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RHOC Recap "What Happens at the Gym...Everyone Knows" · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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  Drama, Darling Drama, Darling Drama, Darling, and I'm back. I
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  am back, and guess who's with me? Emily Teresas Hi, Emily,
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  Hello, Oh, it's been so long since I've seen you since our hectic
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  live the day before the fourth of July, which we'll need to do a
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  quick recap before we get into the rest o. Lord, I know I'm
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  still reeling, I'm still unraveling. I'm still I'm still recalibrating. But listen,
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  darlings, I am so happy to be back with you. Yesterday I
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  actually posted if you're on my Patreon, please go there if you're not,
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  but it's it's a patreon dot com backslash drama Darling Andy. But Paula Swape,
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  who's a manifestation expert I did and a life coach author what have you?
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  Totally stalked her down on the tiktoks and Instagram and I just love her
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  videos and I was like, please be on my podcast. She said,
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  yes, I interviewed her. Is so awesome. We will barely scratch the
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  surface. But if you're into that type of thing, we're gonna get We're
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  gonna keep going down that path, you know, we're giving Bravo, we're
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  giving weird documentary recaps, and we're gonna give you manifestation experts, you know,
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  because that's just like that is my life. It's a potpourri of chaos
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  and also striving to be a better person. Yeah, I listened to that
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  episode. It's great. It's very thank you for lifting, is it?
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  Yeah? I thought so too. I thought she's great. And then also
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  if you guys noticed so obviously, the fourth of July landed on a Tuesday
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  this year, and Tuesdays and Thursdays are the days that I post my free
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  podcast to wherever you get podcasts, which is today Thursday. But on Tuesday,
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  what I did was for the holiday, I posted an episode that you
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  would normally get on my Patreon, so I wanted to give you a little
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  teaser of like what you can find over there. And it is a great
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  episode that I spoke with psychotherapist Melissa Reich. She's been on my show twice
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  and we call her the Bravo psycho Therapist. She's a Bravo fan, but
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  she's also a licensed therapist. And so this episode that I posted on Tuesday,
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  she talked about the Real Housewives of New Jersey Reunion, as well as
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  Kim and Croi and how epigenetics plays a part in the drama. Darling so
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  super fascinating. We're going to continue to have her on the show. She's
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  amazing. So that was just a little teaser of what you can get over
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  on the Patreon. So again, if you're not a Darling over there,
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  please subscribe today. We're doing Orange County tomorrow, Project Runway and The Bachelorette
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  is our bonus EPs. So I'm doing The Bachelorette as the bonus episodes on
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  Patreon. So boy wow, And I've already watched it this week, so
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  I mean, I wow. I know I'm full in. I just watched
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  it and just lay it in bed, didn't take notes. That's the thing
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  I love sometimes when I don't have to rush to do something, I just
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  like to watch it like a normal person and I just get my computer on
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  my lap. I can just enjoy it for what it is and scroll on
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  my phone and like land on, you know, at the same time watch
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  something and just that's mind numbing, but then also go down a complete rabbit
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  hole of like ginger jars, you know, And that's where I'm at it
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  was Coasters not too long ago. Now it's ginger Jars. That's where Darling
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  sound off in the comments about Ginger Jars. Please do I oh, I'm
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  so obsessed. I'm just you know, I mean, it's gonna be it's
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  gonna be a work in progress because I will land on the right one at
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  some point. And you know, I don't know where I'm going to go
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  with it. I don't know if I'm going to go like, you know,
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  one off of La Amazon, or if I'm going to go down a
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  rabbit hole, a hole of getting one like that's an antique one down you
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  know, years from now. I don't know what. I don't know what's
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  going to happen. I don't know anything's possible. No one knows. Life
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  is life is a highway. Wow. Wow, Emily, you really said
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  it. Oh my god, Emily and I have been on a journey as
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  all of us have. Now we can't start, you know, drama,
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  Darling without talking about Kyle and Mauricio. So here's the thing. The day
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  before the fourth of July, where were you? Where were you when we
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  all heard and found out that the people exclusive hit the bravosphere and it was
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  reported that Kyle and Mauricio are separated, have been separated and had it one
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  heck of a rough year, and you know they're working on it. They're
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  working progress. And then well, prior to that, we had watched the
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  in I mean as a nation. July second, we were watching Face Reality
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  sixteen, Instagram Deep Dive right then July third, yes, and then later
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  People Magazine. And then wasn't it later July third that we got ten pm
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  right that we got Kyle's statement, and this statement said, hold on,
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  where are my glasses? Oh lord, here they are okay, because this
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  is on my phone. Guys, So Kyle posted this in regards to the
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  news that came out about us today. Any claims regarding us divorcing are untrue.
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  However, yes, we've had a rough year, the most challenging one
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  of our marriage, but we both love and respect each other tremendously. There
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  has been no wrongdoing on anyone's part. Although we are in the public eye,
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  we asked to be able to work through our issues privately. While it'd
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  be entertaining to speculate, please do not create fallse stories to fit a further
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  salacious narrative. Thank you for the love and support Kyle and Mauricio now right.
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  And I want to say I agree, it is fun to speculate.
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  Oh well, that's all we do. I mean, it's you know,
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  the unfortunate thing is that this is the the balance of being a part of
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  this like world of you know, following all this stuff. Of course we're
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  all going to pop off, you know. And might I say when Emily
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  and I went live, we popped off, But I want to make it
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  clear we popped off in support of Kyle. Like there was never any dragging
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  of Kyle. There was just it's we to this day, we stand Kyle
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  and we want what's best for her. Did we go down the rabbit hole
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  and further fan the flames of what Face Reality sixteen said and their reports,
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  their allegations, Yes we did. And for that, you know, I
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  don't know if I'm sorry. I just feel like I'm a part of the
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  band. I'm a part, I'm a cog in the wheel of this,
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  this this journey we're on as as people in this world. And you know,
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  I don't want to fan the flames if it hurts Kyle, you know,
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  or her family. But I will say this regardless, we don't know
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  the truth. We don't know what's going on obviously, but at the end
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  of the day, we just want Kyle to be happy and that's that.
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  Yeah, And I'm you know, fine with Mauricio. This is like one
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  of those things like if they are separating, which by the way, I
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  think that they still are. I think that it's one of those things where
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  it's like I kind of like them both. I mean, I really like
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  Kyle, but I don't really have a problem with Mauricio. And it's not
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  when it's not a hard take a hard side here, it's kind of like,
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  hey, it is what it is. What's funny is how hard you
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  spelled it out on your social media and like you gave us all the clues,
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  so we put them together. Remember when I said on our deep dive
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  on the Patreon about this that like maybe the tattoos represent sobriety and the rings
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  represent like the like the commitment to sobriety. I still think there might be
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  something to that. I mean, I really do. If we're putting away
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  all of the like salaciousness of Kyle having an affair with a younger woman,
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  if like we're putting that all away, there could be something totally to that,
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  and I wonder, you know, if that's really what it is,
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  like will she ever will she ever explain like the matching tattoos? Will she
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  ever explain like if those are matching rings? Will she ever explain it?
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  You know? Will she ever give us that? Or do you think that
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  it will just go away? Yeah? As soon as they get that second
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  mortgage cleared up so that Kyle can keep that house, I think we're going
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  to get a lot of things explained. So yeah, now you mentioned this.
