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Did you know that the real manosphere is trans? · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Call back to frame. Did you know trans where we're
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  Speaker 1: going looking at? Yeah? Fine, fine, you're.
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  Speaker 2: Allowed, Okay, fair enough, keep going.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, no, we're gonna be looking at a video.
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  Speaker 1: What is this video called?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Looked at that that? It's literally from from the Battle
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  Speaker 1: of Ideas. The real Manisphere is trans by Julia Well,
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  Speaker 1: Julia Long. She's part of a broader panel. She is
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  Speaker 1: a lesbian separatist feminist that is going to make the
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  Speaker 1: case for like why the manisphere is actually trans. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's okay, now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's theranosphere. Uh well, that probably won't advantage men
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  Speaker 2: in e though, be.
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  Speaker 1: Honest, No, no, I don't imagine that men trying to
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  Speaker 1: live as women is going to make their lives better,
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  Speaker 1: but it will take something from women according to this woman.
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  Speaker 2: So mm hmm, yeah, okay, but I mean, honestly, like
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  Speaker 2: the the rad the radfems, because I presume, as a
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  Speaker 2: lesbian separatist, she is firmly in the rad femme category
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  Speaker 2: of being.
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  Speaker 1: I think assumption, Yeah, I won't, I won't.
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  Speaker 2: So red stockings, red stockings. Actually, I mean all feminism
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  Speaker 2: derives from red stockings. The only difference is that the
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  Speaker 2: red stockings the radfems say that men oppressing women is
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  Speaker 2: an innate drive to men, So men have a biological
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  Speaker 2: drive to oppress women. And the other feminists said, no,
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  Speaker 2: we're just gonna make We're gonna just we're gonna use
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  Speaker 2: the universality, the universality of the allegation that men have
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  Speaker 2: a biological instinct to oppress women, because we want to
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  Speaker 2: apply this to all men, right, but we are going
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  Speaker 2: to pretend like we can derive this from socialization, which
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  Speaker 2: they attempted to do and failed multiply, so this is
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  Speaker 2: this is not actually derivable from socialization. But they don't
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  Speaker 2: want to answer for the biosentialism of saying that half
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  Speaker 2: the human race is a bunch of orcs, so they
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  Speaker 2: just call it socialized, which and they can't explain how
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  Speaker 2: how men are socialized cross culture, across the snicity, cross
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  Speaker 2: religious lines. They can't explain that they've never identified this
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  Speaker 2: particular form of socialization, and in fact, they abandoned all
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  Speaker 2: of the attempts to identify the particular form of socialization
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  Speaker 2: and then just went into standpoint theory and said women
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  Speaker 2: feel it, therefore it's true, and there we are. Bob's
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  Speaker 2: your uncle, So The only difference between a radfem and
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  Speaker 2: what people call the good feminists, I suppose, is that
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  Speaker 2: the good feminists pretend they're talking about socialization when they
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  Speaker 2: are actually referring to something that could only be biological
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  Speaker 2: because of how ubiquitous it is, and it is in
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  Speaker 2: fact derived from a biological assertion that Radfem's made, that
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  Speaker 2: men have some kind of oppression gene all of them, right, So,
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  Speaker 2: and of course when you take it from the realm
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  Speaker 2: of biology and put it into socialization, then all kinds
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  Speaker 2: of things open up for you because you gain control
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  Speaker 2: and potentially government grants, corporate grants to change the socialization
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  Speaker 2: that supposedly results in men's desire to oppress women, which
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  Speaker 2: is because you can't identify it anywhere, it could be everywhere,
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  Speaker 2: which means this is an endless make work project for
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  Speaker 2: the so called good feminists who still leave that men
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  Speaker 2: opress women and that although this isn't biological, it might
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  Speaker 2: as well be. So there you go. That's the difference
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  Speaker 2: between the rat fems and the other feminists. Okay, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: That's it, guys. The only thing that's different is that
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  Speaker 2: they've created a fig leaf about socialization which conveniently justifies
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  Speaker 2: why they get to pook their noses and their fingers
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  Speaker 2: into everything. So anyway, okay, so just just consider that
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  Speaker 2: while we are going through this attempt by a rad
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  Speaker 2: fem to equate the manisphere with the transosphere. That sounds ridiculous,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't it. All Right, So if you have any point
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  Speaker 2: the resultant activities that result from that. All right, let's
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  Speaker 2: let's just.
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  Speaker 1: Bet I did. I did get a super child from
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  Speaker 1: Richard Bierre. Like last night, I kinda did not read
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  Speaker 1: so I feel like I should read it, but because
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  Speaker 1: if I could tag it, but I mean, by the
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  Speaker 1: time next Thursday rolls around, Hannah might forget I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: or like not see it. But okay, I mean, we
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  Speaker 1: can just to get into the video if you want.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's very not relevant.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's not. Let's let's let's wait until other people
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  Speaker 2: have put their super chousing because it's not it's not relevant,
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  Speaker 2: like we're just immediately digressing, which we are. We are,
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  Speaker 2: but let's not make it worse.
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  Speaker 1: All right, We're just gonna watch this video straight through.
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  Speaker 1: It's not very long. So this is the real and
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  Speaker 1: the real minisphere is trans Julia long. Oh wait, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: hold on, okay, okay, you know that it's okay, It's okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was originally invited to be on this panel.
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  Speaker 3: Actually I was given a choice between this and another.
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  Speaker 3: And as a lesbian feminist, so I tend not to
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  Speaker 3: spend too much of my time actually thinking or talking
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  Speaker 3: about men, and I had a bit of an aversion.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna stab you here. I mean, really, if you
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  Speaker 2: took men out of the entire conversation for lesbian feminists,
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  Speaker 2: what will be left aside from beating your girlfriend?
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  Speaker 1: Really, she doesn't really want to talk about or think
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  Speaker 1: about men, but she does want to use everything that
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  Speaker 1: men has built, like that studio, that microphone, the internet,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Maybe the clothes she's wearing was made
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  Speaker 1: by women in like a Chinese you know, sweatshop somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: But aside from those hard working ladies, I think that
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  Speaker 1: most of what you have is thanks to men. But okay, sure,
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  Speaker 1: let's just pretend like they're completely Like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: do I have to do this? Well, I guess I'll
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  Speaker 1: have to make the case for it. Even though I
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  Speaker 1: really don't want anything to do with these people. I
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  Speaker 1: do want to benefit from what they've made, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to talk about them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and yet I am about to talk about them
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  Speaker 2: at length. Yes, she was at conjecture on their natures.
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  Speaker 2: This is what's astounding to me. She's she's essentially a
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  Speaker 2: direct inheritor of the Red Stockings. Didn't even bother with
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  Speaker 2: the fig leaf of socialization. So this woman, as a
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  Speaker 2: radical separatist lesbian, believes that men have a biological bent,
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  Speaker 2: a biological urge or instinct to oppress women. It's rooted
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  Speaker 2: in their biology. So right out the gate, she has
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  Speaker 2: demonized half the human race, coincidentally, the half that makes
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  Speaker 2: it possible for her to demonize them. And so that's
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  Speaker 2: where she's coming from, just right off the bat. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the basis for her conjecture that men instinctively want to
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  Speaker 2: oppress women is, of course women's feeling from the late
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  Speaker 2: sixties the early seventies that they were oppressed. And I
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  Speaker 2: just want, I just want to situated, everybody get their
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  Speaker 2: ready back into that area area of time when the
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  Speaker 2: American economy was so prosperous, men could afford to give women,
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  Speaker 2: their women the luxury of staying at home and not
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  Speaker 2: having to work, so they gave them the freedom from work. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So they just wanted to imagine that these women who
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  Speaker 2: were as baby had a problem with no name, which
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  Speaker 2: actually does have a name, is called boredom, which is
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  Speaker 2: the problem. If you're bored, it's a u problem.
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  Speaker 4: Go get a library card, Go learn a new like,
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  Speaker 4: go learn cooking or if you don't want to do
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  Speaker 4: that feminine stuff, go learn philosophy or something add to
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  Speaker 4: the human race in some capacity, but don't stay.
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  Speaker 2: In your house enjoying leisure time that is paid for
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  Speaker 2: by your husband's wage. Get bored, and then call that
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  Speaker 2: boredom oppression. So that's where we're at. Because these women
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  Speaker 2: were bored, they felt resentful because they didn't have a
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  Speaker 2: purpose like men did, so they defined that resentment as oppression. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: And because they had a feeling of resentment and they
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  Speaker 2: define that as oppression, that is only evidence that they
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  Speaker 2: need at the end of the day to prove that
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  Speaker 2: men have a inborn instinct to oppress women. So I
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  Speaker 2: just want you to just want to lay out that
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  Speaker 2: entire sequence. Housewives having leisure time because the prosperity of
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  Speaker 2: the American economy, leisure time purchased by their husband's work. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: they got bored, they felt resentful. And then there's another
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  Speaker 2: little wrinkle because they were feeling a little guilty because
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  Speaker 2: of the civil rights movement, So they didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: feel guilty anymore. So how do you do that? Well,
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  Speaker 2: we're oppressed too. We're even more oppressed than you are
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  Speaker 2: because we're women, all right, We're sitting here, we're bored.
