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DoorDash Driver Kidnap, Rape; Suspect Shoots at Family · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
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Speaker 2: How many times have you or someone in your family
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Speaker 2: ordered Uber Eats or a grub hub or a door dash,
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Speaker 2: especially during COVID. It was a habit that seemed to
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Speaker 2: be well now ingrained in the way many people live.
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Speaker 3: But what about the drivers.
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Speaker 2: Today we bring you the true life story of a
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Speaker 2: young door dash woman who was brutally kidnapped, sex assaulted,
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Speaker 2: and then when her family tried to save her, the
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Speaker 2: perp open fire, opens fire on her family. I'm Nancy Greece.
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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 2: at Fox Station and Sirius x sem one eleven.
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Speaker 3: First of all, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 4: It happened around eleven Tuesday night. A woman in her
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Speaker 4: early twenties was walking up to the Residence Inn near
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Speaker 4: International Plaza to make a door dash delivery. That's when
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Speaker 4: a man approached her with a gun and demanded cash.
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Speaker 5: When she couldnt produce the cash, the suspect pushed that
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Speaker 5: victim back into her vehicle.
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Speaker 4: He made her drive to the Belerra Lakes apartments on
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Speaker 4: Waterford Avenue, about six and a half miles away from
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Speaker 4: the hotel, where he.
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Speaker 2: Sexually assaulted her number one first thing, Never get in
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Speaker 2: the car. Never get in the car. You think it's
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Speaker 2: bad outside the car, it gets worse inside the car,
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Speaker 2: and statistics bear that out.
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Speaker 3: First of all.
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Speaker 2: Joining us doctor Jeff Kalichewski, forensic psychologist, author of Dark Sides,
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Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff Kalichewski, Agree or disagree? What Once you're in
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Speaker 2: the car, you are totally under their control. A person
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Speaker 2: that's already pulled a gun on you, a person that's
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Speaker 2: already threatened you, robbed you. What do you think is
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Speaker 2: going to happen in the car?
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Speaker 3: Nothing good?
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Speaker 2: You're very likely going to be sex assaulted and then martyred.
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Speaker 6: You're absolutely right, Nancy, Never get in the car. A
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Speaker 6: person like those who abducts others, has an intent for
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Speaker 6: sexual assault. That is sort of the first step of
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Speaker 6: their crime. They get you into the car.
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm thinking about it.
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Speaker 2: Matthew Mangino also joining us in addition to doctor Jeff Kalichewski.
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Speaker 2: Matthew Mangino, high profile lawyer author of the Executioner's Toll,
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Speaker 2: The Crimes, Arrests, Trials, Appeals, Last Meals, Final Words and
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Speaker 2: executions of forty six persons in the us. You had
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Speaker 2: me at last meal, Matthew Mangino. But jumping off of
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Speaker 2: what doctor Jeff has just said, once you're the car,
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Speaker 2: it's over, you might as well sign your own death warrant.
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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean, there's no question that once you
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Speaker 7: get into the vehicle, you're under the complete control of
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Speaker 7: the perpetrator. At that point, obviously you're faced with someone
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Speaker 7: who's pointing a gun at you, who's trying to push you.
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Speaker 8: Into the car.
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Speaker 7: It's not easy to make that decision. Well, you know
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Speaker 7: I'm going to run? Is he going to shoot me?
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Speaker 7: You know, you're hoping that maybe if I cooperate, this
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Speaker 7: person isn't going to harm me. But that's an unrealistic
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Speaker 7: hope because ultimately, once you're in that vehicle, chances are
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Speaker 7: you may never get out alive.
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Speaker 2: Very strong chances. Matthew Minjino, you're absolutely correct. But following
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Speaker 2: up on that with me former police chief and former
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Speaker 2: sheriff also served US Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board, now
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Speaker 2: private investigator and Dan Coursantino dot com.
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Speaker 3: Dan, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: But when I hear what Matthew Mangino is saying, and
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Speaker 2: I have dealt with so many victims someone like this
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Speaker 2: that survived a kidnapp and a rape and brutal torture.
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Speaker 2: They tell me that at the moment when they were
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Speaker 2: forced into the car or in some cases into the
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Speaker 2: car trunk, they couldn't think straight. They didn't realize it's
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Speaker 2: an option to run, it's an option to fight back,
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Speaker 2: because you know, you watch the movies, there's always a
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Speaker 2: struggle that ensues and then the gun goes off and
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Speaker 2: somebody ends up dead. So all of that is playing
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Speaker 2: in the back of these victims head heads. When they're
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Speaker 2: forced into trunks and cars. They don't realize they can
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Speaker 2: try to get away. They don't have to get into
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Speaker 2: the car. It will be worse once you get into
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Speaker 2: the car.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, And as other two gentlemen just stated, most of
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Speaker 9: these individuals, it's an unsuspecting situation. The last thing they
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Speaker 9: expect is to be assaulted or attacked, and they're really
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Speaker 9: not a where the surroundings. They're pretty much focused on
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Speaker 9: whatever they're doing at the time. To that end, the
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Speaker 9: mindset is want of being clouded and not thinking straight
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Speaker 9: where they can give a proactive response, whether it's fight, run,
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Speaker 9: or in a sense, try and reach a point of safety.