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  So I did see this video and it was a TikTok video. Bravo
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  Snarkside posted a video from Brownstone Brownstoned Mama on TikTok and she's explaining this second
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  mortgage that Kyle and Mauricio took out on their home in Encino, And essentially
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  she is saying that this is what you do when you are going to get
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  a divorce and one person wants to keep the home, but the other person
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  doesn't have enough money to buy them out, and so they take out this
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  loan together and it's an amical situation and then that one person is able to
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  live in that home. So again and more, more allegations, more you
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  know, leaping theories and that's just that's just out there. But I do
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  find that, like second mortgage wild, there's also those always mortgages. There's
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  always mortgages happening in these Housewives worlds, Like Renna had that mortgage like everyone
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  it is when now her and Harry just did I think allegedly, I know
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  what. I'm like, well, didn't they just do one? Before I
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  get so caught up? I'm like, I would think Mauricio has probably plenty,
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  Like they have enough money to buy that house like ten times over,
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  So that's why we start. Maybe it's not liquid. Maybe they have money
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  that's tied up in other investments and they can't pull it out just and so
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  this seems like the most economical way to do it for them because they can
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  just I mean, the interest rates are kind of crazy, but maybe I
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  mean, I don't know who that part I, but I bet it is
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  that they're just not as liquid as they could be at the moment. And
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  also, like this world is h this industry in general, it's feast or
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  famine, so like, uh, they might especially like I was thinking about
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  like Harry and Rinna, like they I don't know what their work life is
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  like right now, and I know she's doing American Horror Story, but I
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  don't know what she's getting paid. There's not a consistency. There's a writer's
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  strike, so Harry's probably not working for a minute. So who knows sell
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  those dresses in the garage? I say, But you know that's just me
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  money, fame. It's it's just what a journey that we're on and watching
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  all those happen before our eyes. I know, it's it's hard, like
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  because you you know, you can't look away, and you want to know
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  all the secrets and you want to know what's happened, and we just don't
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  have all the answers. All we have is, you know, just respect
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  our privacy and let us work through it. We do respect your marriage.
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  Twenty five years, I mean that is a long time. Hell is it
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  twenty five or twenty seven? Is it twenty seven? Oh my god,
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  no, I think. But also like they're together in Aspen right now,
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  Mauricio and Kyle and the family. Like oh and by the way, so
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  I thought that Kyle posted a picture of the family on Independence Day, and
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  so I commented, we love you Kyle on the picture. But then Emily
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  pointed out that that was not posted by Kyle. It was posted by Mauricio,
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  and I was like, Amy giving it to Mauricia. I didn't mean
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  to do that. I thought it was Kyle's posts. But then I saw
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  that someone commented this is why I fucking hate social media because I was like,
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  I went so deep in the comments I said. I saw somebody was
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  like, oh something like basically do you Amy, saying like hell Daary,
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  you just didn't an hour live about that, and I was like, it
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  was our Instagram Live was so pro Kyle, I know. And I would
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  say kind of neutral to Mauricio except for maybe calling out some of the rumors
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  like what do you do? I'm not as neutral with Mauricio as perhaps you
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  were, because I was like, you know, if there has been cheating
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  allegedly, like I'm not, I'm gonna be team Kyle on this, So
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  I'm kind of I'm past you know what I mean, so right, But
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  but I also think, like the thing is what people don't want us to
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  do is fan the flames of the Morgan thing, Like I think, so
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  you know what I'm saying, and that must be what that person. And
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  again I'm so used to it. The haters are gonna hate, like they're
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  gonna come after you, and I'm so used to comments like that that I'm
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  like whatever because less well, well, they don't always get to me.
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  They don't always get to me. Every once in a while something will get
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  to me. But for the most part, I'm like water off a duck's
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  back because I know, like what I said and what I do, and
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  so as long as I know and like, I can sleep at night.
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  Like Jen from Orange County, you know, I if I'm okay with what
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  I say, then that's all I have to answer to is just myself.
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  Love that that's my own conscience. Yeah again, why I cannot be a
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  reality star because I can talk shit, but I cannot take it and everybody
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  that says like I mean, I can. I can be confrontational if need
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  be, to stick up for myself, but I random people having a strong
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  opinion would kill me. Like like someone like me coming after me on a
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  reality show, I'd be like, I'm going to go to her house and
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  I'm going to tell her, well, I know, I don't think it's
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  easy for people I don't know. I wouldn't be able to be on a
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  reality show either, because I couldn't take that level of it. I mean,
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  my platform is small, and so when things get heated on my level,
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  it's controllable. And typically I see it all because like I don't have
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  thousands of comments, you know what I'm saying, So like it does,
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  like I'm able to see most things, you know, But and like whatever,
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  it's it's just like one of those things where if you're if you don't
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  if you're not following my stuff and you're just coming from an angle you're just
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  coming out of nowhere to post I already know, like you don't know me.
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  Then yeah, I think that's healthy obviously. But with Kyle's stuff and
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  talking about it, with any of this stuff, I've said it before.
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  At our heart, I think a lot of Bravo like the Vin diagram of
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  Bravo people and true crime enthusiasts. The Vin diagram crosses over at like house
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  reality show scandal because the second that there's anything like we just want to deep
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  dive into it and pull it apart and find out like who were the witnesses?
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  Who knows who to solve this uncertain crime? What about this mortgage?
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  You know? What I mean, like what if what if we're so dead
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  off too? Like what if the second mortgage is like they're going to open
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  up a hotel and aspen and like, I mean you know what I'm saying,
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  like it could literally could be anything anything, So and we'll find out
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  someone will find out, yeah, and then we'll find out from those people.
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  Oh yeah yeah. But you know it was funny because Emily I was
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  texting with her about the all this news, and we were like, what
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  are we going to do? And then I'm like, let's go on live
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  and just talk this through and and so Emily was just she came you came
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  back from the gross you were I grabbed I mean, I was like okay,
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  and he's like, should we do it Instagram Live? And I was
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  like yeah, like now, and then she's like, no, give me
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  five minutes. And I'm like okay. So I did a dead sprint.
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  I like parked it kind of off, I will say. And then I
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  grabbed my groceries some frozen items, uh, ran inside, put them down,
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  remember there's frozen stuff, went back, threw it all in the freezer,
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  and then looked a hot mess. By the way internet out, Internet
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  was out as you all saw. If you saw the live, you saw
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  I was the first person. It was my first time doing live, and
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  I called him from a fax machine. Apparently. Yeah, people were in
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  the commons saying that you were on dial up. Your hair was askew.
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  You were I've never seen you so frazzled. And I came in and ate
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  that literally coming in hot, like I was sweating my ass off at eighty
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  miles an hour. I respect thank you for doing all that for for the
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  cause. I had to do this because I needed to talk about it.
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  And then hours later, hours later, when I still can't find my purse,
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  fanny pack, it's really a fanny pack, a pocket book by my
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  purse, my pocketbook. Hours later, and I was starting to get a
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  little nervous, but not nervous enough. But then there she was in the
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  freezer with my frozen items from the grocery store. So that's how that's how
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  much I needed to talk about it. Fanny pack and the freezer. That's
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  the kind of news. That's what this is on the list of like how
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  intense was the Kyle news? For me, it was fanny pack and the
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  freezer. Fanny pack and the freezer level for sure. Yeah. I was
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  just it's like, let me make a cup of tea so I can calm
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  down and get on this live, okay. And I just scooted it on
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  here the Cheetor room, and I mean my experience was definitely not like yours.
