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Talks to the gorgeous Pete Lambert about his choice of The Empty Child (1/2) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt, penknife the Doctor, Who commentaries
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  podcasts. I'm feet.
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  What should I do? You know how many plural, when
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  you're here? It's gonna catch on sooner or
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  later. Everyone else is also going to
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  realize that you've done more than one bloody commentary.
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  So is what should be, you know, how many of these have gone out
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  now? Give us time, just wave done
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  some episodes 5 6 times now because I just think Step aside.
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  That's me. Talking a lot of bullshit.
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  I'll tell you. That's a lot of opinions.
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  Hey, hi. How you doing?
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  No. I'm very well.
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  Thank you. It's been a little while since
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  we did our stones of blood commentary it has.
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  Yeah. And we've kind of run out of
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  spooky. Ladies in woods, there are no,
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  it sounds like to be honest. That's what I watched on TV
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  phone. No, it's nicely went well.
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  We've done all the gothic one, then we take them all.
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  Hmm, Stevens stated the kk9 companies blood and often 55,
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  which is also Gothic insane way. And just fabulous do, I seem
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  more and more Pious about that one in the affirmative.
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  Now - yeah, I think it's slowly. It happens you way it once.
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  It was the shock of something so completely left field that got
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  people. But that's why I asked you the
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  question. Don't ask you.
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  Did you not power the doctor? Yeah.
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  Yeah. Like to call it up quite a lot,
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  didn't completely. But, yeah, I'll be like, yeah.
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  Okay. With a few caveats.
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  Yeah, you know, but not like, I've been telling people for
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  years, of course, she threw the pocket.
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  Watch down the thing at the end of flags.
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  It's bound to come back in the finale, and we're bound to get
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  an expert a bit more detail. On do Martin's doctor as I know.
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  I don't give a shit. Okay, fair enough.
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  But we did get Sacha to are looking super hot in this vessel
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  McCoy's jumper. So and of course, obviously
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  Sophie, and Janet just estimating that I'll press on my
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  buttons. You know what, I thought he was
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  going to try and redeem Tegan and the fact that she was a
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  grumpy bitch throughout the entire thing.
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  I was like yes this is exactly how she would get off me.
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  Yeah, yeah, okay. Well today, look, we're here to
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  talk about a what I A lot of people would consider a classic
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  the empty child and the doctor dolls is the last time, the
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  Doctor Who magazine did a big pole?
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  I think it pole somewhere in like the top 20 I think maybe
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  even the top 10. You just tell me before we
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  started recording that you're full of facts and you've got
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  them all completely memorized and the first fact she's like
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  I'm looking, I'm looking to you for confirmation but I don't
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  know. The person I want to be a
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  popular story. Is a popular story.
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  Is this is that I know you are a little bit ambivalent when it
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  comes to Steven Moffat, as a showrunner of Doctor Who and
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  that has been discussed elsewhere in the trial of Steven
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  Moffat over in the The 91 be praised for you did a fabulous.
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  XO for that, however, this is Steven Moffat, right at the
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  beginning of his Doctor Who Korea.
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  The are believing that you, you quite like?
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  What do you mean? The rusty Davis time?
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  Yeah, yeah. Going back.
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  This is so to 3rd May 2005 the for a period of several days
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  Steven Moffat is my favorite Doctor.
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  Who ride forever. He's because of this story.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's just so refreshing.
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  And I mean yeah, it's because we're on the verge of another.
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  It's so cool. Going back.
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  This is the first time. I've done a Russell T, Davies
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  episode every episode with, you know.
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  Yeah. And it's so cool.
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  Going back and looking at it now that it's a million years old
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  and we're Million years old, seeing the what that
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  remembering, what it was like when it was so fresh.
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  And I was still quite wary of whether I was going to like new
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  Doctor Who or not having, loved loved it, loved Rose.
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  And then other, this whole first series was just a sort of
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  terrifying roller coaster ride of, is it going to be popular?
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  Is it going to get canceled again?
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  Do I like it, does it matter if I like it?
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  Yeah, well, thank you, Ry think, at this point when empty
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  cylinders dancers came out, we'd had darling.
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  It was It in very decent ratings I know Christopher Eccleston had
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  submitted his regular resignation but a second season
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  and another Christmas special had been commissioned.
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  So it was like the future was Breyer this point and the
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  audience response was really strong.
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  The critical response was really strong and then this here and I
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  was like, fuck me if it can hit these kind of heights we are in
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  safe hands. Yeah I think Steven Moffat
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  probably Could do no wrong all the way up to.
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  We need to go for a show, run well, and that's why I hope so.
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  I deliberately haven't really watched this in advance of
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  watching this, and I haven't watched it for 23 years, maybe
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  more. And so it's still going to be.
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  So it's gonna be quite fresh to me, and coming back to it.
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  Now, in the post, my Fiera, hopefully, if there's any
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  marketing things that came to annoy me later, they won't annoy
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  me watching it now. And I'll be able to enjoy as
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  much as the other side. Or one thing struck me because I
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  pre watch this with the commentary on which As I did
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  mention to you in a text message was smugness distilled because
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  it was John Barrowman and Steven Moffat talking.
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  But one thing that really really struck me was all those sort of
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  elements, I'm not. So keen on the over sexual
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  ization of the doctor, the smugness of the dialogue, the
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  sort of overly cleverness, the apparent.
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  Cleverness in the script, it was all there but it was a little
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  more tentative than it was. Later on, it was a little lot
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  less of in your face. And I think a lot of the
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  elements that Rusty Davis would bring to a story, which is like
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  a real focus on character and atmosphere.
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  And I even the dialogue felt a little different from my office
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  time. I do I feel like this there's
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  something different about the collaboration of those two than
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  there is when Moffitt was just saw cut loose.
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  Yeah. And left his own devices.
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  Yeah. Interesting fangio was.
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  What guess what? Situate, yeah.
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  Excuse me. Okay.
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  Well, what does your nuts colors in?
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  Okay, get ready to dance in three.
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  Two, one. Go three credit sequence.
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  I still get excited by their preset.
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  Good, pre-credit sequence. It looks like a plug, doesn't
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  it? It looks like a sink.
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  Oh, I think he looks like but moon, but it does get to the
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  point very quickly. This Yes, other.
