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MC Fireside Chats - July 27th, 2022 · MC Fireside Chats, an Outdoor Hospitality Podcast

• 0:51
  Welcome
• 0:51
  everybody
• 0:52
  to
• 0:52
  another
• 0:52
  episode
• 0:52
  of
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  MC
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  Fireside
• 0:53
  Chats.
• 0:53
  My
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  name's
• 0:54
  Brian
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  Searl
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  with
• 0:54
  Insider
• 0:55
  Perks
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  here
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  as
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  always
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  with
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  Carma
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  from
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  the
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  Canadian
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  Camping
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  and
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  RV
• 0:58
  council.
• 0:58
  It's
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  the
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  fourth
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  week
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  of
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  the
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  month,
• 1:00
  which
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  means
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  we're
• 1:00
  focusing
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  on
• 1:01
  the
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  RV
• 1:01
  industry
• 1:02
  and
• 1:02
  outdoor
• 1:02
  recreation
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  for
• 1:03
  everyone
• 1:03
  here.
• 1:04
  We
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  have
• 1:05
  Eleanor
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  ham
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  from
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  the
• 1:05
  Canadian
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  recreational
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  vehicle
• 1:08
  dealers
• 1:08
  association
• 1:09
  with
• 1:09
  us,
• 1:09
  as
• 1:09
  well
• 1:09
  as
• 1:09
  Shane
• 1:10
  devs
• 1:10
  from
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  CCBC
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  and
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  C
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  V
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  a,
• 1:12
  which
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  are
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  too
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  many
• 1:14
  acronyms
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  for
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  me
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  to
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  spell
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  out
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  for
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  you
• 1:15
  guys,
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  but
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  he's
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  really
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  important.
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  And
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  that's
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  why
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  he
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  is
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  here.
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  Also
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  Kurt
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  joining
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  us
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  from
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  national
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  parks
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  traveler,
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  again,
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  fresh
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  back
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  from
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  all
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  kinds
• 1:22
  of
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  crazy,
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  awesome
• 1:23
  trips
• 1:23
  that
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  I
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  wish
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  I
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  was
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  taking.
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  So
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  he'll
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  fill
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  us
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  in
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  on
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  those
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  kinds
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  of
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  things.
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  And
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  what
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  he's
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  seen
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  is
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  the
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  national
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  park
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  system
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  in
• 1:28
  the
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  United
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  States,
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  Susan
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  Carpenter
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  from
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  the
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  RV
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  women's
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  alliances
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  here
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  with
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  us
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  and
• 1:32
  our
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  special
• 1:33
  guest
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  rich
• 1:34
  sniffle
• 1:34
  from
• 1:34
  Encore
• 1:35
  RV.
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  Who's
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  gonna
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  talk
• 1:36
  about
• 1:36
  some
• 1:37
  over
• 1:37
  landing
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  and
• 1:37
  some
• 1:37
  other
• 1:38
  cool
• 1:38
  things
• 1:38
  that
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  his
• 1:38
  company
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  does.
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  What
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  are
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  we,
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  I
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  think
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  probably
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  where
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  I
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  wanna
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  start
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  just
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  to
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  get
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  it
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  outta
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  the
• 1:43
  way
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  is
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  and
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  we
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  talked
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  about
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  this
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  prior
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  to
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  the
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  show,
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  starting
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  Shane
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  and
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  Eleanor
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  is
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  touch
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  on
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  the
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  RV
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  industry,
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  dealer,
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  inventories,
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  numbers,
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  shipments,
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  things
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  like
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  that.
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  Because
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  on
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  the
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  surface,
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  if
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  you
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  don't
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  know
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  what's
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  happening,
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  I
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  feel
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  like
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  it
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  looks
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  bad,
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  but
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  it's
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  not
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  right.
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  No,
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  you
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  wanna
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  start
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  Shane
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  or
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  yeah,
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  you
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  go
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  ahead
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  Eller.
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  Yeah.
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  We're
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  hearing,
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  we
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  are
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  seeing
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  some
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  media
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  saying
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  numbers
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  are
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  dropping
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  in
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  terms
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  of
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  shipments,
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  as
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  well
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  as
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  as
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  dealer
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  inventories,
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  but,
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  or
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  dealer
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  sales.
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  But
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  I
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  think
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  that,
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  realistically,
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  when
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  we
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  look.
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  We
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  compare
• 2:19
  year,
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  our
• 2:20
  stats
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  are
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  over
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  a
• 2:21
  year
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  prior.
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  So
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  when
• 2:22
  we
• 2:22
  look
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  back
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  to
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  2021,
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  it
• 2:24
  was
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  the
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  best
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  year
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  ever
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  in
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  the
• 2:25
  industry.
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  And
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  so
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  I
• 2:27
  think
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  now
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  there's
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  just
• 2:28
  been
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  a
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  bit
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  of
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  an
• 2:28
  adjustment.
• 2:29
  Retail
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  sales
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  in
• 2:30
  Canada
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  are
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  down
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  about
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  15%
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  to
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  the
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  end
• 2:33
  of
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  may.
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  But
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  when
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  we
• 2:34
  look
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  back
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  historically
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  over
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  the
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  last
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  15
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  years,
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  it's
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  still
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  one
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  of
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  the,
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  probably
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  the
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  second
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  best
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  year
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  ever.
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  So
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  I
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  think
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  just
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  the
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  numbers
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  that
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  are
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  being
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  reported
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  tend
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  to
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  skew
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  it,
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  but
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  it's
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  still
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  very
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  strong.
• 2:46
  Dealers
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  do
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  tend
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  to
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  have
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  restocked
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  inventory.
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  So
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  they
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  do
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  are
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  getting
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  product
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  now
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  on
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  their
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  lots,
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  which
• 2:52
  was
• 2:52
  a
• 2:52
  bit
• 2:53
  of
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  an
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  issue
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  last
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  year.
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  So
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  I
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  think,
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  ultimately
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  it's
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  a
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  good
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  time
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  for
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  the
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  consumer
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  because
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  there
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  is
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  product
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  out
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  there
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  that's
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  available
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  and
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  and
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  sales
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  are
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  still
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  going
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  strongly.
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  Awesome.
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  Shane,
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  anything
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  to
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  add?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And
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  I
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  agree
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  with
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  everything
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  said,
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  we're
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  Canadian
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  shipments
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  are
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  still
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  are
• 3:10
  still
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  over
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  last
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  year
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  and
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  last
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  year
• 3:12
  was
• 3:12
  a
• 3:12
  tremendous
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  year.
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  We're
• 3:13
  up
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  nearly
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  a
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  hundred
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  percent
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  over
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  2020
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  in
• 3:16
  the
• 3:16
  us
• 3:17
  we're
• 3:17
  seeing
• 3:17
  the
• 3:17
  shipments
• 3:18
  numbers
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  for
• 3:19
  sure
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  go
• 3:19
  down,
• 3:19
  which
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  is
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  not
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  necessarily
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  a
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  bad
• 3:21
  thing.
• 3:22
  I
• 3:22
  think
• 3:22
  it's
• 3:22
  best
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  to
• 3:23
  have
• 3:23
  the
• 3:24
  shipment
• 3:24
  numbers
• 3:25
  align
• 3:25
  itself
• 3:26
  with
• 3:26
  as
• 3:27
  closely
• 3:27
  as
• 3:27
  possible
• 3:28
  with
• 3:28
  the
• 3:28
  retail
• 3:29
  numbers
• 3:29
  that
• 3:29
  we're
• 3:30
  seeing.
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  Cause
• 3:31
  then
• 3:31
  you
• 3:31
  don't
• 3:31
  see
• 3:32
  a
• 3:32
  drastic
• 3:32
  buildup
• 3:33
  of
• 3:33
  inventory
• 3:34
  on
• 3:34
  dealers
• 3:35
  lots,
• 3:35
  and
• 3:36
  it's
• 3:36
  always
• 3:36
  good
• 3:36
  to
• 3:36
  keep
• 3:37
  things
• 3:37
  current
• 3:37
  and
• 3:37
  the
• 3:37
  inventory
• 3:38
  turns
• 3:38
  there.
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  So
• 3:39
  I'm
• 3:39
  pleased
• 3:40
  that
• 3:40
  not
• 3:40
  pleased,
• 3:41
  but
• 3:41
  And
• 3:41
  I'm
• 3:41
  encouraged
• 3:42
  to
• 3:42
  see
• 3:42
  that
• 3:43
  the
• 3:43
  those
• 3:43
  numbers
• 3:43
  are
• 3:44
  gonna
• 3:44
  align
• 3:44
  themself.
• 3:45
  I
• 3:45
  did
• 3:45
  travel
• 3:46
  down
• 3:46
  to
• 3:46
  Elkhart
• 3:47
  on
• 3:47
  Monday.
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  And
• 3:48
  I
• 3:48
  can
• 3:48
  tell
• 3:48
  you
• 3:49
  that
• 3:49
  going
• 3:50
  from
• 3:50
  Ontario
• 3:51
  down
• 3:51
  to
• 3:51
  Indiana,
• 3:52
  there
• 3:52
  were
• 3:53
  a
• 3:53
  considerable
• 3:54
  number
• 3:55
  of
• 3:55
  units
• 3:55
  that
• 3:56
  are
• 3:56
  coming
• 3:56
  back
• 3:56
  up
• 3:57
  north
• 3:57
  in
• 3:57
  commercial
• 3:58
  trucks.
• 3:58
  So
• 3:59
  they're
• 3:59
  on
• 3:59
  their
• 3:59
  way
• 3:59
  to
• 4:00
  be
• 4:00
  delivered
• 4:00
  to
• 4:00
  to
• 4:01
  our
• 4:01
  lots.
• 4:01
  And
• 4:02
  I
• 4:02
  think
• 4:02
  there's
• 4:02
  still
• 4:03
  some
• 4:03
  restocking
• 4:04
  we're
• 4:04
  very
• 4:04
  much
• 4:04
  right
• 4:05
  in
• 4:05
  the
• 4:05
  middle
• 4:05
  of
• 4:05
  our
• 4:05
  selling
• 4:05
  season
• 4:06
  up
• 4:06
  here
• 4:06
  in
• 4:06
  Canada.
• 4:07
  So
• 4:07
  it's
• 4:07
  great
• 4:07
  to
• 4:07
  see
• 4:08
  that
• 4:08
  the
• 4:08
  the
• 4:08
  units
• 4:09
  are
• 4:09
  starting
• 4:09
  to,
• 4:09
  come
• 4:09
  up
• 4:10
  here
• 4:10
  again.
• 4:10
  So
• 4:11
  is
• 4:12
  there
• 4:12
  a
• 4:12
  sense
• 4:12
  that,
• 4:13
  and
• 4:13
  obviously
• 4:14
  this
• 4:14
  is
• 4:14
  good
• 4:15
  news,
• 4:15
  I
• 4:15
  think
• 4:15
  from
• 4:16
  a,
• 4:16
  more
• 4:16
  inventory
• 4:17
  for
• 4:18
  dealers,
• 4:18
  more
• 4:18
  inventory
• 4:19
  for
• 4:19
  consumers,
• 4:19
  more
• 4:19
  choices,
• 4:20
  all
• 4:20
  those
• 4:20
  kinds
• 4:20
  of
• 4:20
  things.
• 4:21
  Is
• 4:21
  there
• 4:22
  a
• 4:22
  sense
• 4:22
  that
• 4:22
  even
• 4:23
  though
• 4:23
  this
• 4:23
  is
• 4:23
  slowing
• 4:24
  down,
• 4:24
  but
• 4:24
  not
• 4:25
  really
• 4:25
  as
• 4:25
  we've
• 4:26
  discussed,
• 4:27
  is
• 4:27
  there
• 4:27
  a
• 4:27
  sense
• 4:27
  of,
• 4:28
  is
• 4:28
  there
• 4:28
  a
• 4:28
  segment
• 4:29
  of
• 4:29
  RVs
• 4:30
  that
• 4:30
  are.
• 4:31
  Selling
• 4:31
  less.
• 4:33
  In
• 4:33
  other
• 4:33
  words,
• 4:33
  is
• 4:33
  it
• 4:33
  across
• 4:34
  the
• 4:34
  board,
• 4:35
  all
• 4:35
  types
• 4:35
  of
• 4:36
  manufacturers,
• 4:37
  model
• 4:37
  sizes
• 4:37
  that
• 4:38
  are
• 4:38
  slowing
• 4:38
  down,
• 4:39
  just
• 4:39
  recuperating
• 4:40
  and
• 4:40
  taking
• 4:40
  a
• 4:40
  breath
• 4:40
  in
• 4:40
  2021,
• 4:41
  or
• 4:41
  is
• 4:42
  it
• 4:42
  larger
• 4:42
  ones
• 4:42
  that
• 4:43
  are
• 4:43
  slowing
• 4:43
  down
• 4:43
  because
• 4:43
  of
• 4:43
  gas
• 4:44
  prices?
• 4:44
  Or
• 4:44
  do
• 4:44
  we
• 4:44
  not
• 4:45
  know
• 4:45
  that
• 4:45
  yet?
• 4:45
  From
• 4:45
  our
• 4:45
  side,
• 4:46
  when
• 4:46
  I'm
• 4:46
  just
• 4:46
  looking
• 4:47
  at
• 4:47
  my
• 4:47
  stats
• 4:47
  over
• 4:47
  here
• 4:48
  right
• 4:48
  now,
• 4:48
  everything
• 4:49
  seems
• 4:49
  to
• 4:49
  be
• 4:49
  down
• 4:50
  about
• 4:50
  the
• 4:51
  same.
• 4:51
  In
• 4:51
  terms
• 4:52
  of,
• 4:52
  we
• 4:52
  said
• 4:52
  15%
• 4:53
  nationally
• 4:54
  and
• 4:54
  all
• 4:55
  RV
• 4:55
  trailers
• 4:56
  are
• 4:56
  17,
• 4:56
  19%
• 4:57
  for
• 4:57
  fifth
• 4:58
  wheels.
• 4:58
  One
• 4:58
  thing
• 4:59
  we're
• 4:59
  noticing
• 4:59
  is
• 4:59
  there
• 4:59
  was
• 5:00
  a
• 5:00
  huge
• 5:00
  surge
• 5:00
  in
• 5:01
  class
• 5:01
  C
• 5:01
  motor
• 5:02
  home
• 5:02
  sales.
• 5:03
  So
• 5:04
  that's
• 5:04
  interesting
• 5:05
  because
• 5:05
  that
• 5:06
  may
• 5:06
  be
• 5:06
  the
• 5:06
  rental
• 5:07
  fleets
• 5:07
  that
• 5:07
  are
• 5:08
  being
• 5:08
  restocked,
• 5:09
  right?
• 5:09
  It
• 5:09
  may
• 5:10
  not
• 5:10
  just
• 5:10
  be
• 5:10
  the
• 5:10
  consumers.
• 5:11
  So
• 5:11
  those
• 5:11
  unique,
• 5:13
  which
• 5:13
  for
• 5:13
  us
• 5:14
  is
• 5:14
  a
• 5:14
  very
• 5:15
  positive,
• 5:15
  because
• 5:16
  then
• 5:16
  it
• 5:16
  means
• 5:16
  that
• 5:16
  the
• 5:16
  rental
• 5:17
  industries,
• 5:18
  are
• 5:18
  seeing
• 5:19
  the
• 5:19
  tourism
• 5:19
  the
• 5:20
  tourism
• 5:20
  coming
• 5:20
  in
• 5:20
  from
• 5:21
  international
• 5:21
  travel,
• 5:22
  people
• 5:22
  are
• 5:22
  coming
• 5:23
  back
• 5:23
  to
• 5:24
  to
• 5:24
  participate
• 5:25
  in
• 5:25
  travel
• 5:26
  across
• 5:26
  Canada
• 5:26
  in
• 5:26
  their
• 5:27
  RV.
• 5:27
  So
• 5:27
  that's
• 5:27
  a
• 5:27
  very
• 5:28
  encouraging
• 5:28
  number
• 5:29
  for
• 5:29
  us,
• 5:29
  but
• 5:29
  overall
• 5:30
  it's
• 5:30
  pretty,
• 5:31
  even
• 5:31
  across
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  board.
• 5:33
  Cara,
• 5:33
  have
• 5:33
  you
• 5:34
  seen
• 5:34
  similar
• 5:34
  things?
• 5:35
  I
• 5:35
  don't
• 5:35
  know
• 5:35
  if
• 5:35
  you've
• 5:35
  had
• 5:36
  a
• 5:36
  chance
• 5:36
  to
• 5:36
  chat
• 5:36
  with
• 5:37
  Alberta.
• 5:38
  Specifically
• 5:38
  about
• 5:39
  these?
• 5:39
  Yeah,
• 5:39
  no,
• 5:40
  I
• 5:40
  we
• 5:40
  haven't
• 5:41
  seen,
• 5:41
  I
• 5:42
  think
• 5:42
  recent
• 5:43
  numbers
• 5:43
  in
• 5:43
  Alberta
• 5:44
  and
• 5:44
  Eleanor
• 5:45
  would
• 5:45
  have
• 5:45
  all
• 5:45
  of
• 5:46
  those
• 5:46
  if
• 5:46
  we
• 5:46
  had.
• 5:47
  But
• 5:47
  I
• 5:47
  think
• 5:48
  individually
• 5:49
  speaking
• 5:49
  with
• 5:49
  dealers
• 5:49
  that
• 5:50
  I
• 5:51
  have
• 5:51
  working
• 5:51
  relationships
• 5:52
  with,
• 5:52
  I
• 5:52
  think
• 5:53
  everyone's
• 5:54
  everything
• 5:55
  Shannon
• 5:55
  and
• 5:55
  Eleanor
• 5:55
  are
• 5:56
  saying
• 5:56
  is
• 5:56
  being
• 5:56
  echoed
• 5:57
  there
• 5:57
  as
• 5:57
  well.
• 5:57
  They're
• 5:57
  still
• 5:57
  seeing
• 5:58
  sales
• 5:59
  and
• 5:59
  things
• 5:59
  are
• 5:59
  going
• 6:00
  well
• 6:00
  in
• 6:01
  dealerships
• 6:01
  right
• 6:01
  now.
• 6:01
  So
• 6:03
  that's
• 6:03
  good.
• 6:03
  I
• 6:03
  think
• 6:03
  they're
• 6:04
  playing
• 6:04
  a
• 6:04
  bit
• 6:04
  of
• 6:04
  catch
• 6:05
  up
• 6:05
  for
• 6:05
  a
• 6:05
  little
• 6:05
  while.
• 6:06
  And
• 6:06
  it's
• 6:06
  good
• 6:06
  to
• 6:06
  see
• 6:07
  that,
• 6:07
  that
• 6:08
  really
• 6:08
  stressful
• 6:09
  portion
• 6:09
  of
• 6:09
  this
• 6:10
  maybe
• 6:10
  they've
• 6:10
  got
• 6:10
  a
• 6:10
  bit
• 6:11
  of
• 6:11
  a
• 6:11
  breather
• 6:11
  thing
• 6:12
  on
• 6:12
  that
• 6:12
  front
• 6:12
  specifically,
• 6:13
  but
• 6:13
  I
• 6:13
  think
• 6:14
  moving
• 6:14
  units
• 6:14
  across
• 6:15
  where
• 6:15
  bring
• 6:16
  them
• 6:16
  up
• 6:17
  with
• 6:17
  priority
• 6:18
  and
• 6:18
  it
• 6:18
  sounds
• 6:18
  like
• 6:18
  that's
• 6:19
  happening.
• 6:19
  All
• 6:19
  the
• 6:19
  great
• 6:19
  things.
• 6:20
  Line
• 6:20
  it
• 6:20
  up
• 6:20
  perfectly
• 6:21
  good.
• 6:24
  Good
• 6:25
  to
• 6:25
  hear.
• 6:25
  Okay.
• 6:25
  So
• 6:25
  a
• 6:26
  couple
• 6:26
  quick
• 6:26
  housekeeping
• 6:27
  notes
• 6:27
  that
• 6:27
  I
• 6:27
  forgot
• 6:27
  to
• 6:27
  mention
• 6:28
  at
• 6:28
  the
• 6:28
  top
• 6:28
  of
• 6:28
  the
• 6:28
  show.
• 6:28
  One
• 6:29
  is
• 6:29
  I
• 6:29
  always
• 6:29
  forget
• 6:30
  to
• 6:30
  say
• 6:30
  that
• 6:30
  our
• 6:30
  show
• 6:31
  is
• 6:31
  sponsored
• 6:31
  this
• 6:32
  week
• 6:32
  by
• 6:32
  camp
• 6:32
  spot.
• 6:33
  So
• 6:33
  if
• 6:33
  you're
• 6:34
  interested
• 6:34
  in
• 6:34
  reservation
• 6:34
  system
• 6:35
  for
• 6:35
  your
• 6:35
  Campground,
• 6:35
  they
• 6:35
  are
• 6:35
  a
• 6:36
  Campground
• 6:36
  management
• 6:37
  platform
• 6:37
  that
• 6:37
  both
• 6:38
  staff
• 6:38
  and
• 6:38
  guests
• 6:39
  love
• 6:39
  that's
• 6:40
  their
• 6:40
  quote.
• 6:40
  So
• 6:40
  I
• 6:40
  work
• 6:41
  with
• 6:41
  camp
• 6:41
  spot
• 6:41
  closely.
• 6:42
  We
• 6:42
  know
• 6:42
  we
• 6:42
  have
• 6:42
  a
• 6:42
  lot
• 6:42
  of
• 6:42
  parks
• 6:43
  who
• 6:43
  use
• 6:43
  their
• 6:43
  software
• 6:43
  and
• 6:44
  things
• 6:44
  like
• 6:44
  that.
• 6:44
  Super
• 6:44
  happy
• 6:45
  to
• 6:45
  have
• 6:45
  them
• 6:45
  as
• 6:45
  a
• 6:45
  sponsor.
• 6:46
  And
• 6:46
  then
• 6:46
  they
• 6:46
  also
• 6:47
  have
• 6:47
  the
• 6:47
  camp
• 6:47
  spot
• 6:47
  marketplace
• 6:48
  side
• 6:48
  too.
• 6:48
  Which
• 6:48
  is,
• 6:49
  as
• 6:49
  we
• 6:49
  talk
• 6:49
  about
• 6:49
  all
• 6:50
  these
• 6:50
  consumers
• 6:50
  buying
• 6:51
  RVs
• 6:51
  and
• 6:51
  having
• 6:51
  more
• 6:51
  choices
• 6:52
  in
• 6:52
  the
• 6:52
  lots
• 6:52
  and
• 6:52
  things
• 6:53
  like
• 6:53
  that,
• 6:53
  places
• 6:53
  like
• 6:54
  camp
• 6:54
  spots,
• 6:54
  marketplace
• 6:55
  help
• 6:55
  them
• 6:55
  find
• 6:56
  a
• 6:56
  place
• 6:56
  to
• 6:56
  camp
• 6:57
  in,
• 6:57
  I
• 6:57
  think
• 6:58
  just
• 6:58
  the
• 6:58
  us
• 6:58
  now,
• 6:59
  but
• 6:59
  I
• 6:59
  obviously
• 7:00
  they're
• 7:00
  gonna
• 7:00
  expand
• 7:01
  to
• 7:01
  Canada.
• 7:01
  I'm
• 7:02
  almost
• 7:02
  certain
• 7:02
  there,
• 7:03
  there
• 7:03
  are
• 7:03
  some
• 7:03
  parks
• 7:04
  in
• 7:04
  Canada
• 7:04
  listed
• 7:05
  on
• 7:05
  marketplace.
• 7:05
  I'm
• 7:06
  quite
• 7:06
  sure
• 7:06
  are
• 7:06
  there.
• 7:08
  okay.
• 7:08
  I
• 7:08
  could
• 7:08
  remember
• 7:08
  last
• 7:09
  time
• 7:09
  I
• 7:09
  looked
• 7:09
  so
• 7:09
  anyway
• 7:09
  camp
• 7:10
  spot,
• 7:10
  thank
• 7:10
  you
• 7:10
  for
• 7:11
  being
• 7:11
  a
• 7:11
  sponsor
• 7:12
  of
• 7:12
  this
• 7:12
  episode.
• 7:12
  We
• 7:12
  are
• 7:13
  very
• 7:13
  appreciative
• 7:14
  of
• 7:14
  that.
• 7:15
  And
• 7:15
  then
• 7:16
  we'll
• 7:16
  see
• 7:16
  if
• 7:16
  we
• 7:16
  can
• 7:16
  get
• 7:16
  through
• 7:16
  this
• 7:16
  whole
• 7:16
  show.
• 7:17
  I
• 7:17
  wanna
• 7:17
  talk
• 7:17
  to
• 7:18
  Kurt
• 7:18
  next
• 7:18
  about
• 7:19
  his
• 7:19
  trips
• 7:20
  to
• 7:20
  all
• 7:20
  the
• 7:20
  different
• 7:21
  national
• 7:21
  parks
• 7:21
  and
• 7:21
  what
• 7:21
  he's
• 7:22
  seen
• 7:22
  and
• 7:22
  stuff
• 7:22
  like
• 7:22
  that.
• 7:22
  If
• 7:23
  I
• 7:23
  happen
• 7:23
  to
• 7:23
  fade
• 7:23
  in
• 7:24
  and
• 7:24
  out
• 7:24
  and
• 7:24
  break
• 7:24
  it'll
• 7:25
  be
• 7:25
  a
• 7:25
  better
• 7:25
  show
• 7:25
  period.
• 7:25
  It'll
• 7:26
  take
• 7:26
  for
• 7:26
  me,
• 7:26
  it's
• 7:26
  40
• 7:27
  degrees,
• 7:28
  which
• 7:28
  is
• 7:28
  why
• 7:28
  I'm
• 7:29
  sheltered
• 7:30
  under
• 7:30
  my
• 7:30
  hat
• 7:30
  and
• 7:30
  sunglasses.
• 7:31
  And
• 7:32
  for
• 7:32
  those
• 7:32
  of
• 7:32
  you
• 7:32
  in
• 7:32
  the
• 7:32
  us,
• 7:33
  it's
• 7:33
  about
• 7:34
  a
• 7:34
  hundred
• 7:34
  ish.
• 7:35
  We're
• 7:35
  approaching
• 7:35
  it
• 7:36
  very
• 7:36
  quickly.
• 7:36
  So
• 7:37
  Kurt
• 7:37
  what's
• 7:38
  going
• 7:38
  on,
• 7:38
  tell
• 7:38
  us
• 7:38
  about
• 7:39
  some
• 7:39
  of
• 7:39
  your
• 7:39
  cool
• 7:39
  trips
• 7:40
  you've
• 7:40
  taken
• 7:40
  and
• 7:40
  what
• 7:40
  you've
• 7:41
  seen
• 7:41
  at
• 7:41
  the
• 7:41
  national
• 7:41
  parks.
• 7:41
  I
• 7:41
  took
• 7:42
  off
• 7:42
  in
• 7:42
  the
• 7:42
  late
• 7:43
  June.
• 7:44
  For
• 7:44
  a
• 7:44
  two
• 7:44
  week
• 7:44
  adventure
• 7:45
  and
• 7:45
  went
• 7:46
  across
• 7:46
  Wyoming
• 7:47
  through
• 7:47
  Nebraska,
• 7:48
  touched
• 7:49
  Iowa
• 7:49
  a
• 7:49
  bit
• 7:49
  and
• 7:50
  came
• 7:50
  back
• 7:50
  through
• 7:51
  Kansas
• 7:51
  and
• 7:52
  Colorado
• 7:53
  into
• 7:53
  Wyoming
• 7:53
  and
• 7:54
  then
• 7:54
  back
• 7:54
  to
• 7:54
  Wyoming
• 7:54
  back
• 7:55
  to
• 7:55
  Utah.
• 7:56
  So
• 7:56
  it
• 7:56
  was
• 7:56
  quite
• 7:56
  the
• 7:57
  long
• 7:57
  trip.
• 7:57
  Along
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  way,
• 7:59
  I
• 7:59
  got
• 7:59
  to
• 7:59
  visit
• 7:59
  four
• 7:59
  different
• 8:00
  units
• 8:00
  in
• 8:00
  the
• 8:00
  national
• 8:01
  park
• 8:01
  system.