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  Oh my god, but you were so put together. I had like
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  worked out, but not so I had, like I had done makeup for
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  our first show that day where we were breaking it down on Instagram. Then
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  I worked I worked out, and then I stopped at the store and then
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  like and that, so I had like post workout drip makeup. I looked
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  and felt great. Oh that was so fun to do though. That was
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  really fun. I really enjoyed this. Wow, Emily, we really really
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  really. I mean I think that we kind of that was sort of like
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  the dish, you know, as far as serving up dish, but because
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  trying to keep some style of like you know, I don't know, repetition
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  or what's the word I'm looking for, pattern, a scatter, a continuity
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  for the show pretend. Oh god, who's calling me? No caller,
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  id Uh, it's Mauricio, Maurice. Well, it was so funny because
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  you were like I wonder if Marie or I wonder if Kyle or someone will
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  follow you on Patreon so they can hear like what you really said, you
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  know, when we were talking about all that stuff, like go for it,
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  I got nothing to hide. But then somebody pledged and like a new
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  pledge came in and it was like Maurice, and I was like, oh
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  my god, it's Maurice. We'll never put it together. It's clearly couldn't
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  be Mauricio. I know. For the record, welcome Maurice. Yes,
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  hi, Maurice. Thank you. You don't actually think you're Mauricio, but
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  I love that. For a second, the timing of you joining Patreon,
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  Darling was a chef's kiss, so thank you for that. We do have
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  one piece of news that I would like to discuss that has nothing to do
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  with Kyle and Mauricio, because we're going to table that for now and we're
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  just gonna let the chips fall where they may and we wish the best for
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  both of them and their family. And uh, we'll move on to the
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  next piece of news, which is that apparently the Sun is reporting that Vicky
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  Gumbelson and Kevin and Tamra left Steve Lodge a voicemail. And now Steve has
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  apparently sent the drunkend dial a drunk dial. Now he sent the voicemail into
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  the sun. I'm guessing I don't know unless a source did. He must
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  have made some money off of this, allegedly. But and he he comments,
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  leave me and my wife alone because they drunk dialed him. Now I
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  did. Here's the thing. I did a screen. I did record it
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  off of the computer. I can't tell you how this is going to sound,
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  because even when I listen to it, it sounds like just a bunch
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  of like we're at a bird sanctuary, and and there's several different species of
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  birds. I can't make out really very much of what they're saying. But
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  I'm going to play it for you so that you can hear. Okay,
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  so here we go. How are you right now? I'm sorry that it's
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  true. We are just really nice. Maybe we maybe and I will read
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  state the poem and we can send you to see no sky thinks a good
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  idea. I had a recording. Oh, I'm probably I was both to
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  book with him while were you sleeping next to me? While you were sleeping
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  with Chance? And you know her that we were just friends. We were
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  friends who were supering next to me, living in my home for free,
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  and I found and everything with me. I want to talk and men with
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  you to help me with the She think, well, he wouldn't do that
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  because I think it was and it's and then he had that she was doing
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  it with her while he was super next to me. That means how to
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  me, Shannon? She okay that one night. He didn't mean it.
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  She really didn't mean that. He didn't mean but you know what, I'm
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  just remembering the time right when I met John, like early nineteen you on,
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  I had a dinner plan a new work and we walked into the restaurant
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  and we're like, oh my god, she's sitting at the bar and you're
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  like, what are you doing here? Yeah? You remember that dinner?
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  Yeah, I wasn't a good okay, I will be well. Wow.
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  Also, she has a little bit of your Ramona there at the end.
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  Do you remember that? Do you remember? And the Sun the Sun does
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  the best they can to transcribe some of the lines like I'm sorry that was
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  rude. We were just wondering how you are and I don't know what that
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  rude thing was that she said they brought up a party from the past that
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  cost them so much money. We wrote you a really nice when Tamar fell
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  off the chair. Yeah, because Shannon was calling him. That's what she
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  said was rude that she would react that way. It is so funny,
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  like, you know, this was meant for him to be like, I'm
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  being harassed and this is like this, this is giving me jerky boys level
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  entertainment and I still can't understand what they're saying. And it's so funny,
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  like the fact that the three of them are together and not filming, right,
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  you know what I mean, They're not filming and they're like, let's
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  do something fucking nuts. Yeah, after the trace of Vegas down at the
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  Irvine improv by going I mean, that's what I was wondering, was that
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  when it happened, and then VICKI like starts up right wherever she left off
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  with him privately. Yeah, it's like, didn't you discuss this, like
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  now you're bringing this up. I mean I love that she's getting it off
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  her chest. I think she should. These are great points. Why who's
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  the big next to be? When you're the big Janis? Also Janis is
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  her name. Her name is Janice. I had no idea. I mean,
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  that's just a fun name to say. As Vicky gun Wills with jedis
• 26:06
  okay, jedis you with Jednis? I can't believe this? And then was
• 26:10
  like jet jetas jen Us and Shannon's like jet Jannish did they need it?
• 26:15
  Tennis ennis? And then this whole story about Shannon being like I went to
• 26:22
  Shakramana with you and oh no, that was that was Oh god, I
• 26:27
  can't tell him apart that was Vicky, but like Shannon going into something like
• 26:32
  when I like we walked into the restaurant, Remember that? Do you remember
• 26:34
  that? Do you remember that? It's like, are you Chris Farley?
• 26:38
  Do you remember? Do you remember that? It's a fucking voicemail Shannon.
• 26:44
  He's not gonna answer or say anything. This was really funny. It's so
• 26:52
  funny. Oh my, Vicky's probably had this conversation. I'm gonna say,
• 26:56
  She's probably asks Steve or talk to him about this probably one thousand times.
• 27:02
  Like I can't imagine this is the first time she's getting it off her chess.
• 27:11
  Absolutely, CKY's doing great. Yeah, I think this trace amigas thing
• 27:15
  that's bringing them together. I love it. More prank calls, I say,
• 27:18
  more prank calls and send them all to the sun so we can get
• 27:22
  the proper story about it. I'm gonna say, that's not a prank call.
• 27:26
  That is just a straight up call. Right, Yeah, that's a
• 27:30
  good point. That is not a prank. I mean unless that was you
• 27:33
  calling him with doing all three women. That's very possible. We take a
• 27:37
  lot in editing. I would have to edit a lot. The overlapping would
• 27:41
  be intense, but I could pull it off. I could pull it off.
• 27:48
  Yeah, well it was. It was an excellent call, and I
• 27:52
  think Sieve. I don't like him, but I appreciate that he shared it
• 27:56
  with us. All right, let's get into our real Housewise and more County
• 28:00
  recap. Oh but duh oh thanks baby Dwarder. So wellily, we're still
• 28:08
  in Montana. We love this cast trip. We love this ranch, Alpine
• 28:15
  Falls Ranch, which I have noted. It's on my list of places that
• 28:21
  the housewives have gone. I've been like, yes, I will do this,
• 28:23
  must want to do this. And the two ranchers that helped them cook
• 28:30
  over the open fire were just they were us. You know what, I
• 28:33
  mean like, yes, we never get to hear the caterers or the hired
• 28:41
  chef have a solid opinion on something, but those pioneer women were like exactly
• 28:48
  how I would the hell is going like, They're like, you want to
• 28:52
  check on that ship show? Yeah, It's like, dang these gals,
• 28:56
  and I'm just so curious. I want to hear more from them. I
• 29:00
  feel like they should be in every episode, just helping them in some way.
• 29:03
  Oh, we're going to get into this mine. Yeah, just breaking
• 29:07
  all the rules in Orange County. And they were great. I love that
• 29:14
  they were camping. That was a fun twist. We did pick up with
• 29:18
  the Heather and Taylor fight with them fighting over a Heather's acting career and Taylor
• 29:25
  being like, I didn't talk shit about your career and I believe you're the
• 29:27
  one. Tamra said that she hasn't done anything since the nineteen hundreds and Tama
• 29:34
  being like the nineteen nineties, and then the flashback of them cackling over Tamra's
• 29:41
  joke about the nineteen hundreds. Nineteen hundreds. Yes, she did say that.
• 29:45
  I mean I think she tripped into it as a joke, but she
• 29:48
  didn't remember that that was a thing, and that was hilarious, and then
• 29:52
  Taylor I liked that. She was like, I don't want this to be
• 29:56
  a thing. I'm being really sincere, and like, you know, we
• 29:59
  were fine, and then little miss cowboy hat over here stirred it up,
• 30:03
  and my god, Tamra, she is a whirling dervish from beginning to end
• 30:08
  in this episode. You know, from the beginning of the cast trip to
• 30:11
  the end of this episode, just she just you know, does a little
• 30:15
  hurricane all around, stirring things up and then being like I want to move
• 30:19
  forward. I just I don't want to do this. But it's like everything.
