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#2245 Self-Flying Planes - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: G'day, team. It's Tiff and Patrick. It's Jumbo.
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  Speaker 2: It's bloody Tuesday in Melbourne. It's a great day. It's
• 0:06
  Speaker 2: a great day for the race. Patrick's already started the
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  Speaker 2: podcast before the podcast, not uncharacteristically.
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  Speaker 1: Tiff's over there.
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  Speaker 2: Thinking about life in Queensland, where she's heading in a
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  Speaker 2: day or so. And Mary's up in Yolambi in Tarelgon
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  Speaker 2: talking to herself. Other than that, no, she's all right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh God, it's been busy.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to that. Hi, Patrick.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, how are you, mate?
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  Speaker 1: Mate, I'm not bad. How are you? Well, I know
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  Speaker 1: how you are.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like an asshole.
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  Speaker 1: You're grumpy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm grumpy and I just realised I've got no
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  Speaker 3: need to be grumpy because in the grand scheme of things,
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  Speaker 3: there's other people in my life and in my world
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  Speaker 3: who are probably going through a lot worse than I
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  Speaker 3: am and I'm complaining about receiving a record in the
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  Speaker 3: mail that was bent.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, as I was getting off the phone to my
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  Speaker 2: mum this morning, who's got a brain bleed and struggling,
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  Speaker 2: and you were telling me about your bent record, there
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a huge amount of sympathy, although you were angry.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I've been looking.
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  Speaker 2: Forward to this.
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  Speaker 3: I put in a prepayment and it cost me like
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  Speaker 3: 94 bucks, which is so expensive for vinyl, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: No, Mary's all right, by the way. Is that what
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  Speaker 2: it costs now for what we used to in the
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  Speaker 2: old days call an LP?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, 70 to 90 anyway. But like I said, more
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  Speaker 3: important things like mum, like your mother.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: She don't like that. Like 30-something, could you say?
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  Speaker 2: She fell. Well, for those who don't know, Mary's my mother,
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  Speaker 2: queen of the world, my favourite human. She's 87 in
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  Speaker 2: a minute.
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  Speaker 1: She weighs four kilos and.
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  Speaker 2: She's just, you know, in the, it's been obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 2: dad died about, I don't know, nine or.
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  Speaker 1: Ten weeks ago now.
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  Speaker 2: So she's getting used to that. She's gone from living
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  Speaker 2: with a bloke for 64 years to living in a
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  Speaker 2: room in a nursing home and adapting.
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  Speaker 1: To all of that.
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  Speaker 2: And then she sent me a message about two weeks
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  Speaker 2: ago saying, No, no, I rang her and I went,
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  Speaker 2: how was your day?
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  Speaker 1: And she went, very good. And I went, oh, God,
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  Speaker 1: what happened? She said, I got a job.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know that you need a job, Mum,
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  Speaker 2: but righto, what's your job? I'm working in the cafe.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, do they know you're working in the cafe?
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  Speaker 2: So apparently Mary was wiping tables and taking people their
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  Speaker 2: coffee and all that, which... Of course, she wanted to do.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody asked her to do it. It's nobody's fault. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: she tripped on a leg of a chair and face planted,
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  Speaker 2: cracked her skull, 34 or 30 stitches or something, brain bleed,
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  Speaker 2: three days in hospital, multiple MRIs, concussion. And it's fair
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  Speaker 2: to say that at the minute, the old brain's not
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  Speaker 2: operating at 100%. So... interesting phone calls, bless her. And
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  Speaker 2: it is really a different, it is a different time
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  Speaker 2: of life for her, for me, and also, and there's
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  Speaker 2: no self-pity, there's nothing, I don't want any sympathy, attention, nothing.
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  Speaker 2: But it is just, all of a sudden you go, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: if I don't look after mum and protect mum and
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  Speaker 2: ask all the questions and find all the solutions and
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  Speaker 2: have all the hard conversations and manage the money and
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  Speaker 2: protect her there's no it's not like i have brothers
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  Speaker 2: and sisters or i have a wife or there's grandkids
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  Speaker 2: that can get involved or you know there's none of
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  Speaker 2: that which is just the situation but it's been a
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  Speaker 2: uh a steep learning curve the last few months it's
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  Speaker 2: been a big adjustment uh but i would uh I'm very,
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  Speaker 2: very honoured to be doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Like there's nothing I'd rather do. There's no resentment.
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  Speaker 2: There's just a steep learning curve. So thanks for asking, mate.
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  Speaker 2: But it's been a wild ride. And as long as
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  Speaker 2: she's okay, as long as she's mentally and physically not
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  Speaker 2: in any kind of anguish, then I'm all right.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, by coincidence, it's Carers Week this week.
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  Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I did a function last night for a whole lot
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  Speaker 3: of mums of children who are disabled and they had
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  Speaker 3: a little bite-tight cheese session with me. And I guess
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  Speaker 3: with ageing parents, that's been a massive journey for you
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  Speaker 3: the last couple of years particularly. And then I think
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  Speaker 3: of other people who have a disabled child for their
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  Speaker 3: whole life and it's an ongoing thing. And I think
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  Speaker 3: One of the things in Australia, I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: it's like in other parts of the world, but people
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  Speaker 3: knuckle down and they don't complain. They just get on
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  Speaker 3: with it and they do it and they do it
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  Speaker 3: and they do it. You know, every day, you drove
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  Speaker 3: up to visit three times last week. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how many Ks. What's that, 500 Ks you drove or something?
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  Speaker 2: Depending on traffic, it's like five hours of driving a day.
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  Speaker 2: So I did that three days in a row. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: it just... But it's doable. Like what's interesting is I
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  Speaker 2: got a phone call on Wednesday from one of the
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  Speaker 2: nurses at Yolambi where she's at. By the way, they
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  Speaker 2: are fantastic there. And she said, Craig, and I could
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  Speaker 2: tell she was nervous. Like I'm sorry to tell you,
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  Speaker 2: like your mum fell, right? And there was so much blood.
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  Speaker 2: I should, anyway, fuck it. There was so much blood
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  Speaker 2: that the paramedics to whom I spoke said they were
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  Speaker 2: worried that she'd bleed out because she's so small and
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  Speaker 2: there was so much blood, right? So clearly with somebody
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  Speaker 2: who's under 40 kilograms, there's not a lot of blood volume. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I was in a normal workday, podcasts, coaching sessions, meetings, emails,
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  Speaker 2: shit to do. I get this phone call. And literally
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  Speaker 2: four minutes later, I am in the car and nothing
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  Speaker 2: else matters. You don't go, oh, tell her I'll be
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  Speaker 2: there in five hours.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, no.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not like, oh, look at me, the fucking
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  Speaker 2: great son. It's none of that. You just go, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't have an option and I don't want an option.
