Latest / The Art of Costume Podcast / Marie Antoinette
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- 0:13Kirsten Dunst look so good in the same.
- 0:16I do love the colors. I will say that from a costume
- 0:19point of view, like it became a costume with the fan but yeah.
- 0:24Other than that, I'd be a good scene.
- 0:27Very very nice. Yeah man.
- 0:30Fantastic scene, great costuming also, it's nice block cast time
- 0:45has with joy glass, it's just we Spencer Williams bugs or
- 0:51Elizabeth little Spencer, those technical friends, but I hit up
- 0:57Google translate before this. Yeah.
- 1:00Let's put that egg. I took three years of French and
- 1:02don't remember a single thing. That's how I am with Spanish to
- 1:07ya. Am I one French teacher that I
- 1:09had for two years was like French like from France and
- 1:15literally nothing? Oh man.
- 1:18Yeah, I took Spanish forever. Like, I think we started first
- 1:22grade. I went all the way to the
- 1:23Finish. Yeah, first grade because, you
- 1:26know, I live in Southern California.
- 1:27Hm. I believe I were always Way to
- 1:30junior year of high school. Maybe maybe sophomore, at least
- 1:34sophomore, but I feel like I just for some of those years.
- 1:38We learn the same things over and over and over, like yeah.
- 1:41Colors months of the year like simple, things rafter while
- 1:45you're like, okay, okay. I get it like I could say the
- 1:48days of the week, but then he way all the way till high school
- 1:51and suddenly were like learning how to actually speak it.
- 1:54But by that point I was I was only here.
- 1:57Like I can't do this now. I'm just trying to graduate,
- 2:01bro. Yeah, I would love to learn like
- 2:05other languages. It's just like every time, I
- 2:07like, like, get into it. I'm just like English.
- 2:10It's two different for a long time.
- 2:12Yeah. Like, I'd have a hard time
- 2:14finding like a bridge where I'm like.
- 2:16Yeah, I can understand this and like, well, they have those apps
- 2:20now or you could just like learning a language on your
- 2:23phone. I tried to learn language on
- 2:28your cellular. Device.
- 2:30Now I do have Duolingo but it's just like, who has the time?
- 2:35You have the time, you know? Really.
- 2:38No. Oh no, no, no.
- 2:42I like gosh I have a hard time just finding time to do what I
- 2:47actually want to. Yeah, I got behind this week
- 2:51because I'm like, you know what? I got home.
- 2:53Like I wasn't closing, but I also liked wasn't didn't get
- 2:56home early from work and I was like I should do X.
- 3:00Lindsay and I was like, no, I'm going to watch Star Trek
- 3:03Enterprise and played The Sims, and that is how my evening is
- 3:06going. No, I feel you.
- 3:09I worked. And I like 14 hour days every
- 3:13day for the past, like, six days.
- 3:15Yeah, Spencer why, you know, I just gotta get that bag as they
- 3:21say, I don't know. I just hate myself, but I'm
- 3:26excited to be here with you. I've been looking forward On
- 3:30this week's episode of hot girls summer.
- 3:33Yes because this is the most hot girl of all hot girl costume
- 3:37design films, we could watch. Absolutely, absolutely Spencer.
- 3:43What did we watch this week this week?
- 3:46We watched it two thousand. And let me say that again, the
- 3:49nebula this week we watched the two that 2006 film Miry
- 3:55Antoinette. I cannot say 2006.
- 4:00Sounds like you're going to say 2007.
- 4:01I was like, Spencer, that's that's incorrect.
- 4:04Two thousand thousand. That's kind of a weird word
- 4:08isn't it. Anyways, we watch Marie
- 4:09Antoinette as we said last week. I've never seen this film, but
- 4:14yet, I hear everyone talked about all the time.
- 4:17Costume designer, Molina Cannon Arrow.
- 4:19It's just an iconic film. And I'm so excited.
- 4:22I got to watch it because I absolutely loved it.
- 4:24Elizabeth. I know this is like one of the
- 4:27best. . Films.
- 4:31Especially for costume. It's like what were your like
- 4:34first thoughts? First thoughts.
- 4:38It's different. It's definitely a different kind
- 4:40of film right. I was very excited about it
- 4:44actually I thought it was going to be like very I don't know I
- 4:48guess kind of like not dry but a little bit like the Emma films
- 4:53Pride and Prejudice like I which I know totally different time
- 4:56periods but very just kind of like it wasn't period in sense
- 5:00that this felt like a modern retelling of the story.
- 5:03I saw more of the summary said that this is like an electric
- 5:07Telling of the story of Marie Antoinette, which I thought was
- 5:10really cool because that's how I would describe it.
- 5:11It was very Punk and very modern.
- 5:14The music was very fun so I loved it.
- 5:17It was great. I loved every scene.
- 5:21It is. It is such a great film and I
- 5:23feel like it's one of the first that kind of does that like, oh,
- 5:28the music is really important but it's like modern more modern
- 5:32music. Yeah, it's not appropriate to
- 5:35the period. So it's really interesting and
- 5:39why don't you start us off with a summary Spencer?
- 5:43Okay, from her marriage to the French stuffing, Louis at 14 and
- 5:48the rights to the throne at 19 Marie.
- 5:50Antoinette is a modern retelling of France's most iconic, but
- 5:54ill-fated Queen, and that is Marie Antoinette.
- 5:58Have an obscene, Marie Antoinette.
- 6:00It is free on, Hulu. Go go.
- 6:02Watch it. Be free.
- 6:04It's very good. His Very good.
- 6:07It's very, it's a, it's a weird earlier movie.
- 6:12It's definitely not there. Like there's no Central
- 6:15storyline, right. It's literally just her living
- 6:19her life. It was kind of like her, living
- 6:22her life. But in like a series of art, I
- 6:24don't know, just felt like, yeah, film just kind of seeing
- 6:27her life play from like beginning to end.
- 6:30I felt like all the context of what's actually happening
- 6:32because it didn't matter. We all know how it ends.
- 6:36Yeah, we all know how It ends and it's like because she she
- 6:40liked telling Sofia Coppola wanted to tell Marie Antoinette
- 6:44story from like a sympathetic view point.
- 6:46That's like she was a literally raised to go have babies like
- 6:55her, which is really strange because her mother was Maria
- 7:00Theresa of Austria powerful intelligent woman.
- 7:07Sound Austrian throne for I don't know how years did lots of
- 7:12Public Service like introduced vaccines did like a lot of good
- 7:17work for her people but was like oh my girls just need to like be
- 7:22pretty and have babies. No expectations that they should
- 7:30do anything she did. So she really just like I was
- 7:34like oh yeah here you're going to be the perfect bride.