• 30:22
  She's such a freaking professional, it's unbelievable. She is truly an iconic,
• 30:29
  pressional hurricane, a professional hurricane. Hurricane Tamra coming in, she's got
• 30:34
  a business card. Oh my gosh. And then that sidebar of Tamra and
• 30:37
  Heather in the bathroom, and then Heather basically asks her, well, were
• 30:44
  you rude about me? And then she's like, no, I didn't say
• 30:45
  anything, Shane dismissive about you. Tell Us said you're dismissive. Tell Us
• 30:49
  said, you put it on the hunt, and You're like, you put
• 30:53
  left the scratch on the table and you're like, you're so cute, And
• 30:57
  I was like, wow, Tamra, you were just throwing Taylor under the
• 31:00
  buzz left and right, as if you had nothing to do with this.
• 31:03
  It's amazing. And she's still so likable, you know, she's so likable
• 31:08
  while she's doing it. It's it's incredible and so well. Yeah, I
• 31:15
  also was like, I didn't know why Tama didn't own it a little bit
• 31:18
  more because she did. She did say some shady shit and just like she
• 31:23
  usually owns it, and I was surprised she didn't. Do you think she
• 31:26
  just legit doesn't remember. I am confused about that too. I know she
• 31:30
  should have been like I may have been sucostic, but it wasn't like men
• 31:36
  because now when Heather, you know, watches it back, she's going to
• 31:38
  be like, you kind of were stirring it up with Taylor, and now
• 31:41
  you're stirring up with me to get at Taylor. So she's left some fingerprints
• 31:48
  and I think she could have admitted a little something. Yeah, we'll see.
• 31:52
  I think that's all going to come out in the reunion, but it
• 31:56
  will be nothing. It will be nothing because Tamra and Heather are tight,
• 32:00
  and they're gonna forgive Tamra because she's so good at what she does. She
• 32:05
  knows how to skate so easily on that fine line of like stirring it up
• 32:09
  and still being somehow, you know, owning her shit because like in the
• 32:15
  scene with Jen, she's like, you are like that is how you are,
• 32:20
  Like you don't know what the truth is, like you have a weird
• 32:22
  relationship with like with the truth. So she does call it out. She
• 32:25
  is on it and owns up to stuff pretty intensely in times, and then
• 32:30
  other times she kind of skates right by it. So she also went in
• 32:34
  on Gina for doing what Tamara does, like Gina pulling Heather aside to recap
• 32:38
  in the barn and just kind of check on Heather, but also to like
• 32:44
  lay it out for heaven is to why it's not over, and that's a
• 32:49
  Tamra move. And then Tamra's like, oh my god, Gina, I
• 32:52
  know, why are you getting in I know, why are you getting involved
• 32:55
  in this? It's like because I'm because I'm on this show and trying getting
• 33:00
  he Like she was really turning up the Amy Phillips this episode. I couldn't
• 33:06
  believe like how I was like, this isn't even how you talk, Gina,
• 33:10
  Like really, but you're just doing Amy Phillips right now. I did
• 33:15
  love I loved me some Gina in this episode. She was I couldn't.
• 33:20
  I was like, I can't even do that now, like you're really,
• 33:23
  I can't even do that. It's like when everybody would do the George Bush
• 33:30
  George w impression that Will Ferrell did. That's that became everybody's impression. Now
• 33:34
  Gina's just doing Amy Phillips impression. I'm here for it. I'm here for
• 33:38
  it. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I did love that Tamra and
• 33:44
  Shannon had their fun moments. They're throwing gummy bears, Shannon's kissing Tarmra with
• 33:50
  her tongue, Tamera tackle Shannon with the emoji underwear, then Sasbrella Shannon gets
• 33:55
  behind the bar again. They do shots and tam is past that Jen was
• 34:00
  pro tailor, and then they tell Shannon about how Ryan cheated and uh,
• 34:09
  I mean kind of on Jen. Heather's like, well, it's like all
• 34:13
  ross and Rachel thinks so they were on a break, but Tarma seems to
• 34:16
  think it was more than that. Jen called Tamra and said Ryan cheated on
• 34:22
  me, and Tamra said to her, why are you staying with him?
• 34:27
  And then Tamra goes on to tell these ladies that Ryan is the town whore.
• 34:32
  I mean, this guy is like they're friends, like they go on
• 34:36
  a couple a couple of dates, and now Tamara is completely turned on him,
• 34:38
  which I am so here for. She's like, he's the town whore.
• 34:42
  My friend Heather told me that Ryan walked into the gym, pointed at
• 34:45
  me and said I'm gonna f her. And Heather said, no, you're
• 34:49
  not. She's married to Eddie and they own this chum and he said watch
• 34:55
  me, I'm gonna f her. And then two months later he was with
• 34:59
  Jen. Now, Heather Dubro says, I think once a cheater, always
• 35:04
  a cheater. Do you subscribe to that way of thinking? Emily? I
• 35:07
  think you. I think we've discussed a little bit of this, and I
• 35:12
  will say I do not. I do not. I do not. I
• 35:15
  think that you can evolve as a person. Now, do I think some
• 35:21
  people are once always? Yes? I will say not once always, but
• 35:29
  like two times three times, yeah, always, until they at anything three
• 35:36
  times, and once you try something three times, you're always Yeah. I
• 35:39
  mean, I think the percentage of like, once a cheater, always a
• 35:43
  cheater is like ninety percent, you know what I mean, eighty five ninety
• 35:50
  I don't. I mean, I get I only because, like I think,
• 35:55
  I've just seen enough people do like dumb things, especially when they're younger,
• 36:01
  that they would never they would like not do again. They value things
• 36:07
  differently, and I do think, yeah, Ryan and Jen are not kids,
• 36:13
  but I I or even like I think you know their twenties, they're
• 36:17
  beyond their mistake phase of life. But that said, you can still make
• 36:22
  mistakes, and if you make one, like I don't, I will go
• 36:28
  back to what I stand by. Ryan, I think, yes, always
• 36:32
  a cheater, Jen, I think no, cheated once wouldn't be okay,
• 36:36
  right, good point. That's interesting. I think that if you are over
• 36:42
  the age of twenty five and you've cheated, then once a cheater, always
• 36:46
  a cheater. If you're younger than twenty five, then I say anything's possible.
• 36:52
  I wouldn't put you in that category just because are you and are you
• 36:57
  saying marriage cheater or boyfriend girlfriend boyfriend girlfriend cheater because typically at friend girlfriend,
• 37:04
  boyfriend, Yeah, yeah, partner partner cheating, I would say, yeah,
• 37:09
  no, if you're just just partners and not married and you're still willing
• 37:15
  to cheat, you're willing to go against a commitment. So if you're under
• 37:20
  the age of twenty, I'm just making it something as I go along with
• 37:22
  twenty five, I mean, twenty five, you've just been able to run
• 37:27
  a car, So I think your brain and that is crazy to me that
• 37:32
  rental car companies know your brain isn't fully formal until twenty five. But like,
• 37:38
  why don't we have the rental car companies run the country because they seem
• 37:44
  to know what's up. They get it, they get it. So I'm
• 37:47
  gonna say after thirty two, because wow, you may have because here's why
• 37:55
  you may have gotten into a relationship when you were younger than twenty five,
• 38:01
  and it took you till thirty two, all right to really negotiate with you.
• 38:06
  And I'm gonna say thirty. I'm going to say thirty. I'm really
• 38:10
  going on on my comfort zone here. But I think because because now as
• 38:14
  a society, we don't like get things out of our system and we don't
• 38:19
  settle down into who we are until we're thirty. I feel like that's the
• 38:22
  cutoff. And if you haven't figured it out by thirty, I'm not going
• 38:27
  to give you the thirty two. I can't give you those two years.
• 38:29
  I'm going to stop at thirty. I'm going to say you're get you're very
• 38:32
  thirty. You are excited about turning thirty. Think it's gonna be great.
