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Dart Done | Judge Back for Playoffs? | Same Old Jets? | KAT & Knicks Contract Talks Stalled? · Independent N.I.C.

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  Speaker 1: What's good people it's your boy NIC coming to you
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  Speaker 1: live and direct independent NIC where we talk New York
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  Speaker 1: sports plus whatever the fuck else I feel like that
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  Speaker 1: night um y'all I got my man O with me
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  Speaker 1: aka Nickinator yo yes sir oh man talk to me
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  Speaker 1: man long time no speak how you been.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, I've been good, man. I've been busy doing a
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  Speaker 2: million and one things as usual. Um, I know we've
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  Speaker 2: stayed in tune and we've talked about all the different
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  Speaker 2: times we can get together on a pod and I'm
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  Speaker 2: glad we can finally find some time tonight to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yo, it's not easy. Listen, man, I know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you see from everything that you share on X, you
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  Speaker 1: seem like one of the hardest working dudes out there, man.
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  Speaker 1: You're always working, taking care of your family. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I know you got, got little ones too. It's hard
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  Speaker 1: out here to find some time to just get together
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  Speaker 1: and talk with your boy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it is, man. I think we all
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  Speaker 2: have our things, right, that we do, that we're invested in. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: family for me is important. Of course, everything I do
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  Speaker 2: for my mom and all that other stuff that I
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  Speaker 2: do share on my timeline. But then there's this, right?
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  Speaker 2: There's just the madness that is Nick's fandom. So when
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  Speaker 2: I can get in tune with you, I appreciate it
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  Speaker 2: because I get the chance to have these kind of
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  Speaker 2: conversations I don't have anywhere else. So it's good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, for those of you that don't know,
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to, you know, Nick's Twitter account, We
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  Speaker 1: got royalty in this place here right now. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, put some respect on his name. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's a coach. He's a coach at the summertime game
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  Speaker 1: that goes down and everything. I mean, tell me about that, man.
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  Speaker 1: How was it meeting JB? Did you get a chance
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  Speaker 1: to like meet JB or were you kind of just
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  Speaker 1: playing the background?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was playing the background. Something about me, man.
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  Speaker 2: I just got to own it because I had the
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  Speaker 2: same experience with Ben Stiller at the first Next Twitter Day.
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  Speaker 2: And I had the same experience with Patrick Ewing on
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  Speaker 2: vacation once. I ran into him. I literally ran into
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  Speaker 2: Patrick Ewing, who's my goat. That's my idol. That's my
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  Speaker 2: basketball idol, Patrick Ewing, when it comes to the Knicks.
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  Speaker 2: He's the reason I'm a Knicks fan. I'm not the
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  Speaker 2: type of person to interrupt people. I find that rude.
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  Speaker 2: And even though this was a venue where they were
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  Speaker 2: there to be with the fans, there was a crowd.
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  Speaker 2: There were people pushing. And I didn't want to be
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  Speaker 2: part of that madness. If I caught him on the humble,
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  Speaker 2: I would absolutely say, hey, what's up, man? Pleasure to
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  Speaker 2: meet you. Thank you for everything you've done for the city.
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  Speaker 2: But in that moment, man, I wasn't... At one time,
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  Speaker 2: I tried to... woke up to Josh Hart because Josh
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  Speaker 2: Hart was there too. And, of course, it was because
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  Speaker 2: he didn't have a crowd around him, and I understood
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  Speaker 2: very quickly why he didn't have a crowd around him.
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  Speaker 2: During that point of the tournament, they were meant to
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  Speaker 2: not be bothered in that moment. They had security literally
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  Speaker 2: lined up in a triangle not to interrupt them, and
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  Speaker 2: I quickly found out that this was not the time
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  Speaker 2: to go and say hello. But the Knicks Twitter Classic,
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  Speaker 2: they renamed it originally. It was called Knicks Twitter Day.
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  Speaker 2: For those that don't know, Knicks Twitter Day is a
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  Speaker 2: basketball tournament for Nick's fans that Sean Geddes has put together.
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  Speaker 2: Sean Geddes is the second annual basketball.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Shout out to Sean.
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  Speaker 2: Again, he renamed it to Nick's Twitter Classic, but it
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  Speaker 2: was originally Nick's Twitter Day. And it's just that it's
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  Speaker 2: about eight teams, folks that are on Twitter, that we've
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  Speaker 2: all had relationships for a long time. I was lucky
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  Speaker 2: enough to be nominated as a coach and I accepted it.
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  Speaker 2: And we just play ball, man. We play ball. Last year,
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  Speaker 2: We were eliminated in the first round. We had a
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  Speaker 2: bad showing. We had the highlight of the tournament where
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  Speaker 2: one of my guys got dunked on.
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  Speaker 1: Yo, what a friend of the show. Somebody who's come
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  Speaker 1: on with me. I mean, we all love Doug Lust.
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  Speaker 1: He's very, very important. I talked to him about it
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  Speaker 1: on the show. I was like, yo, my man, why
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  Speaker 1: did you jump? Because he wasn't even supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: the guy that should have been there and rotated. He
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  Speaker 1: was really doing real hustle and effort. And unfortunately... He
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  Speaker 1: was the body that got caught. I asked him about it.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, man, I'm just, you know, he's that
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  Speaker 1: type of guy who does the dirty work. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he, you know, Sean curled, and there was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be a rotation, and nobody picked it up, and
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  Speaker 2: he found himself with a clear path to the basket.
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  Speaker 2: So he took off, and he and Trippie, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you know Trippie, but Trippie decided to jump
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  Speaker 2: as well, and it was just an ugly finish. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Sean is 6'5 with a runaway.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He took off, and it just was a thunderous moment. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't rebound from it. We fought back to get
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  Speaker 2: back in that game, but again, we were down by
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  Speaker 2: probably eight when the game ended, and it took everything
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  Speaker 2: we had just to make it within eight. This year,
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  Speaker 2: we had a much better show, and we were able
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  Speaker 2: to expand the roster a little bit. Last year, we
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  Speaker 2: had some guys hurt. This year, we brought in some
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  Speaker 2: new guys, guys also from the next Twitter community, and
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  Speaker 2: we ended up in the finals. Great game getting up
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  Speaker 2: to the finals, but by the time we were In
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  Speaker 2: the finals, we lost to the NYKX team. Shout out
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  Speaker 2: to Tony and that gang. They had Harris.
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  Speaker 1: Yo, Harris is a real hooper, yo.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Harris is no joke, man.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to my guy, Knickerbocker Banter, a.k.a. Harris. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's a real, real hooper. I've seen the videos of
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  Speaker 1: him and Sean playing against each other. And what I
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  Speaker 1: guess is their offseason, which is like during the Knicks
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  Speaker 1: season because it's the offseason of the Classic. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: when they do that, man, you know, you can see
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  Speaker 1: these guys. They're much younger than me, man. I'm too old.
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  Speaker 1: I'm 42 years old. I'd have to try to come
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  Speaker 1: be an assistant coach or some shit. But at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the day, yo, that dude Harris, he's got
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  Speaker 1: a– that legit, like, college-level jump shot is a totally
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  Speaker 1: different thing when you start playing against, like, regular dudes.
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  Speaker 1: It's a totally different thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's funny, when you experience it in real time,
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  Speaker 2: obviously I know Harris, and Harris, we had spoken, because
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  Speaker 2: that's Doug's boy. That's Doug's man. So Doug was trying
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  Speaker 2: to get him on a team, but I think with
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  Speaker 2: everything going on with me, I didn't get a chance
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  Speaker 2: to have that one-on-one with him, and then Tone had
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  Speaker 2: snatched him up, and he ended up being the MVP
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  Speaker 2: of the tournament, man. This guy's amazing, but also a
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  Speaker 2: great Knicks fan. He came to the game with me
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  Speaker 2: one time. I think it was the Golden State game
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  Speaker 2: that we went together. Great Knicks fan, great all-around guy,
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  Speaker 2: so shout-out to him, man. Shout-out to him. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the tournament was a blast. Just to put a bow
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  Speaker 2: on that. Shout out to NYKX, they won. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: get the opportunity to meet JB, but still, awesome thing
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  Speaker 2: by O'Shawn to put together.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting because I'm very much that same dude when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to, like, things with famous people. Like, yeah, like,
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  Speaker 1: if I could catch you just, like, on some regular
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  Speaker 1: type shit and say what's up to you, whatever, but
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  Speaker 1: when everybody else is, you know, coming up trying to
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  Speaker 1: talk to somebody, like, I'm not waiting in line to
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  Speaker 1: talk to nobody. I don't care who you are. Like,
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  Speaker 1: no matter how much I like you, like, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: waiting in line to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously, this is the guy that brought a championship
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  Speaker 2: to New York City. So obviously, I would love to
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  Speaker 2: have that opportunity. But to it, it was just a
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  Speaker 2: swarm of people around. It was everything you would expect
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  Speaker 2: when it came to it. Yeah, it was everything you
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  Speaker 2: would expect. But shout out to him for even showing up, man.
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  Speaker 2: That's really big. That shows that he's in tune with
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  Speaker 2: the community and supports the community. So shout out to him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he's, listen, come on. I haven't worn a jersey
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  Speaker 1: in years other than my Namath jersey. I haven't worn
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  Speaker 1: a jersey in years. I have a blue and I
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  Speaker 1: got a white finals one. That's the only other male's
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  Speaker 1: name that I'm putting on my back. The way I
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  Speaker 1: look at it, I've given my name to four people,
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  Speaker 1: my wife and my three children. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: look like putting some other dude's name on my back.
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  Speaker 1: JB for the king? But we're going to talk about JB.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about JB. And I know that
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  Speaker 1: me and you, we're both Knicks fans. We're both Jets fans.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a Mets fan. You're a Yankees fan. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the Yankees too. But if you're talking
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  Speaker 1: New York sports right now, you got to start off.
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  Speaker 1: You got to talk about Jackson Dart. He's done for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the season. He goes down with the knee.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody is just like, yo, this, this, you know, this
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  Speaker 1: looks bad, but then he's out there. He's standing up
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the game with the headphones on.
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  Speaker 1: He seems like he's okay. There's a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: optimism comes out today. Season ending surgery is on the horizon. And,
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: you know, honestly, like, so I'm one of those people
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  Speaker 1: that were like, I'm a Jets fan. but I don't
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  Speaker 1: hate the Giants. And I'm a Mets fan. I don't
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  Speaker 1: hate the Yankees. I don't revel in their failures. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I read your tweets sometimes, like maybe some
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  Speaker 1: other Yankee fans do when it comes to the Mets.
