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Geoengineering is destroying insect and invertebrate populations · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  If we've learned anything from these past couple of years, my fellow Americans is that personal medical freedom and liberty are in priceless.
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  American pulse brings together the top experts in healthcare related fields to keep you upbeaten ahead.
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  Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
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  This is Dr.
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  Clayton J.
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  Baker MD on the America Out Loud Radio Network.
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  This is the America Out Loud Pulse program, Liberty and Justice for All.
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  Today we have a very special guest who is going to talk to us about some of the really terrifying concerns that come along with the geoengineering activities that we see over our heads every day.
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  And that is specifically the problems with farming and the problems with insect and other invertebrate life as a result of this constant poisoning of our planet.
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  Abby is an organic farmer, and she also is the owner and operator of a natural dairy that involves the production of raw milk.
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  She has been doing these things for decades for over 40 years.
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  So she has a timeline and experience level that is well beyond mine, of course, and well beyond those of most of us.
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  So I'm honored to have Abby Rockefeller here today.
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  Abby, uh, tell us a little bit about your whatever you care to about yourself and the work you've done over the past several decades, and then we're going to take some more time to go into what you have observed in the past decades about what is changing among the life uh the natural life uh where you are living and working.
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  Yes, okay.
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  So I will start with the fact that my father is David Rockefeller, who's not alive now, and my mother was Margaret McGrath.
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  And my I just to make this just piece clear, I was I was not in favor of my father's views of the world for a very long time.
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  Um however, I did learn a lot about insects from him.
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  He was a very serious entomologist, as it happens, and I appreciate that.
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  So that's just a beginning piece.
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  Just for my background, I started the compost toilet company called the Cleavus Multrum, which means an inclining compost room.
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  That's it comes from Sweden, and I started that in 1974, and I have a company that is still making it and selling it at a at a low level because the opposition is very great to this idea of not using water to carry wastes, which I believe we should honor water for a great thing that it is and not defile it, as we've been doing.
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  So that I started in 1974, then in 19, no, 2000, 2011.
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  I decided I wanted I had been, I had been working on the sewage sludge issue for for years into the early from the Newton early 1990s, which is one of the catastrophes that is being per perpetrated on us.
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  And uh I had I got exhausted from the ugliness of it all.
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  So in 20 um 11, I decided to do something beautiful and good.
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  So I made a dairy in Hudson, New York, where my mother had started a quite a big farm.
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  And I this this is after she had died in 1996, and that was um well, more than 10 years later, that I I decided to to make uh uh a raw milk, so-called raw milk, I call it real milk dairy that was beautiful.
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  And um uh Clayton, I don't think that you have been there, have you?
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  I have not been to your uh dairy, but I hope to go there soon.
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  I hope hope so.
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  So it is it is a place where which is beautiful and doing what I think we should be doing as a species in relation to our food system, which is having real food instead of fake food, which of course goes along with what Bobby Kennedy is doing right at the moment, and what Trump has agreed to let him do, which I'm very happy about.
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  So I did that in 2011, and it has been it has been going and it's very it's very pleasing to me.
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  Um I had noticed, I mean, I under I knew insects, and I I knew insects quite well.
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  I know beetles, I know I know I know mosquitoes, I know wasps and bees and flies and uh the whole world of insects.
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  And so I knew when they started to leave, and they have been disappearing, as many people.
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  The one thing that people know about insects is that they are not landing on our wind windshields of our cars anymore, just about anymore.
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  I mean, it's shocking.
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  And that's been going on for 40 years.
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  That's been they have been declining.
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  So let me let me let me interrupt you for one second.
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  You're saying because so many of us, and I put myself into this category as well, have noticed this the windshield phenomenon.
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  Yeah, say within the last five to ten years, but you're telling it's been going on much, much longer.
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  Much longer, much longer.
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  Yeah, right.
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  So it used to be just you know, really making riding driving difficult because there was there was so there were so many dead insects on the windshield, but it's gotten worse lately.
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  So I have no, and then so then the other thing I noticed between 30 and 40 years ago was the chemtrails.
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  And I used to talk, I didn't know the term for a long time, but I was seeing a very strange sky.
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  And I I've I've talked about it.
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  People would say that the conspiracy theorist theory.
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  It was of course nonsense.
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  I mean, that was a term that the CIA came up with to discredit people with all the views of what was actually going on in this earth that were true, but which they wanted to discredit.
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  So I uh I I was I was aware of that, but uh there the world has changed in a radical and very fortunate way of opening the door to the actual truths of what has been happening since I'm gonna say John F.
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  Kennedy's assassination.
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  So, but I also I bought a farm in New Hampshire when I was 25 years old, and it was just a piece of luck.
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  I I knew the the woman who owned it and wanted to build a little house for her and her son, and so she I bought this great place in New Hampshire in Webster, New Hampshire.