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  Speaker 2: We have a washing machine, we have a dishwasher, we've
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  Speaker 2: got soaps. We don't know what to do with their time.
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  Speaker 5: We're oppressed.
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  Speaker 2: And then they can struct this entire thing and justified
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  Speaker 2: all of it their conclusion that they were a press
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  Speaker 2: based on their feelings of resentment. That's it. That is
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  Speaker 2: the entirety of their evidence base for the assertion, this
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  Speaker 2: woman's assertion, that men have an instinct to oppress women. Right,
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  Speaker 2: And they trotted into academia to explain, like they literally say,
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  Speaker 2: the feeling comes first, then the theory, then the action.
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  Speaker 2: So they trotted into academia to find a theory to
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  Speaker 2: explain their feelings of resentment as a result of being bored.
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  Speaker 2: And then all of academic feminism came out of that.
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  Speaker 2: And academic feminism is like the exact negative space of
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  Speaker 2: the Red Stalkings manifesto, right, except they abandoned the whole
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  Speaker 2: idea that it was biology that made men oppress women. No,
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  Speaker 2: now it's just socialization. We can't identify it anywhere. It
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  Speaker 2: might be the patriarchy faery that just taps a penis
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  Speaker 2: person on the head when he's like three months old,
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  Speaker 2: and that's it. He's done for who knows. They've never
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  Speaker 2: even bothered to try to define that. But all of
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  Speaker 2: this starts with these women, who are the most privileged
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  Speaker 2: class in human history, being bored and that's it. And
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  Speaker 2: now we have to listen to this acamedition tell us
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  Speaker 2: all about how horrible men are based on women's feelings
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  Speaker 2: of boredom fifty years ago, and again like no evidence.
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  Speaker 2: Because they kept trying to find, like, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: Marxist material dialectic, what does it look for? It looks
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  Speaker 2: for benefit. They kept the feminist trump. Marxist feminists kept
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  Speaker 2: trying to find benefit for men in the relationship between
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  Speaker 2: a man and his housewife, his house concubine, and they
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  Speaker 2: couldn't identify it anywhere. They're like, well, i mean, according
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  Speaker 2: to the material dialectic, she's getting the benefit. But that
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  Speaker 2: can't be the case. We have a feeling of resentment
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  Speaker 2: that we need to we need to justify through a theory,
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  Speaker 2: so we can't. So they kept trying to derive where
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  Speaker 2: the benefit was coming from for men, and then they
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  Speaker 2: just gave up and said it's a secret benefit, and
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  Speaker 2: we know it's there because standpoint theory. I'm like I
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  Speaker 2: the more I read this, the more I'm astounded that
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  Speaker 2: this nest.
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  Speaker 6: Of fallacies and crackpot bullshit became how we define the
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  Speaker 6: relationship between men and women as a society.
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  Speaker 2: I just it's and then here we are. This woman
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  Speaker 2: has a platform to talk about how as a red
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  Speaker 2: fem she doesn't want to talk about men, but nevertheless
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  Speaker 2: she's gonna avail us about her opinion of men, to
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  Speaker 2: which men can't respond. And this is the interesting thing.
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  Speaker 2: All of this is based on women's emotions. Do men's
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  Speaker 2: emotions get a moment?
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  Speaker 5: Like?
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  Speaker 2: How do men feel about being defined as being oppressors?
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  Speaker 2: Either because of biology you're just having innate of Russian gene,
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  Speaker 2: or because of some form of socialization that you do
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  Speaker 2: to each other mysteriously and secretly that we can identify
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  Speaker 2: and you can never actually repent of. You can never
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  Speaker 2: stop guys, you're always guilty always. But that's not biological,
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  Speaker 2: it's not a biological thing. It's just socialization we can't identify. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: all right, yeah we probably should. I'll let you talk too.
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  Speaker 1: Is it not playing now? No?
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  Speaker 2: I can hear it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh I see no, No, it's okay, I see the
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  Speaker 1: issue here, give me a second. I had to alter
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  Speaker 1: the audio settings and I need to correct it. So
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  Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna do. Okay, hold on, all right, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Oh boy.
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  Speaker 3: The previous talks oh very eloquent and ERRORDI I was
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  Speaker 3: reminded of exactly why I had been mother reluctant to
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  Speaker 3: add my voice to this. But anyway, here I am,
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  Speaker 3: so I will say what I've got to say.
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  Speaker 1: So she didn't even want to. She didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about this topic because it's got something to do
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  Speaker 1: with men. Just pointing out that she was reluctant to
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  Speaker 1: even get involved, that's how little she cares about this,
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  Speaker 1: although she probably, let's be honest, she probably got paid
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  Speaker 1: pretty well, because that's the thing with these feminists academics.
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  Speaker 1: They get paid a lot to make appearances and spout
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  Speaker 1: their nonsense, and they get paid pretty well too.
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  Speaker 3: So anyway, obviously, I too have a certain sympathy for
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  Speaker 3: the idea of single sex spaces and for men's single
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  Speaker 3: sex spaces.
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  Speaker 5: I think men have given.
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  Speaker 3: Us a very good role model of how to create
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  Speaker 3: single sex spaces, seeing as they set up religious institutions
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  Speaker 3: educational institutions, universities, whole parliamentary systems totally excluding women.
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  Speaker 1: So create it. Yeah, they totally excluded, isn't Isn't it
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  Speaker 1: the case that, like the parliament right now in England
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  Speaker 1: is the first time in history fifty to fifty representation
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  Speaker 1: because of the new Labor Party. Guy said, I want
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  Speaker 1: representation because Kiir Starmer. Yes, that Kiar Starmer apparently was
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  Speaker 1: too sexist and did not give enough women power to
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  Speaker 1: destroy the country. And so now they've done it so
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  Speaker 1: that it's a balance of power to destroy the country,
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  Speaker 1: like we have men and women doing it together hand
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  Speaker 1: in hand kumbaya. But again it's because men created it anyway,
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  Speaker 1: that's the problem according to her.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, no women's choices. Of course, it's always men
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  Speaker 2: and it's not the case that men take the risks
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  Speaker 2: and make the sacrifices to create something of worse and
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  Speaker 2: then when it's feasible, women are onboarded, which is actually
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  Speaker 2: more accurate to what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So, if, for example, the university system didn't always confer benefit,
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  Speaker 2: it probably doesn't anymore. But it didn't always confer benefit.
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  Speaker 2: It was sort of a new thing. It wasn't necessarily respected.
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  Speaker 2: So men had to make the effort to create the
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  Speaker 2: value proposition of the universities. And they took the risks
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  Speaker 2: to their reputations, to you know, their lives and their careers.
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  Speaker 2: And then they built this institution or this like a
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  Speaker 2: network of institutions. And then when it was more valuable
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  Speaker 2: to be a part of it than it required sacrifice.
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  Speaker 2: So when the cost benefit analysis favored being, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the institution's giving to the people who were part of it,
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  Speaker 2: you got status, you got an increased wage from getting
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  Speaker 2: a degree, then women started to you know, poke their
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  Speaker 2: heads up and say hey, we want in. And then
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  Speaker 2: they got in same thing with the credit them. Men
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  Speaker 2: took the risks, they built it out, and then when
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  Speaker 2: there was more benefit to being involved in it than
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  Speaker 2: there was sacrifice, women popped up and said, hey, why
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  Speaker 2: did you exclude us? Yeah, you were excluded because you
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to take the risks or make the sacrifices.
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  Speaker 2: And this is the this is the irony of what
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  Speaker 2: this woman is saying. These things wouldn't exist without the
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  Speaker 2: very nature that she considers to be inferior to her own.
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  Speaker 2: And she is a supremacist, of course, and she justifies
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  Speaker 2: it because men build things, and while they're building things,
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  Speaker 2: while things are dangerous and uncomfortable and require more sacrifice
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  Speaker 2: than you get out, women aren't involved. Right, So if
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  Speaker 2: men opened up a I don't know, a frontier on Venus,
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  Speaker 2: and in order to build on Venus, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: man died every week, like or you died within a week,
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  Speaker 2: and the only people we would send are people we
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  Speaker 2: find expendable to begin with, So we all send men,
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  Speaker 2: and men managed through a century of sacrifice, you know,
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  Speaker 2: g having their faces melted by acid to build an
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  Speaker 2: environment on Venus that can support human life. And then
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  Speaker 2: suddenly women are gonna say, hey, you excluded us from that.
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  Speaker 2: You you the patriarchy kept us from Venus, from the
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  Speaker 2: surface of Venus. You guys, you guys were unfair and
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  Speaker 2: excluding us. It's like, no, that's not how it works.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not excusing treating men as exposable, disposable. Exposable, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: exposable and disposable. Right, it's not what I'm trying to say.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to say that men take the risks, they
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  Speaker 2: make the sacrifices, they build something that's amenable to human life. Right,
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  Speaker 2: A colony, or to in terms of like an industry
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  Speaker 2: or a or a institution. And then when the sacrifices
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  Speaker 2: are made and the risks are taken, and everything stabilizes
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  Speaker 2: and it becomes more beneficial to take part than sacrificial
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  Speaker 2: women say, oh, you excluded us.
