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Ken Rosenthal on Bo’s status, Dan Wilson’s flub, Angels new manager + Curt Hogg’s Brewers postmortem · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Here we go, let's hit the inside scoop.
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  Speaker 2: It is presented by Liz We've got to f t
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  Speaker 2: senior insider Ken Rosenthal with us.
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  Speaker 1: Ken. I'm gonna push forward first and we'll look.
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  Speaker 2: Back for a moment, just because I think this is
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  Speaker 2: the biggest storyline over the next few days. Bobaschett postgame
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  Speaker 2: telling multiple people as he was being interviewed in that
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  Speaker 2: wild club scene.
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  Speaker 1: He's ready to go. Do you think he's really ready
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  Speaker 1: to go? And do we have any idea what that
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  Speaker 1: would look like for them?
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  Speaker 3: I do believe he's ready to go. He actually told
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  Speaker 3: me the same thing the night before. He said, I
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  Speaker 3: will make myself available and I said to him, well,
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  Speaker 3: will the team deem you available? And he said, I
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  Speaker 3: assume that will be the case. So what is ahead
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  Speaker 3: here is very interesting because if Bishek comes back, I
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  Speaker 3: doubt it will be a shortstop. It's just too much.
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  Speaker 3: And at that point, what do you do, Well, he's
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  Speaker 3: probably the DH. If he's the DH, George Springer has
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  Speaker 3: to go back into the field and you lose. Addison Barger,
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  Speaker 3: Lucas and Barjar in particular has been kind of a
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  Speaker 3: revelation out there, so I don't know how this is
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  Speaker 3: going to play out. The other question I have, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm kind of curious what AJ and Todd think, is,
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  Speaker 3: here's a guy who has not been a part of
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  Speaker 3: it since September sixth, through no fault of his own.
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  Speaker 3: He's been hurt, but you've got something special going here,
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  Speaker 3: and as important as he is to the team, does
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  Speaker 3: it disrupt things a little bit if he comes back,
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  Speaker 3: particularly if he struggles initially, which would not be a
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  Speaker 3: great shock since he hasn't played in a month and
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  Speaker 3: a half.
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  Speaker 4: Ken I said this last night on the postgame show,
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know what they're gonna do because I
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  Speaker 4: don't know where he plays. You can't DHM because Springer's knee,
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  Speaker 4: and Springer is not a great outfielder at this point
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  Speaker 4: in his life anyways. And their defense in the outfit
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  Speaker 4: has been really good with the way they have it
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  Speaker 4: set up. And then Jimenez has been awesome at short
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  Speaker 4: and I know they're going to say, oh, I'll take
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  Speaker 4: ikf out and just move by shift to short. He
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  Speaker 4: hasn't played shortstop, you know, in a month and a half.
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  Speaker 4: He hasn't hit in a month and a half. He
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  Speaker 4: can't move well enough to play shortstop, so do you.
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  Speaker 4: And there was an old saying in baseball you don't
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  Speaker 4: make two positions less by worse by putting one guy
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  Speaker 4: in there, right, And that's what it seems like it
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  Speaker 4: would happen. I know Bobashitt is great. I love Boba shit.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's one of the great player. But I
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  Speaker 4: just don't know how they do this without affecting everyone.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if you want to use him as a
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  Speaker 4: pinch hit, fine, but God forbids, something goes wrong and
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  Speaker 4: then they got to throw him out there on the field.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, oh, man, or do you just say, look, Bo,
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  Speaker 4: we're sorry you got hurt. We really do apologize, but
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  Speaker 4: we've got to go with what got us here.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's a great question, particularly because aj he is
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  Speaker 3: a free agent to be and he's not going to
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  Speaker 3: be part of their future. It's almost unquestionable that Andres
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  Speaker 3: Jimenez will be their shortstop from here on forward. I
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  Speaker 3: think that was part of the reason they acquired him
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  Speaker 3: in the first place, to protect themselves if Bishett did
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  Speaker 3: not sign. And I don't know that they ever expected
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  Speaker 3: to sign him, and I don't know that many teams
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  Speaker 3: are going to look at Bo the same way as
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  Speaker 3: a shortstop. His defensive metrics are not good. He's been
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  Speaker 3: one of the worst shortstops in the league according to
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  Speaker 3: those ratings. So if this is it for him, and
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  Speaker 3: if you feel your team is better set this way
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  Speaker 3: going into the World Series, man, I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: you put him on. And it's going to be a
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  Speaker 3: really interesting question. He's Bobashet, as you said, great hitter,
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  Speaker 3: a huge part of what they have done in all
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  Speaker 3: of these years, him and Vladdy, Vladdie and him. But
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  Speaker 3: it's just a tricky spot that they're in with him
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 5: So my opinion, I feel like this guy is needed
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  Speaker 5: for this team, excuse me, in the World Series. I
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  Speaker 5: think this Dodger team is that good. I think they
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  Speaker 5: need all the best bets they need. I think it's
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  Speaker 5: a guy that could come in. Do I think he
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  Speaker 5: has what it takes to be ready right away? I
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  Speaker 5: think they're gonna have to take a chance. I just
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  Speaker 5: want your humble opinion about this kind of player. Do
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  Speaker 5: you think he's needed in the World Series for them
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  Speaker 5: to win a championship or do you think they could
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  Speaker 5: do it do.