• 38:37
  You're gonna give that relationship that you've been in too long another try, and
• 38:45
  then thirty two. I'll give you thirty one. Can we can we get
• 38:49
  a thirty one? Can't give you? I can't. Oh God, that's
• 38:52
  really pushing me. Can't we just stop at a decade? I mean,
• 38:54
  it seems like the decade is really where. See, people don't give enough.
• 39:00
  We don't pay enough attention to numbers between one and five, and we
• 39:04
  shouldn't and we should call you. Ask the rental car companies they twenty five.
• 39:09
  See it's not twenty four, it's not twenty one. Well listen,
• 39:15
  listen. Why don't we just plan on ourmies? Okay, I'm gonna compromise
• 39:20
  because I came up five years. I came up five years. I came
• 39:23
  from twenty and a half, thirty and a half, take it or leave
• 39:27
  it all right, thirty and a half. I'll take it. I'll take
• 39:30
  it all right. So meanwhile, back at the ranch, Gina, Gina
• 39:35
  and Joe with the Lassus. This is at nighttime, and Jen and Gina
• 39:39
  are looks like they're getting along. Taylor with this. This phone case is
• 39:45
  really I I don't know if anybody noticed this, but I can't with this
• 39:51
  phone case. It's one of those phone cases where you have but you open
• 39:54
  it up, it's like a pocket book. Yeah, I have one of
• 39:58
  those. It's fine in your real life, but if you're gonna be on
• 40:01
  TV, you can't have that thing fucking flopping around with your credit cards hanging
• 40:07
  out, and you coming into the room like you're just reading a Bible verse
• 40:10
  and closing your Bible and then entering a scene. I can't you look like
• 40:15
  you're there's too much business going on, Taylor. I need you to get
• 40:19
  a simple phone case and put your pocketbook away. I can't see that pocketbook
• 40:23
  flapping around with your MasterCard and your American Express. It's very distracting. I'm
• 40:29
  looking to see if I can see the numbers I can't. I can't.
• 40:32
  I can't, I can't, I can't. Just is it more distracting than
• 40:37
  seeing the cracked screens? You see that crackscreen on Housewives. I'm like,
• 40:44
  is everything okay? I know, because I'm like, you have the money,
• 40:47
  I know it's forty bucks. Get a screen like the screen glass my
• 40:52
  screen, Uh, the cover, the screen glass cover is cracked. But
• 40:57
  if I was on a reality show, I'd have a stack of those to
• 41:00
  keep my screen that crack stack. Are we stacking? Yes? I do
• 41:06
  think that the screen crack is that that's very much like a Catherine from Southern
• 41:12
  Charm. That's like, uh, maybe a Kristen Dodie that's like a there's
• 41:16
  a lot that's like a Schwartz. That's definitely your life is in shambles,
• 41:22
  you know. Yeah, but I've seen wives. I think that I remember
• 41:24
  like Theresa. I think I can't remember who I saw that. I was
• 41:30
  like, really, wow, huh that does say a lot. Yeah,
• 41:36
  so I guess. But I'm with you, Taylor, especially she she can't
• 41:42
  be accidentally flashing credit cards. Well, that's the thing. I don't care.
• 41:47
  I'm back, Taylor. It's something gripped, scrapped, hanging out of
• 41:57
  her phone. Casey, she did something so tailor this episode where oh god,
• 42:08
  this was in the deleted scenes, but when she uh or the never
• 42:12
  before oh wait scenes, hold on, let's get into that before we get
• 42:15
  into the deleted scenes thing. I want to take a quick break. Okay,
• 42:28
  So let's talk about the deleted scenes. So I didn't see this because
• 42:30
  I didn't watch the Peacock version, but Emily did, So what did you
• 42:34
  see in the Peacock version that I didn't see? So it's weird that this
• 42:39
  was a deleted scene. This should have been in the show. Taylor is
• 42:43
  approached by the twenty five year old cowboy Jonah, who's not ironically dressed like
• 42:49
  a nineteen ninety three country star, and she says, they're kind of weirdly
• 42:52
  flirting, and she said, I'm all, I don't enough to be I'm
• 42:57
  viewing your impression. I'm all enough to be your mother, And and he's
• 43:00
  like, oh shooks dirdrder and then and then Taylor out of nowhere twenty feet
• 43:07
  aways Gina and how they're talking amongst themselves not a part of this, and
• 43:12
  Taylor out of nowhere is like, and Heather is definitely old enough to be
• 43:15
  your mother, and Heather was like, whoa what, Oh my gosh,
• 43:22
  it was so Taylor, like just like oblivious, like oblivious to how insulting
• 43:29
  she can be. Yeah, I forgot that part of her, but I
• 43:35
  didn't realize that existed either. She does not get it, does she?
• 43:39
  No? She did it recently on The Girl's the whatever, the Girl's Trip
• 43:46
  ALTI yeah, trip thing. She did something a little bit similar to that
• 43:50
  where she kind of she kept weirdly inserting her drama into shit, but then
• 43:57
  and then like thought she was joking, but it was weird and this Heather
• 44:00
  thing was fucking weird and I don't know why it wasn't in the regular episode
• 44:06
  on Bravo. It was so that's so strange. Meanwhile, Big Other looks
• 44:10
  way younger than Taylor. I'm sorry to say, I don't. I don't
• 44:15
  mean to age shame or like face sprinkle shame, but like, Heather looks
• 44:22
  way better than she looks very young. I would also say, like Heather
• 44:27
  just I don't even know, like, yes, I agree that she looks
• 44:30
  amazing. She also just vibes younger, like her vibe is you see how
• 44:37
  she was chopping that wood and lassuing she last so that Champagne. That was
• 44:40
  hilarious. I love that. She was like, put it on my IMDb.
• 44:45
  That was a very funny line, very funny line. Also like Gina
• 44:51
  imdd imdd oh my god. Yeah she she right, she was on fire.
• 44:55
  I like that she was. When Taylor was talking to them at nine,
• 45:00
  She's like, do you think Tama was dishing on me in the bathroom
• 45:04
  or whatever she said? And Gina's like, to me, it looks like
• 45:07
  you're taking the heat when you're not the one that said anything. Whoa.
• 45:12
  Look, I was like, geez, how do you go to bed at
• 45:16
  night? Aren't you exhausted from this delivery? It's amazing. I also want
• 45:24
  to correct something that my theory from the previous I actually think that Gina legit
• 45:35
  cares. I actually think that. So you're saying that Gina cares. I
• 45:43
  think she legit is judging Jen. I think she legit cares. I think
• 45:47
  it's not just something to be create a fight with a new wife to stay
• 45:52
  relevant. I think she like legit cares about Jen's marriage falling apart because of
• 46:00
  an affair. Well, I think she legit is triggered and is in pain.
• 46:05
  I don't I mean, I don't know how she feels. I think
• 46:07
  that she feels sad about Jen's marriage, falling about falling apart, and feels
• 46:13
  bad about the kids. But it's more about Gina and her pain. And
• 46:17
  this is a side of Heather which I haven't seen in a really long time,
• 46:22
  which I actually really liked when they had the big blowout when you know,
• 46:27
  when the Pioneer women were to the side and it was dark out and
• 46:30
  Heather they got in the truck. Yes, Heather followed Gina and saw Gina
• 46:37
  trying to FaceTime Travis immediately because she was crying. And Heather was like,
• 46:42
  this is not a Travis moment. And I thought, well, what does
• 46:46
  she mean by that? Is this just like because she you know, this
• 46:50
  is we're on a girl's trip and whatever. But I think that her point
• 46:53
  was so valid and very wise, which is like, you don't have to
• 46:58
  talk to Travis about this because it's not fair to him. And I think
• 47:00
  that you've got some work to do. You know, he's not your therapist.
• 47:05
  And I am all for, like, you know, your partner being
• 47:07
  there for you through thick and thin and Obviously, I'm sure Travis has been
• 47:12
  there for Gina when it comes to her ax and what she's been through,
• 47:15
  so it's not like he hasn't been there for her through all of this.