• 8:02
  And
• 8:02
  there's
• 8:03
  two
• 8:03
  things
• 8:03
  that
• 8:04
  I
• 8:04
  guess
• 8:04
  I'd
• 8:04
  like
• 8:04
  to
• 8:04
  address.
• 8:05
  One
• 8:05
  is
• 8:06
  I
• 8:06
  saw
• 8:06
  a
• 8:06
  lot
• 8:07
  of
• 8:07
  RV
• 8:07
  traffic
• 8:07
  on
• 8:08
  the
• 8:08
  highway.
• 8:08
  The
• 8:08
  gas
• 8:09
  prices
• 8:09
  hadn't
• 8:09
  jumped
• 8:10
  up
• 8:10
  too
• 8:10
  high
• 8:11
  at
• 8:11
  that
• 8:11
  point.
• 8:12
  I
• 8:12
  think
• 8:12
  I
• 8:12
  was
• 8:12
  paying
• 8:13
  between
• 8:13
  4
• 8:14
  23
• 8:14
  and
• 8:14
  4
• 8:15
  79
• 8:15
  a
• 8:15
  gallon
• 8:16
  and
• 8:16
  saw
• 8:16
  a
• 8:16
  lot
• 8:16
  of
• 8:17
  fifth
• 8:17
  wheels
• 8:17
  a
• 8:17
  lot
• 8:18
  of
• 8:18
  trailers
• 8:18
  out
• 8:18
  there.
• 8:19
  So
• 8:19
  it,
• 8:19
  that
• 8:19
  was
• 8:20
  pretty
• 8:20
  impressive.
• 8:20
  I
• 8:21
  went
• 8:21
  to
• 8:21
  four
• 8:21
  units
• 8:22
  of
• 8:22
  the
• 8:22
  park
• 8:22
  system
• 8:22
  that
• 8:23
  are
• 8:23
  not
• 8:23
  your
• 8:23
  name,
• 8:23
  brand
• 8:24
  household
• 8:24
  name,
• 8:25
  brand
• 8:25
  parks.
• 8:26
  I
• 8:26
  went
• 8:26
  to
• 8:26
  Scott's
• 8:26
  bluff
• 8:27
  national
• 8:27
  monument
• 8:28
  in
• 8:28
  Western
• 8:28
  Nebraska
• 8:29
  went
• 8:30
  to
• 8:30
  Tallgrass
• 8:30
  Prairie,
• 8:31
  national
• 8:31
  historical
• 8:32
  park
• 8:32
  in
• 8:33
  Southeastern
• 8:33
  Nebraska.
• 8:35
  And
• 8:35
  then
• 8:35
  down
• 8:35
  to
• 8:36
  Tallgrass
• 8:36
  Prairie
• 8:36
  national
• 8:37
  preserve
• 8:37
  in
• 8:38
  Kansas,
• 8:38
  as
• 8:38
  well
• 8:39
  as
• 8:39
  Fort
• 8:39
  Lauren
• 8:39
  national
• 8:40
  historic
• 8:41
  site
• 8:42
  in
• 8:42
  Kansas.
• 8:43
  And
• 8:43
  each
• 8:43
  one
• 8:43
  offers
• 8:44
  a
• 8:44
  little
• 8:44
  different
• 8:45
  flavor.
• 8:45
  Scott's
• 8:45
  bluff
• 8:46
  is
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  Oregon
• 8:47
  trail
• 8:47
  went
• 8:47
  through.
• 8:48
  And,
• 8:48
  it
• 8:48
  was
• 8:48
  the
• 8:48
  end
• 8:48
  of
• 8:48
  the
• 8:49
  Prairie.
• 8:49
  And
• 8:49
  here
• 8:49
  come
• 8:49
  the
• 8:50
  Rocky
• 8:50
  mountains
• 8:50
  and
• 8:50
  look
• 8:51
  out
• 8:51
  for
• 8:51
  that.
• 8:52
  Homestead
• 8:52
  national
• 8:52
  historical
• 8:53
  park
• 8:54
  is
• 8:54
  all
• 8:54
  about
• 8:54
  the
• 8:54
  homestead
• 8:55
  act
• 8:55
  of
• 8:56
  1863,
• 8:57
  where
• 8:57
  the
• 8:57
  federal
• 8:57
  government
• 8:58
  came
• 8:58
  and
• 8:58
  said,
• 8:58
  Hey,
• 8:59
  if
• 8:59
  you
• 8:59
  can
• 8:59
  go
• 8:59
  out
• 8:59
  there
• 9:00
  and
• 9:01
  team
• 9:02
  anywhere
• 9:02
  from
• 9:02
  40
• 9:03
  to
• 9:03
  160
• 9:03
  acres
• 9:04
  for
• 9:04
  five
• 9:04
  years
• 9:05
  and
• 9:05
  show
• 9:05
  that
• 9:05
  you've
• 9:05
  made
• 9:05
  a
• 9:05
  productive,
• 9:06
  you
• 9:06
  can
• 9:06
  have
• 9:06
  it
• 9:06
  for
• 9:07
  free
• 9:07
  tall
• 9:07
  grads,
• 9:08
  Prairie
• 9:09
  preserves,
• 9:09
  a
• 9:09
  remnant
• 9:10
  of
• 9:10
  the
• 9:10
  tall
• 9:10
  grass
• 9:10
  Prairie
• 9:11
  that
• 9:11
  once
• 9:11
  swept
• 9:12
  across
• 9:12
  170
• 9:13
  million
• 9:14
  acres
• 9:15
  of
• 9:15
  north
• 9:15
  America,
• 9:16
  Canada,
• 9:16
  and
• 9:16
  the
• 9:16
  us.
• 9:17
  And
• 9:17
  then
• 9:17
  Fort
• 9:18
  LAR
• 9:18
  national
• 9:18
  historic
• 9:19
  site
• 9:19
  is
• 9:19
  a
• 9:20
  civil
• 9:20
  war
• 9:20
  era
• 9:21
  Fort
• 9:21
  it's
• 9:22
  the
• 9:22
  best
• 9:22
  civil
• 9:22
  war
• 9:23
  era
• 9:23
  Fort
• 9:24
  preserved
• 9:24
  in
• 9:24
  the
• 9:24
  national
• 9:25
  park
• 9:25
  system.
• 9:26
  And
• 9:26
  it's
• 9:26
  really
• 9:27
  interesting
• 9:27
  to
• 9:27
  see
• 9:27
  how
• 9:28
  the
• 9:28
  soldiers
• 9:28
  lived
• 9:29
  and
• 9:29
  out
• 9:29
  there
• 9:29
  on
• 9:30
  the
• 9:30
  frontier.
• 9:31
  But
• 9:32
  what
• 9:32
  I
• 9:32
  came
• 9:32
  away
• 9:32
  with
• 9:33
  was
• 9:33
  in
• 9:34
  addition
• 9:34
  to
• 9:34
  the,
• 9:35
  that
• 9:35
  the
• 9:35
  RV
• 9:35
  traffic
• 9:36
  I
• 9:36
  saw
• 9:36
  out
• 9:36
  there
• 9:37
  on
• 9:37
  the
• 9:37
  highways
• 9:38
  it
• 9:38
  didn't
• 9:38
  seem
• 9:38
  to
• 9:38
  be
• 9:38
  slowing
• 9:39
  down
• 9:39
  at
• 9:39
  all,
• 9:40
  but
• 9:40
  there's
• 9:40
  a
• 9:40
  real
• 9:41
  concern
• 9:41
  in
• 9:41
  the
• 9:41
  national
• 9:42
  park
• 9:42
  system,
• 9:42
  the
• 9:43
  national
• 9:43
  park
• 9:43
  service
• 9:44
  that
• 9:44
  most
• 9:44
  of
• 9:44
  the
• 9:44
  visitors
• 9:45
  in
• 9:45
  the
• 9:45
  national
• 9:45
  parks
• 9:46
  only
• 9:46
  going
• 9:46
  to
• 9:46
  25
• 9:47
  units.
• 9:48
  Last
• 9:48
  year
• 9:48
  there
• 9:48
  was
• 9:48
  roughly
• 9:49
  300
• 9:49
  million
• 9:50
  visitors
• 9:50
  to
• 9:50
  the
• 9:51
  us
• 9:51
  national
• 9:51
  park
• 9:52
  system.
• 9:53
  And
• 9:53
  about
• 9:53
  150
• 9:54
  million,
• 9:55
  one
• 9:55
  50
• 9:56
  went
• 9:56
  to
• 9:56
  just
• 9:57
  25
• 9:57
  parks.
• 9:58
  Your
• 9:58
  Yellowstones,
• 9:59
  your
• 9:59
  grand
• 9:59
  canyon
• 10:00
  Jem,
• 10:00
  your
• 10:01
  blue
• 10:01
  Ridge
• 10:01
  parkways.
• 10:02
  And
• 10:03
  I
• 10:03
  sat
• 10:03
  in
• 10:03
  on
• 10:03
  a
• 10:03
  zoom
• 10:04
  presentation
• 10:04
  yesterday
• 10:05
  in
• 10:05
  the.
• 10:06
  The
• 10:06
  director
• 10:06
  of
• 10:06
  the
• 10:07
  national
• 10:07
  park
• 10:07
  service,
• 10:08
  Chuck
• 10:08
  Sams
• 10:08
  was
• 10:09
  pondering
• 10:09
  about
• 10:09
  that
• 10:10
  and
• 10:10
  trying
• 10:10
  to
• 10:10
  figure
• 10:10
  out,
• 10:10
  why
• 10:11
  is
• 10:11
  that?
• 10:12
  And
• 10:12
  one
• 10:12
  reason
• 10:13
  is
• 10:13
  that
• 10:13
  the
• 10:13
  national
• 10:13
  park
• 10:14
  service
• 10:14
  does
• 10:14
  not
• 10:14
  advertise
• 10:15
  these
• 10:15
  sites.
• 10:16
  Yeah.
• 10:16
  But
• 10:16
  I
• 10:16
  can
• 10:16
  tell
• 10:17
  you
• 10:17
  in
• 10:17
  my
• 10:17
  travels
• 10:18
  it
• 10:18
  was
• 10:18
  very
• 10:18
  reflective.
• 10:19
  There
• 10:19
  weren't
• 10:20
  a
• 10:20
  lot
• 10:20
  of
• 10:20
  people
• 10:20
  there.
• 10:21
  I
• 10:21
  had
• 10:21
  Fort
• 10:21
  Lauren
• 10:21
  almost
• 10:22
  to
• 10:22
  myself.
• 10:23
  I
• 10:23
  had
• 10:24
  Tallgrass
• 10:24
  Perry.
• 10:25
  I
• 10:25
  shared
• 10:25
  probably
• 10:25
  with
• 10:25
  about
• 10:26
  20
• 10:26
  other
• 10:26
  people
• 10:27
  homestead,
• 10:27
  national
• 10:28
  historical
• 10:28
  park,
• 10:29
  maybe
• 10:29
  five
• 10:30
  people.
• 10:30
  So
• 10:31
  on
• 10:31
  one,
• 10:32
  one
• 10:32
  hand
• 10:32
  it's
• 10:32
  really
• 10:32
  alarming.
• 10:33
  These
• 10:33
  are
• 10:33
  wonderful
• 10:34
  sites.
• 10:34
  They're
• 10:35
  poignant
• 10:35
  points
• 10:36
  in
• 10:36
  American
• 10:36
  history
• 10:38
  and
• 10:38
  in
• 10:38
  what
• 10:38
  they
• 10:38
  interpret
• 10:39
  and
• 10:39
  people
• 10:40
  are
• 10:40
  just
• 10:40
  driving
• 10:40
  past
• 10:41
  them.
• 10:41
  And
• 10:41
  I'm
• 10:41
  not
• 10:42
  sure
• 10:42
  why
• 10:42
  that
• 10:43
  is
• 10:43
  exactly
• 10:44
  if
• 10:44
  it's
• 10:44
  because
• 10:44
  the
• 10:44
  park
• 10:45
  service
• 10:45
  doesn't
• 10:45
  advertise
• 10:46
  them.
• 10:46
  If
• 10:47
  people,
• 10:49
  it
• 10:49
  has
• 10:49
  to
• 10:49
  what's
• 10:50
  that
• 10:50
  it
• 10:50
  has
• 10:51
  to
• 10:51
  be
• 10:51
  awareness.
• 10:51
  They
• 10:51
  just
• 10:52
  don't
• 10:52
  know
• 10:52
  what
• 10:52
  they're
• 10:53
  missing.
• 10:53
  Yeah.
• 10:54
  Possibly,
• 10:54
  the
• 10:55
  traveler
• 10:56
  promotes
• 10:56
  these
• 10:56
  parks
• 10:57
  a
• 10:57
  lot.
• 10:57
  We
• 10:57
  try
• 10:57
  and
• 10:57
  promote
• 10:58
  every
• 10:58
  unit
• 10:58
  in
• 10:58
  the
• 10:58
  national
• 10:59
  park
• 10:59
  system.
• 10:59
  Certainly
• 11:00
  they're
• 11:00
  not
• 11:00
  in
• 11:00
  the
• 11:00
  news
• 11:01
  as
• 11:01
  much
• 11:01
  as
• 11:01
  Yellowstone
• 11:02
  because
• 11:03
  frankly
• 11:03
  Yellowstone
• 11:04
  is
• 11:04
  one
• 11:04
  of
• 11:04
  the
• 11:04
  better
• 11:05
  communications
• 11:06
  staffs
• 11:06
  in
• 11:06
  the
• 11:07
  park
• 11:07
  system.
• 11:08
  I
• 11:08
  think
• 11:08
  there
• 11:08
  are
• 11:08
  12
• 11:09
  units
• 11:09
  of
• 11:09
  the
• 11:09
  national
• 11:10
  park
• 11:10
  system
• 11:10
  that
• 11:10
  have
• 11:11
  full-time
• 11:11
  communication
• 11:12
  staff,
• 11:12
  12
• 11:13
  out
• 11:13
  of
• 11:13
  423.
• 11:14
  So
• 11:14
  that's
• 11:15
  part
• 11:15
  of
• 11:15
  the
• 11:15
  problem
• 11:15
  right
• 11:15
  there.
• 11:16
  The
• 11:16
  individual
• 11:16
  parks
• 11:17
  just
• 11:17
  don't
• 11:17
  have
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  staff
• 11:18
  to
• 11:18
  tell
• 11:19
  people
• 11:19
  what
• 11:19
  they're
• 11:19
  doing.
• 11:19
  Back
• 11:20
  in
• 11:20
  2015
• 11:21
  before
• 11:21
  the
• 11:22
  national
• 11:22
  park
• 11:22
  services
• 11:23
  Centennial
• 11:23
  in
• 11:23
  2016,
• 11:25
  I
• 11:25
  had
• 11:25
  the
• 11:25
  opportunity
• 11:26
  to
• 11:26
  spend
• 11:26
  a
• 11:26
  good
• 11:26
  part
• 11:27
  of
• 11:27
  a
• 11:27
  day
• 11:27
  with
• 11:27
  the
• 11:27
  superintendent
• 11:28
  from
• 11:28
  glacier
• 11:28
  national
• 11:29
  park.
• 11:30
  And
• 11:30
  I
• 11:30
  said,
• 11:30
  the
• 11:31
  problem
• 11:31
  you
• 11:31
  guys
• 11:31
  have
• 11:31
  is
• 11:32
  you
• 11:32
  got
• 11:32
  all
• 11:32
  these
• 11:32
  great
• 11:32
  stories,
• 11:33
  but
• 11:34
  you
• 11:34
  don't
• 11:34
  have
• 11:34
  the
• 11:34
  staff
• 11:34
  to
• 11:35
  tell.
• 11:36
  So
• 11:36
  I
• 11:36
  think
• 11:36
  it
• 11:36
  ranges
• 11:37
  up
• 11:37
  and
• 11:37
  down
• 11:37
  the
• 11:37
  tire
• 11:38
  park
• 11:38
  system
• 11:38
  from
• 11:39
  Washington,
• 11:39
  not
• 11:39
  being
• 11:40
  able
• 11:40
  to
• 11:40
  advertise
• 11:41
  Congress,
• 11:41
  won't
• 11:41
  let
• 11:41
  them
• 11:42
  advertise
• 11:43
  to
• 11:43
  individual
• 11:44
  national
• 11:44
  parks.
• 11:45
  Don't
• 11:45
  have
• 11:45
  the
• 11:45
  staff
• 11:46
  to
• 11:46
  generate
• 11:46
  press
• 11:47
  releases
• 11:48
  to
• 11:48
  send
• 11:48
  out
• 11:48
  to
• 11:49
  the
• 11:49
  traveler
• 11:50
  and
• 11:50
  other
• 11:50
  media.
• 11:51
  And
• 11:51
  of
• 11:51
  course,
• 11:52
  it's
• 11:52
  probably
• 11:52
  been
• 11:52
  the
• 11:52
  same
• 11:52
  in
• 11:53
  Canada,
• 11:53
  but
• 11:53
  the
• 11:54
  journalism
• 11:54
  industry
• 11:54
  in
• 11:55
  the
• 11:55
  United
• 11:55
  States
• 11:55
  is
• 11:55
  not
• 11:56
  doing
• 11:56
  well.
• 11:56
  Since
• 11:57
  2014,
• 11:57
  I
• 11:58
  think
• 11:58
  we've
• 11:58
  lost
• 11:58
  almost
• 11:59
  2000
• 12:00
  daily
• 12:00
  newspapers
• 12:01
  across
• 12:01
  the
• 12:01
  country.
• 12:02
  Thanks
• 12:02
  to
• 12:03
  Facebook
• 12:03
  and
• 12:03
  Google
• 12:04
  and
• 12:04
  other
• 12:04
  online
• 12:05
  entities.
• 12:06
  And
• 12:06
  so
• 12:06
  there's
• 12:07
  just
• 12:07
  not
• 12:07
  that
• 12:07
  many
• 12:07
  media
• 12:08
  out
• 12:08
  there
• 12:08
  to
• 12:08
  promote
• 12:09
  these
• 12:09
  places.
• 12:10
  And
• 12:10
  one
• 12:10
  thing
• 12:11
  we're
• 12:11
  trying
• 12:11
  to
• 12:11
  do
• 12:11
  this
• 12:12
  year
• 12:12
  at
• 12:12
  the
• 12:12
  traveler
• 12:12
  is
• 12:13
  promote
• 12:13
  the
• 12:13
  smaller
• 12:14
  parks
• 12:14
  the
• 12:14
  Fort
• 12:15
  Lage,
• 12:15
  the
• 12:15
  Tallgrass
• 12:16
  prairies,
• 12:17
  and
• 12:17
  they
• 12:17
  all
• 12:17
  have
• 12:17
  wonderful
• 12:18
  stories
• 12:18
  to
• 12:18
  tell.
• 12:18
  I
• 12:18
  really
• 12:19
  enjoyed
• 12:19
  my
• 12:19
  visits
• 12:19
  to
• 12:20
  teach
• 12:20
  one
• 12:20
  and
• 12:20
  I'm
• 12:20
  enjoying
• 12:21
  writing
• 12:21
  the
• 12:21
  stories
• 12:22
  about
• 12:22
  them.
• 12:24
  Do
• 12:24
  you
• 12:24
  think
• 12:24
  that
• 12:25
  and
• 12:25
  maybe
• 12:25
  this
• 12:25
  is
• 12:25
  a
• 12:25
  question
• 12:26
  for
• 12:26
  rich
• 12:26
  who
• 12:26
  we're
• 12:26
  gonna
• 12:26
  bring
• 12:27
  in
• 12:27
  and
• 12:27
  introduce
• 12:27
  here
• 12:27
  in
• 12:27
  a
• 12:28
  second.
• 12:28
  Do
• 12:28
  you
• 12:28
  think
• 12:28
  that
• 12:29
  as
• 12:29
  consumer
• 12:29
  behavior
• 12:30
  continues
• 12:31
  to
• 12:32
  change,
• 12:33
  like
• 12:33
  we've
• 12:33
  seen,
• 12:34
  and
• 12:34
  we've
• 12:34
  touched
• 12:34
  on
• 12:35
  this
• 12:35
  before
• 12:35
  on
• 12:35
  the
• 12:35
  show,
• 12:35
  we've
• 12:35
  seen
• 12:36
  some
• 12:36
  of
• 12:36
  the
• 12:36
  retail
• 12:37
  shows
• 12:37
  that
• 12:37
  we've
• 12:37
  been
• 12:38
  to
• 12:38
  Karen
• 12:38
  and
• 12:38
  I
• 12:38
  went
• 12:38
  to
• 12:38
  one
• 12:38
  in
• 12:39
  Alberta
• 12:39
  here
• 12:39
  in,
• 12:39
  in
• 12:40
  Calgary
• 12:40
  a
• 12:40
  few
• 12:40
  months
• 12:41
  ago,
• 12:41
  or
• 12:41
  however
• 12:41
  long
• 12:42
  ago
• 12:42
  that
• 12:42
  was,
• 12:42
  but
• 12:42
  the
• 12:43
  trend
• 12:43
  toward
• 12:43
  the
• 12:43
  smaller
• 12:44
  trailers,
• 12:45
  do
• 12:45
  you,
• 12:45
  as
• 12:46
  you
• 12:46
  see
• 12:46
  that
• 12:46
  as
• 12:46
  you
• 12:46
  see
• 12:47
  the
• 12:47
  millennials
• 12:48
  wanna,
• 12:48
  and
• 12:49
  I
• 12:49
  don't
• 12:49
  know
• 12:49
  what
• 12:49
  the
• 12:49
  official
• 12:49
  definition
• 12:50
  of
• 12:50
  Overland
• 12:51
  is
• 12:51
  to
• 12:51
  me,
• 12:51
  it's
• 12:51
  Overland,
• 12:52
  which
• 12:52
  is
• 12:52
  what
• 12:52
  everybody
• 12:53
  does,
• 12:53
  which
• 12:53
  I'm
• 12:54
  surely
• 12:54
  I'm
• 12:54
  wrong
• 12:55
  about.
• 12:55
  But
• 12:56
  do
• 12:56
  you
• 12:56
  think
• 12:56
  as
• 12:56
  that
• 12:56
  behavior
• 12:57
  changes
• 12:57
  that
• 12:57
  there's
• 12:57
  more
• 12:58
  of
• 12:58
  an
• 12:58
  opportunity
• 12:59
  to
• 12:59
  make
• 12:59
  some
• 12:59
  of
• 12:59
  these
• 13:00
  smaller
• 13:00
  parks
• 13:00
  that
• 13:01
  don't
• 13:01
  have
• 13:01
  the
• 13:01
  larger
• 13:01
  facilities
• 13:02
  or
• 13:02
  the
• 13:03
  big
• 13:03
  private
• 13:03
  parks
• 13:04
  nearby,
• 13:04
  more
• 13:04
  accessible
• 13:05
  to
• 13:05
  people,
• 13:06
  and
• 13:06
  I
• 13:06
  guess
• 13:06
  maybe
• 13:06
  briefly
• 13:07
  to
• 13:07
  you
• 13:07
  Kurt,
• 13:07
  and
• 13:08
  then
• 13:08
  we'll
• 13:08
  have
• 13:08
  rich
• 13:08
  introduce
• 13:09
  himself
• 13:09
  and
• 13:09
  talk
• 13:10
  about
• 13:10
  why
• 13:10
  we
• 13:11
  have
• 13:11
  him
• 13:11
  on
• 13:11
  shift.
• 13:11
  I
• 13:11
  think
• 13:12
  you.
• 13:12
  You've
• 13:13
  gotta
• 13:13
  point
• 13:13
  there,
• 13:13
  Brian,
• 13:14
  because
• 13:14
  each
• 13:15
  of
• 13:15
  the
• 13:15
  parks
• 13:15
  I
• 13:15
  went
• 13:15
  to,
• 13:16
  they
• 13:16
  don't
• 13:16
  have
• 13:16
  Campground,
• 13:17
  you'd
• 13:17
  have
• 13:17
  to
• 13:17
  find
• 13:17
  a
• 13:17
  commercial
• 13:18
  Campground
• 13:18
  someplace
• 13:19
  else.
• 13:20
  But
• 13:20
  I
• 13:20
  think
• 13:21
  a
• 13:21
  larger
• 13:21
  part
• 13:22
  probably
• 13:22
  is
• 13:22
  the
• 13:23
  lack
• 13:23
  of
• 13:23
  awareness
• 13:24
  because
• 13:25
  I
• 13:25
  ran
• 13:25
  into
• 13:26
  a
• 13:26
  couple
• 13:26
  from
• 13:26
  Ohio
• 13:28
  and
• 13:28
  they
• 13:28
  were
• 13:28
  driving
• 13:28
  out
• 13:28
  to
• 13:29
  grand
• 13:29
  Teton
• 13:30
  in
• 13:30
  Yellowstone.
• 13:30
  And
• 13:30
  I
• 13:30
  ran
• 13:31
  into
• 13:31
  them
• 13:31
  in
• 13:31
  Western
• 13:32
  Nebraska,
• 13:33
  and
• 13:33
  they
• 13:33
  had
• 13:34
  been
• 13:34
  that
• 13:34
  route
• 13:34
  before.
• 13:35
  And
• 13:35
  so
• 13:35
  they
• 13:35
  knew
• 13:35
  about
• 13:36
  Scott's
• 13:36
  bluff.
• 13:36
  And
• 13:36
  so
• 13:37
  they
• 13:37
  wanted
• 13:37
  to
• 13:37
  stop
• 13:38
  along
• 13:38
  the
• 13:38
  way
• 13:38
  and
• 13:39
  just,
• 13:39
  revisit
• 13:39
  it
• 13:40
  and
• 13:40
  whatnot.
• 13:41
  And
• 13:41
  as
• 13:41
  the
• 13:42
  superintendent
• 13:42
  told
• 13:42
  me,
• 13:43
  we're
• 13:43
  not
• 13:43
  a
• 13:43
  final
• 13:44
  destination
• 13:45
  in
• 13:45
  a
• 13:45
  national
• 13:46
  park
• 13:46
  vacation,
• 13:46
  but
• 13:46
  we
• 13:47
  are
• 13:47
  a
• 13:47
  destination.
• 13:48
  And
• 13:49
  I
• 13:49
  think
• 13:49
  by
• 13:49
  raising
• 13:50
  the
• 13:50
  awareness
• 13:50
  of
• 13:50
  these
• 13:50
  places,
• 13:51
  because
• 13:52
  the
• 13:52
  bulk
• 13:52
  of
• 13:52
  the
• 13:52
  us
• 13:53
  population
• 13:53
  is
• 13:53
  on
• 13:54
  the
• 13:54
  coasts.
• 13:55
  And
• 13:55
  if
• 13:55
  you
• 13:55
  want
• 13:55
  to
• 13:55
  go
• 13:55
  to
• 13:55
  the
• 13:56
  Yellowstones
• 13:56
  or
• 13:56
  the
• 13:56
  Rocky
• 13:57
  mountains,
• 13:58
  you're
• 13:58
  gonna
• 13:58
  drive
• 13:58
  across
• 13:59
  places
• 13:59
  like
• 13:59
  Kansas
• 14:00
  and
• 14:00
  Nebraska
• 14:00
  and
• 14:00
  Oklahoma.
• 14:01
  And
• 14:02
  if
• 14:02
  you
• 14:02
  don't
• 14:02
  know,
• 14:02
  these
• 14:02
  parks
• 14:03
  exist
• 14:03
  out
• 14:03
  there,
• 14:04
  you're
• 14:04
  not
• 14:04
  gonna
• 14:04
  stop.
• 14:05
  You're
• 14:05
  not
• 14:05
  gonna
• 14:05
  divert
• 14:06
  to
• 14:06
  them.
• 14:08
  There
• 14:08
  used
• 14:08
  to
• 14:08
  be
• 14:08
  an
• 14:08
  incentive.
