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Mike Francesa on Sports Gambling, Belmont, and the PGA TOUR · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast from the Action Network.
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Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman and today a pioneer in the
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Speaker 1: one of the first people who knew how to talk
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Speaker 1: gambling to be a regular on our national pregame show,
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Speaker 1: Mr Mike Francesa. Plus later in the show, the owner
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Speaker 1: of last year's Kentucky Derby winner, the family that famously
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Speaker 1: begins today. Check it out on our Twitter handle at
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Speaker 1: Action Network HQ. But first, Mike Francis, h Mike, you
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Speaker 1: are a famous horse player. I want to get to
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Speaker 1: Belmont this weekend because I know you know the ponies.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about golf because golf is back. Uh. However,
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Speaker 1: before that, despite the world shutdown, there are dozens of
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Speaker 1: topics that need your attentions. I got Uncut Gems, which
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Speaker 1: I loved, but before we get to that, I need
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Speaker 1: to get your take on baseball their reports right now
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Speaker 1: it is Wednesday afternoon, that it may be coming back,
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Speaker 1: But the bigger question is still gonna be why can't
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Speaker 1: this league get anything right? What is your take on
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Speaker 1: all this so far? Because there is great animosity and
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Speaker 1: great contempts between the two parties. They're both very powerful entities.
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Speaker 1: They both are worried about the long term. They're staring
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Speaker 1: down the barrel at an enormous collective boggaining negotiation, and
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Speaker 1: they don't want to do anything that will unpack that.
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Speaker 1: And that is more important to both sides than anything
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Speaker 1: that is happening right now is that they get the
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Speaker 1: right deal for the next future generation. Uh, And they
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Speaker 1: don't want to do anything that impacts that. They don't
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Speaker 1: want to go wind up in the courts. They want
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Speaker 1: to make the right step for that reason. And you know,
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Speaker 1: the players have always killed the owners and in the courts,
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Speaker 1: that's where they've had all their victories. They've never won
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Speaker 1: them anywhere else. They've always won them in the court.
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Speaker 1: They were famous for that. I mean, so do my
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Speaker 1: you did more for them than probably anybody else. But
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Speaker 1: they really distrust each other. And really it's the same thing.
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Speaker 1: Players get paid. Well, it's a very strong union, but
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Speaker 1: the players have always felt that the owners make more
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Speaker 1: money than they admit to, which they do. They have
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Speaker 1: never opened their books. But everyone gets a peak because
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Speaker 1: of the Atlanta Braves being a public part of a
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Speaker 1: public corporation. Uh. You saw what the Braves made the
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Speaker 1: last couple of years. It was an extreme amount of money.
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Speaker 1: You know, these guys do tricky things like they say
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Speaker 1: they don't make any money in a year, but they
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Speaker 1: also float large loans to themselves, pay them off with
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Speaker 1: dead service, take that money for their own personal use,
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Speaker 1: and then say they don't make any money. Stuff like that,
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Speaker 1: while they appreciate dramatically, Uh, take the guy. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there are guys who have board franchises, putting not a
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Speaker 1: dollar into the franchise over a period of years, and
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Speaker 1: then sold the franchise making basically, you know, four or
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Speaker 1: five times their money. So it's happened plenty of times,
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Speaker 1: and there's and there's just great distrust. I do think
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Speaker 1: they'll play because I think there's pressure on them to play,
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Speaker 1: plus a baseball can make them play. The question is
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Speaker 1: does that hand the the owners if they implement a system,
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Speaker 1: do they hand the players a easy winning court, which
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Speaker 1: they might, because it looks like the owner the owners
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Speaker 1: made a misstep in their negotiation that led to the
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Speaker 1: April May thing and then what they promised the players.
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Speaker 1: It looks like they did make a mistake there looks
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Speaker 1: like they would lose a grievance. They don't want to
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Speaker 1: lose that grievance. But I think they will implement some
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Speaker 1: kind of system. When and push comes to shove, I
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Speaker 1: think there will be baseball. But if you're sitting in
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Speaker 1: a room with Rob Manfred in April or May, the
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Speaker 1: world is shut down, and baseball is a sport that
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Speaker 1: can be played with with a safe amount of social distancing,
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Speaker 1: they can own it before the NBA can make a decision,
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Speaker 1: before the UFC can make a decision, before the PGA
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Speaker 1: Tour can make a decision. Baseball can come in and
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Speaker 1: own this thing and win the good will of the fans.
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Speaker 1: If you're sitting in a room with Rob Manfred, what
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Speaker 1: are you telling him to do? And what didn't he do? What?
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Speaker 1: What were all the things he did wrong. I don't
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Speaker 1: know that that was possible because, Uh, there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of things that can into this. It wasn't safe to travel.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't safe, and baseball needs to travel. Baseball needs
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Speaker 1: to be in every city. Uh the cities that it's in,
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Speaker 1: some of them weren't safe at the time, especially New York.
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Speaker 1: Uh So I don't think it was as easy as
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Speaker 1: just snap your things and you had the ability to
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Speaker 1: get everything done. There's still a lot of issues these
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Speaker 1: sports are seeing that. There are a lot of issues
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Speaker 1: past economics when they try to come back. What happens
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Speaker 1: when three or four guys on the same team come
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Speaker 1: down with the virus, which will probably happen at some
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Speaker 1: point during one of these playing years. What happens when
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Speaker 1: you're in the one of these playoffs and one of
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Speaker 1: the real top players comes down with the virus and
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Speaker 1: impacts the entire playoff series. Uh Lebron James or a
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Speaker 1: freak or somebody like that in basketball, or a you know,
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Speaker 1: major picture in a coal in baseball. Um, So that
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Speaker 1: stuff is very possible. There are a lot of unknowns
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Speaker 1: into this year. But what they've done so poorly is
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Speaker 1: it a time when and they have a special place
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Speaker 1: that no other sport has. They it's something they earned
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Speaker 1: a long time ago. Uh, it's something they have tried
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Speaker 1: to throw away with both hands. But they all part
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Speaker 1: of the fabric of our culture, and no other sport
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Speaker 1: is Yes, we to understand America now. Football will explain
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Speaker 1: America team now more than baseball will. But baseball is cherished,
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Speaker 1: and it is part of the time and the heartbeat
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Speaker 1: of our of our nation. And when our nation has
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Speaker 1: a problem, it looks to baseball, and baseball instead of
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Speaker 1: being there, baseball just basically add its dirty linen the
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Speaker 1: whole time in this ugly economic fight where you just
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Speaker 1: look greedy and selfish and really almost childish at times. Uh.
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Speaker 1: But baseball doesn't care. I don't think they care about that.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they care with the media things. I
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Speaker 1: don't think they care with the fans. But I think
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Speaker 1: they care about getting the right deal for the future.
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Speaker 1: I think they want to set up their economic system
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Speaker 1: the way they want it. That is what is so
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Speaker 1: important to him. And remember this about Manfred. People give
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Speaker 1: Manfred too much blame because he's an employee of the owners.
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Speaker 1: He's there to do the owners bidding. If the owners,
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Speaker 1: like the owners took him down the wrong road a
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Speaker 1: couple of times, he has to be strong enough internally
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Speaker 1: to to to move the owners where he needs them.
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Speaker 1: That's what a great commissioner does. That's what Rosel always did.
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Speaker 1: Rosel was able to take the players, to take the
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Speaker 1: owners where they didn't want to go. To get consensus.
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Speaker 1: Is that he needed to get. Know how to get
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Speaker 1: the consensus in the room. Know who the consensus makers
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Speaker 1: are among the owners. What owner can sway four or
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Speaker 1: five different owners, What owner you can go to? Who
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Speaker 1: can lead a band of owners back to a position
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Speaker 1: you want. That's what a modern commissioner has to do.
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Speaker 1: Because the commissioner isn't some tennessil mountain landis now. He
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Speaker 1: doesn't represent the sport. He is an owner's employee. That's
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Speaker 1: all he is. He is the head of the owners,
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Speaker 1: just the way the mlp UH guy, whoever it is
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Speaker 1: at the time, whether it's Clok or a Fear or whoever,
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Speaker 1: is the head of the players union. He's in charge
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Speaker 1: of the management side of it. That's his job. He's
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Speaker 1: got two main jobs. The commissioner now in every sport,
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Speaker 1: grow the revenue and keep the union under control. Forget
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Speaker 1: everything else. The other stuff is cosmetics. That's his main
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Speaker 1: jobs now when it's been that way ever since the
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Speaker 1: unions have become powerful. How much do you think, you know,
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Speaker 1: two weeks ago, whatever it was, he went on ESPN
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Speaker 1: and said, I'm a hundred percent sure there's gonna be
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Speaker 1: a season. Five days later he goes on ESPN He's like,
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Speaker 1: I'm not a hundred percent sure there's gonna be a season.
