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Sharri | 29 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: I'm still chari markson last time I checked. Good evening.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 4: Tonight of battle lines drawn as New South Wales Premier
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Speaker 4: Chris Mins hits out at the Albanzi government over the
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Speaker 4: goldmine debacle, and Barnaby Joyce and Matt Keane go head
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Speaker 4: to head on energy, Barnaby accusing the Prime Minister's new
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Speaker 4: Climate Authority chair of living in the Wizard of Oz.
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Speaker 4: The Daily Telegraph editor Ben English would join me shortly.
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Speaker 4: Plus Albanezi embarrassed on the world stage. I'll speak with
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Speaker 4: my panel about his hot mic moment shortly. And can
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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris be president if she needs her running mate
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Speaker 4: to hold her hand for her first sit down interview.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to come to that in just a moment, but.
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Speaker 4: First, Chris Mins has hit out at Tanya Plibasek for
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Speaker 4: killing off the billion dollar gold mine. It's a staggering
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Speaker 4: battle between New Southell's labor and the Albanezy government over
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Speaker 4: the mind that's planned for Blaney near Orange and Mens
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Speaker 4: didn't hold back in his support for the mine. In
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Speaker 4: an interview at the Daily Telegraphs Bush summit today, following
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Speaker 4: on from remarks he first made yesterday.
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Speaker 2: We wanted to go ahead. We think it's too important
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Speaker 2: for Blaney for regional economies. I had a meeting this
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Speaker 2: morning with the Mayor of Blaney about this particular issue.
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Speaker 2: I want to send a message that we're open for business.
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Speaker 2: I'm disappointed by the decision from the Commonwealth Government.
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Speaker 5: You disagree with the reversim to live.
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Speaker 2: I said that many times and.
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Speaker 6: So in your view, Tenure Plebasik using that power was
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Speaker 6: shubazy error.
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Speaker 4: Yes, and Opposition Leader Peter Dutton also weighed into this today,
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Speaker 4: saying the Albanezy government was ruining the economy.
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Speaker 7: When you get ten year plebisk closing a mind for votes,
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Speaker 7: you know that this government's gone off track. This government
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Speaker 7: is doing an enormous amount of damage to the economy
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Speaker 7: and I think Australians are starting to see through that.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 4: The New South I was premier, had earlier said he
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Speaker 4: was disappointed and he quoted the Land Council submission that
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Speaker 4: said we question the motives of people and organizations who
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Speaker 4: participate in promoting unsubstantiated claims and seek to hijack Aboriginal
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Speaker 4: cultural heritage in order to push other agendas and there
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Speaker 4: had already been five years of processes and approvals, but
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Speaker 4: then Plebisk stepped in at the eleventh hour to block it.
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Speaker 4: She cited Section ten of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait
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Speaker 4: Islander Protection Act. She said that she took the advice
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Speaker 4: of the Wiriji Traditional Owners over the Orange Local Aboriginal
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Speaker 4: Land Council, which had no objections to the mine going ahead.
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Speaker 8: The Rotary Traditional Owners Central West Aboriginal Corporation is the
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Speaker 8: group that I've acted to. They have asked me to
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Speaker 8: act to protect this area as cotually significant and I've
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Speaker 8: taken their advice that it is culturally significant for them.
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Speaker 8: This is the same group of people that the previous
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Speaker 8: Environment Minister Susan Lay listened to.
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Speaker 4: But one prominent Wirajuri man, who is also a former
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Speaker 4: chair of the New South Wales Aboriginal Land Council, said
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Speaker 4: that Indigenous culture was being hijacked for other agendas, and
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Speaker 4: he said he'd never heard of artists, Nirie Reynolds, all
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Speaker 4: the eighteen members of the Wurrajury Owners that are now
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Speaker 4: objecting to the.
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Speaker 9: Mind, why all people be rolling in their grave if
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Speaker 9: they knew that our culture has been hijacked for hidden agendas,
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Speaker 9: and it's.
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Speaker 2: Not right.
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Speaker 4: In those comments. Also today the Bush Summit, there was
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Speaker 4: a lot of news coming out of it. As I said,
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Speaker 4: we're going to get to ben English in a minute.
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Speaker 4: But Tanya plubisk is now in a way trying to
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Speaker 4: walk back or explain away her decision. She says the
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Speaker 4: mind can go ahead, but in a different location. She
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Speaker 4: says she only objects to the location of the tailings down.
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Speaker 8: My job as the Environment Minister is to protect aberiginal
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Speaker 8: in terrest straight is under cultural heritage, and that's what
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Speaker 8: I'm doing well.
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Speaker 4: It seems, and this is what critics are accusing her
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Speaker 4: of of making a decision on a whim by passing
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Speaker 4: the five years' worth of approvals by both state and
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Speaker 4: federal departments. And it's understood that Plimisek is frustrated at
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Speaker 4: this scrutiny. Even her own Prime Minister is struggling to
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Speaker 4: defend her.
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Speaker 10: Chris Minz would like it to go ahead. I'd like
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Speaker 10: to go ahead too. There's nothing to stop it.
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Speaker 4: There are other options, nothing to stop it. Only his
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Speaker 4: own minister un rival Tanya Plimisek. But this isn't just
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Speaker 4: about one gold mine. What's important here is the message
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Speaker 4: that this sends about Australia's reliability to potential investors.
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Speaker 3: It says that investing in Australia is too high a
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Speaker 3: risk to take.
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Speaker 4: But the Prime Minister isn't across the detail of what
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Speaker 4: any of his ministers are doing, and this is part
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Speaker 4: of the problem. And Albinizi seemed far more annoyed at
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Speaker 4: a journalist today recording him having an informal conversation in
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Speaker 4: public with a US official than he did with Plebusex's decision.
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Speaker 4: It's only when a hot mess explodes with a popular
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Speaker 4: labor premier coming out against his own side that Albanezi
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Speaker 4: bothers to pay attention.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris wants to be the leader of the free world,
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Speaker 4: taking on the West's enemies in China, Iran and Russia.
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Speaker 3: Well, how can she hold that.
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Speaker 4: Ambition if she needs her running mate to hold her
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Speaker 4: hand during her first media interview. Harris wants to be
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Speaker 4: president of the US, yet she's been too scared to
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Speaker 4: face any serious scrutiny. In the five weeks since Joe
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Speaker 4: Biden backed out of the race, Kamala Harris has not
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Speaker 4: done one tough interview. She has finally agreed to front
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Speaker 4: up and she'll do her first interview Thursday night, US
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Speaker 4: time eleven am tomorrow our time.
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Speaker 3: But there's a catch.
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Speaker 4: It's with a friendly journalist on a left leaning media outlet.
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Speaker 3: It's a pre record, not live, and she won't do
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Speaker 3: it alone.
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Speaker 4: Her running mate Tim Walls will be there beside her.
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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris has chosen CNN host Dana Bash to do
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Speaker 4: the interview, and.
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Speaker 3: It's not hard to work out why when.
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Speaker 4: You look at what Dana has said about Kamala and
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Speaker 4: the Democrats in the past.
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Speaker 11: I just want to do a little bit of record correcting.
