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When common sense about marriage becomes heresy · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  And I'm honored today to have with me my favorite Princeton mom, not my mother, um, but a Princeton mom, the Princeton mom, Susan Patton.
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  Um and she is the ever voluble and ever valuable uh insight into um into what?
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  Oh, I guess suppose everything, but um she's an interesting social critic, and she wrote a book, uh Mary Smart, um, which should you know completely sensible but got a backlash.
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  And we're gonna talk a little bit today about um maybe the closing of the American mind, which is uh a book by Alan Bloom, but we're just gonna use the title, uh not the whole essence of it, a certain aspects in which uh society figures out um in its own, I guess, religion, who are the um heretics to be excommunicated, and uh a lot of times it's based on theories that have have been tried and true and longstanding.
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  Um hopefully we're getting a little bit of restoration from the revolution that has been transpiring.
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  Um and Susan, without any further intro, uh tell us a little bit about yourself and and what your role was as um uh erstwhile heretic.
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  Um I've always been a conservative thinker, and it's always occurred to me that women, particularly women of my vintage, were misled by the women's movement, uh, which I think intended good, started out with good intentions, but went off the rail.
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  They became set up full of themselves and started pushing women in a direction that was not productive for young women who are seeking happiness beyond simply their work.
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  Uh so I wrote an essay back in 2013.
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  I can't believe it's in 12 years ago already, almost 13, where I was encouraging young women, especially the young women on the college campus of my alma mater, Princeton University, uh, in which I said, let me tell you what nobody is telling you.
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  Find yourself a husband before you graduate, because you will never again have this incredible selection of excellent men to choose from.
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  Men who are single, they're age appropriate and aren't going to be intimidated by your ability for greatness because they have the same ability for greatness, because that's what Princeton admits.
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  Um well, this was 2013, and it got it got crazy.
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  People just they just went off the rails at the thought that I was encouraging smart women to plan for something other than their professional success.
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  But that's exactly what I was doing.
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  I was telling young women you have to plan for your personal happiness with the same commitment and dedication that you plan for your professional success.
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  In fact, more so you could always go back to work.
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  My day job was as an HR babe, and many, many people I know who left the workforce, re-entered it.
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  But women I know who were all committed to work, got to their mid-30s, late 30s without a husband, without children, there's no going back.
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  There is no going back.
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  So that's the thing you have to focus on.
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  And it was it was just seen as such an abomination that I should attempt to derail all of the you know progress that women have made in the workforce.
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  There's there's nothing about derailing progress.
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  I'm just saying plan your life so you're happy beyond work because work isn't gonna last forever.
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  Your family hopefully will last forever.
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  Focus on that.
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  So that's what happened, and it led to a million other things, and writing a book, regular TV appearances.
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  I was on TV twice a week for probably two years.
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  Great fun, by the way.
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  If you ever have the opportunity to be a regular on television, it's wonderful fun.
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  Wonderful fun.
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  Um that was all that was all great, and I really loved it.
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  Uh but it's a hard place to be.
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  It's it's hard being hated by so many people.
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  But when you realize these are stupid people who are hating me, the people who are stupid smart people.
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  Right.
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  Even even worse, even worse.
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  If it was stupid, stupid people, it's like, uh, whatever.
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  But the stupid, the smart people were acting stupidly, and they were they were relentless, they were absolutely relentless.
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  They went after me on every meeting.
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  I mean, there are articles that were written that you could still Google today.
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  Horrible things.
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  They said horrible things about me.
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  You know me, Randy.
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  I am not a horrible woman.
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  You can't say horrible things like that about me, but they did.
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  They said awful things about me.
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  Whatever.
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  Whatever.
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  It's it's it's it's always um, you know, if you have the facts on your side, argue the facts.
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  If the law is on your side, argue the law.
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  If you don't have facts or the law, bang on the table, scream at the person, throw everything you can.
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  I just got out of uh a small claims court case today.
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  And coincidentally, I'm I'm in a little study group of professors.
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  I'm not a professor, I don't profess to be a professor, um, but really brilliant uh philosophy economics professors.
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  Um they're studying uh Cicero's on duties.
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  Um Cicero was kind of let's say the Thomas Jefferson of his time in a way, uh really thoughtful leader, um an orator, and he's built order.
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  We came from you know Socrates and Aristotle, and then the he used it was like the most widely taught of all um speakers, and I mean he's an orator, but he wrote as well uh of all say diplomats and um philosophers until probably the 19th century.
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  I think it was you know when the Gutenberg press came along, his was like the second most copied book outside of the Bible for for centuries, and yet we don't hear anything about it.
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  But uh, I was gonna make a couple points about this.
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  Um to it, I had a small claims court case and a city counselor um in uh town where I own a little bit of property uh and a little a couple storefronts and a parking lot.
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  Uh his car had been towed correctly um as trespassed tow, but he threw everything at me and he made an aggrandized case, and I think he tried to use the power of his um status um to threaten me and bully me into giving him his towing fee and more, even though he was completely wrong.
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  And we were trying to mediate that.
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  There was no mediation, and he's a man of the left.
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  I think he'd be proud to say now he's a union organizer and so forth, and like our former community organizer in chief, uh, some similar characteristics.
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  Anyway, there was a case which was the case was pretty black and white, although we had it in color.
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  I had a YouTube showing him leaving the property, not once but twice, and his car got towed swearing anyway.
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  But but he started to throw everything else at me.
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  Apparently, he'd done some research, and I have um, you know, interesting past.
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  Um I uh had a suspension from uh the Board of Registration Medicine temporary, and it was incorrect and was rectified.
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  But he, you know, he tried to bring up the the worst claims I had been treating a fair number of narcotic addicts at the time.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  When they didn't get what they wanted, they yelled and screamed, like a lot of the you know, kind of the same behavior that you're talking about when people don't get what they want, or then they're threatened, they they yell and scream.
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  And and so he brought that into the case.
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  The magistrate's like, um, that's really not really pertinent to this case, you know.
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  He's like, Well, you can't trust what Dr.
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  Box says because he's a liar about X, Y, and Z.
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  And so, you know, I started to bring it up into my defense.
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  I said though all those things were dismissed, and those were the you know, it was hearsay stuff, and it was you know, the words of angry narcotic addicts who hadn't gotten what they wanted.
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  He's like, Well, I don't want to hear that either.
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  You know, you're bringing up some.