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Speaker 1: How much do you think that was staged and strategized
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Speaker 1: in terms of getting him to the point where they
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Speaker 1: are where they potentially may have one based on the
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Speaker 1: latest reports. I think he thought he went the first
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Speaker 1: time with a strategy, and then the second time he
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Speaker 1: realized it was a bad strategy, that the right way
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Speaker 1: to do it was to threaten no season, not to
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Speaker 1: threatened season. Threatening no season because the players have wanted
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Speaker 1: a seasons, they just wanted at the terms. When he
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Speaker 1: threatened no season, I think he got a better reaction
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Speaker 1: than when he threatened season. I just think the first
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Speaker 1: time was a miscalculation, and he's made a couple of
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Speaker 1: big mistakes during this negotiation. He can't He made some
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Speaker 1: critical mistakes in handling Houston during their whole thing. He
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Speaker 1: made he he had a walk back some really embarrassing
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Speaker 1: statements there, and he made a miscalculation the first time here.
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Speaker 1: But again, always understand what the owner has to do
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Speaker 1: is move. What the commissioner has to do is move
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Speaker 1: his body of owners to where he wants them to go.
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Speaker 1: If he can't do that, he's not a great commission
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Speaker 1: So you said something before about football being explaining sort
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Speaker 1: of America today, no question being, you know, within the
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Speaker 1: fabric of who we are, and it's why they can
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Speaker 1: sort of trample on the good will of the fans
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Speaker 1: as often as baseball does well. Baseball holes of an
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Speaker 1: old fashioned place that may not be there in fifty
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Speaker 1: years because I'm not sure the new generations have the
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Speaker 1: same feel for it. But we've marked time with baseball.
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Speaker 1: We deal in Baseball. Statistics are cherished. Football statistics are
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Speaker 1: not cherished. Nobody recite football statistics, Nobody argues football statistics.
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Speaker 1: Baseball statistics are argued. They cherished. We mark time with baseball.
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Speaker 1: We don't mark time with football. But football plays to
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Speaker 1: the box, to the to the game. It is built
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Speaker 1: perfectly for television. It works perfectly inside the box that
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Speaker 1: controls America now, which is what television does. And whether
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Speaker 1: it's now in any form, it's still the box, whether
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Speaker 1: it's an iPhone, whether it's streaming, whether your screen is
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Speaker 1: uh five five ft or five inches, it's still a box.
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Speaker 1: And football plays perfectly to the box on the sports
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Speaker 1: do not, which is why football plus football plays to
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Speaker 1: us were a violent society. Unfortunately, football is a very
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Speaker 1: violent game, uh and the wet and football is a
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Speaker 1: very violent, very militaristic game, and that's why it's as
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Speaker 1: popular as it is now. So there's one other thing
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Speaker 1: that I say, football place too, and it speaks directly
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Speaker 1: to something you and I are both passionate about and
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Speaker 1: that you were a pioneer in in discussing in sports
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Speaker 1: radio and doing on television also, which is gambling, right
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Speaker 1: and like football football, I would argue that the reason
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Speaker 1: football became as popular it as today is because of
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Speaker 1: the point spread. And you've seen the evolution of the
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Speaker 1: impact that point spread has had on gambling and how
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Speaker 1: it made football a much more gambler friendly sport than
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Speaker 1: baseball could ever be. Football, which ironically is one of
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Speaker 1: the hot the NFL has become one of the hottest
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Speaker 1: sports to beat because the way the games are played,
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Speaker 1: and because the way they have uh made the game
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Speaker 1: all about offense. It's become a very tough game for
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Speaker 1: a gambler. To be very, very tough, you almost have
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Speaker 1: to churn out a percentage in football and pick your spot.
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Speaker 1: It's not the best game. There are far better games,
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Speaker 1: many better games for a gambler. I could go down
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Speaker 1: a litany. There are many better games to play than
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Speaker 1: the NFL. The NFL is hard, but it is popular
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Speaker 1: because the point spread evens everybody out. In baseball, if
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Speaker 1: you want to bet the Yankees, you're a Yankee fan,
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Speaker 1: you can't handle that wood. Every night. You gotta lay
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Speaker 1: three and a half to one, three to one. They're
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Speaker 1: playing the Orioles. It might be a one and a
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Speaker 1: half and you're laying two to one, or you're laying
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Speaker 1: four to one. If it's a big time picture pitching.
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Speaker 1: You can't win playing those numbers because when you get
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Speaker 1: when you get killed. Now, you might get a little
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Speaker 1: hot street going and you might have a run where
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Speaker 1: you want eight times in a row. But unless you
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Speaker 1: doubled your bet every time, which gamblers don't do unless
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Speaker 1: you do that. And gamblers don't understand the first premise.
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Speaker 1: Don't understand the first premise of gambling. Okay, don't understand
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Speaker 1: the first premise of gambling, which is you back off
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Speaker 1: when you're losing and you press when you're winning. They
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Speaker 1: press when they're losing and back off to secure their winnings.
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Speaker 1: They take a little nest egg and stick it under
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Speaker 1: their pillow, the completely wrong way to gamble. And most
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Speaker 1: gambles never even understand that. And that is that I
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Speaker 1: can find out about a game with two seconds just
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Speaker 1: by knowing that about them. That is the the biggest
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Speaker 1: mistake most gambles made. But football plays perfectly dramatic endings
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Speaker 1: and the point spread equals everybody out. In baseball, you
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Speaker 1: cannot equal everybody out. It's impossible. And in the n
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Speaker 1: B a uh, it's really It can be a good
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Speaker 1: game at times, but what's happened in recent years is
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Speaker 1: the good versus the bad have made the point spread
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Speaker 1: so outrageous. Do you go back ten years in the NBA,
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Speaker 1: you never saw a seventeen point line at fifteen point
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Speaker 1: line and eight team point line maybe one when the
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Speaker 1: worst team was playing in the best team. But you've
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Speaker 1: got those every night now in the NBA, and that's
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Speaker 1: made the NBA very very hard to fool with because
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Speaker 1: you can't lay seventeen points and tell me you feel
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Speaker 1: good because you don't know what the team is gonna
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Speaker 1: do in the fourth quarter with a twenty point lead.
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Speaker 1: So the bottom line is football with his point spread
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Speaker 1: plays perfectly and neatly into the psyche of betting. And
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Speaker 1: it's also extremely exciting and it's very visible and it's
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Speaker 1: there for people every day. So that's why it's the game.
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Speaker 1: Uh and uh, gambling has been not a little it
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Speaker 1: has been an enormous boon to the popularity of football.
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Speaker 1: Something football fort for a long time. They don't even
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Speaker 1: find it anymore. They used to fight at Roselle, who
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Speaker 1: I knew pretty well, fought it unbelievably. I mean he
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Speaker 1: used to get up and say, oh, only two percent
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Speaker 1: of the people who watch the NFL bet on it,
14:38
Speaker 1: and be Know Cook, who was a character, said yeah,
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Speaker 1: they all have on my block. So I mean that
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Speaker 1: was something the NFL fot for years. But yes, gambling
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Speaker 1: is an enormous factor into the popularity of the NFL,
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Speaker 1: without any question. So you clearly love gambling, and you
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Speaker 1: love the language of gambling and have a passion for it.
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Speaker 1: And then you were in the movie n Cut Jams
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Speaker 1: and you played a book and Adam Sandler was going
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Speaker 1: to do a deep, dark spiral betting on the NBA.
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Speaker 1: How much when you got the script for Unca Gems
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Speaker 1: and sort of the language is what it is, how
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Speaker 1: much of it felt familiar to you? How much did
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Speaker 1: you love getting to talk about sort of gambling in
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Speaker 1: that way? I didn't mind when I met with the
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Speaker 1: Safty brothers the UH and I never met with Adam
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Speaker 1: about I met with the directors, And when I met
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Speaker 1: with them, they have been it's like the same thing
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Speaker 1: I've heard a million times. And I grew up listening
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Speaker 1: to you in the fact of my dad's car. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I've heard that once. I've heard it fifty million times.
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Speaker 1: And they were the same thing they heard. They grew
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Speaker 1: up listening to me in Forest Hills. Um. So they
15:39
Speaker 1: and they said, we need your tone, the tone you've
15:42
Speaker 1: used a million times, we want you to use with
15:44
Speaker 1: Adam when he brings you this ridiculous pet. I said, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I said, I got it. He they said, basically here's here.
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Speaker 1: Here's what. They didn't give me a script. They said,
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Speaker 1: here's what we want you to do. Here's this annoying
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Speaker 1: gambler who is indo you for money, who you like
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Speaker 1: a little bit. Is he's just the character, but he's
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Speaker 1: a pain in the has to he's in your restaurant,
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Speaker 1: which you won't but you're also a bookmaker. And the
16:07
Speaker 1: bottom line is he's just a NewEdge. But you know
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Speaker 1: you kind of like him, but you know he's also annoying.
