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The unexpected moment when liberal media was handed its ass · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here with Allison, and this is maintaining frame the
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  Speaker 2: unexpected moment when liberal media was handed its ass where
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  Speaker 2: we're going to be continuing our reaction to the Inside
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  Speaker 2: the Manosphere documentary and we're going to be looking at
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  Speaker 2: some more timecoachs from this. But I also have some
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  Speaker 2: bonus things I want to look at because I think
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  Speaker 2: that well I.
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  Speaker 1: Won't I won't spoil anything just yet.
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  Speaker 2: I'll just say that the documentary is not the only
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  Speaker 2: issue that we're facing here. So Allison, before we get started,
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  Speaker 2: why don't you do the things?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Am I frozen?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 3: It looks like I can move around, all right?
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  Speaker 4: feminism and financialization. Okay, all right, so let's begin.
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  Speaker 2: Brian, all right, so, last time we were watching this video,
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  Speaker 2: obviously we weren't watching the whole documentary because you know,
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  Speaker 2: I guess our video got take got tagged or something
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  Speaker 2: by the.
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  Speaker 4: The horizontal video got flagged by Netflix. The vertical video
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  Speaker 4: did not. So if you were wondering what happened to
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  Speaker 4: that last one, go look at the vertical.
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  Speaker 1: I think the video is still up to mm hmm.
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  Speaker 4: That evade the copyright strike.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you guys could confirm that our last, our
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  Speaker 2: last stream on this if you're on Rumble, could you
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  Speaker 2: confirm that it's there, because I don't think we got
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  Speaker 2: dinged by Rumble.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was only on Horizontal YouTube. Horizonal YouTube. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Horizonal YouTube.
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  Speaker 4: For some reason, because we were streaming the exact same
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  Speaker 4: content on vertical YouTube. I guess it's just screen real
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  Speaker 4: estate that it was having a concern with.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: God. Yeah, all right, all right, anyway, last time.
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  Speaker 4: If this one does disappear, just go to the vertical, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if this one gets vertical, save.
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  Speaker 4: Us all all right, go ahead, Brian.
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  Speaker 2: So, last time, uh, we're watching Lewis the Rose inside
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  Speaker 2: the Manisphere, and the last time we were looking at this,
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  Speaker 2: uh he had basically he's doing another session of hanging
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  Speaker 2: out with HS. Tiki Talkie, who is he's sort of
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  Speaker 2: like one of the main characters of this documentary, probably
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  Speaker 2: because he's a younger guy, and uh, you know.
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  Speaker 1: He's sort of using him to.
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  Speaker 2: Tell a story, a story of where men might end up.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of like a cautionary tale, right, huh.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, guys, it's a cautionary tale. You might end up
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  Speaker 4: with the yacht and bikini models.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he might be empty inside because he's not
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  Speaker 2: a good person based on nothing but preferences that.
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  Speaker 4: Unlike those men on that panel we watch the dating
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  Speaker 4: panel that are ending up with nothing. Yeah, like he
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  Speaker 4: could be he could you know, you could be like
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  Speaker 4: Tiki Talkie. Okay, you're right, empty inside.
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  Speaker 2: With all of the morals that Allison. The Row's argument is,
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  Speaker 2: why don't you just try and be a good person,
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  Speaker 2: which is ultimately an emotional argument and be really.
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  Speaker 4: Funny coming from the Row, as we will find out
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  Speaker 4: in this episode. Yeah, of the of the mainstream media
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  Speaker 4: showing us all its ass and all this pimp, pimply
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  Speaker 4: and cellulate glory.
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  Speaker 2: All right, go ahead, So okay, So he did his
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  Speaker 2: second meeting with the Row, and you know, they went
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  Speaker 2: out at night. He was hitting the punching bag and
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  Speaker 2: and thereaw, I mean not the Row, but hs Tiki Talk.
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  Speaker 2: He took a bunch of clips because he was live
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  Speaker 2: streaming the whole thing, because that's what he does.
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  Speaker 1: He's a live streamer.
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  Speaker 2: He streams probably constantly, and he basically took some choice
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  Speaker 2: clips out of that, especially the ones that made the
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  Speaker 2: Row look like a buffoon, and posted him on his
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  Speaker 2: on his channel, I don't know, Instagram, TikTok, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 1: That he uses.
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  Speaker 2: I got a super chowd from Richard Bierre right at
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  Speaker 2: the top. Thank you, Richard, and he says, giving a
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  Speaker 2: shout out to Badger Lady and the dog Man as
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  Speaker 2: they have been referred to by our newest member. The
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  Speaker 2: new question becomes when they go on a musical concert
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  Speaker 2: tour together.
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  Speaker 1: To the idiot the dog Man, I don't know what that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think I know what you mean, but he.
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  Speaker 4: Means our icons tubes?
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  Speaker 2: Sure, but who like it? Says as referred to by
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  Speaker 2: our newest member. That's what I'm wondering about.
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  Speaker 4: Oh that's uh, that's the newest member. A big shout
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  Speaker 4: out to uh, just give me a second, all we'll
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  Speaker 4: go and find him in my in my discord of
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  Speaker 4: infinite rooms. Actually, I don't even know where where the
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  Speaker 4: heck Where the heck is my general Oh good lord,
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  Speaker 4: I don't even know how to navigate my own freak.
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  Speaker 3: Oh here it is.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So big shout out to Benny. That's Benny, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: Benny the mouse avatar guy. All right, Benny the Mouse
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  Speaker 4: had basically says hi and found the show on YouTube
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  Speaker 4: and Badger Lady made me feel vindicated than the dog
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  Speaker 4: Man mentioned male genital mutilation. I was glad to hear
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  Speaker 4: someone talk about it for once. Very cool channel, and
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  Speaker 4: I would be happy to contribute. So welcome, Welcome to
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  Speaker 4: our community, Benny the Mouse.
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  Speaker 1: For joining us.
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  Speaker 4: And then then Richard is referring to that that that's
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  Speaker 4: the that's like.
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  Speaker 1: Inside inside Baseball that I'm not aware of.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I can't just throw in random references like
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to necessarily get where you're coming from.
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  Speaker 1: But thank you. It's in the greetings and the commentary.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a medium or it's not deep lore. It's
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  Speaker 4: like medium, it's medium lore, not deep lore.
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  Speaker 1: Like yeah, no I just said I I just said
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  Speaker 1: inside baseball.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, all right, so so HS used.
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  Speaker 1: This to sort of like make content.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so let's play this, and of course it's it's
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  Speaker 2: important to note for context that Lewis the Rowe has
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  Speaker 2: been sort of trying to suggest that, you know, HS
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  Speaker 2: is like misogynistic and racist and or just like a
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  Speaker 2: not a good person. Right, so let's let's give a listen. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this might it does tend to work, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: act weird. But can you guys hear this?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Oh fuck?
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  Speaker 6: Done by the comments making fun of him and his
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  Speaker 6: decision to be in my film, they just seemed to spiral.
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  Speaker 1: I need to play the audio for this because this
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  Speaker 1: is making fun of him. Well, it's just viral.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, you gotta stop it, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, if you want to pull me, why is it
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  Speaker 4: going again?
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  Speaker 1: Would you want me not to play it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, I mean we got to stop it at
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  Speaker 4: some point before Netflix gets on our ass. So why
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  Speaker 4: is he spiraling?
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  Speaker 1: This is what the row is suggesting, is that he's spiraling.
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  Speaker 2: But basically basically he made absolutely absolutely, but this is
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  Speaker 2: an important clip.
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  Speaker 1: It's not long.
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  Speaker 2: He's on Kick okay, because again this is another example
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  Speaker 2: of like, how let's say controlled, Like just like.
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  Speaker 1: What we were just talking about with YouTube, how controlled.
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  Speaker 2: Are the video platforms are a lot of these guys
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  Speaker 2: are relegated to using platforms like Kick and Rumble and
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  Speaker 2: Odyssey and you know, TikTok to a degree an x
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  Speaker 2: because YouTube and Twitch are basically like you know, and
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  Speaker 2: Facebook and even Instagram somewhat is an obstacle. So it's
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  Speaker 2: actually worth pointing out that he's on Kick doing this.
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  Speaker 7: But anyway, scam on, racist, homophobic, dickhead.
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  Speaker 8: I'm all of those. I'm all of those through and
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  Speaker 8: what what are you going to do about it?
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  Speaker 1: Pussy all? Nothing?
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  Speaker 2: So I'm sharing this because this is like the attitude
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  Speaker 2: of zoomers today, especially zoomer men in particular zoomer men
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  Speaker 2: are I'm talking about. They have been called every slur
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  Speaker 2: in the book with regards to them being biggots. They've
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  Speaker 2: been called bigots, they've been called oppressors, they've been called evil,
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  Speaker 2: and now they're just internalizing it and they're just saying, okay,
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  Speaker 2: now what like fine, right, yeah, what are you gonna
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  Speaker 2: do about it?
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  Speaker 1: Like and and the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Is throws throw just thinks, oh, this is this is
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  Speaker 2: him admitting to his bigotry. I'm gonna like show this
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  Speaker 2: to the world. But it's like, no, you don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: You don't get it, Like nobody cares. Like these young
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  Speaker 2: guys they don't care, you know, they they don't care
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  Speaker 2: that you're because these words don't mean anything anymore. They
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  Speaker 2: have no power, you know, misogynists whatever. Right, And that's
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  Speaker 2: why he can't he can't use that to, uh, to
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  Speaker 2: fight against this guy, because they've heard everything, like I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think even probably even Tiggy talk.
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  Speaker 1: He's heard it all.
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  Speaker 2: But I know, like guys like you know, Andrew Tate
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  Speaker 2: and fresh and Fit and you know Pearl well she
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  Speaker 2: does not in this one. But that's another thing, like
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  Speaker 2: people like us, like we've heard this for years and
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  Speaker 2: so like it's like, really.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care, like you obviously don't know who
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  Speaker 1: I am.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, well, I mean I've watched I've watched the
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  Speaker 4: media call everybody, they want to shut up, every name
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  Speaker 4: in the book, and they don't have any culpability to
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  Speaker 4: whether or not the names that they're calling them are true.
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  Speaker 4: The language has become completely diluted. It doesn't mean anything more.
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  Speaker 4: It just means that the media wants to shut you up.
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  Speaker 4: And you know that's what he's pointing out right, and
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  Speaker 4: that's where we're at. Okay, let's keep.
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  Speaker 1: Going, all right, all right?
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  Speaker 2: So I just wanted to show that where we at
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  Speaker 2: now fifty nine oh eight, I want to get to
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  Speaker 2: something really important that I thought, this is like one
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  Speaker 2: of the big big bits here, So moving herun this
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  Speaker 2: is so later on he goes to uh, justin is
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  Speaker 2: it justin Lane Lang's house or something, and he meets
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  Speaker 2: his wife and their kids, and of course, again I'm
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  Speaker 2: not gonna play anything from this, but I think it's
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  Speaker 2: worth mentioning that.
