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Breaking Down the Big Week 16 Games · Best of the NFL Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 2: What's up everybody?
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to move the six DJ and Bucky back with you.
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  Speaker 2: Buck? How heck are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 2: You have good Christmas? Nice little time with the Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: look yeah it was great man.
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  Speaker 3: The Colladay is always a good time to reminisce, to
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  Speaker 3: give gratitude and his press thanks and have everyone around.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great, great time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking about you because my present the the
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  Speaker 1: you know, we kind of as you get older, like
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  Speaker 1: you don't really need much. So my present that I
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  Speaker 1: got this year was a gift card to Ruth Chris,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, this is Bucky's dream, this is
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  Speaker 1: Bucky's dream Christmas right here. So you know, Bucky, you
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  Speaker 1: go ready post up. He's good to go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you like when you go to the Combine like
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  Speaker 2: that's that's it.
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  Speaker 1: If you ever want, if you're ever looking for an
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  Speaker 1: encounter with Bucky Brooks, you need an autograph, a picture.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you got some old Bill's merch you want to
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  Speaker 1: get autographed, Uh, Indianapolis Combine, go to Ruth Chris. You'll
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  Speaker 1: find Bucky posts it up there. It's a very good
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  Speaker 1: chance you'll be able to reel that in. All right, Buck,
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  Speaker 1: let's get to what happened last night. It's signed for
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  Speaker 1: the Monday night recap. We're gonna get into a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of these games. Where we got to start, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: with the last one of the week, which was the
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  Speaker 1: to me, the headliner. You can talk about the Chiefs
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  Speaker 1: and their collapse, that's a storyline for sure, but to me,
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  Speaker 1: the story of the weekend was the Ravens bullying the
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  Speaker 1: bully going into San Francisco and just beating the stuffing
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  Speaker 1: out of the forty nine ers.
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  Speaker 3: So here, here's the thing about the Baltimore Ravens Sanrancisco
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  Speaker 3: forty nine as matchup. It was hailed as the super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl preview, and if it very well may be a
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  Speaker 3: preview to what we see in the Super Bowl in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of February. But you know, I think the
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  Speaker 3: narrative coming in because San Francisco had kind of bullied
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  Speaker 3: so many different teams, it was almost as if we
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  Speaker 3: forgot that Baltimore has what two three decades of a
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  Speaker 3: bully ball reputation, that this is what they need to
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  Speaker 3: change and this is how they've always.
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  Speaker 2: Won their big games.
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  Speaker 3: And look, I made the mistake because I fully expected
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  Speaker 3: the Niners to handle the Ravens. I thought they had
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  Speaker 3: a more complete team in terms of like all facets
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  Speaker 3: of the team functioning, but that reputation and that mindset,
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  Speaker 3: like when you kind of challenge Baltimore, they're they're like
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  Speaker 3: three types of guys, right. They're guys that rumped from
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  Speaker 3: the fight, They're guys who reluctantly fight, and then they're
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  Speaker 3: guys that run to the fight. The Baltimore Ravens are
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  Speaker 3: the guys that run to the fight. So they embraced
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  Speaker 3: this kind of encounter. They embraced taking on the forty
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  Speaker 3: nine ers in their environment. They embrace playing a very
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  Speaker 3: physical style of football. And to me, I was surprised
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  Speaker 3: because I felt like the Niners back down. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 3: interceptions in the turnovers and all that played apart, but
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  Speaker 3: I felt like the Niners have always gone forward against
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  Speaker 3: so many teams, kind of imposed their will on opponents.
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  Speaker 2: But I didn't see the same vigor.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't see the same edginess against the Baltimore Ravens,
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  Speaker 3: because maybe they saw a team that would punch back
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  Speaker 3: unlike some of the other teams they face along the way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the comments after the
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  Speaker 1: game from Patrick Queen. I don't know, Drew, do we
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  Speaker 1: have that we have that audio on that.
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  Speaker 4: You play a brand of football and people don't want
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  Speaker 4: to play. Everybody want to be out here Q playing
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  Speaker 4: basketball on grads and stuff. I mean, we ain't with
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  Speaker 4: all that, so you could do all that stuff. You
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  Speaker 4: just gonna get in the mouth every play. Honestly, you know,
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  Speaker 4: get care of this by all the prettiest stuff you do,
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  Speaker 4: gammixed stuff is oute. We still have had a line
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  Speaker 4: of play football. You still going to get touch. So
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  Speaker 4: that's our mindset. That's how we want to come out
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  Speaker 4: and just hit people in the mouth.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you still got to get touched us. That's pretty
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  Speaker 1: app description right there. I mean I wish I wish
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  Speaker 1: you could bottle that up, buck and share it with
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  Speaker 1: your high school team. I wish college coaches listened to this.
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  Speaker 1: That's the message, like, Hey, the whole world, you know,
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  Speaker 1: from shoot from high school to college in the NFL
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  Speaker 1: has gone to it's a space and speed game. Right,
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  Speaker 1: Let's get out in space, let's get to our speed,
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  Speaker 1: and let's let them go basketball and grass, whatever you
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  Speaker 1: want to call it, and Baltimore said, yeah, it's still
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  Speaker 1: there's a time and place where you got to see me.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's gonna be physical confrontation. There's going to
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  Speaker 1: be physical battles, and as you met, they don't shy
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  Speaker 1: away from that.
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  Speaker 2: They never have.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought they were uniquely positioned to match up
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  Speaker 1: with this forty nine er team.
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  Speaker 2: And going back to the game, you.
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  Speaker 1: Could see it, Buck, You saw a lot of a
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  Speaker 1: lot of three deep stuff, three deep, four under, and
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  Speaker 1: then the middle of the field is closed and the
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  Speaker 1: forty nine ers live in the middle of the field.
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  Speaker 1: They live in the middle of the field with tight ends.
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  Speaker 1: They live in the middle of the field with their receivers.
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  Speaker 1: They like to get the ball to their backs. That's
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  Speaker 1: their their space. Now, brock Purty actually made some nice
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  Speaker 1: throws out to the perimeter, some of the better throws
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  Speaker 1: I've seen him make this year on the outside. Trying
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  Speaker 1: to adjust to that a little bit. They hit Kittle
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  Speaker 1: a couple times early and then after that they just
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  Speaker 1: kind of Baltimore just shut it down. And then as
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  Speaker 1: we always talk about on here, you love to say it,
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  Speaker 1: tips and overthrows will get you, and that was a
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  Speaker 1: big factor in brock Purty's four interceptions. I think both
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  Speaker 1: of these things can be true. And social media, it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to convey this message. You're not going to get
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  Speaker 1: it out in the character limitation there. But I still
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  Speaker 1: believe brock Purty should still be alive for the MVP.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody else has kind of buried him after this game.
