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I think the word is akimbo, right?
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Arms, legs displayed, you know, in every, every direction.
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This week on that car show, Dan thinks we're recording when
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we're not. It's been a big 48 hours for car
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news. Dodge pulls the Charger Daytona
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RTEV. The charger plug.
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There. You go pulls the plug on the
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charger Daytona RTE because of lack of interest Honda pivots
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back I'm. Shocked.
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From EVs and saddest of all Porsche ends.
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The 718 and Boxster 718 came in and Boxster production this year
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so or went out for those. I had an epic Southern
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California car day with a Shelby event in the morning and the
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Zenvo Aurora reveal in the afternoon.
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Evening Dan looks at copious amounts of wagons.
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At the Peterson. We had some listener questions.
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Ryan got to drive a Ferrari 355, and you can read more about it
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in his latest article for Autoblog, out this week.
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The longest intro ever for the shortest episode ever.
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I loved it. Is that it?
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That's all. All right, the end.
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And now you don't have to listen to the show.
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So welcome to this week's That Car Show.
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The gang is back together for another crew show and we're
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going to kick things off with a bit of a good news, bad news.
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So let's start with some good news.
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The good news is that Ryan has had a discount on his car
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insurance and finally now going in the right direction.
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Isn't that right, Ryan? Yeah, 30 bucks a month, which I
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know is nothing. That's a cocktail and a half,
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probably in LA if that. But but 30 bucks?
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All right. Yeah, it's 360 bucks a year if
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you're following. And, you know, it's just, I
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wasn't expecting to see that, you know, you get the, this is
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how the insurance companies do it now.
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They send you an e-mail and they say, oh, you've got, you know,
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your policy has renewed. But if you want to see what it
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was renewed at, you've got to like find your password login,
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right? And I was just so shocked to see
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that it actually gone down. And then I, I was reminded that
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I'll be turning 50 here in the next 6 months.
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And I guess it's, you know, one of the one of the few benefits
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of, of, of getting older. One of the perks.
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One of the perks. Besides the life experience and
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wisdom you've gained? I must be in the prime of my
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driving life though, right? You know, I'm, I'm the safest.
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I'm the. Less of a risk to everyone else.
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Exactly. And that's, and that's, I mean,
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it's, it's amazing. Any of us are are are here, I
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suppose. But it's, it's, yeah, I don't
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know. It's the little things.
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As you get older, it becomes the little things more and more,
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Right. Right.
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All right. So we're all going on vacation.
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There we go, Ryan's paying for the cocktails as.
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Long as Ryan St. I know, I know a place in
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Brownsville OR that we can. Here we go, you get a burger and
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a pint for 30 bucks. That's right.
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Well, now that you guys have performed there, we have an
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insider seat. I think we need to go back to
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collect those tips, don't we? I do wonder how that show went
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after we left. Yeah, I think it might have been
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worth sticking around to find out, like seeing if, you know,
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somebody didn't show up and they're like, you guys are up.
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Yeah, all right. Do you know how much alcohol
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that would require? Hey, sometimes you got to do it
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for the plot, though. You're like, you know what?
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In fact, we are the comedians. Right.
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Point me to the stage. Next time, next time the three
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of us are traveling together, Lindsay.
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Yeah, that that'll be our opportunity.
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Oh yeah. Go to the Comedy Store in LA and
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and open night night. So bad news.
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So good news, bad news, bad news.
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Today there has been a significant announcement from
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Stuttgart. And actually as a result of this
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announcement, it may push Ryan's insurance back up.
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So. So what did Porsche say?
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Porsche has announced A spokesperson from Porsche
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confirmed that the 718 came in and the boxer will cease
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production later this year. When you was coming.
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One out I you know. Yeah, well, would you like to
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know why are? They blaming tariffs because it
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seems like everyone is blaming tariffs.
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No, they are blaming cybersecurity.
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That's right. So.
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So here's the background. So on July 1st 2024 the UN
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passed regulation #155 S UNR 155 went into effect requiring or it
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went into effect then requiring automakers to integrate specific
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cybersecurity protocols in all vehicles sold at large volumes.
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Additionally, the regulation requires that automakers must
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maintain an audit ready record at each step in the development
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showing all privacy measures that were implemented.
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Porsche would have to completely reengineer the Boxer and the
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Cayman in order for these models to be in compliance with the
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regulation, which is much too costly given the timeline for
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the launch of the EV 7/18. So they yeah, like it's not
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economically viable for them to go back and completely redesign
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both of those cars. And they also can't scrap all
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the development they've invested in the EV7 eighteens.
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So unfortunately it kills those two models.
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And I, I, I take a look at my GT4 here and I think it's a
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pretty basic car, right? Like it's not like some
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technology laden thing, like, you know, a Tesla or something,
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right? But maybe that works against it
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because you can't back engineer or whatever in the same way
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either. It's.
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Yeah. Well, and I think I mean, like,
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you know, people joke about like the cars are now computers on
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wheels, but we all know how much software is in the cars at this
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point. And you know, a lot of it we
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don't see obviously. But I mean, I know when I was at
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the automotive tech company, when I was at ZEVO up here, like
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that was a big deal. We we qualified for some
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certification where we had met all the requirements.
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We were being safe with the data and that was we were just
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producing a part of it and it was a huge deal for us to
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achieve that. So to have to certify the entire
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car, you know, I can imagine and and when you think about to have
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to maintain an audit ready record that's available and
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current at any moment that could necessitate the creation of an
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entire department almost like for the company to stay in
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compliance so. Of all the things I thought
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would put the final nail in that coffin, I didn't think it was
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going to be cybersecurity. The robots are running amok,
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destroying some of our favorite. Classes so I guess so I guess.
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That's part of the question though, because a lot of the
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parts are shared, aren't they, between the 9/11 and the?
