Latest / Freedom Flip / How Elon Musk Works - The Book of Elon by Eric Jorgenson
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- 0:00All right, welcome everyone.
- 0:02So we have a new format here.
- 0:04So here's the deal.
- 0:05Peter loves to read books.
- 0:08He reads hundreds of books every year.
- 0:10He's a nerd.
- 0:11I have dyslexia.
- 0:13It takes me one hour to read 10 pages.
- 0:15So I don't read books, but I consume a lot of content.
- 0:19So we said, why don't I get Peter?
- 0:21And then he tells me about the books that he's reading.
- 0:24And then we can just go over the books.
- 0:25So Peter, all yours.
- 0:27Let's do it.
- 0:28So this is kind of my nonprofit to give back to the world who can't read books.
- 0:33So Pablo can't read.
- 0:34Let's go.
- 0:35This is an ultimate banger to kick it off.
- 0:38So this is The Book of Elon.
- 0:40The Book of Elon is written by Eric Jordanson.
- 0:42I have to open the page.
- 0:44That is Eric Jorgensen's signature.
- 0:47But then my five-year-old daughter wrote hearts all over his signature.
- 0:52That's good.
- 0:54This was one of his first hundred copies he sent out to people.
- 0:57I got to read it early.
- 0:59I've read a bunch of books on Elon.
- 1:00Yeah.
- 1:01I think they're all pretty bad because they get lost in stuff that doesn't matter.
- 1:07What's really fascinating about this book is if you want to know how to implement in your business or in your life, all of this is original content from Elon.
- 1:17So basically Eric was brilliant.
- 1:19He goes, why would I try and add my narrative and context and thoughts?
- 1:23Like, no, this guy is brilliant.
- 1:25Let me just go find everything he's put out in the world and slim it down with his own words.
- 1:32And this is what's so powerful.
- 1:34So these are quotes.
- 1:35This is not the guy.
- 1:37The entire book is quotes.
- 1:38Oh, that's sick.
- 1:39So if you literally go through, the entire back part is all the place that he made the quote.
- 1:47Okay, so it's all original content.
- 1:49So I'm going to start with just some of the dog-eared pages that were kind of the bangers that got me really, really excited or excited enough to dog-ear.
- 1:58Okay.
- 1:58And I'm just running through.
- 2:00So this is really interesting.
- 2:01All of his technical managers have hands-on experience.
- 2:06And for example, managers and software teams must spend at least 20% of their time coding.
- 2:11Does that make sense?
- 2:12Yeah, but go deeper.
- 2:14You can't – he goes in this deep where he basically – managers should always take care of their team before they can take care of themselves.
- 2:20The supervisor is there to serve his team, not the other way around.
- 2:24And I love this.
- 2:25It's just servant leadership.
- 2:27So he then puts numbers to it, and he basically says, you've got to spend 20% of your time as part of the team or serving the team with the work you're doing, of actual technical work.
- 2:38So the idea here is that instead of being just a manager that came from Harvard and has no idea about how to do shit, then he wants people that are able to do stuff.
- 2:50You can't have a job.
- 2:51You can't have that job.
- 2:52Right.
- 2:53You're right.
- 2:54So basically that disqualifies this person because they'd be like, no, no, no.
- 2:5820% a day of your week should be just getting down into the problem, doing the work.
- 3:03So I love it.
- 3:04He has one quote about hiring, which is one of the questions that he asks when hiring.
- 3:10Yeah, he goes in and I think, I don't remember exactly where that book is.
- 3:14Do you want to hit that now or you want me to try and find that later?
- 3:16The hiring piece.
- 3:17Okay, we can go later.
- 3:18And I think we'll hit it.
- 3:21This page has the second piece that I really like.
- 3:24So it says, always be smashing your ego.
- 3:28internalized responsibility.
- 3:30Whether you're a CEO or any other role, do whatever it takes to succeed.
- 3:34So he says a major failure mode is high ego to ability ratio.
- 3:40So how do you remember this?
- 3:43Ego, E, ability, A, and ratio, R, E-A-R.
- 3:48So what I think about is ear, E-A-R.
- 3:52When you have somebody who has these big ears, right, or maybe small ears, they're never listening to the other person.
- 4:00They're not even listening.
- 4:01They're just waiting to communicate how smart they are or how big of an ego they have.
- 4:06And so ego to ability.
- 4:07So Elon, I think, uses numbers for this, but you could say 1 to 10 ego, right?
- 4:12If I'm a 10 ego and a 1 ability, right?
- 4:1610 divided by one, that's a 10, that's bad.
- 4:20Versus if you were a five ego and a five ability, you're a one.
- 4:24So you want this low number in the ego to ability ratio.
- 4:29I love that.
- 4:30In the book he's putting all the quotes, does he say when were these quotes, what's the year?
- 4:35Because Elon went through major transformation.
- 4:38No.
- 4:39So he doesn't do anything like that.
- 4:41You can go back and you can source it to see, you know, on your own what time of day it is.
- 4:45But no, it's agnostic to time.
- 4:49I love that one.
- 4:49Ear, what else?
- 4:50Yeah, so Ear is interesting.
- 4:51He says, in AI terms...
- 4:54If you have a high ego to ability ratio, like a 10, what I said, you'll break the reinforcement learning loop, RL loop.
- 5:02So reinforcement learning, you want to have a strong RL loop, which means internalizing responsibility and minimizing ego.
- 5:10So I look at that as being in touch with truth.
- 5:13and trying to collect truth from anyone, right?
- 5:16There's famous stories about a lot of CEOs that realize, or dictators that realize none of the information they're getting is accurate, right?
- 5:23Because their ego's high, their ability is low, and people are just feeding them whatever they wanna hear versus the opposite, which is like, hey, my ego's low, my ability's really high.
- 5:35People are bringing me all the information because of that low.
- 5:38And I just think it's powerful as a reminder.
- 5:40We have two ears, one mouth.
- 5:42That's what he's reminding us.
- 5:44I love it.
- 5:44Keep going with another banger.
- 5:46So this is banger number one.
- 5:49So I'm flipping to the dog-eared pages.
