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#63 Nacho Marco on Project Quiver · Salish Wolf

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Welcome to Project Quiver, a father daughter journey across
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the globe to capture the artistry and spirit of the
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world's finest traditional bow carvers.
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I'm Todd, the father. Ella is my daughter.
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Together we're on a mission to create a stunning coffee table
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book that profiles more than a dozen master bow years and their
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unparalleled skill. For each chapter, we travel to
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the Bow Years workshop. Carve a bow under his guidance,
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photograph his woodcraft in detail and share his story here
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on the Salish Wolf Podcast. The book is called Quiver the
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Art of Life. Through Bow Craft and this
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journey, our living story is Project Quiver.
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All right, Nacho, it's great to meet you.
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Thank you for joining the podcast today.
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OK first of all excuse my my English which is a are we
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limited? And I need to and I I need to
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improve it so. No problem.
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Well, I, because I know English isn't your first language, I
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sent you a list of questions. So we're going to go through
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those questions and if there's anything else that comes up and
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you're not able to answer it, no problem.
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OK. So I'll begin with the first
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one, and these are not in really any particular order, but can
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you tell us how archery came into your life?
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OK, my relationship with wooden bows and arrows, that's back to
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when I was very young. I I grew up, grew up in the
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countryside and I always play with bows, arrows, swirls and
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the these objects. And I remember that the first
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bow I shoot with, where the first bows I shoot with were the
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ones my grandfathers made for me using brands and a string.
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I found this fascinating over the years.
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It keep me interested in using Golden.
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Bows OK, you live in Spain, so where in the countryside was
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that? I live in Terrell.
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That is a city of of a region of Aragon that in it's like a state
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of a region here in like Aragon is is like state of United
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States. And this region of Aragon have 3
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has three cities, Terrell, Farabova and Weska.
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And I live in the outside of Terrell.
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OK. And when did you begin bow
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carving? So the fact that my grandfather
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made me rudimentary vows awaken me in me the this year to have
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and use better vows. So this led me as a teenage
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teenagers to start researching bow making and at the age of 19
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I meet David, David and Pauline who would me, who would become
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me, my friend and my greatest influence in Bo, in Bo making.
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OK. Well that answers the next
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question of who have been your teachers in Bo carving?
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Have you had other teachers? Yeah, yeah.
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I started making Bo 11 years ago and during this time I have I
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have had several reference one of them.
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One of them is Alfonso Garcia Oliva, The Who, who makes
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musical instruments, nice women, bows and arrows, and whom I meet
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through his extensive activity on Spanish forums about
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bookmaking. Alfonso is a craft Craftsman
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here in Spain, in the in the north of Spain.
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My other my other Spanish reference has been Ajal de la
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Jabe who is a specialist in making senior Beckett bows and
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he lives in in the region of Catalonia, nearly of France
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outside of Spain. I have learned a lot by
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exchanging maze with Simon Sise who is the owner of Stonehill
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primitive Bose website. I think you you know who is he
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and but my main reference has been David Antolin.
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I took I took my first workshop with David as a student and he
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later become a great friend to me.
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Both his way of understanding life and his boss have had a
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great influence on on me and so if if it weren't for David, I
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wouldn't be here now and. Where does David live?
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In in Valencia in the, in the region of yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah. He he's he post a lot of
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mentioned or mentioned on on primitive hardship forum and it
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is he's a a new set of the forum.
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OK. And outside of Bo carving, what
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are your other interests? For the past year and a half Bo
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making has been my professional occupation, but outside of
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making I enjoy hunting with my dog Nora and playing playing the
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the drum in a little one. What?
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What do you hunt? Here in Spain, it's typical to
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hunt when a way to hunt is with dog hunting different types of
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birds. So you go in the mountain and
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the and the dog mark the the piece, the piece mark the the
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the bears and the dog mark the bears stay stand quite stand.
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I don't know. Still.
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Yeah, the dog works exactly. And you prepare with a shotgun
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and when the when the birds fly, you should it's very typical
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here in in Spain, This this way of hand, this way of hunting
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net. I also I also start to hunting
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with bow but I still have enough time to to start and hunt with
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with bow because science I I am working full time of bow making.
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I need a lot of arts on a day to to to work.
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Yes. How has archery and bow carving
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impacted or changed your life? OK.