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  Speaker 3: Without Todd That's a great point, and that really is
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  Speaker 3: the other side of this, that you're facing a team
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  Speaker 3: that is going to be favored to beat you. You
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  Speaker 3: are facing some of the best starting pitching we've seen
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  Speaker 3: in the post seasons since I don't know, maybe AJ's
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and five White Sox team. Honestly so, given
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  Speaker 3: that and given who he is as a hitter, that's
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  Speaker 3: the case for putting him on taking your best shot
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  Speaker 3: as a team. It's just that all these other things
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  Speaker 3: that we just talked about, they're factors too, and they complicated,
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  Speaker 3: so I don't know what they're going to do. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what the right solution is for them. It's,
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  Speaker 3: as I said, very tricky and a good problem to
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  Speaker 3: have in a way, but it's also something that is
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  Speaker 3: really delicate.
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  Speaker 5: I want to talk a little bit about the bottom
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  Speaker 5: of the lineup for Toronto. I felt like coming into
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  Speaker 5: the playoffs that was kind of like hit or miss
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  Speaker 5: really of what they're really about. I thought, if the
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  Speaker 5: bottom of the lineup could come through, good things will happen.
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  Speaker 5: What a big inning they had yesterday, big walk and
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  Speaker 5: then ikf with the single to kind of kickstart everything.
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  Speaker 5: Talk a little bit about what you saw there and
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  Speaker 5: how that's gonna bode well for them going into the
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  Speaker 5: World Series.
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  Speaker 3: That was a huge difference in this series. The Blue
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  Speaker 3: Jays bottom of the lineup was so much better than
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  Speaker 3: the Astros bottom of the lineup. It was not even close.
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  Speaker 3: And we saw Jimenez hit two big two home, two
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  Speaker 3: run homers in this series. He dropped the bunt last
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  Speaker 3: night and it was a huge key for them and
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  Speaker 3: Jimenez the guy who has not been a good offensive
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  Speaker 3: player for a while now, and he had some injuries
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  Speaker 3: this year that kind of prevented him from maybe taking
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  Speaker 3: the step forward that he wanted to, but he emerged
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  Speaker 3: in this series again as something of a threat. Their
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  Speaker 3: bottom of the order has been, no question, a huge
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  Speaker 3: pack factor for them. Barger coming on later in this series,
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  Speaker 3: all of these things that have happened, IKF. With the
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  Speaker 3: big hit last night, they are one to nine pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: They are one to nine certainly a team that puts
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  Speaker 3: the ball in play better than What's interesting to me
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  Speaker 3: about the World Series coming up is this the Brewers
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  Speaker 3: same kind of offense, really chaotic, put pressure on the
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  Speaker 3: other team, etc. Doesn't strike out much as an offense
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  Speaker 3: and yet the Dodgers just absolutely smothered them. Can they
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  Speaker 3: do to the same thing to the Blue Jays? I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, And it's interesting that they're going to start
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  Speaker 3: this series here in Toronto where I am still and
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  Speaker 3: go from there and just kind of have that home
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  Speaker 3: field advantage. I don't know that the Blue Jays can
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  Speaker 3: beat the Dodgers. Can they give them a series that
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  Speaker 3: I think is possible? But a lot's going to have
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  Speaker 3: to go right too.
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  Speaker 4: Ken, I got to ask because I had before we
• 7:54
  Speaker 4: get to the Mariner's side of this, which you know
• 7:57
  Speaker 4: to the victory goes the spoils. Do you have your
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  Speaker 4: may because Scott had his maya culpa for the Mariners
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  Speaker 4: ready if they would have made it, because he brants
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  Speaker 4: on him all the time. So we know your history
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  Speaker 4: with the Blue Jays. The Blue Jays played an incredible series.
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  Speaker 4: They deserve a ton of credit. So do you have
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Blue Jays fans ready for us, because Scott
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  Speaker 4: was ready with his I'm sorry Mariners fanstead he got
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  Speaker 4: to pile on again.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to jump in after whatever Ken says, but
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  Speaker 1: go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Most of all, aj if you ever read me, which
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  Speaker 3: you don't, you would know I've already written this, and
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  Speaker 3: you would also know in fairness to me for a change,
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  Speaker 3: Oh for me, they've written about the Blue Jays last year,
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  Speaker 3: the year before, they were not a team that played
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  Speaker 3: to its potential. The things I've written about their front
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  Speaker 3: office were things a lot of their fans were saying too.