- 5:53This is a really good one.
- 5:54If you punish people too much for failure, then they will respond accordingly and the innovation you get will be incremental.
- 6:02Nobody's going to try anything bold for fear of getting fired or punished in some way.
- 6:06If you expect innovation, the compensation structure must reflect that.
- 6:10the risk reward must favor taking bold moves.
- 6:13That's huge.
- 6:14And then he says, failure is a side effect of iteration.
- 6:17I once told a discouraged engineer, quote, if you can't tell me four ways you fucked up something before you got it right, you weren't the one doing the real work.
- 6:26Oh, I love that.
- 6:27So I wrote four ways wrong equals one way right.
- 6:32And this is a cool crystallization of like, to get something awesome, you had to try five ways.
- 6:39That is a great question for hiring.
- 6:41Of course, it's going to depend on what are you hiring people for, right?
- 6:44But, man, if you're hiring for a high position, there's no way that they didn't make mistakes.
- 6:50Spot on.
- 6:51And if they didn't make a mistake, that means that they were not doing shit.
- 6:54They weren't doing it.
- 6:56And he just drills down.
- 6:57You ask why 50 times during the interview on one project.
- 7:00And you ask what was the greatest project you were involved on.
- 7:04And if they really did it, they can know every detail.
- 7:07So the follow-up to the four ways wrong, one way is right, and the you want to incentivize bold.
- 7:13And I have a great person that works for me.
- 7:16And I told her, I was like, your biggest feedback, have I told you this already?
- 7:20The biggest feedback for her?
- 7:21No.
- 7:22You need to make more mistakes.
- 7:24If you're not making more mistakes, you're going too slow because you're looking for my approval and you're too scared of making mistakes.
- 7:30But your mistake ratio should be higher than what it is.
- 7:35So the second page off of this is page 122 and 123.
- 7:39It says, you will lose.
- 7:41It will hurt the first 50 times.
- 7:44When you get used to losing, you will play each game with less emotion.
- 7:48I love that.
- 7:49And that's so deep that it just, it removes that really hard punch in the face that kind of rocks you.
- 7:58This is interesting.
- 7:59This is why potentially many very successful entrepreneurs didn't do very well at school.
- 8:04I mean, we got the punch in the face.
- 8:07from the official authorities early on.
- 8:10And then most A-plus students, they never got punched in the face until they went out into the real world.
- 8:17And that really hurt.
- 8:18And therefore, I don't, I want to stop trying this thing.
- 8:21I was facing this with a conversation today with someone where I was offering a different idea and I said to them,
- 8:30Like they had an idea, I had a different one, and I could feel their emotion of being wrong, right?
- 8:35They were a great student, and they were stressed at the idea of being wrong.
- 8:38And Elon's basically saying, if you just get punched in the face 50 times being wrong, number 51 does not matter.
- 8:45WD40, it was the 40th formula, right?
- 8:4939 failures.
- 8:50And I think this is the key to drive that.
- 8:52I'm looking at the following pages, wasn't on the banger list, but I really like.
- 8:56So at Tesla,
- 8:58It says, what are the benefits of simplicity at scale?
- 9:01It says, at Tesla, the Model 3 body line in Fremont was only ever meant to make 5,000 cars a week.
- 9:07And it's now doing 7,000.
- 9:10We achieve that by removing things.
- 9:13We have been doing a lot of foolish things.
- 9:14We changed some of the designs and made them simpler and easier to build.
- 9:17Simplicity comes from hundreds of little changes.
- 9:20And he finalized that by saying, I look at every tiny part of each process and ask, quote, is this necessary, a process necessary, end quote.
- 9:30Yeah.
- 9:30So that's where his famous phrase of the best part is no part.
- 9:34No part.
- 9:35Or the best process is no process.
- 9:37Spot on.
- 9:38And I kind of, I called this a flip and I said, you do more by doing less.
- 9:43So like they went from 5,000 cars maximum that that building was made for to doing 7,000 by doing less.
- 9:49Yeah.
- 9:51There is another very cool story where the whole line gets stopped by something and then he goes like, hey, what's the problem?
- 9:58Well, we are waiting for approval from this other department.
- 10:01It's like, okay, call this person right now.
- 10:03Find the person.
- 10:04And then basically the other person was also waiting for the other department, which makes no sense.
- 10:09It's like, okay, what happens if we remove it?
- 10:11Well, we never removed it.
- 10:12Well, let's just try it.
- 10:14Yep, and he doesn't even work there anymore.
- 10:15Nothing happened.
- 10:16The next page, and I don't know if it shows up well, but it says your line, the best part is no part, the best process is no process, and it shows you cutting from 10 steps to three to one, and then it has the quote, the best part is no part, the best process is no process.
- 10:32And he summarizes.
- 10:33Go ahead.
- 10:34He also says that if you don't have to add something back, that means that you did not remove enough.
- 10:41Correct, and we'll get into that.
- 10:43That's his algorithm that's really powerful.
- 10:45Here, the second line, it's a lot of minimizing things that can go wrong and maximizing the efficiency of the simple things.
- 10:52And this happens so much, right?
- 10:53We create trade-offs or nice-to-haves that shouldn't be there.
- 10:57And they really complicate everything versus just cutting them out completely.
- 11:02So this is, I think, from Steve Jobs.
- 11:05I wrote down on page 128 where he says, it's easy to say simplify, but it's very difficult to do it.
- 11:12And that comes back to Steve Jobs as well.
- 11:15You know, you want fewer things, not more.
- 11:18Okay.
- 11:18So here's, here's the algorithm.
- 11:19So you, you went into this a little bit.
- 11:22This is powerful.
- 11:22So it says the algorithm I have.
- 11:25Share it.
- 11:25Peter, I think that a cool thing would be that for people that like to read the book, just share the page that you're reading.
- 11:31Okay.
- 11:32Great, great point.
- 11:33So page 130 has the algorithm.
- 11:36And I love this is I've become a broken record on the algorithm, but it's helpful to say it to an annoying degree.
- 11:41So I literally was just talking about this last meeting I went to because I just keep repeating it.