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  Speaker 1: He had a bad game. He's still up there statistically
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  Speaker 1: with just about everybody. I think he's a really, really
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  Speaker 1: good fit in this system. He's played at a really
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  Speaker 1: high level. That can be true. The other thing they
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  Speaker 1: can be true is this team is not built to
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  Speaker 1: come from behind because brock Purty does not have the
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  Speaker 1: arm to be able to beat defenses when everybody in
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  Speaker 1: the stadium knows you're going to throw the ball. That's
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing about the Shanahan system. Everything looks the
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  Speaker 1: same you come off that he can diagnose. He gets
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  Speaker 1: to his reads quickly, He gets the ball out there
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  Speaker 1: with anticipation and accuracy when there's no threat of the run,
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  Speaker 1: When they don't honor your run fakes, the ball is
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  Speaker 1: going to have to beat the fenders. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: he's never had that big arm, didn't have that big
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  Speaker 1: arm coming out, and I tweeted out, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what you thought of it. My thing was when you
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  Speaker 1: saw Sam Donald go in that game, and I watched
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  Speaker 1: the watched it back this morning on tape. That's a
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  Speaker 1: different level. There's a reason why one guy was the
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  Speaker 1: third pick and one guy was mister irrelevant, not saying that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Brock's been a much better quarterback, much much
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  Speaker 1: better quarterback than Sam Donald, but when you're trailing in
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  Speaker 1: a game where you have to throw the football, Sam
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  Speaker 1: Garnold has his arm strength to be able to do that,
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  Speaker 1: whereas Brock Purty. I think that's a question mark that's
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  Speaker 1: going to hang out there.
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  Speaker 3: So DJ there's this huge debate right it exists on
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  Speaker 3: the Twitter verse. It started when Cam Newton talked about it.
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  Speaker 3: We've done our own version where we talked about trucks
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  Speaker 3: and trailers. Cam Newton used game managers versus game changers,
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  Speaker 3: and everyone was up at arms. But what it is
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  Speaker 3: is a very nuanced conversation is about the levels of
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  Speaker 3: talent that play the position, and there's some guys that
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  Speaker 3: have a different level of talent that makes them uniquely
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  Speaker 3: positioned to change the game based on not only what
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  Speaker 3: they can do inside the structure of the offense, but
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  Speaker 3: what they also can add. Sometimes that's athleticism. Sometimes that's
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  Speaker 3: arm talent, where you can change arm angle you have
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  Speaker 3: special talent like Matthew Stafford would fall in that category
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  Speaker 3: in terms of his arm ability. His arm talent is
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  Speaker 3: game changing other guys, everything has.
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  Speaker 2: To be right. The way you manage them, you operate
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  Speaker 2: the team.
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  Speaker 3: The way that you understand how to distributed and get
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  Speaker 3: the ball to the playmakers is that it's almost like
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  Speaker 3: having two different types of point guards, right, the guy
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  Speaker 3: who is the highest cist guy versus the scoring guard.
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  Speaker 3: Both are effective, both are functional, but there's a cap
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  Speaker 3: on each of them. And so when we talk about
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  Speaker 3: Rock Purty in comparison to Lamar Jackson in this game,
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  Speaker 3: you can see the ceiling on brock Purty when the
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  Speaker 3: team got behind and they had to play a traditional
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  Speaker 3: drop back style of the ball. Rock Purty doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: like the unique talents to the n say hey, I'm
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  Speaker 3: just going to will it with my arm talent, whereas
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  Speaker 3: a guy like Lamar Jackson it may be utilized his athleticism,
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  Speaker 3: his feet, his playmaking ability, his ability to extend the play,
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  Speaker 3: all of those things, much like Pat Mahomes and Josh
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  Speaker 3: Allen are able to do in their own unique ways.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's not being disrespectful to Brock or any
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  Speaker 3: of the other guys that fall into those categories. But
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  Speaker 3: it's a nuanced discussion talking about just the differences between
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  Speaker 3: the levels of elite in this league.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's again, I think it's a complex, complicated conversation.
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  Speaker 2: It's not all or nothing.
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  Speaker 1: It's not Brock Purty's the best.
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  Speaker 2: Brock Party is the worst.
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  Speaker 1: Rock Purty is an MVP caliber quarterback, and I do
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  Speaker 1: think if they win their last couple of games in
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  Speaker 1: Baltimore were to slip up, I think he's he's he's
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  Speaker 1: got a right to be in that discussion. His stats
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  Speaker 1: are going to be there. He's a perfect fit. It
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  Speaker 1: reminds me again, kind of looking at that Drew Brees
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  Speaker 1: set up when Drew Brees was rolling. That's that's the
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  Speaker 1: way Brock Purty's playing the game like Drew Brees. Drew
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  Speaker 1: Brees is not going to, you know, throw the ball
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  Speaker 1: through a wall. But his superpower was being able to
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  Speaker 1: see things, diagnose things, and get the ball where it
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  Speaker 1: needs to be, and that's that's what brock Purty has done.
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  Speaker 1: So anyways, it's a it's an interesting discussion Lamar. On
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  Speaker 1: the other hand, the stats don't, you know, blow you away, Buck,
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  Speaker 1: But when you're watching it, it's just at some point
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  Speaker 1: in time, it's just kind of like the eyeball test
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  Speaker 1: of my eyes tell me that he's different than everybody
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  Speaker 1: else out on the field, and he makes this whole
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  Speaker 1: thing work.
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  Speaker 3: So here's the thing about Lamar Jackson. Here's maybe why
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  Speaker 3: I slept on the Baltimore Ravens. Coming on the heels
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  Speaker 3: of watching the Ravens up close and personal, watching their offense,
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: it kind of reminds me a bit like playing the
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  Speaker 3: video game. Right, So when you're playing the video game
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  Speaker 3: and you have the quarterback and your quarterback is faster
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  Speaker 3: than everybody else, sometimes you just kind of move around
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  Speaker 3: and just wait for your guys to uncover, or you
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  Speaker 3: just take off and run. I feel like for Baltimore,
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  Speaker 3: that's kind of like what they have in their pocket.
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  Speaker 3: They're not using Lamar Jackson like he was used previously.
