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Chuck in the Morning 9/17 H4: Ryon Healy, Mike Sando & One Last Thing · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: It's time for Chuck's weekly visit with Ryan Healy. Brought
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  Speaker 2: All right, 9 o'clock hour. Last week, we didn't get
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  Speaker 2: the chance to chat with Ryan Healy, which we look
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  Speaker 2: forward to every single week. But we're going to make
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  Speaker 2: up for it here today. Joining us now on the
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  Speaker 2: radio program, former Mariner corner man. And now you hear
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  Speaker 2: him all the time on Mariner's TV, where he's doing
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  Speaker 2: a sensational job. Ryan Healy is with us here on
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  Speaker 2: Chuck in the Mornings. Good morning, sir. How are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well, man. How are you? I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing really good. And you've been doing a lot
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  Speaker 2: more TV here as of late, so it's been good
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  Speaker 2: hearing you, even though you haven't exactly had the greatest
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  Speaker 2: stretch of Mariners baseball to have to describe. What's that
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  Speaker 2: been like for you? What's just the general mood that
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  Speaker 2: you had to cover here the last couple of weeks?
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  Speaker 3: Uh interesting to say the least i i've been fortunate
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  Speaker 3: to to see some of the highs this season as
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  Speaker 3: well the the a plus game winning streak that went
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  Speaker 3: on in the end of may early june and they
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  Speaker 3: were hitting a bunch of home runs i got a
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  Speaker 3: call out of those games like i've called quite a
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  Speaker 3: few walk-off wins as well this season um so there's
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  Speaker 3: been a lot of highs that i've been able to
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  Speaker 3: experience i felt like the athletic series that four game
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  Speaker 3: set was kind of like the make or break it
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  Speaker 3: almost felt like like the energy around the park felt
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  Speaker 3: like that was the make or break series for that
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  Speaker 3: team and they kind of played like it. And obviously
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  Speaker 3: they came out there, lost the first three. The first
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  Speaker 3: one was ugly. Game two, that was Friday on the 4th.
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  Speaker 3: They lost 6-7. It felt like they were in that game,
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  Speaker 3: had a chance to win. And after that game, it
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  Speaker 3: just felt heavy. And then all of a sudden, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I felt like Saturday was kind of the ripple effect
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  Speaker 3: of what the first two looked like. And then they,
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  Speaker 3: you know, snuck one out with Brian Wu throwing a
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  Speaker 3: gem on Sunday. And that was kind of the Aaron
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  Speaker 3: Goldsmith used the word salvage, but then backpedaled on it
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  Speaker 3: because he felt like at that point there was enough
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  Speaker 3: damage inflicted by the A's that you couldn't salvage it.
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  Speaker 4: It was just more like a moral victory. But you
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  Speaker 4: could definitely feel some of the pressure.
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  Speaker 3: I think the trip coming back from Boston when they
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  Speaker 3: actually lost that devastating game one there and then won
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  Speaker 3: the next two and had to fly across country after
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  Speaker 3: a late start. They were tired, which is part of
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  Speaker 3: the grind of the season. And this time of year,
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  Speaker 3: it hits you a little harder. But there was definitely
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  Speaker 3: some pressure being felt around the ballpark for that homestand.
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday night, Logan, after the game, said that he used
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  Speaker 2: the line, like, we just expected all season long that
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  Speaker 2: it was going to turn around, and it just never did.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever been on a team like that where
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  Speaker 2: the expectations were higher and you were expecting to turn
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  Speaker 2: it around, and then you had to face the grim reality, man, guys,
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  Speaker 2: it's just not going to happen for us this year?
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  Speaker 2: What is What is that experience like?
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  Speaker 4: It's tough.
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  Speaker 2: It's really tough.
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  Speaker 3: And I've gone through it in different phases of my
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  Speaker 3: career at different levels in college. I remember my freshman
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  Speaker 3: year of college, you go through the season, you have
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  Speaker 3: a star studded junior class that you know is going
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  Speaker 3: to have about seven or eight guys drafted. You got
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  Speaker 3: a first rounder throwing Friday night and just weren't able
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  Speaker 3: to piece it together. Like there just wasn't a ton
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  Speaker 3: of connection between the team and you could feel it
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  Speaker 3: on the field where there was just separation amongst individuals
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  Speaker 3: and it was frustrating. And I think there was pieces
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  Speaker 3: of that this year. I've also know that I've gone
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  Speaker 3: through that at the major league level. There was teams
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  Speaker 3: that weren't expected to succeed. And then all of a
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  Speaker 3: sudden got off to a really hot start. And then
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  Speaker 3: in the clubhouse, we're like, we can win it all
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  Speaker 3: this year. And then reality hits and it just becomes
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  Speaker 3: really frustrating because now you don't know why You were
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  Speaker 3: really good and then really bad. When you expect to
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  Speaker 3: be really good, though, it's frustrating when the pieces don't
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  Speaker 3: fall into place because one of two things happens from
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  Speaker 3: the player's perspective. You either do too much or you
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  Speaker 3: don't do enough. And when you're doing too much, you're
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  Speaker 3: trying to force the puzzle pieces to fit into the
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  Speaker 3: slots on the board that don't fit.
