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Knicks' Unlikely Surge & the Spurs' Timeless Culture: A Wild Catch-Up · The Regulars

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Friends, Romans, lend us your ears.
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It has been way too long
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since you sat down on a Tuesday night
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and had a drink with your good friends.
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It's time for The Regulars.
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I'm Cody Decker.
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I'm Tanya Rae Fox,
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and I'm the reason that it's been so long.
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Oh, and we will.
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Since you've seen your friends.
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Oh, we will get into it
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because I cannot wait to hear about High School Reunion.
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I can't wait to hear about your life as a Disney adult.
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And I can't wait to just hear
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about your overall traveling escapades.
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Yeah, there's a lot going on.
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And also, I can't wait to find out
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why we can't do the show next Monday as well,
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because you're traveling again.
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So we will only be doing the show this week on Tuesday,
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Thursday, and then next week we're back on Friday.
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Yeah, right.
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And I mean, listen, it's not my fault that I'm popular.
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Right?
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It helps us all.
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You're getting popular.
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Hey, we're all doing some stuff.
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Yeah, we're doing things.
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The Regulars are doing things,
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and that's a good thing.
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But we're going to stay the regular.
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I don't know, summertime, things popping up, but-
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I can't wait to find out what this is.
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I really can't wait to find out what this is.
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I mean, I guess I don't want to make it seem
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like it's that crazy.
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I'm assuming you're going to,
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are you going to an awards ceremony?
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No.
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Are you going to a sports event?
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No.
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Are you going to, where the fuck are you going?
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There is going to be an awards type thing there,
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but not for me.
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But there will be that happening.
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Holy shit.
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I can't wait to find out.
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That's a tease, ladies and gentlemen.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we will find out
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what exactly is taking place.
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But listen, it's been a wild couple of weeks.
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Obviously, we've got a lot to catch up on.
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We have a new segment today,
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which we're calling Catch-Up Quarter,
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where we actually are going to catch up
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on all the things that are taking place.
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And a lot going on with me, a lot going on with you.
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So why waste any more time?
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Let's just get right into it.
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And let's get to tonight's first headline, Tanya Ray.
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Take it away.
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The New York Knicks just played
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the most dominant 10-game stretch in NBA history.
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They are in the finals for the first time since 1999.
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And New York is ecstatic.
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Yes.
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No one predicted this in the lead-up to the post,
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to the post-season, in our leading up conversations.
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We knew that the Knicks were probably
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the best shot outside the Celtics.
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And once the Celtics went down-
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But once the Celtics went down,
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because we all thought Celtics.
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We thought a healthy-ish Celtics
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after the season that they just had.
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I thought it was, honestly, I thought it was a layup,
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considering the fact that I thought the Eastern Conference,
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let's be real clear, the Eastern Conference
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is a couple of steps below the Western Conference
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as of right now.
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So it's funny because the parody
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in the Eastern Conference is more
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because you don't have the teams like the Thunder
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and the Spurs and whatever.
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And they held their own, actually,
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against the West in head-to-head games as conferences.
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Yes, they did.
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So that was helpful, I think, in the playoff.
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Obviously, the thing is, the Knicks are hitting this,
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they're doing the exact thing we said that they had to do,
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which is take advantage of the fact
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that you have this team that is put together right now
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that works really well together
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and go on a heater against these somewhat subpar
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Eastern Conference teams.
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Not saying they're not playoff-worthy or caliber,
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but let's be real,
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there's a little bit of an easier path here.
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We've seen it and it happens.
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Let's be real, the Hawks are not the Lakers.
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No.
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The Philadelphia 76ers are not the Denver Nuggets.
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No, and it's so funny because when the Knicks were up,
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when the Knicks were playing the Sixers,
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I put out and then I was rooting for the Sixers, whatever,
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because I'm anti, I'm not gonna root for New York, right?
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I'm gonna root for the Sixers.
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I understand you're a Boston girl.
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I'll root for the Sixers and whatever.
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And then they got their asses absolutely handed to them.
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And then in this series,
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I wasn't really rooting for anybody
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because there's no way you can get me
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to root for a James Harden playoff team.
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It's not happening.
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Well, don't worry.
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Don't worry.
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He did everything he could to keep you from doing it.
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Right, but I love Cat.
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You and I both love Cat.
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I'm a huge fan of Cat.
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So I was like, I found myself rooting for Cat.
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How do you not?
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And I have, of course, so many friends from New York.
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I have way more friends from New York and Philly
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and these places than I do from Cleveland.
