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The Bolt Report | 10 September · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: Is the gold perform it?
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Speaker 2: Tonight an expose a just who is behind the massive
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Speaker 2: protests planned tomorrow against the weapons convention in Melbourne and
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Speaker 2: what do they really want? Why are so many refugees
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Speaker 2: and Palestinians involved. There's something very odd and sinister going on.
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Speaker 2: Also tonight Labour now agrees with the Liberals new laws
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Speaker 2: to band children from social media. Does anyone seriously think
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Speaker 2: this will work? And where are the parents? And a
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Speaker 2: deal Independent fact shames a visitor to Parliament.
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Speaker 3: A gentleman in Jean's blacktation overweight and board.
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Speaker 2: Zalie Stegele losing it And Princess Kate releases a video
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Speaker 2: and her health which is very pro especially done and scripted.
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Speaker 2: So what message is she really sending? Why such touch
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Speaker 2: control and stunning news? The ABC shows who Lachlan Murdoch?
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Speaker 2: He is not what the ABC audience thinks. I wonder
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Speaker 2: how the ABC audience is going to cope with what
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Speaker 2: it he is. But first, it's not falling apart for
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Speaker 2: the Albertezi government. In the past twenty four hours, miners
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Speaker 2: and farmers have declared war on it. Many are furious
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Speaker 2: that is now wiping out whole businesses for the most
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Speaker 2: bizarre or ideological of reasons. Live sheep exports banned, are
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Speaker 2: your any mine banned? Gas and coal companies belted a
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Speaker 2: gold mine effectively banned for secret Aboriginal business. And by
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Speaker 2: the way, there's an amazing development on that which I'll
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Speaker 2: get to that should embarrass the Environment Minister. Well, last
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Speaker 2: night the head of the Minerals Council, Tania Constable, she
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Speaker 2: let Prime Minister Anthony Albertezi have it right to his
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Speaker 2: face as the industry dinner in Canberra. The gloves are off,
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Speaker 2: she said. You could forgive our industry for feeling like
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Speaker 2: it is under siege or even punished for its success.
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Speaker 2: Australian mining has faced a steady stream of restrictive policy
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Speaker 2: interventions from a series of reckless industrial relations changes and
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Speaker 2: royalty raids, complex regulatory changes and the looming threat of
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Speaker 2: onerous an arbitrary environmental approvals. Prime Minister, the environmental approvals
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Speaker 2: process must be sorted out, and on she went. This
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Speaker 2: was an open revolt from the mining industry that has
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Speaker 2: for too long just taken it in the neck, that
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Speaker 2: can't afford to anymore. And today the same themes we
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Speaker 2: are at a farmer's rally outside Parliament House, one organized
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Speaker 2: by the National Farmers Federation. It's furious about the governor's
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Speaker 2: alleged anti farmer ideology and farmers there were particularly angry
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Speaker 2: decision to shut the live sheep export trade in Western Australia,
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Speaker 2: as the Opposition leader.
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Speaker 4: Noted, minds with proper approvals closed down. Farms who have
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Speaker 4: four generations, worked hard, have built an asset, have been
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Speaker 4: involved in a legal industry and now being told that
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Speaker 4: there is no future for you. And I think the
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister should revisit his decision not to be here
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Speaker 4: with us today, to come down, to come down and
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Speaker 4: say to you that the Albanezi government has made a
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Speaker 4: terrible mistake.
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Speaker 2: Now this incompetent government has surrounded by far as it
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Speaker 2: now seems include protests over its global warming policies that
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Speaker 2: have jacked up power prices and helped to kill off
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Speaker 2: our nickel industry while also vandalizing our countryside. There's also
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Speaker 2: abroad with the Reserve Bank governor, with the Treasurer of
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Speaker 2: blaming her and not the government, for pancaking the economy.
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Speaker 2: And today, in fact, there was another devastating insight into
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Speaker 2: the government's mainset, which might help explain how I've been
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Speaker 2: getting poorer per person over the past year and a
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Speaker 2: half and why the mining industry is now in revolt.
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Speaker 2: More astonishing revelations about how thoughtlessly this government crippled that
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Speaker 2: billion dollar gold mine in New South Wales. US some
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Speaker 2: more stuff that you haven't yet been told until now.
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Speaker 2: Now you already know the environment Mistertenia plipsic band that
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Speaker 2: mins critical tailing stamp, saying it was on sacred Aboriginal land,
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Speaker 2: although the local traditional owners group said no, it wasn't
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Speaker 2: said the evidence was fake. Plevsick ignored them. She ignored
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Speaker 2: department advice and listened instead to a small group of
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Speaker 2: dissidents identifying as Aboriginal who said the site was sacred
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Speaker 2: for reasons. Plimsy says, oh a secret. Now I've told
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Speaker 2: you before that one of those people who formerly objected
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Speaker 2: to the mine, claiming to be a local regery elder,
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Speaker 2: is actually an artist who used to say she belonged
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Speaker 2: to a different tribe through one very distant average ancestor
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Speaker 2: in the eighteen twenties. Would you believe? But let's now
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Speaker 2: look at Lisa Peyton. She's a director of the group
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Speaker 2: of dissidents, Plebsy says, helped convince her there were Agery
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Speaker 2: traditional owners central West Abaginal corporations, about eighteen of them.
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Speaker 2: The Australian Today says Peyton once claimed that every single
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Speaker 2: creek and river in the shire was sacred, even dried
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Speaker 2: out waterways. They all had deep spiritual significance, which suggests
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Speaker 2: that Plibask might actually be wrong to say the Mind
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Speaker 2: could easily move its tailing dam somewhere else. What isn't
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Speaker 2: sacred there? But this same Lisa Payton actually sent in
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Speaker 2: another objection to the mine, this time offering a whole
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Speaker 2: lot of different arguments against it. In this one, she
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Speaker 2: only briefly mentioned sacred sites. That was in about two
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Speaker 2: sentences in two and a half pages. Her main objection
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Speaker 2: in this one was that the Mind was supposedly the
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Speaker 2: site of the Bathist Wars between Aborigines and Whites two
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Speaker 2: hundred years ago. She said it should be treated with
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Speaker 2: the same respect as locations of other major historical battles
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Speaker 2: such as Gallipoli and the Battle of the Somme in
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Speaker 2: World War One, which is already utterly ridiculous. I mean this,
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Speaker 2: We're not talking now about sacred sites. This is just
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Speaker 2: a joke of a reason to ban a gold mine.
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Speaker 2: I say a joke because the so called Bathist Wars weren't.