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  Yeah, yeah, we're crashing in and it's nice to start with a
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  regular ol, Mo velour, can I ask you, almost immediately please
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  where you fall with the Ninth Doctor and Rose.
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  A really good luck. Yeah, a good combination because
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  she's not too. She's she's not a sort of in or
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  of his awesomeness as much as she is with the tenth doctor.
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  So she's what he's trying to impress her and she's being
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  she's not always immediately impressed whereas the Tips.
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  It all goes horribly wrong, in my opinion, but lesson is great
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  and their son way we've flown into the title sequence which
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  adds always, why does the Target that really is the bit where the
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  Tardis or two coming up? Does everyone always say this
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  when you do know, never got that perfect Tardis spins around as
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  you get the think again. But here, the thing kicks in a
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  little bit later time as ever Pete, you're reading on Doctor,
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  Who is completely unique. I don't believe it.
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  I'm sure there's other people out there who want that to be
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  treated every time it see it isn't a good title The Empty
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  child. The although discover the chart,
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  this is a foreshadowing, the word title in the word child in
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  the title is is a bad time. Don't put children in Doctor Who
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  it's a good title. Is a fantastic idea.
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  It's a creepy idea and it's a great image of the kid with the
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  gas miles. And we'll talk about that later
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  on. So simple.
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  So I think so, You know in series to Jane tranter said to
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  Rusty Dave easily, if you're gonna do any more historical
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  stories, all right, you got up the pace a bit.
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  Do you think she's talking about this one?
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  It doesn't feel like a historical does it?
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  Because it's not got but it'll bring it is okay?
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  What am I? That, I think we have, we need
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  more categories than any other. We've got a historical and
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  Studio historical, which nobody seems to bother with any more
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  because we don't do pure historicals, but there's
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  historical basis. There's a circles where they
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  really are Like this isn't the doctor trying to change the
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  outcome of the second world war. It's just a place where this
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  alien stuff is going to happen rather than a story rather.
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  Yeah, it's just it's like, it's just like there's two sub
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  categories, there's ones where there in the past and the
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  outcome of the second work. For example, if this was all
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  about ensuring that someone didn't change history, so that
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  Germany won the second world war.
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  That's one type of story. And this isn't that, this is the
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  other time, and what? How would you categorize this?
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  And what about really long sentence?
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  I just said, should be done. I just have to say that if we
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  call sign a fucking Tom Kelly, we just have the first mummy.
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  Oh yeah, offstage I mean is there are extended scenes of
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  atmosphere and this has a measured Pace rather than a
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  furious Pace. Yes.
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  Yes. I like that.
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  Yeah. And it's a to, it feels more
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  comfortable. In its episode, its length than
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  the previous two, parter relations of London and World
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  War 3, where they were Charging and got to keep going, Ladies of
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  London world war three. Is almost, it feels almost like
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  it just apart one that keeps going again.
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  Get a part where it starts at part one pace, and just stays at
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  it at a charge all the way through.
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  That's fine. But this feel, this is more
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  like, no. Okay, we've got, we've got an
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  hour and a half to tell this story for the.
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  It feels like a staff. That old old money for episode
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  length is getting used a bit more with time to get to know
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  the characters you get to know Nancy.
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  Really what I mean, Richard Wilson's character comes along
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  later. It's a single scene and you get
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  to know him very well with that saying, Yeah, I couldn't believe
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  it when it was an asshole. Shut up.
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  I could not eat what? It was.
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  Yes, you could not believe that he's in it and not like the
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  doctor or the master. He's just like to me is like,
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  it's just your it was announced, but it was announced that he was
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  going to be a doctor who I'm not.
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  Just this is one the most, Famous people has ever been in
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  Doctor. Who, how could it must be?
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  That one person is behind it all.
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  And it's actually not that they are obvious, very good role, but
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  he's not exactly what he's Mister X position, isn't it?
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  Can I take this as a opportunity to say something?
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  I've been meaning to say for a long, long time?
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  Hmm, it has to be you. Well, I've you singing Joe.
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  You said you weren't gonna say cause I was gonna say now some
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  of the songs in this, we're not written until the late 1940s,
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  but we won't quibble as opposed to not be that fan and that corn
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  is sweet potatoes. Oh honey just I love the the
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  right that the caption for it, on, on the iPlayer, homeless
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  children, in Wartime London, a terrorized by an unearthly
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  child. Oh my God, we've got an Insider
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  writing. The captains, have a every
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  child. I think that's got legs, you
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  know? Yeah, I could catch him.
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  It's got to if the nanites have fixed it, but that's another
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  issue. Do you know what love is about
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  this scene in the country. It goes because I can't believe
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  I did this whole sequence in this club, just for that
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  terrible. Bulgy gag about the bombs
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  because I just want to. So we'll go to the bank.
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  So it doesn't tell you what, there's a lot of atmosphere down
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  there. Yeah eautiful and now we got.
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  So now we got the green screen action already.
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  Paisa dangling like this at the time.
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  Painting has come to life is great.
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  Yeah yeah. It's one of the it's just so
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  well done and just and of course her maybe not in this t-shirt.
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  Do you realize something? What what you the stories you've
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  done? I think might be you know, one
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  of the handful of stories that will have nighttime filming K9 &
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  Company. Yeah, the demons has a nighttime
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  sequence at the beginning, this job doesn't put it in case
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  underground in the dark. I look like Yeah, I want it.
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  I want that places. That's true.
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  The cat's got nine hundred years of phone box travel, so he's
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  saying he's younger than specificity McCoy, said he was
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  943 and I don't have to keep saying this, don't be that
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  family. Okay.
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  You remember the telephone ringing, how exciting that was?
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  Yeah, that doesn't happen. And why is there a he says why
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  is nobody done this in the 50 years?
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  Why isn't it? What's the name of the woman who
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  plays met Nancy what mr. Facts at his fingertips and we
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  stick? Mr. Got got too many tabs open,
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  I'll get back to you on that one.
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  Well this she meant to be she took a sort of ambiguous.
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  Look about that. A child can't go out to some.
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  Yeah, yeah, so yeah, the wrong age.
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  I'm done waiting. I'm not sure if she meant to be
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  like, 90 about roses age is what I'm thinking.
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  If you, To me. She was like 20.
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  I'll say oh yeah. If you said to me she was closer
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  to 30, I go. Oh yeah.
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  You know, she's not sort of person.
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  Yeah. My name is Florence.