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  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, this whole Knicks
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  Speaker 1: thing that just happened, which I didn't get to be
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  Speaker 1: back there for when they won a championship, but I
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  Speaker 1: came back for the parade and just the whole vibe
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  Speaker 1: in the city. And I mean, even before that, just
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: watching the videos, you know, of, you know, that night
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  Speaker 1: and people singing Alicia Keys in the street and all
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: that shit. And then the statistics coming out where it's like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: they really, like the Knicks really healed the city. Like,
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  Speaker 1: it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's everything you would dream as a
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  Speaker 2: Knicks fan. Sometimes it's, I had, I had shared something
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: the other day and, and it was more like, I
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: almost don't want, I know it sounds crazy, but I
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: almost don't want the season to start because then it means,
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  Speaker 2: Last season really ended now. It's over. The magic ride
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  Speaker 2: is done. I hope you enjoyed it. Let's get back
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  Speaker 2: to work. But it's been such an awesome summer. I
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: haven't been this unstressed, if that's even a word.
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: I haven't.
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  Speaker 2: Because, you know, at one point I was going off
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: to Summer League. I'm in tune with the draft. And
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: we're selecting. You know, I don't even remember anymore. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and this summer I was just like, whatever, man.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait for the season to get here. But
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: I'm so relaxed right now. I'm just chilling. Baseball, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a Yankee fan. I was a diehard Yankee fan.
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  Speaker 2: I became a bit of a casual because I'm in
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: my 50s, man. And when it comes to my Yankees fandom,
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: I can tell you about crying in front of the
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: TV in 1981 or 1980. Anyway, a long time ago
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: when Fernando Valenzuela, right? And you may not know these names,
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  Speaker 2: but he had a screwball and I was maybe eight
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: or six years old and I'm crying. And my dad
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: is like, what are you crying about? I'm like, Dad,
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: they lost. And that's where my fandom begins as far
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: as a diehard. So when you speed up to today,
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: and we went through the whole George era, which wasn't
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: as successful. The Yankees really had success when he got suspended.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact that the Yankees, whenever there was talent available,
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  Speaker 2: they were invested, they were putting the money up, they
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  Speaker 2: were chasing those stars, and they were bringing the talent.
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  Speaker 2: Never really panned out for them, but they were. invested.
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  Speaker 2: Now you fast forward to the move, and I say
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  Speaker 2: this to everybody, I'm going to say it proudly. The
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  Speaker 2: minute they decided to play Sabermetrics, the minute they decided
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: to say Sonny Gray over Justin Verlander, I had tapped out.
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  Speaker 2: I had tapped out because I'm like, I lived through
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: Carl Pavano. I lived through Ed Whitson. All these guys
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  Speaker 2: that do these things on a stat sheet, it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean they can handle New York. And I just knew
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: that Sonny, he was too young. You know, he was
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: too young. He still ended up being a fine pitcher
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  Speaker 2: once he left New York. But I kind of tapped
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: out because I'm, oh, now we're penny pinching. Like, who
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: are we? Are we becoming the Mets now? Like, we're
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: doing some double day stuff here. Like, what is this?
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: So I was... You know, not WB, but what would
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: they call the guy? Fred Coupon or something like that?
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: Because he was cheap. I don't know.
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: The Wilpons. The Wilpons. Thank you, sir. Yeah, yeah, the Wilpons. Listen,
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of the things you just said are, I mean,
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like you just hit like 10 different points
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: across the entire course of the episode that we're going
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: to have to come back to because, you know, as
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: far as the Mets and the, no, no, no. We just,
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: don't apologize. We're just talking. I love it. So, like,
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, to bring
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: it back for a second, The whole Giants thing and
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: seeing the Yankees win, I don't ever necessarily want to
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: see the Yankees win. I don't hate the Yankees like that,
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: but I don't want to see them win. Most of
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: my friends growing up are Giants and Yankees fans, and
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: I got to hear them, and now it's number 28,
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: and they, it seems to me, are more obsessed with
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  Speaker 1: the Mets and their demise than they even are in
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: how well their team is doing sometimes. But one of
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: the things that I've seen is how the city was
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: when the Knicks won, and I can be honest about
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: the situation and say, other than the Knicks, as far
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: as teams in New York City, the next thing down
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: that would make the city the most happy would probably
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: be a Yankees World Series win.
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, there was a run in
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: Boston where the Bruins were hot, the Red Sox were hot,
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: you know, the England was hot.
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: Celtics got one in there too, yep.
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  Speaker 2: Right, so I was hoping that the New York Knicks
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: set off that kind of trend here in the city,
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: but The championship was awesome. Being out there that night,
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: being around the garden, the energy was amazing. I remember
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: cop cars getting broken into in front of us and
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: they were jumping on it. It was madness. But yeah, man,
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: the city was just, it was a joyful place. Crime
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: is down, murders are down. It was just a crazy
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: time in New York City. Everybody's happy, but bring it
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: back to, like you said, and I'm not a Giant fan,
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: I'm a Jets fan. The news about Jackson Dart is
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: devastating because Like I said, I don't hate the Giants.
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: I don't hate them as either, but I don't hate
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: the Giants. But to see them go through what they're
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: going through right now, this is just devastating news. So
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: it's tough for Big Blue right now. It's tough for
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: the G-Mills fans right now. I don't know where they
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: turn because Jameis Winston clearly ain't.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: It. So you're not rocking with Jameis. You say they
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: need to go out and find somebody. Yeah.
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: If they want to save the season, if they're going
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: to take it on the chin.
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, Joe Flacco, Mitch Trubisky. I mean, it's not,
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: it's not, it's not a lot of great, great options
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  Speaker 1: out there. I mean, Justin Fields, maybe, maybe, uh, you know,
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: they want to come up off of Justin Fields, which
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: to me, Justin Fields is a glorified rugby player. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's not an NFL quarterback. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm being hard on Jameis. Uh, it's just, I
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: don't know, man. I don't see it. I don't see it.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like Jameis might have something for us, man.
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: Jameis might get it together a little bit, but, uh, Listen,
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: Jameis is willing to toss that thing up there, you know,
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day. And with that entire
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: practice of him running against the ones, and they play
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: the Titans next week, and we know the Titans are
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: not very good, even though, shit, last week they, you know,
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: who did they take down to the wire? Somebody that
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: we thought they were going to beat. At the end
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: of the day, oh, I think the Vikings. But, yeah,
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like, yo, you see
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: this Giants team and you think, ah, you know, they
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: got some– They win big against the Cowboys. You think, okay,
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: Game 2, both the Jets and the Giants in Game 2,
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: I said this last week, they had a chance to
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: really show New York fans, their own fans, and the
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: entire league that they were legit. And unfortunately... That did
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: not happen. The Giants, they got a tough road coming forward.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: But when it comes to the Jets, come on, man.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: I got it. Like, yo, is Aaron Glenn? Oh, listen,
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: he's a brother. He's a former great, great Jet. He's a,
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I had my pops got the jersey with
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: Glenn and I'm sorry, with Coach on the back and
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: number one. But the original, yeah, the ones that they
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: won back then. He got that shit. Or to Glenn's
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: first game. My dad, I think he's still on the
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Glenn train. We haven't talked all week, and I purposely
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: haven't talked to him before I did this because I
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: didn't want him to influence me. But the thing is,
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: it's like, yo, I'm sorry, man. It was a problem
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: last year. It's now a problem again this year. Him
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: not understanding clock and score and situation. And it potentially,
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: and I think this week you got to be pretty
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: clear that that it cost us a game. Is Glenn
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: over his head?
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that. I want to say that he's
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: on the learning curve.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: I hear it. I hear it. Yo, we ain't got
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: time for that shit. It's the NFL, baby.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. And that is the realest thing. The NFL,
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: there's no time to wait for you to catch up.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: It's not like back in the day where you could
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: take a couple of games and you get into your mode.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: But I don't want to say that he's in over
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: his head. I think if he brought in help as
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: far as clock management, there are people that know how
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: to really experience veterans The chatter that bothers me is,
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: you know, Tomlin is out there, right? Tomlin is out there,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: and everyone that I can hear within earshot is like,
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: this is the guy to go get. No one wants
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: to have the patience for Aaron Glenn. I'm like, listen, man. Again,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: he's a defensive coordinator. This is his first job as
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: a head coach. Let's give him a little slack. And,
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: you know, like I said, he does need help, though.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. He does need help. I forgot what
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: it was. We were up like 10.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: We're up 10 points with five minutes to go.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: And I, and I, I'm like, all right, I might
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: get to my mom. So I'm just jumping the car.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: We're right.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: I put it on a radio and I'm like, what
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: is going on? I'm in traffic. I'm like, is this
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: really happening right now? I'm just like, I'm just turning
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: this off. Cause I'm gonna get ruined the rest of
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: my day. I didn't even see the ending. I was
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: so pissed. I was like, I can't even look, man.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: So there's a couple of things to look at. You got, okay.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Like you said, 10 point lead with five minutes to go.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: You have the failed fourth down. Where you run it
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: on third down and then it's a long one. It's
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: a long one. You haven't been able to run all game.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: You could tell that the entire game plan of the
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Packers was we're going to make them throw the ball.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: They want to run the ball. We are going to
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: blitz people into these gaps and we are going to
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: play like they're running. And they were getting stops. Our
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: offensive line is supposed to be one of our strong suits.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, they were getting
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: beat all fucking day. All right. Membu himself, who's supposed
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: to be the man. Everybody's graded so well, all this stuff.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: I've seen bunches of clips of him getting dominated or
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: just getting run around. And so, hey, once you see that,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: it's the fourth quarter. We already know what time it is.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: We already see what's going on. I personally think on
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: a long one, at that point, yo. You throw the ball,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: a little play action, do something, give yourself another option, something.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I just thought that it was way too predictable. And,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: you know, Frank Wright, listen, the NFL is so fucking
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: week to week, man. Last week, Frank Wright was the man.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, look at him. He's, you know, what
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: a great game plan. We're running the ball. We're doing
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: it this week. he makes some mistakes and now you
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: want to jump all over the guy. So I understand
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: sometimes that that's just us being reactionary as fans. But
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: to me, you have the fail fourth down, then you
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: have that long punt return that we gave up. That
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: was a killer, which our special teams is supposed to
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: be so good. But in that game, we end up
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: having two fumbles of punts that we end up recovering
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: and it being okay. But I think that had a
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: lot to do with Aaron Glenn being so sheepish at
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: the end of regulation and not To me, that's unexcusable.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I don't care what we're talking about. There's three things
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: from Aaron Glenn. The fact that he let the clock
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: run off. Okay. And then the fact that we didn't
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: kick the ball in overtime. Your defense at this point
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: right now is the best defense in the NFL. Number
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: one rated defense right now. And so at that point,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: you're talking about, okay, well, we wanted to have a
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: long drive and run the ball down there and take
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: a bunch of clock. You ain't been running the ball
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: all game. So your best situation is to get a
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: punt and get one or two first downs and kick
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: a field goal and win the game.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and, you know, old school football in that moment
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: was not the way to go. The problem for me,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: and I don't want to get into, like, even some
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: of the plays and how it all came down. There's
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: a saying, I forgot where I picked this up from,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: but there's a saying, and it's going to kind of
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: back what you're saying, The fish rots from the head.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: So what happens when the team finds itself in that
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: position and you start having those failures, it trickles down, right?