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Speaker 2: A beautiful young door dash delivery person. It starts with
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Speaker 2: a kidnap, a gun stuck in her face, and then
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Speaker 2: she's forced into a car, and then matters get much
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Speaker 2: much worse. Joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
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Speaker 2: Alexis Tereschuk.
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Speaker 3: Where did this happen?
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Speaker 2: Is it in a rural area outside of Tampa? Is
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Speaker 2: it in a suburban area? Is it in downtown Tampa?
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Speaker 2: What do you know, Alexis Toeschuk, is.
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Speaker 10: An area near the Tampa Airport, so the Tampa International Airport.
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Speaker 10: So not a rural area, not a suburban area, but
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Speaker 10: by the airport, not downtown Tampa, but out by the airport.
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Speaker 10: So she was making a delivery at the residen's end.
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Speaker 10: So that's a hotel, you know, but a residence, and
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Speaker 10: people could be staying there for a lot longer. They
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Speaker 10: could be people not that are just in town, you know,
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Speaker 10: waiting for their flight, but that lived there for a while.
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Speaker 10: So it's a busy area, you know, travelers in and out.
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Speaker 10: Tampa International Airport is one of the largest in the
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Speaker 10: whole country. So it's about eleven o'clock at night. She's
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Speaker 10: walking into the hotel Okay.
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Speaker 2: Wait right there, right there, Elysis Tereschuk walking around at
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Speaker 2: eleven o'clock at night.
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Speaker 3: You know what I.
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Speaker 2: Don't like, Alexis is when the victim is blamed. Oh,
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Speaker 2: it's her fault. She was walking around at eleven o'clock
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Speaker 2: at night. No, that's not correct. She was walking around
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Speaker 2: at eleven o'clock at night. Not that it matters, but she.
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Speaker 3: Was doing her job.
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Speaker 2: You know how many times have we covered cases where
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Speaker 2: you know, let's look at Molly Tibbetts, the young university
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Speaker 2: student who was out jogging and she.
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Speaker 3: Started her job.
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Speaker 2: It was still daylight outside and she tried to get
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Speaker 2: away from her attacker.
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Speaker 3: She confronted her attacker.
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Speaker 2: She ended up dead, but she has been attacked for
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Speaker 2: being out jogging alone. And then there is Karina, remember Karina,
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Speaker 2: the Long Island jogger. She's attacked because she's beautiful, she's
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Speaker 2: wearing a jogging outfit. It seems like no matter what
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Speaker 2: the woman does, it's somehow their fault.
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Speaker 10: And this is the thing. She was at work. She
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Speaker 10: was working. Now, whether this was the beginning of the shift,
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Speaker 10: her shift, at the end of the shift, she was
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Speaker 10: doing her job. She's looking at the hotel. This wasn't
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Speaker 10: a deserted street you way out in a rural area
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Speaker 10: that she didn't wasn't lit. It was a hotel.
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Speaker 2: Hey, you know what that reminds me of Alexis trust
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Speaker 2: I was talking about Karina Karinavitronto, of course, the Long
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Speaker 2: Island jogger.
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Speaker 3: She has been called.
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Speaker 2: She has been attacked for being beautiful. Have you ever
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Speaker 2: seen her picture? Well, of course you have, because we
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Speaker 2: covered it together. She looks like a runway model. She's
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Speaker 2: attacked for wearing jogging tights and a sports bra. She
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Speaker 2: said that somehow that's wrong. She's attacked for having earbuds
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Speaker 2: in her ears, which is not safe. But somehow people
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Speaker 2: seem to make it her fault that she was attacked,
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Speaker 2: which she was wearing earbuds, that they're the culprit, not
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Speaker 2: the killer.
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Speaker 10: As if Karina should have been owned only in like
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Speaker 10: gray baggy featpants and a long baggy sweatshirt, as if
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Speaker 10: her clothes were the reason why right.
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Speaker 2: Jogging along with a nun, a priest and a virgin
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Speaker 2: beside her chain to them.
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Speaker 3: To protect her. Somehow, that's what it turned into, and
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Speaker 3: that's what's happening in this case.
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Speaker 2: In this case, the victim who we are not naming,
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Speaker 2: this young twenty something year old door dash woman. You
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Speaker 2: think she wants to be out delivering food at eleven PM?
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Speaker 3: I doubt that very highly, Alexis Terraschuk.
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Speaker 10: You had a job to do. She's a responsible young
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Speaker 10: woman in her twenties. She was doing her job. She
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Speaker 10: was taking a delivery to a hotel, a hotel well
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Speaker 10: lit as exactly.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Amber O'Malley is joining us. You may not know her
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Speaker 2: name yet, but you will. A forensic nurse examiner expert
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Speaker 2: on sex abuse and assault. She has testified many many
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Speaker 2: times as a nurse expert witness on the stand.
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Speaker 3: Nurse O'Malley, thank you so much for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Have you noticed with all all of the women that
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Speaker 2: you have helped as being a rape kit nurse and
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Speaker 2: a sex assault expert, they feel like it was their faults.
