:31
Speaker 1: the book, generally speaking as part two, because and that
35:34
Speaker 1: goes from two thousand seven to midway through the third
35:36
Speaker 1: quarter of January of two thousand fifteen, because you had
35:40
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Bill Belichick who had already established Hall
35:43
Speaker 1: of Fame careers at that point, but they weren't quite
35:46
Speaker 1: able to accomplish their goal. They had plateaued at the
35:50
Speaker 1: highest possible level you can without plateauing as super Bowl champions.
35:55
Speaker 1: And how they decided and the ways that they chose
35:58
Speaker 1: to try to get better and to dig a little
36:00
Speaker 1: bit deeper and to be a little bit more imaginative
36:04
Speaker 1: and creative and think outside the box about how they
36:06
Speaker 1: could get back to that status that they had attained.
36:09
Speaker 1: To me, is the most interesting part of things because
36:11
Speaker 1: you just don't see that that often in professional sports.
36:13
Speaker 1: I think that that drive that they showed during that
36:16
Speaker 1: time and the fact that it ended up working is
36:19
Speaker 1: about as rare as their six championships together. What specifically
36:24
Speaker 1: did they do in that time that helped them transform? Well?
36:29
Speaker 1: With Tom Brady, it's it's now a business, but it's
36:32
Speaker 1: essentially when he founded his program, his TV twelve method. UM.
36:37
Speaker 1: I write about in the book being in his apartment
36:40
Speaker 1: and we were sitting in his living room, living room
36:42
Speaker 1: talking in March of and um, this guy walks into
36:47
Speaker 1: the living room. He had this elevator that just opened
36:50
Speaker 1: right into his house, his apartment in in in downtown Boston,
36:54
Speaker 1: and this guy just enters the living room behind me
36:57
Speaker 1: and I look around and um, Brady's Alejandro. And they
37:03
Speaker 1: get up and they hug and they make small talk.
37:05
Speaker 1: And you know, I had seen Alex Guerrero around Tom
37:08
Speaker 1: Brady a little bit, but I never talked to him
37:09
Speaker 1: about it. So I was like, well, what's his role?
37:12
Speaker 1: And I remember, and I wrote about it. Brady was like,
37:15
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's really hard to describe what he does,
37:18
Speaker 1: and in fact, it wasn't. Um. You know, Brady at
37:23
Speaker 1: that time was making clear that he wanted to play
37:24
Speaker 1: into his forties, and Alex Guerrero's job, more than anything
37:27
Speaker 1: was to make it happen. He was the one who
37:30
Speaker 1: to never say no to Tom Brady, to never say
37:32
Speaker 1: you can't do this, And so they obviously developed their
37:35
Speaker 1: own methodology that by the way, it was also at
37:37
Speaker 1: odds with the Patriot way, the Belichick way, and then
37:41
Speaker 1: with Belichick, I think that one of my one of
37:45
Speaker 1: my favorite moments that I kind of got into was
37:48
Speaker 1: midway through the third quarter of divisional round. They're hosting
37:51
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. They're down by fourteen points against the
37:55
Speaker 1: team that's just not afraid of them, and it looks
37:58
Speaker 1: like they're gonna lose, and you know it's gonna get
38:01
Speaker 1: them bounced once again in the first round of the playoffs.
38:04
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo had just finished his rookie year. You wonder if, like,
38:07
Speaker 1: if they had been bounced again, you know, what would
38:09
Speaker 1: that of dynamic look like with Tom Brady had been back.
38:12
Speaker 1: Who knows and Belichick dust off the play the funky
38:17
Speaker 1: formations and the play called Baltimore and Ravens. There's two
38:19
Speaker 1: different versions of it, and um he the The original
38:25
Speaker 1: name of that play was called fight Song, and it
38:26
Speaker 1: was originated by Lane Kiffin, and he called it fight
38:29
Speaker 1: Song because he said, when we run it, we're going
38:30
Speaker 1: to score. And they lifted it. Nick's uh. Lane Kiffin
38:35
Speaker 1: brought it with him to Alabama. Alabama ran it, the
38:39
Speaker 1: Patriots lifted it and kind of changed it a little bit.