• 14:09
  Like
• 14:09
  you
• 14:09
  can
• 14:09
  save
• 14:10
  money
• 14:10
  on
• 14:10
  your
• 14:10
  taxes
• 14:11
  by
• 14:11
  visiting
• 14:11
  the
• 14:12
  smaller
• 14:12
  parks,
• 14:12
  but
• 14:12
  you
• 14:13
  have
• 14:13
  to
• 14:13
  pay
• 14:13
  more
• 14:13
  in
• 14:13
  taxes
• 14:14
  by
• 14:14
  going
• 14:14
  to
• 14:14
  grand
• 14:14
  canyon,
• 14:15
  like
• 14:16
  a
• 14:16
  scavenger
• 14:16
  hunt.
• 14:16
  You
• 14:16
  save
• 14:17
  1%
• 14:17
  on
• 14:17
  your
• 14:17
  taxes
• 14:18
  for
• 14:18
  every
• 14:18
  tiny
• 14:18
  national
• 14:19
  park
• 14:19
  you
• 14:19
  visit,
• 14:20
  people
• 14:20
  would
• 14:21
  go
• 14:21
  then
• 14:21
  for
• 14:22
  sure.
• 14:23
  But
• 14:23
  correct.
• 14:24
  Tell
• 14:24
  us
• 14:24
  who
• 14:24
  you
• 14:25
  like,
• 14:25
  obviously,
• 14:25
  president
• 14:26
  Vancor
• 14:26
  you
• 14:26
  introduce
• 14:27
  yourself,
• 14:27
  tell
• 14:27
  us
• 14:27
  a
• 14:27
  little
• 14:27
  bit
• 14:27
  about
• 14:28
  you,
• 14:28
  your
• 14:28
  company.
• 14:28
  And
• 14:29
  then
• 14:29
  I
• 14:29
  think
• 14:30
  what
• 14:30
  kind
• 14:30
  of
• 14:30
  just
• 14:30
  want
• 14:31
  to
• 14:31
  pivot
• 14:31
  real
• 14:31
  quick
• 14:31
  into
• 14:32
  what
• 14:32
  you
• 14:32
  can
• 14:32
  talk
• 14:33
  about
• 14:33
  over
• 14:33
  landing
• 14:34
  specific,
• 14:35
  whether
• 14:35
  you
• 14:35
  have
• 14:35
  some
• 14:35
  comments
• 14:36
  on
• 14:36
  what
• 14:36
  Kurt
• 14:36
  was
• 14:36
  talking
• 14:37
  about
• 14:37
  with
• 14:37
  the
• 14:37
  smaller
• 14:37
  national
• 14:37
  parks
• 14:38
  and
• 14:38
  trends
• 14:38
  there.
• 14:38
  I've
• 14:38
  been
• 14:39
  in
• 14:39
  this
• 14:39
  industry
• 14:39
  for
• 14:40
  about
• 14:40
  22
• 14:40
  years,
• 14:41
  whether
• 14:41
  it
• 14:42
  be
• 14:42
  cargo
• 14:43
  and
• 14:43
  motor
• 14:43
  sports
• 14:44
  trailers,
• 14:45
  RVs,
• 14:45
  or
• 14:45
  the
• 14:45
  Marine
• 14:45
  industry.
• 14:46
  But
• 14:46
  recently
• 14:47
  about
• 14:47
  a
• 14:47
  year
• 14:48
  ago
• 14:48
  we
• 14:48
  launched
• 14:49
  this
• 14:49
  company
• 14:49
  Encore
• 14:50
  RV.
• 14:51
  And
• 14:51
  our
• 14:51
  focus
• 14:52
  was
• 14:52
  to
• 14:52
  be
• 14:52
  on
• 14:52
  smaller
• 14:53
  products
• 14:54
  at
• 14:54
  least
• 14:54
  outta
• 14:54
  the
• 14:54
  gate,
• 14:55
  because
• 14:55
  we
• 14:55
  believe
• 14:55
  that
• 14:56
  there
• 14:56
  might
• 14:57
  be
• 14:57
  a
• 14:57
  potential
• 14:57
  recession
• 14:58
  or
• 14:58
  slow
• 14:58
  down
• 14:59
  that
• 14:59
  the
• 14:59
  cycle's
• 14:59
  been
• 14:59
  pretty
• 15:00
  high
• 15:00
  for
• 15:00
  a
• 15:00
  while,
• 15:01
  since
• 15:01
  about
• 15:02
  2010.
• 15:03
  So
• 15:03
  we're
• 15:03
  on
• 15:04
  a
• 15:04
  12
• 15:04
  year
• 15:04
  roll
• 15:05
  and
• 15:06
  that's
• 15:06
  not
• 15:06
  seen
• 15:07
  very
• 15:07
  often,
• 15:07
  that
• 15:07
  things
• 15:08
  continue
• 15:08
  to
• 15:08
  climb
• 15:09
  for
• 15:09
  that
• 15:09
  long.
• 15:09
  And
• 15:10
  having
• 15:10
  a
• 15:10
  smaller
• 15:10
  product.
• 15:11
  It
• 15:11
  was
• 15:11
  gonna
• 15:11
  be
• 15:11
  a
• 15:11
  little
• 15:11
  bit
• 15:12
  easier
• 15:12
  for
• 15:12
  us
• 15:12
  to
• 15:12
  set
• 15:13
  up
• 15:13
  dealers.
• 15:14
  And
• 15:15
  we
• 15:15
  also
• 15:15
  knew
• 15:15
  that
• 15:16
  this
• 15:16
  niche
• 15:16
  of
• 15:16
  small
• 15:17
  trailers
• 15:17
  was
• 15:17
  still
• 15:18
  substantially
• 15:18
  growing.
• 15:19
  So
• 15:20
  that's
• 15:20
  the
• 15:20
  reason
• 15:20
  we
• 15:20
  chose
• 15:21
  this
• 15:21
  this
• 15:22
  line
• 15:22
  of
• 15:22
  products
• 15:22
  that
• 15:22
  we
• 15:23
  manufacture.
• 15:24
  We
• 15:24
  put
• 15:24
  a
• 15:24
  little
• 15:24
  twist
• 15:25
  on
• 15:25
  it
• 15:25
  to
• 15:25
  make
• 15:25
  it
• 15:25
  a
• 15:25
  little
• 15:25
  bit
• 15:26
  different
• 15:26
  than
• 15:26
  other
• 15:26
  things
• 15:26
  that
• 15:27
  are
• 15:27
  out
• 15:27
  there.
• 15:27
  It's
• 15:27
  a
• 15:27
  hundred
• 15:28
  percent
• 15:28
  wood
• 15:28
  free.
• 15:29
  It's
• 15:29
  all
• 15:30
  composite
• 15:30
  materials.
• 15:31
  It's
• 15:31
  really
• 15:32
  designed
• 15:32
  and
• 15:32
  built
• 15:32
  to
• 15:33
  last
• 15:33
  a
• 15:33
  long
• 15:33
  time.
• 15:34
  The
• 15:34
  frame's
• 15:34
  all.
• 15:35
  We
• 15:35
  don't
• 15:35
  use
• 15:36
  steel.
• 15:36
  So
• 15:36
  we
• 15:36
  try
• 15:36
  to
• 15:37
  do
• 15:37
  things
• 15:37
  a
• 15:37
  little
• 15:37
  differently
• 15:38
  to
• 15:38
  attract
• 15:38
  people
• 15:38
  into
• 15:39
  what
• 15:39
  we're
• 15:39
  doing.
• 15:40
  And
• 15:41
  so
• 15:41
  far
• 15:41
  it's
• 15:41
  been
• 15:41
  a
• 15:41
  pretty
• 15:41
  good
• 15:41
  run.
• 15:42
  It
• 15:42
  was
• 15:42
  a
• 15:42
  challenging
• 15:43
  time
• 15:43
  to
• 15:43
  start
• 15:43
  a
• 15:43
  business
• 15:44
  naturally
• 15:44
  with
• 15:45
  supply
• 15:45
  chain
• 15:46
  issues.
• 15:46
  And
• 15:47
  very
• 15:47
  early
• 15:48
  on,
• 15:48
  we
• 15:48
  were
• 15:48
  having
• 15:48
  some
• 15:49
  real
• 15:49
  employee
• 15:49
  issues,
• 15:50
  finding
• 15:50
  the
• 15:50
  right
• 15:50
  help
• 15:51
  that
• 15:51
  we
• 15:51
  needed,
• 15:51
  but
• 15:52
  it's
• 15:52
  turned
• 15:52
  pretty
• 15:52
  well
• 15:53
  and
• 15:53
  things
• 15:53
  are
• 15:53
  going
• 15:53
  very
• 15:53
  well
• 15:54
  for
• 15:54
  us,
• 15:54
  but
• 15:54
  that
• 15:55
  in
• 15:55
  a
• 15:55
  nutshell
• 15:55
  is
• 15:55
  what
• 15:56
  my
• 15:56
  background
• 15:56
  is
• 15:59
  awesome.
• 15:59
  So
• 16:00
  tell
• 16:00
  us
• 16:00
  and
• 16:00
  I
• 16:00
  know
• 16:01
  when
• 16:01
  we
• 16:01
  scheduled
• 16:02
  you
• 16:02
  for
• 16:02
  the
• 16:02
  show,
• 16:02
  I
• 16:02
  had
• 16:03
  some
• 16:03
  stats
• 16:03
  pulled
• 16:04
  up
• 16:04
  in
• 16:04
  front
• 16:04
  of
• 16:04
  me
• 16:04
  here
• 16:04
  from
• 16:05
  KWA
• 16:05
  2022
• 16:06
  north
• 16:06
  American
• 16:06
  Camping
• 16:07
  report.
• 16:07
  I'm
• 16:07
  just
• 16:07
  skimming
• 16:08
  'em
• 16:08
  right
• 16:08
  now,
• 16:08
  back
• 16:09
  here
• 16:09
  on
• 16:09
  my
• 16:09
  laptop,
• 16:10
  it
• 16:10
  says
• 16:10
  27%
• 16:11
  of
• 16:11
  campers
• 16:11
  took
• 16:12
  an
• 16:12
  over
• 16:12
  landing
• 16:12
  trip
• 16:13
  for
• 16:13
  the
• 16:13
  first
• 16:13
  time
• 16:13
  in
• 16:14
  2021
• 16:15
  and
• 16:15
  46%
• 16:16
  of
• 16:16
  all
• 16:16
  campers
• 16:17
  want
• 16:17
  to
• 16:18
  try
• 16:18
  over
• 16:18
  landing
• 16:19
  this
• 16:19
  year.
• 16:20
  So
• 16:20
  I
• 16:20
  guess
• 16:20
  my
• 16:20
  first
• 16:20
  question
• 16:21
  is
• 16:21
  for
• 16:21
  those
• 16:22
  of
• 16:22
  people
• 16:22
  like
• 16:23
  me
• 16:23
  who
• 16:23
  have
• 16:23
  never
• 16:24
  owned
• 16:24
  an
• 16:24
  RV
• 16:25
  cuz
• 16:25
  I
• 16:25
  can't
• 16:25
  afford
• 16:25
  one.
• 16:26
  And
• 16:26
  also
• 16:26
  I
• 16:26
  like
• 16:27
  lakes
• 16:28
  and
• 16:28
  cabins
• 16:29
  too,
• 16:29
  but
• 16:29
  we
• 16:29
  won't
• 16:29
  go
• 16:29
  there.
• 16:30
  But
• 16:30
  anyway
• 16:30
  for
• 16:30
  those
• 16:30
  of
• 16:31
  us
• 16:31
  who
• 16:31
  don't,
• 16:31
  who
• 16:31
  aren't
• 16:32
  completely
• 16:32
  familiar
• 16:32
  with
• 16:33
  that
• 16:33
  term,
• 16:33
  what
• 16:33
  does
• 16:34
  over
• 16:34
  landing
• 16:34
  mean
• 16:35
  to
• 16:35
  you
• 16:35
  or
• 16:36
  to
• 16:36
  the
• 16:36
  industry
• 16:36
  rich?
• 16:37
  There's,
• 16:38
  a
• 16:38
  lot
• 16:38
  of
• 16:38
  people
• 16:38
  have
• 16:38
  their
• 16:38
  own
• 16:39
  view
• 16:39
  of,
• 16:39
  but
• 16:39
  for
• 16:39
  me
• 16:40
  it's
• 16:40
  it's
• 16:40
  that
• 16:40
  guy
• 16:40
  that
• 16:41
  is
• 16:41
  getting
• 16:41
  out,
• 16:41
  trying
• 16:41
  to
• 16:41
  get
• 16:42
  off
• 16:42
  grid.
• 16:42
  He's
• 16:43
  got
• 16:43
  a
• 16:43
  vehicle
• 16:44
  and,
• 16:44
  or
• 16:44
  a
• 16:44
  trailer.
• 16:45
  A
• 16:45
  lot
• 16:45
  of
• 16:45
  times
• 16:45
  it's
• 16:45
  just
• 16:45
  a
• 16:45
  vehicle
• 16:46
  that's
• 16:46
  over
• 16:46
  landing
• 16:46
  with
• 16:47
  a
• 16:47
  rooftop
• 16:47
  tent
• 16:47
  or
• 16:48
  some,
• 16:48
  sometimes
• 16:49
  even
• 16:49
  tent
• 16:49
  Camping
• 16:49
  out
• 16:50
  of
• 16:50
  it,
• 16:50
  but
• 16:50
  they're
• 16:50
  not
• 16:51
  going
• 16:51
  to
• 16:51
  the
• 16:51
  state
• 16:51
  park
• 16:52
  parks.
• 16:52
  So
• 16:52
  the
• 16:53
  federal
• 16:53
  parks
• 16:53
  they're
• 16:53
  going
• 16:53
  off
• 16:54
  into
• 16:54
  can
• 16:54
  be
• 16:55
  off
• 16:55
  often
• 16:55
  government
• 16:55
  owned
• 16:55
  land,
• 16:56
  but
• 16:56
  they
• 16:56
  don't
• 16:56
  wanna
• 16:56
  be
• 16:56
  in
• 16:56
  a
• 16:56
  Campground
• 16:57
  with
• 16:57
  if
• 16:57
  the
• 16:57
  other
• 16:57
  campers
• 16:58
  or
• 16:58
  a
• 16:58
  hundred
• 16:58
  other
• 16:58
  campers
• 16:59
  they're
• 16:59
  looking
• 16:59
  to
• 16:59
  get
• 17:00
  off
• 17:00
  and
• 17:00
  do
• 17:00
  their
• 17:01
  own
• 17:01
  thing
• 17:01
  and
• 17:01
  see
• 17:02
  the
• 17:02
  true
• 17:02
  wilderness
• 17:03
  that's
• 17:03
  out
• 17:03
  there.
• 17:04
  And
• 17:04
  for
• 17:04
  them,
• 17:04
  a
• 17:04
  lot
• 17:04
  of
• 17:04
  the
• 17:05
  times
• 17:05
  there's
• 17:05
  two
• 17:05
  types
• 17:06
  of
• 17:06
  people.
• 17:06
  There's
• 17:06
  the
• 17:06
  guy
• 17:07
  that
• 17:07
  builds
• 17:07
  up
• 17:07
  the.
• 17:08
  The
• 17:08
  rig,
• 17:08
  the
• 17:08
  nice
• 17:09
  trailer,
• 17:09
  the
• 17:09
  Jeep
• 17:10
  that
• 17:10
  he's
• 17:10
  gonna
• 17:10
  pull
• 17:11
  with
• 17:11
  or
• 17:11
  whatever
• 17:11
  it
• 17:11
  might
• 17:11
  be.
• 17:12
  each
• 17:12
  of
• 17:12
  those
• 17:12
  the
• 17:12
  things
• 17:13
  that
• 17:13
  they
• 17:13
  buy
• 17:13
  they'll
• 17:13
  add
• 17:14
  on
• 17:14
  another
• 17:14
  10
• 17:14
  or
• 17:15
  20
• 17:15
  or
• 17:15
  $30,000
• 17:16
  or
• 17:16
  more
• 17:17
  worth
• 17:17
  of
• 17:17
  accessories.
• 17:18
  That's
• 17:18
  a
• 17:18
  big
• 17:19
  thing
• 17:19
  that
• 17:19
  we
• 17:19
  see.
• 17:20
  And
• 17:20
  they
• 17:21
  may
• 17:21
  or
• 17:21
  may
• 17:21
  not
• 17:21
  ever
• 17:22
  really
• 17:22
  take
• 17:22
  it
• 17:22
  off
• 17:23
  road.
• 17:23
  They
• 17:23
  might
• 17:23
  just
• 17:24
  be
• 17:24
  on
• 17:24
  a
• 17:24
  fire
• 17:25
  road
• 17:25
  or
• 17:25
  on
• 17:26
  gravel
• 17:26
  or
• 17:26
  dirt,
• 17:27
  but
• 17:27
  they're
• 17:27
  not
• 17:27
  going
• 17:27
  rock
• 17:28
  crawling
• 17:28
  with
• 17:28
  it.
• 17:29
  So
• 17:29
  to
• 17:29
  speak,
• 17:29
  which
• 17:29
  a
• 17:29
  lot
• 17:30
  of
• 17:30
  people
• 17:30
  think
• 17:31
  over
• 17:31
  landing
• 17:31
  would
• 17:31
  be,
• 17:32
  but
• 17:32
  it's
• 17:32
  actually,
• 17:32
  probably
• 17:33
  not,
• 17:33
  even
• 17:33
  though
• 17:33
  it
• 17:34
  falls
• 17:34
  into
• 17:34
  that
• 17:34
  category
• 17:35
  as
• 17:35
  well.
• 17:35
  For
• 17:36
  us
• 17:36
  probably
• 17:37
  about
• 17:37
  85%,
• 17:38
  90%
• 17:39
  of
• 17:39
  our
• 17:39
  campers
• 17:39
  will
• 17:40
  still
• 17:40
  take
• 17:40
  this
• 17:40
  into
• 17:40
  a
• 17:41
  Campground.
• 17:42
  And
• 17:42
  we
• 17:43
  plan
• 17:43
  for
• 17:43
  that.
• 17:43
  That's
• 17:44
  why
• 17:44
  we
• 17:44
  have
• 17:44
  a
• 17:44
  microwave
• 17:45
  and
• 17:45
  an
• 17:46
  air
• 17:46
  conditioner,
• 17:46
  things
• 17:47
  that
• 17:47
  you
• 17:47
  would
• 17:47
  more
• 17:47
  need
• 17:48
  to
• 17:48
  do
• 17:48
  with
• 17:48
  either
• 17:48
  shore
• 17:48
  power
• 17:49
  or
• 17:49
  a
• 17:49
  generator,
• 17:50
  even
• 17:50
  a
• 17:51
  good
• 17:52
  solar
• 17:52
  package
• 17:52
  with
• 17:53
  lithium
• 17:54
  batteries
• 17:54
  would
• 17:54
  have
• 17:54
  a
• 17:54
  tough
• 17:55
  time,
• 17:55
  really
• 17:55
  powering
• 17:55
  an
• 17:56
  air
• 17:56
  conditioner
• 17:56
  the
• 17:56
  way
• 17:56
  most
• 17:57
  people
• 17:57
  would
• 17:57
  use
• 17:57
  it.
• 17:58
  A
• 17:58
  microwave's
• 17:58
  fairly
• 17:59
  easy
• 17:59
  to
• 17:59
  work
• 17:59
  though.
• 17:59
  But
• 18:00
  the
• 18:00
  other
• 18:00
  thing
• 18:01
  that
• 18:01
  we're
• 18:01
  finding
• 18:01
  is
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  ages,
• 18:02
  it's
• 18:02
  all
• 18:02
  over
• 18:03
  the
• 18:03
  place.
• 18:03
  While
• 18:03
  I
• 18:04
  initially
• 18:04
  thought
• 18:04
  we
• 18:04
  would
• 18:05
  sell
• 18:05
  to
• 18:05
  a
• 18:05
  much
• 18:05
  younger
• 18:06
  crowd,
• 18:07
  we've
• 18:07
  got
• 18:07
  people
• 18:07
  that
• 18:08
  are
• 18:08
  either
• 18:08
  adding
• 18:08
  this
• 18:09
  to
• 18:09
  their
• 18:09
  arsenal,
• 18:10
  love
• 18:10
  RVs.
• 18:10
  They
• 18:10
  might
• 18:10
  have
• 18:11
  a
• 18:11
  fifth
• 18:11
  wheel,
• 18:11
  but
• 18:12
  when
• 18:12
  the
• 18:12
  husband
• 18:13
  and
• 18:13
  wife
• 18:13
  just
• 18:13
  go
• 18:13
  out,
• 18:14
  they
• 18:14
  wanna
• 18:14
  go
• 18:14
  by
• 18:14
  themselves.
• 18:15
  They
• 18:15
  wanna
• 18:15
  try
• 18:15
  this
• 18:15
  lifestyle,
• 18:16
  smaller
• 18:16
  Camping
• 18:17
  cuz
• 18:17
  you're
• 18:17
  more
• 18:18
  in
• 18:18
  tune
• 18:18
  with
• 18:18
  the
• 18:18
  wilderness
• 18:19
  when
• 18:19
  you're
• 18:19
  doing
• 18:19
  it
• 18:19
  in
• 18:19
  a
• 18:19
  small
• 18:20
  camper,
• 18:20
  cuz
• 18:20
  you're
• 18:20
  just
• 18:21
  not
• 18:21
  gonna
• 18:21
  hang
• 18:21
  out
• 18:22
  inside
• 18:23
  of
• 18:23
  an
• 18:23
  adventure
• 18:23
  trailer.
• 18:24
  You're
• 18:24
  gonna
• 18:24
  be
• 18:24
  outside.
• 18:25
  And
• 18:25
  when
• 18:25
  you
• 18:25
  show
• 18:25
  up
• 18:25
  somewhere
• 18:26
  in
• 18:26
  fifth
• 18:26
  wheel,
• 18:26
  you've
• 18:26
  got
• 18:27
  all
• 18:27
  the
• 18:27
  conveniences
• 18:28
  home.
• 18:28
  This
• 18:28
  buyer's
• 18:29
  trying
• 18:29
  to
• 18:29
  look
• 18:29
  away
• 18:30
  from
• 18:30
  that
• 18:30
  a
• 18:30
  little
• 18:31
  bit
• 18:31
  and
• 18:31
  just
• 18:31
  explore
• 18:32
  nature
• 18:32
  a
• 18:32
  little
• 18:32
  bit
• 18:32
  more.
• 18:33
  But
• 18:33
  our
• 18:33
  buyer's
• 18:33
  been
• 18:34
  up
• 18:34
  and
• 18:34
  down
• 18:34
  all
• 18:34
  over
• 18:35
  from
• 18:36
  late
• 18:36
  twenties,
• 18:37
  up
• 18:37
  to
• 18:37
  65
• 18:38
  years
• 18:38
  old,
• 18:38
  which
• 18:38
  is
• 18:39
  very
• 18:39
  surprising
• 18:40
  for
• 18:40
  me.
• 18:41
  And
• 18:41
  We
• 18:41
  do
• 18:41
  have
• 18:41
  a
• 18:41
  fair
• 18:42
  amount
• 18:42
  of
• 18:42
  first
• 18:42
  time
• 18:43
  buyers
• 18:43
  as
• 18:43
  well,
• 18:43
  which
• 18:44
  is
• 18:44
  nice.
• 18:44
  And
• 18:44
  what's
• 18:44
  beautiful
• 18:45
  about
• 18:45
  this
• 18:45
  is
• 18:46
  you
• 18:46
  typically
• 18:46
  don't
• 18:47
  need
• 18:47
  a
• 18:47
  specialty
• 18:47
  tow
• 18:48
  vehicle.
• 18:48
  You're
• 18:48
  not
• 18:48
  gonna
• 18:48
  have
• 18:48
  to
• 18:48
  go
• 18:48
  out
• 18:49
  and
• 18:49
  buy
• 18:49
  a
• 18:49
  threequarter
• 18:49
  toner
• 18:50
  or
• 18:50
  a
• 18:50
  one
• 18:50
  ton
• 18:50
  pickup.
• 18:51
  You
• 18:51
  don't,
• 18:51
  you're
• 18:51
  not
• 18:51
  dealing
• 18:52
  with
• 18:52
  a
• 18:52
  lot
• 18:52
  of
• 18:52
  tongue
• 18:52
  weight.
• 18:53
  You've
• 18:53
  got
• 18:53
  a
• 18:53
  small
• 18:53
  vehicle
• 18:54
  that
• 18:54
  tows
• 18:54
  relatively
• 18:55
  easily
• 18:55
  behind
• 18:56
  a
• 18:56
  small
• 18:56
  SUV
• 18:57
  or
• 18:57
  a
• 18:57
  larger
• 18:57
  car.
• 18:58
  A,
• 18:58
  a
• 18:59
  Subaru
• 18:59
  can
• 18:59
  pull
• 18:59
  most
• 19:00
  of
• 19:00
  what
• 19:00
  we
• 19:00
  build.
• 19:01
  And
• 19:01
  that's,
• 19:02
  what's
• 19:02
  also
• 19:02
  appealing.
• 19:03
  You
• 19:03
  don't
• 19:03
  have
• 19:03
  that
• 19:03
  investment
• 19:04
  of
• 19:04
  a
• 19:04
  to
• 19:04
  vehicle.
• 19:06
  We're
• 19:06
  looking
• 19:06
  at
• 19:07
  it
• 19:07
  right
• 19:07
  now,
• 19:08
  where
• 19:08
  you
• 19:08
  were
• 19:08
  talking.
• 19:09
  So
• 19:09
  yeah,
• 19:09
  it
• 19:09
  looks,
• 19:09
  and
• 19:10
  since
• 19:10
  here's
• 19:10
  the
• 19:10
  thing,
• 19:10
  I
• 19:10
  think
• 19:11
  there's
• 19:11
  a
• 19:11
  you
• 19:11
  tell
• 19:11
  me
• 19:11
  if
• 19:12
  I'm
• 19:12
  wrong.
• 19:12
  Is
• 19:12
  there
• 19:12
  an
• 19:12
  opportunity
• 19:13
  here?
• 19:13
  We've
• 19:13
  talked
• 19:14
  about
• 19:14
  national
• 19:14
  parks
• 19:14
  and
• 19:15
  some
• 19:15
  of
• 19:15
  the
• 19:15
  underserved
• 19:15
  parks
• 19:16
  that
• 19:16
  we
• 19:16
  want
• 19:17
  to
• 19:17
  encourage
• 19:17
  people
• 19:18
  to
• 19:18
  visit,
• 19:18
  or
• 19:18
  really
• 19:19
  Kurt
• 19:19
  is
• 19:19
  helping
• 19:20
  us
• 19:20
  do
• 19:20
  through
• 19:20
  national
• 19:21
  parks,
• 19:21
  traveler
• 19:21
  and
• 19:21
  things
• 19:21
  that
• 19:22
  and
• 19:22
  obviously
• 19:22
  we
• 19:22
  know
• 19:22
  there
• 19:22
  mediums
• 19:23
  to
• 19:23
  help
• 19:23
  do
• 19:23
  that
• 19:23
  as
• 19:24
  well.
• 19:24
  It
• 19:24
  could
• 19:24
  just
• 19:24
  be
• 19:24
  Kurt,
• 19:25
  but
• 19:25
  are
• 19:25
  there
• 19:25
  opportunities
• 19:26
  for
• 19:26
  manufacturers
• 19:27
  like
• 19:28
  you,
• 19:28
  who.
• 19:29
  Manufacture
• 19:30
  these
• 19:30
  small
• 19:30
  trailers
• 19:31
  and
• 19:31
  yes,
• 19:31
  I
• 19:31
  understand
• 19:31
  there's
• 19:31
  an
• 19:31
  appeal
• 19:32
  for
• 19:32
  BLM
• 19:32
  land
• 19:33
  and
• 19:33
  to
• 19:33
  get
• 19:34
  disconnected
• 19:34
  and
• 19:34
  things
• 19:35
  like
• 19:35
  that.