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Speaker 2: They were averages attacking a few white drovers and settlers,
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Speaker 2: settlers shooting back, and Governor Thomas Brisbane then sending in
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Speaker 2: the troops to end the fighting, which he reported his
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Speaker 2: soldiers did without bloodshed. The Governor estimated the total deaths
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Speaker 2: of this war, supposed on a par with Gallipoli and
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Speaker 2: the Song, as seven Europeans and about twice that number
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Speaker 2: of Aboriginies, so just over twenty in all. And here's
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Speaker 2: a weird twist. One of this lease of Peyton's own
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Speaker 2: ancestors was in fact a British soldier in New South
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Speaker 2: Wales around that time, later an official and settler, a
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Speaker 2: Lieutenant Thomas Palmer. But Peyton has apparently now discovered she's
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal and says this gold mine should be stopped because
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Speaker 2: this area is significant to my personal journey in discovering
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Speaker 2: my Aboriginal heritage. Nice for her, but what is it
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Speaker 2: to us? And which part of this fantastic story helped
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Speaker 2: convince Tanya Plibasic to effectively block this gold mine and
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Speaker 2: it's eight hundred jobs. What made Plimisic think that this
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Speaker 2: Peyton was a reliable authority for this decision to cripple
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Speaker 2: a one billion dollar mine. This government is a joke
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Speaker 2: and it is no wonder that a lot of people
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Speaker 2: are not just miners and now wondering what the hell
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Speaker 2: it's up to. Joining me every Tuesday is National Senator
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Speaker 2: Mat Canavan, the former Resources Minister. Matt, good to see you. Now, look,
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Speaker 2: let's start with that mining Council's attack on the government.
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Speaker 2: I haven't heard it be this bolshey since the Rudd
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Speaker 2: and Guillard era with their super profits tax.
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Speaker 5: You're absolutely right, Andrew. I go to these dinners every year.
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Speaker 5: I've been to them for ten years now, so more
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Speaker 5: than ten years have been going and it is definitely
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Speaker 5: the biggest attack I've seen from the mining sector on
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Speaker 5: a government since the days of Kevin Rudd. Of course,
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Speaker 5: not only weeks after that. This particular dinner occurred while
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Speaker 5: Kevin Rudd was Prime Minister. Then he was no longer
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Speaker 5: Prime minister after the controversy around the mining tax.
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Speaker 1: Now probably hasn't reached those levels yet, but.
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Speaker 5: I think it's a real problem for our country at
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Speaker 5: a time when our standard living is dropping so much,
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Speaker 5: when people are struggling to make ends meet, that we
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Speaker 5: have a government that's at war with those industries that
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Speaker 5: produce the wealth for our nation. I think the fundamental
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Speaker 5: problem here is that the people I speak to in business,
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Speaker 5: our farming sector, our mining sector, a manufacturing sector, they
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Speaker 5: all now have the belief that somehow they've got to
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Speaker 5: ask permission to create wealth for our country. But they
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Speaker 5: need to go begging cap in hand to a government bureaucracy,
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Speaker 5: a government minister maybe in the case of Tenure Pliver. Second,
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Speaker 5: please please, sir, can I make some things for our nation?
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Speaker 1: Can I create some jobs?
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Speaker 5: And obviously that's an environment which is not conducive to
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Speaker 5: attracting investment to our country, to getting our economy firing.
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Speaker 5: And it's a big reason why people are feeling a lot,
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Speaker 5: lot poorer under this labor government.
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Speaker 2: Now, I've just explained the beliefs and the objections of
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Speaker 2: one of the office bearers of the group that Tenior
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Speaker 2: Pibicic says, help convince you to cancel this Goldman's tailings.
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Speaker 2: Dam To me, this highlights a crying need that the
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Speaker 2: minerals Council also, I think raised who is the right
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Speaker 2: to say they're Aboriginal with a standing to stop a project.
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Speaker 2: Now the opposition has now said, look that needs to
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Speaker 2: be codified. What is needed.
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Speaker 5: Well obvious a lot of detail to work through their
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Speaker 5: editor But in my experience what should be prioritizing these
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Speaker 5: sixth situations is the local people. I kind of believe
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Speaker 5: for good reason, all good politics is local. You look
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Speaker 5: after local people if you're a good mining company, if
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Speaker 5: you try to make a do a big infrastructure project.
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Speaker 5: But I'd recommend to my friends in the solar and
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Speaker 5: window factory business, look after the local people here in
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Speaker 5: their community, your guests in their areas. Until you establish
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Speaker 5: your own reputation in the community, look after them. And
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Speaker 5: so if there are local Indigenous groups that have very
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Speaker 5: special places to them and their culture and they have
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Speaker 5: continuingly used those places for a long time in that community,
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Speaker 5: those rights obviously have to be respectors any good person
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Speaker 5: seeking to come into a community would do.
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Speaker 1: And usually those things can be worked through.
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Speaker 5: But here we've got an example with this particular mine
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Speaker 5: and Orange where to minderstanding. The local Aboriginal Land Council
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Speaker 5: is happy with the company has good relationship with the company,
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Speaker 5: wants to see the project go ahead.
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Speaker 1: Get some outsiders.
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Speaker 5: We can argue their Aboriginal connections or not, but they
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Speaker 5: by minds, they don't live in the town, they don't
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Speaker 5: live in the area, are getting to dictate what happens.
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Speaker 5: And I think we'd be much better as a country
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Speaker 5: if we learn the principle of good fences make for
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Speaker 5: good neighbors. And if the people of Orange, if the
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Speaker 5: Aboriginal people of Orange want a mine to happen and
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Speaker 5: go ahead. I don't think it's up to the people
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Speaker 5: of Sydney or anywhere else in the country to dictate
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Speaker 5: to them what they should do.
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Speaker 1: Let local people make these decisions.
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Speaker 2: But what about people's self identifying as is increased the
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Speaker 2: habit now I'm not talking about anyone I've mentioned so far,
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Speaker 2: just generally increasingly self identifying on a personal journey saying
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Speaker 2: their Aborigine. Should we actually say, Look, let's particularly the
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Speaker 2: rate we're intermarrying. How about if you have only one
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Speaker 2: grandparent or maybe one great grandparent OF's Aborigine, that's not enough.
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Speaker 2: You need a deeper connection than that to be able
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Speaker 2: to have a special standing in declaring things like sacred sites.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I'm loath to go down that path, Andrew.
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Speaker 5: It sounds to me a lot like Ante bellum Us
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Speaker 5: in the South of America or in South America that
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Speaker 5: was for a long time, including an.
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Speaker 1: Areas being gained.
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Speaker 2: Now we're being into.
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Speaker 1: Different they had different words.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I get that, But you know, the idea that
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Speaker 5: we classify ourselves into one thirty second of a person
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Speaker 5: or one sixty fourth of a person, I just think
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Speaker 5: that's something that's never It's been alien to our own nation.
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Speaker 5: I don't want to import it to our country or
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Speaker 5: all Australian citizens. As I say, I think there is
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Speaker 5: there are alternative measures here with issues like this, and
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Speaker 5: that goes to what you've actually done in your life,
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Speaker 5: not just your heritage, but have you yourself engaged in
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Speaker 5: activities that connect you to a local area or a
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Speaker 5: local site that gives you some kind of voice over that.