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  I said, Well, just feel you know, he brought it up, but it's kind of you know, everything kind of winds up.
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  My only point about that is that the case was really simple.
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  It's about a parking thing, and he was trying to bring in all these extraneous things because that's a lever to power.
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  And so people go at you, um, you know, with anything, with anything and distort things to make you look.
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  I had the same thing.
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  There was uh one of the interviews that I did on TV at CNN with Carol Costello had to do with rape on campus, which was a big topic 10, 12 years ago.
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  And my point to her, I mean, she's she's a crazy leftist.
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  My point to her at the time on this interview was women have to be their own first line of defense to prevent assault.
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  You just have
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  To have your wits about you.
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  You have to have situational awareness.
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  You have to know who you're with.
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  And if you're feeling uncomfortable, you have to know to get up and get out.
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  Be your own first line of defense.
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  My detractors took that and wove it into Susan Patton advocates that women who are raped deserved it.
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  Yeah, no, it's a funny thing.
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  You know, the whole these terms are theoretically definitional.
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  Um, if you were to ask people what rape was, you know, say 40, 50 years ago, it's a pretty lurid and uh horrible thing.
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  We're not going to talk about it, but it's a violation, a sexual assault and more.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Rape kind of became uh less rapey, um, in a sense, when it became, oh, I got drunk and he took advantage of me, and then three days later I feel terribly never called.
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  He doesn't really see me as girlfriend material.
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  I'm just, you know, doing some of the internal dialogue.
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  I'm not saying that all this gets said, but I think there's certain aspect.
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  I've I've, you know, my kids went to college, and I I've heard about some of these cases.
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  I've interviewed some people as well.
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  I had um uh Saifala Sayfala Khan, who was a Yale, um, who got caught up in this because of that kind of thing.
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  He had a date, and you know, he was at a party, he didn't really think of much of it, and uh maybe she had more, you know, I don't know, emotional investment, which is not kind of uncommon for a woman to have that kind of thing, and he never called her, whatever, and then like you know, certain number of days later, she said, Oh, rape.
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  You know, and he he wound up getting kicked off campus.
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  You know, long story short, is um, you know, like they say about the truth, you know, lies go around the world before the truth gets its pants on.
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  In this case, uh they I mean, it's kind of an interesting punt.
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  Um, they'd both gotten their pants on, but then the lie started to go around the world.
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  Um and you know, he wound up wealthier, I guess, uh, having collected from my uh esteemed alma mater.
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  Um, but it shouldn't have happened that way.
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  You know, people don't really you know have this kind of terminology of what is rape.
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  There me, you know, in the uh I watch a fair amount of football, and they're changing the rules here and there, but the rules pretty much are basically the same, but there's adjudication and then the review and a secondary view, then goes instant replay, and then the you know, you have a challenge flag, and none of this seems to happen on our campuses.
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  You know, everything seems to be kangaroo court, and you just kind of get thrown away um right off the bat, and that kind of segues into uh one of the things I uh kind of what brought you to forefront of my mind, although you know, as as we both know, you're always in the forefront of my mind.
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  Um but uh um the um uh case of Nicholas Christakus 10 years ago.
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  So we're kind of coming on the anniversary, maybe just past of the uh struggle session, the kind of the Maoist, you know, communist uh red guard struggle session that happened on Yale's campus, right?
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  Um in you know, the aptly named Silliman or silly man uh college, right?
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  As we sometimes called it, um, where uh Professor Christakus MD PhD, who's kind of a brilliant guy, um he's sedate, uh, esoteric, knowledgeable, and uh not always you know perfectly on the mark about everything.
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  We we can get to that later, but uh, I think an honorable guy and his wife Erica, who's an educator.
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  Uh he was at the time called the master of the college.
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  Now they changed the name because master had connotations.
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  Um, so he's the he was uh he was the master of the college, but now it's called the head of college, whatever.
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  Um some days they'll chop off people's heads and get rid of that word too.
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  Anyway, um, but Erica Christakas had gone out on a huge limb and said Halloween costumes are okay.
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  You know, you are you're having fun on Halloween.
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  You are mocking, you know, you're putting stuff on and having a good old time.
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  And if they're just costumes, relax, you know, you're not really a monster.
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  Um, if you uh put a monster head on, you're not really this or that.
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  And and you know, all with this isn't this is kind of we're in our neo-Marxian phase, and um, kind of like the 1970s redux in a way, um, in the 2010s and and beyond of you know, anything that can be used as a wedge, um, will be done, will you know, and and and whoever's head happens to be on the block when you use the wedge of the axe, um, so be it.
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  And in this case, uh, Erica's stock is.
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  I mean, it just seems like such an anodyne comment, you know, like it's Halloween.
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  I mean, everyone there has been a kid at one point.
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  I'm sure tricked reading, and you know, as I don't know, a ninja turtle or whatever.
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  Nobody said, Oh my god, you are not a real ninja.
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  Yeah, but you know, that you're not a ninja, you're not Japanese.
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  Uh, you know, how to and and at the same time, they're using everything, every edifice of uh uh, you know, the buildings and the milieu, and the you know, Yale's based on the English college system and using his French, you know, Renaissance architecture, they're not French.
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  Uh, there's um, you know, gothic architecture, maybe some of them are goths, but but not in in that sense.
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  And and so here they are in the whole sense of trying to assimilate and take on an essence of becoming future leaders, uh which may be you know a different culture from what they have, but that's clearly cultural appropriation.
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  They're they're at college to appropriate culturally, right?
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  And and and uh, you know, we'll probably have to get to this, you know, in the specifics in the next section, but it seems that you know it's just a moving target, and they get at you where they will and how they can.
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  Right, right.
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  I think that's exactly right.
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  And uh, in terms of definitions, the government has not been helpful uh during all of this commotion about rape on campus.
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  The C DC published guidelines that asked questions to determine whether you've actually been raped.
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  And the questions included things like, did he ever make a promise to you that he didn't keep?
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  Did he promise to take you to the prom and then wound up not taking you to the promises like that?
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  Did you did you uh were you afraid if you broke up with him, he would speak ill of you.
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  So that all becomes rape.
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  And all of that is that's so that's and when they have the campus rape numbers, that's kind of right.
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  They're looking at some it's reminds me of COVID, you know.
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  When we the COVID deaths were people dying with COVID, not from COVID, it is all this kind of blur.
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  And so this perception of truth, getting back to the Cicero thing, the lecture I'm uh I'm attending.
