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Nikki Westcott’s Pregnancy Reveal was a ‘Wild One’ · Outspoken the Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Nicky Westcott's
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Speaker 1: refreshing pregnancy reveal, Kayla Edsinas' surprising business empire, and the
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Speaker 1: Wild Ones poke fun at the Jackie Alexander, Gabby Sullivan feud.
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Speaker 1: But first, I'm coming to you with an update on
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Speaker 1: the biting pandemic at Molly May's daughter's daycare. So last
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Speaker 1: month we discussed how Molly May consulted ChatGPT for parenting
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Speaker 1: advice after she got a call from Bambi's daycare saying
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Speaker 1: she'd bitten another child. At the time, Molly was torn
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Speaker 1: about whether to take Bambi for their planned ice cream date. Now,
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Speaker 1: in Molly's recent YouTube, she provided an update on the situation,
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Speaker 1: sharing a clip of Bambi listing people she wanted to bite.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
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Speaker 2: I've got to bite someone.
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Speaker 3: Oh, no, no.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to bite your way. No, we don't use
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Speaker 2: our mouth to bite, do we? What do we use
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Speaker 2: our mouth for?
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Speaker 3: For food.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, for food, for eating.
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Speaker 3: We bite our food. Don't bite anyone.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 2: We bite Emily.
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 2: We bite this way.
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 2: No, I don't know why I'm laughing at that. We
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Speaker 2: bite croissants.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: We bite pasta.
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 2: We bite pizza.
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Speaker 1: Hats off to Molly. I think this was great parenting
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Speaker 1: from her because she really tried hard to discourage the behaviour.
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Speaker 1: At one point, she nearly lost it. I also loved
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Speaker 1: her pronunciation of croissant. We bite croissants. I wonder how
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Speaker 1: the parents of Emily and Dora are feeling watching Molly's vlog.
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Speaker 1: Are they like contemplating ripping the kids out of the
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Speaker 1: daycare centre? Or is this like Emily and Dora's payday?
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Speaker 1: Like Molly Mae's kid has bitten us. We are going
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Speaker 1: to sue. I mean, it's on record that she was
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Speaker 1: planning it. I think the comment section was almost as
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Speaker 1: funny as the clip of Bambi. So someone wrote underneath,
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Speaker 1: her listing the victims is sending me. And that comment
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Speaker 1: got over 235,000 likes. Someone else said, yeah, she defo
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Speaker 1: shouldn't have got the ice cream. And other people were
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Speaker 1: joking that Bambi's grandfather, John Fury, already had her in training.
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Speaker 1: So he, of course, is Tommy's boxing trainer. It is
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Speaker 1: crazy how quickly these snippets from Molly's YouTubes go up
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Speaker 1: on TikTok and suddenly gain like hundreds of thousands of lives.
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Speaker 1: There was one I saw the other day and it
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Speaker 1: was Molly outside a Tesco. So she'd arrived with Bambi
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Speaker 1: and the Tesco wasn't opened and it was her people watching.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, that was the saddest thing I've ever seen.
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Speaker 2: That was the saddest thing I've ever seen. He's not
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Speaker 2: even that old, but I've just seen an elderly man
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Speaker 2: go up to the door at Tesco and realise that
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Speaker 2: it's closed. And he literally just did this motion. Oh,
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Speaker 2: I'm watching him walk away with his head down.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 2: Well, I know the feeling, but oh, there's another one
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Speaker 2: walking up now. Doors closed, looking in. Oh, this is
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Speaker 2: pure heartbreak.
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Speaker 1: I could have watched her commentating that for hours. Like
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Speaker 1: it was hilarious. Like the thought of Molly May watching
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Speaker 1: these people. I wonder if she gets annoyed that people
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Speaker 1: make these edits of her YouTube video and then gain
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Speaker 1: all of the likes. I wonder if it will get
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Speaker 1: to a point where an influencer's manager will cut up
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Speaker 1: the clips that they know will go viral. In saying
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Speaker 1: that though, I think the clips go viral because people
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Speaker 1: just want to have a bitch about what the influencer
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Speaker 1: has done. So maybe they don't want that attention on them.
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Speaker 1: It's free promotion. It's like they're doing the advertising for her.
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Speaker 1: But TikTok's almost turned into Tattle Life where a clip
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Speaker 1: will go up and people will just go absolutely ham.
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Speaker 1: And often the influencer who's in the clip will see it.
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Speaker 5: Not putting too much pressure on it and, you know,
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Speaker 5: being completely vulnerable and honest at the fact that, yeah, fuck,
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Speaker 5: I am freaking out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I probably don't know what I'm doing. I've dodged every
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Speaker 5: nappy change in my life and I've got three nieces
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Speaker 5: and nephews.
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Speaker 1: Nikki Westcott has opened up about her pregnancy news. The
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Speaker 1: fashion label founder admitted on her podcast this week that
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Speaker 1: she's been left freaking out after falling pregnant by surprise.
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Speaker 1: I think this has to be one of the most
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Speaker 1: refreshing influencer pregnancy announcement stories I've listened to. Since Nikki
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Speaker 1: announced last week that she and her husband, Ollie Frost,
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Speaker 1: were pregnant with their first child, I have been desperate
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Speaker 1: to know more. Particularly because Nikki is a bit of
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Speaker 1: a party girl. I mean, she's known as one half
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Speaker 1: of the wild ones with her best friend, Lucy Jackson.
