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Katie Woolf spoke about this weeks Big Issues with Damian Hale and Dave Tollner · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: in the studio.
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  Speaker 2: Well, our good mate Dave Tolner, good morning.
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  Speaker 1: Great to be with you, Catie, and he has finally returned.
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  Speaker 3: Was excited the front he was.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody said to me, they said that was I was
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  Speaker 4: sitting in one of the shops around the corner. They
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  Speaker 4: said that was highly just walking past you to go
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  Speaker 4: outside of tackling, I said, tackle that book, I said,
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  Speaker 4: have you seen?
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  Speaker 5: I said, he's like a Sherman tank.
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  Speaker 2: Too funny. Well, I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 1: It's good to have you back, match and were worried
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  Speaker 1: you may not be able to get here.
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  Speaker 5: He was going to wear the mask today.
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  Speaker 2: He's been asking for you to wear a mask.
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  Speaker 6: Which is a little bit a bit different than I
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  Speaker 6: can't it's a PG show, this one, so you can't
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  Speaker 6: talk about the give mask. But no, look we got
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  Speaker 6: back on the Saturday. But do the right thing on
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  Speaker 6: the Monday was pulp fiction. It was pg wasn't it? No,
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  Speaker 6: it was it wasn't It was a good movie though
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure I love that man On Monday when Michael
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  Speaker 6: closed the declared the hot spot for South Australia. It's
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  Speaker 6: the sort of thought, well, mom threw me under the
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  Speaker 6: bus a bit with the community nurse and then I
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  Speaker 6: made the phone call and followed up. And because I
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  Speaker 6: work in the health sector and go to the communities
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  Speaker 6: and just do the right thing and go and get
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  Speaker 6: the test and came back negative.
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  Speaker 1: So it's the right thing to do, and maybe Glad
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  Speaker 1: it should have done the same. She's in a bit
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  Speaker 1: of strife in New South Wales for apparently being tested
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  Speaker 1: and then well not social distancing.
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  Speaker 5: Shields sailed through it.
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  Speaker 6: They love her down there, but she know she gets
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  Speaker 6: away with blue murder happy bum but.
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  Speaker 3: I'll call it happy bump. Well it's glad as or
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  Speaker 3: happy bump. But yeah, she gets away with a bit.
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  Speaker 6: But I think it just I suppose at the end
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  Speaker 6: of the day it's a little bit inconvenient, but you
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  Speaker 6: don't have to do much to get me to go
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  Speaker 6: home from work. So when the when they on the
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  Speaker 6: border mob brang me and said, we think you should
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  Speaker 6: isolate and come in for a test tomorrow morning.
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  Speaker 3: I say, no worries. I was in the ute before
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  Speaker 3: they'd even hung up Control Happy.
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  Speaker 4: That's interesting names, you know. I used to just going
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  Speaker 4: off topic completely, used to think about Natasha Files. Tell people,
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  Speaker 4: I said, you know what Natasha is? Spilt backwards? Won't
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  Speaker 4: we tell you?
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  Speaker 5: I've got no idea, Ah Satan.
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  Speaker 1: I actually like to call her organized Files because organized
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  Speaker 1: organism is very good.
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  Speaker 5: You've got to give a credit for that. Just spell
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  Speaker 5: her name backwards.
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  Speaker 6: I think she copped a little bit of a whack
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  Speaker 6: at the last election. I think she's only about eighty
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  Speaker 6: nine to eleven preferred.
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  Speaker 2: She's very safe about it.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, let's talk about about Alan Joyce on the nine
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  Speaker 1: network earlier in the week talking about this sort of
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  Speaker 1: no jab no fly policy. I guess you'd call it
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  Speaker 1: a little bit like like you're not getting vaccinated or
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  Speaker 1: being able to go to child vaccinate your child.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, it hasn't been locked in.
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  Speaker 1: But take a listen to what he had said a
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  Speaker 1: little bit earlier in the week.
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  Speaker 2: Just in case you missed it, take a listen.
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  Speaker 5: Got a new therapy for you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, found, let's just turn that down because now that's
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  Speaker 1: playing when it wasn't supposed to before. So I'll just
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  Speaker 1: see if I can quickly put a stop to that
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  Speaker 1: and and get the right audio on for you. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure what is going on with
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  Speaker 1: my system this morning, so we'll stop that one.
