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EDP9: Eoin returns / BALLARAT PREVIEW / Boston results / London preview · Easy Double podcast

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  Music. Hello and welcome back to the
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  Easy Double Podcast, episode 9. I'm joined this week by two
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  guests, the one who's been here for the past two weeks, Dean
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  Menzies. How are you?
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  Good. Thanks mate, Yep not doing well.
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  Enjoying the extra long weekend for me.
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  Closing in now, what are we t -? 5 days?
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  Six days? Let's not think about it.
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  That's it. It's coming up fast.
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  And we have the returning wanderer, the Irish Traveller.
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  He's been up north, he's been down South.
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  It's been the tent, it's been the campervan.
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  No air con. You survived.
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  Welcome back, Owen. Hello lads, how are you guys
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  doing? Doing well.
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  Good mate. Guess you've you're a little bit
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  more cultured now. You've been up North Queensland,
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  seen some things. Yeah, I've seen some crocodiles,
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  seen some dingoes and they've seen a sea lion down in our
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  sprints. So yeah, I've seen a lot in the
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  last two weeks. Things you can get up to when
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  you're and you forget that running isn't quite everything
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  in my thing. Literally.
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  Literally. Yeah.
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  I enjoyed my annual leave, but now I'm ready to get back into
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  the running, to be honest. And that's it.
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  Yeah, and just a welcome to the listeners to join us on this
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  final episode before the Ballarat Marathon this weekend.
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  Hopefully we're going to go through some Boston results from
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  last night. We're going to preview what
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  London might look like, go through the fields there, who
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  we're going to be keen to follow.
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  And we're going to hand the reins over to Owen to do a bit
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  of AQA for myself and Dean ahead of the race in terms of what our
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  preps look like, maybe what our goals are, what the taper looks
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  like, and just whatever else Owen's going to come up with.
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  The we've got a bit of a shoe watch because there's been a few
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  exciting new releases in the shoe space recently.
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  Owen's going to take us through that.
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  And then we're going to fire through some listener questions.
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  So let's get into it then. Boston Marathon last night, I
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  know we shared the link on the story.
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  How did you guys get on trying to watch that one?
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  Yeah, I watched the first, I want to say 20 kilometers, and
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  then it was getting a bit late and I got tired.
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  So as soon as that John career sort of made that break, I was
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  like, OK, nobody's catching this guy, I'll just go to bed and get
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  the results in the morning. But yeah, I like just judging by
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  the crowds, like it looked unbelievable, like it'd be like
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  an unbelievable race to run. And but yeah, what do you think?
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  Think. Yeah, I was funny.
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  I was pretty similar in terms of I conked out around halfway I
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  think in terms of I just fell asleep.
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  But it was cool in terms of the the pack, like what was there
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  about 16 guys in the lead pack and there was sort of that
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  included like a couple of Americans and Aussie and the
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  Canadian, which was good. So it wasn't just entirely
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  dominated by East Africans, which was, which was, which was
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  cool and it was fast, which I thought was, which was exciting
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  because you're sort of, they were sort of on track for some
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  pretty quick times, albeit that the second-half I think's a bit
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  Hillier. Probably the difficult part was
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  it's sort of you sort of don't get to follow the race in its
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  entirety. You know, it sort of cuts away
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  between like the around that time sort of from about 15 KS
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  through to maybe 25 KS. Like the, the wheelies are sort
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  of front and center at the same time.
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  And it's sort of it's hard because you got 4 races all
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  running at the same time and you sort of you sort of don't want
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  to, you sort of know it like an attack is going to be made at
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  some point. You don't want to miss it.
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  But you sort of they don't do a great job of split screening or
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  letting you sort of peel off just to see what's going on in
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  all the races at the same time. So sort of made it a little bit
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  hard to follow because they were trying to do each race justice,
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  but you can't do them when they're all sort of exciting and
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  parallel. So that was the only difficult
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  part. But that stream was a good
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  quality stream given and that otherwise we you had to what,
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  pay for a flow track subscription in order to watch
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  it. So yeah, that was just a couple
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  of my thoughts. Yeah, I was the same.
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  So I felt like you could, you could see what they were trying
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  to do by giving like the male wheelchair some airtime, the
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  female wheelchair some airtime, the lads elite and the women
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  elite. But yeah, it was just, they
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  literally were switching like every freaking like 5 minutes.
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  And then when the wheelchair is finished, then I sort of
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  concentrate obviously more on the running.
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  But yeah, it was just annoying at the start.
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  But like you can't sort of complain because that's sort of
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  what you, what you want. Like give everyone want a little
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  bit of airtime. Exactly.
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  Yeah, it was annoying though, except that got the other a car
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  up with the lead packed and then they let you had a guy like
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  commentating from the back of that lead car watching it all
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  unfold. And you see in at first when
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  they went to him, you're like, shit, this is going to be like
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  some very good coverage if he's literally just there analyzing
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  all these moves as they're happening.
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  And I mean, they hardly went to and really did they went when it
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  started breaking up like whatever it was 2530 K.
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  But then flicking back doing charity interviews and you're
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  like, come on, I want to know what like this guy's splitting
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  up front and see who's dropping and stuff.
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  But yeah, so that's when I fell asleep as well, to be fair,
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  because like saying to DNLE, you have so much excitement to watch
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  it and like you've got these back stories of Clayton Young,
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  Connor Manse and Rory Linklater and stuff.
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  So you feel like you've got a bit of AI mean they don't know
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  that you've got you think you've got a relationship with these
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  athletes, but you know what I mean?
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  You've you've followed their journey And then yeah, you're
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  basically all you're buzzed about is what the finishing time
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  was because you don't know kind of how it's unfolded there.
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  And then unfortunately and. Even like that.
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  Goes. With who was Pat Tiernan?
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  At one stage he was up at the front, then a cut off to
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  something else. And then the next time you see
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  them, he's like out the back, like jogging, like, yeah, he's
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  just totally lost, Like, oh, what happened there?
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  No, they've done the best they got, I think.
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  How good does he look, by the way?
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  Because he for a big guy, he just looks like he's absolutely
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  jogging. So when he was up the front, he
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  looked like he was cruising and then he looks exactly the same
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  once he'd been spat off the back, but he still goes on to
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  run. What?
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  I mean, we need to actually say what the results were in a
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  minute. But Patty and he finished 11th
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  in a 208 and it looked like he like kind of had a bit of a
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  difficult time once he came off the back of the passport.
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  Clearly he held on incredibly strongly.
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  One for those taller runners out there.
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  Yeah, inspiration for us giraffes.
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  Yeah, exactly. I know the.
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  Thing and so let's let's do the results.
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  Then we had John Korea of Kenya. I think is it you as Kenyan
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  athlete, One in two O 445. So he made his move 2530 K maybe
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  just before the hills did me and just basically got rid of
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  everyone else. So don't know if they
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  deliberately didn't go or they just physically couldn't.
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  But once he gapped them, that was it.
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  Alfonse Simbu in second in two O 5 O four.
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  And yeah, they had a bit of a Sprint finish to the line for
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  2nd and 3rd, but Cibrian Kotut was 2O5O4 as well.
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  They just got rid the Connor Man Sees Forth and 2/05/08.
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  So they were like a group of three when they for a while all
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  battling out for the podium positions and it came down to
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  the very end. Unfortunately, Mr. Months got
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  the short straw there, Mr. Podium.
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  And then the other interesting finish was Rory Linklater.
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  The Canadian and Clayton Young had a bit of a battle coming up
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  towards the final stretch and Rory Linklater just got the
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  better album to finish in 6th. And I think what I've seen a
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  clip of Clayton today saying Rory pulled up alongside him,
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  whatever it was about a case ago and he said to him, let's time
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  go. So that's pretty cool.
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  That's good. I feel like like that Rory link
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  letter, did he, did he run Maragami or something around?
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  He was in Japan around that time, wasn't he?
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  He. Ran.
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  Yeah, he ran it. And I don't think he ran as well
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  as what he raced just on the weekend, did he?
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  So this was like a pretty, I don't know if you call it a
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  breakthrough, but a pretty impressive performance because I
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  don't, I mean, he certainly didn't place as high as Clayton
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  Young in the in the Olympic city.
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  No, but is there a new coach now all?
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  Right. Same sponsor though, hey?
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  So yeah, still piano. Yeah, and were they both Pat and
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  Rory in the new Puma shoes? Yeah, and what was it, Rory?
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  And Rory, Connor Manson, Clayton Young, they all went to that BYU
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  school in America. So if we flick to the women's, I
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  mean, we would have seen as much of this as we would the men's,
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  but I guess it was a group of them.
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  Was it 5 of them and then eventually 4 And I, I fell
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  asleep. I didn't see the finish of that.
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  But Sharon one in 2/17/22 from Helen O'berry, who I think was
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  potentially the favorite because she was on for the hat trick,
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  the three piece. So she had won in the past two
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  years back-to-back and she ran 21741, which I think is actually
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  the quickest time she's run there, despite the fact she's
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  won it twice before. And then there was a British
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  woman, Kali Thackery, who was also at Maragami, ran 2/22/38
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  down in 6th. So she's actually the second
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  fastest Brit of all time behind Paula Radcliffe.
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  So I think she's potentially the, well, not the next big
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  thing she is, she's already the big thing the.
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  Interest you want Sharon Lochetti and Hung Weary.
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  They actually trained together so they're actually like mates
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  outside of running as on school. They were saying, I think there
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  was a few elbows. Yeah, that Kelly Tucker, she ran
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  Maragami as well, did she? Yeah, she she'd be busy.
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  She ran 6658 I think. The the women's winner, I think
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  like Helen O'bury and sort of beating her in a Sprint the last
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  few times up until the most their most recent encounter,
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  right? And so I think the thought was
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  that Helen had gone back to is it Nairobi or something and done
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  a big training block. And that's what a coach was
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  saying. And so it was maybe tipped to be
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  in shape to get it done. But yeah, it was good racing.
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  It's always a good finish that sort of, you know, it's like
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  slightly uphill sort of finish is always makes for a good
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  spectacle. I think that Chairman Okelli 1,
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  she's after running best and like like four or five Times Now
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  and she's finished. She's never finished blow for
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  something crazy like that. Yeah, yeah.
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  Course specialist. Well, Speaking of how good Pat
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  Tennan looked, when I was watching Helen O'berry, I was
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  like, shit, she looks like she's in trouble because her elbows
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  are everywhere and she's almost going sideways across the road
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  as much as she is forwards. But it's clearly very efficient
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  for her, which doesn't look very good.
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  Feel like Paula Radcliffe looks like it burning a lot more
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  energy than someone like Pat Tiernan, but obviously works.
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  So that is, did we have anything else trying to think maybe
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  there's some other talking points about Boston.
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  So I thought the coverage. Yeah, I think, I mean, the the
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  guys were in those new shoes, weren't they?
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  The Puma athletes, which we might talk about later.
