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ROR 145: Luigi Mangione · Red Onion Randy - Life in a Supermax Prison

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  Speaker 2: Let's get started with the podcast today. I'm gonna talk
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  Speaker 2: about the case that's been in the news pretty much
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  Speaker 2: worldwide for the last couple of weeks. Luigi Manchioni. On
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  Speaker 2: December fourth, twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty four, my birthday.
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  Speaker 2: Coincidentally, he supposedly shot and murdered Brian Thompson, the fifty
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  Speaker 2: year old CEO of United Healthcare, outside the New York
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  Speaker 2: Hilton Hotel. Now, you know, there's a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 2: in the news. Uh, I'm not gonna come at it
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  Speaker 2: from that angle. I want to do it a little
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  Speaker 2: bit differently.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I find it interesting that he used a
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  Speaker 2: three D printed gun. You know, that's that's that's pretty
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  Speaker 2: crazy to me. You know, I'm kind of curious as
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  Speaker 2: where did he get the three D printer machine? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: is this something that you can simply go to Costco
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  Speaker 2: or walmartin by or like did he actually have to
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  Speaker 2: take this to a shop that has like a huge
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  Speaker 2: pre D you know, three D printer and you know,
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  Speaker 2: pay somebody there under the table to make him a
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  Speaker 2: three D printed gun. You know, because let's face it,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm working in a shop and somebody comes in
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  Speaker 2: and says, hey, man, I want you to print me
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  Speaker 2: a gun real quick, like, I'm prop not going to
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  Speaker 2: do that simply because I know it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: used for something nefarious. I mean, that's kind of obvious.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I am a little curious as to
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  Speaker 2: how he actually got that. Uh. I find that part,
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  Speaker 2: you know, very interesting, you know from what I've seen
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  Speaker 2: on the news. You know it it they have overwhelming
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  Speaker 2: evidence that you know, this guy actually did do it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he is guilty of it.
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  Speaker 1: Am I.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's let's let's switch out real quick. Let's
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  Speaker 2: go back to this dude, Blind Thompson. You know, United
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  Speaker 2: Healthcare from everything that they're saying that this guy had
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  Speaker 2: deliberately created an AI machine, you know, artificial intelligence to
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  Speaker 2: start processing all of these claims, and that they had
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  Speaker 2: it designed with an actual glitch into programs so it
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  Speaker 2: would deliberately deny the majority of people's claims, which you know,
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  Speaker 2: has caused numerous deaths because you know, people couldn't get insurance,
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  Speaker 2: they couldn't get treated medically, and so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 2: It that a lot of people suffered. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: people that are still you know, alive, like they can't
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  Speaker 2: be treated, so they're in you know, enormous pain. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean, as far as I'm concerned, like, if you're
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  Speaker 2: doing something like that, if you're putting profits above the
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  Speaker 2: health of your clients, what's the what's the point of
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  Speaker 2: an insurance company? Because I've always been under the impression
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  Speaker 2: that the whole purpose of having insurance well so that
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  Speaker 2: you could better take care of your health, so that
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  Speaker 2: you could have you know, nobody goes to the hospital
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  Speaker 2: every single day, every single week. Let's face it. Most
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  Speaker 2: of us are averse to going to the hospital, and
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  Speaker 2: we don't like doing it, and we only do it
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  Speaker 2: if we kind of have to. That's the overwhelming majority
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  Speaker 2: of people, you know, from my experience and so on
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  Speaker 2: and so forth. Yeah, you have some you know, hypochondriacs
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  Speaker 2: that are constantly doing all that stuff. So I get
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  Speaker 2: it in those cases, But like the majority of people,
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  Speaker 2: they pay this money every single month, do they pay
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  Speaker 2: for insurance so that when something does happen to them. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: they have that you know, that money stockpiled with the
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  Speaker 2: insurance company to pay for their treatment.
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  Speaker 1: That's the whole purpose of this. So while the is.
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  Speaker 2: This dude stealing from people? And I mean, it seems
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  Speaker 2: to be clear cutting tried that that's what this specific
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  Speaker 2: guy was doing. He was stockpiling all this money for
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  Speaker 2: his company, which means he was taking the lion's share
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  Speaker 2: for himself. I guarantee. He's just like a lot of
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  Speaker 2: lawmakers in America. Every time they go up for a
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  Speaker 2: new session, they're always giving themselves a freaking pay raise.
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  Speaker 2: You know, this dude was doing that. He was stealing
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  Speaker 2: money left and right, and just like I did in
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  Speaker 2: the Alaska Avenger episode, vigilanteism. Is it all right?
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  Speaker 1: Is it wrong?
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  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it comes down to
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  Speaker 2: who you ask. What happens when the law is ineffective?
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  Speaker 2: What happens when this person.
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  Speaker 1: Can bother the law?