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  Speaker 4: And you're sitting.
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  Speaker 3: There kind of crammed at home and it won't work
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  Speaker 3: and you don't know why. It's not hard to figure
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  Speaker 3: out the problem at the Major League level. It's really easy.
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  Speaker 3: There's so many analytics and videos and stuff. You know
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  Speaker 3: what the problem is. But Chuck, the solution is dang
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  Speaker 3: near impossible to find when you are competing every single
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  Speaker 3: night against the best in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and how difficult is that from a professional baseball perspective?
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  Speaker 2: where you're playing every single day. There's no chance to go,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this weekend I'm going to go swimming with
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  Speaker 2: my aunts and uncles, you know, like you did in
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  Speaker 2: Little League, and then we'll try to pick it back
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  Speaker 2: up on Tuesday night at the old ball yard. It's
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  Speaker 2: every single night. You're down. You're disappointed, maybe even depressed.
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  Speaker 2: and yet the game requires so much friggin' focus. It's
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  Speaker 2: a slow-played game, but if you lose your focus, you
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  Speaker 2: might have a line drive take your hat off if
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  Speaker 2: you're not locked in at that moment. We've seen a
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  Speaker 2: lot from Josh Naylor lately, sort of this absent-minded kind
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  Speaker 2: of baseball, but can you speak from the other side,
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  Speaker 2: from a Naylor's perspective? Because that obviously makes the fans
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  Speaker 2: angry to see that sort of thing, but how hard
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  Speaker 2: it is at this stage of the year to remain
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  Speaker 2: locked in? And is that any excuse for what we've
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  Speaker 2: seen from Naylor and others here recently?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not big on excuses. I'm not here to make
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  Speaker 3: excuses for anybody.
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  Speaker 4: I certainly.
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  Speaker 3: do my best to not make excuses for myself. When
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  Speaker 3: mistakes happen, you have to own them and make adjustments.
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  Speaker 3: What I will give you this perspective of the players
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  Speaker 3: of as a day-to-day grind, we focus so hard as
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  Speaker 3: the player to do energy saving activities. And the way
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  Speaker 3: that we save energy as players is by having a
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  Speaker 3: really regimented routine. And we know exactly what we're going
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  Speaker 3: to do that day from the moment we wake up,
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  Speaker 3: the moment we step in the batter's box at seven
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  Speaker 3: o'clock for a bat number one. I know who I'm facing.
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  Speaker 3: I know what my plan is. And I didn't have
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  Speaker 3: to have these high-stress thought processes to be able to
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  Speaker 3: go compete. I saved all my energy and focus for
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  Speaker 3: 640 when the lights flip on. The challenge is when
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  Speaker 3: things aren't going well, all that energy that you're supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be preserving for game time is used in early work.
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  Speaker 3: It's used between 1 p.m. and 6 p.m. because you're
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  Speaker 3: watching video. You're in the batting cage grinding. You're in
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  Speaker 3: the gym trying to get your workout in. You're in
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  Speaker 3: the training room trying to get your body right because
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  Speaker 3: you're At this point in the season, 150-plus games in,
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  Speaker 3: your body feels like you know what, and you just
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  Speaker 3: want to cry.
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  Speaker 4: But you can't. You've got to keep going. You've got
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  Speaker 4: to find a way.
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  Speaker 3: And now all of a sudden, the extra work that
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  Speaker 3: was helping you early in the season, you went back
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  Speaker 3: into skid, but you don't have the energy to go
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  Speaker 3: do the early work because your body hurts. And now
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, I'm just maybe not going to swing
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  Speaker 3: the bat today before the game starts, and my first
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  Speaker 3: at-bat is going to come in the game.
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  Speaker 4: But then you go 0 for 4. All right, tomorrow
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  Speaker 4: I've got to do earlier work. I've got to hit more.
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  Speaker 3: You saw Julio Rodriguez hitting on the field, batting practice
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  Speaker 3: alone for back-to-back day games, just trying to get the
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  Speaker 3: feel right. And all of a sudden, he starts to
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  Speaker 3: click a little bit, has a couple good at bats,
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  Speaker 3: hits a bullet to right field, hits a big three-run
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  Speaker 3: home run.
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  Speaker 4: You just never know when it's going to show up.
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  Speaker 3: But as a player, when your energy tank is being
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  Speaker 3: depleted all day because you're trying to fix the problems
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  Speaker 3: that are showing up and experimenting with different solutions, you
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  Speaker 3: don't have the same fortitude and focus and energy that
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  Speaker 3: you need to compete at the major league level And
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  Speaker 3: then you get the results that you've seen.
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  Speaker 2: Brian Healy is with us. I want to stay on
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  Speaker 2: that because I need your perspective on this. The psychology
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  Speaker 2: of this game just cannot be emphasized enough. It is
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  Speaker 2: just so difficult. And Anders and I were talking earlier
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  Speaker 2: in the show about how good Cal Raleigh's swing looks
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  Speaker 2: right now. And you brought up Brian Wu, who looks
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  Speaker 2: like Brian Wu again all of a sudden. But that
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  Speaker 2: was our best hitter by far last year, our best
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  Speaker 2: pitcher by far last year. And they struggled all season long.