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Speaker 3: No, there's not record crime right now.
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Speaker 11: Number one, Harris was put in charges, you said earlier
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Speaker 11: of combating the roots of immigration. She was not and
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Speaker 11: is not.
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Speaker 3: The borders are.
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Speaker 12: I've spent time with Doug Emhoff. By the way, side note,
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Speaker 12: I just have to get this in there because I
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Speaker 12: love this. The video that played before his speech, narrated
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Speaker 12: by their son. His ex wife produced it.
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Speaker 3: Right, there's a.
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Speaker 12: Lot for President Biden to tout. Americans don't seem to
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Speaker 12: be giving him the credit.
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Speaker 3: Why is that and what does he have to do to.
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Speaker 12: Turn that around.
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Speaker 11: The former president falsely claimed that the vice president quote
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Speaker 11: happened to turn black for political reasons. You are the
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Speaker 11: only black woman right now serving in the US Senate?
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Speaker 12: What do you make of all this?
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Speaker 4: And as for doing the interview with Tim Walls, well,
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Speaker 4: even all the CNN commentators have criticized Kamala Harris for this.
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Speaker 13: I think it's incredibly weak, weak sauce to show up
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Speaker 13: with your running mate, the fact that they don't have
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Speaker 13: enough confidence in her to let her sit herself the
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Speaker 13: actual top of the ticket and do a single interview.
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Speaker 13: In fact, I think the hand ringing and the gyrations
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Speaker 13: over this over the last month show a troubling lack
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Speaker 13: of confidence in her political ability, which also makes you wonder,
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Speaker 13: as a voter, well, what kind of president would you
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Speaker 13: be if this kind of a small time decision? Can
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Speaker 13: we do an interview or not? What does that look
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Speaker 13: like for your decision making process?
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Speaker 4: Now, if CNN doesn't do a tough interview, it will
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Speaker 4: destroy what's left of the credibility of their news network.
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Speaker 4: The Australian's Washington correspondent Adam Crichton says that CNN needs
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Speaker 4: to ask why does she now support a border wall
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Speaker 4: that she once dubbed medieval. Why is she now an
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Speaker 4: advocate for fracking after stating there is no question I'm
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Speaker 4: in favor of banning fracking, And why is there still
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Speaker 4: not a single policy listed at KamalaHarris dot com. But
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Speaker 4: Crichton says her strategy of not speaking to the media
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Speaker 4: has been working. It's been effective. She's just ahead of
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Speaker 4: Trump in national polls and this is a stunning turnaround
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Speaker 4: in a little over a month.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 4: Trump is also to blame for this. He's been criticized
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Speaker 4: for sharing a sexist post that implies Kamala Harris only
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Speaker 4: got to her position owing to sexual favors.
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Speaker 3: And Donald Trump.
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Speaker 4: Hasn't yet successfully reframed his political campaign to target Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 4: But Trump's many faults, flaws, and foibles are well known
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Speaker 4: to the American public. He is by now a known quantity.
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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris isn't. In fact, The Wall Street Journal editorial
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Speaker 4: board says she's the least known presidential candidate in modern
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Speaker 4: history and has had the least amount of media scrutiny.
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Speaker 4: The paper's editorial says that having was as a chaperone
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Speaker 4: in this interview with a parachute to rescue her is
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Speaker 4: an insult to American voters. They said the vice president
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Speaker 4: was handed the nomination in an inside job a month ago.
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Speaker 4: Her views on the crucial issues she'd confront as president
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Speaker 4: aren't clear, and what do we know has been dribbled
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Speaker 4: out in campaign press statements that we are supposed to
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Speaker 4: accept is her real views? Her campaign speeches amount to
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Speaker 4: little more than gausey rehetoric and vibes. Her strategy is
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Speaker 4: to float at forty thousand feet from here to November,
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Speaker 4: when we will all learn what she really intends as president,
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Speaker 4: or perhaps more accurately, what her advisors and the Barack
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Speaker 4: Obama aids now running her campaign intent.
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Speaker 3: They say, how.
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Speaker 4: Can we know what is true if miss Harris dodges
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Speaker 4: serious questioning? I think those points by the Wall Street
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Speaker 4: Journal editorial board are accurate and strong. And isn't Kamala
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Speaker 4: embarrassed that she can't handle a media interview on her own?
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Speaker 4: How can she possibly tell Americans to elect her when
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Speaker 4: she's too scared of holding her own with journalists? And
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Speaker 4: how can Americans expect her to stand up to the
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Speaker 4: ayatolas of Iran president? She or putin if she can't
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Speaker 4: even face a tough interview with a single American journalist.
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Speaker 4: If Kamala Harris wins in November, many political analysts have
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Speaker 4: said she would be the most left leaning president to
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Speaker 4: sit in the Oval office. Her positions on foreign and
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Speaker 4: economic policy aren't just a matter of critical importance to
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Speaker 4: the United States, but they've got reverberations globally too. Still
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Speaker 4: regretting the blowtorch that they apply to Hillary Clinton, the
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Speaker 4: establishment media in the US are now rolling out the
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Speaker 4: red carpet for Kamala without so much as a raised
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Speaker 4: eyebrow over her inconsistent policy positions. Those running for the
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Speaker 4: highest office need to be subject to more scrutiny. All right,
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Speaker 4: let's bring in now tonight's panel, National Senator Matt Canavan
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Speaker 4: and The Australian's National affairs editor Joe Kelly.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both. Matt, let's start with this issue.
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Speaker 4: What's your view of the fact that mainstream media outlets
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Speaker 4: in the US have failed comprehensively failed to interrogate what
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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris's policies actually are, what.
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Speaker 3: She's taking to the election, what she stands for.
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Speaker 1: Look, it is.
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Speaker 6: Concerning you'd hope in any open, transparent democracy you get
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Speaker 6: a proper scrutiny of all candidates. Certainly does seem some
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Speaker 6: sections of the media era are not really playing the
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Speaker 6: job as watchdogs, the cheerleaders. Cheerleaders for one side, and
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Speaker 6: really you're getting a situation now where Joe Biden, when
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Speaker 6: he was running from the basement, was doing more interviews
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Speaker 6: during COVID lockdowns. Then you're getting from Carmla Harris here,
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Speaker 6: who's trying to run a very scriptive campaign. So look,
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Speaker 6: I think it is also very concerning for the world
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Speaker 6: in a situation where we really don't know who's leading
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Speaker 6: the US right now. We've got a lot of challenges
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Speaker 6: around the world, a lot of conflicts going on, and
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Speaker 6: the US is the world leader in these things. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 6: there's a bit of a backing right now.
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Speaker 4: Exactly a lot of people say, oh, this is up
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Speaker 4: to the American people, and obviously they're the only ones
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Speaker 4: who get devote but actually it is a matter that
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Speaker 4: concerns all of us. You know, if the US goes
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Speaker 4: into a recession, well that's a problem for us here
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Speaker 4: as well. Not to mention foreign policy, Joe I mentioned
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Speaker 4: there that Donald Trump is a known quantity to Australians
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Speaker 4: to Americans. For all his faults, they know him, but
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Speaker 4: there seems to be more style than substance. The Wall
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Speaker 4: Street Journal calls it a vibe when it comes to
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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris's campaign.