• 47:19
  But I think that Heather it has an excellent point, which is that,
• 47:22
  like, if you are triggered and it's bringing up pain from your ex husband
• 47:30
  and what he did to you, maybe he really isn't the best thing to
• 47:32
  do to call your current partner and rely on him for that, and you
• 47:37
  should do some inner healing. And this is what happens when and I'm not
• 47:42
  saying that that I don't think that I'm I don't want to come down on
• 47:46
  Gina for getting into a relationship so quickly with Travis and their blended family,
• 47:52
  but this is a perfect example of when you get into a relationship very fast
• 47:58
  after coming out of something very traumatic and a relationship that you've been in for
• 48:01
  a very long time, and you don't fully heal, although you may never
• 48:06
  fully heal, but you didn't get yourself to a place you know where you're
• 48:10
  like you can take these hits or be triggered and handle it like so there
• 48:15
  is something to be said about when you rebound, And it seems like there
• 48:20
  is a rebound aspect in Gina's relationship with Travis. Not that it's not real
• 48:23
  or that they don't love each other, because they do and they're doing an
• 48:27
  amazing job with all their kids. But this is really a tricky situation because
• 48:31
  it happened very quickly. I mean, yeah, and it's not about her
• 48:36
  pining for her ex. I don't think that's what's going on here life,
• 48:39
  you know. It's more just like I think she just wants constant reassurance from
• 48:44
  Travis, maybe that it's not going to happen again, and her way of
• 48:49
  getting that reassurance is calling him in these moments and talking about the old situation
• 48:55
  just so maybe she can hear how he would handle it or how he's never
• 49:00
  going to do that. Like she's like, but that's exhausting for Travis.
• 49:05
  I'm sure it's it's exhausting for her to have to go there. So,
• 49:08
  yeah, she clearly needs to maybe get some cognitive tools for those triggers.
• 49:15
  Well, her husband, you know, stepped out on her during the relationship
• 49:20
  and then it ended, you know, with some abuse and and I don't
• 49:24
  know what the story was throughout the relationship if there was abuse during the relationship,
• 49:29
  but there certainly was at the end there because she made that statement and
• 49:31
  everything. But and it is truly commendable what she's been through and how they
• 49:37
  have navigated their way through it and in the public eye, and that she's
• 49:42
  still on television and that she made her her victim statement, and that she's
• 49:51
  still co parenting with him, and like they're just doing such a great job
• 49:57
  considering all the damage that has been done. And I would imagine that,
• 50:00
  like it gets exhausting, and then having to balance this new relationship with her
• 50:06
  kids and his kids and a blended family. There's like, yeah, I
• 50:10
  get that, but it's really unfair to Jen because Jen is not Gina's X
• 50:19
  and so every situation is different. And I feel like I loved how Jen's
• 50:25
  took up for herself and honored Gina's like emotions about it. She did that
• 50:34
  really well. Yeah, And I'm also like, you know, there,
• 50:39
  Jen is also going through some stuff, but like why, Like I feel
• 50:44
  like Gina's kind of putting some of her wrath of her ex. It's misdirected.
• 50:51
  It's on this stranger basically, so maybe she thinks, yeah, and
• 50:57
  maybe part of Gina is like, this feels good to get this anger out.
• 51:05
  And by the way, I will, like, I don't know if
• 51:07
  she's I think this might be subconsciously by the way, I'm encouraged to get
• 51:12
  rage out in this platform i e. Bravo Housewives, so I'm gonna lean
• 51:17
  into this, but I don't think it's intentional. I think she legit has
• 51:22
  to get some rage out, and Jen's gonna be like an not an innocent
• 51:27
  bystander, but you metaphoric punching bag in a way. Yeah, yeah,
• 51:31
  I mean Gina did. She was very honest with Jen, which I appreciated
• 51:36
  because part of me thinks, like, storyline wise, it wasn't going the
• 51:39
  way that perhaps it could have, which is that Gina, Jen wasn't responding
• 51:46
  to Gina in a way that she was being combative back. And then that
• 51:51
  I think brought the best out of Gina by saying, like, I'm just
• 51:53
  being honest with you, like this is really hard for me to be around
• 51:58
  and to like to with you because I just disagree so wholeheartedly. And like
• 52:02
  you said, Jen just handled that quite beautifully. She was very respectful of
• 52:07
  Gina and what she's gone through and that it was, and she was so
• 52:10
  thankful to her for coming to her like that, and it's just too bad
• 52:16
  that at the end, you know, Gina was like, but I can't,
• 52:20
  I can't. I can't do this, you know. And and I
• 52:22
  understand that too, because like her point being, just because you didn't sleep
• 52:28
  with him while you before you, you know, cut it off with your
• 52:30
  husband, the fact that you had an emotional affair, you were in a
• 52:35
  car receiving a gift from another man, like that is already betrayal. That
• 52:42
  already is an affair, in my opinion, and we can't and I don't
• 52:45
  want to condone that. And Gina couldn't handle it. I get what she's
• 52:47
  saying. And like the five kids thing is really hard to wrap your mind
• 52:52
  around too. Like that's where I get a little bit, probably because I've
• 52:57
  listened to so much doctor Laura, but like that, that's where I get
• 53:00
  to the point where I'm like, why are you doing this? Why are
• 53:02
  you with another man? Like why did you just leave your husband? Like,
• 53:07
  just leave your husband if you're not happy and start start from scratch.
• 53:12
  But like respect your kids enough to not all of a sudden just go and
• 53:15
  be so super indulgent with your love. And I feel like I feel like
• 53:22
  very conservative with that opinion. But it's because of I get worried about kids
• 53:30
  and their stability, and like, you know, all of a sudden,
• 53:31
  there's this guy and I and I who is apparently this huge you know,
• 53:37
  the townhore, and I get worried about like the kids being drawn into this,
• 53:42
  and now like, yeah, is he gonna cheat on Jen a one
• 53:44
  hundred percent? You know, this is really scary for And then I get
• 53:47
  worried about the kids. So that's where I do feel like I lean towards
• 53:52
  Gina in that regard, but it's too much of her baggage on that.
• 53:55
  It's just for me, it's just an opinion. I would still be able
• 53:58
  to hang with Jen and still have that opinion and not be triggered. I
• 54:02
  would just be like, this is gonna you know, I feel concerned.
• 54:06
  I feel concerned for the kids. Yeah, of course I feel concerned for
• 54:09
  the kids. And like with even like Kylo Mauricio, like I feel bad
• 54:15
  for Portia. She's fifteen, She's still got a couple of years left and
• 54:19
  you know, of living at home, Like I always feel bad for the
• 54:22
  kids in that, And I think, like, I don't I don't know
• 54:28
  how you negotiate out of a of a marriage and not think about that.
• 54:34
  I just think as pissed as and betrayed as Gina feels like she has got
• 54:44
  to loosen the grip on gen because she's gonna like punch her in the face.
• 54:49
  Yeah, because it's like Jen is not the poster child of divorce and
• 54:54
  affairs and Gina's treating her like that. Meanwhile, like like it happens all
• 55:00
  the time, right's representation of that and it's in her face and it's plain
• 55:07
  as day. It's like, here you have he's kind of a playboy,
• 55:10
  you know, and she's with this playboy. She's not with some guy who's
• 55:14
  like a I don't know, I don't know what he's like, but he
• 55:17
  doesn't seem like the kind of guy that's ready, who is prioritizing you know,
• 55:23
  family, and you know, like why is he going after a woman
• 55:27
  who's married? Like so it shows a little bit about his integrity and like
• 55:31
  why are you pursuing a woman who is married? So that is a huge
• 55:35
  red flag. Like and what he said about Tamra, he's she's married to
• 55:40
  Eddie and he's like, watch me, you know, and I'm a lot
• 55:43
  of people can change in two months. What do you mean, I'm joking?