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  Speaker 2: So what's going through their minds right now? Like, at
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  Speaker 2: least I found it. Thank goodness I'm not cooked as
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  Speaker 2: a ballplayer and I can't wait till next season. Or
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  Speaker 2: is it, damn, why did this show up now when
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  Speaker 2: I needed it back in May?
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  Speaker 3: I'll answer your question with a question. Which one of
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  Speaker 3: those two sounds like it takes more energy.
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  Speaker 4: Away from you?
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  Speaker 5: Damn.
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  Speaker 2: Why didn't that show up in May?
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  Speaker 3: So at this point, they're not they don't have the
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  Speaker 3: energy to be able to go down that rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 3: They'll probably spend October now reflecting on that, kicking themselves
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  Speaker 3: a little bit. But at least there's closure to it.
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  Speaker 3: Like there's closure to that loop of frustration that was
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  Speaker 3: keeping him up at night because Brian Wood didn't have
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  Speaker 3: answers for why he was struggling on the road. And
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  Speaker 3: it didn't look like the stuff was different. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: my guess is his routine was the same exact, maybe
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  Speaker 3: sleeping in a different bed, but can we really like
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  Speaker 3: throw a bed on the, on the private flight, all
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  Speaker 3: the private flight and bring it with us? Like, is that,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure they would have, I'm sure he
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  Speaker 3: would have tried it if he thought that would help,
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  Speaker 3: but you have to pick the mentality at this point
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  Speaker 3: in time. And you have to give the thoughts, this
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  Speaker 3: specific thoughts, the most attention that are going to promote
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  Speaker 3: the player for that day. And if you heard Cal's
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  Speaker 3: postgame interview yesterday, he, He didn't even have the energy
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  Speaker 3: to answer questions in elaborate format. And that's not really him.
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  Speaker 3: Like he's not going to, to word vomit like I am.
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  Speaker 3: So he won't be probably on talk show radios when
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  Speaker 3: he's done playing. And he also made a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more money.
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  Speaker 4: So it'd be all right, but it's, it's the same
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  Speaker 4: thought that he said it.
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  Speaker 3: That's, that's the truth. It's just the next day is
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  Speaker 3: the most important one. The next opportunity to get some
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  Speaker 3: most important one. We're going to do everything we can
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  Speaker 3: to win that game. And that's what our focus is. That's,
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  Speaker 3: That's where they're all at right now. They have to
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  Speaker 3: be to be able to finish this season out the
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  Speaker 3: best they possibly can. They know they've already lost an
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  Speaker 3: opportunity that was sitting right in front of them, and
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  Speaker 3: they don't have answers yet.
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  Speaker 4: That's why they're going to have a long.
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  Speaker 3: Offseason, hopefully find those answers, come back rejuvenate in spring
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  Speaker 3: training and see what they can do different.
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  Speaker 2: How surprised are you? Think back to what you thought
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  Speaker 2: about this team back in March. How surprised are you
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  Speaker 2: that we're here? I mean, scale from one to 10.
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  Speaker 2: Is it like an 11? Is it like a seven?
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  Speaker 2: How surprised are you that we're not talking about setting
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  Speaker 2: our rotation for the playoffs, especially considering what the Astros
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  Speaker 2: and Rangers, they didn't exactly run away with things. Are
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  Speaker 2: you shocked that we're talking about topics like this instead
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  Speaker 2: of those fun, who do you play at third base,
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  Speaker 2: the first game of the playoffs? Where are you at
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  Speaker 2: with all of that?
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  Speaker 3: I've seen enough baseball cycles to not be totally shocked.
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  Speaker 3: I know a lot of fans are confused at why
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  Speaker 3: things have happened this way and that confusion when you
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  Speaker 3: don't have control over something multiplies in frustration because the
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  Speaker 3: fans can't go out there and make the players play
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  Speaker 3: better or make them win games or make them make
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs. And that's really frustrating because that's all you want.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel that as a fan. And I told
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  Speaker 3: you this last fall in September and October and how
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  Speaker 3: blessed I felt and how excited I was to feel
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  Speaker 3: like a part of a team again, even though I
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  Speaker 3: couldn't do anything to contribute to And then being a
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  Speaker 3: part of the team all season long in a different perspective,
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  Speaker 3: like I would be in the booth post game after
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  Speaker 3: a loss and I would feel down when I didn't
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  Speaker 3: strike out a single time.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't make a single error.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't give up a single home run, but I
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  Speaker 3: still felt down because I know how crummy that feels
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  Speaker 3: from the player's perspective. So I can't sit here and
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  Speaker 3: say I'm shocked at this point of the year. I'm
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  Speaker 3: I empathize with the players and the fans, especially because
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  Speaker 3: everyone deserved more. But I also know that in spring training,
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  Speaker 3: things look like it was just a golden brick road
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  Speaker 3: ahead of everyone. And this was going to be a
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  Speaker 3: tremendous season. And then you hear the interview from Logan
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  Speaker 3: Gilbert that says, I just don't know why it never
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  Speaker 3: came together. And we're all just flabbergasted by the reality
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  Speaker 3: that we're living in right now when we don't have
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  Speaker 3: answers to why this happened. And that just multiplies the
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  Speaker 3: frustration of everyone involved.