- 7:37Ride. Right.
- 7:40Let's go behind the Wardrobe. Let's go behind the Wardrobe.
- 7:43We have director, Sofia Coppola costume designer, Molina Cannon.
- 7:51Arrow is there. We've heard this name before I
- 7:55am so excited. We all know Cannon Arrow.
- 8:00We have heard her name before she is the designer of A
- 8:04Clockwork Orange. Very London for which she
- 8:08received her first Oscar win The Shining Chariots of Fire another
- 8:14Oscar win, The Cotton Club, Out of Africa, Oscar nomination.
- 8:20The Godfather Part 3, the affair of the necklace, another Oscar
- 8:25nomination, and a very weird movie that we should watch
- 8:30Ocean's Twelve The Wolfman Grand Budapest Hotel another Oscar
- 8:36win. In and the French dispatch and
- 8:40Spencer. This woman is so incredible that
- 8:43we didn't even mention all of her Oscar nominations.
- 8:47She is nine Oscar nominations with four wins.
- 8:51Damn, like she doesn't, she doesn't play around.
- 8:55She doesn't play around Al. She's one of those like iconic
- 9:00costume designers. When, you know, just me talking
- 9:02to people do like, oh, this reminds me of like a cannon
- 9:05Arrow film. Like you He's like that
- 9:08synonymous with like just award-winning just iconic.
- 9:12Yeah, she has a room dedicated to all her trophies for all of
- 9:16her badass films. She's designed.
- 9:18Absolutely absolutely but uh it sounds like a Marie Antoinette.
- 9:24Was a little bit different MVC quoted her as saying about when
- 9:30she was first approached to do this film, Sophia gave me a box
- 9:34of macaroons from Some company I cannot pronounce their name.
- 9:40We looked at them and the beautiful colors and they became
- 9:44a guideline in a way. We didn't do everything based
- 9:47off them but they were definitely an inspiration and
- 9:51it's like, yes, this film is just a little macaroons that you
- 9:55can just pop in your mouth and not worry about at all.
- 9:59I love that this film was just so colorful and it just felt
- 10:03like the entire inspiration was just macaroons.
- 10:07The champagne you know, lollipops Candyland.
- 10:11It was just all of that. Yeah, it definitely was and
- 10:17there is a fantastic article because last year was the 15th
- 10:21anniversary of the film and Vogue did an incredible article
- 10:25by key and Bell called it was like hosting the ultimate party
- 10:30in oral history, of Sofia Coppola has Marie Antoinette and
- 10:35it's a great article you all. You should read it.
- 10:38This article talks about the process of making it from like
- 10:41beginning to end. And at the time, Sophia was
- 10:45like, a relatively new director, and she is like, you know, this
- 10:49needed such a large budget and needed, like, so much time and
- 10:54like, everything needs to be perfect.
- 10:56That she was thinking about making this film for a while,
- 10:59but knew nobody was going to give her the money until Lost in
- 11:03Translation with Scarlett, Johansson, and Bill Murray.
- 11:07Was such a success and then she was like I knew I'd be able to
- 11:10make whatever I wanted afterwards and she was like this
- 11:14is my chance to make Marie Antoinette.
- 11:16I love. It's just like, let's go and
- 11:21they got for what at the time. Was like a really good budget
- 11:24that 40 million, which today would be like just under 70
- 11:28million. So like for like a pretty
- 11:31standard period piece like a nice budget and it shows on
- 11:35screen. Not bad.
- 11:37No, because it's like, there's no special effects.
- 11:40There's like not. Like there's no CGI involved.
- 11:44It's just beautiful cinematography.
- 11:47Beautiful set dressing. Beautiful costumes are I say
- 11:52this? Takes me back to our Dracula
- 11:54episode. When Francis Ford Coppola, said
- 11:56that the costumes of Dracula were the set.
- 11:59Mhm. Honestly, the costumes were to
- 12:02set in this film to it runs in the family, so absolutely.
- 12:07Italy and Sophia she was like ready for this film, she talked
- 12:13to Vogue about her preparation for the film.
- 12:16She said I made reference boards that had a lot of new romantic
- 12:23visuals and John galliano's work at Dior, he designed some
- 12:28dresses inspired by Marie Antoinette and I loved that mix
- 12:31of 18th century fashion and Couture.
- 12:36Molina is a genius and completely understood what I was
- 12:39going for. She interpreted the ERA with
- 12:43such a fresh feeling and Palette Murray was into fashion.
- 12:47So we wanted the film to feel fashionable and it does.
- 12:53Yeah. The entire thing feels like a
- 12:56runway show to me. It's so cool.
- 12:58It really is in you know you know what, it reminded me of it,
- 13:02reminded me of Juicy Couture. Advertising.
- 13:08Yeah, in the 2000. That's exactly.
- 13:12Like I feel like the Juicy Couture people looked at this
- 13:15and was like, nice cow. Can we make this obnoxious?
- 13:18All right. Thanks.
- 13:21Tell you about the first time I went to a Juicy Couture store.
- 13:23No, I was so massively disappointed because I just saw
- 13:28there are tap their advertisement in like Teen
- 13:31Vogue. I never really liked looked up
- 13:34like what they did. I knew they did like Fans and
- 13:36Handbags, but I didn't really like look up anything else
- 13:39because I was like, I know I can't afford this and then we
- 13:42went to a really nice small here.
- 13:44They had a Juicy Couture store and I went in.
- 13:47I was so massively disappointed because I was expecting, like
- 13:51beautiful clothing, not like velour tracks.
- 13:55You like I wanted to be Marie Antoinette.
- 13:58What is this? So disappointed anyway at the
- 14:03time though. Well, we Rave about it now at
- 14:05the The time, it did not to very well Sofia Coppola told Vogue.
- 14:12I'm so happy, it has an audience now because at the time it was
- 14:15not successful, people didn't go see it.
- 14:19They didn't really know what to make of it.
- 14:21It means a lot to me that it continues to live on this movie
- 14:27made 660 million nine. Hundred seventeen thousand $189
- 14:33which like a tiny. Bit more than its budget.
- 14:37Not great, not great, not great. And to me, I guess, you know,
- 14:43now we even said this last week, but now that I'm older and I
- 14:46could appreciate it. I mean, I just thought it was a
- 14:49Flawless. Perfect film.
- 14:51I really enjoyed it but I guess I could understand why people
- 14:54will now have love this at the time.
- 14:56Yeah, and she based it off she based her script off a book,
- 15:05Marie Antoinette. The journey by Antonia Fraser
- 15:09who was really looking at, Marie Antoinette with a sympathetic
- 15:12lens, because up until probably the early 2000s.
- 15:16People didn't really think of her that way.