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  Speaker 5: That needs to stop.
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  Speaker 2: That seriously needs to stop. And the funny thing is
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  Speaker 2: that these ratfems, they will allow for biological differences when
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  Speaker 2: they're demonizing men, but she won't allow for the possibility
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  Speaker 2: that men's biological differences are why these things get built
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  Speaker 2: by men in the first place. See, so it's very selective,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: and it's all based on her emotions. She has a
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: feeling of resentment towards men. Therefore men must be oppressing her.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Therefore it must be a biological feature of men that
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: they want to oppress women. But it can't possibly be
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: a biological feature of men that they want to build
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: things for other people's comfort and safety, even though manifestly
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: men are doing more of one than the other. I
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: just want to point that out. It's very convenient what
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: is explained by biology in her philosophy. Okay, let's keep.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Going lynching racers, lynching acers. Sorry, Lynching Acer says, feminism
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: is Marxism with extra parts and emotional breakdowns. For five dollars,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I'll let you go ahead and rant on that if
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you want to, uh.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Well you know me, well I do, okay, feminism is
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Marxism with extra parts. Actually feminism is what's what they
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: did is they tried to use Marxism to derive the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: benefit that men get from earning a wage to support
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: a housewife basically, and they failed. So they broke Marxism
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: down for parts and they appended them to their stereotype
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: of what men are. They essentially took the Marxist approach
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: to our definition of the capitalist and they applied it
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: to men. Even though they couldn't derive the relationship. They
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: couldn't figure out how the relationship between the capitalist and
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: labor applied to men and women. They couldn't actually derive
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: it because they couldn't find the benefit that men get
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: that is equivalent to the capitalist from labor. Right, So
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: they just broke it all down for parts. They said,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: we don't need to wear women. We have women's ways
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: of knowing standpoint theory. So they took marx They removed
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: even the Marxist expectation of any kind of evidence. They're like, yeah,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: we don't need to do that. We don't even need
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: to live up to the Marxist expectation of evidence, guys.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: But we'll keep all the condemnation of the capitalist as
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: an extractor, as somebody who oppresses and destroys the life
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: of labor, and we will apply that to men and
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: men's behavior towards women with no evidence. That is the key, guys.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I want no evidence, not a single shred of freaking
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: evidence for this assertion, except for, of course, women's ways
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: of knowing they feel oppressed, therefore they are. And yeah,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: so's it's not. It's feminism, isn't Marxism with extra steps.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Feminism is just basically taking out the capitalist, slotting in
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: men with even less evidence than Marx had for his theories,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and then becoming a trillion dollar industry with government grants
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: and corporate departments and influence over men's health and policies
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: towards families, so family law and divorce law and child custody,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: and also services for people who experienced domestic violence and
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: sexual assault, pretty and also in developmental banks. Like it's
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a gigantic industry, so it all derived from a bunch
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: of boardhousewives saying that their boredom was oppression, and then
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: a bunch of radical feminists saying, oh, yeah, that's uh,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: that's because men have an instinct to oppress, and then
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: a bunch of Marxist feminists saying, we can't derive that
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: from Marxism. Well, then we'll just use standpoint theory. And
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: it's socialization. How we don't know, did we It's it's
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: it's all men, but it's socialization.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: It is, like I said, it is a cluster cluck
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: of bullshit. Okay, but it's not Marxism with extra steps.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: It's like Marxism hollow out and just with all everything,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: like making it worse, and then just women. And it
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: only applies to women, which is why whenever you say
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: to anybody on the left, he says, oh, I'm a Marxist.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Well what about helping men? We can use some government
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: programs helping men. And the immediately their face squeezes into
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the like they just sucked on a lemon, and they say, men,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: they can just bootstrap themselves. Yeah, they don't deserve anything.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: They're men. They should just be able to do it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Themselves if they if they are weak, they should just
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: go die in a ditch. They immediately they become there
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the the caricature that they have of a conservative. As
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: soon as you say, hey, why don't we help men,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: everybody on the left and every little like, every every
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: so called communist suddenly becomes the most died in the
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: wole conservative bootstrapper, uh stereotype, just putting that out. Okay,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: let's see.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think I think you're shown us in the
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: expertise in that in that department. And I'm not going
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: to necessarily break my heart thinking about further single sex
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: spaces for you, obviously, and you've managed to do that,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: you know, pretty well for yourselves for some centuries now,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: with only a relatively recent you know, historically speaking, only
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: relatively recent access to those spaces for women, for women's
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: voices to be heard in the public domain, women's single
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: sex spaces have been have either been enforced, as we've
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: seen in some cultures, or have where we've chosen to
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: create them, have been as we've seen in the last
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: ten to fifteen years, have been absolutely under siege.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: When I was trying to work.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm pausing there. She said, Okay, women's spaces have
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: been under siege. So I'm guessing that this means by
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: trans yes, trans women, of course, yes, and that's a problem.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: That's why she's speaking out right now, right, Yes, of course.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: That's why she's speaking out. And it's interesting how it's
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: just the last ten to fifteen years. So she admits
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: that women have dismantled men's spaces over well the last
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: fifty years, supposedly because women didn't have their own space,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: but they did, they had domestic spheres, and it wasn't
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: enforced on them because you throughout all of human history
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: you can find women who exited the domestic sphere and
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: did other stuff. Besides that, you can see nuns, you
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: can see doctors in like the twelfth century. Like this
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: has always been a case that women could actually if
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: they had the chops and they and they decided not
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: to subject themselves, not subject themselves, but not do the
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: you know, the childbirth thing and the nursing thing that
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: sort of limits women's movement. And really that's the reason
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: why they were so called restricted to the domestic sphere,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: because it's extremely difficult to go, I don't know, go
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: a crusading when you're nursing a child. It's extremely difficult
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: to sail down around the cape of like the Horn
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: of Africa when you're pregnant. Right, these are difficult things
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: for women to do. Hell, it's really difficult for them
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: to even plow a field while while they have morning sickness.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: So these things limited them what they were physically capable of.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: And it had absolutely nothing to do with the legal capacity.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: That's not going to change anything. And once you get
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: into this idea that it was legal the legal situation
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: that actually enforced things on women, not their biological situation,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: you sort of get into the same realm, which's interesting
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: why she's upset at the trans women. You get into
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: the same realm. Have you ever watched Life of Brian Brian?