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Speaker 11: I see this every day and there's a lot of
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Speaker 11: victim blaming and then there's a lot of self guilt
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Speaker 11: and self shame, and unfortunately this causes women to delay
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Speaker 11: the recording. In some cases, they choose not to report
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Speaker 11: to law enforcement because of the overarching shame and humiliation.
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Speaker 11: Going through that legal process can be very difficult for them,
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Speaker 11: and they just they don't want to have to tell
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Speaker 11: people what happened. They have to repeat their their assault
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Speaker 11: story multiple times. It's just easier to go to bed
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Speaker 11: and sleep it off and for kind like it never happened,
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Speaker 11: which is actually very psychologically damaging in the long One.
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Speaker 2: Legal nurse expert witness Amber O'Malley, I want to tell
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Speaker 2: you about a case that I helped with. In this case,
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Speaker 2: the chief victim was a kind of pre k teacher,
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Speaker 2: Julie Love. She went jogging, she was abducted, She was
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Speaker 2: never seen again. The case went cold. It was many, many,
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Speaker 2: many months later that some of her remains, including a
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Speaker 2: glass eye. Most people didn't even know she had a
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Speaker 2: glass eye.
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Speaker 3: She's a very.
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Speaker 2: Young woman, was found near dumpster and that unfolded a
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Speaker 2: chain of events that led to the capture of Emmanuel
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Speaker 2: Haven's long story short, as it turned out, he had
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Speaker 2: many many rape and aggravated assault victims. And I remember
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Speaker 2: one woman in her culture, it was a dishonor to
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Speaker 2: have been raped. She was kidnapped a gunpoint, beaten, brutally
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Speaker 2: thrown in a trunk and then raped some more.
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Speaker 3: It's a miracle that she lived.
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Speaker 2: She never told her family, she never told her husband
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Speaker 2: because in her culture, again that was a shame for
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Speaker 2: her personal shame. And I remember sitting in the courtroom
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Speaker 2: she took the stand. I was wondering, she's under oath,
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Speaker 2: if she would under oath tell the jury that she
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Speaker 2: was raped.
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Speaker 3: Her husband was in the courtroom. She never told the
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Speaker 3: part about the rape never.
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Speaker 2: I mean I knew, because I knew there was DNA
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Speaker 2: matching back up to mangle Hammond's I knew she made
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Speaker 2: an idea of him, but of course the defense didn't
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Speaker 2: ask about it because they didn't want the jury to
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Speaker 2: know he also raped her, so no one ever knew.
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Speaker 2: It's that ingrained in people and were in women, that
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Speaker 2: it's somehow your fault.
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Speaker 11: Yes, I think we'd come a long way from an
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Speaker 11: awareness perspective sort of stomping out that taboo of what
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Speaker 11: sexual still is.
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Speaker 5: Uh.
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Speaker 11: You know you've had the knee too movement and in
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Speaker 11: scenes of that nature that have helped, but it's it's
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Speaker 11: just something we really are still working on.
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Speaker 2: UH.
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Speaker 11: And my personal work as a nurse, when I'm able
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Speaker 11: to sit down with a woman who has been sexually assaulted.
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Speaker 11: I'm able to I'm able to really communicate with her,
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Speaker 11: you know, to take away that shame and guilt in
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Speaker 11: order to get her to make an informed decision, to
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Speaker 11: make a report, or to get some counseling, or to
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Speaker 11: you know, let me perform a medical forensic exam.
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Speaker 2: Hold on right there, Amber, Amali, you have all people
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Speaker 2: kind of airbrush driver.
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Speaker 3: A forensic exam.
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Speaker 2: What that is is a pelvic exam where you have
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Speaker 2: your vagina and your rectum, your anal cavity completely swabbed
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Speaker 2: looking for DNA, spar anything that can be found to
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Speaker 2: connect back to a defendant. Your pubic hair is combed
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Speaker 2: to see if there's any pubic hair from the defendant
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Speaker 2: there or any other trace evidence.
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Speaker 3: It ain't pretty. Nobody wants to do that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, many women risk a non diagnosis rather than
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Speaker 2: go get a pelvic exam. Hey, you know, Amber, when
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Speaker 2: I just recall this happening recently, was with Eliza Fletcher.
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Speaker 3: Remember that beautiful young.
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Speaker 2: Mom I think of either two or three children in Memphis.
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Speaker 2: She would go jogging really early in the morning, at
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Speaker 2: like four o'clock so she could get back in time,
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Speaker 2: take a shower, and give her children breakfast and then
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Speaker 2: go to teach.
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Speaker 3: She was assailed like nobody's business.
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Speaker 2: She's dead, but yet people couldn't help themselves attack air.
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Speaker 3: Why is she running at four o'clock? Well, because she
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Speaker 3: started day starts.
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Speaker 2: With children at six am. I was so infuriated that
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Speaker 2: somehow it became about her jogging at four a m.
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Speaker 2: As opposed to the repeat offender that murdered her. So
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Speaker 2: it's still ongoing, and I'm so grateful you talk to
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Speaker 2: sex assault victims, rape victims, sodomy victims and explain to
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Speaker 2: them this has nothing to do with anything you did
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Speaker 2: or war, or how you look or where you were.