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  And I've had uh I I've had a couple of horses, and I've had I have chickens, and I usually have pigs in the summer and sheep in the summer, I try to buy from somebody else.
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  And I am a small-scale farmer.
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  I have a very big vegetable garden, however, and I've been there for lately.
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  My horror is watching the invertebrate, which includes insects, earthworms, and all of them in my garden disappearing.
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  That is a that is the biggest horror of my life right now, seeing that happen because we need them in a way that they don't need us.
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  Very much so, yes.
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  And so you had mentioned that you've been noting the chemtrails, yeah, the geoengineering, the visible geoengineering.
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  That's right.
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  Of course, there's elements of it that are not visible, but of course, that's the most readily visible.
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  Right.
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  And you've also been noticing the decimation of the insect population, for you said for 40 years now.
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  What about the other invertebrates?
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  What about the worms?
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  What about earthworms are disappearing?
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  I used to be able to get more than one earthworm with every shovel of dirt that I turned over.
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  And now I don't I go through 15, 20 shovels without seeing a single earthworm this past summer.
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  It it is it is it and such things as people these people will know these insects because they're pests.
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  So potato beetles.
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  They're beetles, they're not bugs.
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  And they I had no potato beetles this last year, none.
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  And Japanese beetles are a big pest in this in the in this country, and there were no Japanese beetles, but there are no spiders in my garden.
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  And I love spiders, and uh they're simply the
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  One every few week or so.
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  But they used to be in again every all the soil.
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  I had I would have mulch, which is I would use hay or straw mulch.
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  And under that, you know, if I moved any of it, there'd be there would be what are called wolf spiders, which often carry their their um egg cases on their rear end.
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  They can't the females do.
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  Anyway, there's so many, there's so many creatures that are simply going away.
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  That the trees used to be loaded with different species of beetles, beautiful beetles, beetles with amazing colors, which people mostly don't know about, unfortunately.
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  But I've they're just simply all going, and I think it is from the chemtrails, which all I know about is there's there is aluminum that is being spread on the earth.
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  Yes.
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  Not just aluminum, but it's other stuff.
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  Yeah, yes, yes.
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  So what would you say?
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  I'm sort of picking your brain right now because your timeline's longer than mine in terms of being aware of these things, and perhaps some of that is because of your background, as you said, in entomology and and your decades of working with the land and so on.
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  Yeah.
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  But what would you say is the reason why we are someone who was less observant of this, such as myself is finally noticing these things.
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  Are we reaching a tipping point?
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  Has it accelerated?
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  Do you have a sense of that?
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  Well, you know, I mean, many, there's many awakenings right now.
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  Um, which are very hopeful for me.
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  Um, I don't know that they're going to be fast enough, but they're very they're being very fast.
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  So that people are being aware of the people who the great people who've been assassinated in this country, for example.
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  They're waking up to that.
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  Yes.
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  They were they people accepted being called the the they were they were too scared to be called a conspiracy theorist.
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  So they would they would they they went with that that term they allowed it.
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  So um, let's see.
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  I think I think um what happened with COVID, fortunately did not take everybody down.
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  And in fact, it waked many people up.
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  It really did.
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  It didn't wake me up.
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  I knew what it was the first day I heard about it.
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  I knew it was, you know, it was a uh uh a criminal act.
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  Yes.
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  So there is an awakening going on.
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  I do really questionably true, and I I agree with you that it it's it's it's great that it's happening.
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  We don't know if it's happening fast enough for to compatible.
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  It's definitely happening so that I can feel us a hopefulness that I actually never felt in my life before this.
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  Wow.
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  Yes, yes, absolutely.
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  No, I feel uh a terror that I uh it has is greater now than it used to be about insect and invertebrate life, and in general, birds, you know, the birds will not last having insects go.
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  Exactly.
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  No, I've noticed that too, and I've heard rumblings about bird populations as well, and I think they are definitely decreasing.
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  No question about it.
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  Yes.
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  So we're we're just working our way up the food chain, aren't we?
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  That's right.
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  That is right.
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  And we think we're at the top, but we're still in it, yes, absolutely.
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  Yes, we are.
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  So okay.
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  Well, well, with that in mind, I appreciate that that background information.
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  I appreciate your decades of awareness of that this has been going on for so long, because um to get some kind of a time frame on this is is really important, and it's hard to do that when you kind of are just awakened, say, after you realize that COVID is the gigantic scan, and that's within the last five or six years.
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  Yes.
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  Let me ask you another question regarding your work, um, both on your farm and your dairy and so on.
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  You're again, you've been noticing this this die-off, this gradual die-off of invertebrates for decades.
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  Yeah, and you have um had an awareness of the chemtrails and the geoengineering for decades.
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  Yeah.
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  Let me ask you this.
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  What do you think?
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  You touched on this, but what do you think are the factors?