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Speaker 14: What do you think, well, Sherry, I think it's very
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Speaker 14: good that Kamala Harris has agreed to do an interview
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Speaker 14: with mainstream media. Sure it's CNN, shor it's with DNA Bash,
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Speaker 14: who had very positive things to say about Kamala Harris's
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Speaker 14: speech at the Democratic National Convention, but she was criticized
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Speaker 14: for not talking to the mainstream media, and as Adam A.
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Speaker 14: Crichton has said, that seems to be working for us
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Speaker 14: so far. So I think it's good that she is
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Speaker 14: fronting up and doing an interview to begin with the
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Speaker 14: issue about whether Tim Waltz is there as a crutch
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Speaker 14: to hold her hand. I'm not sure if that's a
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Speaker 14: request from the Democratic team, whether that was part of
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Speaker 14: the request from CNN. At the end of the day,
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Speaker 14: it's all going to boil down to her performance, how
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Speaker 14: effective she is at actually answering some of those questions
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Speaker 14: about the flip flopping. If you remember the campaign that
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Speaker 14: was run against John Kerry on the flip flop issue
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Speaker 14: back in two thousand and four. It was very effective,
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Speaker 14: very devastating against him. So she will need to be effective.
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Speaker 14: And I share your hope that it is a serious
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Speaker 14: interview and that she has asked some tough questions.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and she does need to be able to explain
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Speaker 4: if she has changed those positions and how and what
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Speaker 4: has changed.
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Speaker 3: Now let's turn to domestic politics.
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Speaker 4: Although the PM is of course overseas, and he was
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Speaker 4: caught on a hot mic moment, as you call it.
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Speaker 4: This was on the sideline of the Pacific Islands Forum.
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Speaker 4: He was saying to Kurt Campbell that perhaps their four
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Speaker 4: hundred million dollar Pacific Policing initiative could be shared the cost.
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Speaker 3: He was kind of joking about it.
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Speaker 10: Have a look, we had a cracker today getting the
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Speaker 10: Pacific Policing initiative.
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Speaker 9: This fantastic is so important.
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Speaker 13: It's a script and I talked with Kevin about it then,
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Speaker 13: so you know we were going to do something of
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Speaker 13: the ass ninety.
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Speaker 15: So we did nothing. We're just having a chat giving
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Speaker 15: you a void.
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Speaker 5: Take theween.
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Speaker 1: Half.
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Speaker 10: He's on the cost if you like.
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Speaker 4: So, Kirk Campbell very clearly there said we were going
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Speaker 4: to do something, but I spoke to Kevin. Kevin right,
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Speaker 4: he asked us to hold back, so, you know, we
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Speaker 4: let you have the runway. Albanezy wasn't too impressed that
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Speaker 4: a journalist took and posted the video.
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Speaker 3: Have a look. The video is what it is.
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Speaker 15: Someone.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's up to them to whoever did that, to
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Speaker 10: think about their own ethics when it comes to journalism.
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Speaker 10: There was a private conversation. It was a jovial conversation,
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Speaker 10: a friendly one. You know, it is what it is.
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Speaker 4: Look, Matt, it was in a public place. It's an
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Speaker 4: issue of public interest. It wasn't like they were in
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Speaker 4: a private room. They were standing there, open in the public.
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Speaker 4: So did the New Zealand radio journalist do anything wrong here?
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Speaker 3: Well, look, first of.
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Speaker 6: All, Shario actually don't have a problem with what Albaneze said.
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Speaker 6: It was a bit of a lame joke. But who
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Speaker 6: cares was a joke.
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Speaker 5: I don't care.
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Speaker 6: There's nothing really in it. But I think that's what
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Speaker 6: this shows is the Prime Minister seems to have more
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Speaker 6: glass in his jaw than a modern skyscraper building. It's
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Speaker 6: not the first time he's reacted like this. I mean
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Speaker 6: he could have just brushed this off. Instead he's gone
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Speaker 6: on the attack on some journalists, poor journalists doing their job.
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Speaker 6: We saw a few months ago that when the Prime
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Speaker 6: Minister where the promise to try to support the crackdown
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Speaker 6: on so called misinformation X, a number of people made
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Speaker 6: means about him and put clown faces on his face,
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Speaker 6: and he was papoplectic about it, like you wanted a
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Speaker 6: sense of people from making fun of the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 6: I just think it needs to develop a bit of
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Speaker 6: a tougher skin here. He's the nation's leader. You're going
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Speaker 6: to be subject to criticisms sometimes, sometimes some semi brow
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Speaker 6: embarrassing stuff like this comes out. Just get on with
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Speaker 6: your job, mate, and stop trying to protect your own
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Speaker 6: image so much in such a clumsy way.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll watch what you say in public. Joe Kelly,
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Speaker 4: what's your take on this? And also that suggestion from
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Speaker 4: Kurt Campbell that Australia asked the US to take.
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Speaker 3: A backward step.
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Speaker 4: I mean he didn't explain exactly what he meant there,
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Speaker 4: but to take a backward step so Australia could have
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Speaker 4: the limelight to make this announcement.
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Speaker 14: Well, the first thing I think, Sherry, is that the
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Speaker 14: Prime Minister could have turned this, I think into a
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Speaker 14: good news story if he had sort of more of
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Speaker 14: a knack at being able to do that. I don't
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Speaker 14: think think, as Matt said, there was anything wrong with
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Speaker 14: what the Prime Minister said. In fact, I think there
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Speaker 14: was some revealing insights into some positive things. That the
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Speaker 14: relationship between him and Kurt Campbell is obviously very good.
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Speaker 14: They've got a rapport, the US is very interested in
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Speaker 14: the Pacific and the Pacific Policing Initiative, and even the
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Speaker 14: involvement of Kevin Rudd. I think could have all had
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Speaker 14: a positive Albanese could have put a positive spin on
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Speaker 14: all of that rather than take shots at the journalist
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Speaker 14: in question. In terms of the specific question about Kevin Rudd.
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Speaker 14: I even think that perhaps Albanese could have said, well,
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Speaker 14: this shows that the US understands Australia's leadership role in
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Speaker 14: the region, and that Australia has a leadership role to
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Speaker 14: play and they're giving us the leeway to do that.
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Speaker 14: I mean, we don't know exactly what Kurt Campbell was
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Speaker 14: referring to, but I think the Prime Minister could most
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Speaker 14: certainly have put a positive spin on the whole thing,
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Speaker 14: but instead it's become a negative news story.
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Speaker 3: Show Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Indeed, now Peter Dutton has taken aim at Jim Charmers,
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Speaker 4: the Treasurer, over his comments saying that Dutton is the
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Speaker 4: most divisive leader of a major political party in Australian history.
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Speaker 3: He was Dutton with Ray Hadley earlier today.
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Speaker 5: What he's talking about is the Voice and we took
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Speaker 5: a position on the Voice to vote against it. And
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Speaker 5: if I'm racist as a result of that or divisive
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Speaker 5: as a result of that, well he's accusing millions of
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Speaker 5: the strains of exactly the same crime. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 5: promised a kind of gentler parliament and it's anything but
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Speaker 5: I mean, if you disagree with this government or you
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Speaker 5: call out their failures all of a sudden, you're dangerous.