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: And now the players are lacking confidence. They're not going
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: into the situation. A play like that, he should have bootlegged.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: He should have bootlegged out and either ran it or
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: thrown it downfield and take that shot. I actually agree
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: with you about that. He should have passed it. But
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I think you bootleg, come out naked, and he rolls out,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: and you have, you know, he can run, right? And
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: he has a cannon, so I'm like, all right, no.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: But my point to to bringing that up is that again,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: fish rocks from the head. I think the team, I
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: think there was some of the play calling, some of
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: the indecision, some of the failures. We have to learn
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: how to win. We have to learn how to win
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: in those moments. And I think this is a lesson.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: This is a lesson for that team. So we'll see
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: where they go from here. How do they respond to this?
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: It's all a process. When you ask the question about
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Glenn and his future as head coach, what happens from here, right?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Because everybody gets punches. How do you react?
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Where is this?
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Is he in the film room? Does he realize that
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: he understands the mistakes that were made and prevents him
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: the following week? Or are we going to see a
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: routine here? where these guys continue as an organization, as
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: an entire team to make these kind of mistakes? Then
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: your question becomes much more valid where, you know what,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: maybe it's time to look elsewhere.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: He definitely needs somebody in his ear talking to him
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: about clock situations. And basically, you know, what you just said,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and I think it is dead on, is this you know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: are we going to look back as this is just
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: like a bad loss or are we going to look
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: at it as like the beginning of proof that like
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: maybe Aaron Glenn's not ready to be a head coach
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: and the Jets are still a bad team. Every team,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: remember last year after week one and that was in
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: a loss, you felt optimistic about the Jets. And that
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: was last, you know, so, so, so with this week
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: goes like this, we get Detroit next week and let's
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: say we get waxed all of a sudden it's like, damn.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny because I, I don't feel, and I
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: look at us play whatever, I don't feel we're a
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: bad team now. I think that's in our past now.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I think this is a good team.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying I felt the same way this time
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: last year. After week one, we played well, but we
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: lost at the end. Then week two, we come out,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: we lose. But you still kind of felt like, all right,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: we saw that team that we saw week one with
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Justin Fields. We could be all right. I'm just saying
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that we are one week and a blowout away from
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: feeling like the season's fucking over. And I think we're
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: a better team, too. I came into this league with
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of optimism. But when you feel like
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the coach is over his head and then if you
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: get waxed by a Detroit team that actually hasn't even
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: looked at the first two weeks. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's it. That's why his his I don't
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want to make this
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: sound like a must win game for him.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: But honestly, it kind of feels like a must win game.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Because you're going to have all of these scenarios play
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: out again. You're going to have the same conversation. It's
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: going to feel like the same old Jets. If they're
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: making those mistakes, if they're not executing late.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: The turnovers last week. Come on, man. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Not the turnovers. The penalties last week. And then also
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: the inability to recover a fumble and make a turnover.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: We forced four fumbles.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you mentioned it earlier with the number
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: one D. And you have to give him credit. I
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: think of Rob Salazar, right? These guys come over as defense.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: You think of Todd Bowles, too, right? These guys come
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: over as defensive coordinators, and the defense is stout. The
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: defense gets stops, and they play well. But it's on
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the offensive side of the ball where you just don't
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: see the organization responding the way that it should. So
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: maybe that's on Frank Wright, but maybe not.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: At the end of the day, got to get a quarterback.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: That's what it always is. To me, in my opinion,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the Jets, if they ever get to a point where
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: they're eliminated from the playoffs, then Klubnick has to start
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: every game for the rest of the season. just to
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: be able to see what you have in him because
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: you have three first round picks next year. So you
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: have to see if this guy is worth, you know,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: if you, if you come out of this year feeling
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: like he could be your Jackson dart, then that's a
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: different situation. But if you feel like, Hey, we still
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: need to get the quarter to me, whenever people don't
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: take that chance, they should take the chance on a
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: quarterback every year. It's a fucking roll of the dice
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: every single year. If you don't have one, your first
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: pick should be one until you, until you get lucky
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and you get the guy because nothing matters until you
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: get that guy.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And rejuvenated, reinvented Geno is awesome. I'm going to be honest.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I think that what he's done in his career is
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: great to still be giving the game this much at
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: a high level. So that's a lot about him. But yeah,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: you're right. I mean, you have to find that guy
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: because he's not that guy. He's a lot of things,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: but he's not that guy.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Right. He's the prototypical bridge quarterback. And I think he
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: knows that. And who gives a fuck how he feels
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: about it?
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: You know what you got to do.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: He knows what time it is. Go for him. Like
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I said, shout out to him, man. He's had an
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: amazing career, all things considered. He's had an amazing career.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: All right, so back to you, Yankees, man. So Aaron Judge,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: you know, yesterday your boy Aaron Boone comes out and
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: he says that, you know, Judge is going to be
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: out at least through the wild card series. It's looking
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: like lower leg injury. They're not saying exactly what it
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: is and giving details. Judge comes out today and says,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I'm playing in the wild card series. I mean, first
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: of all, you know, do you think he's actually going
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: to play And then how much are you going to
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: be pins and needles that at any moment it could
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: all go bad for him? Because it seems like he
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: always gets injured when he's just walking or something like that.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: And then also, my question is that if he says
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: that he can't, if he ends up not being able
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: to play consistently throughout the playoffs, do the Yankees still
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: have any chance?
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: That's a tough question. So, I mean, as far as
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Aaron Judge, you know, I had mentioned earlier that at
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the time, the Sonny Gray thing, and that really was
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: the prime of his career. You know, now he's a
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: little older and he does get hurt kind of easily.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: And when he does get hurt, he's out forever. I'm
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: past that point. We're walking on pins and needles over
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: his health. I'm really past that point. I think that
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: when he's in the lineup, obviously it's great because you
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: get some of the protection. So you'll see guys like
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Garcia and Angelio and these guys get some protection. So
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: that's good. I think those guys are good hitters. Belly,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I think Belly's a great hitter. So, but you need protection.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: You need somebody in that lineup, even if it was Stan,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: even if you can get Stan back.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: You mean having a young, like all time, great home
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: run hitter in the middle of your lineup is a
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: good thing. And most baseball teams should want to be
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: able to do that. Okay. We'll talk a little bit more.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit more about that here in
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a second. Go ahead. Sorry. Yeah.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Something like that. Something like that. But so, yeah, so
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: just from the fact that he'd be healthy and he
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: provides that protection in the lineup for the other guys,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I think that would be awesome. Cause you, you, the, uh,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: he was back for, I'm going to say maybe a
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks, uh, And people were being a little
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: bit more careful with him, knowing who he is. And
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: you saw Bellinger getting pitches that he probably wouldn't have
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: gotten if the judge wasn't there. So just from that aspect,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I'm fine. But I think if he doesn't return, it's
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: not the end of the world for us. It's interesting.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: And what I've heard, it's a calf. I forgot where
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I've heard this already, but I hear that it's a
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: calf injury for him. It's interesting, though, that Aaron Boone
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: says one thing and not 24 hours later, he's saying
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: something different. That's the kind of discord you usually don't
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: see with them. And it may be a flag to
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: a bigger problem there. But I don't know. Yeah, I
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: found that interesting when he came out and said that.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: But we'll see. We'll see what actually happens.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen. Aaron Judge is obviously a generational force when
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: he's in the lineup. Now, in the playoffs, he has
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: not been his best. He has not been a playoff riser.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: He's no Jalen Brunson, that's for sure. But, you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: as we know, with a guy like A-Rod, all it
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: takes is one hot playoffs to totally change that entire
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: narrative about yourself. And then who knows where it goes
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: from there. But, yeah, if he has one hot playoffs
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and brings the Yankees a World Series championship, ain't nobody
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: going to be talking about all these other years where
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: he didn't get it done. All it takes is one.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: All it takes is one. All it takes is one.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: And, you know, I always want everybody to be healthy
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and especially, you know, great players like him. And like
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I said earlier, you know, with the Knicks winning the
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: championship here, I know what it would do for the city. Obviously,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: if the Mets were involved, I would still want that
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: to be, you know, that would obviously be my focus.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: But at this point, you know, that season's been done
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: for months. So now it's interesting to see this Yankees
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: team as they go in because you have the whole
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: thing with Aaron Judge, that cloud, who knows exactly what's
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: going to happen there. You know, we've gotten two different
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: reports in two days, so who knows what it's going
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: to be tomorrow. But at the end of the day,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: They have the pitching staff now that I feel like
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: they haven't had here in recent years that really gives
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: them a chance to shorten games. If you take your
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: best eight pitches or so and don't have to expand
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: out of much more than that, and you get some really,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: really big, long innings from your best guys, now you
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: have a chance to, like I said, shorten series and
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: make that type of run. At the end of the day,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: it's not usually hot hitting that wins World Series. It's
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: almost always... the arms getting hot at the right time,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and the Yankees this year with some new additions and,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: you know, some guys being healthy have a chance to
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's funny because the Yankees style of
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: play where it's all or nothing, home run ball or famine,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I've always thought it hurts them. It's great for the
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: regular season. I don't think it works in the playoffs.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the things that's haunted
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Aaron Judge in his career because they've played that way
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: since he's been a Yankee. We don't really work on
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: moving runners over. We don't really play small ball. It's
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: all or nothing with a feast of famine. But, you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: that being said, this team can get timely hitting. This
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: team has the pitching rotation to shut people down. That's
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: what counts in the playoffs. So I am optimistic about
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. We got Jazz back. We need Jazz to
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: get in rhythm, obviously. Are you a Jazz guy? I mean,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: we're going to lose him now. And I hate that
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: more than anything.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: He's a very polarizing figure in Yankee land. So where
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: are you at with him?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I would love to keep him. It's a shame that
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: it got to this point. There's some things I don't
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: like about him where he has terrible plate discipline. He
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: swings at anything, man. I used to love Vladimir Guerrero.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Vladimir was the same way, but Vladimir gave you contact. Senior,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Vladdy Senior.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: He can golf it from his shoe.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: A ball that bounces. Okay, he can hit it for
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: a home run. Yeah.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Vladdy was awesome, man.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Yo, I have Vladdy in a list the other day.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Somebody asked about, like, you have an outfield, and you
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: have a man on third with less than one out,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: with one out or two outs or less than two outs,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and you want to make an outfield. Like, who would
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: you put out there? And I say, you know, whenever
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I do lists, I don't ever put anybody that I've never,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: that I didn't watch personally play. So Willie Mays, Roberto Clemente,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I know they had great odds, but I'm not putting them.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: So I threw out there, I had in center field, Griffey,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: in left field, Ichiro, and in right field, Vlade. Vlade's
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite non-Mets players of all time, just
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: as far, I mean, the cannon, the crazy, like, wild
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: plate discipline, like, the way to just go opposite field.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: And back in the, MLB MVP 2005, which is 2004,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: which is like one of the greatest video games of
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: all time, Vlad Guerrero was the man in that game.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I remember, you know what, I'll be honest with you, Vlad,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: and I was a diehard Yankee fan. I loved Don Mattingly.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: But Vladimir Guerrero was the first official baseball jersey I
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: ever purchased. Because like I said, five tools, man. The
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: guy could run. The guy had a cannon, like you
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: just said. And while I kind of make it seem
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: like a lack of play discipline, that's probably not true
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: because he always had contact. He always made contact. You
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: weren't striking him out, right? But there was no pitch
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: he didn't like. The problem with Jazz is he has
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: the same scenario, except he doesn't have contact. He has
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: way too many strikeouts and he bats in the low 200s.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: So, None of these guys hit anymore. There's like three
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: guys hitting over 300 now. What happened?