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  Um, you know, one of the most important things is the perception of truth, and it's implicit, it's hard to define because we have our eyes and ears, and we have to make the assumption that other people are seeing the world reasonably the same.
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  I think when you're a kid, you know, at least when I was a kid, you know, I had this image that when I shut my eyes, the world disappeared.
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  You know, when I turned my head, everything behind me was gone.
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  You know, I think I was partly polluted by we had it.
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  I grew up before there was actually TV in our house, and when we got a TV, I thought there were little people inside who came out to perform and whatnot, and they went to sleep back in the you know, the console because of a big kind of like armor kind of we had the same thing, TV size of the world.
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  But but that kind of like that all that all that I outgrew, you know.
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  I outgrew that kind of conception that the world just revolved around me.
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  And uh, you know, I close my eyes, everything's gone.
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  So you we have to kind of take on the uh on faith in a sense that you see, you know, through your eyes, a similar thing, maybe you know, one of us might be colorblind, but beyond that, you know, we see there's a squirrel out there, it looks like a squirrel, it's got a furry tail, climbs a tree, whatever you're seeing that same thing we can agree on, we can laugh about it, and you know, maybe at a certain you know time in our history, we go out and hunt it and kill it and have you know, eat it and taste it and and kind of experience the same taste of the squirrel.
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  We sit down in a meal, you know, you serve um you know, potato pancakes, we all taste the same thing, you know.
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  We understand sweet and sour, anyway.
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  The life life is impossible.
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  We don't have kind of the basis of some commonality, and we don't have community with anything, you know, without any common aspect and any, you know, stuff on which we can you know come to common terms.
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  If we can't agree on what's the truth, if we can't agree on what's the truth, yeah.
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  So I'm gonna come up with one essential truth, which is which is that we're gonna have to take a short break.
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  So I would like all our listeners to stick around um with the uh ineffable.
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  Uh I I think uh look up the word.
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  Um there's no there's no F's in her name, so she is ineffable in that sense.
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  I was joking with somebody we're coming upon uh Christmas, which is Noel, uh No E L.
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  I'm like, if it's no L, why is there an L in it?
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  Um, at least the Noel, not there's no L in Christmas.
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  So we're back for our second segment with America Outloud Pulse Radio.
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  I'm Dr.
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  Randy Bach, and I'm here at your service.
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  Um, and today I'm honored to have uh say in my service, but with us um to conduct the um service of servicing our intellect and humor.
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  Um, Susan Patton, who's the author of uh Mary Smart and uh kind of a raconteuse uh woman of um interesting thoughts and habits, um, and ability to express those.
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  So we we were leaving off with the um odd uh situation of of Halloween at Yale 2015.
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  Um you actually uh wrote a letter to uh the uh besieged press Professor Christakis before we get to that.
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  I'll just point out that there was this struggle session, and we'll say kind of you know, quote unquote minority.
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  Um when I look at the picture now, I I see only pretty much um brown, black, um, as we might say, uh young women uh circling him, you know, accusatorily pointing figures and fingers, and and he's you know, looking like what's going on.
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  Uh he wants to engage them, he wants to be uh habitable and communicative and so forth, but they are hectoring him.
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  And this is over the fact that his wife, not even he, but his wife had um, you know, said that Halloween costumes are okay, and they're like, Well, that's cultural appropriation.
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  I'm not sure if everyone is walking around in a sombrero or whatever, but you know, the the interviews, little Instagram things I've seen when people, you know, they go to Mexico, they're wearing a sombrero.
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  It's like, do you mind I'm wearing a sopara?
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  I'm not Mexican.
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  Like, that's so totally cool.
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  You know, most people are pretty happy when you show some um, you know, kind of regard for their quirks and habits.
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  I know the the Mexican restaurants around here happy when I show up and and you know, and indulge in Mexican food.
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  I mean, there wouldn't be a Chinese restaurant or Thai restaurant or whatever if you weren't willing to at some point to like you know, at least you know, ingest some aspects of their culture, maybe just uh, you know, the oral tradition of eating things through your mouth.
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  Anyway, um, what what what made you reach out to uh Professor Christakus and and uh what was uh you know, kind of the thought that went through your mind.
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  Well, it seemed that I'm I I saw what he was experiencing.
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  I it felt very familiar to what I was experiencing, uh just a few months earlier.
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  And because we had a mutual friend, a gal named uh Corin Apicella, who's a professor at UPenn, and every year for 10 years, 12 years, I taught one of her classes.
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  She invited me to uh uh did I say Yale?
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  I didn't mean Yale, University of Pennsylvania.
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  Yeah, no, you said Penn.
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  That's you're correct.
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  Okay.
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  Um she invited me to UPenn, and every year for 10, 12 years, I took her class for you know, for one afternoon, and we talked about all the things that I think.
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  And it's it's funny that I mean Yale is a is a pretty progressive place, and there are a lot of students in her class who thought I was nuts, but there was more that this is that that you said yell, that was Penn.
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  Go on.
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  No, I don't mean I don't mean Yale, I mean Pen.
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  Yeah, right.
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  Galloping senility.
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  It you know, it comes upon all of us.
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  Uh but when um I was with uh Professor Apisella, and she was telling me that Nicholas Christakus was one of her teachers and a great mentor to her.
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  So I thought, you know, I know how crappy it feels when everybody is sort of throwing bad stuff at you.
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  Let me just send him a note telling him, you know, I'm a friend of Corruns, she thinks the world of you.
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  I'm sorry you're experiencing this.
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  Yeah, as I'm sure you know, it will pass, and of course it does, and it did.
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  Uh but I got lots of those kind of letters myself or emails myself, you know, when I was under so much attack.
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  So it just occurred to me.
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  Let me, you know, let me try to extend um you know a hand of um support.
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  Well, that's a nice thing.
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  Uh I know he wrote back, I'm sure he was pretty besieged, um, multiple different levels to write something long.
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  Um, but uh, you know, he I remember that instance, and you know, he came into my um kind of radar um much more recently uh during the COVID episode.
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  And again, he's an MD and a PhD, and he understands epidemiology um and has written on various topics thereof.
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  Uh, he's not a virologist per se.
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  Um, but when COVID came around, I think after the fact he wrote something about China, and uh I'm I don't think I misinterpreted it, but he seemed to have kind of a wide-eyed awe, uh AWE at the awesomeness of the Chinese response to this big bad virus.
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  They were able to kind of I'm gonna give this quite a little tiny side note.