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  If you had to guess, you mentioned the metals, of course, the toxic metals in the chemtrails in the stratospheric aerosol injection.
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  And of course, people who think we are conspiracy theorists can think that all they want to.
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  You pointed out that the whole concept of conspiracy theorist is is a psychological operation in its own right.
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  That's right.
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  And um, but whatever however you want to address that, we're talking about aluminum, barium, strontium, cesium, all these other toxic metals that we that we don't need in our systems.
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  You know, we need iron in our system, we need magnesium, we need uh other metals, but we certainly don't need aluminum at all, and neither do these other animals.
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  So it's a catastrophe that it's landing on the soil.
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  On the soil, yes.
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  Okay, very much so.
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  Are there are my garden?
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  And I never put any poisons in my garden ever.
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  So that's another great point because we can say, and of course, we're we're also surrounded, and you mentioned Bobby Kennedy.
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  He said that you know, we're swimming in a toxic soup, which is absolutely true in so many ways.
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  You've dealt with the sewage sludge and so on.
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  Yes.
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  But even so, if you're in rural New Hampshire in a garden on your own property, right?
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  This is not presumably due to being this is not due to pesticides from farmer brown down the street.
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  That's right.
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  There's I am in the middle of a hundred acres of land, and that there's there's no way that uh the the that the that the poisons, which is which is to say say round up, it is coming, I don't think drifting here, and it's also happening very suddenly, and people have been using roundup for a long time over the hill.
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  And so I don't think it is that.
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  I think it is coming from the air.
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  That's the only explanation that I have right now.
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  Okay, very good.
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  And that's important uh uh evidence as well.
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  So what we're talking about here, and this is something that is I'm gonna put it in very simple terms.
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  We're gonna go to a break in just a minute, but um, we'll be right back to continue with this with Abby Rockefeller.
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  Um what we're talking about here is two phenomena that people are starting to wake up to.
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  One is the whole chemtrail phenomenon, which is unmistakable now.
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  It's so intense and it's so constant.
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  And also, as you said, the the windshield phenomenon that people are starting to come uh to terms with, the notion that you used to have to wipe those bugs off your windshield, and now you don't have to do it anymore.
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  No, I I haven't I haven't had to do it for for a decade or two, actually.
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  It was way before.
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  Way before.
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  So that is something that we're all aware of, and we have very good circumstantial evidence at least that this is not due to anything else, that these are related phenomena.
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  And if the the final point to that is even if you don't care about invertebrates, even if you're not an entomologist like Abby Rockefeller, I happen to love all living things on the planet, and I happen to be grateful to God that I was put here to be among the other living things on the planet.
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  But even if you don't care about those things and you only care about your own sorry self, you may be at the top of the food chain, but if the bottom of the food chain goes away, it's a house of cards.
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  That's right.
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  The top is the weakest.
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  The top is the most dependent upon the others, isn't it?
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  That's right, exactly.
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  So we'll be back in just a moment.
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  Um we're gonna have another session with uh Abby Rockefeller.
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  Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
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  This is Dr.
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  Clayton J.
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  Baker MD on the America Out Loud Pulse Program on the America Out Loud Radio Network.
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  Liberty and Justice for All.
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  In the second segment, we're going to continue with my friend Abby Rockefeller.
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  As you heard from the first segment, Abby has had a number of career trajectories, including uh developing a very successful compost composting toilet system that's been used uh uh successfully throughout the country.
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  She has fought the wars against the sewage sludge uh pollution issue.
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  She is an organic farmer and she runs a raw milk dairy.
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  And in the first segment, we were talking about the food chain, and we were talking about how many people, many former normies, such as myself woke up during the COVID era.
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  Uh other folks like Abby have been much more awake for decades.
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  However, it doesn't matter when you wake up, it matters what you do when you wake up.
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  And we're in a situation now where we are losing our insect populations.
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  We are losing our invertebrate populations.
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  We are seeing a drop in animal populations like birds.
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  And I want to turn it over to Abby to tell us her viewpoint on this and what we all need to do to get ourselves in gear and to stop this before it's too late.
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  Yes.
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  Right.
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  So the first thing I think I would like to say is that we need to remember that we are actually animals.
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  It's not humans versus animals or humans versus nature.
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  We are part of nature and we are part of animals.
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  I don't use the word nature as something to speak of separation between us and the rest of life at all.
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  We are part of it all, and we are not doing well by it.
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  And that is a combination of that we are we're too clever, but we are not being moral.
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  We are not feeling the importance of our the universal life and all of us together.
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  So that's that's number one.
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  Another feeling that I have is that we have to we have to grow up.
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  And here's the thing I'm gonna say to you, Clayton, which I don't know if it's gonna fit into this discussion, but I have come to feel that the nuclear family is damaging to us, and we need the extended family back that people are not growing up because of the nuclear family.