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In general trends bow making has not brought about any major
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changes in my life. I could say that the reason I
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make bows is because of this the oh it's because of the lifestyle
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I have always wanted to have. I have always wanted to live in
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a slow peace by safely lifes close to nature and luckily bow
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making fits in perfectly with with that.
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It is true that in local other traits there are no there are no
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neversal laws in bow making, at least at least not many.
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So when you make a bowl, there comes a point when it is no
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longer known to take measurements and you have to
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make decisions. Basset Basset in based on what
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you see with your own ace and in this point, bow making has an
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artistic side that forced you to develop many aspects relate to
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decision making and gaining self-confidence.
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And as I said, I have questions laid out for you, so might seem
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like I'm jumping around a bit, but I'm just going in order the
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questions. What is the name of your
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business? Originally originally my
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business name was Arcole which is which in Spanish is the
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result of playing with the word arco and arbol and this is the
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the original the origin of the name.
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OK, again, sorry about the order.
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What was the first bow that you ever made?
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OK, the fist bowl I made was from a stave purchase or at a
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wooden restaurant. I remember that this of a Maple
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stave. But.
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Yeah, a Maple. Maple.
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Sorry about my pronunciation. At.
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The time I didn't know anything about for in a single grain of
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the bath fibers and the result was that the bow the bow broke.
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So for the second bow, I still didn't know anything about
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grains and fibers. But I use hemp and carpenters
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glue to make an artificial an artificial grain on the back and
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prevent the the bow from breaking.
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And I still have this, this bow and this bowl was carving when I
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was 17, more or less OK 15 years ago.
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Wow, what kind of wood is that? Sorry.
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Is it the same wood you said? Maple OR.
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Maple. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's, it's, it's made in Maple. Maple.
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And what was the first bow you ever sold?
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OK, the first bow I saw saw was when I was still a student of my
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teacher baby. I remember I was at university
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and he wrote and he were to me asking, asking me to make a bow
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for a little girl. And I remember that was the
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first bow I saw. And it was very, really exciting
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for me because I I am selling my first bow.
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Yes, what kind of bow was it? I remember the, that bow was a
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black locust bow and 25 lbs of of the weight and, and it had a
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horn on the, on the tips. I think it it, it was a, a very,
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a very a great feast bow for that little girl.
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That's great, and what is your favorite wood to make bows with?
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OK, I have two favorite types of wood for making bows, Elm and
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black locust. So Osage and you may be better
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due due to their excellent characters, but I believe that
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Black Locust is the best teacher for role making as it is
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slightly weaker in compression and as and as result doesn't
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tolerate a mistake during tiller and force you to work very
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carefully. I also really like Elm for
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historical reasons. In prestoric times when you
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didn't yet exceed humans survive by making and using Elms and
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most if you study and see prestoric bows as before, before
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you has used to make bows almost elbows has has make it to in in
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in in men has using good. So for me, it's one of my two
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favorite goods. And what are your favorite tools
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to carve a boat with? My favorite My favorite tools
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for making bows are the dragon knife in grass and scrapers.
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With these three tools I can carve a bow the the between the
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stave and the finish finish bow. But I also use other tools like
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abandoned Sao to be more efficient.
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But the mine tools are are these drum 9 grass and scrapers?
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Your workshop is where you live in Terra, yeah.
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Yeah, I yes, my workshop is in front of my house is it is not
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very large and shooting about 30 square meters and is divid is
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divid divide into work areas. The minor area is where I have
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my personal work base and where I work with both using hand
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tools and another area is use for tasks such as bending,
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bending balls, a split in a split in fidgets and anything
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else that requires tools such clamps and and glues.
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The chief. The 5th area is used for more
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delicate works such Federine arrows and sea wind Leather.
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Leather. OK.
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And do you work with other bowyers ever any collaboration
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at the? Moment I am not collaborating
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with other artists, but I am I am talc with Enrico Maraji,
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owner of RK Cabos and whom I believe you will also get also
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get to know and we are discussing meeting up to
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exchanging condolence. OK, great.
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Yes, I will. I'll be with Enrico about 3
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weeks before I come to see you. OK, I it's a, it's a good guy.
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Yeah. Tell me about your teaching,
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'cause you you teach bow carving, you have a bow carving
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school. Can you talk about that?
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Yeah. I have been teaching bow making
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course Science Prime of 2022. I feel it is a it is a demanding
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work because you are working with people who have no
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experience in both in bow making and your mission is to teach
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them the basics of making and ensure they take home a finish,
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a finished ball. But on the other hand, it is
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very satisfying to see the excitement of the students when
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they have their finished balls because I think it it awakens an
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ancestral and primitive side of us and when we have a wooden
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bowl that we have made ourselves.