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  I had this recurring dream when I was um probably in my early 20s or something like that, teens maybe, of a really hot day, and there's a huge cube of ice um on a on a table or whatever, it was a hundred degrees, whatever, and I'm I have like a whip, like a one of those lion tamers, and I'm trying to convince the ice not to melt.
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  So I'm I'm yelling at it, I'm cajoling it, I'm kind of you know, tapping it here and there and trying to whip it into not melting because it's so hot and the ice, I don't know why.
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  Now, of course, this is uh like a Sisypisian, you know, fruitless uh task.
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  I'm not sure exactly how the dream played out, but it was vivid for me.
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  I woke up kind of like anyway.
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  Uh China, you know, trying to contain a virus is like that.
• 26:06
  You cannot, you know, the virus is gonna virus and it's gonna spread.
• 26:09
  Virus, you know, literally comes from Latin root for strength and it um virulent and so forth.
• 26:15
  And and it goes, it moves virally.
• 26:17
  Yeah, and so they never they never did control it in a in a real way, and you can lock people up, but that doesn't you know really stop things because people are gonna be moving around and if they harbor the virus, they're gonna anyway.
• 26:29
  So I thought his his um what I kind of saw as partial admiration for China's um playing out of the lockdown um scenario, which had never been you know a term of art in medicine or public health before.
• 26:44
  Lockdown was a prison term.
• 26:46
  You do a lockdown when somebody supposedly has a knife or blade or something like that, a razor, and you lock down the entire you know, cell block, right?
• 26:55
  So you can go room to room and and search everybody bodily and more.
• 27:01
  And and that's a lockdown.
• 27:04
  So the fact that that even came in unadulterated into medicine is I think uh a sadness.
• 27:10
  Anyway, so I wrote an article that got published in in Brownstone uh about 10 months ago.
• 27:18
  Um, and and you know, pointed out that I didn't see things the same way, and that I don't think that China had had to have done that because the big bad virus was not all that big and bad.
• 27:30
  It was you know, 2003 that had had SARS, and this one was a different version of that, and it's completely survivable by almost every demographic except the very old and the very sick.
• 27:40
  And and those people, you know, the nursing home population that comprised about half of the fatalities uh there and here, uh, that level of of illness, you know, they they were narrowly without that virus, live about you know, 12 to 13 months.
• 27:55
  So it's sad, and nobody wants to get such a thing, but it wasn't an earth-shattering, um, you know, uh kind of flesh-eating uh, you know, bacterium Ebola, uh, zombie apocalypse, all mixed into one monsoon tornado, um, you know, nuclear, whatever.
• 28:12
  It was not that.
• 28:13
  And the diamond prince that had, you know, in January had shown that in February, and other, you know, Navy ships of ours and whatnot.
• 28:20
  And so for him not to really see that and look at the you know, bright shiny object of China, uh, I think was a mistake.
• 28:27
  Anyway, uh to our to that point, he and I exchanged a few kind of semi-bitter uh texts um on our posts on x uh.com.
• 28:38
  And there you had it.
• 28:39
  But anyway, but but I I wrote back to him and asked him if he'd heard of my work on Zika, and he hadn't.
• 28:47
  He said he was going to buy the book.
• 28:48
  Uh so I I'm kind of making a long story longer, perhaps.
• 28:53
  But you know, the thing is uh he came around and uh purchased my book and he read my Zika articles, and he's actually teaching to it uh in one of his classes, undergrad classes on public health.
• 29:05
  And so this is a first for me and my theory.
• 29:08
  Uh my theory basically is that Zika is a real virus, uh, it's a dengue virus, um, and microcephalies are real thing, it's babies with small heads, they just happen not to have anything to do with each other.
• 29:20
  And the people may or may not remember the 2015, 16, what's actually contemporaneous with the the Yale um uh struggle session event uh in Brazil.
• 29:29
  Um it disappeared pretty much in 2016 and never showed up again.
• 29:33
  All the theories are still out there without any basis of replication.
• 29:38
  In order to have a good scientific theory, you have to have the theory.
• 29:41
  I say, you know, I'm I hold this pen in my hand every time I let go, it it goes in a certain direction.
• 29:46
  We're gonna call that down.
• 29:47
  Uh it's gravity, whatever.
• 29:49
  I have my theory of gravity, and then I have to prove it over and over again.
• 29:52
  And so um with Zika Microsemply, there's one thing they said, oh, Zika caused microcephaly because there was some maybe maybe with some Zika, maybe with some microcephaly, but.
• 30:00
  In order to say one cause the other, they have to see it year after year after year after year, place after place, all around the world, etc.
• 30:05
  That's I don't want to get into all the science of it, but that is science.
• 30:08
  Science is reproducibility, and it's never shown up again, and nobody's backed off the science.
• 30:12
  So I want to give credit where credit is due.
• 30:14
  And uh Professor Christakas, you know, he seems to have the ability to, you know, move along and absorb things that it doesn't do him any good to back me because my voice in the Zeke Microsemply uh phenomena.
• 30:28
  I'm one out of you know, thousands of of these other researchers who are all getting paid to do so, I'm not, uh, who keep going on that aspect of it.
• 30:37
  Anyway, so I want to give kudos uh where it is.
• 30:39
  And I want to maybe just talk to you about this concept, similarly of being able to absorb new information and have the you know, kind of debate widen whether that's happened in and after, uh, insofar as your um book was controversial.
• 30:52
  I don't think it should be controversial at all.
• 30:54
  I mean, first of all, you may or may not agree with it, but it's not controversial.
• 30:57
  Um, and second of all, whether there's been any kind of restoration or reformulation with your theories as well.
• 31:05
  Well, I don't think it was controversial either.
• 31:08
  It really wasn't.
• 31:09
  It was the virtue signalers that needed to, you know, clutch their pearls and take up arms.
• 31:18
  Has there been a I don't know.
• 31:20
  I mean, it sort of feels like the vibe has shifted, like maybe marriage and motherhood are coming into uh a renaissance, a rebirth, maybe.
• 31:32
  And that's a pun you would make.
• 31:34
  Um I'm glad you noticed that.
• 31:37
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:38
  But I I think there might be, you know, I'm seeing among my children's friends, they're getting married, they're having they're starting to one of them is expecting their first child in at the beginning of January, so in just a couple of weeks, uh, which I'm confident is gonna spur more pregnancies, more babies, and that's a very good thing.