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So how is it the 9/11 meets those requirements and?
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Well. I mean, it could just be like if
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they looked at the whole landscape and they said, OK, we
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can afford to keep some, but not all.
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Yeah, like that would be my guess, especially because
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they're so far into the 718. Yeah.
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I think that 8. Years hole.
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In it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you.
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Can't, you know, to try and justify that as a company, Like
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we're just going to toss that out?
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That doesn't work either, right? Right, right.
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Despite, yeah, despite the 982 nomenclature, right, it's not
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really aligned with the 992. It's like 1/2 generation behind.
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So that was always interesting too.
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They never really. Well, another story for another
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time. I don't want this to turn into a
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Porsche podcast, but yeah. What again, going to turn into
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one. I think we're there.
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I think that is the single most common thread in the feedback we
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get that I talk too much about Porsche.
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You. Know let's go.
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I don't think good news, shall we?
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Yeah, well, do we? Can I?
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We have in the last 48 hours, we have the two other news items.
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They're both bad news, though. Aren't.
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They both bad news, so here why don't we get them out of the way
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just the briefly Honda has announced it's switching its
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focus from EVs back to hybrids and Dodge.
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There was not enough interest in the electric Charger Daytona RT,
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so Dodge has announced that will not be.
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That will not be happening either.
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And back to you with the. Good news?
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Fan surprised? Yeah, Yeah.
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These are like common sense statements, aren't they?
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It's like we we knew as consumers.
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It's just it took a while for the car companies to catch up.
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Yeah, they. Just called that car show.
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We could have saved them a lot of.
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Time right? Available for consultancy 1800
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of that car show. That's right.
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We have all the answers, yes. Back to good news.
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So by the time this podcast is out, our very good friend Jorge
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Aquino and Tormenting Tarmac will have released.
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I think we recorded it a month ago.
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Wasn't it? Even more maybe.
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It was mid-april, Yeah, some more than a month.
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So that that episode. So if you want 2 doses of us
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this week then listen to Tormenting Tarmac and yeah.
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Yeah, I think it'll be fun. I do remember at least two of us
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were very, very tired that evening.
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That said, Jorge promises that it's a fun episode, so a.
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Banger, I think a. Banger, banger.
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A banger. Yeah, that's the metric.
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If Jorge says it's a banger, that's how you know it's good.
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Not mid, right? Banger all the way.
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We only deliver banger fire. Come on, let's go.
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Yeah, yeah. So on the good news theme, I
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think we talked about this in the past about gated manual
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cars. We did.
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And I think, Lindsay, you were the only one who had driven A
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gated manual car, is that right? I think that's correct.
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I drove a friend of the show, Mark Foster's 308, and that was
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the first gated manual I had driven.
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Yeah. So now I'm the odd one out.
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Because Ryan, you lived a boyhood dream this week, didn't
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you? And.
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I did my best at at living that dream.
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Yeah, I thanks to a local friend here, Brian Rudin.
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I I was able to have my first Ferrari F355 experience and this
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my excuse was it was an Autoblog article.
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So look for that by the time this show is released, if not
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Friday, probably Monday, it'll be out.
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But I, you know, as a writer, you're always trying to sort of
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find, you know, something that that that hits right with the
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audience. And so I had this idea, why
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don't I drive the the poster cars of my youth, right?
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And that's just a great excuse to get behind the wheel of, of
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some of these things. So you heard it here first.
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I have to, it's for work. Next week he's going to be in a
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Model T Ford. Sorry.
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I see what you did there. I see what you did there.
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I'm more of a model A generation, but you know, it's.
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Yeah, actually, you know what the next car will be.
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Yeah. And and you won't, you know, I
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guess what what is? What's the.
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Yeah, you heard it here first. But he's just flexing now,
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Lindsay. Yeah, pretty much like what else
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could I? Yeah.
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Well, we'll come back to the 355, but I think next on the
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docket is a is a Lamborghini Diablo.
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So, but I have to be able to fit in it and that was a bit of a
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challenge with the 355. I learned more about 35 fives in
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the last 24 hours putting this article together and talking
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with Brian. But this was a 90 is a 95, which
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is the first year of the 355. I learned a couple things.
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The manual transmission cars, which was the only car available
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for this first few years, those are technically called the F355
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and then later they were joined by the 1st F1 cars, right?
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The the automated manual cars and those were the 355F1.
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So that's there's a distinction during the fact checking stage,
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I had to go back and make a few adjustments, but beautiful car.
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The 95 cars a little different because it was the first year
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and it was the only year of the OBD one cars.
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So for 1996, OBD 2 came in and I guess those who know like the
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the the 95 because it's got a freer flowing engine and maybe a
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little more oomph, even if it's not officially, you know that
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and. So why do they feel like that's
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the case? Like what was the difference?
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Yeah, I think there are a few detail differences.
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Maybe the seats are a little bit different.
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I think it just supposedly sounds a little bit better, you
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know, as a free or flowing, you know, engine and all that.
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Was it like a bigger? Air intake or something I think
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I think so it was it was it was it was maybe a single air take
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intake versus 2 or something that that changed the the intake
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sound I. Think is like the performance,
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yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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And a few other little things that just, I guess, make it the
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one to have. But along with that, in an
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already small car, you get an extra small pedal box, which I
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guess was, no, you know, but the 96 cars, for whatever reason,
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they got bigger. So much like the.
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Yeah, I think that must have been it.
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You know, you these cars literally were our poster cars.
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And so they always sort of loomed larger than life.
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And you don't really think about them being as small as they are,
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especially, you know, anyone can fit in a, you know, 458 or a
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newer, you know, Ferrari, right, or especially the, you know,
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the, the front engine cars, right, They're pretty, pretty
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substantial, right vehicles. Well, you know, the 355 was in
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so many ways, the last of the old school cars, right?