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Speaker 1: They've even named their podcast live to a party girl.
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Speaker 1: So when I saw the news, I was like, wow,
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Speaker 1: that is going to be a big lifestyle change. So
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Speaker 1: I presume that it must have been a planned pregnancy
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Speaker 1: because she got married last year. So when I saw
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Speaker 1: the podcast episode pop up and it teased Nikki would
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Speaker 1: explain how she told her husband, Ollie, and her best friend, Lucy,
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Speaker 1: I just expected your typical influencer story. I even imagined
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Speaker 1: the curated surprise video that would soon be posted on
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Speaker 1: social media. But that's not what we got instead. It
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Speaker 1: was this role reversal and Nikki was the one that
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Speaker 1: was taken by surprise. Yeah, so Nikki was actually at
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Speaker 1: the doctor for a pap smear and she mentioned to
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Speaker 1: the doctor that she was a day late for her period,
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Speaker 1: but she said it wasn't anything new because she'd been
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Speaker 1: having really a regular period since going off the pill.
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Speaker 1: And I think normally when you hear someone has gone
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Speaker 1: off the pill, you think they must have been trying
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Speaker 1: for a baby. But Nikki explained that her decision to
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Speaker 1: go off the pill was actually motivated by fellow influencer
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Speaker 1: M Davies. Apparently it took Em around a year to
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Speaker 1: get her period back after going off the pill. So
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Speaker 1: Nikki was worried that the same thing might happen to
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Speaker 1: her because she'd been on the pill for 16 years.
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Speaker 1: So she decided after a wedding, she'd give her body
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Speaker 1: a break from it. I mean, I did the exact
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Speaker 1: same thing. I was like, I was so worried about it.
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Speaker 1: Like it really gets into your head when you've been
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Speaker 1: on it for a long time. But there's so much
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Speaker 1: talk about the pill being bad for you as well. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And I suppose a lot of people go, oh, once
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Speaker 1: I'm married, like if I do fall pregnant, it might
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Speaker 1: not be planned, but I'm not going to freak out
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Speaker 1: as much about it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So after the pap smear, Nikki said that she spoke
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Speaker 1: to her doctor about wanting to freeze her eggs at
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Speaker 1: the end of the year once her cycle had settled down.
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Speaker 1: So the doctor said, well, we may as well run
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Speaker 1: some tests. And as a precaution, I'll get you to
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Speaker 1: do a pregnancy test. Let's listen to Nikki retell the
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Speaker 1: moment she found out she was pregnant.
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Speaker 5: She takes it. She goes, thank you. And she's like,
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Speaker 5: wait in the room. And then she comes back in
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Speaker 5: and she closes the door. And I just looked at
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Speaker 5: her and I was like, oh my God.
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Speaker 1: And she goes, okay, you're pregnant.
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Speaker 5: I can even imagine the way she said it. The blood,
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Speaker 5: just no joke, like rushed from my face. And I
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Speaker 5: was just like, sorry, what? She's like, yeah, you're pregnant.
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Speaker 1: God, listening to that, I felt the blood rush from
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Speaker 1: my own face. Like I could just imagine what that
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Speaker 1: moment would have been like. And she said she ended
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Speaker 1: up leaving the doctors in such a daze, so much
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Speaker 1: so that she actually left her scan referral forms at reception.
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Speaker 1: And on the way home, she called her husband, Ollie,
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Speaker 1: and said that she had news for him. And the
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Speaker 1: moment she came through the door, she burst into tears
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Speaker 1: and told him what had happened. I think a lot
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Speaker 1: of people might have been confused by this reaction because
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Speaker 1: you think, oh, well, they're married and They were talking
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Speaker 1: about potentially freezing their eggs. You know, they obviously want children,
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Speaker 1: but even when you have planned to have a baby,
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Speaker 1: like for example, when Dale, I decided, yes, we want
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Speaker 1: to have a baby. When I did that pregnancy test,
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Speaker 1: I was still freaked out. Like, oh my God, am
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Speaker 1: I actually ready for this? Like I completely have planned this.
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Speaker 1: Like this is the right timing we want. And still
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Speaker 1: you're just left with this really odd feeling because it
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Speaker 1: is such a huge responsibility. Yeah, well, I think it
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Speaker 1: was really brave for her to share all of this
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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of pressure on women to be
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Speaker 1: grateful when they fall pregnant, even if it's not something
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Speaker 1: that they've planned. I mean, again, with me, I was
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Speaker 1: open to falling pregnant. Like I wasn't on the pill anymore.