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  Speaker 1: His wife was a former like x Ray.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know engineer or something is how they described it,
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  Speaker 2: and that she quit her job to raise children, and
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  Speaker 2: Threau is like, you know, well, you know women can work, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like he's basically like again, he's still imposing this kind
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  Speaker 2: of like I don't know the status quo of like
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  Speaker 2: women should work and if a woman chooses to stay
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  Speaker 2: home and raise children, like what what is he making
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  Speaker 2: you do that? And of course she is like completely
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  Speaker 2: defending it, like, well, no, this is what I want.
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  Speaker 2: I'd rather I'd rather stay home and raise my kids
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  Speaker 2: while my husband makes money than wake up at five
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  Speaker 2: am to you know, go to a job, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And so he's just trying to like again, it's all
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  Speaker 2: about like trying to frame this in that way. But
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to get to something else that I thought
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  Speaker 2: was for the reason I thought it was like right here,
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, here we go, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: This is it right here.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's going to play for this,
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  Speaker 2: but I wanted to show a couple of things about
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  Speaker 2: the figures that.
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  Speaker 1: He's talking about in the documentary.
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  Speaker 2: So one is hs Tiki Talkie has a strained relationship
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  Speaker 2: with his father. So I guess I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: play the clip because it might. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna work. Should I Do you want me to
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  Speaker 2: play it or do you want me to like just
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  Speaker 2: tell you Okay, let me just try to find.
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  Speaker 3: How long is it gonna be?
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  Speaker 4: How long is it going to be?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I should play like this is it's all about
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  Speaker 2: the framing here, So let's let's play a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of this. So after he says what I just showed
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  Speaker 2: you guys where he says like, you know, you can
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  Speaker 2: call me a racist, homophobic, sexist, misogyny, sick, dickhead, I'm
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  Speaker 2: all of those. Like it's not even denying, he's just saying, okay, fine,
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  Speaker 2: that's what I am.
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  Speaker 4: Then let's move on now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and then.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, the Row's responses to say, oh, it's you know,
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  Speaker 2: he sounded like a fighter, like he was getting himself
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  Speaker 2: psyched up before about right, it's a way of and
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  Speaker 2: he's called he's basically saying, this guy's crashing out and
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  Speaker 2: all of that, and he's sort of framing it as
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  Speaker 2: this kind of like rage that's dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: And then he leans into these these news clips.
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  Speaker 4: So we turn now to growing concerns around the proliferation
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  Speaker 4: of misogyny online.
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  Speaker 6: Teaches sounding the alarm over a resurgence of mild supremacy
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  Speaker 6: in school.
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  Speaker 1: There's a growing number of examples of nanospec culture affecting
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  Speaker 1: interactions between boys and girls.
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  Speaker 4: So, okay, I just point out at the beginning of
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  Speaker 4: all this, he said that this was just a part
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  Speaker 4: of the manisphere.
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  Speaker 3: So we are looking at the.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, that's what he said explicitly, and he also
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  Speaker 4: so essentially the manosphere isn't just these guys, it's also
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  Speaker 4: the fitness influencers, theaters, yeah, podcasters that don't even say
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  Speaker 4: anything related to what these guys are saying. And so
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  Speaker 4: they're they're smearing the whole thing as What they're doing
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  Speaker 4: is they're framing the whole thing as this, and then
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  Speaker 4: they're saying, oh, all of this content is leaking into
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  Speaker 4: the schools. That's not what's happening. What's happening is boys
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  Speaker 4: and young men are experiencing the consequences of being disenfranchised
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  Speaker 4: by the feminist system and they don't like it. Right,
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  Speaker 4: that's it, right, It's it's the same thing that happens
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  Speaker 4: with any group of people who's being disenfranchised by a system.
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  Speaker 3: Right, they are.
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  Speaker 4: Deliberately being marked down, they don't have the same opportunities.
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  Speaker 4: And the thing is that we are. When these individuals
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  Speaker 4: want to laud the future is female and all of
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  Speaker 4: the opportunities that are being you know, opened up by
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  Speaker 4: not by not by just by you know, removing laws
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  Speaker 4: or whatever else, but opened up in terms of exclusive
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  Speaker 4: access to women and girls. They'll they'll trumpet into the hills,
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  Speaker 4: how these scholarship are only for women and girls. How
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  Speaker 4: these positions are only for women and girls. How these
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  Speaker 4: companies are only hiring hiring women and girls. Right, they'll
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  Speaker 4: trumpet it to the hills. But the instance anyone points out, well,
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  Speaker 4: then you're openly discriminating against boys and men, they'll be like, no, that,
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  Speaker 4: you can't say that. What do you think happens when
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  Speaker 4: you create a system in which boys always hear the
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  Speaker 4: futures futures female, in which they see their female peers
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  Speaker 4: being marked higher for no other reason than their girls
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  Speaker 4: and getting opportunities for no other reason than their girls.
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  Speaker 4: At this same time, as women and girls have not
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  Speaker 4: let up on the expectation, on the expectations of financial
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  Speaker 4: success for men and boys, they're still expected to hit
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  Speaker 4: those marks.
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  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, girls and women.
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  Speaker 4: Get unfair advantages.
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  Speaker 3: This isn't a word.
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  Speaker 9: The menosphere isn't what why these boys and young men
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  Speaker 9: are angry that me talking about this stuff isn't why
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  Speaker 9: boys and young men are angry. In fact, me talking
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  Speaker 9: about this stuff probably reduces the anger. The reason why
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  Speaker 9: they're angry feminists and Theireau and media is you know
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  Speaker 9: exactly why they're angry because you're shitting on them and
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  Speaker 9: you're expecting them to eat shit and smile and say
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  Speaker 9: can I have more, sir or ma'am.
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  Speaker 3: And they don't like it because nobody likes that.
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  Speaker 4: Good lord, Okay, let us continue.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, so, like note the framing here. This is
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  Speaker 2: how this one's I'm explaining to you. You know, you
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  Speaker 2: show you you like, Like Alison said, he makes a
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  Speaker 2: like a plausible deniability framed statement early on, well there's
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  Speaker 2: a friend of the manisphere that's bad or whatever. Of
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  Speaker 2: course there he can't really show anything like demonstrable in
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  Speaker 2: that regard. He just has to like use you know,
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  Speaker 2: emotional let's say, emotional tactics like the music is.
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  Speaker 1: A certain way, the camera angle usage, or his his face.
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  Speaker 2: He tries to make his face reactions to like sort
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  Speaker 2: of like project onto the audience how they should be reacting.
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  Speaker 2: So if he looks like, you know, shocked or appalled
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  Speaker 2: or disgusted, then it cuts to him and he makes
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  Speaker 2: the face because no one else is doing it, otherwise
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  Speaker 2: he would cut to them, right, And you're supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be like, oh, I guess that's gross. I guess, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and and none of that works. And then he tries
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  Speaker 2: to call them, you know, these particular guys problematic in
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: some way, or suggests that they're immoral, or that they're
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: grifting or they're using their audience, or they're they're not
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: nice to women, or they're hypocrites or whatever. And then
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: those guys just say, yeah, I don't care, so what
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: call me whatever you want. I don't give a shit.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: So they's like, well, I'll just cut to all of
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: these news reports, all these media clips of people like
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: panicking over misogyny in schools, and that will do it.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Like you see how it's just and it's like a
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: transition from plausible diability. Oh, this is a rare corner
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: of the manisphere to hear the men of the manisphere
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: being bad to Here's what the media thinks about the
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: manisphere writ large because the media is not being specific.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: They're just saying, oh, Andrew Tate phenomena surgeons in schools
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: with boys refusing to talk.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: To a female teacher. How is that misogynistic? Maybe they
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: don't trust them, Maybe they're afraid they're female teachers, like
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: diddling their fucking classmates. It's happening. Those things happen.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: The other and the other thing is these boys are
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: being expected to take responsibility for social ills. Yeah, that
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: that they experience. Like you look at the statistics on
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: domestic violence among teenagers, girls are leading the pack. So
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: those boys are experiencing domestic violence from their girlfriends and
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: female friends. They're experience experiencing sexual assault because you see
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: big numbers there too. And then they're expected to swallow
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: it and be primary pretend to be primarily responsible for
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: the same harms that they are experiencing as boys and
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: young men. This is all bullshit. It's all such incredible bullshit.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: I'm freaking angry about it. I can't even imagine being
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: a young a boy or a young man expected to
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: swallow the bullshit that girls get away with, Like they
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: get to hit, they get to sexually assault, they get
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: to be cruel, They get to bully, and they're never
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: called out for it. Toxic attitudes towards the opposite sex
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: are more prevalent.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Among young women than young men.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: They're more likely to have rape myths around young men
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: as victims of sexual Females. Girls are more likely to
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: embrace rape myths around male victims of sexual assaults than
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: the reverse or previous generations of girls. Right, They're more
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: likely to be overtly hateful in their rhetoric towards the
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: opposite sex. And nowhere is anybody calling out the femosphere,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: the fempire. And it's horrific rhetoric that's not only online,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: because it's whenever I do any kind of analysis on missonry,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: for example, on Twitter versus misogyny, missonry is worse. It's
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: more violent, it's more dehumanizing, it's more pervasive, it's less
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: called out, it's more voted, it's got more positive responses.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: It's horrific. It's a horrific slew of absolutely toxic crap
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: that's being directed at men, and these guys never mention it,
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: they never talk about it. It's always zeroing in on
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: the misogyny. The tiny pockets of misogyny, which are usually
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: just a response to the overwhelming and institutionalized miss injury.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: And they will not talk about that everything is just
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: coming out of nowhere. Guys, boys are just upset out
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: of nowhere.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: They're angry at girls out of nowhere.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Who know where?
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: Where is this coming from? And then they have the
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: audacity to say it's coming.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Out of nowhere.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: But it's not biological essentialism. It just happens to be
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: an emerging property of having a penis.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Like, okay, all.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Right, let's play some more of this.
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: Said about the effect of streamers on their young fans.
• 21:59
  Speaker 10: It is the idea that there's only one way to
• 22:01
  Speaker 10: be on and not involved oppressing women the right to
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: their bodies.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Okay, fucking what? Who the hell was the one who
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: originated this there's only one way to be a man? Well,
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: guess who said that? Every man, no matter what race
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: he is, what culture, what ethnicity, what nationality, what religion,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: what community he's part of, is out there oppressing women.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: That is the predominant relationship between men and women. Who
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: said that? Who said it?
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: Who?