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And so they're, they're, they're tiny.
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And then my friend who owns the car and he's got a whole, he's
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got like all the cool cars from we were growing up.
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So hopefully this is the beginning of a of a.
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Long and beautiful friendship. Yes, yes, yes.
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You'll have to read the article for kind of the genesis of his
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collection and all that, but. There's a good story there.
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Great story there. But The thing is we are sized
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very differently. I'm, I'm in, as I say in the air
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call, I'm an XL to his medium. And so his cars are set up for
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him. And so, well, I probably would
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have been able to fit in this car OK with the stock seats.
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He's got this car sort of set up to challenge what was the, the
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racing series, the Ferrari challenge spec, you know.
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Yeah. And, and so he's got sparkle
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racing shells, you know, so they're not adjustable.
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They probably just weren't positioned how I would have
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positioned them. So I was able to get in the
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seat. It was a little tight, but I was
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just like, I think the word is akimbo, right?
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Arms, legs slayed, you know, in every, every direction.
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Yeah. And so because of that, I didn't
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really get the driving experience that I I probably
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would have otherwise. It's gonna be remedied soon
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because one of his friends has a targa with the standard seats
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and so he he swears that I'll fit it fine, but we'll, we'll
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see. What a cool car.
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A little. Compare and contrast.
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A little compare and contrast. Yeah, you know, it's and then
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I'll just have to do a spider just to complete the set.
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But you you know the car, right? I mean, it's an icon.
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It's supposedly one of the best sounding modern Ferraris.
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I I think that's true. Everyone who's got one has some
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sort of aftermarket exhaust. A2 beer.
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Capristo. Brian's got something different,
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which isn't come to my coming to mind right now, but I guess I
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was expecting something a little more brutish, a little more
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rough. It rides amazingly well.
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It's like a sewing machine, right?
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It's just, it's, it's smooth, it's easy to drive.
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I mean, I think his car is really dialed in.
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That gated shifter. It was, it didn't add a a layer
15:16
of difficulty or anything. It came very naturally.
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I, as we were talking about before we hit record here, I was
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very, very careful downshifting at a second because you know,
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it's about 5mm away from reverse and that's not how I want to go
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out. We're anti money shift here on
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that. Yeah, yeah.
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And of course, you know, Speaking of money, there was a
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time when these were pretty affordable Ferraris, right?
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These were fifty $60,000 cars and not that long ago and I
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think the good coop now is closer to 1A and 50 and a good
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target is even a little more. Spiders I think can still be had
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probably for 80 or 90,000 which is interesting.
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And as I mentioned the article, maybe the spider is the move for
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me. Just easier to get in and out
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of, but beautiful driving car. Just you know, everyone thinks
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it's a Testarossa, right? Does have that that sort of
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look, But Brian, which I. Love from my childhood.
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Brian says this is a much better driving car than a Testarossa,
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right. The Testarossa kind of, you
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know, lumbers around and this thing is light on its feet,
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right? Which makes sense, but didn't
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disappoint, other than it just didn't fit the damn thing very
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well. And you know, I don't know, I,
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it's, it's, it's rough out there.
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Now, granted, it's not just the height.
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If I lost 40 lbs, it'd probably fit me a lot better too.
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But the fixed. Seats might not be as much of an
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issue. No.
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Did you did you lust after this car, either of you?
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I mean, was this like for me, this was kind of the first
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modern Ferrari on the map for me, right?
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The one that. I think.
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The Testarossa. I'm a little older than you
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both. Like the Testarossa made such an
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impression on me as a kid, I was lucky to get to see one up
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close. We had a family friend's uncle
16:51
that actually had one and so he brought it over when I was nice
16:54
like 5th grade. And so that's kind of the one
16:56
that you know, that. And of course, like Magnum was
16:59
my first television show. So between that, between the
17:02
Testa Rosa and the three O 8, like I was kind of like, you
17:06
know, the Ferraris were sort of settled for me on those two.
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Yeah, I've not driven one, but in 2009 I did a What's the right
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word? What is it when people take a A
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journey to something sacred. A.
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Pilgrimage. Pilgrimage.
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I did a pilgrimage to Le Mon and I was Co driver in one.
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And so they mean I didn't drive it.
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I just was Co driver. A friend from work had it, but I
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the thing I remember and it'd be interesting when Ryan you drive
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the other one, it's amazing how you just remember small things
17:36
about cars. And in this case it was how
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comfortable it was. It was the most comfortable car
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I've ever ridden in. And this is a sports car, right?
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Yeah, yeah, I I agree or agree with that statement.
17:50
It, it seemingly rode better than my GT4 again, even the, the
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passenger was a racing shell, you know, so I was, my knees
17:57
were up high. It didn't look too cool, but
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yeah, it was, I was expecting it to be a real flinty ride.
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You know, I, I solicited questions for tonight's show on
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Instagram and got some, got several questions around the
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355. A lot of them were around, uh,
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maintenance costs and just ownership costs.
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And that was something that I asked Brian.
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And one of the things that I think has scared a lot of people
18:20
away from these cars in the past was this engine out, right.
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Engine out every three years. Engine out.
18:24
It's this big deal. Whether you drive or not, you
18:26
got to take the engine out. Yeah.
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And it sounds like that was more of a, like a, a cash grab from
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Ferrari back in the day than actual necessity.
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And that the accepted interval now is closer to seven years.
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So when you look at it seven years, Brian's like the, you
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know, the annual running cost of this thing are like $3500.
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For a Ferrari. Yeah, yeah.
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That's, you know, I would say it's probably more than, you
18:48
know, your typical Porsche, but not by much. 10 years of savings
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from Ryan's insurance, right? That's right.