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Speaker 1: So and he's going to come to you with this
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Speaker 1: whacky bet and bingo. That's what he did. And that's
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Speaker 1: how I reacted. We didn't have a script, and it
16:19
Speaker 1: was just me at living what I had to say,
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Speaker 1: and that's what I did. So what what was how
16:24
Speaker 1: many tastes did you do? And like what were some
16:25
Speaker 1: of the other things you said? I did know? I
16:29
Speaker 1: never really they didn't. Once I did it, they wanted
16:32
Speaker 1: me to stick to the uh pretty much to the
16:35
Speaker 1: same words, because he wanted to react or certain words,
16:38
Speaker 1: and they wanted to do certain things or certain words
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Speaker 1: and roll certain things or what they change is what
16:44
Speaker 1: happens in that is what you don't realize is he
16:47
Speaker 1: might do it. They'll say to you, oh, perfect the
16:50
Speaker 1: first time you do it, and you figure, wow, that
16:52
Speaker 1: was great for a perfect Now do it again. Now
16:56
Speaker 1: react off this word. Now when he comes in and
16:59
Speaker 1: look at this. Now when he comes in, roll your
17:02
Speaker 1: eyes this way. Now when he comes in, do this
17:05
Speaker 1: and then now do it all with this camera angle.
17:10
Speaker 1: Do it all with this camera angle. Do it all
17:12
Speaker 1: with reverse cameras, shooting from a top shooting. So basically,
17:16
Speaker 1: they'll take the same scene and for their own ability
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Speaker 1: to cut the way they want to cut. Later on,
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Speaker 1: they'll shoot the scene from eight different angles. They'll shoot
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Speaker 1: the scene from five different expressions, eight different angles, five
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Speaker 1: different expressions from him, five different expressions from me, and
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Speaker 1: then pick the one they liked. So it's not about
17:35
Speaker 1: doing the scene right. Basically, I do the scene right
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Speaker 1: twenty five times is what it comes down there. Did
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Speaker 1: uh Did Sander give you any feedback when you guys
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Speaker 1: were doing it? No, he never. He never said anything
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Speaker 1: to me. He just said afterwards, I did really well.
17:48
Speaker 1: That was the only thing he said. When we were finished,
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Speaker 1: He said, you did a great job, and that was that.
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Speaker 1: He never offered me anything. As a matter of fact,
17:55
Speaker 1: needed to direct this they did. All they said to
17:57
Speaker 1: me was this time, just react to this or say
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Speaker 1: this yet being phatic on this word. Uh, say this
18:06
Speaker 1: this time uh, and addressed the way to this way
18:10
Speaker 1: about the caesar salad and then turn and do this
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Speaker 1: And at the kitchen was like two hundred degrees. That
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Speaker 1: was the second scene. What happened was when I went in,
18:20
Speaker 1: they told me I was only doing the scene at
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Speaker 1: the table. That was it. When I did the first scene,
18:24
Speaker 1: they added the second scene and said we're gonna come
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Speaker 1: back and as them do with another scene. So they
18:29
Speaker 1: basically liked the first scene so much they added the
18:32
Speaker 1: second scene, and they wound up using both scenes in
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Speaker 1: the movie. Plus they wound up putting the first scene
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Speaker 1: in the trailer, which was a big deal because the
18:41
Speaker 1: trailer the day it came out was seen by like
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Speaker 1: eight million people. So uh, you know, I was getting
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Speaker 1: calls from all over the world from people about it.
18:49
Speaker 1: Because then when they released the trailer, I was in
18:52
Speaker 1: the beginning of the trailer, and the trailer went everywhere.
18:55
Speaker 1: So uh, the movie got a lot of buzz and
18:57
Speaker 1: actually did very well at the box office. I went
19:00
Speaker 1: I was down at my house in Palm Beach over
19:03
Speaker 1: the holidays and wanted to go see it. I had
19:05
Speaker 1: never seen it. I mean I had been to the
19:07
Speaker 1: I had seen it, but I had never sat in
19:09
Speaker 1: the theater and watched it. I had. I had gone
19:10
Speaker 1: to the premier in October at Lincoln Center. There was
19:14
Speaker 1: a couple of premiers. I went to the one they
19:15
Speaker 1: had at Lincoln Center one night with them. I didn't
19:18
Speaker 1: go to the other one they had, but um, I
19:20
Speaker 1: went to see it at the theater and the first
19:23
Speaker 1: three times and said it was throwed out. So I
19:25
Speaker 1: had a when I went. Um, I took my kids
19:29
Speaker 1: to see it, and it had a wait till the
19:31
Speaker 1: fourth day to see it in the same theater because
19:34
Speaker 1: it was sold out every time over the holiday, so
19:36
Speaker 1: that it actually did really well. And I know they
19:39
Speaker 1: were hoping that he would get an Academy one nomination.
19:42
Speaker 1: That was some talk. But I thought he was great
19:44
Speaker 1: and I I never saw it going it. I mean,
19:46
Speaker 1: I you know, I never saw anybody except that of
19:48
Speaker 1: the day I was there, it was just me and Adam.
19:50
Speaker 1: We did We were together for about can eleven hours,
19:53
Speaker 1: with about a three hour break in the middle of
19:55
Speaker 1: where we watched the baseball game together. But I never
19:58
Speaker 1: saw gone it. I never or anybody else in the movie.
20:01
Speaker 1: They weren't the other day I was there. I was
20:03
Speaker 1: only there one day, and I never saw going that
20:06
Speaker 1: at all. But god, book going that was very good
20:07
Speaker 1: in the movie. Did you ever do any bookmaking growing up? Like?
20:12
Speaker 1: How comfortable was all this for you? I mean, I listen,
20:15
Speaker 1: I know bookmakers. I mean I've never done any bookmaking. No,
20:18
Speaker 1: I mean I've known guys who've been bookmakers for a
20:21
Speaker 1: long time. I know guys who have you know, I've
20:23
Speaker 1: known bookmakers for a long time. Still do I've not
20:26
Speaker 1: practiced the business, but you know what I mean, it's
20:28
Speaker 1: a very simple, very simple process. Yes, I mean, you know,
20:32
Speaker 1: the neighborhood Bookie is a it's just a regular feature.
20:35
Speaker 1: That's basically it. I mean, it's gonna change a little
20:36
Speaker 1: bit now. Except they will never change completely because but
20:39
Speaker 1: what people don't realize is the draft kings, the fan duels,
20:42
Speaker 1: the MGMs online, whatever. They can't put the book he
20:47
Speaker 1: out of business for one main reason. And people don't understand.
20:50
Speaker 1: You can't get credit from anybody else. You only can
20:55
Speaker 1: get credit from the bookmaker, and no one else is
20:57
Speaker 1: in a position to give you credit because they have
20:59
Speaker 1: no way to collect. He has a way to collect rocco.
21:03
Speaker 1: I mean, so he has a way to you know,
21:05
Speaker 1: eventually collect. He sends a guy around to basically, you know, say,
21:09
Speaker 1: if you don't give us the money, you're gonna have
21:10
Speaker 1: a problem. So that's how he collects. But they don't
21:13
Speaker 1: have a way to collect. So credit is a very big,
21:17
Speaker 1: very big thing for most gamblers. They don't want to
21:21
Speaker 1: put money up. I know a lot of people won't
21:23
Speaker 1: go to Vegas because they didn't like putting the money
21:25
Speaker 1: through the window before they bet. They want to bet
21:27
Speaker 1: on credit, and then they hope they scramble for a
21:29
Speaker 1: month trying to pay back. That's where most gamblers don't
21:33
Speaker 1: win because what happens is they all settle up once
21:37
Speaker 1: a week or once a month or whatever, and as
21:40
Speaker 1: soon as they're winning, they want to ride that figure
21:45
Speaker 1: to the week so they can get paid. But when
21:47
Speaker 1: they're losing, they double up and triple up trying not
21:51
Speaker 1: to pay the guy the next week. And that's why
21:54
Speaker 1: it is such a great business for bookmakers, because the
21:58
Speaker 1: psychology is all against the player. If the player would
22:02
Speaker 1: reverse the psychology you'd have a much better chance to winners.
22:06
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, you have almost a chance to
22:09
Speaker 1: win except for the big Alright, so you mentioned DraftKings.
22:12
Speaker 1: DraftKings is now a massive bookmaker, a business that since
22:16
Speaker 1: it went public in April has doubled, doubled. It's a
22:20
Speaker 1: double north of ten billion dollar valuation now for this business, Um,
22:25
Speaker 1: what's your take on DraftKings and sort of the public
22:28
Speaker 1: nature of bookmakers? Generally, stocks get ahead the idea of
22:32
Speaker 1: stocks get ahead of how successful they are. As far
22:36
Speaker 1: as businesses, businesses that don't make money, there's a lot
22:40
Speaker 1: of them on Wall Street who that idea of them. See,
22:43
Speaker 1: Wall Street likes the future. Wall Street likes the idea
22:46
Speaker 1: that's the future, and they will pay many times what
22:50
Speaker 1: a stock is worth in value. There are many stocks
22:53
Speaker 1: that don't make a dime that are two and three
22:55
Speaker 1: hundred dollars a share. That's the way it works on
22:58
Speaker 1: Wall Street. They're paying for the future. They're paying for
23:01
Speaker 1: the opportunity. All right. So the premises that people think
23:05
Speaker 1: that's gonna be an enormous business, I think it will
23:08
Speaker 1: be a good business. I don't think it will be
23:11
Speaker 1: the runaway business that people think it will be, but
23:14
Speaker 1: it will be for the couple of big players. They
23:16
Speaker 1: will be big players, but remember most of them are
23:19
Speaker 1: gonna be locked in as part of big conglomerates. You know,
23:22
Speaker 1: MGM is gonna be a big player. Jeff Kings will
23:25
Speaker 1: either stand alone or get taken over by somebody else
23:27
Speaker 1: and be a very big player like pen Churchill downs
23:31
Speaker 1: all these guys, they might gobble up these companies. I mean,
23:34
Speaker 1: so you'll have three or four companies that will be
23:37
Speaker 1: very big entities. They'll own casinos, they'll also on the
23:41
Speaker 1: online because members something a big key is you gotta
23:44
Speaker 1: be vetted to take bets. You have to be completely clean.