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Speaker 3: Matt.
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Speaker 4: I spoke to Scott Morrison about this a couple of
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Speaker 4: days ago and he says that Labour used the same
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Speaker 4: political attack on him that they're now using on Dutton,
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Speaker 4: playing the man rather than the ball.
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Speaker 3: What do you think.
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Speaker 6: I think Scott's exactly right. When these guys were in opposition,
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Speaker 6: they unleashed one of the most negative campaigns you've ever
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Speaker 6: seen against the Prime Minister. I mean he was pillory
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Speaker 6: for just taking a family holiday in Hawaii. They played
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Speaker 6: that relentlessly for years.
20:12
Speaker 4: Now.
20:12
Speaker 6: Look, I'm not complaining about that. That's politics, that's life,
20:15
Speaker 6: and we had to live with that and live with
20:17
Speaker 6: the results of that. But again it comes back to
20:19
Speaker 6: the glassdoor nature of this government. They just can't seem
20:22
Speaker 6: to handle any disagreement or criticism, and I don't think
20:26
Speaker 6: that's a good sign for our country. You'd want a
20:29
Speaker 6: government to be a bit more resilient about to cop
20:31
Speaker 6: the fact that sometimes people will disagree with you and
20:34
Speaker 6: to come out with absurd comparison take you the most
20:36
Speaker 6: deviceive ever. I mean, Jim Chalmers did his PhD on
20:40
Speaker 6: Paul Keating on economics. He did it on Paul Keating.
20:43
Speaker 6: I I don't think he learnt much because his barbs
20:46
Speaker 6: are nowhere near Paul Keating. He's not the second coming
20:49
Speaker 6: of Paul Keating and maybe he needs to work on
20:51
Speaker 6: his material a bit more.
20:53
Speaker 8: Joe.
20:53
Speaker 4: As frustrating as this would be for Peter Dart and
20:57
Speaker 4: the Coalition, it has proven to be an effective strategy.
21:00
Speaker 4: Isn't it painting an individual as divisive or racist. I mean,
21:05
Speaker 4: it's nothing that we agree with or think is accurate.
21:08
Speaker 4: But for the Labor Party it's going to work for them.
21:13
Speaker 14: Well, I'm not convinced it will work. It has worked
21:15
Speaker 14: in the past, Charry, as we saw so effectively with
21:18
Speaker 14: the character assassination of Scott Morrison that was waged relentlessly
21:22
Speaker 14: by Anthony Albanesi. But you have to remember that was
21:26
Speaker 14: a campaign waged against a prime minister from an opposition leader.
21:32
Speaker 14: Labor is now in government and I don't know if
21:34
Speaker 14: it's as effective going the other way. And I thought
21:38
Speaker 14: it was unusual that Jim Charmers used the latter part
21:42
Speaker 14: of his curtain oration to launch this attack against Peter Dutton,
21:48
Speaker 14: this character attack, and I think there was an element
21:52
Speaker 14: of defensiveness from Jim Charmers during the week. I mean
21:56
Speaker 14: it was a significant week in terms of economic data.
21:59
Speaker 14: The inflation figures came out and he was still getting
22:03
Speaker 14: questions about his political attack on Peter Durrant, but Peter
22:07
Speaker 14: Dutton when he was responding to the inflation figures. So
22:11
Speaker 14: I'm not sure if that's I'm not sure if that
22:13
Speaker 14: is the best look. I'm not sure it will be
22:15
Speaker 14: as successful as the campaign that they launched against Scott Morrison.
22:20
Speaker 14: And I do think there is an element of hypocrisy
22:23
Speaker 14: over it, given that the government's under pressure over the
22:27
Speaker 14: visas given to people fleeing Gaza, and also what happened
22:30
Speaker 14: with the voice reference.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, and if anyone, as I've said, is
22:34
Speaker 4: dividing the country, it's alb and easy by bringing in
22:38
Speaker 4: potential HARMUS supporters that could just further erode the lack
22:42
Speaker 4: of social cohesion we're already seeing on our streets.
22:45
Speaker 3: Joe Kelly Matt Canavan. Great to have you both on
22:47
Speaker 3: the show.
22:49
Speaker 4: Now let's return to this controversy over the gold mine
22:52
Speaker 4: and the new Southeest. Premier Chris Mins has said that
22:55
Speaker 4: he's disappointed in Tinya Polubsk's decision to kill it off.
22:58
Speaker 4: He spoke about the issue today as I played Juice
23:01
Speaker 4: comments just before at the Daily Telegraph's Bush Summit in
23:04
Speaker 4: Orange and Joiny Minow is the Telegraph's editor, Ben English, Ben,
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Speaker 4: thanks for joining us. Look, you splashed your front page
23:12
Speaker 4: on this story yesterday. My understanding is that Tanya Plibisek
23:17
Speaker 4: is a little bit annoyed at the scrutiny that you're
23:19
Speaker 4: putting on her.
23:21
Speaker 3: But the premiere has made.
23:22
Speaker 4: It clear that all the approvals were met and that
23:25
Speaker 4: the main indigenous group in Orange has no objection. So
23:29
Speaker 4: what do you think about her decision to councel this
23:33
Speaker 4: mine at the last minute.
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Speaker 16: Well, I don't know if Tenure's is irritated by our coverage,
23:41
Speaker 16: but she should have come to Orange today to see
23:43
Speaker 16: how much she's more than irritated the overwhelming majority of
23:48
Speaker 16: people in the Central West who see this as a
23:52
Speaker 16: swipe from an any city minister that hasn't even shown
23:57
Speaker 16: the good manners and good grace to come and see
24:00
Speaker 16: the mind project or the site that she's made this
24:04
Speaker 16: decision about. There was genuine anger there today in Orange,
24:08
Speaker 16: and I don't think this is going away.
24:11
Speaker 4: This is also quite a fascinating political story as well,
24:15
Speaker 4: because it really is the first big dispute we've seen
24:18
Speaker 4: between the state labor government Chris Mins and the Abanesi government,
24:22
Speaker 4: isn't it?
24:24
Speaker 15: Yeah?
24:24
Speaker 16: It is, And in fact, this is a good one
24:29
Speaker 16: for Chris Mens to choose to choose that battle. There
24:33
Speaker 16: usually comes a time with premieres, even when they're on
24:36
Speaker 16: the same side and the same color, where they have
24:39
Speaker 16: to choose to represent their own constituents, and this is
24:43
Speaker 16: a good one for Chris Means, and it's actually aligned
24:45
Speaker 16: with his own values anyway, he is very genuinely concerned
24:50
Speaker 16: about this decision and the signals it sends to the
24:53
Speaker 16: investment world. There is a very strong view, or at
24:59
Speaker 16: least a growing view amongst the resources sector that New
25:03
Speaker 16: South Wales is actually a sovereign risk. It's actually not
25:06
Speaker 16: a safe place to invest because, as has happened with Regis,
25:11
Speaker 16: the company that's behind this project, you can invest five, six,
25:15
Speaker 16: seven years and countless millions of dollars in the planning
25:20
Speaker 16: process only to be basically king hit at the last moment.