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I did see it once.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember the scene where Loretta and then the
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: female radical Judean's people front and they're all discussing policy,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: and Loretta's like, I want to have the right to
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: have babies, and Loretta's a trans woman, right, and then
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: the other dudes like, you don't have a uterus? Where
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: are you going to gest state it in a box?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: And then the woman who's part of the gude in front,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: like the actual biological woman says, well, we can't. We can't.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: She can't she can't gestate because she doesn't have a womb.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: But we can still advocate for her right to gestate,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: her right to give birth even though she doesn't have
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the right the ability to do so. That is exactly
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the same thing that this woman is doing when she
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: says she looks back in history and she says, oh,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: women were u pressed by patriarchy. No, you weren't right
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: any more than Loretta was oppressed because she didn't have
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: the legal right to ges state a fetus. She didn't
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: have a uterus for You were quote unquote oppressed by
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: your biology. Okay, I don't think it's oppressed is really
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: the right word. But you are limited by your biology. Ladies.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: You are not going to be going out and doing
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the kind of strenuous activity that men could do, like
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: sailing long journeys, et cetera, et cetera. That's not going
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: to happen for you. And if you were able to
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: do it, you would have to renunciate becoming what mothers
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: because you couldn't do both because it's just too arduous.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Unless you were Sakaguweah. But that's another question with the
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Lewis and Clark expedition, but that's you have to be
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: pretty tough. But anyway, the point is that it wasn't
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: law that limited women that from these positions. It was
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: their biology. Just like it's not law that limits Loretta
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: from the life of Brian from just stating a fetus.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: It's the fact that she does not have is a
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: he and he does not have a womb. So when
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: this woman starts yapping about trans and realize that she
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: opened the door on thinking that the limitations on women
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: weren't biological, they were actually legal, like they were literally legal,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: rather than legal enshrining biological limitations and thus making men
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: responsible for ameliorating or lessening those biological limitations that women have,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: because that's what you see when you look at the
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: laws and what they're actually doing. They aren't limiting women.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Biology is limiting women. What they're doing is making responsible
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: for making those limited limit limitations less arduous for women.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: So when women can't take the true, the the uh,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: the merchant caravan to the the the east for spices right,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: when they can't do that, then the man is responsible
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: for taking the money that he makes doing that and
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: supporting his female relatives, including his wife. And that's what's
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: in law. That's what the law is about. The law
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: is placing obligations on men as a result of women's
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: physical limitations. The law has nothing to do with the
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: limitations or why there exist. All right, So it's like
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I said, it's just a desert listening to this woman
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: because she's making the same argument as the trans woman Loretta,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: arguing that she should have the right to give birth. No,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: because you can't do these things right. And the only
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: reason you're even having this conversation at this point in
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: time in human history is because men have, through their innovations,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: made a lot of these activities accessible to women for
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: the first time in human history. And it's not just
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: birth control. It's power steering, it's climate control and cars,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: it's plumbing that allows for bathrooms everywhere. So women aren't
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: restricted to staying home because they have nowhere to go
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: to the bathroom. And that wasn't a like, that wasn't
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: the oppression that men did and to our women in
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: the past. We just didn't have the means, the material
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: capacity of the industry to create bathrooms everywhere now we do,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: and that's liberated women. So so called liberation of women
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: is once again has nothing to do with men's intentions,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: legal or otherwise, and has everything to do with men
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: making the effort to minimize those limitations and their effect
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: on the women in their lives and their cultures and communities.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: And then she has the frickin' audacity to blame men.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: And again, this is all based on an emotion. Everything
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: that comes out of her mouth is not sourced. There
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: is no empirical evidence behind it. It's all based on
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: a bunch of women fifty years ago feeling bored and
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: then translating that into resentment and from resentment into oppression.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: And that's it. She's got nothing behind any of this.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, we got those two super chats.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I want to read them really quick. Dylan one oh
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: two double one or ten two thousand and one, whatever
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: gives us five dollars and says I think it's more
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: than board Housewife. I think lot of battered women added
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of hate to the movement. The personal is political, Nah.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: That's give them. And I wanted to address this with
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: a comment. These women are not upset because bad men
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: did things if they were. If that really was the driver,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: then feminists wouldn't be screwing around with batter intervention programs
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: like they are with the Duluth model. And what I
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: mean by that is the Dlute model is either Okay,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: let me explain the Duluth model for those of you
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: who don't know what I'm talking about. The Dluth model
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: is the feminist intimate partner U batterer intervention.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: So it's it's the it's the model for how domestic
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: violence happens. And there they are intervention programs based on it,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: and it basically tells the man that he needs to
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: repent of his his desire to dominate women. Basically, okay,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: that intervention is no better than no intervention in terms
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: of reducing recidivism among male intimate partner betterers. So if
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: you did nothing, you would get exactly the same result.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: In fact, in some cases, you would get a better
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: result than interventions based on the Deluthe model. And what's
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: happening now is there are interventions based on the It's
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: called Act TV, ACTV and it is actualizing your values.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: So what they will do is they'll take a man
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: who is having difficulty controlling his temper in the context
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: of domestic violence, and they will try to give him
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: the skills to bring his behavior in line with his values.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: And incidentally, this works. It works considerably better than the
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Deluthe model, and it works better than no intervention. So
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: what they're doing is they are assuming when he comes
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: into the into the program that he doesn't want to batter,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: that he doesn't want to engage in this kind of
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: violent behavior towards his female partner, and they're trying to
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: give him the skills to prevent that. And it's effective.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: It's far more effective than the Deluthe model telling him
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: to repent of his desire to dominate his female partner,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: because the problem with that is even men who are
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: physically like engage in physical violence with their female partners
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: don't actually have those values. They don't want to be
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: doing this. Men don't want to beat women, Okay, they
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: don't want to be doing it. And the interventions that
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: recognize that and say hey, we're going to figure out
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: how to close that gap and get your behavior concordant
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: with your values, they see results. The feminist ones do not,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: and yet the feminists keep pushing the feminist interventions that
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: provide no value. So they are actually creating a situation
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: where women are more likely to be battered because they
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: prefer to advance feminist conjecture over women's safety. All right,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: at that point, I think it's extending a lot of
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: good faith to say that these women are motivated by
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: concern or the experience of being domestically abused. Sorry, if
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: you're willing to sacrifice women who are experiencing domestic abuse
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: because you prefer to advance your theory, you don't get
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: to claim that as a shield for your behavior and
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: your ideology. I think that's overstated. I think people need
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: to stop saying that these women are motivated by bad husbands,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: bad fathers, be experiencing domestic violence. That's not what's motivating them.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: What's motivating them is that they can do it. These
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: are dark trot tetrad women, dark triad women. They are sociopaths.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: They have interest sexually. They're engaging it. It not just
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: aggression towards men, but intersexual competition with other women. They
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: are not motivated by anything like men experienced domestic violence
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: from women. They haven't constructed this, this entire trillion dollar framework,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: this entire institution about how I don't know women have
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: a biological urge to dominate men. I mean, I think
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: some people might entertain that occasionally, but there's no institution
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: that's shrined it into some kind of policy and orthodoxy. Right,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: So why should women get that excuse? Like men experience
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: sexual violence for women, they haven't constructed stigmatizing freshmen orientations
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: that make women feel like shit about them, or an
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: entire edifice of injustice in which women can't can't respond
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: to any man who accuses them of sexual assault. Right,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Men haven't done that. Men experience everything that women do.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: They experience being beaten, they experience being raped by women,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: and they have not responded in this way. So why
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: is that an excuse for women? Okay, okay, okay, yeah.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, I think you're saying plenty Okay, myself and
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: some some of that feminist is there sound coming out?
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Can you guys hear that? Yeah?
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: I can hear it, I can hear it.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, just checking.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Trying to have a woman only conference in twenty twelve.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone here was around for that.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: It was really.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Before all that the whole sort of head of seam
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: around transgenders has really got going. But we thought it
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: was very important to have our own space at that point,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: and we were absolutely hounded. We were completely besieged by
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: these entitled men again who were called.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Again these women we're supposed to extend sympathy for believe
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: that men oppress women. They have this is the rad feminists,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: the gender critical feminists. They believe that men oppress women, right,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and it's a biological factor of men, and they have
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: put this into institution. They have. This has become enshrined
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: in how we treat men in the mental health field.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: And this individual has the audacity to be upset that
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: the chickens have come home to roost, right. They didn't
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: even allow men to define themselves like literally, she's part
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: of an ideological institution that does not allow men to
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: define who they are and what they value. That's defined
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: for them by this woman's beliefs and stereotypes about men
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: and resentment of men. So men are even allowed to
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: have their own space in their own heads because of
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: women like this. And now she's upset that the trans women,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: you know, Loretta wants to have the right to take
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: part in a woman's convention. Literally, this woman feels like
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: she has the right to define men's own reality for them,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Like when we're not even talking about taking over men's space,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: she's taking over the right to define how men experience
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: the world and what they are as men. She defines
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: that for you, guys, you don't even have space in
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: your own head that she doesn't have a right to.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: And then she's turning around and she's upset over the
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: trans women. Okay, well, I have the smallest violin here
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: and it is playing for you. All right, all.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Right, telling us you know, Nazis, this was all yet
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: you know, well over ten years ago, now, Nazis.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: It was a height rally. It was a heighte face
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: all the rest of it. The venue pulled there.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: It suck if people started calling you Nazi and chasing
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: you down someplace, wouldn't it.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: Gosh?