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I hate it, man.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I hate it. Everybody's all about launch angle, and they're
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: trying to pull everything.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Velo, whatever, man.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. And like you said, in the World Series,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: when it really counts, I go to the last time
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the Mets were in the World Series in 2015. They
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: played against the Kansas City Royals, and that was that team.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: All they did was just slap hits, and they get
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the ball out there and make guys make plays.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Love that team. Love that team, man. They play baseball.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: The way that I grew up watching baseball, I love
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: that team. Yeah, but I don't know. I'm still looking
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: forward to the playoffs. Like I said, we'll see what
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: happens with judges' health. They're saying Grisham is going to
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: get back. That'll help. The dream would be that Grisham
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: gets back. Judge gets back and Stan gets back and
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: we're all in the lineup and then pitchers have to
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: deal with all of them and then we'll see where
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: it goes. But I'm a little disappointed with the injuries,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: but I'm not down on the team.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: As we know, it's health over everything. Are you an
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Aaron Boone guy?
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: It's tough because either you believe that he's just a
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: mouthpiece and he's not calling plays and the numbers are
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: doing all the work behind the scenes and he just
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: does what he's told. Or he's making these bad decisions
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: and this and that. At this point, I've kind of
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: had enough of him and Cashman. If they decided it
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: was time to make a change, I'd make the change.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: They probably would wait till after Judge retires, I think,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: at this point before they go rocking the boat like
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: that to do anything that drastic. But we'll see. If
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: you're asking me if I'm an Aaron Boone guy, I'm
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: still rooting for him. I still want the best for him.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: But I've seen enough of him.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, of course you want the best for him.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: He's your manager. So you want things to go good
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: for him. But yeah, I listen, I, you know, I
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: wouldn't care for Aaron Boone very much if he was
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: my manager, but also, you know, I also thought Carlos
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Mendoza was the answer and would, and there was a
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: time where was singing his praises. So this can all
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: change in a New York minute. And at the end
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: of the day, you know, Hey, I hope that I listen. I,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I wish the best for the, I hope they, I
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: hope they can go into it and be healthy and
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: we can see what happens. And it ends up, you know, fall,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you know, falling that way.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you. I got to tell you, man, I
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: find your Mets interesting because they remind me of that
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: 2021 Knicks team where there's a mixture of talent that's
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: in their prime and then a nice pool of young talent, right?
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: And there's some money available. They've given Soto all this money, obviously,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: and Alomar's... Not Alomar. Hit me, Alomar. Why is his
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: name escaping me? The Boricua. Oh, my God. The Boricua.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Lindor.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Lindor, thank you. He said Matt. That's why his name
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: is escaping me. But, you know, a lot of talent.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Come on, I got to give it to you a
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: little bit, right? A little real bad. But there's a
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: lot of talent there, and it's interesting what they do
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: in this offseason. I think the GM probably has to go.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I think the GM probably has to go. I don't
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: follow him closely enough, but I think he probably has
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: to go. But there's a Benj, right? Benj? I forgot
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: how you pronounce the kid's name.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Carson Benj.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Carson Benj. Thank you. Talented, talented kid, man. I like
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: that kid. I think he's pretty good. Ewing is good.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man. We'll see what they do, man.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I'm really interested in the offseason. I want to see
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: how they move.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: You know, I'd be really excited going into this offseason
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: just for the fact that, you know, like you said,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: we do have some really young pieces. We also found some,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: you know, young arms. You know, you have Thornton who's
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: come in and looking like he's going to be a
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: part of the rotation. You know, Jonah Tong, obviously. McClain
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: is a young ace in the making. Right. Maybe Senga
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: is a guy that is better suited for the bullpen,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. I think we might need to
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: move on from him. Bichette's going to be coming back.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: This would all be so much better if we weren't
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: also just, you know, really looking for a power hitting
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: first baseman who was going to hit a lot of
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: home runs and, you know, drive in a lot of runs.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: And we didn't, you know, just decide. to get rid
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: of him. You say that they probably got to get
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: rid of Stearns. They absolutely positively have to get rid
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: of David Stearns, that fucking nerd who's, as, as, as
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Pete Alonzo said, you know, he'll be looking at his
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: graphs and charts when Pete Alonzo goes into the hall
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: of fame and in fucking Orioles hat, this shit will
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: never not make me in, Yo, bro. Oh, check me out, man.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I'm one of these dudes like, you know, I go
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: back and forth with people on Twitter, but only when
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I'm still having fun with it. As soon as I
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: start to get a little bit angry, like feel angry,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I typically am like, I don't want to do this.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put my energy into this. To this day, today,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I spent way too much time in my very busy
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: day going back and forth with somebody who's like, well,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Pete had, you know, every chance to come back to
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the Mets. He just wanted to chase all the money.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Nobody says that Aaron Judge wanted to chase all the
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: money because he turned down the Yankees' initial offer, then
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: went out to San Francisco and talked to them and
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: put the squeeze on them and made them pony up
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and give him all the money that he could possibly get.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: That's what these guys should do when they're... This is
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: their job. They should be getting as much money as
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: they possibly can when they do their job. And so
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: people who get mad and say that the Knicks could
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: have kept him and don't realize that, first and foremost,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: this is a non-salary cap sport. So therefore... Having the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: richest owner who's also supposed to be a fan means
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: that this never happens. You talked about the Wilpons before.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: We went through that. When we got Steve, we were like, yo,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: this is great. Shit like this is not going to happen.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Us losing Zach Wheeler to the Phillies is not going
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: to happen. And this guy is over there. I'm pretty
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: sure he went yard again today. He's up at like
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: 42 dingers and 100 plus RBIs. He does it every
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: fucking year, yo. And you let this guy get away,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: nobody will ever make it since Stearns has to go.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it never made sense to me. I actually liked Alonso.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: He should have retired at Met. And again, I'm not
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: a Mets fan. That moment, because he needed that moment.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: That moment against... And I think the guy ended up
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: becoming your saver. I mean, closer, but he's hurt now.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Devin Williams, yes.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Devin Williams, thank you.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: He was the Yankees closer for a year, and then
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: now he's the Mets closer. And he hasn't been very
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: good in either stint, and now he's hurt.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: And now he's hurt. But it's just funny to watch
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: it play out, because before... They laid out all of
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the money that they laid out for Soto, right? It
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: was no holds barred. We're securing the top baseball free
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: agent available, and they did that. And that was great
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: for them. I applaud them for that. That was a
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: great move. You have to pony up for Alonzo in
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: that moment. You have to. There's no way that you don't.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: And the difference between what he ended up getting from Baltimore,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: now you have to live with that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: It was just years. It was just years. They were basically,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the Mets did not want, the whole Mets, the whole
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: thing was that we don't know what, we're talking about, well,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: we project that in his, because of the type of
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: player he is, his size and all these other things,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: in years four and five, he's not going to be
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: that good. And that shit is, I mean, that shit
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: is such a backwards way of thinking for so many reasons.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: But yeah, go ahead.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: But the time is now. You're a win-now team. They're
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: a win-now team. You're not playing for four or five years.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Soto's prime. You can't waste years of Soto's prime.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: What are they doing? That was, I mean, that's probably
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: why he has to go alone, but I'm sure there's
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: more reasons than just that. But yeah, man, I was
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: actually hoping he ended up with the Yankees, man. That
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: shit would.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Have been even worse. Honestly, this whole Mets season, it
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: hasn't even really bothered me that much because I'm still
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: on that high for the Knicks. Like you said earlier.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I'm almost like, there's so many people I know that
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: are like, yeah, you know, that's over, but I'm already
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: thinking about next season. I'm not even thinking about next
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: season yet. I'm not worried about that. Like you said,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: we got a little bit less than a month. I
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: want some more time to bask in this joy that
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I've waited for my entire life. You know what I'm saying?
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: But when it comes to this Mets season, I've kind
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: of been like, yo, whatever, whatever. And then when Pete
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: came and got number 300 and threw the fucking bat
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: and looked and was like, he will prove you wrong. Oh,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: come on, man. That shit hurt my heart. That's a moment.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: During that series, my wife, who just follows the shit
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: because I follow it, but she's been with me for
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: 20 years, so she's seen Pete entire career.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Congratulations.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you. She's like, this just isn't right, man. She
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: looked like she had tears in her eyes. She was like,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I can't believe seeing this shit.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: That's our guy. Yeah, that is a brutal moment. And
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: it was a necessary moment.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: You give the guy the years.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: What are you really arguing about? You just gave Soto
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: the amount of money you gave him. You gave him sweet.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: You gave him, I think it was 15 years or
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: whatever it was they gave him. How can you come
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: back to a guy like Alonzo, who's a homegrown Met,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: has that legacy with the fans? You kind of have
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: to keep a guy like that. And I don't want
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: to put him in a judge category, but this is
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: a guy that that he's with the Mets for years.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: He's come up with the Mets. He's proven himself with
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: the Mets now. He had that moment with Williams. You
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: have to get that deal done. I never understood that.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: And again, I was rooting for him to end up
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: being a Yankee because we could have really used a
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: guy like that at the time. But, you know, it
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: is what it is, man. Shout out to Pete, the
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: polar bear.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I'll never get over this shit, man. Shout out to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Howie Rose, who, you know, he called his last game
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: longtime Mets play-by-play guy. Been on the radio, done some
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: TV as well. Howie is the absolute best and absolute
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Mets almanac. There's no game you talk about that it's
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: like that he doesn't. that he just can talk about it.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: He was there going back to the 60s and shit.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: So shout out to Howie Rose, man. Shout out to
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Howie Rose. Obviously, he's going to rest, but I hope
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: we find a way to get him something. Get him
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: a weekly pop-in on a podcast somewhere, something like that.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: But yeah, man.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Fire Stearns, man. Fire Stearns and then go from there.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: But he's not going to fire him. He's not. I
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: really don't think he's not because I think that he
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: looks at Stearns and he says, you know, I have
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: to give this guy his time for his thing to
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: come into fruition. Look what he did with Milwaukee and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: they're still sustainable and have one of the best records
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: in the MLB after he leaves. Now, I just don't,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: to me, when, this is not Milwaukee, right? This is
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: New York City. And so when we get Stern, Stern's
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: is a New York guy who supposedly grew up, you know,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: as a Mets fan. But if you know Joe Benigno,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: one of the things that he says about Stern's that
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: is definitely true is that you could tell, you know,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you could have a good, if
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: you could have a catch with David Stern's right now.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Like you could tell he's never played a sport in
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: his life. And so that's the thing is that, you know,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: you got to have a certain pulse of the city
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: and understand that like this guy is important to this
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: team to this entire organization, to this entire fan base.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: You don't let him hit home run 300 as an opponent.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: You can't let that be the case. What are we doing?