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  Howth unusual name. Being a cheerleader is H.
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  Phenomenally goes. Yeah.
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  Eccleston does. He's got the, a you my mummy on
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  the phone. Now, this is, and this is a cash
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  for obviously, a catchphrase, bring Braun being born.
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  There's no who don't even blink. Muffy's could a catchphrase,
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  isn't even bastard. It's got a catchphrase for
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  everything. What I later on, what was the
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  catfish in? The silence?
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  Go, nobody can remember. They had one, but nobody can
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  remember it. Yeah, he might deliver a joke.
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  Saudis on his mic stand. And just the Tardis down a dark
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  alleyway like that. And then the rainwater I guess
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  this really is night shooting, it really.
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  It would you can tell ya, you can tell on the quality of their
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  faces. I think, you know, this links
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  into the cliches, like Tallow, the stars are love this woman
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  because ha ha ha. Yes, you're right.
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  Going on Yeah he did a few more than it did the first few of the
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  next season and then didn't come back again which is a shame
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  because he's very in tune. Yeah.
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  Is she goes now in to steal the food?
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  And their custom proves. It's quite surprisingly that he
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  works extremely well with children.
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  Yeah we've progressed he hadn't really done before.
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  Isn't it amazing to think this 1940s kitchen?
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  Is this episode of Doctor Who is now as old as this 1940s kitchen
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  was in 2005. That is terrifying, okay?
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  I just loved it, isn't it? Amazing to think some Paul's
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  Cathedral now is even older than it was.
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  Then there's a lot of planes buzzing around that.
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  I'd forgotten how many players they were always John Barrowman.
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  Look excellent. Bottom pardon.
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  Oh right. That's actually already there.
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  Oh no, no well, he was always annoying.
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  Anyway, talk about Captain Jack. Yes of screaming.
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  Yeah, it does zoom in on us. Well, then he slaps his arse.
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  I mean, it's like everything's playing answer the what he was
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  accused of stuff. It's so in it, but that's the
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  thing. Yeah.
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  And the blurring of the lines between him and his character is
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  an odd thing. Like there's never been as a
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  never been Somebody cast in Doctor, Who prior to this, who's
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  been sort of therefore, their star quality and Pizzazz which
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  is what he's there for and and cast, I don't know the way, you
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  know, the way he's John Barrowman doing an appearance as
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  John Barrowman rather than really being a completely
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  different character is nothing like Tom Batman.
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  Can only think of one really Persona lies.
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  I mean, before it's who else it was.
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  His And you know Star Quality all the things you said.
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  Oh yeah yeah. And so we come through into the
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  dining room. Oh I love all of this with the
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  kids and it's she's looking after the hole.
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  You know what, right, you know, if the thing that shocked me
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  about this is it has the most obvious answer to this.
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  Are you my mummy twist all the way through and at no point.
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  Did I figure? Oh yeah, I could possibly be his
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  mother. Yeah, yeah, that's quite true.
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  That's true. Yeah.
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  And, and yeah, Now, who are you calling 2005 CGI?
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  Yeah, I think it's holy. Oh.
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  Well, isn't it? I think it's fun.
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  It's it, then if it's been upscaled to HD on the iPlayer,
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  probably, not what I'm watching it on my computer.
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  Possibly video I'm texting and yeah.
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  I can't really tell the difference of almost.
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  I love that I do. And I did love the bit about no
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  one ever believes that when he tells himself the phone, I
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  remember that being a new 2000. God, I'll just remembered for
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  mobile phones. Being new and planes complaining
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  about them. Are you allowed to just have
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  your phone on the plane? Now, it's been a while.
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  No, you're still not allowed to. Yeah, well, I think less and
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  less people comply. Here we go.
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  Now and this this whole thing is to bring John Barrowman in as a
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  yeah and he isn't it. Yeah, and he'd been created by
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  Russell, T Davies isn't he's not a market correction although my
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  foot changed him quite a bit but it was always.
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  It was always in the structure for the story for this
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  character. This this cocky space man from
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  the future to turn up. And yet now, right, how did you
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  at this point? I just immediately thought I
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  really don't like him. He's smarmy an annoying.
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  No, I was Opposite I thought, well, no, I just thought it was
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  really refreshing to have a male character in Doctor Who that
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  wasn't a trick and turlough, and that was actually a sassy and a
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  bit sexy. You know, it's funny that that
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  will gets transferred into her feelings for the doctor.
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  In the next series Doctor Who she's swooning over, I think we
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  should be grateful the River Song and Captain Jack Neville
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  and honest about why this I think the screen can handle that
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  A of them together. No Clash of egos would be quite
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  remarkable. How God here comes the child.
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  I forget about forgetting how much we see from the child's
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  point of view. It's very spooky and just going
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  back to not being able to remember.
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  And I mean, the way the child is scarier, once you've found out
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  what it really is I think there's a moment is just a kid
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  one around the gas mask on which is a bit creepy.
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  But all right. It's just a kid with a gas mask
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  on. What's creepy about that?
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  But like, you know, this sort of domestic setting you get here or
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  around the table. The kids are having dinner
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  during the are a I thought. This is the sort of thing you
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  don't get later on from Offutt. This is the sort of warmth and
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  do you know what I mean? Well, yeah, I mean compare it
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  with the family and Christmas mum can't drive because she's a
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  woman. I'll do you have to bring it all
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  the way down. Thank you, that's all.
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  Yeah. Was it the children get more
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  annoying as they go along? Is because they get the chemist,
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  AG stage children and which real children are right?
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  Well, because the best thing here is these kids don't get,
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  they don't have to do much. So there's plot doesn't really
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  hinge on these children and their performances are just a
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  nice touch here. He's Charming, the children was
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  gonna do arrest you for starving.
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  I like cheese mousse. Now this effectuation study.
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  Yes, this evacuation story is All interesting because my
• 22:21
  parents lived in London in the blitz.
• 22:23
  A lot of money. A lot.
• 22:24
  My dad's family got got blitzed. It's Uncle and two of his aunt's
• 22:28
  were killed in a bombing raid. It was in catford South London,
• 22:34
  right at the start of the war before.
• 22:36
  They'd actually started bombing civilians regularly, they were
• 22:39
  bombing the docks and things and but if they couldn't get through
• 22:41
  to the docks because it was too much about balloons and stuff
• 22:45
  and one night and said the planes did you?