• 32:03
  Uh I I think that um yeah, it's it feels to me like the vibe has shifted.
• 32:09
  There's a sense that yeah, there is something more than work, and um marriage and family is a very good thing, and we should think about that positively instead of as you know, and women who can't cut it in business or relegated to taking care of husbands and shit.
• 32:28
  It's uh that's ridiculous.
• 32:30
  That's ridiculous.
• 32:31
  I remember when I was at Princeton, and we would talk, you know, among the women on my my female colleagues, we would talk among ourselves.
• 32:39
  What do we each want to do when we graduate, you know, but where do we see ourselves down the road?
• 32:44
  And many of them were extra and remain, they're extraordinary women, many of whom have accomplished amazing things, names, names of which you would recognize.
• 32:54
  And I remember at the time saying, I want to get married and have children.
• 32:58
  And they looked at me like, are you kidding?
• 33:01
  Are you kidding?
• 33:02
  What kind of heretic says such a thing?
• 33:04
  We are of the first classes of women at Princeton, and you would throw away a prince in education, should be a wife and mother.
• 33:12
  Well, firstly, I'm not throwing anything away.
• 33:14
  If you know me, I'm too frugal to throw away anything of value, but it was thought of as a terrible choice.
• 33:25
  Now I don't yeah.
• 33:28
  No, I I you know, there's expression, you know, they actually kind of people most people say it backwards.
• 33:34
  You can't uh eat uh can't eat have your cake and eat it, but of course you can.
• 33:39
  What you can't do is eat your cake and have it um still.
• 33:42
  Um so that is backwards.
• 33:44
  But the thing is, you know, again, getting back to my uh younger days.
• 33:48
  I remember uh in I don't know, high school elementary school, people I heard about people retiring when they're old.
• 33:53
  I thought, you know, I mean it's so much cooler to retire when you're young and then go to work.
• 33:58
  Um so I thought, you know, I should go see the world.
• 34:00
  I mean, a lot of kids do this now, but you know, I I didn't wind up doing it, but um I thought, oh, you know, we while you have your your ability to run around do, you know, whatever meet and greet and date and mate, you know, you should have the time and liberty to go do all those things, and then later, you know, when you're kind of you know, more arthritis in your knees, whatever, then you just be working all the time because no sense having a retirement when you can't enjoy it to the same fullness that say uh you know an 18-year-old can.
• 34:29
  And of course, you know, the exigencies of having to make a living and decide what those are, that took over as I got a little more mature and whatnot.
• 34:35
  It seemed uh rather silly.
• 34:37
  I understand what retirement is, uh part of it has to do with being tired.
• 34:41
  Um hopefully that won't occur.
• 34:44
  But um, you know, the the natural order of things is is part of what feminism goes against, and and all the isms in a sense follow, you know, the communism um, you know, does that as well.
• 34:58
  These things are all kind of going against basic human nature and trying to um and it's an odd thing.
• 35:03
  I wrote an article about another Yale uh associated individual, like it came out in my substack.
• 35:10
  I should probably time these things better, but it came out the day before, and I'd written on this.
• 35:14
  His name is Peter Hotez.
• 35:16
  It's like hotel uh with a Z instead.
• 35:19
  And um he's kind of Dr.
• 35:21
  Fauci's, I mean, they're both kind of diminutive guys.
• 35:24
  I don't know, you know, get on this, but he's sort of Dr.
• 35:26
  Fauci's mini me.
• 35:28
  Uh, he was he was said he would maybe I don't think either of them like clear five foot four or whatever.
• 35:34
  Um, but it's no fault of their own, but um, but to call either one either one's mini me is of is you know, it's not it's it's something one shouldn't do.
• 35:43
  Um therefore I didn't say it.
• 35:44
  But anyway, um he was he was supposed to be brewied to be the next um head of NIAID when Dr.
• 35:53
  Fauci stepped down, and he's the dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor University.
• 35:58
  Anyway, um, a Yale graduate like uh me, and a few years after me, uh we didn't intersect there, but um he was um uh in in one of his pieces quoting Maxim Gorky.
• 36:14
  Um and you know, I remember him from literature and you know, decent writer, um, and this and that, but Gorky was the Soviet's favorite novelist because he was um probably a socialist and then a communist, and and he was in league uh with Lenin and whatnot.
• 36:34
  Uh he he there was they had a very short-lived, kind of like Iran when the with the Shah fell.
• 36:39
  They had a very, very brief uh trial of a kind of a parliamentary democracy, uh, which lasted a couple months in each case.
• 36:46
  And then afterwards, the the the real perpetrators took over, you know, the Ayatollah in Iran and Lenin in Russia and maybe became Soviet uh Russia.
• 36:56
  Um, but Hotez, I think, I don't know, wittingly or unwittingly, I think it kind of aligns with his beliefs of isms.
• 37:02
  Um, you know, quotes this guy was a communist, and the essence of of uh democracy is incomplete without basically an injection, no pun intended of science.
• 37:12
  And uh I I want to come back to this after the break, but basically the concept there is that humans kind of need to be fixed because we have these human y things, you know, we have babies, we have relationships, we have friends, we have families, and that is against the scientific.
• 37:27
  Now, my I use the term the way they use it, the scientific aspect of humans, you know, that we should all be kind of cogs in a machine.
• 37:35
  We should be doing some function that the the betters decide for us.
• 37:40
  And I think this is part and parcel of what happened during COVID and how people like Dr.
• 37:45
  Fauci and Dr.
• 37:46
  Peter Jotes um went wrong, and to a certain extent, where I was thinking Dr.
• 37:51
  Christakas did as well, by taking, you know, kind of the ethos and the dynamics of communist China and the way they were trying to, you know, zero COVID, uh, the virus away and and bottle people up and treat us like prisoners, you know, in this kind of scientific method, which you know, again, Dr.
• 38:09
  Fauci act acted and claimed he was the science, and he'd be disagreeing with him, disagree with the science.
• 38:13
  So all these things I think have to do with the isms in the way that feminism does exactly the same.
• 38:18
  It kind of denies your humanity.
• 38:20
  It denies um the kind of right, you know, in a sense, the the church is is more religious, excuse me, more scientific um than these you know, government toties and whatnot.
• 38:31
  Um, I I know you probably have something to say, but I'm gonna have to uh have us both wait until after this break.
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• 39:14
  So we're back for our third and final segment, and I'm honored to have uh Susan Patton, um, the Princeton mom, she has a book you can buy it.