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  Speaker 2: This is all I want to do. But it's amazing
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  Speaker 2: how when you have to make shit happen or work,
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  Speaker 2: like you just make it work. So I get in
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  Speaker 2: the car, I ring Melissa. I'm like, can you ring
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  Speaker 2: this person, this person, this person? Can you cancel that?
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  Speaker 2: Can you reschedule that? And I don't know what I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to be doing tomorrow. So let's just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and you just figure it out. Like I wrote something
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  Speaker 2: the other day, and I know this is not really
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  Speaker 2: on topic for our typical conversation, but I feel like
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  Speaker 2: it can be relevant to where the world.
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  Speaker 1: Is at right now.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like life is always asking us one
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  Speaker 2: question and that is can you adapt?
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  Speaker 1: Can you adapt? Because everything's dynamic.
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  Speaker 2: And if in the middle of all of that change
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  Speaker 2: and evolution and all that shit that we can't control
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  Speaker 2: or predict, if we are a metaphoric statue, it makes
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  Speaker 2: it very hard to survive. So when someone rings and goes, hey, Patrick,
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  Speaker 2: this happened to someone you love, we need you to
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  Speaker 2: leave home in three minutes, you're leaving home in three minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember this, Craig, when my
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  Speaker 3: younger brother who's disabled got run over. He had stepped
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  Speaker 3: out from the side of a bus, wasn't the fault
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  Speaker 3: of the driver. He stepped out and got run down. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I got called in the newsroom at what was close
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  Speaker 3: to the end of my shift. And I remember the
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  Speaker 3: first thing I did was started crying. You know, that was,
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  Speaker 3: I was gutted. And your life just gets thrown for
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  Speaker 3: a tailspin You know, and then you've got to start
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  Speaker 3: to triage, you know, what do I do now? I've
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  Speaker 3: got to get there. I've got to help the family.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to support mum and dad, all that sort
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  Speaker 3: of stuff. But it's, yeah, I think, I know we
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  Speaker 3: all get thrown those curly ones at different stages, but,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it doesn't make it easy. And it's great
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  Speaker 3: that you had a Melissa to call on, but, you know, it's,
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  Speaker 3: but you're the one doing, running the show because you're
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  Speaker 3: just the only kid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And all of a sudden it's like, oh, I'm the
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  Speaker 2: decision maker on this. Like there's nobody to go, hey,
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  Speaker 2: what do you think? Because it's no, it's Craig, it's
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  Speaker 2: actually just what you think. So here's what we're going
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  Speaker 2: to do. Do you want us to do this or
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  Speaker 2: that with your mum?
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  Speaker 1: Because your medical.
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  Speaker 2: Power of attorney and if this happens, I'm like, fuck,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to be in Latrobe Regional Hospital at
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  Speaker 2: 11 o'clock on a Wednesday night figuring out life and
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  Speaker 2: death shit for my mum.
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  Speaker 1: It's like that's you, dude.
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  Speaker 3: It's a pivotal time in your life when you become
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  Speaker 3: the grown-up. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I've been waiting. It's here.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fuck.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. It is an interesting one. When mum's dementia got
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  Speaker 3: really bad, I spoke to someone at Dementia Australia. I
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  Speaker 3: was doing a course with them, and I said, I
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  Speaker 3: really want to take mum to visit my big brother
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  Speaker 3: who lives in Canada to see him for the last time.
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  Speaker 3: And I said to the carer, I said, well, how
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  Speaker 3: soon should I leave? And he said, now. He said,
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  Speaker 3: do it now. You haven't got time to wait. So
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  Speaker 3: I bundled mom and dad and my disabled younger brother.
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  Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, I'm standing at the airport.
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  Speaker 3: Dad is humming to himself because he's just in a
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  Speaker 3: box with the pixies. Mom's totally in the throes of dementia.
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  Speaker 3: And I've got my disabled younger brother. And I'm standing
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  Speaker 3: there thinking, oh, hell. I'm the one wearing the pants now.
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  Speaker 2: Why on earth did you not just fly your brother out?
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  Speaker 2: My God, that would have seemed like.
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  Speaker 3: A simple solution. No, no, no, wait, wait. There was
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  Speaker 3: a reason because his wife was undergoing cancer treatment for
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  Speaker 3: breast cancer. So this was the, and I couldn't, it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't a holiday. It was to go there. I think
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  Speaker 3: I've told you the story because it was also not
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  Speaker 3: long after 9-11 and mum gets detained at the airport
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  Speaker 3: because she's got the wrong passport and should have had.
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  Speaker 3: like a visa to enter the U.S. Oh, man, it
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  Speaker 3: is a whole podcast episode by itself.
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  Speaker 2: I think we've just depressed all of you and me together.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Can you tell us some good news?
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  Speaker 4: Looking forward to Queensland, looking forward to sunny Queensland. Thanks
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  Speaker 4: for asking.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, everyone. What's happening in Queensland, Tiff?
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  Speaker 5: I'm going up for a conference, actually. Oh, what is it?
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, flying up a day early. Conference I was
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  Speaker 4: at last year, a speaker's conference, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome.
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  Speaker 3: So what are you looking forward to the most?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, just the people in the room.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I met the most amazing connections up there
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  Speaker 4: and those events fill my cup.
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  Speaker 5: And so I was going to sit it out because.
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  Speaker 4: I'm in the throes of building a new part of
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  Speaker 4: my business now that has got nothing to do with speaking,
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  Speaker 4: but I kind of at the last minute went, nah.
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  Speaker 5: People, people. Go be with your people. It gives you
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  Speaker 5: lots of energy.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah. That's great.
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  Speaker 1: Go and connect with your tribe.
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  Speaker 3: There's something to be said about that, isn't there, Crago?
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  Speaker 3: I know we form communities. I think it's almost a
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  Speaker 3: human imperative to find our tribe, to find our group,
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  Speaker 3: our club, our organisation. And it's great when you do
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  Speaker 3: find that and it's like, oh, wait a minute, all
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  Speaker 3: these people talk the way that I do. All these
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  Speaker 3: people resonate with what I'm talking about, you know, And
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  Speaker 3: I think in some ways we have this little club
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  Speaker 3: called TYP and it is a bit of a one-way conversation.