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  Speaker 3: They do on occasion, Yeah, they'll pull the zone raad
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  Speaker 3: to do some design quarterback runs, but a lot of
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  Speaker 3: his runs now are coming on scramble plays. And what
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  Speaker 3: that does is that puts a different pressure on the
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  Speaker 3: defense because now you're scared to play man and man
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  Speaker 3: because if he takes off, you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Explosive chunk plays on the ground.
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  Speaker 3: If you play zone, that's fine, But now when he
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  Speaker 3: moves around, how discipline can you be?
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  Speaker 2: The plaster the wide receivers on the perimeter.
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  Speaker 3: And in a way, he is doing what Pat Mahomes
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  Speaker 3: has done the last few years in terms of buying time,
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  Speaker 3: But he's doing it, I would say, as a better athlete.
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  Speaker 3: And so it now has made the Ravens offense dangerous
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  Speaker 3: and maybe more difficult to find, even though I would
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  Speaker 3: say schinmatically it's still very simple.
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  Speaker 2: But his ability to.
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  Speaker 3: Pick up yardage as a drop back passer as opposed
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  Speaker 3: to the primary runner changes the equation. It really flips
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  Speaker 3: the script for how defensive coordinators have to defend this offense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have a lot of different weapons, and
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  Speaker 1: they've never had this many weapons. And even when you
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  Speaker 1: have the injury to Mark Andrews that they've done a
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  Speaker 1: nice job of spreading that ball around. It's the best
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  Speaker 1: receiving corps I think that they've had for sure since
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  Speaker 1: Lamar's been there, might be the best receiving corps they've
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  Speaker 1: ever had there, So a lot of talent around him.
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  Speaker 1: One thing about the Ravens, They've won seven games by
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  Speaker 1: fourteen plus points this year, so they're not just winning
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  Speaker 1: their hammering teams and some good teams along the way.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's stay to a team that is very
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  Speaker 1: much in that discussion as the best team in football.
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  Speaker 1: The Ravens might have staked their claim, but the team
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  Speaker 1: they're going to see this next week at home, that's
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  Speaker 1: the discussion, and that's the Miami Dolphins. Coming off a
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  Speaker 1: big win over the Dallas Cowboys, got to have a game,
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  Speaker 1: especially when you look at the schedule. They go to
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  Speaker 1: Baltimore next and they finish up the season against Buffalo,
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  Speaker 1: so it is a very very tough road. The playoffs
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  Speaker 1: have already started for Miami, and they got a big
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  Speaker 1: one here against the Cowboys with that win.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there was a big win.
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  Speaker 3: It was a big win because these are two teams
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  Speaker 3: that we really wondered who could kind of change their
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  Speaker 3: style to kind of get ready to play for these
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  Speaker 3: pressure rized environments that they're gonna have to face coming
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  Speaker 3: down the stretch, and so the Miami Dolphins were able
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  Speaker 3: to kind of stay within themselves. Look, they're cute and creative,
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  Speaker 3: they do all this stuff, but they can run the football.
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  Speaker 3: And then defensively, they're becoming a much better team on defense,
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  Speaker 3: but offenously, it's the speed and explosiveness the weapons that
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  Speaker 3: they have on the outside, starting with Tyreek Hill and
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  Speaker 3: then going to Jalen Waddle and then all the speed
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  Speaker 3: that they have in the backfield. They can produce explosive
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  Speaker 3: plays in a variety of ways. And you saw down
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  Speaker 3: the stretch when they were down they had to have
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  Speaker 3: a two minute drive. It didn't mean that they had
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  Speaker 3: to throw it over the top is throwing a little
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  Speaker 3: quick pass out to Tyreek Hill. He makes two or
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  Speaker 3: three guys move, and a five year pass goes to
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  Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty yards in a hurry. That put tremendous
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  Speaker 3: amount of pressure on the defense because your ability to
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  Speaker 3: tackle in the space is going to be tested early
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  Speaker 3: and often, and if you can't get those guys to
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  Speaker 3: the ground, it makes for.
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  Speaker 2: A long date.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they have five guys with a catch over eighteen
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  Speaker 1: yards in this game, and when you watch it. One
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  Speaker 1: of the things that I wrote down when I was
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  Speaker 1: watching it this morning, the timing and the trust. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to have one without the other. Right and
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  Speaker 1: to a talk about Loa those bang eights that they're throwing,
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  Speaker 1: which to me is hilarious when you watch them. Tyreek
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  Speaker 1: Killbuck has to gear down like you want to hit
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  Speaker 1: that thing. You think about I think about our colleague
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  Speaker 1: Michael Irvin like kind of him and Troy Aikman made
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  Speaker 1: that round famous with hitting that skinny post, that bang
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  Speaker 1: eight where the back foot ball is gone. Tyreek has
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  Speaker 1: to gear down off the line and kind of pace
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  Speaker 1: himself because he's going to get to the top of
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  Speaker 1: the route too fast. But their timing is beautiful to
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  Speaker 1: a backfoot band ball's gone. You can't defend that. I
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  Speaker 1: mean you can speak to it as somebody who's played
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  Speaker 1: both positions corner and wide out. When you have that
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  Speaker 1: type of timing and a perfect ball and you have
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  Speaker 1: the speed and the explosiveness of somebody like Tyreek Hill,
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  Speaker 1: what do you do? What are you gonna do on that?
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  Speaker 1: And if they're not going to hit that, then they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna end up. He's gonna push you, and he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: curl up at about twenty yards after he's just poured
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  Speaker 1: on the speed to run you out of your pedal.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like, these completions are there anytime you want them.
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  Speaker 1: And I watched this tape right after I watched the
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  Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs tape, and that's another conversation we can
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  Speaker 1: have later, but it was it was so drastic. The
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  Speaker 1: difference between the offense is the space that the speed creates.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not just him, it's waddle. Cedric Wilson did
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  Speaker 1: a nice job in this game. Robbie Chosen got one
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  Speaker 1: for nineteen yards as well. You feel, you feel the speed,
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  Speaker 1: and when you combine the speed with the timing and
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  Speaker 1: the accuracy, I know the Ravens said, you know, everybody
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  Speaker 1: likes to play basketball and grass and we're gonna punch
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  Speaker 1: you in the mouth that when they play at the
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  Speaker 1: level that they played at when they needed it with Miami, again,
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  Speaker 1: twenty two points didn't light up the scoreboard, but when
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  Speaker 1: you need it, man, I'm looking forward to that matchup,
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  Speaker 1: fast forward to next week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Because the contract style will challenge the Baltimore Ravens in
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  Speaker 3: a different way than the San Francisco forty nine ers did.
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  Speaker 3: But what you talk about when it comes to Tyreek
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  Speaker 3: Hill and two a tongue about Lowell and Jaylen Wallle
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  Speaker 3: that bang gate. So you gave credit Detroit Aikman and
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  Speaker 3: Michael Irvin. I'm gonna take it back to the team
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: that you currently were for, the Chargers. So I came
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: into the league. Charlie Joyner who played with the Air
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: coriol Charges with Dan Fouts. Don Coriele was the head coach.
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: He was my first position coach with the Buffalo Bills.
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: He openly discussed how he and Dan Fouts could throw
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: that route blindfolded. He talks about the timing of the
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: route makes it where it's unguardable. If you look at
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: the dimensions of the football field, he says, you line
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: up in the middle of the numbers, You run to
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: the bottom of the numbers, which is the side closest
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: to the sideline.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: You hit that at.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: About ten to twelve yards, and you make an angle
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: where you should catch that ball twenty one yards down
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: the field, one yard on top of the numbers, and
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: it is unstoppable. Depending on the leverage of the corner,
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: and the compliment to that is the speed out.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: So the corner can never be right.
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: If you playing the band gate, they're gonna throw the
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: speed out on you all day. If you're hanging on
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: the speed out, they're gonna hit you with the band gate.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: And what you're seeing because of Tyreek Hill's speed, people
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: are afraid to press them. They're playing off to a
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: tongue about lawa throws on time and on target, and
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: it really has made this route unstoppable for the Dolphins,
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: and the speed that they have overall has made this
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: offense one where you can have a distributing point guard
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: to a tongue about la play at a high level
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: because his job is to get the ball in the
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: hands of playmakers, and those playmakers let it work. So
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: when we talk about game managers and all those other things,
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: it's not necessarily about that. Is the weapons around you
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: allow you to elevate your game, and your job is
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: just to get the ball to the hands of the
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: playmakers and get out the way.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: So I want to get to the Cowboys side of
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: this thing. You know it much has been said the
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Cowboys aren't beating good teams. Right, they beat the Eagles
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: and outside of that, not much. I actually left feeling
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: okay about this. You know, again, this is kind of
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: a you know, we'll see what the seating looks like.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: They're in the tournament, they're going to be in the playoffs.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: This is a this is a this is an impressive
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: showing for me. You lose by two points. Dak played
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: a pretty clean game. Now they heated him up. They
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: got some pressure on a Bradley Chubb, and that defense
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: with Vic Fangio did some nice things. But Seedee Lamb
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: you see him on the highlights here, six for a
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: buck eighteen. You know, they didn't run the ball, maybe
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: quite as well as they would have liked to, but
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I thought the defense hung in there as best they could. Again,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: you hold the Dolphins of twenty two points. It was
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: a you know, it's it's it's a two point game
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: against a really, really good team on the road. I
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: left this game feeling fine about the Cowboys. I think
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: they're still a very dangerous team once you get in
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. It's just provided they don't play the Niners,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: the one team they don't match up with.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: No, look, I think you should feel good about it because,
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: let's be honest, they had an opportunity. They were up
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: in the winning moments of the game. This is exactly
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: how Dallas probably wanted the game to play out. The
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: whole of the Miami Dolphins to twenty two points, that
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: is a win. This is a team that is capable
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: hanging at forty burgers on everybody. So if you're the
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys, you feel good about certain parts of it.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: But the running game, or the lack thereof, is a concern.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: We talk about Tony. Tony Pola immediately talked about the
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: slow start to the season coming off of that leg
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: and those things. You have to be able to run
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: the football when you want to in the postseason, and
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: so the Cowboys have to find a way to work
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: on that over the next two weeks to get ready
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: for the tournament. They have to be able to run
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: the football so they can't become so they don't become
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: a one dimensional team in the postseason. Look, it's not
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: necessarily the rushing yards, it's the attempts because the attempts
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: to low you still to utilize play action, still control
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: the game and dictate the terms to the defense as
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: opposed to being in a one hundred percent drive back
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: game where now they can play pressure or coverage and
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: they dictate to the.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Offense, no doubt. Let's get to this next one here,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Lions Vikings, Lions win. They win the division for the
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: first time, what since ninety three, I think it was.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: It's been a long time. You see it on the
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: screen right there in nineteen ninety three. A lot of
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: different ways they can go this. I would just say this,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: you know, Jamior Gibbs has been awesome. A couple of
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: touchdowns in this game. Eighty yards rushing, twenty receiving. Kirby
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Joseph had two picks this second year in a row.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: He's a young player, is twenty three years old. Second
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: year in the league. He had four picks last year.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: He's got four picks this year. Almarross Saint Brown goes
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: twelve for a bucko six. He just keeps doing his thing.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: To me, when you're looking at who's going to get
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: hired in these coaching cycles, buck one of the things
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: you know, you can look at overall success of the
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: team or the yardage, all this kind of stuff that
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: you're having on either side of the ball and leadership
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: and hear all these things. To me, if you're hiring
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: a coach, find out who's playing young players and the
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: young players are playing well. And I'm not just talking
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: about first round picks. I'm talking about getting guys on
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the field that are third, fourth, fifth round picks that
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: are productive because it tells me that you've got guys
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: that not only how to put a plan together, but
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: you got guys that know how to develop. That's like,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: to me, that's the ace in the hole in this
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: league right now when you don't have as much time.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Who are the elite teacher in this game that can
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: take what you give them and make them better. And
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: to me, Dan Campbell and that staff, and we know
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: a bunch of those coaches on the offense and defensive
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: side of the ball. It's not just one of the
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: other both, but they should be candidates because they have
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: got young guys on the field and they're playing lights out.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll I'm.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Gonna give a lot of credit to Dan Campbell and
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: that staff. That staff, there was a lot made of this.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: That staff is loaded with a bunch of former players.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: You think about Mark mnell and like Aaron le and
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn and so many other guys, Hank Freeley and
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: so many other guys that are working with them. So
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: those young guys done a really good job of helping
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: those guys grow from newbies to learning how to play
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: and crafting it. But DJ, I think it even goes
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: beyond that. I think if you're thinking about Ben Johson
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: or one of the other guys on the staff, I
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: think you need to dig into their personel department and
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: talk to Ray Agnew and some of those other guys.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Because the pairing of the general manager and the coach,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: we're now seeing how important it is for everyone to
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: be on the same page. Brad Holmes has brought up
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: bunch of like draft picks to the table. Dan Campbell
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: has been willing to take those young picks and put
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: them on the field, and that stuff has worked. And
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: we've talked about the need to have the synergy between
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: the front office and the coaching staff. If you're going
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: to be a draft and developed team, a draft and
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: developed franchise, everybody has to be on the same page.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: And when I look at the Detroit Lions and each
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: week we talk about the rookie output score and how
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: many of those times those guys have been on the list,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: and not just.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: The first rounders.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: It is a franchise philosophy that we're gonna play the
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: young players and everyone is on board.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: And the Detroit Lions have been rewarded for that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and on Almon Ross, Saint brown Buck and I