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you something, just because I think about Cashman.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I'm a little fed up with Cashman too, but I
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: think us as fans, we've been hard on him. This year,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: he's done an excellent job, I actually think, despite the injuries.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: to put that staff together, to react the way that
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: we did after Soto decided to go elsewhere and invest
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the money that they did in the arms, you see
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: the proof in the pudding, right? Like, yeah, okay, we
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: lost Soto, and maybe we're not the offensive monster that
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: we were before, but now we have one of the
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: best rotations in baseball. So we can't say that he
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: didn't adjust, he didn't switch in a moment and say, hey,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: we're going this way, because he did. When I look
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: at Stearns, I don't know, man. I don't know. And
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I know he hasn't been there long. Like you said,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: he still has to let his plan play out. I
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: look at Cashman. Cashman's been here, I don't even know anymore, man.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I lost track 15, 16 years, whatever it is. As
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: a Met fan, how do you look at Cashman?
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I think Cashman is straight up just like a talking
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: head for Hal Steinbrenner. I think him and Boone, the
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: reason that they continue to keep their jobs is because
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: they do whatever he says, and they don't give him
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: too much pushback. I think that you know, George with
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: some of the things, like when it comes to like
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the Soto situation, like George would be rolling over in
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: his grave. George would have never let him, if he
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: was like, if he was in a Pete Alonzo situation,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: he never lets a guy like Pete Alonzo get away
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: in that scenario. That's the thing that bothers me so
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: much about Cohen is that I thought that Cohen, was
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: coming in to be our version of Steinbrenner, the guy
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: with all the money who's actually really a fan of
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the team, who says to the GM at that point,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: says to the president of baseball operations, hey, nerd, shut
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the fuck up. And, you know, I'm going to talk
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: to Pete directly and we're going to get this done. Pete,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: you go out there and you find a deal. If
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: you can find a deal, you come back and you
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: tell me what it is and we'll match it. How
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: about that, Pete? but they don't even talk to this guy.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: So the fact that Cashman and, and, and, and, you know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: and what he's done here recently, it's just, it's first,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: they're just the Yankees, you know, all these different teams,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: they're letting different ownership and private equity come in. And
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, those people are looking
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: at graphs and charts.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: It's crazy how the game is changing, man. How these
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: teams are being run. It's crazy.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: It's very scary shit. The whole private equity thing getting
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: involved in sports. It's something that is horrible. If you
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: really want to listen to a real good podcast that
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: talks about it, Pablo Torre does his podcast, and he
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: does it with this dude, Stavros Halkias, who is a really,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: really funny stand-up comedian, Stavi, baby. And Stavi, like, breaks
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: it down, like, how terrible just the overall, not just
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: when it comes to sports, he breaks it down even
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: talking about something like fast food, where, like, Wendy's sucks
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: now because private equity owns Wendy's. And instead of giving
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: you that big ass piece of lettuce, they give you
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: chopped up lettuce because that costs less to give you.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Instead of that great spicy chicken sandwich that had all
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: that good real chicken. That shit ain't the same as
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: it once was when it comes to a place like, well,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Wendy's is not just owned. It's not just Dave Thomas anymore.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: It's private equity. So Stavi's a bigger dude. So it's
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: very funny for him. That's the way he describes it.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: I'm going to check it out. I'm going to check
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: him out.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Check it out.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm definitely going to check it out, but dig
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: it up. Another point I want to make really quickly,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: not that I want to sidetrack here, but I'm thinking
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: about the parallel you just made with Stearns and with
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Cashman and some of the points you made about Cohen.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: And it's funny because it automatically takes me to our next.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: A lot of the success we've had recently is the
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: reverse of what you're describing for Cohen, where James Dolan
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: took a step back and allowed his basketball people to
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: make basketball decisions. In this parallel now, though, we're like,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: you know what? This is a situation where Cohen needed
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: to step up. Now, every situation is unique. Organizations of
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: different sports are even different. And I get it. But
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: when you think about the Knicks, the Knicks got that
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: success when Dolan finally stepped back and let his folks
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: do what they do. So it's just an interesting parallel
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: for me. Yeah.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: And when it comes to the Knicks, I mean, that's
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: where you and I and, you know, our relationship begins
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and the place that we definitely put. I've always said, like,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I'm a very big fan of the Knicks, Mets and Jets,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: but the Knicks are way above everything. I have always said, like,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: you know, my pops is 20 years older than me
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and he had season tickets to the Knicks for over
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: 15 years. I grew up in the Garden. If you
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: go to my ex and you go and you look
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: at my top picture, something that I reposted that I
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: put on Ben Stiller's page, it's a picture of me
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: in the Garden with his Ewing jersey on that probably
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: goes down to my knees way back in the day
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: as a shorty. That's awesome. I've always said, I just
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: need the Knicks to win a championship. And I just
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: want to be around my dad when it happens. And
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: now I'm lucky enough to, I have a 10-year-old son
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: who he is as invested. I mean, he knows he's
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: a bigger Knick fan than most people you know. And
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I've got to watch him lose a couple times and,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: you know, things not go our way and got him
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: to take his time really becoming an actual Knick fan
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: when it really matters. He actually broke his tibula that day.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: That day, the first game of our basketball season. I mean,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: he's young, so he's already back on his feet, running around,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: doing his thing. But the first game of the junior
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Knicks basketball season, which I coach, and he's the starting
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: point guard, he breaks his tibula. So that night he
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: was in the cast. It was the best, the best
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: distraction we could ever get. And for me personally, like I,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: I still, there's time. I was sitting on my bed
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: the other day. My wife was on the other side
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: and I'm, you know, just on X and like, I
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: see some sort of highlight and I'm watching it. I
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: think it was like a different angle of like the
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: OG tip from like the lower left where like bridges there,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: you see bridges get over top of them and get
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: all hype and shit. And like, I was just looking
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: off into the distance like, yo, man, we really did it.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I still feel like that sometimes right now. And I'm
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: not in any rush for things to get started. But
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: one thing that we are seeing as far as some
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Knicks news coming up here today is Shams comes out
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: with a report, says that Knicks and Karl-Anthony Towns, the
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: contract talks have stalled. I did see Ian Begley come
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: out later and say that it's been going pretty smooth.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Do you think this is even a story or is
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: this a nothing burger?
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: For me, it's a nothing burger. I think that this
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: organization hasn't gone into that second apron. They've twisted themselves
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: into a pretzel to avoid that second apron. And that
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: tells me they're trying to maintain flexibility over anything. because
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I think they recognize that they may have to make
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: a move. They may have to trade somebody. They may
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: have to, not that they want to, but they were
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: willing to let Mitch go to stay out of that
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: second apron. When it comes to Carl, man, Jalen is
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: due for a contract. The last thing you ever want
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: to imagine is that you're breaking up Jalen and Carl
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: over money, right? So I don't know. I think it's
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: a nothing burger, and I think they get it done
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: over time. I don't think that you have the success
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: that you've had in this city and in this organization
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: and let those two key pieces walk away. So I
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: think they get it done down the road. I don't
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: think it ends up being an issue. If you see
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: him in a blockbuster at the break, that'd be amazing, right?
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Because anything is possible. But yeah, man, I think it's
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: a nothing burger, man. I think it's a slow, slow
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: news cycle for Shams and he maybe jumped the gun
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: on something. I don't know, but I don't think it's
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: anything of note long term.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Sean's been taking a few L's here recently too. So
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: it would be crazy if like tomorrow, like, you know,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden like the contract got done and
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: it would be another Sean's L. The second apron talk.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: So I think because of his, his reputation, that being Dolan,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: you have a lot of people who, you know, just today,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: you know, somebody who's making a conversation like, well, they're
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: never going to go into this. So, you know, Carl
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: should get everything. He, he should get all that money,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: you know, fuck Dolan or whatever. And the second apron.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, You really don't understand how the second
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: apron operates. It's not about Dolan saying, like, I don't
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: want to go in the second apron because of all
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: the taxes. Dolan has always shown he's been willing to
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: spend it. 100%. so at the end of the day
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: his issue was him meddling too much and getting involved
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and you know you know uh superseding donnie walsh when
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: it comes to contract negotiations and things like that at
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: the end of the day dolan i'm sure he wants
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: to do whatever he can to keep this team together
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: the second apron is leon wanting to keep that flexibility
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: as you said nick fans please please stop making the
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: mistake of saying silly shit like yo The reason that,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: you know, that these guys, Blunson should get all his
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: money and Kat should get all his money. You know,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Dolan shouldn't get a discount. No, it's about us being
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: able to keep them all together and then being able
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: to make a move like Alvarado at the deadline, which
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: we know was integral in our eventual winning of the championship.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: We can't make that move if we're above the second apron.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: People don't understand that. Yeah.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to act like I'm a cap expert,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: but I understand that it's incredibly prohibitive, that second neighbor.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: And I do believe that we actually lose picks or
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: something to that effect, which hurts how you can trade
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: players because you need the draft capital to move these
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: guys around, too. You have to sweeten deals up. So
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: I think it's that, man. I think it's just an
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: incredibly restrictive, prohibitive place to be, and they're avoiding it
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: at all costs. Whether you want to say that it's
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: James Dolan, whether it's Leon Rose, it's almost indifferent to me.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: The point is they don't want to go into it,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: and that's all that matters at the end of the day.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: But I think they get that done. We've seen people
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: leave some money on the table. We'll see what Josh
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: does because Josh is also due, I believe. So we'll
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: see what Josh says as well. I totally believe that
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Deuce gets traded this year for that same reason, that
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: they want to keep their cap space and flexibility. But,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: you know, we're probably looking way down the road at
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: this point. But, yeah, I don't know.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, as far as Deuce, I think that
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: there's a lot to be seen between now and the
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: trade deadline. I really think that, like, at this point,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: if you're going to try and trade him for, say,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: like a rim-running, you know, shot-blocking young big, it's got
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: to be somebody pretty legit like a Diabate or something
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: like that because Deuce has shown to be a very
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: valuable player. To me, always the biggest issue with Deuce
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: is the fact that he can't dribble. I get in
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: conversations with people and they're like, I know, but look
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: at his stats. He's so elite at all these different things.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Having a guy who's his size who can't dribble is
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: just such a deficiency that hurts you so badly. Like,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: that's why you had to go out and get Jose Alvarado.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Because you needed one other player other than Brunson that
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: you could put on the court that could bring the
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: ball up against pressure. And Deuce cannot do that.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I always think when it comes to Deuce, man,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: and I like Deuce. I don't want to come off
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: the wrong way. But it's just some of his limitations....