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  Speaker 3: But hey, certainly they deserve all the credit for this season,
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  Speaker 3: and it's been one of those seasons executives like to
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  Speaker 3: talk like this, where they got ninety nine percentile outcomes
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  Speaker 3: in almost every area, not every area, because even some
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  Speaker 3: of their additions didn't really work out that well. Schuzer
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: was hurt all the time, him Menez was heard all
• 9:03
  Speaker 3: the time, sometime Dare was hurt all the time. But
• 9:05
  Speaker 3: they fortified at the deadline, and they just had this
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  Speaker 3: kind of magical run. A manager who evolved from the
• 9:13
  Speaker 3: guy who took out Jose Barrias a couple of years
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  Speaker 3: ago and seem to have a great grasp of this team.
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  Speaker 3: They've got great veteran leadership in that room, they have
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: younger players contributing. It's kind of a perfect mix. A
• 9:25
  Speaker 3: team you really like to see play, like to watch,
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  Speaker 3: and all the credit to them. Absolutely, they deserve it.
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  Speaker 3: And I wrote that at the start of the postseason, AJ,
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  Speaker 3: You're late.
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  Speaker 4: Wait was that that was a weird way to apologize? Ken?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 4: That wasn't really And I'm sorry apologizing.
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  Speaker 3: There's nothing to apologize for it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, bring me in, Bring me in because I
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  Speaker 2: want to. I want to add to this Ken because
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  Speaker 2: I think it's important, not just for Age because he
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: jokes about it, but for fans. If you want us
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  Speaker 2: to talk about our opinions right and commentate on the
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  Speaker 2: sport and not just be robots, then you can't hold
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  Speaker 2: what we say a year two years ago to a
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  Speaker 2: different team. You didn't say the Jays are paper Tigers forever.
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  Speaker 2: They will always be paper tigers. You talked about a
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  Speaker 2: specific team that was not good. This year's team is good,
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: and it's not like you've been smashing them all this year,
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  Speaker 2: which some people have done.
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: Some people will.
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  Speaker 4: Say, oh, this Jay Smiler was getting fired in like April, remember,
• 10:21
  Speaker 4: and now here he is going to the World Series.
• 10:22
  Speaker 4: Was their front office?
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: Hey, there are a lot of people who thought this
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: was going to be the end of the run for
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: this group, and then they signed Laddie and that actually,
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: as I wrote, I believe yesterday made a big difference.
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: It kind of freed up the team. As John Schneider
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: said at one point on Jason Stark's podcast, it ended
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: any possibility of Ladd leaving as a free agent. Assure
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: the players at the team and management was intending on
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: winning and winning not just short term but long term.
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  Speaker 3: And it kind of changed the whole dynamic of the club.
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  Speaker 3: That was a big thing for them. And now when
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  Speaker 3: you look at Ladd Junior playing the way he's playing
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  Speaker 3: of course ALC MVP, you see maybe why he was
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: worth the money. And that's what I wrote about yesterday
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  Speaker 3: as well. Aj, you can go back and read that
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  Speaker 3: one too.
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  Speaker 4: What's reading? What's reading? Ken?
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  Speaker 7: What's y?
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  Speaker 1: He does too much talking to read?
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  Speaker 2: But Ken, let me continue on because this plays into
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  Speaker 2: the Mariner's portion, and I have a question for you
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  Speaker 2: about them. But what AJ was referring to is how
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  Speaker 2: I loved, like many others, the Mariners pitching staff for
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: the past few years and felt like this was the
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: first time that they actually supported the other side. Shocker,
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  Speaker 2: the offense was significantly batter blah blah blah, and here
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  Speaker 2: they get to this point. I was pissed the prior
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  Speaker 2: two years that I felt like they had this and
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  Speaker 2: they were not supporting the lineup side. That seemed to
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  Speaker 2: play out exactly that way, and if anything, the starting
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: staff had some more injuries this year in an effectiveness
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  Speaker 2: we saw it in this series two. So my question
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  Speaker 2: for you, though, is what happened with Dan Wilson. You
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  Speaker 2: spoke to him after the game. He kept using that
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: pivot term to you and to everyone else, and I
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  Speaker 2: get it, but I don't get it because it's October twentieth,
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  Speaker 2: not June twentieth.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't like the call either to go to
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  Speaker 3: Bizardo and not Muno's there. I don't really know that
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  Speaker 3: there's a good explanation for it. You've got to stop
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  Speaker 3: the game right there, and then you worry about the
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  Speaker 3: ninth inning later or the eighth inning, and the ninth inning.