23:48
Speaker 1: You have to be vetted. Everybody who works for you
23:50
Speaker 1: has gotta be vetted. So that's a very hard thing
23:52
Speaker 1: for companies to do. So that's why companies that have
23:54
Speaker 1: already done it, whether it's an MGM of the Mohican
23:57
Speaker 1: Son or whoever, they have a big leg up because
23:59
Speaker 1: they've already done that process. So their employees are already
24:01
Speaker 1: been been scrubbed. And that's a very hard process for
24:05
Speaker 1: a regular company to do. So you've been betting a
24:07
Speaker 1: long time, let's say, and you've been outspoken about I've
24:11
Speaker 1: been betting since I was a teenager when I I
24:13
Speaker 1: put myself through St. John's, when I used to go
24:16
Speaker 1: to Belmont and handicapped. Correct, Oh, I didn't realize that's
24:19
Speaker 1: how you put yourself through St. John's. Well, not even
24:21
Speaker 1: put myself through. But you know what I had. I
24:23
Speaker 1: used to have a job after after school. I used
24:26
Speaker 1: to take classes from seven am till eleven am, and
24:29
Speaker 1: then I used to go in the afternoon, late in
24:31
Speaker 1: the afternoons with my job. And what I would do
24:34
Speaker 1: is in between, I had some hours to kill. I
24:37
Speaker 1: was writing a Belmont to go into Belmont. Well, I
24:39
Speaker 1: started doing well enough in Belmont that I got rid
24:41
Speaker 1: of my job because I wasn't making a lot of
24:42
Speaker 1: money at my job anyway. So basically I just made
24:44
Speaker 1: while I was in college and made the ponies my
24:46
Speaker 1: my way of you know, putting money in my pocket.
24:48
Speaker 1: All right, So I do want to get to Belmont
24:50
Speaker 1: because that's perfect. But if New York you've been outspoken
24:53
Speaker 1: about New York not legalizing betting and everyone going to
24:55
Speaker 1: Jersey New York legalized betting, do you start betting with
24:59
Speaker 1: the opera raiders that are here? Do you keep betting
25:01
Speaker 1: with a bookmaker, with that with a book probably do
25:03
Speaker 1: a little of both. Of Course, I'm not thrilled with
25:05
Speaker 1: everybody knowing my business, you know. So the one thing
25:09
Speaker 1: about that is people are gonna know everything you do.
25:11
Speaker 1: There's a level of privacy that you get from the
25:15
Speaker 1: bookmaker that you don't get from betting online. But what
25:18
Speaker 1: I have an account with a draft Kings or sand
25:21
Speaker 1: Dual or someone like that. Absolutely, yes, I think I
25:23
Speaker 1: definitely would. I don't right now, but I would. What
25:26
Speaker 1: is this sport? Obviously a horse racing. We're gonna get
25:28
Speaker 1: to Bellman in a second. But horse racing has been
25:30
Speaker 1: around it is basically hasn't stopped since the shutdown. What
25:34
Speaker 1: are the sports you've missed betting on most since everything
25:39
Speaker 1: is shut down? See, I'm a pure so. I love so.
25:41
Speaker 1: I don't need to bet on a game to love
25:43
Speaker 1: a game, though. I'm I'm a I'm a guy that
25:45
Speaker 1: loves games. I love games. I'm a frustrated coach. I
25:48
Speaker 1: love to think the game. That's what I like to do.
25:50
Speaker 1: I love watching football games and and and thinking strategy
25:53
Speaker 1: and analyzing the game. I love that. I love analyzing
25:56
Speaker 1: basketball games, football games while they're being played. I I
26:00
Speaker 1: really thoroughly enjoy that. So I don't have to have
26:03
Speaker 1: a bet to enjoy the game. In any way, I'll
26:05
Speaker 1: never have Baseball regular season game is can be a
26:08
Speaker 1: little tedious, I admit that. But it's a great October
26:11
Speaker 1: sport because what what hurts baseball in July enhances it
26:16
Speaker 1: in October. Explain here's why. In July the five minute
26:21
Speaker 1: if that is tedious, in October in the right spot,
26:24
Speaker 1: the five minute that is suspended drama, the likes of
26:28
Speaker 1: which you can't get anywhere else. Falling off the two
26:31
Speaker 1: two pitch, the three two pitches outside, he fouls off
26:35
Speaker 1: the three two pitch, the runners lead away, the whole thing.
26:37
Speaker 1: So in in baseball, football the plays over. Beastball, the
26:41
Speaker 1: plays over in baseball, it's almost suspended drama. It's almost drips.
26:46
Speaker 1: There's so much drama, and you can almost slow it
26:48
Speaker 1: down to where you can almost steal it and taste it.
26:52
Speaker 1: And that's what gives. So what hurts baseball also helps
26:55
Speaker 1: it in October. Baseball is a great postseason sport. Just
27:00
Speaker 1: at t nhlis baseball and hockey to me, and not
27:02
Speaker 1: great regular season sports. They're great post season sports. I'm
27:06
Speaker 1: surprised you didn't focus on golf. I love golf. I
27:09
Speaker 1: mean I pay a golf as a tremendous betting vehicle
27:12
Speaker 1: because the odds are so good. That's why horse racing
27:15
Speaker 1: see horse racing, if you know what you're doing, is
27:17
Speaker 1: so much better than sports. It's it's almost laughable because
27:22
Speaker 1: I kind of like a horse to win, and I
27:24
Speaker 1: can have two horses that I know one of these
27:26
Speaker 1: two of them are going to run second, and I
27:28
Speaker 1: get forty two or forty four hours for the exacta. Okay,
27:32
Speaker 1: with the two horses, I'm gonna make twenty bucks. I'm
27:35
Speaker 1: gonna make twenty two one on my money either way.
27:38
Speaker 1: I mean you, I mean, what am I gonna do?
27:40
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna lay one ten to win to win
27:43
Speaker 1: a hundred at least in football. And what they've done
27:46
Speaker 1: recently is they've been tricky. They'll keep the game at
27:49
Speaker 1: three and go one thirty. Of course they will go
27:51
Speaker 1: to one thirty. Why not they make a fortune. So
27:54
Speaker 1: you know, if if they only if they take in
27:56
Speaker 1: the lass at one thirty and pay out the winner
27:58
Speaker 1: at a dollar, they make unfortune. That's an insane splitter
28:01
Speaker 1: should be criminals against the law to be able to
28:04
Speaker 1: take that kind of split. The bottom line is in
28:07
Speaker 1: horse tracing, the value is unbelievable. In golf, okay, And
28:12
Speaker 1: I love analyzing. I analyze and waging on golf every week.
28:16
Speaker 1: And I love the bet long shots okay, and I've
28:19
Speaker 1: been I've been very good at it. And what I
28:21
Speaker 1: use is recently i've been on I've waged every time,
28:26
Speaker 1: kept I bet him in every every major. So that's
28:28
Speaker 1: depths number one, number two. I like horses for courses.
28:31
Speaker 1: I'll analyze guys who have played really well at a
28:35
Speaker 1: place and it shows up they play well there all
28:40
Speaker 1: the time. Perfect example, last week's speech, Speed didn't win
28:44
Speaker 1: speech was playing like a dog, but because he plays
28:46
Speaker 1: so well at Colonial, he was still in it with
28:49
Speaker 1: them till the last day because he loves Colonial. Horses
28:53
Speaker 1: for courses, guys playing tracks really works well in golf.
28:57
Speaker 1: It pays off and and the payoffs are tremendous. You
29:00
Speaker 1: can get fifty to one on a guy that can
29:01
Speaker 1: actually win the golf tournament. I mean that's unbelievable money.
29:04
Speaker 1: It really is. Well. Look this weekend, like Colin Morrikawa,
29:08
Speaker 1: you had justin Rose Daniel Burger, like I know that
29:12
Speaker 1: everybody I know was was on dated breath with every
29:17
Speaker 1: single put that anybody took on the eighteen toll because
29:21
Speaker 1: they all came so close, they were all lipping out.
29:24
Speaker 1: There were fifty ft puts to get people in play. Well,
29:27
Speaker 1: you saw a golf at its unbelievably torturous best too.