- 11:46And then the guy that works for me on this nonprofit, he points to the wall and he has the algorithm up on the wall and it's all five steps.
- 11:54That's right.
- 11:55So the algorithm.
- 11:57I have everyone at my companies rigorously implement a five-step process for engineering.
- 12:01I call it the algorithm.
- 12:03I'll list the steps, then explain the order is very important.
- 12:06Number one, make your requirements less dumb.
- 12:10Number two, try very hard to delete the parter process.
- 12:15Number three, simplify or optimize.
- 12:17Number four, accelerate.
- 12:19Number five, automate.
- 12:21Why?
- 12:21And the steps are very important.
- 12:24So question.
- 12:25Question.
- 12:26Make your requirements less dumb.
- 12:27Do you want me to tell you how I memorize the algorithm?
- 12:30Because this might help.
- 12:31Before that, I want to understand it.
- 12:33So make the requirements less dumb.
- 12:35What would be an example?
- 12:37I say... By the way, does he put any examples about that?
- 12:40That you can remember?
- 12:41Yeah.
- 12:42Yeah, I mean, he said this right after he goes, I've personally made this mistake of going backwards on all five steps multiple times.
- 12:49Many things at Tesla were automated, accelerated, simplified, and then deleted.
- 12:53One example was fiberglass mats on top of the battery pack.
- 12:57At one point, I was basically living on the battery pack production line because it was choking the entire car's production.
- 13:02Yeah.
- 13:02The first mistake was trying to fix the automation to make the robot better, to make it move faster on a short path.
- 13:08We increased the rate by 20%, then 100%.
- 13:10Then we tried to optimize the use of glue and drying speed.
- 13:13Automating was a mistake.
- 13:15Then accelerating was a mistake.
- 13:17Then optimizing was a mistake.
- 13:18Finally, I asked the battery safety team, what the hell are these mats for?
- 13:24Fire protection?
- 13:24They said, no, they're for noise and vibration.
- 13:28I said, but you're the battery team.
- 13:32So I asked the noise vibration team, analysis team, what's the mat for?
- 13:36They said fire safety.
- 13:38It was like being a Dilbert cartoon.
- 13:41I feel like I'm a Dilbert cartoon quite frequently.
- 13:45So we ran a test, a car with and without fiberglass mats and a microphone in both.
- 13:49No one could tell the difference.
- 13:50So we deleted the part, the mats, which deleted a step that required $2 million of robotics because it was just a big pile of nonsense.
- 13:57Okay, by the way, so these two, for me,
- 14:01It's extremely helpful because now I can see with a real example, what he means with the step number one.
- 14:07So there was, so the bottom line is there was for whatever reason, there was a request that was very dumb, made zero sense and made everything slower, more inefficient, cost more money.
- 14:20Yeah.
- 14:20So the goal is first to, okay, what, what, what of all the things that we are requesting here makes no sense.
- 14:27Let me show you.
- 14:27This is why the book's so good.
- 14:29So it explained the steps you said.
- 14:31I didn't know.
- 14:32You asked me a question, so I just started reading.
- 14:34The first paragraph after that was that little explanation.
- 14:38And then the next question after says, can you walk me through the steps?
- 14:43So now he goes through each one, and he says, for example, step one, you know, the first goal is to make the requirements less dumb.
- 14:51You have to start there.
- 14:53Otherwise, you could get the perfect answer to the wrong question.
- 14:56This step makes the question the least possible wrong.
- 14:58Your requirements are definitely dumb.
- 15:01It does not matter who gave them to you.
- 15:03Requirements, this is I underline because it's so right.
- 15:07Requirements from smart people are the most dangerous because you're less likely to question them.
- 15:15Always question requirements, even if it came from me.
- 15:18Everyone is wrong some of the time.
- 15:21Boom.
- 15:22Yes.
- 15:22I love it.
- 15:23How good is that?
- 15:24And it's so good.
- 15:25It says whatever requirements or constraints you do have must come from a person, not a department.
- 15:32You can't actually ask a department.
- 15:34You have to be able to ask a person.
- 15:36And the person putting forth the requirement must take responsibility.
- 15:39So I put a reminder of initials.
- 15:41Like I've heard him as a string is saying, I want the initials, each part of who came up with it, which I think is kind of cool as an idea as a business, because one, it gives me pride to be like, I'm on the muffler.
- 15:53I think we wouldn't have a muffler, an electric car, but whatever muffler equivalent is.
- 15:58But then it also, so one, it's a prideful thing.
- 16:01But then two, when you're questioning, well, we have an electric car.
- 16:04Do we really need a muffler?
- 16:06Oh, let's go ask Peter.
- 16:07His initials are on it.
- 16:09So it's kind of fascinating to tie it back to the individual over the department.
- 16:13Any questions on that one?
- 16:15No.
- 16:15Keep going.
- 16:16Okay.
- 16:16So that's number one.
- 16:18Number two, step two is, so it says if you're not deleting things back 10% of the time, you're not deleting enough.
- 16:26If you're not adding back.
- 16:28Yes.
- 16:30If you're not adding deleted things back 10% of the time, you're not deleting enough.
- 16:36So that's a pretty powerful quote.
- 16:38Somewhat illogically, people often feel they've succeeded if they are not forced to put anything back in.
- 16:44So that's a flip, right?
- 16:45I mean, and I didn't even mark down the flip.
- 16:48He's flipping it.
- 16:49You only succeed if you're forced to add things back.
- 16:53Because then you know you've gone enough on the deleting.
- 16:55Which most people would take it as a failure.
- 16:57Completely.
- 16:58And that's why they want to play it safe.
- 17:00And this is why...
- 17:03gas powered cars look like they look like, which is a clusterfuck inside.
- 17:07It's unbelievable.
- 17:08And then you go inside of a Tesla and it's beautiful.
- 17:11It's a spectacular machine.
- 17:13And so here's another example is at SpaceX, I would tell the team we are on a deletion rampage.
- 17:18Nothing is sacred.
- 17:19We will delete any remotely questionable tubes, sensors, manifolds, et cetera, tonight.