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  Speaker 3: At that point, they hadn't used Munos much at all
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  Speaker 3: in this series and you end up losing the series
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  Speaker 3: essentially without him, So he's gonna get criticized for that.
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  Speaker 3: He should get criticized for that. I didn't agree with it,
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  Speaker 3: and I didn't really even buy his explanation. Usually when
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  Speaker 3: managers explain their moves, I say, Okay, I at least
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: see where he's coming from. It's a little tougher with
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: this one. Dan Wilson a heck of a nice guy,
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: and you hate to see any manager, any team in
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: the pain that that team was in after the game.
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: It was rough to see cal Riley was in tears.
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: Cal Riley was in tears.
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 3: Given the forty nine years and everything surrounding them, it
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  Speaker 3: just was so just appointing for them and any fan
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  Speaker 3: out there. Obviously some fans probably hate the Mariners, but
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: any fan out there can't sympathize with what that team
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  Speaker 3: was going through in that moment doesn't have a heart. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I will tell you this what I was going to
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  Speaker 3: write if they won the game, depending on circumstances, but
• 13:18
  Speaker 3: this was the way I was leaning. Was kind of
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: going back to cal Rawley's comments two years ago at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the season when they were eliminated by Texas.
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: And remember what he said then. He basically called out
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: management for not showing enough commitment. And that same offseason
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: was the off season in which President of Baseball Operations
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: Jerry Depoto said, Hey, you win fifty four percent of
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  Speaker 3: your games over a ten year period, you're going to
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: get your shot once in a while. Fans should be
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: thankful that we're being patient like this. And of course
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: it didn't come off well.
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  Speaker 1: I knew what he.
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  Speaker 3: Meant, and actually what he meant kind of came to
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  Speaker 3: fruition here. They won I don't know, fifty five to
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  Speaker 3: fifty six percent of their games this year and almost
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: made it to the World Series.
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  Speaker 4: But this team has come a long way.
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  Speaker 3: Their moves at the deadline for Naylor and Suarez were
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  Speaker 3: moves that they might not have made before. So they
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: had a great season. They won their first division titles
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  Speaker 3: in two thousand and one. They beat the Tigers in
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  Speaker 3: that epic Division series. They extended this series to seven games.
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  Speaker 3: They had a to nothing lead. We all know that
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  Speaker 3: they had an opportunity last.
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  Speaker 1: Night with a lead. We all know that.
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  Speaker 3: But if I'm a Mariners fan, of course I'm crushed
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  Speaker 3: at the same time as a fan, my opinion is
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  Speaker 3: all you can ever ask for is a competitive season
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  Speaker 3: in which your team's kind of in it all the
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  Speaker 3: way they got that. Now, of course they want more.
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  Speaker 3: We all understand that, and eventually you would expect they're
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  Speaker 3: gonna get more. They're gonna get that World Series finally.
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  Speaker 3: But this was a tough way to lose, no question.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, the cub said that for one hundred and some years, ken,
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  Speaker 4: so they can you know they're gonna get that World
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  Speaker 4: Series eventually. I mean, they're only forty seven in. They
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  Speaker 4: got what how many every years they're in, They only
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: got like fifty something more to go to get to
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  Speaker 4: the Cubs. So go Cubbies. But no, the thing is
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  Speaker 4: is they want you know, Jerry Depoto had the famous
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  Speaker 4: quote fifty four percent, and cal Rawley came out and said, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't really mean what I said. It was taken
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  Speaker 4: out of context, but he was exactly right with what
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  Speaker 4: he said. They finally did it. Will we see more?
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: What I want to know for the Mariner fans out there,
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: will we see more of this from their ownership or
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: are they gonna say, oh, we almost won. It didn't
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: work We're gonna have to cut payroll because Naylor's a
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: free agent. Suarez is a free agent. Right, some of
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: these pitchers are starting to get to where there are
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: eligible and they're gonna have to get paid a lot
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: more money. Yes, they signed cal Rawly, Yes they signed Julio,
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: But what are they gonna do? Are they gonna stick
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: with this trend or are they gonna go back to
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: the old Mariners like, oh, well, we'll just try to
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: you know, win games and hopefully we get lucky.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that question. And actually, Aj,
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: it's the right question to ask right now. Where is ownership?