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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, though, Dan Corsantino, former police chief and sheriff,
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Speaker 2: we know that crimes on women happen at certain times
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Speaker 2: of the day or night and in certain locations, so
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Speaker 2: it behooves people to avoid those times and locations.
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Speaker 3: That said, it is so not the victim's fault in.
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Speaker 9: This case, well, absolutely Rarefully, if any time is the
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Speaker 9: victim's fault fault you were.
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Speaker 2: Just hearing from our friends at Fox thirteen. Now take
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Speaker 2: a listen to Sergeant.
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Speaker 3: Andrea Hughes on Tampa Peedey.
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Speaker 5: We are currently investigating, actively investigating a kidnapping and sexual
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Speaker 5: battery that occurred on Tuesday evening around eleven pm. Around
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Speaker 5: eleven pm, our victim, a female in her early twenties,
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Speaker 5: was delivering her door dash to the residence in off
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Speaker 5: a boy scout when unknown male took the time to
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Speaker 5: approach her as a crime of opportunity and pointing a
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Speaker 5: gun into her interface. When she couldn't produce the cash,
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Speaker 5: the suspect pushed that victim back into her vehicle and
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Speaker 5: forced her to the Blair apartment complexes where she was
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Speaker 5: where he sexually assaulted her.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've noticed that it's very difficult for some people
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Speaker 2: to say rape or sodom. Eyes kind of airbrush over
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Speaker 2: that by saying assault or sex assault. So he took
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Speaker 2: her from one location to another. And I want to
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Speaker 2: follow up with you again, doctor Jeff Talachewski. For a psychologist,
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Speaker 2: I say that very often the rate or the sex assault,
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Speaker 2: this sodomy does not take place at the point of
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Speaker 2: the kidnapping.
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Speaker 7: Why is that?
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Speaker 3: There are many reasons why.
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Speaker 6: Right, And one of the things I was said earlier
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Speaker 6: about this is a crime of opportunity that sort of
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Speaker 6: has that rings true in my mind.
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Speaker 8: You know likely what this.
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Speaker 6: Scenario was that this started out to be a robbery,
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Speaker 6: and then if this person is a predator, he sees
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Speaker 6: another opportunity, and he sees an opportunity for an abduction,
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Speaker 6: and then he moves this along to take advantage of
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Speaker 6: this opportunity to actually rape the person. So a lot
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Speaker 6: of times these predator types, they initially their plan of
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Speaker 6: what crime they're trying to pull off changes and again
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Speaker 6: it becomes an opportunity. Now I can commit a more
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Speaker 6: heinous crime, and I'll take advantage of that opportunity.
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Speaker 2: You know what, it's really interesting that you said that,
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Speaker 2: doctor Jeff, because in my notes I have written rob
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Speaker 2: and rape. Why Because I'm thinking this through, and anybody
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Speaker 2: on the panel please jump in. You don't have to
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Speaker 2: be or now it's psychologists like doctor Jeff to have
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Speaker 2: an opinion. You all have been in the system and
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Speaker 2: you've never been accused of being shy. So I think
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Speaker 2: it goes to and again, I'm just a JD, not
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Speaker 2: a shrink, not an MD. But it's a power and
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Speaker 2: control and cruelty factor. So you go up to the
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Speaker 2: woman who is unarmed, Your armed, beat her, put a
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Speaker 2: gun in her face and rob and rape. And you
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Speaker 2: know a door desk driver is not going to have
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Speaker 2: a lot of money. So what is it really all about?
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Speaker 2: What about it, doctor, Jeff? What's it about?
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Speaker 3: It's not about sex. We know that because the guy
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Speaker 3: can get sex.
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Speaker 2: With a girlfriend, a wife, uh, somebody, you pick a
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Speaker 2: bit of bar a hooker for Pete's sake.
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Speaker 3: So it's not about the sex, rape and robbery together.
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Speaker 3: What is that?
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Speaker 12: Well?
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Speaker 6: This struck me when I went through the case, and
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Speaker 6: at first I started to think, how much hatred does
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Speaker 6: this guy have that he's going to do this? But
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Speaker 6: it sort of moved on for me, and I think
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Speaker 6: we're really talking about a case here of just sort
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Speaker 6: of abject evil starts out as a robbery and then
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Speaker 6: moves onto a kidnapping and then onto a sexual assault.
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Speaker 3: Guys, take a listen now to our friends at Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 4: The DoorDash driver had her AirPods in and was talking
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Speaker 4: to her friend when she was first approached by that suspect.
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Speaker 4: So the friend and then eventually family members started tracking
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Speaker 4: her location when they realized the crime was happening, and
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Speaker 4: they called nine one one.
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Speaker 5: This incident appears to be a crime of opportunity.
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Speaker 4: Tampa Police need your help as they investigate a kidnapping
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Speaker 4: and sexual assault involving a door dash delivery driver.
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Speaker 5: At this point, this subject is very dangerous. This is
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Speaker 5: a very heineous crime and.
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Speaker 3: More from our friends at TAN Tampa Bay.