- 17:24Please go ultra hardcore on deletion and simplification.
- 17:28Yeah.
- 17:28we put immense effort into reducing mass.
- 17:31So when I hear that, all I think of is the engines, where they went from the first rocket engine, which was like a cluster of wires and tubes, and then you have the one, two, and three, and the third one's like barely.
- 17:42That's incredible.
- 17:43Yeah, a picture of something like that.
- 17:45So he underlined this.
- 17:46I underlined this one.
- 17:47The most common mistake for smart engineers is to optimize a thing that should not exist.
- 17:54That's a banger.
- 17:55Okay.
- 17:56And I think that also here is maybe what I would say is I don't have an engineering background nor an engineering company.
- 18:04And I think that it's for anybody else that is listening to this.
- 18:08This still applies to us.
- 18:09Yes.
- 18:10We are still making requirements that are dumb, so we need to find what those are.
- 18:15We are still overcomplicating things.
- 18:18Totally.
- 18:19Most of the time, when there is a problem, the default is to create something new.
- 18:25So we end up...
- 18:27We will never end up having zero problems.
- 18:30We always keep going to have, that means that we are growing.
- 18:34So then if you are adding something, by the way, is that a must to add that thing?
- 18:40Or maybe we need to change something that we are doing, or maybe we need to delete something that we are already doing.
- 18:44And when you look at the greats, the Dysons, the Elons, the Steve Jobs, a lot of these people, they were all masters of deleting, not adding.
- 18:53And I think that the miscalculation we make is to think we can have everything versus the reality is the solution is it's a tradeoff, right?
- 19:05You don't have a solution.
- 19:07You have tradeoffs.
- 19:08And to think of the solution as just trade-offs solves all your problems, right?
- 19:12By elevating one, I'm hurting the other one.
- 19:15So he said that this is really deep combined with this algorithm.
- 19:20He said, everyone was trained in high school and college to answer the question in front of them.
- 19:26It's covert logic.
- 19:27You can't tell the professor, professor, your question is dumb.
- 19:31You have to answer the question.
- 19:33Without knowing it, almost everyone has this mental stray jacket on.
- 19:37They'll work on optimizing a thing that should simply not exist.
- 19:41And above that, I wrote, it's a flip and it's a question the question.
- 19:46And this is what I started noticing.
- 19:47You get these really brilliant guys question whether or not the questioner has the right question.
- 19:54They hit it on the head.
- 19:55They're like, I think what you're trying to ask is X.
- 19:59not why.
- 20:00And the question will be like, yeah, yeah, actually that is what I'm curious about.
- 20:04But we were never trained that in our education and in modern day education.
- 20:08So this is a muscle that we don't have a bicep and we're trying to do bicep curls.
- 20:13So we have to build this muscle.
- 20:15And I think it feels rude when I think about my own, like it's challenging to do because you feel like you're rude, but once you start doing it, you realize it's a goldmine.
- 20:24Okay, can I tell you how I remember the algorithm?
- 20:27You ready for a bing or a way to remember?
- 20:28Okay.
- 20:29So we hit hard on school and, you know, blah, blah, blah, and, you know, how this kind of ties to people that are maybe good at school or bad at school in different ways.
- 20:41So I memorized it as two Ds.
- 20:44So the D students are the start.
- 20:47So, like, let the D students start, which is doubt,
- 20:52and then delete.
- 20:54And then once you've let the D students do their beautiful artwork, then you can bring in the A students to finish the process.
- 21:03So like Pablo and Peter, your D students start with doubting, like, why do I need to do this?
- 21:07I don't think we need this part.
- 21:09I don't think this should exist.
- 21:11I don't even want this business.
- 21:13delete or doubt all of it after you've doubted these questions of like, well, we need this.
- 21:19I'm a PhD.
- 21:20I'm a CPA.
- 21:22Just doubt it.
- 21:23Then you delete.
- 21:25So now it's like, no, trash, trash, trash, trash, trash.
- 21:28Okay.
- 21:28So you brought in the D students, Peter and Pablo, D and D. Now you open the door for the final three steps, which are A.
- 21:35The first one, the third one is add back.
- 21:38So you want to add back 10%.
- 21:41The fourth one is accelerate.
- 21:44And the final one is automate.
- 21:46And I'm literally building a software business right now.
- 21:48And we had to use this process because we were trying to do 100% automation.
- 21:54And we kept hitting our heads against the wall.
- 21:56So then we used a low-cost person...
- 21:59overseas outside of America to do the one task we couldn't automate.
- 22:03And it's working so well.
- 22:05So when you say Accelerate as well, Elon, what does he mean with that?
- 22:09Do you have an example there?
- 22:11Yeah.
- 22:13Let me check.
- 22:14I don't know if he mentions specifically in the algorithm section on Accelerate.
- 22:18Or maybe you can butcher it.
- 22:20It's fine.
- 22:20I mean, a lot of times, so I'm flipping forward a couple of pages.
- 22:23He does say stuff like
- 22:26the best offense and defense is speed.
- 22:28The SR-71 Blackbird is a military plane with almost no defense except acceleration.
- 22:33It was never shot down, not even once.
- 22:35Over 3,000 miles, missiles were shot at the SR-71 Blackbird and none hit it.
- 22:40All it did was go faster.
- 22:42The power of speed is underappreciated as a competitive factor.
- 22:45And he calls this the rate of innovation, which I consider ROI.
- 22:50I think all of that is really what he's driving is
- 22:53Accelerating is you want to bring in machinery.
- 22:56So, for example, in a recent interview, he said, you can't use 3D printers to do rocket parts because it's not fast enough at scale.
- 23:03So, you know, accelerating is the step before you do a full automation.
- 23:10And so it just means cycle time, speed, how quickly you can pump out this piece.
- 23:15And software, which I'm not familiar with, you just think about it doesn't mean it's – if it's 95% automated or accelerated, awesome.
- 23:24That's the goal.
- 23:26Okay, cool.
- 23:27Okay, so next question to question, we went optimize the thing that should not exist.
- 23:31And then automate.
- 23:32Yeah.
- 23:33So D, D, A, A.