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  Speaker 3: But when I talk to our listeners, because I know
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  Speaker 3: a few of our listeners and they, you know, there's
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  Speaker 3: a good friend of mine, Kim, and I'll say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: did you know that? Oh, yeah, yeah, I know. I said,
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  Speaker 3: wait a minute, I didn't tell you. She said, no,
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  Speaker 3: you talked about it on the podcast. Like, oh, shit.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 3: Which is kind of cute you know that that sometimes
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  Speaker 3: i've told my friends who listen and they know it
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  Speaker 3: and then i go to tell them the story it's
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  Speaker 3: like no no i already know this like what do
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  Speaker 3: you mean how do you know this do you listen
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  Speaker 3: to me yeah which is.
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  Speaker 2: Like when i met i met a stranger who to
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  Speaker 2: me is a stranger and to them i'm a friend
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  Speaker 2: and they're like and I'm looking at them, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I do not know who you are. I do not
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  Speaker 2: know who you are. And they're like, so sorry to
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  Speaker 2: hear about your dad. How's your mum? And I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's right. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a nice feeling aside from the creepiness, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But, I mean, you know what? I mean, we now know,
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  Speaker 2: and this is not new information, but 10 years ago
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  Speaker 2: it was new information. It's like connection and– love and
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  Speaker 2: belonging and acceptance and community, in other words, the opposite
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  Speaker 2: of loneliness and disconnection, these are some of the biggest
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  Speaker 2: determinants of health, physical health, not just mental and emotional health,
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  Speaker 2: which makes sense, but physical health, longevity, healthspan, lifespan, all
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  Speaker 2: that stuff. We know that right up there with diet
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  Speaker 2: and exercise is human connection. as maybe more important. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: I would like, I look at my mum and I
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  Speaker 2: think the most important thing for her health, her recovery,
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  Speaker 2: her healing, her longevity right now, the most important thing
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  Speaker 2: is just the fact that she's in a community and
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  Speaker 2: she's loved and liked and needed and wanted and accepted
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  Speaker 2: and acknowledged and connected with. For me, that makes me happy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really give a fuck if the breakfast is
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  Speaker 2: healthy or not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. The interesting thing when you recounted that story, because
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  Speaker 3: I knew that mum had had a fall, we've spoken
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  Speaker 3: before about the injuries she sustained, but I didn't realise
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  Speaker 3: she was doing the cafe thing and cleaning tables and
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  Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff because my fondest memories of
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  Speaker 3: your mum is bossing you around at Harper's Gym and
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  Speaker 3: cleaning around the place, getting the broom out, you know,
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  Speaker 3: making sure everything looked tidy when she was doing the
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  Speaker 3: reception stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Can I say that Mary was the worst employee I
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  Speaker 1: ever had?
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  Speaker 2: We had like a big Tupperware container of jelly beans
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  Speaker 2: in the off chance, on the off chance that somebody
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  Speaker 2: would have a low blood sugar event, a hypo, right?
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, they were.
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  Speaker 2: Just there in case somebody needed a bit of, well,
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  Speaker 2: Mary would just walk out on the gym floor amongst
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  Speaker 2: all the populace just handing out lollies. Just handing out
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  Speaker 2: lollies to all the people who don't need lollies and
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  Speaker 2: telling me and everyone else one won't hurt them. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: and then she would basically call me a pain in
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  Speaker 2: the ass for telling her not to fucking go and
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: give sugar to all the people who were in the
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  Speaker 2: gym trying to get in shape.
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  Speaker 1: Those were the days, though. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Those were the days.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about technology and AI and all the things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a technology thing that scares, not scares
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: the crap out of me, but really disturbed me when
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: I saw the article in The Guardian today. And we
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: spoke about it briefly before we jumped on. And this
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: is where I'm actually in favor of censorship. I'm the
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  Speaker 3: last person ever that would want censorship. I've got to say,
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  Speaker 3: I really believe people should make their own decisions and
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  Speaker 3: self-censor as opposed to a government telling you you can
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: or can't, having been to China where you can't log
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: into Google or Facebook or anything. But at the moment,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: there's a real big call to stop the streaming of
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: an execution in the United States. I mean, the fact
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  Speaker 3: that they're going to live stream someone being killed is
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: goes so against the grain with me on every single level.
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  Speaker 3: It disturbs me so greatly that someone thinks this is
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  Speaker 3: a good idea. And the fact that people in Australia
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: are saying, what? You people are lunatics. We should not
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  Speaker 3: let Australians see this shit. I agree for the first time.
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  Speaker 3: Censor the shit out of this. This is going to
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: happen in early December, allegedly. The defense secretary over there,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: a guy by the name of Pete Hesgeth, said that
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  Speaker 3: they're going to plan the execution of the guy who
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: was a– like a guy who was a shooter at
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: Fort Hood. Now, regardless of what the person's done, now,
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  Speaker 3: they may be guilty of sin, but, man, I don't
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  Speaker 3: want anybody to see that. Do you? I mean, what's
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  Speaker 3: your take on it, Harps?
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  Speaker 2: Look, I mean, the sad reality is that there are
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  Speaker 2: already lots and lots of online places where you can
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  Speaker 2: see that, you know, where you can see– I'm not
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  Speaker 2: even going to describe them, but array of different horrible,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: violent acts, including death. Do I think it's a good
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: idea to stream? Absolutely not. Do I think, I don't know,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: from a, you know, like there's just so much stuff
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: that goes on in the world. I think something like
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: that happens all the time. or different versions of that.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I would not watch it. I would not think most
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: of our listeners would watch it. I would rather it
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: not available than available. But, you know, people have their
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: own right to, you know. No, I think it's... I
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: think of all the things that we could be doing
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: with our time and energy, streaming executions, probably not in
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: the top 5,000 things that we need to be doing.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Tiff?
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: What about you, Cook?
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's... This week it was interesting.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: I opened social media and someone had shared, I don't
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: know if you heard about the guy that got into
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: the zoo enclosure in Yorkshire.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: I heard about it.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: He was killed by a tiger and that was straight,
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: literally the footage was streamed and he had to go
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: in and I was like, this must be AI and
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: it wasn't.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, well, that's kind of crazy that we just,
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: that's now entertainment.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, that's, yeah.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think about that?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I know this is not tech, but what do you
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: think about, like, firstly, I'm sad he lost his life,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: but what they were going to do, what they were considering,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: but they decided against it, but was killing the tiger.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like, he's just a tiger doing tiger shit. Like,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: he's not making a moral judgment. Like, some dude, which
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: is basically just meat... You know, to him, it's like, oh,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: a snack, you know. So I'm glad they didn't.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Kill the tiger.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Can I also say, Tiff, that your algorithm somewhere, someone
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: at Meta had an algorithm that said Tiff Cook would
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: like to see a man killed by a tiger. That's
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: fucked up.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: It was shared.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I don't explain much. Yeah, no.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: But also it was shared by a guy whose content
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: I have previously watched. He sometimes puts like amazing stuff
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: with animals around the world.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: And that's what made me think, why is he sharing this?