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Speaker 3: Exactly exactly right.
25:26
Speaker 4: That is why this is such a wirrying story for
25:29
Speaker 4: all of Australia, not.
25:30
Speaker 3: Just in New South Wales. But I think that your point.
25:34
Speaker 4: I think this also shows the difference between the centrist
25:38
Speaker 4: Men's government and what we're seeing, which is quite a
25:40
Speaker 4: radical left Albanezy government. I mean, the Men's government really
25:44
Speaker 4: is the model of what a labor government should be,
25:47
Speaker 4: and his instincts a mainstream on so many issues, including
25:51
Speaker 4: this one.
25:52
Speaker 3: But Ben your sum it made.
25:53
Speaker 4: Quite a lot of news today There was also a
25:55
Speaker 4: blue between Barnaby Joyce and Matt Kean over renewable energy.
25:59
Speaker 3: Let's have a quick look at the.
26:01
Speaker 17: Cheapest way of delivering reliable energy. Is firm for in
26:05
Speaker 17: your books? What's this the Wizard of Oz.
26:08
Speaker 18: Honestly, I'll tell you where the truth lies, ladies and gentlemen.
26:12
Speaker 5: When you get that little thing in the mail.
26:13
Speaker 18: With a box in it called the power bill, there
26:17
Speaker 18: lies the truth.
26:18
Speaker 17: Power bills are going up for two very clear reasons. One,
26:22
Speaker 17: there's a war in the Ukraine that has pushed the
26:24
Speaker 17: wholesale price that does push the wholesale price of coal up.
26:28
Speaker 18: We just have the cheapest power in the world, and
26:30
Speaker 18: now we've got some of the dearest power.
26:32
Speaker 5: In the world.
26:34
Speaker 3: The war in Ukraine.
26:35
Speaker 4: It's to blame for all of our bills and the
26:37
Speaker 4: rising cost of living.
26:38
Speaker 16: Ben Yeah, it was fantastic. And look, it has to
26:42
Speaker 16: be said, Barniey was playing to her home crowd there
26:46
Speaker 16: and they were mightily unimpressed with Matt Kean's his argument
26:52
Speaker 16: they're trying to blame external forces. I would say, I
26:57
Speaker 16: think you would have experienced this too, Shari. The people
27:00
Speaker 16: in the bullsh extremely well well versed in the issues
27:05
Speaker 16: at play. They have to be, and they're even more
27:08
Speaker 16: well versed now that they've got better access to Sky News,
27:11
Speaker 16: and they just weren't having They weren't having that for
27:13
Speaker 16: a moment, and in fact, I thought Barnaby was probably
27:17
Speaker 16: in the best form he's been in some time. He
27:20
Speaker 16: did get fired up, and our John Rolf had to
27:23
Speaker 16: sort of come in and separate the two men at
27:26
Speaker 16: different stages when it started to get too bare knuckle.
27:29
Speaker 16: But Barnaby landed some very telling blows because he was
27:33
Speaker 16: actually going to the nub of this, which is that
27:35
Speaker 16: there is a very very clear reason why bills are
27:39
Speaker 16: going up, and that's because of the enormous cost of
27:41
Speaker 16: the out of the pouring out of the transmission lines,
27:45
Speaker 16: and the broader capital cost of renewable infrastructure, and also
27:51
Speaker 16: the demise of fossil fuel you know, based low powers
27:57
Speaker 16: a supply. So you know, I I think Barnaby basically
28:02
Speaker 16: took him apart, took.
28:05
Speaker 3: Him apart well.
28:05
Speaker 4: Matt Keane, of course, has now been appointed by Anthony
28:09
Speaker 4: Alberezi to be the Climate Change Authority Chair. I mean
28:12
Speaker 4: that appointment happened while he was still in the New
28:14
Speaker 4: South Wales Parliament hadn't officially resigned yet, but you know,
28:18
Speaker 4: given what you heard about his position today, you know,
28:22
Speaker 4: where do you expect this renewable energy push to go
28:26
Speaker 4: given he does now have this federal role.
28:29
Speaker 16: Oh look, you know he's he's serving his paymasters and
28:33
Speaker 16: he's going to plow on with the you know, the
28:37
Speaker 16: relentless rolling out of these intermittent assets if you want
28:45
Speaker 16: to call them that. And you know there's there's a
28:49
Speaker 16: number of projects, enormous number of projects that are that
28:54
Speaker 16: are stacking up and with the benefit of a government
28:58
Speaker 16: subject of government subst and I must say not many
29:01
Speaker 16: of them are subjected to Section ten objections from any
29:05
Speaker 16: environment ministers. So I think as long as this government
29:10
Speaker 16: is in the federal government, then we're going to see
29:15
Speaker 16: basically an acceleration of the rollout of renewables. Where they
29:19
Speaker 16: will be munked by reality is when we start to
29:21
Speaker 16: see blackouts some particularly hot days in summer and when
29:27
Speaker 16: they fail to curve the increasing power bills.
29:30
Speaker 3: Yeah.
29:30
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and if that happens this summer, that's going to
29:34
Speaker 4: be a big political problem for the Prime Minister ahead
29:36
Speaker 4: of an election which we're expecting in the first quarter
29:38
Speaker 4: of next year. But English are big congrats on your
29:41
Speaker 4: Bush summit and highlighting issues that affect regional.
29:44
Speaker 3: And rule Australians. Thank you for joining us.
29:47
Speaker 4: Now, before we go to the break, I want to
29:49
Speaker 4: mention that I've got two amazing guests on Monday night's program.
29:54
Speaker 4: Here's a sneak peak of one exclusive interview.
29:57
Speaker 3: This is a very volatile period. The biggest political issue
30:01
Speaker 3: in our parliament.
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Speaker 1: Australia runder threat Britain's former spy chief and he's great
30:06
Speaker 1: warning over her.
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Speaker 7: Mass Australia isn't going to be immune from this terrorist
30:11
Speaker 7: probatam for.
30:11
Speaker 3: Sky News exclusive Where do you think this is headed?
30:15
Speaker 5: Extremely careful in allowing these people in.
30:18
Speaker 12: If you can't trace and you can't.
30:21
Speaker 7: Vet, there will be lowe wolves.
30:23
Speaker 1: Watch Harry eight pm Monday on Sky News.
30:27
Speaker 4: So that is the former head of mi I six,
30:30
Speaker 4: Sir Richard dear Love, and he weighs in in a
30:32
Speaker 4: big way on the Gazan visa issue. That big interviews
30:36
Speaker 4: on Monday night. Also on the same night, I've got
30:39
Speaker 4: the farmer Israeli government spokesman Alon Levy will be joining me.
30:43
Speaker 3: Terrific guest.
30:44
Speaker 4: You don't want to miss that at all Monday Night's show,
30:47
Speaker 4: but still to come this evening, we're live to Ukraine,
30:50
Speaker 4: where the Coalition is pledging to reopen the Australian Embassy
30:53
Speaker 4: in Kiev. Pennywog just won't do this. But Simon Birmingham
30:58
Speaker 4: will join me next. Plus another display of weak leadership
31:02
Speaker 4: by the University of Sydney that's coming up after this
31:04
Speaker 4: quick break.