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope that doesn't happen to to, you know,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: anybody in our in our present time being called a Nazi,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: you know, without like seeing if it actually qualifies. Yeah,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: being a bit a little bit hyperbolic. I wonder if
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: that led. Did you get punched by any chance for
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: being called this thing? Or was it just kind of rude.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Oh pretty much. No one was on our side at
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: that point. So that's the kind of thing that happens.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's I doubt that nobody was on our side.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I highlight doubt it. Yeah. Uh.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Dylan also gave us two dollars and says Aaron Pittsy
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: talked about that. I don't know what the context is,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: but something you were ranting earlier. So okay, it's.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Very interesting what happens when women try to set a boundary,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: when we say no in all kinds of contexts, that's
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: when we tend to reveal, often a huge person wish
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: to ourselves, the actual level of woman hatred that we
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: are living with. And that's certainly what happened there on
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: that toe.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: So wait a second, Wait a second. Yeah, you probably
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: were around for the fifty, like the seventies, right, that
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: wasn't the level like that wasn't where the ultimate woman
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: hatred was that. That was the moment that you guys
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: asserted that men providing for their women was oppression? Was
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: that not the ultimate oppression? I mean, this is what
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: kicked it all off. I don't recall the Red Stocking
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: saying that trans women gate crashing their conferences was the
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: ultimate oppression. Pretty sure they situated that between the relationship
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: between men and women. Are you disavowing that now? That
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: isn't actually the ultimate form of oppression, the sight of
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: female oppression. Isn't heterosexuality? Okay.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: At the time, in the moment, yes, obviously was supposed
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: to be talking about the manisphere. Some of you probably
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: would be aware that Laura Bates has fairly recently written
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: a book about the manisphere called men Who.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Oh Laura Bates, And yeah, she's invoking Laura Bates. Yeah, yeah,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: the woman with a.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Very unsavory interest in middle school boys. If if a
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: man expressed that much strange behavior towards middle school girls,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: no one would give him the benefit of the doubt.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: But we all give Laura Bates the benefit of the doubt.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: M all right, all right, here we go.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: I went on a bit of a nostalgia fare because
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: fifty years ago, Andrew Dworkin wrote this book called Woman Hauting,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: so very very similar title, and you know, different decades different.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Oh she's okay, So now she's invoking Andrea Dwarkin. So
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: she's saying Andrea Dwarkin wrote a book that's very similar
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: to the one Laura Bates wrote more recently, just laying
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: out because you guys miss that. You guys don't know,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: do you guys know who Andrea dwark It is. She's like,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: she's one of the og like rad femmes of the
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: sixties and seventies that basically thought all, you know, all
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: sex is rape. I believe men are like very big
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: anti male stuff. She was anti porn. She was a
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: very like sex negative feminist. By the way, she's also
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: like that the sex negative femineists are always like arguing
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: with the sex positive feminists, and a lot of normies
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: think the sex positive feminists are on their side. Don't
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: do that, that's stupid. There's more to the conversation than that.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: So anyway, she's one of the sex negative Andrea Dorkin,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: you know, political lesbian types. And I guess Laura Bates
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: is also, she's a big fan of her as well.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: So a different format.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: But I think the reality of women hatred of what
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: you know it could you know it can be done denied,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: you know, I guess by my fellow panelists. But I
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: think women, women who've tried to say no are aware
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: of the level of women hatred. So while I agree
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: with Joanna there that it often comes in drag and
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: some of the the violence, the threats, the actual physical violence,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: and also the verbal the nature of the miss genous
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: abuse that we've been on the receiving end from men
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: in dresses as has just been some of the worst
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: abuse I've ever seen.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, so let me let's let's let's give us some context. Again.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: She's part of an ideological inheritance that literally says that
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: men are biologically like instinctively they oppress women. There's no
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: evidence for this. There never has been presented any evidence
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: for this. This became institutional law and policy. It was
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: the only difference between her and the so called non
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: radical feminists is the non radical feminists believe that men
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: also oppress women, and they do, and the and the
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: desire to oppress women as as ubiquitous as a biological urge.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: But something something can Socialization, which has always been actually
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: the only thing that that's done, has made it more
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: useful for them to argue that they should have right
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: to control law and policy, and basically like law and
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: policy and procedures, and you know, freshmen intake so basically
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: have more control over institutions and how institutions conduct themselves.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: But anyway, this is her attitude, that's what she believes
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: about men. And again never empirically proven, none of this
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: is It's just based on an emotion. And she has
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: the audacity to say that that hatred of women is prevalent,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: or even that the men in dresses is what she
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: calls them, are expressing hatred of women. Right, have these
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: men in dresses told you that you don't have the
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: right to identify as a woman, lady, Because basically, that
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: is the end result of your entire ideology when it
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: is targeted at men, the psychology of men in masculinities field,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: that is the end result. And what is the end result.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Men need to renunciate their masculinity, and they need to
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: repent of their sin of being men. And they need
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: to stop identifying with being a man and identifying with
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: their masculinity, or at least identifying with the masculinity that
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: they share with other men. Right, they cannot recognize that
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: they have a category named man that has its own
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: particular epistemology, shall we say, a particular set of behaviors, approaches, orientations, etc.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: That is masculinity, right, you have to repent of that.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: And then she has the audacity, having set all of
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: this emotion that culminates in men being forced or at
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: least ambiently coerced, shall we say, stochastic coercion, into renunciating
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: their masculinity, into destroying their relationships with other men, the
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: spaces where they can express how they relate and how
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: they bond. She has pushed all of that in motion.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: And then when the inevitable happens that those men, some
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: of those men who have been forced or compelled or
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: coerced their entire life to renunciate themselves, finally realize, hey, wait,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: I can get this. I can get this weight off
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: my back, this albatross from around my neck by identifying
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: as a woman. Well, suddenly I no longer have to
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: feel like I am an orc and it doesn't matter
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: if I look like one, because once I enter this
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: category of not a man and openly identifying as not
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: a man, this woman's pressure, this boot that she put
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: on the neck of all men, that the ideology that
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: she signs off on puts on the boot on the
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: neck of all men, is suddenly gone. It's suddenly gone,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: You're free. You no longer have to feel like you're
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: the source of all evil in the world, all oppression,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: all destruction, all hatred, all sexual violence. You suddenly no
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: longer have to be beholden to women like this. You
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: know what, you created, this enemy, You created this monster,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: lady enjoy hm. I feel like this is this is
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: something like what is that word? That k word karma, karma, karma?
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you yeah, sure, yeah,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's karma.
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: It's yeah, yeah, all right, yeah, that informs that.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: But it's not a million miles away from a global
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: online porn industry to which men have free access. It's
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: as I say, it's it's it's global in scale.
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: It's huge.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Wait what is that? Wait? What what? How do we
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: get to porn? Are? What that's got? Like?
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: What?
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let's let's let me just go back. I
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: just want to hear the context again.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, I go back. But it's not an argument as
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: you understand it, you know, with facts and logical progression,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: empirical it is a statement of position, and we are
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: now in the position of stating how awful men are
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: in order to construct a narrative around them. That's it.
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: And porn is one part of that narrative, that one
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: that's one coordinate on the narrative of men being awful.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I have Look, I'm I don't know
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: this for sure. I'm just gonna speculate on this. I
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: think this woman, Julia Long, was completely unprepared or didn't
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: prepare for this talk and was just like, I don't
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: have any material, I didn't do any research. What are
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: you gonna do? Well, I'll just bring this Andrea to
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Warkin book and just rant about women being victims for
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: my whole time, and then I'm sure i'll get out.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: I'll just basically, I'm not gonna talk about the topic
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: per se. I'm gonna attack men, and then i'm gonna
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: end it in a way that gets an applause from
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: the audience and that'll be enough and I'll get paid.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Because she hasn't said anything of substance yet and it's
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: been already like this is more than halfway over. So okay,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: So I want to hear this thing about porn because
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: it kind of came out of nowhere.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Away from a global online porn industry to which men
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: have free access. It's, as I say, it's global in scale,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: it's hugely profitable. And if we're thinking about what's happening
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: with boys in schools, what we are now reaping the
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: consequences of is an online porn industry which has been
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: allowed to just expand and expand. And actually, maybe I'm
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: like in some of the panelists, I spent three months
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: in the school last year and what I observed actually
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: is it really does bear out. It was a secondary school,
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: but it bears out a lot of the things that
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: we've been seeing in Oh Disgusting other imports The Disgusting.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Again, she's part of an ideological tradition that believes that
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: boys are a little monsters who are instinctually primed to
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: oppress women. That's what's your UK parents, that's what you're
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: allowing around your boys. You know. I'm I can't, Yeah,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Laura Bates and this woman, I mean I can't. I can't. Honestly,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: she's she's just gonna be what she is. You can't
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: expect a leopard to change its spots. But the fact
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: that UK parents allow this kind of slime around their
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: boys astounds me. And they haven't rose up in arms.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: They're just allowing it to happen. That's just okay, all right,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: and then they're just baffled. Why there's I don't know
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: how the pornography industry gets into this, Okay, I'm confused.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: I think I think she's just I think she's just
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: saying buzzwords to get cheers. There reminds me of this
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: scene from Family Guy. I want to show it to
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: you really quick. What do you plan to do about
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: crime in our city?
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: All because that's what Jesus wants?
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: Nine eleven was bad?
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: I agree with that.
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: What are your plans for cleaning up our environment? Nine eleven?
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: So I think that's it. That's as prepared as she is.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: She just like she just says, oh, let me see
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: men wearing dresses, women's oppression, men force themselves in our spaces,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: porn exists, Andrea Dwarkin, Lara Bates, what else? That's all?
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: It is, like, there's no there's no substance to this.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: There's no substance to this anyway.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Familiarity, the nature of the the kind of abuse, the jokes.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: You know, it's not always like direct abuse, but the
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: kind of like the jokes and the you know, these
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: kinds of things that are being that that are circulating
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: in schools absolutely reflects what I find are quite terribly
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: terrifying familiarity with the most kind of grotesque and misogynists
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: online pornography. So I think when we're looking at you know,
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: we can look at the manosphere and talk about that.
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: And according to.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Middle school boys Okay.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, again where I thought this was about trans women,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: they're not talking about Just why are you Andrew taking.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: In what context is this woman listening to middle school
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: girl boys? Sorry, boys talk about sexuality, not creepy as fuck? Yeah,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: all right, Like, these are young people trying to figure
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: themselves out. Why are you vulturing over them your poof Like,
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: why why do you have such an interest in that?
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: And why is it that nobody in the UK ever,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: just stops and says, why are these these decrepit middle
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: aged women vulturing over our boys?
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Witches?
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Right? Why are they doing Why do we let us
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: let them do that? And why do we justify all
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: the the bullshit that comes out of their mouths? Yeah,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: when young people are expressing themselves sexually, it's dumb, But
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: that's because they're young, right, they're trying to figure out
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: who they are and where they stand, okay, and they're
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: not getting very good information from the authorities in their lives.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: What do they get from the authorities in their lives?