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: This must be AI slop.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: See, there was a really interesting article in the ABC
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: today where they interviewed an 18-year-old guy who said it
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: was talking about the manosphere. Now, I don't know. how
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: much you know about the manosphere, but it's quite misogynistic.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: It's saying that women should be more traditional roles, keep
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: them at home, cooking. It's all the stuff that was
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: from the 1940s, 50s, and 60s or whatever. And particularly
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: the manosphere is anti-feminism, like absolutely, absolutely anti-feminism. But there
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: was a really interesting insight from this 18-year-old who said
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: he'd signed up for social media and he said his
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: feed keeps getting Manosphere stuff. And he said, I didn't
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: ask for it. I don't look at it. I love
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: my music. So basically the things that he sees on
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Insta he wants to see is music related. But because
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: he's 18 and because he's a male, because he's a
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: boy or a young guy, he keeps getting stuff that
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: he doesn't want to see. So this was quite a
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: frank thing. He wasn't being prompted by the journalist. He's
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: just saying, why do I keep getting this Manosphere stuff?
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: And this is where that algorithm thing comes in, where
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: the Albanese government is trying to give people the option
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: to opt out of the algorithm. And then the Trump
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: government came in and said, wait a minute, you can't
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: do that. You're, you know, they're having a go at
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Australia for trying to filter out the crap. And that
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: was really interesting in itself. But, you know, regardless of
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: what you're doing online, you should have the power to
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: filter out stuff you don't want to see. Let's face it.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know we have a choice to watch it.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: But Tiff, you were saying you thought it was AI.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: You clicked on it and you started watching it. Now,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: you may not have realized till halfway through that it
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: was actually real. And that's the thing, you know, if
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: we have an option prior to. But the way social
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: media works is there's no editor. There's nobody filtering that.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: There's no one making an editorial decision as to whether
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: it's appropriate for it to be screened or viewed or
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: clicked on.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I think I agree with you, Patrick. I also think
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: pretty much the race is run in terms of Like
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I think if I agree that I'm going to have
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: a presence on Instagram and I'm going to look at
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Instagram and then that's going to happen. Like the only
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: way for that not to happen is if I'm not
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: on Instagram. Like I think it's like if we're just
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: being real world practical, good luck turning off this or
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: turning off that or not getting exposed to anything. It's like, Craig,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: if you don't ever want to see any of that,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Don't go on Facebook. Don't go on Instagram. Yes, Tips,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: you've got your little index finger in the air.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Like witchy poo.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: Witchy poo.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, I thought she was going to pick her nose. Yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: I talk about this to people all the time, how
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: important it is to deliberately curate and hide or block or, like,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: deliberately search on things to feel, because the algorithm chases you.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: You might search something in the news and next minute
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: every single article someone or opinion piece someone puts up
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: is that. And I have cleared, unfollowed, I've pressed not
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: interested to deliberately clear when sometimes the algorithm.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: Puts shit in front of me that I don't want
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: to have to be in my head.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. That's a really good point to be active, yeah.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: You don't really jump on Instagram, Patrick, do you?
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: At all, no. I don't use socials at all.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: At all?
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: No.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Well, good for you. I mean, good for you. All right.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Nearly $ 300 billion worth of AI data center builds delayed
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: or blocked. Like this is the thing, building data centers now,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: isn't it? And everyone's a bit. It must be profitable
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: for somebody, but it's creating a lot of controversy. It's
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: causing a lot of concern for people.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Now, I don't know how much of this is propaganda,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: but certainly, you know, we keep getting told that data
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: center equals lots of water being used, lots of resources
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: being used. You know, chips are now going up. So
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: if you buy a smartphone, I can probably guarantee that
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: your average smartphone has probably gone up by at least $ 100.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: And that's because there are less chips out there, less
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: computer chips, because they're going towards data centers. So they've
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: been bought up. And it means that consumer electronics have
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: all increased in price. And there's this ongoing effect. But basically,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: there's been a lot of community pushback. This is just
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: the United States, by the way. $ 295. 5 billion worth of
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: AI data centers have been delayed or frozen entirely. We're
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: talking about Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft, all those companies. So the
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: delays are really strongly about municipal water supplies. That seems
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: to be the biggest thing that people are concerned about.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: And also the pressure on the electricity grid. So there's
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: polls that say 70% of Americans oppose hosting AI data
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: centers in their local areas. That's a massively large number
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: of people who are opposed to that. I don't know
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: what the feeling is in Australia. I got asked by
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: my local real estate agent to fly a drone over
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: our water supply in Belan. And it's this beautiful reservoir
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: called Colebrook. And I thought we were just doing a
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: drone for a property that was adjacent to the reservoir.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: And then when we got back from the shoot, I said,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: so what was the property? Which one are you actually selling?
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: And he said, oh, no, no, I want to make
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: a pitch to data centers to get a data center there.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: It's like, are you freaking kidding? It's in the middle
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: of the bush. It's a beautiful area. It's our water supply.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: And you want to get them to build a data
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: center there? Well, that footage disappeared, didn't it?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And you were complicit.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Now, Patrick, they actively didn't give it to him.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Not that I don't know, but just for our friends
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: who don't know that might look like me, what is
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: a data centre? Is this just a big building that
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: stores information?
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: That processes information. So it's a big, big, big factory-sized
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: building that has racks and racks and racks and racks
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: and racks of computers. And those computers either store data, well,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: they will store data, process data. So in a lot
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: of cases, for people to be able to use AI,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: then you need lots and lots of data centers. So,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: you know, when you jump on and use a search
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: and you use Claude or you use ChatGPT or whatever,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: AI that you're using, it takes a lot of processing power.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: So at the moment, a lot of AI processing is
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: done at these massive data centers. And that's every query now.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: When you do a search query in Google, most of
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: the time you're getting an AI response. Even if you
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: don't want to use AI, you're going to be using
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: it anyway. When you call up a bank and you're
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: hit by an AI that wants to talk to you
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: first before you get passed on to a human operator...