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  Speaker 2: You know, another thing that I think set in on
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  Speaker 2: him in that interview was, my gosh. Am I closing
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  Speaker 2: in on my last starts as a Mariner? How fast
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  Speaker 2: it can go on you. I mean, if there's a
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  Speaker 2: lesson to be learned from any athlete out there is
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  Speaker 2: do not take anything for granted. Logan Gilbert, he said
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  Speaker 2: it in the interview, like it felt like I just
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  Speaker 2: got into the league and here I am. one year
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  Speaker 2: away from free agency, six years into my career, I
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  Speaker 2: thought we would have won it all by now. We haven't.
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  Speaker 2: And now I have to face the grim reality that
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  Speaker 2: I might be on another team. I mean, he didn't
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  Speaker 2: say this, but he might be on another team next year.
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  Speaker 2: This tightly knit starting pitching crew that I've never seen
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  Speaker 2: a closer bunch of athletes to one another than these
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  Speaker 2: guys are. And now I think Ryan, some reality is
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  Speaker 2: setting in like, man, we didn't accomplish that ultimate goal
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  Speaker 2: that we were sure we were going to accomplish. One
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  Speaker 2: or two of us could be gone next year, and
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  Speaker 2: our little fraternity could be broken up. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that some depression is sort of setting in with some
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  Speaker 2: of these guys right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with a lot of that. I think
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  Speaker 3: the players, like every single season ending, is.
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  Speaker 4: A humble, humble reminder that this team will never be
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  Speaker 4: the same again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Like it'll never be a hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to lose somebody. There's no doubt about that.
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  Speaker 3: Every year, every single year. And that's always the hardest part.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like, all right, boys, I'll see y'all in
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  Speaker 3: four months or five months. Like that's, that's not the reality.
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  Speaker 3: And the, the struggle and the challenge of, you know,
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  Speaker 3: professional sports, no matter what sport it is, is that
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  Speaker 3: when a team has high expectations and underperforms, it forces
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  Speaker 3: this kind of just.
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  Speaker 2: What's the word?
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  Speaker 3: Thinking of what do you do with your taxes? You're
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  Speaker 3: going to do an audit. It's going to force an audit. Sorry,
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  Speaker 3: it's early over here. My coffee's still hitting. It forces
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  Speaker 3: an organization to do an audit from top to bottom.
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  Speaker 3: And if you look at it of what the fans
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  Speaker 3: have put out there, like they want the team to
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  Speaker 3: be sold. They want the front office to be fired.
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  Speaker 3: They want all the coaches gone. They want to trade
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  Speaker 3: all the players. Like the fans have already started the
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  Speaker 3: auditing process that the organization's going to have to do.
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  Speaker 3: And when a team underperforms and they felt like they
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  Speaker 3: put together a championship caliber or roster and it didn't
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  Speaker 3: happen now everything's free game and that's really hard because
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  Speaker 3: what happens next nobody knows and as fans of this
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  Speaker 3: team and you know media members of this sport and
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  Speaker 3: this organization we just kind of sit back and observe
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  Speaker 3: and see what's going to happen you know.
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  Speaker 2: Who had a great year for the mariners brian healy
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  Speaker 2: you know my war was you had a great year
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  Speaker 2: what was your war this.
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  Speaker 4: Year my war was literally zero.
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  Speaker 2: Well, at least it wasn't negative.
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  Speaker 5: Replacement level, Ryan. Replacement level.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair.
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  Speaker 5: That's fair.
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  Speaker 2: I had a great year. No question about it. All right, man. Well,
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  Speaker 2: great stuff as always. We'll have a couple more of
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  Speaker 2: these with you, which we look forward to, but... Kind
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  Speaker 2: of feels like they're playing out the string at this point.
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  Speaker 2: But on the other hand, Dan Wilson managed his ass
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  Speaker 2: off last night. He managed with some urgency last night.
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  Speaker 2: There's no question about it. And so I guess they'll
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: play it out to the end, right?
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: Nothing else he can really do at this point.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: All right, man. Thank you. Appreciate you.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: Thank you, guys.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: All right. Ryan Ely joining us right here. Former Mariner
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: joins us every week at this time to talk some
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Mariners baseball news. One thing I didn't bring up with
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: him that you and I discussed off the air, and
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's appropriate in the shadow of that conversation
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: about Logan Gilbert and the pitching staff. I don't think
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: George Kirby's going to be here next season.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't either.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: But Anders asked me a question about his performance and
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: being worried.
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: What happened to him, man?
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened to him? That was the question. Five walks?