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  It's too small, it's too, it's too little for the parents and too much for the parents, and it's too little for the children, and too much the the parents are too little and too much for the children, and the children are too much and too little for the parents.
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  So that's that's a a very big piece of my understanding of what's going on in the world right now.
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  The people are really in serious psychological emotional trouble that we don't need to be, but we're not gonna get it back until we have the grandmothers with living with us and the grandfathers, at least at the very least.
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  Isn't that true?
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  Because now what happens when someone gets old, we put them in a home.
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  It's a disaster.
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  I don't believe in it.
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  It's a it's an evil, it's totally evil.
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  But we do it because we don't feel close to them.
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  We were trying to get rid of them.
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  And that's a dis that's a terrible thing.
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  So I mean, there's many very big pieces to all of this.
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  You know, the medical system has become very largely corrupt, not all of it, but a lot of it.
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  Yes.
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  And the family system is pathetic right now.
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  And parents are trying to they're trying to run around, take care of their children, do all their athletics with them instead of leaving the children alone.
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  And I think the education system is falling apart too.
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  We have a big, a lot of big pieces of work to do.
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  So that's that's one piece of what I have to say.
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  I forget the rest.
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  So I'm gonna so mine me.
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  When we were when we were in break, you we you had talked to to me a little bit, and I said, hold that thought and get back into it.
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  And I think we were talking, if I remember right, you were talking about we had finished on the food chain, and you had talked about our relationship in it and how we think we're at the top.
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  We may not okay.
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  I I I I think you had said something about how some people just don't care about the rest of life at all, and they only care about themselves, but and I'm feeling that they people they're growing up needs to involve understanding of life in general, and they need to be people need to begin somewhere and take the great pleasure in it.
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  Of course, life in cities doesn't have much of that available to it.
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  So there's there's many pieces of trouble.
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  And I am partly a piece of the work that I'm trying to do with Merrill Nash and others is get the small family farm back so that people can grow their own food and with meat, slaughter animals, and sell them to their neighbors and friends.
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  So uh there's just there are so many things that we need to to face and to grow up to.
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  That's the I guess that's the language that I would use for it.
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  100%.
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  And I think that you had said before also may have been off recording before, but you had said, you know, something about our relationship to the rest of life on the planet when it comes to the notion of the food chain.
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  Right.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  You said earlier about, you know, you think you're at the top.
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  What is what does it mean to be at the top of the food chain?
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  Okay, well, what we call it's that's a way of praising ourselves, actually, and we are a very remarkable species, but we are animals.
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  Yes, we are simply animals, and we must talk about ourselves as animals, not us and them and us and it.
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  Yes, we we we need to feel our kinship with all of life.
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  And and that's uh that's a hard thing to learn, but it is possible to learn.
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  Do you think it's so hard to learn?
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  I don't think, I mean, I don't know.
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  Maybe it's I grew up, I didn't really grow up on a farm, but we had chickens and ducks, and we had a dog and a cat, and I think just having having pets and seeing where at least a tiny bit of your yes, absolutely.
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  That's very important.
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  Yeah, isn't it?
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  Well, you know, I think it's harder for people who have been in the cities.
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  Um, but I don't think it's impossible.
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  I mean, there are there are you know remarkable things being done with the whole the whole mess with vaccine vaccines, which was really a criminal criminal piece of behavior.
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  There's no question in my mind about it.
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  It's not just a mistake.
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  It it was it was it was terrible to do.
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  So we don't we have we're waking up, you're awake.
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  You as a doctor have waked up to that, or or maybe you were already awake with it.
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  But it it, I mean, this has been something that is it feels um, as I said, it feels hopeful that there is there is so much awareness of the the horrors that have been happening.
• 29:26
  Yes, absolutely.
• 29:28
  And I mean, they're they're not they're not trivial at all.
• 29:30
  It's not as I say, it's not, these are not mistakes.
• 29:34
  No, not trivial at all.
• 29:35
  What do you see?
• 29:36
  And I I don't want I want to always keep things as hopeful as I can because we can always we can always be doomed doomsayers.
• 29:44
  I I am hopeful.
• 29:46
  I want to say I'm hopeful for the first time in my life.
• 29:48
  I'll say that again.
• 29:50
  So, with regards to this issue, we're looking at this problem with the the with the die-off of these invertebrates.
• 29:58
  Where if we don't do something, Abby,
• 30:01
  I I don't know, but the first thing that has to happen is chem and trails and all the geoengineering has to stop.
• 30:07
  Okay.
• 30:07
  And I I hope that we have a chance for that to happen.
• 30:11
  I don't know.
• 30:12
  You know, there are states that are saying you can't fly over, but they they have no control over people flying over there.
• 30:18
  I don't think.
• 30:19
  Right.
• 30:20
  So right now I can give people a little a little bit of a quick uh a quick uh um uh update on that.