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: You don't have a choice in that matter. So the
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: reality of it is companies are embracing AI. They're streamlining
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: their businesses. They're trying to put an AI fence between
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: you and a human operator because guess what? It's cheaper
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: for them to use an AI than to have a
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: human person answer a phone. So, you know, much as
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: we don't like it, It's something we've got to live with,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: but that processing power has to go somewhere. So having
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: a data center where they store that information, process that information,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: takes resources.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I love that you pointed out that it was a
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: human person. Thanks for that.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: As opposed to a non-human person.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: So we've already got autonomous cars and we've got, in
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: some countries in the world, autonomous cars. buses we've definitely
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: got autonomous trucks which are being trialed in maybe the
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: northern territory i'm not sure but air traffic control is
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: worn against ai smart navigation system yeah i wonder if
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: that's heading eventually towards autonomous planes but there's no pilot
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: that would scare the shit out of me i definitely
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: won't be trying i won't be debuting on that Yeah.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Look, this is a particular guy. This was an article
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: on Futurism. It's a website that I kind of like
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: to check through. And what they're doing is they're now
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: trialing a model at air traffic control around the United States.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: So what they're going to do is the AI will
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: be monitoring aircraft and locating flight paths for landings and
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: takeoffs real time. So air traffic operations... have a safety risk,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: you know, human fatigue, there's always a possibility of human error,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: but now they're saying that this is going to have
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: AI oversight and AI will be running it. But the
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: concern from air traffic controllers is the term that's been
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: bandied around a lot, AI hallucination. You know, when you
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: do a search and suddenly your AI is determined that
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: this is the right thing, but in fact, it's wrong.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: So AI systems can generate fabricated and erroneous data. They
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: make mistakes. And the concern from flight traffic controllers in
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: the US is that this could potentially be a massive
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: concern for flight traffic because there's a lot of aircraft
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: flying all over the place. I think Melbourne to Sydney,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: our air traffic is probably the highest population. traffic corridor
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: in the world, I think. I remember reading somewhere that
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: we have a lot of air traffic, but if you've
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: ever been to LAX and seen all those aircraft coming
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: in and out all the time, that is phenomenal. And
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: air traffic controllers work a really stressful job. So I
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: can see where it would be good to have the
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: tools there, smart AI tools, but I wouldn't be really
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: comfortable if that's all you had. You know, I still
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: feel that human oversight is really important. And that's the
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: concern they've got here that, you know, at the moment,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a real concern that if you've got
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: AI running it, then, you know, pilots rely on air
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: traffic control to be able to land and take off.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Tiff and I were talking with Gillespie the other day
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and about the fact that they We did confirm, Tiff
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: confirmed on the podcast, that they are using recruiting gamers,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: so video gamers in the United States to become air
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: traffic controllers.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, right. Okay.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: And paying them, was it like $ 150, 000 US a year, Tiff?
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Within the first three years.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: They make up to $ 155, 000 US.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Crazy.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: So they're- Look at Patrick.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: He's submitting his resume as we speak. He's just popping
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: it through the Air Traffic Association of America.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: You can't just stop talking and jump on your computer.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: You two are talking. I can type while you guys
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: are talking. God.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: How high does his voice get?
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Too high.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: When he gets defensive, he sounds like a mouse.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Once he gets through a bit more of his ADHD
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: management course, he might stop doing that rude task switching
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: in the middle of podcasts.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: I was still listening, and the reason, can I tell
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: you what I was sharing for you bastards, the pair
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: of you?
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Hey, take the feedback, bro. There's no use to insult people.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: No, I was doing a Google search on a movie
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: called Gran Turismo. I don't know if you've seen the film.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: It's actually quite a good film. I've seen it. It's
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: basically a true story.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I've seen it, where they train all these gamers to
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: drive cars in real life.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: And so guess what? It was relevant to our conversation.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Just thought I'd get my facts straight before I brought
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: it up because, you know, I wanted to make sure
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: it actually was called Gran Turismo, which it was. And
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: that's what it was relating to, Tiff.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: What, he'd be good in a corporate space, wouldn't he, Tiff?
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: Oh, wouldn't he be exceptional?
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I'm unemployable. Oh, fucking hell.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't want to talk to him about his performance.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Fucking hell, the guy. that Glow Mesh would be in
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: the shag pile every five minutes. Yeah.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Was that as good for you as it was for me? Sorry.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Can I ask
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: you both actually finish your Gran Turismo bit because I've
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: got a question for both you.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: No, no, just saying that it's a very interesting one
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: that they're using gamers because gamers have really good reflexes
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: and it makes absolute sense if you're going to employ someone,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: then Missile Command would be great, wouldn't it? Remember the
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: game Missile Command with the trackball? Yeah.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Let's keep the missiles at bay, shall we? Let's keep
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the missile talking.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: But if someone was really good and got like a
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: top score on missile command, I would be so happy
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: for them to be an aircraft controller. Oh, yeah.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Hi, it's the North Korean Army here.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: I know a lot of boxers that have done a
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: lot of work on their reflexes. Maybe we should just
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: employ boxers to air traffic control.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a very specific kind of reflex. Hey,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I was watching– I was watching a report. They were
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: talking about buying secondhand cars and they were saying how
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: the best buy right now is to buy like a
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: two-year-old EV because a one to two-year-old EV in the
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: first year, Tiff, in the first year of ownership, if
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: you spend 50 grand on an EV, it loses 25
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: to 30% in the first year. Right. So now your
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: $ 50, 000 car's worth $ 35, 000, even though it's still relatively brand new.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: And then two to three years, depending on mileage, et cetera,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: it's only worth 50% of what you paid for it.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: So you can buy yourself a $ 50, 000 car that's two
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: years old for $ 25, 000, give or take, that's still got
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: probably five years warranty on it. So that's not the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: worst idea. It was actually a lady, a motoring journalist.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, this is not the worst strategy here.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: And I just say, this is so strange that you
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: bring this up because I was looking up secondhand electric
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: cars this morning in bed. And you know what the
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: result came back with? The Hyundai Kona electric vehicle, the Highlander,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: And the reason that it said was a really good
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: deal is because when they released them, they had an
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: issue with their batteries a year or so into it.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: So they replaced the batteries for free, which means a
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: car that's 2019 or 2020 has a much newer battery
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: in it. So you're not just getting an electric EV car.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: You're also getting a brand new battery or a much
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: newer battery than relates to that model. So when I
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: did the search, I said, what's going to be the
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: best value? Because I thought, oh, what if I sold
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: my car? What would I get for it? And if
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: I did a switchover... And it said that this was
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: the absolute best deal at the moment, the Hyundai Kona Electric.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Are you familiar with that one, Craig? I had a
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: look at it online. It's not the prettiest.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I'm a car head. I'm a car head.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I read all the bloody, I read everything on cars.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: But sadly, I don't. We all know I bought a
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: new car a year and a half ago and sold it.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: I drive it four times and then went, it's too fancy.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: So I sold it.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: So now I drive my shitter around.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: And everybody makes fun of me and I love it,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: but I reckon it is your next car, Patrick going
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: to be an EV.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Do you think?