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But really, what your insurance is saying, we are paving the way
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for you to get a three. Yeah, absolutely.
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Absolutely. And if I drive this next one and
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I can fit in it, I think it's a car I'd love to own someday.
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It's just, you know, Jorge, actually Speaking of Jorge, he
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asked what was like versus the GT4 And it's similar in some
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ways because both mid engine very well balanced, very light,
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but you know, it was even a lighter, smoother experience
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than the GT4. And that's really, that's really
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saying something, but also didn't seem for you.
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Because we know how much you love the GT4.
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Love it, love it, love it. I mean, I'm sure the GT4 would
19:30
run circles around it, around a track, whatever.
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It's just, you know, 30 years newer, right, But you know, I
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don't think it would be, you know, quite the the gulf that
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that you might, you know, think at first, right.
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And this car had a rumble big brake kit.
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It had, you know, had the challenge wheels, which are a
19:45
little bigger, had been lowered an inch and all that's what's
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really dialed in. And guys, that sound, you know,
19:50
if you buy it for no other reason than that sound, it is
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just I go again, go to a little I'm a little more descriptive in
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the article, but it nothing sounds like that except like,
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you know, an 8 cylinder F1 car and that's it's it's just it's
20:03
amazing going through a tunnel. I only wish it were a little
20:05
louder. I mean, it was just that that
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that good. It just sings, just sings.
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So very cool. So moving on, moving on.
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But it was fun. You're going to hear about the
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Diablo next time, right? In terms.
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Of. So let's go a bit more modern
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and there is a Danish supercar that I think was brought to fame
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and it was the first time I knew about it from Shmee in the UK
20:29
because he had a partnership with one.
20:30
But they've launched a new car in LA last weekend.
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Lindsay was that right? That's right.
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The Zenvo, it's like Zenvo 2 point O is what all the company
20:39
representatives were describing it as, because they've they
20:42
were. The company was founded in 2007
20:45
and what I love is that they they say we've been producing
20:48
Denmark's only hyper car for 15 years, which is I don't know
20:52
that there's a lot of competition in Denmark, but
20:56
clearly not. So the first car was called the
20:58
St. one, but what they debuted in the US on Saturday is called
21:02
the Aurora. And so there are two models
21:06
publicly. They announced the Aurora in
21:08
2023, but this was like they're kind of on the US, you know,
21:11
launch tour with two of the CART 2 versions of the Aurora, the
21:16
agile and the tour. And those are Danish words for
21:20
agile and touring. So they have the road going one
21:24
and the track focused. And the launch was at Galpin
21:28
Lotus in Beverly Hills, which is a really cool location.
21:32
If you haven't seen like, it's worth a trip just stopping in to
21:35
see the building because it's a really unique building and makes
21:39
for amazing car spotting even just on the road, you know,
21:43
around the building. And so the it's a totally new,
21:49
you know, ground up design. It's the lightest and most
21:52
powerful Rd. car that Zenbow has produced.
21:55
And I was lucky enough to get to sit in the tour and the global
22:00
director of sales, who is actually named Pushcar, showed
22:04
me around the car and, you know, answered all my questions.
22:08
And Galpin, you know, Beau Bachman, who runs Galpin, he
22:12
spoke at the event. And then Zen Bo's leader Yen's,
22:14
he also made some remarks. My favorite thing about the
22:20
Aurora is the gauges. When you get in, you don't see
22:24
any screens. And that was intentional.
22:26
They wanted it to be very like driving experience focused, no
22:31
distraction. They said we feel like the
22:32
screens have gotten out of control.
22:34
So they were very intentional in how they included the modern
22:38
tech and all the features that you would expect because the
22:41
cars start at $2.8 million. So obviously you expect them to
22:45
have all of the features and then some.
22:48
So you get in and it was really interesting because you never
22:51
know, you know, some of those cars, it's not, they're not
22:54
comfortable or it's just sort of, it's a lot.
22:56
You know, you can have sort of sensory overload.
22:59
This one I got in and it was like an exhale.
23:02
It was like it was very peaceful in the cabin.
23:05
It was laid out very well. And there are three or four
23:09
gauges in front of you behind the steering wheel.
23:12
And they said they're like, OK, now watch this and you push and
23:15
hold this button and two of the gauges rotate over and that's
23:19
where the screens are. And so you have CarPlay or
23:23
Android Auto. So you have all the features you
23:24
could want. You have Bluetooth, you know,
23:26
maps, you have all the car monitoring, you know, tire
23:29
pressure, all of that. But if you want to sort of tuck
23:32
the tuck away and just focus on the pure driving experience, you
23:36
flip them back, you have your standard gauges and off you go.
23:39
Nice. So was it the McLaren P1 that
23:42
did something like that? But it was more, it was kind of
23:44
the opposite, right? It you would focus on like the
23:45
racing element of the cages, right?
23:48
So this is kind of very Danish, right?
23:50
Like very, you know. Yeah, it's sort, it's like a no
23:53
nonsense, you know, like they they, you know, Jens was saying
23:58
they like to make an impact and he's like, we we pack a punch,
24:02
but in sort of an understated package on the inside.
24:05
But it was yeah. I was really struck by like sort
24:08
of how calming it was just sitting in the cabin.
24:11
The seats were comfortable, the finishes were beautiful.
24:14
You know, there's carbon fiber everywhere.
24:16
The the tour that they had had this really unique kind of
24:20
rainbow oil slick paint. And then the the agile was in a
24:25
white like Unicorn finish almost.