• 19:35
  But
• 19:35
  for
• 19:35
  the
• 19:35
  parks
• 19:36
  that
• 19:36
  don't
• 19:36
  have
• 19:36
  campgrounds
• 19:38
  that
• 19:38
  you
• 19:38
  could
• 19:38
  theoretically
• 19:39
  go
• 19:39
  park
• 19:39
  on
• 19:39
  BLM
• 19:40
  land
• 19:40
  that's
• 19:40
  near
• 19:41
  perhaps
• 19:42
  one
• 19:42
  of
• 19:42
  these
• 19:43
  parks
• 19:43
  or
• 19:43
  is
• 19:44
  there
• 19:44
  any
• 19:44
  kind
• 19:44
  of
• 19:44
  cross
• 19:44
  promotion
• 19:45
  that
• 19:45
  could
• 19:45
  be
• 19:45
  done
• 19:45
  here
• 19:46
  between
• 19:46
  manufacturers
• 19:47
  to
• 19:47
  help
• 19:47
  maybe
• 19:47
  drive
• 19:48
  traffic
• 19:48
  to
• 19:48
  some
• 19:48
  of
• 19:48
  these
• 19:49
  lesser
• 19:49
  known,
• 19:50
  disconnected
• 19:50
  places
• 19:51
  from
• 19:51
  your
• 19:51
  perspective?
• 19:52
  Rich?
• 19:53
  I
• 19:53
  believe
• 19:54
  if
• 19:54
  there
• 19:54
  was
• 19:55
  an
• 19:55
  opportunity
• 19:56
  to
• 19:56
  I
• 19:57
  guess
• 19:57
  if
• 19:57
  we
• 19:57
  had
• 19:57
  some
• 19:58
  way
• 19:58
  to
• 19:58
  put
• 19:58
  it
• 19:58
  on
• 19:58
  our
• 19:58
  website
• 19:59
  easily
• 20:00
  where
• 20:00
  people
• 20:00
  could
• 20:01
  research
• 20:01
  and
• 20:01
  find
• 20:02
  places
• 20:02
  to
• 20:02
  camp
• 20:03
  that
• 20:03
  are
• 20:03
  along
• 20:04
  those
• 20:04
  lines,
• 20:04
  they
• 20:04
  would
• 20:04
  do
• 20:05
  that
• 20:05
  very
• 20:06
  quickly
• 20:06
  would
• 20:06
  want
• 20:07
  to.
• 20:07
  And
• 20:08
  I
• 20:08
  can
• 20:08
  give
• 20:08
  you
• 20:08
  an
• 20:08
  idea.
• 20:08
  You
• 20:09
  just,
• 20:09
  when
• 20:09
  we
• 20:10
  go,
• 20:10
  when
• 20:11
  I
• 20:11
  go
• 20:11
  look
• 20:11
  at
• 20:11
  a
• 20:11
  Campground
• 20:12
  that
• 20:12
  I'm
• 20:12
  gonna
• 20:12
  go
• 20:12
  to
• 20:12
  I
• 20:13
  have
• 20:13
  no
• 20:13
  idea
• 20:13
  how
• 20:13
  nice
• 20:13
  it
• 20:14
  is
• 20:14
  or
• 20:14
  how
• 20:14
  much
• 20:15
  privacy
• 20:15
  you
• 20:15
  have,
• 20:16
  or
• 20:16
  you
• 20:16
  stacked
• 20:16
  on
• 20:17
  top
• 20:17
  of
• 20:17
  people.
• 20:17
  What
• 20:17
  is
• 20:18
  it
• 20:18
  really
• 20:18
  like?
• 20:19
  And
• 20:19
  the
• 20:19
  last
• 20:19
  one
• 20:19
  I
• 20:19
  visited
• 20:20
  was
• 20:20
  up
• 20:20
  in
• 20:20
  the
• 20:21
  Northern.
• 20:22
  Again,
• 20:22
  up
• 20:22
  near
• 20:23
  traverse
• 20:23
  bay.
• 20:23
  It
• 20:23
  was
• 20:24
  a,
• 20:24
  it
• 20:24
  was
• 20:24
  an
• 20:24
  unbelievable
• 20:25
  park.
• 20:25
  I
• 20:25
  really
• 20:25
  liked
• 20:26
  it.
• 20:26
  They
• 20:26
  were
• 20:26
  friendly,
• 20:27
  was
• 20:27
  very
• 20:27
  clean.
• 20:28
  I
• 20:28
  think
• 20:28
  campgrounds
• 20:29
  have
• 20:29
  come
• 20:29
  along
• 20:30
  a
• 20:30
  long
• 20:30
  way
• 20:30
  from
• 20:30
  what
• 20:31
  a
• 20:31
  lot
• 20:31
  of
• 20:31
  people
• 20:31
  probably
• 20:31
  they
• 20:32
  are.
• 20:32
  The,
• 20:32
  all
• 20:33
  the
• 20:33
  amenities
• 20:33
  were
• 20:33
  kept
• 20:34
  very
• 20:34
  nice.
• 20:34
  And
• 20:35
  there
• 20:35
  was
• 20:35
  a
• 20:35
  lot
• 20:35
  to
• 20:35
  do.
• 20:36
  It
• 20:36
  was
• 20:36
  right
• 20:36
  along
• 20:37
  grand
• 20:37
  travel
• 20:38
  bay.
• 20:38
  There
• 20:38
  were
• 20:38
  lots
• 20:39
  of
• 20:39
  trails
• 20:39
  to
• 20:39
  hike,
• 20:40
  a
• 20:40
  lot
• 20:40
  of
• 20:40
  opportunities
• 20:41
  for
• 20:41
  kayaking
• 20:42
  and
• 20:43
  bicycling.
• 20:43
  And
• 20:44
  we
• 20:44
  really
• 20:44
  enjoyed
• 20:44
  it.
• 20:45
  But
• 20:46
  the
• 20:46
  new
• 20:47
  buyer,
• 20:47
  that's
• 20:47
  not
• 20:48
  done
• 20:48
  this
• 20:48
  before.
• 20:48
  It
• 20:49
  is
• 20:49
  exactly
• 20:49
  right,
• 20:50
  that
• 20:50
  they
• 20:50
  don't
• 20:50
  know
• 20:50
  where
• 20:50
  they
• 20:51
  can
• 20:51
  go
• 20:51
  Camping.
• 20:51
  They
• 20:52
  have
• 20:52
  this
• 20:52
  grand
• 20:53
  idea
• 20:53
  that
• 20:53
  they're
• 20:53
  gonna
• 20:53
  go
• 20:53
  on
• 20:53
  to
• 20:54
  BM
• 20:54
  land
• 20:54
  and
• 20:55
  be
• 20:55
  away
• 20:55
  from
• 20:55
  everybody.
• 20:56
  And,
• 20:56
  oh,
• 20:56
  we're
• 20:57
  gonna
• 20:57
  see
• 20:57
  a
• 20:57
  grizzly
• 20:57
  or
• 20:57
  something
• 20:58
  which
• 20:58
  by
• 20:58
  the
• 20:58
  way,
• 20:58
  our
• 20:59
  trailers
• 20:59
  aren't
• 20:59
  grizzly.
• 21:00
  And
• 21:01
  proof.
• 21:02
  Do
• 21:02
  you
• 21:02
  really
• 21:02
  wanna
• 21:02
  say
• 21:03
  proof
• 21:03
  or
• 21:03
  just
• 21:03
  resistant?
• 21:05
  I
• 21:05
  would
• 21:05
  say
• 21:05
  proof.
• 21:06
  They're
• 21:06
  not
• 21:06
  getting
• 21:06
  into
• 21:06
  our
• 21:07
  stuff.
• 21:09
  we
• 21:09
  actually
• 21:09
  called
• 21:10
  invitation
• 21:10
  for
• 21:10
  somebody
• 21:11
  to
• 21:11
  hire
• 21:11
  a
• 21:11
  grizzly
• 21:12
  bear
• 21:12
  and
• 21:12
  attempt
• 21:12
  to
• 21:12
  get
• 21:13
  into
• 21:13
  your
• 21:13
  trailer,
• 21:14
  put
• 21:15
  something
• 21:15
  at
• 21:15
  appetizing
• 21:16
  inside
• 21:16
  of
• 21:16
  it.
• 21:17
  Yeah.
• 21:17
  I
• 21:17
  believe
• 21:18
  that
• 21:18
  if
• 21:18
  people
• 21:18
  had
• 21:19
  a
• 21:19
  way
• 21:19
  of
• 21:19
  understanding
• 21:19
  and
• 21:20
  knowing
• 21:20
  where
• 21:20
  they
• 21:20
  could
• 21:20
  go
• 21:21
  and
• 21:22
  it
• 21:22
  was
• 21:22
  more
• 21:22
  visual
• 21:23
  so
• 21:23
  that
• 21:23
  when
• 21:23
  they
• 21:24
  see
• 21:24
  the
• 21:24
  Campground,
• 21:25
  they
• 21:25
  could,
• 21:25
  yes,
• 21:25
  this
• 21:25
  is
• 21:25
  what
• 21:26
  I'm
• 21:26
  looking
• 21:26
  to
• 21:26
  do.
• 21:27
  They
• 21:27
  would
• 21:27
  go
• 21:27
  do
• 21:27
  that.
• 21:28
  But
• 21:28
  when
• 21:28
  you
• 21:28
  just
• 21:28
  look
• 21:28
  one
• 21:29
  up
• 21:29
  you
• 21:29
  don't
• 21:29
  really
• 21:29
  know
• 21:30
  what
• 21:30
  it's
• 21:30
  like
• 21:30
  until
• 21:30
  you
• 21:30
  visit
• 21:31
  it.
• 21:31
  You
• 21:31
  can
• 21:31
  read
• 21:31
  some
• 21:32
  Yelp
• 21:32
  reviews
• 21:32
  or
• 21:33
  Google
• 21:33
  reviews
• 21:34
  and
• 21:34
  stuff
• 21:34
  and
• 21:35
  see
• 21:35
  a
• 21:35
  couple
• 21:35
  pictures
• 21:36
  here
• 21:36
  or
• 21:36
  there.
• 21:36
  But
• 21:36
  the
• 21:37
  it's
• 21:37
  like
• 21:38
  the
• 21:38
  one
• 21:38
  we
• 21:38
  went
• 21:38
  to,
• 21:38
  I
• 21:38
  didn't
• 21:39
  think
• 21:39
  it
• 21:39
  was
• 21:39
  gonna
• 21:39
  be
• 21:39
  quite
• 21:39
  as
• 21:40
  nice
• 21:40
  as
• 21:40
  it
• 21:40
  was.
• 21:40
  I,
• 21:41
  my
• 21:41
  expectations
• 21:41
  were
• 21:42
  lower,
• 21:42
  but
• 21:42
  it
• 21:42
  exceeded
• 21:43
  them.
• 21:44
  So
• 21:44
  I
• 21:44
  would
• 21:44
  just
• 21:44
  encourage
• 21:45
  people
• 21:45
  to
• 21:45
  get
• 21:45
  out
• 21:46
  and
• 21:46
  hit
• 21:46
  a
• 21:46
  couple
• 21:46
  places,
• 21:47
  especially
• 21:47
  if
• 21:47
  you're
• 21:47
  new.
• 21:48
  I
• 21:48
  think
• 21:48
  you're
• 21:48
  best
• 21:49
  to
• 21:49
  start
• 21:49
  your
• 21:49
  Camping
• 21:49
  in
• 21:49
  a
• 21:49
  Camping
• 21:50
  Campground.
• 21:50
  That's
• 21:51
  close
• 21:51
  by.
• 21:51
  So
• 21:51
  you
• 21:51
  get
• 21:52
  a.
• 21:52
  Feel
• 21:52
  for
• 21:52
  what
• 21:53
  you
• 21:53
  should
• 21:53
  be
• 21:53
  bringing
• 21:53
  along
• 21:53
  and
• 21:54
  you're
• 21:54
  always
• 21:54
  gonna
• 21:54
  find
• 21:54
  the
• 21:54
  10
• 21:55
  items
• 21:55
  you
• 21:55
  don't
• 21:55
  need
• 21:55
  to
• 21:55
  bring.
• 21:56
  It's
• 21:56
  it's,
• 21:56
  that's
• 21:57
  kind
• 21:57
  of
• 21:57
  part
• 21:57
  of
• 21:57
  the
• 21:57
  fun
• 21:57
  though,
• 21:58
  and
• 21:58
  a
• 21:58
  lot
• 21:58
  of
• 21:58
  our
• 21:58
  customers,
• 21:59
  they
• 21:59
  love
• 21:59
  that
• 22:00
  rigging
• 22:00
  aspect.
• 22:01
  They
• 22:01
  are
• 22:02
  constantly
• 22:02
  continually
• 22:03
  upgrading
• 22:03
  and
• 22:03
  modifying
• 22:04
  that's.
• 22:04
  What's
• 22:05
  great
• 22:05
  about
• 22:05
  the
• 22:05
  owners
• 22:05
  groups.
• 22:06
  I'm
• 22:06
  adding
• 22:06
  hot
• 22:07
  water,
• 22:07
  cuz
• 22:07
  we,
• 22:08
  we
• 22:08
  don't
• 22:08
  have
• 22:08
  hot
• 22:08
  water.
• 22:08
  I
• 22:08
  mean
• 22:09
  my
• 22:09
  small
• 22:09
  trailers
• 22:10
  actually
• 22:10
  got
• 22:10
  43
• 22:11
  gallons
• 22:11
  of
• 22:11
  fresh
• 22:11
  water,
• 22:12
  but
• 22:12
  no
• 22:12
  hot
• 22:12
  water.
• 22:12
  So
• 22:13
  you
• 22:13
  use
• 22:13
  a
• 22:13
  portable
• 22:13
  hot
• 22:14
  water
• 22:14
  heater.
• 22:14
  How
• 22:15
  are
• 22:15
  you
• 22:15
  attaching
• 22:15
  things
• 22:16
  to
• 22:16
  the
• 22:16
  roof?
• 22:16
  Things
• 22:16
  like
• 22:17
  that.
• 22:17
  And
• 22:17
  these
• 22:18
  groups
• 22:18
  are
• 22:18
  where
• 22:19
  people
• 22:19
  learn
• 22:19
  so
• 22:19
  much
• 22:20
  more
• 22:20
  about
• 22:20
  the
• 22:20
  product
• 22:20
  and
• 22:21
  how
• 22:21
  to
• 22:21
  camp
• 22:21
  and
• 22:22
  what
• 22:22
  to
• 22:22
  expect.
• 22:23
  But
• 22:23
  a
• 22:23
  hundred
• 22:23
  percent
• 22:23
  agree
• 22:24
  with
• 22:24
  you
• 22:24
  guys.
• 22:24
  If
• 22:24
  there
• 22:25
  was
• 22:25
  more
• 22:25
  of
• 22:25
  a
• 22:25
  way
• 22:25
  to
• 22:25
  get
• 22:26
  the
• 22:26
  word
• 22:26
  out
• 22:26
  as
• 22:26
  to
• 22:27
  some
• 22:27
  of
• 22:27
  these
• 22:27
  areas
• 22:28
  where
• 22:28
  people
• 22:28
  could
• 22:28
  go
• 22:28
  Camping
• 22:29
  it's
• 22:30
  probably
• 22:30
  exactly
• 22:30
  what
• 22:30
  they
• 22:30
  envision,
• 22:31
  but
• 22:31
  they
• 22:31
  just
• 22:32
  don't
• 22:32
  know
• 22:32
  about
• 22:32
  it.
• 22:32
  I
• 22:32
  think
• 22:33
  it
• 22:33
  would
• 22:33
  help
• 22:33
  tremendously.
• 22:35
  Hey
• 22:36
  Brian,
• 22:36
  can
• 22:36
  I
• 22:36
  jump
• 22:36
  in
• 22:36
  here?
• 22:37
  Yeah.
• 22:37
  Yeah,
• 22:38
  I
• 22:38
  was
• 22:38
  gonna
• 22:38
  ask
• 22:38
  you,
• 22:38
  so
• 22:38
  go
• 22:39
  ahead.
• 22:39
  Yep.
• 22:40
  Yeah.
• 22:40
  Yeah.
• 22:40
  First
• 22:41
  I
• 22:41
  was
• 22:41
  concerned
• 22:41
  about,
• 22:42
  65
• 22:42
  year
• 22:42
  old
• 22:43
  is
• 22:43
  the
• 22:43
  upper
• 22:43
  limit.
• 22:44
  I'm
• 22:44
  almost
• 22:44
  66.
• 22:45
  I
• 22:45
  think
• 22:45
  I'd
• 22:45
  check
• 22:46
  it
• 22:46
  out.
• 22:46
  Rich.
• 22:46
  On
• 22:46
  our
• 22:47
  trip
• 22:47
  over
• 22:47
  to
• 22:47
  Rocky
• 22:48
  mountain,
• 22:48
  the
• 22:48
  other
• 22:48
  day
• 22:49
  we
• 22:49
  went
• 22:50
  through
• 22:50
  a
• 22:50
  national
• 22:51
  forest
• 22:51
  and
• 22:51
  we
• 22:51
  had
• 22:52
  my
• 22:52
  buddies
• 22:52
  pickup
• 22:52
  with
• 22:53
  a
• 22:53
  camper
• 22:53
  on
• 22:53
  it
• 22:54
  and
• 22:54
  we
• 22:54
  just
• 22:55
  went
• 22:55
  up
• 22:55
  a
• 22:55
  forest
• 22:56
  road.
• 22:56
  We
• 22:56
  saw
• 22:56
  this
• 22:57
  little
• 22:57
  road
• 22:57
  dart
• 22:58
  off
• 22:58
  to
• 22:58
  the
• 22:58
  side.
• 22:58
  We
• 22:58
  drove
• 22:59
  up
• 22:59
  at
• 22:59
  about
• 22:59
  a
• 22:59
  hundred
• 22:59
  yards
• 23:00
  and
• 23:00
  camped.
• 23:01
  I'm
• 23:01
  not
• 23:01
  so
• 23:01
  sure
• 23:02
  you
• 23:02
  could
• 23:02
  pull
• 23:02
  a
• 23:02
  trailer
• 23:03
  up
• 23:03
  there
• 23:03
  because
• 23:03
  you
• 23:03
  don't
• 23:04
  know
• 23:04
  if
• 23:04
  there's
• 23:04
  gonna
• 23:04
  be
• 23:04
  space
• 23:05
  to
• 23:05
  turn
• 23:05
  around.
• 23:06
  And
• 23:06
  so
• 23:06
  that's
• 23:06
  something
• 23:06
  you
• 23:06
  gotta,
• 23:08
  how
• 23:08
  you
• 23:08
  investigate
• 23:09
  that
• 23:09
  rich
• 23:09
  beforehand.
• 23:10
  Obviously
• 23:10
  if
• 23:10
  you
• 23:10
  have
• 23:11
  an
• 23:11
  opportunity
• 23:11
  to
• 23:11
  scout
• 23:11
  it
• 23:12
  out
• 23:12
  that's
• 23:12
  one
• 23:12
  thing,
• 23:12
  Brian,
• 23:13
  going
• 23:13
  back
• 23:13
  to
• 23:13
  a
• 23:13
  couple
• 23:14
  shows
• 23:14
  ago,
• 23:14
  I
• 23:14
  think
• 23:15
  we
• 23:15
  were
• 23:15
  talking
• 23:15
  about
• 23:15
  campgrounds
• 23:16
  in
• 23:16
  the
• 23:16
  national
• 23:17
  park
• 23:17
  system
• 23:17
  and
• 23:17
  campgrounds
• 23:18
  in
• 23:18
  general
• 23:19
  and
• 23:20
  the
• 23:20
  park
• 23:20
  services
• 23:21
  efforts
• 23:22
  to
• 23:22
  try
• 23:22
  and
• 23:22
  envision
• 23:23
  the
• 23:23
  21st
• 23:24
  century
• 23:24
  Campground.
• 23:25
  I
• 23:25
  was
• 23:25
  in
• 23:25
  Rocky
• 23:25
  mountain,
• 23:26
  as
• 23:26
  I
• 23:26
  mentioned,
• 23:26
  and
• 23:27
  we
• 23:27
  saw
• 23:27
  a
• 23:27
  forest
• 23:28
  service
• 23:28
  Campground
• 23:29
  right
• 23:29
  next
• 23:29
  to
• 23:29
  the
• 23:30
  national
• 23:30
  park.
• 23:30
  The
• 23:30
  border
• 23:31
  was
• 23:31
  right
• 23:31
  there
• 23:31
  together,
• 23:33
  and
• 23:33
  they
• 23:33
  were
• 23:33
  shoehorned
• 23:34
  in
• 23:34
  there.
• 23:35
  And
• 23:35
  I
• 23:35
  don't
• 23:35
  know
• 23:35
  if
• 23:36
  that's
• 23:36
  Camping.
• 23:37
  I
• 23:37
  don't
• 23:37
  know
• 23:37
  how
• 23:37
  much
• 23:37
  enjoyment
• 23:38
  you
• 23:38
  get
• 23:38
  out
• 23:38
  of,
• 23:39
  being
• 23:39
  almost
• 23:39
  able
• 23:39
  to
• 23:40
  reach
• 23:40
  out
• 23:40
  and
• 23:41
  touch
• 23:41
  the
• 23:41
  RV
• 23:41
  or
• 23:42
  the
• 23:42
  camper
• 23:42
  next
• 23:43
  to
• 23:43
  you.
• 23:43
  We
• 23:43
  did
• 23:43
  go
• 23:44
  inside
• 23:44
  the
• 23:44
  national
• 23:44
  park
• 23:45
  and
• 23:45
  the
• 23:45
  national
• 23:46
  park
• 23:46
  Campground
• 23:46
  was
• 23:46
  a
• 23:46
  little
• 23:47
  bit
• 23:47
  better
• 23:47
  spaced,
• 23:48
  but
• 23:48
  I
• 23:48
  think
• 23:49
  that's
• 23:49
  an
• 23:49
  issue
• 23:50
  as
• 23:50
  more
• 23:50
  and
• 23:50
  more
• 23:51
  people
• 23:51
  head
• 23:51
  to
• 23:51
  the
• 23:51
  outdoors
• 23:53
  is
• 23:53
  we
• 23:53
  have
• 23:53
  to
• 23:53
  revisit
• 23:55
  how
• 23:55
  we
• 23:55
  set
• 23:55
  up
• 23:56
  Campground
• 23:56
  and
• 23:57
  what
• 23:57
  type
• 23:57
  of
• 23:57
  experience
• 23:58
  you
• 23:58
  want
• 23:58
  to
• 23:58
  have.
• 23:58
  As
• 23:58
  rich
• 23:59
  was
• 23:59
  mentioning,
• 23:59
  a
• 24:00
  lot
• 24:00
  of
• 24:00
  us
• 24:00
  want
• 24:00
  to
• 24:00
  get
• 24:00
  away
• 24:01
  from
• 24:01
  being
• 24:01
  shoehorned
• 24:02
  in
• 24:02
  and
• 24:02
  being
• 24:02
  able
• 24:02
  to
• 24:03
  experience
• 24:03
  the
• 24:04
  beauty
• 24:04
  of
• 24:04
  nature
• 24:04
  with
• 24:05
  a
• 24:05
  little
• 24:05
  elbow
• 24:05
  room,
• 24:05
  so
• 24:06
  to
• 24:06
  speak.
• 24:06
  And
• 24:07
  I'm
• 24:07
  not
• 24:07
  exactly
• 24:07
  sure
• 24:07
  how
• 24:08
  we
• 24:08
  tackle
• 24:08
  that
• 24:08
  without
• 24:09
  better
• 24:09
  better
• 24:09
  education
• 24:10
  and
• 24:11
  I
• 24:11
  guess
• 24:11
  more
• 24:11
  surveys
• 24:12
  on
• 24:12
  what
• 24:12
  exactly
• 24:12
  people
• 24:13
  want.
• 24:14
  I
• 24:14
  have
• 24:14
  an
• 24:14
  idea.
• 24:15
  Kurt,
• 24:15
  Eleanor,
• 24:15
  and
• 24:16
  chain,
• 24:16
  you
• 24:16
  guys
• 24:17
  are
• 24:17
  connected
• 24:17
  to
• 24:18
  the
• 24:18
  dealers
• 24:18
  and
• 24:18
  manufacturers,
• 24:19
  right?
• 24:19
  What
• 24:20
  if
• 24:20
  we
• 24:20
  just
• 24:20
  had
• 24:20
  an
• 24:21
  RV
• 24:21
  that
• 24:22
  pops
• 24:22
  out
• 24:22
  its
• 24:22
  own
• 24:23
  hedges,
• 24:23
  like
• 24:23
  six
• 24:24
  feet
• 24:24
  from
• 24:24
  each
• 24:24
  side,
• 24:27
  like
• 24:27
  artificial
• 24:28
  head,
• 24:28
  and
• 24:28
  then
• 24:29
  you
• 24:29
  can
• 24:29
  just
• 24:29
  create
• 24:29
  your
• 24:29
  own
• 24:29
  privacy
• 24:30
  wherever
• 24:30
  you're
• 24:30
  at.
• 24:30
  Forget
• 24:31
  whatever
• 24:31
  Campground
• 24:32
  we're
• 24:32
  just
• 24:32
  gonna
• 24:32
  just
• 24:33
  be
• 24:33
  like,
• 24:33
  slideouts
• 24:36
  there
• 24:36
  probably
• 24:37
  is
• 24:37
  a
• 24:37
  regulation
• 24:38
  that
• 24:38
  we're
• 24:38
  gonna
• 24:38
  break
• 24:38
  if
• 24:38
  we
• 24:39
  do
• 24:39
  that.
• 24:44
  Great
• 24:44
  innovation
• 24:46
  limitations.
• 24:47
  Yeah.
• 24:50
  I'm
• 24:50
  surprised
• 24:51
  if
• 24:51
  what
• 24:51
  you
• 24:51
  say
• 24:52
  they're
• 24:52
  only
• 24:53
  35
• 24:53
  year
• 24:54
  destinations
• 24:55
  are
• 24:55
  the
• 24:55
  most
• 24:55
  popular
• 24:56
  and
• 24:56
  you
• 24:56
  mentioned
• 24:57
  25
• 24:58
  and
• 24:58
  you
• 24:58
  mentioned
• 24:58
  that
• 24:59
  this
• 24:59
  one
• 24:59
  is
• 25:00
  wall,
• 25:00
  the
• 25:00
  wall
• 25:00
  RV.
• 25:01
  So
• 25:01
  they're
• 25:01
  still
• 25:02
  busy
• 25:02
  like
• 25:02
  the
• 25:03
  other.
• 25:04
  The
• 25:05
  9
• 25:05
  25,
• 25:07
  the
• 25:07
  name
• 25:07
  brand
• 25:07
  ones
• 25:08
  are
• 25:08
  busy.
• 25:08
  And
• 25:08
  so
• 25:09
  the
• 25:09
  one
• 25:09
  you
• 25:09
  mentioned
• 25:09
  was
• 25:10
  a
• 25:10
  name
• 25:10
  brand
• 25:10
  one,
• 25:10
  that
• 25:11
  the
• 25:11
  one
• 25:11
  that
• 25:11
  they
• 25:11
  were
• 25:12
  jammed.
• 25:12
  Rocky
• 25:13
  mountain.
• 25:13
  Yeah.
• 25:13
  Rocky
• 25:14
  mountain.
• 25:14
  Okay.
• 25:15
  So
• 25:15
  that's
• 25:15
  one
• 25:15
  of
• 25:15
  the
• 25:15
  five,
• 25:15
  all
• 25:15
  the
• 25:15
  Campground
• 25:16
  were
• 25:17
  all
• 25:17
  the
• 25:17
  Campground
• 25:18
  were
• 25:18
  full.
• 25:19
  Okay.
• 25:20
  Yeah.
• 25:20
  I
• 25:20
  think
• 25:21
  we
• 25:21
  see
• 25:21
  the
• 25:21
  same
• 25:21
  thing
• 25:22
  in
• 25:22
  Canada.
• 25:22
  You've
• 25:23
  got
• 25:23
  the
• 25:23
  big
• 25:23
  national
• 25:23
  parks
• 25:24
  that
• 25:24
  are,
• 25:25
  that
• 25:25
  are
• 25:25
  well
• 25:25
  known,
• 25:25
  especially,
• 25:26
  where
• 25:26
  Cara
• 25:26
  is,
• 25:27
  Jasper
• 25:27
  B.