38:42
Speaker 1: So they deployed this these two plays midway through the
38:45
Speaker 1: third quarter, and it not only worked in the sense
38:48
Speaker 1: that it got them back in the game re energized
38:51
Speaker 1: the crowd. But one of the themes that I write
38:53
Speaker 1: about in the book is how Belichick gets inside the
38:56
Speaker 1: heads of the best coaches in the league and often
38:58
Speaker 1: finds ways to use their traits and personalities and confidence
39:03
Speaker 1: against them. He knew that John Harbaugh, great coach of
39:06
Speaker 1: the Ravens, but someone who's kind of known for having
39:08
Speaker 1: a quick fuse, would lose his s h I T
39:13
Speaker 1: over this play, especially when they ran a no huddle,
39:16
Speaker 1: because the Ravens wouldn't have a ton of time to adjust.
39:20
Speaker 1: And sure enough, John Harbaugh had a meltdown and got
39:22
Speaker 1: into sports and my conduct penalty in the third quarter
39:24
Speaker 1: of that game. So when a matter of minutes Belichick
39:27
Speaker 1: had had closed. Belichick and Brady really and Josh McDaniels
39:32
Speaker 1: had closed. The fourteen point score re energized the crowd,
39:35
Speaker 1: sent the opposing head coach into a tailspin, and they
39:38
Speaker 1: end up winning that game, which kind of ends up
39:40
Speaker 1: reigniting the dynasty. John Harboh is a living about this one.
39:45
Speaker 1: They would now Sales were player, then Tom would take
39:47
Speaker 1: him to the line right way and snapped the ball
39:48
Speaker 1: before we had a chance to even figure out who
39:50
Speaker 1: was lined up where. And that was a deception part
39:52
Speaker 1: of it, and was clearly deception. I don't know it's
39:54
Speaker 1: deceiving about that. Hey, those guys got to study the
39:57
Speaker 1: rule book and you know, figure it out. We obviously
40:01
Speaker 1: knew what we were doing. Okay. So there's two things
40:03
Speaker 1: in there. One you talk about Brady and the chapter
40:07
Speaker 1: about Guerrero in two thousand thirteen. To me, Brady for
40:14
Speaker 1: many many years comes across in this book as so
40:18
Speaker 1: self aware. And there's a couple of scenes very early.
40:22
Speaker 1: It's when he is willing to meet with the sports
40:27
Speaker 1: psychologists at Michigan. It's when he's living with his buddies
40:31
Speaker 1: as a backup quarterback in a condo near Foxborough. It's
40:35
Speaker 1: when he signs that new deal and is playing air
40:40
Speaker 1: guitar with Nugent, the offensive lineman, and like recognizing he's
40:46
Speaker 1: a multi millionaire and screaming it out loud. It's so
40:50
Speaker 1: like joyful and innocent. And you talk about that and
40:52
Speaker 1: like telling his parents after the Super Bowl, everything's going
40:55
Speaker 1: to change. I'm going to change, You're going to change.
41:01
Speaker 1: And in two thirteen to me feels like when he
41:03
Speaker 1: completely loses that self awareness. What happened. I think his
41:09
Speaker 1: fame exploded to a level that and has continued to
41:12
Speaker 1: explode to a level that warps the mind so much
41:16
Speaker 1: that you know, he's almost become a version of that
41:20
Speaker 1: global elite for whom human longevity is human destiny. Um.