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Speaker 1: My partner and I were like, trying but not actively
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Speaker 1: trying and I knew you know you just know like
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Speaker 1: and I'd been feeling nauseous and I was like I've
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Speaker 1: got to go get the test like I and you
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Speaker 1: know I took the test by myself because I wanted
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Speaker 1: to do one of those surprises for my husband which
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Speaker 1: actually ended up going balls up anyway and I still
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Speaker 1: remember going to the supermarket and feeling like I was
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Speaker 1: like a teen mum buying the pregnancy test and having
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Speaker 1: to hide it from people and then just the shock
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Speaker 1: of like it was the first pregnancy test I've ever
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Speaker 1: opened and I'm like oh my god this is so
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Speaker 1: weird like I thought it was really funny because Nikki
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Speaker 1: referenced how she'd seen this really cool way that Laura
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Speaker 1: Henshaw had told Steph Clare Smith how she was pregnant,
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Speaker 1: but because her situation was so different, she didn't plan
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Speaker 1: anything like that. And I kind of love that she
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Speaker 1: didn't because one, it actually is so on brand for
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Speaker 1: Nikki to reveal her pregnancy in this way. Like they
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Speaker 1: even joked about it saying these stories just literally happened
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Speaker 1: for us for the podcast. Well, in terms of the
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Speaker 1: way she broke the news to Lucy, it was really
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Speaker 1: early on in her pregnancy. So She found out she
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Speaker 1: was pregnant at the doctor and she ended up having
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Speaker 1: to go back to work, but she didn't say anything
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Speaker 1: and she seemed really withdrawn. And Lucy was worried that
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Speaker 1: maybe something had gone wrong. She knew she was getting
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Speaker 1: a pap smear and she kind of left her. Over
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Speaker 1: the weekend, she was like, I'll leave her to it.
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Speaker 1: And Lucy said that Nikki was really quiet and she
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Speaker 1: was in this great mood because she'd hooked up with
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Speaker 1: this guy on the weekend and she drove up to
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Speaker 1: Nikki and Nikki jumped in her car and literally burst
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Speaker 1: out crying and And we're saying, oh, my God, something
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Speaker 1: terrible has happened. And Lucy was like, what? And then
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Speaker 1: when she told her she was pregnant, she's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: thank God. I thought your dog had died. I mean,
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Speaker 1: we can deal with this. Well, funnily enough, it turns
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Speaker 1: out that Lucy had a premonition about Nikki's pregnancy. So
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Speaker 1: they did an episode of Happy Hour where they brought
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Speaker 1: in a tarot reader. And based on the cards that
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Speaker 1: Nikki pulled out, she guessed Nikki was pregnant. And this
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Speaker 1: was before Nikki even knew that she was pregnant. How
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Speaker 1: about how Lucy said she was sitting on the toilet
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden she got this urge to
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Speaker 1: confront Nikki about being pregnant and she said she ran
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Speaker 1: off the toilet with her pants down saying, you're pregnant.
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Speaker 1: And again, Nikki was like, I'm not because she thought
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Speaker 1: she wasn't pregnant. Do you think Lucy and Nikki were
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Speaker 1: nervous about putting this episode out? out? Because anytime you
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Speaker 1: touch on pregnancy, it is a difficult topic because as
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Speaker 1: you said, you have to be so grateful that you've
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Speaker 1: fallen pregnant and they weren't really talking about it in
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Speaker 1: the way we're so used to hearing women celebrate their pregnancies. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's why it resonated with a lot of people because
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Speaker 1: everyone's pregnancy stories are different. And sadly, there are a
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Speaker 1: lot of people that struggle with their fertility. And it's
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Speaker 1: great now that we have platforms where people can share
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Speaker 1: those stories. And I think that we should have space
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Speaker 1: for other people to share their stories about, you know,
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Speaker 1: feeling a bit uneasy about the fact that you've had
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Speaker 1: an unplanned pregnancy and being brave enough to actually put
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Speaker 1: that out on the record. Because, I mean, it's so
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Speaker 1: difficult when you are pregnant and you second guess everything
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Speaker 1: you say if you have a platform like a podcast
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Speaker 1: or if you have a following because, you know, you're
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Speaker 1: worried that your child may hear this and get upset.
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Speaker 1: So I think it was really brave and she would
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Speaker 1: have helped a lot of people by sharing how she felt. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I feel like even the discussion around almost like
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Speaker 1: mourning your old life because you can tell that she's
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Speaker 1: freaking out because, as you said, she has this very
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Speaker 1: much party girl image. Having a baby is going to
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Speaker 1: change her life. a lot, whether she likes it or not.
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Speaker 1: So it kind of, you know, as someone who has
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Speaker 1: a baby now, I enjoyed listening to it because I
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Speaker 1: recall going through some of those thoughts like, fuck, what
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Speaker 1: am I going to do? Like, this is going to
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Speaker 1: be really different. And as you said, sometimes you just
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Speaker 1: want to hear the real discussions behind it. I think
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Speaker 1: one of the things that took me aback was finding
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Speaker 1: out just how far along Nikki is. So she's 20
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Speaker 1: weeks pregnant. She's due in February, which means that she's
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Speaker 1: going to be around 30 plus weeks pregnant at her
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Speaker 1: live shows. It's crazy how quickly other people's pregnancies go.
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Speaker 1: Like when you're not the person that's pregnant, you're like, wow,
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Speaker 1: that has really flown by. Yeah, I followed Beck Lomas
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Speaker 1: and she posted something about, oh, I'm giving birth in
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Speaker 1: eight weeks time. And I was like, what? You've only
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Speaker 1: just announced that you're pregnant, but when it's you. drags on.