- 15:19It was like, oh this queen who indulged and then rightfully had
- 15:24her head chopped off like nobody, nobody thought to look
- 15:29at, like, oh, like she did what she did because that's what she
- 15:32was told to do not because she was some evil person.
- 15:37Yeah, I remember going to school being like today we're going to
- 15:39talk about Marie Antoinette again that evil hag who told her
- 15:43when to eat cake and she just ate macaroons all day.
- 15:47Yeah. And it's like, oh wait, she
- 15:48didn't say that. She didn't say perfect.
- 15:50Okay, so does she not actually say that?
- 15:54Because I was until when I saw the movie, I was like, oh, was
- 15:57that not true? Oh no, she did not say that.
- 16:00Damn, she didn't know so hardcore rumors because Clearing
- 16:06it up today. I think I think that was written
- 16:10that like line was written when she was a child actually and
- 16:14attributed to someone else at the time.
- 16:16No. She didn't say that.
- 16:18And like when he's like, God, help us were too young to rule.
- 16:24He means it in the film like neither of them.
- 16:27Neither of them should be. It should have been rolling,
- 16:30anybody, right? Rightfully.
- 16:32So they were like, take, like, they should not have been in.
- 16:36Art. But they also like the downfall
- 16:39of the French monarchy. Monarchy was fair PSI because
- 16:43while I kept the Nobles in line, it also kept the royal family
- 16:47disconnected from the people and like, her husband, did not know
- 16:52how to like, hit like his grandfather and I probably
- 16:56great-grandfather kind of ride that line, but he just did not
- 16:59know he didn't understand. Yeah, but anyway, Spencer after
- 17:07our break. Are you ready to just dive into
- 17:09the fountains of Versailles? I'm so excited.
- 17:12I have a plate of macaroons here and I'm going to see how many I
- 17:16could fit in my mouth during the break.
- 17:18I should have gone macaroon. I'll send you some I regret my
- 17:23decisions. Okay everybody go get some that
- 17:25gurus and then come back. What's up costume, nerds?
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- 18:29some cake? Always ready to eat some cake
- 18:33especially if it looks like this entire fifth.
- 18:36Oh my gosh, I love this opening scene because I feel like this
- 18:40is like the image of Marie Antoinette.
- 18:43Especially at the time, like lazy has a French maid to do
- 18:47everything for her. Yeah.
- 18:49Like just Surrounded by luxury. I really like the dress she's
- 18:54wearing because it's like just like an insane shimmies it
- 18:59looks. It almost looks like that.
- 19:00Really like tacky like satin. Yeah.
- 19:04Like it looks ridiculous but I love that.
- 19:06It kind of shows like this is who you think she is.
- 19:10Now let's take it back but I love that opening shot because
- 19:14to me this is just like I was already into movie because I
- 19:18knew like oh this is going to be artsy film.
- 19:20I'm like that first shot could easily be like a portrait
- 19:23somewhere. Absolutely.
- 19:24Absolutely. And Sofia Coppola she like put a
- 19:28lot of punk Revolution into this starting with this opening
- 19:32scene, it is modeled after the work of fashion.
- 19:38French photographer guy Bodine. It is from a campaign he shot
- 19:46for Charles jordan' in. D7.
- 19:52Yeah, that's cool. I love that.
- 19:54And I did, I'm glad he said that because I really feel like the
- 19:57punk influence in this entire film.
- 20:02So, I'm so excited to talk about it.
- 20:03This is just opening shot. Like, we haven't started a movie
- 20:06yet know and it's like this, very Punky, like could not care
- 20:11less and Edge of her and then it's just her as this girl
- 20:16leaving her home this entire Her, like opening sequence,
- 20:22reminded me of one of our favorite TV shows the great.
- 20:25Also, there's a lot of similarities.
- 20:27Mhm. I mean, the nobility were,
- 20:31constantly sending off their young women to be married.
- 20:35Yeah, it was a different time happened.
- 20:37All different time. And constantly Murray though, a
- 20:43looks beautiful. You could tell like, Kristen
- 20:46Dunst. She looks so young.
- 20:48And you can just tell like this is about to be a person who's
- 20:50About to go on a wild adventure that she has no idea what's
- 20:55coming also that pug like stop so cute.
- 21:00Right? Oh my pops one mops was taken
- 21:04from her. I was pretty upset.
- 21:06Gosh I it's like no wonder this girl isn't happy and I love how
- 21:11they kind of show like her excessive like lifestyle was
- 21:16like that without she was retail therapy shopping.
- 21:22That was her trying to cope with the fact that everybody hated
- 21:25her for something. She is like no part in like it
- 21:32was not her fault right? I was so stoked to see Marianne
- 21:37Faithfull as Marie's mother. What is crazy when I saw on Hulu
- 21:44that was for some reason to first name I was like Marianne
- 21:47Faithfull and what the hell's she doing in this but It's her,
- 21:51it's crazy. The singer of broken English,
- 21:54The Ballad of Lucy Jordan, that's sick.
- 21:58Yeah, yeah. She I think I think she her
- 22:01mother was Austrian because she talks about it in that article,
- 22:05so she was like, yeah, I'll play Maria.
- 22:06Theresa that's dope. Oh my gosh, if you want to know
- 22:10about Maria, Theresa and her because I think Marie Antoinette
- 22:14was her youngest of like 16 children.
- 22:16Hmm. This woman had like a butt load
- 22:18of kids. Lindsay holiday, history, tea
- 22:23time with lynsey holiday has a couple of really great series
- 22:27because mmm Maria. Theresa like the didn't always
- 22:31do the right thing but was an incredible female leader for her
- 22:35time, right after? Check it out.
- 22:38But Maria is costume. We see her in the beginning
- 22:41though you could tell like she is not, you know, we're about to
- 22:45see the world of France. She's not from there like her
- 22:47costume. Says like she's Austrian just So
- 22:51many different influences of colors are much darker and more
- 22:54set, and like a realistic tone. I would say yeah.
- 22:58Because everything we're about to see is so like hyper fantasy.
- 23:02That Maria is like the last bit of like realism we see before we
- 23:06jump into this Looney Tunes of a world where buff to dive into.
- 23:11Yes she's going from how I think her original name was Maria
- 23:14Antonia. Yeah.
- 23:16So she's like oh Maria Antonia shorter name.
- 23:20Mmmmm simpler dress. Yeah.
- 23:24And I love her her Austrian looks because they're so
- 23:28childlike. And I think in this film it's
- 23:31hard to realize because they don't really talk about how old
- 23:34they are but it's like, she's 14.
- 23:36Yeah. She's 14.
- 23:38Yeah, she's a baby, she's a baby and she is literally being
- 23:42stripped of everything she's ever known it.