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  Speaker 4: That would have been nice to have a set of
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  Speaker 4: headphones anyhow, that's all right, Harlie and I are sitting
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  Speaker 4: there stair and in his space.
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  Speaker 5: What Alan just said.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to actually put a put the audio
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  Speaker 1: up for you so you could hear it, but then
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  Speaker 1: I realized the wrong thing was playing. But essentially international
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  Speaker 1: air travelers will in future need to prove that they've
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  Speaker 1: been vaccinated against COVID nineteen in order to board a
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  Speaker 1: Quantus flight. That's what the airline says. So the Australian
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  Speaker 1: flag carries Boss Alan Joyce has obviously said the move
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  Speaker 1: would be unnecessity when vaccines are available, and he went
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  Speaker 1: on to say, I think that it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a comm thing. Talking to my colleagues in other airlines
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  Speaker 1: around the globe. We know that Australia obviously shut down
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  Speaker 1: its international borders early in the pandemic and those required
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  Speaker 1: and those required those returning to quarantine. So the situation
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  Speaker 1: we've got at the moment is people have to quarantine
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  Speaker 1: if they've been overseas.
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  Speaker 2: But it could be that you've got to actually get vaccinated.
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  Speaker 4: Really interesting, Well, it's going to be a while before
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  Speaker 4: we have another Bali holiday, I reckon, you know, because
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  Speaker 4: the all the news is a course that Indonesia can't
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  Speaker 4: get vaccines because they're too poor a country, and they're not.
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  Speaker 5: Then we're getting the.
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  Speaker 6: Marshall today, the Premier of South Australia calling on everyone
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  Speaker 6: to be tested before they actually bought an international flight
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  Speaker 6: from overseas to test negative to COVID nineteen before they
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  Speaker 6: even come.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well over here, because I mean we're.
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  Speaker 5: So how does that work.
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  Speaker 4: You've got to test, then go into quarantine, then board
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  Speaker 4: the plane, so you've got to be in quarantined for
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  Speaker 4: a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 5: How long does it you.
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  Speaker 1: You it was over twenty four hours to get the
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  Speaker 1: results back, and I think they're sort of working on
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  Speaker 1: that to make sure you can get a more rapid one,
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  Speaker 1: is my understanding.
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  Speaker 5: But wonder if that's the same in Indonesia.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I think this stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Wif in my opinion, I think that people have the
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  Speaker 6: right to refuse a vaccine, and quanits have a right
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  Speaker 6: to refuse you on their planes. So similar to the
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  Speaker 6: vaccines around schools and immunization where some schools and daycare
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  Speaker 6: centers won't take kids that you haven't been given vaccines.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, I think that I reckon what's happened here,
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  Speaker 6: they would have sat down as an industry, just there's
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  Speaker 6: a few industries that were hit as hard as aviation
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  Speaker 6: across the world. They're a carrier, they link people, they
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  Speaker 6: link people to countries, so you can certainly spread diseases
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  Speaker 6: we've seen from the linkage from China into northern Italy
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  Speaker 6: where a lot of that started the COVID nineteen. So
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  Speaker 6: I think they would have sat down and did a
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  Speaker 6: risk in all or how can we mitigate what can
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  Speaker 6: we do as an industry to mitigate against us being
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  Speaker 6: shut down again next time there's a pandemic. So they'd
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  Speaker 6: be looking at it from purely from a point of
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  Speaker 6: view of taking responsibility for what they are as aviators,
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  Speaker 6: and they basically do link the world. So even if
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  Speaker 6: you have five hundred people on a flight. Four hundred
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  Speaker 6: and eighty five of them have had a vaccine. Fifteen haven't.
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  Speaker 6: You've still got the risk of fifteen people coming to
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  Speaker 6: another country that could possibly spread COVID nineteen.
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  Speaker 5: Ninety seven percent of who won't even know that they've
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  Speaker 5: got it.
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  Speaker 6: Well, look for me, some people do know that they've
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  Speaker 6: got it, and some people get taken out pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 5: It's just sad that I think. It's sort of sad.