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Essentially high bio essentialist determinism behind a fig leaf of
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: socialization that somehow, unlike any other socialization ever in human history,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: since we crawled down from the fucking canopy, is one
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: to one with a biological category. Who did that? You
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: made that association between masculinity and oppressing women? Did men
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: just develop that one day? Of course, that's what they say.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: That's what they freaking say that the primary relationship between
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: men and women is one of oppression. And then they
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: turn around and say that men invented that. Men did that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: No, they didn't.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Never in the history of humanity have men oppressed women
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: ever once. This is the thing that needs to die yesterday. Yeah,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: and you guys were responsible for this. You guys were
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: the feminists were literally responsible for the injecting this toxic
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: bullshit into our freaking Noah sphere, our social landscape, our
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: most intimate relationships. They did this, And now they're turning
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: around and saying, well, boys, just think the only way
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: to bullshit. You said that was the only way they
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: related to women and girls. You said that, and now
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: you're upset that they turned around and said, well, I
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: guess that's the way we relate to women and girls.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: And they got fucking tired of constantly being accused of
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: what they were not, so they just decided, well, I
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: got the name, might as well have the game. And
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: they're still not even doing that.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: No, it's only not Yeah, they're still not doing this.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Even the guys are trying to like highlight in this
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: movie are absolutely like their whole life revolves around women,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and they're still saying that this is like, how does
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: how do you manage that bait and switch and people
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: buy this. I'm gonna show you guys later.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: How how like how just people just eat this up
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: like Jesus assume it's true.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: But anyway, all right, let's uh, there's a little bit more.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: But in my time in the menisphere, I've become curious
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: about how the streamers grew up and what they shd
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: from their childhood.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Might that be the fucking I became very realistic of
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: the word one ass kicking.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: All it takes this one good ass kicking, you'll learn along.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: So okay, So Andrew tweet says that his father beat
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: him once. Now I don't I would say anything that
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: he says, you take for the grain of salt, but
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: that's what he chooses to highlight for this. Now he's
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: supposed to be like at least in this in this year,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, year of our lord, andrewtain is the
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: face of everything on the internet that is.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Talking about men. He is the face of all of it.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: So if there's a way to make him look bad
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: and poison, well, then they'll use it. Okay, Again, he
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: said that he learned a lot, and I think he's
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: grateful for that is, you know, is the full context
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: of this clip that basically, like, you know, set him
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: straight is what he would argue.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: But that's not the important thing. And it's funny that
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: this is what he opens with. But let's let's keep going.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: It was striking how many were raised without dads.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: It was striking how many were raised without dads.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Not gonna go anywhere with this one, guys, Nope, we're
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: just gonna We're gonna float it out there and then
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: just watch it burn and sink into the Pacific.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Yea, goodbye.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I predicted that. I predicted it. With these guys. I
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, I bet they didn't have a father
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: in their life.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: And yes, all of them, I mean all the ones
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: featured in the documentary.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Entertain was and uh Andrew tait Was has a story
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: of his father hitting him.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: But that's it as far as everyone else can is concerned,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: you know, he just.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: The anti feminist had told me how his mom, Elaine,
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: had worked six day weeks late into the evening to
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: put him through private school.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Was hs an anti feminist? Because it's the funny thing
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: is is that feminism created the preconditions of all of this,
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Like this, these people wouldn't these men would not exist
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: without feminism destroying the the value proposition of the average man,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: leading to this complete distortion and the constant moving target
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: of the dating market, so that women don't want an
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: average man, they want the top whatever. They want a
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: man who has other men or other women orbiting him
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: as social proof, because literally feminism destroyed the social proof
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: of the average man. So men come with negative social proof.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: They come into the dating landscape with negative social proof.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: So women are like, well, I need social proof and
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: the only thing that will suffice is the interest of
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: other women. That's that is a completely slanted situation that
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: hasn't existed ever until feminism invented the whole Men oppressed women. Therefore,
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: you're you're, you're you're a patsy lady. If you want
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: a man. Yeah, you're you're a complete patsy. You're a
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: joke of a woman. You you you are being taken
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: advantage of if you want a man. So now men
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: have to rise above a higher and higher bar and
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: it's always the moving target of the top whatever present
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: because of this, because of this construction, and that creates
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: the entire situation that these men are feeding on, that
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: these men are getting clout in. I don't know about
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: hs Tiki talking, just seems like a general commentator, not
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: exactly sure if he's living the lifestyle.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: But.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Of what lifestyle, but the the red.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Pill lifestyle seems more like.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: He's got he's got women and stuff hs Tiki talk.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: He's definitely like you know, he co streams with women
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: and he like, uh pulls women a lot. He's definitely
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: like part of that. He's he's not married because he's
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: too young. You know, he's not like or or has kids.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have kids or anything like that. But he's
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: definitely like, you know, following in that sort of the
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: footsteps of that, right, it's kind of like the next
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: evolution of the pua. But there's like more it's like
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: you know, fitness and money.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: And stuff like that.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I do think that's right. And and
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: the thing is, I mean, I don't want to play
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: too much more of this clip, but I'll just explain
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: that HS Tiki Taki who this is his mother, His
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: father is a was a professional rugby player, and.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: He was not around to raise him.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Now we don't, like, the road doesn't go into whether
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: or not like he abandoned his child or if his
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: mother kept him from him or what.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: We don't know.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: But we do know is that at some point his
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: mother decided to have sex with this guy who was
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: a professional athlete, and they had this kid, and then
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: the kid wasn't there to raise like he the father
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: wasn't around to raise him, and HS has very conflicted
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: feelings about that.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: That's what we do know.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Right, So I think it's worth pointing out because we
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: don't want to talk about the fact that if there
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: is an issue with deadbeat dad's like this is how
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: we frame it. The problem with that logic is that
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: women choose to sleep with these men. And yes, there
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: are cases where maybe the man promises one thing and
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: doesn't deliver, But I think that it's worth mentioning that
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: there's also the possibility that women are just not thinking
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: about the future and they're just in the moment wanting
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: to get dick and they're okay with or they even
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: try to entrap him by getting pregnant on purpose. There
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: could be a number of things that could happen, you know,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: but they don't want to talk about that if the
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: father's not there.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: If they even want.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: To talk about it at all, it's usually framed as
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: blaming the father for not being there.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, honestly, let's be clear, the primary mediator between
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: the bond between a father and his children is the mother.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: In our society, Legally, she has more control over that
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: than he does. So most often when a father isn't
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: in a kid's life, it's because of a mother's choice.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: That's just the way it is. And the same people
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: who will continue to push the legal situation where women
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: can unilaterally remove fathers from their children's lives will condemn
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: me for pointing out that they have constructed the very
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: unilateral situation, legal situation that they said they would. You
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: did this, you're proud of doing it, and you don't
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: have you have a problem with me pointing out that
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: this is what the situation is women control men's access
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: to their children full stop. So when a man doesn't
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: have access to his children, the most likely cause is
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: the mother is not letting him.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: That's the truth.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: All right, let's let's continue right.
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: Clear from photos shared online, how devoted Elaine had always been,
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: how hs had felt at the time, was hard to
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: know his dad, an England international rugby player, was not
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: in the picture.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: So as that wasn't in the picture. All right, I'm
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: gonna national rugby player. Yeah, very big rugby player.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: And uh that's him saying he doesn't have any hard
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: feelings towards his dad's subconscious.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: What well, yeah, there's there is a bit that a
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: lot of these guys don't act like they've had a father.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: I'll be honest.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Their their goals in life for shallow they are.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Well, they're reacting to women's desires.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I want to give women what they want, and if
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: women are shallow, then those men are just going to
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: be shallow too.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: They're gonna play the games.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: They have sort of a fantasy of plenty, like lots
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: of women, probably because they're trying to fill in an
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: emotional deficit from their childhood. I mean this all this
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: is true. Maybe we should stop allowing mothers to control
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: the relationship between a child and his father, right, mm hmm. Okay,
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: maybe we should stop encouraging single motherhood or allowing single motherhood. Right,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's what we need to do. But thero is
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: not going to make these conclusions. He's just going to
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: mention this and use it to poison the well in
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: terms of this Tiki Talkie's opinion, which is really funny
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: because of what comes next. Are we going to go
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: next to the the mother?
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: No, no, I want to show something else.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Oh this part all right, Okay, I want.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: To show yeah, I want to show this.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: So this is Justin Waller, the guy from Louisiana, the
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: ginger guy, and he has a He has a harrowing
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: story about his mom.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: That again throw doesn't he just glosses over.
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: So there was violence with the mom.
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: Justin was another His accounts of being raised by a
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: mother who he characterized as chaotic were a well established
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: part of his origin story.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: What kind of house did you grow up in? Was
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: like this, I used to play in this neighborhood.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: So they lived in a trailer park. I'm not gonna
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: like again, I'm worried about Netflix. But he grew up
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: in a trailer park and his mom his like his dad.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: His mom separated him from his dad, So I think
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: he has siblings maybe, And she was really violent. She
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: would beat his she would beat his father and drove
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: him out of the house basically.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: So she was violent and the dad couldn't stay. Yeah.
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: I've read online and I've seen you talk about how
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: you had not the best upbringing in some respects.
• 34:57
  Speaker 11: Right, yes, sir, you were very close to being put
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: in a foster home. I mean there was a lot
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: of violence my mom, and she would just come in
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: sometimes and just start punching them. It was true rage.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: We're actually not far from where she burned those houses now,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: so I'm gonna stop it there. So she burned their
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: homes down to collect insurance money. This is like the
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: piece of work that Justin's mother was. The Road doesn't
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: really talk about that, like this guy's played and that's it.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: He basically dismisses it as, oh, these guys have troubled childhoods,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: that's why they're assholes, but nothing about like maybe we
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: should do something about that, right yeah, or well, actually.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: What he does is he says that none of this
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: has substantiated.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He also says, well, I looked into it, and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't see any charges filed against the mother, so
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: probably didn't happen.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I guess, right, make come to your own conclusions. But
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't see anything in the official record.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: So why would.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: He invent a story about his mother beating his father? Right?
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Why would do that?
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not going that's not something that's going to
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: help him in his sales.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Throw Okay, yeah, so so yeah, that's that's justin So
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: now I'm going to jump ahead to uh like it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Like basically, he tries to link this to a couple
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: of other things, but he does, like, here's some more
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: stuff from he was I want to show something else
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: here I thought was pretty good.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is some news segments. So I think this
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: is it here it is.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: The basis of far reaching social renewal.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Did an election that was supposed to revolve around women's
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: issues actually come down to the flight of men? This
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: was the testosterone podcast election.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: So that's got galloway piece of ship, by the way,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: and they're basically again, this is the I think this
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: is the reason why this documentary exists. It was the
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four election. That's why they made it. And
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: they're saying that in here. They're basically like, this was
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: supposed to go to women all the time for all
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: of eternity, every election, every policy, every piece of legislation,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: everything that happens on the political level, on the corporate level,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: in education, socially, culturally, was supposed to be oriented towards women,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, men changed it. That's what
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: they're saying.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, so yeh, Scout Galloway's calling it to testosterone podcast
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: like election.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: By the way, he's supposed to be an advocate for men.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: This guy, he's supposed to he's the acceptable you know,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: mra I guess he's the good one. That's why he
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: gets to be on CNN because he's not like the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: bad guy. Right, So this is why this movie exists
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: because they're trying to figure out how they lost. That's
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: just I don't know how else to put it, And like,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: why did men go against the interests of women? Why
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: did men attack women with their votes? Which is what
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: they're mad about. So I wanted to show that because
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: that's important context for at least in my opinion why
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: this documentary exists. It's like, it's like almost driving home
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: the point, at least the point that Thaw wants to make.