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  Speaker 2: What I mean? And that's another thing I havecking problem with.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't seem like this guy, Luigi Manngione
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  Speaker 2: has money. He doesn't come from money, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: he had his home health issues and he had insurance
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  Speaker 2: with the United Health Group and he got denied and
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  Speaker 2: so on and so forth, and it put himself in
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  Speaker 2: a position and it really angered him and pissed him off,
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  Speaker 2: and he took miners into his own hands. I can
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  Speaker 2: see that I've not to this extent and definitely not
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  Speaker 2: to this fame. But you know, if longtime listeners to
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  Speaker 2: my podcast will know, you know, I've been in prison
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  Speaker 2: since I was a seven years old. I did seven
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  Speaker 2: years juvenile, I've done almost twenty seven as an adult now.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I had a guy back in the day,
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  Speaker 2: you know, go around cent he's gona knock me out,
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  Speaker 2: rate me. So I slid his throat before he could,
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  Speaker 2: you know, before he even had the chance. I jumped
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  Speaker 2: on him right then and there. So I understand. Sometimes,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a man feels like he has to take
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  Speaker 2: the law into his own hands. You have to do
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  Speaker 2: what you have to do. But at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, you know, you pay the price for that.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what bothered me, Like this one thing. That's
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  Speaker 2: why I'm glad so many Americans have actually donated to
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  Speaker 2: this guy's legal fund. And that's something that pisses me
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  Speaker 2: off about the US justice system. If you do not
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  Speaker 2: have money. If you come from a poor family, you
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  Speaker 2: will not get a decent lawyer. A lot of public
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  Speaker 2: defenders they're either brand new, they're straight out of law school.
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  Speaker 2: They don't really know what they're doing. They don't know
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  Speaker 2: the ins.
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  Speaker 1: And outs of the.
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  Speaker 2: Legal system that you know, the courts and so on
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  Speaker 2: and so forth. They're still learning the law, and you
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  Speaker 2: get screwed.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you've got public.
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  Speaker 2: Defenders that they have, you know, like they're representing three
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  Speaker 2: four hundred clients at one time, and it's just so overwhelming.
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  Speaker 2: They can only spend like fifteen minutes a day on
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  Speaker 2: your case, so you're getting ineffective assistance of council every
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  Speaker 2: single time. So it makes me happy that this guy
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  Speaker 2: is actually going to get some really really good lawyers
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  Speaker 2: and you know people are going to help him pay
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  Speaker 2: for it. And and that right there should show lawmakers
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  Speaker 2: in this country where people are standing on these issues.
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  Speaker 2: Why does a company like United Health Group, why do
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  Speaker 2: they have to have billions and billions and billions of
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  Speaker 2: dollars in profit every single year? As long as you
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  Speaker 2: don't drop down into the red, you stay in the black.
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  Speaker 2: Be happy with that, Like, you know, I don't. That's
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  Speaker 2: what a thing I don't understand about these companies. Man, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: making a profit is good, but making a profit at
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  Speaker 2: the expense of the people giving you their money is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I genuinely I know this will never happen. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not even sure in my fantasies and daydreams I
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  Speaker 2: could get this to happen, because it's just so unrealistic.
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  Speaker 2: But I would love if people would just boycott companies
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  Speaker 2: like to take the ten most egregious price galging companies
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  Speaker 2: in the world and for just six months, no matter what,
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  Speaker 2: nobody will buy on that company. Yeah, if people lose
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  Speaker 2: their jobs, I'm sorry for you people who lose their jobs.
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  Speaker 2: But like it's time for people to stand up, poor people,
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  Speaker 2: middle class to stand up and say, look, man, enough
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  Speaker 2: is enough. We are tired of giving y'all these extravagant
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  Speaker 2: ass lifestyles because y'all just taking and taking and taking
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  Speaker 2: everything from us. You keep raising the prices.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna start. It's gonna happen more and more often.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing about incidents like this. People see this
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  Speaker 2: and they will get.
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  Speaker 1: Inspired by this.
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  Speaker 2: You have the Alaskan adventure. He took the law into
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  Speaker 2: his own hands against child clusters. You've got Luigian mansion.
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  Speaker 2: He went after corporate America. More people are going to
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  Speaker 2: start doing this. And that's the thing that pissed me
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  Speaker 2: off about the news. Like when the guy got killed,
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  Speaker 2: the news media wasn't asking why why did this person
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  Speaker 2: do what they did? Why was this man targeted? No,
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  Speaker 2: they immediately started talking fortune five hundred CEOs, need better security,
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  Speaker 2: need better security, need better security. Know what you need
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  Speaker 2: to do is stop robbing the public. Stop charging these
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  Speaker 2: astronomical ass prices. Accept a twenty five percent profit. You
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  Speaker 2: do not need a two thousand and five hundred percent profit.
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  Speaker 2: And it's the same thing that the Keeping group is doing.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same thing that biopath is doing. It's the
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  Speaker 2: same thing that secure As Technologies is doing here in prison.
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  Speaker 2: The television that I had to buy, it only costs
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  Speaker 2: twenty five dollars to make, but I have to pay
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  Speaker 2: two hundred and eighty dollars to purchase it. Somebody out
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  Speaker 2: there who's really good with math, do the price on that.