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: These young men that their sexuality is toxic? Well, you know,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: what are you going to do with that? Yeah, don't
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: approach women. Well, they're still going to have sexual urges.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Where do they Where do they go with that?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: And go to women? They can't go to prostitutes. They
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: just gotta deal with it. You just gotta just had
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: to explode from like lack of you know usage, that's I.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Mean, they can't. They can't even they can't even take
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: care of it themselves, because that's uh, I don't know,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: it's uh.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Something to like get it going though, They got to
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: look at women, and they can't do that because that's
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: the male gaze. The male gaze is bad. So no,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: they can't do that either.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: They can't even they can't even you know, become a woman.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Like this woman is just so hateful
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: and it's like she the hate that she's been spewing
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: into the world is now coming back to her. And
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: you know what, I could argue this. I could say
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: this is how she's wrong, but this is an object
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: lesson and how she's wrong right, the trans women are
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: giving her an object lesson in karma and how she
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: is full of shit. And all I can say is
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: you go, sisters. I'm sorry. I'm probably offending a lot
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: of draggons, but I just I can't care anymore. I this,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: this battle needs to happen. What battle, Just the battle
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: between the trans women and these women this woman.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Uh oh, like a death battle, because I already know
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: who's gonna win. I already know who's gonna win that one,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: trans women. I'm putting all my money on the trans women. Yeah,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: they're just better. I can't believe that they're side.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't even believe that there are conservatives or trends,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: radit or traditionalists who are partnering with women like this.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know that they're I mean, look, I think
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: the only thing that they share in common is that
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: they think that men are men and women are women.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: That doesn't necessarily follow that they believe all the other
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: stuff too, And they so I don't know. I just look,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: you don't like track cons I get it, but I
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: feel like they just get we just put too much
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: attention on that when it goes back to what I've
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: been saying before, Okay, the worst thing that track cons
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: are guilty of is being blue pilled. That's it. That's
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: the worst offense. They're not trying to kill anybody, they're
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: not trying to castraight people. They're just blue pilled on
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: men and women that is. And I'm sorry, like I
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: see a lot of this shit coming out of the
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: chat and it really bothers me because because there is
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: like you just are not as superior to these people
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: as you think you are. And you don't even get
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: specific on who you're referring to when you say trad cons,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Like which ones? What are you talking about? Like are
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: you talking about the Daily Wire people? Guess what, They're
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: not the fucking representatives of all traditional people everywhere. They're
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: just a few guys on the Internet that a lot
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: of people don't like, even people on the right. So, like,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know where this is going. Like to me,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: people like this are the enemy, people who actually hate
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: men and want them like taken down, destroyed, castrated, you know,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: trooned out, And yes they will attack them after that,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: But they are also the ones that drive that. I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: think the only thing that trad cons are guilty of
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: is again being bluepilled and understanding that men are men
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: and women are women. They're probably just as opposed to
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: trans men as they are trans women. They just think
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: that trans women because they're more prominent, they get more attention,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: there's more on them, and there were more of them.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: I think the transmen are catching up now and they're
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: looking at it as a like a social problem. And
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: I understand that, and I'm sympathetic to that. But like,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: just like saying that they're the same or they're on
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: these people's side, I don't think so. I don't. I
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: think that they agree on this topic and that's pretty
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: much it. So that's not to me. That's not the same.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: And I'm not one to be like, how am I
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: different from all of the normies out here? Let me
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: figure out a way to like separate myself by, you know,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: saying these are my beliefs. Hot, I'm better than the
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: left because blah blah blah. I'm better than the right
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: because blah blah blah. Too bad, nobody's like me. I
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: guess I'm all by myself on top of this mountain
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: of awesomeness. It bothers me when people do that. I like,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: can we just like say here's where I agree and
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: here's where I disagree, and then leave it at that,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: like I'm just I'm sorry, But like, if we're gonna win,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: we need allies. If we're gonna get allies, then we
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: have to be able to say, you know, so here's
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: where we agree, and here's where we can work on
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: some stuff. So I don't think. I don't think they're
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: on the same side. That's all.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: The same side. I'm not saying they're on the same side.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: But please do not ally with women like this.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Oh I would. I wouldn't, although again I would agree
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: that men cannot become women, but I would have a
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: very that would be the about the extent of my agreement.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Beyond that, I think I would disagree on basically everything else,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: including whatever her prescriptions are for that issue, which I'm
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: sure are just going to be absolutely disastrous for everybody,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: especially men. So I wouldn't agree with any of those
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: other things.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's listen to some more.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: All right, let's listen to some more.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: Is extremely disturbing.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think we've necessarily gone into that, but we
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: don't even have to look that far. We have we
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: look at the content of online pornography. There was a
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: report recently from the Office of the Children's Commission Children's Commissioner,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: and you know, they are extremely concerned at the effect
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: that this normalization has had.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: You know, back in what normalization? What is she talking about,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Alison I missed, Like, where is this going?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Normalization of torn?
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but what does that happen to do with being trands?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, Okay, if she were going to,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: let's say, because I think you could, if you did
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: the work and the research and you had like the data,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: you could potentially make an argument that excessive porn consumption
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: could lead to someone transitioning, like they that I can
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: see that, and I know that there is some data
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: out there that talks about this correlation. I don't know
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: how good it is. I'm not claiming to say that
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: it is or not. That's the only place where this
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: could fit. But she hasn't made this argument. She hasn't
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: said any of that. She's just she's just like men
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: in dresses porn. We're gonna talk about porn now because
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: I I want to talk about Like, it's like she
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: wants she has something that she wanted to talk about,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: and she's just trying to bring this over to that
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: instead of like addressing what this is actually supposed to
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: be about, you know what I mean. So that's what.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Ye, she's just moving, moving the pieces around on the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: board and hoping to get some kind of check.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: I guess.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: She's probably just gonna kick him over. Let's see if
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: she kicks the over the pieces. All right, let's see
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: actually before we did that. Wait, wait, wait, let's let's
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: let's do the the superchow that.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Uh did we get one?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: No, we didn't get one. Guys, where are your super
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: chow's Feed the Badger dot com slash just the tip.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: Get them in. You must have an opinion about this,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: my duds. You must. Yeah, so get those opinions in.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Feed the Badger Calm slash just the tip.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: I also want to say that I've seen that there
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: is some it's possible, and again I don't know for sure.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: It's possible that some young boys or younger men like teenagers,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: that spend a lot of time on Reddit and maybe
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: they're gay, or they're questioning or something and they couldn't
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: be pipelined in Reddit because this was what Reddit does
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: into transing themselves. So I know I've seen that happen.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I'm not saying that it's
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: an epidemic or anything like that, but I think there
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: are places where young people who are impressionable can be
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: railroaded into doing stuff like this. I know that this
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: is like especially happening with young girls, but I've seen
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: some examples of it happening with men on Reddit. So
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: all right, so super chow from Richard Pierre from yesterday.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: You want me to read that one?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, get that done?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Okay. He gave us five dollars and said, okay, Lauren,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: there was a seven thirty seven that was lost track
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: for thirteen years while parked at an airport. Do you
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: know how many different people responsible for paperwork it takes
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: to lose track of a seven thirty seven at an airport.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: This isn't the ten milimeter rocket or socket that goes
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: missing as often as socks disappear in the dryer. This
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: was a park seven thirty eight, So I guess the
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: plane has changed that sat in one spot for thirteen
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: years that nobody knew who to build parking fees to
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: and the owner not realizing they still owned it. And yes,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: it's sat in one spot for thirteen years. These same
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: people also try to sell and administer health insurance. Okay,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: thank you for that. Sorry, I don't have the context,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: but I just thought i'd read it because I don't
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: know that Hannah will get to it. So all right,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: so what now? Should we go back to it or what.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just go back to it.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: They are extremely concerned at the effect that this normalization
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: has had, you know, back in the whenever it would
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: have been like the nineteen eighties on nineties, if there'd
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: been some you know, horrible old creep in a dirty
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: mac with porn videos standing outside the school gates trying
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: to give these videos to children, he would have been arrested.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: But in fact, we've allowed that to happen through.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Wow, just a horrible old creep vaulturing around middle school boys. Jeez,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: I thought you were briefly describing yourself, lady, but I
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: guess you've just invented someone to project that onto.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: All right, let's see, okay, that has happened at scale.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: I just want to finish by saying also in terms
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: of in terms of the reality of male violence against women.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: After I did that in the school I was working
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: on the Marrack.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Wait, she didn't actually make any arguments about male violence
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: against women. She just said, Laura Bates wrote a book,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: and Andrea Tworkin wrote a book, and they have similar titles.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: She didn't demonstrate anything. She's like, now that I've effectively