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Speaker 13: This is a composite sketch of a man who kidnapped
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Speaker 13: a door dash driver from the residence in on Boy
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Speaker 13: Scout Boulevard, forced her to drive to Belaura Lakes apartments,
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Speaker 13: then sexually assaulted her.
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Speaker 5: This appears to be just the crime of opportunity. The
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Speaker 5: suspect was at the hotel at the same time the
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Speaker 5: victim was delivering her food.
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Speaker 13: Within hours of the kidnapping and sexual assault. Another concerning
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Speaker 13: crime in the same apartment complex, Police say this man
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Speaker 13: was caught robbing a woman, punching her and stealing her backpack.
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Speaker 13: Tampa Police aren't saying if the two crimes are connected,
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Speaker 13: but they are searching for the man in this sketch
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Speaker 13: and in this video. If you happen to know that
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Speaker 13: man in the sketch or in the video, contact Tampa
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Speaker 13: Police immediately.
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Speaker 3: Number one, Why do people say it's just a crime
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Speaker 3: of opportunity.
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Speaker 2: Just the woman is kidnapped, brutally raped, beaten, she's near death.
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Speaker 3: Her family tries to come save.
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Speaker 2: Her by tracking her iPhone, and the per opens fire
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Speaker 2: on them with a gun.
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Speaker 3: Why is that, Dan Corsontine, Nancy Jumpan, Please.
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Speaker 7: Yes, so, Nancy, I mean, you know I'm wondering the
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Speaker 7: same thing. You know, This idea of a crime of
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Speaker 7: opportunity certainly the object. This young woman just happened to
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Speaker 7: be in a bad place at the wrong time. This
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Speaker 7: is a guy out with a gun. He's walking around,
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Speaker 7: he's looking.
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Speaker 1: He's like a wolf.
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Speaker 3: Matthew Mangino searching for prey.
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Speaker 2: He's like the hyena at the watering hole in the savannah,
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Speaker 2: waiting for the gazelle to come up.
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Speaker 3: Joining me right now.
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Speaker 2: Lee and Newbecker CISSP digital forensics expert, President and CEO
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Speaker 2: of Enigma Forensics. You can find him at Leenewbecker dot com. Lee,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Another interesting facet.
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Speaker 3: Of this is that her fan she's on the phone.
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Speaker 2: She has a sixth sense, which I'll circle back to
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Speaker 2: everybody on on that. She has a sixth sense. So
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Speaker 2: she's on the phone with her family while she's making
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Speaker 2: this delivery. How many of us women have done that?
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Speaker 3: I have.
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Speaker 2: I've called my ninety two year old mother when I'm
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Speaker 2: out in about last time I remember doing it, I was.
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Speaker 3: At the.
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Speaker 2: Double murder trial of Alex Murdogg and we had been
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Speaker 2: in court or an on air since six that morning
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Speaker 2: and by now it's like ten o'clock at night, and
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Speaker 2: I decided to go for a walk, okay and do
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Speaker 2: And I talked to my mom almost the whole time,
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Speaker 2: like my ninety two year old mom is gonna help me.
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Speaker 3: But it's a feeling, it's intuition.
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Speaker 2: And this young woman did the same thing because she
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Speaker 2: did that late Newbecker digital forensics expert. Because of that
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Speaker 2: one thing keeping her phone on during this ordeal, it
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Speaker 2: helped lead cops and family to where she was. How
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Speaker 2: does it work?
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Speaker 3: Lee?
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Speaker 8: Basically, she had key devices on her She had the airbuds,
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Speaker 8: which can be tracked online. She was sharing her location
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Speaker 8: with her girlfriend, and her family also had her phone location,
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Speaker 8: so she was talking to a friend. So when something happened,
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Speaker 8: the friend knew and was able to alert the parents
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Speaker 8: and help get her assistance. As she was very smart
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Speaker 8: to be in a phone when she was entering a
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Speaker 8: questionable area.
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Speaker 2: Lee Neebecker with me, the CEO of Enigma Forensics, Inc.
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Speaker 2: And he has is an info security blogger at lee
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Speaker 2: COM's an incredible blog. By the way, you just said
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Speaker 2: something that a lot.
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Speaker 3: Of people don't know that earbuds are trackable as well. Explain.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, basically you choose to share your location with
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Speaker 8: trusted family members, your spouse or whatever, and it helps
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Speaker 8: provide some measure of safety because if you're not answering
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Speaker 8: your phone, they can, at least while it's active, know
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Speaker 8: you know where you are presently or where you last
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Speaker 8: we're at. So it's a good thing. It's also be used.
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Speaker 8: You know, this technology can be used for good and
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Speaker 8: for bad. Unfortunately.
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Speaker 3: Well, you're right about that, lean you Becker. So FYI.
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Speaker 2: Everybody, when you're using your earbuds, obviously they are connected
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Speaker 2: into a device.
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Speaker 3: They don't get the news.
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Speaker 2: Or podcasts or whatever you're listening to or music on
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Speaker 2: their own. They're connected to a device, and therefore, like
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Speaker 2: your fitbit or your Apple Watch, they also can be traced.