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  Speaker 4: You know, like thirty million people die every year from
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  Speaker 4: poverty starvation. No one really cares about them. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we're not talking about well they don't. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 4: this is nonsense. The thing is these countries are going
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  Speaker 4: further into poverty as trade reduces because of these sort
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  Speaker 4: of things.
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  Speaker 1: We just open up and let everybody get crooked and
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  Speaker 1: then it's a huge strain on the health system everybody.
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  Speaker 4: When you say everybody, at ninety seven percent of them,
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  Speaker 4: it's not going to affect.
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  Speaker 1: But with COVID in a remote community, you tell me
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  Speaker 1: that that's not going to have an impact.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean the fact was all of the remote
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  Speaker 4: communities were completely shut down. I mean they're isolated anyhow,
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  Speaker 4: and then they were completely shut down when this COVID
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  Speaker 4: outbreak happened. You know, if they're deemed to be more
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  Speaker 4: at risk than other people, I'm not certain that they are.
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  Speaker 4: There's just this view that are because they're Aboriginal, they're more.
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  Speaker 1: At risk because there's different situations where there's chronic illness
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  Speaker 1: in some of those.
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  Speaker 4: Sure you know which people have chronic illnesses and which
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  Speaker 4: ways don't.
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  Speaker 2: So they can't leave, they've got to stay insight.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you'd protect them.
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  Speaker 3: But now the communities are open verable.
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  Speaker 4: That's what we do as a community. You protect the vulnerable.
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  Speaker 4: Why the hell does everybody else have to pay the price?
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  Speaker 5: Say that's so.
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  Speaker 1: What to protecting the vulnerable? What would you say is
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  Speaker 1: a way that you protect the vulnerable?
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  Speaker 4: Well, in some cases where they're really vulnerable, you've got
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  Speaker 4: to quarantine them, don't you.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're old, you just get quarantined. Well, whether you're.
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  Speaker 4: Sick or not, everybody else is getting quarantined. What's the
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  Speaker 4: problem with someone who's very vulnerable being quarantined or being
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  Speaker 4: at least you know, people who go to see them
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  Speaker 4: have to be tested and all of that sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: If you're vulnerable to diseases, you shouldn't be hanging around
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  Speaker 4: people who've got diseases.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the whole point sometimes you don't actually know if
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  Speaker 2: someone's got.
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  Speaker 4: So you test them, so you make sure that they
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  Speaker 4: don't get in contact with the vulnerable. But the point
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  Speaker 4: is you can't be just shutting down a whole entire
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  Speaker 4: economy because three percent of them are at risk.
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  Speaker 2: I take Look, I take what you're saying on board.
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  Speaker 6: Some people a consistent message, consistent position throughout the last
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  Speaker 6: eight months of a pandemic. Dave is not deviated, and
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  Speaker 6: that's why we love him. He's not like He's not
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  Speaker 6: like the Prime minister or Nick Xanaphon where they test
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  Speaker 6: the or the former Prime Minister Turble where they test
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  Speaker 6: the breeze and then which way they're kicking it. Certainly
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  Speaker 6: doesn't mind walking into the head breeze.
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  Speaker 3: Sweden. Sweden still going badly, but the color and the
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  Speaker 3: herd survival of the Sweden. Swedish minister's wrung me again.
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  Speaker 3: They've told her to stop defending what we did.
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  Speaker 4: We don't.
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  Speaker 2: Themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I mean, we can all have a laugh, but
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's pretty bloody terrible.
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  Speaker 1: In some of these countries, there is no doubt about that,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody really knows what is the
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  Speaker 1: best way to manage it. But here in Australia we've
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  Speaker 1: flattened that curve, whereas some of those other countries the
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  Speaker 1: curve is like you know, it is up high and
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  Speaker 1: it's not going well. So then for me, I think
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  Speaker 1: as a country, what do we do open up to
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  Speaker 1: those to those other nation.
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  Speaker 4: To look at Victorias Now, Victoria have just had what
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  Speaker 4: eight months, nine months of the of serious lockdowns. Now,
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  Speaker 4: despite eight nine months of serious lockdown, so the government's
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  Speaker 4: basically killed on eight hundred people. And you sit there,
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  Speaker 4: you go, well, hasn't that worked out well for your dead?
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  Speaker 5: You know?
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  Speaker 4: Now you've got inquiries going on left, right and center.