24:28
And yeah, I mean, what I loved is how exposed the technology
24:33
is. You know, when you walk around
24:34
like the arrow and the technology and they had
24:36
horizontal suspension and it's just it's like they're really
24:40
works of art. And you can see the engineering
24:42
that went into them. And I would love to drive one
24:45
when the time comes. Well, you got to sit in one and
24:49
you had the most baller Instagram picture ever because
24:53
you're there. You are in this $2.8 million car
24:55
with a a a glass of champagne. I know I was like, I don't know
25:00
whose life this is, but I'm so happy with mine.
25:02
I mean, listen, I had I had an amazing, you know, film crew
25:06
there. I will say, like my friend Simon
25:08
Trumper, who works with the brand, he's the one that
25:10
facilitated me in the car. And that was, I didn't realize
25:13
he was going to be there. So it was really fun to see him.
25:15
He splits his time between Italy and Southern California, so you
25:19
never know where he is. Where in the world is Simon?
25:21
And then Tori Alonzo, who does, yeah, summaries for us.
25:25
And then Derek Powell, friend of friend of the Pro, obviously.
25:29
So yeah, between those three, I was in the car and Simon's like,
25:32
do you want your do you want your glass?
25:34
Because they were powering it back up so I could see the
25:36
gauges flip. I love it.
25:38
And then Tori got the picture. So yeah, well, like, we're glad
25:41
that the photo op turned out the way it did because it's so
25:43
funny. We do a big shout out to Tori
25:45
because I don't know if anyone's everyone's aware, but you know,
25:49
after we record each show, Tori takes time to create like a
25:52
summary. What would you call it?
25:54
Like a pictograph summary of the show.
25:57
Yeah, it's sort of like highlights.
25:59
Yeah. And he definitely has a way with
26:00
the gifts. Yeah.
26:02
Thank you, Tori. We really appreciate it.
26:04
Thank. You.
26:05
Yeah, Yeah, you do. And he does the same thing for
26:07
Spikes Car Radio. So I feel like we're in great
26:09
company. Thank you.
26:12
I'm hoping to meet Tori at some point.
26:13
He lives not terribly far from from Denver.
26:17
And and he he's threatened to visit one of these times.
26:20
He's he's up this way. So I look forward to that.
26:22
And also Speaking of Spikes, Car Radio, dear Zuckerman, if you're
26:26
listening, I, I know we're connected on Instagram at least
26:29
I would love to turn that picture of Lindsay in the Zenvo
26:34
with the flute of champagne. Oh my God, into a sticker.
26:37
I, I mean, I think that is the, I don't know, that's just the
26:41
best mic drop ever. So.
26:43
I like Where your headband, yeah.
26:46
I thought you were going to say give Lindsay a big Afro or
26:50
something based on this week Spikes car radio.
26:52
Oh, the. Yeah.
26:54
What's his name? The the producer.
26:57
Cameron. No, no, no, no.
26:59
The The. The Phil Spector.
27:01
Phil Spector? I'd forgotten about that in that
27:03
giant Brillo pad thing on his head.
27:06
Bizarre. Well, and like during the trial,
27:08
the hair just kept growing. Oh my God, like his nose was
27:11
getting longer, right, right. Like the more lies he told, the
27:15
you know the. Pinocchio version of producer
27:17
hair. That was wild.
27:19
Yeah. Yeah.
27:19
There's a he's got a gift. Yeah.
27:23
Well, while you guys were living it up, I kind of was with the
27:26
common people and and the cool people.
27:29
I last the last Sunday I attended at Wagon Fest at the
27:32
Peterson. Yeah, that's right.
27:33
How was it? So yeah, it was great, it was
27:36
hot and there were 300 odd wagons, which is.
27:40
Amazing. Right, there's a lot of wagons
27:44
come out of anyway, but no, it was great.
27:46
So many varieties of wagons as well.
27:48
You know, it's everything from the stance work M fives, you
27:54
know, all the way through to Volvos.
27:56
Saw a few Volvo 850 yards which are pretty cool.
28:01
You don't see those anymore, right?
28:03
Those were so new when those were new, yeah.
28:05
And Matt Farah was there. He turned up with his toy can
28:09
and. And that was one of the show
28:11
cars, which was pretty cool. Yeah.
28:13
He made the sticker or the poster or something, right?
28:15
He did? Yeah.
28:16
It was a sticker and it's new. What?
28:18
HRE Wheels. Yeah, they look pretty sweet
28:20
actually. They really do.
28:21
I got to see it at Air Water I think right after they were put
28:24
on and it looks so good. Yeah, it's.
28:28
Holstar gave you some of those just.
28:32
HRE Hello. Yeah.
28:34
Yes. Hello HRE.
28:36
I to take your call. What was your what were your top
28:40
three favorite wagons at the event, Dan?
28:43
Someone turned up really early on with the E46M3 wagon so I
28:48
think it was a cars and bits car.
28:52
Is that the one like they put it together?
28:55
It's like a tribute to the E port.
28:56
Yeah. Because they didn't make the
28:57
wagon, right? Yeah.
28:59
Yeah, so that. Is it silver?
29:02
Yes. OK, I've seen that one.
29:03
It's cool. Yeah.
29:04
And I do have to have. Cars and bits car I'm not sure
29:07
but they changed the number plate while they were there, so
29:10
put a cars and bits number plate on it.
29:12
Fresh off the bat, huh? Yeah.
29:15
So that was there and that was really cool.
29:19
The the Peterson had a classic car wagon, which I thought was
29:23
pretty cool and I can't remember the name of it.
29:25
I know what it wasn't. It wasn't a Safari because
29:27
everyone was calling it a Safari and it wasn't a Safari, but it
29:30
was a super old classic. Like an American.
29:33
Yeah, yeah, Americana. Country Squire.
29:37
Yeah, yeah, whatever in the. Country or?
29:39
Some meteor or something I can't.
29:41
Remember, I'm interested that was.