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Never seen that from George. I think this is one
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: of the main problems. And I didn't want to bring
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: it up to Ryan because I didn't want to put
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: him in an uncomfortable position. But I can make it
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: pretty uncomfortable here. We talked mirror mirror about Jerry yesterday.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: And one of the things I was sure was going
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: to come up, and we just didn't have time because
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: there were so many texts and so many talkbacks. Probably did.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: But the culture. I think that Jerry DePoto really struggled
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: with understanding how to develop culture. He should go to
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald camp if he's still around this off season.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: If he hasn't at this point, you're a fool. And
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: if you're not going to rectify that, if you're not
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: going to call Mike McDonald and try to get some tips,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: you're making a huge mistake. Jed Fish did it. Yep. No,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: everybody in town is leaning on Mike McDonald right now
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: because he seems like he's got it figured out. Jerry
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: took a different tack. At least he acknowledged it is
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: an issue. I didn't give enough credit to clubhouse chemistry.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I watched Moneyball. I've kind of lived Moneyball. Billy Bean
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: wasn't friends with the players. He kept his distance on purpose.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: That's the kind of executive that I want to be,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: but it seems to have blown up in my face
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: a couple of times. I seem to have I have
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: to acknowledge that maybe this is not my strength.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I still want to keep my distance. I don't want
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: to be their friends. I'm still the boss. Yeah. But
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I do have to acknowledge that clubhouse culture is important.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Scott service was liked by a lot of guys, but
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: he had his guys, Robbie Ray, Gino, but Gino was
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: everybody's guy. He had his guys. And then he had
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: some guys that didn't like him so much. If you're
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Jerry to podo, You're like, this Dan Wilson guy, everybody likes.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Everybody in the entire organization. John Stanton loves him all
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: the way down to our bullpen coach. You know, that
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: hyper guy that's always being shown during home runs. Everybody
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: loves him. What if I could just turn over the culture?
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: That's my managerial decision. I'm not trying to get a puppet.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to get somebody soft. I don't think
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Dan Wilson should be described as being soft. He caught
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: in the majors for 15 years, for goodness sake. He
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: had to tell Randy Johnson what to do sometimes. I
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: don't think it's a soft guy, but he's a nice guy.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Problem is his entire coaching staff. Kevin Seitzer is one
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: of the sweetest people you'll ever meet. Manny Acta is
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: over the top nice. Pete Woodworth, his entire treatment of
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: his players is all about encouragement. And I love Pete.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: And if there's somebody to keep, it's Pete on this
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: entire coaching staff. But Pete is about, hey, you're okay.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: have a pecan Sandy and some Kool-Aid and we'll come
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: back at it tomorrow. I mean, Pete's all about encouragement.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Perry Hill is overly beloved and he always has the
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: players back. Where's the guy that demands more, that snaps?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Where's the guy? I think Jerry DePoto thought, I'm not
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: a great culture guy, but if I've got a room
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: full of coaches that everybody loves... I'm going to have
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: a great culture. But where's the adult in the room?
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Where's the dad?
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: Do you think he overcorrected in hiring basically all nice guys?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think he gets culture. Okay. I mean, that's
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: one of my criticisms, Jared. I don't think he gets culture.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: I think he thought Dan Wilson was going to solve
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: this thing for him. And it did last year. And
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: it was good last year. But you know what the
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: difference was?
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: They were winning.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Cal Raleigh was having a phenomenal year. From what I've gathered,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Cal Raleigh was in charge of a lot of that
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: discipline that went around the room. J.P. Crawford, Luis Castillo,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: they were the veterans everybody looked up to. And they
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: were all contributing. This year, Cal Raleigh was in 150
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: at the All-Star break. J.P. Crawford was pouting about being
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: demoted to third base. And Luis Castillo was angry that
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: he was being piggybacked while dealing with a 5 ERA.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: How could they be leaders? How could they be the
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: people in the clubhouse that were showing the heavy hand?
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Dan Wilson didn't have his veteran leaders. And I don't
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: think that those guys are tasked. I don't think those
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: guys are, hey! pick up your towel. We're a pro
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: organization around here.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think that they're hard asses, but there was
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: at least some edge and leadership to them. And they
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: couldn't bring that to the table this year because they
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: were struggling with their own crap. I think that was,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I want to say it. I think it might've been
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the biggest factor in this season, never turning around. Everybody
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: just sitting around Thinking, it's going to turn around, don't
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: you worry, buddy.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: Our talent will play out.
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: We can show up and the rest of the division
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: sucks and the American League is open.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Here, have some goldfish. Here, have a neck rub. They
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: just expected it was going to turn around. From Dan Wilson,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: from Jerry DiPoto, from John Stanton down. They were all,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: we've got more talent than everybody else in our division.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: It'll turn around. It's going to turn around on its own.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: And it never did. And I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: sure they had some clubhouse meetings and what have you.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: But did it ever get to the point where Dan
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Wilson is looking at Josh Naylor saying, I am not
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: going to deal with this half-ass play every 10th pitch.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Be a professional or I'm going to sit you.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Did it ever come to that?