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: dazzled you with my words, allow me to close out
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: nine to eleven.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: I want to tell you the whole thing is bullshit,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: all the way down, everything that comes out of your mouth.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: And there's no argument, there's no logic, and there's no evidence.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: I have looked for it. It never existed. Feminism was
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: never justified or legitimate. If you're looking for like an
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: actual objective truth, don't look here. It has none. There
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: is no foundation, no actual objective, empirical foundation. They just
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: had a feeling. Then they went groping for a conjecture
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: or a hypothesis or a theory to justify that feeling
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: or to explain that feeling. And that's where it all
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: came from. That's it, guys, That is it it? Yeah,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Like literally, this is a shower thought, this entire movement
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: was a shower thought. And then a whole bunch of
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: women just got up their own asses with the shower,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: sharing this shower thought. And now here we are on
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: the tail end of this millions of consequences.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Trillions of dollars later.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this fantastasized.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: Billions later, this metastasized.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Shower thought has this is what we're dealing with.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Yep, okay.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: I spent a year on that marriag the multi Agency
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: Risk Assessment conferences. Those maracks are where the different agencies
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: like police and health and support agencies all come together
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: when when somebody has been found to be at risk,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: not just at risk of domestic violence, but at risk
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: of hospitalization or death through domestic violence. And I would say,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: well over ninety percent, well of a ninety percent of
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: those were male perpetrators and female victims.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: So I think we do need to take a bit.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: Of a reality check look at what's happening, you know,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: within the culture.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: So she was some of these merrit statistics that showed
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: over ninety percent of victims of domestic violence were women hospitalized, well,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: including hospitalized that she said, including hospitals.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, that's just bullshit.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: And there's also it's also risk assessment too, like so
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: I guess there's like women that are in danger or
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: claim to be in danger of being beaten also counts,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: so that could be like the majority of the number.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Do you want to look that up?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: No, I don't need to. It's the UK statistics. They're
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: completely cooked. They're feminist statistics.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: Oh but if you.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Did you actually look at this the stats unilateral domestic
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: violence that is one party hitting the other and the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: other party does nothing. Seventy percent of that is female
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: on male. Okay, thirty percent is male on female, and
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: then the rest is mutual violence, and that's about fifty
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: percent of all domestic violence. And it's the mutual violence
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: that actually ends up with the highest degree of injury
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: of women because the women escalate. And also with mutual violence,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: it's usually the woman throwing the first punch. And feminists
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: will make a whole song and dance. But again this
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: is just the same kind of Oh I have a feeling,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: it's not actually based on any kind of facts or
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: logic or sound argument. They will make the argument that
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: men are somehow responsible for the violence being done to
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: them because they instigate it somehow, So even though feminists
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: will call out anyone saying that what did you do
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: to make him hit you, their entire movement has enshrined
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: into law and policy, what did you do to make
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: her hit you? How's that for a double standard. But anyway,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: the vast majority or the significant majority of one sided
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: domestic violence is female perpetrated on men. Now of the
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: situation is that women are more likely to be injured,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: and potentially they're more likely to die of their injuries.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Why is that? It is because men are bigger and stronger,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: and when you have an escalating mutual violence situation, things
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: get out of control. Okay, what is the solution to that?
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: Nobody hits anybody, and once the hitting starts, you should
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: probably go and learn some skills for de escalation. That's
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: actually mury Strass's murray Strass's advice is that couples in
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: which there there is violence should probably learn skills to
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: manage their anger and their and improve their coping. Okay,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: that that is the answer. But if you heard it
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: from her, and again, this is like you were saying, Brian,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: there's no there's no logic, there's no reason, there isn't.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Now she's signaling she signaled the porn coordinate. Now she's
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: signaling the domestic violence coordinate. I would not be shocked
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: if she signaled the inceul coordinate. At some point, what
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: is she Is she constructing an argument? No, she is
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: constructing a position. That's it. Not a position as in
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: like an argument, a position in an argument, just the physician.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: She's just signaling membership. And then she's from there. She
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: is signaling men's lack of membership in the human race.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: It's all she's doing. She's just like, Okay, wow, they're
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: trans women. Oh, but men look at porn and and
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: also men engage in domestic violence against women. Therefore trans
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: women are bad.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Oh she also links all these things, so like porn
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: leads to domestic violence, right, I don't know.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Was there a link? Well, I mean there was, is it? Okay?
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: I think that if you well, she doesn't explicitly say it,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: but I think that if you see the way that
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: she paints the picture, she's basically it's it's like allowing
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: herself enough plausible deniability so that if you say all
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: these things are linked and she can't make the case
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: for it, she'll just say I didn't say that. But
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: she doesn't have to because the people in our audience
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: that hear this, or mostly women, remind let's remind you,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: and the men who simp for them, they're going to say, oh, yeah,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: porn like she they hear, you know, trans women, women
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: in dresses, pornography, domestic violence, rape, you know, like whatever.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Domestic violence is basically rape because it's like the same thing.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: Andrea Dwarkin basically believes that all relationships between men and
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: women are you know, power defined by power differentials, and
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: men have the power, and sex with a man is
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: always rape. And and yeah, even if you cornered somebody
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: like Andrea Dwarkin at the time, she would have probably
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: if it looked like it was gonna make her feel
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: like lose an argument, she would say, I didn't say that.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: But then it doesn't matter. She doesn't have to explicitly
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: say anything. She can just basically just correlate a bunch
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: of stuff and then leave it there and let people
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: figure it out for themselves and not actually say anything.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: And this is how they get away with this stuff.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: So Islam is lies, says, is this a mis injury
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: stream No, quite The opposite, but go ahead. It's a
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: misogyny stream.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: Actually, hmm, it's your odd get you need to improve
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: your ability to identify your ISM's friend.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Maybe he just got here. Yeah,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: I just saw we are looking at this lesbian separatist
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: on on YouTube. So all right, are you ready for more?
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: It's almost over, so let's just finish it. This might
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: there might not be anything left, but I'll go back
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: a little bit.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, look at what's happening, you know, within the culture.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: And I think this kind of rhetoic around victim ideology.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: I just think that really is another silencing technique that
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: is used against women who want to who want to
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: actually discuss the realities of male violence.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Thank you, so, I mean it gets an applause. Didn't
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: say anything of substance. I think this guy, the bald guy,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: I think he tuned out. It's like, what is it?
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: His eyes glazed over?
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is nothing. They're not going to start saying
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: anything of substance now, not fifty sixty years in and again,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: like none of this has any grounding whatsoever. I can't
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: repeat this enough. None of this has any grounding. None
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: of it. It is all just a someone's drunken ramblings
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: on a napkin.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: That's what we're living in, Guys, we're living in somebody.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: Some woman had a dream once and woke up and
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: she got really upset at her husband. That's as grounded
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: as any of this is. It's how did this happen?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: How did this woman happen? God damn? All right, it's
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: been a sort of a quiet day.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, we got like sixty people watching, yeah, and
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: then on rumble we have a few more. It's almost seventy.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's Friday. I guess. Yeah, well his
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: lies just got here, so he's just say, hey, I
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: just got here. I don't know anything about this. I'll
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: stick around. Yeah, we're almost I think we're done or
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: almost done, because we just finished this video. But yeah,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: welcome to the stream is lies. So all right? All right, anyway,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: so this is big shower thoughts. I assume you put
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: this through the machine.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't. Oh, was there really anything, like you know,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: was there was there anything that was in any way
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: something that you could respond to in this?
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I look, I listened to it,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: but I got a flapping. She didn't say anything, really,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: she doesn't see she didn't say anything. Then that's why
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: you use a superchow instead. It won't get censored. Yeah,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: super chest super chows. He's saying, Oh, super chet doesn't
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: let a lot of words and phrases through. Yeah, don't
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: use it.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go to feed the badger dot com sush just
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: the tip. That's why we we we tell you to
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: It's a link of the description.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go there. I don't know. Okay, So this is uh, yeah,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: this is basically they still are doing the same thing
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: they did fifty years ago. They have no evidence, they
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: have no actual empirical data that isn't cooked.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Oh of course not No, why would you?
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: And now she's complaining about the outcome of her own
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: belief system. You know what, Literally, radical feminists said that
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: men have a biological instinct to oppress women. The non
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  Speaker 2: radical feminists took that kept the universality of a biological
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  Speaker 2: observation slapped on some socialization. No, it's men. They're socialized
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  Speaker 2: to do it in order to be able to get
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  Speaker 2: access to institutional policy law, et cetera, et cetera. Because
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  Speaker 2: it's harder to say something like, you know, half the
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  Speaker 2: human race is just biologically inferior. That doesn't go over well.
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  Speaker 2: But if you say that half the human race is
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  Speaker 2: socially inferior, it just so happens that it's one to
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  Speaker 2: one with their biology, so that every man is that way.