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Speaker 4: And you're going to ask me what I make. I'm
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Speaker 4: not too comfortable saying what I make. No, that's fine.
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Speaker 1: Kayla Etzinas has given an insight into the depths of
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Speaker 1: her business empire. The fitness entrepreneur has long been touted
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Speaker 1: as one of Australia's richest influencers. And now we know why.
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Speaker 1: Funnily enough, this admission came during an interview on the
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Speaker 1: Get Ahead TikTok. For those not familiar with the account,
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Speaker 1: interviewers stop people on the street and ask them what
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Speaker 1: they do and how much money they make. Now, the
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Speaker 1: interviewer who spoke to Kayla really played up that he
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Speaker 1: didn't know who she was. I mean, it's fairly obvious
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Speaker 1: that he did. And she went along with it. Let's
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Speaker 1: take a listen to some of what she said. What
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Speaker 1: do you do?
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Speaker 5: How much do you make?
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Speaker 4: I am most known for the Sweat app, which is
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Speaker 4: a women's training app. I also have a dog app
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Speaker 4: called Dog It, which is a dog training app for dogs.
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Speaker 4: I have commercial real estate, things like petrol stations, medical centers,
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Speaker 4: residential stuff, and also getting into supplements as well. So
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Speaker 4: a lot of things.
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Speaker 1: Now, a lot of people in the comment section were
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Speaker 1: surprised that Kayla's empire was now so diversified. Were you surprised, Amy?
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Speaker 1: I actually wasn't because So For My Business has worked
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Speaker 1: with a company that was connected to Toby Pierce. And
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Speaker 1: I know he's got a lot of fingers in different
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Speaker 1: pies in terms of different businesses he works with. So
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Speaker 1: it doesn't surprise me that Kayla is also like that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, well, they haven't been together for a long time.
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Speaker 1: And I think the surprise from people comes from the
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Speaker 1: fact that Toby has always been kind of touted as
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Speaker 1: the brains behind the business. And there's this untrue rhetoric
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Speaker 1: that's been pushed that Kayla was just along for the
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Speaker 1: ride and the face of the company where it's clearly
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Speaker 1: not true. I think it also has a lot to
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Speaker 1: do with how Kayla has marketed herself until fairly recently,
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Speaker 1: because she's only just been doing podcast interviews on business podcasts.
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Speaker 1: And even then she still goes, Oh, I'm just a
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Speaker 1: personal trainer. Like that's my core business. No, you're actually
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Speaker 1: a businesswoman. I think it's only now that she's comfortable saying, yes,
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Speaker 1: I am a very successful businesswoman. Look at all of
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Speaker 1: these ventures I've got going. I think some of the
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Speaker 1: ventures would surprise people though, like the fact that she's
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Speaker 1: involved in commercial real estate because petrol stations and medical centers,
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Speaker 1: they don't sound that exciting compared to what she does
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Speaker 1: with sweat. Yeah, I think with fitness influencers, we expect
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Speaker 1: that they may get a supplement brand, which Kayla is
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Speaker 1: looking into, but active wear, a gym, like those sorts
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Speaker 1: of things we're not really expecting. But it just shows
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Speaker 1: that she's doing the right things with her money because,
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Speaker 1: I mean, we actually don't know how much she is worth.
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Speaker 1: She did rank at number 34 on the Australian Financial
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Speaker 1: Review's Young Rich List last year, just behind Margot Robbie,
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Speaker 1: with an estimated net worth of $ 165 million. But again,
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Speaker 1: those are just based on guesstimates. I think she would
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Speaker 1: be worth way more One thing I do like is
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Speaker 1: that Kayla didn't actually say how much she was worth
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Speaker 1: in this interview. She said she wasn't comfortable disclosing how
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Speaker 1: much she made. I love how those interviewers, they always
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Speaker 1: just happen to stumble across these extremely famous people. Oh,
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Speaker 1: what are you doing out walking, Kayla? Just as I've
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Speaker 1: got this shop perfectly set up to capture you.
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Speaker 3: I would be keeping that shit offline.
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Speaker 1: Lucy Jackson and Nikki Westcott have seemingly poked fun at
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Speaker 1: the feud between Jackie Alexander and Gabby Sullivan. Now, it's
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Speaker 1: not the first time the Wild Ones have commented on
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Speaker 1: the friendship bust up. At the start of the year,
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Speaker 1: they dropped on their podcast that two of their friends
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Speaker 1: had unfollowed each other after being competitive over their weddings.
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Speaker 1: This led to speculation that Jackie and Gabby's friendship was over.
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Speaker 1: which was confirmed last week. Now, Kate, can you tell
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Speaker 1: us more? So Lucy and Nikki uploaded this very amusing TikTok,
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Speaker 1: and in it they danced to Destiny's Child's Survivor with
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Speaker 1: text on the screen that said, the last standing best
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Speaker 1: friends on the internet. And they captioned the video, not
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Speaker 1: for the faint-hearted, hashtag no shade though, hashtag but for real. Now,
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Speaker 1: influencers were quick to comment. Katia Milan wrote, proud of
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Speaker 1: you guys, the OGs, while Indie Clinton added, you know,
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Speaker 1: I only found out last week you guys weren't twin sisters.