• 30:26
  We have three states that have passed yes legislation, and we have uh over 30 others that are trying to pass legislation in the current time.
• 30:37
  Yes.
• 30:38
  But as you said, the FAA controls everything over 500 feet up in the air, so it's very difficult for them to enforce anything.
• 30:46
  But but we have begun.
• 30:47
  We have to begun, absolutely.
• 30:49
  And good news, Abby, we have a new bill out, a federal bill out by Representative Greg Steuby down in Florida.
• 30:58
  Yes.
• 30:59
  And it's a fairly strong bill to stop geoengineering at the federal level.
• 31:04
  Yes, wonderful.
• 31:05
  That's a big deal.
• 31:06
  Listen, so much has happened.
• 31:08
  It really is an amazing new time, and we have to keep our balance and not become enemies with new enemies.
• 31:17
  We have to try to not be just mad at everybody.
• 31:21
  We have to we have to feel the the good that is being done, which is quite quite amazing, quite wonderful.
• 31:29
  That's a great point.
• 31:30
  We have to not be um not be uh just just vindictive, but we have to be curative of these problems, and I think that's really really important.
• 31:40
  Um the other thing that I would ask about is what would you what do you think is the what's your view?
• 31:50
  You've done this for for decades.
• 31:51
  You've been on the farming front for decades.
• 31:54
  You've been on you and you know, your experience with with sewage sludge and with the composting and so on.
• 32:01
  What do you see in terms of the healing power of the planet?
• 32:05
  Let's say we can stop this crime, as Bobby Kennedy said about geoengineering.
• 32:11
  Yes.
• 32:12
  What do you see as the in terms of the regenerative regenerative and healing powers of the planet?
• 32:19
  I I think it is tremendous, but we you know the the the levels of troubles right at the moment.
• 32:25
  People are not aware of what big ag I don't call it agriculture because there is no culture in it.
• 32:33
  That's right.
• 32:33
  It's too that's it doesn't deserve the term culture, does it?
• 32:36
  Well, they don't and they don't even take the term culture.
• 32:39
  It's ag schools, ag this, ag that, because they unconsciously know they have nothing to do with culture, which and culture means care of care of the soil.
• 32:51
  That's the care that is needed, and that's what big ag does the opposite of.
• 32:55
  They're they are mining the soil, they treat the soil as a mine.
• 32:59
  So that that's a very big and difficult one of the one of the very biggest at the moment, because we don't have the best forces dealing with it.
• 33:10
  You know, that that one is sort of a little bit, I mean, it's a bit on the side.
• 33:16
  We need we need to grab a hold of it, and and I mean, I know Bobby is a piece of it, but he doesn't, he's he's not ahead of USDA, etc.
• 33:26
  Right.
• 33:26
  Yeah.
• 33:27
  Absolutely.
• 33:28
  And I think that we're we're we're we're that's another big part of it.
• 33:32
  And so I'm gonna we have about six minutes left in this segment.
• 33:38
  So I'm gonna go back towards the geoengineering problem and and let's kind of walk it out from there.
• 33:44
  So I'm gonna what do you see as the time frame over the last say you've noticed it for 40 years, and there's some data out there.
• 33:56
  It's interesting that you say that, because there's some some interesting data out there that they've actually been doing this pretty much not continually, but we're really since the late 40s.
• 34:06
  So it's been even longer than that.
• 34:08
  Exactly.
• 34:08
  And I didn't know it in the early days.
• 34:11
  They didn't have those amazing, horrible stripes in the sky in those days.
• 34:15
  I don't know what they were doing, but yes, they were doing stuff way back.
• 34:19
  Way back.
• 34:20
  And I do know that there was a lot of folks have pinned it back to about the mid-90s, where it's become where you really started to see folks who started to take great umbrage at what was going on back then, much more observant people than myself, I might add.
• 34:37
  Well, uh and it uh just a point of a point of reference for that.
• 34:42
  I believe it was in 2002 when uh representative Dennis Kucinich put in the first bill to try to stop it.
• 34:51
  So that's maybe six years out from when people think it really became uh prevalent.
• 34:57
  Great guy.
• 34:58
  Right.
• 34:59
  I noticed myself during the summer of COVID, the summer of 2020, that it was the most clear and beautiful summer I could remember on record, and that was when I think a lot of the pilots were grounded.
• 35:11
  And then since then, particularly in the last two or three years, it seems to have intensified.
• 35:16
  Would you agree with that?
• 35:18
  Do you think that timeline's accurate or if you seem differently?
• 35:21
  I do.
• 35:21
  I think it's just been increasing, increasing, and I my my my sense of it has been that they are testing to see if people are looking at the sky and people are have not been looking at the sky.
• 35:32
  Don't know what they're looking at.
• 35:33
  They they haven't seen the difference of 40 40 years ago and 30 years ago and 20 years ago.