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  Speaker 4: Their economy is absolutely stuffed. It's cost in Australians billions
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  Speaker 4: and billions of dollars every year for the actions of
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  Speaker 4: what they did in Victoria. And yet eight hundred people
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  Speaker 4: have died in Victoria, you know, and everybody says and
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  Speaker 4: he doing a great job of keeping everyone safe. Well, hello,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 6: I think that I was just looking thinking about something
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  Speaker 6: else while Dave was talking that often happens. But I
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  Speaker 6: think I think it costs Trump or Trump an election,
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  Speaker 6: I really do. I think that there's a lot out
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  Speaker 6: of doubt. The pandemic certainly not.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's difficult. It's difficult to well.
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  Speaker 6: One of the legacies of Trump not only will be
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  Speaker 6: the fact that they've lost half a million people, but
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  Speaker 6: the fact that he actually got one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 6: million people to vote. So he's that sort of figure
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  Speaker 6: that brought people out to vote. But I think at
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  Speaker 6: the end of the day, their economy was going okay.
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  Speaker 6: The economy's actually spiked today over there. So now that
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  Speaker 6: there's a little bit more certainty around him actually handing
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  Speaker 6: over power to Biden, so I think, you know, the
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  Speaker 6: economy will keep rolling on. He's taken China on in
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  Speaker 6: regards to trade. He's trying to get manufacturing happening again.
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  Speaker 6: But I think the single biggest issue and it's difficult
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  Speaker 6: there because they don't have the same sort of federal
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  Speaker 6: control that we have here. So right from the start,
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  Speaker 6: I thought Scott Morrison showed great leadership got the National
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  Speaker 6: cabinet happening, so everyone was on the same page. Sure,
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  Speaker 6: you're going to have a bit of argie bargie between
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  Speaker 6: premiers from different colors.
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  Speaker 3: That will happen, and it has happened.
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  Speaker 6: But it was all kept pretty sick, whereas over there
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  Speaker 6: you don't have that national control. And so Trump really
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  Speaker 6: wasn't in a position to show the leadership which he
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  Speaker 6: probably should have in the end of taking more control
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  Speaker 6: and maybe put in some legislation around bringing states into line,
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  Speaker 6: particularly Republican states that had a view that you know,
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  Speaker 6: the pandemic wasn't as serious as what the Democrats states
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  Speaker 6: were doing. So I really think in the end, the
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  Speaker 6: battle of hearts and minds, I think that the pro
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  Speaker 6: pandemic people won the day, and I think it did
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  Speaker 6: probably cost him an election.
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  Speaker 1: Look, plenty of messages coming through on the text sign
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  Speaker 1: this morning. There's one here just because you're vaccinated doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean you're not carrying the virus and can possibly pass
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  Speaker 1: it on Sare's gazarin palmeiston. Another one here said no
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  Speaker 1: vaccine for me, not until it's been proven safe. You'd
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  Speaker 1: never trust a manufacturer to vouch for their product, especially
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  Speaker 1: if all liability has been taken from them. These pharmaceutical
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  Speaker 1: companies have killed, nimed, and injured plenty of people more
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  Speaker 1: than COVID nineteen has says that textus. So some on
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  Speaker 1: the same path there as you, Dave.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not advocating not taking a.
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  Speaker 2: Muccine, but some some thinking you know that.
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  Speaker 3: Dave, having the argument we had in April.
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  Speaker 5: I mean I got a flu shot once a few
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  Speaker 5: years ago in canber One.
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  Speaker 4: Thing was actually I think it cost me two underboxing
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  Speaker 4: at a flu shot else in the building was free.
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  Speaker 5: You would have been the same.
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  Speaker 6: I lined up thinking it was free as well and
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  Speaker 6: got a bill.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have just suffered through another winter.
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  Speaker 6: With a cold three sixty with Katie Wolf Joyce Maine,
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  Speaker 6: Darwin Electrical, a computer superstore will not be beaten on price.
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  Speaker 1: The big issues this morning with Dave Tolner and Damian
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  Speaker 1: Hale in the studio with me, and.
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  Speaker 2: We might just talk quickly about about.
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  Speaker 1: The situation that we've seen unfold within the Defense Force.