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Speaker 1: That comment got 1.5 thousand likes and Lucy replied, sorry, what?
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Speaker 1: And M Davies chimed in, ha ha ha ha ha.
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Speaker 1: Now a follower asked in the comments if they had
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Speaker 1: ever done a podcast about what is crucial for a
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Speaker 1: longstanding friendship and the girls replied, we just really like
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Speaker 1: each other. I can see why Indy Clinton might have
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Speaker 1: thought they were sisters because they do say it how
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Speaker 1: it is to each other. Yeah, they don't hold back.
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Speaker 1: They kind of look very similar too. Like when I
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Speaker 1: watched the TikTok, I was like, oh, okay, I can
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Speaker 1: see it. You know, dark hair, both very slim. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the fact that they have different last names kind of
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Speaker 1: gives it away. Well, they, you know, could be married
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Speaker 1: names that you never know. Now, Lucy backed up the
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Speaker 1: TikTok by sharing more of her thoughts on the topic.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to some of what she said.
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Speaker 3: Okay, guys, I have one thing to say. And that
16:44
Speaker 3: is if me and my best friend were having a
16:47
Speaker 3: falling out, let's say Nikki, for example, I would be
16:53
Speaker 3: keeping that shit offline because she knows so much about me,
17:00
Speaker 3: she could ruin my life in a matter of two seconds.
17:03
Speaker 5: Done.
17:03
Speaker 3: I'd be done.
17:05
Speaker 2: Exiled.
17:07
Speaker 3: And I also, like, love and respect her. So if
17:09
Speaker 3: we ever did have a falling out, I'd definitely, like,
17:11
Speaker 3: just be keeping it between her and I. But all
17:16
Speaker 3: of these public best friend falling outs and stuff, I'm
17:20
Speaker 3: just like, fuck, you guys are playing with fire. It's entertaining,
17:24
Speaker 3: I guess, for everyone else, for sure. But I would be.
17:29
Speaker 5: Fucking way too scared.
17:31
Speaker 1: This just made me think about our friendship, Amy, because
17:34
Speaker 1: we're best friends, you, me and Sophie. We're also sisters,
17:36
Speaker 1: so I feel like there's an added safety net there.
17:39
Speaker 1: But the fear I would have if we somehow had
17:42
Speaker 1: some massive falling out and never spoke to each other again,
17:45
Speaker 1: the dirt we have on each other, even from just
17:47
Speaker 1: a personal level. Yeah, like are you really best friends
17:50
Speaker 1: with somebody if you don't have information that could destroy
17:53
Speaker 1: their life, really?
17:54
Speaker 3: Yeah.
17:54
Speaker 1: So, I mean, people really are playing with fire. Now,
17:57
Speaker 1: M Davies weighed in on Lucy's post. She wrote, Some
18:00
Speaker 1: people need to take a leaf out of your book,
18:02
Speaker 1: I reckon, CISO. It was quite interesting because someone added
18:06
Speaker 1: a comment saying that public friendship feuds are now just
18:08
Speaker 1: the norm. And rather than talking privately with friends about
18:11
Speaker 1: the fallout, people are now seeking validation online from strangers.
18:16
Speaker 1: And Lucy ended up responding to that comment with another TikTok.
18:19
Speaker 1: And in the video, she conceded that influencers know what
18:22
Speaker 1: they're doing when they publicize friendship bust-ups. Let's take a
18:25
Speaker 1: listen to some of what she said.
18:27
Speaker 3: People know that if they go online and share this stuff,
18:30
Speaker 3: especially where there's another person involved that is in the
18:33
Speaker 3: content community, you're going to gain a lot of traction.
18:38
Speaker 1: Lucy then admitted that she thinks it's a content strategy
18:40
Speaker 1: based on giving people what they want. Here's more of
18:43
Speaker 1: what she said. The world we live.
18:45
Speaker 3: In now, realistically, like the more that you share, and
18:50
Speaker 3: especially when it's traumatic, like it's negative, like it's hardships, breakups,
18:56
Speaker 3: friendship falling out, financial dramas, like those are the kinds
19:01
Speaker 3: of things that you guys as the viewers and the
19:05
Speaker 3: listeners and as the followers or like the subscribers or
19:10
Speaker 3: whatever want to see and you want.
19:11
Speaker 5: To hear about that stuff.
19:13
Speaker 1: She then went on to say she understands why people
19:15
Speaker 1: talk about it online. but she just personally couldn't do it.
19:18
Speaker 1: She's got such a good point because it's like all
19:20
Speaker 1: those American hype houses in the US. They create all
19:23
Speaker 1: this fake drama in order to get new followers. Oh,
19:26
Speaker 1: I think we're seeing it in Australia very much so
19:29
Speaker 1: as well. Like it's not just American thing anymore. Everyone
19:32
Speaker 1: knows to stay relevant online, you need to have drama
19:36
Speaker 1: around you. I mean, look at Australia's biggest influencer, Tammy Hembrough.
19:39
Speaker 1: Her life has been a series of dramatic events that
19:42
Speaker 1: people love following along at home. And influencers are taking
19:47
Speaker 1: note and they know that that's what we're interested in.