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Speaker 3: And we're seeing it more and more Newbecker.
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Speaker 2: We're seeing more and more cases cracked or at least
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Speaker 2: advanced because of tracking. Buy earbuds, buy cell phones, buy
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Speaker 2: fitness watches.
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Speaker 3: Agree or disagree?
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Speaker 8: Lee agree. Some people even have their tags. They have
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Speaker 8: tags you can buy, and someone put one in their luggage.
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Speaker 8: Thieves stole their luggage from the airport, but they were
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Speaker 8: able to track the track down and arrest the person
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Speaker 8: who stole the luggage because they have air takes inside
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Speaker 8: the look their luggage.
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Speaker 3: So the family now is trying to find this young woman.
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Speaker 2: And Alexis Tereshak I find it amazing that she had
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Speaker 2: the wherewithal to keep her phone turned on. And you
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Speaker 2: know where we saw that in Delphi, the case of
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Speaker 2: two gorgeous little girls, Liberty and Abigail, Libby and Abby.
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Speaker 3: Who keep their phone on. One of them keeps their
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Speaker 3: cell phone on in her pocket.
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Speaker 2: Therefore we hear the killer say down the hill, down
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Speaker 2: the hill, and they loop it for people to hear
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Speaker 2: that voice, and they take a picture of who we
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Speaker 2: believe to be the approaching them. The wherewithal this victim
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Speaker 2: had to keep her cell phone on is amazing. So
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Speaker 2: there's that, and there's the intuition Alexis Terraschuk that even
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Speaker 2: these two little girls knew something was wrong. They didn't
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Speaker 2: know what they need, but they knew something was wrong, and.
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Speaker 3: They recorded it. This door dash delivery woman had a
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Speaker 3: feeling and she kept her phone on. What about that,
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Speaker 3: Alexis Raschuk.
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Speaker 10: Well, this is exactly. So she is walking into work
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Speaker 10: dropping off the delivery. She is on her phone. This
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Speaker 10: man approaches her, scares her. This doesn't appears that this
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Speaker 10: was her delivery person, or this is not the person
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Speaker 10: that she was going to deliver food too, stops her,
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Speaker 10: startles her. So she is on the phone at this
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Speaker 10: time and it's her family with her girlfriend. And then
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Speaker 10: this man says, give me cash. He has a gun.
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Speaker 10: She tells them I don't have any money. I can't
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Speaker 10: do anything. So the person listening in knows immediately that
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Speaker 10: something is wrong.
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Speaker 3: You don't have any cash. I'm going to get something
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Speaker 3: out of this. In other words, I'm going to.
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Speaker 10: Rap you, exactly, a full threat. And so the family
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Speaker 10: hears that. They are so panicked they call the police.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine, Alexis, now that you have your baby boy,
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Speaker 2: if you heard that going on in the back of
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Speaker 2: his self.
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Speaker 10: He does have a cell phone, right, No, he's a
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Speaker 10: little too young still, Yeah, you're.
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Speaker 2: Right, he's too And I ended up, as you know
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Speaker 2: this story, after the twins did not report back in
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Speaker 2: every twenty minutes at a high school football game they
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Speaker 2: were watching. I immediately got him a cell phone two
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Speaker 2: years too early, which has been a blessing and a curse.
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Speaker 2: That said, that tuition Alexis Tereschuk is talking about kicksin.
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Speaker 3: She leaves a cell phone.
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Speaker 8: On, but.
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Speaker 2: It's a double edged sore because his family ends up
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Speaker 2: getting fired on.
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Speaker 3: Which leads me to another point.
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Speaker 2: Dan Corzantino, former police chief and sheriff, You don't have any.
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Speaker 3: Money, so he rapes her. Are you surprised at all?
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Speaker 2: He has committed another crime on another woman and the
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Speaker 2: same radius, throwing the woman down by her backpack, beating
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Speaker 2: her and stealing from her.
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Speaker 3: He's surprised. He's like a wild animal on the loose.
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Speaker 7: Well, it all.
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Speaker 9: Started, as we said, with his intent, and his intent
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Speaker 9: was to commit a crime that evolved into a victimization
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Speaker 9: of this young lady. That was a door dash, and
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Speaker 9: when he wasn't satisfied, he did not reach a point
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Speaker 9: of self satisfaction, he proceeded onward and he wanted to
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Speaker 9: find another victim, and to that end, he did find
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Speaker 9: another victim and another crime, commit another violent crime, and
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Speaker 9: that is another.
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Speaker 1: Issue Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 3: Amber o'melly joining US forensic nurse examiner and expert on
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Speaker 3: sex abuse.
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Speaker 2: The second victim was grabbed by her backpack and thrown
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Speaker 2: on the ground, which is really easy to dis engage someone.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they're helpless.
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Speaker 2: When they're grabbed by their backpack because they can't fight back.
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Speaker 2: And if you think about it, same mo the door
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Speaker 2: dash delivery lady in her early twenties, eleven o'clock. She's
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Speaker 2: got her hands full at the time with the food
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Speaker 2: at the time she's attacked. So we're seeing a common
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Speaker 2: theme where you become disabled because.