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How many people normally do the school with you when you do a
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bow carving course? How many people?
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In in each course we have Max maximum or between we have we
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have between 6:00 and 8:00 students more than eight.
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I think it's, we don't work. It's it is not satisfying
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because my, my workshop, yeah, my, my workshop start Friday
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during two days. So we have a lot of we, we have
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a lot of work and more than eight people's.
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It is impossible. Yes.
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How many days did you say? Two days, two days completely.
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We we start Friday at midday. We finish Sunday Sunday evening
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evening. 2 1/2 days, yeah. Do your students stay on site at
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your workshop? Yes, I my workshops are here in,
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in, in in my works in my workshop, but I also travel
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around Spain making other workshops in other place.
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I I travel to Catalonia basket country in in Madrid in
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different sites where there are there are people interested in
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making his his own bows. What is your favorite style of
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bow to carve? I have two favorite types of
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bows, one more primitive, another more more modern.
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As for the primitive one, I really like bows between 68 and
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70 inches long and about 54mm wide.
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They will this point with a little reflex along their entire
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entire length. I think this, this design is
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it's, it's simple, it's simple, It's a it is a simple design,
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but incredibly effective because if you study the, the historical
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designs, the primitive designs, most, most of them, for example,
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the Otzi design are like, these are like are longer bows, Not
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they're they, they are not they, they were not a lot of white.
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They're they are narrow bows. And I I think that this design
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was copied in in many factors with about work copy for English
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men when they develop the English the English Longbow.
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Because if you compare the Otzi bows and the English Longbow,
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they have a lot of factors in common.
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And asking your question it is a simple same bed but is the
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design that use the humanity to to survive during thousand and
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thousand years and the other design it is a more modern
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version. I really like the flat bowl with
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a stealth grip between 38 and 44 millimetres wide in parallel
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with recur recurved tips. With this design the the with of
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the with in parallel depends of the of the side profile.
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If you have you, if you have a straight bow or a bow with a
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little reflex entire length, entire entire all all his
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length, you can you can use less width and this width can be used
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in in a shorter part of the of the limb.
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But when you use a recurve when you inducing a a recursative, I
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think you need more width or more section of the limb that
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you go parallel with. With the with this with this
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width when you recur the recur recur.
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A tip I have different gigs and depends the depends the use of
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the bow. If you you are going to hang
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with this bow or you are going to use this bow to to a target
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bow. You can use different jigs if
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you hunt with this bow. I think you need a recurve, A
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recurve that a more, how do you say if you are going to hang,
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you need more, more longer recruit because I think it's
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stores more energy that a recruit a shorter recruit.
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If you have the same good, the same measurements and the same
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driveway, the bow that have a slightly more large rapport will
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store much more energy. So for example, in this case for
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hand, I think this option is better than the shorter than
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than the shorter rapport in my experience in my experience.
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I've seen from your Instagram and website you have a lot of
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staves. Where do you get your staves?
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OK, I cut I cook the the woods from my boss myself or buy it
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from woodworkers in northern Spain and in the case of OSHA I
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I buy. I buy.
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I buy in Oklahoma, in Oklahoma, in Oklahoma City.
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And when I cook my own but good, I select the species, the spare
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the species such black locust, Elm and hackberry.
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And when I go to north of Spain to make to buy goods, I I buy
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ash ash, ash ash ash wolf. So you have Hackberry also
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there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But the, the hackberry species we have here in Spain is
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different than the species of North America.
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The the species of North America I think is is heavier, heavier,
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heavier than we have here here. I think hackberry is is is in
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the borderline. That is in the borderline of bow
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making woods hug hug Berry hafen, hafennut are in the in
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the borderline. I think havennut eats better
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wood than hack Berry. Hack Berry.
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I use Haberry to make low, low DRA weight bows for children or
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something like that, because it's it's very it's a very soft
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worth. And also it's for curiosity.
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It's familiar of Ellen. It's it's I how do you say it's
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in the same in the same in the same family species?
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Yeah, yeah. But Ellen is, is much, it's
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much, much better worth than Hackberry.
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Yeah, I. Carved hackberry Longbow with
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Corey Hawk. Yeah, I'll see, Anna.