29:31
Speaker 1: You saw your Kawa make a fifty footer on fifteen
29:36
Speaker 1: and then miss a five foot slightly uphill on eight
29:40
Speaker 1: team to win the tournament, and then to extend the
29:42
Speaker 1: tournament miss a three footer. So and then you saw
29:45
Speaker 1: and shortly make a forty footer for bogey and then
29:49
Speaker 1: a twenty ft for birdie, and then he lipped out
29:53
Speaker 1: on a two ft pots. I mean, how unbelievable is
29:56
Speaker 1: that guy made forty and twenty six then you looked
29:59
Speaker 1: out from two ft. That is great drama. And you
30:02
Speaker 1: have a lot of good young players that can play now,
30:05
Speaker 1: and in every one of these tournaments there's a lot
30:07
Speaker 1: of action. The big advantage golf has got getting out
30:10
Speaker 1: now in front. First of all, everybody's playing golf. The
30:12
Speaker 1: golf courses are so packed now because people can get out.
30:15
Speaker 1: Plus their kids don't have any events going on, so
30:17
Speaker 1: they don't have any to do. So you've got people
30:19
Speaker 1: playing golf all over the place, teaching people to play
30:21
Speaker 1: golf or playing golf. You've got a lot of people
30:24
Speaker 1: haven't played golf for trying to play golf, so they're
30:27
Speaker 1: buying golf equipment. Plus, Dolf's gonna do well on TV
30:30
Speaker 1: because they're out there when nothing else is on. That
30:32
Speaker 1: golf tournament was exciting last week, It really was. It
30:35
Speaker 1: was amazing and there were massive, massive, massive six figure
30:40
Speaker 1: swings on some of these parts. How how did you
30:44
Speaker 1: do last weekend? Who did you have and how did
30:45
Speaker 1: it go for you? I bet Speef and Dustin Johnson
30:49
Speaker 1: before the tournament. I bet Speek because of the course.
30:53
Speaker 1: I bet Dustin Johnson because I've never seen Dustin Johnson one.
30:57
Speaker 1: Even though Reed, who comes on at me, who really
30:59
Speaker 1: know what's going on in golfings around the player said
31:01
Speaker 1: Dustin Downton was not in shape. He goes, if you
31:04
Speaker 1: know Dulston Johnson, you know he's got a reputation for
31:05
Speaker 1: being a party boy, and you know that they probably
31:08
Speaker 1: feel he hasn't done a lot of work, which he
31:09
Speaker 1: probably hasn't. I mean, that's not his m O. He's
31:11
Speaker 1: a party boy, so that's what his demos I mean,
31:13
Speaker 1: but he likes to you know, I'm not a Rory guy.
31:16
Speaker 1: I always play against Roy because you can't put I'm
31:18
Speaker 1: not a Rory guy. And I know this about Kepta.
31:20
Speaker 1: I will always bet Kepta in the majors. I don't
31:23
Speaker 1: bet Kepta in the other tournaments because he doesn't care.
31:26
Speaker 1: You gotta know that going in. So I bet those two.
31:29
Speaker 1: But then he has the other part about golf. Come
31:32
Speaker 1: back at the halfway point and looked at the odds again, okay,
31:37
Speaker 1: and see who has a chance, and say, look at
31:41
Speaker 1: the tournament again, and they will put odds up before
31:43
Speaker 1: the Saturday round. They'll sometimes put him up on the
31:46
Speaker 1: Sunday round, but most of the time that will really
31:49
Speaker 1: favor the guys that are out in front. This past Sunday,
31:52
Speaker 1: you had so many guys in it, it was a
31:53
Speaker 1: little different. I wage it again on Saturday and actually
31:57
Speaker 1: took Burger on Saturday because he had played, so I've
32:00
Speaker 1: been so impressed with how he played. I took Burger
32:03
Speaker 1: for the weekend, so I got lucky at one. I
32:06
Speaker 1: didn't take any money on Murk. How although Reed was
32:08
Speaker 1: pitching Miracaw like crazy, I didn't wag on him. I
32:11
Speaker 1: did wager on Bree. I did wager on Burger at
32:15
Speaker 1: to one on Saturday. It's not bad. I mean that
32:18
Speaker 1: worked out. I'd say you got a little more than lucky.
32:20
Speaker 1: Like that was just some good strategy right there. Because
32:23
Speaker 1: he's been red hot. Yeah I've been he's been red hot,
32:25
Speaker 1: so I thought he was worth it. Uh. The other
32:27
Speaker 1: guy I would have waged on would have been Woodland,
32:30
Speaker 1: but I took Burger because the odds was so much better.
32:32
Speaker 1: Woodland was eight to one Burger one, So I took Burger.
32:35
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Belmont for a few minutes,
32:37
Speaker 1: because you mentioned it a couple of times, and it's
32:39
Speaker 1: basically your home track, and it's the first leg of
32:41
Speaker 1: the Triple Crown that's coming back, and you know they're
32:43
Speaker 1: doing it all backwards this year. But uh tis the
32:46
Speaker 1: lodge with the eight spot odds on favorite right now?
32:49
Speaker 1: Six to five? What are your thoughts on the Belmont?
32:52
Speaker 1: Remember this is not a typical Belmont one a mile
32:54
Speaker 1: and a half. YEP, racing is very different right now,
32:57
Speaker 1: but I'll sell you this. I saw Tis the Law
32:59
Speaker 1: Breaker is may Eden at Saratoga last year. I was
33:02
Speaker 1: there as the fans probably know. The ones who are
33:05
Speaker 1: listening who know me know I'm a horse owner. I
33:06
Speaker 1: have been for a very long time. I've own horses
33:08
Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety. I started owning horses with both parcels
33:13
Speaker 1: in the beginning, with own horses together. When he came
33:15
Speaker 1: back to coach the Jets, the New York Times roaded
33:17
Speaker 1: editorial that they felt it was not it was not
33:19
Speaker 1: right that we owned courses together, that it was a
33:22
Speaker 1: it was a conflicuentious so we split up us stable.
33:25
Speaker 1: I went my way, he went his. As far as
33:27
Speaker 1: ownership went, he's he's actually put more money into the
33:30
Speaker 1: horse than I have in recent years. But I've had
33:32
Speaker 1: a couple of good horses the last couple of years,
33:34
Speaker 1: and I got a couple of good ones. Now so
33:36
Speaker 1: does he. Uh not any triple Crown horses, but I
33:38
Speaker 1: got a couple of good steak horses, and uh. But
33:41
Speaker 1: I think Tis the Law was so visibly impressive last year.
33:46
Speaker 1: I thought he was a superstar in the making. I
33:48
Speaker 1: haven't seen anything that can touch him. That's the people
33:51
Speaker 1: had funny side this horses in New York read. I
33:54
Speaker 1: don't think anybody touches this horse in this race now,
33:57
Speaker 1: whether it win the Triple Crown. Let's see, this is
33:59
Speaker 1: a very different year then was being running a very
34:01
Speaker 1: different way. It's a very peculiar year. Everything has changed,
34:05
Speaker 1: so it's hard they really get bearings on horses that
34:08
Speaker 1: are going to travel a lot and just ad distance
34:10
Speaker 1: to the Belmont is so much different. But I think
34:12
Speaker 1: this horse, I'll never tell you to been on his
34:14
Speaker 1: own horse ever, but I think as far as do
34:17
Speaker 1: I think this horse is gonna win this race, I do.
34:19
Speaker 1: I think he right now is a complete standout. Let's
34:22
Speaker 1: go back to the Purcels thing for a second. Like
34:25
Speaker 1: you're a big personality, he's a big personality. If you
34:28
Speaker 1: guys have a difference of opinion about something in owning
34:31
Speaker 1: the horses, how do you guys settle that If we
34:34
Speaker 1: ever had a difference of opinion as to where we
34:36
Speaker 1: wanted to run a horse or who the trainer was.
34:39
Speaker 1: I mean we we talked about it. I knew more
34:41
Speaker 1: about horse racing than he did, especially then. Uh, he
34:44
Speaker 1: was kind of new to the sport. I had been
34:45
Speaker 1: around it for a while I I introduced him to
34:48
Speaker 1: the sport. I took him to Saratoga for the first time.
34:51
Speaker 1: He now has fallen in love with Saratoga. He goes
34:53
Speaker 1: there every year, um uh. And he has got a
34:56
Speaker 1: very successful stable on his own. He also has spent
34:59
Speaker 1: a lot of time around the track. He has a
35:00
Speaker 1: lot of train of friends now and you know, and
35:03
Speaker 1: jockey friends. He's been very involved in the business for
35:06
Speaker 1: many years now and he knows a lot about it.
35:08
Speaker 1: He didn't end from the beginning. I think he listened
35:10
Speaker 1: to what my thoughts were. Now I think he has
35:13
Speaker 1: his own opinions, so it's probably better that we're split up.
35:16
Speaker 1: But listen, I have a partner now, uh, Leon Slider,
35:20
Speaker 1: who is the costume you get tequila guy. Um. He
35:23
Speaker 1: and I own seven horses together and we get a
35:26
Speaker 1: long time. I mean, we don't have anyway we have.