• 39:22
  That's called Mary Smart.
• 39:24
  I think she's got another book she'll tell us about maybe later.
• 39:26
  Um, but Susan, I I left a lot there on on plate for you.
• 39:30
  Uh and the essence was you know, whether feminism and some of these other isms like communism and socialism are by intent, and in order to take power, have to subvert and invert and pervert uh and controvert um human nature.
• 39:48
  All of the above, clearly, all of the above.
• 39:51
  Um, and when you were talking about how how little Anthony Fauci would talk about himself, he he
• 40:00
  Literally said, I am science.
• 40:03
  I am science.
• 40:05
  And I thought the hubris, the hubris of this little man.
• 40:13
  It would be like you know, somebody saying, you know, I am wisdom.
• 40:17
  I am goodness.
• 40:18
  I am come on, Tony.
• 40:21
  Come on, you know, really.
• 40:23
  Let's let's take a step back.
• 40:25
  Um there, there's no speaking of the part about feminism, though.
• 40:33
  You know, I'm not sure there's been a masculinism, you know, whether it needed to be or whatnot.
• 40:38
  You know, what what is feminism fighting?
• 40:41
  How are they doing it?
• 40:42
  And how have they have it, whatever?
• 40:45
  I don't know, has it succeeded?
• 40:48
  Has it been useful?
• 40:49
  Have women benefited?
• 40:50
  Uh, do they continue to benefit by some of the precepts of feminism, which is basically that you can you know eat your cake and have it, that is say you can have the career and also have the other life.
• 40:59
  I I don't think there's enough time in the day, there's not enough, you know, eggs in the ovary um to to do both.
• 41:05
  And I think women, you know, on a medical sense, uh, overestimate their their ongoing fertility.
• 41:12
  Um, I I think that you know, for better or for worse, we are designed, you know, kind of like the raccoons and and um you know, other animals of the jungle.
• 41:20
  We our puberty happens after more years than theirs to do.
• 41:25
  Um, but your greatest fertility is is upon inception for conception.
• 41:30
  That is, you are gonna have the greater chance of getting pregnant the younger you are, assuming you've hit puberty.
• 41:37
  Now, you know, we have all kinds of guardrails against you know very young brides, but historically, if you go back, say three or four generations, you know, women were marrying uh probably civil war era, you know, at 16, uh, 17, not not unheard of, and some you know, smaller hollers, um, you know, West Virginia, whatever, maybe a little bit younger.
• 41:57
  Uh, I don't think we hit the kind of uh Muhammad's bride's age um here, but um the the um you know there is kind of the concept that you know you can have children and and excuse me that you can have your job and then have the kids.
• 42:16
  It might very well be easier to have the kids and then have the job.
• 42:19
  You can do both.
• 42:20
  I did both.
• 42:21
  I know lots of women who do both.
• 42:23
  You have to plan carefully, you have to consider what sort of work will allow you the flexibility, uh to to be a mom when your kids need it, which is pretty much always when they're very little.
• 42:35
  You could totally do it all.
• 42:37
  I'm convinced you could do it all.
• 42:38
  You don't have to make that kind of choice.
• 42:41
  Um, I think that the decline and marriage rates, and of course, the the follow-through to that is the decline in birth rates.
• 42:56
  We started marrying later and later, once birth control pills became readily available, and this is my recollection.
• 43:06
  I've never read anything about this, and I'd be curious to know your opinion, but I always was of the belief that you know, back in the 40s, the 50s, people got married in order to have sex.
• 43:18
  You didn't have sex before marriage because it was fraught with hazard.
• 43:23
  If you got pregnant, it's a it was a real was a real syphilis, you know, penicillin came about in 1945 and wasn't really popularized for some years afterwards, but you know, you get syphilis, uh, which is curable by penicillin, and you know, many bad things can happen.
• 43:41
  And yeah, to be pregnant and unmarried was um a disgrace.
• 43:46
  It was a shame for your family, it discredited you as a as a woman, it it labeled you.
• 43:53
  It also, you know, for us as far as guys go, it it in a sense devalues you on the dating market.
• 43:59
  It's kind of a harsh thing to say.
• 44:01
  It's yeah, this is a personal anecdote.
• 44:04
  Um, I I spent a year in West Virginia um doing medicine in a very um impoverished rural area.
• 44:11
  I volunteered in a sense to do it.
• 44:13
  I wasn't nobody told me to.
• 44:15
  I was taking time off between different residency programs.
• 44:17
  I just want to kind of feel my wild oats.
• 44:20
  Um, and uh and I I was dating and I met this woman I really liked, and I came to her house and um she was a couple years older than me, but the way things were, you know, uh she must have had a kid very young.
• 44:37
  Um, and so I was waiting for her, and uh in through the front door, as it was kind of she shed roommates when uh comes this kid, and he's like 16 or whatever, and uh and calls from mom, you know, and this is the the girl I'm about to be dating.
• 44:50
  You know, it's like I guess maybe she's more than a couple years old than me, whatever.
• 44:54
  But it's kind of you know, I'm not saying this good or bad about me.
• 44:57
  Um, but I felt this thing inside me like uh like oh no, like there's like something drop in your chest, like, oh like I'm not doing this.
• 45:07
  It's like you know, she's got all kinds of other attachments, you know.
• 45:11
  It's not gonna be uh a me and her incubate uh you know with new love and you know, first comes love, then comes marriage, and comes you know, somebody in a baby character.
• 45:19
  It was like, and I'm not saying that every date is like that, but for me, I mean, I was kind of like, I don't know, I'm kind of an attachment person.
• 45:27
  I'm married now, been married for you know more of my life than I've not been, and it's been a great thing and whatnot.
• 45:34
  But um, and I found somebody probably within a year of that.
• 45:37
  I found my wife within a year of that.
• 45:38
  So I guess I was thinking of it at the time, I was already an MD, and um whatever, whatever my own little bio clock.
• 45:45
  If guys have one was that, and when when the guy when you know, when she's like hugging her 16-year-old or something like that, like it's nothing wrong, you know, in my case, like well, I bless you, you know, good luck to her, whatever, but it was that wasn't you know, I my whole it wasn't like a logical thing per se.
• 46:01
  I wasn't plotting it.
• 46:02
  I didn't like take out my calculator and say, Oh, you know, whatever, how old is she, whatever?