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  Speaker 1: We know that the Australian War Memorial is going to
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  Speaker 1: acknowledge the Brereton Inquiry into alleged war crimes by Australia's
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  Speaker 1: Special Forces, with its curators and historians to be given
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  Speaker 1: free reign to address the dark chapter. Well, it's being
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  Speaker 1: reported in those exhibitions. So the Memorial director Matt Anderson said,
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  Speaker 1: the institution is a place of truth and while the
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  Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of the thirty thousand Australians who've served in
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  Speaker 1: the Afghanistan War did so honorably and courageously, visitors to
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  Speaker 1: the memorial would be or would expect the darker parts
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  Speaker 1: of Australia's history to also be acknowledged. Now we know
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  Speaker 1: that there was, of course the four year investigation. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of people are quite surprised by what has come
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  Speaker 1: out of that investigation. But I think, as I've actually
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  Speaker 1: just said, you know, we know that the overwhelming majority
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  Speaker 1: of the thirty thousand Aussies who did actually serve in
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  Speaker 1: Afghanistan have done so honorably and courageously.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, It's just in a lot of ways, I'm pretty
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  Speaker 4: disgusted by these stories that are coming out. You know,
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  Speaker 4: there's there's very little acknowledgment of the role that Australia's
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  Speaker 4: military plays and the way they you know that the
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  Speaker 4: good work that they do and the vast majority, the vast,
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  Speaker 4: vast majority of servicemen that we're proud of. But I
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  Speaker 4: have to say, you know, there's elements in this community
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  Speaker 4: that are just salivating over this. You know, the Guardian,
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  Speaker 4: they're ABC. You know they can't help themselves, but you
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  Speaker 4: know they want to always paint Australians in the worst
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  Speaker 4: possible light. Obviously we need these sort of inquiries, but
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  Speaker 4: I don't think there needs to be such a media
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  Speaker 4: beat up on it, and I certainly don't think, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we should be disrespecting our tricks.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it does sound as though the appropriate you know,
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  Speaker 1: the appropriate sort of protocols are going to be gone
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  Speaker 1: through if indeed people have done the wrong thing, which
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  Speaker 1: it does sound as though has happened industry.
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  Speaker 4: Where you find bad eggs and you know they should
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  Speaker 4: be punished, get on with it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I haven't read the Brereton Review and probably not
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  Speaker 3: likely to read it.
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  Speaker 6: I think there's still an ongoing now police investigation into
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  Speaker 6: war crimes and the likes.
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  Speaker 7: This was a review, so that now the investigations investigations,
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  Speaker 7: so exactly, we're still a presumption of innocence in Australia,
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  Speaker 7: not that you think it doesn't stop people from shooting
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  Speaker 7: from the hip.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that there's a long way to go.
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  Speaker 6: In this and even the war memorial I think they've
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  Speaker 6: come out a little bit early to say that they're
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  Speaker 6: going to, you know, have an exhibit about this and
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: talk about it.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Sure, it's a dark from what we've heard.
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: I've only been listening to the media on it. But
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: you know, Dave's right, there's a lot of you know,
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: ninety nine percent of the ADF people are doing great work.
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: The sad thing about Afghanistan though, is that now after
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: twenty years we've had thirty thousand people involved in that conflict,
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: the US is sitting down with the talibank some sort
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: of peace deal.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: So you sort of sort of think to yourself.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: I thought that was a sad thing.
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: It's sure, but didn't Wasn't it all about getting rid
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: of the Taliban? And you know, you look at some
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: of these conflicts in the Middle East, and you know,
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: the Russians spent ten years in Afghanistan, cost them a
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: lot of money, a lot of lives, and then.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: History repeats itself.