• 25:27
  They're
• 25:28
  I'm
• 25:28
  assuming
• 25:29
  they're
• 25:29
  pretty
• 25:29
  full
• 25:29
  right
• 25:30
  about
• 25:30
  now.
• 25:30
  But
• 25:30
  you've
• 25:30
  got
• 25:31
  other
• 25:31
  properties
• 25:31
  and,
• 25:32
  people
• 25:33
  don't
• 25:33
  always
• 25:34
  know
• 25:34
  and
• 25:34
  maybe
• 25:34
  that's
• 25:35
  something
• 25:35
  we
• 25:35
  can
• 25:35
  engage
• 25:36
  our
• 25:36
  go
• 25:36
  RV
• 25:36
  in
• 25:36
  Canada
• 25:37
  and
• 25:37
  our
• 25:37
  go
• 25:37
  RV
• 25:38
  team
• 25:38
  to,
• 25:39
  to
• 25:39
  look
• 25:39
  at,
• 25:40
  they
• 25:40
  do
• 25:40
  on
• 25:40
  their
• 25:40
  website
• 25:41
  have
• 25:41
  how
• 25:42
  to
• 25:42
  RV
• 25:42
  and
• 25:43
  information
• 25:43
  for
• 25:43
  first
• 25:44
  timers.
• 25:44
  And
• 25:44
  we
• 25:45
  talk
• 25:45
  a
• 25:45
  bit
• 25:45
  about
• 25:45
  the
• 25:45
  Camping
• 25:46
  experience,
• 25:46
  but
• 25:47
  maybe
• 25:47
  try
• 25:47
  to
• 25:48
  some
• 25:48
  more
• 25:48
  opportunities
• 25:49
  that
• 25:49
  are
• 25:50
  up
• 25:50
  there.
• 25:50
  It's
• 25:50
  a,
• 25:50
  it's
• 25:50
  an
• 25:50
  interesting
• 25:51
  marketing
• 25:51
  strategy,
• 25:52
  right?
• 25:52
  Because
• 25:52
  you
• 25:52
  always
• 25:53
  talk
• 25:53
  about,
• 25:53
  we,
• 25:54
  there's
• 25:54
  so
• 25:54
  much
• 25:54
  content
• 25:55
  out
• 25:55
  there
• 25:55
  about,
• 25:55
  we
• 25:55
  use
• 25:56
  bam
• 25:56
  and
• 25:56
  Jasper
• 25:56
  as
• 25:57
  an
• 25:57
  example,
• 25:57
  right?
• 25:58
  So
• 25:58
  much
• 25:58
  content
• 25:59
  about
• 25:59
  Jasper
• 26:00
  and
• 26:00
  why
• 26:00
  to
• 26:00
  camp
• 26:00
  there
• 26:00
  and
• 26:00
  why
• 26:01
  you
• 26:01
  can
• 26:01
  go
• 26:01
  hiking
• 26:01
  and
• 26:01
  what
• 26:01
  you
• 26:02
  can
• 26:02
  do.
• 26:02
  And
• 26:02
  same
• 26:02
  thing
• 26:02
  with
• 26:02
  bam,
• 26:03
  because
• 26:03
  it's
• 26:03
  so
• 26:04
  many
• 26:04
  people
• 26:04
  go
• 26:04
  there.
• 26:04
  So
• 26:05
  many
• 26:05
  people
• 26:05
  who
• 26:05
  great
• 26:05
  content,
• 26:06
  what
• 26:07
  you
• 26:07
  really
• 26:07
  need
• 26:07
  is
• 26:07
  to
• 26:07
  get
• 26:07
  the
• 26:08
  eyeballs
• 26:09
  of
• 26:09
  the
• 26:09
  people
• 26:09
  who
• 26:09
  are
• 26:10
  considering
• 26:10
  BA
• 26:11
  to
• 26:11
  divert
• 26:12
  them
• 26:12
  to
• 26:12
  the
• 26:12
  other
• 26:13
  parks.
• 26:14
  That's
• 26:14
  how
• 26:14
  you
• 26:14
  really
• 26:14
  need
• 26:15
  to
• 26:15
  reach
• 26:15
  them.
• 26:15
  So
• 26:15
  what
• 26:16
  we
• 26:16
  need
• 26:16
  is
• 26:16
  a
• 26:16
  video
• 26:17
  on
• 26:17
  YouTube,
• 26:17
  like
• 26:17
  why
• 26:18
  bam
• 26:18
  sucks
• 26:20
  or
• 26:20
  don't
• 26:20
  go
• 26:20
  Camping
• 26:21
  in
• 26:21
  bath
• 26:22
  and
• 26:22
  then
• 26:22
  people
• 26:23
  would
• 26:23
  watch
• 26:23
  that.
• 26:23
  And
• 26:24
  then
• 26:24
  they'd,
• 26:24
  then
• 26:24
  you
• 26:24
  could
• 26:25
  present
• 26:25
  that
• 26:25
  in
• 26:25
  that
• 26:25
  video.
• 26:27
  Why
• 26:27
  Brian
• 26:27
  put
• 26:28
  that
• 26:28
  with
• 26:28
  your
• 26:28
  hedge.
• 26:29
  Yeah,
• 26:30
  my
• 26:30
  head
• 26:31
  that
• 26:32
  with
• 26:32
  the,
• 26:32
  I've
• 26:32
  got
• 26:33
  a
• 26:33
  ton
• 26:33
  of
• 26:33
  great
• 26:33
  ideas.
• 26:34
  I'm
• 26:34
  not
• 26:34
  saying
• 26:36
  we
• 26:36
  should
• 26:36
  listen
• 26:37
  to
• 26:37
  anything
• 26:37
  I
• 26:37
  say,
• 26:38
  but
• 26:38
  seriously
• 26:39
  really
• 26:39
  like
• 26:39
  I'm
• 26:40
  not
• 26:40
  talking
• 26:40
  about
• 26:40
  insulting
• 26:41
  for
• 26:41
  honestly,
• 26:41
  I'm
• 26:41
  not
• 26:41
  talking
• 26:42
  about
• 26:42
  insulting
• 26:42
  ban
• 26:43
  for
• 26:43
  Jasper,
• 26:43
  but
• 26:44
  the
• 26:44
  idea
• 26:44
  is
• 26:44
  sound,
• 26:45
  that's
• 26:45
  how
• 26:45
  you
• 26:45
  reach.
• 26:46
  You
• 26:46
  don't
• 26:46
  want
• 26:46
  to
• 26:46
  title
• 26:47
  the
• 26:47
  video
• 26:47
  that
• 26:47
  and
• 26:47
  create
• 26:48
  that
• 26:48
  kind
• 26:48
  of
• 26:48
  content
• 26:48
  obviously.
• 26:49
  But
• 26:50
  to
• 26:50
  reach
• 26:50
  the
• 26:50
  people
• 26:51
  who
• 26:51
  are
• 26:51
  already
• 26:51
  aware
• 26:52
  of
• 26:52
  BA
• 26:52
  and
• 26:52
  who
• 26:52
  are
• 26:53
  researching
• 26:53
  those
• 26:53
  things
• 26:54
  and
• 26:54
  insert
• 26:54
  yourself
• 26:55
  into
• 26:55
  the
• 26:55
  conversation
• 26:56
  so
• 26:56
  that
• 26:56
  these
• 26:56
  national
• 26:57
  parks
• 26:58
  who
• 26:58
  are
• 26:58
  underserved
• 26:59
  are
• 26:59
  being
• 27:00
  seen,
• 27:00
  cuz
• 27:00
  people
• 27:01
  aren't
• 27:01
  Googling
• 27:01
  them.
• 27:01
  So
• 27:01
  you
• 27:02
  put
• 27:02
  out
• 27:02
  the
• 27:02
  content
• 27:02
  all
• 27:02
  day,
• 27:03
  but
• 27:03
  if
• 27:03
  they
• 27:03
  don't
• 27:03
  know
• 27:03
  the
• 27:03
  names,
• 27:04
  they're
• 27:04
  not
• 27:04
  finding
• 27:05
  it
• 27:06
  well.
• 27:06
  And,
• 27:06
  but
• 27:06
  then
• 27:06
  the
• 27:06
  other
• 27:07
  issue
• 27:07
  is
• 27:08
  if
• 27:08
  the
• 27:09
  few
• 27:09
  campgrounds
• 27:10
  that
• 27:10
  are
• 27:10
  available
• 27:11
  are
• 27:11
  all
• 27:11
  full,
• 27:12
  then
• 27:13
  you
• 27:13
  can
• 27:13
  talk
• 27:14
  about
• 27:14
  another
• 27:14
  location.
• 27:15
  All
• 27:15
  you
• 27:15
  want,
• 27:15
  if
• 27:15
  there's
• 27:15
  nowhere
• 27:16
  to
• 27:16
  camp
• 27:17
  or
• 27:17
  it,
• 27:17
  or
• 27:18
  if
• 27:18
  it's
• 27:18
  trying
• 27:19
  to
• 27:19
  say
• 27:19
  this
• 27:19
  kindly
• 27:20
  or
• 27:20
  if
• 27:20
  it's
• 27:21
  a
• 27:21
  location
• 27:22
  that.
• 27:22
  Maybe
• 27:23
  can't
• 27:24
  provide
• 27:24
  the
• 27:24
  level
• 27:25
  of
• 27:25
  service
• 27:25
  and
• 27:25
  amenities
• 27:26
  that
• 27:26
  our
• 27:26
  consumers,
• 27:27
  those
• 27:27
  consumers
• 27:28
  are
• 27:28
  looking
• 27:28
  for.
• 27:30
  Then
• 27:30
  you're
• 27:31
  in
• 27:31
  this
• 27:31
  conundrum
• 27:31
  where
• 27:33
  you
• 27:33
  can
• 27:33
  push
• 27:33
  traffic
• 27:34
  there,
• 27:34
  all
• 27:34
  you
• 27:34
  want,
• 27:35
  but
• 27:35
  if
• 27:35
  you
• 27:35
  don't
• 27:35
  have
• 27:35
  capacity
• 27:36
  or
• 27:36
  service
• 27:36
  level
• 27:37
  the
• 27:37
  consumers
• 27:38
  are
• 27:38
  driving
• 27:39
  for
• 27:39
  it's
• 27:39
  not
• 27:40
  gonna
• 27:40
  work.
• 27:40
  I
• 27:41
  think
• 27:41
  we
• 27:41
  have
• 27:42
  a
• 27:42
  bigger
• 27:42
  issues
• 27:43
  in
• 27:44
  not,
• 27:44
  maybe
• 27:45
  not
• 27:45
  sweepingly
• 27:45
  across
• 27:46
  the
• 27:46
  board,
• 27:46
  but
• 27:46
  in
• 27:47
  some
• 27:47
  areas
• 27:47
  we
• 27:47
  have
• 27:47
  a
• 27:47
  bigger
• 27:48
  issue
• 27:48
  where,
• 27:48
  we
• 27:48
  have
• 27:49
  really
• 27:49
  aging
• 27:49
  infrastructure
• 27:50
  in
• 27:50
  lots
• 27:50
  of
• 27:50
  these
• 27:51
  parks.
• 27:52
  And
• 27:52
  again,
• 27:52
  I'm
• 27:52
  speaking
• 27:53
  specifically
• 27:53
  for
• 27:53
  the
• 27:53
  ones
• 27:54
  I'm
• 27:54
  familiar
• 27:54
  with
• 27:54
  here
• 27:55
  in
• 27:55
  Canada,
• 27:56
  but
• 27:56
  those
• 27:56
  kinds
• 27:56
  of
• 27:56
  limitations,
• 27:58
  push
• 27:58
  guests
• 27:59
  to
• 27:59
  the
• 27:59
  parks
• 28:00
  that
• 28:01
  have
• 28:01
  received
• 28:02
  all
• 28:02
  the
• 28:02
  funding
• 28:03
  dollars
• 28:04
  to
• 28:04
  get
• 28:05
  rans
• 28:06
  and
• 28:06
  all
• 28:06
  of
• 28:06
  those
• 28:06
  things.
• 28:07
  It's
• 28:07
  a
• 28:07
  circular
• 28:09
  problem,
• 28:09
  in
• 28:09
  my
• 28:10
  opinion.
• 28:10
  Couple
• 28:10
  that
• 28:11
  with,
• 28:11
  I
• 28:11
  was
• 28:11
  talking
• 28:12
  with
• 28:12
  somebody
• 28:12
  from
• 28:12
  Alberta
• 28:13
  parks
• 28:14
  a
• 28:14
  couple
• 28:14
  of
• 28:14
  months
• 28:14
  ago
• 28:15
  about
• 28:16
  us
• 28:16
  doing
• 28:16
  a
• 28:17
  better
• 28:17
  job
• 28:17
  of
• 28:17
  partnering
• 28:18
  the,
• 28:19
  between
• 28:20
  the
• 28:20
  public
• 28:20
  and
• 28:20
  private
• 28:21
  sector,
• 28:21
  so
• 28:21
  that
• 28:22
  in
• 28:22
  a
• 28:22
  dream
• 28:22
  utopian
• 28:23
  world
• 28:23
  when
• 28:23
  so
• 28:23
  many
• 28:24
  consumers
• 28:24
  are
• 28:24
  searching
• 28:25
  for
• 28:25
  Campground
• 28:26
  locations
• 28:27
  in
• 28:27
  Alberta,
• 28:27
  their
• 28:28
  first
• 28:28
  thought
• 28:28
  is
• 28:28
  those
• 28:29
  national
• 28:29
  and
• 28:29
  provincial
• 28:30
  parks.
• 28:30
  and
• 28:30
  they're
• 28:30
  often
• 28:31
  full
• 28:31
  and
• 28:31
  fully
• 28:31
  booked,
• 28:32
  and
• 28:32
  it
• 28:32
  would
• 28:32
  be
• 28:32
  nice
• 28:33
  to
• 28:33
  see
• 28:33
  us
• 28:33
  find
• 28:34
  a
• 28:34
  solution
• 28:34
  that
• 28:34
  helps
• 28:35
  push
• 28:35
  some
• 28:35
  of
• 28:36
  that
• 28:36
  traffic.
• 28:36
  If
• 28:36
  this,
• 28:37
  if
• 28:37
  we
• 28:37
  have
• 28:37
  no
• 28:37
  sites
• 28:38
  in
• 28:38
  our
• 28:38
  public
• 28:38
  parks,
• 28:39
  that's
• 28:40
  a
• 28:40
  shame
• 28:40
  and
• 28:41
  sorry,
• 28:41
  but
• 28:42
  here's
• 28:43
  five
• 28:43
  private
• 28:44
  privately
• 28:45
  owned
• 28:45
  campgrounds
• 28:46
  within
• 28:46
  however
• 28:47
  many
• 28:47
  kilometers
• 28:48
  of
• 28:49
  the
• 28:49
  park.
• 28:49
  And,
• 28:50
  check
• 28:50
  them
• 28:50
  out
• 28:50
  for
• 28:51
  availability.
• 28:52
  There's
• 28:52
  better
• 28:52
  ways
• 28:53
  we
• 28:53
  can
• 28:53
  be
• 28:53
  serving
• 28:54
  a
• 28:54
  consumer
• 28:54
  broadly
• 28:55
  as
• 28:55
  an
• 28:55
  industry,
• 28:56
  in
• 28:56
  my
• 28:56
  opinion.
• 28:57
  Yeah,
• 28:57
  there
• 28:57
  are
• 28:58
  couple,
• 28:59
  go
• 28:59
  ahead.
• 28:59
  There
• 29:00
  are
• 29:00
  a
• 29:00
  couple
• 29:00
  internet
• 29:00
  sites
• 29:01
  that,
• 29:01
  that
• 29:01
  will
• 29:01
  do
• 29:02
  that
• 29:02
  for
• 29:02
  you.
• 29:03
  For
• 29:03
  instance,
• 29:03
  when
• 29:03
  I
• 29:03
  was
• 29:03
  going
• 29:03
  to
• 29:04
  Scott's
• 29:04
  bluff,
• 29:04
  I
• 29:04
  knew
• 29:04
  there
• 29:05
  wasn't
• 29:05
  a
• 29:05
  Campground
• 29:06
  at
• 29:06
  Scott's
• 29:07
  bluff.
• 29:07
  And
• 29:07
  so
• 29:09
  the
• 29:09
  one
• 29:09
  is
• 29:09
  hip
• 29:10
  camp
• 29:11
  and
• 29:11
  it's
• 29:11
  a
• 29:12
  directory
• 29:13
  of
• 29:13
  privately
• 29:13
  owned
• 29:14
  Campground.
• 29:15
  And
• 29:15
  you
• 29:15
  can
• 29:15
  put
• 29:15
  in
• 29:16
  the,
• 29:16
  your
• 29:16
  destination
• 29:17
  and
• 29:17
  it
• 29:17
  will
• 29:17
  pop
• 29:17
  up.
• 29:18
  Here's
• 29:18
  one.
• 29:18
  I
• 29:18
  think
• 29:18
  it's
• 29:19
  still
• 29:19
  spreading.
• 29:19
  I
• 29:19
  don't
• 29:19
  know
• 29:19
  if
• 29:20
  they
• 29:20
  operate
• 29:20
  in
• 29:20
  Canada.
• 29:21
  I
• 29:21
  will
• 29:22
  forewarn
• 29:23
  folks
• 29:24
  that
• 29:24
  I
• 29:24
  don't
• 29:24
  think
• 29:24
  that
• 29:24
  they
• 29:25
  totally
• 29:25
  review
• 29:26
  the
• 29:26
  members
• 29:26
  that
• 29:26
  they
• 29:27
  accept
• 29:27
  into
• 29:27
  their
• 29:28
  system
• 29:28
  because
• 29:29
  the
• 29:29
  Campground
• 29:29
  that
• 29:29
  I
• 29:30
  signed
• 29:30
  up
• 29:30
  for
• 29:30
  two
• 29:31
  nights
• 29:31
  was
• 29:31
  a
• 29:31
  cow
• 29:31
  past.
• 29:32
  And
• 29:32
  I,
• 29:32
  yeah,
• 29:32
  we
• 29:32
  have
• 29:33
  hurdles
• 29:34
  around
• 29:34
  all
• 29:35
  of
• 29:35
  that
• 29:35
  stuff.
• 29:35
  There's
• 29:36
  regulatory
• 29:36
  concerns
• 29:37
  for
• 29:37
  me
• 29:37
  there
• 29:38
  that
• 29:38
  there's
• 29:38
  lots
• 29:38
  of
• 29:38
  Bo
• 29:39
  docking
• 29:39
  situations
• 29:40
  that,
• 29:40
  maybe
• 29:41
  don't
• 29:41
  have
• 29:42
  licensing
• 29:42
  and
• 29:42
  things
• 29:43
  like
• 29:43
  that.
• 29:43
  So
• 29:44
  there's
• 29:45
  so
• 29:45
  many
• 29:45
  pieces
• 29:46
  to
• 29:46
  the
• 29:46
  puzzle.
• 29:46
  It's,
• 29:47
  wish
• 29:47
  there
• 29:47
  was
• 29:47
  a
• 29:49
  easy
• 29:49
  answer.
• 29:49
  No,
• 29:49
  and
• 29:50
  we
• 29:50
  know
• 29:50
  there's
• 29:50
  not,
• 29:50
  but
• 29:50
  that's
• 29:51
  why
• 29:51
  I
• 29:51
  think
• 29:51
  it's
• 29:52
  good
• 29:52
  to
• 29:52
  have
• 29:52
  these
• 29:52
  conversations
• 29:53
  so
• 29:53
  we
• 29:53
  can
• 29:54
  start
• 29:54
  to
• 29:54
  tackle
• 29:54
  this
• 29:55
  piece
• 29:55
  by
• 29:55
  piece.
• 29:55
  And
• 29:55
  we've
• 29:55
  talked
• 29:56
  about
• 29:56
  that
• 29:56
  on
• 29:56
  previous
• 29:57
  shows
• 29:57
  specific
• 29:58
  to
• 29:58
  cured.
• 29:58
  I
• 29:58
  know
• 29:58
  he
• 29:59
  came
• 29:59
  out
• 29:59
  with
• 29:59
  that
• 29:59
  brand
• 29:59
  new
• 30:00
  guide
• 30:00
  that
• 30:00
  tries
• 30:00
  to
• 30:01
  bridge
• 30:01
  the
• 30:01
  gap
• 30:01
  but
• 30:02
  ways
• 30:02
  to
• 30:02
  cross
• 30:03
  promote
• 30:03
  private
• 30:04
  public
• 30:04
  infrastructure
• 30:05
  overflow
• 30:06
  where
• 30:06
  to
• 30:06
  send
• 30:06
  those
• 30:07
  kinds
• 30:07
  of
• 30:07
  places.
• 30:07
  And
• 30:07
  so
• 30:08
  I
• 30:08
  think
• 30:08
  the
• 30:08
  more
• 30:08
  conversations
• 30:09
  we
• 30:09
  have
• 30:09
  with
• 30:09
  each
• 30:09
  other
• 30:10
  who
• 30:10
  are
• 30:10
  the
• 30:10
  stakeholders
• 30:11
  who
• 30:11
  can
• 30:11
  drive
• 30:11
  these
• 30:11
  conversations,
• 30:12
  the
• 30:12
  better
• 30:12
  we
• 30:12
  can
• 30:12
  figure
• 30:13
  out
• 30:13
  this
• 30:13
  is
• 30:13
  step
• 30:13
  1,
• 30:14
  2,
• 30:14
  3,
• 30:14
  4,
• 30:15
  5,
• 30:15
  and
• 30:15
  on.
• 30:15
  And
• 30:15
  hopefully
• 30:16
  we
• 30:16
  can
• 30:16
  try
• 30:16
  to
• 30:16
  also
• 30:16
  address.
• 30:17
  I
• 30:17
  think
• 30:17
  some
• 30:18
  of,
• 30:18
  one
• 30:18
  of
• 30:18
  the
• 30:18
  biggest
• 30:19
  barriers
• 30:19
  is
• 30:20
  consumers
• 30:21
  don't
• 30:21
  necessarily
• 30:22
  understand
• 30:23
  the
• 30:23
  difference
• 30:24
  between
• 30:24
  a
• 30:24
  national
• 30:25
  park
• 30:25
  and
• 30:25
  a
• 30:25
  provincial
• 30:26
  park
• 30:26
  and
• 30:27
  a
• 30:27
  private
• 30:27
  park.
• 30:28
  And
• 30:28
  so
• 30:28
  there's
• 30:28
  this
• 30:29
  and
• 30:29
  because
• 30:30
  we
• 30:30
  don't
• 30:30
  have
• 30:30
  the
• 30:30
  type
• 30:31
  of
• 30:31
  tools
• 30:31
  and
• 30:31
  resources
• 30:32
  where
• 30:33
  a
• 30:33
  consumer
• 30:34
  can
• 30:34
  just
• 30:34
  go
• 30:34
  and
• 30:35
  find
• 30:35
  all
• 30:36
  the
• 30:36
  campgrounds
• 30:36
  in
• 30:36
  one
• 30:37
  place
• 30:37
  it's
• 30:38
  created
• 30:38
  this
• 30:38
  fragmented
• 30:40
  scenario
• 30:40
  where
• 30:41
  a
• 30:41
  consumer
• 30:42
  has
• 30:42
  to
• 30:42
  access
• 30:43
  multiple
• 30:43
  different
• 30:43
  resources
• 30:45
  to
• 30:45
  access
• 30:45
  multiple
• 30:46
  different
• 30:46
  sectors.
• 30:47
  And
• 30:47
  if
• 30:47
  they
• 30:48
  don't
• 30:48
  have
• 30:48
  that
• 30:48
  awareness
• 30:50
  here
• 30:50
  we
• 30:50
  are
• 30:51
  back
• 30:51
  at
• 30:51
  the
• 30:51
  awareness
• 30:51
  conversation.
• 30:52
  It's
• 30:52
  a
• 30:52
  hurdle
• 30:53
  for
• 30:53
  sure.
• 30:53
  We
• 30:54
  got
• 30:54
  a
• 30:54
  lot
• 30:54
  of
• 30:54
  smart
• 30:54
  people
• 30:54
  on
• 30:55
  this
• 30:55
  call
• 30:55
  and
• 30:55
  who
• 30:55
  are
• 30:55
  watching.
• 30:56
  So
• 30:56
  hopefully
• 30:57
  we
• 30:57
  can
• 30:57
  put
• 30:57
  our
• 30:57
  heads
• 30:57
  together
• 30:58
  and
• 30:58
  figure
• 30:58
  out
• 30:58
  something.
• 30:59
  Is
• 30:59
  there
• 30:59
  opportunities,
• 30:59
  do
• 30:59
  you
• 31:00
  feel
• 31:00
  like
• 31:00
  Eleanor
• 31:00
  and
• 31:00
  Shane
• 31:01
  from
• 31:01
  a
• 31:01
  dealer
• 31:01
  perspective
• 31:02
  to
• 31:02
  get
• 31:02
  information
• 31:03
  into
• 31:03
  consumer's
• 31:04
  hands,
• 31:04
  does
• 31:04
  it
• 31:04
  benefit
• 31:05
  you
• 31:05
  guys
• 31:06
  to
• 31:06
  do
• 31:06
  that?
• 31:06
  I
• 31:06
  feel
• 31:06
  like
• 31:06
  it
• 31:06
  would.
• 31:07
  Oh
• 31:07
  yeah,
• 31:08
  absolutely.
• 31:08
  We
• 31:08
  always
• 31:09
  encourage,
• 31:09
  first
• 31:09
  of
• 31:10
  all,
• 31:10
  our
• 31:10
  dealer
• 31:10
  members
• 31:11
  to
• 31:11
  work
• 31:11
  with,
• 31:12
  the
• 31:12
  Campground
• 31:13
  operators
• 31:13
  in
• 31:14
  their
• 31:14
  region,
• 31:14
  develop
• 31:15
  a
• 31:15
  relationship
• 31:15
  with
• 31:16
  a
• 31:16
  Campground
• 31:16
  operator
• 31:17
  or
• 31:17
  the
• 31:17
  Campground
• 31:18
  that
• 31:18
  are
• 31:18
  there
• 31:19
  nearby
• 31:19
  you.
• 31:20
  And
• 31:20
  same
• 31:20
  with
• 31:20
  the
• 31:20
  Campground
• 31:21
  operators.
• 31:21
  If
• 31:21
  you're
• 31:22
  near
• 31:22
  a
• 31:22
  national
• 31:22
  park,
• 31:23
  give
• 31:23
  them
• 31:23
  the
• 31:23
  information,
• 31:24
  be
• 31:24
  proactive
• 31:25
  and
• 31:25
  make
• 31:25
  sure
• 31:25
  that
• 31:26
  you
• 31:26
  have
• 31:26
  that
• 31:27
  information
• 31:27
  to
• 31:27
  them.
• 31:28
  So
• 31:28
  if
• 31:28
  they're
• 31:28
  full,
• 31:28
  they.
• 31:30
  give
• 31:30
  give
• 31:30
  your
• 31:30
  contact
• 31:31
  information
• 31:31
  out,
• 31:32
  for
• 31:32
  overflow
• 31:33
  dealers,
• 31:33
  there's
• 31:34
  a
• 31:34
  lot
• 31:34
  that
• 31:34
  goes
• 31:34
  on
• 31:35
  at
• 31:35
  the
• 31:35
  dealership
• 31:35
  level
• 31:35
  when
• 31:36
  someone's
• 31:36
  coming
• 31:36
  to
• 31:36
  pick
• 31:37
  up
• 31:37
  their
• 31:37
  RV.
• 31:37
  But
• 31:38
  absolutely
• 31:38
  on
• 31:39
  how
• 31:39
  to
• 31:39
  use
• 31:39
  it.
• 31:40
  If
• 31:40
  they
• 31:40
  had
• 31:40
  a,
• 31:41
  where
• 31:41
  to
• 31:41
  camp
• 31:41
  component
• 31:42
  that
• 31:42
  they
• 31:42
  could
• 31:43
  incorporate
• 31:43
  into
• 31:44
  the
• 31:44
  learning
• 31:44
  or
• 31:44
  the
• 31:45
  onboarding
• 31:45
  of
• 31:45
  the
• 31:46
  new
• 31:46
  consumer,
• 31:46
  that
• 31:47
  would
• 31:47
  be
• 31:47
  a
• 31:47
  great
• 31:47
  opportunity
• 31:48
  there.