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Speaker 3: Of what you're carrying or what's attached to your body.
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Speaker 2: I mean I finally got to ambro mally when I
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Speaker 2: would go strekking through housing projects to find witnesses and
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Speaker 2: defendants and.
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Speaker 3: Sort of subpoenas I was hands free.
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Speaker 2: Had nothing in my hands at all ready to fight
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Speaker 2: back or make a run for it.
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Speaker 11: Yes, it certainly leaves a person vulnerable when they don't
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Speaker 11: have that physical capacity to protect themselves. Definitely see that.
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Speaker 3: Then you have a third felony, another violent crime. This
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Speaker 3: guy is a one man crime wave. Take a listen
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Speaker 3: to our friends Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 14: Little did Killens know that her family was actually tracking
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Speaker 14: her on her phone, so they follow it to Belura
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Speaker 14: Lakes where there was a confrontation. That's when things got
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Speaker 14: really crazy and pretty scary. A relative of the young
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Speaker 14: woman's friend was hit by a bullet. A few hours later.
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Speaker 14: Kill This accused of stealing the woman's backpack.
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Speaker 5: As of now, we are asking the community to look
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Speaker 5: around for video and we're asking the community's help and
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Speaker 5: identifying the suspect. We asked that you look at this
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Speaker 5: composite see if you identify this, can identify this suspect
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Speaker 5: and have any additional information that you can provide to
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Speaker 5: law enforcement.
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Speaker 3: Let's hear more of Sergeant Andrew Hughes.
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Speaker 5: They were able to track her to this apartment car.
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Speaker 4: At that point, police said, the suspect fired multiple times
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Speaker 4: and struck a family member of.
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Speaker 1: The victim's rent.
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Speaker 5: He is armed and dangerous.
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Speaker 4: Police and released this composite sketch to the suspect. He
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Speaker 4: described as approximately six foot two and is in his
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Speaker 4: late twenties early thirties.
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Speaker 5: We have detectives within this special Victims unit working diligently
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Speaker 5: locating video to get him off the street so this
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Speaker 5: doesn't occur to somebody else.
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Speaker 3: You are hearing the police begging, begging for help. What
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Speaker 3: can you do?
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Speaker 2: This woman has a gun shoved in her face, She's
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Speaker 2: forced in a car, taken to a remote location and
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Speaker 2: brutally raped, beaten.
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Speaker 3: But that wasn't enough.
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Speaker 2: This guy then, after raping her, attacks another woman, grabbing
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Speaker 2: her by her backpack and beating her in the face savagely,
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Speaker 2: then opens fire on the rape victim's family, actually hitting them.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen to our cut twelve WFLA.
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Speaker 8: Trust in what you see, trust in what you feel.
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Speaker 7: That little bit of money that you're going to make
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Speaker 7: from that transaction isn't worth your life.
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Speaker 12: Self defense coach Brian Anderson Needham said, if things seem bad,
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Speaker 12: get out as fast as you can. If you need
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Speaker 12: to fight, be effective, not flashy.
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Speaker 7: The statistics drastically change for survival when you get transferred,
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Speaker 7: where you get transported or taken from one point to
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Speaker 7: the next.
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Speaker 12: Police also linked Killens to a robbery early Wednesday morning.
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Speaker 12: They said Killin's through a different woman to the ground,
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Speaker 12: then punched her and store her backpack. Killens is now
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Speaker 12: facing multiple charges including arm, sexual battery, armed kidnapping, and
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Speaker 12: robbery with a firearm. Then police did clarify it appears
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Speaker 12: Killens did not order the original DoorDash food that was coming.
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Speaker 12: They said that it appears this was a crime of opportunity.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he's facing all those charges whenever he can be apprehended.
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Speaker 2: Of course, this is not the first time that a
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Speaker 2: female delivery person has been attacked and murdered. Does the
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Speaker 2: name Ryan Munsey ring a bell to you, because it
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Speaker 2: does to me. Her case is stuck with me since
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Speaker 2: I first investigated it. Take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 2: sixteen our friends at NBC five.
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Speaker 15: Wife and mother of three small children, Ryan Grahammonzie was
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Speaker 15: working her Uber Eats delivery job Saturday night when she
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Speaker 15: was murdered, found in the breezeway of the Northern Cross
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Speaker 15: apartments in Halsham City. I believe she was delivering food
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Speaker 15: to somebody in that building. The thirty one year old
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Speaker 15: did not make it to the customer's door before she
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Speaker 15: was killed. A motive isn't being made public. Almost exactly
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Speaker 15: a month before Mundie's murder, another delivery driver was shot dead,
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Speaker 15: this time in West Dallas, an independent contractor delivering packages
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Speaker 15: for Amazon. According to family. Dallas police were called to
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Speaker 15: the twenty four hundred block of Leith Street on December
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Speaker 15: twenty third and found Allen shot and killed. A motive
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Speaker 15: is not yet known. Killer is also on.
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Speaker 2: The loose Matthew me and Gino joining US high profile
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Speaker 2: lawyer and former prosecutor Matthew Me and Gino. These cases
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Speaker 2: are sometimes very hard to prosecute because you can't find
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Speaker 2: the defendant.