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: So you know, it's a sad chapter and hopefully you know,
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: hopefully the truth. I think as Australians, we want to
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: know the truth about this stuff, and we want transparency
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: and we want people held to account. But also you
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: need to understand that, you know, warfare from the Second
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: World War, in the First World War is certainly different
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: to what the Vietnam vets encountered and what people encountered
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: in Afghanistan. And when you've got urban warfare and you've
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: got people that you don't you know, you don't know
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: what the enemy's got in store for you, that's when
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: people make mistakes. And certainly these guys have made some
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: horrific mistakes if you can believe what's been said and
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: if the evidence proves that, but they's still got the
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: right to innocence until proven guilty in a court of law.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Now, I want to bring things a little bit closer
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: to home again because we did learn late yesterday that
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: one of the territory's greatest champions, former Deputy Chief Minister
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: and long serving Katherine MLA Mike Reid, has died. He
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: was seventy five years old. He was first elected in
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: March nineteen eighty seven, and Mike was a visionary Territorian
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: and an integral figure during the colp governments of the
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties. He served as a Country
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Liberal Party Member for Catherine in the Legislative Assembly for
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: sixteen years. It's an awful long time to dedicate your
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: life to, you know, to the territory.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, look, Katie, I got to say, I only heard
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: about this this morning, and I'm a bit cut up
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: by it. Actually, Mike Reid was a good friend of mine,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: and it was a strange thing. You know, when I've
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: before I got into politics, I would never have believed
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: that I would be friendly with Mike Reed. All I'd
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: ever heard was he sort of public persona watching hear
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: on the radio and see on the television, and you know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: I think it's fair to say Mike Reid was a
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: bit of a pugilist and he gave as good as
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: he got. You know, his political career wasn't without controversy.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: But you know, at the end of it all, I
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: think Mike Reid held himself, you know, upright, and he
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: was a person that I found an incredible mentor and
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: a great bloke and a really decent guy, and I
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: was proud to know him. I'm terribly sad and devastated
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: that to hear that he's passed his wife, Anne, I
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: imagine will be hard to console at the moment. You know,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: there were such a wonderful couple and uh, you know,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: well known to everybody across the territory, most particularly in Catherine.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: Hailey tells me that he was quite friendly with Mike. Read.
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, we lived in Catherine from seventy five to
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: nineteen eighty and Mum and Dad were very good friends
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: with Mike and Anne and he was the local ranger
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: down at the low level, so he had the house elevator.
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: Still remember going to his house as a kid, and
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: so Mum and Dad have remained friends with them right through.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: And Mom didn't know actually when I told her yesterday,
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: so she was quite upset about it because her and
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: Anne and still communicate today.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: And Mike and.
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: Even though he landed on the other side of politics,
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: you know, Dad and him had a great relationship, and
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: you know, it is a sad day. And Catherine have
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: had some great members over the time. You know, Fay
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: Miller's another one who comes to mind, and you know
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: FA's the mayor there now and she was a member
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: and down in that area as well.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: So you know, rest in peace, Mike reed. He was
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: a good.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: Territory and you know, seventy five isn't that old nowadays?
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: So apparently he had a short illness and has passed away.
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: But you know, certainly condolences to Anne and and the
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: rest of the family.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of love to his whole family. I didn't
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: know Mike, but certainly from what you two have told
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: me this morning and what I've read and heard, he
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: was a great general.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: I know, he was a great guys out about that
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: could be the life of the party, and a mad ornithologist.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Love these birds, complete mad bird watchers.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, good morning. Well we are going to have to
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: leave it there for this morning. Dave Tolmer and Damian Hale.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Great to have you by particular.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: I got to say, great to see the big boy back.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean. This character Staff has caused
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: him so much trouble.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: It's caused him so.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Much trouble to.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: See my mom and mad and Greta.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: It's one of the things that I envy you for.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: You know, as you know, with politics, it's not always
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: easy to get around the territory, but you seem to
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: be giving a good crack now and some of those places,
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: you know, they're great to get out to, and even
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: better if you can find a bit of time to
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: cast a line or yeah that's peg or yeah, a
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: little bit of hunting or something like that.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: You know, really good, that's a good job.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I enjoyed. Going to the Aboriginal communities is great fun.
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: And you know, going to warm me younger tomorrow.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: So oh well, we'll have fun, mate and we'll get
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: to both hopefully.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Or you might not be here next week, Kaylee, but
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: you'll be back. Dave, he's my most reliable guest. He's always.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: But it's always been the case, not just in the.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Last fifteen seconds.
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: He hasn't had a go at Michael Gunner today and
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: that is the best thing about me turning up because
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: all these people have been ringing me gun You've got
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: to get back in there. Tolly's just having a free
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: shot at everyone. He's just flicking mud and it's some
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: sticking some.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: I think I have a crack at just because I've
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: had a lot. These politics we got we can get
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: close to get to the news.
• 24:05
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