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I think of this moment specifically. There was a game.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you exactly the game. I could look
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: it up and find out and get back to you.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: But there was a game late in the game where
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Mike Brown had given Deuce the opportunity to take the
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: final shot. Jalen, I think, was hurt. I don't know
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: if it was an ankle or whatever, but he was hurt.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: He wasn't available.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Deuce didn't even get a shot off, I don't think. Right, right.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: But if you think about that game, if you look
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: at that huddle and you can see the moment where
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Mike Brown makes the call of what they're going to do,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Cat literally rolls his eyes. Cat literally rolls his eyes like, oh.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: And then when you watch what Deuce does, it's like, oh,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, that was terrible. Because he's just not a
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: shot creator. He's going to need a screen. He's going
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: to need a pic. He's going to need some sort
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: of action to really get him free. And when you're
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: trying to close out a game, you need to be
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: able to dribble. You need to be able to create space.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: You need to be able to create. And he just
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't have that. It's something I wish he had in
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: his bag, but he doesn't. So ultimately, I think that's
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: probably why. I would hate to see him go to
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: somebody like Miami. I think he would thrive in a
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Miami type of environment. Um, so, so hopefully, you know,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: nothing like that, but yeah, I think his days are
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: numbered as a Nick.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: I love Deuce because he's homegrown. He's our guy. Um,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I used to think that he, he was
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: a great defender. Now I think he's just an okay defender.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: He's not as impactful as a defender as he once was. Yeah,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: his inability to get to the basket. And every once
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: in a while, he shows you flashes. He'll get to
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: the basket and, like, yam on somebody. But it all
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: comes back to the lack of handle. It's all the
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: handle with him. He can't create on his own because
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: when Deuce starts... Look, there was a time where I
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: hadn't played in a while, and then I went and
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: I played in the men's league. And I played in
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: this men's league, and I was playing with a bunch
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: of young boys and shit. And that was one of
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: the first things I noticed was that beyond just, like,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: you know, my inability to stop myself or land and
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: how much harder that was, But also, like, when I
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: would dribble and when cats would lie, I'd get in
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: any sort of traffic, cats get around me, I was just, like,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: picking up my dribble immediately and trying to get rid
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: of it or some shit like that. When I was young,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: you know, I had some hands and shit like that.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Deuce is like that. He's an NBA basketball player.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: He's 6'2.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: And as soon as he gets around any sort of, like,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: you know, any type of traffic, he immediately picks the
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: ball up. And like you said, he needs to be
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: given an advantage to be effective. He cannot create an
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: advantage for himself or anybody else. He's an elite shooter.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: All the metrics say that he's a really good rebounder.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: All the on-off metrics, we've been hearing it for years.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: When him and Jalen Brunson are on the floor at
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: the same time, it's just the numbers are outstanding, everything.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, when you watch
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: him all the time, it's just like, bro, if you
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: say Deuce or Jose Alvarado, it's Jose Alvarado by a mile.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just because you need that shot creation, you need
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: somebody on the floor that can get through that pressure,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: and you need somebody that can take pressure off of Jalen.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: And Deuce is not that guy. So I think he's a,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: he's a combo. He's a combo guard at the end
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: of the day. And it just is what it is. Yeah.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's a guy that like, like, like you said,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: he's his deal is so team friendly that if you
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: could move him for a piece, especially something that's young,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: that's under control for a few more years that you
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: think can be, you know, something that is.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. If you can make that move right now,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: I think you got to make that move in a heartbeat.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: The cat contract. I don't think it's a big deal. Okay,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: there's a couple ways. I think it's a little bit nuanced.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a big deal. But you know what?
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I was really looking forward to going into this season
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: with both Cat and Bridges having just free, cool heads.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Because those guys last year... With Bridges and all the
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: five picks and some of the different criticism, that clearly
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: bothered him. Cat last year, before the season, him being
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: rumored to be involved in the Giannis sweepstakes, I think
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: really bothered him. I think that by the end of
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: the season, honestly, right after the trade deadline, Cat started
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: playing way better on all fronts. And Cat is clearly
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: an emotional guy. I think that the biggest factor in
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: the Knicks winning their first championship in 53 years, is
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: the fact that Cat all of a sudden didn't just
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: become a serviceable defender. He became a plus impactful defender.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: That's the biggest factor in us winning this championship. Jalen
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: been this dude, man. We know that. We know that.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Jalen been doing this for years. Other people try not
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: to recognize, but look at the playoff leader in fourth
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: quarter points the last few years. It's been Jalen. He
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: been that dude. So Cat, I just hope that, you know, if,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: if Sean, if what Sean's saying is true and there's,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: you know, some sort of discrepancy, cat's an emotional guy.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: And I, I would, I would hate to go into
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: this season with anything over our head. I want us
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: to just go in just thinking about repeating and nothing else. And, um,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: like I said, hopefully it gets done. If not soon, um,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: definitely by the end of training camp.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I, I don't know. I don't, I definitely, I'm
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: not concerned about it. I'm not, you mentioned McHale earlier. Um,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: And like I said, Josh, earlier, there's a lot of,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you call them, hanging nails. There's
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: a lot of little scenarios that could become a factor
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: when it comes to contracts and players and how players
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: get dealt with. Like I said, I mentioned Deuce being traded.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I absolutely see him being traded. He's still an asset.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: He's in his prime, more or less. So this is
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: his peak. He had a poor playoff performance, right? And
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I think he'll straighten that out in a regular season
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: and he'll get his value back up. And we should
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: see a trade like that. But when it comes to Carl,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: you have to sign Carl, man. You have to sign Carl.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: You have to keep this team together. You have to
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: push because this is your window. We had the conversation
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: earlier about the Mets, how the Mets let Pete Alonzo
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: get away. But this is a win-now team, and that
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: was a mistake for them. The Knicks are a win-now team.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: So unless you're getting something back of note, which I
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: doubt is going to happen with Carl being who he is,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: like you said, he changed his game. I was not
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: the biggest Carl Anthony Towns fan before he became to
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: the Knicks. I think he's changed as a Knick. I
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: think he's doing a lot of those things that you
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: mentioned defensively. Plus, I also think his attitude kind of changed.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I think he became more aware. And maybe it was
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: the trade deadline. Maybe those things do get in your
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: head and you're wondering how it plays out. And now
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: that you understand that those things are past and not
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: going to happen, you lock in. So maybe that is
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: what happened. I don't know. But who he is right now,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: it would make sense if he is holding out for
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: more money. I just hope that that's not the case.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: See, I don't see it because he's been making number
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: one pick money his entire career. There's nobody it seems
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: like being a Knick means more to other than maybe
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson. So to me, I think that, I don't know.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: I just see it getting done.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: I see it getting done. I mean, Leon Rose has
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: been his agent his entire life. Like, come on, man. Like,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: until obviously he went into the front office. So you
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: already know what that's about. Like, I just, I don't
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: see there being any way that it doesn't happen. I
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: think it'll get figured out. But I really don't want it.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: I don't want, like, I don't want the season to start.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: And he's going, well, actually, you know what? You know,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: the other factor in this is that his player option
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: for next year is like 60. So for him, he
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: might say, yeah, I'll play this year. I'll do next
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: year for 60, and then I'll take the discount after that.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: But then if he goes for 60 next year, that
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: really starts to change the whole Nick equation and what
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: can be done. So I'm sure that, you know, the
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: one thing I do, one thing for me always with
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: any of these things is I trust Leon. Anybody who
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: don't trust Leon at this point, anybody who's like crying
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: about us not having a center or anything like that
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: or anything. Like, look, you might have certain feelings. I
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: was like, hey, why are we trading away all these
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: centers and these potential picks that could be center? in
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: the draft? At the end of the day, Leon knows
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's the Don. He moves in silence
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: like lasagna, and I trust him to do what's right.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the other thing, too, with this team, and I
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: think we'll see it now, is that now they're champions,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: and there's something that happens when you become a champion.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: You've gone over the hump. You understand what it takes
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: to get over that hump. And it impacts who you
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: get day-to-day and game-to-game. So some of the things that
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: were challenges, the lack of focus, we're talking about that
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: streak they had. They lost maybe nine, including that one
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: to Dallas, where they were fielding a G League team.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: And that was the last loss in that run. And
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: then they went on a tear after that. I don't
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: think you see that anymore. I think you see a
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: team that's locked in, that knows how to win. So
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: when it comes to the trade and the contracts and
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: all that, I'm sure something has to get played out.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: But I think this team appreciates who they are and
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: what they are. So I'm not concerned about that.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: So a question that you make me think about when
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: you talk about them being champions, and this is something
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: that I'm very interested to see going into next year,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: do you think that Brunson and specifically Cat now get
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: a championship whistle? Or do they continue to, because, listen,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm biased. I know that I'm biased. Off
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: the top, I am biased, I know. The amount of
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: people that were watching that finals that, or not Knicks fans,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: I saw Pacers fans talking about like, yo, what these
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: refs are doing to Cat is absolutely crazy. And we
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: see it all season long. I see the replay and
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, this is very clear. And they come
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: out and say the opposite. Do you think that there's
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: any chance that changes now with them being the defending champions?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna say no. And I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: think that's probably, I think those things won't change. I
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: think that when it comes to New York, the way
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: that they call these games, Since Carmelo, since Ewing sometimes,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: you just don't get that whistle in New York. I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: don't know what that's about. We've never had the whistle.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that's about, man. I can't remember
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: any Knick that I felt had the whistle. Now that
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: they've won and it actually turns out to be that way,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: that'll be great. And we deserve it. And it should be.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: But I just don't expect it now. I don't.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Yo, Brunson.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: It's not going to change, man.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Brunson is the kid. I'm with you. I don't think
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: it's going to change either. I personally think that the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: league specifically doesn't like Dolan.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's out there. That's out there.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: I've always thought that they were human, and I've always
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: thought that certain guys get whistles, and I've always thought