• 46:06
  It was just kind of the physical thing and the reality that's here's somebody who has had another relationship and had it, you know, that whatever she's got a lot of other things in her plate.
• 46:15
  Is she gonna have time for me?
• 46:16
  Andor, I don't know.
• 46:18
  Again, I don't know.
• 46:18
  There was no conscious level to this, it was just like instant.
• 46:21
  No, of course, I understand that.
• 46:23
  I understand that.
• 46:24
  I think uh well, it's not just with birth control pills, but abortion has rendered sex meaningless.
• 46:34
  There's no consequence to having sex anymore, and that has left young women in a situation where hookups are the norm, because men don't have to get married to have sex, they don't have to.
• 46:50
  So they'll delay it and delay it and delay it.
• 46:53
  Why not?
• 46:54
  But for women, that's a problem.
• 46:56
  But I think I think that birth control pills and abortion have rendered sex meaningless.
• 47:03
  There's no consequence to sex.
• 47:05
  There used to be, there used to be, and you used to get married.
• 47:08
  You know, you heard it all the time.
• 47:10
  People got married right out of high school, you know, when they were 18 years old, they want them to have sex, and to have sex unmarried was treacherous.
• 47:20
  I mean, there were other ways to have sex for guys, you know, the lot more hookers and what you know, it's kind of um, but but that's you know, some women, you know, doing it on a marketplace basis, you know, on a on a regular basis for many, many, many, many guys.
• 47:35
  And and um, you know, that so it's to too to wit, you know.
• 47:41
  I I read someplace, I don't know if it's true that something like 10 percent of women aged pick up the number 22 or something like that.
• 47:49
  Um, are on only fans, you know, it's it's millions of young girls on only fans.
• 47:57
  Um and you know, that's not necessarily hookups per se, but it's titillation, and it's a flaw like that women would degrade themselves like that for what for is it money?
• 48:12
  What is it?
• 48:13
  What is it?
• 48:14
  Is it money?
• 48:14
  Is it well?
• 48:15
  I think it's some kind of validation, like I am pretty enough or whatever to do this.
• 48:20
  Um what does that get you though?
• 48:22
  I don't understand why a woman would do that.
• 48:25
  What does she validation?
• 48:27
  I don't know.
• 48:28
  Well, I think it's money.
• 48:29
  That's one thing is money.
• 48:30
  I don't have to go out and work.
• 48:32
  I I you know this becomes the the quasi-husband for I guess girls are not getting married, whatever.
• 48:37
  This is becomes a way to you know pay the rent.
• 48:40
  Is it actually money enough to pay the rent?
• 48:43
  Well, I mean, it's a gradation thing.
• 48:45
  It's like you know, it's like the NFL.
• 48:46
  I mean, there are only a few, you know, I guess a thousand players play in the NFL, and they're probably tens of thousands who want to, and hundreds of thousands who try, whatever.
• 48:54
  So it's it's a it's a pyramid.
• 48:55
  It's not like you know, there's some girls who reach the top, and anybody else is think they can do it, and they're all trying to.
• 49:02
  So, you know, people work out at the gym, but not, you know, many people are gonna be, you know, the world body lifter, whatever.
• 49:06
  Everyone does it for his own edification one way or another.
• 49:10
  You know, I've I've seen some of the this is this whatever um podcast.
• 49:14
  Um, and uh if I'm getting it right, and they're young girls on that, and they get interviewed.
• 49:19
  Um, and it's you know, every now and then a guy come in there, like you know, tear the whole rationale apart.
• 49:25
  Like, do you want any do any of you want to have children?
• 49:27
  You know, do you want to get married and have kids like all the girls, and they're pretty young girls.
• 49:31
  I mean, ipso facto, they're they're attractive young women, and the emphasis on the word young, I guess.
• 49:36
  Um, but you know, they're shapely, you know, they're stylish, they are wearing things that are you know, gauzey and whatnot.
• 49:44
  And uh thus the podcast or video cast gets its its viewers and viewers, I mean, um, but they all like to a woman, they all said, Yes, I want to get married.
• 49:55
  And then he's like, Well, what the yeah, what are you doing?
• 49:58
  Doing here.
• 50:00
  How is this?
• 50:01
  How is this helping?
• 50:01
  Well, they're like, oh, well, I want to be able to have enough money to da da da.
• 50:05
  No, guys don't want a rich girl.
• 50:08
  They're not looking for a rich girl.
• 50:09
  They want to get money themselves.
• 50:11
  You know, I'm not even sure like having wealth in a woman is that attractive.
• 50:16
  I mean, I maybe, but you know, Brittany Spears, you know, she was wealthy, wealthy, and she got Kevin Fetterline.
• 50:21
  You know, you don't, you're not, you know, guys, uh, you know, Charles Murray points this out, and he's he's been vilified.
• 50:28
  I would dare say, I mean, as much as you have been more than you uh for saying things he wrote the bell curve, amongst other things, but on his own kind of childhood adulthood arc.
• 50:39
  Um, you know, I think he went to Harvard and whatnot, but he said his cohort of guys, you know, they married the the towney girls, the girls they grew up with in high school, and they weren't looking for you know the breadth and depth of intelligence and or financial ability, right?
• 50:54
  You know, he he points out a lot of the quote unquote income equality that we see today is not income equality per se, it's the fact that you have lawyers in love, quote the movie or the record album, whatever it was.
• 51:05
  I think it was Warren Zevon or something.
• 51:07
  Anyway, you have lawyers in love.
• 51:09
  This lawyer A marries lawyer B, and one of them's a woman, one's a guy, and they have dual income until one of them, you know, probably one of them, which one I forget which one I don't know, you'll have to tell me which which one gets pregnant.
• 51:20
  One of them gets pregnant, I forget A or B.
• 51:22
  And then the salary goes down for a while, and then the kid goes to daycare and it goes back up.
• 51:27
  So they have they're able to afford the you know, beautiful house in the leafy suburb because they have dual income.
• 51:32
  So they they the inequality becomes that the girls, you know, who are the high school sweetheart, whatever type, they they're marrying the HVAC guy, although they can do pretty well.
• 51:42
  But you know, it's it that's the real inequality.
• 51:44
  There's been kind of this stratification, you know.
• 51:47
  I actually partially, according to the you know, Susan Patton uh patented uh Mary Smart dictum that that you know, some women are doing maybe not early enough in college and so forth.
• 51:58
  But anyway, it's kind of this thing of um, you know that it's tricky, you know.