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Cartwright, Yeah, because. Most mostly hackberries and
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they're amazing bows, so maybe it's a bit different with the
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North American. Hackberry, The species of
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hackberry of North America, is the is harder than than we have
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here. Yes, OK.
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What's the most different or unique wood that you've carved a
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bow from? The most young young bow used to
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make a bow was a piece of black a piece of black locust that
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have a young knot at the end of the fades out that locate like a
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sight of a combat rifle. And I have I I carved a bowl
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with with this with this piece and was and was amazing.
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I have some photos maybe in Instagram of of them.
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How big the hole the knot was like.
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It's like that. Looked really big.
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It's like 5 centimeters of of. Wow.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's amazing.
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What are your plans for the future, Nacho?
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Any exciting workshop travels? Yeah, in the future, I would
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like to meet your other beans and American ball makers so that
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I can continue learning and improving my ball making skills
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because I believe that in the world of making bows, there is
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always more to learn. And my main goal is to continue
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is continue at carrying more knowledge and improve improving
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my my ball making skills. I I want to travel North America
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and other parts of Europe and meet the most ball makers.
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It is possible? Well, I can.
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Tell you from experience, it's very fun.
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Because here in Spain, ball making, this world of all making
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bows, it's very little and lot of time I, I want to compare
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decisions, compare balls with other people to continue
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learning. And it's it's very important to
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me staying in continuous improving the way the most
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important of is is the way I finish a bowl.
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And for me, the most important is what do you learn in the way
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of carving this ball? I have my my notes.
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I have lot of notebooks with notes because I want to improve
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myself in the way of archery and I know I need to meet other bow
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makers and yes and continue our learning.
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Is there a specific bow maker that you really want to make a
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bow with? Here in Europe, I would like to
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meet Simon Says Sis. Also, I would I would like to
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meet Stefan Tim yes, because I would like to start making
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laminate bamboo and good pose and and for me it's a a word
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reference of these type of of bows in I also I also would like
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to meet Enrico and in the in the other part of the world, I would
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like to meet maybe the owner of St.
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Good Boss. Waylon Waylon on.
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Wayno. Leaves.
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He's amazing. Yeah, I'm also I would like to
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meet the owner of owner of Robin Big, Robin Big.
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Boss Robin, I was just, I was just with Jamie McDonald
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yesterday, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I seen in in Instagram. Yeah, I carved a beautiful
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English Longbow. I don't with.
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Pacific U The. Problem I I I am not very good
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with the names of the of the row makers I I follow in in the
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Instagram. But of course I would like meet
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everyone, everybody of of them. Yeah, it's amazing.
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So it's so much fun carving bows with different teachers.
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They all have so much experience and knowledge and wisdom and
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it's been amazing. See, because the world of of
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bomb making of of of making it's I like I, I say before, there
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are not laws or or there are not many laws and each bow make bow
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maker have his way to to go of the of the of the same point.
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That is the vote, the a finished vote.
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And I need to know all possibilities.
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And then I choose the better for me.
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But before I leave, I, I need, I need know his, his, his ways.
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And it is the most important for me.
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It's the most important of this, of this, of this world, of this
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world of, of Archie. Yeah, it's amazing and everyone,
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all the bow years are incredible artisans making beautiful
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functional tools, weapons. They're every bow is unique and
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beautiful. I love it.
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I'm really excited to come and see you and you are on Instagram
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at Arcaria con Marco and your website is Arco laescuela.com
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and so I will put those in the show notes so people can find
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you. I I didn't send you any other
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questions, but I'm happy to keep talking if you have other things
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you want to talk about or we can finish.
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As you want. If you want speak more, I try to
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ask your question with my limited English.
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OK, well, I'm I would like to know more about the area where
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you live. The area the area of that I live
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is, as I said before, the outside of the well.
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I have a river near the workshop and it's area where people don't
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know how his English cultivate, cultivate his own vegetables and
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something like that. And we have one Rd., a national
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Rd. that it's near to the to the to my house and to the workshop.
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It is a passive full place to to live and and to work.
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Do you get most of your staves from the forest around your
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house? Yeah, here in in my in my place
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we have we have a like I say a river.
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But this place is is so hot is is not very unity.
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And when I cut my own logs, I, I need to travel to the area of,
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of Mediterranean because there we have they, they have more
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humidity, humidity and there are more species like black locust,
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hackberry and the species we used to make bows.