• 35:40
  They haven't seen these these crisscross, they they do they do crossword puzzles in the sky to check on whether we people are paying attention or not.
• 35:50
  I think you're right because some of it seems so deliberately obvious that absolutely exactly.
• 35:55
  But I'm telling you, most people don't see it anyway.
• 35:58
  They're not seeing it, they're not looking up.
• 36:00
  So people need to learn to look up.
• 36:03
  Need to look up, maybe looking look around, yes, look down, look into the soil.
• 36:08
  Look into the soil, get to know who's there so that you know who's gone.
• 36:12
  That's the only way you'll know who's gone is if you knew who was there.
• 36:16
  Very well.
• 36:18
  So we've got about four minutes to go, and I want to give you the last word in this segment.
• 36:24
  I'll do my little close out at the end.
• 36:26
  But I I can't thank you enough for coming on, Abby.
• 36:30
  Your your decades and decades of observation and awareness and experience are really so valuable.
• 36:37
  Um I'm gonna let you kind of take us out of this segment.
• 36:40
  I just want to know what you would say to our listeners about what we need to do to stop this this geoengineering menace that we're dealing with.
• 36:49
  Oh my goodness, you know, that one has felt, I have to say, beyond me, but there are we need to support the people who are able to do something about it.
• 37:02
  That is, you know, that is absolutely beyond individuals, and except for individuals who know how to talk to the people who are taking it up and there, and there are such people.
• 37:14
  I haven't done that.
• 37:15
  I but and I should be doing it, but I feel I didn't know who to talk to.
• 37:20
  I've been knowing about it for so long, and having people not notice it, but people need to open their eyes and open their ears and open their sense of smell.
• 37:32
  Yes, open all their all their senses to understanding what is healthy and what isn't healthy.
• 37:43
  Absolutely.
• 37:44
  It's essentially essentially what what I think, and to enjoy the health, because the health is beautiful, and the unhealth is not beautiful.
• 37:55
  And we need to we need to recover beauty in this land, which had came, which was with pure beauty, and we have been letting it go, and that has to do with a not a not an okay economic system, which has gotten to be more and more um monopoly again, which is no good for anything.
• 38:19
  We have to we have to we have to stop that.
• 38:22
  And I am not the one to say how to stop that, but there are people who do know, like Catherine Austin Fitz.
• 38:29
  I mean, there's some wonderful people that and that that guy guy um R and Day, who gave an amazing speech.
• 38:37
  Yes.
• 38:38
  The other day, yeah.
• 38:39
  I mean, there are people who are understanding what what what are the what are the what are the economic forces that are sending us down bad places?
• 38:48
  Yes, very much so, as as you know, Dane Wiggington, who's been fighting the geoengineering battle for 20 years, says it's yeah, who's doing it, though who's they?
• 38:56
  And he says it's whoever's printing the money.
• 38:59
  And I think that that's something that we really need to take into account too, because this is all interconnected, isn't it?
• 39:05
  That is right.
• 39:06
  So it's just a question of being aware and feeling the hope that there is right now and going with it.
• 39:13
  Going with it.
• 39:14
  And so um when I come back in the the last segment, I'm gonna um give a little update on the um actions that are going on to try and stop this.
• 39:26
  For now, I just really want to thank you, Abby.
• 39:29
  I hope you'll be willing to come back on the show at a later date, and we can talk some more, and I can talk off the off the uh the recording with you about I'm I'm gonna try and get you involved uh even more than you already are if you're willing.
• 39:44
  So thank you so much.
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• 42:24
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• 42:33
  I'd like to take us to the end of today's podcast by following up our conversation with Abby Rockefeller and spend a little time looking at an article from a friend of mine, Dr.
• 42:50
  Joseph Varon, who is a very excellent physician who is extremely active during the COVID era, and who is one of the leaders of the Independent Medical Alliance.
• 43:11
  Joe writes about a large number of different topics, most of them medical in nature.
• 43:18
  But he recently wrote an article for Brownstone Institute that is very relevant to today's talk with Abby.
• 43:28
  And his articles entitled Insect Loss is an early warning system.
• 43:36
  Excuse me, insect loss is an early warning of systemic biological failure.
• 43:42
  And I'd like to work through it in the last segment here because I think it's an excellent follow-up to the conversation that Abby and I had in the first two segments about what we're facing.
• 43:53
  And I think that geoengineering is a major cause of this.
• 43:56
  It's probably not the only cause, but that is an absolute catastrophic loss of our insect numbers in the throughout the world right now over the last couple of decades.
• 44:12
  And I'm going to start by reading from Joe Varon's article.
• 44:17
  Again, it's entitled Insect Loss as an Early Warning of Systemic Biological Failure.
• 44:24
  And it's in Brownstone Journal.
• 44:27
  And Joe writes in medicine, silence can be more alarming than noise.
