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- 0:01Speaker 1: Volume two, chapter fifteen, of the Autobiography of Madame Kuillon.
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- 0:19Speaker 1: visit LibriVox dot org. The Autobiography of Madame Killon by
- 0:26Speaker 1: gene Kion, Volume two, chapter fifteen. Among so great number
- 0:33Speaker 1: of good souls.
- 0:34Speaker 2: On whom our Lord wrote much by me, some were
- 0:39Speaker 2: given me only as plans to cultivate. I knew their state,
- 0:48Speaker 2: but had not that mere connection with them, or authority
- 0:52Speaker 2: over them, which I had over others. It was then
- 0:58Speaker 2: that I comprehended the true maternity, beyond what I had
- 1:03Speaker 2: done before. For those of the latter kind were given
- 1:10Speaker 2: me as children of whom Some were faithful I knew
- 1:17Speaker 2: they would be, so they were closely united to me
- 1:22Speaker 2: in pure charity. Others were unfaithful. I knew that of
- 1:28Speaker 2: this some would never return from their infidelity, and they
- 1:33Speaker 2: were taken from me. Some, after sleeping aside, were recovered.
- 1:40Speaker 2: Both of them cost me much distress and inward pain. When,
- 1:48Speaker 2: for want of courage to die to themselves, they gave
- 1:52Speaker 2: up the point and revolted. From the good beginning, they
- 1:56Speaker 2: had been favored with our Lord among some multitudes as
- 2:03Speaker 2: follow him or earth had few true children. Wherefore he
- 2:09Speaker 2: said to his father, those that thou gavest me I
- 2:15Speaker 2: have kept, and none of them is lost, but the
- 2:20Speaker 2: son of Pertition, showing that he lost not any besides
- 2:26Speaker 2: of his apostles or disciples, though they sometimes made false steps.
- 2:35Speaker 2: Among the friars who came to see me, there was
- 2:39Speaker 2: one order which discovered the good effects of grace more
- 2:44Speaker 2: than any other. Some of that very order had before this,
- 2:50Speaker 2: in a little town where Father la Combe was, in
- 2:53Speaker 2: the exercise of his mission, been actuated with a false
- 2:59Speaker 2: zeal and violent in persecuting all the good souls which
- 3:06Speaker 2: had sincerely dedicated themselves to God, planking them. After such
- 3:12Speaker 2: a manner as can scarce be conceived, they burned all
- 3:18Speaker 2: their books which treated of silence an inward prayer, refusing
- 3:25Speaker 2: absolution to such as were in the practice of it,
- 3:30Speaker 2: driving into consternation and almost into despair, such as had
- 3:39Speaker 2: formerly led wicked lives, but were now reformed and preserved
- 3:45Speaker 2: in grace by means of prayer, becoming spotless and plameless
- 3:52Speaker 2: in their conduct. These friars had proceeded to such an
- 3:58Speaker 2: excess of one zeal as to raise a sedition in
- 4:03Speaker 2: that town, in which a father of the oratory, a
- 4:08Speaker 2: person of distinction and merit, received strokes with a stick
- 4:13Speaker 2: in the open street, because he prayed extempoary in the evenings,
- 4:21Speaker 2: and on Sundays made a short, fervent prayer which insensibly
- 4:27Speaker 2: habituated these good souls to the use and practice of
- 4:32Speaker 2: the like. I never had so much consolation as to
- 4:37Speaker 2: see in this little town so many pious souls, who,
- 4:43Speaker 2: with a heavenly emulation, gave up their whole hearts to God.
- 4:48Speaker 2: There were girls of twelve or thirteen years of age,
- 4:53Speaker 2: who industriously follow their work almost all the day long
- 5:00Speaker 2: in silence, and in their employments, enjoyed a communion with God,
- 5:06Speaker 2: having acquired a fixed habit. As these girls were poor,
- 5:13Speaker 2: they placed themselves two and two together, and such as
- 5:19Speaker 2: could do it, read to the others who could not.
- 5:24Speaker 2: One saw there the innocence of the primitive Christians revived.
- 5:29Speaker 2: There was in that town a poor laundress who had
- 5:34Speaker 2: five children and a husband. Paralytic, lame in their right arm,
- 5:40Speaker 2: and yet worse distemper in mind than in body. He
- 5:47Speaker 2: had little strength left for anything else than to bid here.