41:26
Speaker 1: You know, I think that when you reach a certain
41:27
Speaker 1: level of fame. I'm not saying that he's disconnected from
41:32
Speaker 1: who he used to be, but you're kind of disconnected
41:35
Speaker 1: from the realities of a lot of a lot of people,
41:39
Speaker 1: no matter how hard you try to retain that. And yeah,
41:42
Speaker 1: you know, it's one of the kind of character arcs
41:43
Speaker 1: that I tried to show with him. Um. And and
41:47
Speaker 1: you know, he talks a lot about his mental toughness
41:49
Speaker 1: and how he acquired this mental toughness. He's very proud
41:52
Speaker 1: of that, and so I wanted to try to figure out,
41:54
Speaker 1: like how he did this. When you're trying to talk
41:56
Speaker 1: about Tom Brady's greatness, you're asking like, well, how did
41:58
Speaker 1: he get mentally tough? And it goes back to one
42:03
Speaker 1: night he had in Michigan. He was buried on the
42:05
Speaker 1: depth chart and he tells Lloyd Carr that he's going
42:08
Speaker 1: to transfer to Cal where he can, you know, basically
42:10
Speaker 1: play almost a right away as soon as he's eligible.
42:14
Speaker 1: And that night he meets with Greg Harden, his sports psychologist,
42:17
Speaker 1: and he says, yeah, I'm gonna go to Cal. I'm
42:18
Speaker 1: not seeing the field here. I mean I ever play.
42:21
Speaker 1: And you think about all the ways that a sports
42:24
Speaker 1: psychologist could react. He could um give him a hug,
42:29
Speaker 1: he could reply with tough love. And Brady at the
42:32
Speaker 1: time was a self described winer. And Greg Harden starts
42:37
Speaker 1: laughing at him in the office and he starts laughing
42:41
Speaker 1: and he says, if you leave, no one's gonna care anyway,
42:44
Speaker 1: because you haven't done anything here. You want to leave,
42:47
Speaker 1: go ahead, And that really kind of reignited Brady's competitive
42:52
Speaker 1: spirit and his his dad later told me, once he
42:56
Speaker 1: decided to stay at Michigan, he had to kind of
42:58
Speaker 1: own that decision and lose some of those, you know,
43:03
Speaker 1: traits that he came in and and become more mature.
43:06
Speaker 1: And I love that you just talked on that where
43:08
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite things about Brady. He might
43:11
Speaker 1: have been disconnected at that point chat from what he
43:13
Speaker 1: used to be, but that competitive edge, that killer instinct,
43:16
Speaker 1: like the thing that we talked about. You just he's
43:19
Speaker 1: not the month athletic. He's not the smartest quarterback ever
43:22
Speaker 1: to play. He outworked everyone that's ever played the game.
43:25
Speaker 1: I mean, we still hear stories about this guy. Again,
43:29
Speaker 1: he's forty forty four at this point or forty five,
43:32
Speaker 1: and he's still in the off season reaching out to
43:35
Speaker 1: receivers throwing patterns. My biggest takeaway from your book this
43:39
Speaker 1: seems like a man that is not just so obsessive,
43:44
Speaker 1: but just a man that literally his life. Again, he
43:46
Speaker 1: has a wife, he has kids, he loves them, he
43:48
Speaker 1: spends time with them. It's football. Like this man. Literally
43:52
Speaker 1: he's watching film at the dinner table in his twenty
43:55
Speaker 1: first season. Like this guy, I feel like we're never
43:57
Speaker 1: gonna see another player like him, where like he put
44:00
Speaker 1: his whole life into it. Again, we talked about his
44:02
Speaker 1: regiment with Alex Carrera, the man won't eat the wrong
44:06
Speaker 1: calorie in the last ten years because he is just
44:09
Speaker 1: down to the wire about everything he does. Has there
44:11
Speaker 1: ever been a player that you've studied and been around
44:14
Speaker 1: that has these kind of qualities? Are he truly one
44:16
Speaker 1: of the kind? Oh? It's both. I mean, I think
44:18
Speaker 1: that's one of the most interesting things about Brady is
44:20
Speaker 1: for as like global and worldly as he is, he's
44:24
Speaker 1: not exactly the most well rounded person. He he has
44:27
Speaker 1: no hobbies and as he said, he has this little
44:30
Speaker 1: sickness inside him that makes him want to throw a spiral.
44:33
Speaker 1: And I remember, um, when Chad and I worked together
44:36
Speaker 1: at ESPN in two thousand and thirteen, I believe um,
44:40
Speaker 1: we published you know, one of the greatest stories of
44:42
Speaker 1: all time by Right Thompson on Michael Jordan's and it
44:45
Speaker 1: was in time for his fiftieth birthday, and the entire
44:47
Speaker 1: story it was a fascinating read, just because it was
44:51
Speaker 1: such a raw look at what it's like to be
44:54
Speaker 1: around Jordan on a day to day basis when this
44:57
Speaker 1: thing that you have, this this intense competiti stiveness that's
45:00
Speaker 1: both kind of enriched and subtracted from your lives, refuses
45:03
Speaker 1: to go out. But he also had a line in
45:06
Speaker 1: there where Jordan's said, you know, I would give everything
45:09
Speaker 1: away to go back and be able to play the
45:10
Speaker 1: game of basketball. I think that when Brady's fifty years old,
45:15
Speaker 1: assuming he's retired by then, whether he admits it or not,
45:18
Speaker 1: I think that he'll probably have those thoughts you mentioned, Simon.
45:23
Speaker 1: I'm glad you bring that up because you mentioned Giselle
45:26
Speaker 1: and having a family. She's one of my favorite characters
45:29
Speaker 1: in the book because she is so fiery and passionate
45:35
Speaker 1: and protective and it's not sort of the stuff that
45:39
Speaker 1: is well reported about when she goes off on Wes
45:42
Speaker 1: Welker in the Super Bowl against that second Super Bowl
45:46
Speaker 1: against the Giants and he should have caught that pass
45:47
Speaker 1: or whatever it's when she meets the Michigan sports psychologists,
45:54
Speaker 1: like the warmth that she has for him explains sort
45:58
Speaker 1: of that scene, because it's really to me that that
46:01
Speaker 1: defines the book, Like that's the intimacy that is at
46:03
Speaker 1: the core of this book, is how she reacts to
46:05
Speaker 1: this person who was so important to her husband. Yeah,
46:09
Speaker 1: Brady and his wife were in ann Arbor and there
46:12
Speaker 1: was an anniversary event for the Michigan National Championship team,
46:17
Speaker 1: of which Brady of course was a backup on, and
46:22
Speaker 1: they were at a steakhouse, and um, it was interesting
46:26
Speaker 1: because obviously Brady is a backup on that team Charles
46:29
Speaker 1: Woodson and Brian Greasy where the where the superstars? And
46:33
Speaker 1: and even in two thousand seven, at this dinner, Brady's
46:36
Speaker 1: fame and success is many magnitudes greater than anybody else
46:40
Speaker 1: who was on that team. And he's sitting at a
46:43
Speaker 1: table with Giselle and Greg Harden comes over and they
46:48
Speaker 1: make eye contact and she goes, oh, I know who
46:51
Speaker 1: you are because he had told her about him. And frankly,
46:55
Speaker 1: you know Tom still talks to Greg Harden, and Greg
46:58
Speaker 1: Harden still does you know what he does? Um. In
47:02
Speaker 1: two thirteen, for instance, you know, Brady had won one
47:06
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and his entire life had changed, and it
47:09
Speaker 1: you know, fame had come to him the way that
47:10
Speaker 1: it always does at warp speed, with no time to
47:13
Speaker 1: adjust or think about it or strategize. You're just kind
47:16
Speaker 1: of a kite in the wind, and he was struggling
47:18
Speaker 1: to adjust to it, and you know, he was giving
47:20
Speaker 1: into some of those whiney impulses that of course Chad
47:23
Speaker 1: when he managed me saw me sometimes um. And he's
47:27
Speaker 1: complaining to Greg Harden about all these things he can't do.
47:29
Speaker 1: He can't go to the cast station, he can't do this.
47:32
Speaker 1: People are following him home, or he thinks people are
47:34
Speaker 1: following him home, so he has to drive long ways anyway.
47:37
Speaker 1: And Greg Harden again starts laughing at him, and he says,
47:41
Speaker 1: you know, you want to be the best in the
47:43
Speaker 1: world of what you do, but you want you don't
47:45
Speaker 1: want all this stuff that comes with it. And he
47:48
Speaker 1: was like, right now, you can pick up a phone
47:51
Speaker 1: and change a kid's life in five minutes. You're the
47:53
Speaker 1: hot cookie right now, and you're not going to be
47:55
Speaker 1: the hot cookie forever, so you should take advantage of
47:57
Speaker 1: this wall you've got it. Of course, it turns out
48:00
Speaker 1: Brady has been like the hottest cookie ever and he's
48:02
Speaker 1: still the hot cookie twenty years later, and he'll never
48:05
Speaker 1: stop being a hot cookie cookie you mentioned earlier, sort
48:09
Speaker 1: of the Robert Kraft moment where he, you know, says,
48:13
Speaker 1: I gotta go deal with this fucking asshole. And part
48:15
Speaker 1: of the reason it feels sensation was because he's swearing. Right.
48:20
Speaker 1: There is a chapter of this book that is just
48:22
Speaker 1: called That's a lot of fun. Use. I think the
48:24
Speaker 1: secondary through line of this book is, and that you've
48:28
Speaker 1: done this incredibly well for the past six seven years,
48:31
Speaker 1: is reporting on the power dynamic of the NFL. Like
48:35
Speaker 1: You've turned NFL ownership, NFL management, NFL senior levels at
48:40
Speaker 1: the at the league level into a beat and I've
48:43
Speaker 1: gotten all this behind the scenes stuff and some of
48:46
Speaker 1: these things are to me as fascinating and interesting and
48:50
Speaker 1: then pulled back the curtain on the league as anything
48:53
Speaker 1: about the Brady Craft Belichick dynamic. When you're reporting that stuff,
49:00
Speaker 1: how much fun is it to get it and know
49:03
Speaker 1: that you have it. It's a ton of fun. The
49:05
Speaker 1: NFL is the game that fans in America care about
49:08
Speaker 1: the most and they know about the least, and so
49:11
Speaker 1: anytime you can sort of show how these meetings go,
49:15
Speaker 1: it's awesome. I mean, I've been doing it for years,
49:18
Speaker 1: especially with my co author Don Vanada. Um. You know,
49:21
Speaker 1: we did it a lot during the anthem protests in
49:24
Speaker 1: seventeen with the print with President Trump, and you know,
49:26
Speaker 1: that stuff is just cool and I really enjoyed. And
49:29
Speaker 1: there's actually a really interesting Craft moment that that chapter
49:32
Speaker 1: you alluded to was during the collective bargaining agreement negotiations
49:36
Speaker 1: where there was the lockout and Myra Kraft was on
49:39
Speaker 1: her deathbed and Robert Craft was leaving Myra to go
49:42
Speaker 1: try to negotiate, and she died, and some of the
49:45
Speaker 1: owners at her funeral. We're coming up to the union chief,
49:49
Speaker 1: to Morris Smith and trying to negotiate the deal with
49:52
Speaker 1: him at a funeral, and then later they're all in
49:55
Speaker 1: a room together. The negotiations are down to offseason workout time.