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Speaker 5: It's in fact, how we've largely properly managed the Native
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Speaker 5: Title Act. You've got to have a continuing connection to
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Speaker 5: that area for the right time. You're talking about it
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Speaker 5: different than that, but sorry, Look.
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Speaker 2: I get your fear of being typecast here, but Aboriginal
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Speaker 2: leaders themselves have raised this issue that we're increasingly with
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Speaker 2: every new generation into marrying, get into the stage where
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Speaker 2: who is Aboriginal is it? Because on the basis of
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Speaker 2: one grandparent, that's obviously that's obviously far fetched, and I
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Speaker 2: don't think many people are buying it, and we're going
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Speaker 2: to have to make some hard calls on this sort
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Speaker 2: of thing. Otherwise this is just going to be a
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Speaker 2: total face And the people in out are people who
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Speaker 2: are Aboriginal, deeply connected with their culture, and they see
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Speaker 2: these interlopers coming in on self discovery tours. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this can't be right now. The government's direction, by the way,
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Speaker 2: is looking stranger and stranger. I want to ask you
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Speaker 2: about this. You've got a government now saying no to nuclear,
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Speaker 2: but Italy is moving to drop its own nuclear band.
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Speaker 2: Our government says we must drive more electric cars, but
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Speaker 2: Volvo's dropping plants to sell only electric cars because of
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Speaker 2: falling demand for them. Our government wants electricity to come
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Speaker 2: mainly from wind and solar, but a typhoon in China
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Speaker 2: has just shown how easily wind towers can be knocked down.
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Speaker 2: What's happening here.
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Speaker 5: Well, our governor's obsessed, Unfortunately they've locked themselves in to
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Speaker 5: putting all their eggs in one basket, and normally that
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Speaker 5: never ends very well in life, and it's certainly not
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Speaker 5: ending well for any country that has tried this before.
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Speaker 5: Many of those nations you've mentioned, like Italy, have woken
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Speaker 5: up to this scam, that is the idea that you
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Speaker 5: can power industrial economy on renewable energy, on weather dependent
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Speaker 5: energy technologies.
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Speaker 1: It's an absolute scam and a hoax.
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Speaker 5: Probably the biggest that's ever been perpetuated in the economic world,
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Speaker 5: and countries further down this path than us, like those
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Speaker 5: in Europe, waking up to it.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, there's a report from the EU just this week also.
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Speaker 5: Ringing the bell on the energy competitiveness of that area
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Speaker 5: of the world.
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Speaker 1: It's just losing their industry.
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Speaker 5: So look, phil more fuel on us if we continue
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Speaker 5: down this path after seeing that evidence. But there's no
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Speaker 5: evidence that the labor government here is themselves willing to
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Speaker 5: look at what's happened in other countries. They seem locked
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Speaker 5: stead into this absolute raw that's going on. There's just
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Speaker 5: ripping off a strain energy consumers, losing our manufacturing capacity,
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Speaker 5: and we've got this absurd situation in the world, in
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Speaker 5: a part of the world blessed with probably the most
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Speaker 5: energy resources per capital that anywhere else, we can't power
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Speaker 5: an industrial economy. There's a story today that we we're
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Speaker 5: not going to have data centers in Australia. We won't
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Speaker 5: be able to have the security of our own data
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Speaker 5: because we don't have enough energy security to do so.
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Speaker 1: It's absurd. He's got to sane.
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Speaker 2: It is insane. We're denying ourselves the means the power
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Speaker 2: at twenty first century economy. It is just crazy. Mccannavan,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time talking about crazy.
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Speaker 2: I've just got to call someone out. One till independent
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Speaker 2: and particularly seems to be losing it. A couple of
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Speaker 2: weeks ago, Zalie Stegel smeared Peter Dutton as a racist.
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Speaker 2: This afternoon, she fat shamed a spectator in the Gallery
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Speaker 2: of Parliament after he made admittedly a rude saying, if.
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Speaker 3: A gentleman in Jean's black teationant overweight and board flip
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Speaker 3: the bird.
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Speaker 6: I did stand up earlier because I thought that that
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Speaker 6: was disgraceful, that body shaming remark by the men of Floringer.
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Speaker 6: The pejorative description of a member of our public galleries
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Speaker 6: and it should be withdrawn immediately.
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Speaker 7: Does the member wish to withdraw that descriptor no, because I.
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Speaker 8: Would like the video put it to be identified.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: To defend some punter flipping the bird at a politician,
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Speaker 2: I think let's all be respectful. But I've got to
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Speaker 2: say that replies as Ali Steggl as well, just being
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Speaker 2: hypocritical and a bit too precious for someone who's supposedly
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Speaker 2: a lawmaker. Well, last year, last year Australian said no
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Speaker 2: to dividing a spo race. Sixty percent said no in
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Speaker 2: the referendum on Labour's Voice. Will New Zealanders now get
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Speaker 2: the same kind of chance and will they take it?
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Speaker 2: One of the three parties forming New Zealand's government is ACT,
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Speaker 2: which promised to let New Zealanders vote for equal rights
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Speaker 2: for all, to vote against this increasing drift to having
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Speaker 2: Maori and non Maori in some race based partnership fifty
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Speaker 2: to fifty over things like health services and water resources.
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Speaker 2: In particular, they could vote to put Parliament in charge
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Speaker 2: of interpreting the Treaty of Whititangi, which has involved married
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Speaker 2: tribes in eighteen forty, assigning a treaty to put themselves
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Speaker 2: under a British rule. But opposition to this vote is
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Speaker 2: getting nasty and the Prime Minister, Christopher Luxen, the leader
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Speaker 2: of the National Party said, is not in favor of
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Speaker 2: this vote at all. Joining me is the man pushing it.
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Speaker 2: David Seymour, the ACT Leader and Minister for Regulation, David Seymour,
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Speaker 2: great to see you again. Look, why doesn't your Prime
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Speaker 2: minister support equal rights regardless of race. I thought it
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Speaker 2: was a no brainer.
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Speaker 9: Well, and fairness to our Prime minister. He does support
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Speaker 9: equal rights and our government is making a lot of
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Speaker 9: changes right across the board to instill the idea that
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Speaker 9: each New Zealander has the same basic rights. Where there's
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Speaker 9: a difference is that our Party Act believes that there
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Speaker 9: needs to be a in Parliament needs to break a
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Speaker 9: fifty year silence about what the Treaty of White Tonguy
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Speaker 9: really means. Now. I think we're lucky in New Zealand
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Speaker 9: that we are our country founded on a voluntary agreement.