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  Yeah, it would be nice to get a get a feel for what they thought
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  of them. And actually the two lads who
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  came second and third were in the new Adidas Evo 2, so that
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  really light one that you use in a marathon, once they're in the
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  second version of that, apparently it's cool.
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  It's funny isn't it, Because you see those photos of like the
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  shoes people were wearing on the podiums of major marathons and
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  stuff. And it genuinely does influence
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  how you think. Because I looked at that one,
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  the guy who won had ASICS on and then second and third were in
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  the Adidas as you just said. And it made me think, shit, no
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  ones wearing alpha flies there. But like, I feel when, when the
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  Super shoes first came out, like everything was around Nike,
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  wasn't it? They were like leading the
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  market. But now all the brands have got
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  a super shoe that they can offer and they're all very similar.
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  But it's purely down to like what's most economical for you.
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  So like, all three of us could genuinely suit a different brand
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  of shoe, wouldn't we? Yeah, you've got to test them,
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  got to buy them all, unfortunately.
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  You know, when I was looking at the the history of Boston or
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  like the past winners, I've seen a guy on there and I knew this
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  already called Jeff Smith. And he used, he used to run for
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  Liverpool Harriers and he won Boston back-to-back in 84 and
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  85. In between, Salzar won it in 82
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  and Robert De Costello won it in 86.
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  And this guy from Liverpool Harriers won it twice in
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  between. It's pretty mental.
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  So between him and Johnny Miller, who's doing London,
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  another British athlete who runs for these new bounce Manchester,
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  but his club potentially as Liverpool Harry's as well.
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  I don't think I'll ever be getting anywhere near any area
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  records, unfortunately. You.
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  Never know. Need some more development and
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  super shoes I think so then we've got running news is quite
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  light so we're going to talk about London and what's upcoming
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  there. The unfortunate thing is, as
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  we've had the past, I think it was over the weekend it was
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  announced, wasn't it the two major withdrawals and Perez
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  chapter chair who's the reigning London champion and Olympic gold
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  medalist, she's withdrawn due to an ankle injury.
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  And then the girl who brings so much hype and talk and
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  discussion around every Chapman, Chapman, get it, the current
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  world record holder and sub 210 from Chicago last year, she's
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  withdrawn due to not being in the right place mentally, which
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  I don't know. I am fair from that that there's
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  a lot of pressure on her to run very close to 210 again because
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  of all, I don't know if you call them accusations or discussions
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  around the legitimacy of her Chicago run.
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  And she's obviously ran a 10K and a half marathon since, which
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  people have highlighted don't stack up anywhere near a 210
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  marathon. So that's a shame.
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  I find it annoying because like, like, like going by how right
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  she's pulled out 210 and her last few races have been
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  absolute mock. So it's like she was taking the
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  drugs and now she's like there's all hype around her, so she's
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  cut off them basically. I don't know.
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  Yeah, it's annoying. Got the e-mail through about
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  make sure you're around after the race because anti dope and
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  they'll be there and she's got no yeah, I'm withdrawing.
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  Thank you. But the field is still pretty
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  insane. You've got a SEFA who's ran
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  21153. So is that right, 21153 yeah,
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  yeah. You've won Berlin in 22 and 23,
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  and 2nd in London in 24 and silver in Paris.
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  You've got Stefan Hassan. Obviously her reputation kind of
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  goes before her, but she's run 230 in 44.
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  She won three medals in Paris and she's won London and Chicago
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  in 23. And then there's like the kind
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  of the unknown African people who aren't like quite at the top
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  just kind of get passed by, don't they?
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  So there's like this four of that African women who are sub
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  220 still. And then you've got an American
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  girl who I haven't heard of it before, Susanna Sullivan, she's
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  run 22156. And then from a British point of
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  view, you've got Charlotte Perdue who's been knocking
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  around for a little while, been in and out of Olympic teams run
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  222, Seagal, Rose Harvey 223, Philly Bowden who's got a big
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  presence on YouTube 225. And then Irish Mccolgan who's
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  the national record holder over 5010 thousand and a half
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  marathon making their debut. So the field is still pretty
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  exciting. You'd wonder why your own Cali
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  tackery didn't do like her home race like London and pick Boston
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  when realistic like that Boston time you can't even count it
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  towards anything because it's in that downhill course if you
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  think she get more money running in London.
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  Yeah, that doesn't make yeah, unless there was some sort of
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  connection like a, you know, agent had a connection with the
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  race. So she got a good appearance fee
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  or maybe she's had the option to race London in the past and
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  wanted a different challenge. But the natural option you would
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  think would be would be would be London for sure do.
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  You know if she trains with a group I.
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  Don't know much about I. Think she's based in the US?
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  Well, then, that's probably why. Like, did you see that guy
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  Charles Hicks? He's been in the NCAA system for
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  a while, hasn't he? And he's changing allegiance to
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  be a US representative, isn't he?
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  Is he? Yeah.
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  Because he would have won them, you would have won European
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  cross country there a couple years ago and done that.
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  The A1 or the under €23 across a few, a couple?
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  Of times, I think, yeah. So he ran this, he ran this 10
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  mile the other week and he posted like something along the
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  lines of it being an unofficial national record because he
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  hasn't got his nationality recognized yet and he's still
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  subject to approval as to whether it will count, I think
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  towards the US 10 mile record. But I think he as well, he, he's
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  chosen to, to represent the US due to problems or lack of
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  support or whatever from British athletics, which kind of says a
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  lot in itself. And maybe that's why Carly
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  Thackery, that's where where I'm linking it to is choosing to do
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  these US based races because she's kind of been based over
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  there for a while. So maybe she doesn't get the
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  same offers from London as some of the like British based
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  athletes do. So she's just choosing to settle
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  over there. It's sort of like the same
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  situation with the soccer players who have like English
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  grandparents. They all just use Ireland for
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  like the underage and then when they get half decent they just
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  go to England because they've got a chance of winning so.
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  And I don't think we covered it. Did Ben O'Connor make an
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  announcement about pulling out of the national team?
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  Because it was going to be. Was it?
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  He had to fund his own trip like British Athletics weren't going
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  to tip in the cost to cover his travel or expenses related to
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  was it world champs or something?
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  That European Rd. Yeah, I think it was, yeah.
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  There's European road running. What was that?
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  The one what's just been with Alfie Mann?
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  Alfie Mann. Thor ran.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah.
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  I mean, that was like people were not criticizing him, but
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  saying like, Oh yeah, it's easy for you to do because you've got
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  like so many vests. But I don't think that's why
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  he's doing it. He's doing it more so from like
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  coming from a good place, isn't he trying to set a precedent
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  that athletes should not have to cover their own costs?
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  That should come from like BA in the first instance, British
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  Athletics or the athlete sponsor.
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  But then the fact that people end up wearing the vest in his
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  place anyway just kind of undermines his, umm, his
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  efforts. Unfortunately.
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  I wouldn't going back to your Irish grandparents or English
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  grandparents think, who is it? Who's it's Grealish isn't it?
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  He's hated for it. And there's a.
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  Couple of others at the minute. Declan Rice, Yeah.
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  Yeah, like we'd actually be half decent if all them boys play for
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  Ireland, but. Yeah, I had no idea they were
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  Irish, man. Yeah, they represent was it.
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  Yeah, I wouldn't mind. Declan Rice played a senior
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  international friendly for Ireland and then a couple of
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  weeks later but because there was a friendly it didn't count
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  as a cap and then he went over to to England.
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  Wasn't crazy. I think is it like the guy the
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  like Rice and green Leicester? They were born in England but
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  then maybe when they're younger they're not at like the
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  forefront of England's books, so they find some sort of Irish
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  connection to get into the national team.
• 19:57
  Then they come really good and they're like, I want to play for
• 20:00
  England because they can. That's it, like they actually
• 20:02
  sound English, like they are English but they've like Irish
• 20:06
  grandparents so they use Irish for the underage system and then
• 20:09
  when they get half decent. But I wouldn't mind Ireland.
• 20:12
  Played England there a couple of I think it was a couple of
• 20:14
  months ago now. And then who scores rice and
• 20:17
  greenish? So there's killings of the game.
• 20:21
  Right, That like, yeah, anyway, we'll leave football.
• 20:26
  This is different subjects altogether, isn't it?
• 20:29
  Getting back to London to talk about the men's field, because
• 20:33
  this has a lot of significance. We've got Jacob Kaplimo making
• 20:38
  his marathon debut who's the half marathon controversial
• 20:42
  world record holder who ran 5642 in Barcelona, which for context
• 20:48
  is obscenely fast and potentially points towards, and
• 20:52
  he have a dip at the two hours barrier.
• 20:55
  That's what all the talk has been since he ran that, hasn't
• 20:58
  it? You've got I'll just run through
• 21:00
  the field and then you can offer me your thoughts or opinions.
• 21:03
  You've got Alexandra Moussao, who's also referred to as
• 21:07
  Munyao. He's the reigning champion.
• 21:09
  He's run 203 eleven before. You've got Kip Chogi, whose
• 21:13
  reputation goes before him again.
• 21:15
  He's the second fastest all time, two time gold marathon,
• 21:19
  gold medal in the marathon in Tokyo and Rio.
• 21:22
  He's won Berlin five times. He's won London four times,
• 21:26
  Tokyo and Chicago, so like people I don't know what to
• 21:29
  spend their life but spend a lot of time chasing these six star
• 21:33
  medals. And Kip Jogi's almost got 6
• 21:35
  golden stars while he's coming to Sydney as well later in the
• 21:38
  year potentially. To top it up, you've got
• 21:40
  Sebastian, Sebastian Sawway who's run 202, which is the
• 21:44
  fourth fastest all time. You've then got 18 other
• 21:48
  athletes, just random Africans, couple of Europeans in there who
• 21:52
  are sub 210 including Ye. Is it your ma that's funny.
• 21:57
  Crippa, the Italian guy who's 206 Andy Buchanan, who's the
• 22:02
  Australian national record holder in 2:06 and he's been
• 22:06
  pretty have been about wanting to run even faster than that.
• 22:09
  And then from a British perspective, you've got
• 22:12
  unfortunate male Crest dropped out.
• 22:14
  So the top seeded Brit is Mohammed Mohammed 207 guy and
• 22:19
  you've got Phil Sassman 208 and Johnny Mellor who mentioned
• 22:22
  before 209 and then Alex Yee making his debut.
• 22:26
  Who's the gold medal in the triathlon from Paris?
• 22:31
  So yeah, talk to me about that. I don't know who to pick as a
• 22:34
  favorite. I mean, Jacob Kibleno's time,
• 22:37
  you know, like the double plus 7 is pretty squarely on 7 is on
• 22:42
  two hours, so that, you know, you'd have to think he'll at
• 22:46
  least be with the group for a long time.
• 22:49
  But running a good half versus running a good full marathon
• 22:52
  doesn't always equate like there was a world champion from
• 22:56
  Eritrea, world half marathon champion.