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: As Manisphere talking points began to converge with the mainstream
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: of political conversation.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: So I'm pausing it there.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you see Manisphere talking points which are essentially like.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: There.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I would say that they're somewhat not really, but they's
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: somewhat critical feminism, right, I don't I don't think they're
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: they're not super strong, but they're they're they're definitely not mainstream.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: What were you gonna say, Oh, it's not enough, Like no,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: obviously not.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Honestly, the window is closing on being able to save
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: the West from itself.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, but.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe something will happen. Maybe maybe maybe just a gigantic,
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: freaking humiliation is what will jar people out of their
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: out of their complacency around what we are doing and
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: what we are constructing and what we have constructed. Okay,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: let's keep going.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So anyway, I'm just gonna like read
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: or tell you guys like more of what happens. So
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: then he he basically ties it to the twenty twenty
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: four election, which then ties it to politics. So then
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: he goes to Sneako, who you know him is a
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: cultural commentator.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. I don't really watch him. I
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: know he is. He's like part of that.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Andrews's like friends with those people and uh, but but
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Snego's content is more political, I think. And so he's
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: just trying to tie it all together. And at one
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: point he and Steako go out and they run into
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: some kids.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: You know what.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to find the there was a really great clip,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: and maybe I shouldn't look for it, but there was
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: a really great clip of of him talking to some
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: fans of Justin's. Let's see if I can find it.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I could just tell you about it. But there were
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: those two, those two young time. We already went to
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: where they where they said, my my my brother committed suicide.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: Yes we did.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think we talked about the suicide. No,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: because he meets them for tea and then they introduced
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: themselves and we covered that. But then later he talks
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: to them again, okay, and they explain that. I just
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: thought know where that is. It might be before this,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: but it's okay.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: So anyway, he.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Talks to these two guys that I mentioned on the
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: last show. I believe their names are Maddie and Chris
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: and trying. Yeah, Maddie and Chris, and they they talk
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: about how the reason why they're big fans of like
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: the Manisphere people is because, you know, it like gives
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: them a sense of like not feeling like victims, right
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: so that they can like go out and get what
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: they want. And uh, this I think this is extra
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: interesting because again, these guys, these young guys, didn't have
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: fathers either.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: What is it victims are feeling like they're not They're.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Not That's how they would frame it.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: There's some different kind of quality there. Yeah, I think, yeah,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: I know they were framing it, but it seemed more
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: like they were talking about whether or not they were
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: capable of changing their circumstance, whether or not they were
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: even worthy to change their circumstance, or if it was deserved.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: See what I'm saying, Like a victim requires someone to
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: conceptualize that something that's happened to them is not something
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: that they deserve. But I think a lot of guys
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: might even be in the situation where they think they
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: deserve it. Considering the rec rhetoric and all of that,
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: and when you find out, well, no, you've been dealt
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: a bad hand, but it's still sort of up to
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: you to do something with it. At least that's a
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: better message than you deserve. Because you've oppressed women. You
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: specifically a man who was born in nineteen ninety eight,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: You have been oppressing women since the dawn of time,
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: since you evolved an opposable thumb to beat a woman with,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: you know, to opposable thumb to get a rod to
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: beat a woman with. You have been oppressing women, and
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: you deserve everything you get. You know, to have somebody
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: say no, you don't, this situation is unjust, but you know,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: you still have to do what you can with the
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: cards that you're dealt. You know, that's that's that's more
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: positive than being told you deserve it, which is what
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: young men are being told now that you deserve it.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so okay, so.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: Let's watch this.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to do you want to see the
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: sneak O part.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: No, No, the sneako part, Like, what why is Snico
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: even in this?
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: He's trying to connect him to the manisphere? Well, I
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: mean like like he's he's in the same circles, but
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: he's trying to link him to the Manisphere because well,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: remember Alison, later on, they basically just like try to
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: accuse these people of conspiracy, being conspiracy theorists, right. So,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: so Sneako was shown. They were like hanging out at
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: like a like a bodega or something, and they were
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: these magazines and he was in Steko like had recently
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: converted to Islam at this point, but before that, he
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: was pointing to the to the photos. He was like,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: you see how they cover one eye and the magazines
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: that that means that they're like signaling that they're in
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: a cult, that they're a Satanic you know.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: And he was like, Oh, that's ridiculous.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: And he's and Sicco's like making the case for it
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: or whatever, and so he's trying to like say, oh,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: look at these guys are kind of kooky. They believe
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: that Satanic you know, a Satanic cult runs the world.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: And you need patriarchy, Caroll.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, patriarchy running the world.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: That's real, Allison.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Capitalism and white supremacy and patriarchy, that's all real stuff.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: But Satan that's kind of silly, right, That's that's what
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: he would say. Oh, that's kooky, right.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: And of course this also like brings them to them
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: talking about the Jay's and how the J's run everything,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: and and so he's trying to like make this link
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: and and Sticco's more, he's like willing to talk about
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: those things. So I think that it's about uh, guilt
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: by association, taking whatever it is they believe in, throwing
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: that all in the in the cement mixer and seeing
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: what comes out.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: And I don't think it's relevant, Like.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I don't think so either, But I'm just pointing out
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: why he do run the world.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: I think feminists do more more clearly, and the financial
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: financialization Robert Barons that feminists cape for I think they
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: run the world. I'm not sure about Satanists. I'm not
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: sure we really need to entertain the Satanist question I.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Would like to get back to. I mean, I think
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: that the I think we could look at the want to.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Just go to the bit where he confronts the no.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Let's let's look at the redhead guy like Justin.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Was it Justin Justin Waller? I don't believe there's anything
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: else to see about that do you want to.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Go to where Yeah, we go to where throw starts
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: stalking his damn wife.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Look at that sleazy.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: I don't think Sneko is relevant at all.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Like right here, yeah, one five thirty six.
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: Okay, why did you not get married in the eyes
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: of the state? You think the financial side? Yeah, that
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: doesn't that seems more risky for you.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe it does seem more risky for me, but I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm at risk.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: So he's like, so there, they didn't get married by
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: the government. They got married, I guess, like like in
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: the church, right, and throws like, why did you get
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: married in the government.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: That's bad for you, isn't it? To the wife? And
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, I guess it's risky for me.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: No, it's not risky because this is they're gonna be
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: she has his kids, right, there's no risk here to
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: her really legally.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: And the other thing is that why wouldn't he in saying, oh,
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: that's risky to you, Why wouldn't of course Thiro won't
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: recognize that men getting married are putting themselves at risk.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: It's freaking ridiculous, right, I don't even know why. Honestly,
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: she's obviously not men's issues aware. Perhaps no, of course not,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: because this framing is really it's giving him a lot
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: of handholds.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean she's getting Yeah, but I think
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: that I think that what she sees is an opportunity
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: to say it puts me more at risk, but I
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: trust my husband. So it's sort of like he's trying
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: to say, shouldn't you be afraid that he's going to
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: take advantage of you? And she's gonna say, no, I
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: don't have any fear that that's going to happen. Right, So, yeah,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: it's not true that she's actually at risk, but for her,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: as someone who doesn't know that, it's an opportunity for
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: her to essentially say, I stand by my man anyway.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: So that's what she's doing. Let's say it in it
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 48:01
  Speaker 11: Let's say that tomorrow, me and you, I would still
• 48:04
  Speaker 11: look at it as successful as.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Some of the best years of my life. I have
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: beautiful children, beautiful memories.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I'll see comments sometimes a bit like yeah, he thinks
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: money is everything, but he'll never understand what it's like
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: to have true happiness in a family and have a
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: woman truly love.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: All Right, I want to he just goes on. It's
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: all very performative.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: But so, yeah, he invites him into his house and
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: he's like, immediately like the road tries his relationship.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he starts to pick at the relationship. I think
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: he's trying to see test her loyalty. I guess is.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what else to say about that.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, he's trying to hone in and he's trying
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: to start making himself be the man that cares about
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: her well being. He is the constodial he is claiming
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: that woman custodially essentially, you know, like vast suppressing, which
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: is like the male bonding hormone. It's a custodial hormone, right,
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: So it's like I take care of you. I know
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: what's morally right for you. You know that kind of thing.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: And that's what Thereau is doing with all of these
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: women that are associated with these men. You can see
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: it immediately he starts orientating towards them. He just sort
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: of shuffles over to them. He's like, are you happy?
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: I don't think you are according to my framework?
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Are you sure?
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Are you comfortable?
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Do you feel safe?
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: And he's like he's honing in he is he is
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: trying to be their custodian, and it's sort of a
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: little sleazy and creepy. But for whatever reason, these guys
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: aren't like putting their foot down and just throwing him
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: out on their ear on his ear, probably because it
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: is performative. But yeah, he's uh, he's unsavory. This thereau unsavory.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Earlier earlier in the movie, Justin Waller, this guy and
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: throw are talking in like earlier in the movie, and
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Justin is explaining that he thinks that people don't value
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: like masculine men, and and then he basically makes an example.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: I didn't play that clip because I forgot about it
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: at the time, but it's a it's a decent clip
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: because he says he they're like standing on a penthouse,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: right and they're looking at like the city scape of Miami,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: and he's like, looking around you, everything here was built
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: by men, right, Like men built all of this, and
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: throws like, are you sure women didn't build some of it?
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: He's like absolutely sure, but you see.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: It's it's not it doesn't matter that there might be
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: some truth, like a woman put a brick on one
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: of them, that like that's irrelevant, Like he's trying to
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: like diminish the impact of men just doing what men do,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: building things, building society, and I saying.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean women are also they can do they
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: can build buildings, they can like engineer you know, bridges
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: and all that cut two bridges collapsing and buildings falling down.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: No, but I mean, like the point is is that
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: throw can't just give that. He can't be like, yes,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: like men are an integral part of and a very
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: crucial part of what makes society functions.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: You know, he can't do it because it takes away
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: from women. Well, I mean, I don't know how he
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: sees it.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: He knows where his his come from, his febale has
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: come from. You know, he knows that it comes from
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: the undermining.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Of the average man.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: Basically, that's that's where it comes from. That's that's where
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: he's getting fed from above, from the vested interests that
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: want to undermine the average man because it makes money.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: They get this is this is a this is a
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: this is finances, this is this is money making. This
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: guy's making uh money on the underside of disenfranchising men,
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: Like uh justin I think is his name the redhead
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: and the road is making money the other way from
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: the disenfranchising. So you know, you have throw and he
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: is advancing a attitude in our world that directly leads
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: to the justification of extraction, like financial extraction on a
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: wide scale, like a widespread scale. That's what he represents.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: He represents those interests, and he's maintaining those interests, and
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: those interests have a have a very strong interest in
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: undermining the average man. And I can go through all
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: of the fault lines with that, but it's very, very
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: difficult to do in this context. But just trust me
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: on this. He represents financial interests, and those financial interests
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: have a deep interest in undermining the worth of the
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: average man for many reasons, partly because it disguises what
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: they're up to. Okay, they don't want men calling them out.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: They won't want men having the bandwidth to call them
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: out or the institutional leverage to call them out. They
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: want to continue to steal. They want to continue to
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: walk out with the money bags out through an open
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: door in the bank. But anyway, that's what he represents.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: He represents institutional graft and all of the politics of
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: institutional graft. Now the undermining of men leads to a
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: situation where the dating pools distorted and only the top
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: ten percent of men, or however many can actually rise
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: above and gain the social clout necessary to attract a
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: woman because feminists have destroyed the social cloud of the
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: average man. So this the redheaded dude is making money
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: off of the destruction that Thiros group is engendering. So
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: it's it's like, it's interesting to watch these two characters
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: sort of butting heads when they both sort of rely
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: on each other to exist. It's fascinating and and uh yeah,
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: but uh but but here we go. Are we at
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: the point where yees?