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd absolutely like it to, but remember my track record,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I had my last, my previous car, my Nissan I
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: had for 32 years. So I like to run a
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: car into the ground, not to replace cars. So I
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: reckon my current Mazda, uh, the hybrid I'll probably have,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe till I'm 80.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Um, Speaking of, I'm going to ask you in a sec,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: but before we go to Tiff, so I'm selling Mary's
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: car at the moment, right? So it's a little Suzuki Swift,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: but it's a 2023, so it's three years old. It's
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: literally like new. I mean, literally, it looks like a
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: showroom car. It's got 7,000 Ks on it. Awesome. So-
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: It'll probably be sold by the time this gets out, but,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: you know, and I'm not doing a sales pitch, but
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, my God. So, Tiffy, are you going
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: to buy an EV one day?
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm a bit like Patrick. I'm not
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: fussed about upgrading my car anytime soon. And apparently Elwood
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: is terrible for charging stations because the lad has been
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: looking at the EV market.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Right. Can I just say that in the Balan Shire,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: in the shire that I live in, the Marooble Shire,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: We don't have a single charging station except at the
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: council for the council offices, but the public can't use it.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: So there's one charger at the shire offices and we're
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: not allowed to use it. We don't need it, you know,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: because our shire extends from Melton all the way to...
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: It's a very, very big shire, but we don't have
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: a charging station.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Your voice just went very weird, didn't it, Tiff?
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: It just went Darth Vader for like one to two
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: seconds in the middle of the sentence.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, a little bit of Darth Vader going on.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Okay. Do you want me to repeat that?
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: No, it's all right.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Just leave it in. And let's leave that in as well.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: This is how.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Can we leave this bit in too? Yeah, no.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: What about this bit?
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay, Tiff. That's all right with you. No editing.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: No editing needed. Let's just leave this bit in. I
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: reckon we should leave all of this in.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Speaking of electric vehicles, high mileage electric vehicles are more
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: reliable than petrol cars.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: What's that based on? How did they come up with that?
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: This was an article in The Guardian and the British
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Ministry of Transport did roadworthy inspections and looked at high
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: mileage electric vehicles and and they found that over a
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: long term, they were more mechanically reliable than internal combustion engines.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Because they have way less parts.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, absolutely.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Like way less.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which is great. So when they looked at it,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: what they found was that, and they based this on
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: British Rental and Leasing Association figures. So these are real
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: cars that have been used in the real world and
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: were driven for between 145,000 kilometres and 193,000. They've clocked
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: up a lot of Ks, but it was the electric
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: vehicles recorded an inspection failure rate of 16.5%, whereas the
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: petrol engines, 22.1%. So that was the difference in terms
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: of that long-term, you know, sustainability of the vehicle, whereas
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: the electrics came out on top.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Tiff, I've got a question for you. Do electric vehicles
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: have engines?
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Pass.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: You're an arsehole.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: That's not the 30% that I'm dude-like with.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: No, that's... Well, the battery is the engine.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: That's why they last so long because there's nothing to
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: break really. It does seem funny though not having a
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: motor per se, doesn't it?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: It seems strange.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Well, it has an electric motor and some have multiple
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: electric motors. They do have electric motors. The battery isn't
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: the engine. The battery is the power.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: The battery drives it.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: No, the battery powers it. It's the actual electric engine.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: that drives the wheels, but there's no gearing mechanism per se,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: because with an electric engine, you can control the speed
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: just purely through the amount of electricity that goes into
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: it so yeah it does have an engine i don't know.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: That us three should be especially technical yeah Yeah.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Fuck that.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: There's probably some– well, there's definitely 100 blokes and maybe
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: 100 ladies. I don't know.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: That was very discriminatory.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: 100 people listening of all genders who know exactly the
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: answer to what we are or.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: What– All right, fuck.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Let's cut this out.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Do you want to look it up, Tiff?
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Leave it in. Look it up.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Look it up.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Go on, Tiff. Look it up.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Do you know why the fuck I opened that door?
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know why you opened that door. Yeah, that
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: was just dumb.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Patrick, banned Dahua surveillance cameras identified in Australian Leap Motors,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: speaking of EVs. Yeah, yeah. So that's a brand in Australia,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Leap Motor, another Chinese brand, but they've got surveillance cameras
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: operational in Australia that are actually banned.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: So this is interesting because government organizations right around Australia
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: banned the cameras from this particular Chinese manufacturer. But now
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: the same Chinese manufacturer is installing their cameras into vehicles
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: because vehicles need to see the road. And there's a
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: whole lots of things that most new cars have cameras
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: in them to be able to control the reversing cameras,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: adaptive cruise control. There's lots of reasons. And I don't
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: know if you've seen in some of the newer cars,
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: it blows my mind where they have an aerial view
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: and you can see around you when you're parking. So
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: there's lots of reasons that these cameras are needed in
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: new cars. But this company that basically was kicked out
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: of Australia because they thought, well, They can't prove that
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: they're not part of the Chinese government. There's surveillance issues.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: They didn't want them anywhere near the Defence Force. And
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: now some bloke or woman who buys an electric car
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: and parks out the front of or drives past one
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: of our Defence Force or anywhere that is kind of sensitive,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: potentially all these cameras are pointing at it because they're
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: now consumer devices.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: You keep going, Darth Vader.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was kind of weird. Why am I Darth Vader-ing?
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Is that just sitting on the cable? Oh, now that's better.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Is that still sounding weird?
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: That's better.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Leave it all in, Tiff.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Leave all this in.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: Just so people know what I have to deal with.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let everybody listen to the messiness that is. Patrick,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I feel sorry for the grandmother who was jailed for
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: six months because of faulty facial recognition.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: You'd be pissed off.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: With that, wouldn't you?