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: that part of Cat's issue with not getting whistles is
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: self-inflicted and is on him for certain things. We're not
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: even going to get deep into that, but I will
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: say this. I never once thought that, like, it could
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: actually be fixed. That, like, there could actually be, you know,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: plans made by the league and, you know, that are
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: put down and given to officials to do certain things
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: until I saw this finals. I mean, no one can
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: explain to me why after Wememiana threw Brunson to the
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: ground by his face that afterwards when they got to
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: look at that in slow motion, they didn't say that
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: that's a flagrant foul. No one can ever explain that
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Why you got to remind me of that right now, man?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: That just brings anger right back to me. I got
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: the agita right now. I'm so glad we won, but
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: that really pissed me off because it was just a culmination.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: How much more do you want us to take? He's
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: literally flinging this, man.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: If you don't win game five... What they going to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: do about Wimby stepping under Brunson's foot, clearly on purpose.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: You could tell the rest of them they fucked up
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: by how Brunson got up in his face and he
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: let that shit fly and didn't give him anything. Because, honestly, look,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, my man JB, he
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: kept coming back stronger. Put up foot 45 on their
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: head in game five. And, you know, Nixon five became
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: a refrain that I will use for the rest of
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: my life. But Brunson... Brunson, the kid's becoming a superstar.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: He's about to be on Law & Order. This weekend,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: he's going to be on SNL. And I love all
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: the attention that he's getting. I love the fact that
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: he is getting this true superstar New York, you know,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: King of New York treatment that he deserves. Yes. The
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: SNL thing makes me a little bit nervous. I saw
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: a promo for it today. It was pretty good. Just because, man,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: I just, look, you know Brunson's going to prepare well, right?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Of course. Being funny is not necessarily always an easy
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: thing to do. He's with professionals. SNL, though, overall as
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: a show, hasn't been just consistently great in a very,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: very long time. I'm just hoping my guy, you know,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: that he has a good showing for himself. Not for me.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Not for Nick. Whatever. I'm going. But I'm hoping he
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: has a good showing. You know, like I said, it
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: makes me a little bit nervous. But overall, I got
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: to have faith in the captain.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that because of the kind of guy
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: that he is, that he is so humble, that he
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: is so well-rounded, that he's grounded in who he is,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: I think you can have a lot of fun with
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: that because of his personality. So I think they'll be
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: pretty creative. I've wondered if they would do like a skit,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: something around social media, something around Nick's Twitter specifically. But
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: of course, that's because I'm on Nick's Twitter all day
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: and I'm corrupted by it. And I think that Nick's.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Twitter is the world. You ain't got the call in.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: They haven't had you come down and rehearse yet for
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: your cameo?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I haven't gotten into that yet. But
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: I think that him in that moment, I think he's
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: going to, I think they're going to have fun with it, man.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to definitely do some kind of
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: law and order theme, right? I don't know if they're
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: going to do something where they read tweets or whatever,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: but I think there'll be something social media related because
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know if people have picked up on it
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: or not. Maybe it's just me because I'm an older
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: head and this will be like common sense to you
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: younger guys. But they're definitely so in tune with social media.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: They're so in tune in what not just the talking
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: heads are saying as much, but they're in tune with
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: what the actual fans are saying, what the actual diehards
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: are saying. So, and it's a thing for me. So
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: I'm like, if, if they found a way to incorporate
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: that in SNL, it would be hilarious. I think that
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: would be an amazing thing, but we'll see what happens, man.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: I think it'll be good though. I think they're going
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: to have a great time with it.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: I want to see that. And like, I don't know,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: maybe during the monologue or at some point, Josh Hart
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: trolling him and maybe the whole like thumb situation. Oh
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: my God.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: They got material for days, man. They got material for days.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, man. There's too much to work
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: with right now. They got the law and order thing
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: with Mariska. Uh, He's in there buying coffee and coffee
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: shops on his own. There's just a lot of ways
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: for them to go. With the Roommates podcast, they can
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: have fun with that if they were really getting creative
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Brunson egg and cheese, no dick and balls.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Yo, you saw that, right?
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about? Rob Markman No, I
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: haven't seen that. Rob Markman No, there's a young dude
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: who made a video that went viral where he went
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: into the bodega and he's talking to Ock and he's
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: got the phone up like this. He's like, yo, let
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: me get a bronsonega cheese. Yo, no dick and balls, aight?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: And my dude is like, what? Yeah, y'all saw me.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Rob Markman Now I gotta go look for this, man.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Now I gotta go look for this. Rob Markman Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: He's wildin'. He's wildin'. But yeah, listen, like you said, man.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: They got a lot to go off of. You know,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: this is, Saturday Night Live is a New York show.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: It's obviously a national show. It's crazy, right? Crazy, crazy.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: I've been staying off of social media, man. I've been
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: working hard. I'm doing what I gotta do.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You're the most active person
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: on X. I know you ain't staying off of shit.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about? I don't count X, though, man.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's not social. Okay, okay.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know. X is like, if I'm in between,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: I got my screens at work, I'm having multiple calls
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: and meetings, and my phone is open. And I'll see
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: things and I'm multitasking and I'll just fire off a
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: tweet real quick. X is easy for me because I
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: can do that, right? Like I keep all my jobs going.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: I'm maintaining a conversation. I'll see some funny shit and
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: I'll comment on it quick. But it's funny that my
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: boss made a comment to me and he was like,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: hey man, what's going on with you and that phone?
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, what do you mean? And he was like,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: every time I come by, you're on that phone. And
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, you keep coming by to give me
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: your work. So if you stop giving me your work, right?
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: All you do is send me your workbook. If he
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: would see this, he would crack up. But he knows
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: it's 100% true. Don't worry about me being on my phone, man.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Hey, it gets done. That's my biggest thing.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: I don't drop the ball, man. If the stuff gets done.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: then, hey, you know, don't ask me about what I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: do and my time in between. That's how I stay
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: sane to be able to deal with your ass in
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: the first place. And maybe tell him, be like, yo,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: my man, like, you might not know, but I'm kind
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: of a big deal over here. Nah, never, never, never.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: You're going to be modest. You're going to be modest,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: but it's my job to be here and let them
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: know my guy at Nickinator on X. If you don't
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: know about him, if you're involved with the Knicks at all,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: you definitely know exactly who we're talking to. This is
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: royalty here. But, yeah, man, look, Nick, we're going to
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: get up out of here on this one. I got
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: one more question for you. Sure. Does Philly scare you?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: No, not at all.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Not at all.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Too many egos, not enough basketball. I am a fan
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: of Tyrese Maxey. Jalen Brown, I love his talent, but
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: I think in between the years, he's an interesting person.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say anything bad, like in a
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: bad sense, but there's a lot with that individual, right?
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: As a human being, there's a lot of personality there.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: There's a lot to deal with there. his situation with Tatum,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: I would have never broke that up, but now he's
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: in Philly, and now you're going to introduce LeBron to
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: the mix. So for me, no, they don't scare me
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: at all, man.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: It's interesting. I feel, you know, you brought up Tyrese Maxey,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: and to me, that is the point that's being lost here.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: You brought up not enough basketballs. And last year, when
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: we swept the 76ers, to me, the biggest... deficiency of
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: the six is a thing that like, as a, like
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I looking at it from their point of view that
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: I would have been going crazy about was Maxie, not
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: being aggressive enough and a ball, just not finding him enough,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: especially in big moments. There was times in big moments
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: where I saw him hot potato on that ball. And
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, you're Maxie, bro. You need to like, like,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: let's go. We have seen when you have a guy who,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: especially a guard who handles the ball all the time,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: who can be relied on to take and make shots
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: down the stretch, what that can mean for your team and,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: And now I look at it and it's like, it's
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: not just that they have a bunch of guys who
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: score a lot. They're all ISO scores. LeBron, pick and roll.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Jalen Brown, he's an ISO guy. Maxie needs the ball
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: in his hand. He can do some transition stuff, but
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of him is ISO. Embiid, all he does
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: is ISO. It's not like those Warriors teams where everybody
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: was just, you know, catching and shooting. This is a
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: team where all of these guys are, are guys who
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: need the ball in their hand. And when LeBron is
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: running a pick and roll with Embiid, so now Jalen
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Brown is going to be content with just like standing
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: in the corner and hoping that the ball gets passed
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: to him. I just don't see that working. I think
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: it takes time for teams to gel, and we haven't
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: seen this super team thing work in a while where
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: you just throw up and get together all these different
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: shiny parts and hope that it ends up coming out beautiful. Well,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: we haven't seen that work in a while. We've seen
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: the exact opposite work last year where you saw a
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: team that was built over time with complementary pieces and
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: were all able to come together. To me, Toronto, Miami even,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: and I actually think that Detroit, all those teams to
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: me scare me more than the Miami Heat do going
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: into next season.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Miami Heat, I like Miami. I don't think
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: they have enough. I'd be more worried about Philly. The
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: issue is I don't think they figure it out. I
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: think that there's just not enough basketball. If LeBron is
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: true to his word, we're at 42 years of age
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: or however old he is now, he does feel comfortable
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: in that role where he's just a facilitator and he's
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: going to be their version of Josh Hart, I guess.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: And he's going to make sure, because his IQ is
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: basketball IQ is off the charts. He understands what's happening
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: on the court, what teams are trying to do to them.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: They could have success and they could be very dangerous.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: I just don't think that's going to happen. I think
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: that he's going to revert to who he is. Give
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: me the ball. I can do this. I'm LeBron. And
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: that's going to be the end of the end. And
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: then Jalen Brown's going to have patience for that. Cause
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: he's like, look, I came here to do my part too. And,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: I kind of expect that to implode. But I love Maxie.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: I love Vijay Edgecombe. I think they were terrifying backcourt.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: And I'm kind of glad that they've introduced these other
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: guys to kind of mess that up. I was even
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: a fan of Kelly Oubre. I think Kelly Oubre off
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: the bench, bringing what he brings as far as defense.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: I love Oubre's game.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: I think he's underrated.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: So a lot of- Where did Oubre go? Oubre went
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: somewhere and he stayed in the Eastern Conference, didn't he?
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Isn't he? I think he's still with Philly, isn't he?