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: So this where yeah, this is basically the main the end.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: I think this is basically the last part of the
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: of the movie that we're gonna cover, which is the
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: final like you know, the third meeting with HS Tiki Talkie,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: because like I said, Tiki Talkie is like the main
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: character in a way, he's like the main case study.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: And it's I think it's because he's like the young
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: guy that's coming up right justin Waller's got all of
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: his ship together.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: He doesn't care what he thinks.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: He's got a woman, he's got kids, you know, fresh
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: and fad is doing well, like they don't need you
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: know this anymore either, so you know, and he couldn't
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: get people like Andrew Tate or Andrew Wilson on at all.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: So he's at he's at HS Tiki Talki's house and
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: his mother, Hs's mother is there.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: So this is the woman. This is the mother of
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: HS Tiki Talky, the.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Same woman that you know had was with a professional
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: rugby player and had Tiki Talki himself, okay, or Harrison,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna call him Harrison, that's his name, And
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: he Drew was talking to the mom.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 55:29
  Speaker 10: If anyone went through and said that they agreed with
• 55:32
  Speaker 10: absolutely everything their child did and said, then they'd be
• 55:35
  Speaker 10: telling an untrue. So of course there's things that I
• 55:38
  Speaker 10: don't agree with.
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: And he knows that you've talked about wanting traditional gender
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: roles and actually thinking that in general men should order
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: women around.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Right, So THEREA is telling this to Tiki Talki. So
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: he's doing is.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: Again, he's trying to hone in on Tiki Talkie's relationship
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: with a woman's specific his mother, and he's trying to
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: distort it. I guess not in in in the same
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: kind of sexual register as the other chicks. But because
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: Tiki Taki's mom is the same age as thorough Through,
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: probably doesn't like women in his own age. But you know,
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: it's it's the same kind of thing.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: All right, let's keep all right.
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: Men should order women around. I think that's a bit
• 56:25
  Speaker 7: of an extreme.
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: You have said that you thought that you would better
• 56:29
  Speaker 6: to marry.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, so we just we just skate over that. He
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: just says, no, I think that's a bit of extreme. Yeah,
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: I think that men should order women around.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go right out on it.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say that, I think actually honestly, and the
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: reason why is because women don't understand the water level test.
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: They don't understand like a lot of women, I'm not
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: saying all, but a lot of women don't seem to
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: understand how systems work or call consequences. And maybe it's
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: a situation where women today eat hot chip and lie
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: watch TV, eat hot chip and lie as opposed to
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: raise chickens and can goods and know how to run
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: a farm. Maybe that's the problem. But right now, women
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: struggle with what I term operational thinking, which is thinking
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: about how inputs create outputs. Inputs go into the machine
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: and then the machine does stuff and outputs come out.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: And women struggle with that. And I actually have now
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: a whole bunch of research into the difference between men
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: and women's cognitive modalities. Men tend towards an operative modality
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: and women tend towards a social reading modality. So when
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: a mistake happens, a man will say.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: What did I do wrong? A woman will.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: Say, how did I read the situation wrong? And never
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: realized that maybe she made the mistake. So she'll she'll
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: go back to the situation, try to read where she
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: got it wrong and never realized that maybe she was
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: the one who did something wrong. It wasn't that she
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: wasn't reading signals correctly. She made the mistake. She put
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: the wrong inputs into the machine and got the wrong outputs.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: And so women can circle around this idea that oh,
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: we must be reading something wrong and never realize that
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: they are taking the wrong action, not reading things incorrectly,
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: They are doing the wrong thing right. It's like the nail.
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: It's not about the nail.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for the woman, it's.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: Like the whole scenario. So the joke is that there's
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: a woman with a nail in her head, right, And
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: then the guy, her husband, is sitting there and he's like,
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: and you can see him, he's just like, let me
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: take out the nail.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Oh no, she's saying, oh my god, I have this pain.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: It's like a sharp pain in my head. And he's like,
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's because it's a nail in your head,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: and she's like, no, that's not it. And she wanted
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: to talk about how the feeling, how the nail makes
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: her feel, as opposed to solving the problem, which is
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: what the man wants to do.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a man wants.
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: To take the nail out of her head because that's
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: the problem. But the thing is that she sees it
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: in terms of a relational question. So she thinks, well,
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: she wants her him to demonstrate that she is important
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: to him by recognizing how she feels. So she wants
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: him to read her and recognize her and see her.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: And he's like, I just I think you'll feel a
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: lot better if I take the nail out. That's exactly
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: the difference between an operational thinker and a relational thinker, right,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: Just take the frickin' nail out. Versus I want to
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: be seen. I want my signal to be correctly delivered
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: and when. And the example I'm thinking of is the
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: current publishing industry. The women who are editing or acquisitions,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: they keep reading the social network over and over and
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: over again, and the problem is that they are not
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: editing the work that they acquire, and they're also not
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: acquiring the work the market actually wants. So the error
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: is with them, not their failure to read the market.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: Right, you get the difference. So they just keep.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: Circling this and saying, oh, well, we'll read it more
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: carefully in finer resolution, and they never realize, no, they
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: actually have to take a different action. There's no reading
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: that can solve this. There's no reading that can solve
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: the nail in your head. You have to take in action.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: And that's why I think men need to order women around.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: Because sometimes you just need to take out the fucking
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: nail and not deal with the woman who wants an
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: endless report on how much you care.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: About her pain.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Right, Well, I mean again that only further like supports
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: the fact that HS is being unfairly characterized because Threau
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: wants to frame it. And then the reason why he
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: does this too, is it's worth pointing out? Earlier in
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: the movie, Throws asking hs Tiki talkie Harrison, asking him
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: about his mother and if she would approve of like
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: sexism or whatever, and Harrison is like, no, my mom
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: hates sexism, like like basal his He believes his mother
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: is like at least like a second wave feminist, right,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: So so Threau knows that, and he's like, oh, I'm
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: gonna mention what he does and see if his mom
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: like you know, grabs him by the ear and like punishes,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: grounds him for a week or something.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: You know. So he's bringing it up to see what happens.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: He's stirring the pot.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's see how she reacts to that.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, why do I want to teams pimbrunvo that type
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 8: of thing.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 10: The way women are stereotyped if they have multiple partners,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 10: to the way that men are I find extraordinary.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. See, so his mom is basically an absolute like feminist,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: which might be the reason why he's the way he
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: is too. Like I mean, let's be real, like like
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: oh shocker, feminist single mom raises you know, like gigachad hopeful.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: I guess like aspiring gigachad guy.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: And this is the thing, like they're there when you
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: when we say feminism created this manisphere, this is it
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: in a microcosm.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: This is although I will say that she does, she does.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: She does, yes, but I'm saying like, because it's her
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: son at the end of the day.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: But all right, yes it is. Well, I mean, the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: thing the problem with feminism is it disconnects men from
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: their ethical system. I know, he who must not. The
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: commentator I've been getting into arguments with race recently was like, well,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: what's a masculine ethical frame? What's a feminine ethical frame?
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: I guess for a feminine ethical frame, it's a frame
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: of care, of tending of milk, making a sandwich, and
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: using your egg apron or whatever that brick else. For men,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: it's an ethical frame around the fact that men are
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: bigger and stronger and have a much greater risk tolerance
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: than women. Like what do you think it is.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 9: Right?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: Women don't need necessarily they really should have more of
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: an understanding of their violence and their sexual abuse, but
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: they don't have to have as much of an inherent
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: control over their strength and their physical capacity as men
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: because they don't have it, right, So there's a whole
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: ethical schema that comes out of not just men being
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: physically stronger and having a greater risk tolerance, but also
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: how men bond, which is different than women.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: Like men's bonds.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: Are vasopressin mediated. There's some vacipressing in women, but it's
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: just it's basically like saying there's also testosterone in women.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: The volume is considerably lower, and the way that vasopress
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: and bonds express themselves is different, which is going to
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: result a different set of ethics and expectations. Go argue
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: with frickin endocrinology, all right, Go argue with anatomy, Go
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: argue with evolution. This is a reality. I'm not interested
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: in entertaining this.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, everybody is.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: It's not the case. Men have a different cognitive architecture
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: which results in a different set of ethics and virtues.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: Women can. Women can understand them and even adopt them.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: That's possible, right, That's I'm not saying women can't. But
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: they tend to originate with men. They tend to be
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: driven by men. They tend to be men will force
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: those ethical expectations on other men at the point of
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: a gun. Right that they will do things like force
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: other men to live up to these expectations. Women don't
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: do that with other women really well, I mean, I
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: guess honor culture sort of, but that's a different that's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: a different conversation. Yeah, so it's like, yes, men are
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: primarily responsible. Why primarily I mean almost exclusively responsible for
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: the concept of ethical punishment. And it's and we see
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: that right in the studies that show that women's have
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: a women's compassion is not mediated by the behavior of
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: the target. So if you have this situation where you
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: have two people, one is completely innocent, one has done
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: something aggressive or criminal, and both are punished, a woman
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: will feel compassion towards both situations. A man will only
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: feel compassionate to the innocent party and will actually feel
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: pleasure that the guilty party was punished. That is altruistic punishment.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: That's where it comes from. And then there's all kinds
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: of other things. And that's probably vast oppressing, right, that
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: sense of disgust towards or satisfaction in punishing someone who
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: has harmed an innocent member of your community, right, that
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: probably comes from the endocrinology. Again, you know, it's just
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: it's from first principles. So yes, men have their own
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: ethical frame, and feminists try to make them not try
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: to delegitimate it, try to make men not morally autonomous
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: from women, which doesn't create girls or women, It creates
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: robber barons.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: All right, just keep going, all right, So I'm jumping
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: ahead a little bit where a throw like you know,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: keeps sort of like doing this thing where he's trying
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: to like get his mom.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I guess he's trying to get him in trouble with
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: his mom. He's trying to get Harrison in trouble with
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: his mom.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: I love the way the mom is looking at throw.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: Threau should have realized that he's about to get it
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: from that level.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that thing's acceptable.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 8: That's the parents faul, that's not my fault. I don't
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 8: need to send to myself. I'll say what I want.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 7: I've had thirteen year olds come up to me and
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 7: I'm like, mate, why are you watching my stuff?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 8: You're too young to watch my stuff?