- 23:45Go marry this Prince and she comes out looking like an
- 23:47entirely different person. That first look.
- 23:51Shut up is so good. I already knew as soon as I'm
- 23:55like okay I'm gonna love this film that blue look with the hat
- 24:02to die for. Yeah to die for.
- 24:05And I feel like this is really the iconic look from this movie
- 24:09and I love it because it's like, she's so like green to
- 24:14everything that's going on. But I feel like they've replaced
- 24:17blue in the are green in this movie with Leo.
- 24:20Yeah like she's just this like powdery fresh baby who doesn't
- 24:25know what's going on, right? I knew this look and I've never
- 24:29even seen his film but I recognize this look from, you
- 24:31know, just being a human and seeing pictures of this costume
- 24:35since 2006 so yeah. Oh yeah.
- 24:40And we meet the first person she meets is um duchesse de
- 24:45chartres. I think I'll be honest keeping
- 24:49track of Of anybody who is not Marie Antoinette.
- 24:51And this film is very hard, very difficult, very difficult, but
- 24:56she meets this woman who's basically going to be like her
- 25:00guide through the French court. And I love, she just has this
- 25:04like very Stark red jacket and just like the huge skirt and she
- 25:10was like welcome to a friend's played by Judy Davis.
- 25:15I love her. She's brilliant, She was
- 25:17recently in Ratched. Really.
- 25:20Yeah, she's great. I mean, Judy Davis has been and
- 25:23you know, two million things but that's why it's Lauren recently.
- 25:26Yeah she has she was a great character.
- 25:29I also will mention that I feel like some of these characters is
- 25:32definitely just disappear though at some point of Phil.
- 25:34Yeah. You'll have to point it out to
- 25:36me because I think it's once they become king and queen.
- 25:40Yeah, you see a lot of characters drop off and kind of
- 25:43like who her friends are because um who's the woman who plays
- 25:47Moaning Myrtle, she's in this film, Umm, what?
- 25:50Yeah, I don't remember that. Um, you can tell me Moaning
- 25:56Myrtle. It's not just a one-time ghost
- 25:58that we saw in the Harry Potter films.
- 26:01She is not. Um but you know, the to kind of
- 26:05like middle-aged women. Yeah, who are kind of like
- 26:08around her at first. Molly, Shannon and the other
- 26:12girl. Yeah.
- 26:13They'll the shorter one with like the funny voice.
- 26:16You didn't, you don't recognize that funny voice.
- 26:21I'm looking at it. Yeah, you're so right that it's
- 26:23her Shirley Henderson Shirley Henderson?
- 26:26Yeah. No.
- 26:28I was distracted because that was Molly Shannon in a period
- 26:32film. Like that was very distracting.
- 26:34Yeah. And it's like I love her to
- 26:36death with Superstar forever but I was like is that Molly
- 26:40Shannon, what are you doing here?
- 26:43Get stocks such a, such a good stuff.
- 26:47I love this undress. Seing scene, which is just so
- 26:51awkward and cringy compared to all of our dressings scenes.
- 26:54But, uh, I still love it though. You know, I just love any sort
- 26:57of period dressing undressing. Even if it's like uncomfortable
- 27:01for the characters. I'm like, I just love this
- 27:03process. Yes, yes.
- 27:07Also very awkward and cringy. Their wedding awkward.
- 27:11Like I said, awkward and cringy for them.
- 27:13But for me, just so full of joy, these costumes were so so
- 27:18beautiful. All the large pain yeas and do
- 27:22you know how ridiculously huge ridiculous?
- 27:25Do you know what's called those like drapes on the back of the
- 27:29dress? Is there specific name for it?
- 27:32There is and I am blanking on it because I was actually thinking
- 27:35about the other day and I was like, oh, that's so beautiful
- 27:37and I don't remember so cool. I'm sure there's a historical
- 27:41costume fellow nerd, listening to us who's getting ready to
- 27:44scream. It was already screaming.
- 27:47Yeah, he's all right. Look Elizabeth, I have not had
- 27:51our coffee today. We're really going for it.
- 27:56I made the mistake of just drinking a try.
- 27:58When I got home, I should have actually had coffee.
- 28:01Um, but yeah, it's this beautiful dress and it is
- 28:06inspired by like her wedding gown while I don't think any of
- 28:11Marie Antoinette's clothes survived, even though she wore
- 28:14something new, she never wore the same thing twice and she
- 28:18doesn't in this movie. There wasn't just like
- 28:21financially, how and why? But I love they have like it's
- 28:27very clearly. There's this engraving of them
- 28:29on their wedding day and then there's just this famous
- 28:32portrait of her, which I kind. I don't think it's her wedding
- 28:36gown but it's giving me like The Vibes of what they decided on
- 28:43for the film. Definitely going for.
- 28:46Yeah. And I'm like, that's like a
- 28:47beautiful combination of the two.
- 28:49To okay, I have a point of reference.
- 28:52It is called a sack back down. Yes, there we go.
- 28:57Hello, do you think they keep the Nerds off our backs?
- 29:04And I feel so stupid because I like spent a lot of time in
- 29:07College learning all of these terms.
- 29:09And then now when I need them, right, they're just not there.
- 29:16But yeah, you could definitely see like the reference to like,
- 29:19Just paintings of Marie Antoinette.
- 29:21Yeah, this is exactly what her dress look like, but it's
- 29:24probably pretty damn close. Yes, apparently, it was
- 29:28completely silver and covered in diamonds, of course, of course,
- 29:33because the French just couldn't do anything halfway at the time.
- 29:38Um, another very iconic aspect of Marie Antoinette that we
- 29:43really actually don't get to see in the film is her wigs and
- 29:49Well, you talked about just the creation of Kirsten Dunst is
- 29:54Marie Antoinette, a little bit and MVC quotes.
- 29:57Were I saying, I got to take this counter age.
- 30:00Sort of story about a girl, who's a fashion victim in a way
- 30:04she starts off very young and innocent, but we get to watch
- 30:08her grow through the movie. I started by throwing piece of
- 30:11McKee material. At Kirsten to see what colors
- 30:15suited her best. I hardly used wigs because they
- 30:18weren't right. For her.
- 30:20We thought that maybe we could have gone more crazy, but there
- 30:23was just not time. And she was like, she also talks
- 30:27about this in the Vogue article where she's like, it's like the
- 30:31Whigs just like didn't suit Kirsten, Dunst, right?
- 30:35Like they just weren't right for her and like the overall look,
- 30:39they wanted for Kirsten Dunst as Marie Antoinette, but we do get
- 30:44this really incredible scene where she does were ridiculous
- 30:47way. Right?