49:59
Speaker 1: As we all know, that's been reduced with almost all
50:01
Speaker 1: of these collective part agreements, and so the union wanted
50:04
Speaker 1: to reduce it drastically the offseason practice workload. And John Mara,
50:08
Speaker 1: the owner of the Giants, protest this and he's like, well,
50:12
Speaker 1: that the coaches and the gm are gonna be piste
50:14
Speaker 1: off about this, and Kraft kind of looks at him
50:16
Speaker 1: and he's just like, I'm paraphrasing here. I don't care
50:19
Speaker 1: if they're upset. We're not gonna kill a deal this Well,
50:22
Speaker 1: because some head coaches and gms are upset about offseason practices,
50:25
Speaker 1: and it was kind of a watershed moment because the
50:27
Speaker 1: players realized that Robert Kraft was truly trying to broke
50:30
Speaker 1: her a deal and took their side on a key issue.
50:34
Speaker 1: It's amazing. The whole book is amazing. I wanted to
50:37
Speaker 1: do really well, Steph. I would love to get your
50:40
Speaker 1: view on the most recent game. Me and Chad talk
50:42
Speaker 1: yesterday about the Patriots Buccaneers game. There's fifty seven seconds uft.
50:46
Speaker 1: I believe the Tampa bay a two time outs, it's
50:48
Speaker 1: fourth and three, He's about to kick a fifty six
50:51
Speaker 1: yard field goal. Do you believe Belichick fell on his sword?
50:54
Speaker 1: That normal Belichick situations, he goes for that. But because
50:57
Speaker 1: of the respect for Brady and I kind of like
51:00
Speaker 1: he was setting Brighty up for that moment. He was
51:02
Speaker 1: really gonna give Brady fifty three seconds in that stadium
51:06
Speaker 1: with two time out to go down the field and
51:08
Speaker 1: kick a field goal. I would love to hear because
51:10
Speaker 1: you're so close to it. I would love to see
51:11
Speaker 1: what your view is of was. But what was Belichick's
51:14
Speaker 1: thought process and that final you know, fourth and three moment.
51:17
Speaker 1: What was he really thinking there? Oh, I think he
51:20
Speaker 1: wanted to win the game, and I mean he came
51:21
Speaker 1: six inches from winning it. That's obviously debated decision at
51:24
Speaker 1: the time, I guess I didn't really think about it
51:26
Speaker 1: because I mean the field goal went off the upright,
51:30
Speaker 1: it was so close to me, like how close it
51:32
Speaker 1: was kind of validated his decision. It was literally a tsunami.
51:36
Speaker 1: That's why. That's why I thought it was such a
51:37
Speaker 1: bizarre move by him, because yeah, if it's a nice
51:39
Speaker 1: sunny day kick fifty six yard or it was literally
51:42
Speaker 1: sideways ring that was That's what was so crazy to me.
51:46
Speaker 1: I love the game. I mean, I thought it was
51:47
Speaker 1: just fascinating to watch those two minds battle against each
51:51
Speaker 1: other on a public stage. It was I mean, Belichick,
51:54
Speaker 1: it reminded me a lot of like the old school
51:56
Speaker 1: like two thousand one Patriots, right where you have a
51:58
Speaker 1: pretty good defense, the let's teams move the ball, but
52:02
Speaker 1: you know, gets tough in the red zone and forces
52:04
Speaker 1: a lot of these quarterbacks to settle in a lot
52:06
Speaker 1: of these great teams and offenses to settle for field goals,
52:09
Speaker 1: and then on offense, you just kind of have a
52:11
Speaker 1: ball control offense, right, and you're trying to like figure
52:14
Speaker 1: out the geometry of that and throw a screen pass
52:17
Speaker 1: or a short pass every which way you possibly can.
52:20
Speaker 1: None with the fact that, like mac Jones came out
52:22
Speaker 1: of hit nineteen straight passes at one point, you know,
52:25
Speaker 1: driving rain like that against the defending Super Bowl champions.