• 44:32
  For example, a patient who abruptly stops voicing discomfort or a monitor that ceases activity may signal system failure rather than resolution.
• 44:41
  Ecology presents a similar scenario, and currently the silence is deeply concerning.
• 44:48
  Insects are disappearing across vast regions globally.
• 44:52
  This is not a modest decline or a simple geographic cis shift, but a rapid vanishing of beetles, butterflies, moths, flies, mosquitoes, bees, and entire functional groups.
• 45:05
  This phenomenon is not speculative or anecdotal.
• 45:09
  It is among the most consistently documented biological trends of the past 50 years and remains insufficiently addressed.
• 45:17
  For context, the total biomass of lost insects is comparable to the combined weight of all commercial aircraft worldwide, representing a profound ecological and economic loss.
• 45:31
  For decades, insects were treated as background noise, annoyances at best, pests at worst.
• 45:37
  Their abundance was assumed, their resilience taken for granted.
• 45:41
  We designed agricultural systems, urban environments, chemical interventions, and technological solutions on the unspoken assumption that insects would always be there.
• 45:52
  They were too numerous to fail.
• 45:54
  This assumption has proven incorrect.
• 45:59
  Joe writes that the data are not subtle.
• 46:02
  One of the most widely cited early warnings came from a long-term German entomological study that tracked flying insect biomass across protected areas over nearly three decades.
• 46:15
  The results shocked even the investigators.
• 46:18
  A decline of more than 75% in total flying insect biomass between 1989 and 2016.
• 46:27
  These were not industrial zones or pesticide saturated fields.
• 46:32
  These were nature preserves.
• 46:34
  However, many regions like Africa and large parts of Asia still lack comprehensive long-term insect monitoring, leaving significant gaps in our understanding of global insect declines.
• 46:48
  Subsequent studies confirmed that this was not an anomaly.
• 46:51
  A global review published in Biological Conservation concluded that approximately 40% of insect species are threatened with extinction, with declines accelerating in recent decades.
• 47:04
  Longitudinal data from the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Puerto Rico, North America, and East Asia tell the same story, with local variation but consistent direction.
• 47:15
  The loss is not limited to rare or specialized species.
• 47:19
  Common insects, the ones that once filled the air, are disappearing fastest.
• 47:25
  Entomologists now openly discuss functional extinction, a state in which a species technically still exists, but no longer play their ecological roles in meaningful numbers.
• 47:39
  The significance of this issue is often underestimated.
• 47:44
  Joe goes on to write that insects are not optional.
• 47:47
  He said insects occupy a central role in terrestrial and freshwater ecosystems.
• 47:53
  They pollinate plants, recycle nutrients, regulate microbial populations, control pest species, and serve as the primary food source for numerous birds, amphibians, reptiles, and fish.
• 48:06
  Rather than being peripheral, insects form the structural foundation of these systems.
• 48:12
  The loss of these foundational species could result in the disappearance of familiar foods such as coffee, chocolate, apples, and almonds, directly impacting daily nutrition.
• 48:22
  Approximately three-quarters of global crop species rely at least partially on animal pollination, predominantly by insects.
• 48:30
  The economic value of insect pollination alone is estimated in the hundreds of billions of dollars annually.
• 48:37
  But focusing on economics understates the issue.
• 48:41
  Without insects, food systems collapse, not just quantitatively, but qualitatively.
• 48:48
  Nutrient diversity declines, resilience vanishes, dependency on industrial inputs increases.
• 48:54
  A study published in PLOS 1 found that the decline in insect pollinators could lead to a reduction in the concentrations of key vitamins such as vitamin A and folate worldwide, amounting to a 40% decrease in nutrient density in certain crops.
• 49:12
  Ecological systems tend to fail abruptly rather than gradually once critical thresholds are exceeded.
• 49:21
  And this is really important because things don't go downhill always in a manner where we can see them and reverse them in time.
• 49:31
  A lot of times the compensation continues until the system can't compensate anymore, and then it suddenly fails altogether.
• 49:42
  Joe goes on to talk about the windshield phenomenon, which Abby and I spoke about in detail previously.
• 49:48
  When I was growing up, you could drive across town in the summer, and you would have to wipe the bugs off the windshield.
• 49:55
  We don't have to do that anymore.
• 49:58
  It's
• 50:00
  A striking difference.
• 50:01
  It's kind of like we used to have deep blue skies, and now we have these streaked gray skies with this filthy film all over the place.
• 50:17
  In his article, Joe makes some very interesting comments about certain types of insects, specifically mosquitoes.
• 50:25
  He says few insects are more universally despised than mosquitoes.
• 50:29
  Their role as vectors of infectious disease makes them easy targets for eradication campaigns and their decline is often celebrated.
• 50:36
  But ecosystems do not allow selective deletions without consequences.