19:49
Speaker 1: I mean, on our subs episode, we were talking about
19:51
Speaker 1: how Katia Milan was saying that she's sick of having
19:54
Speaker 1: to try and perform and work with TikTok's algorithm. And
19:58
Speaker 1: when it comes to content creation, she said that she
20:00
Speaker 1: just likes sharing her life organically online. She had the
20:03
Speaker 1: best opportunity to get eyeballs on her content when she
20:06
Speaker 1: had a friendship bust up with her podcast co-host and
20:09
Speaker 1: former best friend Ashton Wood. She needed to take the
20:11
Speaker 1: opportunity with both hands. Early on when we released our podcast,
20:15
Speaker 1: we had beef with another podcast. I remember we were
20:17
Speaker 1: freaking out being like, I just don't want to be
20:19
Speaker 1: involved in this. And our younger cousin was like, no,
20:22
Speaker 1: this is the best thing ever. This is what happens.
20:24
Speaker 1: People have beef and then they find your podcast and
20:26
Speaker 1: then they're going to like it. I mean, obviously our
20:29
Speaker 1: podcast was small at the time and that is a
20:31
Speaker 1: way to generate eyeballs towards you. But it is interesting
20:35
Speaker 1: when there's two influencers say, Jackie Alexander and Gabby Sullivan,
20:38
Speaker 1: who have an equal kind of standing in the influencer space.
20:41
Speaker 1: They've got a similar amount of followers on Instagram and TikTok. And,
20:45
Speaker 1: you know, you look at them and you're like, oh, well,
20:46
Speaker 1: they don't really need the extra followers, but they do
20:50
Speaker 1: need the engagement because they're now competing with these algorithms.
20:53
Speaker 1: And in order to get your content viewed, you have
20:56
Speaker 1: to have a lot of comments on videos. You have
20:57
Speaker 1: to have a lot of likes, a lot of send-ons.
20:59
Speaker 1: I mean, you can see it. Jackie Alexander made that
21:02
Speaker 1: TikTok where she threw shade at Gabby Sullivan. That got
21:05
Speaker 1: everyone talking. Gabby Sullivan's gone back and done her own one.
21:08
Speaker 1: And then every video that Jackie has subsequently shared, people
21:11
Speaker 1: are like, give us the tea. We want to know more.
21:13
Speaker 1: You know, you stoke the flames and you build that
21:15
Speaker 1: interest in what's going on in your life. When I
21:18
Speaker 1: was watching Lucy's video, I was thinking to myself, is
21:21
Speaker 1: she going to address the elephant in the room? Because
21:23
Speaker 1: she called out her ex-boyfriend publicly on TikTok for cheating
21:27
Speaker 1: on her. Well, it was kind of two elephants in
21:29
Speaker 1: the room because she also had a friendship fall out
21:31
Speaker 1: with fellow influencer Lily Browne. Yes, they weren't best friends,
21:34
Speaker 1: but they were in a friendship circle together. And I'm glad.
21:38
Speaker 1: Hats off to her. She explained in terms of the
21:40
Speaker 1: ex that she's an oversharer. And in that situation, she
21:44
Speaker 1: decided that she was going to use it as content
21:46
Speaker 1: because she knew that they were never getting back together.
21:49
Speaker 1: And she also revealed that it ended up working very
21:52
Speaker 1: well as a content piece because her breakup episode is
21:55
Speaker 1: still her and Nikki's highest downloaded episode by a mile,
21:59
Speaker 1: she said. In terms of her friendship breakdown with Lily Brown,
22:02
Speaker 1: this is what she said.
22:03
Speaker 3: I've had a falling out with a friend online. You know,
22:06
Speaker 3: Nikki and I had a falling out with Lil a
22:08
Speaker 3: few years ago. And like Nikki and I made a very,
22:12
Speaker 3: very strong decision that we weren't going to speak about that.
22:15
Speaker 3: And if we were, it was going to be only
22:17
Speaker 3: very matter of fact. And just pretty much we were
22:20
Speaker 3: never going to go on and say nasty things about
22:23
Speaker 3: our old friend. And thank gosh, because now years down
22:27
Speaker 3: the track, it's less left space for us to you know,
22:30
Speaker 3: reconcile and still be really friendly. And now it's so
22:33
Speaker 3: nice because we get to be at the same places
22:35
Speaker 3: and still, you know, love seeing her, happy days.
22:38
Speaker 1: It's not like burnt bridges, burnt bridges, burnt bridges, burnt bridges.
22:42
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
22:43
Speaker 3: I don't know. It is a weird time, guys. It's
22:46
Speaker 3: very Black Mirror. Sometimes, like, I think the world of
22:50
Speaker 3: social media and content creation can kind of be a
22:53
Speaker 3: little bit like reality TV, how there's, like, producers who
22:57
Speaker 3: go in and, like, I don't think there's fake drama
23:00
Speaker 3: per se. Like I don't think there's anything that isn't
23:02
Speaker 3: actually factual drama, but I think there's a lot of
23:06
Speaker 3: things that then become bigger dramas because it gains views
23:10
Speaker 3: and traction and.