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: also look at that man, what makes him? What makes
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: him so good? So I went through and watched a
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: bunch of him this morning. A couple of things. You know,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: we talked about the strength, we talk about the toughness,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: you know, what he can do after the catch, but
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the spatial awareness that he has working in zone zones,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: and it sounds it's kind of one of those things
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: you see it. It's harder to explain. But if you
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: watch Cooper Cup and you're gonna say, what makes Cooper
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Cup great? And you can watch him putting guys in
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: a blender when they're in man coverage. To me, the
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: superpower is just that feel and understanding of making yourself
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: big and being a nice target to your quarterback. And
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: it's not like it's it's hard. It's hard to explain it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: But when you have a defender here and a defender there,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: instead of being at the sixty to forty line, like
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I'm sixty percent away from this defender, I'm forty percent
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: closer to this one, Like.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: That would be great.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: He is fifty to fifty every single time, like he
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: knows how to create the most space possible between defenders.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: And that's it's like a basketball thing, you know. I
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: don't know where the background is there, where that comes from,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: but he has an unbelievable feel working in those zones.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, DJ, We've talked about this, and we've talked about
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: building teams, and I think you talked about when you
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: work for the Ravens. You guys talked about smart tough,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: talk about instincts of instincts in those things. I think
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: sometimes intelligence football intelligence and what I would call booksmarts.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I think they both are underrated. And I think when
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: you have smart guys, smart guys have a tendency to
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: be able to figure it out. And I think for
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Amara Ras Saint Brown, if you understand the background and
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: the pedigree and having to learn all the different languages
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: and how mom and dad really pushed all of the
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: same brothers to learn at a high level, I am
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: not surprised that he understands how to figure it out,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: because smart guys can make the coach right. When the
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: coach is wrong, he may call the wrong play, but
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: smart guys understand how to figure it out. So when
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: you talk about the awareness DJ, some of that awareness
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: is the na field, but a lot of that awareness
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: comes from studying and understand where the holes are going
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: to be, being able to anticipate where the areas will be.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: So now you're on the same page with the quarterback
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: and Jery Goff has a comfort level and knowing a
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I can trust that this guy's going to be at
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: the right spot even if we get it wrong initially,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: he'll help me out. That trust allows golf to keep
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: coming to him over and over again in the clutch.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: So we can talk about toughness and physicality and all
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: those things effort, but man intelligence is an underrated aspect
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: to having a lot of success in the league. And
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I think amara Ron Saint Brown has that intelligence that
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: you're looking for football intelligence as well as booksmortes.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point, bringing up all the languages
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: that he learned too. I remember learning about that through
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the process and when he was going through the recruiting thing.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: His brother obviously play at standfard. It is a smart
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: smart family is a smart dude, and it shows up
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: on the grass for sure. All Right, they're gonna take
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: a quick break. When we come back, we're going to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: jump into some more of these games. It was a
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: great weekend of football. We'll get to some more of
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: those ball games right after this.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Back here with.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Bucky and Buck, we'll go through some more of these games,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: including a couple that we were at. We start here
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: with the one eye witnessed on Saturday.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Peacock.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: By the way, how was that experience? Did you get
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: a chance to pull up the Peacock app and check
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: that thing out book?
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I did get a chance to see a little bit
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: of the game. I was nice. You guys jumped out,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: the Charges jumped out. Yeah, it was different. It's different.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: It's a different experience. It's it's so many different ways
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: to consume football these days. You're just trying to get
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: your arms around.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a game. It was actually a fun
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: game to call. After the week before where the Raiders
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: ran the Chargers out of the gym, this was a
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: competitive game. Gift Smith taken over as the interim head coach.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I thought he had these guys ready to go. They
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: played hard, eastern stick actually for the second week in
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: a row, made some nice throws, use his legs in
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: this one, ran the ball pretty well. It was enough
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to show that I think he's a competent, capable backup quarterback.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: So happy for him on the Chargers side of things.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: But this is about the Bills. They're nine and six now,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: this is a team that now is in the tournament.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Just just need to handle their business coming down the stretch.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen didn't have a super you know, blow you
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: away game, but Buck the explosive plays were still there,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: and he found him through Gabe Davis and this one
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: who had been kind of missing in action, he had
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: him on a go ball. He extended plays, made things happen.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I think Joe Brady's done a nice job with this
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: offense since he's taken over. And one of the things
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I was thinking of is, okay, Josh. Josh has got
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a zillion touchdowns, you know, passing and rushing. He had
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: two rushing touchdowns in this one as well as well
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: as a passing touch and I think it's like an
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: eleventh game where he's had at least a one rushing
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: one passing touchdown, which is an NFL record. But when
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: we think about him getting himself in trouble with turnovers, right,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that's been the issue. So their vertical game, their vertical
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: pass game has been on the outside, take your shots
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: on go balls, double moves. Let him try and be
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: aggressive on the outside because there's no trouble out there.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: And then outside of that, you know, hey, use your legs,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: make some things happen. Try and get the run game
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: going a little bit. James Cook did fumbled twice in
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: this one. That's something he's going to have to clean up.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: But I think they found a way to still be dynamic,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: explosive without maybe putting the ball in as much risk.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: He did have the one pick, but that, to me,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I think is an adjustment from Joe Brady instead of
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: trying to jam everything into tight windows into the middle
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: of the field.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to know you personnel, and I think
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: knowing the personnel is knowing what the quarterback does really
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: really well. And what Josh Allen always has is his
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: unique superpower is his ability to not only run it.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Not only is superior arm talent, but his ability to
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: buy time and improvise and do those things. So it's
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: funny you talked about the one on one coverage on
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: the outside taking the goal balls, but DJ, how about
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: when he scrambles and takes the deep shot down the boundary.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: His ability to stress the defense as a dual threat playmaker.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: And so when we talk about game changers, like, I'm
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: not saying that every game changer has to have athleticism,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: but man, in today's game, when your quarterback is athletic
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: and can extend plays and buy time, it allows you
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: to put so much stress on the defense horizontally and
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: vertically because man, he makes them have to hang with
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: the people. You don't know if I stick with my man,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: do I go chase the quarterback? And then as soon
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: as I just kind of peek at him, he'll throw
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: it right over my head. And that's what Josh Allen
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: has been able to do. And in a league where
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: explosive plays typically leads to points, you have to be
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: able to generate those chunks plays and Josh Allen's improvisational
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: skills allows the Buffalo Bills to do it. And lastly,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: this is what we say Josh Allen didn't played great
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: most of the game. But guess what, man, when he
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: has to take it over, he has the ability to say,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: you know what, guys, I got this, I'll put it
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: on my back and I'll figure it out.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: DJ.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: That is what every franchise is looking for from their quarterback.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: You need a quarterback that can do that because it's