29:43
Yeah, it was good to see Adam and Chrissy and, you know, the
29:46
team. There was literally a line
29:49
around the block for people to to get the T-shirts and you
29:52
know, all that sort of good stuff.
29:53
Well, they always do such a great job with their branding
29:55
and their swag and yeah, I mean they really do top of the heap.
29:58
Can I ask you a quick question about the wagon?
30:00
So everyone always says everything always looks better
30:02
as a wagon. Did you see anything that would
30:04
have been better headed state of sedan or a coupe or I don't
30:09
throw anyone under the bus but. Yeah, no, I I didn't.
30:12
I saw lots of Japanese cars that I weren't I wasn't familiar with
30:16
because we. Didn't get them.
30:18
I don't know the names of them, but they were square 80s
30:21
Japanese cars that were wagons, which we never got in the UK so
30:24
I could. You tell had they like were they
30:29
cars that came here because I don't particularly remember a
30:32
ton of those or they people had imported.
30:34
Imported. I don't know, maybe imported it,
30:36
but it seemed like the floor, the top floor, but we was mostly
30:40
Audi. Yeah, in.
30:42
One track, yeah. In one corner there was a GT4
30:47
Luso that looked pretty cool. I thought that's the way to turn
30:50
up in a wagon. Isn't it?
30:51
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the mic drop wagon.
30:55
Well, I think what you're saying, Dan, is everything looks
30:56
better as a wagon. Yeah, that's what I heard, yeah.
31:00
Maybe yeah, it's I didn't dare bring the SQ5IN because I just
31:04
thought it's not a wagon, don't try.
31:08
No, it's. You're waiting for Crossover
31:12
Fest. Yes, But an interesting story,
31:15
Ryan. I swapped the wheels on it and
31:17
I'm going on Monday to get the brakes changed, but the rear
31:20
pads and brakes, the rear rotors are warped.
31:24
So thank you. For trying that down safely?
31:29
No way. At the 55 miles an hour we drove
31:32
from Seattle to tell him that it happened on my watch.
31:35
No, I'm not blaming you in any way.
31:36
Jake perform. It's definitely that they needed
31:38
to replace him, so thanks for getting it down safely.
31:40
Yeah, no, no, I'm glad you're getting that taken care of.
31:43
So the next time I drive it, I'll I'll I'll.
31:46
Be on top next time. That's hilarious.
31:48
You're in the shop. I'm going to make a quick phone
31:50
call. Get my.
31:52
Friend's credit card information.
31:54
Yeah. Dan, you've been an Angelino now
31:56
for a full week. How does it?
31:57
Feel it's great. The weather is so much better
32:01
than Seattle. Sorry, Lindsay, I know that you
32:02
split your time. So yeah, the weather's great.
32:05
I I've been working hard, so I haven't seen a lot of a lot of
32:09
daylight, but yeah, I, I did read where I'm living.
32:13
There's a rooftop and I got hold of the latest copy of Magneto.
32:18
And if you guys aren't familiar with it, it's a really high end
32:21
print magazine with lots of articles.
32:24
And this may do a summer edition and the summer edition is
32:28
focused on Formula One. But it's been done in such a
32:31
good way that it's not like if you don't like Formula One,
32:34
you're not going to be able to read this thing.
32:36
But our good friend Bassem has got an article in there and it's
32:40
all about a the Ferrari F50. They went to take it racing and
32:46
they built prototypes and these cars are like they were almost
32:51
comparing it to the 250 GTO in terms of how rare and how you
32:54
know how special they are. So if you get a chance to see
32:58
the magazine and grab a couple. Absolutely Congrats to bathroom.
33:01
That guy gets around that's. Pretty rarefied error where
33:04
they're like how what they're really the only comparison is a
33:06
250 GTO. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:09
That's awesome. That's awesome.
33:11
Do you subscribe or was this? I managed to find a code.
33:14
OK, manager. OK.
33:15
Yeah, yeah. He's got the hook up, he knows
33:17
the guy, so. Lucky, yeah, yeah.
33:19
Awesome. That's.
33:20
A good recommendation, yeah. More We need more poolside
33:23
pictures of you. That's the last thing you want.
33:27
Oh, come on, you get embrace, embrace your new, your new
33:31
hometown, you know, Yeah. It's no, it's, it's a great
33:34
city. So Bassam's articles in Magneto
33:36
and Ryan, your next article's coming out tomorrow.
33:38
You think? In Autoblog.
33:40
Not quite the same, but hey. You both wrote articles. 1000
33:46
words for 355. The 944 of the Ferrari world,
33:51
that is, one of the commenters earlier tonight told me, which
33:54
was. A It's a joke.
33:56
Oh, Dad, I. Yeah, no, it's a great car.
33:59
Not enough. Not enough 50, but but I am not.
34:01
Also not Bassam. So now you know.
34:04
Not yet. Yeah, moving on.
34:08
I know. Yeah, what's next?
34:12
So I think there was some stuff around Shelby, wasn't there,
34:15
Lindsay. Yes, Saturday was a big day.
34:18
Saturday was very emblematic. I'm exhausted, but I'm happy to
34:23
be here. Saturday was very emblematic of
34:26
the Southern California car scene because there was an event
34:30
in Irvine. It was the Carroll Shelby
34:32
Tribute that they do every year, Team Shelby does.
34:35
And this year it was celebrating 60 years of the GT350.
34:38
And there's a venue in Irvine called the Segerstrom Shelby
34:42
Event Center. And it's a private collection,
34:44
but they've put together basically a museum, but you but
34:48
it's an event venue also. And so they opened up the museum
34:51
and they actually were able to close a couple streets, which is
34:54
no small feat in Irvine. And they had 150 cars and Aaron
34:59
Shelby was there. Vince Laviolette, who's been the
35:01
chief designer for Shelby American for 24 years.