• 50:41
  Mosquito larvae are a primary food source for fish and amphibians.
• 50:45
  Adult mosquitoes feed birds, bats, reptiles, and other insects.
• 50:49
  Their disappearance reverberates through food webs in ways that are poorly modeled and rarely discussed.
• 50:56
  The belief that undesirable species can be selectively removed while maintaining ecosystem stability reflects a mechanistic misconception similar to the outdated medical notion that symptom suppression equates disease resolution.
• 51:12
  Natural systems do not benefit from simplification, rather, they are adversely affected by it.
• 51:19
  Let's repeat that statement.
• 51:21
  Natural systems do not benefit from simplification, rather, they are adversely affected by it.
• 51:31
  Joe goes on to talk about a number of different causes.
• 51:38
  And he leaves out a couple that I think are central.
• 51:41
  But he says the temporal pattern, taxonomic selectivity, and geographical clustering point to multiple interacting drivers, many of them anthropogenic and poorly regulated.
• 51:53
  When we say anthropogenic and poorly regulated, it means that we human beings are doing it and we're not watching out for what we are doing.
• 52:04
  He states key contributors include chronic pesticide exposure, particularly systemic insecticides such as neonicotinoids, neonicotinoids, which persist in soil and water and affect non-target species.
• 52:23
  He mentions herbicide driven loss of flowering plants, eliminating food sources for pollinators.
• 52:30
  He mentions monoculture agriculture, which replaces complex habitats with biological deserts.
• 52:36
  And all of this seems to come together, doesn't it?
• 52:40
  We're trying to grow a small number of plants and small number of food plants.
• 52:46
  So we're doing a monoculture or a oligoculture type of agriculture.
• 52:54
  We are using herbicides at an enormous rate, which means that all the plants that are not the ones that we want are being killed off.
• 53:08
  And we are using chronic pesticides at absolutely astronomical rates and ones which are nonspecific.
• 53:17
  It's almost as if all we want is a field of corn, and anything that is not directly essential to that field of corn can just go away.
• 53:27
  Well, the world isn't that simple, and the world doesn't work like that.
• 53:32
  And even if it did, no one who is sane or moral would want it to work that way.
• 53:41
  Joe also mentions soil degradation and microbial collapse, undermining insect life cycles.
• 53:48
  He mentions light pollution, which disrupts navigation, mating and feeding behaviors in nocturnal insects, and urban sprawl and habitat fragmentation, reducing genetic diversity and resilience.
• 54:04
  I'm going to add a couple of things on to that.
• 54:06
  I think that there's very little question in my mind that geoengineering is having a tremendous effect on insect populations.
• 54:15
  And there are numerous studies out there showing elevated levels, for example, of aluminum in bees.
• 54:23
  Um evidence that aluminum toxicity in insects has some parallels to aluminum toxicity in humans.
• 54:34
  That is, it's injurious to the central nervous system.
• 54:38
  Furthermore, the cell towers that we're dealing with right now, and the absolute huge amounts of artificial electromagnetic frequency radiation that we are generating in our communication systems is absolutely affecting not only insects but other flying animals, such as birds and bats.
• 54:58
  Now, of course, birds and bats are also dependent upon insects for their survival, since those are a primary food source for them.
• 55:12
  So what are we going to do about this?
• 55:16
  You know, we look at this from the standpoint of, oh, how does it affect us?
• 55:21
  And Joe goes on to talk about why this should terrify physicians, not just ecologists, and he makes some very salient points.
• 55:32
  He says for physicians, we are trained to recognize early warning signs of systemic failure.
• 55:38
  So obviously, we're at a point where there's still food supply and whatnot, but we are heading to a point where there may not be, if there's a critical loss in insect populations.
• 55:54
  He also mentions nutritional density, food security, infectious disease patterns, and so on and so forth.
• 56:06
  He goes on, though, to make an important point, and I would like to stress this.
• 56:10
  He says medicine and public health treat the environment as background scenery rather than foundational infrastructure.
• 56:17
  And this is something that we as human beings need to very quickly bring into the fore.
• 56:25
  We have to understand that the earth, the natural earth, not the manipulated artificial, technologically driven electronic world that we largely live in, but the underlying earth, the soil, the water, the air, is our foundational infrastructure.
• 56:50
  What we need in our society and what we need on our planet is humility.
• 56:58
  We need to understand that at best we are stewards of the planet.
• 57:04
  We are not the owners of the planet.
• 57:06
  We are not the bosses of the planet.
• 57:08
  We are certainly not gods or demigods.
• 57:13
  And until we come to that determination, we continue to sow the seeds of our own destruction.
• 57:21
  This is Dr.
• 57:22
  Clayton J.
• 57:23
  Baker MD and the America Out Loud Radio Network for the America Outloud Pulse Program.
• 57:29
  Liberty and Justice for All.
• 57:31
  Until next time.