- 23:35D, D, A, A, A. Oh, three A's.
- 23:38Three A's.
- 23:39So you have add, accelerate, automate.
- 23:41Oh, you're right.
- 23:42Yes.
- 23:43And it's an easy way to remember it because think about it.
- 23:44The A students will jump in to just let's automate the whole thing.
- 23:49It's the D students that are like a little bit lazy.
- 23:52They're like, I think you're full of it.
- 23:54Like, I don't think you're right.
- 23:55I don't really want to do this, which is me.
- 23:58Like, that's how I would approach it.
- 24:01And not to say I'm Elon, but it's like Elon summarized a process that I think a lot of successful people do.
- 24:07He's obviously the greatest.
- 24:08Love it.
- 24:09Okay, what else?
- 24:11Other banger.
- 24:12Yeah, let's go other bangers, then we'll come back to the individual ones.
- 24:16So on page 190, he says, people often believe things inversely proportional to the evidence.
- 24:22It's so strange.
- 24:24Given a set of explanations, why pick the extremely unlikely one?
- 24:28So I thought that was interesting.
- 24:31For me, I think that hits deep in a book I was reading today where we really should believe in the bizarre, but we're actually, you know, stuck and we're stuck with the familiar.
- 24:45So, like, it doesn't matter how much new information.
- 24:47So, like, right now, you and I have been in full self-driving.
- 24:51But people don't care how many times they hear like, the car saves you nine times less likely to die.
- 24:57They're stuck with their own belief based on, well, I've always driven a car, so I'm always gonna drive a car, right?
- 25:02And this is gonna age well.
- 25:04But right now, I took two people after dinner last night in my full self-driving vehicle, and they were like, no, no, no, I'm just gonna drive my truck.
- 25:11I got my F-150 Ford truck.
- 25:13And I was like, yeah, no, you should do full self-driving.
- 25:16And it's wild to see how much we hang on to our belief, even though evidence, knowledge, all these things start pointing a different way.
- 25:26So he said, an example of this, we create as much fresh water.
- 25:30We could create as much fresh water as we want.
- 25:32Earth is mostly water.
- 25:34We should call Earth water.
- 25:36It's 70% water by surface area.
- 25:39Like, I think that's just a fascinating flip to realize, like, that's what we are as a planet.
- 25:43And also as a body, I think we're like 70% water.
- 25:46Yeah.
- 25:46Okay.
- 25:47Okay.
- 25:48Next.
- 25:48Let's see what other bangers we got.
- 25:51Well, let me ask you a question.
- 25:52Maybe, maybe you remember this.
- 25:54If you have to think of like, okay, what are the top five things from this book?
- 25:59And by the way, you, you may already have mentioned a couple of them.
- 26:03Yeah, I think let me, I don't have, I don't have five off the top.
- 26:06And that's, that's the reason I like summarizing or going back through.
- 26:09Like I reread my favorite books a lot because I can't remember it like that.
- 26:14The algorithm is number one by far and away.
- 26:17If there's only one thing you can take away, take the algorithm because it applies to everything in your life, especially now that bots are real and AI and we're start automating a lot of, we could automate things in our life is crazy.
- 26:30But I got one more page of that banger that I see.
- 26:33So this hits so deep.
- 26:35Start before the world is ready.
- 26:37We say things we believe in, even when sometimes those things we believe are delusional.
- 26:42So when building a radically new product, people don't know that they want it yet because it's not in their scope.
- 26:48Around 1946 to 1948, when they first started making TVs, they did a famous nationwide survey.
- 26:56Will you ever buy a TV?
- 26:58Right.
- 26:58So TVs are brand new.
- 26:59Guess what percentage of people said, no, they will not own a TV?
- 27:0490.
- 27:0496%.
- 27:07Yeah.
- 27:08And I think that's so powerful to realize.
- 27:12And he said, in the beginning of Tesla, no one told us they want an electric car.
- 27:16I heard that zero times.
- 27:19If you need encouragement, don't start a company.
- 27:21Okay, that's a great one.
- 27:23If you need encouragement, don't start a company.
- 27:26That is an incredible one.
- 27:28Yeah.
- 27:29Yeah, I think it is deep.
- 27:30Especially because nowadays we are living in a world where tons of people can be solopreneurs.
- 27:36But to me, there is a big difference between being a solopreneur and starting a company.
- 27:41Yeah, solopreneur is just you have a job, you're self-employed with a job.
- 27:47Exactly.
- 27:49In almost all cases, it's just a job where you are the boss, which arguably is more stressful in certain scenarios, right?
- 27:55Because you're dealing with everything and you don't have a team.
- 27:58Yeah, you might be able to manage your own time.
- 28:00You might be able to decide, I'm not going to work today or Wednesday, or I'm going to stop working at 1 p.m., which you most likely won't be able to do that if you work in an office.
- 28:09Yeah.
- 28:10But as you are saying, it comes with a lot of
- 28:14potential downsides, which is, well, you need to take care of a lot of admin and a lot of things.
- 28:19And also your salary is not guaranteed because you need to be chasing for the salary.
- 28:24So I think that it's a very, and the reason why I'm saying this is because I see a lot, especially with the boom of YouTube and all these influencers that make it sound so easy and so cool to have a business.
- 28:38I think that it's very important to really pause for a second and to recognize, even if you have a business and you're making $3,000 a month or $5,000 a month as a solopreneur or $10,000 a month, is that what you really want?
- 28:52Is that...
- 28:54Because it gets hard.
- 28:56Do you want to scale it?
- 28:57Do you want to hire people?
- 28:59Do you want to now become a real company?
- 29:01Do you really need encouragement?
- 29:03Yeah, it's interesting.
- 29:04I don't know that I have as strong of thoughts in terms of – I do think you've got to be incredibly self-motivated to not be distracted in today's world and to focus on it.
- 29:14It leads into the cool page.
- 29:15The next one after the car, 96% of people said they'll never own a TV.
- 29:20You will never buy a TV.
- 29:23The next page says create more than you consume.
- 29:25And it's kind of getting to somewhat of a similar area where it's growing the pie, right?