35:28
Speaker 1: I don't remember seven having the scoop. We you know,
35:31
Speaker 1: we have a very good trainer in Bill Mont. He's
35:33
Speaker 1: a great trainer and most of the time he's gonna
35:35
Speaker 1: make the decisions. You know. I don't tell the trainer
35:37
Speaker 1: on what to do. I mean, I'm not one of
35:39
Speaker 1: these owners that says that I know more about the
35:41
Speaker 1: horse and Bill than Bil Montos. I know that I
35:43
Speaker 1: don't know more about the horse and Billmontos. All right,
35:45
Speaker 1: so let's say today, this is my last question for you.
35:47
Speaker 1: Let's say today Bill Parcels is coaching the Jets of
35:50
Speaker 1: the Giants. You own horse race, you own horses with him,
35:53
Speaker 1: and somebody writes, are not bad, that it's a conflict
35:56
Speaker 1: of interest. Do you sell the horses or do you
35:58
Speaker 1: think it's a different time today. It's not that it was.
36:01
Speaker 1: It was basically our relationship had We had gotten very
36:06
Speaker 1: close when he coached the Giants. We got close when
36:09
Speaker 1: he went to the Pages, we were exceptionally close. And
36:12
Speaker 1: when he came back to coach the Jets, there was
36:14
Speaker 1: a feeling that we were so close that it wasn't
36:17
Speaker 1: that it would be. It was just something that I
36:21
Speaker 1: think it was easier to him if it happened. Uh
36:24
Speaker 1: So I didn't have an issue with it. Uh so.
36:27
Speaker 1: Uh it came up right away, and I said, hey,
36:30
Speaker 1: no problem. It was. It was not a big issue.
36:32
Speaker 1: We only had like three horses at the time, so
36:34
Speaker 1: it was really not a big really not a big issue.
36:36
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it was when he came
36:38
Speaker 1: back to the Jets that we split up the stable.
36:40
Speaker 1: He kept the stable name. We uh we we you
36:44
Speaker 1: know we we had a couple of horses. We split
36:46
Speaker 1: the horses, we sold, I think we so. I remember
36:49
Speaker 1: it's a long time ago. We split the horses. We
36:51
Speaker 1: had a couple of decent horses. Personal girl, uh Nickel
36:55
Speaker 1: defense um. And he kept the stable name. He won
36:58
Speaker 1: the stable name. He kept the color his august Don farm,
37:01
Speaker 1: that's his farm. That was awess in the beginning. I
37:04
Speaker 1: switched to my kids initials, which is what it is now.
37:08
Speaker 1: Uh and no big deal. But it's so long ago now,
37:11
Speaker 1: it's remember that's the Jets. We're nineteen. I think was
37:15
Speaker 1: for ninety five. Might have been his first GM. To
37:17
Speaker 1: remember now how long ago it was, whatever it was,
37:20
Speaker 1: So it's a long time ago. This was fantastic. I'd
37:22
Speaker 1: like to hear your talking about gambling all day. Well,
37:25
Speaker 1: you know, it's a funny thing, you know, it's it's
37:27
Speaker 1: so different now. It's gonna be treated so differently now
37:31
Speaker 1: in the future, it's gonna come out of the shadows.
37:35
Speaker 1: Remember I just saw yesterday that the Denver Broncos have
37:38
Speaker 1: a relationship now a business relationship with vandel right then
37:42
Speaker 1: they just announced it the relationship with FanDuel. Can you admage?
37:45
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that if people has helped me spinning
37:48
Speaker 1: in his grave? I mean, can you imagine that a
37:52
Speaker 1: a betting site has a relationship with the Denver Bronco's Okay,
37:57
Speaker 1: you're gonna see a day chat where they're are going
38:00
Speaker 1: to be at your seat. You're gonna be able to
38:03
Speaker 1: wager on every play. You're gonna be able to wage
38:06
Speaker 1: your on every batter They will first be portals or
38:09
Speaker 1: a little enclaves at the stadium where you'll go and
38:12
Speaker 1: wage you like, you'll go into a little there'll be
38:14
Speaker 1: a little area where you'll go and wager, and then
38:17
Speaker 1: eventually they'll get them to most of the box seats.
38:19
Speaker 1: And then they'll get them to a lot of the
38:21
Speaker 1: seats maybe in the bleaches in the outfield, you might
38:24
Speaker 1: have to go to the portal because they can't get
38:26
Speaker 1: it to every seat. In the luxury areas, they'll get
38:28
Speaker 1: them to every seat and you will be able to
38:30
Speaker 1: wager every batterer. You will be able to wage you
38:34
Speaker 1: because people, I think understand that every time out now,
38:40
Speaker 1: every commercial there is a change embedding now online where
38:44
Speaker 1: you can wag your on an NFL game. Every single
38:48
Speaker 1: break they put up a new line on the game.
38:50
Speaker 1: Now it's based on what the score is. So let's
38:51
Speaker 1: say it's seventeen in the first quotable, that team might
38:54
Speaker 1: be my nineteen and a half of the rest of
38:55
Speaker 1: the game, and you take them where you don't take
38:57
Speaker 1: them in the bottom line. I mean, that's so that's
38:59
Speaker 1: how it works. Gonna make come back and take the talk.
39:01
Speaker 1: Uh you think they're gonna blow them out, you take
39:03
Speaker 1: the favorite. So uh that that's how it works. It's
39:06
Speaker 1: changing so radically there is it is. The one thing
39:11
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to be careful though, is policing it.
39:15
Speaker 1: It's gonna be something they can't afford. Scandals. People can't
39:19
Speaker 1: think the games are on the level. That's the one
39:21
Speaker 1: thing that can't ever happen because if that happens, it's
39:26
Speaker 1: a slippery slope to ruin that that the rue nation.
39:29
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that can't happen, Uh, is they
39:32
Speaker 1: can't think that anybody's out there when the boy gets
39:35
Speaker 1: humbled that you know, and people always think that anyway,
39:37
Speaker 1: But they can't make it to where they really believe
39:40
Speaker 1: that stuff, because when that happens, it will destroy the
39:42
Speaker 1: sports and it will destroy the revenue based. These teams
39:45
Speaker 1: now are bought, these franchises now are bought, and they
39:49
Speaker 1: are using gambling revenues as part of the equation, extreaming revenues.
39:55
Speaker 1: Gambling revenues, that's how big they will be in the future.
39:59
Speaker 1: Every league has all kinds of things set up that's
40:04
Speaker 1: to how they will participate in the years to come.
40:06
Speaker 1: There's no league that isn't already involved and will be
40:09
Speaker 1: involved in a very big way. Well, I hope so, man,
40:12
Speaker 1: because I can tell you this business it probably feels
40:14
Speaker 1: to us. I bet what it felt like to you
40:17
Speaker 1: when you were starting with f A N Like it's
40:21
Speaker 1: a brand new, wide open space where you know it
40:25
Speaker 1: can be something special and that you're getting there before
40:30
Speaker 1: anybody else. The excitement is sort of the pioneering spirit
40:34
Speaker 1: certainly lends itself to all of the things that you
40:36
Speaker 1: just mentioned with everybody thinking about from a DraftKings valuation
40:40
Speaker 1: to the valuation of a football team because of where
40:44
Speaker 1: gambling is going, Well, look at the acceptance of Draft Kings.
40:47
Speaker 1: Jeff Kings came on the board at and already today
40:51
Speaker 1: was and they just went in and double dip. They
40:54
Speaker 1: went in and just and just sold some more stock. Yeah,
40:58
Speaker 1: they wanted to create and got themselves someone they got
41:01
Speaker 1: a little greedily went in and decided, you know what,
41:03
Speaker 1: come first to issue some more chefs. So already they're
41:07
Speaker 1: doing that to raise more capital. They know they're hot
41:10
Speaker 1: right now. Their stock has doubled in a couple of months,
41:13
Speaker 1: so it shows you the acceptance level. And let's be honest,
41:17
Speaker 1: if you look at pen the stock has done really well.
41:19
Speaker 1: If you look at Churchill Downs, the stock has done
41:22
Speaker 1: really well. So these companies are being treated very, very
41:25
Speaker 1: favorably right now by the investment community. My friends, thanks
41:30
Speaker 1: so much man for coming on the podcast. Yeah, my
41:33
Speaker 1: pleasure be well. Next up on the podcast as promised,
41:36
Speaker 1: Jamie Roth. Everybody knows we are working with the Breeders
41:40
Speaker 1: Cup and America's Best Racing this month on a campaign
41:44
Speaker 1: called Still Running Strong because horse racing honestly has been
41:48
Speaker 1: resurgent during the pandemic shutdown. We've been having a blast
41:52
Speaker 1: with it on a daily basis. At Action. We had
41:55
Speaker 1: an idea for contest on Twitter where fans can name
41:58
Speaker 1: their own thoroughbred. It's running now. The winner will be
42:00
Speaker 1: announced on Saturday morning and in time to get some
42:04
Speaker 1: free bets from tv G for the Belmont, and so
42:09
Speaker 1: we needed a volunteer. We needed an actual horse to name.
42:14
Speaker 1: Jamie Roth, one of the owners of l n J.