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Are they gonna keep pushing or are they just gonna
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: be what they've been for many many years now, which
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: is kind of set me all the way in, but
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: not totally all the way in. So that's a question
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: that we'll see resolved in the offseason. And to go
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: back to Rally, to Raley's comments from two years ago.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: One thing he said afterward he did apologize for making
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: the comments, basically because he was afraid that he had
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: offended his teammates. He didn't want to come off as
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: criticizing his teammates, and he wasn't criticizing his teammates.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: He was saying, we.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Need better players, but not at the expense of his teammates.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: What he was saying was, hey, we've got to go
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: out and get some people, and that they eventually did.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: At the time, he did not apologize for wanting to win.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: And AJ, I know you don't read me, but I
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: had an interview with Raleigh on the pregame show, I
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: believe it was before Game six, and I asked him
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: about those comments, and he said it came from a
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: place of frustration. And he also said that they've said
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: or they've done what they said they were going to do.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: They improved the team, They've gone out and gotten players,
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: and he had no problem with the front office. In fact,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: he signed a six year, one hundred and five million
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: dollar extension. So you're right, they are now at an
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: interesting crossroads because what they should do is double down
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: and keep going. They've got to improve their team a
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: little bit.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: But will they do that.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that last question.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: We just saw signing a manager, signing Kurtsuzuki with the Angels.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: Congrats to him, what a great guy. Do you know
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: a little bit about him, talk about him. What do
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: you think this signing means for the Angels and how
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: do you see this, you know, turning out for the Angels.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Well, Kurt Tazuki is one of the great people in
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: the game, and he's a guy with a very upbeat personality.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: He played for World Championship team in Washington in twenty nineteen,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: and I have no doubt he can succeed as a manager.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: I do have doubt that any manager can succeed in Anaheim.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: And I don't know what happened with Pools, whether it
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: was money, whether he had just reservation, I don't know.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: But for Kurt Suzuki, for Peramanazi in their GM, the
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: challenge is working for an owner who is committed in
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: his own way, not committed like you would want to
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: see him committed to winning. So I don't know. I
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: wish Kurt the best. I've known Kurt forever and he's
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: a great guy. As I said, will he be a
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: great manager? You never know when you hire someone essentially
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: who has never done it before. But he was a
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: former catcher. We all know how smart former catchers are
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: because on this program they kind of run the show.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: But at the same time. Do I count on this
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: being a success. I can't count on this being a success.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: No, that's a good way to put it.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: There's such an obstacle there that will continue to be
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: an obstacle.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: But we'll see how he handles it.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: And I'm excited to also at some point see what
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: happened with pool Holsen with Artie.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Before Ken goes. I know he's got to go, But Ken,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: would you have had Munnosen in the seventh or were
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: you happy with the Bazaar had?
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you got to stop the game right there,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: and again there's the leadoff walk. You can get somebody
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: up right then. Then you got two more hitters before
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: uh Springer spot came up. Yeah, I would have had
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: him up in that game. You still have Brash, you
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: still have Bizardo. After that, you could have managed the
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: rest of the game quite well.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: That was the game.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: That was the game.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: One other thing the night before, and I got a
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: text from a manager right after the game about this
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Bizarto pitch two winnings. Now, it was only fifteen pitches,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: but he threw two winnings, and I believe that was
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: his ninth appearance of the postseason or last night was nine,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure which it was one of the other.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: He appeared in almost every game. He was kind of there,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Louis Varland. At some point, you gotta go to your
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: best guy, and they didn't do that.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Frash pitch two innings in seven games, Kenan, Yes, right,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: it's too good waste, good waste on the bench.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where that's just that's where Mariners fans are
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: at right now. It's like great season whatever, but it's
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: not like they lost that game cleanly. There's a move
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: that many would make that I think is really causing
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of pain right now in Seattle. So we
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: wanted to make sure we hammered it and then we
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: can move on. Ken good stuff and we will talk
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: to you obviously later in the week about the World
• 20:27
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• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Sounds good, guys. Thanks.
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• 21:23
  Speaker 2: for the Brewers, Kurt Hogue is back on FT. We
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: haven't put the season to bed for Milwaukee. Obviously, it
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: went to bed this past weekend, and then we were
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: busy yesterday getting ready for Game seven. But now we're
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: going to say night night to Milwaukee.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Kurt.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Good to see you, and tell me your evaluation of
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five campaign for the Brewers and try
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: to look at it from a more global perspective of
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: how this team has been good consistently but not doing
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: enough damage in the postseason Or am I wrong?
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: No, You're absolutely right.