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 6: Thirteen year olds fourteen fifteen, It is probably like your
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: main democratic now it isn't.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Now, it isn't all right. I'm just pausing there.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: You know, who could really help those thirteen fourteen fifty
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: year olds their dad. Where is dad?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: That would be interesting, That's what would be interesting. I
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: saw today.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: I was walking Jojo and just so you know, like
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: how like relatively wholesome. Where I am right now is
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: I was walking Jojo with Lindsay in the park and
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: it was nice out and there was a grandfather showing
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: his grandkids, a boy and a girl, how to play baseball.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: They were probably like four years old, and he had
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: like one of those things on a stand with a
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: ball on it, and he was having them take turns
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: hitting the ball and they were wearing helmets and it
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: was cute and I was like, oh, I wonder what
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: dads are for. Like I didn't say it in the moment,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: but it was like it rid through my head right away.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: Now this is a grandfather, so it's like you know
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: these and yeah, they were having a ball. No pun intended,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: all right, So anyway, let's uh, let's keep going. This
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: is one of h Harrison's boys that from the moment
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: they get it. A lot of the what there's a
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: recurring theme in this documentary of throw saying, oh look
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: at these Manisphere guys.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: They're all really worried. So they have cameras on me
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: and stuff like, like.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: You know, what are they afraid of? But like they
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: know what the media does. Like that's why they're recording him.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: So this guy is live streaming this whole thing because
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: he well, for one is to protect him, which we've
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: always said here, always be recording. But the other thing
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: is so that they can use it as content, so
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: you know, and they did and I can't blame them
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: for that.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: So but anyway, that's why that guy's there.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: Huh, might as well get something out of this guy.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: Although it's probably why Threau ended up leaving in the
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: last what ten minutes of his documentary because it was
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: already out there and likely got more attention from Tiki
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: Talkie streaming it. So Tiki Talkie by recording this, actually
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: made sure that Thireau had to address it. And this this,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: this is this is where everything pivots. Guys, Yes, let's
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: go ahead and listen, all right, character.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 7: He is the one I'm worried about, so citizen, Yeah,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 7: we've all got the cameras out shut.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: As we spoke, I was increasingly aware of Sam's filming
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 6: and the eighth Chess was probably streaming to a live audience.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: Like, no, look, look, look you can see the comments.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, all right, yeah they're they're they well yeah,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: they're streaming, Yeah for sure.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah he's streaming this, and thank god he did because
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: this would have ended up on the cutting room floor
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: and he's.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Basically trying to reframe it again.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's having the chat be provocative, like the like
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: the chat can do anything except comment what you guys
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: that are watching this, you're being provocative right now. I'm
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: just letting you know, should like watch out with that
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: because it's very provocative.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: Over there, in whatever part of the world you are
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: watching this, you might do something provocative.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, look at what he's saying about tiki talkie.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: He says he's performing provocations for the chat.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: I don't see any provocations.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: No, I don't.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: The guy is answering your stupid questions. Throw I don't
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: see any provocations. I haven't seen one yet. I've seen
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: you provoking things and your sneaky kind of low key way.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: God damn, I.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: Don't do Does journalists like have like rubber sheets otherwise
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: they like just sort of stick into them. The mucus
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: just turns into this like crusty glue they can't get out.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: Like seriously, this is my question for throw do you
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: do you emit? Slime?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: Do you have do you have anything that you know?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: Do you have any do you have to hose yourself down?
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: After one of these documentaries, I wonder how far to
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: up his up? What was that Saville's ass.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Saville?
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder during that they like lived together for
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: a little while.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: But well we can talk about that. That does come
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: up here a couple of times.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's keep going all.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: Right for you?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: The only metric is really making money, like it.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: Does making money, being healthy, being happy. I wasn't doing
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 7: social media. I'll be up the city playing that game.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: I'm playing the game of life, and I'm playing it
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 7: very well.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: Do you believe in doing the right thing for its
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 6: own sake? Obviously you've got a couple of criminal cases, right,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: Oh look, this.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: Is yeah, yeah, criminal cases.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: He's so basically there is one that I know of,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: which is that he was driving without a license, got
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: into a car accident.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: But that's it as far as I know.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: And then I guess he went back and like there
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: was a warrant out for him. I guess they take,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: you know, driving without a license really seriously in the UK.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: But I mean if he was forming a rape gang
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: or something, he'd probably be okay.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: But he was driving without a license. So but uh no,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: I mean like, yeah, you have a license to drive
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: that car. You have a license for that license.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so there was that, but he's okay, So
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: savile is bringing I mean not savile.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Threau therew is. Sorry. I don't mean to confuse
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: those two guys.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Threaw is bringing up his criminal cases, which upsets him,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: probably because of legal reasons too, because these are like
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: ongoing things, right.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: So yeah, right, yeah, but I just want to say
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: something for driving without a license.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: I actually did that once.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: In the US. It was it was before the time
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: of like all of this immigration stuff, and I got
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: pulled over by like a Texas ranger and and he
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: was like, do you have a license? I'm like no,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: And he's like, okay, does your dad have a license?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: He's like, okay, you drive from now on. And that
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: was it. But apparently I guess he got into an accident,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: so it was more serious than that.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he got into an accident.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: Okay, all right, I don't.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 10: Have to say, done it just to get a reaction,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 10: so please din't or else it will end. If you
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 10: don't agree with what Harrison's doing, then why are you
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 10: making money off of it on a program by publicizing it.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 10: You're doing it because you think he's a controversial characters.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 10: You're making money off the back of it, and that's why,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 10: And that's all your programs are.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: That's like the best.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: This is the best thing I've heard as far as
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: the reply from any of.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: The people that he's spoken to. He probably didn't see
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: that coming when you say, hey, you're making money.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Off of people, You're exploiting people, which is what he's
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: accusing Harrison of. Yeah, you make a good part saying well,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: what are you doing? Like you have like a Netflix deal?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, Like honestly, yes, Harrison is saying controversial things
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: to get clicks to build his empire. What the hell
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: do you think you're doing? Threau like, mom, w yeah,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: like this, what the hell?
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: Like this is?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: This is the one moment that everything turned around for
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: Thureau and went back on him. And I think actually
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: the media has been responding to this moment and that
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: this may be what made them pivot from presenting these
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: people as uh, these manascure guys as muckrakers using controversy
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: to sell, which is exactly what Theireau is doing. He
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: is a muckraker using controversy to sell. And they twisted
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: it away from that towards well, these guys really aren't
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: that masculine and they're not really making that much money.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: All the chicks.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: Aren't that hot, uh, like whatever else they're trying to
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: attack now the brand itself instead of the morality.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: And I think this was the moment it.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: Pivoted and they realized. And the reason why this is
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: still in this documentary is because Tiki Talkie filmed it
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: and streamed it. And if it wasn't, it would be
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: utterly humiliating for Throw, Like if he didn't have this
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: in there, everybody would know why, right, So he has
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: to keep it in there because it's already out there.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: And that's exactly what these individuals. They're always used to
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: a situation where he gets to control the horizontal and
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: the vertical, and suddenly that's not the case and he's saying, oh,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: they're so sinister. Really really, Throw likes an asymmetrical power
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: situation with his targets, which is honestly sort of creepy
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: considering how much his targets like he was like ignoring
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: the men and owning in on the women. M right,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: he's got that asymmetrical or he thinks he has that
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: asymmetrical power situation. He's the one with the Netflix contract,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: he's the one with the veto on the editing, and
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: he gets he's going after these women trying to manipulate
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: them or destroy their relationships or cause them to implode,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: or get them to say something nasty about the men
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: in their life. Unfortunately, I guess he found the final
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: boss of of women. Of like if this was like
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: the uh this this has been the progression of trying
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: to confront the women in these men's lives, and he
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: found the final boss. It failed.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: All right, let's let's continue.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, well that's actually I mean, you could play
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: the rest of this.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: What's what's illustrative is how the tone of this changes.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 8: Let's go through that, all right, Well, even with.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 6: Jimmy from some of the Menisphere figures, Oh my god,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: I just seemed to have changed tactics to put me
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: on the back foot.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you deserve to be there throw And it
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: wasn't Jimmy, it wasn't h m s.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: It was hms's mother. You just got owned by this
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: man's mother.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: Threau.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: This is just a victory lap.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: The the savile conversation is just a victory lap, all right,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: So let's keep going, all right, and you and notice
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: how he's just he's just fading out of this conversation.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just fading out of this.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: Let's not talk about Jimmy Saville. And he tried what
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: about right, He's like, well, the minisphere actually.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Has seven there they give me Jimmy Saville vibes.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: Am I right? Am I right? Gang man?
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: And this is another thing that they do, right, Like
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: what do they say about doctor Warren Ferrell?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Doctor Warren Ferrell.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: They accuse him of being a pedophile, apologist and incests supporter,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: an incest supporter. So like when you know this is
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: the thing too, is that like if you're one of
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: these people that's like I don't know, like the you
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: you you need to condemn these guys because X y
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Z you realize the media is gonna throw us all
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: in one pot no matter what, right, like and and
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: and a lot of the claims that they will make
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: are completely pulled out of their ass, like there's nothing,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: nothing that says what they said about Warren Ferrell is true.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: Well it sticks, So it sticks because I remember Big
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Joel he made a video a while ago, a few
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: years ago where he basically talked about Warren Ferrell.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: He threw him in there and.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Basically like threw those allegations in there, and then of
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: course just didn't say anything.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Was like, well, I don't you know what. Conclude whatever
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: you want, but it looks fishy to me. I don't
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: know about you. Whatever these people have said this, that's it.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: It has been said this about this guy.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: When Warren Ferrell was a feminist, he did some investigation
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: into incest, researching incest, and that's where that allegation comes from.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure there's completely like an academic base
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: what he was looking into.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he completely distanced himself from it, however, and it
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: was also when he was a feminist, and it was
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: part of the you know, the general seven these craziness,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: so sixty seventies craziness. But there is some like basis
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: for those not not the allegations. But it's not like
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: they're they're bringing the subject matter out from nowhere. But anyway,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: just I just wanted to be clear about that. He
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: did not apologize for incest. He's not an incest apologist.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: He studied it briefly and then distance himself from that
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: particular research.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: Subject.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: All right, so I'm probably making it sound worse than
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: it is. Anyway, let's let's continue this.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 8: In genocide, you're a puppet. You can't say what you
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 8: want to say. You want to think about my.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: Opinion, which which way are we supposed to go with
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: the genocide of the Palestinians?