42:16
Speaker 1: Foxwood Stables, graciously offered to let our fans name one
42:21
Speaker 1: of her thoroughbreds for our Name your Horse contest. Jamie
42:24
Speaker 1: is on with me now, Jamie, I gotta tell you,
42:27
Speaker 1: like we posted this, this is Tuesday. We're recording. We
42:30
Speaker 1: posted this on Monday and immediately started getting like great responses.
42:35
Speaker 1: Were you surprised? No, I think people love the idea
42:38
Speaker 1: of naming horses. It's a way for them to get
42:40
Speaker 1: involved in the sport without owning a horse. It was
42:43
Speaker 1: interesting to see a lot of the names. Some are
42:45
Speaker 1: really clever. Which ones did you like so far? Money
42:49
Speaker 1: Printer was funny. You're gonna have to vote at some
42:51
Speaker 1: point on who the winner is, so we'll announce that.
42:54
Speaker 1: We'll announced that on Saturday. You and your parents started
42:57
Speaker 1: l n J Foxwoods in two thousand twelve. How did
43:01
Speaker 1: you guys get into it? It was mostly me bringing
43:04
Speaker 1: an idea to my parents. I had met Alex Solie
43:08
Speaker 1: back at Delmar in two thousand and twelve, spoke to
43:11
Speaker 1: him for a while about wanting to get into the sport,
43:13
Speaker 1: had no idea how to do it. He gave me
43:16
Speaker 1: some ideas based on things that I wanted to do,
43:20
Speaker 1: for instance, breeding, working more with phillies than colts. Obviously,
43:24
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people know I loved great
43:26
Speaker 1: child Alexandra, so that was the female aspect of wanting
43:29
Speaker 1: to get involved. He immediately came up with a game plan.
43:33
Speaker 1: He is a go getter. Presented it to my parents
43:36
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas because they happened to be there. He
43:39
Speaker 1: flew from California to Vegas. I'm lucky I have parents
43:42
Speaker 1: who really supported an idea of mine, as well as
43:46
Speaker 1: ideas of my brothers and other industries. I think. A
43:49
Speaker 1: month later was Keenland sale. He bought four brood Mares
43:52
Speaker 1: and the rest is history. Explain to people who Alex
43:56
Speaker 1: is number one, and then explained like why you were
43:59
Speaker 1: even interested in this space? So Alex sols Jr. Is
44:03
Speaker 1: the son of Alex Solise, Hall of Fame jockey. I
44:06
Speaker 1: got into the sport simply because I watched Rachel Alexandra
44:11
Speaker 1: competing against the boys, and when I was younger, I
44:15
Speaker 1: hate I don't like to be conceded. But I was
44:17
Speaker 1: a great athlete, and there weren't many women's teams to
44:20
Speaker 1: play on that were competitive enough for me. So I
44:23
Speaker 1: played against the boys in soccer specifically, and it was hard.
44:28
Speaker 1: I got a lot of crap, a lot of boys.
44:31
Speaker 1: I thought I played defense that that could just go
44:33
Speaker 1: around me and they and they couldn't most of the time.
44:37
Speaker 1: And the parents of the of the boys, I don't
44:40
Speaker 1: know if they were embarrassed, but just didn't like it.
44:42
Speaker 1: And so I felt a connection to Rachel. What did
44:47
Speaker 1: you know about it? Though? Like when you were deciding
44:49
Speaker 1: you're going to get into this space, did you how
44:51
Speaker 1: much did you know? I've been a sports fan my
44:54
Speaker 1: whole entire life. ESPN was basically the only channel on
44:58
Speaker 1: in my in my room him, so I knew about
45:01
Speaker 1: most sports. As far as racing goes, I was probably
45:05
Speaker 1: like like most people. I watched the Triple Crown races.
45:09
Speaker 1: I didn't even know about the Breeders Cup then or
45:11
Speaker 1: other racetracks. I watched the Derby, Preakness, said Belmont, just
45:15
Speaker 1: because I was a sports fan, and it was on TV,
45:18
Speaker 1: so that was basically all I knew. I knew names,
45:20
Speaker 1: Rachel Curlin, REGs to Riches, the big names. So I
45:25
Speaker 1: was an average fan at best. Um, but I watched
45:29
Speaker 1: the show Jockeys. I don't know how I came across it.
45:32
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I just was looking for a new show.
45:35
Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved the behind scenes of how
45:38
Speaker 1: how jockey's lived their lives, and through Jockeys, I became
45:41
Speaker 1: familiar with other horses Zinn YadA and the competition between
45:45
Speaker 1: Nata and Rachel. Really I thought was so interesting. East Coast,
45:49
Speaker 1: West coast. So that's that's how I got into it really.
45:53
Speaker 1: And then when you first start buying horses, I mean,
45:57
Speaker 1: if you're really getting into it just from sort of
45:59
Speaker 1: watching tell levision and stuff, how eye opening was the
46:02
Speaker 1: experience in terms of what you were looking for. Well,
46:05
Speaker 1: that's an interesting question because I got into it because
46:09
Speaker 1: of the racing aspect. But the idea with Alex was
46:13
Speaker 1: breeding because you can always fall back on on the
46:17
Speaker 1: phillies in case they're not what you expect on the track.
46:20
Speaker 1: You have a you have that financial fallback. And we
46:24
Speaker 1: were lucky because when we went to Keenland. The market
46:27
Speaker 1: was still recovering from the recession. We were able to
46:30
Speaker 1: buy for brood mares that were well bred, and it
46:34
Speaker 1: was exactly who Alex's plan. If they couldn't make it
46:36
Speaker 1: to the track where there was issues, we could fall
46:38
Speaker 1: back and breed it out of them or sell them.
46:40
Speaker 1: So it was interesting. It wasn't racing really, it was
46:43
Speaker 1: more breeding. My dad got really into racing and that's
46:46
Speaker 1: how things change, all right. So the horse that we're
46:50
Speaker 1: naming is the great grandson of Secretariat, right, and you
46:56
Speaker 1: talk about like the value chain of sort of the
47:01
Speaker 1: hereditary nature of these horses. When you see something like
47:04
Speaker 1: this doesn't make it feel more valuable to you. Can
47:07
Speaker 1: you separate sort of the name from the jeens? Not really.
47:11
Speaker 1: Obviously you hope that the pedigree pans out, but as
47:14
Speaker 1: everyone knows, in this sport, it's hard to even make
47:17
Speaker 1: it to the races. So of course you hope that
47:20
Speaker 1: a well bred cult will take you to the big races,
47:26
Speaker 1: as as most people hope and become a Staalian, but
47:29
Speaker 1: that rarely happens. But the whole point is to breed
47:32
Speaker 1: a well bred horse if they don't make it to
47:35
Speaker 1: the stallion aspect. Hopefully they can they could be a
47:37
Speaker 1: good runner on the track at high levels. But yeah,
47:41
Speaker 1: the idea was to buy the mayor Mystery Strike because
47:44
Speaker 1: she's a daughter of Mystery Trip. And sometimes you're just
47:47
Speaker 1: hoping to get that one, that one culture, that one
47:50
Speaker 1: Philly to just carry on the line. I mean it's hard.
47:54
Speaker 1: Very few brood mares continue to throw great at stakes winners.
47:58
Speaker 1: The Dinner Revel I know you spoke to and we
48:01
Speaker 1: did a story with you wrote a few weeks ago
48:04
Speaker 1: about the most expensive horse that was ever bought and
48:09
Speaker 1: the bidding war that went on for this horse, Grusiagy
48:13
Speaker 1: Pegasus goes for seventy million dollars. Like in the seven
48:19
Speaker 1: years you guys have been doing this. Now you see
48:22
Speaker 1: prices getting bit up, the markets are exploding, and those
48:27
Speaker 1: explain like what it's like to be in sort of
48:29
Speaker 1: the bidding process a horse that you really want. Well,
48:32
Speaker 1: if you're in this sport, you're competitive, right, I was
48:35
Speaker 1: competitive as and actually you you you I hate to
48:37
Speaker 1: use the word wind when it comes to bidding war,
48:39
Speaker 1: but you want to you want to win. You want
48:42
Speaker 1: obviously if you're bidding for you really want that horse.
48:45
Speaker 1: I don't think sometimes my bloodstock agents want my family
48:48
Speaker 1: there just because my mom will say more bit more bid.
48:53
Speaker 1: At some point though, you have to you have a
48:56
Speaker 1: price on that horse, and you may go up fifty
49:00
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand, whatever increments it is. You have to
49:03
Speaker 1: have a bottom line else it gets out of control.
49:06
Speaker 1: But yeah, when you're there, it's excitement. You know you
49:09
Speaker 1: want that horse. Your Bloodstucke agents have done all the work, vetting,
49:13
Speaker 1: everything else that goes along with having a horse on
49:16
Speaker 1: your short list, so they've obviously jumped through the hoops
49:19
Speaker 1: and you want that horse. So it's competitive, it's exciting,
49:22
Speaker 1: it's exhilarated. So you guys had a massive year in
49:25
Speaker 1: two thousand. Explain to people what happened on the track
49:28
Speaker 1: for you guys. Two big races that you want in
49:30
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. Obviously we'll start with Coffeffi. She's a
49:34
Speaker 1: great story. She she broke her maiden. Maybe the hype
49:37
Speaker 1: was there first time out. We we flew to Churchill
49:40
Speaker 1: actually to see her race, which we we rarely do.