23:11
Speaker 1: Follows and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's interesting that
23:14
Speaker 1: they're putting this content out there now because I thought
23:16
Speaker 1: that they were both friends with Jackie and Gabby. Yeah,
23:18
Speaker 1: I was wondering how deep their friendship was because I've
23:21
Speaker 1: seen it bandied around, oh, you know, they're friends. I
23:24
Speaker 1: did some research and I know that Jackie appeared on
23:26
Speaker 1: an episode of the Happy Hour podcast back in 2020
23:29
Speaker 1: and I listened to a little bit of it and
23:30
Speaker 1: it seemed like they were kind of friends in the
23:32
Speaker 1: sense of they've been to events together, they know of
23:35
Speaker 1: each other, they follow each other. But I don't think
23:37
Speaker 1: it's that deep. Let's get into our Friday debrief. And Amy,
23:41
Speaker 1: we are in late September, which means it's officially time
23:44
Speaker 1: to start celebrating Christmas. Cotton On's Christmas campaign has been
23:48
Speaker 1: out for a couple of weeks now. I can't believe
23:50
Speaker 1: we didn't even talk about it. Martha Kalafatidis' family are
23:52
Speaker 1: the face of it this year. Yeah, because last year
23:54
Speaker 1: it was Indy Clinton and her family. I actually liked
23:57
Speaker 1: Indy's range better. Like we bought them, we rushed out.
23:59
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of them this year. I
24:01
Speaker 1: just don't think you can start celebrating Christmas until Halloween's over.
24:04
Speaker 1: And I've been trying to encourage you and Sophie to
24:07
Speaker 1: go and get your Halloween costumes organized because I want
24:09
Speaker 1: to have a small party here. Look, I'm not going
24:10
Speaker 1: to put my tree up until November, but I am
24:12
Speaker 1: going to get excited about it. And I've already started
24:14
Speaker 1: planning Jack's December 1st box. I thought you were the
24:17
Speaker 1: biggest saddo last year making this box and you were
24:20
Speaker 1: part of some Facebook group with all these mums talking
24:23
Speaker 1: about Christmas. That's the best group. Yeah, I did join it.
24:26
Speaker 1: But now I'm totally into it. I'm trying to think,
24:28
Speaker 1: what am I going to put in Harry's box? It's
24:30
Speaker 1: so much fun. And something arrived for the box that
24:32
Speaker 1: I was so excited about. So our parents always read
24:36
Speaker 1: us this particular Night Before Christmas book. And it's so cute.
24:39
Speaker 1: It's like a lift the flap book. And at the end,
24:41
Speaker 1: it has a pop-up of Santa in his sleigh with
24:44
Speaker 1: all of the reindeers. And I had to search far
24:46
Speaker 1: and wide online for this. Someone was selling the book
24:49
Speaker 1: for $ 500 and I was like, I am not paying $ 500.
24:53
Speaker 1: I then found it on eBay for like seven US dollars. Anyway,
24:56
Speaker 1: after all the conversions and postage, it cost me like $ 38.
24:59
Speaker 1: It took four weeks to get here. When it arrived,
25:03
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my God, I'm so excited. But
25:05
Speaker 1: I was nervous because it said like in good condition.
25:07
Speaker 1: I mean, this book is 30 years old and I
25:09
Speaker 1: was flipping through the pages and I was so smug.
25:12
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my God, the lift, the flaps
25:14
Speaker 1: are perfect mint condition. I got to the last page
25:17
Speaker 1: and opened it no pop-up it's just been completely ripped
25:21
Speaker 1: out you sent me this snapchat it was just like
25:23
Speaker 1: two empty white pages like this is arguably the best
25:26
Speaker 1: part of the book this is the whole storyline is
25:29
Speaker 1: building up to this pop-up of santa's sleigh and it's
25:32
Speaker 1: just gone like i would have complained have you messaged
25:35
Speaker 1: the person on ebay no i haven't yet but i
25:38
Speaker 1: thought maybe some outspoken listeners could help me because i'm
25:41
Speaker 1: like i'm just gonna add my own pop-up at the
25:44
Speaker 1: end page shit We need to take a photo and
25:46
Speaker 1: put it on Instagram, what the actual pop-up should look like,
25:49
Speaker 1: because this is the most disappointing thing ever. Yeah. Talking
25:52
Speaker 1: about Christmas books, this is a recommendation for parents as
25:55
Speaker 1: well as big kids at heart, because before I had Harry,
25:58
Speaker 1: I actually bought a book from the comedians behind Auntie Donna.
26:02
Speaker 1: So they've got a book called Always Room for Christmas Pud,
26:05
Speaker 1: and it was after that viral video they did of
26:07
Speaker 1: them eating Christmas pudding and vomiting. It is The best book.
26:11
Speaker 1: I find myself reading it every night to Harry. I
26:13
Speaker 1: don't have it. Oh, it's so beautifully illustrated. I have
26:17
Speaker 1: a Christmas put. Oh, maybe a little bit of put then.
26:22
Speaker 1: I'm coming to you with a recommendation this Friday, and
26:24
Speaker 1: it is to watch Sophie Jane Miller's Hindu retreat vlog.
26:29
Speaker 1: This is the craziest thing that's.
26:31
Speaker 4: Happened to me.