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Well, the thing is, what I don't understand is if
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: you have been charged with a crime, so she gets
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: distant grandmother in the United States. She gets dragged out
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: of her home. I think she was kind of sitting
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: the grandkids at the same time, dragged out, charged because
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: there was facial recognition, misidentified her, goes to jail. And
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: what a shit legal team she had. A legal team,
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: wouldn't you? Yeah.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: You would think that would be pretty easy to figure out.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: She was 1,000 kilometres, she was 19, actually 1,930 kilometres
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: away from where the crime happened. That's the worst legal
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: team in history. Hey, here's some evidence. She was here.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: We can prove it. And then she goes to jail.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: So she was, I think the crime was committed in
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: North Dakota and she was in Tennessee.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, do we know? Like, in all seriousness,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: why did she go to jail if they had that evidence?
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Well, because the legal team was a piece of crap.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: They just added doing work experience, maybe give the job
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: to the work experience kid to run the court case.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Who knows? But she got convicted. It was a facial
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: recognition error. Her name is Angela Lips, and she's 50
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: years old. You know, isn't it funny when you hear
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: 50-year-old grandmother and you think, oh, man, I'm way older
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: than that? It makes me feel old when I see that.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: She sounds like she's a really old lady. 50's not old.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: I think our listeners would kind of... agree to that
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: i'm hoping.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I've got a friend who's 45 yeah and she's got
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: or maybe 46 she's got two grandkids yeah yeah like
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: and she's tiff sage.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: Anyway and i'm still waiting for my cans to grow.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Well i don't know that i don't know that you're
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Using your words, not my words. I don't know that
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: your cans are going to grow. I think the best
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: you can hope for is bigger pecs.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: I've got that covered.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I'm working on it.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: No, I think your body's very functional, Tiff. I'm going
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: to say that. I think that's about as much as
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I can comment. But it is very strong and very
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: functional and I wouldn't complain.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Patrick, where do you want to lead us next on
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: your little technical adventure?
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Down the rabbit hole, probably. Look, here's a warning. I
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: buy a lot of stuff online. I find it easy
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: to shop online. I find it convenient to shop online.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: If I want to get stuff tomorrow, even living in
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: a rural area, it's really handy. But ASIC has launched
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: a warning to basically anybody who's buying online that There
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: are some websites out there that are actually fake websites.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: And I did this the other day. I was looking
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: for something online, a fountain pen that I've misplaced. Why
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: does she laugh at me when I just say one word? Man,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: she's having a, yeah, anyway.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: It's not 1958. That's why. A fountain pen.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: There's a beautiful rotary. I just misplaced it. They're near
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: my hush puppies in my pipe somewhere.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: So I was on a train once and I had
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: this fountain pen called a Rotaring Freeway Fountain Pen. It
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: was made in the early 2000s. Anyway, it's a really
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: nice fountain. It's 20 years old.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Tiff, can you hear that sound? It's the sound of
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: listeners turning off.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: Fleeing.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: It's people running the other way. You know when you
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: start a sentence with I had a fountain pen once?
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: It's the complete opposite of what Patrick's supposed to bring
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: to the table here.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: You know how podcasts work, right, and engaging listeners.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, wait a minute. There is a story here that
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: has relevance, right?
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Can you get there quicker?
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: So I lost a fountain pen on a train when
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: it rolled off my lap into a gap between the
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: seat and the actual bolts that bolt the seat to
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: the V-line train.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't realise it was going to get this good.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Someone out there is going to empathise with me,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: you bastards.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Anyway. I would have stuck around if I knew it
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: was going to be this. Is that Hollywood calling?
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we can make it into a movie, sure. Just
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: email Patrick.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: What would you call it, you reckon? What would you
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: call it?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, fucking.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: History of the missing fountain pen.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: I tell you what, for all those people who have got,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: what's that thing where you can't sleep? Insomnia. I can
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: just record this, record this and just press play.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: You want me to finish the story or do you
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: want to go on to something else?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Of course, of course.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: I don't want to bore our, you know, anyway. So
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: I've been looking to try to replace the fountain pen,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: but it's a 20-year-old fountain pen. And I've been online
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: looking and looking and looking for it. And I went
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: to a website. It's like, oh, fountain pen, old stock,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: basically brand new. So I jumped into AI and I said,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: is this a legitimate website? They came back, no, the
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: website hasn't been up long. The specials are too dodgy.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: And it effectively did what I would have done as
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: due diligence. But the reality of it is there are
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: a lot of scam websites out there. And I know
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: the adage, if it's too good to be true, it's
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: too good to be true. But ASIC's coming out and
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: saying that there are very, very good looking websites that
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: are very easy to fool people where they get you
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: to make a purchase where you think I'm getting a
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: real bargain. And the reality of it is you're not
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: getting a bargain because you're never going to get your items.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: You're going to pay for it and it's never going
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: to land. So this is now quite regularly happening to
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: the point where ASIC's come out. The ASIC commissioner, Alan Kirkland,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: has come out and said we need to be really
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: careful if we're shopping online. So stick with the legitimate processes.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: But also when you make payments for anything online... If
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: you're using, say, PayPal, that has quite a robust cash
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: back if something goes wrong. If you're with your credit
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: card company, that sort of thing. So be aware of
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: how you make those payments as well. And if you're
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: saving that credit card information, does the website store that
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: as well? So even though it may seem semi-legitimate, but
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: once it's stored, it's in a database somewhere. And if
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: their database gets hacked, then all your credit card information
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: can't goes with it as well so they're the things
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: you need to be looking out.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: For i think for the average punter it is it
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: is a minefield because i mean i i wouldn't know
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: how to pick it like if it looked legit and
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: it functioned seemingly legitimately and all the products look real
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: and the whatever the payment gateway seems legit and i
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: wouldn't i wouldn't know One of.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: The things you can do is you can do a
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: search to find out when the domain name was registered.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: So through AI, you can do that as well. If
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: you just jump in and say, do the search. Is
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: this a legitimate website? and that can be one way
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: of doing it. But I think that adage gets thrown
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: around a lot. If it's too good to be true,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: it's too good to be true. If you've got a
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: ticket item that's worth $ 1, 000 and they're selling it for $ 150,
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: you've got to ask yourself, this seems like it's way
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: too good to be true. But there's lots of scams
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: on Facebook Marketplace, on secondhand sales sites, and the reality
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: of that is you just don't hand over the money
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: until you've got the item or you're able to connect
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: with the person who's selling it, and that way you're
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: assured of getting the item. But being diligent online is
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: something you've just got to really make plans for. All right.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Give us one more. Give us your best.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: You've got in your little bloody bag of tricks.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: We were talking about, I mean, it's not a good story,
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: but it's an interesting story in terms of SUVs. Some
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: data that's come out, this is a story in the
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: ABC a couple of weeks ago, and it seems that
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: women and children are face a disproportionately higher risk from
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: larger and larger vehicles being on our roads. So the
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: size of vehicles has gotten bigger and bigger. You know,
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: drive to a primary school one day at the end
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: of the day, and people are driving bigger and bigger SUVs. Now,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: the issue seems to be that even though, you know,
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: most of the time car accidents are being reduced with
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: all this great technology, but as vehicles have got bigger...