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: Thing like, which which way are we supposed to do?
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: You mean, like, yeah, are is that a left opinion
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: or a right opinion? I don't know anymore.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know that it's supposed to be a
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: left or right opinion, but I think the reasons for
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: the opinions are different. So yeah, the left is opinion
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: that Israel's committing genocide is based on the fact that
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: Israel is seen as part of the larger West, as
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: like the as a concept, and therefore the rest the
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: West itself must be opposed. And so you know, they
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: they don't like the people who protest that they don't
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: know what's actually going on. They just know, like you know,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: they had that same power dynamic framework where Palestilian Palestinians
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: are the minority oppressed, Israel is the dominant force. Therefore
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: it dominates them.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: But like, also because Israel's part of the Western, it's
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: considered part of the Western. Let's say I don't know
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: the Western entity. That's why it gets slumped in. So
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: I'm saying they're reasoning for it has nothing to do
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: with like like actually looking at human suffering, for example,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: if I were to but on the right, the people
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: who oppose it are saying that, you know, they're basically killing,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: you know, indiscriminately. They're taking out a lot of Christians
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: for some reason. Orthodox churches have been bombed by you know,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: Israel and such. So that's like the issue. But they
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: wouldn't call it a genocide either. They would call it
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: maybe an ethnic cleansing, you know, which is not the
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: same thing. And then I know, I'm just saying it's
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: not simple, it's not simply broken down. You know, there's
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of I've looked into it, there's a lot
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: of moving parts. I think that if I was asked
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: that question, is Israel committing a genocide? I would say no,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: it's more like an ethnic cleansing. That's how I would
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: say it.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: So, okay, I wouldn't say that's what.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: I would say. That doesn't mean anyone's dying either. It
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: could just mean they're being like you know, ushered out.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean I agree with it either, obviously.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm just saying I say enough controversial things. I
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: will leave that one for the experts.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: Well okay, Well, but the thing is, though, in this context,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: I think it's worth putting out two. It's suggested, and
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: I think this might be true that that Harrison is
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: not asking that question because he genuinely cares about the answer.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: He's asking that question because he wants to put threau
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: in a in a in a bind, right, because it's
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: It is a very difficult question because no matter of
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: how you answer, you're gonna upset people.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: And so he's like, well, what's the answer to this?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: But also he was fed this question by the chat
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: because if you look in the live chat, he says
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: it right before there's a chat that says ask him
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: about the if Israel's committing a genocide.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: Oh that's where, that's where the provocation.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah see look US two. Oh it's right there, US
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: two oh two five five. Ask him if Israel are
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: committing genocide. So he's looking at the chat and he's
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: getting his his he's getting orders from that.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: He's getting.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: Said.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: This is why Threau said, the chat was getting him
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: to provoke, getting him to ask questions. So Threau, questions
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: are provocations. That's an interesting Are the only provocations when
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: they're being asked of you?
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, ask him his body count? That's what I would
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: have said, ask him his body count? What's your body count? Threau?
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's let's keep going.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: I want to go through this because all right, all right.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: So anyway back to the back to this. So he says,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: you know you're a puppet because you won't answer the question.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 7: Okay, because I'm real. I'm real, I'm not puppet. I'm
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 7: not controlled. No one's my daddy, the Jews your daddy.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 8: You know that. I don't give a fuck. This is
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 8: why I say what I believe.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 7: And I don't need to add anything ever, nothing with
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: me needs to be edited out.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 8: Put what you want about me. On the net.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: This is why this remained in right because he had
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: the good sense to record it, to record it live,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: to record all of this, and his throw dropped it,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: everybody would know why. Yeah, so this, this confrontation remained
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: in even though it absolutely and completely undermines the entire
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: position of Throw and all of the people he represents,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: which includes the UK media in general.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: The UK media.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: One percent uses controversy and lies to get attention, and
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: it also uses what it won't ever term hate speech,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: but the kind of vicious propaganda that nations at war
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: directed each other. It directs said, it's scapegoat groups to
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: get more attention, to get more clout. So, in every way,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: what Thireau is saying these men do and he's saying, oh,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: you don't you want to be moral. He's saying that
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: the Manisphere is using or these extremists on the fringe,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: the Manisphere which is somehow become the whole Manisphere. He's saying,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: you use rage bait to get clout and money. And
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: then his mom h.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're doing.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: Exactly what you're accusing the Manisphere of doing. The whole
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: UK media, not just the UK media, the whole mainstream,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: our establishment media in the West is doing exactly what
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: the manisphere, that what they call the extremist manisphere. They're
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: doing exactly the same thing, and yet they only expect
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: the manisphere to account for that lack of morals.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: That is freaking hilarious.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: Thau coming into this.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: Creeping on these men's women, accusing them of being immral,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: isolating these men's women in a position where he controls
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: the horizontal and the vertical, He controls what ends up
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: in the actual product, which is an asymmetrical power relationship,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: and he's honing in on these women in that asymmetrical
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: with an asymmetrical power over them and trying to provoke
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: them into saying shit about their men. Right, that's what
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: Thereau is doing in order to hoover it up as
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: some kind of salacious content or destroy their relationships or
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: take custodial ownership over these women, and then saying to
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: these men, oh, don't you think that what you're doing
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: is immoral? While he's using the same controversy to drive
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: his own clout and make money. The guy is a
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: utter sleezebag. He's just freaking sleezy. But let's let's keep
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: going because he's been called out? So what what what
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: is he going to pivot to?
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 6: All Right, Hs's declaration to his camera and his live
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 6: audience was I realized his grand finale.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: Yep, you're a fan of H.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: So like now we have the clips go out viral,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: like they just basically upload a bunch of clips of
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: him being confronted.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Do you want to play those? Or should I skip to.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: The next Just keep going, just keep going?
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: All right? All right?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 6: Within minutes, content from the stream had gone viral.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: Through your bullshit was called out into.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 6: Short snippets with clickbait headlines.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 8: You're a poppet. You can't say what you want to say.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: Louise over by the fucking juice.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: Okay, this is this is yeah, this is okay.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: So it's funny because he's he's saying, oh my god,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: he recorded me, and then he edited the footage and
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: he made clickbait headlines to frame it a certain way.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: It feels like ship, doesn't it.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe they do that to us, the media.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: It's so weird, like he's a victim of his own tactic.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna cry a single tear for thorough Yeah.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: God, damn all right.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: Let's keep going, all right, because he's got to turn
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: this around, right, he's got to find some way to
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: hit back. He's the row down but out.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 8: Oh good, let's char lem five minutes.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: You hear that note of pain in his voice. He's like,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: I came here to expose the man with sphear, and
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: I got exposed, and I I feel really bad. I
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: feel like you should feel sympathy for me. Like that
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: that pain in his voice. Now he's playing the victim. Huh,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: you chose the rules, throw you chose, you chose the combat,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: you chose the field of combat, and you were bested. Yeah, okay,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: let's keep going unfolded.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 7: Very differently, even with a good night Jimmy, and he
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 7: couldn't re edit it.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 6: The anonymous comment is marionetteing hs's performance as they fed
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 6: him question.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: See see now he's attacking this idea, that.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: And that.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: That exactly what he was accused of being a marionette.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't say he's a marionette of any particular ethnic group.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: I think he's a marionette at those points. Aforementioned financial
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: interests that have an investment in underselling men generally right,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: there wants to undermine anything associated with manhood. But he's
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: accusing HMS Tiki Talkie of the very thing that he
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: was accused of. So you see, this is a no you.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: Right, he's doing the no you.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm rubber and you're glue HMS tiki talkie, that's
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: what he's doing. Okay, yep, this is this is hilarious
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: genocide of all the material.
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  Speaker 6: What I was most struck by with the moments with
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: Hs's mum before the interview is just.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: What that you the thing he's from Now he's trying.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: To he's trying to make him look like a mama's
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: boy because him and his mother are, like, you know,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: working together on some things or there or there.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: Are having an argument over a juice bar.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 8: Embarrassed.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 10: All right, don't be rude. That's not the way I've
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 10: brought you up. I don't be rude because it's a
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 10: reflection on man.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: And that has nothing to do with the juice bar.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: See.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: He thinks that because this guy like was cleaning something,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: that that's somehow like I don't know, like makes him
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: less of a man or something.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But the thing is that he already streamed this
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: who doesn't care.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he's obviously the one that streamed this. But like,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: so what is what does the row think? He's like
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: proving that's what I'm saying.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: It sounds like they had an argument over a juice bar.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't even know what that was.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: I don't want you to be rude, which is freaking
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: hilarious because she's like she delivers the most savage blow
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: and she's like, don't be rude.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: She was, She wasn't rude when she said it. You
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: ended like a sniper.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like sniper.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a I could It's easy, too easy easy.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: I could sort of see why she he brought her
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: in well yeah, just just to just to do that,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: to snipe this far.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: But yeah, like I does this matter? Yes? Not really?
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: Have you not seen like.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: People have arguments with their parents about things and it
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: wasn't really that big of an argument. She's just telling
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: him to be polite, right.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: Yep, that's exactly.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: That's almost like look at this guy out the wife.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: So these are just clips of like I think that's
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: the end of that. Do you want to I mean,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: this is uh, well, let's watch.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: It because we are what we're witnessing is how Thireau
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: is trying to solve a his position. All right, that's
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: like the most interesting part. So now this is is
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: this like the young.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: This is young Justin Waller.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: I think, all right, okay, this is sort of creepy.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: But oh it's Ed Matthews.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: He's the other the British guy.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: That was a different guy. Okay.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 6: It's tempting to see the extreme male influences as adversaries
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 6: sewing hate, and in some ways they all.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: Okay, stop there. You just got called out big time.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: You're a muckraker and you are using controversy and rage
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: bait to gain clout and money exactly the same thing
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: you accused the extremest manisphere of doing. And this is
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: your response to show one of them as a kid
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: eating marshmallows and saying, oh, well, it's hard to to
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: see them, you know, like just just it's easy to
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: just see them a spewing hate. Well, considering that they
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: just called you out on what you're accusing them of,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: it's hard to continue to accuse them of that, isn't it. Okay,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: let's keep going, all right.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: And I was loved. I wanted to be a doctor
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: because that's what my Filipino grandparents said. I wanted to
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: be one of the very few stereotypes.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 6: They are also products of a culture growing up online
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 6: in a world that's changing at dizzying speed.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: You just got your ass handed to you. You no
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: longer control the narrative. And this is what you're saying.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: They're they're part of a culture where people like you
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: no longer control the narrative.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: There, well, he's gonna fall on like one of the
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: oldest arguments.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: Oh we get yes, so listen to this.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back just the ten seconds.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 6: But they are also products of a culture growing up
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 6: online in a world that's changing at dizzying speed. Now, opportunities,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 6: why are.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: Those narrowing old entitlements of men who have been challenged?