• 31:49
  What
• 31:49
  if
• 31:49
  we
• 31:50
  incurred,
• 31:51
  I'm
• 31:51
  just
• 31:51
  throwing
• 31:51
  out
• 31:52
  a
• 31:52
  random
• 31:52
  suggestion
• 31:53
  for
• 31:53
  you,
• 31:53
  but
• 31:54
  what
• 31:54
  if
• 31:54
  places
• 31:54
  like
• 31:55
  the
• 31:55
  national
• 31:55
  park
• 31:55
  traveler
• 31:56
  could
• 31:56
  put
• 31:56
  together
• 31:57
  a
• 31:57
  guide,
• 31:58
  a
• 31:58
  booklet,
• 31:59
  one
• 31:59
  page,
• 32:00
  two
• 32:00
  pages,
• 32:00
  five
• 32:00
  pages,
• 32:01
  whatever
• 32:01
  that
• 32:01
  could
• 32:01
  be
• 32:03
  given
• 32:03
  to
• 32:03
  people
• 32:04
  who
• 32:04
  purchase
• 32:04
  new
• 32:04
  RVs?
• 32:06
  What
• 32:06
  a
• 32:06
  concept.
• 32:11
  I
• 32:11
  know
• 32:11
  you
• 32:11
  have
• 32:11
  the
• 32:11
  guide.
• 32:12
  Kurt,
• 32:12
  I'm
• 32:12
  talking
• 32:12
  about
• 32:13
  a,
• 32:13
  I'm
• 32:13
  talking
• 32:13
  about
• 32:14
  a,
• 32:14
  this
• 32:14
  is
• 32:15
  a
• 32:15
  very
• 32:15
  brief,
• 32:16
  this
• 32:16
  is
• 32:16
  underserved
• 32:17
  list.
• 32:18
  Like
• 32:18
  here's
• 32:19
  some
• 32:19
  alternate
• 32:19
  invest,
• 32:20
  like
• 32:20
  focus
• 32:20
  on
• 32:20
  this.
• 32:21
  Yeah
• 32:22
  to
• 32:22
  avoid
• 32:22
  the
• 32:22
  overcrowding,
• 32:23
  obviously
• 32:24
  in
• 32:24
  Canada
• 32:24
  when
• 32:24
  we're
• 32:24
  talking
• 32:25
  about
• 32:25
  this,
• 32:25
  but
• 32:25
  I,
• 32:26
  because
• 32:26
  you
• 32:26
  have
• 32:27
  your
• 32:27
  big
• 32:27
  guide,
• 32:27
  people
• 32:27
  are
• 32:27
  gonna
• 32:28
  absolutely
• 32:28
  reference
• 32:28
  that,
• 32:29
  but
• 32:29
  target
• 32:30
  it
• 32:30
  niche.
• 32:31
  This
• 32:31
  is
• 32:31
  what
• 32:31
  we
• 32:31
  wanna
• 32:31
  do.
• 32:31
  In
• 32:32
  our
• 32:32
  guide,
• 32:32
  which
• 32:32
  just
• 32:33
  came
• 32:33
  out
• 32:33
  last
• 32:33
  month.
• 32:34
  We
• 32:34
  look
• 32:34
  at
• 32:34
  every
• 32:35
  national
• 32:35
  park
• 32:36
  in
• 32:36
  the
• 32:36
  us
• 32:37
  that
• 32:37
  has
• 32:37
  Campground.
• 32:39
  So
• 32:39
  if
• 32:39
  it's
• 32:39
  a
• 32:40
  small
• 32:40
  park
• 32:40
  and
• 32:41
  has
• 32:41
  a
• 32:41
  Campground
• 32:41
  it's
• 32:41
  in
• 32:42
  that
• 32:42
  guide,
• 32:42
  if
• 32:42
  it
• 32:42
  doesn't
• 32:43
  have
• 32:43
  a
• 32:43
  Campground,
• 32:43
  it's
• 32:44
  not
• 32:44
  gonna
• 32:44
  be
• 32:44
  in
• 32:44
  that
• 32:44
  guide.
• 32:45
  May,
• 32:45
  maybe
• 32:45
  down
• 32:46
  the
• 32:46
  road
• 32:46
  with
• 32:47
  further
• 32:47
  iterations,
• 32:48
  we
• 32:48
  could,
• 32:48
  include
• 32:49
  a
• 32:49
  small
• 32:49
  park
• 32:49
  without
• 32:50
  a
• 32:50
  Campground
• 32:50
  and
• 32:51
  say
• 32:51
  where
• 32:51
  the
• 32:52
  closest
• 32:52
  Campground
• 32:52
  is,
• 32:53
  it's.
• 32:55
  it's
• 32:55
  a
• 32:55
  tough
• 32:55
  question.
• 32:56
  I'm
• 32:56
  not
• 32:56
  sure
• 32:56
  which
• 32:56
  way
• 32:57
  to
• 32:57
  go.
• 32:57
  If
• 32:57
  the
• 32:57
  general
• 32:58
  public
• 32:58
  doesn't
• 32:58
  care
• 32:59
  about
• 32:59
  the
• 32:59
  smaller
• 33:00
  units
• 33:00
  it's
• 33:01
  not
• 33:01
  worth
• 33:01
  investing
• 33:01
  the
• 33:02
  time
• 33:02
  in
• 33:02
  it.
• 33:02
  Then
• 33:02
  I'm
• 33:03
  working.
• 33:03
  Actually
• 33:04
  today,
• 33:04
  I
• 33:04
  was
• 33:04
  working
• 33:04
  on
• 33:05
  a
• 33:05
  survey
• 33:05
  to
• 33:05
  put
• 33:05
  out
• 33:05
  to
• 33:06
  our
• 33:06
  readership
• 33:06
  to
• 33:06
  see
• 33:07
  what
• 33:07
  the
• 33:07
  deal
• 33:07
  is,
• 33:08
  why
• 33:08
  they're
• 33:08
  only
• 33:08
  going
• 33:08
  to
• 33:09
  25
• 33:09
  units
• 33:09
  in
• 33:09
  the
• 33:10
  national
• 33:10
  park
• 33:10
  system.
• 33:11
  But
• 33:12
  we
• 33:12
  are
• 33:12
  thinking
• 33:12
  ahead
• 33:13
  to
• 33:13
  the
• 33:13
  second
• 33:13
  edition
• 33:14
  and
• 33:14
  what
• 33:14
  we
• 33:14
  can
• 33:14
  do
• 33:14
  to
• 33:15
  make
• 33:15
  it
• 33:15
  more
• 33:15
  responsive.
• 33:16
  And,
• 33:16
  if
• 33:16
  there's
• 33:17
  interest
• 33:17
  from
• 33:17
  the
• 33:18
  Canadian
• 33:18
  RV
• 33:18
  industry
• 33:19
  to,
• 33:19
  to
• 33:20
  include
• 33:20
  Canadian
• 33:20
  parks
• 33:21
  in
• 33:21
  that
• 33:21
  guide,
• 33:22
  I'd
• 33:22
  be
• 33:22
  happy
• 33:22
  to
• 33:22
  go
• 33:22
  down
• 33:22
  that
• 33:23
  road
• 33:23
  too.
• 33:24
  Is
• 33:25
  the
• 33:25
  guide
• 33:25
  available
• 33:26
  for
• 33:27
  purchase
• 33:27
  or
• 33:28
  is
• 33:28
  it
• 33:28
  is
• 33:28
  how
• 33:28
  do
• 33:29
  people
• 33:29
  obtain
• 33:30
  the
• 33:30
  guide?
• 33:31
  Yeah,
• 33:32
  we
• 33:32
  sell
• 33:32
  the
• 33:32
  guide
• 33:32
  for
• 33:32
  9
• 33:33
  95
• 33:34
  and
• 33:34
  you
• 33:34
  can
• 33:34
  get
• 33:34
  it
• 33:35
  through
• 33:35
  amazon.com
• 33:36
  or
• 33:36
  you
• 33:36
  can
• 33:36
  go
• 33:36
  to
• 33:36
  the
• 33:36
  traveler
• 33:37
  website
• 33:37
  and
• 33:37
  get
• 33:38
  it
• 33:38
  directly
• 33:38
  there.
• 33:39
  But
• 33:40
  I
• 33:40
  think
• 33:40
  it's
• 33:40
  a.
• 33:41
  A
• 33:41
  great
• 33:41
  resource
• 33:42
  in
• 33:42
  terms
• 33:42
  of
• 33:42
  parks
• 33:43
  that
• 33:43
  have
• 33:43
  the
• 33:43
  campgrounds
• 33:44
  and
• 33:44
  Ellen,
• 33:45
  I
• 33:45
  don't
• 33:45
  know
• 33:45
  if
• 33:45
  you
• 33:45
  caught
• 33:46
  earlier
• 33:46
  shows
• 33:46
  where
• 33:47
  we
• 33:47
  talked
• 33:47
  about
• 33:47
  it,
• 33:47
  but
• 33:48
  it
• 33:48
  breaks
• 33:48
  down
• 33:48
  everything
• 33:49
  from
• 33:49
  whether
• 33:49
  there's
• 33:50
  wifi,
• 33:50
  to
• 33:51
  what
• 33:51
  the
• 33:51
  hookups
• 33:51
  are
• 33:51
  to
• 33:52
  how
• 33:52
  big
• 33:52
  of
• 33:52
  an
• 33:52
  RV
• 33:53
  will
• 33:53
  fit
• 33:53
  in
• 33:54
  there
• 33:54
  into
• 33:55
  that
• 33:55
  Campground.
• 33:55
  And
• 33:55
  that's
• 33:56
  just
• 33:56
  three
• 33:57
  of
• 33:57
  the,
• 33:58
  there's
• 33:58
  probably
• 33:59
  25
• 33:59
  or
• 33:59
  three
• 33:59
  dozen
• 34:00
  different
• 34:01
  aspects
• 34:01
  that
• 34:01
  we
• 34:01
  look
• 34:02
  like
• 34:02
  look
• 34:02
  at
• 34:02
  for
• 34:02
  each
• 34:03
  Campground.
• 34:03
  Is
• 34:04
  there
• 34:04
  a
• 34:04
  and
• 34:04
  just
• 34:04
  continuing
• 34:05
  down
• 34:05
  this
• 34:05
  path,
• 34:05
  not
• 34:05
  necessarily
• 34:06
  with
• 34:06
  national
• 34:06
  parks
• 34:06
  traveler,
• 34:07
  which
• 34:07
  is
• 34:07
  brainstorming
• 34:08
  here
• 34:08
  like
• 34:08
  Cara,
• 34:09
  is
• 34:09
  there
• 34:09
  an
• 34:09
  opportunity
• 34:10
  for
• 34:10
  RBD
• 34:10
  of
• 34:10
  Alberta
• 34:12
  to
• 34:12
  partner
• 34:13
  with
• 34:13
  somebody
• 34:13
  like
• 34:13
  national
• 34:14
  parks,
• 34:14
  traveler,
• 34:15
  or
• 34:15
  some
• 34:15
  other
• 34:15
  kind
• 34:16
  of
• 34:16
  publisher
• 34:16
  or
• 34:16
  whatever,
• 34:17
  to
• 34:17
  disseminate
• 34:17
  to
• 34:17
  dealers
• 34:18
  in
• 34:18
  specific
• 34:19
  regions?
• 34:19
  Like
• 34:19
  these
• 34:19
  are
• 34:19
  underserved
• 34:20
  areas
• 34:20
  of
• 34:21
  Alberta
• 34:21
  that
• 34:21
  you
• 34:21
  should
• 34:21
  maybe
• 34:22
  go
• 34:22
  check
• 34:22
  out
• 34:22
  or
• 34:22
  BC
• 34:24
  here
• 34:24
  are
• 34:24
  some
• 34:24
  private
• 34:24
  campgrounds
• 34:25
  around
• 34:25
  them.
• 34:26
  I
• 34:26
  will
• 34:26
  say
• 34:27
  the
• 34:27
  private
• 34:28
  Campground
• 34:28
  owners
• 34:28
  association
• 34:29
  of
• 34:29
  Alberta
• 34:29
  is
• 34:30
  already
• 34:31
  working
• 34:31
  closely
• 34:31
  with
• 34:31
  RBT
• 34:32
  of
• 34:32
  Alberta
• 34:32
  to
• 34:32
  do
• 34:33
  that.
• 34:33
  I
• 34:34
  have.
• 34:34
  Handing
• 34:34
  out
• 34:35
  literature
• 34:36
  and
• 34:36
  URLs
• 34:36
  and
• 34:36
  stuff
• 34:37
  to
• 34:37
  the
• 34:37
  dealers
• 34:37
  at
• 34:38
  RV
• 34:38
  D
• 34:38
  of
• 34:38
  Alberta
• 34:38
  all
• 34:38
  the
• 34:38
  time.
• 34:39
  we've
• 34:40
  started
• 34:40
  now
• 34:41
  connecting
• 34:42
  when
• 34:42
  I
• 34:42
  have
• 34:42
  Campground
• 34:43
  owners,
• 34:43
  members
• 34:44
  of
• 34:44
  the
• 34:44
  association.
• 34:45
  I've
• 34:45
  reached
• 34:46
  out
• 34:46
  to
• 34:46
  them
• 34:46
  and
• 34:46
  let
• 34:46
  them
• 34:46
  know
• 34:47
  that
• 34:47
  if
• 34:47
  they
• 34:47
  have
• 34:47
  availabilities
• 34:48
  that
• 34:48
  they're
• 34:48
  struggling
• 34:49
  to
• 34:49
  fill,
• 34:49
  whether
• 34:49
  it's
• 34:49
  seasonal
• 34:50
  or
• 34:50
  short
• 34:50
  term,
• 34:51
  if
• 34:51
  they
• 34:51
  send
• 34:52
  me
• 34:52
  that
• 34:52
  information
• 34:53
  I'm
• 34:53
  now
• 34:53
  disseminating
• 34:54
  that
• 34:54
  out
• 34:54
  to
• 34:54
  dealers
• 34:55
  as
• 34:55
  well.
• 34:55
  Typically
• 34:56
  around
• 34:56
  their
• 34:56
  region,
• 34:57
  but
• 34:57
  hopefully,
• 34:58
  I
• 34:58
  know
• 34:58
  we
• 34:58
  filled
• 34:59
  a
• 34:59
  couple
• 34:59
  seasonal
• 34:59
  sites
• 35:00
  that
• 35:00
  way
• 35:00
  this
• 35:00
  year
• 35:01
  in
• 35:01
  a
• 35:01
  couple
• 35:01
  of
• 35:01
  our
• 35:02
  member
• 35:02
  parks,
• 35:02
  which
• 35:02
  is
• 35:03
  great.
• 35:03
  I
• 35:03
  think
• 35:04
  sometimes
• 35:04
  that's
• 35:04
  a
• 35:04
  barrier
• 35:05
  to
• 35:05
  a
• 35:05
  sale
• 35:05
  is
• 35:06
  we'd
• 35:06
  love
• 35:06
  to
• 35:06
  get
• 35:06
  into
• 35:07
  the
• 35:07
  lifestyle,
• 35:07
  but
• 35:07
  we
• 35:07
  can't
• 35:08
  find
• 35:08
  a
• 35:08
  site.
• 35:08
  And
• 35:09
  so
• 35:09
  that's
• 35:09
  a
• 35:09
  great
• 35:09
  way
• 35:09
  for
• 35:10
  our
• 35:10
  organizations
• 35:11
  to
• 35:11
  partner
• 35:11
  and
• 35:11
  I
• 35:12
  think
• 35:12
  that's
• 35:12
  one
• 35:13
  of
• 35:13
  the
• 35:13
  biggest
• 35:13
  benefits
• 35:14
  to
• 35:14
  the
• 35:14
  type
• 35:14
  of
• 35:14
  partnership
• 35:15
  that
• 35:15
  P
• 35:15
  C
• 35:16
  O
• 35:16
  a
• 35:16
  has
• 35:16
  with
• 35:16
  RV
• 35:17
  D
• 35:17
  of
• 35:17
  Alberta.
• 35:17
  And
• 35:18
  hopefully
• 35:18
  that
• 35:18
  will
• 35:18
  just
• 35:19
  continue
• 35:19
  to
• 35:19
  grow
• 35:20
  and
• 35:20
  get
• 35:20
  more
• 35:20
  and
• 35:20
  more
• 35:21
  robust
• 35:21
  as
• 35:22
  we
• 35:22
  get
• 35:22
  more
• 35:22
  members
• 35:23
  and
• 35:23
  more
• 35:24
  active
• 35:24
  Campground
• 35:25
  participation.
• 35:27
  Yeah
• 35:27
  Brian,
• 35:28
  in
• 35:28
  a
• 35:28
  perfect
• 35:28
  world.
• 35:28
  And
• 35:29
  I
• 35:29
  can't
• 35:29
  believe
• 35:29
  after
• 35:30
  all
• 35:30
  these
• 35:30
  years,
• 35:31
  how
• 35:31
  long
• 35:32
  this
• 35:32
  industry's
• 35:32
  been
• 35:33
  around,
• 35:34
  but
• 35:34
  why
• 35:34
  can't
• 35:35
  we
• 35:35
  have
• 35:35
  a
• 35:36
  central
• 35:37
  site
• 35:37
  where
• 35:37
  to
• 35:37
  find
• 35:38
  availability,
• 35:39
  right
• 35:39
  now
• 35:39
  if
• 35:40
  you
• 35:40
  wanna
• 35:40
  find
• 35:40
  a
• 35:40
  site,
• 35:41
  you
• 35:41
  gotta
• 35:41
  call
• 35:42
  20
• 35:42
  or
• 35:42
  30
• 35:43
  individual
• 35:43
  campgrounds.
• 35:44
  And
• 35:45
  it's
• 35:45
  very
• 35:45
  frustrating.
• 35:46
  And
• 35:47
  I
• 35:47
  would
• 35:47
  love
• 35:47
  to
• 35:47
  see
• 35:48
  how
• 35:49
  somehow.
• 35:50
  The
• 35:50
  industry
• 35:50
  can
• 35:51
  get,
• 35:51
  a
• 35:51
  booking.com
• 35:52
  or
• 35:52
  something
• 35:52
  that
• 35:53
  can
• 35:53
  talk
• 35:53
  to
• 35:54
  everybody.
• 35:54
  And
• 35:55
  I
• 35:55
  want
• 35:55
  an
• 35:55
  availability
• 35:56
  near
• 35:56
  Subbury
• 35:57
  Ontario,
• 35:58
  and
• 35:58
  it
• 35:58
  gives
• 35:58
  me
• 35:59
  this
• 35:59
  park
• 35:59
  and
• 35:59
  this
• 35:59
  park,
• 36:00
  and
• 36:00
  somehow
• 36:01
  I'd
• 36:01
  love
• 36:01
  for
• 36:01
  us
• 36:02
  to
• 36:02
  get
• 36:02
  there.
• 36:02
  So
• 36:02
  the
• 36:02
  answer
• 36:03
  is
• 36:03
  we
• 36:03
  can,
• 36:04
  in
• 36:04
  certain
• 36:05
  instances,
• 36:05
  right?
• 36:05
  Like
• 36:06
  camp
• 36:06
  spot
• 36:06
  just
• 36:06
  release
• 36:07
  their
• 36:07
  API.
• 36:07
  Some
• 36:07
  of
• 36:07
  these
• 36:08
  other
• 36:08
  big
• 36:08
  reservation
• 36:09
  systems
• 36:09
  in
• 36:09
  Camping
• 36:10
  in
• 36:10
  the
• 36:10
  Camping
• 36:10
  industry
• 36:11
  have
• 36:11
  their
• 36:12
  own
• 36:12
  APIs
• 36:13
  that
• 36:13
  we
• 36:13
  can
• 36:14
  not,
• 36:14
  we,
• 36:14
  but
• 36:15
  someone
• 36:15
  could
• 36:16
  develop
• 36:16
  and
• 36:16
  aggregate
• 36:17
  to
• 36:17
  like
• 36:17
  camps
• 36:18
  spot,
• 36:18
  just
• 36:18
  partner
• 36:18
  with
• 36:19
  RPAs
• 36:19
  include
• 36:20
  their
• 36:20
  content
• 36:20
  on
• 36:20
  each
• 36:20
  other's
• 36:21
  sites,
• 36:21
  right?
• 36:22
  There
• 36:22
  are
• 36:22
  ways
• 36:22
  to
• 36:22
  do
• 36:23
  this.
• 36:23
  The
• 36:23
  problem
• 36:23
  is
• 36:23
  that
• 36:24
  it
• 36:24
  all
• 36:24
  takes
• 36:24
  time.
• 36:25
  It
• 36:25
  all
• 36:25
  takes
• 36:25
  money.
• 36:26
  And
• 36:26
  there
• 36:26
  are
• 36:26
  so
• 36:27
  many
• 36:27
  people
• 36:27
  who
• 36:27
  are
• 36:28
  trying
• 36:28
  to
• 36:28
  get
• 36:28
  into
• 36:29
  this
• 36:29
  space
• 36:30
  with
• 36:30
  their
• 36:30
  own
• 36:31
  marketplace
• 36:32
  and
• 36:32
  make
• 36:32
  a
• 36:33
  profit
• 36:33
  off
• 36:33
  of
• 36:33
  it
• 36:34
  that
• 36:34
  it's
• 36:34
  an
• 36:34
  uphill
• 36:35
  battle
• 36:35
  to
• 36:35
  create
• 36:36
  something
• 36:36
  that's
• 36:37
  altruistic
• 36:38
  and.
• 36:38
  Doesn't
• 36:39
  really
• 36:39
  want
• 36:39
  to
• 36:39
  play
• 36:40
  favorites
• 36:40
  or
• 36:40
  anything
• 36:41
  like
• 36:41
  that
• 36:41
  with
• 36:41
  one
• 36:41
  reservation
• 36:42
  system
• 36:42
  or
• 36:42
  another,
• 36:43
  or
• 36:43
  private
• 36:43
  parks
• 36:43
  versus
• 36:43
  public
• 36:44
  parks
• 36:44
  or
• 36:44
  whatever
• 36:45
  that
• 36:45
  you
• 36:45
  just
• 36:46
  are
• 36:46
  climbing
• 36:46
  this
• 36:46
  uphill
• 36:47
  battle
• 36:47
  against
• 36:47
  all
• 36:47
  these
• 36:48
  people
• 36:48
  who
• 36:48
  are
• 36:48
  throwing
• 36:48
  millions
• 36:49
  of
• 36:49
  dollars
• 36:49
  at
• 36:49
  advertising
• 36:50
  for
• 36:50
  their
• 36:50
  own
• 36:50
  site,
• 36:50
  we're
• 36:50
  all
• 36:51
  competing
• 36:51
  with
• 36:51
  each
• 36:51
  other.
• 36:52
  The
• 36:52
  biggest
• 36:53
  issue
• 36:54
  for
• 36:54
  me
• 36:54
  with
• 36:54
  that
• 36:54
  is
• 36:55
  it
• 36:55
  generates
• 36:56
  a
• 36:56
  significant
• 36:57
  amount
• 36:57
  of
• 36:58
  consumer
• 36:58
  disenchantment,
• 36:59
  where,
• 37:00
  I
• 37:00
  get
• 37:00
  emails
• 37:01
  and
• 37:01
  calls
• 37:02
  daily
• 37:03
  from
• 37:04
  campers,
• 37:04
  consumers
• 37:05
  who
• 37:05
  are
• 37:05
  like,
• 37:07
  I'm
• 37:07
  looking
• 37:07
  for
• 37:07
  site,
• 37:08
  I'm
• 37:08
  having
• 37:08
  a
• 37:08
  terrible
• 37:08
  time.
• 37:09
  I,
• 37:10
  can
• 37:10
  you
• 37:10
  give
• 37:11
  me
• 37:11
  any
• 37:12
  suggestions
• 37:13
  of
• 37:14
  this
• 37:14
  area?
• 37:14
  And
• 37:14
  then
• 37:15
  my
• 37:15
  answer
• 37:15
  always
• 37:16
  still
• 37:16
  has
• 37:16
  to
• 37:16
  be,
• 37:17
  you
• 37:17
  still
• 37:17
  have
• 37:18
  to
• 37:18
  get
• 37:18
  in
• 37:19
  touch
• 37:19
  with
• 37:19
  that
• 37:19
  park
• 37:19
  individually
• 37:20
  and
• 37:20
  find
• 37:21
  out
• 37:21
  about
• 37:21
  availability.
• 37:22
  And
• 37:23
  so
• 37:23
  I
• 37:23
  get
• 37:24
  that
• 37:24
  we're
• 37:24
  all
• 37:26
  struggling
• 37:26
  to
• 37:27
  maybe
• 37:27
  play
• 37:28
  nicely
• 37:28
  in
• 37:28
  the
• 37:28
  sandbox
• 37:29
  together,
• 37:30
  but
• 37:30
  I
• 37:31
  have
• 37:31
  concerns
• 37:31
  about
• 37:32
  the
• 37:32
  long-term
• 37:33
  impact
• 37:33
  of
• 37:34
  our
• 37:34
  consumers
• 37:35
  being
• 37:35
  I
• 37:35
  think
• 37:35
  it's
• 37:36
  creating
• 37:36
  this
• 37:36
  awareness
• 37:37
  issue
• 37:37
  or
• 37:38
  maybe
• 37:38
  not
• 37:38
  solely
• 37:39
  the
• 37:39
  re
• 37:39
  sole
• 37:40
  reason
• 37:40
  for
• 37:40
  it,
• 37:40
  but
• 37:40
  it's
• 37:41
  a
• 37:41
  significant
• 37:42
  reason
• 37:43
  for
• 37:43
  this
• 37:43
  awareness
• 37:44
  issue,
• 37:44
  because
• 37:46
  we
• 37:46
  don't
• 37:46
  have
• 37:47
  a
• 37:47
  tool
• 37:47
  like
• 37:47
  that
• 37:48
  available
• 37:48
  to,
• 37:49
  to
• 37:49
  keep
• 37:49
  as
• 37:49
  many
• 37:50
  campers
• 37:51
  Camping
• 37:51
  as
• 37:51
  we
• 37:51
  can,
• 37:52
  by
• 37:52
  filling
• 37:53
  every
• 37:53
  site.
• 37:53
  There
• 37:53
  is,
• 37:54
  we
• 37:54
  have
• 37:54
  a
• 37:54
  comment
• 37:54
  on
• 37:55
  Facebook.
• 37:55
  We
• 37:55
  just
• 37:55
  need
• 37:56
  more
• 37:56
  campgrounds,
• 37:56
  whether
• 37:56
  it
• 37:56
  be
• 37:57
  private
• 37:57
  or
• 37:57
  government
• 37:58
  here
• 37:58
  in
• 37:58
  Western
• 37:58
  Canada,
• 37:59
  most
• 37:59
  campgrounds
• 37:59
  are
• 38:00
  always
• 38:00
  full.
• 38:00
  I
• 38:00
  know
• 38:01
  of
• 38:01
  some
• 38:01
  campgrounds
• 38:02
  in
• 38:02
  Western
• 38:02
  Canada
• 38:03
  who
• 38:03
  have
• 38:03
  availability
• 38:04
  and
• 38:05
  there's
• 38:05
  smaller
• 38:05
  properties.
• 38:06
  They
• 38:06
  don't
• 38:06
  have
• 38:06
  the
• 38:07
  same
• 38:07
  type
• 38:07
  of
• 38:07
  budget
• 38:08
  or
• 38:08
  access
• 38:09
  to
• 38:09
  funds
• 38:09
  that
• 38:09
  that
• 38:09
  some
• 38:10
  of
• 38:10
  these
• 38:10
  other
• 38:10
  parks
• 38:10
  do.
• 38:11
  And
• 38:11
  how
• 38:11
  do
• 38:11
  you
• 38:12
  address
• 38:13
  those
• 38:13
  problems?
• 38:14
  It's
• 38:14
  a
• 38:14
  big,
• 38:16
  the
• 38:17
  big
• 38:17
  issue.