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: I don't think so.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Did a position coach? I'm not saying Alvin Davis should
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: have done this, but did somebody in the organization that
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: commands respect? Did we not have those moments? It kind
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: of feels like, to me, we didn't have those moments
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: because everybody in the organization, no one wanted to be
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: the hard-ass And everybody in the organization expected it to
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: turn around, and it never did.
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, quite the opposite actually happened. You saw
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: multiple times Dan Wilson defending those moments from his players, saying, oh,
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: you know, you never know in those moments.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Like, it happens.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Certainly publicly, he explained everything away. Like, oh, no big deal.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: No big deal.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: Nothing to see here.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Tough one.
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: And it's hard to really picture anything different going on
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: behind the scenes. So I think that is definitely a
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: huge moment. And honestly, it's been the biggest frustration for
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: the fans, I think, for this year. It isn't the underperformance.
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: It isn't losing games. It's the fact that culturally and socially,
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: Always the line that gets thrown out is it looks
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: like the players aren't trying. And that's not true.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: It's not. I think it was true with a few
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: at times. Yes. But optically, it's hard to say anything else.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: It's hard to look like you're giving great effort when
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: you can't score runs.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: And you're losing night after night. And you're pissed off
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and you're down and everything else. But just to bring
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: it full circle to George Kirby. There is not. A
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: player that reached greatness, that has been away from the
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: game for 10 years, that when you ask him, who
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: is your favorite coach? Person that reached greatness. I'm not
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: talking about somebody that played three years and maybe never
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: did achieve. Bucky will tell you. His favorite coach is
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: college coach, the coach that was hardest on him. They
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: will always tell you. Joe Montana, the moment he met
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Mike Holmgren. Yep. You're my offensive coordinator. Here's what I want.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Coach me hard. Tom Brady, coach me hard. We don't
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: have anybody coaching anybody hard. George Kirby, what happened to
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: George Kirby? Nobody coaches him hard. Everybody's worried about pissing
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: off George Kirby.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: Same with Julio, man.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Because he's furious George. Yeah. Coach them hard. We need
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: somebody to coach them hard. We don't have anybody in
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: the entire organization that coaches our players hard. And I
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: think it may have been the biggest problem of this
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: entire season. I agree.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 24:45
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  Speaker 2: This week, we had a little schedule rearrangement, and so
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  Speaker 2: he ended up joining us Tuesday at 7.05, but I
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  Speaker 2: without Mike Sando. You don't want to go Sando-less this year.
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  Speaker 2: That'd be you. Crying shame.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, seriously.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: And so we are going to replay a little bit,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: and believe me, just a very little bit from our
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: conversation from Tuesday. And I will start when we started
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: discussing the Thursday night football matchup, which is tonight between
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: the Lions and the Bills. Is Detroit Buffalo the best
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: game of week number two? I mean... Maybe you don't
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: have them ranked at this point, but my goodness, do
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: we have another great Thursday night matchup this year.
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I love it. I love that game because I
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: think Detroit was fortunate to win, and I think Buffalo
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: really went out and showed maybe they should be the
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: number one team in the AFC. So that one's definitely high. Yeah,
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: I'm not seeing another game on there. I mean, Minnesota-Chicago
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: is interesting to me. I think that's going to be
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: a fun one as well. But yes, Detroit-Buffalo, very, very good. Also,
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: another one I've got circled. What about Green Bay at
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: the Jets? Green Bay's losing with these big leads and stuff.
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: If they were to lose to the Jets, look out.
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: What do you mean, look out?
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: They're not going to fire Matt LaFleur, but I think
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: they just extended his contract. The way they've lost five
• 27:22
  Speaker 9: or six in a row dating the last season, they
• 27:25
  Speaker 9: had a record-setting loss from leading by whatever they were
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: leading by, like 12 points and lost by 17. In
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: the time frame that it happened, it was unique maybe
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: in the history of the game. I think Their whole
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: offseason was about finish. We've got to finish.
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: And when you come out and have that one mantra
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: blow up in your face in a spectacular fashion like
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: it did, like the Jets are going to be a
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: better team. So I think that's just one that's a
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: fun game to me to see. Maybe the Packers go
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: there and are too much offensively, but their offensive line
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: is an issue in a bad way. And so I
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: want to see them.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Well, hey, look, you're pretty good as an early riser.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Nice work here today. How about that?
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: They say when you get older, you can get up earlier.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what time do you get up normally? What's your
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: average time, wake time?
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: I stay, well, it depends on game day Sunday. I'm
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: in the office by 6 a.m., but usually I try
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: to not get up until the 7 o'clock hour.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: For me. Okay, well, thank you for getting up a
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: little earlier. Joining us here today, great to chat with you.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: The NFL never sleeps, neither does Mike Sando. Everybody knows that, so.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: All right, Mike Sando. Yeah, we shouldn't have played that
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: part there at the end. But bottom line is, what
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: a great Thursday night matchup. I mean, this is about
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: as fun as it gets, in my opinion. 2026 in
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the National Football League. Lions-Bills, are you kidding me?