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: I think this year was a bit different than the
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: past four or five success years where they get bounced
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: early because they did win a playoff series, and not
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: only did they win a playoff series, they beat their
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: biggest rivals in the division, the Cubs, Craig Council, all
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: all that jazz, you can say, whateveryone about the celebration
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: after in the l Flag and then getting absolutely bludgeoned
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: by the Dodgers, and they're pitching obviously that I don't
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: know if there's ever been a better pitch series than
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: we saw from those four guys. The Brewers went six
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: to zero against them in the regular season and absolutely
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: outclassed in the in the postseason. So kind of difficult
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: to square those two things together. But ultimately, look, they
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: won ninety seven wins, Murph would say just about every
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: day until we all grew tired of it. No one
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: really expected a ton from them, Not even those who've
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: been around the team like myself, saw ninety seven wins
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: and an NLCS appearance coming. So look, it was a
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: successful season that ended, unfortunately for them, in the same
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: way that it always ends without a World Series ring.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: I want to ask you. I was gonna ask something else,
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: but I heard you say something that they were out class.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: Can you further explain to me of what your reasoning
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: for that is and how you came up with something
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: like that.
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: I mean, you saw the pitching, right, the fact that
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: the Dodgers and their big money arms came at you
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: time and time again. And it wasn't just the fact
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: that they out talented.
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: The Brewers in that series.
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: It felt like there was a lot going on in
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: terms of the Dodgers pitching against the Brewers hitting that
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: just didn't line up well for the Brewers. And Blake
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: Snell comes out in Game one and locates better than
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: we ever see him locate, and he's going heavy change ups,
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: and the Brewers could never just Yamamoto. They were chasing everything,
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: chasing splits. You know, it looked everything looked like fastball
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: coming out of the hand against him, and a team
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: that doesn't chase swung at everything. So it was sort
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: of that that stood up from that series the Dodgers.
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: The Bruce pitching did great, held them to fifteen runs
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: outside of show obviously hitting three homers in the final.
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: They pitched pretty dang well, but they just they couldn't
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: get anything going on offense.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: You mentioned this was what you say a good year
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: for the Brewers. But a good year okay, they want
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: to They won a five game series, congratulations, but they
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: didn't make it the World Series. Again, they didn't. They
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: got they got William, They got whacked by the Dodgers
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: like you mentioned, right, So why do you say it's
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: just because they won the one playoff series against the
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: cub A team that they had. You know, it's kind
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: of their rival. So does that make the fans happy
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: in Milwaukee or did they still want more in Milwaukee
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: because I did a bunch of games in Milwaukee, and man,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: do they they want more? Right? They want Mark Ontinasio
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: to spend that and take the next step. And here
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: we are talking about Freddy perrault to maybe being traded,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: William Catreres maybe traded. Are they gonna pick up options?
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: You know, like will they take the next step to
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: really you know, and they cutting the payroll, yet they
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: keep winning. At some point those two don't work together.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: So when will the ownership, much like we just talked
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: about with the Maritors, take the next step and say, hey,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: when we fill this place every game we are packed,
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: every game, we may sell a ton of merchandise. We're
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: gonna throw more money at this team and really try
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: to take the next step.
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Milwaukee's a place that there deserves a winner. It's
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: a great baseball city. You know that. You know, all
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: you guys that have been here, you know that they
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: sold i think twenty something games out in the second half.
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: The playoff atmospheres were incredible. It was I mean, yeah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: as it was a good year because they won ninety
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: seven games, and we all, i mean, like we've all
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: been around baseball for a long time. We know that
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: the playoffs can be fickled and you shouldn't probably just
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: use a postseason performance as a terminent entire season, and
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: this year was a step forward for the Brewers. But no, no,
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: you're absolutely right. You're kind of looking at them against
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: the Dodgers and this series and you're like, well, that's
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: that's your competition. You can kind of squeeze as much
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: out of the two toothpaste in the regular season. And
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: Matt Arnold his crew have done that time and time again.
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: Pat Murphy as a manager that he's done that in
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: both his seasons as well, and it's like, okay, well,
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: this is like best case, you win ninety seven games,
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: you get the one seed, the best record in baseball,
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: and then you get to the playoffs and it's like,
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: oh man, the talent level was disparity was really on display. No,
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: the Bruis played four bad games. The Dodgers played four
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: great games. That can happen at any point. Like I said,
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: the Bruis did beat them six times this season, but
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: when the chips were on the table and push came
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: to shove, they just didn't have the guys to compete
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: with the Dodgers. And you know, maybe that's not the
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: biggest knock in the world because it's the Dodgers. They
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: have all the guys. But the Brewers do need to
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: do something to up the top tier of their team
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: and be in a situation where they can compete in
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: that NLCS if they have to face the Dodgers again.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: All right, Curl, I'm gonna running suit through some of
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: the decisions they have coming up. Shelby Miller, Jordan Montgomery,
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: their free agents. They're probably gone, right, we'll go. We'll
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: start with the options. William Coturs, that's an easy pickup
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: for me. Twelve million, that's an easy pickup, it seems
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: like to me. Reyese Hoskins seems like an easy He's
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: out the door. He didn't even play at the end.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: He wasn't happy, right, Danny Jansen twelve million. They're not
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: picking that one up for a five hundred thousand dollars buyout. Sorry,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Freddy Peralta. They're already talking about trading him because they're
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: gonna pick up his option eight million dollars. The steal
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: of the year, Jose Cantana, they're not picking him up.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's fifteen million. And then Brandon Woodruff
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: is the one that's interesting to me. Twenty million for
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: the option ten million dollar buyout. I would think he
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: would be a guy they would think about bringing back
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: your thoughts.