- 30:48We do. Give it a little bit.
- 30:50I can't whip Molina was saying she's like, you know, didn't
- 30:53always work because sometimes environment around her was so
- 30:58crazy and over-the-top that she don't always need to be
- 31:02over-the-top herself. It would, you know, is still got
- 31:05the point across so at the point across and I love the wig maker
- 31:09in the movie. You get to see him a couple of
- 31:11times and he is like outrageous enough.
- 31:14It's like okay you understand like what's going on with her
- 31:17hair just by the virtue of how Outrageous.
- 31:20Right? And then doing her hair is I
- 31:22love the scene where I like it's her birthday and she's like,
- 31:25falling into the candles and he just blows everything out.
- 31:28He's like, don't don't you dare mess up my piece of art, right?
- 31:34Watching this almost made me go and grab the wig from our
- 31:38episode of the great almost, but it's awesome.
- 31:41Awesome, not 100 degrees outside and I don't want my, my head
- 31:45doesn't help. Yeah, no we don't we don't need
- 31:48a real. Antoinette her birthday moment.
- 31:51Um, odile Gilbert though. Who was the hair designer on
- 31:57Marie? Antoinette spoke to Vogue about
- 32:01it. The whole process.
- 32:02He said, I wanted Murray's hair to be extravagant while still
- 32:06within the bounds of reality. I designed her hair through the
- 32:12lens that she's a young rich kid without any sense of reality.
- 32:17So, anything is possible. Goes through phases.
- 32:21So sometimes it was massive and sometimes she wears it down.
- 32:25I would say, I designed around, 30 looks but didn't sketch
- 32:29anything. I would just start styling,
- 32:32Kirsten's hair and Sophia would say that's so cute.
- 32:36I love it. It sounds so easy.
- 32:40Right. There's no way it was that easy.
- 32:43I love these like dislike designer.
- 32:45Sometimes they're like oh yeah I just did a thing.
- 32:48Yeah. And it's her And out.
- 32:49Fine? What did the Marie Antoinette?
- 32:52Look. But I don't even have to write
- 32:54it down. Yeah, and we got lots of rants
- 32:58when it looks just within the first couple of days of her
- 33:01living at the castle. All, they're very.
- 33:06I want to say like Revolutionary War ask, because again, this is
- 33:10reminding me of American Girl dolls.
- 33:15It's very French Rococo. Lots of Beautiful florals, light
- 33:22fluffy colors just and everything is embellished to the
- 33:27nines. Yeah there's a ruffle on
- 33:29everything and if there's not a ruffle, there's a bowl of snot a
- 33:32bow, there's all sorts of stuff coming off flowers.
- 33:37Feathers I love the opening looks though because it is
- 33:41interesting when Murray gets there, she's really like playing
- 33:45the part. Yeah.
- 33:46She's trying to fit into all the rules dress, too.
- 33:49Way that she's supposed to dress and it's not really until that
- 33:52she actually becomes Queen where you see like that, evolution of
- 33:56like simple just kind of doing what she's supposed to and to
- 33:59just like full-on Punk Revolution fashion, show like
- 34:03every other scene. So these, yeah, it's really fun
- 34:06to like. Now that I've seen entire film,
- 34:08go back to the beginning and just really see that Evolution
- 34:10and her costumes. Absolutely, absolutely.
- 34:13And I love the scenes or her and Louis are together because like
- 34:18I feel like they Loci match a little bit.
- 34:21A lot of the time even though despite how like Fantastical
- 34:26this film is like the historical accuracy is like top-notch.
- 34:31So that's awesome. Usually you don't say that but
- 34:35what we watch usually I don't. But they really did a good job
- 34:39in this one of making it fresh and accurate like at the same
- 34:44time, but I love how they loci match all the time and they're
- 34:48just like really adorable together.
- 34:51Like not at all suited. No be married to each other but
- 34:54I like it. Like they just kind of respect
- 34:57each other. I was so hot and cold on Louis
- 34:59has like, okay, this guy definitely does not want to be
- 35:02here. He kind of sucks, but then
- 35:04you're like, oh, like this isn't his fault.
- 35:06Either like, this is also young guy who wants to stay home and
- 35:09play video games. He really does not care.
- 35:13It's not like I was really conflicted on him the entire
- 35:16time. Yeah, he like really I'm still
- 35:19like, I am and like make keys and like, that's all he really
- 35:24wants to do with his life. Like he doesn't care about the
- 35:28rest of it. Yeah, they want him to stay up
- 35:31for the sunrise at one point. He's like the only time I wake
- 35:33up that early is when I go hunting, which by the way, is
- 35:37every day. So how on this movie?
- 35:41I forgot about that but we have, oh my gosh.
- 35:47She was like She's hardly in the movie but she's one of my
- 35:51favorite characters and how down, Dewberry.
- 35:53Yes, she's so dope and absolute icon.
- 35:57It's I think I hope I'm getting the this I think she's the
- 36:02French mistress. There are a lot of French
- 36:05Mistresses because it was an official title within the court.
- 36:10That's sweet. That was actually one of Marie
- 36:12Antoinette's problems is that Louis did not have an official
- 36:14mistress. Yeah, so all criticism went to
- 36:18her Um, anyway, but i'm Dewberry a real life.
- 36:23She was famous for having her nipples pierced and warlike
- 36:26low-cut sheer tops. So people could see her like her
- 36:32the different piercings. She had for them, like she would
- 36:37have liked diet like diamond-encrusted like swans and
- 36:41stuff, okay? I am writing all of this down
- 36:46and I'll be doing my own research after the vodka.
- 36:49Guest. Because I know there was a
- 36:51French mistress, who did that. And I'm like, 90% sure it was
- 36:54her because she wasn't, that's a very bold statement, if it's not
- 36:58her. So, if not, we're gonna have to
- 37:00have a follow-up conversation. She was wild and everybody hated
- 37:04her because they loved the last official mistress, and she just
- 37:08like, did not exact. She had big shoes to fill.
- 37:14She had a follow-up Madame de pompadour.
- 37:16So, Of this. Yeah, so when you see Madame du
- 37:23Barry, her costumes are off to change.
- 37:26She is, if I say off the chain one more time, please punish me.
- 37:31I cannot be staying off the chain or cool, your jets
- 37:34anymore. Anyways, um, she's giving me
- 37:38like Alexander McQueen when I see her just so much fabric,
- 37:44it's just beautiful. The colors are dark and Gothic,
- 37:47she clearly does not Fit in here everyone hates her but they all
- 37:52hate to love her too because she always looks so good and if
- 37:56she's rocking that some diamond encrusted at nipple piercings
- 38:00underneath to I love it even more.