31:09
Speaker 3: Welcome back now.
31:10
Speaker 4: Simon Birmingham will be joining me out of Ukraine in
31:13
Speaker 4: just a moment to talk about why Pennywong refuses to
31:16
Speaker 4: open up the Australian embassy and his commitment Peter Dutton's
31:20
Speaker 4: commitment to do so if they win the election. But
31:24
Speaker 4: now let's return to October seven. Now, the Israeli Army.
31:29
Speaker 4: It's little known, but they have their own unit when
31:32
Speaker 4: a Jewish soldier dies in battle. These are highly qualified professionals,
31:37
Speaker 4: and yet no amount of experience could have prepared them
31:40
Speaker 4: for what they witnessed on October seven. The men and
31:44
Speaker 4: women in this unit had to endure the harrowing task
31:48
Speaker 4: of identifying and purifying the bodies of those murdered by Hamas.
31:54
Speaker 3: Now to speak to me about this.
31:55
Speaker 4: Some more, I'm joined by Noah Lewis, who is the
31:58
Speaker 4: female head of the if Ritual Burial Society.
32:02
Speaker 3: Noah, thank you so much for joining us.
32:04
Speaker 4: And you're of course in Australia at the moment from Israel.
32:08
Speaker 4: Now it's such a hard thing for you to talk
32:11
Speaker 4: about and to relive, but can you tell us a
32:14
Speaker 4: bit about the extent of Hermasa's brutality from what you
32:19
Speaker 4: saw in the aftermath of October seventh?
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Speaker 19: Okay, thank you. When I arrived to the base on
32:27
Speaker 19: October seventh, I've never seen anything even close with that
32:31
Speaker 19: in my life. There were trucks of trucks of bodies
32:34
Speaker 19: coming from all over, you know, civilians and babies, old people,
32:40
Speaker 19: people mutated, imutated, a lot of blood, parts of bodies.
32:50
Speaker 19: We saw ashes, We saw burnt bodies, soldiers, young kids.
32:57
Speaker 19: We also got the just from everything different, different, different
33:03
Speaker 19: situation of bodies that I've never seen in my life.
33:06
Speaker 19: Not the state of the situation and not the not
33:09
Speaker 19: the amounts I've seen I've seen, uh, you know, girls
33:14
Speaker 19: that it looked like they've been killed so many times
33:17
Speaker 19: again and again, you know, they've been shot at and
33:19
Speaker 19: again and and different.
33:24
Speaker 9: Yeah.
33:24
Speaker 19: Also like you know, shooting in the face and in
33:28
Speaker 19: very painful, very painful to watch it. But it wasn't
33:32
Speaker 19: just a bullet or just a simple day, you know,
33:35
Speaker 19: cut You know, you could see parts of the bodies
33:38
Speaker 19: in separate bags and uh and amounts, so many and
33:43
Speaker 19: different ages.
33:44
Speaker 3: It was.
33:45
Speaker 19: It was very painful.
33:46
Speaker 4: There must have been particularly heartbreaking confronting having to see
33:51
Speaker 4: what these terrorists had done to children and babies.
33:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there were.
33:58
Speaker 19: There was a secretion, the secretion of the body, and
34:02
Speaker 19: I felt for me it was like a desecreting of
34:05
Speaker 19: human being. This is not the way that human being behaving.
34:08
Speaker 19: It was hurting me as a as a person of
34:11
Speaker 19: the world to seek such a brutality, such a.
34:15
Speaker 3: Pure evil, pure evil, that's what you can say. It's
34:21
Speaker 3: the bad, the stuff, the pure evil that we saw.
34:24
Speaker 19: It's something that you can't contain, you don't understand, you
34:27
Speaker 19: can't even that I saw it, and I was part
34:30
Speaker 19: of the job. I wasn't just watching it. I had
34:32
Speaker 19: to cover I had to take pieces to try to
34:34
Speaker 19: identify we were, you know, doing our team different parts
34:38
Speaker 19: of it. But understanding that it's something that we don't
34:43
Speaker 19: understand and we just come to do exactly the opposite look.
34:47
Speaker 4: People have tried to downplay the extent of her Massa's
34:52
Speaker 4: horrors that they inflicted, that some people turn her mass
34:56
Speaker 4: into freedom fighters, but in fact, the priorities from October
35:02
Speaker 4: seven and since show us that Harmasa on power are
35:05
Speaker 4: worse than Isis on power, or worse than the Nazis.
35:09
Speaker 3: I agree.
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Speaker 19: I'm a descendant of my grandmother was in Ashwitz, and
35:13
Speaker 19: I've seen ashes in Ashwitz where my grandmother was, and
35:17
Speaker 19: I had to put ashes in a coffin.
35:19
Speaker 3: It's it feels like.
35:22
Speaker 19: You know, the world is going you know, we're in
35:24
Speaker 19: the Western world, We're going forward, Christian Muslims, Jewish people,
35:28
Speaker 19: the world is going ahead, and the Hamas and Chrisbala,
35:32
Speaker 19: they just you know, trying to pull us back.
35:35
Speaker 3: It's it's a.
35:37
Speaker 19: You know, facing it make me make me proud, make
35:40
Speaker 19: me make me proud to be Jewish, make me proud
35:43
Speaker 19: to say I'm edding good to the world. I'm trying
35:46
Speaker 19: to be good. I'm trying to fight the bed I'm taking.
35:50
Speaker 19: I want to say to everyone, you know, take the
35:52
Speaker 19: right part. There's things that I even can talk about
35:55
Speaker 19: what I've seen, but listen to the truth, listen to
35:59
Speaker 19: the the good and think which part do you want
36:02
Speaker 19: to take? Who do you want to join?
36:05
Speaker 4: And that's why you're in Australia at the moment. I mean,
36:07
Speaker 4: I can't even imagine how that would have affected you emotionally,
36:11
Speaker 4: seeing what you waitness from October seven.
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Speaker 19: It is affecting, but it's mostly I'm looking ahead people,
36:19
Speaker 19: many people, many people lost their lives and family are
36:22
Speaker 19: obviously devastated, and we are looking forward for the world,
36:27
Speaker 19: for the Jewish people, for all the people, just to
36:30
Speaker 19: continue with the good. And this is why I'm here.
36:33
Speaker 19: People say I'm too scared to leave your country. I'm
36:35
Speaker 19: not scared of from us. I'm not scared of Ribta.
36:38
Speaker 19: I just want to say to the world they're not.
36:40
Speaker 19: We shouldn't be scared of them. We should just don't
36:43
Speaker 19: let them continue and stop them and let people fight
36:47
Speaker 19: against them.
36:48
Speaker 4: All right, Noel Lewis, I can't even say thank you
36:51
Speaker 4: very much for being here about I find your courage
36:55
Speaker 4: extraordinary and I can't imagine doing the job that you
36:58
Speaker 4: do on a daily basis, even you know, apart from
37:00
Speaker 4: October seven.