• 55:46
  Oh, two months before they started dating. Oh okay, so that's
• 55:52
  the thing, you know. And and forgen to not like see that and
• 55:58
  just be so naive to this fool to me is where I have an issue.
• 56:04
  I'm like, I do like the way that she handled it, and
• 56:07
  she's like, I look, this is my journey and this is my life
• 56:09
  and I'm not perfect and all this stuff like that I applaud, but at
• 56:13
  the end of the day, come on, like this is ridiculous, Like
• 56:16
  you your husband lives in another state, you're gonna come down here, You're
• 56:21
  gonna get a divorce, and now you have five kids that are not older
• 56:25
  and you're gonna try to navigate this situation with this new man who's a total
• 56:30
  playboy's there's so many red flags around it, and this is just I feel
• 56:34
  like I'm watching someone make very stupid mistakes, very stupid decisions, and so
• 56:39
  for that I can't like, I'm like, that's just stupid. You don't
• 56:45
  think I know, we don't know his side, but like I think it's
• 56:49
  kind of weird that Will is like, yeah, go ahead and move my
• 56:53
  all the kids with you. Yeah, I think maybe Will listen. So
• 57:00
  awesome, it's not you know, I we don't know what was going on
• 57:02
  there. That's really Yeah, maybe there's a lot of okay, maybe there's
• 57:07
  a lot of secrets and things that she's not willing to say at this point
• 57:13
  that's going on, but it is strange that she did get choked up and
• 57:16
  she's like, it's really sad, like I loved this man. I loved
• 57:20
  him for so long and it's really sad. It is sad. Mm hmm.
• 57:25
  It doesn't have to be, it doesn't have specific fixed Yeah. So
• 57:32
  I don't know, but I I I don't. I I don't want to
• 57:37
  like give her a scarlet letter and make her like I do, do a
• 57:42
  walk of shame. I'm kidding, I'm kidding shame. No, I don't.
• 57:46
  I absolutely don't either. I just think that she's making really stupid choices
• 57:52
  with this man who clearly is, like Tamra said, the town horror,
• 57:57
  like That's what I'm concerned about. And nothing kid, and we know her
• 58:00
  season two arc it's going to be getting over Ryan, so she'll at least
• 58:05
  get another season because it is not going to last. So what do we
• 58:09
  think about about Tamra and like all this stuff with her talking about like bringing
• 58:16
  up well, okay, so Tamra and Gina kind of go through that thing.
• 58:22
  We already talked about that, and then Tama's like, Gina, goodbye,
• 58:23
  go away, and then actually Gina saying to Heather, am I inserting
• 58:30
  myself? I was actually really surprised that Heather kind of checked her on that.
• 58:34
  She's like, well, checking me on checking on me is great,
• 58:37
  but you kind of made it out to be like there's a pattern, and
• 58:40
  I thought, wow, I thought Heather didn't have Gina's back in that at
• 58:44
  all. And I was really a shot like that. I did not like
• 58:45
  that either, because there is a pattern here because Tamra is coming back on
• 58:51
  a show and she's got to stir shit up. So she is going after
• 58:54
  Gina. She is throwing punches towards towards Emily, and she is stirring things
• 59:00
  up with Jen like she's doing it all over the place. It's Hurricane Tamra.
• 59:06
  But like that's what we love about her. But Gina's speaking the truth
• 59:08
  here. So for nether to protect that. I thought that was a weird
• 59:12
  choice, that was so weird, and she totally threw Gina under the bus,
• 59:15
  and I felt bad for Gina in that moment because Gina was just like
• 59:22
  totally alone for trying to do the right thing. I was just like,
• 59:25
  man, Heather, that's that's some dude brow shit, doom brow. I
• 59:34
  just don't like that. I don't know. I couldn't believe she couldn't read
• 59:38
  that better. I know, I was surprised. It's a surprise. Yeah.
• 59:43
  Tamra says finally to Jen that she has some built up resentments because Ryan
• 59:47
  walked in the gym for the very first time and looked at me and says,
• 59:51
  I'm going to f her. And Jen's response was perfect because she's like,
• 59:54
  well, why haven't we had this conversation, which is what we will
• 59:58
  always say, like, oh, you're waiting till we're on a show to
• 1:00:00
  have this conversation. And I thought Tamra's reaction was interesting because she goes because
• 1:00:05
  it's disgusting and because my husband doesn't know, and I was like, oh
• 1:00:08
  my gosh, so Eddie doesn't know. She hid this from Eddie, So
• 1:00:12
  that's really the reason. Yeah, and I thought, okay, well that
• 1:00:15
  makes sense. So then she's like, well, how would you feel if
• 1:00:19
  you had to keep it quiet? And Jen's like, well, I never
• 1:00:21
  said you had to keep anything quiet. Will already knew. I'm the one
• 1:00:23
  who went home. I'm the one who told Will. And then Tara's like,
• 1:00:29
  well's shout out to the Park of Lot and cut you two. And
• 1:00:31
  She's like, you're so wrong about that. And then Tara's like, Okay,
• 1:00:35
  tell me how I'm wrong, because now we're on the show, so
• 1:00:37
  now we get to like we've gotten that, we've gotten the meat out of
• 1:00:39
  you, so like here we are, and I thought, God, Tamra
• 1:00:44
  can she just plays so good, like she's such a professional. Blows my
• 1:00:46
  mind. And then Jen talks about how she opened up her business and they
• 1:00:51
  had a party. Will was there, he didn't stay long. He left.
• 1:00:52
  Ryan was at dinner with his friends and then he said he had a
• 1:00:55
  gift for her and where was she? So she left. Ryan give her
• 1:01:00
  the gift, which we don't know what that was, which I think was
• 1:01:02
  a dick in a box, but whatever, and then at that point he
• 1:01:07
  I guess she didn't even at this point she hadn't held Ryan's hand, but
• 1:01:13
  that night she said that she was done maybe obviously with Will. What I
• 1:01:17
  thought was interesting is Shannon saying like, I don't advocate for infidelity, but
• 1:01:23
  if you, like, you have a lot at stake here. You've got
• 1:01:25
  five kids, and if you're gonna walk away from a marriage with five children,
• 1:01:31
  you better know that there's something there for you on the other side,
• 1:01:36
  which I thought was a very interesting point, especially coming from Shannon. Yeah.