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Speaker 9: It's mercifully short, and it says the Crown has the
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Speaker 9: right to govern, that we all have the rights of
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Speaker 9: our property and to self determine and live the way
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Speaker 9: we'd like, and that we all have equal rights or
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Speaker 9: in marii tkaki, So we're pretty proud of that. What
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Speaker 9: the problem is is that over the last fifty years
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Speaker 9: since Parliament said that there was such a thing as
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Speaker 9: the principles of the Treaty, the courts have rushed into
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Speaker 9: the vacuum. A tribunal called the White Tonguy Tribunal, set
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Speaker 9: up to interpret the treaty, has rushed into that vacuum,
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Speaker 9: and as a result, we suddenly have a vision of
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Speaker 9: what that treaty means that doesn't say what I just described,
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Speaker 9: which is roughly what the tree he says, I'm paraphrasing,
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Speaker 9: but rather it says, well, there's a bit of confusion
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Speaker 9: what people really meant, but let's just take out of
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Speaker 9: it that there's a partnership between races and therefore our
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Speaker 9: country should be co governed. And for example, when a
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Speaker 9: public institution was set up to manage water infrastructure, there'd
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Speaker 9: be some Mari representatives and some non Mari representatives, and
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Speaker 9: that structure under the previous government was being replicated everywhere.
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Speaker 9: I'm pleased that our government is removing most of those structures,
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Speaker 9: but I think we also need to get to the
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Speaker 9: roots of what I view as a misunderstanding. Treaty was
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Speaker 9: supposed to bring us together, not create this so called
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Speaker 9: partnership between races, which is inherently divisive.
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Speaker 2: It is certainly inherently divisive. Can you tell me what
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Speaker 2: lesson you took from Australia's referendum last year in the
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Speaker 2: voice sixty percent saying no to dividing us by race,
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Speaker 2: no to an average learning advisory parliament in our constitution.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think what I took from it is that
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Speaker 9: most people have an innate sense of what is fair
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Speaker 9: and what is right, and the idea that each person
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Speaker 9: is a like in dignity and should have the same
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Speaker 9: basic equal rights as a citizen. And actually this is
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Speaker 9: really natural if you think back to playing games on
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Speaker 9: the field at school. You know, if one person says
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Speaker 9: the rules don't apply to me, or I'm going to
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Speaker 9: change the rules halfway through the game, people immediately say
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Speaker 9: that's not fair. Everyone should have the same basic go
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Speaker 9: everyone should have to follow the same rules. So this
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Speaker 9: is something that is deep within us. And I think
21:40
Speaker 9: you saw that when the proposition was made that perhaps
21:44
Speaker 9: there should be a sort of separate side representation in
21:47
Speaker 9: your Parliament. As I understand it, Australians overwhelmingly came out
21:51
Speaker 9: and said no, despite the fact that they were told
21:54
Speaker 9: that they were racists, or that they were wrong to
21:57
Speaker 9: think that way, or they shouldn't have a view. Despite
21:59
Speaker 9: much of corporate Australia wringing their hands and coming out
22:03
Speaker 9: that innate belief in universal human rights came out loud
22:07
Speaker 9: and clear in the secrecy of the ballot booth. And
22:10
Speaker 9: I think that is very important. It's something that seems
22:13
Speaker 9: to be reflected here in New Zealand that when you
22:15
Speaker 9: ask New Zealand as well, you know, do you think
22:17
Speaker 9: the treaty created a partnership between races or does it
22:21
Speaker 9: creates a set of values more like I described at
22:23
Speaker 9: the beginning of this interview, the same rights and duties
22:27
Speaker 9: for all people overwhelmingly come out in favor of universal
22:31
Speaker 9: human rights.
22:34
Speaker 2: Yes, it wasn't a separate representation in Parliament, but to Parliament.
22:38
Speaker 2: And finally, just quickly, do you think New Zealanders will
22:42
Speaker 2: in the end get to vote on equal rights as
22:44
Speaker 2: you want or is the weight of the government going
22:48
Speaker 2: to crush you?
22:50
Speaker 9: Well, in my view it's inevitable. I was the person
22:55
Speaker 9: who was responsible for legalizing euthanasia here in New Zealand.
23:01
Speaker 9: I know that's rolled through a lot of Australian states,
23:03
Speaker 9: but I didn't start it. Somebody else called Michael Laws
23:06
Speaker 9: introduced a bill in nineteen ninety five. My bill went
23:10
Speaker 9: through to legalize it in twenty nineteen. Now kind of
23:13
Speaker 9: hoping it doesn't take this long for Parliament to finally
23:16
Speaker 9: break its silence and people to get a final vote.
23:20
Speaker 9: But my point is that once we've introduced the idea
23:23
Speaker 9: that all New Zealand, it's not just legal exports experts
23:26
Speaker 9: or self appointed experts or academics or people who say
23:30
Speaker 9: that you have to listen to them, have a voice. Actually,
23:33
Speaker 9: everybody gets to say about the constitutional underpinnings of our country.
23:37
Speaker 9: Whether you arrived a thousand years ago like some of
23:40
Speaker 9: my Maori ancestors did, or whether you got off the
23:43
Speaker 9: plane at Auckland International this morning to begin your journey
23:46
Speaker 9: as a New Zealander, we all have that same basic right.
23:49
Speaker 9: And I think once people get the idea that you know,
23:52
Speaker 9: actually we can all have a say, it's inevitable that
23:55
Speaker 9: people will want to put the pretty back on course.
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Speaker 2: Legitimates of the debate and I think that's the main
24:02
Speaker 2: thing first legitimates of the debate. However long it takes,
24:05
Speaker 2: people will come around. I think David Senor thank you
24:08
Speaker 2: so much for your time. After the break, politicians and
24:11
Speaker 2: all sides have agreed to do something to stop children
24:16
Speaker 2: going on social media, something very moral and probably useless.
24:26
Speaker 2: Now I get the worry, you know, children on social media,
24:29
Speaker 2: especially when their parents aren't watching over their shoulder. What
24:33
Speaker 2: are they looking at? Porn?
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Speaker 1: Violence?
24:35
Speaker 2: Are they being bullied? Are they being preyed on? Talking
24:38
Speaker 2: to a predator? I mean I was eagle eyed with
24:42
Speaker 2: my kids. Now some of the stories have been horrific,
24:46
Speaker 2: you know, they've been all covered in the news corps
24:48
Speaker 2: Let Them Be Kids campaign. But what's the solution now?
24:53
Speaker 2: In June, Federal Opposition leader Peter Dutton said we need
24:55
Speaker 2: kids banned from social media until they are sixteen. That's
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Speaker 2: something the Prime Minister is on board with a band,
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Speaker 2: although without saying what did it actually do?
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Speaker 4: I want young Australians to go out playing outside with
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Speaker 4: their friends, off their phones.
25:10
Speaker 2: And onder the footy fields in the netball courts. But
25:15
Speaker 2: you know it sounds lovely, but how practical is this? Parents? Now?