35:05
Pat Bondurant, who's Bob Bondurant's widow from the
35:08
Bondurant School in Arizona. And she's very, you know, active
35:11
in the community. And but it was funny because on
35:14
the way there, we were waiting to turn and all of a sudden
35:17
there were Mclarens and Lambos coming at us on the Main Street.
35:20
And we're like, what's going on? And then again, my friend Simon,
35:22
who was at the Zenvo event, he was apparently at the Shelby
35:25
event. And we totally missed each
35:26
other. But he said, yeah, I came from
35:28
the McLaren event, then went to the Shelby event, then went to
35:31
Zenvo. And yeah, so there were 150
35:36
cars. One of the cars that were this,
35:38
that was really cool was they did a Knight Rider reboot in
35:41
2008, 2009. And so Cinema Vehicle Services,
35:45
which has built a lot of the movie cars for, you know, the
35:47
last few decades, they actually built, it was a Mustang that
35:51
they built the new Knight Rider. So that car was there.
35:54
And then the Segrestrips have quite a collection of Ford and
35:57
Shelby Mustangs and then Cobra tributes.
36:01
My favorite part of it was that I actually got to drive one of
36:04
the 289 Cobras. Oh, finally.
36:07
To move it. Yeah.
36:08
So it's the one that I drove. Oh.
36:09
It is OK. That's right.
36:10
That's right. But because when I drove it last
36:13
June, I caught the bug. So when I heard that they were
36:15
moving it, even though it was just like a matter of yards, I'm
36:18
like, yes, I'm ready. I love it.
36:20
I love it. Hoping in.
36:21
It's the. It's the.
36:23
It's the 427 that you still need to.
36:25
Yeah, that one I have not driven.
36:26
Yet. OK.
36:27
All right. I mean, I want to try it.
36:29
I love the 280. Nine Yeah, I do too.
36:31
I'm just, there's something about it that and and and from
36:35
people who have owned both, I've heard the same thing, so.
36:38
I have too. And I, I'm surprised, you know,
36:40
a lot of a lot of times in America, we always say bigger is
36:43
better, but the 289, it's like the proportions are so good.
36:48
And, you know, obviously I will do my research and drive the
36:51
427, but just the driving experience of the 289, it's
36:55
just, it's like perfectly sized, you know, I mean, I, when I
37:00
drove it last June, I was like 30 seconds into it.
37:03
And in my head I went, I get it. And I'm like, yeah.
37:07
And then I and then I said to myself like, well if I never go
37:10
to the track again, this is fine as long as I can do this every
37:13
Saturday. Nice.
37:16
It's good. It's a sweet life.
37:18
I could do a lot worse. You know, yeah, yeah, you talked
37:21
about Bondaron, the school which is now called Radford, right?
37:25
So I'm heading out there in the middle of June for two days
37:29
driver training. I believe I'm being told I have
37:32
to go and do 2 days driver training where you learn car
37:37
control and all that sort of good stuff.
37:39
Yeah, how to deal with ABS and, you know, all those breaks and
37:42
stuff. So yeah, looking forward to
37:44
that, although it might be quite hot in it's going.
37:48
To be warm in Arizona. Yes, Arizona, but hopefully I'm
37:52
going to catch up with Jorge as well, yeah.
37:53
Oh fun, I hope so. Well, I look forward to hearing
37:57
what your experience is. I haven't been to Bondurant or
38:00
you know, Radford now, obviously, but I've heard it's
38:03
so much fun. I know people that went a couple
38:07
years ago and they had so much fun.
38:08
They ended up adding more days while they were there.
38:10
Wow. That's saying something, right?
38:12
Like, I mean, sometimes you're so exhausted that you don't, you
38:15
know? Right.
38:16
Yeah. Or it's like the track.
38:18
You don't, you don't click with the track or, you know, who
38:21
knows? But yeah, I've, I've heard it's
38:23
amazing. So I'm excited for you to
38:24
experience it and you can bring it back and share it with the
38:26
rest of us. Absolutely.
38:27
Very cool. You know what's going to happen,
38:29
Lindsay, is, is we're just going to be hanging out at home one
38:32
night, me here in Denver and you on the West Coast.
38:35
Wherever I am, the phone's going to ring, and it's going to be
38:37
Dan and Jorge on speakerphone. Drunk.
38:43
Hey can you get a cheap flight? Love you guys right?
38:47
I love. It hopefully on FaceTime so we
38:49
can fully appreciate whatever. Shenanigans for going on, of
38:52
course. Yeah, Oh, hey, I'm coming.
38:56
Get ready, start training now. Absolutely.
38:59
How is everyone's weekends looking?
39:00
Let's. See, I think it's going to be
39:03
more sort of Memorial Day BBQ focused rather than car stuff.
39:06
But you know, stuff always pops up, right?
39:09
What about your face? I've got a car thing.
39:12
Shout out to our friends at Avance again.
39:14
We of course have a chapter of Avance here in Denver.
39:17
Yeah, led by Abel Fong. And they've got an event at the
39:22
Discount Tire in Littleton, Co Discount Tire is now a partner
39:26
of Avance. And I think all members get 10%
39:29
off. And if you're in town or
39:31
anywhere near here, show, show up.
39:32
I'll be there. A lot of our friends will be
39:33
there. Friends of the Show and also
39:35
they're giving away a $500 Discount Tire gift card to
39:40
someone in attendance. So if you need tires for spring,
39:42
whoa, this is this is probably not a bad, bad move.
39:47
So you can see there. Dan McGuinness with you.
39:49
Yeah, this is our friend who kind of seems to win every.
39:54
Yes, yes, everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:01
I yeah, or or I'll come and maybe some of that will rub off
40:04
on the rest of us, but right. Might look a little funny if I
40:07
won the thing, though, right? So I.