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the Brewers would be interested in that
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: because that's basically a ten million dollar deal for the
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: next year. But if you're Woody, I think you're getting
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: more than ten million on the market somewhere else. Now,
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: he pitched what eighteen nineteen games this year, somewhere in
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: that range, may fifteen games, and there is the history
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: of the shoulder. But in speaking with him, he feels
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: like he's at a full go next year, and we're
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: talking like workload, velocity stuff, all that stuff being back,
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: and so he probably will make more than ten miles
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: in the open market. And so this is like, look,
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: this is why mutual options almost never get picked up,
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: and then the Bruce case never get picked up.
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: So I could still see Woody being.
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: Back in Milwaukee if the two sides can work something out,
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: but they're gonna have to compete with some other clubs
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: on the open market because if he's at a full go, Like,
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: think about it, he was a three to two era
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: this year and he was throwing mid low nineties, mid
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: nineties when he was at his best, but mostly low nineties,
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: and like really pitching. Now, imagine if his fastballs are
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: back to to what we're used to seeing. That's a
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: guy that should generate some good interest this winter.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Hey, Kurt, how many more tricks does Pat Murphy have
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: up his sleep? He did the old average Joe's thing
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: this year, you know, he did the Woe is us
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: We're the little you know, the little engine that could
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: trick for the for the whole year this year, and
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: they had the best striking in baseball. What other tricks
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: does Pat Murphy have up his sleep?
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: I don't know, but there's more.
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: I guarantee you there's more you said in the production
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: meetings with him, There are more, Like I wouldn't be
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: surprised if we show up to spring training and they're
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: playing the underdog card again. I mean they it maybe
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: even be justified, Like the Cubs will probably pick to
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: win the division next year, and that's understandable. And if
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: they are, or Pakoda has the Brewers that like eighty
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: four wins again, guess who's gonna play that up. It's
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: gonna be Murph. That's what he does. And they're gonna
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: like they're just gonna go all in on the same
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: things again.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Hey, Kurt, I'll double down on the Freddy Peralta story.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's gonna dominate the headlines. We know this
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: happens almost every off season now for the Brewers. Last
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: year it was Devin Williams. The year before that, it
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: was Corbyn Burns. It's Freddy Parolta talk time. Is there
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: any chance that they keep him? I mean, he's a
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: top five National league pitcher, he's cheap as hell, and
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: he's about to be a free agent. Isn't that a
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: lock for the Brewers to deal him away? And you
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: look at superstars that they've picked up for these past trades,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: but valuable parts of the team, and they truly believe
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: that this is how they keep the train running and
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: not going through rebuild.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I wouldn't categorize it as a lock that he
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: gets traded, But everything that I've picked up and gathered
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: from people that are you know, inside the industry and
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: have some idea of what the Brewers might be thinking
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: is that they expect him to be traded. And look,
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: we've seen the Brewers do this for it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: Just like you mentioned.
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: Scott, the one guy that they didn't trade, if you remember,
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: is Willi Adamis and Freddy does share a few similarities
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: with Willy in terms of the importance to the clubhouse
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: and like what he means to the franchise, But there's
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: a difference between the two of them in their final
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: year of team controls that Willy was coming off and down.
• 30:59
  Speaker 8: Hear Freddy's gonna finish in the top five of cy
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: Young voting for this this this season and his contract.
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: Everyone in the league can take that on. So it's
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: not a sure thing the Brewers trade him. You're gonna
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: have to meet the price for sure. But all signs.
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: You know everything we know about how the Brewers like
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: to keep churning and don't want to avoid it.
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: They don't you know, they.
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: Don't want to have any potholes where they just really
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: stink for a couple of years. Like they want to
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: keep the talent pool full and get that young control talent.
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: Odds are Freddy Peralta could be moved this offseason.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Definitely, definitely to the guys in absolute God. Now along
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: those lines, guys getting moved, guys not getting picked up.
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: Can you talk a little bit about the minor leagues?
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: There is there anybody that you could see coming up
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: from Double A, Triple A that's going to make a
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: mark on this team and help them get that next
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: step forward in the playoffs.
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: I think it's interesting if you look at the Brewers window,
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: they have a really really good farm, So hazous Ma
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: Day obviously one of the top four or five prospects
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: probably in baseball.
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: Cooper Pratt's up there. Guys like that.