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you have what should be two of
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: the best, better teams in their respective conferences. Detroit really
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: looking to take the next step.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Buffalo... Really excited to open up their new stadium, right?
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I still think Detroit has a lot to prove after
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: last week. I don't know if they're the team in
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: that first half that went up 21-0 or if they're
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: that team in the second half that couldn't really close
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: out the Saints. we'll kind of see what ends up
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: happening there. But Buffalo looked impressive with a new coach. Yeah,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: and it's going to be a great atmosphere. They're opening
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: up a brand new stadium there in Buffalo. Both teams
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: trying to start 2-0 on the season. I think the
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Bills might treat this as, I think they're going to
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: be about as amped up for this as they are
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: a playoff game. The home opener Thursday night, stage to yourself.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: So I think from that standpoint, there's going to be
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: some great energy in this game. And from the Detroit
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: point of view, they didn't exactly light the world on
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: fire this past weekend. And even though Dan Campbell, you know, just, hey,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: wins are wins. We're going to celebrate wins. We're going
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: to bite kneecaps. He's got a little bit more to prove, obviously.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: And so it'll be curious to see how this game goes.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: But in terms of just like explosive athletes, I mean,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: this is fun.
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you've got Detroit's offense that even in
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: their playoffs, close, what shouldn't have been close win against
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: New Orleans looked really good with Amon Rod, Jameer Gibbs
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: just absolutely going off. And then you got Josh Allen
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: on the other side. I mean, this is going to
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: be a high-scoring game. I think the over-under is probably
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: the highest of the week of all the games, so
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: it's deservedly so, because I think it's going to be
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: an offensive fest.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: And it's a matchup, too, that I mean, obviously, if
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: you're a 49ers fan, you want the 49ers to go
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl. If you're a Seahawks fan, you
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: want the Seahawks to go. If you're a Cardinals fan,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: you want the Cardinals to go. But if your team
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: doesn't go, this is kind of the one everybody wants. Bills, Lions,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: one of you finally gets to win the Super Bowl,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: both of you get to go, and it would be
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: wildly entertaining Josh Allen, Jameer Gibbs on the same big
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: monster stage it would be a blast.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and two teams that haven't even been in recently,
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: like Detroit's never been.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Never.
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: So, and Buffalo, it's been since the 90s. So it's just,
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: I agree with you. I think, you know, We've gotten
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: used to rooting for other teams in baseball because our
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: team hasn't been there very much. And you always find
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: yourself leaning towards a team or something like that. Obviously,
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: that's not going to be the case with the Seahawks
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: this year, at least hopefully not. But if it ended
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: up being that way where we had to find someone else,
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: I would like both of these teams.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be fun. Been hoping for it for a
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: few years, if not the Seahawks. All right, coming up next,
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  Speaker 2: get it started.
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  Speaker 7: According to The Athletic, and I think he said this
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: in his press conference yesterday, the Seahawks head coach Mike
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: McDonald says he sees AI tools... becoming a regular part
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: of the team's workflow. Oh, the Kozlas have already brainwashed him.
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: That's exactly where I'm kind of going with this. Apparently
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: the team's director of football analysis uses AI to run
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  Speaker 7: game models and sift through film, believing it can contextualize
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  Speaker 7: data at a quicker rate than a coach could.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Let's be honest. Eventually, and it won't be in our lifetimes,
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  Speaker 2: football will be AI. It will all be artificial intelligence
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  Speaker 2: on the field. The conclusion will be drawn. We can
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: create just as entertaining a product that can be bet
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  Speaker 2: on and gambled on without putting any human beings at risk.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, a bunch of robots playing football?
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  Speaker 10: Robots are just like cartoon images or whatever that look
• 33:27
  Speaker 10: exactly like athletes i'm i'm that kind of put me
• 33:32
  Speaker 10: down a rabbit hole as to how much ai is
• 33:36
  Speaker 10: in sports analytics period and like if it's this much
• 33:41
  Speaker 10: in football obviously seahawks are probably going to be on
• 33:43
  Speaker 10: the forefront the um beginning of it because of their
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: new owners right that's how they got their money.
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  Speaker 7: Obviously um so i'm just that kind of makes me
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: wonder now thinking about all the baseball stuff all the
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: analytics and stuff, how much AI could be used for that.
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: Doing tedious work is one thing, but then actually going
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: to projection models and stuff like that is a whole
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: other step. It's going to be a part of the world.
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: I don't want to blow your mind, but I'm not
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: even real.
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  Speaker 2: I am AI.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, you are?
• 34:11
  Speaker 10: Sorry.
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  Speaker 7: Are you the Terminator's great grandson or something like that?
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Something like that. Something like that. What is your objective?
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: What is your directive, I should say? Let's just put
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: it this way. Right now, I am operating in the
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: future from the past.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Presently.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I like that. I like that. Wordplay. Yeah, think about that.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: What do you got for one last thing, Travis?
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: I just wanted to recognize the people who have one
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: of the most difficult jobs out there, and that's fantasy
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: football commissioner.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: Is that because one of them is... Two of them
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: are here, actually.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: In one of my leagues, I'm the commissioner.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: I know, Chuck, you are the commissioner of our league.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have any issues. You don't? Yeah, none.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: You don't find it difficult?