37:01
Speaker 3: So thank you so much, thank you, thank you.
37:05
Speaker 4: Now the coalition has vowed to safely reopen Australia's embassy
37:10
Speaker 4: in Ukraine if they win the next election, saying that
37:13
Speaker 4: Labour's stubborn refusal to do so has undermined our reputation
37:17
Speaker 4: as a reliable international ally. Shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine
37:22
Speaker 4: in February twenty twenty two, the Morrison government at the
37:24
Speaker 4: time ordered staff to evacuate Kiev. Since then, around seventy
37:30
Speaker 4: other countries have reopened their embassies in Ukraine. Well, for
37:33
Speaker 4: more on this, let's bring in Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister
37:36
Speaker 4: Simon Birmingham, who is right now in Ukraine. Simon, great
37:40
Speaker 4: to see you with us. So tell us why do
37:43
Speaker 4: you think, well, why is Penny one refusing to reopen
37:47
Speaker 4: the embassy?
37:49
Speaker 15: Hello, Shaari, It's good to be with you.
37:50
Speaker 20: Look, it is totally baffling as to the stubbornness of
37:53
Speaker 20: the Albanese government in terms of taking this step. As
37:56
Speaker 20: you said in the introduction, around seventy countries from Ireland
38:00
Speaker 20: to Indonesia have reopened their embassies in Kiev. They've done
38:04
Speaker 20: so safely, cautiously, appropriately. It's a city that I've been
38:08
Speaker 20: in the last couple of nights, and of course it's
38:10
Speaker 20: a city that has built strong safeguards, warning systems, air
38:14
Speaker 20: defense systems and created an environment where a range of
38:18
Speaker 20: different embassies are able to operate, and by operating they're
38:22
Speaker 20: able to get the.
38:24
Speaker 15: Best possible information and intelligence and access to the Ukrainian
38:29
Speaker 15: government when and where they need it, which Australia is
38:32
Speaker 15: not able to get a present by virtue of our
38:34
Speaker 15: ambassador being forced to be hundreds of kilometers away in Poland.
38:39
Speaker 4: Look, there are accusations that Australia has let down Zelanski
38:44
Speaker 4: and Ukraine in other matters as well. Do you think
38:46
Speaker 4: we could be doing more in terms of supplying weapons
38:51
Speaker 4: or funding aid to Ukraine s.
38:55
Speaker 20: The first thing is that we give one hundred percent
38:58
Speaker 20: bipartisan support for everything ASTRA has done. When the Morrison
39:02
Speaker 20: government was in power and the Russian invasion of Ukraine commenced,
39:06
Speaker 20: we made sure Australia was at the forefront of support.
39:08
Speaker 20: We were, in fact the largest non NATO country supporting Ukraine,
39:13
Speaker 20: giving assistance in terms of financial assistance, military assistance, humanitarian assistance,
39:19
Speaker 20: energy assistance, comprehensive support for the country.
39:23
Speaker 15: And the Albanesi government that has slipped. We are now
39:26
Speaker 15: no longer the largest non NATO contributor.
39:29
Speaker 20: Countries like Japan and South Korea have overtaken us, and
39:33
Speaker 20: we do think that there is more.
39:34
Speaker 15: That could be done.
39:35
Speaker 20: We shouldn't be retiring army helicopters to be junked and
39:40
Speaker 20: buried in Australia. We should be sending them or at
39:43
Speaker 20: least the parts, to support Ukraine. We should be answering
39:47
Speaker 20: quickly when Ukraine asked for Australian coal and ensuring those
39:51
Speaker 20: shipments go, not fapping around for months and months, and
39:55
Speaker 20: then eventually putting money into an international fund. These are
39:58
Speaker 20: not the type of science of urgency and commitment that
40:02
Speaker 20: you would and should expect Australia to show.
40:05
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a case similar to Israel, where
40:08
Speaker 4: the Albanezi government has let down a nation that should
40:12
Speaker 4: clearly be our ally or Simon Birmingham, stay safe over there,
40:16
Speaker 4: and thanks for joining us in the program. Now plenty
40:20
Speaker 4: more to come. After the break. Radio host Kyle Sanderlands
40:23
Speaker 4: has wrongly unleashed on people he's calling Looney's who are
40:27
Speaker 4: trying to cancel Candace Owens's visa. I'll play you that
40:31
Speaker 4: audio next. Plus we're in an economic horror show. As
40:34
Speaker 4: retailers are given a grim warning ahead of Christmas.
40:38
Speaker 3: I'll speak about this with my panel Welcome Back. Well,
40:44
Speaker 3: there's been a bit of a debate about whether far.
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Speaker 4: Right commentator Candace Owens should be given a visa to
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Speaker 4: come to Australia. And I'm not going to replay the
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Speaker 4: worst of her comments because they do not deserve to
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Speaker 4: be broadcast further. But they're so bad that Peter dar
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Speaker 4: and the Coalition and Jewish groups have called for.
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Speaker 3: Her not to be issued a visa.
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Speaker 4: But according to Kyle Sandalans, who spoke to Owen's this
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Speaker 4: morning on his radio show, her ideas should be hurt.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 1: I read an article people were trying to stop you
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Speaker 1: from coming. Why do people try and stop hearing other
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Speaker 1: people's ideas? Why is that as the.
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Speaker 5: Question that I have to ask you because it was
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Speaker 5: so When I saw that, and I saw that, someone
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Speaker 5: spoke out and said that it's so foreign.
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Speaker 1: We're very laid back here, we're very sort of passive people,
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Speaker 1: and there's a couple of loons that are running around
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Speaker 1: try and I think if you're trying to stop hearing
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Speaker 1: someone's idea, you're scared that other people will like that
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Speaker 1: person's idea.
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Speaker 4: Perhaps Kyle Sandalans hasn't heard the extent of Candice Owen
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Speaker 4: because it's her who is looney, not the people opposing her.
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Speaker 3: Arriving, we're to discuss.
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Speaker 4: Let's bringing commentator Jason Morrison and freyer Leitch from the
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Speaker 4: Menzies Research Center.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both, Prayer.
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Speaker 4: I think there is a difference between hate speech and
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Speaker 4: free speech, and countss Owens is engaging completely in conspiracy
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Speaker 4: theories and hate speech.
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Speaker 21: Look, this is a challenging one because I think if
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Speaker 21: we're going to protect free speech for us, we have
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Speaker 21: to uphold it for all. So it is hard and
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Speaker 21: it's hard to find that line between what is free
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Speaker 21: speech and what crosses over into hate speech. I actually
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Speaker 21: think we should issue Candis a visa, but with a condition.
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Speaker 21: She has to go on a tour of the Sydney
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Speaker 21: Jewish Museum guided by Holocaust survivors and see the extent
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Speaker 21: of the Holocaust, which she denies and she downplays. And then,
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Speaker 21: as an Israeli woman in Sydney who has VR goggles
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Speaker 21: that depict October seven, then she has to put the
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Speaker 21: VR goggles on. She has to watch forty seven minutes
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Speaker 21: of her Maasa's barbarous atrocities of October seven, and then
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Speaker 21: she should come on this show, on your show, Shari,
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Speaker 21: and she should have a debate with you and whoever
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Speaker 21: you want to bring on about what happened on October seven,
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Speaker 21: about the Israel Gaza issue. That's what we have to do.