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: They have a really good system and they keep drafting
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: and developing well. But it's a little bit down the
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: road now that like guys like miss and Logan Henderson
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: and Robert Gasser have come up and they'll be in
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: the rotation next year. Like that's sort of the young
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: talent pool that they'll be relying on a lot next year.
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: And then maybe it's a couple of years down the
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: road when my day's up and Pratt's here and Jefferson
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: Caro's a starting catcher after Contraras leaves, like there, their
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: window is extended. There's not necessarily any guys like right
• 32:37
  Speaker 8: on the on the precipice of the big leagues next year,
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: although maybe you could argue that what we saw from
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: miss and the Posts in the postseason, he's on the
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: precipice of being like a really, really good big league pitcher.
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: There's still a lot for him to figure out, but
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: those kind of performances make you feel pretty good if
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: you're the Brewers about him as like a number two,
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: number three starter next year.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: Now it's gonna be my question, what do they do
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: with him next year? Because going into listen be going
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: into the postseason, you know this curt they didn't really
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: hide it. They didn't even know what he was going
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: to be in the postseason. They didn't know if he's
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: gonna be on the roster. They didn't know if he
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: was going to be a starter or reliever. They didn't
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: know if they could trust him. And then he went
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: out and had some huge performances for him. So does
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: that automatically earn him back the trust of Murph and
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: and the coaching staff in the front offense and say, okay,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: we can plug this guy into the rotation because he
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: did make the All Star team as a starter this year.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, as controversial as it.
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: Was, Yeah, he's going to be a starter. I think
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: he's a lock for the opening day of rotation. The
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: Brewers are, you know, they're one of those teams that
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: they trust the stuff, and in the postseason that's what
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: they did. They trusted the stuff. No one had any idea.
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: I think Anyon would be lying to you if they
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: told you they knew that this was going to go
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: that well for miz. But you learn a lot about
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: the kid walking into Dodger Stadium and commanding the ball
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: like he did in commanding the moment in that Game three.
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: He was incredible.
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: He was lights out until he kind of ran out
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: of gas a little bit there at the end. So look,
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: if you're trading Freddy, you're doing so because you have
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: a lot of confidence that this guy, even though it
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: was a very rocky regular season, that he showed you
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: things that Brandon Woodriff and Corban Byrn showed you in
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: twenty eighteen. It's like it's that method, that model sort
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: of all over again, of like, oh, yeah, no, this guy,
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: this guy's a dude. He can be at the front
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: of our rotation.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Joke in coming, but what about Ashby starting every game
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: next year?
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: Hey, he might be a starter. He could be a starter.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: They already tried that, I thought. Then they signed him
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: and then they made him relieve Remember he was a
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: starter at one point, but he couldn't throw enough strikes.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: That's why they stuck him in. They did sign him
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: to that deal, and then they're like, oh, wait, maybe we.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Shouldn't have done this. He's got a long term deal, right.
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: No, he does.
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, And there's also the shoulder injury. The shoulder surgery
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: kind of derailed that a little bit. So I could
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: see him wanting to start, right, wouldn't you, As you
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: got a couple of years left before he's going to
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: be a free agent again in a few years, that
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: would raise your value. And look, the dude's got what
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: like a nasty four or five pitch mix. And he's
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: proven he can start every day in the playoffs.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: What more do you want?
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: You know, I mean, next to you talk about it.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: If they've traded Freddy, which everyone kind of thinks is
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: gonna happen, they go Priester Gasser, miss Patrick, Patrick and
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: who Henderson. Yeah, but they better find some depth somewhere. Yeah.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Remember when they had too many starters and they It's
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: just crazy how a season goes where. I mean we
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: looked at them, We're like, damn, the Brewers actually have
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: a surplus.
• 35:38
  Speaker 8: And then and then they had gotten they had had
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: one point five starters in the playoffs.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: It was the point five Ashby pre sir, Oh yeah,
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: but he didn't even start. They started Ashby exactly.
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he could get you like two times.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Today at once and Ashby and who was the other one?
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: McGill start. McGill opened the game.
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: Quintana pitched Game four against the Dodgers, didn't go well.
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: So I'm going one point five starters and then some openers.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Chad Patrick had a pretty good season, but didn't have
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: enough confidence in him being a guy that could begetting
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: and then he gave.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Up the ball out of the stadium to show him
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: they realized they might have been right.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had good and bad.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Actually, him and priests are actually really good for him.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they both had what one like, really bad inning
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: and then the rest were pretty much good from what
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I remember. Yeah, it's getting to be a blur. But
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: all right, well, Kirk, you know, Kurt, we'll talk again, obviously.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: And great coverage of the postseason. Thanks for joining us. Man,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the condre, Kurt, Kurt, thanks man, All right,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: thanks guys,