• 22:58
  I think he had won like 7 world half marathon titles, perhaps
• 23:03
  Zeronate Tedesse. He was part of that Nike
• 23:07
  Breaking 2 project with Kip Chogi and Lily said Decisa
• 23:12
  Ethiopian guy. And he was he sort of was the
• 23:16
  biggest sort of underperformer of the three.
• 23:18
  Like he had certain like they all got selected based on like
• 23:21
  supreme Physiology. But he sort of seemed to
• 23:24
  struggle to convert that from 1/2 marathon to a marathon.
• 23:27
  So I still have a question mark as to whether or not, you know,
• 23:30
  how fast he'll sort of run over the marathon.
• 23:33
  So I think just talking it aloud, I'm maybe not going to
• 23:37
  tip him and I might go sort of last year's winner perhaps is to
• 23:43
  go back-to-back. That might be my my, my tip.
• 23:46
  How about you guys? I skipped over Kenny Super Keely
• 23:50
  as well. Doesn't deserve skipping over.
• 23:52
  He's third fastest all time in the 201, but his form hasn't
• 23:57
  been real of recent. Has it?
• 24:02
  Sorry everyone. And I probably, I'm going to tip
• 24:05
  them that Salway guy. And I think this he ran his very
• 24:09
  first marathon. Was it late?
• 24:11
  Did he win Valencia? And.
• 24:13
  Yes, that was his first one. So, and for this second time
• 24:17
  around, I think he's only going to get better.
• 24:19
  So yeah, I'm going to put the house on what?
• 24:23
  Yeah, he won Valencia 202, so I'm going to back him for the to
• 24:29
  get the dub. OK, I'll not that I actually
• 24:32
  think he will win, but just to keep three different selections,
• 24:35
  I'll go Kip limo to make it exciting, although I don't
• 24:39
  reckon he's going to go anywhere near 2 hours.
• 24:41
  Even if he did win it, I reckon he'll actually half be wanting
• 24:45
  it to start pretty slow just to like remove that question
• 24:48
  straight away, because then he can actually just race, race it
• 24:52
  properly. Carney, he's probably feels like
• 24:54
  a lot of pressure to run really fast.
• 24:56
  I mean, he's probably also mature enough to put that to one
• 24:59
  side and just run his own race. But still, all the talk since
• 25:03
  since that half marathon has been about breaking two hours,
• 25:06
  hasn't it? Yeah, and for the women's, I'm
• 25:08
  going to go for Stefan Hassan, where Eilish Mccarligan getting
• 25:12
  a notable mention. I think she's going to run well.
• 25:14
  She's going to be first British on.
• 25:16
  I'll I don't think I like Stefan Hassan.
• 25:19
  That's boring. But I don't know, I just feel
• 25:21
  like I like watching her race anyway, so I can't.
• 25:24
  I feel like I can't help but want to cheer for her anyway,
• 25:27
  and she's sort of class as well. I might just go for the first
• 25:31
  British Home, Charlotte Pergy, just for something for for a
• 25:34
  point of difference. Yeah, I was going to mention
• 25:36
  about Charlotte. I don't know if I'm right in
• 25:39
  saying this, but something tells me that she got snubbed for the
• 25:43
  Olympic selection last year. Like maybe got hard done by,
• 25:46
  like she had the time but didn't get chosen or there was a little
• 25:51
  bit of controversy around that. It kind of got drowned out by
• 25:54
  the controversy of the Australian selection.
• 25:56
  But I remember her being pretty confident she was going to go
• 26:01
  and I don't think that she did. I think she got injured with
• 26:04
  her. It was two weeks before she fell
• 26:06
  and hurt her knee on a long run. So she's never, I don't think
• 26:09
  she's ever had a British fest or something crazy like that.
• 26:11
  She's made, she's qualified for loads of championships and she's
• 26:13
  never worked out for her and so yeah, she was injured.
• 26:17
  She'll have fire in the belly racing around London.
• 26:20
  Well, also do we think you've got to ask the question if Andy
• 26:24
  saying he wants to run 205, do we think we're going to see a
• 26:27
  new Australian record? I mean, that's so fast.
• 26:32
  I don't know. You guys pick first, I'll pick
• 26:34
  last. I'm I'm checking the weather
• 26:36
  here, see what it's like in London.
• 26:37
  I think it looks it looks pretty good Chris.
• 26:40
  So that Norwegian guy keeps posting screenshots on his story
• 26:44
  everyday. Daily update of the weather.
• 26:47
  It looks pretty good. Yeah, Sunday morning, sunny.
• 26:49
  Is in Norwegian. Sunny and it doesn't get above
• 26:52
  what like 10:00? It's like 14°.
• 26:55
  The wind is like what? I don't know what how 1 meters
• 26:59
  per second converts to KS an hour or miles an hour, but it's
• 27:02
  like 1m per second. Yeah.
• 27:05
  I think. It's like 14 kilometers an hour.
• 27:08
  Is that bad? No, that's pretty good all.
• 27:10
  Right, It best not because that's what it's going to be in
• 27:13
  Ballarat. Lastly on on London, it's
• 27:20
  interesting that Brett Robinson is pacing as well.
• 27:24
  So I think he's he's got the job that Jack Rayner did have, but
• 27:27
  Jack's got injured and Brett's training didn't go as planned.
• 27:31
  So rather than racing, he's now pacing.
• 27:33
  And I think he's mentioned it was looking to be 6315, which is
• 27:39
  halfway towards the World Champs qualifying time of which is
• 27:43
  2/06/30. So I imagine he'll have a big
• 27:46
  group with him, them they're all trying to hit that standard.
• 27:49
  I'll I'll say Andy doesn't run it.
• 27:51
  I just feel like it's so hard to run 2O5.
• 27:54
  What? What's per kilometer?
• 27:55
  What's that per kilometer? 250-8259.
• 27:58
  Because Alex Yi in his latest YouTube video, he don't like his
• 28:01
  last big marathon session and it was like a 30 kilometer and like
• 28:05
  race simulation and he was in three O fives.
• 28:08
  What that leave him up? Was it 210?
• 28:10
  229210 Yeah. That'd.
• 28:13
  Be an unbelievable day, yeah. I think he probably does that, I
• 28:16
  reckon. Yeah, I think 2:09 for for Alex.
• 28:20
  What do you guys think? Say Andy does do it just because
• 28:23
  of how confident he's been about it the whole time.
• 28:26
  I am with you in the sense that it sounds obscene that he's just
• 28:29
  going to run back-to-back Australian records.
• 28:31
  But yeah, I don't know. He seems supremely confident
• 28:35
  with it. I'm going to say he doesn't, and
• 28:37
  I'm going to say Alexei runs 210.
• 28:40
  Drawing a line under London, I did actually have a little bit
• 28:44
  of trivia which skipped over and it was in relation to Ballarat
• 28:47
  and London. So before we move on, do you
• 28:50
  know what the course record is for Boston for either the men's
• 28:53
  or the women's? Boston.
• 28:56
  Whatever the woman ran yesterday, 217.
• 29:01
  Oh shit, it actually is. Because.
• 29:03
  On my notes. As well I've written it.
• 29:06
  I've written the former one and put underneath.
• 29:09
  By the time this is released, could be old news.
• 29:12
  I don't know the lads. The men's one is from.
• 29:16
  Go on. It's not from that race where
• 29:19
  it's not from around 2005 when Ryan Hall ran the American
• 29:24
  record. He ran 204, didn't he there?
• 29:26
  And he was like 4, so maybe 203. You, you kind of close.
• 29:30
  Well, yeah, it's, it's 2O3O2 from 2011, but apparently it was
• 29:35
  a notoriously windy day with a tailwind.
• 29:40
  So yeah. But none of those records count
• 29:43
  towards world records or anything either because it's a
• 29:45
  point to point course and that downhill.
• 29:49
  And then just on the London one, I won't ask you, but the men's
• 29:53
  201 from Kipton and the women's is still Paula Radcliffe from
• 29:57
  2003 to 15, which is obscene that that's still standing,
• 30:02
  isn't it? Is that a?
• 30:03
  Is that a women's only race as well?
• 30:06
  Women's only time, perhaps? Yeah, it was then, yeah.
• 30:09
  Yeah, yeah, so far. So Owen, do you want to on the
• 30:13
  course record conversation, moving over to Ballarat, there's
• 30:16
  only two course records eligible, which are the times
• 30:19
  from last year, 217 O 4 from Tom Decanto and on the women's side,
• 30:24
  the two 4055 from Ellen McCartney.
• 30:27
  So there's chance that those times might fall this weekend.
• 30:31
  But Owen, do you want to take us through some questions here?
• 30:35
  Or for you guys. Right.
• 30:37
  So I have never run a marathon before, so I'm actually pretty
• 30:41
  interested around how you guys answer this.
• 30:45
  The first one I sort of know the answer to.
• 30:46
  Like what? All right, I'll go Dean first,
• 30:49
  then Ryan. Yeah, just this is quick fire.
• 30:52
  All right. Just to reverse the places for
• 30:54
  Sunday. Right.
• 30:57
  What made you choose this race? Opportunity to race people on a
• 31:04
  quick course, in decent conditions and timed well off
• 31:08
  the back of having built up for 1/2 marathon right?
• 31:11
  Yeah, it just it fit really well into the schedule because like
• 31:16
  when when I joined runner with you guys, I was almost
• 31:20
  instructed that we were different the Maragami half in
• 31:23
  February. And then when I looked at kind
• 31:26
  of like the the race schedule for Australia, Ballarat just fit
• 31:29
  perfectly because I think it meant that we had maybe a 10 or
• 31:32
  11 week build coast of Maragami, so knew we'd be in good shape
• 31:37
  and then could just build on it. So it just made sense.
• 31:40
  And obviously they've been putting so much focus into
• 31:44
  making it a really good race from an athlete point of view.
• 31:46
  So right. Great answers guys, and Dean,
• 31:49
  what would a successful weekend look like for you?
• 31:53
  I think just executing sort of my race plan or sort of running
• 31:59
  to whatever my fitness potential is on the day.
• 32:02
  So that's sort of, that's sort of the goal is executing a good
• 32:05
  race and running to what I think I can, what I think I'm capable
• 32:08
  of. Right, very, very political
• 32:11
  answer that the in well played well, do you do you want to talk
• 32:17
  John the the competition on Instagram whilst you talk about
• 32:21
  yours there? Sorry, Ryan, say that again.
• 32:23
  Do you want to talk about the competition available on
• 32:26
  Instagram whilst you're on yours there?
• 32:29
  Yes, if you're talking about what my potential might be, if
• 32:32
  you want to speculate on that, Yeah, Vlad, it speaks nutrition
• 32:37
  or has kindly collaborated with the easy double pod and is doing
• 32:43
  a giveaway of is it 1000 grams of of big of his of the newly
• 32:53
  released bixed gels. So they're they've they're what
• 32:56
  we've been using or certainly I have been using a lot of in
• 33:00
  training up for Ballarat. They sort of recently released a
• 33:03
  caffeinated and non caffeinated gel has 40 grams of carbs per
• 33:07
  gel in it. Yeah, it's sort of palatable and
• 33:11
  and easy to ingest, which I've sucked down quite a few of and
• 33:14
  he's happily and he's giving away a very large quantity to
• 33:19
  whoever can correctly nearest a pin.
• 33:21
  I think in terms of what my goal time is, So if you find either
• 33:25
  me on Instagram or the easy double pod or BIX Australia,
• 33:30
  you'll be able to find the competition and and plug in a
• 33:33
  guest and nearest the pin gets the gets the chocolates or in
• 33:36
  this case the Bix Gels. I think there's there's like 150
• 33:40
  odd entries already, so people are just absolutely peppering
• 33:44
  the time. So by this, by the point of
• 33:46
  listening to this, you might be best just going for a bit of an
• 33:49
  outlier and hoping for the best. Hoping for a big blow up.
• 33:53
  And this little bonus? This is a bonus competition for
• 33:57
  the people who only listen. If you guess Ryan's and Dean's
• 34:01
  time, you get an almond croissant from Ryan and Dean and
• 34:05
  a coffee. That will be that will be handed
• 34:10
  over through Owen's purchase of the coffee that we're still
• 34:13
  waiting for. And as well, wrap up the bill.
• 34:17
  Yeah. Going back to the question, what
• 34:21
  does success look like for me this weekend?
• 34:24
  I mean I would, it's not even I would like to run APBI, think I
• 34:28
  have to run APB because my PB is 22759 so I'd like to take at
• 34:34
  least a couple of minutes off that.
• 34:37
  Probably somewhere in the range of 224 ish.
• 34:41
  I'm happy to say that and hopefully have a positive
• 34:45
  experience so that time doesn't come from a blower and that I'm
• 34:49
  not broken in half on Sunday afternoon or Monday.
• 34:52
  But if I am and I run a really good time, then I'll just deal
• 34:56
  with that. OK, this one I'm actually really
• 35:00
  interested in, as in because I've personally never done a
• 35:03
  carb load. So like Dean, how would you go
• 35:06
  about doing a carb carb load? When would it start?
• 35:10
  What carbs would you prefer over other carbs?
• 35:13
  Like what would you eat in the morning?
• 35:15
  I know the race is on, I think is it pretty early, 8:00 or
• 35:17
  something? So like, when would you eat your
• 35:20
  breakfast and all that sort of stuff?
• 35:22
  Yeah. So I'll probably start to be a
• 35:24
  little bit conscious on the Friday night.
• 35:28
  I know some people carb load for like 2 days prior, but for me, I
• 35:32
  normally just focus on the carb load, particularly on the
• 35:35
  Saturday. I'm not counting like grams of
• 35:41
  carbohydrates that I'm ingesting.
• 35:42
  But typically it's just foods that I sort of find easy to
• 35:48
  ingest. So things like rice cereal,
• 35:52
  bread, lollies and like sports drink like would be a, would be
• 35:59
  sort of the main sort of things that I'll have during the day.
• 36:01
  And then for dinner, it's normally, it's often a pizza if
• 36:05
  I'm in in ounces. If it's in Japan, then it'll be
• 36:08
  rice, but I'll normally have a pizza the night before.
• 36:11
  Not too many toppings. I think.
• 36:13
  I don't know if you want to have anything too fibrous because you
• 36:15
  want to your bows to empty in the morning.
• 36:19
  And then the morning of the race I'll normally have, I'll get up
• 36:22
  early, so at least three hours before the race and have a
• 36:25
  coffee and probably just like some toast with honey and banana
• 36:30
  on top. And then, yeah, slice or two of
• 36:32
  toast, sort of how we shared at Bunbury the other week, Crime.
• 36:36
  And then make sure we get in, yeah, get in a couple of coffee,
• 36:39
  get a jog in, get the bows moving.
• 36:42
  And I'll normally have like a gel, like a caffeinated gel as
• 36:45
  well before the race starts. And then and maybe some, you
• 36:50
  know, some sports drink, sip, sip on that in the morning of
• 36:54
  and then we'll just be sort of making sure I keep my nutrition
• 36:58
  in race nutrition, right? Yeah, In the past I've gone with
• 37:02
  the two days prior, so like the Ballarat, that would look like
• 37:05
  all of Friday, all of Saturday, and then obviously race Sunday.
• 37:10
  But just make it makes me feel a bit like shit, like it's meant
• 37:15
  to. But you stood on the start line
• 37:17
  like I'm in peak physical condition and through what
• 37:21
  you've consumed the past 48 hours, you feel like fat to
• 37:24
  space. Like you're so bloated and so
• 37:27
  lethargic and sluggish and you can't even get to sleep at night
• 37:30
  because you just got that much. You just got carbs pinging
• 37:33
  around your brain. But I'm flying Friday afternoon
• 37:40
  and then because of the time difference, it means that lowly
• 37:43
  of Perth that like 4:00 PM on Friday, don't actually get to
• 37:46
  Ballarat until like probably 11:00 PM by the time I drive
• 37:49
  there. So it's going to be hard to kind
• 37:52
  of carb load through that period.
• 37:53
  So I'll probably start Friday morning and kind of smash couple
• 37:58
  of breakfasts in a big lunch and then just kind of consume what I
• 38:01
  can throughout Friday evening, being conscious that it probably
• 38:05
  wouldn't be like true carb load amount.
• 38:08
  In the past, I have tried to measure it and I think kind of
• 38:12
  for my body weight up to around 700 grams of carb is ideal,
• 38:17
  which is when you do try and measure it out, it's a lot.
• 38:21
  So now I'm just not going to bother because I know that you
• 38:24
  can just pretty much eat freely, remove proteins, remove veg and
• 38:29
  fruit rarely isn't it supposedly.
• 38:31
  But I kind of like to keep a little bit of it in because it
• 38:33
  just it makes you feel a bit better.
• 38:35
  And I mean, when you're trying to eat that much food, it's nice
• 38:39
  to have, like, somewhat of a nutritious meal rather than
• 38:43
  just, like, a massive bowl of plain pasta.
• 38:46
  Some people eat, like, pasta with no sauce or rice with
• 38:49
  nothing else. And it's just like the car
• 38:51
  bloods, the fun part, Like, you have to have fun with it.
• 38:53
  So yeah, then I'll go all day Saturday.
• 38:56
  And then usually my, like, meal the night before is pasta with
• 39:01
  copious amounts of garlic bread. And then I just look to top it
• 39:04
  off with like Dean said this, like the Powerades.
• 39:08
  Usually I'd always just drink sugar free ones through being a
• 39:10
  bit of a freak, but you have to go for the sugared ones because
• 39:13
  that's where the carbs are. And snack wise, I like them.
• 39:17
  We had those pretzels, like the salted pretzels, they're just
• 39:20
  pure carb, like no fat, no protein.
• 39:23
  You can munch on them like a bag of family crisps.
• 39:25
  Nice. If I was doing it, I'd be
• 39:27
  straight into Woolies, getting them Biscoff hot cross buns.
• 39:32
  I just nailed it in. They're so good.
• 39:34
  But anyway, and fuelling strategy during the race.
• 39:38
  So like, are you guys going to be aiming to get like a certain
• 39:41
  amount of carbs in per hour? Do you tables with your own
• 39:44
  bottles? What's that sort of situation
• 39:46
  looking like for racing? Yeah, I've sort of been liaising
• 39:50
  a little bit with the race organizers to understand exactly
• 39:53
  the protocols of or what the layouts of the drink tables will
• 39:56
  be and whether or not House can hand me a drink.
• 39:58
  But ideally. I'll be collecting like a pop
• 40:04
  top which will have 250 mils of like a carb solution in it.
• 40:10
  And so I'll be taking that every 5 kilometres up until where I
• 40:15
  start to feel like I'm struggling to ingest it.
• 40:18
  In which case I would have just scrapped a gel to the pop top.
• 40:21
  And I'll just, I'll just switch from ingesting the sort of, you
• 40:25
  know, the more fluidy mix to the just trying to suck down the
• 40:28
  gel. But I'll look to try and get
• 40:30
  something in every five KS. And at 10 KS, I'll probably take
• 40:33
  a take on some caffeine. I'll have some caffeine tablets
• 40:36
  either strapped to a bottle or caffeine gel or but yeah, that's
• 40:40
  the sort of the the race plan I try and front end it like by 40
• 40:44
  KS, I'm really don't really take anything in.
• 40:46
  But up until then, up until that 35K drink bottle, I'll try and
• 40:49
  take in as much as I can, right? Probably around 80 grams an hour
• 40:54
  is probably like the sweet spot for me.
• 40:59
  So yeah, like Dean said, we don't exactly know what the
• 41:01
  bottle station setup looks like. Yeah, like we know it's
• 41:05
  available to have personalized drinks, but unless I've missed
• 41:08
  something, I don't think we know how often the tables are.
• 41:13
  So I mean, what I've done in Gold Coast was I had a bottle
• 41:18
  and three 10 Ki think from 5K, so 515-2535 and it had each
• 41:25
  bottle had the gels elastic band to it.
• 41:29
  So take the bottle, drink it, throw it and then just carry the
• 41:34
  gel until like the next 5K and consume that.
• 41:37
  And then the five KF that would pick up another bottle, another
• 41:40
  gel and just done that and kind of just not be overly committed
• 41:44
  to definitely consuming it or definitely not consuming at any
• 41:48
  given point and just kind of get as much down as early on as you
• 41:51
  can and then just manage it basically.
• 41:54
  Cool. That's interesting because I
• 41:56
  think like nutrition in marathons has like sort of
• 41:59
  really exploded I'd say in the past couple of years, which one
• 42:02
  way more important. So it'll be interesting, I'd say
• 42:04
  for everyone to listen to how you guys are and near the top
• 42:07
  end of the race and going about it.
• 42:09
  I'd say just before we move on, got on the back of the cobbler
• 42:14
  than the the fuel in question. When you carb loaded up to your
• 42:18
  eyeballs and you pick a gel up after what feels like jogging
• 42:22
  for 15 minutes and you try and consume that gel.
• 42:25
  That's probably one of the hardest things to do, but you
• 42:27
  know that you need to get on top of it early doors.
• 42:30
  And Ryan, you're obviously planning no toilet stops for the
• 42:34
  marathon crash. Yeah, they've actually got, I
• 42:37
  got an e-mail yesterday. So they've split initially they
• 42:41
  just had like an, I think they were calling it just like an
• 42:44
  elite start. But because they got so many
• 42:46
  people into the elite field, they've now split it into elite
• 42:50
  and preferred. So because my PB is towards the
• 42:53
  back end of this, the ranking and I've moved into the
• 42:57
  preferred category, but they sent me yesterday saying like
• 43:01
  the elite starters have access to, I can't think what they've
• 43:05
  titled it, but it's basically like a lounge on the start line.
• 43:08
  Presumably it's just got like private bathroom facilities and
• 43:11
  like you can literally get stripped off 5 minutes before
• 43:14
  the race starts. And they've included a couple of
• 43:18
  preferreds and their think because I was like an early
• 43:21
  entrance. So it puts me at ease knowing
• 43:24
  that I've basically got a toilet on the start line.
• 43:27
  So there's no excuses for any mishap.
• 43:31
  That's good to know. That's good to know.
• 43:32
  All right. And the last question guys, how
• 43:34
  is this block gone compared to your previous block?
• 43:38
  So for Ryan, your Gold Coast block and for Dean, was it the
• 43:42
  Sydney you've done before this Like how?
• 43:43
  How have they compared? Sure.
• 43:45
  Yeah, Yeah, Last one I did. Last marathon I ran the Osaka
• 43:48
  Marathon in 2024. So yeah, bit over a year ago
• 43:55
  this block was shorter than that.
• 43:58
  So like a shorter build up was probably like 8 weeks.
• 44:01
  I think in terms of my like top end fitness, you know, like my
• 44:06
  say my threshold and that sort of work definitely better than
• 44:11
  what it has been in the past. I think I hit higher peak
• 44:15
  mileage maybe just compared to the last one.
• 44:18
  So maybe an extra say 10 or so KS a week.
• 44:20
  And I was and I am compared to that doing a bit more quality in
• 44:23
  the week, like, you know, 3 workouts and a steady run is
• 44:27
  more than what I was doing last time.
• 44:29
  So I think I'm slightly ahead of where I was, albeit it's a
• 44:33
  slightly smaller block. So I'm optimistic.
• 44:37
  I'm optimistically thinking I'm in better shape than what I was
• 44:40
  for my last one, but we'll sort of see on Sunday.
• 44:44
  And obviously the most important thing, the company was way
• 44:46
  better, like your training partners have just improved
• 44:48
  drastically. Well, that's, yeah, that's what
• 44:50
  sort of got me. My lifted feeling I think was
• 44:53
  just the was the better quality sessions basically better,
• 44:56
  Better banter, better sessions. Makes all the difference, right?
• 45:00
  Until we left you stranded 4 weeks out in the thick of it.
• 45:06
  No longer easy easy doubling. I was easily by myself.
• 45:11
  And I was ridiculously hard singling.
• 45:15
  Yeah, this book compared to the Gold Coast one.
• 45:18
  It's funny, isn't it? Because hindsight is like
• 45:20
  everything, but at the time, you only know what you only know.
• 45:24
  So I remember, if I think back to the Gold Coast block now, I
• 45:27
  thought that, like, my mileage was massive.
• 45:30
  I didn't. I couldn't see how I would
• 45:31
  increase that. And also the like, the kind of
• 45:35
  the goal going into that was to break 2:30.
• 45:38
  And I remember thinking that like, that'll be I've reached my
• 45:41
  limit if I can do that. I don't see how it ever gets
• 45:45
  better than that. And I remember, you know, Dave
• 45:47
  Ridley, I remember him telling me once on a cool down, he was
• 45:51
  like, oh, yeah, I remember when I first broke 2:30.
• 45:54
  And it's weird. You'll just put blocks
• 45:56
  back-to-back to back and you'll think for each one that you're
• 46:00
  never going to be able to run better than this, but you just
• 46:03
  do. And then all of a sudden you're
• 46:04
  like, he obviously runs spot 218 or something now, like sub 220.
• 46:10
  And he was just, yeah, relating back to me that he was once in
• 46:14
  that trying to break 2:30, and it seemed like the best you
• 46:17
  could ever do. So it's weird to kind of be in
• 46:20
  this position only 12 months on or less than thinking I'm going
• 46:25
  to try and run sub 225. But in terms of the actual block
• 46:29
  itself, it's probably been quite a bit different really.
• 46:32
  There's been, it's been, I've learned a lot because I've kind
• 46:35
  of, I've clearly tested my body's limits in terms of what I
• 46:38
  can handle from both an intensity and a mileage point of
• 46:41
  view, kind of playing them off together because we've ran with
• 46:44
  the two sessions, sometimes three sessions.
• 46:47
  Do you? Do you reckon it peaked at the
• 46:49
  watermelon that Wednesday? Watermelon was probably.
• 46:53
  But yeah, when did the the heel and the Achilles start falling
• 46:57
  off after that? Was was it pretty soon?
• 46:59
  This may be an early indicator. No, it was when we when we
• 47:03
  started sprinting 30 KS up that mountain it.
• 47:09
  Was when I was trying to play. No, actually the I can pinpoint
• 47:12
  the exact moment it was. It was when we were halfway up
• 47:15
  and I said to you that my heart rate was looking good, then you
• 47:18
  dropped it. But yeah, it's been good because
• 47:25
  I kind of broke down a little bit and I've then like just
• 47:28
  managed managed it to the start line.
• 47:31
  So I've definitely learned a lot and in terms of the specificity
• 47:36
  of the sessions that we've done, learnt how to really kind of
• 47:39
  dial them in and focus on marathon effort and marathon
• 47:42
  pace, on the fatigue. So it sounds weird to say this
• 47:46
  pre race but I'm like almost already looking forward to going
• 47:51
  again once the time is right and recovery is done and everything.
• 47:55
  Well lads, yeah, watching News 2 boys training race definitely
• 47:59
  lit a fire in my belly to run a marathon and so hopefully I'll
• 48:04
  run on in the near, near future, but we'll see about it.
• 48:07
  But yeah, that's all the questions I have for IS.
• 48:08
  Appreciate it. Speaking of which, how How is?
• 48:12
  How is everything going with you through your travels?
• 48:15
  Have you tried test and returns of running?
• 48:17
  So yeah, a little injury update. I am running every second day.
• 48:21
  I because like I literally took nearly like 4 weeks off.
• 48:26
  Like now that I've come back to running like I'm not let's say
• 48:31
  as efficient as I previously was.
• 48:34
  So I'm sort of compensating, which is causing more little
• 48:37
  niggles, but they're only little niggles.
• 48:39
  So I'm just, you have to run through them.
• 48:42
  So yeah, it's just I'm in this like sort of awkward period
• 48:45
  where I'm like doing my sessions on the bike, trying to run every
• 48:48
  second day, trying to build up the strength in my legs.
• 48:52
  So yeah, it's like I'm nowhere near a race, but I'm just
• 48:57
  building back up. It's just slow and tedious and
• 49:00
  annoying. Yeah, sort of doing the work
• 49:03
  that you know is required, but it's sort of not, not the way
• 49:06
  you want to be doing it. You want to be at the track
• 49:08
  tonight ripping repeats and yeah.
• 49:11
  It's very frustrating but everything happens for a reason
• 49:14
  so I'm just going with it. Like you were saying to me the
• 49:17
  other day, though, what was it last year, your injury situation
• 49:20
  situation, Did you not run for five months?
• 49:22
  Did you say or something like that?
• 49:24
  Yeah, I was there for five months.
• 49:25
  So in the background mind, I'm always thinking it's never going
• 49:28
  to be as bad as that. Well, hopefully so.
• 49:31
  I know I'll come back. Because then that sounds like
• 49:34
  I'm saying you're going to out for five months again.
• 49:36
  But that wasn't my point. It's more so like how he turned
• 49:39
  it round on the back of that and went on to run like massive PBS
• 49:43
  still within the next 8 to 12 months.
• 49:46
  Yeah, yeah, that's it. And like I should have known
• 49:49
  like I should have picked it up, like I should have taken down
• 49:52
  time before I got the injury. It's just annoying.
• 49:53
  Like I'm my body forced it on me and blood, yeah, like loads.
• 49:58
  People come back stronger from injuries.
• 50:00
  So hopefully that's the case in my situation.
• 50:02
  I think we've all, we've all kind of danced with the devil
• 50:05
  and in that sense, haven't we? And we've, we've encouraged each
• 50:08
  other, whether that be rightly or wrongly, but we, we just kind
• 50:12
  of jumped in it together. And we've joked about like in
• 50:15
  the oven and being cooked and stuff.
• 50:18
  But this, that was the risks that we were willing to take for
• 50:22
  these marginal fitness games, wasn't it?
• 50:24
  And you have to kind of push the boundary and see what you are
• 50:26
  capable of, don't you? Yeah, yeah.
• 50:29
  And running's like you introduced quite a bit load into
• 50:31
  your legs, running all the time. And you sort of, as Owen sort of
• 50:35
  mentioned, you're sort of constantly feeling small
• 50:37
  niggles. So it's sort of it's a very hard
• 50:39
  to self diagnose when something's going to keep you
• 50:42
  out for a period of time or something that you can run
• 50:44
  through. And it's sort of a bit of trial
• 50:46
  and error and you sort of, yeah, there's risks and attached to
• 50:51
  all of it, isn't there? And you're sort of, you know,
• 50:54
  you're just trying to do your best with what you can and
• 50:56
  accept what risks you want depending on how big your goals
• 50:58
  are and how short or long term they are.
• 51:00
  Yeah, and it doesn't help as well that like now I'm running,
• 51:03
  I'm like fixed. Like I'm constantly always
• 51:06
  thinking about like my calf or my knee and I'm like, oh, is it
• 51:09
  sore? Is it like, is this a new pain?
• 51:11
  Is it in the same position? So like I'm like, I'm probably
• 51:14
  overtaking it as well. So I just need to sort of just
• 51:16
  get on with it. So hard because like the the
• 51:18
  biggest chance of you're at more risk of an injury soon after
• 51:25
  just having had an injury. Like it's sort of so you are at
• 51:28
  higher risk. So you're right to be thinking
• 51:30
  about it. But then at some point you sort
• 51:31
  of want to switch off from it because you constantly feel
• 51:34
  something and you sort of don't want to attach to it all the
• 51:37
  time either. Sucks the fun out of it.
• 51:39
  Might take over over Japan. Friends book, train harder.
• 51:43
  Knots matter. To push through it.
• 51:45
  Phenomenal. Hey, have you watched some of
• 51:47
  the recent episodes? No, for a chapter that like
• 51:51
  couldn't like couldn't run for like 2 weeks to run like a
• 51:54
  marathon the week after he started running again and he's
• 51:58
  just yeah, I don't know. 200 He reckons he might get up to 300
• 52:01
  KS in this block. He will.
• 52:03
  I might have to stop following him because he's crushing my
• 52:07
  dreams like he was injured, what, a month ago he couldn't
• 52:12
  run and he's since ran two marathons faster than what I'm
• 52:16
  going to run on Sunday and I've put everything into it.
• 52:20
  Yeah, he's feel. Different Hey Owen, tell Dean
• 52:24
  about your your jog the other day and your your heart rate 0.
• 52:27
  My God. So normally I'm like, let's say
• 52:30
  an easy like 30 minute jog, like the heart rate warden to get
• 52:34
  above like 100 and 25130 beats per minute.
• 52:37
  Now fair enough, Scarborough, it's a heavy place and along
• 52:40
  that coast it's really both guys.
• 52:42
  It was like it was pushing 160. Like, oh.
• 52:45
  Shit, it's really threshold. It was around like 4, 430
• 52:51
  kilometer pace and yeah, so it's loving that.
• 52:57
  It's crazy how fast you lose it, but I heard you get it back
• 53:01
  pretty fast. So I'm hoping and praying it
• 53:04
  comes back. But yeah, it's just not fun at
• 53:06
  the moment. It's very demoralizing.
• 53:08
  That's why we sorry around you. I was just going to say, like
• 53:12
  when people that are non runners go for a run and after you've
• 53:15
  had a bit of a layoff, you understand what they mean.
• 53:18
  Like everything hurts. You're puffing, like really
• 53:21
  unpleasant. Like I'm like, yeah, I wouldn't
• 53:23
  run if it felt like that all the time either.
• 53:25
  Like, it does feel good sometimes, yeah.
• 53:28
  Exactly, Dean, do we want to fly through training weeks last
• 53:32
  week? Sounds good.
• 53:33
  OK. So Monday was on the back of
• 53:36
  that and the Bunbury half that we've done on the Sunday.
• 53:40
  So my ankle and the heel was a little bit swollen, didn't pull
• 53:44
  up too well and I was wasn't feeling great about the prospect
• 53:48
  of running a marathon at this point in all honesty still.
• 53:51
  And so I just done a double cross train that day, No
• 53:54
  running, but 45 in the morning, 45 in the evening, just trying
• 53:58
  to get some sort of load into it.
• 54:00
  Tuesday I remember stupidly thinking that I was going to go
• 54:04
  to the track and RIP some 4 hundreds.
• 54:07
  That's a good job that I didn't. I just went for an hour's run,
• 54:09
  420 nines and actually felt pretty good.
• 54:12
  That was in the evening so just give myself maximum time for the
• 54:17
  swelling and stuff to come down. Pain had went away and then
• 54:21
  Wednesday was again an hour easy in the morning and that was all.
• 54:28
  Yeah, I was. I had to wait until Thursday to
• 54:31
  do anything of any intensity. So Thursday morning had a 30
• 54:35
  minute jog. Thursday evening back to the
• 54:38
  session and went to Lake Munger and done a 4K warm up with the
• 54:42
  group and then I had half an hour at marathon effort slash
• 54:48
  pace, which was tuned to heart rate.
• 54:52
  So this was very much a case of I think I have an idea what
• 54:56
  marathon peso effort might be. Let's kind of play that off
• 55:00
  against the heart rate and see if the that kind of confirms it
• 55:04
  all. It says otherwise, but because I
• 55:07
  hadn't really done anything that week in terms of intensity and
• 55:10
  whatever, my legs were pretty fresh and I was feeling like
• 55:13
  bully all this. The taper started early so I ran
• 55:18
  320 ones for half an hour, which I don't think will be marathon
• 55:22
  pace, but the heart rate was OK. I think the the weather was
• 55:26
  pretty well, it was cool, but it was quite windy.
• 55:28
  I think I chose to go the fast way around the lake there for a
• 55:32
  bit of a confidence boost because I was still on the cusp
• 55:36
  of not really having much confidence at this stage.
• 55:38
  So I knew I needed this one to be a good one.
• 55:41
  So yeah, I ran 320 ones and the heart rate average was, I think
• 55:46
  it was 164. Yeah, 164 didn't go above 167.
• 55:53
  So yeah, that was all good. Onto Friday.
• 55:57
  I accidentally uploaded, I was trying to set a timer to do my
• 56:02
  noodles and that went up as an upload to Strava as an hour.
• 56:06
  I didn't turn it off. And someone saw the funny side
• 56:10
  of that and asked left hand or right hand, because there was
• 56:14
  no, there was no distance on the activity.
• 56:19
  And yeah, that was kind of embarrassing.
• 56:21
  But once I've been called out for it, I couldn't exactly
• 56:24
  delete it and pretend like it hadn't happened.
• 56:27
  Just went for what was that, 52 minutes?
• 56:30
  Very random. I think it was only meant to be
• 56:32
  45 maybe. And I just pushed about a little
• 56:34
  bit there on Friday. Saturday, met Dean at Lake
• 56:39
  Munger again. Usually we'd go to Kings Park or
• 56:42
  something run from the run center on Saturday morning, but
• 56:46
  we had eight by two minutes on. Well, I had rather 8 by two
• 56:50
  minutes on one minute float just to kind of squeeze some pace and
• 56:55
  intensity out. And I think the prescription was
• 56:59
  around three 10s for the on and 320 fives for the float.
• 57:04
  So they were all pretty much within range of the target
• 57:08
  paces. And when I've looked at the the
• 57:10
  case splits afterwards, it's bizarre because what's not
• 57:13
  bizarre, it just shows that I was running the reps pretty
• 57:15
  consistently, but I was obviously just focused on what
• 57:18
  the two-minute arm was, what the one minute off was and not what
• 57:21
  kilometer for was going as 5 was.
• 57:23
  But all the case of Kate came out 316, three 16317, three,
• 57:28
  18315. So yeah, just nice and
• 57:30
  consistent. And again, that kind of backed
• 57:33
  up what I'd done on Thursday. Like the body felt good on the
• 57:37
  back of it, the heel wasn't UPS a funny business.
• 57:40
  So back kind of solidified my confidence and I was like,
• 57:44
  right, that's pretty much everything done now.
• 57:46
  Just need to basically pass time for a week and and we're there.
• 57:51
  So then someday just done 90 minutes at 4:30 twos with Adam
• 57:55
  around Herdsman Lake. And that was me for I think that
• 57:59
  was 102 K for the week with 2 1/2 hours cross train.
• 58:03
  So although that was that's two weeks out from the race.
• 58:07
  So traditionally the first week of a the taper, but I haven't
• 58:10
  really been riding a massive level of fatigue recently.
• 58:14
  So I think the purpose of that was just to restore some
• 58:17
  confidence and get a couple of good runs in which that was that
• 58:21
  was the case. Did you run to heart rate for
• 58:24
  your marathon sort of effort on Thursday?
• 58:27
  Was that sort of the the intention there?
• 58:30
  Yeah. I guess like just play heart
• 58:33
  rate off against pace and kind of test each one of them out and
• 58:37
  see which was kind of the like sample the pace and hopefully
• 58:41
  reaffirm it with the heart rate. And I mean the heart rate is
• 58:45
  probably a little bit high to be marathon pace, but the pace is
• 58:47
  probably a little bit too fast to be marathon pace as well.
• 58:50
  So it makes sense. But I justified that by saying I
• 58:54
  was. I was just looking for some
• 58:56
  confidence and and willing to kind of maybe push a little bit
• 59:00
  more than marathon effort so it can just make sense.
• 59:04
  Essentially, take a few beats off and a few seconds per chaos
• 59:07
  and there we have it. Yeah.
• 59:09
  Because, yeah, I was thinking that.
• 59:10
  I was thinking that 167's getting like getting close to
• 59:14
  your threshold, right? Yeah.
• 59:17
  Back off a. Few seconds sounds.
• 59:19
  Right. Yeah, because I remember RAF
• 59:21
  saying like, Oh yeah, last five or 10 minutes if we're feeling
• 59:25
  good, we could squeeze it. And I went to squeeze it and
• 59:29
  then there's there's nothing to be gained.
• 59:32
  So that's probably why it's went up to 167 because I think I ran
• 59:35
  like a 313 towards the end, but I was about to final leather it
• 59:39
  and empty the tank as well. It's not a good idea.
• 59:44
  That's. Very sensible.
• 59:46
  You tell us about your week. Yeah, yeah.
• 59:48
  So my week. So yeah, it came off the back of
• 59:50
  that half marathon down in Bunbury.
• 59:52
  I know I was having sort of a bit unwell going into that
• 59:56
  weekend and so I felt pretty rough on the Monday, Tuesday so
• 1:00:00
  just ran once on the Monday, 2 jogs on the Tuesday.
• 1:00:04
  And then waited until Wednesday afternoon before I did
• 1:00:08
  something. Not just jogging.
• 1:00:10
  So just sort of steady 40 minutes on the Wednesday
• 1:00:14
  afternoon. Still sort of coughing and not
• 1:00:16
  feeling pretty congested, so not feeling too flash.
• 1:00:20
  So sort of just ticked it off as a bit of a steady run.
• 1:00:24
  And then Thursday, yes, deal was not feeling 100%.
• 1:00:28
  So jogged into the office in the morning and then the guys had a
• 1:00:33
  workout, had that workout that you did.
• 1:00:34
  Saturday was sort of the main workout with the group.
• 1:00:37
  So 2 minutes on, one minute off. I just thought given I'm not
• 1:00:41
  feeling 100%, just to not go too hard.
• 1:00:45
  So I just ran with a couple of the guys and I think they said
• 1:00:48
  they wanted to do 3:15 and 3:30 for the ONS and offs.
• 1:00:51
  So I said that sounds fine to me.
• 1:00:53
  So I just did that with them. Sort of felt better after it
• 1:00:57
  than I did before. So I definitely on the other
• 1:00:59
  side of being unwell, which was good.
• 1:01:01
  So happy to do something but didn't feel like it was too
• 1:01:05
  taxing. Sort of pretty moderate in terms
• 1:01:07
  of effort. And then yeah, back to a couple
• 1:01:09
  of jogs on Friday and then Saturday, Saturday, the Saturday
• 1:01:14
  for a marathon, it's often maybe like a monitor or something to
• 1:01:18
  sort of really turn the legs over or I've done in the past
• 1:01:22
  just 10K's at sort of marathon pace or marathon effort.
• 1:01:27
  So yeah, it was sort of just, I sort of started out a little bit
• 1:01:31
  slow, still feeling a bit blocked up.
• 1:01:33
  It just sort of got up to around heart rate and sort of ran 315
• 1:01:37
  average. And my heart rate I think was
• 1:01:38
  169 for the the effort, which is a bit lower than what I think
• 1:01:42
  I'll look to target sort of say from 5 KS into the race.
• 1:01:45
  I'll look to target more closer to mid one 70s I think in terms
• 1:01:49
  of heart rate, yeah, felt not too bad.
• 1:01:52
  Felt better afterwards. Still felt like I was
• 1:01:54
  recovering. And then Sunday, because I was
• 1:01:56
  feeling a bit better sort of after after Easter egg hunts
• 1:02:00
  were done at home, went out for 90 minutes and yeah, got moving
• 1:02:04
  a little bit on that, but just tried to not go do anything too
• 1:02:07
  silly. So, so only 115 KS for the week,
• 1:02:11
  but perhaps even not wasn't feeling 100% and you sort of
• 1:02:15
  starting a bit of a taper. I thought that was probably
• 1:02:18
  enough. Seeing your run on Sunday, what
• 1:02:20
  was that loop about? How many laps of that did you
• 1:02:22
  do? Oh, why?
• 1:02:25
  Six. That's.
• 1:02:27
  That's Jerry's. No, that's Jerry's famous
• 1:02:30
  industrial 2 1/2 K loop. There's some good GPS Mayo
• 1:02:34
  around that loop, which helps. So I was just to, you know,
• 1:02:38
  boost the confidence running a quicker long run without
• 1:02:41
  actually having to run it fast. I sort of needed to do 45
• 1:02:44
  minutes out, 45 minutes at back. I couldn't pick a loop and I
• 1:02:47
  didn't want to half run around the lake.
• 1:02:49
  So I just thought I'll run that and then turn around.
• 1:02:51
  Yeah, fair. Enough.
• 1:02:52
  So, Owen, are you going to talk to us about some news which
• 1:02:55
  you've seen dropping recently and then on people's face?
• 1:02:59
  Yeah. So I was thinking like maybe
• 1:03:01
  once a month we could sort of like chat about like any
• 1:03:04
  noticeable, noticeable new shoe releases that like we might wear
• 1:03:08
  or people might be interested in or something like that.
• 1:03:11
  So we've got 3 shoes this week. I'll talk about two and then
• 1:03:13
  we'll talk about one, which he's actually tried.
• 1:03:16
  So the first one is that the new Puma shoe, so it's called the
• 1:03:20
  Puma Fast or Nitro Elite 3. So it's a pretty unique looking
• 1:03:25
  shoe because it has the carbon plate coming out on the toe box
• 1:03:29
  basically. And well, that was the previous
• 1:03:31
  version on the this version, the new version here now it's pretty
• 1:03:34
  similar and Puma have come out with saying that it improves
• 1:03:39
  your running economy by 3.15%. Now put that into like a
• 1:03:44
  situation for a three hour marathon that would knock 4
• 1:03:48
  minutes and 30 seconds off your time, which is a pretty wild
• 1:03:52
  stat to come out with. And I know they invited some
• 1:03:55
  Youtubers over to Boston and told them.
• 1:03:58
  Now this was like before the show before like it was released
• 1:04:02
  like for Boston and all that. It was still under embargo.
• 1:04:05
  So the Youtubers actually couldn't chat about it.
• 1:04:07
  But they were told to come to Boston to a lab test, bring
• 1:04:10
  their preferred like super shoe so they can compare the two
• 1:04:14
  shoes. And I'm going to say in like 99%
• 1:04:17
  of the situations that like the Puma one was more efficient for
• 1:04:21
  the person running, which, yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:04:24
  Like a while ago, like was the only shoe.
• 1:04:26
  But now Puma, after pulling out this shoe, which is, yeah, it's
• 1:04:29
  exciting and I'd love to get my hands on it.
• 1:04:31
  Have you guys any opinions? Just that I'd heard.
• 1:04:35
  Yeah, I'd only heard snippets of what you just recounted.
• 1:04:38
  And just that sounds pretty exciting.
• 1:04:40
  Like, I mean, it's like anything as soon as you hear like a new,
• 1:04:43
  more efficient shoe, you just want to see if you can get it,
• 1:04:45
  get a pair and it's just sort of really cool.
• 1:04:47
  Like, you know, ASIC sort of releasing some really fun shoes.
• 1:04:51
  Like obviously Nike had their sort of legacy shoes, but they
• 1:04:54
  don't seem to be getting any better.
• 1:04:56
  Adidas have released some really fun shoes.
• 1:04:58
  So it's like this is like another one to sort of drop in
• 1:05:01
  the mix of that, where like another shoe brand sort of is
• 1:05:04
  sort of competing at the very top tier of like the most
• 1:05:07
  economic shoes. So I, I, I thought I'd heard
• 1:05:12
  whispers that a lot of the Nike people like in the R&D space
• 1:05:16
  left to go to Puma. And so that that's where a lot
• 1:05:19
  of like the R&D innovation have come from.
• 1:05:21
  And that's where they've sort of been spending, they've spent up
• 1:05:24
  in that space. And that's why I sort of in the
• 1:05:26
  last sort of 18 months have been, you know, in, on, on this
• 1:05:31
  upward trend in terms of shoe enhancement.
• 1:05:34
  So like, I'm not entirely surprised based on sort of what
• 1:05:37
  I'd heard and where they were going, but like pretty excited
• 1:05:39
  to try and test a pair if they can get to Perth.
• 1:05:42
  I think, I think Josh actually mentioned tonight at training
• 1:05:44
  that that they might be trying to get a few pairs at the
• 1:05:47
  running center, but they're really hard to get hold of, so I
• 1:05:50
  have to keep an ear out. It'll be interesting to see how
• 1:05:53
  much they actually cost because I know one of the shoes we're
• 1:05:56
  going to talk about later, Ciccone's and Hoka have released
• 1:05:59
  issue and they're all over like the $400.00 price point.
• 1:06:03
  So it'll be interesting to see how what this one retails are if
• 1:06:06
  all of them are going to end up going above $400.00, which is
• 1:06:09
  absolutely criminal. Running, shoot, that doesn't
• 1:06:12
  even last. You freaking three?
• 1:06:13
  Well over 200 kilometers, really.
• 1:06:15
  And yeah, Ryan, do you have any opinions on it?
• 1:06:18
  No, just that like Dean said, Josh said they tried the run
• 1:06:22
  sensor, tried to put an order in for them and Puma said WA,
• 1:06:27
  they're only getting 4 pairs as as a whole state.
• 1:06:30
  So they're clearly making them hard to access, which only
• 1:06:35
  builds up people's desires to want it more, doesn't it?
• 1:06:37
  And then obviously later on they'll probably filter out into
• 1:06:40
  the market more mainstream. But I imagine for for a little
• 1:06:43
  while we might not get our hands on a pair.
• 1:06:46
  Yeah, yeah. So that's you're like premium
• 1:06:49
  like marathon race day shoe. The other shoe I wanted to talk
• 1:06:54
  about was the Adidas Boston 13. Now, the unique thing about this
• 1:06:58
  one is so the Boston 12 has been around.
• 1:07:01
  Well, the Boston is such a staple shoe.
• 1:07:03
  It's sort of similar to let's say the Ziconi Endorphin Speed
• 1:07:08
  or the Nike Zoom Fly 6 or the ASIC Magic Speed 4.
• 1:07:11
  So it's sort of in that category of like sort of a like a plated
• 1:07:14
  training shoe. So yeah, the Boston 12 was
• 1:07:18
  released in June 2023. So I think I'd have waited like
• 1:07:22
  to go to 22 months to update this shoe, which is, which is
• 1:07:27
  pretty like unique in like today's climate because brands
• 1:07:31
  are trying to like, pump out a shoe every like 12 months to get
• 1:07:34
  money off you. So yeah, I don't know much about
• 1:07:38
  the changes. I know the upper is meant to be
• 1:07:40
  more comfortable and there's just more of Adidas's like
• 1:07:43
  premium, like light strike foam. So yeah, that's just another
• 1:07:49
  notable mention. And there was big hype around
• 1:07:51
  that this weekend with the Boston Marathon that they only
• 1:07:53
  released it. So yeah, that'd be worth a try.
• 1:07:57
  Well, me and Dean have ventured into the Adidas market recently,
• 1:08:01
  haven't we? Do you have any Adidas shoes on
• 1:08:04
  on your rotation currently, Owen?
• 1:08:06
  No, I was actually in Adidas Outlet today and I was going to
• 1:08:09
  get this. It's like the Adidas Supernova.
• 1:08:12
  It's just like a daily trainer, but it was for like 65, $5 and I
• 1:08:18
  was going to pick it up, but I was like, no, I can't because I
• 1:08:21
  always do this when I'm injured. I always look by loads of shoes
• 1:08:24
  and sort of like teasing yourself because you can't even
• 1:08:26
  wear them. So no, I I didn't buy any, but
• 1:08:31
  I'd love to pick up of the pair of the Boston Twelves cheap now
• 1:08:35
  give them a go. And even the ones the pro trees
• 1:08:38
  Ryan you have, I'd love to give them a go on the cheap because
• 1:08:41
  like, I can't justify spending like stupid money on shoes
• 1:08:45
  anymore. Like when they're going to
• 1:08:46
  $400.00, like that's just crazy. It's criminal.
• 1:08:49
  And but no, I'd love to try. I asked for at the moment of
• 1:08:53
  only New Balance and. I was talking to one of my mates
• 1:08:57
  at home and he's been wearing, I think the pro fours to do a lot
• 1:09:02
  of his training. And I think the ones I've got
• 1:09:04
  are the pro threes. And he said that he's battered
• 1:09:09
  them for months on end and the the wear and tear is like
• 1:09:13
  minimal. So then it made me look at mine
• 1:09:15
  and I haven't had mine that long, but they're still probably
• 1:09:18
  had two 203 hundred KS in them. And when you look at like the
• 1:09:22
  plate and stuff on the bottom, it's perfect almost.
• 1:09:25
  Which is in contrast to obviously those are the SLS that
• 1:09:28
  you've got the which obviously aren't so durable, but they're
• 1:09:31
  like ultra high spec, aren't they?
• 1:09:34
  But he did say that those SLS £500 in England which is like
• 1:09:40
  over $1000 which is just nuts. Like the price difference
• 1:09:44
  because what are they here is 7 or definitely not hard to say.
• 1:09:52
  Don't know, don't know. No, you've got some decent
• 1:09:55
  discount, I think, yeah. Yeah, that's right.
• 1:09:59
  On the top get the shoes. By the way, I own you should.
• 1:10:02
  You should. You wouldn't have seen Dean
• 1:10:05
  recently, but every time I see him a train and he's got a new
• 1:10:08
  shoe box in his hand, I don't know what's going on.
• 1:10:10
  Oh. Yeah.
• 1:10:12
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I got a pair of the
• 1:10:14
  EVO 1. Oh wow.
• 1:10:17
  Yeah, yeah. And anyway.
• 1:10:19
  Actually, this is a good question.
• 1:10:22
  Sure. Choice for for Sunday.
• 1:10:24
  Yeah. Ryan go first.
• 1:10:26
  Ryan, go first. Just the A3 is the the epidemic
• 1:10:29
  path with the flames on. They've only got 30 KS on them
• 1:10:33
  maybe so I'll stick with them for now.
• 1:10:35
  The spade flames. Good at them.
• 1:10:38
  Lucky they go down. Yeah.
• 1:10:40
  They're lucky here, aren't they? Yeah.
• 1:10:42
  No, I'll be. I still don't know, to be
• 1:10:46
  honest. Yeah, I think I'll pack both and
• 1:10:50
  yeah, it'll either be the Alpha fly ones or the Evo ones, one or
• 1:10:55
  the other. And then the shoe that you want
• 1:10:57
  to talk about, you've got to try on another good super shoe.