- 5:51Speaker 2: This poor woman bore it with all the meekness and
- 5:55Speaker 2: patience of an angel. While she by her labors upon
- 6:00Speaker 2: him and his five children. She had a wonderful gift
- 6:05Speaker 2: of prayer, and amid her great suffering and extreme poverty,
- 6:10Speaker 2: preserved the presence of God and tranquility of mind. There
- 6:16Speaker 2: was also a shopkeeper and one who made locks, very
- 6:20Speaker 2: much affected with God. These were close friends. Sometimes the
- 6:27Speaker 2: one and sometimes the other read to the laundress, and
- 6:32Speaker 2: they were surprised to find that she was instructed by
- 6:36Speaker 2: the Lord himself in all they read to her and
- 6:40Speaker 2: spoke divinely of it. Those friars sent for this woman
- 6:46Speaker 2: and threatened her much if she did not live off prayer,
- 6:51Speaker 2: telling her it was only for churchmen to pray, that
- 6:57Speaker 2: she was very bold to practice. She replied that Christ
- 7:03Speaker 2: had commanded all to pray, and that he had said
- 7:08Speaker 2: what I say unto you, I say unto all Mark thirteen,
- 7:13Speaker 2: verse thirty three and thirty seven, without specifying either priest
- 7:19Speaker 2: or priars. But without prayer she could not support her
- 7:24Speaker 2: crosses and poverty. That formerly she had lived without it,
- 7:30Speaker 2: and then was very wicked that since she had been
- 7:35Speaker 2: in the exercise of it. She had loved God with
- 7:39Speaker 2: all her soul, so that to live off prayer was
- 7:44Speaker 2: to renounce her salvation, which she could not do. She
- 7:50Speaker 2: added that they might take twenty persons who had never
- 7:54Speaker 2: practiced prayer, and twenty of those who were in the
- 7:58Speaker 2: practice of it. Then said she inform yourselves of the
- 8:04Speaker 2: lives of both swords, and ye will see if ye
- 8:08Speaker 2: have any reason to cry out against prayer. Such words
- 8:14Speaker 2: as these from such a woman, one could think might
- 8:18Speaker 2: have fully convinced them. But instead of that, it only
- 8:24Speaker 2: irritated them. The more they assure her that he should
- 8:29Speaker 2: have no absolution till she promised them to desist from prayer.
- 8:36Speaker 2: She said that depended not on her, and that crisis
- 8:40Speaker 2: master of what he communicates to his creatures, and of
- 8:45Speaker 2: doing with it what he pleases. They refused her absolution,
- 8:51Speaker 2: and after railing at a good tailor who served God
- 8:56Speaker 2: with his whole heart, they order all the books without exception,
- 9:01Speaker 2: which treated on prayer, to be brought to them. They
- 9:06Speaker 2: burned them with their own hands in the public square.
- 9:12Speaker 2: They were very much elated with their performance, but all
- 9:18Speaker 2: the town presently arose in an uproar. The principal men
- 9:24Speaker 2: went to the Bishop of Geneva and complained to him
- 9:27Speaker 2: of the scandals of these new missionaries, so different from
- 9:32Speaker 2: the others. Speaking of Father la Combe, who had been
- 9:37Speaker 2: there before them on his mission, they said that this
- 9:41Speaker 2: seemed as if they were sent to destroy all the
- 9:45Speaker 2: good he had done. The Bishop was forced to come
- 9:50Speaker 2: himself to that town, and there to mount the pulpit,
- 9:55Speaker 2: protesting that he had no share in it, and that
- 9:59Speaker 2: these fathers but pushed their zill too far. The friars
- 10:04Speaker 2: on the other side declare they had done all they
- 10:08Speaker 2: did purshuan to the orders given them. There were also
- 10:14Speaker 2: two none young women who had retired together, being poor villagers,
- 10:21Speaker 2: the better to earn their lovelihood and to serve God.
- 10:26Speaker 2: One of them read from time to time while the
- 10:30Speaker 2: others were at work, and not one went out without
- 10:34Speaker 2: asking leave of the eldest. They wove ripants or spun
- 10:41Speaker 2: the strong supporting the weak. They separated these poor girls
- 10:47Speaker 2: and others beside them in several villages, and drove them
- 10:52Speaker 2: out of the church. It was the friars of that
- 10:58Speaker 2: very order whom our law made use of to establish
- 11:02Speaker 2: prayer in I know not how many places. Into the
- 11:08Speaker 2: places where they went they carried a hundred times more
- 11:13Speaker 2: books of prayer than those which they brethren had burned.
- 11:19Speaker 2: The haunt of God appeared to me wonderfully in these things.
- 11:25Speaker 2: One day, when I was sick, a brother who had
- 11:28Speaker 2: skilled in curing diseases came for a charitable collection. But
- 11:35Speaker 2: herein I was ill, came in to see me and
- 11:39Speaker 2: gave me medicines proper for my disorder. We entered into
- 11:45Speaker 2: a conversation which revived in him the love he had
- 11:50Speaker 2: for good, which he acknowledged had been too much stifled
- 11:56Speaker 2: by his occupations. I made him comprehend that there was
- 12:02Speaker 2: no employment which should hinder him from loving God and
- 12:07Speaker 2: from being occupied within himself. He readily believed me, as
- 12:15Speaker 2: he already had a good share of piety and of
- 12:18Speaker 2: an interior disposition. Our Lord conferred on him many favors,
- 12:25Speaker 2: and gave him to be one of my true children.