- 38:02But right right. I need a fact.
- 38:04Check that one first though. Hold on.
- 38:08Elizabeth's life fact. Checking it right now Daniel.
- 38:12We need like some Jeopardy music or something.
- 38:21Doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo, doodly-doo.
- 38:27Doodly-doo, the Seder. It may have been a different
- 38:31French mistress. We will update on the Instagram.
- 38:40I found an article but it was very long.
- 38:43Okay, well, do a follow-up for you all next week.
- 38:46Anyway, anyway, gosh, that's one of the things I meant to Like
- 38:51look up before we did this podcast and I completely forgot
- 38:55about it. It's all right, let's go.
- 38:57I'm gonna go to bed tonight and just do my own research so we'll
- 39:01figure it out. Yeah, we'll figure it out
- 39:03together as did. Asia are gone toe who played
- 39:11Madame du Barry and Lena can narrow our Gonzo said to Vogue.
- 39:17I started to get an idea of who did Barry was through.
- 39:20Working with Melina, we had meetings.
- 39:24So she could study my face and body.
- 39:26Before I even met, Sophia, they wanted my character to look
- 39:31different from the rest of Versailles.
- 39:33She chose a lot of deep Reds and purples for me compared to The
- 39:38Pastels of all the other girls wear to show that du.
- 39:43Barry wasn't like them. Yeah.
- 39:46Yep. Yank can an arrow says, also to
- 39:49Vogue. I Esther like an exotic bird in
- 39:53contrast to the rather naive innocent Queen and waiting.
- 39:59I love that. I mean it's the best way to put
- 40:01it like just looking at her. You're like, okay, she does not
- 40:04belong here. I don't know who that person is,
- 40:06but she clearly did not get the dress code.
- 40:09No, no, she didn't. Well, she'd have to.
- 40:12She was allowed to do whatever she wanted.
- 40:14Pink hair. The king loved it.
- 40:16He was like, yeah, French mistress.
- 40:24But I do love cuz like shoot like, I mean, people wore
- 40:27jewelry at the time but it wasn't, it wasn't as big as it
- 40:31had been in the past to wear jewelry and I love that.
- 40:34She's just decked out and so much jewelry that perfectly
- 40:37matches every single outfit she has.
- 40:40Yes. I mean, she knew what she was
- 40:41doing. She yeah, to put a look
- 40:43together. It just really upset everyone
- 40:45the way that she did it. It just wasn't macaroon enough
- 40:48for them honestly. No.
- 40:50No, no, it wasn't. But unfortunately, neither her.
- 40:55The king were longed to stay at Versailles Spencer after our
- 41:01break. Are you ready to see a movie
- 41:03Antoinette? The queen of France.
- 41:06Heads Will Roll eventually. Hi.
- 41:25This is Dan. Audio engineer of the blogcast
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- 42:11favorite activity, a ball of all, not just any ball a mass
- 42:17ball. I love the scene.
- 42:20I think it was probably my favorite.
- 42:23I think it was my favorite too. Because it's just so fun.
- 42:27Everybody's having a good time except for Louis who got himself
- 42:30into a very awkward cringy conversation, right?
- 42:35But definitely her new friend. The Duchess is having just the
- 42:39best time ever. And Rose Brin who played her
- 42:43said, for the duchess, can an arrow had this intuitive.
- 42:47Understanding of what Sophie is, interpretation of an 18th
- 42:52century party girl would look like I was I wore a few costumes
- 42:57that maresa Branson were in Barry London, which tickled me?
- 43:03Maresa was also once an IT girl of her time.
- 43:07So, would so to be wearing her costumes, for Sophia's movie,
- 43:11felt very special. So I feel like this is almost a
- 43:15first, where it's like, oh, this amazing film, with all these
- 43:18amazing costumes, not everything was made for the film, right?
- 43:25Is awesome. I love roses character, The
- 43:28Duchess. And she was such a fun
- 43:30character. I know she was supposed to be
- 43:31like, maybe she's not a great influence all the time but to me
- 43:35she was just like a good time. She's a party and she was looked
- 43:38good. Her her ball look in this.
- 43:41Like, emerald green was so stunning on her so stunning.
- 43:46And so was Kirsten Dunces all-black.
- 43:51Look. Oh yeah.
- 43:53Like, it really looks like she's like, I'm just going to escape.
- 43:55Up out into the night and she meets the most Charming, Swedish
- 44:01officer, who looks like he dressed up just to complement
- 44:06her. Yeah, he was a cool guy.
- 44:11I love that look on him. It's very, you know, official
- 44:15very uniform, but something about just feel so like Punk.
- 44:19Also, you know, because it's like you're real.
- 44:22Yeah. It's he's a real cool guy.
- 44:24He smokes. You rats after.
- 44:26And you know, does cool stuff. What's not saying?
- 44:31Smoking is cool. But like this is my vision as he
- 44:36rides has spirit in his mouth as he rides off to battle.
- 44:40Yeah. Motorcycle.
- 44:45Also again I felt like her and Louis matched a little bit.
- 44:49Like I feel like she's almost trying to be this really cute
- 44:54couple with him. And it just doesn't it.
- 44:56Never works out. No, they're too goofy together
- 45:00but like we love them for it. We do Murray's.
- 45:04Black costume is incredible. I love.
- 45:07It's definitely one of my favorites.
- 45:10It's just so edgy and also like I'll just like very Punk and
- 45:14unexpected you see her come out of the carriage and we're so
- 45:18used to like all these balls we talked about on the podcast
- 45:20being very big and flashy and maybe it's like bright yellow or
- 45:25you know hot Pink. She came out all black and I was
- 45:27like okay like yeah you know how I feel about black so I was very
- 45:32thrilled. Okay Murray get it.
- 45:34Um yeah it's definitely very like seductive and just like I
- 45:40think this is the first time like she's really like enjoying
- 45:43herself and really just like getting out there and like ooh
- 45:49let me just go like mix and mingle with these people.
- 45:52Yeah, she's just once upon a cool black.
- 45:55Bingo. So this is essentially her way
- 45:57of going out, clubbing. You know, she's like, I want to
- 45:59go out while look good. I like hot and go out.
- 46:02Yeah, that's what she does. That's exactly what she does.
- 46:05But she doesn't get to do that for long because now, she's got
- 46:09to be Co Weena, yeah, old daddy. Louis got smallpox, that
- 46:15happens? Yeah.
- 46:17Yeah. Grant Grandpa was not long for
- 46:20this world. Why?
- 46:25She wears this beautiful white and gold gown, and it's just
- 46:31like, it's probably the most simple thing she wears, but it's
- 46:35striking. Yeah, it's beautiful.
- 46:38It's a very, it's two colors are just so Regal.