• 22:47
  I just turned around and gave up and fly back to wherever they
• 22:50
  come from. They come from the Netherlands
• 22:51
  and they, and they just ditched all their Bombs Over the suburbs
• 22:54
  on the way out of London. Because how many of us get to
• 22:55
  the real Target? And like people because no one
• 22:59
  had actually no bombs have been falling around there, people
• 23:01
  would come back into the houses and thought the raid was over
• 23:04
  and like, yeah, it is. My dad's dad had moved out a few
• 23:08
  years earlier because he was the oldest, but still living at home
• 23:10
  was his to his aunt, and his uncle and they're all, they're
• 23:13
  all killed and only the dog survived.
• 23:16
  That's a family. That's all.
• 23:17
  Family Blitz Legend. I don't know if they had an
• 23:20
  Anderson shelter because not everyone did you know, the, the
• 23:23
  corrugated iron things out in the garden.
• 23:25
  There was there were sort of giving out to some people, but
• 23:27
  you had to have a garden. And then I found a garden.
• 23:31
  Unfortunately, the closest a bomb came to my fat worthwhile.
• 23:34
  Fortunately, so, I mean, I'm not so keen on those or maybe I was
• 23:40
  down the end of the street. I think a couple of houses were
• 23:42
  leveled, but where was that? Truly, Gatwick, all right.
• 23:52
  Oh I love. You know I love all of the.
• 23:55
  You see these sort of tilted angles?
• 23:57
  Yeah. Going towards the door with the
• 23:59
  The Cellar. It's a sort of a way.
• 24:00
  Doctor Who's never really been shot before, isn't it?
• 24:03
  I like all of that. Well they sort of horror movies.
• 24:06
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 24:08
  And it Clips in Eclipse. Now it's interesting.
• 24:10
  How would we talk about Russell? T?
• 24:12
  Davies here at what how it looks will always say?
• 24:14
  Oh it was so bright and vibrant, but here, hello sort of bright
• 24:20
  but it's but it's very A beige. Yeah, obviously, just 1940s
• 24:23
  Brown was the color. It's all very, it's dark and
• 24:28
  spooky as well as unquiet dead, but it's still, I know you're
• 24:33
  saying there but they're still sort of pleasant on the.
• 24:36
  I the imagery I watched a rebel flesh and almost people recently
• 24:41
  and I'm telling you now that was not pleasant on the I do that
• 24:45
  exercise. I'm quite say that I actually
• 25:01
  say empty and empty child to me please.
• 25:07
  Why does the phone keep ringing? Is that I've explained I think
• 25:13
  it is. Yeah.
• 25:14
  I just don't remember what it is.
• 25:15
  The phone rings and the Mario goes off.
• 25:18
  Its nanites. Did it is the new Wizard did it
• 25:21
  all? It's probably the be so much
• 25:22
  electromagnetic energy generated by the nanites.
• 25:24
  Yeah, that'll be it. He's Clockwork monkeys.
• 25:26
  Having a Bash. Occasionally he does, but that's
• 25:46
  because he's finding his way. But in this one here, this is a,
• 25:49
  this is a, you just being so perfect.
• 25:52
  When kid says, I'm scared, what they are.
• 25:54
  Loved for into other second year, I would too.
• 25:58
  But then I'm worried that I would, I would have liked him
• 26:01
  lettuce. If they take it at the same
• 26:02
  direction, they took it anyway with him and Rose being in love
• 26:06
  with each other. And up each other's asses, I
• 26:09
  wouldn't I've gone off him. So in a way I'm glad not to know
• 26:14
  just have some. Yes, I remember you're the one
• 26:16
  person in the world. Who doesn't like the go in the
• 26:18
  fireplace on you? Oh God.
• 26:20
  Yeah. Bloody, wink.
• 26:24
  Coming to the house. I'm Doctor Who I'm waiting for
• 26:26
  this girl to be old enough me to Shag her.
• 26:31
  Fuck Moffitt. Oh boy.
• 26:39
  Anyway. Okay.
• 26:39
  Should I It's dark but whatever there are lights are very bright
• 26:44
  and colorful and her t-shirt Solaris was this when was the
• 26:49
  because the Union Jack came and has come and gone out of sort of
• 26:54
  being cool and retro and then being a chemical nature again
• 26:57
  like in those the 90s period the Spice Girls period but this is
• 27:00
  obviously quite a while after that and it's like she's like
• 27:02
  she's wearing sort of clothes from 10 years prior.
• 27:06
  Yeah, sure. Yeah.
• 27:07
  I mean she's 2005 wearing in T-shirt, but maybe people from
• 27:12
  was doing that in 2005, I don't remember.
• 27:14
  She has a look in series one, right?
• 27:16
  I thought it was abandoned in serious too.
• 27:18
  She's just looks so fucking cool when serious water and she
• 27:22
  simultaneously looks like the 19-year old ordinary person.
• 27:28
  You could meet any day and also looks like it's just an
• 27:31
  international Superstar at the same time and it and it's
• 27:35
  somehow harmonizes. You do our favorite.
• 27:37
  Look of those is a Boomtown when she's got the Pigtails really
• 27:42
  nice. I love it.
• 27:46
  I mean it's a very unusual right now, Spock, when she said that
• 27:55
  Star Trek, how many ordinary 19 year olds in 2005 who weren't
• 28:04
  sci-fi Geeks like us, which she isn't Mickey is it and in my
• 28:08
  heart and my head, I had to do a whole rash.
• 28:10
  As I should. What would a 19?
• 28:12
  It was an ordinary regular nineteen-year-old. 2005
• 28:14
  immediately said, oh you look like someone from a 1960s
• 28:17
  American Sci-Fi series. Wouldn't she have said what was
• 28:22
  written by Steven Moffat? And he's a big geek.
• 28:27
  I'm having a flashback to me 17 years ago, having all these
• 28:31
  thoughts for missing. This conversation could ever put
• 28:33
  you thought Spock maybe Mickey's Mickey's a geek.
• 28:35
  It's been meant that was said easy because I didn't do much
• 28:37
  geeky stuff but maybe is what he's done there.
• 28:40
  Hey, Tonya. Not he's totally amazed you.
• 28:42
  Not think about the not another genes that are rather important.
• 28:47
  Okay. Oh yeah.