• 38:18
  The
• 38:18
  big
• 38:19
  Brian,
• 38:20
  Hey
• 38:20
  Brian.
• 38:20
  Yeah
• 38:20
  down
• 38:20
  here
• 38:21
  in
• 38:21
  the
• 38:21
  states,
• 38:21
  we've
• 38:21
  got
• 38:22
  a
• 38:22
  company
• 38:22
  that
• 38:22
  runs
• 38:22
  recreation.gov.
• 38:25
  I
• 38:25
  don't
• 38:25
  know
• 38:25
  if
• 38:25
  you're
• 38:25
  familiar
• 38:26
  with
• 38:26
  it
• 38:26
  at
• 38:26
  all,
• 38:26
  supposedly
• 38:27
  covers
• 38:28
  all
• 38:28
  the
• 38:28
  federal
• 38:28
  land,
• 38:29
  whether
• 38:29
  it's
• 38:29
  park
• 38:29
  service,
• 38:30
  forest
• 38:30
  service
• 38:30
  or
• 38:31
  BLM,
• 38:32
  and
• 38:33
  it's
• 38:33
  a
• 38:33
  nightmare
• 38:34
  because
• 38:35
  while
• 38:35
  it's
• 38:36
  supposed
• 38:36
  to
• 38:36
  level
• 38:37
  the
• 38:37
  playing
• 38:37
  field
• 38:38
  for
• 38:38
  everybody,
• 38:38
  if
• 38:38
  you
• 38:38
  don't
• 38:39
  have
• 38:39
  a
• 38:39
  fiber
• 38:39
  optic
• 38:40
  line
• 38:40
  into
• 38:40
  your
• 38:40
  computer,
• 38:41
  you're
• 38:41
  never
• 38:42
  gonna
• 38:42
  win.
• 38:42
  You're
• 38:43
  never
• 38:43
  gonna
• 38:43
  land
• 38:43
  a
• 38:43
  campsite.
• 38:44
  So
• 38:45
  I
• 38:45
  don't
• 38:45
  what
• 38:45
  the
• 38:45
  greater
• 38:46
  solution
• 38:46
  is,
• 38:46
  as
• 38:47
  opposed
• 38:47
  to
• 38:47
  maybe
• 38:47
  going
• 38:47
  to,
• 38:48
  to
• 38:48
  a
• 38:48
  lottery
• 38:48
  and
• 38:49
  even
• 38:49
  that's
• 38:49
  got
• 38:49
  problems,
• 38:50
  but
• 38:50
  is
• 38:51
  there
• 38:51
  something
• 38:51
  like
• 38:51
  that
• 38:51
  in
• 38:52
  Canada
• 38:52
  for
• 38:52
  the
• 38:52
  federal
• 38:53
  lands
• 38:53
  provincial
• 38:53
  lands?
• 38:55
  I
• 38:55
  think
• 38:55
  that's
• 38:56
  a
• 38:56
  better
• 38:56
  question.
• 38:56
  Parks,
• 38:56
  Canada,
• 38:57
  and
• 38:57
  then
• 38:57
  the
• 38:57
  individual
• 38:58
  provinces
• 38:58
  have
• 38:59
  their
• 38:59
  own
• 38:59
  sites.
• 39:00
  They
• 39:00
  don't,
• 39:01
  they
• 39:01
  aren't
• 39:01
  unified
• 39:02
  all
• 39:02
  in
• 39:02
  one
• 39:02
  place.
• 39:03
  But
• 39:04
  and
• 39:04
  I
• 39:04
  think
• 39:04
  that's
• 39:05
  can
• 39:05
  be
• 39:06
  a
• 39:06
  part
• 39:06
  of
• 39:06
  this
• 39:07
  problem
• 39:07
  too,
• 39:07
  is
• 39:08
  a
• 39:08
  lot
• 39:08
  of
• 39:08
  people
• 39:09
  don't
• 39:09
  know
• 39:09
  that
• 39:10
  B
• 39:10
  is
• 39:10
  a
• 39:10
  national
• 39:11
  park.
• 39:11
  And
• 39:12
  can
• 39:12
  I
• 39:12
  ask
• 39:13
  this
• 39:13
  as
• 39:13
  a
• 39:13
  provincial
• 39:13
  park?
• 39:14
  And
• 39:14
  so
• 39:16
  now
• 39:16
  you
• 39:16
  have
• 39:16
  to
• 39:16
  seek
• 39:17
  resources
• 39:18
  to,
• 39:18
  to
• 39:18
  visit
• 39:19
  those
• 39:19
  different
• 39:19
  places.
• 39:20
  And
• 39:20
  it
• 39:20
  does
• 39:20
  get
• 39:21
  very
• 39:21
  frustrating,
• 39:22
  especially
• 39:22
  when
• 39:23
  they
• 39:23
  book
• 39:23
  so
• 39:23
  far
• 39:23
  in
• 39:24
  advance
• 39:24
  that
• 39:25
  by
• 39:26
  the
• 39:26
  time
• 39:26
  you
• 39:27
  get
• 39:27
  that
• 39:27
  stuff
• 39:28
  sorted
• 39:28
  out,
• 39:28
  there's
• 39:28
  no
• 39:28
  sites
• 39:29
  left.
• 39:32
  Yeah.
• 39:33
  It's
• 39:33
  a
• 39:33
  challenge
• 39:33
  for
• 39:33
  sure.
• 39:34
  And
• 39:34
  I
• 39:34
  don't
• 39:34
  know
• 39:34
  what
• 39:34
  the
• 39:35
  answer
• 39:35
  is.
• 39:35
  Again,
• 39:36
  I
• 39:36
  think
• 39:36
  the
• 39:36
  only
• 39:36
  way
• 39:37
  it
• 39:37
  really
• 39:37
  honestly
• 39:38
  works
• 39:38
  is
• 39:39
  if
• 39:39
  some
• 39:39
  kind
• 39:39
  of
• 39:39
  non-profit
• 39:40
  who
• 39:40
  has
• 39:41
  no
• 39:41
  specific
• 39:42
  interest
• 39:42
  in
• 39:42
  one
• 39:43
  booking
• 39:43
  system
• 39:43
  over
• 39:43
  another
• 39:44
  or
• 39:44
  private
• 39:44
  versus
• 39:45
  per
• 39:45
  public,
• 39:46
  or
• 39:46
  just
• 39:46
  is
• 39:47
  an
• 39:47
  altruistic
• 39:47
  entity
• 39:48
  funds,
• 39:49
  something
• 39:49
  like
• 39:49
  this,
• 39:50
  but.
• 39:50
  Know
• 39:51
  where
• 39:51
  that
• 39:51
  comes
• 39:51
  from
• 39:51
  or
• 39:52
  how
• 39:52
  that
• 39:52
  works.
• 39:53
  Yeah.
• 39:54
  Honey,
• 39:54
  isn't
• 39:55
  gonna
• 39:55
  be
• 39:55
  cheap
• 39:56
  no,
• 39:56
  and
• 39:56
  again,
• 39:57
  it
• 39:57
  required,
• 39:57
  it
• 39:57
  also
• 39:58
  requires
• 39:58
  open
• 39:59
  access
• 39:59
  to
• 40:00
  basically
• 40:01
  APIs
• 40:02
  and
• 40:02
  some
• 40:03
  companies
• 40:03
  provide
• 40:04
  those.
• 40:04
  Some
• 40:04
  don't
• 40:04
  some
• 40:05
  provide
• 40:05
  certain
• 40:05
  information
• 40:06
  via
• 40:06
  them
• 40:06
  and
• 40:07
  the
• 40:07
  ability
• 40:07
  to
• 40:07
  book
• 40:07
  and
• 40:08
  some
• 40:08
  just
• 40:08
  provide
• 40:08
  the
• 40:09
  data
• 40:09
  and
• 40:09
  not
• 40:09
  the
• 40:10
  it's
• 40:10
  just
• 40:10
  a
• 40:10
  mess,
• 40:11
  Shane
• 40:11
  like
• 40:12
  you're
• 40:12
  right.
• 40:12
  Like
• 40:13
  it
• 40:13
  definitely
• 40:13
  needs
• 40:13
  solved,
• 40:15
  but
• 40:15
  there
• 40:15
  has
• 40:15
  to
• 40:15
  be
• 40:16
  a
• 40:16
  willingness
• 40:16
  among
• 40:16
  all
• 40:17
  these
• 40:17
  people
• 40:17
  that
• 40:17
  participate
• 40:18
  and
• 40:19
  to
• 40:19
  some
• 40:20
  participating
• 40:21
  in
• 40:21
  something
• 40:21
  like
• 40:21
  that
• 40:22
  cuts
• 40:23
  away
• 40:23
  the
• 40:23
  profit
• 40:24
  that
• 40:24
  their
• 40:25
  whole
• 40:25
  intention
• 40:26
  is.
• 40:26
  To
• 40:26
  make,
• 40:27
  which
• 40:27
  is
• 40:27
  fair.
• 40:27
  They
• 40:27
  have
• 40:28
  a
• 40:28
  right
• 40:28
  to
• 40:28
  make
• 40:28
  it.
• 40:29
  Yeah.
• 40:30
  And
• 40:30
  and
• 40:30
  I
• 40:31
  I
• 40:31
  echo
• 40:31
  Kara's
• 40:32
  sentiment
• 40:32
  about
• 40:33
  frustration
• 40:34
  from
• 40:34
  campers
• 40:34
  and
• 40:35
  it's
• 40:35
  something
• 40:35
  that
• 40:35
  we
• 40:35
  need
• 40:36
  to
• 40:36
  address
• 40:36
  as
• 40:36
  an
• 40:36
  industry.
• 40:37
  It's
• 40:37
  a
• 40:37
  lot,
• 40:38
  especially
• 40:38
  all
• 40:38
  these
• 40:38
  new
• 40:39
  one
• 40:39
  new
• 40:39
  people
• 40:39
  are
• 40:39
  getting
• 40:40
  into
• 40:40
  it.
• 40:40
  If
• 40:40
  they
• 40:40
  can't
• 40:41
  find
• 40:41
  a
• 40:41
  campsite
• 40:42
  they're
• 40:42
  gonna
• 40:43
  get
• 40:43
  out
• 40:43
  of
• 40:44
  this
• 40:44
  industry
• 40:44
  as
• 40:44
  quickly
• 40:45
  as
• 40:45
  they
• 40:45
  got
• 40:45
  in
• 40:45
  it.
• 40:45
  So
• 40:46
  I'm,
• 40:46
  I'm
• 40:46
  just
• 40:46
  thinking,
• 40:47
  we,
• 40:47
  we
• 40:47
  have
• 40:47
  to
• 40:47
  find,
• 40:48
  something,
• 40:49
  some
• 40:49
  sort
• 40:50
  of
• 40:50
  solution.
• 40:53
  Yeah.
• 40:54
  So
• 40:55
  I
• 40:55
  don't
• 40:55
  know.
• 40:55
  I'll
• 40:55
  look
• 40:55
  in,
• 40:56
  I'll
• 40:56
  look
• 40:56
  into
• 40:56
  it
• 40:56
  for
• 40:57
  just
• 40:57
  from
• 40:57
  a
• 40:57
  marketing
• 40:57
  standpoint,
• 40:58
  from
• 40:58
  an
• 40:58
  API
• 40:58
  perspective,
• 40:59
  because
• 40:59
  I
• 40:59
  need
• 40:59
  to
• 41:00
  know
• 41:00
  that
• 41:00
  for
• 41:00
  our
• 41:00
  clients
• 41:01
  who
• 41:01
  has
• 41:01
  it,
• 41:01
  who
• 41:01
  does
• 41:01
  what,
• 41:02
  who
• 41:02
  can
• 41:02
  do
• 41:02
  what?
• 41:02
  Just
• 41:03
  so
• 41:03
  we
• 41:03
  have
• 41:03
  the
• 41:03
  knowledge
• 41:03
  right.
• 41:04
  Of
• 41:04
  what
• 41:04
  companies
• 41:06
  could
• 41:06
  work,
• 41:07
  but
• 41:07
  I
• 41:07
  think
• 41:08
  it's
• 41:08
  gonna
• 41:08
  take
• 41:08
  some
• 41:09
  kind
• 41:09
  of
• 41:09
  an
• 41:09
  industry
• 41:10
  leader.
• 41:11
  Whether
• 41:11
  that's
• 41:11
  a
• 41:11
  Rover
• 41:12
  pass,
• 41:12
  whether
• 41:12
  that's
• 41:13
  a
• 41:13
  dirt,
• 41:13
  whether
• 41:13
  that's
• 41:13
  a
• 41:13
  camp
• 41:14
  spot
• 41:14
  marketplace,
• 41:15
  whether
• 41:15
  that's
• 41:15
  a
• 41:16
  hip
• 41:16
  camp
• 41:16
  or
• 41:17
  whatever.
• 41:17
  Recreation.gov.
• 41:18
  I
• 41:18
  think
• 41:18
  it's
• 41:18
  gonna
• 41:18
  just,
• 41:19
  I
• 41:19
  think
• 41:19
  it's
• 41:19
  gonna
• 41:19
  take
• 41:19
  somebody
• 41:20
  to
• 41:20
  say
• 41:20
  we
• 41:21
  can
• 41:21
  still
• 41:21
  make
• 41:21
  a
• 41:21
  profit
• 41:22
  while
• 41:22
  also
• 41:22
  helping.
• 41:24
  Yeah.
• 41:24
  I
• 41:24
  think,
• 41:24
  I
• 41:25
  wanna
• 41:25
  touch
• 41:26
  on
• 41:26
  the
• 41:26
  fact
• 41:26
  too,
• 41:26
  that
• 41:27
  there
• 41:28
  are
• 41:28
  so
• 41:28
  many
• 41:28
  players
• 41:28
  in
• 41:28
  the
• 41:29
  sandbox.
• 41:29
  It's
• 41:29
  not
• 41:29
  just
• 41:30
  our
• 41:30
  software
• 41:30
  companies.
• 41:32
  It,
• 41:32
  we
• 41:32
  also
• 41:33
  have,
• 41:34
  we
• 41:34
  have
• 41:34
  some
• 41:35
  private
• 41:35
  Campground
• 41:36
  owners
• 41:36
  who
• 41:36
  maybe
• 41:37
  don't
• 41:37
  want
• 41:37
  their
• 41:38
  park
• 41:38
  listed
• 41:39
  as
• 41:39
  a
• 41:39
  competitor
• 41:40
  to
• 41:41
  ban
• 41:41
  for
• 41:41
  national
• 41:41
  park
• 41:42
  on
• 41:42
  a
• 41:42
  site.
• 41:43
  And
• 41:43
  so
• 41:43
  they're
• 41:44
  going
• 41:44
  to
• 41:44
  communicate
• 41:45
  frustration
• 41:46
  to
• 41:46
  us
• 41:46
  about
• 41:47
  that.
• 41:47
  And
• 41:47
  there's
• 41:47
  just
• 41:48
  so
• 41:48
  many
• 41:49
  perspectives
• 41:50
  to
• 41:50
  manage
• 41:50
  to
• 41:51
  make
• 41:51
  it
• 41:51
  happen.
• 41:52
  And
• 41:52
  I
• 41:52
  think
• 41:53
  the
• 41:53
  big
• 41:53
  picture
• 41:54
  needs
• 41:54
  to
• 41:54
  remain
• 41:55
  the
• 41:55
  focus,
• 41:56
  this
• 41:57
  addressing
• 41:57
  this
• 41:57
  significant
• 41:58
  consumer
• 41:59
  need
• 41:59
  must
• 42:00
  remain
• 42:00
  the
• 42:00
  focus
• 42:01
  for
• 42:01
  it
• 42:01
  to
• 42:01
  ever
• 42:02
  come
• 42:02
  to.
• 42:02
  All
• 42:03
  good
• 42:03
  ideas.
• 42:04
  We
• 42:04
  just
• 42:04
  have
• 42:04
  to
• 42:04
  keep
• 42:04
  brainstorming
• 42:05
  with
• 42:05
  each
• 42:05
  other
• 42:05
  and
• 42:05
  moving
• 42:06
  forward.
• 42:06
  So
• 42:06
  I'm
• 42:06
  sure
• 42:07
  there's
• 42:07
  a
• 42:07
  way
• 42:07
  to
• 42:07
  solve
• 42:07
  it.
• 42:08
  We're
• 42:08
  all
• 42:09
  except
• 42:09
  for
• 42:09
  me
• 42:10
  smart
• 42:10
  here.
• 42:11
  We'll
• 42:11
  we'll
• 42:11
  keep
• 42:11
  pushing
• 42:11
  the
• 42:11
  conversation
• 42:12
  forward.
• 42:12
  It's
• 42:12
  all
• 42:12
  we
• 42:12
  can
• 42:13
  do.
• 42:13
  We've
• 42:13
  seen.
• 42:14
  And
• 42:14
  for
• 42:14
  those
• 42:14
  of
• 42:14
  you've
• 42:15
  been
• 42:15
  watching,
• 42:15
  we've
• 42:15
  seen
• 42:15
  Susan
• 42:15
  Carpenter
• 42:16
  pop
• 42:16
  in
• 42:16
  and
• 42:16
  out
• 42:16
  from
• 42:17
  the
• 42:17
  RV
• 42:17
  women's
• 42:17
  line.
• 42:17
  She's
• 42:17
  just
• 42:18
  having
• 42:18
  audio
• 42:18
  issues
• 42:18
  today.
• 42:19
  For
• 42:19
  some
• 42:19
  reason
• 42:20
  said
• 42:20
  her
• 42:20
  computer
• 42:20
  and
• 42:20
  stuff
• 42:21
  got
• 42:21
  upgraded.
• 42:21
  So
• 42:22
  she's
• 42:22
  got
• 42:22
  a
• 42:22
  lot
• 42:22
  of
• 42:22
  useful
• 42:23
  information
• 42:23
  that
• 42:23
  we
• 42:23
  were
• 42:23
  hoping
• 42:24
  to
• 42:24
  have
• 42:24
  her
• 42:25
  share
• 42:25
  with
• 42:25
  us
• 42:25
  today,
• 42:25
  but
• 42:25
  we'll
• 42:26
  have
• 42:26
  to
• 42:26
  hopefully
• 42:26
  get
• 42:27
  that
• 42:27
  from
• 42:27
  her
• 42:28
  a
• 42:28
  month
• 42:28
  from
• 42:28
  now
• 42:29
  in
• 42:29
  the
• 42:29
  next
• 42:29
  RV
• 42:29
  industry
• 42:30
  show
• 42:30
  that
• 42:30
  we
• 42:30
  have.
• 42:30
  But
• 42:31
  that's
• 42:31
  why
• 42:31
  she's
• 42:31
  been
• 42:31
  popping
• 42:32
  in
• 42:32
  and
• 42:32
  out
• 42:32
  here
• 42:32
  just
• 42:32
  in
• 42:32
  case
• 42:33
  you
• 42:33
  guys
• 42:33
  were
• 42:33
  curious,
• 42:34
  what
• 42:34
  else
• 42:34
  we
• 42:34
  have
• 42:35
  that's
• 42:35
  on
• 42:35
  come
• 42:36
  across
• 42:36
  your
• 42:36
  desks,
• 42:37
  Eleanor,
• 42:37
  Shane
• 42:38
  rich,
• 42:38
  anything
• 42:39
  Kurt
• 42:40
  anything
• 42:41
  fun?
• 42:43
  Yeah,
• 42:43
  I'm
• 42:43
  just
• 42:43
  kind,
• 42:43
  I'm
• 42:43
  just
• 42:44
  kind
• 42:44
  curious,
• 42:44
  Jeff
• 42:44
  mentioned
• 42:45
  the
• 42:45
  need
• 42:45
  to
• 42:45
  bring
• 42:46
  in
• 42:46
  more
• 42:46
  Campground
• 42:46
  across
• 42:47
  the
• 42:47
  countries
• 42:47
  whether
• 42:48
  it's
• 42:48
  private
• 42:48
  or
• 42:48
  government,
• 42:49
  what
• 42:49
  does
• 42:50
  it
• 42:50
  cost
• 42:50
  to
• 42:50
  launch
• 42:51
  a
• 42:51
  camp?
• 42:53
  He
• 42:54
  didn't
• 42:54
  find
• 42:54
  a
• 42:54
  land.
• 42:55
  That's
• 42:55
  a
• 42:55
  big,
• 42:56
  giant
• 42:56
  rabbit.
• 42:57
  Hole's
• 42:58
  so
• 42:58
  easy.
• 42:58
  Kurt
• 43:00
  Yeah.
• 43:00
  I
• 43:01
  couldn't
• 43:02
  cover
• 43:02
  it
• 43:02
  probably
• 43:03
  in
• 43:03
  10
• 43:03
  minutes.
• 43:03
  It's
• 43:03
  really
• 43:04
  dependent
• 43:04
  on
• 43:05
  a
• 43:05
  ton
• 43:05
  of
• 43:05
  variables.
• 43:06
  There's
• 43:06
  all
• 43:07
  kinds
• 43:07
  of
• 43:07
  regulatory
• 43:08
  limitation
• 43:09
  depends
• 43:09
  on
• 43:10
  obviously
• 43:10
  location
• 43:12
  and
• 43:12
  so
• 43:12
  many
• 43:13
  things.
• 43:13
  It's
• 43:13
  one
• 43:13
  of
• 43:14
  the
• 43:14
  most
• 43:14
  difficult
• 43:15
  questions
• 43:15
  to
• 43:15
  answer
• 43:16
  that
• 43:16
  I
• 43:16
  get
• 43:16
  often
• 43:17
  is
• 43:17
  like,
• 43:17
  how
• 43:18
  much
• 43:18
  does
• 43:18
  it
• 43:18
  cost
• 43:19
  to
• 43:19
  start
• 43:19
  a
• 43:19
  camera?
• 43:19
  I
• 43:20
  can't
• 43:20
  answer
• 43:21
  I
• 43:21
  need
• 43:22
  more
• 43:22
  details
• 43:23
  to
• 43:23
  answer
• 43:23
  it.
• 43:23
  How
• 43:23
  much
• 43:24
  money.
• 43:26
  Yeah,
• 43:26
  it's
• 43:26
  a
• 43:26
  lot.
• 43:28
  it's
• 43:28
  a
• 43:28
  lot,
• 43:29
  it's
• 43:29
  a
• 43:29
  lot.
• 43:29
  And
• 43:29
  I
• 43:30
  think
• 43:30
  we
• 43:30
  also
• 43:31
  have
• 43:31
  we
• 43:31
  have
• 43:31
  the
• 43:31
  problem
• 43:32
  is
• 43:32
  compounded
• 43:32
  because
• 43:33
  we
• 43:33
  have
• 43:33
  older
• 43:34
  Campground
• 43:35
  facing
• 43:35
  regulatory
• 43:36
  issue
• 43:37
  and
• 43:38
  limita
• 43:38
  new
• 43:39
  limitations
• 43:40
  on
• 43:40
  them
• 43:40
  and
• 43:41
  their
• 43:41
  operations.
• 43:42
  That's
• 43:42
  pushing
• 43:42
  them
• 43:43
  to
• 43:43
  either
• 43:43
  sell
• 43:44
  and
• 43:44
  not
• 43:44
  always,
• 43:45
  in
• 43:45
  a
• 43:45
  case
• 43:46
  where
• 43:46
  they'll
• 43:46
  remain
• 43:47
  a
• 43:47
  Campground
• 43:48
  or
• 43:48
  kind
• 43:48
  of
• 43:50
  walk
• 43:50
  away.
• 43:51
  And
• 43:51
  so
• 43:52
  you're
• 43:52
  losing
• 43:52
  sites
• 43:53
  on
• 43:53
  top
• 43:53
  of
• 43:54
  not
• 43:54
  being
• 43:54
  able
• 43:55
  to
• 43:55
  always
• 43:56
  develop
• 43:56
  new
• 43:56
  ones
• 43:57
  and
• 43:57
  it's
• 43:57
  a
• 43:57
  compounding
• 43:58
  problem.
• 43:58
  That
• 43:59
  is
• 43:59
  it's
• 43:59
  concerning,
• 44:00
  I
• 44:00
  think
• 44:00
  for
• 44:00
  sure.
• 44:04
  Yeah,
• 44:04
  I
• 44:04
  think
• 44:05
  just
• 44:05
  to,
• 44:05
  again,
• 44:05
  I
• 44:06
  have
• 44:06
  no
• 44:06
  development
• 44:06
  expertise
• 44:07
  in
• 44:07
  the
• 44:07
  industry
• 44:07
  cur,
• 44:07
  but
• 44:08
  to
• 44:08
  your
• 44:08
  it
• 44:08
  just
• 44:08
  depends
• 44:09
  on
• 44:09
  location
• 44:09
  and
• 44:09
  cost
• 44:10
  and
• 44:10
  materials
• 44:10
  and
• 44:10
  inflation
• 44:11
  and
• 44:11
  regulations
• 44:12
  and
• 44:13
  permitting,
• 44:13
  and
• 44:13
  so
• 44:14
  many
• 44:14
  different
• 44:14
  variables.
• 44:15
  How
• 44:15
  long
• 44:15
  it
• 44:15
  takes
• 44:16
  and
• 44:16
  how
• 44:16
  quick
• 44:16
  it
• 44:16
  is
• 44:16
  and
• 44:17
  that
• 44:17
  it's
• 44:18
  just,
• 44:19
  it
• 44:19
  requires
• 44:19
  some
• 44:20
  for
• 44:20
  sure
• 44:22
  commitment.
• 44:22
  And
• 44:22
  there's
• 44:23
  tons
• 44:23
  of
• 44:23
  issue
• 44:24
  with
• 44:24
  getting
• 44:24
  financing
• 44:25
  and
• 44:26
  various
• 44:27
  other
• 44:27
  hurdles
• 44:27
  in
• 44:28
  the
• 44:28
  way
• 44:28
  that,
• 44:28
  you
• 44:28
  don't
• 44:29
  necessarily
• 44:29
  have
• 44:29
  that
• 44:30
  chunk
• 44:30
  of
• 44:30
  change
• 44:30
  sitting
• 44:31
  around
• 44:32
  the
• 44:32
  whole
• 44:32
  process
• 44:33
  becomes
• 44:33
  a
• 44:33
  really
• 44:34
  so
• 44:34
  I
• 44:34
  was
• 44:34
  just
• 44:35
  looking
• 44:35
  that
• 44:35
  I
• 44:36
  knew
• 44:36
  I,
• 44:36
  I
• 44:36
  saw
• 44:37
  a
• 44:37
  slide
• 44:37
  somewhere,
• 44:37
  so
• 44:38
  I
• 44:38
  was
• 44:38
  in,
• 44:39
  in
• 44:40
  Elkhart
• 44:40
  at
• 44:40
  a
• 44:40
  breakfast.
• 44:41
  And
• 44:41
  according
• 44:41
  to
• 44:41
  Koa,
• 44:43
  adding
• 44:43
  a
• 44:44
  new
• 44:44
  build
• 44:44
  Campground
• 44:45
  is
• 44:45
  between
• 44:46
  45,000
• 44:47
  and
• 44:48
  5,000
• 44:49
  a
• 44:49
  site.
• 44:50
  And
• 44:50
  at
• 44:51
  yep.
• 44:52
  And
• 44:52
  adding
• 44:52
  sites
• 44:53
  to
• 44:53
  an
• 44:53
  existing
• 44:54
  Campground
• 44:55
  is
• 44:55
  between
• 44:55
  17
• 44:56
  and
• 44:56
  18,000
• 44:57
  a
• 44:57
  site.
• 44:58
  Yeah.
• 44:59
  Those
• 44:59
  seem
• 45:00
  like
• 45:00
  good
• 45:00
  assessments
• 45:01
  to
• 45:01
  me
• 45:01
  in
• 45:02
  my
• 45:02
  experience.
• 45:02
  I,
• 45:03
  the
• 45:03
  last
• 45:03
  Campground
• 45:03
  development
• 45:04
  I
• 45:04
  personally
• 45:05
  did
• 45:05
  was.