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Speaker 3: You can't find suspect here.
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Speaker 2: The guy didn't order the pizza, he didn't order the
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Speaker 2: door dash order, he didn't live there. He was skulking
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Speaker 2: looking for a victim. So that makes it more difficult
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Speaker 2: to find the defendant.
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Speaker 7: It does, Nancy, But I'll tell you if I was
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Speaker 7: leading this investigation, it would be a number one priority
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Speaker 7: to find this person. I mean, you don't wake up
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Speaker 7: one morning and decide I'm going to rob and rape
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Speaker 7: and assault women and get involved in a shootout.
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Speaker 8: You're a dangerous person.
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Speaker 7: You've done this in the past and you're going to
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Speaker 7: do it in the future. So this has to be
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Speaker 7: priority one to find this guy and to get him
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Speaker 7: off the street as quickly as possible.
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Speaker 2: There is pandemonium in the community, with one attack after
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Speaker 2: the next after the next on women. It's a man hunt.
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Speaker 2: But take a listen to our friends at Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 2: This is Ken Suarez.
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Speaker 14: It seems like these charges just keep on piling up
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Speaker 14: and piling up. A couple hours from now, he is
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Speaker 14: going to appear before judge for the first time for
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Speaker 14: two separate and very stunning crimes. Now Joseph Killin's was
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Speaker 14: the restaur on Friday night. Since that arrest, we learned
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Speaker 14: that he's also charged with an attack on another woman
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Speaker 14: that also happened at the Belora Lakes Apartments. Please say
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Speaker 14: that he pushed that woman in her forties down and
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Speaker 14: stole her backpack early Wednesday morning. That's the same location
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Speaker 14: where hours earlier he ended up after committing a series
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Speaker 14: of other crimes. He's accused of trying to hold up
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Speaker 14: a twenty year old woman working for door Dash. She
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Speaker 14: was making a delivery at a hotel in their International
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Speaker 14: a plaza last Tuesday night. Please say that he ended
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Speaker 14: up pushing her into the back of her car, taking off,
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Speaker 14: and eventually sexually assaulting her. All at gunpoint.
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Speaker 2: Alexis restat climb online dot Com investigative reporter. How do
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Speaker 2: cops finally apprehend him.
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Speaker 10: The second woman that was attacked that she was hit
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Speaker 10: from behind, he tried to scale her back. This is
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Speaker 10: at the same apartment complex where the woman was raped.
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Speaker 10: They get security footage of this man and then they
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Speaker 10: are able to identify him, and then they are able
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Speaker 10: to go and arrest him.
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Speaker 2: You know what's really interesting to Lee and Newbecker joining
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Speaker 2: US president CEO of Enigma Forensics.
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Speaker 3: This was not his first arrest, explain Lee.
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Speaker 8: A long time ago, back in two thousand and nine,
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Speaker 8: he was charged with attacking an assaulting a police officer,
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Speaker 8: So that was his first felony. Then more recently there's
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Speaker 8: another three cases that had been filed against him. On
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Speaker 8: the twenty second, April twenty second, he had tea cases
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Speaker 8: filed against him, and they released him on home monitoring
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Speaker 8: and then he went out and he struck again. So
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Speaker 8: we really have to ask why aren't we putting violent
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Speaker 8: criminals and locking them up and instead letting them out
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Speaker 8: of the streets. Someone's going to attack the police officer
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Speaker 8: and then they sexually assault someone. That's someone that should
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Speaker 8: be locked up in jail.
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Speaker 2: Not released, Lee Newbecker, you cannot be more correct. So
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Speaker 2: this guy that is caught on camera and one of
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Speaker 2: these attacks on women, who brutally rapes and beats savagely another.
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Speaker 3: Woman, a twenty year old DoorDash delivery.
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Speaker 2: Lady, then opens fire on her family with a gun,
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Speaker 2: striking one of them. He has a history, Lee Neubecker,
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Speaker 2: is enlightening us. He attacked a cop and then had
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Speaker 2: more crimes on women, and they put him on home monitoring.
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Speaker 2: Now he's out loose, wandering around and finds another string
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Speaker 2: of victims. Alexis Tereschuk, he's due in court. What's happening
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Speaker 2: in the arrayment?
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Speaker 10: It is an arrayment? Well, he has asked the judge
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Speaker 10: to release him on bond, and the thing that is
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Speaker 10: the judge has said she's going to make a decision
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Speaker 10: in another day, but she laid.
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Speaker 16: Out a lot of rules for him if he is
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Speaker 16: to be released, and they were not don't commit any
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Speaker 16: more crimes, follow the law they were, do not contact bctim,
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Speaker 16: and do not contact this victim family.
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Speaker 3: Why are they even putting conditions?
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Speaker 2: Why are they even toying with the idea of letting
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Speaker 2: this guy who has such a long history of attacking women.
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Speaker 3: Why would they even consider letting it.
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Speaker 2: Why don't they just make a condition, now, you be
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Speaker 2: a good boy, okay, and don't run off and rape
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Speaker 2: another woman.
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Speaker 3: Okay, We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend,