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Brad Koffel interview 2-19-2025 · Chuck Douglas

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  Speaker 1: Bringing salutations. Welcome my friends to another edition of The
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  Speaker 1: Power Hour on six ten WTVN. I'm chucked up, which
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  Speaker 1: two one DOUBTVN. We get one hour together, which means
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  Speaker 1: I talk really fast and you you must listen even faster.
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  Speaker 1: Just before I went on the air, I got a
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  Speaker 1: text message here from a former host here on six
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  Speaker 1: ten Double UTV and Dirk Thompson, Dirk Dirk Thompson, Hunt
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  Speaker 1: And he says, hey, I wanted to let you know
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  Speaker 1: we're up here there. He lives in the state up
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  Speaker 1: north now, and I said, just wanted to let you
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  Speaker 1: know we are receiving you over the air in the
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  Speaker 1: car in I think it's it's pronounced a Scola Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Son hasn't set there yet, and he helped listening in
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  Speaker 1: the car, not on the iHeart app. So I said
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  Speaker 1: and returned Holy Smokes to what he responded, Right when
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  Speaker 1: you texted that, we were literally driving by the Holy
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  Speaker 1: Smoke cigarette shop up here. That's sometimes the irinies are amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm good to hear from him, though, I just I
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  Speaker 1: can't believe we're reaching up there into a Scota, Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: That's a hard board to say. Second half of the show,
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Columbus City Schools in
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  Speaker 1: case you missed it in Allison's newscast, the school board
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  Speaker 1: has now voted to forget all that anybody use any
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  Speaker 1: bathroom stuff and go back to you know, if you're
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  Speaker 1: if you're a boy, you use the boys room. If
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  Speaker 1: you're a girl, you use the girls room. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's logical, I think it's reasonable, I think it makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really surprised the Columbus City Schools came to this conclusion,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm quite happy about it. So we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: that in the second half hour. In this first half hour,
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about this guy Gray, who is
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  Speaker 1: He is charged with and supposed to be going on
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  Speaker 1: trial for a shooting at the Tunnel Mall shoe store.
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  Speaker 1: He and a woman, they were both from Mansfield, Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently they got in some kind of altercation. She swung
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  Speaker 1: a perse at it and he opens fire, and surveillance
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  Speaker 1: cameras captured it and all this kind of we still
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  Speaker 1: have to have a trial though, because that's the American way.
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  Speaker 1: The thing of it is is the day before the
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  Speaker 1: trial he decided to fire his attorney, and Judge Andy
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  Speaker 1: Miller said, you know, we're going to delay this thing
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  Speaker 1: one more time. But I got to think, and this
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  Speaker 1: is the ultimate strategy for a lunatic defendant, quite frankly,
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  Speaker 1: because if you have you legally must have access to representation.
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  Speaker 1: But but here's the thing. You can also pick and
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  Speaker 1: choose your representation. So if you just wanted to never
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  Speaker 1: go to trial, you just keep firing your attorney, which
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  Speaker 1: doesn't seem feasible, plausible, reasonable in any way, shape or form.
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  Speaker 1: So I went to six to ten WTV in Legal
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  Speaker 1: Life out of this Bragg Coffel, he's host of for
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  Speaker 1: the Defense here Friday night, six pm on six NAUTV,
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  Speaker 1: and I asked, Breg can dig into this, see what
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  Speaker 1: you can find out, come up with some answers, because man,
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  Speaker 1: this is a little kinky as far as I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get him on the Legacy Retirement Group dot com
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  Speaker 1: phone lines right now. Brad, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm well, thank you?
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  Speaker 1: This this this there has to be a reasonable answer to
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  Speaker 1: this question. I'm sure this is the first time somebody
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  Speaker 1: has tried this kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it happens all the time, and it's I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of guys who are in this this person's shoes.
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  Speaker 2: They sit in the jail and they think and they think,
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  Speaker 2: and they don't like what lawyer one says, so they
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  Speaker 2: fire them. And lawyer one is telling them how bad
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  Speaker 2: the case is and that they want to off, you know,
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  Speaker 2: do some sort of plea bargaining, and the plea bargaining
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  Speaker 2: on a murder case, you're you're going to be locked
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  Speaker 2: up for most of the rest of your life, if
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  Speaker 2: not the rest of your life. Don't like that news,
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  Speaker 2: don't like that advice, you don't like that reality. Push
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  Speaker 2: the button, get a new lawyer. Lawyer number two gets appointed,
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  Speaker 2: and his first two lawyers are both very good lawyers,
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  Speaker 2: those very good trial lawyers who do court appointed work.
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  Speaker 2: They're not rookies, they're not amateurs, both of which you
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  Speaker 2: would want to have with you on a murder case.
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  Speaker 2: Lawyer number two. So it's the same thing. Most likely,
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  Speaker 2: if you confessed, there's video, there are witnesses. Let's do
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  Speaker 2: some flea marketing, and you're going to spend most of
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  Speaker 2: the rest of your life in prison, but maybe you
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  Speaker 2: can get out and still breathe from fresh air. You
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  Speaker 2: don't like that advice, you press the button and inject
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  Speaker 2: that lawyer. You keep doing this thinking that you're either
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  Speaker 2: going to come across as been and competent and crazy
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  Speaker 2: and can't stand trial, which I think is what you
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  Speaker 2: were initially implying. He'd already been ruled competent, so that
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  Speaker 2: competency isn't going to fly. So he's competent, he knows
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  Speaker 2: what he's doing, and he shows up on the day
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  Speaker 2: of his you know whatever number trial they're on now
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  Speaker 2: and fires lawyer number two. Judge Miller, relatively newer judge
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  Speaker 2: here in Franklin County, is handling it by the book.
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  Speaker 2: And just like every other constitutional right, you can forfeit them,
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  Speaker 2: and you can wave them. Most of us think about
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  Speaker 2: waving them. You wave your right to remain silent, you
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  Speaker 2: wave your right to a jury trial. There are things,
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  Speaker 2: these forms that you can file and waive, these rights,
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  Speaker 2: right to counsel, you can actually forfeit and and if
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  Speaker 2: you if the court puts the defendant unnoticed says hey,
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  Speaker 2: I think this is a deliberate strategy that you're doing
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  Speaker 2: to delay the trial. And you're now unnotice. And here
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  Speaker 2: I'm developing the record. Here's all the proof that the
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  Speaker 2: court believes that you're doing this deliberately, and no more
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  Speaker 2: continuances doesn't matter, no more continuances than the judge absolutely
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  Speaker 2: can proceed and order the trial to start with the
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  Speaker 2: defendant in the courtroom. That the judge can even remove
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  Speaker 2: the court the defendant from the courtroom under extreme circumstances,
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  Speaker 2: because that'll be the next thing this guy does, it
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  Speaker 2: will go to trial. There's now another lawyer who's coming
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  Speaker 2: up out of Cincinnati, and you do not want to
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  Speaker 2: be Judge Miller now because the guy coming up from
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  Speaker 2: Cincinnati is most likely may not know what he's getting into,
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  Speaker 2: but it's going to be a real mess. I believe
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  Speaker 2: this defendant has been taken from the courtroom already. And
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  Speaker 2: we've seen here in Franklin County. We've seen defendants rare,
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  Speaker 2: but we've seen defendants go to trial where they are
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  Speaker 2: they're actually they're spitting on people, anything to stop the trial,
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  Speaker 2: and they'll they'll put a bag over their head and
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  Speaker 2: they'll put them back in the in the haunting tank.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the judge Miller is joining what he's supposed
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  Speaker 2: to do, and it's it's frustrating because the taxpayers are
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  Speaker 2: paying for all this as well.
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  Speaker 1: The idea that, by the way, this is sixtendable. The
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  Speaker 1: u TV and Legal announced Brad Kawfel is joining me
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  Speaker 1: right now. The idea that this this judge has set
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  Speaker 1: this this deadline. We're going to have a trial with
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  Speaker 1: or without representation. Is there an established parameter for when
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  Speaker 1: this is done? Or is it a frustration factor thing?
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  Speaker 1: And the judge just decides, Okay, you've gone far enough.
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  Speaker 2: A great, great question. So the record needs to because
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  Speaker 2: this automatically goes up to Court of Appeals. This guy
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  Speaker 2: gets convicted and he's presumed innocent, right, so he's allowed
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  Speaker 2: to have done this. He's presumed innocent. Let's say hypothetically
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  Speaker 2: goes to trial and he's found guilty. It's going to
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  Speaker 2: the Court of Appeals. The Court of Appeals and or
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  Speaker 2: the highest Supreme Court is going to look at Number one,
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  Speaker 2: have multiple attorneys been fired or rejected? Yes? Number two,
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  Speaker 2: Has the court warned the defendant that continued refusal to
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  Speaker 2: cooperate may result in forced self representation. Yes, that's what
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  Speaker 2: happened yesterday. Number three. Is the defendant mental mentally competent, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: that is. The competency evaluation has already been done. He's
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  Speaker 2: been found to be competent. And then the court, the
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  Speaker 2: judge will probably hold a hearing to determine whether or
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  Speaker 2: not his behavior amounts to forfeiture. And if if Judge
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  Speaker 2: Miller finds that this guy that this defends that is
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  Speaker 2: not acting in good faith and by all accounts there's
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  Speaker 2: no reason to think this guy's acting in good faith,
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  Speaker 2: then the judge will be forced to declare forfeiture of
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  Speaker 2: the right to an attorney, and Judge Miller probably appoints
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  Speaker 2: a standby council to be available if the defendant changes
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  Speaker 2: his mind in the middle of trial, which would be
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  Speaker 2: another tactic. So this is rare, but Ohio has a
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  Speaker 2: step by step playbook for judges to follow. Judge Miller's
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  Speaker 2: doing a wonderful job doing it the correct way.
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  Speaker 1: The self representation would be a clown show. We've already
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure because your office was still over there
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  Speaker 1: on Arlington Avenue. If I'm not mistaken. Back when there
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  Speaker 1: was a guy accused of killing his roommate last name
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  Speaker 1: was Brown, and it was it data Price. I can't
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  Speaker 1: remember whose court room he did, but he just turned
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  Speaker 1: it into a literal circus. The circus was the lead
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  Speaker 1: on the six o'clock news every day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think again, it'll be a very reputable
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  Speaker 2: lawyer that the court will point. And when when the
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  Speaker 2: court appoints a lawyer to a high profile case like this,
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  Speaker 2: what the public may not know is that the judge
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  Speaker 2: and the lawyer we know each other outside the courthouse.
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  Speaker 2: We may or may not be on first name basis
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  Speaker 2: with these judges and uh, and so it'll probably be
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to point so and so, and the judge
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  Speaker 2: is going to call that lawyer and say, okay, you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna do me a solid. I need you to do this.
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  Speaker 2: I know you don't want to do it, but I
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  Speaker 2: need you to do this for me. And the judge
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  Speaker 2: and a lawyer is going to reluctantly do that. The
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  Speaker 2: guy coming up from Cincinnati's probably coming up for some
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  Speaker 2: PR uh free press, free uh PR. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: he's going to last either. And my guess is we're
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  Speaker 2: going to wind up with another Franklin County lawyer uh uh,
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  Speaker 2: sitting on standby when this goes.
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  Speaker 1: You know, obviously the PELA does next to are we
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  Speaker 1: appealing forcing to have a trial? Or is that the
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  Speaker 1: only thing that's considered or the facts of the trial.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we've got video, and I'll give the Dispatch credit.
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  Speaker 1: They actually covered something this time around. They obtained the
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  Speaker 1: video and it shows you know, this woman, miss Sylvester.
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  Speaker 1: They were apparently in an argument. She swung a bag
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  Speaker 1: at him and backed away, and then he pulls out
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  Speaker 1: a gun and fires four times. So that I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's there, it's on video. We see it. Is that
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  Speaker 1: taken into account when they say, yeah, idiot, you're pushing
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  Speaker 1: this too far, you're going to trial?
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so at all. The one thing
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you, the biggest piece of news on this
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  Speaker 2: case that has a headline that's been swallowed, Chuck, is
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  Speaker 2: that when this guy got arrested, looked into jail and
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  Speaker 2: had his obligatory bond hearing for murder. During this was
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  Speaker 2: several years ago and a pinnacle of social justice reform,
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  Speaker 2: a criminal justice reform for murder, the bond was set
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  Speaker 2: at fifty thousand dollars fifty grand. You PI bail bonds
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  Speaker 2: from five grand You're out bond was fifty thousand dollars
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  Speaker 2: on a murder. This is what happened after the George
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  Speaker 2: Floyd stuff. This is the stuff that turned America's stomach.
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  Speaker 2: And so this all leads back to make America great again,
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  Speaker 2: make America healthy again, make America safe again, make America
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  Speaker 2: normal again.
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  Speaker 1: I h I know I'm going to have to follow
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  Speaker 1: you again. I hate following this kind of stuff because
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  Speaker 1: it's so and I'm sure you know you play in
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  Speaker 1: the process each and every day. There's a protocol, there
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  Speaker 1: are parameters on what you can and cannot do. But
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  Speaker 1: I know, just as a human being bred, yeah, I know,
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  Speaker 1: you have to sit back and go. Man, we are
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  Speaker 1: just getting so stupid with some of this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: We're off track, yeah, Chuck. I mean we're all worried
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  Speaker 2: about artificial intelligence. I'm worried about human stupidity. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it just seems to be growing faster than AI.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is I think the first time that I've
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  Speaker 1: been able to invite you onto the Power Hour as
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  Speaker 1: a guest, and I hope that there will not be
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  Speaker 1: the last to. In fact, as stories like this come
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  Speaker 1: up as we continue to be stupid. Hopefully I'll be
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  Speaker 1: calling on you a great deal because I enjoy the
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  Speaker 1: conversation and you are a very knowledgeable person.
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  Speaker 2: We all need our little support group. So if anyone's
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  Speaker 2: aware of a support group out there for those of
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  Speaker 2: us that are sane and we feel like we're going insane,
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  Speaker 2: let me know. I would like to join a support.
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  Speaker 1: Group A dirty Brad Kopfel. Thanks very much for the
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  Speaker 1: defense six pm here on six ten WTV, and we
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  Speaker 1: will listen to you then, Buddy, thanks very much.
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  Speaker 2: Good night.