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 8: No?
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: No, I don't have any trouble with anybody. Underappreciated? I
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: just cheat all the time.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: Let me adjust that score. Let's go here. This is
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: how this score works.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I have won three titles.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Now we got to open up, you know, some inquiries
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: into this.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: But, you know, you got to get everyone together on
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: the same page on a draft time.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: That's near impossible.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: That is hard. Then collect all the fees. Yeah.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: And get everyone's money.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: No one wants to give you their money ahead of,
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: you know, ahead of time. And then making sure everyone's
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: playing fair and they're, maintaining their rosters. You don't want
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: to have somebody, you know, just leaving their team to
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: rot in the bottom.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: And you get blamed when there's like any issues or
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: problems or like, or.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: A lopsided trade. Yeah. Lopsided trade.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: You need to veto that.
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: How, how much do you get the, how, what is
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: your veto like threshold? Like, obviously like you can't veto
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: every trade that seems like, oh man, that guy got
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: a better deal.
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: If the, if one of the, members of the trade
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: is just too stupid to realize it's a bad trade
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: then i can't veto that it has to go through that's.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: Just but if there's actual collusion.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: Yes it has to be someone knowingly even if even if.
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: You you know that the person is just being stupid
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: they actually think that this benefits them and it's like
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: what and you just made one of the best teams
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: even better.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think you can intervene how many vetoes have
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: you done in your lifetime Well, I've only been commissioner
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: of this league for the last, what, three years now? Yeah. No,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: this is the only one I've ever done. It's the
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: only time I've ever done this. All right. And I
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: have not had any issues at all. We don't trade
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: in this league ever. Not really.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: It ticks me off a little bit.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess what I would hold above everybody's
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: head here, if you make some ridiculous lopsided trade, I
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: think you're going to get fired. You're not just going
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: to get punished. The AM man's coming after you. So
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: keep that in mind. All right, I'm going to close
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: with this, my one last thing. Ken Rosenthal reporting here
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: this morning that it looks like Dan Wilson and other
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: coaches will be let go at the end of the
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: year for the Seattle Mariners, but that Jerry and Justin
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Hollander will remain in their positions. Not surprised. And he
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: is suggesting that maybe that shouldn't be the case. That's
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Rosenthal's reporting slash editorial on the entire process. We didn't
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: get to this yesterday in our Mirror Mirror segment, and
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: I know we'll talk more about it as the season
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: comes to a close. But here's a little bit of defense.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: And if you listen to the segment, you know that
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I criticized Jerry a lot yesterday. Yeah, you did. But
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I also said, you know, I think there's more good
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: to them and bad to them. And that's why I
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: just land on this topic. I realize that he is
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: the overseer of this horrible season. But I also believe
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: that his direct responsibility is to do the grocery shopping
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: and provide the groceries. And if Dan Wilson burned his
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: quality groceries on the stove, then I'm not going to
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: blame the grocery shopper. You know what I mean? Like,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: even if I hired the grocery shopper. I'm going to
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: blame the chef. Even if I hired the chef, I'm
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: going to blame the chef because I know I bought
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: you good ingredients. I know I spent a decent amount
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: of money on those ingredients and you burned the soup.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: So from that perspective, that's what I'm saying. That's why
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: it's hard for me to have said at the beginning
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: of the year, this team should run away with the
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: American League West. And then they end up with, what, 72,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: 73 wins, what they're going to end up with. It's
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: just hard for me to say, damn you, Jerry, you
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: screwed this up. It's just hard for me because I
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: already said that he did a good job heading into
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: this season. And so that's where I'm coming from. Believe me,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Unicorn's a great cook. She makes the best minestrone soup
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: you've ever tasted. Minestrone, yummy, man. She made me, during
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: the holidays, go buy all the ingredients. Like, start from scratch.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I had to go buy all the seasonings. Like, where
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: were these from last year? Why don't we still have
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: seasonings around? And I had to buy brand new bottles
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: of seasonings. I mean, I'm not even going to tell
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: you how much money I ended up spending so she
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: could make this soup for the holidays. And it was horrible.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: And she knows it was horrible. It's usually a 10.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: It was horrible. It turned out to be, like, mush.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: And.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I know that it was the chef's fault it wasn't
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: the grocery shoppers. fault sure and i let her know.
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: It can i make a quick can i make a
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: quick analogy the same analogy you're using let's say you're
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: you see your chef and he's starting to put sugar
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: in the soup when he should be using salt why
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: don't you say hey oh you're doing a bad job
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: yeah get out of the kitchen good point i see okay.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: That's it that's a good point yeah okay Especially if
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: you're the overseer, right? Yeah, you're right. You own the restaurant.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: If your chef's screwing up the dishes, do something about it.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: Don't just watch him. Keep screwing it up.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: You're singing to the choir. I said to fire him
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: at the All-Star break.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: Yes, I know you did.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you tomorrow at 6. Coming up next,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: it's Greg and Jess on Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.