- 12:30Speaker 2: I saw at this time, or rather experience, the ground
- 12:35Speaker 2: on which God rejects sinners from his bosom. All the
- 12:40Speaker 2: cause of God's rejection is in the will of the sinner.
- 12:46Speaker 2: If that will submits, however horrible he be God purifies
- 12:53Speaker 2: him in his love and receives him into his grace.
- 12:59Speaker 2: But while that will rebels, the rejection continues. For want
- 13:05Speaker 2: of ability seconding his inclination, he should not commit the
- 13:12Speaker 2: sin he is inclined to. Yet he never can be
- 13:16Speaker 2: admitted into grace till the cause ceases, which is this
- 13:22Speaker 2: strong will rebellious to the divine law. If that once
- 13:29Speaker 2: submits God then totally removes the effects of sin which
- 13:35Speaker 2: stain the soul, by washing away the defileness which he
- 13:40Speaker 2: had contracted. If that sinner dies in the time that
- 13:46Speaker 2: his will is rebellious and turn towards sin, as death
- 13:52Speaker 2: fixes forever the disposition of the soul and the cause
- 13:56Speaker 2: of its impurity is ever subsisting, such soul can never
- 14:03Speaker 2: be received into God. Its rejection must be eternal. As
- 14:09Speaker 2: there is such an absolute opposition between essential purity and
- 14:14Speaker 2: essential impurity, and as this soul, from its own nature
- 14:22Speaker 2: necessarily tends to its own center, it is continually rejected
- 14:28Speaker 2: of the Lord by reason of its impurity, subsisting not
- 14:34Speaker 2: only in the effects, but in their cause. It is
- 14:39Speaker 2: the same way in this life. This cause, so long
- 14:44Speaker 2: as it subsists, absolutely hinders the grace of God from
- 14:49Speaker 2: operating in the soul. But if the sinner comes to
- 14:54Speaker 2: die truly penitent, then the cause which is the wrong
- 14:59Speaker 2: will being taken away. There remains only the effect of
- 15:05Speaker 2: impurity caused by it. He is then in a condition
- 15:11Speaker 2: to be purified. God of his infinite mercy has provided
- 15:18Speaker 2: a laver of love and of justice, a painful lavor
- 15:23Speaker 2: indeed to purify this soul. And as the defilement is
- 15:29Speaker 2: greater or less, so is the pain. But when the
- 15:34Speaker 2: cause is utterly taken away, the pain entirely ceases. Souls
- 15:42Speaker 2: are received into grace as soon as the cause of
- 15:46Speaker 2: sin ceases, but they do not pass into the Lord
- 15:50Speaker 2: himself till all its effects are washed away. If they
- 15:56Speaker 2: have no courage to let him in his own way
- 16:00Speaker 2: and will thoroughly clings and purify them, they never enter
- 16:06Speaker 2: into the pure divinity. In this life. The Lord incessantly
- 16:12Speaker 2: solicits this will to cease to be rebellious, and spares
- 16:17Speaker 2: nothing on his side for this good end. The will
- 16:21Speaker 2: is free, yet grace follows it. Still. As soon as
- 16:27Speaker 2: the will ceases to rebel it finds Grace at the door,
- 16:32Speaker 2: ready to introduce its unspeakable benefits, Oh, the goodness of
- 16:38Speaker 2: the Lord and baseness of the sinner, each of them
- 16:43Speaker 2: amazing when clearly seen. Before I arrived at Grenoble, the
- 16:50Speaker 2: lady my friend so in a dream that our Lord
- 16:55Speaker 2: gave me an infinite number of children, all uniform only glad,
- 17:01Speaker 2: bearing on their habits the marks of candor and innocence.
- 17:07Speaker 2: She thought I was coming to take care of the
- 17:10Speaker 2: children of the hospital. But as soon as she told me,
- 17:15Speaker 2: I discerned that it was not that which the dream meant,
- 17:20Speaker 2: but that our Lord would give me, by a spiritual fruitfulness,
- 17:26Speaker 2: a great number of children. That they would not be
- 17:30Speaker 2: my true children, but in symbolicity candor and innocence, so
- 17:36Speaker 2: great an aversion I have for artifice and disguise and
- 17:42Speaker 2: of Chapter fifteen Athens, Greece, the twenty seventh of April
- 17:49Speaker 2: of two thousand nine,