- 29:32People, and he says this great quote, I put a lot of stock in having a grow the pie mindset, not a zero sum mindset.
- 29:40When I see people, even smart people with bad attitude or doing things that seem morally questionable, it's often because they have a zero sum mindset.
- 29:49Those who believe the pie is fixed believe the only way more pie, to have more pie, is to take someone else's pie.
- 29:55This is obviously false.
- 29:58And I think when he said this in a deep way, he tied this to politicians, right?
- 30:03So a lot of politicians, they've never built a business.
- 30:06They've never created more than they consume.
- 30:09So really, they're just trying to take from others, right?
- 30:11And that's regardless of your political leanings, right?
- 30:13Left, center, I don't care.
- 30:16It's the government's role is to take from those that are creating, right?
- 30:20And then they reallocate it.
- 30:21And hopefully they reallocate it not to their friends, but in a good way and blah, blah, blah.
- 30:26But that becomes a complicated piece.
- 30:29So I thought that was a pretty big banger of this create more than you consume.
- 30:32And he has a cool chart on page 43 of showing that.
- 30:36I do like work like hell because I am wired for war.
- 30:41So they said, why don't the world have more Elon Musk?
- 30:45And he goes, if you think you want to be me or do things I've done, I would say you're probably mistaken.
- 30:50Long periods of my life have been painful and difficult.
- 30:52I'm not sure people would want to go through that.
- 30:55The amount I torture myself is next level.
- 30:58You need to have some kind of rage demon in your skull that drives you.
- 31:03It's also very cool to see in the history of Elon that as soon as things start kind of like working out and things start...
- 31:12going great, he just creates the next, what we would call hell.
- 31:19He creates some hell for himself, but man, he just keeps breaking to new levels and new levels and new levels.
- 31:27It's extraordinary to see.
- 31:29Now, I want to come back for one second about create more than you consume.
- 31:33I think that that applies to everyone, 100% of people.
- 31:35Yeah.
- 31:37And I think that this is it's really a big problem in nowadays in society where there's no I don't really understand how so many people in the U.S. have no savings.
- 31:48And it's just constant consumption, consumption, consumption.
- 31:52And I think that this is something that is very, very important for people to to really wrap their heads around and to understand that they're not going to end up in a good way if they consume more than they create.
- 32:03Yeah, I think the deeper way I would look at that is what Elon is saying here is he has all the money in the world.
- 32:10Spending that money isn't creating more happiness, peace, excitement for him.
- 32:16It's actually creating more than he could consume in terms of products, wealth, whatever.
- 32:23And it's kind of like it sounds like bullshit because for some reason our brains are convincing ourselves if we spend more money to solve our problems, we'll be happier or peaceful.
- 32:31That's not true.
- 32:32It's actually by solving the problems, by creating solutions to problems for ourselves and others that that creates the peacefulness and happiness is what I'm reading him as stating, which is a flip.
- 32:44He said on the work, you must be extremely tenacious, work like hell.
- 32:48You have to put in 80 to 100-hour weeks every week.
- 32:51This will improve your odds of success.
- 32:53Do the simple math.
- 32:54Somebody else is working 50 hours a week and you're working 100.
- 32:57You'll get twice as much done in a year.
- 32:59If other people are putting in 40-hour work weeks and you're putting in 100, what takes them a year you will achieve in four months.
- 33:06Yeah.
- 33:07Nobody ever changed the world on 40 hours a week.
- 33:11Boom.
- 33:12Truth.
- 33:13Now, that doesn't mean that you cannot have a quote unquote balanced life, be able to chill.
- 33:19But if you are wired for war and if you want to do something massive, you have to be insane like Elon.
- 33:27You have to be able to work all the time.
- 33:29And yeah, I don't really think that, let's just forget about Elon for one second, but Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos or Michael Dell or the Microsoft guys or the Google boys.
- 33:42These guys were working all the time.
- 33:44Now you may see them in their private island, but they were working all the fucking time.
- 33:49Yeah, it's deep.
- 33:50I'm flipping forward to kind of his next section, which is Seek the Nature of the Universe.
- 33:56Yeah.
- 33:57So he says, this is the foundation of my philosophy.
- 34:00I am curious about the nature of the universe.
- 34:04So if we date civilization from the first written language, it was only about 5,000 years ago.
- 34:08This is practically no time at all.
- 34:10Future humans will think of us as ancient ancients like cavemen.
- 34:15So deep.
- 34:16And then I highlighted two other paragraphs in this section where he says,
- 34:22Basically, mostly hydrogen, though, that over a long period of time, 13.8 billion years, that hydrogen became sentient.
- 34:29So basically, the evolution of humans.
- 34:31And he says, what I think Douglas Adams was saying in his book, The Hitchhiker's Guide to Galaxy, on page 51, is, quote, the universe is the answer.
- 34:41We need to figure out what questions to ask about what to – we need to figure out what questions to ask about –
- 34:50the answer that is the universe.
- 34:52The question is the hard part.
- 34:54And if we can properly frame the question, then the answer, relatively speaking, is easy.
- 34:59And it ties back, actually, to we are taught to just answer whatever question is given to us rather than thinking about the questions.
- 35:07And I think that's really, that's a powerful shift in terms of, you know, how we think.
- 35:13His next section, Think Like a Physicist, you know, he pushes this whole...
- 35:18You know, physics is law, everything else is opinions, which is a cool... Oh, I love this.
- 35:24Let's go deep in this one.
- 35:25Yeah.
- 35:27If the reasoning fits and if you're not violating the laws of physics, that's the things you should try and do.
- 35:33These things just don't seem that crazy to me.
- 35:36So a lot of people say, Elon, you're crazy, or Peter, probably you're crazy with a new idea.
- 35:42But that's because they're constrained by just looking at how we currently operate and they're comparing themselves to the herd or the current way.
- 35:49What Elon's saying is only use physics as your constraints of variables.
- 35:54And everything is just a lack of creativity or it just hasn't been solved yet, right?
- 35:58And if it's a problem you want to solve, like he said, then go do it.
- 36:03He said the next page with page 54 is obsess over the truth.