25:19
Speaker 2: Can insist on all that, you know, tell the kids
25:21
Speaker 2: no phone, go and play. I mean, heaven knows how
25:24
Speaker 2: often I said that, and parents who don't care, well,
25:28
Speaker 2: how are these bands going to work with them? Couldn't
25:30
Speaker 2: kids get around any band pretty easily? And I imagine
25:34
Speaker 2: a lot of parents would even say, oh, say get
25:36
Speaker 2: off from the back. Look, here's the phone. You go
25:39
Speaker 2: and play on the internet. Give me some peace. Joining
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Speaker 2: is Trevor Long, a technology commentator who hosts two popular podcasts,
25:45
Speaker 2: The FtM and Two Blokes Talking Tech. Trevor Long, thanks
25:51
Speaker 2: so much for joining me. Look, a ban on children
25:54
Speaker 2: using social media like Twitter and YouTube and TikTok, Facebook
25:58
Speaker 2: or whatever, how would it actually work?
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Speaker 1: That's the biggest question.
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Speaker 10: I think we don't have an answer to, Andrew, and
26:06
Speaker 10: look that the challenge here is that kids don't have
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Speaker 10: ID and kids don't look their age a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of the time.
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Speaker 10: I don't know, if you've been to a young kid's
26:15
Speaker 10: sporting event, kids in one team can look varied ages
26:18
Speaker 10: it but actually be just one age. So if it's
26:21
Speaker 10: going to work, what I hear is it's going to
26:24
Speaker 10: be about computer validation using face identification and things like that.
26:28
Speaker 10: But we haven't seen that ever tested successfully, and so
26:32
Speaker 10: I support the government looking to invest in testing that technology.
26:36
Speaker 10: But unless that can be fool proof, Andrew, there's nothing
26:40
Speaker 10: other than a date of birth and a parent sign
26:42
Speaker 10: off that can validate someone's age.
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Speaker 1: There's plenty of parents.
26:44
Speaker 10: Who will tick that box just to get their kids
26:46
Speaker 10: off their back.
26:49
Speaker 2: Exactly right, exactly right, And of course it'll be the
26:54
Speaker 2: slackest parents. I've done to be too rude to too
26:57
Speaker 2: many people, people that trust their children. But it's exactly
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Speaker 2: the parents that aren't monitoring the social media use to
27:04
Speaker 2: the children responsibly now that would want the children to say, no,
27:08
Speaker 2: you go your hardest, just get off from a back.
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Speaker 10: I mean, that's the problem we have today with technology,
27:16
Speaker 10: with access to the Internet and social media. I get
27:19
Speaker 10: the argument there can be terrible things happen on the
27:22
Speaker 10: internet and terrible consequences. I'm a parent, my youngest is twelve,
27:26
Speaker 10: my oldest is seventeen, and we've had our challenges with
27:28
Speaker 10: social media. But just in our friend group, you know,
27:31
Speaker 10: amongst our kids' friends, there are some kids that are
27:34
Speaker 10: let loose, some that don't have any access, and some
27:38
Speaker 10: that have strict access. And there's vast differences among those kids,
27:42
Speaker 10: and it's about the parenting now. A lot of the
27:44
Speaker 10: parenting is lack of knowledge and insight. So what I
27:47
Speaker 10: believe we should have been discussing all these months is
27:51
Speaker 10: how a government can help parents, How governments can give
27:54
Speaker 10: parents to help, training, education information, because kids will get
27:59
Speaker 10: around them. If kids are drinking at seventeen, even though
28:02
Speaker 10: the laws are eighteen, they're going to be on social
28:04
Speaker 10: media at fifteen, even though the laws are sixteen. That's
28:07
Speaker 10: what kids do. We've all been there. What we need
28:10
Speaker 10: is help and support for parents to have them understand
28:13
Speaker 10: the consequences, have them understand the reasoning, and have them
28:16
Speaker 10: understand how to deal with kids who want this and
28:19
Speaker 10: nag at them, and how to actually, you know, stick
28:22
Speaker 10: by a rule and hold steady on that rule. That's
28:26
Speaker 10: the challenge we've got going forward.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I understand the panic and all that,
28:32
Speaker 2: but I'd say to parents, be good parents number one.
28:36
Speaker 2: And second, the idea that you think, you say, sixteen,
28:39
Speaker 2: that's what most people are talking about, age of sixteen.
28:42
Speaker 2: The idea that you can start fifteen year olds from
28:44
Speaker 2: getting on the internet is a total joke in my view,
28:48
Speaker 2: absolute total joke. It's unrealistic. It's just virtue signaling. But Trevor,
28:54
Speaker 2: you're at the right now, sitting there in Silicon Valley,
28:58
Speaker 2: at the cutting edge of the new technological revolution. You've
29:03
Speaker 2: just been at the launch of the new Apple iPhone sixteen,
29:06
Speaker 2: which is artificial intelligence boosted and will be absolutely catnipped
29:12
Speaker 2: to a lot of kids wanting to explore that as well.
29:16
Speaker 2: What has this phone got that we don't have already?
29:21
Speaker 10: And look, Andrew, just on the correlation between those two topics.
29:24
Speaker 10: If you did give your kids an iPhone, there is
29:27
Speaker 10: strict and great parental controls you can put in place
29:30
Speaker 10: that stop your kids using apps and doing things for
29:32
Speaker 10: certain amounts of time. So again it comes down to
29:35
Speaker 10: learning how to use it. The new iPhone sixteen is
29:38
Speaker 10: very much based around that AI generation. We've got this
29:41
Speaker 10: huge amount of conversation from Samsung, Microsoft, Google, everyone. But
29:45
Speaker 10: what Apple's done differently, Andrew to entice people, I think
29:48
Speaker 10: is to make artificial intelligence useful. So if you have
29:52
Speaker 10: ten emails in your inbox, rather than showing you the
29:55
Speaker 10: first three words of every email, it'll show you a
29:57
Speaker 10: summary of each email.
29:59
Speaker 1: It'll help you.
29:59
Speaker 10: Under st which ones you need to act upon first.
30:02
Speaker 10: It'll help you summarize messages they come to will help
30:05
Speaker 10: you rewrite emails and text messages. So I think Apple
30:09
Speaker 10: might have nailed this, except the problem is it's not
30:11
Speaker 10: coming to Australia, the AI part of this until December.
30:14
Speaker 10: The new phones, though, will be available next week on
30:17
Speaker 10: the twentieth of September.
30:18
Speaker 1: And here's one.
30:19
Speaker 10: They're cheaper than last year.
30:23
Speaker 2: Well gee, that's a bonus. I'll tell you one thing, Trevor.
30:27
Speaker 2: The AI stuff seems to me that will be very
30:30
Speaker 2: useful in helping kids fake an older face and an
30:33
Speaker 2: older identity. That's just me, though, Trevor long, Thank you
30:37
Speaker 2: so much indeed for your time.
30:40
Speaker 1: Cheers Edre.
30:42
Speaker 2: Honestly, can you imagine the government saying we've got a law.