• 1:01:40
  Yeah, I thought that was interesting. And then I also realized that,
• 1:01:45
  like, uh, Ryan probably goes after a lot of married people,
• 1:01:52
  and I think that's his move, like the end. And I think the
• 1:01:54
  game is kind of over now with Jen, especially after that that FaceTime that
• 1:02:01
  was in the dark and she called him and and he's like, oh,
• 1:02:06
  you can't see me. And I'm like, oh, this motherfucker. Why
• 1:02:09
  you think he was at somebody else's house? I yeah, why? I
• 1:02:14
  mean, how hard is it to turn a light on even if you're in
• 1:02:16
  bed, Like, come on, dude, really? Wow, wow,
• 1:02:21
  Emily, I mean, that's I bet. I think everyone was probably thinking
• 1:02:27
  you weren't thinking that. No, I was. At first, I was
• 1:02:29
  like, that's shady because the way they edited it, it was interesting because
• 1:02:31
  it was like, we're painting him out to be this cheater and then she
• 1:02:35
  calls him and he's in the total dark. Yeah. I was like,
• 1:02:37
  first, I just thought it was a good way of editing it. But
• 1:02:40
  I just thought, oh, he was probably sleeping, But I didn't really
• 1:02:44
  think. I think they made it look like he's sketchy, and he is,
• 1:02:49
  but I didn't really think he actually was like in the middle of cheating
• 1:02:52
  on her somewhere. Yeah. Well, and also to go back to Shannon,
• 1:02:57
  like I think like Shannon is just in a different place with her divorce
• 1:03:01
  and separation, and it was it was just a different in terms of comparing
• 1:03:07
  her to Gina, Like I think that Shannon is like not angry or as
• 1:03:15
  angry. Yes, it just goes to show that you can have a lot
• 1:03:17
  of growth and be in this place. And you know, her coming from
• 1:03:22
  a marriage that you know, disintegrated and they had their troubles and and for
• 1:03:27
  her to have that outlook was really I don't know, it did speak growth
• 1:03:30
  to me. I thought this was I didn't expect that from Shannon. Whether
• 1:03:34
  I agree with her or not, I thought that was amazing for her to
• 1:03:37
  say that, and and and also I thought it was interesting that Tamra and
• 1:03:40
  Jen had their heart to heart and Tamra saying, the bottom line is that
• 1:03:45
  I'm worried about you leaving your family and I don't want Ryan to cheat on
• 1:03:51
  you, and you know, and then oh, this whole thing about Heather
• 1:03:55
  said that he sent her a dick pic. And so I'm guessing and putting
• 1:03:59
  this together that this was on Snapchat, not like overtext. Yeah, and
• 1:04:03
  I think that Jen realized in that moment that this is a different dick pic,
• 1:04:10
  but wasn't giving that up on camera to Tamera, because if you watch
• 1:04:15
  her face and she's explaining what it is, and then there's just like this
• 1:04:19
  wink of realization. H and she like, like it's gonna be impossible for
• 1:04:28
  Jen to admit that she's with a fucking idiot because she sacrificed everything. So
• 1:04:34
  she's gonna stand by him and explain crazy stuff away this entire like probably for
• 1:04:42
  another year, because like there's just too much at stake, and like she
• 1:04:47
  already is like a villain and she hates that. I think, so right,
• 1:04:59
  and and she has to know coming on a reality show, knowing that
• 1:05:01
  you've basically what you I don't. You're like, you know, she's just
• 1:05:09
  not smart. I think that she's kind of like I think she kind of
• 1:05:15
  gets it, but I don't think she really gets how deep I thought.
• 1:05:18
  I think she was like, I need to make a living. This is
• 1:05:23
  an amazing opportunity. I open a new business. One of my best friends
• 1:05:30
  is on the show, So it's just gonna be like us having so much
• 1:05:32
  fun. We have so much fun together, We're so crazy and having no
• 1:05:39
  idea that every skeleton in your closet is coming out. I don't care who
• 1:05:43
  you think you are, it's all going to come out. And I think
• 1:05:45
  she kind of came on naive, not realizing it's not just going to come
• 1:05:49
  out, it's going to come out episode three. I can't imagine that she
• 1:05:54
  would not know that, and that Tamra, well, first of all,
• 1:05:58
  that Tamra would be the one that would turn on her and I don't say
• 1:06:01
  exploit, but really serve this friend up on a silver platter and all her
• 1:06:06
  drama, like this is the whole point of it. And Tamra is there
• 1:06:11
  to do that. She's there to help push this story along. And I
• 1:06:15
  can't imagine Tamara not telling Jen upfront before she came on the show. Every
• 1:06:20
  skeleton that you have is comeing out of the class that I hope you're prepared.
• 1:06:24
  Like as a friend, I think that she would tell her that.
• 1:06:27
  I think Jen though, probably was like, yeah, okay, I'm ready
• 1:06:31
  to talk about Will, Like I think that's what it was, those skeletons.
• 1:06:38
  It wasn't like current Ryan is sending dick pics. Oh my god,
• 1:06:44
  okay, wow, because yeah, that was so sketchy. The dick pic
• 1:06:49
  situation's like, oh yeah, I knew about that. I was there.
• 1:06:53
  We were on a plane facing each other, and he meant to send it
• 1:06:56
  to me and then the only people on his snapchatter is kids and me,
• 1:07:00
  And like, why is Heather on his snapchat? What you accidentally said?
• 1:07:06
  I'm sorry, what if you sent that to one of your kids accidentally?
• 1:07:11
  Like you're not that careful on snapchat? This is oh so sketchy. It
• 1:07:16
  is the most sketchy. M Yeah, he's way too messy. Well.
• 1:07:24
  On a final note, Shannon can't unbuckle her belt and Taylor's like talking up
• 1:07:30
  a storm. I mean in a gym. Everybody knows that's going on in
• 1:07:33
  a gym, and then her saying like, oh, you're stuck in these,
• 1:07:38
  You're gonna piss You're gonna have to piss your pants. I mean,
• 1:07:41
  nothing makes me more anxious than being stuck in clothes. Like, if I'm
• 1:07:45
  trying to get out, I mean, my heart rate goes to one billion.
• 1:07:48
  I get that. Just watching that, I was like, I know,
• 1:07:51
  she's never gonna get out of those. She's never gonna get out of
• 1:07:54
  those. I love that. Taylor like took a knife and cut the belt
• 1:07:58
  loop. Yeah. And then in the there's a cut scene there cut fitness
• 1:08:01
  scene, the not not before scene, and that's them peeing, Shannon and
• 1:08:08
  Taylor, and Shannon's like like, she's like peeing loudly and very proud of
• 1:08:15
  her strong stream. Are you kidding me? I mean, I'm I'm exaggerated.
• 1:08:23
  That's a strong, strong stream. I'm peeing like a racehorse. I
• 1:08:29
  had to pee so bad. I grew up on boats. Meanwhile, She's
• 1:08:31
  like, I grew up on boats, and Emily's like, I grew up
• 1:08:33
  on acres of farm and she was past episode properly. Yeah, I grew
• 1:08:41
  up on property and horses. She's like I didn't. I didn't grow up
• 1:08:45
  on a ranch, but I had property. I had property. I grew
• 1:08:47
  up on property and boats and horses. She was rich. Her family was
• 1:08:54
  very rich. They had a lot of property. And yeah, this was
• 1:08:58
  very funny. I felt very sad that Emily couldn't be there. I did
• 1:09:02
  love finding out that Shane had a talk show on Cox's cable and when he
• 1:09:06
  was how did she like I would agree with Shane? How do you not
• 1:09:11
  know that Emily did not know that Shane I know, I've said it before,
• 1:09:15
  has done a twenty four for me. And if you didn't hear that
• 1:09:19
  pulling a twenty four was in the old TV show a good person or a
• 1:09:24
  bad person would become the opposite by the end of the season, and Shane
• 1:09:29
  has become the opposite. I like Shane so much now I used to hate
• 1:09:32
  him. I loved I know, and I told you I was here for
• 1:09:36
  Shane the beginning. I dipped out when he did the bread basket comment,
• 1:09:41
  but then I quickly got back on love Shane. How did you like those
• 1:09:45
  Emily's Weekly Department store ads and those pantyhose and white Wow tuxio Those were something
• 1:09:58
  to be gold. That was, yeah, some good stuff. I had
• 1:10:00
  a pause it because I was like, I guess it's pantyhose she's modeling.
• 1:10:05
  I mean, I guess that's what it is. It has to be.
• 1:10:09
  I mean, we saw that control top. I didn't have questions about Emily
• 1:10:15
  doing it. I had more questions about like the artistic direction of like this
• 1:10:19
  is how we're gonna sell some pantyhose. Guys gather around. Here's a lady
• 1:10:26
  in a man's tuxedo shirt, Like we're gonna have her squat and kick a
• 1:10:33
  leg out and then we're gonna sell a ton of these weekly. Oh boy,
• 1:10:45
  all right, well, I think I think we've definitely scratched the service
• 1:10:48
  on this episode. Yeah, ye, I mean, I think Orange County
• 1:10:55
  is doing great. They're very entertaining. I love the show. I don't
• 1:10:59
  know why they waited so long to show it. It's so good. I
• 1:11:03
  know, I know you need a hug, No, I do love those
• 1:11:11
  Orange County ladies. Well, darlings. If you're not following me on Patreon,
• 1:11:16
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• 1:11:25
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• 1:11:30
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