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: too hard in this game to always get the play
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: calls right. Sometimes you want your quarterback to be able
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: to erase some of your mistakes and make it look
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: good on the back end the game.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: On the line, Chargers go cover zero, they get pressure
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: on Josh Allen. What does he do kind of a
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Mahomes type move where he just retreats and buys time.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: That way, the Chargers miscommunicate the bunch and the release.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: They end up popping popping free. But if Josh Allen's
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: going to just hang in there back foot and try
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and throw it, there's nothing He's gonna get hit in
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: the back of the head. He does a nice job retreating,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: buying time backfoot makes an impressive It was a game
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: winner on the other side of the ball for the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Buck.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: You know, we talk a lot about the importance of
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: you know, winning quarterback play and can you get to
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the quarterback like that? That's the championship philosophy here.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: So tell me if you.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Think sacks are an important stat or they're an overrated stat.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: The number one team in the league in sacks is
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. The number two team is the Miami Dolphins,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: The number three team is the Buffalo Bills, the number
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: four team is the Kansas City Chiefs, and number five
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: team is Indianapolis Colts. I mean, these are all playoff
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: caliber teams with the top three Baltimore, Miami Buffalo, and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I would say even though Kansas City is not right
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: right now offensive, their defense has been pretty elite. They
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: have the capability of the ceiling of a quarterback playing
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: at a monster level for a three to four week
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: playoff stretch and a defense that can rush the passer.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Those are you know, especially those top three Baltimore, Miami Buffalo,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: those are super Bowl caliber teams.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, super caliber teams. You're talking about the Kansay Chiefs.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: But yeah, one of the reason while they're able to
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: hang in every game is because their defense has played
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: LIFs out. When you think about the Buffalo Bills and
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: the other teams that you mentioned, Miami Baltimore being able
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: to stat the quarterback well, DJ, this is a game
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: where we talk about negative plays, splash plays, as Mike
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Tomlin always likes to talk about, they changed the game
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: because when you hit the quarterback and you knock the
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: quarterback down, a couple of things happen. Not only the
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: negative yards from the sack, but it quick as the clock.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: A quickened clock leads to hurry throws, arrant passes. Those
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: passes eventually are tipped or overthrown. They lead the turnovers,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: and so it all works together. The pressure from the
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: front line, whether you bring in second level defenders, whatever.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: If you get pressure on the quarterback, it increases your
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: opportunity to get turnovers and to change the game.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: And you have to be able to do it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: And the teams that don't have the ability to knock
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: the quarterback down, you don't have a hard time staying
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: in the tournament for the long term because you're not
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: going to generate enough negative plays to win.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: No question. And that is a team flow that's done it.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: And the Baltimore Ravens there at the top of them,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: and the Miami Dolphins one and two in that category
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: are going to score off this week. Looking forward to
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: that one. Browns Texans Joe Flacco, he's rolling somehow. You know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the Browns are one of three teams still live for
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the number one seed in the tournament. I mean, what
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: a testament to how well rounded this roster is, how
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: dominant this defensive front has been. Jim Schwartz doing a
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: great job there on the defensive side of the ball,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Miles Garrett having a defensive Player of the Year type year,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: but Joe Flacco stepping in and not only saving the season,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: buck making them a dangerous team.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, making them a dangerous team.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: And look, I'll say this, Joe Flacco has been able
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: to make them dangerous despite having an issue with his
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: own turnovers, like he turns the ball over, but his
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: aggressiveness in the passing game forces you defend every area
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: of the field. It is loosen up the block that
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: teams had on the running game, because now you've really
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: got to back up because Joe Flacco will take those
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: shots and if you don't, if you're stubborn, he will
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: go to Amari Cooper over and over and over again.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Amary Cooper had over two hundred and fifty yards, maybe
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty five yards, some ridiculous number catching
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: the ball. And it's because Joe Flacco is willing to
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: let it go. And as teams are preparing for the Browns,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: they have to prepare it for a different version of
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: the Browns. And I'll be honest, this version is even
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: different than the version that we saw with Deshaun Watson,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: and so Kevin Stefanski has been able to aggressively use
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: back pages of the playbook to allow this team to
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: be more aggressive. They've scored more and with the defense
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: that they have, if they can put a fourteen spot
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: on you and allow Miles Garrett and company to begin
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: to harass the quarterback, the turnovers begin to come in bunches,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: and that's when they go from good to great.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: One of the things I love, I love when you
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: have an offensive head coach with a dominant defense, because
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: so many times when you have a defensive head coach
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: with a dominant defense, they tell the offense, hey, don't
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: screw up, don't turn it over. We're going to keep
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: the score down. We're going to win thirteen to ten.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Whereas an offensive coach with a dominant defense says, you
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: know what, our defense can bail us out. Let's play aggressive.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Let's go out there and chase points. Even if we
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: make some mistakes, our defense is going to be able
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: to back us up. Maybe they'll get, you know, force
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: a field goal, they'll get off the field. But let's
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: play aggressive because we can live with some turnovers. But
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: let's go out there and try and chase points knowing
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: our defense has our back. It's two totally different philosophies.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: But you know, I think back to you know, look
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: at it where the forty nine ers are right now.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Obviously they have a dominant defense and they've played that way,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: but you've got an offense and Kyle Shannon said, look,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: let's go be aggressive. Hey, if we make a mistake,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: we make a mistake, our defense will have our back.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I just love that combination in that formula.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Well, here's what I love from Cleveland Browns.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Like the offensive head coach being aggressive, defensive head coach
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: being aggressive. With DJ there's a toughness that this team has.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about the physical toughness. I'm talking
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: about the mental toughness to not collapse when you lose
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: all your quarterbacks to not collapse when you lose an
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: NFL Russian leader in Nick Chubb, to not collapse when
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: you have injuries on the offensive line, to not worry
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: about all that and to keep playing.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: This team has ten wins. And if you think about
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: the list of injuries and.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: You think about other teams around the league who have
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: offered up every excuse as to why they're not able
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: to be in the hunt and those things.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: To me, it is the resilience.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: It's the gritty mindset that somebody has said, Kevin Stefanski,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Jim Schwartz, it runs throughout the locker room that they
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: didn't collapse when all of us on the outside world
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: were like, ah, there's no chance that the Cleveland Browns
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: are gonna.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Be able to do it.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: They're like, no, they figured it out. And now in
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: figuring it out, they've become a team that's really dangerous.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I'm be honest with you, DJ.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: I know Joe Flacco is thirty eight, but this team
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: is more dangerous now than they were at any point
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: during the season.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: And I think when we kind of ask some of
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: these teams who we may.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Not want to face off with, I certainly don't want
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: to face off with the Cleveland Browns because the defense
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: is jit and as long as Joe Flacco is pushing
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: the envelope like he has, they have a chance to
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: knock off anybody in an AFC playoff field.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I always said this too. When you get
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: to quarterbacks postseason, it's about ceiling. It's not about floor.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: A floor can get you through the regular season. A floor,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: a high floor, can help you win double digit games.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: When you get in the tournament, it's about can you elevate?