30:46
Speaker 2: If you're fifteen, you can't go on Taylor Swift chat sites,
30:49
Speaker 2: if you're fourteen, you can't go and look your favorite
30:52
Speaker 2: footy teams chat sites. They can't play those little clips
30:56
Speaker 2: of the best mark or whatever. Really, after the break well,
31:01
Speaker 2: we opened our doors. Now refugees and asylum seekers a
31:04
Speaker 2: joining Palastini the extremists the demand ASTRAI disarm at a
31:08
Speaker 2: mass protest tomorrow that is policed scrambling for help. Now,
31:17
Speaker 2: the media has been manipulated about this protest in Melbourne
31:20
Speaker 2: against the weapons exhibition. The protests that we're told tomorrow
31:23
Speaker 2: at Track twenty five thousand angry people will see about that.
31:27
Speaker 2: You're not being told who's really pulling the strings and
31:30
Speaker 2: what they're really after, because this is sinister. About eight
31:35
Speaker 2: hundred exhibitors are going to be at the Landforces International
31:37
Speaker 2: Land Offense Exposition tomorrow to sell the latest weaponry in
31:41
Speaker 2: the world that's suddenly very threatening, with the Russia starting war,
31:44
Speaker 2: Uranian back Hamas terrorists starting a war, China threatening a war,
31:47
Speaker 2: all Tyrannies at war with democracies. Now the protests against
31:51
Speaker 2: this start on the weekend and continue today with some
31:54
Speaker 2: bizarre street theater. But tomorrow's when it's supposed to get serious.
31:58
Speaker 2: There have been posters printed in our bigness are really ominous,
32:01
Speaker 2: and post is printed in English telling people to come
32:04
Speaker 2: stop the exhibition and adding the colony will fall that
32:07
Speaker 2: means Australia. This threat is serious enough that place from
32:11
Speaker 2: New South Wales has been brought in to help the
32:13
Speaker 2: Victorian force. But what are these protests really after? I
32:18
Speaker 2: don't think it's peace and a world without weapons and
32:21
Speaker 2: fluffy kittens for a start. Look at the countries they
32:24
Speaker 2: want disarmed. They are all democracies. They want Australia to militarize.
32:29
Speaker 2: The organizer's website backed by dozens of Palestinian, Marxist and
32:32
Speaker 2: radical Green groups, as a video naming the other enemies,
32:35
Speaker 2: including Israel and the United States.
32:39
Speaker 11: The weapons makers are landforces bring enhanced letality to the
32:43
Speaker 11: nation states of the world, including Israel, Australia, Indonesia, the Philippines,
32:48
Speaker 11: and world leaders in genocide the US and AA.
32:54
Speaker 2: Or look at the listed speakers of tomorrow's protest Declan
32:57
Speaker 2: Firber Gillick, who identifies as Aboriginal, is all the Unions
33:00
Speaker 2: for Palestine, Natalie Farah, a Palaestini Syrian refugee, at Off Mora,
33:05
Speaker 2: a Papuoun asylum seeker, the founder of a hard left
33:07
Speaker 2: Tamil refugee group, and Nassa Mashni, an extremist's father, a
33:11
Speaker 2: Palatinian Muslim militant, came here calaiming to be a Christian refugee.
33:16
Speaker 2: Looking at them, I'm thinking we took in refugees and
33:18
Speaker 2: asylum seekers and we get this. This is how we're
33:21
Speaker 2: repaid threatened protests and people that Natalie Pharah who wants
33:26
Speaker 2: to spoo astrade from the one ally who can help
33:28
Speaker 2: defend us in war.
33:30
Speaker 1: Do we really need to be.
33:34
Speaker 12: Do we need to be collaborating with the US and
33:36
Speaker 12: continuing to supply weapons in.
33:39
Speaker 2: This protests group? Have I seen one calling for hamas
33:41
Speaker 2: we disarmed, Russia to be demilitarized China, Iran? Not one
33:46
Speaker 2: tyranny is attacked like these protests. They are attacking Israel,
33:50
Speaker 2: Australia and the US joined mister panel. Will Kingston hosts
33:54
Speaker 2: of Fire at Will, a podcast from The Spectator on
33:57
Speaker 2: politics and culture. Ascarney's host that Nika the Georgia Will.
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Speaker 2: What does this protest tell you?
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Speaker 12: Well, I think there's a simple explanation and a deeper explanation, Andrew.
34:09
Speaker 12: The simple explanation is that these protesters are idiots and
34:13
Speaker 12: they fail to recognize that if you take weapons away
34:16
Speaker 12: from the good guys, the bad guys can do what
34:18
Speaker 12: they want. It's called deterrence, and it's been a pretty
34:21
Speaker 12: basic geo political principle for centuries and centuries. But the
34:25
Speaker 12: deeper reason, and I take your point and I agree
34:27
Speaker 12: with your point around immigration, but I think the majority
34:30
Speaker 12: of these protesters would probably be born in Australia, and
34:33
Speaker 12: they're the ones that I'm really concerned about because we
34:36
Speaker 12: have taught that generation for over twenty years to hate
34:40
Speaker 12: their country. They no longer know who are the good
34:43
Speaker 12: guys or who are the bad guys anymore. And this
34:45
Speaker 12: is why the culture wars Matt aroundrew, the Australia Days stuff,
34:48
Speaker 12: the Black arm Man view of history, the Voice debate,
34:51
Speaker 12: which I think still lingers. These are all debates which
34:54
Speaker 12: aren't happening as an abstraction. They teach you that Australia
34:57
Speaker 12: is no longer the good guys, and therefore these to
35:00
Speaker 12: protest are justifiable. That's why we need to be stronger
35:03
Speaker 12: on the right in having these sorts of debates, because
35:06
Speaker 12: the outcome of not being strong in these debates is
35:08
Speaker 12: you see idiots like this having these protests and getting
35:11
Speaker 12: them morality all out of work, yes.
35:15
Speaker 2: And particularly preaching disaffection with Australia to marginalize groups on
35:21
Speaker 2: the margins, like.
35:23
Speaker 1: Printing in Arabic.
35:24
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, Danika, what do you make of this?
35:28
Speaker 1: Well?
35:28
Speaker 7: I think that there are people in these organizations that
35:31
Speaker 7: hate Australia, hate Australians, want to tear down our values,
35:35
Speaker 7: want to tear down the very fibers that make this
35:37
Speaker 7: country great. They hate our democratic nation and they are
35:41
Speaker 7: trying to divide us with this rhetoric calling for the
35:45
Speaker 7: bringing down of the colony. It's actually really offensive to
35:49
Speaker 7: Australians like myself who are proud and love this country.
35:54
Speaker 7: And a lot of these people Andrew they hop from
35:56
Speaker 7: one protest to another. I mean you showed the list
35:59
Speaker 7: of all the different groups that were there. There's every
36:02
Speaker 7: man and their dog going to this protest. This is
36:04
Speaker 7: what they're arguing tomorrow, next week, it'll be climate change
36:07
Speaker 7: something else the week after. And they're quite frankly disgraceful.