• 1:11:01
  Yeah, Is it the Coney Saucony Endorphin Pro?
• 1:11:05
  Yeah, the Pro 4. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:11:08
  I tested that on Thursday night for that workout that I did and
• 1:11:13
  it was sort of I didn't wasn't going flat out in that workout.
• 1:11:16
  So I haven't given it sort of a full, full test, I suppose.
• 1:11:23
  But, and, and I think there's the comments on the issue, like
• 1:11:26
  I'm not the only one to say that, but the foam itself is
• 1:11:28
  probably like the softest foam I've probably felt.
• 1:11:32
  And you, you can feel that under foot, but it doesn't feel like,
• 1:11:36
  it doesn't feel very unstable. Like if I put on a, I've worn so
• 1:11:39
  many different super shoes and I, I feel like I can fall out of
• 1:11:43
  some of them. Like you can sort of, you feel
• 1:11:45
  like there's so much your legs are doing so much lateral work
• 1:11:48
  to sort of stabilize the shoe, like your ankles or your quads,
• 1:11:51
  whereas I didn't get that feeling from them.
• 1:11:53
  So they certainly, it didn't feel like they were an unstable
• 1:11:56
  shoe despite being so incredibly soft.
• 1:11:59
  So then for me it becomes, and they feel fairly lightweight as
• 1:12:03
  well. So I think the question will
• 1:12:04
  become where, where do they stack up in terms of economy
• 1:12:08
  compared to the other shoes? You know, some of the
• 1:12:11
  responsiveness you get from that Nike foam, you can really feel
• 1:12:14
  it. So I think I need to do, I've,
• 1:12:17
  I've spoken to a couple of people that have also tried them
• 1:12:20
  and the feedback was quite positive.
• 1:12:22
  So it seems like I think the shoes like a, a very good shoe.
• 1:12:26
  I think I need to give it a few more runs to know exactly how
• 1:12:30
  much I like it. But yeah, first impressions were
• 1:12:33
  good. It's sort of light.
• 1:12:34
  It is super soft, which I don't necessarily mind, provided you
• 1:12:38
  feel like you're getting that return when you put forth
• 1:12:41
  through it. So yeah, fun, fun to try and
• 1:12:46
  I'll be, I, I won't, I'm not going to take too much risk in
• 1:12:49
  the last week ahead of Ballarat in terms of changing shoes.
• 1:12:52
  So I won't wear it again until after the marathon.
• 1:12:55
  Yeah, I heard as well. It was a super, super soft shoe,
• 1:12:58
  but people are raving about it, as in, like, have really good
• 1:13:02
  opinions on it. Yeah.
• 1:13:04
  So yeah. Nice one.
• 1:13:06
  Thanks for the the shoe round Owen.
• 1:13:08
  Appreciate your insight there as a former shoe salesman yourself.
• 1:13:13
  Got that industry specific knowledge.
• 1:13:15
  This definitely what I was doing for the last two weeks.
• 1:13:17
  So I'm yeah, my studies. We have a couple of listener
• 1:13:20
  questions to just bring us home. So Ryan Shand, he hasn't asked a
• 1:13:25
  question, but he's given us some thoughts now.
• 1:13:28
  He sent this in pre Boston. So he said Pat Tien and new PB
• 1:13:32
  but still a 207 man he said and the two O 6 new PB but still 2O6
• 1:13:40
  low. So he doesn't think he's going
• 1:13:41
  to get into the 2O fives but it's just saying new Australian
• 1:13:45
  records essentially keep chogi 11th.
• 1:13:49
  We didn't even touch on Kipchogi really in the London field.
• 1:13:52
  But I would lean towards what Ryan's suggesting there, that he
• 1:13:56
  isn't going to be competitive and he's given us a Ballarat
• 1:14:00
  winner. But I did his his thoughts on
• 1:14:03
  that. I did reach out to Ballarat and
• 1:14:05
  ask them for the full elite field, but they haven't provided
• 1:14:08
  it. So we we can't kind of go into a
• 1:14:13
  Ballarat prediction there as good as.
• 1:14:16
  I touch on that one. As good as Barat is, they should
• 1:14:19
  be putting out an elite field. They could just build hype
• 1:14:22
  around the race and everything like that.
• 1:14:23
  People can get interested, like local runners you know is
• 1:14:26
  running and yeah, it's not really good on them, is it?
• 1:14:29
  Yeah, I think kind of in a roundabout way, they somewhat
• 1:14:33
  have like in fits and starts. It's been communicated or spoken
• 1:14:37
  about on different platforms and stuff.
• 1:14:38
  But yeah, you want that like official, like boom, this is who
• 1:14:42
  we've got. This is what's happening.
• 1:14:45
  But yeah, it's a shame. Josh Tie Would you have a road
• 1:14:49
  dog, a marathon, IE no gels, no super shoes or no water?
• 1:14:54
  I, I, I definitely would think about going back to like old
• 1:14:58
  shoes to do it. Like I'd love to know what I
• 1:15:00
  could run not in super shoes. So I'm definitely tempted, but I
• 1:15:04
  reckon I'd my legs are just fall apart to be honest.
• 1:15:07
  Like I don't know if I don't think it did end well, but I'd
• 1:15:09
  like to give it a try. Something I I couldn't see
• 1:15:12
  myself ever doing it, but maybe for a bit.
• 1:15:16
  The right price if if you, you guys pay for my flight and entry
• 1:15:20
  to Boston next year. Yeah, OK.
• 1:15:23
  Exactly, Yeah. You can do that like that guy
• 1:15:26
  that I sent you the rail of before who Sprint off the start
• 1:15:30
  line and got his selfie video. That would be you, yeah.
• 1:15:33
  Yeah, yeah. Next year, let's.
• 1:15:36
  See. And we'll get you, and we'll get
• 1:15:37
  you an easy double thing. But yeah.
• 1:15:40
  That's probably sold out already.
• 1:15:44
  Yeah, I'm not sure I'd fair too well in in that road dogging a
• 1:15:48
  marathon, I reckon because you're so dialled into like
• 1:15:51
  being accustomed to taking on fuel and stuff now your body
• 1:15:54
  just caving on your butt. All my shins would give way
• 1:15:57
  without the Super shoes, big sloppy, lanky legs smashing them
• 1:16:03
  and big TB, who I believe was one of your former training
• 1:16:07
  partners. Dean says he's not asking a
• 1:16:10
  question, but I think he's he's putting something on your place.
• 1:16:13
  There might be some content that you can share to this time to
• 1:16:16
  talk about Ultra Records for charity.
• 1:16:19
  Yeah, I think he was one of the few people that shared some
• 1:16:21
  content with me regarding people attempting records in the name
• 1:16:27
  of charity that maybe they weren't in the shape to to do so
• 1:16:33
  careful not to turn it into a double trouble.
• 1:16:35
  But I think like, but running like my understanding is like,
• 1:16:41
  say, like we're sort of re entering that time, which I
• 1:16:45
  imagine because I wasn't running at this point, but back in the
• 1:16:47
  80s when sort of the birth of the fun run was sort of was the
• 1:16:51
  fun running era. And like you, what's cool about
• 1:16:54
  a fun run is that you you can line up alongside like Olympians
• 1:16:58
  and elite athletes and you can be a, you know, weekend warrior
• 1:17:02
  or a punter and you get to sort of toe the line with them.
• 1:17:05
  And that's a fun experience. You don't get to do that if it's
• 1:17:08
  a football player or you know, someone from another profession.
• 1:17:11
  And so that's what fun running was so exciting about fun
• 1:17:13
  running. But the, but I suppose and, and
• 1:17:18
  then also like you would also have like a, a major charity or,
• 1:17:22
  or that you would also fundraise for.
• 1:17:24
  And so they were like 2 key elements of it.
• 1:17:26
  And so I think that I think they're fantastic.
• 1:17:28
  They're super important and raising money for A cause is
• 1:17:31
  sort of what, what running sort of fits really well with.
• 1:17:34
  So I'm all raising money for for charity, but perhaps, you know,
• 1:17:39
  calling out that you're going making claims to try and link to
• 1:17:43
  your own self promotion doesn't make a lot of sense if you sort
• 1:17:46
  of have no business sort of doing that.
• 1:17:47
  Like I think running people in the running community generally
• 1:17:50
  a fairly, you know, more generally err on sort of softer
• 1:17:54
  spoken sort of people and, you know, making some outlandish
• 1:18:00
  claims ahead of having done anything to sort of suggest that
• 1:18:03
  you're capable of doing. That's probably not what some
• 1:18:06
  people want to say. Thought he was trying to set you
• 1:18:09
  up for a challenge to run like the Ultra record for charity or
• 1:18:13
  something, but he's just trying to set you off on one, wasn't
• 1:18:17
  he? Yeah.
• 1:18:17
  He was, yeah, yeah, I think he would.
• 1:18:19
  If he was on here he would have got fired up for me but.
• 1:18:22
  Like the darling, I don't know if you've seen in the background
• 1:18:25
  then, but I think we're going to have to wrap it up boys.
• 1:18:28
  The the building security just come to kick me out.
• 1:18:31
  I. Did say that I broke my train of
• 1:18:35
  thought. So just just the context that I
• 1:18:39
  live in an apartment block and I'm recording from like the
• 1:18:44
  shared working space as part of the like communal area in the
• 1:18:48
  building. And it's clearly past the
• 1:18:51
  allowed time that you're allowed to be in this room because a guy
• 1:18:54
  in a hive, his vest is just knocked on the door and told me
• 1:18:59
  to leave. So that is ample time.
• 1:19:01
  And anyway, we'll wrap it up there.
• 1:19:03
  I think I'll see you in Ballarat.
• 1:19:06
  Dean and Owen, see you before we go.
• 1:19:09
  Potentially. Yeah, boys, good luck in
• 1:19:12
  Ballara. All the best.
• 1:19:13
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• 1:19:19
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• 1:19:21
  Lastly, people may have turned off already here, but we did.
• 1:19:25
  We discovered who one of the US based listeners was.
• 1:19:29
  He wrote in because I kept calling it out.
• 1:19:31
  How confused I was. Where is it?
• 1:19:35
  Marcus. Marcus.
• 1:19:37
  Marcus Sasse. Yeah.
• 1:19:39
  Yeah, he's a. Former, yes.
• 1:19:40
  So that was. Houston.
• 1:19:42
  Yes Sir, So. So thanks Marcus for writing in
• 1:19:45
  and putting me at ease with that one.
• 1:19:48
  Actually quick question has has our Japanese viewers dropped by
• 1:19:52
  1? Oh, OK, the guys, but we're
• 1:19:57
  going to go. Back the security actually back.
• 1:20:03
  After Ballarat boys. Boys, good luck.
• 1:20:05
  See you all right. Cheers, see you lads.
• 1:20:08
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