• 28:53
  I was very confused because I was like, why are they talking
• 28:56
  about these Nifty little pixie dust thing that repairs?
• 29:00
  I hadn't. I just thought this was a weird
• 29:02
  anomaly obviously until the end. Yeah.
• 29:06
  And at this point with it, can get a, it's funny at this point,
• 29:09
  we can get away with It's tough because the because they are
• 29:12
  doing a lot of. Look at this magical universe,
• 29:14
  that work magical because wonderful universe that dr.
• 29:15
  Hussain so you do sometimes just get shown stuff by a story as a
• 29:20
  bit of world-building. There's not going to necessarily
• 29:22
  be a chekhov's gun but only, yeah.
• 29:24
  The Nanobots in the First Act to go off in the third, what can I
• 29:27
  ask you another question then? Yes.
• 29:30
  Well, you know, the end of the TV movie when the eye of Harmony
• 29:33
  opens and the pixie dust comes out and brings back Grace
• 29:36
  Holloway and oh yeah, I was screaming abuse at the screen at
• 29:39
  this. No jeans as well.
• 29:41
  I don't care screaming abuse at the strange thing that I think
• 29:48
  that's where as well. Yes.
• 29:50
  Yes. If the Tardis can just magically
• 29:52
  bring anyone back to life. What is this series for?
• 29:55
  What's the point of ever having another episode of Doctor Who
• 29:58
  you watch very closely? It stays 9:30 for the next five
• 30:01
  minutes. I'm surprised that they're left
• 30:03
  big. Bend light switched on during an
• 30:05
  air raid, maybe they did. I believe how I just have use
• 30:07
  the fact of turned it off. But then you've not got an
• 30:11
  iconic shot. So yeah, I love a bit of running
• 30:13
  over railway tracks. I'll be watch secret army.
• 30:16
  That's something to do the podcast so good.
• 30:19
  It's so good. And you've got to get over the
• 30:21
  yellow thing. Because Allah is such a
• 30:23
  stunningly. Good.
• 30:25
  How much did they take? All of it?
• 30:26
  100% it, just every character and I Lalo is like, just
• 30:30
  directly lifted from it, but slightly tweaked.
• 30:32
  And so gonna take out the woman in the bed looking into bed.
• 30:35
  Yes. Except it's his wife, not his
• 30:37
  old wife, not his mother. There's even a police by French
• 30:42
  policeman who because they're all Dutch.
• 30:44
  They think he speaks a bit funny.
• 30:46
  No, he's only in a couple of episodes but you've just you
• 30:51
  forget that in seconds because the drama so good.
• 30:53
  Sorry. We're talking about Doctor Who
• 30:55
  the a child. So she's hiding in the train and
• 30:58
  doctors, father. See, I'm doing the proper up.
• 31:00
  Duke your personal? Yeah, the last I'll leave you to
• 31:12
  it. Well, what would be at what were
• 31:17
  my fit? And hardness talk about a
• 31:21
  disparate honking experiment. What I'm off that muffin
• 31:23
  environment or them out of this plane.
• 31:25
  Oh laughs it says that it goes Chris Brooks and he goes the
• 31:29
  first time, you know, when you meet him, you realize just how
• 31:32
  extraordinarily handsome he is, you know, and one presidency has
• 31:36
  because he goes, it's astonishing.
• 31:37
  You put a camera on him and all that Force Falls away.
• 31:40
  Oh, I had such a clear picture of what
• 32:02
  dr. Ish was.
• 32:03
  And just blowing out, the water was such a genius, genius
• 32:06
  things. It would have been you, what
• 32:07
  would have been your choice then pre-announce I don't know.
• 32:11
  Let me get back to you on that one.
• 32:12
  Okay, if I didn't, I genuinely don't know.
• 32:14
  I don't. Yeah, I don't think I had anyone
• 32:17
  in mind. A particular actually, is this
• 32:19
  the honest answer like a ring binder noun companion.
• 32:22
  Oh yeah. Any possible was coming back.
• 32:24
  We were all. Well, we all had an interesting
• 32:27
  reaction to that. Oh, there we go.
• 32:29
  I see the so, they have. So they've just turned the oh
• 32:32
  no, it's him doing it with this thing to turning the clock light
• 32:35
  on and off, but that still sounds dodgy Florence.
• 32:38
  Hopefully is 31:21. I'm making this it's still
• 32:43
  Harbors an IEP that way for a while now.
• 32:49
  Well time was rationed in those days out so it worked.
• 32:52
  See look just I was mostly just this where like the companion
• 32:55
  is. So obviously being seduced, but
• 32:58
  actually there was a bit that in the classic series that's not
• 33:01
  without precedent. There's a.
• 33:02
  Yeah. And someone made a really good
• 33:04
  point. So it was obvious on one of the
• 33:05
  clever podcasts that we listen to sometimes.
• 33:07
  I think it might be an old man who fights from Tai Chi, but we
• 33:10
  We got hung up on the doctor being this character, who unique
• 33:13
  as a hero. And I do this as well.
• 33:15
  It's it's fascinating that he's a hero who isn't primarily
• 33:17
  remain mod motivated by romantic desire, to save the life of the
• 33:21
  woman. He loves.
• 33:22
  That's a very unusual thing for a hero to do because mud too
• 33:26
  because most heroes are doing that or its Captain Kirk is the
• 33:29
  woman of the week. But but then they pointed out,
• 33:33
  that that's also true of the Brigadier is doesn't have a
• 33:36
  saves lives. Liz Shaw doesn't have a sex
• 33:39
  life. It was just because it was a BBC
• 33:41
  show be made in the sixties and seventies.
• 33:43
  So there wasn't really a reason why everybody should keep that
• 33:47
  parked forever. But it still felt so weird to
• 33:52
  but I liked it. The rose is going down this
• 33:54
  road. What hits but being a
• 33:57
  three-dimensional person with with a love life and all that
• 34:00
  for other characters in it. I was what I was I went into it
• 34:02
  thinking or something like that and actually it's like owning
• 34:04
  it's fine. The world has been created as
• 34:08
  almost I mean that's missing but not quite what it is that what
• 34:12
  it's about. But yeah, character, who isn't
• 34:14
  primarily motivated in that way, is, isn't it?
• 34:18
  Isn't excitingly unusual thing to have but don't mean
• 34:20
  everyone's going to be like that.