49:43
Speaker 1: She as they announced, he said, Trump the competition. I
49:47
Speaker 1: think most people know she got her name Donald Trump's
49:50
Speaker 1: infamous midnight tweet a friend of mine in California, New
49:55
Speaker 1: I loved naming horses after interesting comments, so he actually
50:00
Speaker 1: reserved the name for me. Called me in the morning,
50:02
Speaker 1: he said, here you have it. We had it on
50:04
Speaker 1: reserved it. It just worked out perfectly for a horse
50:07
Speaker 1: with talent, the damn antics, the sire into mischief, it
50:11
Speaker 1: all just worked. She broke her maiden impressively. We think
50:15
Speaker 1: we ran her back too short in the Frizette. We
50:18
Speaker 1: were disappointed. She went off the favorite, and when you
50:20
Speaker 1: win your first race the way she did, your hoping
50:23
Speaker 1: for another big effort. But shipping her to Belmont on
50:27
Speaker 1: a tough track, it was, you know, we were disappointed,
50:30
Speaker 1: but we gave her time off. She went back to
50:32
Speaker 1: the mccathin brothers who broke her as a two year old.
50:36
Speaker 1: We were just hoping that she got back to form.
50:38
Speaker 1: She ran a Keenland and allowance race. It was it
50:41
Speaker 1: was a good race. It wasn't oh my god. But
50:44
Speaker 1: then the mis preakness happened and it was everything we thought.
50:49
Speaker 1: She was, I mean, breaking the track record. She didn't
50:51
Speaker 1: even look like she was right. I mean, she she
50:53
Speaker 1: she looked like she was in air. It was such
50:56
Speaker 1: an impressive race, and that's when we knew, yeah, we
50:58
Speaker 1: we have that horse. Then you know, she went on
51:01
Speaker 1: to win the Test against a really great I mean
51:05
Speaker 1: against the Kentucky Oaks winner, and then the dog would
51:08
Speaker 1: and obviously the Breeders Cup. From the one post, it's
51:11
Speaker 1: everything you want to accomplish in the sport. It was
51:14
Speaker 1: the most amazing feeling in the world, really, and then,
51:18
Speaker 1: of course a couple of races later united in the
51:22
Speaker 1: Breeders Cup. I don't even I can't even think of
51:24
Speaker 1: the actual name of the race. But we knew he
51:27
Speaker 1: was gonna run a big race. I know the odds were,
51:31
Speaker 1: you know, forty to one or something, but he had,
51:34
Speaker 1: he had been training so great. I honestly was not
51:36
Speaker 1: surprised how he ran and man if first and Mortar
51:39
Speaker 1: doesn't get out, he wins the Breeders Cup. So just
51:43
Speaker 1: an amazing day and obviously Country House everyone knows the
51:46
Speaker 1: story there. I don't want to get into the stewards.
51:49
Speaker 1: But again another course, we knew was going to run
51:52
Speaker 1: a big race. I don't know why I didn't bet him.
51:54
Speaker 1: I don't like to bet my own horses. But once
51:56
Speaker 1: Flavian got him in the race, and he wasn't in
51:59
Speaker 1: the back, which usually is. I I've had a good
52:02
Speaker 1: feeling and I think we know the rest of history
52:04
Speaker 1: had a ran wide. He ran, you know, for a
52:08
Speaker 1: great trainer, and it was difficult. It was hard to
52:12
Speaker 1: win the derby that way. Really. People don't get that,
52:14
Speaker 1: but I've always said, I think the connections had, you know,
52:17
Speaker 1: the McFadden's shields. My my family handled it a ton
52:21
Speaker 1: of class and we're proud of him. So so Country
52:25
Speaker 1: House wins the Kentucky Derby. It was a controversial ending.
52:28
Speaker 1: It's played a little bit for people like what it's
52:30
Speaker 1: like when you're in it, because not everyone sort of
52:33
Speaker 1: remember or understanding like you're so specifically in the middle
52:36
Speaker 1: of that. We were on the box watching it and
52:39
Speaker 1: for that moment you're you're just like, holy crap, I'm
52:42
Speaker 1: going to win the Kentucky Derby. And then Maximum Security
52:46
Speaker 1: gets in front of him. We were thrilled with second.
52:50
Speaker 1: I had videos of us basically crying. I mean, he
52:53
Speaker 1: ran the race of his life, so we were we
52:56
Speaker 1: were thrilled. And then the inquiry comes up, and I
52:59
Speaker 1: feel when you're watching a race from you know, the
53:01
Speaker 1: side and not head on it's really hard to see
53:04
Speaker 1: what the horses are doing. I remember talking to Madison Scott,
53:08
Speaker 1: who works with us now she's awesome. She said, there's
53:11
Speaker 1: there's They're just there. There's no way they're taking him down.
53:14
Speaker 1: But I again, I don't think any of us. So
53:15
Speaker 1: the angles and the longer it went on, you start
53:19
Speaker 1: Usually when it's longer, you know that a change may happen.
53:23
Speaker 1: Guinness and Lisa mcfadd and the majority owners of the
53:26
Speaker 1: horse went down just to be with the jockey, then
53:29
Speaker 1: trainer and just in case he got put up, and
53:32
Speaker 1: of course we all know he did and it was insane,
53:36
Speaker 1: it really I don't even remember the whole celebration on
53:42
Speaker 1: the track or in the area where the derby winner
53:45
Speaker 1: walks around, but that must have a big deal on
53:48
Speaker 1: if you're in the breeding business. Your horse went to
53:51
Speaker 1: the Kentucky Derby like that must have a huge impact
53:54
Speaker 1: on stud fees for that horse. Now right, well, it's
53:57
Speaker 1: tough with him because afterwards he got pneumonia out of
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Speaker 1: the race and had some other issues and unfortunately we
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Speaker 1: didn't get to raise him again, which really was disappointing
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Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. One you want to prove
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Speaker 1: to the world, to the world that he was worthy
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Speaker 1: of being a Derby champion. He was a horse that
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Speaker 1: was bred to get better in time, he was still
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Speaker 1: growing into his body. He would have won big races
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Speaker 1: going forward, and of course that would have increased his
54:24
Speaker 1: stallion value. But because of how things went down, you know,
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Speaker 1: obviously his stallion the hell you isn't maybe as high
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Speaker 1: as it could have been. But we're we're going to
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Speaker 1: give him a chance. We're gonna breed to him. I
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Speaker 1: don't think let's mentioned where he's gonna stand, and I'm
54:39
Speaker 1: not obviously going to mention that if it's not public,
54:42
Speaker 1: but there's no reason why he can't hit it. We'll see,
54:45
Speaker 1: all right. So you've got country House and you've got
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Speaker 1: KVIFI in two thousand nineteen and Vifi like we're doing
54:52
Speaker 1: this contest with you. We were super excited because you're
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Speaker 1: so original and how you name the horses you mentioned
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Speaker 1: like a friend of yours registered for you overnight after
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Speaker 1: Trump tweeted that sort of nonsensical phrase. And it just
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Speaker 1: happens to be like the perfect marriage of name that
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Speaker 1: gets attention and horse that is really really good. You know,
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Speaker 1: I always think good horses made great names. But in
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Speaker 1: this case, you know, it was already a great name
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Speaker 1: and it just happened to work out in every aspect.
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Speaker 1: And I can't tell you how much that never happens.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how it did. I'm not even going
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Speaker 1: to question it. It just was, it was. It was perfect.
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Speaker 1: She's a fan favorite. I absolutely love it. That's how
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Speaker 1: I got into the sport. So for me, it's full circle.
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Speaker 1: So explain to people like, we've got now got this
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Speaker 1: horse and before you go, we've got the grant great
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Speaker 1: grandson of Secretariat that you own, and that a fan
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Speaker 1: is going to name. What are your expectations here? Well,
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Speaker 1: obviously a creative name, I hope, because if I was
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Speaker 1: my family was naming him, I'm sure that it would
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Speaker 1: be it would be good. So I hope that someone
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Speaker 1: comes up with a really clever name, because I think
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Speaker 1: all horses, no matter what their talent level is, deserved
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Speaker 1: great names. There's nothing that bothers me more than just
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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe those names are important to that person.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's some of them just don't
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Speaker 1: make any sense. Well, listen, I hope our fans don't
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Speaker 1: let you down, thank you, thank you very much for
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Speaker 1: giving everyone of the chance to do this. Um, it's
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Speaker 1: really cool. Someone's gonna have a blast. Or that they've
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Speaker 1: named a thoroughbred for the owners of some pretty high
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Speaker 1: profile horses that want some pretty big races. So Jamie,
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Speaker 1: thanks for coming out. Yeah, it's exciting. I think it's
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Speaker 1: great for the sports. So someone come up with a
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Speaker 1: good name. This has been the favorites from the Action Network.
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