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Nah, he went somewhere else, yo. Keep going. I'll find out,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: Kelly Oubre. Yeah.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: And then- And then with Pacers.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: He went to the Pacers. Wow, did he really? Yeah.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: How the fuck I missed that? I fucking missed that.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You scared of the Pacers at all?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: No. No, I think they had lightning in a bottle.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: I think Halliburton's hurt. I think he comes back. He's
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: going to be a good player, but I don't think
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: they're going to be what they had before he got hurt.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: I think the kid that's good for them is the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: kid that they got from Boston. Is he still with them?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: He's a swing.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Matherin. No, no, not him.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: He's gone. What is this guy's name? They was playing defense. Yeah,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: he's a defensive dude.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: You're talking about Kelly Oubre, TJ McConnell, Jairus Walker, Larry
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Nance Jr., Jay Huff, Ben Shepard, Johnny Furphy. I never
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: heard of Johnny Furphy before. You're not talking about Nembhard,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: are you?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: No, Nembhard I know, the Canadian kid I know, and
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: he's good. There was another kid, though. He's probably about six, five.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: I guess he must've left, but he was a problem defensively.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: I felt that.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Neesmith? Neesmith. Oh, Neesmith. I mean that, that fourth quarter
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: he had against us, man. I mean, that's, that shit is,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: I honestly, that was one of the hardest Nick losses
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: of my entire life. I haven't thought about it in
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: a long time because what happened last year, but game one,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: you know, not last season, but the season before in
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: the Eastern conference finals, one of the hardest losses of
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: my Nick's life.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: The, the, There have been duos. There have been teams
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: that I've seen, and people have a certain synergy. The
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Lakers team that won the championship in the bubble, they
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: had Caruso and they had KCP, I believe it was.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: AD.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Very underrated, the chemistry that existed between those guys because
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: they did a lot of dirty work and they were
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: hard-nosed and they were defensive. I thought that Naismith and
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Nembhard had that kind of chemistry. I thought they were
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: all over the place. So I think they lost something there.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: It'll be interesting with Kelly Oubre. Maybe they can duplicate
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: that or not. But I'm definitely not worried about the paces.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: The teams, again, if Philly does figure it out, I
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: think Boston's going to be interesting. We'll see what happens
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: with Paul George, right? We'll see what happens with Paul George.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm definitely not. Maybe it just sounds biased,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: but I think we can run it back. I don't
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: see why we couldn't, but.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: Hey, obviously, as always, when it comes to any sport,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: it all comes down to injuries. That's the number one
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: factor for sure. The Knicks were super healthy last year.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: And so that was a big factor. And obviously, you
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: can only pray for that. And to me, yeah, like
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: I said, to me, the biggest threat is Toronto. Toronto
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: with Kawhi. If you have Kawhi healthy in the playoffs.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Do you have their roster up?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: Toronto... We know they got, what's his name? We know
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: they got R.J. Barrett.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: But they don't have any bigs. They don't have any
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: big of note up there. They had the kid. I'm
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: terrible with names. I'm going to stop paying attention to
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: these guys' names.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Their centers, they got Nate Biddle is one of their centers.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: I have no idea who that is. Trey Jemison, that guy.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Trey. Yeah, shout out to Trey. He
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: got a ring. Portal is their starting center. But then,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: you know, so, yeah, you're right. They don't really have
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: anything extremely just, you know, intimidating as far as bigs
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: are concerned. But they're big everywhere else. And now when
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: you have Scott Barnes, R.J. Barrett, and Kawhi, basically those
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: are going to be your two, three, and four. You know,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: you got Kyle Anderson coming off the bench. I just
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: think that I look at that team last year and
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: what they were able to do, and then for them
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: basically to add Kawhi instead of Ingram, I think that's
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: a huge, huge upgrade. You know, that's a huge– but
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: the problem is with Kawhi is how many– first of all,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: can you– do whatever you can to be able to
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: make sure that he's healthy for the playoff run, whatever
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: that entails. Right. And then if that is like him only.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Playing 50 games, 50 games, 50.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Games, what are you going to be a 60, a 70,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: you know? So it's going to be interesting for sure,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: but a fully healthy them make me more nervous than
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: a fully healthy Philadelphia team and Philadelphia with them and
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: the whole Joel Embiid. I almost, there's a part of
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: me that thinks that they will be a better team
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: if Joel Embiid doesn't play like the less he plays.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they would have to stagger Joel. as
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: far as the Madden success. But for Toronto, just to
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: close the point about Toronto, they're not beating us on
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: the boards. These teams that can't beat us on the
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: board or compete with us on the board, they're not
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: going to matter, man. Not in the playoffs. So I
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: think they'll be a good team. I think they'll be
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: fun to watch during the season. But in the playoffs,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: they're not beating us on the boards. Joel Embiid shows
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: up on the boards, man. I know he's hurt or whatever,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: but he's still a factor down there. So again, if
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: they can figure it out, I think they'll be competitive,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: but I still don't think they stop us.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: The other thing about Toronto that worries me is that
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: Our biggest advantage is that in the entire league, if
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: there's a player that you want to get a bucket
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: in a very, very clutch moment, we have the best guy.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: We have the best one. Kawhi's another guy that's on
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: that level. I still say we got the best guy,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: but there's nobody else in the Eastern Conference that when
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: it comes to getting a big bucket in a key
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: moment that I would fear more than a healthy Kawhi Leonard.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: I'd just throw OG or McHale on him and whatever happens, happens.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be worried about him. He's just not that
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: guy anymore. He's an older guy. He's been through some things.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Kawhi was pretty nice last year. He was pretty nice.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, after sitting for I don't know how long. I
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: don't know. Plus, I know, because these guys know when
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: these things are rumbling, when the rumblings are in the background.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: He knew he was playing for a contract. He knew
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: he was playing.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, word. Oh, he played the most games in a
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: while last year because he was playing for that contract.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: Uncle Dennis was like, you need to get out there
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: and get that brand, son.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: There are guys that love, I don't know, I don't
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: want to besmirch his name like this, because I do
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: feel that there are guys that play basketball for the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: love of the game. and the craft and they invest
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: in them. And then there are guys that play because
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: of all of the things that come from the game, right?
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: And Kawhi, man, I don't know. I felt like Kawhi
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: could have been in the GOAT conversations at a point.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: I think Kawhi, and I don't know, man. I don't know,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: that fell off track for him. And then everything he's
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: shown since then, it's just been about him. So I
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't have the faith that he'll be
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: that guy, but we'll see.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: You got that two years, 115. So he might just be,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: you know, let me get this bag real quick these
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: next couple of years and let me get on up
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: out of here.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: It's hard not to think that there's a good chance
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: that Kawhi feels that way. But, you know, when you
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: make these– you're right. You're right. You're right. Because a
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: lot of times when people make these types of conversations,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: they always are, like, doing the if everything goes well.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: But sometimes you just have to factor in– like, when
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: we're talking about the Kawhis or the Embiids of the world,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: we have to factor in the fact, like, it's a
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: 50-50 chance at best that they play in the playoffs.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know how they play, but just that they
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: even play.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Most important ability. All right, man, we're going
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: to get up out of here, man.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: Thank you, man.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Hit that like, hit that subscribe. Love having you on.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: That seat is always available whenever you're ready. But yeah, man,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: love having you on. You don't really promote yourself or
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: anything like that. It's crazy that you don't even have
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: your own shit, but that makes me lucky enough to
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: be able to have you on.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, listen, and I've said this to a few
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: folks before. I have a lot going on outside with
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: work and everything else. For me, the Knicks is the
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: one thing I wouldn't want to corrupt. My fandom is
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: not something that I want to become a responsibility. If
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: someone is traded, I want to enjoy it as a fan.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: I don't want to feel obligated to come running. to
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: social media. It's not to knock anyone that does it.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: I love all of them because they give me the
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: content that I want as a fan. For me, the
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: Knicks are where I go to get away from the world.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: It would be tough to make it a responsibility. That
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: being said, I have some opportunities. I am trying to
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: do a couple of things just for the love of
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: the team and the sport. But we'll see how those
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: things play out. But thank you for having me on, man.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: And listen, when are you coming to New York, man?
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Let's catch a game in New York, man. Come to
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: the Garden.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: Yo, man.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: I re-upped my package, man. I have my seats, man.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Let's figure something out.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Okay. Well, listen, listen. It's on wax now.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: So I'm definitely holding you to that next time I
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: get out there because we already know. Are you going
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: to open tonight?
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Look at you, man. Good for you.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Good for you.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: I saw you saying something about raffling off that extra ticket.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Are you still thinking about doing that?
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny, man? I had some people that
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: were like, I will stab you. Yo, I'm saying.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: There's got to be people in your life who are like,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: you better not take no random motherfucking of this shit. Right, right, right, right.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Like for me, right, when the Knicks sucked and I
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: was a seed, and it was some people, and it
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: was work related. But I would say, okay, I'm going
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: to take a client to the Knicks game, right? And
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: we can talk hoop and we can talk business and
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: maybe we can find a little common ground and get
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: a deal done. And we could, you know, just business stuff.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: And I had one or two people cancel on me
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: last minute. And the Knicks weren't that good at the time, obviously. Right.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: But the money still was the money to me. And
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: I'm a diehard. You cancel on me last minute. It
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: pissed me off. And I forgot when it happened. But
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: at a point, I would go to the games with
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: different people that I met from social media. And it
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: kind of became a thing because they diehards like I'm diehards.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: And it's important to them as is important to me.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: And they're super thankful that they're actually at the Garden.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: So it was so much good energy that came back.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: to me that I enjoyed that, you know, having that,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: that opportunity with another diehard that, that became a thing
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: for me. I really enjoyed doing that. So this year,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: you know, I got a new job and there's definitely
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: some pressures to, uh, to bring some clients to games
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: or whatever, but I'm telling you, come on out to
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: New York, man. We'll pick a game on the, I'll
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: share my schedule with you. I'll show you the seats
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: that I have and let me know what works for you, man.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: You come out, we go to the game, man. Enjoy ourselves.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: I got, listen, I, I, I jumped out. I ran
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: out there for the, uh, for, for the parade. That was,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: that was obviously like a last second I had to
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: put together. I was just there a couple weeks ago.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: My grandfather, Southern Queens Park Association, out in Queens, it's
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: like 54 acres of land that is a community center.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: He founded that 50 years ago. So I was out
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: there for the 50-year gala with that. Yeah, man. And
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: so I had to be out there and represent for
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: the fam. And so I was out there just here recently.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: I actually, because my kids, my son said to me,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: he was like, yo, are you going to try and
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: go back for the game one when they bring up
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: the banner? Yeah. And I jokingly said it for him
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: and my wife. I was like, yo, I mean, I
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: don't know. Like, you know, tickets are like $ 1, 200 just
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: to be all up in the $ 400s. Like, it's crazy.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: But if I can make it back for that. And
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: my wife looked at me like I was fucking crazy.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: She was like, yo. She's like, you just went back
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: for this. You bought every piece of Nick's gear possible
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: since they won a championship. And now we talk about
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: 1200 and going to trip back. And I was like, yo,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: but what if I could get, she's like, so we're
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: going to wait a little bit longer in the season.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: The Knicks come out here. You and I saw each
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: other last year at Knicks versus Suns, which I've been
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: to every Knicks-Suns game for the last however many years
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: since I've lived out here since 2014. Beautiful arena. Beautiful arena.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: Beautiful arena. I like that arena.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Beautiful arena. Arizona is beautiful. Three months of the year,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: it's absolute hell. But the rest of the year, it's fantastic.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: But I will tell you, I've been coming back to
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: East a lot lately, like I said, and I'm getting
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: the itch, man. I started talking to my wife a
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: couple not too long ago, but like, yo, man, because
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: she's my wife from Jersey, too. My wife is from Jersey, too.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: We're just out here because my parents are out here, really.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: But honestly, like, yeah, man, I'm, you know. The East Coast, man.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: The East Coast. You know the East Coast, man.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: Of course, of course.
• 1:22:41
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