• 34:21
  Excuse me, but he's sorry. That was around.
• 34:23
  He got married in Season One. Ok, in the Aztecs he did you say
• 34:29
  but his reaction upon hearing it.
• 34:39
  Now, what do you Think of the way that Rose is flirting,
• 34:43
  though. Barry, my she's got Mickey back
• 34:44
  home. Did you know, what do you think?
• 34:49
  I really hate it. When they do, go down that route
• 34:52
  with Amy Pond in the series 5. Yeah, with Rory.
• 34:56
  The doctor guy because I get is more of a whereas a lot of the
• 35:01
  it's just, it's all sort of employed here.
• 35:04
  It's not. She's and trying to you know,
• 35:07
  fuck John Barrowman, whereas Amy Pond is trying.
• 35:10
  You fuck? The docks are you know yes and
• 35:14
  there's that. There is a difference is I mean
• 35:16
  my name is a bit older. It's I mean our twenties.
• 35:18
  She is, isn't she? I think so.
• 35:20
  Yeah. Amy's supposed to be an early to
• 35:22
  mid-twenties Was Roses. Still a teenager finding no way
• 35:24
  of finding things out and stuff. So you don't you catch a lot
• 35:27
  more slack on that front but that's still complete asshole to
• 35:29
  Mickey in it. School reunions, everyone
• 35:32
  obviously it has wonderful things but the doctor is a
• 35:35
  complete shit to Mickey all the way through that.
• 35:39
  I mean, it's lame. Yeah.
• 35:41
  Yeah. But then Mickey gets a gun at
• 35:43
  the end. So that's the Redemption art
• 35:44
  from Russell. T Davies, get is an ark and he
• 35:47
  marries the doctors ex Sarah, okay.
• 35:51
  Russell. I'm really scared about the new
• 35:57
  era because our CD to bit about how much I'm going to like it or
• 36:01
  not. It's cut but it's a thrill
• 36:05
  through exciting. It's exciting.
• 36:07
  But nerve-wracking I feel like a knows what he can get away.
• 36:10
  Now, as always going to be a bit more leash.
• 36:12
  Well, we'll see. We'll see.
• 36:16
  Do you object to the doctor being sexualized?
• 36:20
  Then I do object to it, doesn't get boring, just because it
• 36:23
  certainly makes a mundane thing to do, when you've got, you
• 36:26
  know, finally characters vegetarian and then say, hey,
• 36:29
  let's do a story where they just eats loads of bacon.
• 36:31
  Obviously Stars here, isn't it? Because in the second episode, I
• 36:35
  talk about him dance. Yeah yeah.
• 36:38
  It's like always a grown-up show now.
• 36:40
  He can do that and say, hey, I'm going to go and do Torchwood if
• 36:43
  you want to see if you, I really like this.
• 36:46
  At the time though, I liked it. That element creeping in at the
• 36:49
  time. I thought this is a bit
• 36:51
  different. This is it's not so much grown
• 36:53
  up, but it's just reflect them because sometimes it is.
• 36:57
  But then we get ahold of season, three of them, bloody mooching
• 36:59
  over rows, the whole time, drinking Martha like shit.
• 37:01
  I like Martha was the first companion.
• 37:03
  I just pitied, I just thought I would hate to be in her shoes.
• 37:05
  I've been in her shoes and I would, why would you travel the
• 37:08
  universe as someone who treated you like that?
• 37:11
  It's like that's not, that's not the same anymore, Doctor Who to
• 37:13
  give me weirdly enough, you know, eyes and sees me long to
• 37:16
  get to that moment. But when she finally says to him
• 37:18
  at the end of free or arm off, see ya?
• 37:21
  You treat me terribly. It's rather satisfying but today
• 37:27
  I just didn't know I just thought.
• 37:28
  Oh yeah wish you hadn't bothered.
• 37:29
  I wish we'd had a different companion.
• 37:31
  Then instead of a companion is going to be miserable all year
• 37:32
  and then fuck off. What was the point of that?
• 37:35
  I mean, II, get your reading. I know people that think their
• 37:38
  combined I was rooting for Early.
• 37:40
  And I went through a big journey together, I was like, I remember
• 37:43
  loving her and rooting for her in particularly in family of
• 37:46
  blood and all that, I felt so sorry, but I said, but the
• 37:49
  problem was, I was feeling sorry for her and that she was very
• 37:52
  successfully making me feel sorry for her, but it's like,
• 37:54
  why do I, why am I spending 45 minutes a night feeling.
• 37:57
  Sorry for this woman who's traveling with the doctor but it
• 38:01
  was good drama. But what what's the best later
• 38:05
  in the hospital? Sorry, we should session.
• 38:06
  We were in the hospital for anybody who gives a shit.
• 38:10
  A 1000, that's just, it isn't this the same Hospital from
• 38:15
  another story? It is, isn't it?
• 38:17
  It's London, is. Yeah, this is this the same code
• 38:21
  on the Tosh walk down. Yeah, with the pig, yeah, the
• 38:25
  pig and everyone screamed, it was her from absolutely
• 38:27
  fabulous, and then it turned out, it was her from Torchwood
• 38:29
  and we didn't know it yet. And everybody's screaming, what
• 38:32
  it was him from one foot in the grave.
• 38:35
  Yeah, now was this before he was doing this is before Merlyn,
• 38:39
  isn't it? Merlin came around.
• 38:40
  Around after dr. Yeah, Merlin was one of the
• 38:42
  things that commissioned after dr.
• 38:43
  Hill. Yeah hair, was it like a long
• 38:49
  week? I like Berlin.
• 38:50
  Yeah, and he was he was Berlin's Mentor.
• 38:53
  Young Merlin's Mentor. Colin, what's his name?
• 38:56
  It was felt it was a nice thing. Is that no spiritual fairly
• 38:59
  throw away lots of time. Lots of lots of homoerotic
• 39:03
  promo. Erotic Merlin Arthur Oh, really
• 39:08
  thoughts. Actually you know what I think
• 39:18
  is the creepiest, be in this scene, it's not so much the bit
• 39:21
  where he the gas Mark emerges on his face is scary.
• 39:25
  It's the bit where he hits the bin and they all set up.
• 39:28
  That's a bit against me. I think I think it's been a
• 39:39
  technique. That's what I like doing, right?