26:33
Speaker 1: So she is a Brisbane influencer, and Amy, I think... Sophie,
26:37
Speaker 1: along with her friends, Rachel and Georgia, are your number
26:41
Speaker 1: one influencers to follow up with. You love their vlogs.
26:43
Speaker 1: They're my relaxing people to watch. Your comfort YouTubers. Yes,
26:46
Speaker 1: my comfort YouTubers. That's a great term. They definitely are.
26:50
Speaker 1: And I enjoyed every minute of this 27-minute vlog. So
26:53
Speaker 1: Sophie obviously took viewers along for her hen's party and
26:57
Speaker 1: her friends went above and beyond. Oh, they pulled their
26:59
Speaker 1: fingers out, didn't they? They were away for like two
27:02
Speaker 1: nights at this absolutely incredible place accommodation. There was like
27:06
Speaker 1: a pool, a sauna, a gym. And the theme was
27:09
Speaker 1: a brand event. Well, it was called Tripping with Soph
27:11
Speaker 1: and Georgia Richards and her dad made all of the merch,
27:15
Speaker 1: the t-shirts. They even branded up water bottles. I loved
27:18
Speaker 1: the logo. It was really cool. Well, Sophie's friend, Rachel,
27:21
Speaker 1: she was a real MVP on this trip because her
27:24
Speaker 1: and Sophie's manager, Lang, they did all the groundwork, putting
27:27
Speaker 1: most of the stuff together. Like it was absolutely incredible.
27:30
Speaker 1: They even had cameras that had specific decals on them
27:34
Speaker 1: that had tripping with soap. Like they had to peel
27:36
Speaker 1: it off. They had to individually cut out all these stickers.
27:39
Speaker 1: Thank God they had one of those cricket machines. Well,
27:41
Speaker 1: not to mention the fact that they obviously set up
27:43
Speaker 1: a lot of brand deals because everyone on the trip
27:46
Speaker 1: got new Lululemons. And Sophie's recently been working with the brand.
27:49
Speaker 1: It was pretty clever because the whole thing really was
27:51
Speaker 1: like an influencer event. They had yoga in the morning.
27:54
Speaker 1: They had all these different events on at the hens
27:58
Speaker 1: do that required them to be wearing different clothing. And
28:00
Speaker 1: I wonder if we're going to see more of this
28:02
Speaker 1: where brands just piggyback on the back of people's hens parties.
28:05
Speaker 1: It did make it feel a lot more organic. I mean,
28:07
Speaker 1: it would be interesting to know how they actually use
28:10
Speaker 1: the partnership money. Like does Sophie get paid it or
28:13
Speaker 1: did they put the money towards the trip? I think
28:16
Speaker 1: it was gifted stuff. I think it was all gifted.
28:18
Speaker 1: My favorite part of the vlog though was when Sophie
28:20
Speaker 1: gave viewers a bit of a reality check and basically said,
28:23
Speaker 1: She got a bit of IBS at the end of
28:25
Speaker 1: the night. And I like that she shared that because
28:29
Speaker 1: it kind of made it a bit more real because
28:31
Speaker 1: everything was so glamorous. It made me feel nostalgic watching
28:35
Speaker 1: it back because my hens party was nearly three years
28:37
Speaker 1: ago now, if you can believe that. It just made
28:40
Speaker 1: me wish I'd gone away. Soph and I were both saying, oh,
28:42
Speaker 1: we wish we'd gone away for our hens rather than
28:44
Speaker 1: just doing a one night thing. Well, I went away
28:46
Speaker 1: for mine and it was really good. And I think
28:47
Speaker 1: that's why you guys were like, oh, we feel like
28:49
Speaker 1: we're asking too much of people. But Everyone wants an
28:52
Speaker 1: excuse to go on a girl's trip. Well, after seeing
28:54
Speaker 1: this vlog, I was like, wow, we really weren't asking
28:56
Speaker 1: that much of our friends to come along for one
28:59
Speaker 1: night somewhere.
28:59
Speaker 4: Yeah.
29:00
Speaker 1: All I just wanted to know was like, how much
29:02
Speaker 1: should everyone chip in? Because that house was incredible. Well,
29:06
Speaker 1: that could have been sponsored too. Lang, if you are
29:07
Speaker 1: listening to the podcast, this is the girls manager. Let
29:10
Speaker 1: us know. We're very nosy. Also, I just wonder how
29:13
Speaker 1: it works because as we said, Sophie Jane Miller already
29:16
Speaker 1: has a longstanding partnership with Lululemon. So her manager and
29:20
Speaker 1: her friends going, oh, can you give us some free
29:22
Speaker 1: Align tights to wear on the trip? And then Sophie's
29:26
Speaker 1: going to feature them in her vlog. Does Sophie then
29:28
Speaker 1: be like, well, usually I'd get a bit of a
29:29
Speaker 1: kickback for that or is she just happy to go?
29:31
Speaker 1: Like I just wonder how that all works. Yeah. Well,
29:34
Speaker 1: I think because it's a longstanding partnership, it works in
29:36
Speaker 1: everyone's favor. Yeah. Well, that is where we're going to
29:39
Speaker 1: leave things today. If you do want to hear more
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29:58
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30:02
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30:16
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30:18
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30:19
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