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  Speaker 1: What is the difference? What is the profit margin on a.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty five dollars television? And I'm paying two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: eighty dollars for it. That doesn't include the coax cable,
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't include the TV splitter, that doesn't include the
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  Speaker 2: surge protector I have to buy along with it, that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't include the forty dollars pair of headphones I have
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  Speaker 2: to buy so I can listen to it. In some ways,
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  Speaker 2: I like him. I respect what this guy did, but
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I wish that he
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  Speaker 2: would have.
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  Speaker 1: Found a different way because.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to see this dude spend his life
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  Speaker 2: in prison. Now, don't get me wrong, Like.
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  Speaker 1: This dude is going to be a celebrity in prison.
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  Speaker 1: Like again, you know, he's the young guy, good looking.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's gonna kind of have it made a
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  Speaker 2: little bit because he's going to have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: women writing him. He's going to have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people sending them money for commissary, sending them books, visiting
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  Speaker 2: him and helping him out. You know, he's going to
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  Speaker 2: spend a lot of time talking to people over the phone.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's so his prison time isn't going to
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  Speaker 2: be as hard as a lot of others because you know,
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  Speaker 2: when he comes to prison, like he's going to have people,
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  Speaker 2: you know, pulling up on them. They're gonna want to
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  Speaker 2: be in that circle with him. They're gonna want to
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  Speaker 2: you know, the same way.
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  Speaker 1: With P Diddy.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you're gonna have some people that are gonna
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  Speaker 2: use him. But the difference between P Diddy and Luigi
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  Speaker 2: is this P Diddy was doing some raping, like he was,
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  Speaker 2: he's a sex offender. Sex offenders are not well viewed
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  Speaker 2: in prison. Luigi, however, it's just a straight murderer. Supposedly
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  Speaker 2: he hasn't been felt guilty yet, and that's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: fall That's gonna be so interesting right there. Like I
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  Speaker 2: actually am Normally, I don't really pay attention to other
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  Speaker 2: people's trials just because you know, I've got my own
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  Speaker 2: stuff to deal with. But I am gonna pay attention
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  Speaker 2: to this one. And I kind of hope they actually
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  Speaker 2: play it on television because I do want to watch
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  Speaker 2: some of it. I'm not sure because he's gonna take
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  Speaker 2: a cherry trial and there's so many play you're either
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  Speaker 2: you hate this out for what he did or you
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  Speaker 2: absolutely loved this guy for what he did. Like there's
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  Speaker 2: very very few people who were like me in the middle,
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  Speaker 2: you can see an understand both sides of it. So
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  Speaker 2: I am really curious to see what this jury is
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  Speaker 2: going to look like.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really.
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of thinking with the way things are going
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  Speaker 2: to support this man has like I could legitimately see
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  Speaker 2: him get in either found not guilty regardless of the evidence,
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  Speaker 2: or you know, it's going to be a hung jury.
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  Speaker 2: And I can see that happening in quite a few cases,
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  Speaker 2: because I mean, you've got some people out there that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when they go to that jury selection and
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  Speaker 2: you know, they ask, do you have insurance with United
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  Speaker 2: Health Group? Guys, No, I don't, and like me literally
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  Speaker 2: might not. But maybe one of his family members does,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe this situation, you know, acclaim for his child
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  Speaker 2: or his mom or grandma or something was denied by
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  Speaker 2: an insurance company and they wound up passing away or
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  Speaker 2: something like they're going on. You know, they want they've
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  Speaker 2: got a chance to get some get back, so they
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  Speaker 2: might go into this trial and just tell well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't really paid attention to it, and I did
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  Speaker 2: see some stuff on it, but you know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: really give a one way or the other.
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  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all nope, no insurance, you know, blah blah, And
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  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden they get to the jury
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  Speaker 2: and they'll be like, you know what, man, I find
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  Speaker 2: a guy not guilty, and y'all ain't changing my mind,
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  Speaker 2: And they just sit there and hold their arms and
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  Speaker 2: just wait and like, nope, I refuse, nope, not guilty,
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  Speaker 2: not guilty. I can genuinely see that happening in his case.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it really is a polarizing case. And that's
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  Speaker 2: what bothers me because I don't see in the news.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see these news media personality he's talking about. Look,
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  Speaker 2: we need to change the way we do insurance in
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  Speaker 2: this coin. We need to change the way these companies
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  Speaker 2: are folowing these claims. We need to make sure that
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  Speaker 2: these claims are not being vetted.
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  Speaker 1: You have one minute.
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  Speaker 2: We need to make sure that these these claims are
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  Speaker 2: not being vetted.
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  Speaker 1: By a computer program.
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  Speaker 2: You have to have human intelligence, human compassion involved in
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  Speaker 2: this process. People need to stand up against these companies
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  Speaker 2: to say enough is enough. Y'all can make a decent profit,
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  Speaker 2: but y'all are going to stop robbing us, or we're
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  Speaker 2: just going to give you the middle finger. And take
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  Speaker 2: our money elsewhere.
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