• 39:42
  And, and you can't go wrong when you can't go wrong but doing
• 39:44
  right and do that on the Fantastic for a reason.
• 39:47
  Yeah, so I love that bit where that where that Constantine
• 39:50
  sister Marie your doctor because I've Had My Moments where your
• 39:55
  Christopher Eccleston accent. The line where he says, before
• 40:04
  this War, I was a father and a grandfather, and now I'm
• 40:07
  neither. But I think that's really
• 40:09
  economic way of telling his story.
• 40:12
  Yeah, I didn't think the people rip into it.
• 40:14
  I thought. Yeah, I did you just say that
• 40:21
  just now, literally, just It's a proper mystery, we're
• 40:28
  investigating a mystery and sort that actually, at the moment I
• 40:33
  think on first viewing, I was thinking, well, what has roses
• 40:37
  story got to do with this? It's that's what most people
• 40:43
  will find out, but they're very separated it on.
• 40:45
  And it, you know, it's very strange because usually I find
• 40:49
  with Star Trek when there's a technobabble ending, it's just
• 40:52
  the worst. Whereas here I found It very
• 40:55
  satisfying because there was a very moving character story in
• 40:59
  there as well. And the to see together.
• 41:03
  Yeah precise. It that the plot brings those
• 41:06
  two points together at exactly the right time.
• 41:11
  Yeah. It's very impressed.
• 41:12
  Yeah. And it doesn't feel like a hand
• 41:15
  of God. Over the all set up.
• 41:19
  Do you hear what he said? They're not dead.
• 41:22
  He's got a very particular way of saying dialogues.
• 41:25
  Richard Wilson. I'm still pondering your
• 41:28
  question for about who I would been thinking to be the doctor.
• 41:31
  This point I've got to stop thinking it because outcomes,
• 41:33
  it's distracting. That's all think the tween
• 41:36
  episodes and you can let us know if it's okay, is it?
• 41:39
  Good is a different question for you.
• 41:42
  This, this feels like this has the feeling of a classic Doctor
• 41:45
  Who story and in the literal sense as well as in the
• 41:50
  celebratory sense. By which, I mean it could have
• 41:53
  been an old series story and well it couldn't.
• 41:55
  Because it does all sorts of stuff Bill to didn't But
• 41:57
  nevertheless, it feels like you could drop a nut on Old doctor
• 42:00
  in this and it would still work. Whereas, some new stories are
• 42:03
  two different and wouldn't work, which old doctor would you drop
• 42:07
  into this? If you were doing that, if
• 42:09
  you're all gonna be a bit obvious from Boca know, I put
• 42:14
  McCoy in this. okay, okay, I always remember when people say
• 42:19
  McLaren 26, the spoons, A long discussion
• 42:46
  about the bone cracking sound. Up to this moment.
• 42:54
  This is the most horrific thing that's ever been in Doctor, Who
• 42:57
  I think just and it's not even how its realized.
• 43:00
  It almost looks a little bit comical at one moment where his
• 43:02
  eyes go more Mickey Mouse but the the eccleston's got tears in
• 43:08
  his eyes. I did.
• 43:10
  I know I think that's stopped him in a nutshell.
• 43:12
  You know, the the horrific thing that could is on the verge of
• 43:16
  being oh yeah, I'm not complaining.
• 43:17
  Yeah very Doctor Who And when she says an episode to you, it
• 43:22
  feels like something's forcing his way up your throat.
• 43:24
  Well that special effect. Absolutely showed that didn't
• 43:26
  it? The hmm and you get these are
• 43:29
  all the time now thinks that horrific like influx you know
• 43:33
  there's a bit with the guys have got giant snakes that picking
• 43:37
  them out of their mouths and everything because of the visit
• 43:39
  I video or whatever it was called.
• 43:41
  Well the trouble is you have to sort of up it every year like
• 43:44
  you have to try and best it Doctor Who Moffat You've done it
• 43:51
  once. More fit.
• 43:52
  That's it. You're not allowed to doing it.
• 43:53
  Doing it. Once is fine.
• 43:55
  Apparently there was a apparently.
• 43:58
  There was a cut line in the draft script after they say
• 44:01
  after she said Doctor Who he was supposed to say.
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  I prefer a doctor who'd Star Trek when God maximum that was
• 44:11
  in a draft. It was that one was taken out.
• 44:18
  Oh, there's a Fantastic special effects in a minute, isn't it
• 44:21
  right with creepers. So Jesus, she's in the house and
• 44:24
  the kids going around saying, are you my mummy?
• 44:25
  You mummy. But the bit where the camera
• 44:28
  goes right in his face and you can see that behind in inside
• 44:31
  the goggles, there's nothing behind that.
• 44:33
  He is literally empty, it's really effective.
• 44:40
  But you know I feel like the Cliffhanger cuts at the wrong
• 44:43
  point we'll talk about Carmen. Oh yeah yeah because they you
• 44:48
  get all everyone's not going Mommy.
• 44:50
  Mommy Mommy Mommy it's quite funny actually rather being
• 44:56
  scary. All we do.
• 44:59
  I like an ambulance. So well so yes we've got.
• 45:02
  This is the first sort of showdown between the doctor and
• 45:04
  Jack and it's it's well yeah, I mean it's really good.
• 45:13
  I think, yeah, I love the doctor doctor skepticism and the doctor
• 45:21
  not being taken in by Jack's flash nurse, but also being
• 45:24
  clearly a bit jealous. It does, it drop here?
• 45:27
  That there is a con, isn't it? There?
• 45:29
  This is the point. Yeah, he says it's called Yang
• 45:31
  something tells me. I'm a comment.
• 45:33
  Yeah. It's so, is he from the 15 51st
• 45:41
  Century as Magnus Grill? I think that's the yeah, I think
• 45:44
  Moffat has said in some point because he says, in terms of
• 45:48
  ensuring doesn't eat a Time, agent would know.
• 45:50
  Yeah, they choose the time, Asian description very
• 45:53
  carefully. I will come to the Nano dreams
• 46:00
  again there. Yeah, I'm also guessing it.
• 46:03
  Although, nobody's mentioned is just a DNA, is being Rewritten.
• 46:05
  Yeah, the kids are all there and they keep talking about this on
• 46:09
  your first watch. Did you put it all together?
• 46:12
  No. And you are smart bloke, but
• 46:18
  they didn't remember thinking it certificate, talk about Spock
• 46:23
  and yet no nights and it was kind of a running joke.