36:12
Speaker 7: And if any of these people hate the country want
36:16
Speaker 7: to disarm us, well I would suggest to them go
36:18
Speaker 7: to Gaza, go to Russia, go to Iran, go to
36:21
Speaker 7: the places that should be demilitarized, and will send you
36:25
Speaker 7: on your merry way off you go.
36:28
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I suspect a lot of those groups are actually fronts
36:31
Speaker 2: for the usual suspects from socialist in terms of socialist alliance.
36:35
Speaker 2: Both Marxist groups, by the way, how unlucky is David Spears,
36:40
Speaker 2: And I don't mean the ABC journalist, thanks guy, but
36:43
Speaker 2: the South Australian Liberal MP who last week quit his
36:46
Speaker 2: opposition leader. There's a video of him now sniffing some
36:50
Speaker 2: white powder at his home on June thirty. It could
36:53
Speaker 2: actually be milk powder. Let's not jump to any conclusions,
36:56
Speaker 2: he says, though the video is a deep fake out
36:59
Speaker 2: office generated to look like him.
37:03
Speaker 11: No way did.
37:06
Speaker 1: I certainly did not.
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Speaker 12: That is very troubling.
37:10
Speaker 2: Now the advertised newspaper actually got into technology expertience says,
37:14
Speaker 2: see no evidence of digital manipulation. So we're not suggesting
37:17
Speaker 2: this anything that David Spears did wrong, or that the
37:22
Speaker 2: white powder is illegal. We don't say that.
37:24
Speaker 1: We don't know, but.
37:26
Speaker 2: Will shouldn't he at least report this dreadful fakery to
37:30
Speaker 2: the police, this digitally enhanced video, he says, if we
37:34
Speaker 2: know the reasons, stop people thinking it really is him
37:37
Speaker 2: that we saw.
37:39
Speaker 12: Well, if he's innocent, of course he should. I've got
37:41
Speaker 12: no idea if that's real or not. And that's exactly
37:44
Speaker 12: the problem. I think this may be one of the
37:46
Speaker 12: biggest risks that society faces today. And I don't think
37:50
Speaker 12: we're really talking about it. Some of these deep fake
37:52
Speaker 12: videos are now so good that you can't really tell
37:55
Speaker 12: the difference between reality and what is not real. And
37:59
Speaker 12: think about how that plays out in politics, Andrew. If
38:01
Speaker 12: a politician does do something really bad, they've now got
38:04
Speaker 12: an easy get out of jail card, which is, oh,
38:07
Speaker 12: it's just a deep fake. And if a politician is innocent,
38:10
Speaker 12: increasingly you will see these types of videos coming out
38:12
Speaker 12: trying to smear them. In both cases, this completely erodes,
38:17
Speaker 12: if it's even possible, trust in our political institutions. I
38:21
Speaker 12: think this is a really huge problem for our democracy
38:25
Speaker 12: going forward, and I don't think we fully appreciate just
38:28
Speaker 12: how cataclysmic it could be.
38:32
Speaker 2: It's true, I think there. I think he actually has
38:34
Speaker 2: a public duty, Danika, to report this fake video to
38:39
Speaker 2: the police, because so we do need to stamp this
38:42
Speaker 2: sort of stuff out if that's what's happened.
38:46
Speaker 7: Absolutely, and we've seen images of well known media personalities
38:49
Speaker 7: and celebrities. They've been brushed with the same artificial intelligence
38:56
Speaker 7: brush as well, Andrew, and it puts them in very
38:59
Speaker 7: difficult position. Have shown them being arrested, shown them doing drugs,
39:03
Speaker 7: and all sorts of things. And it is a really
39:05
Speaker 7: really big problem. So if this MP who is claiming
39:08
Speaker 7: that this is a deep fake and a hoax, absolutely
39:11
Speaker 7: report it.
39:12
Speaker 11: And it's becoming.
39:13
Speaker 7: Really, really difficult to be able to tell the truth
39:15
Speaker 7: from what is a lie.
39:17
Speaker 1: It's virtually impossible.
39:18
Speaker 7: Even before I came on here, I was looking on
39:21
Speaker 7: X on Twitter and they had a lot of AI images.
39:24
Speaker 7: You just don't know these days. So absolutely it is
39:27
Speaker 7: a problem as a society in the world that it's
39:30
Speaker 7: not regulated and you don't know what's the truth and
39:33
Speaker 7: what's not.
39:35
Speaker 2: That's absolutely true. I've seen deep fake videos of me
39:38
Speaker 2: selling all sorts of wild financial schemes with celebrities around
39:42
Speaker 2: the world. You don't know anymore, will King sind Niki
39:45
Speaker 2: di Giorgio, thank you so much to you both. After
39:49
Speaker 2: the break talking about highly controlled videos is one from
39:52
Speaker 2: Catherine Princess of Wales to tell us she's all right,
39:56
Speaker 2: but is that the real message? Plus the ABC tell
39:58
Speaker 2: us it's audienced something shocked about our boss and actually
40:01
Speaker 2: doesn't surprise me at all. Catherine Princess of Wales has
40:10
Speaker 2: been seen publicly only a couple of times since being
40:12
Speaker 2: diagnosed with some form of cancer LUs December and now,
40:17
Speaker 2: rather than give an interview or a speech on how
40:19
Speaker 2: she's gone, just put out a highly produced video which
40:21
Speaker 2: includes her family and over the footage she narrated this message.
40:32
Speaker 13: As a summer comes to an end, I cannot tell
40:34
Speaker 13: you what a relief it is to have finally completed
40:37
Speaker 13: my chemotherapy treatment. The last nine months have been incredibly
40:42
Speaker 13: tough for us as a family. The cancer journey is complex,
40:46
Speaker 13: scary and unpredictable for everyone, especially those closest to you.
40:54
Speaker 13: With humility, it also brings you face to face with
40:57
Speaker 13: your own vulnerabilities in a way you've never considered before.
41:03
Speaker 13: I'm with that a new perspective on everything. This time has,
41:07
Speaker 13: above all, reminded William and me to reflect and be
41:11
Speaker 13: grateful for the simple yet important things in life, and
41:15
Speaker 13: so many of us often take for granted of simply
41:18
Speaker 13: loving and being loved.
41:21
Speaker 2: Joining me is Sophie Ellsworth, media writer for The Australian.
41:26
Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth, thanks for your time. What was this very
41:30
Speaker 2: highly produced video meant to achieve and do you think
41:33
Speaker 2: it worked.
41:36
Speaker 9: Well?
41:36
Speaker 1: Andrew?
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Speaker 3: It's a three minute video that really takes a look
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Speaker 3: at where Princess Catherine is at now she's finished her
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Speaker 3: cancer treatment, and it shows a lot of footage of
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Speaker 3: her with her husband and three children, even shows her
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Speaker 3: parents in this video. It's really to give people hope,
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Speaker 3: I think, and show that she is well and truly
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Speaker 3: on the mend, and she speaks in the video how
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Speaker 3: she wants to get back to her royal duty soon.