• 45:07
  Oh,
• 45:07
  my
• 45:07
  gosh,
• 45:07
  it
• 45:08
  was
• 45:08
  10
• 45:08
  years
• 45:08
  ago.
• 45:09
  And
• 45:09
  I
• 45:09
  added
• 45:09
  30
• 45:10
  sites
• 45:10
  and
• 45:10
  it
• 45:10
  cost
• 45:11
  me
• 45:11
  $150,000.
• 45:12
  So
• 45:13
  I
• 45:13
  think
• 45:14
  there's
• 45:14
  a
• 45:14
  lot
• 45:14
  of
• 45:14
  variables
• 45:15
  at
• 45:15
  play
• 45:15
  and
• 45:15
  that
• 45:15
  was
• 45:16
  10
• 45:16
  years
• 45:16
  ago.
• 45:16
  It's
• 45:16
  definitely
• 45:17
  more
• 45:17
  than
• 45:17
  that
• 45:17
  now,
• 45:17
  and
• 45:17
  it's
• 45:18
  the
• 45:18
  problem
• 45:18
  is,
• 45:19
  these
• 45:19
  communities
• 45:20
  and
• 45:20
  municipality
• 45:21
  and
• 45:21
  their
• 45:21
  councils
• 45:22
  don't
• 45:22
  see
• 45:23
  the
• 45:23
  benefit
• 45:23
  they
• 45:24
  they
• 45:24
  hear
• 45:24
  from
• 45:25
  homeowners
• 45:26
  who
• 45:27
  are
• 45:27
  arguing
• 45:28
  on
• 45:28
  one
• 45:28
  side.
• 45:29
  But
• 45:29
  they
• 45:29
  don't
• 45:29
  think
• 45:30
  about
• 45:30
  the
• 45:30
  economic
• 45:31
  impact
• 45:31
  of
• 45:31
  adding
• 45:32
  a
• 45:32
  new
• 45:32
  Campground
• 45:32
  in
• 45:32
  their
• 45:32
  community.
• 45:33
  And
• 45:33
  that's
• 45:33
  something
• 45:34
  that
• 45:34
  our
• 45:34
  industry
• 45:35
  has
• 45:35
  been
• 45:35
  trying
• 45:36
  to
• 45:37
  help
• 45:38
  with
• 45:38
  it,
• 45:38
  to
• 45:38
  give
• 45:38
  those
• 45:39
  figures
• 45:39
  because
• 45:40
  it
• 45:40
  is
• 45:40
  a
• 45:40
  significant
• 45:41
  footprint
• 45:42
  economically
• 45:43
  for
• 45:43
  any
• 45:44
  municipality
• 45:45
  adding
• 45:45
  a
• 45:45
  new
• 45:45
  Campground,
• 45:46
  they
• 45:46
  just
• 45:46
  can
• 45:47
  I.
• 45:48
  yeah.
• 45:48
  Sorry,
• 45:48
  go
• 45:48
  ahead.
• 45:48
  Finish
• 45:49
  your
• 45:49
  thought,
• 45:49
  Shane.
• 45:49
  Sorry.
• 45:50
  No,
• 45:50
  it's
• 45:50
  just,
• 45:50
  it's
• 45:51
  a
• 45:51
  it's
• 45:51
  it's
• 45:51
  an
• 45:52
  ongoing
• 45:52
  process
• 45:53
  to,
• 45:53
  to
• 45:53
  communicate
• 45:54
  that.
• 45:56
  Can
• 45:56
  I
• 45:56
  ask
• 45:57
  and
• 45:57
  maybe
• 45:57
  Carrie,
• 45:57
  the
• 45:58
  answer
• 45:58
  to
• 45:58
  this
• 45:58
  or
• 45:58
  Shane
• 45:59
  or
• 45:59
  anybody
• 45:59
  else,
• 45:59
  but
• 46:00
  of
• 46:00
  that
• 46:01
  45
• 46:02
  to
• 46:02
  $55,000
• 46:03
  per
• 46:04
  site,
• 46:05
  what
• 46:05
  is
• 46:05
  the
• 46:05
  biggest
• 46:06
  chunk
• 46:06
  of
• 46:06
  that
• 46:06
  cost?
• 46:07
  Is
• 46:07
  it
• 46:07
  materials?
• 46:08
  Is
• 46:08
  it
• 46:09
  concrete?
• 46:09
  Is
• 46:09
  it
• 46:09
  laying
• 46:10
  all
• 46:10
  the
• 46:10
  stuff
• 46:10
  underneath
• 46:11
  it?
• 46:12
  Yeah,
• 46:13
  for
• 46:13
  me
• 46:14
  personally,
• 46:14
  that
• 46:15
  was,
• 46:15
  it
• 46:15
  was
• 46:15
  excavation
• 46:16
  cost.
• 46:17
  It
• 46:17
  was
• 46:17
  machine
• 46:18
  rental,
• 46:19
  it
• 46:19
  was
• 46:19
  labor.
• 46:20
  But
• 46:20
  certainly,
• 46:20
  electrical
• 46:21
  components,
• 46:21
  pedestals.
• 46:23
  I
• 46:23
  had
• 46:23
  to
• 46:23
  add
• 46:24
  power
• 46:24
  transformer,
• 46:25
  all
• 46:25
  of
• 46:25
  the
• 46:25
  water
• 46:26
  infrastructure.
• 46:27
  That
• 46:27
  stuff
• 46:27
  adds
• 46:28
  up
• 46:28
  real
• 46:28
  quick,
• 46:28
  but
• 46:29
  top
• 46:29
  cost
• 46:29
  for
• 46:30
  sure
• 46:30
  was
• 46:30
  excavation
• 46:32
  and
• 46:32
  labor.
• 46:33
  And
• 46:33
  I'll
• 46:33
  bet
• 46:33
  you
• 46:34
  there,
• 46:34
  including
• 46:34
  all
• 46:35
  the,
• 46:35
  before
• 46:36
  you
• 46:36
  even
• 46:36
  put
• 46:37
  a
• 46:37
  shovel
• 46:37
  in
• 46:37
  the
• 46:37
  ground
• 46:38
  costs,
• 46:39
  you
• 46:39
  need
• 46:39
  Moe
• 46:40
  studies,
• 46:40
  the
• 46:40
  permits,
• 46:41
  the
• 46:41
  lawyers.
• 46:43
  Yeah.
• 46:43
  All
• 46:43
  that
• 46:43
  stuff.
• 46:44
  Yes.
• 46:45
  That
• 46:46
  averaged
• 46:46
  over
• 46:46
  the
• 46:46
  cost
• 46:47
  of
• 46:47
  the
• 46:47
  offices,
• 46:48
  the
• 46:49
  shower
• 46:49
  houses
• 46:49
  and
• 46:50
  all
• 46:50
  that.
• 46:50
  I
• 46:50
  was
• 46:50
  at
• 46:50
  that
• 46:50
  same
• 46:51
  power
• 46:51
  breakfast,
• 46:51
  and
• 46:52
  I
• 46:52
  thought
• 46:52
  55,000
• 46:54
  sounded
• 46:54
  high.
• 46:55
  But
• 46:55
  when
• 46:55
  you
• 46:56
  averaged
• 46:56
  in
• 46:56
  everything,
• 46:57
  that's
• 46:57
  at
• 46:57
  that
• 46:57
  park
• 46:58
  over
• 46:58
  overall,
• 46:59
  the
• 46:59
  spots
• 46:59
  that's
• 46:59
  about
• 47:00
  what
• 47:00
  it
• 47:00
  was.
• 47:01
  I
• 47:01
  think
• 47:01
  they
• 47:01
  may
• 47:01
  even
• 47:02
  included,
• 47:02
  like
• 47:02
  it
• 47:02
  might
• 47:03
  be
• 47:03
  on
• 47:03
  an
• 47:03
  average
• 47:03
  of
• 47:03
  a
• 47:04
  75
• 47:05
  or
• 47:05
  a
• 47:05
  hundred
• 47:05
  spot
• 47:06
  Campground.
• 47:06
  I
• 47:06
  can't
• 47:07
  recall.
• 47:07
  But
• 47:07
  they
• 47:08
  talked
• 47:08
  a
• 47:08
  lot
• 47:08
  about
• 47:08
  the
• 47:08
  shortages
• 47:09
  because
• 47:09
  you've
• 47:09
  got
• 47:09
  so
• 47:10
  many
• 47:10
  new
• 47:10
  campers
• 47:10
  that
• 47:10
  came
• 47:11
  into
• 47:11
  this
• 47:11
  when
• 47:11
  they
• 47:11
  couldn't
• 47:12
  travel
• 47:12
  and
• 47:12
  go
• 47:12
  to
• 47:13
  hotels
• 47:14
  and
• 47:14
  fly
• 47:14
  people
• 47:15
  still
• 47:15
  were
• 47:15
  going
• 47:15
  to
• 47:15
  recreate
• 47:16
  and
• 47:16
  they
• 47:16
  needed
• 47:17
  to
• 47:17
  do
• 47:17
  it
• 47:17
  where
• 47:18
  they
• 47:18
  felt
• 47:18
  safe
• 47:19
  with
• 47:19
  just
• 47:19
  their
• 47:19
  own
• 47:19
  family.
• 47:20
  So
• 47:20
  Camping
• 47:21
  was
• 47:21
  one
• 47:21
  of
• 47:21
  the.
• 47:22
  The
• 47:23
  quick
• 47:23
  things
• 47:23
  that
• 47:23
  people
• 47:24
  thought
• 47:24
  about.
• 47:24
  You
• 47:24
  couldn't
• 47:25
  buy
• 47:25
  a
• 47:25
  camper
• 47:26
  for
• 47:26
  a
• 47:26
  while.
• 47:26
  You
• 47:26
  couldn't
• 47:27
  get
• 47:27
  a
• 47:27
  kayak
• 47:27
  or
• 47:27
  a
• 47:27
  bicycle,
• 47:29
  everything
• 47:29
  was
• 47:29
  sold
• 47:30
  out
• 47:30
  that
• 47:30
  you
• 47:30
  might
• 47:31
  possibly
• 47:31
  do
• 47:31
  during
• 47:32
  a
• 47:32
  pandemic
• 47:32
  when
• 47:33
  you
• 47:33
  had
• 47:33
  to
• 47:33
  stick
• 47:33
  around
• 47:34
  your
• 47:34
  family
• 47:34
  only.
• 47:35
  And
• 47:35
  when
• 47:36
  you
• 47:36
  bring
• 47:36
  in
• 47:36
  all
• 47:36
  these
• 47:37
  new
• 47:37
  owners,
• 47:37
  they
• 47:37
  need
• 47:38
  places
• 47:38
  to
• 47:38
  go.
• 47:39
  At
• 47:39
  least
• 47:40
  until
• 47:40
  they
• 47:40
  figure
• 47:40
  out
• 47:41
  where
• 47:41
  they
• 47:42
  can
• 47:42
  go,
• 47:42
  that's
• 47:42
  not
• 47:43
  crowded.
• 47:44
  But
• 47:44
  we
• 47:44
  discovered
• 47:45
  that
• 47:45
  same
• 47:45
  thing
• 47:45
  you
• 47:45
  were
• 47:45
  saying
• 47:46
  earlier,
• 47:46
  it's
• 47:47
  you
• 47:47
  call?
• 47:48
  And
• 47:49
  they
• 47:49
  might
• 47:49
  tell
• 47:50
  you,
• 47:50
  we
• 47:50
  only
• 47:50
  have
• 47:50
  two
• 47:50
  weekends
• 47:51
  this
• 47:51
  year
• 47:51
  left
• 47:52
  where
• 47:52
  you
• 47:52
  can
• 47:52
  fit
• 47:52
  yourself
• 47:53
  in.
• 47:54
  And
• 47:54
  we
• 47:54
  were
• 47:54
  going
• 47:55
  with
• 47:55
  a
• 47:55
  group
• 47:55
  of
• 47:55
  people.
• 47:55
  So
• 47:55
  it
• 47:56
  was
• 47:56
  even
• 47:56
  tougher
• 47:56
  to
• 47:56
  find
• 47:57
  campgrounds
• 47:57
  that
• 47:57
  were,
• 47:58
  spots
• 47:58
  next
• 47:58
  to
• 47:58
  each
• 47:59
  other,
• 47:59
  which
• 47:59
  we
• 47:59
  were
• 47:59
  fortunate
• 48:00
  to
• 48:00
  do.
• 48:00
  But
• 48:01
  it's,
• 48:01
  it
• 48:01
  is
• 48:01
  probably
• 48:02
  one
• 48:02
  of
• 48:02
  the
• 48:02
  biggest
• 48:02
  things
• 48:03
  because
• 48:03
  when
• 48:03
  you
• 48:04
  go
• 48:04
  by
• 48:04
  a
• 48:04
  big
• 48:05
  camper
• 48:05
  a
• 48:05
  travel
• 48:06
  trailer
• 48:06
  or
• 48:06
  fifth
• 48:06
  wheel,
• 48:07
  and
• 48:07
  you
• 48:07
  can't
• 48:07
  find
• 48:07
  a
• 48:08
  place
• 48:08
  to
• 48:08
  use
• 48:08
  it
• 48:08
  other
• 48:09
  than
• 48:09
  a
• 48:09
  Walmart
• 48:09
  parking
• 48:10
  lot,
• 48:10
  you're
• 48:10
  not
• 48:10
  gonna
• 48:10
  keep
• 48:11
  it
• 48:11
  very
• 48:11
  long.
• 48:12
  Yeah.
• 48:12
  When
• 48:12
  you
• 48:12
  buy
• 48:12
  a
• 48:13
  small
• 48:13
  camper
• 48:13
  like
• 48:13
  mine,
• 48:14
  if
• 48:14
  you
• 48:14
  can't
• 48:14
  get
• 48:14
  in,
• 48:15
  you'll
• 48:16
  probably
• 48:16
  find
• 48:16
  another
• 48:16
  place
• 48:17
  to
• 48:17
  go
• 48:17
  and
• 48:18
  you
• 48:18
  can
• 48:18
  use
• 48:19
  it
• 48:19
  still.
• 48:19
  So
• 48:20
  again,
• 48:20
  another
• 48:20
  little
• 48:20
  benefit
• 48:21
  of
• 48:21
  small
• 48:21
  campers
• 48:22
  and
• 48:22
  these
• 48:22
  Overland
• 48:23
  style
• 48:23
  Camping
• 48:23
  is
• 48:24
  they
• 48:24
  can
• 48:24
  go
• 48:24
  almost
• 48:25
  anywhere.
• 48:25
  But
• 48:26
  there's
• 48:26
  definitely
• 48:27
  a,
• 48:28
  I
• 48:28
  don't
• 48:28
  know
• 48:28
  if
• 48:28
  I
• 48:29
  wanna
• 48:29
  use
• 48:29
  the
• 48:29
  word,
• 48:29
  a
• 48:29
  loss
• 48:30
  of
• 48:30
  interest
• 48:30
  by
• 48:30
  people
• 48:31
  to
• 48:31
  put
• 48:31
  up
• 48:31
  campgrounds
• 48:32
  be
• 48:32
  because
• 48:33
  they
• 48:33
  typically
• 48:34
  are,
• 48:34
  you
• 48:35
  don't
• 48:35
  make
• 48:35
  a
• 48:35
  ton
• 48:35
  of
• 48:35
  money.
• 48:36
  It
• 48:36
  can
• 48:36
  be
• 48:37
  good
• 48:37
  stable
• 48:37
  money
• 48:37
  particularly
• 48:38
  right
• 48:38
  now,
• 48:38
  but
• 48:39
  it's
• 48:39
  a
• 48:39
  big
• 48:39
  commitment.
• 48:40
  Just
• 48:40
  if
• 48:40
  you
• 48:40
  owned
• 48:40
  a
• 48:40
  bed
• 48:41
  and
• 48:41
  breakfast
• 48:41
  you
• 48:41
  need
• 48:42
  to
• 48:42
  be
• 48:42
  there
• 48:42
  and
• 48:43
  you're
• 48:43
  committing
• 48:43
  your
• 48:43
  weekends.
• 48:44
  And
• 48:44
  oftentimes
• 48:45
  you're
• 48:45
  weeks
• 48:45
  to
• 48:46
  being
• 48:46
  there,
• 48:46
  to
• 48:46
  be
• 48:46
  able
• 48:47
  to
• 48:47
  take
• 48:47
  care
• 48:47
  of
• 48:47
  your
• 48:48
  guests
• 48:48
  that
• 48:48
  are
• 48:48
  there.
• 48:49
  And
• 48:50
  that,
• 48:50
  that
• 48:50
  makes
• 48:50
  it
• 48:51
  a
• 48:51
  challenge
• 48:51
  for,
• 48:52
  to
• 48:52
  find
• 48:52
  people
• 48:53
  that
• 48:53
  would
• 48:53
  be
• 48:53
  interested
• 48:53
  in
• 48:54
  doing
• 48:54
  those
• 48:54
  types
• 48:55
  of
• 48:55
  opening
• 48:55
  those
• 48:56
  types
• 48:56
  of
• 48:56
  businesses.
• 48:57
  and
• 48:57
  only
• 48:58
  thank
• 48:59
  for
• 48:59
  organizations
• 49:00
  like
• 49:00
  KWA
• 49:00
  that
• 49:01
  promote
• 49:01
  that
• 49:01
  type
• 49:01
  of
• 49:01
  stuff
• 49:02
  and
• 49:02
  help
• 49:02
  people
• 49:02
  find
• 49:03
  ways
• 49:03
  to
• 49:03
  afford
• 49:04
  to
• 49:04
  open
• 49:04
  up
• 49:04
  a
• 49:04
  Campground
• 49:05
  or
• 49:05
  help
• 49:05
  them
• 49:06
  to
• 49:06
  get
• 49:06
  started
• 49:07
  to
• 49:07
  do
• 49:07
  it.
• 49:07
  Yeah,
• 49:08
  no,
• 49:08
  I
• 49:08
  agree.
• 49:09
  Especially
• 49:09
  in
• 49:09
  an
• 49:09
  environment
• 49:10
  where
• 49:10
  it's
• 49:10
  so
• 49:11
  costly,
• 49:11
  it's
• 49:11
  so
• 49:12
  expensive.
• 49:12
  It's
• 49:13
  very
• 49:13
  difficult
• 49:13
  to
• 49:13
  get
• 49:14
  financing.
• 49:15
  It's
• 49:15
  big
• 49:15
  undertaking.
• 49:16
  It's
• 49:16
  it's
• 49:16
  definitely
• 49:17
  a
• 49:17
  lifestyle
• 49:17
  that
• 49:18
  not
• 49:18
  everyone's
• 49:19
  capable
• 49:19
  of
• 49:20
  well
• 49:20
  and
• 49:20
  financing
• 49:21
  is
• 49:21
  getting
• 49:21
  harder.
• 49:21
  Not
• 49:22
  harder,
• 49:22
  but
• 49:22
  more
• 49:22
  expensive
• 49:23
  now.
• 49:23
  So
• 49:24
  it's
• 49:24
  so
• 49:24
  expensive
• 49:24
  right
• 49:24
  now.
• 49:25
  It
• 49:25
  is
• 49:25
  yeah.
• 49:27
  Money
• 49:27
  used
• 49:27
  to
• 49:28
  feel
• 49:28
  pretty
• 49:28
  free
• 49:29
  and
• 49:29
  it's
• 49:29
  not
• 49:29
  anymore,
• 49:30
  to
• 49:30
  borrow
• 49:30
  it.
• 49:31
  It's
• 49:31
  it's
• 49:31
  escalating.
• 49:32
  It'll
• 49:32
  probably
• 49:32
  continue
• 49:33
  to
• 49:33
  for
• 49:33
  a
• 49:33
  little
• 49:33
  while
• 49:34
  here.
• 49:35
  Yeah.
• 49:35
  Agreed.
• 49:36
  We
• 49:36
  just
• 49:36
  need
• 49:37
  an
• 49:37
  army
• 49:37
  of
• 49:37
  six
• 49:38
  year
• 49:38
  olds
• 49:38
  with
• 49:39
  little
• 49:39
  bulldozer
• 49:40
  toys
• 49:41
  toe
• 49:41
  and
• 49:41
  save
• 49:41
  some
• 49:41
  costs
• 49:42
  for
• 49:42
  people.
• 49:43
  yeah.
• 49:43
  We
• 49:43
  can
• 49:43
  think
• 49:43
  of
• 49:44
  all
• 49:44
  kinds
• 49:44
  of
• 49:44
  creative
• 49:44
  ways
• 49:45
  to
• 49:45
  save
• 49:45
  expansion.
• 49:47
  I
• 49:47
  probably
• 49:47
  shouldn't
• 49:48
  say
• 49:48
  this
• 49:48
  live
• 49:49
  on
• 49:49
  a
• 49:49
  podcast,
• 49:49
  but
• 49:50
  my
• 49:50
  son
• 49:51
  just
• 49:51
  learned
• 49:51
  how
• 49:51
  to
• 49:52
  operate
• 49:52
  the
• 49:52
  excavator
• 49:53
  and
• 49:53
  is
• 49:53
  gonna
• 49:54
  be
• 49:54
  put
• 49:54
  to
• 49:54
  work
• 49:55
  on
• 49:55
  his
• 49:55
  dad's
• 49:56
  Campground
• 49:56
  here
• 49:57
  too.
• 49:57
  So
• 49:58
  some
• 49:58
  there's
• 49:59
  some
• 49:59
  innovators
• 50:00
  out
• 50:00
  there
• 50:00
  copying
• 50:00
  your
• 50:01
  ideas,
• 50:01
  Brian
• 50:01
  Is
• 50:01
  that
• 50:01
  a
• 50:02
  real
• 50:02
  excavator
• 50:02
  or
• 50:03
  is
• 50:03
  that
• 50:03
  one
• 50:03
  of
• 50:03
  the
• 50:03
  toy
• 50:03
  ones
• 50:04
  that
• 50:04
  no,
• 50:05
  a
• 50:05
  real
• 50:05
  one.
• 50:06
  One?
• 50:06
  Yeah.
• 50:07
  I'm
• 50:07
  I
• 50:07
  feel
• 50:08
  great
• 50:08
  about
• 50:08
  it.
• 50:08
  I
• 50:08
  would've
• 50:08
  been
• 50:09
  all
• 50:09
  over
• 50:09
  that
• 50:09
  when
• 50:09
  I
• 50:09
  was
• 50:10
  a
• 50:10
  kid.
• 50:10
  Like
• 50:10
  I
• 50:10
  just
• 50:10
  cuz
• 50:11
  that's
• 50:11
  how
• 50:11
  we
• 50:11
  were.
• 50:11
  I
• 50:11
  was
• 50:12
  entertained
• 50:12
  when
• 50:12
  I
• 50:12
  was
• 50:12
  a
• 50:12
  kid.
• 50:13
  I
• 50:13
  didn't
• 50:13
  have
• 50:13
  all
• 50:13
  the
• 50:13
  electronic
• 50:14
  stuff.
• 50:14
  They
• 50:14
  just
• 50:15
  said
• 50:15
  go
• 50:15
  out
• 50:15
  into
• 50:16
  the
• 50:16
  backyard
• 50:16
  and
• 50:16
  dig
• 50:16
  a
• 50:16
  hole.
• 50:17
  I
• 50:18
  was
• 50:18
  thrilled.
• 50:19
  So
• 50:20
  he's
• 50:20
  digging
• 50:20
  holes.
• 50:21
  Oof.
• 50:21
  Yeah,
• 50:22
  we
• 50:22
  just
• 50:22
  gotta
• 50:22
  get
• 50:23
  the
• 50:23
  kids
• 50:23
  back.
• 50:23
  Interested
• 50:24
  in
• 50:24
  digging
• 50:24
  holes.
• 50:25
  I
• 50:25
  feel
• 50:26
  like
• 50:26
  there's
• 50:26
  probably
• 50:26
  a
• 50:26
  regulation
• 50:27
  or
• 50:27
  something
• 50:27
  that
• 50:27
  stops
• 50:28
  us
• 50:28
  from
• 50:28
  really
• 50:28
  doing
• 50:29
  that.
• 50:29
  But
• 50:29
  I
• 50:29
  was
• 50:29
  just
• 50:29
  gonna
• 50:30
  say,
• 50:30
  yeah,
• 50:32
  not
• 50:33
  safety
• 50:33
  compliance
• 50:34
  related
• 50:35
  Ky
• 50:35
  regulations
• 50:36
  are
• 50:36
  always
• 50:37
  getting
• 50:37
  in
• 50:37
  the
• 50:37
  way,
• 50:37
  but,
• 50:38
  okay.
• 50:38
  Any
• 50:38
  final
• 50:39
  thoughts
• 50:39
  that
• 50:39
  we
• 50:39
  have
• 50:39
  here
• 50:40
  before
• 50:40
  we
• 50:40
  wrap
• 50:40
  up
• 50:40
  the
• 50:40
  show?
• 50:42
  No,
• 50:43
  it
• 50:43
  was
• 50:43
  a
• 50:43
  great
• 50:43
  show.
• 50:43
  I
• 50:43
  appreciate
• 50:44
  the
• 50:44
  invite
• 50:44
  again,
• 50:44
  Brian.
• 50:45
  Yeah,
• 50:45
  it's
• 50:46
  awesome.
• 50:46
  Yeah.
• 50:46
  Thank
• 50:46
  you
• 50:47
  very
• 50:47
  much
• 50:47
  for
• 50:47
  having
• 50:47
  us.
• 50:48
  Thanks
• 50:49
  for
• 50:49
  joining.
• 50:49
  Thank
• 50:49
  you
• 50:50
  guys.
• 50:50
  I
• 50:50
  really
• 50:50
  appreciate
• 50:51
  you
• 50:51
  joining
• 50:51
  us
• 50:51
  for
• 50:52
  another
• 50:52
  episode
• 50:52
  of
• 50:52
  MC
• 50:53
  Fireside
• 50:53
  Chats.
• 50:53
  Next
• 50:54
  week
• 50:54
  is
• 50:54
  the
• 50:55
  first
• 50:55
  week
• 50:56
  of
• 50:56
  the
• 50:56
  August
• 50:57
  month.
• 50:58
  And
• 50:58
  so
• 50:58
  we're
• 50:58
  gonna
• 50:58
  have
• 50:58
  an
• 50:58
  open
• 50:59
  discussion
• 50:59
  here
• 50:59
  with
• 51:00
  a
• 51:00
  few
• 51:00
  of
• 51:00
  our
• 51:00
  regular
• 51:01
  recurring
• 51:01
  guests
• 51:01
  looking
• 51:01
  forward
• 51:02
  to
• 51:02
  that.
• 51:02
  Always
• 51:02
  don't
• 51:03
  know
• 51:03
  what
• 51:03
  we're
• 51:03
  gonna
• 51:03
  talk
• 51:03
  about
• 51:04
  until
• 51:04
  we
• 51:04
  show
• 51:04
  until
• 51:05
  we
• 51:05
  start
• 51:05
  the
• 51:05
  show,
• 51:05
  but
• 51:05
  I'm
• 51:05
  sure
• 51:06
  it
• 51:06
  will
• 51:06
  be
• 51:06
  interesting.
• 51:06
  So
• 51:07
  excited
• 51:07
  to
• 51:07
  have
• 51:08
  all
• 51:08
  those
• 51:08
  guys
• 51:08
  back
• 51:09
  with
• 51:09
  us.
• 51:09
  We
• 51:09
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• 51:11
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  camp
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• 51:25
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• 51:26
  anything
• 51:27
  like
• 51:27
  that,
• 51:27
  as
• 51:27
  a
• 51:27
  reminder,
• 51:28
  we
• 51:28
  are
• 51:28
  available
• 51:28
  on
• 51:29
  MC
• 51:29
  Fireside
• 51:30
  Chats
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• 51:32
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• 51:32
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• 51:32
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• 51:33
  later,
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  apple,
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  all
• 51:34
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• 51:35
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• 51:35
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• 51:35
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  really
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  everybody
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  joining
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• 51:38
  we
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• 51:38
  see
• 51:38
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• 51:38
  all
• 51:39
  next
• 51:39
  week.
• 51:41
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• 51:41
  everyone.
• 51:42
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• 51:42
  you.
• 51:43
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• 51:43
  you.