52:29
Speaker 1: And it really took all of Tom Brady two, all
52:33
Speaker 1: of his ingenuity to to beat Bill. I mean, they
52:35
Speaker 1: had him a couple of times. And now the first
52:38
Speaker 1: down run, that first out like a little kid that
52:41
Speaker 1: was that really summed up that game to me. It
52:43
Speaker 1: was like, that's how you know how much it meant
52:45
Speaker 1: that both of them. Yeah, his legs ended up kind
52:47
Speaker 1: of winning the game for them. I think the Tampa
52:49
Speaker 1: offensive line played great, but weirdly enough, Brady's forty four
52:52
Speaker 1: year old legs, in his ability to kind of extend
52:55
Speaker 1: plays ended up I think, you know, kind of being
52:57
Speaker 1: the difference. And so I loved it. I loved every
53:00
Speaker 1: it of it. I have one more question before we
53:01
Speaker 1: let you go at one more question. Belichick is so
53:04
Speaker 1: different in this book to me than he is in
53:06
Speaker 1: real life. Right, He's so you know, ogre ish and
53:10
Speaker 1: not wanting to communicate and all that kind of stuff.
53:12
Speaker 1: You've got great detail about what it's like to communicate
53:16
Speaker 1: with him one on one, and how he likes to
53:18
Speaker 1: communicate with reporters or what when he is at his
53:21
Speaker 1: most unguarded. Reveal some of that right now, and how
53:25
Speaker 1: he communicated directly with you. Yeah, one of the times
53:28
Speaker 1: that I one of the things I loved in the
53:30
Speaker 1: book was just trying to learn about what it's like
53:32
Speaker 1: to work for him, right and you know, these days
53:34
Speaker 1: that started four thirty in the morning and go until
53:36
Speaker 1: eleven at night in these meetings where he drives the
53:39
Speaker 1: coach is crazy because you know he's he's asking about
53:43
Speaker 1: decisions over and over and over again, and you know
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Speaker 1: they're kind of running out of patients, but you know,
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Speaker 1: he's just making sure that every that there's not any
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Speaker 1: screws loose, and you know, the media was part of that.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that, you know, I think
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Speaker 1: there was a moment or him, maybe in the years
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Speaker 1: after Spygate, where he was really interested in letting people
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Speaker 1: see the staggering depth of knowledge that he had accumulated
54:07
Speaker 1: throughout his career. And so with myself and others, you know,
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Speaker 1: he'd give windows into that, and he would often, you know,
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Speaker 1: wait until eleven or eleven thirty, until his work day
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Speaker 1: was done before he would talk to people. Or if
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Speaker 1: he was in his office, he would kick his feet
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Speaker 1: up and take his shoes and his socks off. And
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Speaker 1: the coaches would talk about that in meetings. How Like
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Speaker 1: sometimes they were in meetings where he was upset about
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Speaker 1: about games or whatever it happened, and he would kick
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Speaker 1: his feet up on the desk and have untied his
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Speaker 1: shoes and have his socks up there, and they're just
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Speaker 1: going like, oh my god, his feet stink. We're in
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Speaker 1: this stuffy room, we're going through the game, a game
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Speaker 1: that we lost, and he is drilling in and critiquing
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Speaker 1: every bad decision that we made. All the food in
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Speaker 1: the cafeteria is gone. We still haven't done our work
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Speaker 1: for the night, and this thing is, you know, it's
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Speaker 1: it's almost the beginning of it with hours to go
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Speaker 1: and no end in sight. And you know, so anyway,
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Speaker 1: I just I enjoyed kind of like trying to show
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Speaker 1: what it was like to work for him because his
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Speaker 1: football genius. You know, you can't be polite all the time,
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Speaker 1: and you can't be a nice guy all the time
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Speaker 1: to you know, accomplish what he has. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: have to be hard on people, and you have to
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Speaker 1: coach them hard and critique them hard, you know, doing
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Speaker 1: it from a perspective that we're all in it together, because,
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Speaker 1: as he said many times, nobody makes more mistakes than
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Speaker 1: he does. Well, listen, it's a great book. That's a
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Speaker 1: great story. It's revealing how inside the book is to
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Speaker 1: Brady Belichick, Craft, the Dynasty, the Mystery Capital are reporting,
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