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Speaker 21: We have to stop letting these anti Semitic ideas fester
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Speaker 21: in dark corners.
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Speaker 3: Of the internet.
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Speaker 21: We have to bring them into the light and we
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Speaker 21: have to combat them with the sort of truth.
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Speaker 3: What do you think, Jason, I'm with you.
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Speaker 22: I'm with you totally. I actually don't I'm not a banner,
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Speaker 22: not a banner of anyone, and so irony that we're
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Speaker 22: talking about banning people. We're bringing planloads of people in
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Speaker 22: on tourism visus at the moment who actually hate Jews
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Speaker 22: as well. So I think, you know, we've got to get.
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Speaker 3: A bit real here.
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Speaker 22: This is a distraction from the real issue in Australia
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Speaker 22: right now, and that is the people we are importing
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Speaker 22: into the country to stay here with obnoxious and a
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Speaker 22: borrn views. I think I have no problem with this.
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Speaker 22: I actually think she's a classic. She thinks she knows
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Speaker 22: more than she does. I think she's full of crap.
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Speaker 22: A lot of the time. She's captivating speaker, and I
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Speaker 22: don't think if she's any good, you'd knock a hole
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Speaker 22: through all with logic, and mostly the people on this station,
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Speaker 22: most people on talk radio, if they put their minds
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Speaker 22: to ward, knock a hole through because she's not that
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Speaker 22: good when put under the pump.
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Speaker 4: But I think the problem is, though, if she was
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Speaker 4: just coming here for a holiday, well it might be
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Speaker 4: a different story.
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Speaker 3: But she's coming here to speak to it.
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Speaker 22: Hey, the holiday people are coming here to live.
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Speaker 3: Well I know, I know, don't get me started. But
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Speaker 3: she's coming here.
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Speaker 4: To speak to huge crowds of people. Are these are
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Speaker 4: events that she's performing at and so her ideas are
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Speaker 4: dangerous and people do listen to them, and it's and
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Speaker 4: she's got millions of followers, and it's problematic.
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Speaker 22: Can I tell you, though, if you go digging into
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Speaker 22: who's bringing her out, I think you'll find that's the
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Speaker 22: same kind of group that's been bringing out a lot
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Speaker 22: of people that have never arrived here.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to have a look at that over
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Speaker 4: the weekends. Will follow that on Monday Nights show now
44:46
Speaker 4: very quickly. Australia's retail sector has been in a recession
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Speaker 4: for eighteen months now and consumers have cut back on
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Speaker 4: shopping in this cost of living crisis. Freya, this is
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Speaker 4: worrying again. We nowhere in a per capit recession as
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Speaker 4: it is.
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Speaker 21: I know it's terrible. I mean, real disposable income per
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Speaker 21: capita has fallen almost eight percent since the election in
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Speaker 21: just two years. I'm certainly feeling the pinch. I think
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Speaker 21: it's even worse for young people who are renters or
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Speaker 21: maybe first home buyers. It is challenging out there and
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Speaker 21: this is the result of Albo's radical left wing agenda,
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Speaker 21: cracking down on industrial relations, soaring power prices, interest rates
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Speaker 21: are going crazy.
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Speaker 3: This is the result. People feel poorer, Jason. This is
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Speaker 3: still the biggest issue ahead of the next election.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, people are poorer.
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Speaker 22: They're much poorer because life stood still for most people,
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Speaker 22: other than people in the public service that kind of
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Speaker 22: in the ABC to get the automatic pay rises. In
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Speaker 22: the real world, people stand still. In small business people
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Speaker 22: are going backwards right now. And look at the number
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Speaker 22: of shops that are empty, Look at the number of
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Speaker 22: businesses that are just not without customers. The shopfronts that
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Speaker 22: have got police signs up. There's a tragedy going on
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Speaker 22: in Australia at the moment, and I'll say tragically that
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Speaker 22: tragedy is being caused by government things like pushing up
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Speaker 22: power prices. They're looking for ways to kill us on
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Speaker 22: the run here and you know the last inflation figures
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Speaker 22: that came through. When you go through category category, you say,
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Speaker 22: energy is such a big contributor all these things going up,
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Speaker 22: and that's a big reason our life is at the
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Speaker 22: moment very much under test.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a huge issue. A right. Jason Morris and Freileach.
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Speaker 3: Great to see you both.
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Speaker 4: Go anywhere more questions tonight about our country is looming
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Speaker 4: energy crisis.
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Speaker 3: That's after the break welcome back. Well at first glance,
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Speaker 3: it seems.
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Speaker 4: Like Australia's Energy regulator has painted a more positive outlook
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Speaker 4: for the latest energy crisis. It's latest reliability outlook improving
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Speaker 4: compared with last year. To discuss that's bringing out The
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Speaker 4: Australian's Environment editor Graham, Lloyd Graham, Great to see you again. Look,
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Speaker 4: what is the risk of blackouts across the country this
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Speaker 4: summer and moving forward.
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Speaker 18: Well, good evening, Chari. The risk of blackouts this summer
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Speaker 18: is really apparent in New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia.
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Speaker 18: And while the Energy Regulator is saying, look, the situation
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Speaker 18: has improved a little bit, that's really sort of faint
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Speaker 18: praise or comfort because it's really on a knife's edge still.
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Speaker 18: What the regulator has really said is that over the
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Speaker 18: ten year horizon, if everything goes to plan, all the
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Speaker 18: government's ambitions are met on time, then we should be
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Speaker 18: able to carry through. But of course the problem is
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Speaker 18: that the government programs are never really met on time,
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Speaker 18: so the potential for the need for other sources of
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Speaker 18: energy to hold things together is still really great. For
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Speaker 18: what it means for people in the community more generally
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Speaker 18: is that the government is going to be very determined
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Speaker 18: to push through its programs. So the hostility we're seeing,
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Speaker 18: particularly in rural communities, to the roll out of transmission
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Speaker 18: lines and things as things get tighter, they're going to
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Speaker 18: be given less and less consideration.
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Speaker 4: Graham I also wanted to get your take as Environment
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Speaker 4: editor on the conflict this debate over the gold mine
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Speaker 4: in New South Wales, as far as you can see,
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Speaker 4: are there any reasons for it not to go ahead.
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Speaker 18: Well, the decision that was made was on cultural heritage grounds.
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Speaker 18: And this is what makes it very very difficult. I mean,
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Speaker 18: the boardrooms around Australia are alarmed at the rising level
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Speaker 18: of sovereign risk if you like, in making big investment
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Speaker 18: decisions and doing business here. And this is because the
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Speaker 18: Environment Minister has come up and said secret business can't
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Speaker 18: tell you what it is, but no you can't do it.
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Speaker 18: Very difficult needs to deal with.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, all right, Graham Lloyd, thank you very much
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Speaker 3: for joining me. That's it for me.
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Speaker 4: Don't miss Monday big show. So Richard, dear love on
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Speaker 4: Ailon Levy. I'll see you then.