- 46:44She looks very Divine. Like she looks like this is like
- 46:47goddess Queen. She's here.
- 46:49An angel walking down this like dark blue carpet.
- 46:53That's just so stunning. It is very simple.
- 46:55People compared to everything she wears, which doesn't really
- 46:58say much because most of the things she wears are very
- 47:00complicated. Yeah, it's incredible.
- 47:03I love this. Look, one of my tops.
- 47:05Also, one of the tops, one of the tops also another iconic
- 47:10piece right after the coronation is her birthday.
- 47:15Like again, like kind of simple, but beautiful feathers beautiful
- 47:23flower applique. There's just this little Take
- 47:26teal accent in the front and it's like, even though it's
- 47:29simple, she's still going all out.
- 47:31Yeah, I love this. Look, this is also one of those
- 47:35looks I recognize without even seeing the movie beforehand.
- 47:40It's like the simple white gown, but has like the flowers and
- 47:45like that red contrast feather and a hair.
- 47:48I just love that the way they contrast on her because she
- 47:50always will do, like, maybe, like, kind of like a muted color
- 47:54with like just very Very popping contrast on it.
- 47:58You know make stuff like the lipstick she has on.
- 48:01It's very striking and she looks amazing.
- 48:04This looks like a fun birthday, right right?
- 48:07Just gamble and drink till the sun comes up.
- 48:10Like I'm here for that. Also, when she finally has a
- 48:16baby, she's given this little country retreat.
- 48:24It's still on the palace grounds so right, but it felt like a
- 48:29whole different world. I went to the kitchen for real
- 48:33quick, second, when her brother was, you know, hanging out with
- 48:36the elephant. Think, I'll be right back, I
- 48:39walk into the kitchen, get myself, my sandwich, I come back
- 48:42out, she's in the countryside with a child.
- 48:45I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't why don't you use the
- 48:49pause button on your little just pause the movie.
- 48:53Just Is the show, Spencer swear. It was almost 60 seconds.
- 48:56I then pause rewind it because it's like, when does she have a
- 49:00kid? Yeah, she had a kid.
- 49:02That's crazy. Good for her.
- 49:03Yeah. And it's she's wearing again,
- 49:08these like simple country looks, but they're filled with like,
- 49:12Frills and the fabric. It looks like plain at first but
- 49:17it's got all these beautiful little embroideries on it and
- 49:19the pan yeas and the ribbon. She's wearing, and it's just
- 49:24all, it's all like, she's playing out this like fantasy of
- 49:29being a farmer and it's like, you're no farmer, right?
- 49:32That's how I felt the whole time.
- 49:33I'm like, is this like an act where she's just outside?
- 49:37There's just like random Lambs walking around and chickens.
- 49:40I'm like, what farm is this beautiful all the time but the
- 49:44one Marie Antoinette built for herself in real life but I love
- 49:48it though and I and our notes, you include this portrait of
- 49:52Marie Antoinette. And that which I'm very familiar
- 49:55with, we've all seen this portrait thousand times, but
- 49:57like, this is definitely the inspiration for this scene
- 50:00because Marie Antoinette did have like sometimes a simple
- 50:04side where she probably was playing this part like Oh I'm a
- 50:07country girl today. Like I'm gonna wear this huge
- 50:10hat with feathers but I am also going to go pretend to work in
- 50:13the fields for a little bit. That's what this reminds me of.
- 50:16Yeah absolutely. And it's like she wanted just
- 50:20kind of like a simple family life like that's kind of What
- 50:23she was raised with was a simple family life, but obviously, as
- 50:28Queen of France, she was never going to get that.
- 50:30So it's like she was definitely just like running away to this
- 50:34little fake Farm. She had and Her Fantasy
- 50:38continues when she decides to take up Opera.
- 50:44I love this scene. I love this.
- 50:46It's so funny. It's so funny and awkward.
- 50:49This made me laugh so hard because, you know, obviously us
- 50:53knowing How the story of Marie Antoinette ends, you're like the
- 50:56world around her is fully falling apart and she's like,
- 50:59listen to me seeing. Yeah.
- 51:02Yeah. But I love, I love her outfit.
- 51:06It's just this like, again, the baby blue skirt, but then this,
- 51:10like, I feel like, I like, it's a very, like, Americana print
- 51:17corset, right? Like this.
- 51:19Just like, random like pastoral. The scene in red and just so
- 51:26simple, and she really looks beautiful, but it's like, girl,
- 51:29not the time or place. This is again, her idea of like,
- 51:34oh, what does a peasant dress? Like I'm sure they were a
- 51:37little. Like she course it with this
- 51:40baby blue and a little, like hair moment and like, clearly
- 51:45very disconnected from reality, which is why I love it.
- 51:49Like this very high fashion fantasy version of She thinks
- 51:54that peasant would look like absolutely, absolutely.
- 51:57And it just continues. She just continues to kind of
- 52:01like see you just want this simple life but like at right at
- 52:05the moment where she needs to be like paying attention and not
- 52:10doing stupid things like wearing pink wigs to greet the soldiers.
- 52:16Oh man, that look is one of my favorites at the hot pink wig is
- 52:22so pink wig. Big with the pink outfit the
- 52:25whole thing. I almost said this is my one
- 52:28Costume World them all, but it's not, but it's like very close.
- 52:32It's such a good one, it's very close and it's a Gad.
- 52:35One of those iconic looks from the movie.
- 52:39And one thing that was so annoying about this film, it was
- 52:42really hard to get good pictures because this is like just as
- 52:46digital is like coming right into the picture with film.
- 52:51So like most We're still shot on film.
- 52:56So it's like everything's like a little bit grainy and like a
- 52:58little, like not great. And because it's like 2006,
- 53:02there's not a ton of images on it.
- 53:05I love it on the internet. So I had a really hard time
- 53:08finding this this pink look of hers but it's like it's such a
- 53:12good one. It's such a good one.
- 53:14I love it a lot. Also, we get another very iconic
- 53:22scene. Scene and look from Marie
- 53:25Antoinette whena. She is just wearing nothing but
- 53:29her socks and garters for the Swiss officer.
- 53:36Yeah, this is a cool thing. I like it a lot, Kirsten Dunst.
- 53:41Look so good in the same. That's all I'm gonna say.
- 53:45It's a perfect is perfect. Like do love the colors.
- 53:49I will say that from a costume point of view like that.
- 53:52Pink whiff again. That very like baby blue and the
- 53:55white. It says a lot about like it
- 53:59became a costume with the fan but yeah, other than that.
- 54:03I yeah, good scene very, very nice.
- 54:16Yes, fantastic scene. Great costuming, awesome.