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the whole Like men don't have all the
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: power anymore. And that's like really, you know, frustrating and
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: bad for minutes. Why they're mad because they've lost their privilege.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: You know, equality feels like oppression the people who have
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: always had privilege.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah is the language.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: This is exactly the language. This is why I say
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: the threau is a mouthpiece for those financial interests, for
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: those Robert barons who want to silence men because men
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: are the only ones who would call them to account
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: for their open theft. That's what this is, oh, men
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: establishing an ethical structure is entitlement, right, So, men keeping
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: the discipline of the free market, preventing big institutions from
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: using the FED to backstop their risks, to pay to
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: socialize their losses and capitalize their gains.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: That was the entitlement of the.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: Old male system. This is what this guy is doing.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: He is destroying the recognition of what men did in
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: the past by calling it entitlement when it was in
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: fact a benefit to all of us that men did it.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: And that's this is why I say he's part of that.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: He's a puppet of that.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: Not the Jews, you know, I'm not really.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: Sure it's necessary, but specifically the men who want or
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: men and women who are making bank off of removing
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: any kind of ethical oversight, and that ethical oversight would
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: have come from men. That's why they say this shit,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: because they don't want to have to deal with being
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: called out as thieves and sneaky fuckers.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 6: All right, Okay, it is perhaps not surprising that some
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 6: have sought the comfort of a simplified world of game
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 6: heckx and conspiracy theories.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: Patriarchy, it struck me. Okay, all right, so patriarchy, right,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: that's a conspiracy theory. And again he's doing the same thing.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: He's chasing cloud and money. The Roe is chasing using
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: controversy to chase clout and money. Right, it's okay, so
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: let's keep going, all right.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 6: Molight curately describes the algorithmic prison they've created for their followers.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: What the frick are you talking about? So now he's
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: attacking the allowed algorithm.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: So he's saying that.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: He's saying that these guys that use the internet, uh,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: you know, as as I guess influencers are in their
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: own prison, Allison, They're also in a prison of the
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: algorithm where they just have to make content for their
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: followers and they can't escape it.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: They're in their own matrix. They're in a prison of
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: their own making, Allison. Don't you see? This is drama,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: This is artistic. So what are you doing? Point? It's
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: so deep.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: What he's doing is he's trying to reverse the rhetoric.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: These guys are saying that he's a puppet. He says, no,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: you're a puppet. These guys are saying, we're trapped in
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: the making.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: You say no, no you?
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: Do you see what I'm saying?
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: Really establishment that that woman really devastated his argument. He
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: came in with a moral argument and he's come back
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 4: out with his pants.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: Down, his ankles having been.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: Spanked, saying no you, no you, no you Like that's
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: this is devastating. I've never seen such a turnaround in
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: terms of the media having its ass handed to it,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: and it's it's by an old boomer woman. Good lord,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: that's like I would that I did not have that
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: on my checklist for twenty twenty three, twenty six, Like really,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: but everything after this is a no you is the
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: old chestnut of oh, they're just losing their privilege.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not able to change anything. They're just living
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: in a world.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: That's that's left them behind, those old fashioned men.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: But so the men who are using the algorithm and
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: streaming against your control of the narrative, Theoreau have lost
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: their privilege. Actually, I think that more resembles what has
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: happened to throw if you think about it. He used
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: to have the privilege of controlling the narrative, and now
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: he doesn't. So that's not that's much it. That is
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: another no you, right, except it's almost reversed. He's saying,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: while you you use these old, these new tricks against me,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: and I no longer have my privilege. Well, it's actually
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: you who's upset at losing his privilege. That's another no you.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: All right, let's hear.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: All right, power.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: Of endless wealth and power. Okay, that only act at
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: the top, right thorough, But that applies to you even
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: more because your handlers.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: Have constructed this situation.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: Your handlers have financialized the productive layer that men used
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: to build and take have jobs in and create lives in.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: And you have destroyed it, right you have. You've outsourced it,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: or you have minimized it, or you have basically modified
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: it to death. Those are your handlers on the top
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: in the fat berg, preventing any more upward mobility for
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: most men. And these guys have figured out a little,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: you know, a way to get into the pie or
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: the slice of the pie by actually providing content that
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: those men want and can live vicariously through. And don't
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: tell them that they're worthless. But your side is the
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: side that's telling men that they're worthless, that they should
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: shut up, that their ethics aren't wanted, like they have
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: no right to have oversight over anything because they're men. Right,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: the free market system is toxic masculinity. We got to
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 4: replace old Pale and mail with DEI, and we got
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 4: a and a planned market, right, and that capitalizes the
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: gain or the gains of the big players, socializes their losses.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: All of that is on your frame there.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's you.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: You created the destruction.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: You created.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: You are part the mouthpiece for the people who created
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: the economic devastation.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: We aren't seeing it yet, but it's there.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: The hallowing out of the productive layer in favor of
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: the modified monetization, the deductive labor layer, destroying it, bringing
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: money upward, creating the fat berg. That's not just bureaucracy,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: but it is corporate government collusion that has disenfranchised all
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: the men who don't have a nepotistic relationship to the
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: levers levers of power. Right, you are responsible for that shit.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: These guys are.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: A symptom of it.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, so this is another no you right here Thereau
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: is a mouthpiece for the disenfranchisement of the average man financially,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: and he's saying that these dudes somehow did it another
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: no you okay, all right, the top, I'm the future
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister of the United States.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 8: I have launched the political party hold Row.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: So this is sort of like.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 6: Where the fringe is no longer fringe.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: The female president from taking power.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 6: Let's go where we are all increasingly inside the menisphere
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 6: and it's up to how we get out.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: Oh you don't, I wish, I wish it'd be great.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: We're all increasingly inside the manisphere. We have to get out.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: Like you see that, that's just fear.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: You know, you you're actually inside the femosphere, the empire, yep, right,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: the feminist empire, the feminist and financialization empire, and trying
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: to get out, and these guys aren't going to get out,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 4: and they're not going to get anybody out.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: If there is a way out, it's going to come
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: from men who still have a connection to their their
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: own ethical frame. That's where it's going to come from,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: and probably from women who let them have that and
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 4: support them in it. It's not going to come from
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: guys who are found an exploit. This is an exploit
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: like these. These men only exist because the average man
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 4: is disenfranchised. They only exist because because in the process
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: of disenfranchising the average man, treating him as a poor
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: a poor investment in terms of relationships, removing his social cloud.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: The average man used to have some social cloud, you know,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: gone and now in terms of relationships, now that's gone.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: And not just because they paid for stuff, not because
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: they were good providers, but because there were men ben
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: being in a relationship with a man was seen as
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: an achievement for women, who's seen as something valuable. And
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: and now we've replaced that with this idea that women
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: derive value from rejecting men on every level, socially, legally, ideologically,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: women think that that's where they get their value from
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: is rejecting men, which is constructed a dating landscape in
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: which only the very tippy top of the male pyramid
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: has the ability to overcome the clout deficit generated by feminists.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: And that's what these men are exploiting. They found an exploit,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: they found a loophole. They've discovered that if they have
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: multiple women after them by whatever accident of birth. They're tall,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: they're good looking, they build muscle well in the right
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: places that they can lever that into a fortune, because
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: it's now so rare for a man to be attractive
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: to women, and other men will look at that and
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: give him money just to live vicariously through his lifestyle,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: not because they're going to get anything out of it,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: because as you won't unless the these guys can sell
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: you how to become tall and attractive and put on
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: muscle in the right places.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 4: The only way that men, the average man is going
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: to be re enfranchised as a dating prospect is if
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: we destroy what is destroying the destroying that destroying their
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: social clout, right, and good luck, good luck. Well I'm trying,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: I'm trying, Brian is trying. We are trying. We're trying
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: to do that here, okay, and that's why we are
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: not The algorithm really doesn't like us.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I mean that's it. Yeah, that's it. That's it, right.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: I want to show I want to show you guys,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: what I think is important for this.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: The reaction to this.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had some people in the manisphere that reacted
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: to it and they didn't like it. They had their criticisms,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: and I think that they're obvious, you know, We've covered
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: that and more on this channel. But then there's the
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: feminist reaction and the normy reaction.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: Right, Okay, do you want to do a three parter
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: to do the feminist reaction to this?
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 10: Uh?
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I can just throw some let me just throw
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: some names, let me throw some titles of videos. We
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: can cover one at some point, but let's just look
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: at one. Okay, hysteria. Hysteria is a These are YouTube channels.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you the name of the channel and
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: then the title of the video. Okay, and the number
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: of views Hysteria reacts the new Manisphere Netflix doc with
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: Disgusting misogyny twenty four thousand views. Psychology of the Manisphere
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: Therapist breaks down Lewis Thereau's documentary My Little Thought Tree
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: twenty five thousand views. What Lewis Thereaux couldn't show in
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: the Manisphere documentary? Gregor Thompson one thousand views. Brianny Claire,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: I Love My Husband.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: Who Hates Me?
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: Which features screenshots from Into the Manisphere one hundred and
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: fifty one thousand views. Katie Keen Montgomery anthropological take on
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: the Manisphere two thousand views. Let's see, Yeah, the problem
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: with men today Lewis Thereau Inside the Manisphere documentary review
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: by Everyday Starlett three hundred and thirty two views. And
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: then there is one more I'll give you that I saw.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: This was by a woman named Teres. It got seventy
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: seven thousand views. It's called Louis Thereau exposed the Manisphere's
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: favorite abuse tactic, which she describes as darvo so. I mean,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: we know darvo is, she says, the manispheer engages in
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: darvo so, and she like gives example.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: I wonder any of them on any of them address
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: what ended up being the most based person in this documentary.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: Oh? Actually they they think that she is.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: Well actually in the in the darva video, which I
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: thought had the best clips. It's about half an hour,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: but I found some choice moments. We could do a
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: third part and talk about it. But she does go
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: after the mom too.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: Oh that would be interesting. Yeah.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: I'm always up for some female intersexual competition. Yeah, and
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: analyzing it. Yeah, yeah, I think fine. That sounds like
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: a great Schmorgesborg of absolute bullshittery. I have we uh
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  Speaker 4: have you have you mentioned since since we're sort of
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  Speaker 4: Chuck Norris, right.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna mention on the news show.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, all the goat Chuck Norris probably like he
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  Speaker 2: only went to heaven because God was looking for a bodyguard. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so he said, Okay, I'll take some time out of
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  Speaker 1: And do that. So that's my theory. I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: it's a good theory.
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  Speaker 4: It's a good theory. It's a suitable one.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: All right, So that's uh, unless you have anything further
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  Speaker 4: to add.
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  Speaker 1: Let's think we I think we got it. I think
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  Speaker 1: we we got it.
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  Speaker 3: I think we did well.
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  Speaker 1: Bet we're definitely gonna get netflixed for this, but.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, probably, but least least if you're on the horizontal,
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  Speaker 4: the vertical stream should probably stay up because I guess
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  Speaker 4: we didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I hope so, because because.
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  Speaker 4: It's just too small or something.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: It's because you gotta our mug takes up more of
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