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: Pedestrians are now in a situation where there's more pedestrian fatalities.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: And there's a couple of reasons for this because the
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: impact zone on a really big vehicle means that if
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: you hit somebody, you're more likely to have head trauma
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: when you get hit by a large vehicle. than you
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: are getting hit by a smaller vehicle, which is not
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: a good thing, but it's a reality. And the most
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: at risk are children and women because by stature, women
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: tend to be smaller than men. And the interesting thing
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: I was reading in this article is when people are
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: in these massive big SUVs and they are quite large,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: they can see really well off into the distance, but
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: the vehicle could actually obstruct pedestrians that are close by.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: And that's a real concern. So this is, you know,
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: and these are statistics that have been looked at, the
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: road safety researchers and urban transport planning and all that
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: sort of stuff. I think some of this research was
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: done in Belgium and it involved 300,000 casualties. So these
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: are people, real instances, and the correlation was it seems
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: like larger vehicles are causing more harm to pedestrians than
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: smaller vehicles. Yeah.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Well, you think about it, Patrick, if somebody your size,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: your height, like back in the old days, or even
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: like with your Nissan NX, let's say you walked up
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: to the front of that and you stood sideways and
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: you put your leg against it.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't even come up to your hip. It would
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: come up to kind of mid-thigh, right?
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Now compare that to some of the utes where it's
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: as high as your shoulder, like the front bonnet area.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: So if you stand in front of that, whereas in
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: the old days on a normal car with a normal bonnet,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: you would just probably go over it and a lot
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: of you wouldn't be impacted the same way, whereas in
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: some of those great big SUVs where the top of
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: the bonnet is shoulder height Yeah, so that's not surprising
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: and it's probably not going to reverse that trend anytime
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: soon because I think it is an interesting thing, just
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: the fascination or obsession that urban dwellers have with gigantic
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: cars that can drive over fucking river crossings and they
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: never leave the urban kind of landscape.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Like they spend their life on bitumen.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Living in a rural area, I know lots of people
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: who tow– trailers for horses they collect firewood they need
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: a tow barn they need a big vehicle they go
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: a little bit of off-road and let's face it the
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: state of the roads in Victoria is so bad I
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: think almost everybody has an argument for needing that's valid
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: so maybe they do need it even going and picking
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: up the school the kids after school you need a
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: four-wheel drive to get there and back at the moment
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: but but it is a valid point that you know
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: are they for purpose are they fit for purpose I
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: don't know how people can afford to pay all that
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: money for diesel and fuel. When you think of the
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: gas guzzling, the bigger the vehicle, it stands to reason
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: the more it's going to cost in terms of fuel.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: I know you laughed at me a few episodes before
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: where I was saying how I was really watching my
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: driving and I think I was saving myself $ 5 and
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: you just laughed at me because... Yeah, anyway.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: What were you doing, like coasting down the hills or something?
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: If I go from Blan's at 300 metres.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Notice how his voice gets higher straight away.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: I would be the worst person in a court case,
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: wouldn't I? There's no way that I could. If I
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: was being charged, facial recognition aside, there's no way you're
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: going to convict me.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: You go straight from tenor to soprano.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I have a very good vocal range. I can sing. Yeah, anyway,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: I don't think that was a good thing, was it?
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: I wasn't really defending myself in any way. But that said.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Tiff, can you give him the TYP shovel and he
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: can maybe dig himself out? Yeah.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, I thought it was to pick up the crap.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: The shovel.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: I need a shovel, not a doggy bag. I need
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: a shovel.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I thought you said the crab then.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: No, the crab.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Not the crab, the crap.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the crab. Oh.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, we're all over the shop, aren't we?
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: We are, aren't we?
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Who's the crab?
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Who's the crab?
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Patrick, where can people connect with you and follow you?
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know that they're going to want to this week,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: but that's okay.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: We could talk fountain pens. Hey, I'll tell you what.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: If you have a fountain pen and you love fountain
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: pens like I do, let me know what fountain pen
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: you're using and just message me at websitesnow.com.au, websitesnow.com.au, and
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: let me know what your favorite fountain pen is. Is
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: it a Waterman? Maybe you've got a Montblanc. A Montblanc
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: could be a nice pair.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Just open the floodgates on that.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Do you reckon anybody will message me?
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: No.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: No. Do we have a bet? Can we have a bet?
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: What do we have a bet, Tiff? I reckon we
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: should have a bet. What are we going to bet?
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: Come put your money where your mouth is, Craig. I
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: think that we have listeners who use fountain pens.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: I was going to say something inappropriate and hilarious, and
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: you two would have laughed your asses off, but no, no.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the bet is off air, but
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I can't tell you on air.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Tiff, enjoy your trip to Queensland.
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: Thank you so much.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Are you getting on stage and speaking or are.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: You just up there schmoozing?
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: No, no, I'm just schmoozing.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: I'm just schmoozing and sitting up the back being disruptive.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: That's you. That's you.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Patrick, websites now, tell us.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: If you use a fountain pen, just contact me, websitesnow.com.au.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: And just send a message. Just let me know what
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: fountain pen you use and how much you love it.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: That's it? That's all you want to shout out today? Yeah.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's Pink Up the Land at the moment. That's
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: been fun. I've been raising money for the McGrath Foundation,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: a whole month of pink activities. What do you reckon
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: they invited me? I was in a fashion show last week, Craig.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Were you?
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Upshot fashion show. It was great. I got $ 20
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: for my first outfit and $ 50 for the second outfit.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Please stop.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Just look up Pink Up Berlin and you can see
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: the photos.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Or don't. Or don't.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Everyone, I formally apologise.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Patrick, Tiff, I don't even want to say thanks.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Just see you next time.
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: See you.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Will there be a next time?