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Speaker 3: We still don't know what sort of cancer Princess Catherine had,
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Speaker 3: but I think the idea of the video is to
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Speaker 3: send a message out to the world that she is okay,
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Speaker 3: she's well and truly on the mend, and she wants
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Speaker 3: to get back to life as normal as possible as
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Speaker 3: soon as she can.
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Speaker 2: It's just that it's so so produced, so scripted, swelling music,
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Speaker 2: the whole thing, nothing left to chance. That I wonder
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Speaker 2: exactly how fit and ready she is to resume duties.
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Speaker 2: That's all. That she didn't risk an interview that could
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Speaker 2: be tiring or trip her up. I don't know, but anyway,
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Speaker 2: it's an interesting way to present herself to the world.
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Speaker 2: To the ABC new chairman Kim Williams is quite rightly
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Speaker 2: and I think courageously in every meaning of that word,
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Speaker 2: told ABC stuff. They've got to stop being biased and
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Speaker 2: boy are they biased. No bias on the taxpayer funded
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Speaker 2: national broadcaster, he said, been quite firm about it. But
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Sophie, some staff seem to get
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Speaker 2: a pass to be as biased as they like. And
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Speaker 2: one is Breakfast Tevie host Bridget Brennan, who identifies as
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal and repeatedly campaigned on air for Labour's Voice, including
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Speaker 2: on Australia Day. Here she is.
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Speaker 14: Remember that it always was, always will be Abriginal Land.
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Speaker 2: And last week, Sophie you wrote about this in The
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Speaker 2: Australian she was at it yet again, interviewing Thomas Mayo,
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Speaker 2: who was a Voice campaigner. Here she is and with
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Speaker 2: him the.
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Speaker 14: Last time you here, I was in the kind of
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Speaker 14: final weeks before the referendum, which was just like as
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Speaker 14: an Indigenous person, it was just an insane time. I
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Speaker 14: just reflect on it and think it feels like we've
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Speaker 14: almost had whiplash since then.
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Speaker 2: Now, how come Bridget Brennan gets away with her bus
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Speaker 2: when many others at the airBC would not.
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Speaker 3: Well, it seems that there's rules at the ABC for
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Speaker 3: some and rules for others. Andrew, but the ABC editorial
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Speaker 3: policies say that their reporters must be impartial. Now, Bridget
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Speaker 3: Brennan appears to be giving her own opinion on her
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Speaker 3: thoughts of how the voice eventuated and the aftermath of it.
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Speaker 3: So is this a news presentation or is this an
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Speaker 3: opinion program that they're running. And I've seen this time
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Speaker 3: and time again at the ABC as you have Andrew,
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Speaker 3: where these journalists inject their own personal views on the
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Speaker 3: taxpayer funded broadcaster and there's no repercussions. And Kim Williams
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Speaker 3: has made it clear since he began its chair in
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Speaker 3: March that he does not want to see this. But
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Speaker 3: time and time again, when I go to the ABC
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Speaker 3: and ask them about these sorts of comments, they pretty
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Speaker 3: much usually back up their journalists and say nothing to
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Speaker 3: see here.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I think if someone had opine on the ABC,
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Speaker 2: one of the staffers about how much they opposed the
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Speaker 2: voice made a fuss of their racial background and then
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Speaker 2: said how delighted they were that the voice had gone down,
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Speaker 2: they'd be out in their ear. I don't think it'd
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Speaker 2: be just a reprimand to be the boot. I must
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Speaker 2: say the ABC's audience will have got a shock last night,
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Speaker 2: a shock with a stunning revelation. The Australian story started
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Speaker 2: last night, a three part series on our Boss, Lachlan
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Speaker 2: Murdoch Repres elder Son, and I think what will disappoint
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Speaker 2: the ABC viewers, the Murdock hatters among them, is that
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Speaker 2: even though Lachlan's refused to be interviewed for this three
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Speaker 2: part series, the old footage they used in the interviews
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Speaker 2: they had showed him as I know him to be
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Speaker 2: a shy but serious and quite moral guy. As his
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Speaker 2: former university supervisor, for instance, agreed if he is.
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Speaker 8: He was a quite striking presence in class. Although rather quiet,
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Speaker 8: he was very intense, very thoughtful, very kind. But my
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Speaker 8: impression is that he was rather isolated as a student
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Speaker 8: because of his interest in rock climbing.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't a question. I tended to leave everything in
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Speaker 1: the last minutes.
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Speaker 8: My own impression is that his interest in ethics was
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Speaker 8: mainly related to making himself the best person he could be.
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Speaker 2: Now, just to prove Sophie that I can be honest
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Speaker 2: about the murders, I can insult some to their face
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Speaker 2: because I don't care. They can sack me and I
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Speaker 2: don't mind anymore, not at my age. I think his
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Speaker 2: brother James Murdock is a sanctimonious leftist strawing New scoop
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Speaker 2: if you ever got his hands all over it. But
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Speaker 2: I do have a lot of respect for Lachlan. But
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Speaker 2: how does the ABC get away with showing its audience,
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Speaker 2: at least in part one? We don't know what it's
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Speaker 2: Scott in mind for two and three that he is
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Speaker 2: a decent guy.
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Speaker 1: Well with interesting.
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Speaker 3: Andrew watching this on Monday night, you know it did
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Speaker 3: portray him in a very good light, which would probably
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Speaker 3: surprise some ABC viewers.
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Speaker 9: But there are.
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Speaker 3: Two more episodes to go on this, and look, it
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Speaker 3: is difficult to do a three part series on a
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Speaker 3: person when you are not interviewing them and don't have
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Speaker 3: recent footage or recent interviews with them.
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Speaker 11: That makes it difficult.
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Speaker 3: But it'll be interesting to see what come in the
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Speaker 3: next two episodes. But I loved watching some of the
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Speaker 3: old footage Andrew throughout Lachland's younger years. I thought some
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Speaker 3: of it was very good and really interesting insight into
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Speaker 3: him as a younger man. But there are still two
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Speaker 3: episodes to go.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I know that's the hazards of trying to do
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Speaker 2: showing an intro for it it's not much material to
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Speaker 2: work with if he really pulls himself into a shell,
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Speaker 2: but I'll be interested. See he'll be under a lot
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Speaker 2: of pressure Paddy Manning who did that, to do something
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Speaker 2: dirty on the Murdocks, But so far no diice. Sophie Ellsworth,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much indeed for your time.
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Speaker 1: Thrank you Andrew.
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Speaker 2: Tomorrow I'll have a stunning exclusive about information I have
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Speaker 2: learned about a court case used to ban two of
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Speaker 2: my articles and damn me as a Nazi. Don't miss it.
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Speaker 2: That's it from me now, Sherry markson good note,