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But maybe we can find this bowl these these woods in 8080
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kilometers in the Mediterranean direction.
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And we're going to be carving with black locusts when I'm
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there, correct? Yeah, yeah.
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We we are going to use black locust and if you want we can
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recover the the tips. Yes, OK, I'm happy to do
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whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I show the difference option of GIFs of to recall bows.
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OK, do you use mostly self knocks on your bows or do you do
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horn knocks? When I make a bowl for a
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customer, a customer, it's depend he he wants.
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When when I use horn, I use cowhorn in laminate cowhorn that
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I, I, I glue on in the in the tip.
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But I think the the self knock it's it's more primitive or it
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remained essential of of goose better than the Horneog because
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I think the the Horneog it's an adaptation of modern fiberglass
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bows in exception of English long bows because of their
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heavier drought, drought weight. But I like both.
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I don't have a preference between between them.
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And it's mostly cow horn that you use.
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I, I buy, I buy in, in, in Ali Express because here we don't,
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we, we, we don't have enough cows for this purpose.
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And I'm just on your Instagram and I see the bow that you
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carved with a very large knot in it.
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With with ah you are seeing. Yes, I'm looking at it.
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It's. So amazing.
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It's more, it's more than 5 centimeters, I think.
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Yeah, it's like the size of a a lemon.
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Well, your, your work is beautiful.
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All of your bows look incredible.
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And I'm really excited to have you as part of the project.
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And you're actually, I think our very last stop.
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So we're coming to you in the end of October and that'll be
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the end of. I am it's world journey looking
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forward to highly to having you come to my workshop.
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Yeah. Well, thank you for the
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invitation. We look forward to.
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It if if you want, when you, when you do you come with Ella
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or you. Yes, Ella is coming.
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OK, we can make a bow and also make something like a string
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correction with a steam or when you have A twist stave.
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With correct with something like that that is not only bow making
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bow making if you can if if if you can.
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We also make this this this works for have to to have a
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holistic vision of the way of have a bow, because when I have
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a customer, I use a premium stave for the Instagram and
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something like that. The premium stave is is is
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great, but the the the reality of the the reality of the Apple
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make it is work not only with premium you you also learn to
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work with a stave some piece of wood that don't don't are strive
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and have imperfections and you need to know them and and be be
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able to to work with them. And if when you stay here, if if
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if we want I also want and like to to to to show this this work.
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That would be great. A a character stave is
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beautiful. I would love to work with one.
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We'll have a challenging final bow.
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Yeah, because the the bows you you have make with the others
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with the other bow makers. I see that all of them are very
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straight and doesn't have imperfections of notes.
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It's it's it's. The first bow that I made with
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Swiftwood bows, Waylon Olive, was a was a snaky Osage and so
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yeah, that 1 was definitely not straight, but it was a nice
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stave. We had to do two or three steam
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bends on that one. OK, it's it's the best is these
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these staves that are strained, but I think a wood, a wood bow
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maker can be able to work with with these with these types of
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imperfections because it it it's the minds, the minds of you are
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continuing are continuing this make decisions that in that it's
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that these decisions is not behind.
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Allow your ace see that that intersection and you in this
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moment need to make a decision. And for me, a good lawmaker is
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is someone that it is, it's good taking good decisions in each
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moment, in each piece of wood that it is it work in this
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moment. It is for me.
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And my purpose is develop, develop this part of me develop
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the the part of make good decisions with bath goods or or
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with goods or staves that have imperfections.
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I also have lots of premium staves.
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But it is the easy, easy way. I know if you if if I want to
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develop as as a lawmaker, I need also work with worst piece of
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wood. And also that is my purpose.
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That's great. I'm up for the challenge.
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I'll have 14 teachers on my way to see you.
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So by the time I get to you, I should be ready for a a hard
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bow. Yeah.
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The character bows are so beautiful.
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I love them. So that'll be a lot of fun doing
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that with you. Thank you, Nacho.
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I really appreciate meeting you and you doing this interview.
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Excuse me? My my English.
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You did great. I need to improve improve my
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English to to travel young and meet other ball makers.
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Yeah, I'm still working on improving my Spanish, so we'll
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meet somewhere in the middle. The next session in in Spanish
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you I I learn with you and you learn with me.
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I learn English, English with you and you learn Spanish, yes,
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with me. Yeah, I need to improve my OK.
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Thank you, Nacho. Thank you, Todd.
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Have a great day. OK.
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