• 52:05
  I think we've seen uh uh kind of a dissolution of the formatting of how men and women get together.
• 52:13
  Um and I think it's sadness, yeah.
• 52:16
  I also think by the way, it is not necessary to have two incomes to raise a family.
• 52:24
  You have to make different choices, you have to make different choices.
• 52:27
  If you get married and start having children, and you stop working as a woman to take care of your children, you don't have to go to Stad every winter to ski.
• 52:40
  You don't you don't have to take a house in the Hamptons in the summer.
• 52:44
  You make different well, you make different choices anyway.
• 52:47
  You have babies at home, you're not going out every night.
• 52:49
  Come on, who's got the energy to go out every night?
• 52:52
  Learn how to cook, cook for your family, you'll save a ton of money.
• 52:57
  Yeah, no, it's and it's funny, and and I think kids grade these things differently.
• 53:02
  You know, if you go back again, go back a couple generations, you know uh I would dare say Albert Einstein or you know, pick out your famous person, you know, lived in a in a you know, growing up in a place that that you would maybe think would be, you know, I don't know a hovel.
• 53:21
  Certainly, certainly Thomas Edison did, and you know, there's oh yeah, uh, I think JP Morgan, whatever.
• 53:27
  There are a lot of you know, famous, successful people who grew up in you know, severe circumstances.
• 53:32
  I mean, uh, I'm I'm none of those things, but I did, you know, my family were my mom had a career as an interior decorator, off and on and off and on, depending on the kids and whatnot.
• 53:44
  Uh she had four children, and um the first one did not pass childhood.
• 53:49
  He had a cancer, sadly.
• 53:51
  Um, but um, you know, we're five of us, and we were technically like a 1.5 bedroom apartment.
• 53:56
  So it's like tiny and very, you know, straighten circumstances and whatnot.
• 54:02
  But you know, I don't I don't think we felt aggrieved in any way.
• 54:05
  We had you know conversation, we had laughs, we ran out and we played around.
• 54:08
  You know, there's in the inner worlds and outer worlds.
• 54:10
  I don't think everyone has to have you know all the coup de moins of of you know, uh modern day um I don't know what luxury um opulence and yeah, it's just I I can say in some ways counterproductive, just like it is counterproductive for some guys to have a woman who's too wealthy, and or you know, uh, whatever.
• 54:30
  It's just like you know, part of the fun is getting there, you know.
• 54:33
  Part you know, which is smart, men do not want a woman who is so smart.
• 54:38
  Men are threatened by women that they think might be smarter than them.
• 54:42
  You know that.
• 54:43
  Well, I haven't found one yet.
• 54:44
  No, no, fence, kidding.
• 54:46
  Ah, open your eyes, open your eyes, Doc.
• 54:49
  Come on, come on.
• 54:50
  I know that well, that I think see that's the thing.
• 54:53
  Um, you know, guys have a conceit.
• 54:55
  I think almost all so I I play tennis, um, and it's there's women playing mostly guys, whatever, but guys like have a very high opinion of themselves, you know.
• 55:04
  And the women and and women less so, you know.
• 55:08
  I mean, I think that goes over a lot of different characteristics.
• 55:11
  I think the guys, you know, we don't really gauge on on handsomeness or whatever.
• 55:15
  Um, but you know, women I think are much tougher on themselves as far as their physical attributes and their mental attributes and their you know, skills and whatnot than guys are.
• 55:26
  And that's kind of I don't know, suppose the nature of life and whatnot.
• 55:30
  I'm not sure where that goes.
• 55:31
  But speaking of going, uh, we're gonna have to go in just a couple minutes.
• 55:34
  So I'm gonna give you the floor um to tell us uh whatever you whatever words of wisdom you want to impart on on me and and the audience.
• 55:43
  Always a pleasure to talk to you and your audience, Dr.
• 55:45
  Randy.
• 55:46
  Um be well, be happy, recognize that you'll you'll get there wherever you're supposed to be, you'll wind up there, no matter how hard you try or how little you try, you're gonna wind up exactly where you're supposed to be.
• 56:02
  So be a little easier on yourself, be a little easier on yourself and trust that the cosmos has a you know a plan for you and glide into it with with comfort, with ease, with joy with joy with great anticipation.
• 56:21
  All is good, all is very good, all is very good.
• 56:26
  Yeah, well, I agree with that.
• 56:27
  And and if people want to buy your books, what are the names of them?
• 56:30
  And and where can they find you?
• 56:32
  Mary's smart, you could buy it anywhere, buy it on Amazon, don't read the reviews, you'll cringe.
• 56:36
  I do.
• 56:37
  Uh it's fine.
• 56:42
  Uh, and the other book is uh Marry by Choice, not by chance.
• 56:48
  Um I also have a couple books that were translated into Chinese for any of your Chinese listeners.
• 56:57
  Uh I couldn't pronounce that I'm there that these same two books, but they've been translated twice into two different languages of China.
• 57:06
  Go figure.
• 57:07
  Um I'm very reachable if anybody wanted to get a hold of me for any reason.
• 57:14
  Uh I'm very reachable, you know.
• 57:16
  I'm an internet gal, you could find me online.
• 57:19
  Yeah.
• 57:20
  Well, lovely.
• 57:21
  And um, while we're talking about books, I uh have one in the offing um called putatively called withdraw to freedom, uh how to get out of the narcotic addiction maze.
• 57:32
  Um, I think it's pertinent because of the sadness of the uh tragic, apparently um Patra and Matricide by Nick Reiner, uh narcotic addict, and I'm not sure what else.
• 57:49
  Um I don't know what his story is or was, and I'm not sure I want to know right off the bat, maybe ever.
• 57:57
  It's not good.
• 57:59
  But it's my my own feeling and thought is that uh the way we treated narcotic addiction has been wrong.
• 58:06
  Um we have we don't treat alcoholism this same way by replacing your whiskey problem with a vodka problem, but with narcotics, we take away their heroine or oxycontin, whatever, and give them methadone or suboxone, and they never get unaddicted.
• 58:24
  And I think this um yields uh a kind of perpetual cycle of of need, and um it's it's a it's sadly enough, and kind of animically enough and paradoxically enough, it's um becomes a role.
• 58:41
  That that all having been said, it's been a pleasure to talk to you.
• 58:44
  It's always a pleasure to talk to you, Dr.
• 58:46
  Randy.
• 58:46
  Be well, be well, we'll talk soon.