- 54:22That's nice. Ice.
- 54:24But no, it's that, that scene of her with the fan super iconic,
- 54:29like we see a cropped version of that all the time in
- 54:34relationship to the movie. Like, you don't get that whole
- 54:37picture, but you get to see like a cropped version of it, a lot.
- 54:41Also, I kind of iconic and just very Punk look is the let them
- 54:47eat cake in the bathtub, right? They see the Cruella de Vil
- 54:51moment. I was like, whoo.
- 54:53Yeah, be in Westwood model telling us to eat cake right
- 54:56now. So I will if she's telling me to
- 55:00I will ma'am I'll do whatever you tell me to do.
- 55:04I do like cake. I know, I love this.
- 55:08Just like evil Murray wrote, It's all of like three seconds,
- 55:12but they've got that like, nearly black lipstick pair of
- 55:17earrings and necklace. That I think she's been wearing
- 55:20throughout the film, but it's like this, too.
- 55:23Turn. It's almost looks like a little
- 55:24tarnished or like black. Yeah.
- 55:27And it's just like it. Like is such the opposite of
- 55:30everything we've seen so far. It makes you jump for a second,
- 55:34right? It's evil Antoinette is scary.
- 55:37It is scary that it just gets sad.
- 55:40Yeah, just gets sad. She loses her baby.
- 55:44That's really fell apart. Like really quickly and move.
- 55:47Yeah. Like overnight she, there's a
- 55:51good portion of the end of the Boom.
- 55:53A lot of it. She's just wearing black.
- 55:55She's just in morning. She it's like she's starting to
- 55:58understand her role, right? When she's about to lose it.
- 56:04Yeah, a little late on that Marie.
- 56:08You know how I love a funeral. Look her grieving black-veiled
- 56:13look. I mean, I know we're supposed to
- 56:15be morning a but she looks so good.
- 56:21Yeah, she is a morning. I hate her child, but she is
- 56:25looking good doing it. Yeah, it's the Hat with the
- 56:29veil. Oh, yeah, that's what that's
- 56:31what makes that look. It's so good.
- 56:34So her to it, keep my eyes off her.
- 56:36No. And then her nightgown.
- 56:38Look Exquisite, like it was so simple.
- 56:42And like, the way it moved with her when she's like, bowing down
- 56:45on the balcony. Beautiful.
- 56:49Yeah. And I like it too because it's
- 56:51almost like she's accepted her fate at Point.
- 56:53She's like, well, we really screwed it up this job.
- 56:59So she goes after in his nightgown and she has, it's like
- 57:02a little bit. Like the old Murray were has
- 57:04like still, like these, like little pops of color in it.
- 57:06It's hard to tell because there's people with pitchforks
- 57:08and torches. Literally, you look closely you
- 57:12can see like little pops of color that feels very Marie.
- 57:14It's like she's gonna go out swinging and her favorite
- 57:18nightgown. She is she is but that is all
- 57:23Murray believes, Fair sigh, never to return again, no things
- 57:28don't really end well for her and her husband or a bunch of
- 57:33people. Really.
- 57:34Yeah. Her daughter was the only one
- 57:36that made it out. I believe they call it the reign
- 57:40of terror. Yeah, good times.
- 57:46But what was not terrifying was all the costumes in this film.
- 57:50There's so many good ones. I'm very excited to play our A
- 57:53game Elizabeth yes, Daniel hit it, the one costume to rule them
- 58:01all. Spencer, what was your one
- 58:07costume to rule them? All, I was very torn on this
- 58:10one. I was really leaning toward that
- 58:13all pink look, and also that all blue look from the beginning.
- 58:18But to me, I just felt like that black.
- 58:21Look, she wears to the ball, the Marie, badass Antoinette, look
- 58:26the Marie, The Punisher Antoinette.
- 58:30Look at the ho badass, if like the black covering Eyes.
- 58:37It's very like Alexander McQueen Vivienne Westwood just so edgy
- 58:42and it's just not what you're expecting.
- 58:45You're thinking like maybe like a more historical accurate
- 58:49period moment where she would obviously be wearing something,
- 58:52I don't know, blue or yellow, or pink, she chose black.
- 58:55And I was very rock and roll and that's just, you know that I
- 58:59love that as anaesthetic. So definitely my favorite easy.
- 59:03I do love that. Yeah, this is like, Like, that
- 59:06is probably the least historically accurate piece in
- 59:08this film. And I love it, too.
- 59:10Because it really says everything, like, Sofia Coppola
- 59:14wanted right? So, say with this movie that
- 59:17like, this was just a young woman trying to enjoy her life
- 59:22and who didn't really know any better because she wasn't
- 59:25expected to write. It was a very bold Choice,
- 59:29honestly. Yeah, absolutely.
- 59:33Similarly, my one costumer Mole was the baby blue French Alpha.
- 59:41She was put into when she arrives in France because it's
- 59:45just like its iconic. It's it says everything you need
- 59:50to know about her innocence and like just kind of like, oh like
- 59:55this is someone who was very unprepared for what was about to
- 59:59happen to her. Alright.
- 1:00:03So beautiful though, it gives me like Like you know, obviously
- 1:00:06it's very French or reminds me of Harry Potter and the Goblet
- 1:00:09of Fire when. Yeah.
- 1:00:13The blue and the hats, it's very chic.
- 1:00:16It's very, very chic and proper but also still like fashion
- 1:00:20forward to absolutely and with that we are at the end.
- 1:00:25Elizabeth, what are we watching next week?
- 1:00:27Oh, next week, Spencer, we are watching The White Lotus.
- 1:00:35We're going on a little vacation.
- 1:00:38Yeah, it's hot girl summer. Vacation week through a
- 1:00:41beautiful Hawaiian Islands as a reservoir of the White Lotus and
- 1:00:48Jennifer Coolidge is going to be there, so I'm ready.
- 1:00:50My gosh, I can't wait to just talk about Jennifer Coolidge the
- 1:00:53whole time. That's all I'm going to do.
- 1:00:55It's all I'm going to do is talk about Jennifer Coolidge, the
- 1:00:58entire show and Sydney, Sweeney have a real Crush.
- 1:01:03I hadn't seen her in anything because I don't, Don't I've
- 1:01:06never watched Euphoria, but she's amazing.
- 1:01:11Yeah, he's amazing. Thank you all so much for
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- 1:02:25Marie. Where's is the one costume to
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- 1:03:54From her marriage to the French stuff in that.
- 1:03:56Louis at 14 to and their rise. To the throne at 19 Marie,
- 1:04:02Antoinette is a modern retelling of France's most iconic Bill and
- 1:04:06queen. I left the to in there, by
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- 1:04:22we should just pack it up.