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: And can you elevate for three to four weeks?
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: And that's what Joe Flack was already done the first
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl that he won, was he was this unbelievable
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: quarterback throughout the whole season. He was unbelievable for a month.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: That's all you need. It's about the ceiling. It's not
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: about the floor. I mean, you tell me if I'm
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: wrong there, Buck, But that's what I've always believed.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: No, because in the playoffs and as we get into
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: the playoffs and begin to have these discussions DJ, the
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: microscope then goes to the quarterback because the teams are
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: even now, it's all good teams in the tournament vying
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: for the title, and so the separating factor is the
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: level of the quarterback. Can the quarterback take his game
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: up a notch and lead the team in the offense
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: to higher heights. And so when we talk about Joe
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Flack on how he elevated doing that Super Bowl run
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: with the Baltimore Ravens where I think he had eleven
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: touchdowns and only one interception, and he may play after
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: play after play, well, that experience matters, and that experience
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: not only matters for him, but it matters for those
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: around him. We always talk about how the quarterback is
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: a force multiplier, and you and I have talked about
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: how the one thing that a franchise quarterback, a true legitimate,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: elite franchise quarterback, can do, he inspires hope. Well, when
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: they know that that quarterback has a higher ceiling, not
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: the floor, a high ceiling where he can do it
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: in a three or four game stretch where everyone begins
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: to believe that those Super Bowl dreams can become a reality.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no question. I'll tell you what.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: The Browns, it's going an interesting team if they get
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: when they get into the tournament and who they match
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: up with their former quarterback by the way, once upon
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: a time, the number one overall pick Baker Mayfield.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: He is with the Bucks.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: You got to see them, see them and him up
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: close and personal. It's been a little bit of a
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: free fall for your Jags on the call for those games. Buck,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: But let's start on the other side. First of all,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: here with the Bucks in the run they've been on.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, So here's the funny thing, not only about the
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: free fall for the Jags, but I think DJ every
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: team in the playoff field has undergone some kind of skid,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: right You think about the Buffalo Bills. I think four
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: weeks ago we were saying it was all over, like
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: they were talking about Sean McDermott and those things. You
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: think about. Philadelphia lost three in a row. San Francisco
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: lost three in a row, So that's kind of a
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: part of the deal. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, I think,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: at one point, lost six of seven games before going
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: on this recent four game win streak. So when we
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: think about it, that has to be a part of
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: your DNA and the teams that can hold it together
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: when they come on the other side, man, they're the
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: ones that have enough of that that grit and resilience
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: to know that, ay, we've been through the bad moments,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: we can get to it. And I say all that
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: to say that Baker Mayfield is the perfect quarterback for
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at this moment. All of the
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: adversity that he faced going from Cleveland to Carolina to
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: the Rams to now landing in Tampa Bay has made him,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I would say, a different quarterback.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: The quarterback that I watch on the field mature to
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: never lost.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: His confidence, but dj what he made was what I
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: call grown man. Plays fourth and short, having to scramble,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: He'll stick his nose in there and get it. They're
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: trying to pressure and people right in his face. Here
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: throws a dart to Mike Evans, and what you see
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: is man. When the team loves the quarterback, it changes.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: There's a genuine affinity from the Buccaneers players to Baker Mayfield.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: He's ingratiated himself to the team. He still has the swag,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: he's still super competitive, he has all of that other stuff.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: But to me, I feel like the winding Road has
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: kind of taught him how to be a better teammate.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: This is a dude that makes the Buccaneers dangerous on defense,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: they're high pressure, they come after, but the weapons on
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: the outside on offense, god winning Evans with Baker Mayfield
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: being able to get the ball out of his hands
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: in this version of an offense that was very similar
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: to what he ran in LA. Yeah, this is a
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: tough team to deal with watching it up close and personal. Yeah,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield and the Bucks are Hanfield. Yeah, this is
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: the best year of his career.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: You know, you think about the year he had with
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the Browns, his best year there, actually has the same
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: numbers as he has right now in terms of almost
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: identical in terms of yards, touchdowns, interceptions, twenty six touchdowns,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: eight picks. This was twenty twenty. This year twenty six touchdowns,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: eight picks, almost identical. That was sixteen games. He had
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: thirty five sixty three yards. He's got thirty five ninety
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: eight now, so he's still got two more games to go,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: so he's going to clips all those numbers. But really
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: playing the best ball of his career. And you touched
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: on the teammate thing, remember with Odell and all the
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: drama that existed there and how ugly that got towards
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the end of his time there in Cleveland, and then
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: he kind of goes on that interesting ride to Carolina
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: and then too the Rams for a minute. He's found
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: a home here in Tampa. And it also shows you
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the power of belief when you have the confidence of
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: not all your teammates, your coaches, even Jason Light when
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: he's gone on the record right when they brought him
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: into the building, they were elated and excited to have him.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: And I think that's helped him, you know, play loose, play, free, play,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: confident and kind of go back to the best version
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: of himself. So good for Baker Mayfield on the jag
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: side of things, DJ help me out here.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Barka's going on continue the thing with Baker Mayfield. And
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: this is why, because we're at a time where we're
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: so hard on young quarterbacks that were ready to throw
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: them off, and I think that Baker mayfield journey and
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: odyssey should be something for us to think about when
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: we talk about the twenty twenty one quarterbacks, whether it's
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Trey Lance or Zach Wilson or Max Jones or all
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: those guys. Like everyone is going to poor dirdenem and
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: think that it's all over. But how you handle yourself
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: after that first dismissal, man can go a long way
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: to determine whether you have not only another chance to
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: extend your career, but another chance to be a legitimate
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: high end starting quarterback.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield learned along the way, and it wasn't perfect.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: So there were some flaws there, there were some hiccups,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: But I am telling you that if you can get
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: to the other side, there's something to be said for it.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: And for eighteen, there is.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Value in kicking the tires on a high end quarterback
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: because what I can tell you field level watching Baker Mayfield,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: the first round talent shows up in the way that
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: he spins the ball. So now it's about taking someone
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: who has that kind of talent and putting them in
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: the right offense, the right environment, with the people around them,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: with the right set of believers to kind of puff
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: that confidence in them. You may get what you thought
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: you were getting when you drafted them. So all is
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: not lost on some of these young quarterbacks. Baker Mayfield
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: is a tale, a good tale that hey, you can
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: bounce back for some of these difficult moments early in
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: your career.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Well, stay on the quarterback, then tell me what's going
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: on with Trevor. You're there every week?