- 36:07Start somewhere, then be prepared to question your assumptions, fix what you did wrong and adapt to reality.
- 36:13So he said, I am obsessed with the truth, obsessed.
- 36:16If you're going to come up with a good solution, the truth is really, really important.
- 36:21So just a question here or a statement, tell me if I'm getting it wrong.
- 36:25Most people when it's like, hey, why don't we do reusable rockets?
- 36:29Well, because that's just not how it works.
- 36:31I mean, this is impossible.
- 36:33And then what he says is like, well,
- 36:35Tell me what law of physics we are going to be breaking by doing a reusable rocket.
- 36:43I said, none of that?
- 36:44Oh, then it's possible.
- 36:47We can do it.
- 36:48We can do it.
- 36:49Spot on.
- 36:50Another example just came out.
- 36:51Bill, old Billy Gates, the founder of Microsoft, was visiting him in Austin with him and his engineers.
- 36:58This was like months ago.
- 36:59And Bill Gates was like, you can't, electric semi-trucks can't exist.
- 37:05And Elon was like, I was so confused because this is a guy who should be an engineering science-based mind.
- 37:10And so we were like, what do you mean it can't exist?
- 37:13And he's like, they can't exist.
- 37:14And he couldn't give us a reason with physics why it couldn't exist.
- 37:17And then we pulled out one of our semi trucks that's fully operational.
- 37:21And we said, Pepsi is using these two day to deliver drinks.
- 37:25So I think that's an example of this.
- 37:27You know, he has a cool depiction on page 55.
- 37:30Physics is law.
- 37:32Everything else is a recommendation.
- 37:34So I think this is powerful.
- 37:35And I think this is like the cool autistic side of him of like, I don't care that everyone hates me or someone's mad at me.
- 37:41Like, I'm a friend of truth.
- 37:44As long as I'm on the side of truth, it'll work out in time.
- 37:47Even if old Billy Gates says I'm an idiot or wrong, it just doesn't really matter.
- 37:51I love that.
- 37:53So the next page I really get excited about, page 58, goes into first principles thinking.
- 37:58Yeah.
- 37:59So I mentioned this a little bit, but he said, the normal way we conduct our lives is reasoning by analogy.
- 38:07That means we do something because it's similar to something else or what other people are doing.
- 38:12So in my notes, I wrote parents, friends, our tribe.
- 38:15And in most of life, we should reason by analogy.
- 38:19Otherwise, mentally, you wouldn't be able to get through the day.
- 38:21It would be too much thinking.
- 38:24So basically, we just...
- 38:26We optimize for this similarity or analogy, right?
- 38:29So like, that looks like what my dad did.
- 38:32So I'm going to do it.
- 38:34That looks like how my mom did it.
- 38:37And really, it reminds me of the old quote where it says, an old fish swam by two young fish.
- 38:42And the old fish said, how's the water, boys?
- 38:44And the two young fish said, what's water?
- 38:47And it's like, we don't even realize that we are these young fish that live all of our decisions by analogy, rather than by a first principles thinking, which is what Elon's recommending here.
- 38:57So first principle thinking is incredible.
- 39:00But does he go in depth to explaining how he does it, what it is?
- 39:04Dude, this is why this is one of your favorite books.
- 39:06So the next page, page 59.
- 39:09How have you applied first principles thinking to building companies?
- 39:12Here's an example from early in building Tesla.
- 39:15People said battery packs were too expensive to make cheap electric cars.
- 39:19They assumed they would always be expensive because they had been in the past.
- 39:24That's pretty dumb.
- 39:26If you applied that reasoning to everything new, then you would never try anything new.
- 39:32Okay.
- 39:33Nobody wants a car.
- 39:34Horses are great.
- 39:36We're used to them.
- 39:37They can eat grass.
- 39:38There's lots of grass all over the place.
- 39:40There's no gasoline available.
- 39:42So people will never buy gas cars.
- 39:44People did say that a lot.
- 39:47So I wrote as a line below that paragraph, where is the puck going?
- 39:52And I think that's a really deep way to think about not where are we today,
- 39:57Not what my dad did 50 years ago, but where is the puck going is the question to really ask yourself as an entrepreneur, as a business owner, or as a professional person.
- 40:07So in the first principles thinking, he said...
- 40:12First principles thinking built SpaceX.
- 40:14Most people think, quote, historically, all rockets have been expensive.
- 40:18Therefore, in the future, all rockets will be expensive, end quote.
- 40:21But that's not true.
- 40:22So that is reasoning or thinking by analogy.
- 40:26By analogy.
- 40:27And this is page 61.
- 40:29So just if you simplify it really basic, and Peter Thiel really likes that.
- 40:33It was a Stanford professor of this called mimetic desire, which is like we on a human level want to mimetic mirror those around us.
- 40:42So first principles thinking, let's apply it right now.
- 40:44Why do Pablo and Peter do first principles?
- 40:47Because genetically, we only survived as part of a tribe.
- 40:51So our brain told us, don't get kicked out of the tribe or you're toast.
- 40:54Right?
- 40:55Individuality reduced and communal living is really prioritized, is the goal.
- 41:01So you raise that up.
- 41:03That's in us.
- 41:04And if we don't realize that's part of us, then we're this fish swimming in water that don't know what water is.
- 41:10If we recognize that, then we can start building this muscle, which is to say, I want to build by, live by, build by first principles.
- 41:18First principles are physical laws that exist in nature, and those are our only constraints.
- 41:23Does he go in detail explaining first principles?
- 41:28No, he doesn't.
- 41:30You know, he does explain, I would encourage people to use mental models, mental tools of physics and apply them broadly in life.
- 41:37They are the best tools.
- 41:39So he kind of talks about that, and then he explains half a page of physics.
- 41:43When you think this way, you only get slight iterations.
- 41:45It's easier to reason by analogy rather than from first principles.
- 41:48So that's what we do most of the time.
- 41:50And most of life, we reason by analogy.
- 41:52Otherwise, mentally, you wouldn't be able to get through the day.
- 41:54It would be too much thinking.