• 46:24
  Least with me and my friends, that man is were behind
• 46:26
  Everything in Star Trek next Generation.
• 46:28
  It would kind of be like, get out, oh, no, space ships.
• 46:31
  Like the Enterprise has exploded again on lots of nanites have
• 46:33
  fixed it. How about Star Trek?
• 46:35
  If you watch P? But almost all of it up till
• 46:39
  Voyager. I got a splinter in one episode
• 46:43
  Evolution at the beginning of series 3.
• 47:05
  This is going to kill you. I really love is this is a
• 47:21
  cliffhanger. They could have pulled off in
• 47:22
  classic. Oh yeah, people approaching
• 47:27
  what's scary? He just lifts gonna die - and
• 47:30
  the music. So, I just put the sound a
• 47:32
  little bit. I know the listings can't hear
• 47:34
  it, but the music is so subdued for Marigold if this was
• 47:37
  America. If this was a couple of years
• 47:39
  later, the music would have been game.
• 47:42
  But instead of just letting the, it's letting his voice, oh, I
• 47:46
  forgot how much I loved. The this version of the theme as
• 47:51
  well with the original scream just pretty much left as is and
• 47:55
  then you get the second scream a few seconds.
• 47:57
  Then of course that would be having the continuity announcer.
• 48:01
  Will be telling us to stay tuned for a for a trailer.
• 48:05
  Do we get the trailers on the iPlayer?
• 48:06
  I'll be there at all. Yeah, me now.
• 48:08
  Oh yeah, I can see a couple of years and they changed.
• 48:19
  Like I said was rules was never about everyone's name being on
• 48:21
  screen for a set amount of time. They have to be smart about
• 48:24
  these next time Traders are, but when it was when it was a to
• 48:28
  Pulsar because if it's someone in Jeopardy, they couldn't show
• 48:31
  that person. Well, they didn't that, that's
• 48:33
  what they realized. Was that after the last one I
• 48:34
  throw you into London they got loads of complaints because it's
• 48:37
  because it cut the trailer was straight after the was before
• 48:41
  the credits or in or a few seconds into them.
• 48:45
  So and it immediately shows you that everyone was all right, and
• 48:47
  running around. I'm doing other stuff next week
• 48:50
  but I've showed that day that I use London to my to my niece,
• 48:54
  who was probably about about 12 at the time, something like
• 48:58
  that. And she was she could leave it
• 49:01
  like that, stop. They're all about to be counted
• 49:03
  and she's never seen a cliffhanger before.
• 49:05
  She'd never seen a program that ended with people about to be
• 49:08
  killed by monsters. And just said, what happens
• 49:10
  next? We're going to come back next
• 49:11
  week because that was just some out of out of fashion.
• 49:16
  How old was she? At the end of episode 1, I have
• 49:24
  a question for you, then I started with the question.
• 49:26
  I never questioned people and then I remember it's me.
• 49:28
  So I've got to think of an answer.
• 49:30
  Well, you haven't watched this for a long time.
• 49:33
  This was your first time doing it.
• 49:34
  You weren't sure how you were gonna feel about it.
• 49:36
  How did you feel about it? I'm loving it.
• 49:38
  Yeah. No, it's so watchable, it looks
• 49:40
  so good. It's not like, I thought it
• 49:42
  might seem garish or two in your face and it doesn't at all,
• 49:47
  although it is, of course, get it.
• 49:48
  Is not a re-creation of wartime London in a, in any sort of
• 49:52
  realistic gritty way but it's not trying to be, but it is,
• 49:56
  it's another spooky one and having at this point, the I
• 50:00
  remember the episode I love and I still did at the end of
• 50:02
  season. One unquiet, dead was my
• 50:04
  favorite episode of the year. I've got, I've got, I've gone
• 50:07
  back and maybe like some others more now, and I know it would be
• 50:09
  hard to choose now, but at the time that was like, Wow, they've
• 50:12
  done my perfect Doctor. Who episode?
• 50:14
  I don't know what can come next it, or at least within 45
• 50:18
  minutes. I would prefer to be 90 minutes
• 50:19
  and add some more twists but still but yeah, loving it
• 50:22
  without you I can't believe that Steven Moffat wrote a story set
• 50:28
  in the past as good as this. And also wrote let's kill Hitler
• 50:33
  discussion to have. Yeah because that thing of
• 50:35
  Doctor Who not doing the Nazis and even when we do the second
• 50:39
  world war and still here, there aren't any Nazis in this that
• 50:42
  there aren't any Nazis in curse of fenric, not be Because like
• 50:49
  dr. Who don't know?
• 50:50
  I'm not out of cowardice or anything, but simply because
• 50:52
  they know we can't if dr. So brilliant and we, the viewers
• 50:56
  are going to ask why doesn't, why doesn't he just kill Hitler?
• 50:58
  And so my first front ends it and then locks him in a cupboard
• 51:03
  for lolz your reaction to its funnier than the Joker.
• 51:11
  I laughed. I did laughing now.
• 51:13
  I did Hitler in the cupboard. Quite a few think funny line
• 51:19
  from Rory who is just an abused spouse but that's a whole other
• 51:24
  issue. Hang on, come on man.
• 51:27
  Would you know, I do I thought it was a very Savvy move doing
• 51:30
  this sort of picture postcards WWII that.
• 51:34
  Everybody would recognize all the clichés.
• 51:36
  So you could absolutely buy into this immediately, if he's the
• 51:40
  bombings, you know, your dad, it lasts The Barrage balloons.
• 51:44
  Yeah. And it's doing a it's doing and
• 51:46
  we stopped who doing a war movie, Movie The Brothers and
• 51:49
  really doctor explains the second world war to you in the
• 51:51
  same way that Doctor Who doing a mummy's movie or Doctor Who
• 51:54
  doing anything else that went, whatever was being ripped off
• 51:57
  that week. The just wanted for another
• 52:02
  comparison with this got it. Absolutely right.
• 52:05
  And that's victory of the Daleks which obviously goes back to the
• 52:09
  second world war and I feel like everything that this gets right
• 52:13
  that gets hot. Probably horribly wrong, it
• 52:17
  brings in genuine. Ian historical figures and
• 52:20
  mischaracterizes on so appalling lie.
• 52:23
  Yes. Yes awful.