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  Speaker 2: We can't tell you how, you know. And then you
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  Speaker 2: go forward with this that masculinity is socialized and it's
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  Speaker 2: it's evil, and that men need to ren nunciate their
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  Speaker 2: masculinity and to be good people. And then some dudes
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  Speaker 2: eventually realize, oh, well, I never seem to be able
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  Speaker 2: to renunciate my masculinity enough. I never seemed to be
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  Speaker 2: able to repent of being a man enough. Why don't
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  Speaker 2: I get this albatross off my neck? But by identifying
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  Speaker 2: as a woman m HM, or or or a newter,
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  Speaker 2: and for the first time in my life, I don't
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  Speaker 2: have to renunciate myself. I wonder where that came from.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder where that pressure came from. Good question, hey, lady,
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  Speaker 2: I wonder. And of course the rat films don't like it,
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  Speaker 2: because even though the I don't even know what to
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  Speaker 2: call them, like regular feminists, feminists, Yeah, I'll just call
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  Speaker 2: them feminists. The regular feminists. Uh, even though they have
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  Speaker 2: they use this term that men want to oppress women,
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  Speaker 2: and they want it to have the power like the
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  Speaker 2: power of a biological phenomenon, so one to one with
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  Speaker 2: every man, they don't have to explain the socialization of
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  Speaker 2: how that happens. See, the thing is that if you're
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  Speaker 2: going to get the power of a biological phenomenon, so
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  Speaker 2: the power is all men. Remember that they love to
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  Speaker 2: say they all love to call out not all men,
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  Speaker 2: and they love to say it's all men. Right, Well,
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  Speaker 2: that is a biological that's biological explanatory power, right, And
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: you cannot if you're going to propose a social explanation
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  Speaker 2: or social phenomenon with that level of explanatory power, you
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  Speaker 2: need a mechanism and they don't have one. So they
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  Speaker 2: are effectively doing the same things that radfem's do, except
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  Speaker 2: they say that it's socialized, and then some men are
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  Speaker 2: taking them at their word of socialized. Then I can unsocialize.
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  Speaker 2: If masculinity is source of all evil and I renunciate
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  Speaker 2: it and I become a woman, then I am no
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  Speaker 2: longer part of that group. This is just like I said,
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  Speaker 2: this all derives from a freakin shower thought, someone's stupid
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  Speaker 2: shower thought, Hey, I'm bored. Wow, my husband seems content
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  Speaker 2: in his job. I feel resentment towards that he is
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: making me dependent on him. That suppression. That's it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's the entire argument, guys, and the entire evidence for
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: the entire argument. And from that, men have been laboring
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: under this blood libel, that they are somehow morally inferior
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  Speaker 2: to women, that they are somehow responsible for the greatest
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: possible evil in the world. And it all came from that.
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  Speaker 2: And of course this woman's lecture is incoherent, because the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing is incoherent. What it really is, what really
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  Speaker 2: boggles is how this became the central organizing force for
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: the relationship between men and women for our freaking society.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: How did this become it? Some woman's resentful shower thought,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: Some woman wakes up from a nap in which her
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: husband was cheating on her. But suddenly feminism suddenly an
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: institutional theory about how men and women relate, and it's
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: everywhere informing international development banks policy. How did that happen?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 2: Is anybody else just sitting there?
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 2: What way that escalated? Jesus?
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  Speaker 6: How did this how.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna stop boggling because it's probably getting annoying. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: if you would like to send us a message anytime
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: after the show's over, do you want to like just
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: call it, call it a day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine. It's a bit quiet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so if you want to send it. It's
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  Speaker 2: certainly surprising that nobody sends any messages. That's unusual for you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just got one great Indoors just sent through
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  Speaker 1: something for five and says, could you do the video
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  Speaker 1: with the lady in the purple blouse too? It's just
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  Speaker 1: over a minute long taken from the same roundtable discussion.
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  Speaker 1: Was that like something that popped up at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the video.
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  Speaker 3: On the and I would say, well, of annoying, I'm
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  Speaker 3: well of a ninety percent of those works.
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  Speaker 2: Let's find the Do you have a link to the rea?
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  Speaker 1: No, he's just gonna set it in and make us
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  Speaker 1: look for it.
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  Speaker 7: Here it is, okay, one statement?
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  Speaker 1: All right, here we go, let's listen to this.
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  Speaker 2: Does this explain anything?
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  Speaker 1: I doubt it. I think it's just another dumb position.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just play. I'm gonna play the whole thing. It's
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  Speaker 1: a minute. Okay.
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  Speaker 7: On statement, they were asked whether or not they agree with,
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  Speaker 7: is it is wrong for women to have lots of
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  Speaker 7: sexual partners but not men? Three percent of boys age
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  Speaker 7: thirteen to seventeen agreed with that statement, just three to three.
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  Speaker 7: This was lower than for any other age group.
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  Speaker 1: Three percent, it is wrong. Let me what's the what's
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  Speaker 1: the question again? Let me see.
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  Speaker 7: You're asked whether or not they agree with, is it
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  Speaker 7: is wrong for women to have lots of sexual partners
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  Speaker 7: but not men? Three percent of boys age thirteen to
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  Speaker 7: seventeen agreed with that state.
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  Speaker 1: Three percent it is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Basically a very small minority of boys agreed with that statement.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, meant just three percent.
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  Speaker 7: This was lower than for any other age group and
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  Speaker 7: exactly the same as for boomers.
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  Speaker 5: One question they were asked was, if a.
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  Speaker 7: Man goes on a date and pays, it's fair for
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  Speaker 7: him to expect sex. Again, just three percent of teenage
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  Speaker 7: boys agreed with that statement, lower than for any other
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 7: age group. Another question heterosexual women only want to date
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  Speaker 7: the most attractive men. Eighteen percent of teenage boys agreed
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  Speaker 7: with that statement.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I pop those numbers up boys, Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Thirty three percent of millennials did and twenty two percent
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  Speaker 7: of Gen xers did so. If there is misogyny, if
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  Speaker 7: young boys are being radicalized online, it's certainly not showing
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  Speaker 7: up in their attitudes towards women. So I I think
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  Speaker 7: the kids are roll right.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, I thought this was dumb. I mean, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: it's fine. I guess, yeah, pretty benign to be honest. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she's basically saying that, like like was just in the
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: same roundtable discussion that she get like raked over the
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  Speaker 1: coals for daring to think that they're that boys are okay,
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  Speaker 1: uh okay, okay, I read, I played it. I don't
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  Speaker 1: really have anything to say.
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  Speaker 2: And also, what's wrong with with boys and men recognizing reality?
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  Speaker 2: Because you can see it in the General Social Survey.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure that the UK isn't that much different than
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  Speaker 2: the US, and it's not necessarily most attractive. It's money
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: and it's gotten worse. And I can show you the
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  Speaker 2: evidence that men that women, as they gain access to
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  Speaker 2: the workplace, expect a higher income from the men they're
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: willing to partner with. This is black and white evidence
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: from the General Social Survey, like the the increase in
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: the number of men who are unmarried in the lowest
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: income quartal has gone from like ninety four percent of
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: them were married like one hundred years ago to something
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  Speaker 2: like fifty forty fifty are married now. So the average
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: amount of income a woman expects in order to marry
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: a man has increased year by year by year by
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: year by year over the last century. And that is
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: justted for inflation. So I don't see how you could
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  Speaker 2: call it misogyny for boys and men to recognize reality.
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  Speaker 2: But you're right, Brian, that was not It was innocuous,
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  Speaker 2: and it's a good point, right, And it's the very
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: least somebody's making that point, even though I would say
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: the metric is ridiculous. Right, how about we ask these
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: young women if boys and men are always consenting to sex.
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  Speaker 2: I think we'd get some real eye popping numbers of
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: a young women who think that having a penis is
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: consent to whatever they want to do to that man
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: or boy like that. That's shit, that's all they do.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: As you got a penis, you're consenting to everything, doesn't
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  Speaker 2: matter what horrible thing right you passed out drunk, Well,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: she'll just shove a she'll shove a popsicle stick up
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  Speaker 2: your etha have her way with you. You'll spend the
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: rest of your life peeing glass shards. But that's okay.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: You consented to it. You're a man that has actually happened.
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  Speaker 2: It was one of the most horrific rape stories I've
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: ever heard, totally, and so essentially the female rapist he
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: was passed out drunk, he did not achieve an erection,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: so she subbed I believe, like a wooden stir stick
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: or something up his penis so that she could mount him,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: and in the process it broke inside him. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: and then he was never able to pee without agony again.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: And it's funny because that's not the only time I've
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: heard that. So apparently there are women out there who
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: are sharing tips how to rape unconscious men. Okay, let's
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  Speaker 2: ask these questions of women and young women. Let's find
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: this out, Like, let's ask some equivalent questions of young women.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: See where they lie in the rapey spectrum. Judging from
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: the millennial shift, there's some serious skeleton there in that
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: closet that we haven't opened. But anyway, with that, sorry, guys,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: that's probably the most horrible thing to end with but
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: if you would like to send a message, if you'd
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: like to berate me for giving you horrible images. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the thing is that people have this idea that women
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: raping men is some kind of non starter or like
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: it's like it's something that's just you know, it's not
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: a big deal. Yeah, it's it's a big deal. There's
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of serious consequences to it. Plus, you know,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: rapists are not nice people. They do shit like that,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: and it's probably not a good idea to allow young
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: women to do shit like that to men, among other things.
• 1:35:55
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  Speaker 2: simply asserting things that they've never proven, like men have
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