- 41:56What he's saying more in very critical decisions, we need to understand we are automatically always going and thinking by analogy.
- 42:04But in very important things, we should use that extra brain with and create this muscle to think in first principles.
- 42:11The way that I think about or I implement first principle is I keep asking questions to get to the root, to get to the core and immutable nature of what we are discussing.
- 42:25And which point of that is the algorithm?
- 42:27That is...
- 42:29The first D. That's right.
- 42:31First D. You're the first D student.
- 42:33I'm the second D student, right?
- 42:34Let's go.
- 42:35Pablo starts doubting it all.
- 42:38And then there's Peter deleting it, just throwing him in the trash, right?
- 42:41Like, yep, that's not needed.
- 42:42Throw it in the trash.
- 42:43And I think that's what's so neat.
- 42:44And Elon is so good at cutting through noise to explain what many people think that are successful thinkers.
- 42:53But then he summarizes in a way where like, oh, wow.
- 42:55Wow.
- 42:56He really nailed it on how he said it.
- 42:58So first principles, he doesn't go in deep.
- 43:01This is page 60 and 61.
- 43:04I really like this one.
- 43:06So he's talking about how to build SpaceX.
- 43:08And he says, this is so good.
- 43:10That's going to set the floor of the Casa Rocket.
- 43:12I call this the magic wand number.
- 43:14So he starts where he basically says,
- 43:17Just imagine you're producing at a really high level.
- 43:21So I'll read this, the full paragraph.
- 43:23The way we applied first principles thinking to rocketry was asking, what are the materials that go into a rocket?
- 43:29And this is literally when he sold SpaceX.
- 43:31He hopped on a plane and he just opened an Excel sheet and started adding up the different components with the raw cost.
- 43:39And he went out to Russia to compare it against the raw class.
- 43:42So what are the materials that go into a rocket?
- 43:44A rocket is made from aluminum, titanium, copper, and carbon fiber.
- 43:49Break it down further and ask how much of each material is used.
- 43:52Now, what is the cost of all these raw components?
- 43:55If you have them stacked on the floor and could wave a magic wand to create the rocket, what would the cost of the rocket be?
- 44:01We imagine the cost of rearranging the atoms was zero.
- 44:05That's going to set the floor of the cost of the rocket.
- 44:07I call this the, quote, magic wand number, end quote.
- 44:11The hypothetical best-case scenario for rockets, that turned out to be a relatively small number, well under what percent would you guess, Pablo?
- 44:18I don't know.
- 44:20Well under 5% of the current cost, in some cases closer to 1% or 2% of the cost.
- 44:27From the magic one number?
- 44:29Yes.
- 44:30So let me see.
- 44:31So he says, okay, what is the cost to produce a rocket?
- 44:35He just goes and separates every single component to the price of each of them.
- 44:40And it's like, okay, total $10 million to do the rocket.
- 44:43Okay.
- 44:44And you're saying that the final cost, when they did it, it's around between 1% to 5%.
- 44:51So what you just said, let's play that out.
- 44:53He adds them up, it's $10 million.
- 44:56That's 1%.
- 44:58So the cost of the current rockets when he did that calculation was a billion dollars when he did that calculation.
- 45:05So?
- 45:06So it was a billion dollars to build a rocket.
- 45:08The raw materials were only $10 million.
- 45:10I see.
- 45:10Okay.
- 45:12So he looks at that map and he says, he calls this the idiot index?
- 45:17The idiot index, yeah.
- 45:18So he said… Explain that.
- 45:23The first principles thought process was around the rocket became general purpose for all parts.
- 45:28I call it the idiot index.
- 45:30How much more does a finished product cost than the cost of the materials?
- 45:35If a part or product had a high idiot index, we would cut the cost with more efficient manufacturing techniques.
- 45:42A component that costs $1,000 when the aluminum it was made from costs only $10 likely has a design that is too complex or an inefficient manufacturing process.
- 45:52If the ratio is high, you're an idiot.
- 45:57So he wraps it up by saying later on on page 62, what are all other rocket companies doing?
- 46:03What do their rockets cost?
- 46:05What historically have rockets cost?
- 46:07That is reasoning by analogy, but it really doesn't illustrate what the true potential is.
- 46:14The first principles approach is a good way to figure out counterintuitive solutions.
- 46:18It was a helpful thing to learn.
- 46:21I love it.
- 46:24Let me hit one more.
- 46:25Thinking in limits, it's another good physics tool is thinking about things in the limit.
- 46:31Take a particular idea and imagine scaling it to very large or very small numbers.
- 46:36How do things change?
- 46:38So I think about that, the phrase is,
- 46:41Thinking in extremes informs the means.
- 46:43The Boring Company is a great example.
- 46:45This is why the book is so amazing.
- 46:46It gives an example each one.
- 46:47A common criticism of the idea of tunnels is the tunnel will get used up and there will be traffic congestion.
- 46:54They don't realize there's no real limit to how many levels of tunnels you can have.
- 46:59You can go much farther deep underground than you can build up.
- 47:03The deepest mines are much deeper than the tallest buildings are.
- 47:06If you do just two things, you can get approximately an order of magnitude improvement in tunneling.
- 47:12But I think you can go even beyond that.
- 47:14So what he's saying is people are stuck thinking that a tunnel is just going to get clogged because they only have one analogy example of being in a tunnel.
- 47:23They're not thinking that you could do 50 tunnels on top of each other.
- 47:27So you go to the extremes, it breaks your brain, and then it brings you back to the best answer.
- 47:32Okay.
- 47:33This is what Elon does, right?
- 47:35Thinking and limits.
- 47:36So he says, no, no, let's go think 10,000.
- 47:40Now it forces us, and this is a really good example of, it forces us to throw out, Steve Jobs would always say this too.
- 47:45You want to say no to a lot of good ideas.
- 47:47Warren Buffett says this, Elon says this.
- 47:49You have to say no to a lot of good ideas to make space and room for the one great one.
- 47:54Yeah, I love it.
- 47:55All right, brother.
- 47:56That's a wrap.
- 47:56Book of Elon by Eric Jorgensen.