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: What are you seeing? Look?
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Man, when I look at the jaguarswe Here's what I
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: would say. DJ I just mentioned all those teams that
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: have had losing skis and all those other things. I
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: think what happens in those moments, the true character of
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: the team is revealed, and so no one is going
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: to help you get to the other side.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: You have to kind of dig down deep. You have
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: to be honest with yourself.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: You have to be honest with how you're playing, how
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: everyone else around you is playing, and then you have
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: to fix it. I will say Trevor is struggling, but
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: he's struggling not only because of his own things with
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: injuries and turnovers and look, a shaky offensive line, receivers
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: in and out of the lineup, all of that stuff
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: is going on. I would say that there is a
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: lack of confidence right now because you lost for in
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: a row and you're trying to figure out how can
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: you get a win. And it will turn around for
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Trevor and for everybody else when they just keep the
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: main things the main thing, just do the simple plays
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: really really well. So if you just say, hey, let's
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: just make sure we get out of the huddle on time,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: get lined up, run to play, make sure everyone knows
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: exactly who they're blocking.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Let's blocking, and then start stacking wins.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: For Trevor, I will say I have more admiration for
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: him this year than any other year because it's been really,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: really tough. But each and every week he asks for
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: the ball and he takes the start, and so there's
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: some things that he can clean up.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: The toughness is there.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Now, it's about making sure that you get the execution
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: up to the level so you can kind.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Of lead your team to wins.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: But he's doing with a lot of young people trying
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: to do He's trying to do it all.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: On his own.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: And once he kind of realizes less is more, let
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: me dial back, let me just stay within the framework
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: of the offense, let me make the simple plays to
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: routine plays. Then the other players will come and look, man,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: there's still two games left. They have enough time to
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: get into the tournament. A lot of it is can
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Trevor reset himself and then reset the team and get
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: them to believe that they still can go out and win.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: This is why you know, We've been doing this for
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: a long time. We've been friends for a long time.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Because you literally went the direction I was going to go.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Rookie year, seventeen starts, second year seventeen starts. This year
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: he started all fifteen games through a whole host of
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: injuries he's battled through this year. Just the ability to
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: post what that means to his teammates. To me, while
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: you might not be excited about what the building looks
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: like for Trevor right now, maybe there's some there's some
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: drywall that needs to be patched, maybe we've got a
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: little something going on with the roof buck, he is
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: solidifying his foundation with the organization just by posting, just
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: by going on out there and plan. When everybody in
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: that building and maybe not nationally, it's understood what he's
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: dealing with. You would know you're there each and every week.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: But to me, I think there is value and I
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: do think that pours more concrete in the foundation of
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: his career.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: DJ, Like we always talk about it, we come from
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: an era in terms of like scouting, where men a
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: franchise quarterback takes the ball every week. This is what
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: it is. Ben Roethlisberg and Eli Manning, Philip Rivers. They
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: take the ball every week. When it's not baseball, you
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  Speaker 3: don't do your lineup card, but when you fill it in,
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  Speaker 3: QB one is always there.
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  Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence has shown that he'll do that.
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  Speaker 3: Whether it's a knee injury, show the injury, concussion, he
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  Speaker 3: shows up every week.
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  Speaker 2: And so that toughness is there.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's about taking that toughness, that dependability, that reliability and.
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  Speaker 2: Just look helping him help others.
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  Speaker 3: So figure out what the quarterback does well, figure out
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  Speaker 3: what he's comfortable with, continue to talk to him through
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  Speaker 3: those game management situations and allow him to slowly build
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  Speaker 3: up his own confidence and the confidence of others. Well,
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  Speaker 3: if they get to the other side of this, if
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  Speaker 3: Trevor gets to the other side of this, it will
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  Speaker 3: unlock the potential of the team. It's doesn't matter. Are
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  Speaker 3: you tough enough to get to the other side. That's
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  Speaker 3: what everyone has to wait and see over the next
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  Speaker 3: couple weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, not where they want to be right
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  Speaker 1: now in terms of how they're playing, but just get
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  Speaker 1: into the tournament. And this is a quarterback. When we
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  Speaker 1: talk about ceiling and that's been kind of the word
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  Speaker 1: of the day. Trevor still has a very high ceiling.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully gets healthy, Jags get right, they get into the tournament,
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  Speaker 1: and we see the best of Trevor Lawrence once we
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  Speaker 1: get to the postseason. All Right, we covered a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ground on some big games today. I hope you
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  Speaker 1: have enjoyed this episode. I know you're probably asking, what
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  Speaker 1: the heck will you guys can talk about the Chiefs
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  Speaker 1: and the Raiders. Well, we save that. We want to
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  Speaker 1: have a little bit longer discussion on that one. We
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  Speaker 1: will have that posted for you tomorrow, so be on
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  Speaker 1: the lookout for that. All right, that's going to do
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  Speaker 1: it for us today and we'll see it tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Right here on, move the sticks
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  Speaker 1: You want to