40:09
Mean that'd be that'd be a good story.
40:11
I know. Yeah, I love that.
40:12
Nice. It'd be nice.
40:13
I love that Dan is known as, like we all introduced him as.
40:16
Do you remember that guy that won the GT4?
40:19
Right. Mr. Lucky Yeah, yeah, yeah,
40:23
yeah. So funny, I know.
40:25
Yeah. It's funny how that GT.
40:27
That's right, because that was the day that I met Derek Powell.
40:30
And then we forgot about each other and Dan won the GT4 and it
40:34
was Matt's watch party. There was a lot going on that
40:36
day, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:41
You know, and he's doing the Colorado Grand this year, which
40:44
will be fun in his Alfa Romeo. What's the name?
40:49
Speciality. No, no, it's that thing that I
40:52
can't. It's it's, it's a yeah, it's
40:54
something I couldn't fit in. And that video that he's, he's
40:58
running that in the grand this year.
40:59
So Alfa Romeo too small for Ryan?
41:02
Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Yeah, yeah.
41:06
Could have used a little olio to fit in that one, but yeah,
41:12
starting to hear a lot about the grand because I think the people
41:16
that have been, uh, approved or accepted or have found out now.
41:20
So that means that I will be getting a spreadsheet full of
41:25
all the card descriptions in the coming couple of weeks so I can
41:28
start writing the entries for the book.
41:32
Very. Fun.
41:33
So yeah, because you handle is it the route book, but it also
41:37
includes background on all the cars.
41:39
Yeah, I do the car part, someone else does the actual route
41:41
descriptions and it's a lot of work, a lot of volunteer
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everything, but it's always a great read.
41:45
It's always really well put together and I always learn a
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lot too. Each year it's a little easier
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as I learned more and more about the cars, but yeah, it's going
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to be a good one. A lot of friends in it this year
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so. That's awesome.
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I know. It's such a such a cool event
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and hopefully there's some way for Dan and I to even like pop
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in and. Check.
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I know you have to. You have to.
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Yeah. I mean, September, you know,
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we'll be here before we know. It so yeah, well and there's we
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still have car week in between now and then.
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Oh God, we have some talking to do guys.
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It's. Schmoozing and some convincing
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haven't. We.
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But we're available to do podcasts at Car Week if anyone's
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listening. You know.
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That's true. True.
42:23
That's very true. Yeah.
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We can do some that car show live.
42:28
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're listening Bentley or
42:31
yeah, I know Zenvo or yeah, you know, we're we're available to
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help, you know, really bring a better experience to you.
42:39
How do you differentiate? Absolutely.
42:41
Any other comment? Well, they don't have a podcast,
42:43
do they? Right, right.
42:44
It's all about the experiential. And you know truly, what's more
42:47
experiential than three? We're going to bring that car
42:51
show flavor to your brand. Exactly.
42:53
Exactly. Elevate it to the next level.
42:56
Speaking of experiential and what sort of good stuff, I know
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we've been asking our audience to let us know who they think we
43:04
should have on the show. And I just want to say let's
43:06
keep that coming because it's bringing ideas to the three of
43:09
us that we haven't thought about.
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So yeah, it's and I think we're going to have a few more guests
43:14
over the next few weeks. It's going to be exciting.
43:16
Yeah, we are. So stay tuned.
43:17
Yeah, yeah, got some good ones for sure.
43:19
There's always end up being like such fun, right?
43:22
You know, they're, they're not interviews, right?
43:24
I, I know some, some types of people I don't want to listen to
43:26
the guest episodes of whatever podcast, right, Because it
43:28
becomes in here, they're in interviews.
43:30
This is just, you know, this is like another enthusiast just
43:32
hanging out with us and having fun.
43:34
It's just more time with friends or getting to know people that
43:37
we've met that we haven't had time with and just, yeah, it's
43:40
just, it's more of this just with a guest.
43:42
That's right, yeah. They tend to be really cool
43:44
people too. Which is.
43:45
Well, I mean, they know us. Come on.
43:47
That's. Right, Anything else, gang, that
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we wanted to talk about tonight? Man, I think.
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This is a short show, but I I know we're.
43:58
All we're just getting efficient.
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That's sharing everything. That's, that's right.
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Well, I hope to see you at Littleton Co at Discount Tire
44:06
Saturday morning and if you have any questions, DM me on
44:10
Instagram or go to Avon's Denver on their website.
44:14
So. That's awesome.
44:15
It'll be fun. You'll have to tell us about it
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next week. Absolutely.
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Yeah, he's going to give us the phrase.
44:22
Ryan, you want to take it this? Week phrase that pays.
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Yeah. All right.
44:27
Well, hey. Check in.
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But sorry, by the way, that intro you did last week, Dan was
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epic. So if you haven't gone back and
44:36
listened to last week's show, you need to listen to it just
44:38
for for Dan's intro. But.
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Yeah, it was like, just let me clarify that for a minute.
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It's like, let's do a test run, then we'll record it.
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And you bastards screwed me out of that.
44:52
I'd like to note I have nothing to do with the editing of the
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show. That's.
44:54
Exactly, Ryan. And I think it's your turn
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tonight, Lindsay, by the way, to do the intro for this.
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Don't don't listen to him when he says do the test run.
45:03
Right. This is like that episode of I
45:04
Love Lucy where they're like ha ha ha, don't tell her we're
45:06
actually live. Can you imagine back then we did
45:10
everything was just live right. You know, editing wasn't an
45:12
option. But anyway, all right, let me
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see if I can remember our our phrase.
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We're that car show and until next week, always be driving.
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I'm Ryan in Denver. I'm Lindsay in Seattle.
45:24
I'm Dan in Los Angeles. Look.
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At that and we'll see you next week.
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Night.