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Dude, I lived right up the block
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from Madison Square Garden.
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And I'm not kidding.
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When I say up the block,
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I mean, Madison Square Garden is on, what, 34th and 8th.
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I lived on 50th and 8th.
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It was a very quick 10-minute walk for me
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to go to Madison Square Garden.
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Yes, and so you start to,
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and then I start feeling myself kind of rooted for,
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and I'm like, is this happening?
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And I've been trying to track
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how people are handling the Knicks being in the finals,
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right, because it's the first time in 27 years.
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They haven't won a title since 1973, I believe.
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This is a long-suffering fan base.
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Yes, they haven't won a title since 1973
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and they've only been to two finals since then.
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Right, and no, was that the last title they won?
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And then, okay, they've only been-
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Only been to two since.
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It is, it's a long-suffering fan base
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despite the fact that they're in New York and hated.
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And for me, I'm having this weird experience
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of trying to track how people are reacting to it
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because I thought more people would be pro-Knicks,
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especially if they play the Thunder,
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but we don't know who they're gonna play yet.
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And I think people are a little bit hesitant
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to get on the Knicks bandwagon
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before we know who they're playing.
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And we're gonna get into that in our second topic,
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so I don't wanna get too far into Knicks.
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Of course.
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Into Thunder Spurs, but I do think that it's,
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I hate to say this, I really, really do.
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I'm having a hard time not rooting for the Knicks.
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Because they're fucking fun.
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They are, I love Brunson, he's fantastic.
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Yeah, and Brunson's probably my fifth favorite person
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to watch on that team right now.
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Josh Hart, you know what I think of Kat.
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Josh Hart's basketball IQ is insane.
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Some of the stuff he does is nuts.
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The fact that Brunson Hart and Mikael Bridges
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have all been together since their Nova days.
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This is, I don't know.
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I don't know how you can watch this team
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and not kind of be like, aw.
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It's not about the team.
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I'll tell you why I'm not rooting for the Knicks.
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Have you met Knicks fans?
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There you go.
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That is exactly why I'm not rooting for the team.
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I know, but that's what people say about Celtics fans.
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So it's not like I come from a-
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No, no, no, no.
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The difference between Celtics fans.
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Now keep in mind, I'm not sitting here
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pretending I love you guys either.
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No, I know.
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I do not.
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But you guys have a lot of championships
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to have your kind of guff and your attitude
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about how you do things.
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Oh, I see what you're saying, yeah.
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The balls on Knicks fans.
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The balls, the utter gall on Knicks fans.
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To walk around talking about how you guys
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know more ball than everybody else, yada, yada, yada.
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We're Knicks fans.
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We play in the street.
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I watched White Mamba absolutely dominate
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your best street ball guy like he was a child
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like three months ago.
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I can't stress this enough.
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I cannot stand Knicks fans.
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I cannot stress enough how much they drive me nuts
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considering the fact they think they're the Yankees somehow.
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You mentioned 1973?
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Yeah.
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That's a long fucking time ago.
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That's all I'm saying.
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That was two me's ago.
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Yeah, well that's-
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I'm old.
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So there are two types of Knicks fans
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and there are those ones who,
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as soon as they start winning,
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there's like that weird entitlement.
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But it comes from, I've seen this before.
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I've seen this in different fan bases.
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They are taking the Yankees
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and like the winning part of their legacy-
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And applying it to their basketball team?
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Yes, yeah, that's what they do.
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Which is really funny considering the Yankees
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haven't exactly been on a fucking heater
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in the 21st century either.
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Well, they got one title.
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Right.
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And I will also say this,
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baseball has a very specific,
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different type of parody to it now.
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Because at the time, the Yankees, the Bronx Bombers,
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they had a purse that the rest didn't have.
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They had a purse that everyone claims
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the Dodgers only have now.
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Now everybody's got the Yankees money.
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So now it's also about developmental
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and that's where things have kind of changed
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for the Yankees.
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There is, I mean, they're just always gonna be
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a little bit elitist, but it is,
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the thing that's more annoying is that
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if you talk to a Knicks fan outside of when
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they have a little bit of hope,
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they're so downtrodden.
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You'd think that they were Cleveland Browns fans.
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And so like, there's a juxtaposition of like,
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you can't be cocky now after you've been whining
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for the last three years.
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You guys wanted Mike Brown fired two months ago.
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I am exhausted.
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I know.
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I'm exhausted when you're topsy-turvy.
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You guys wanted to kill Kat, literally three weeks ago.
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That's New York sports.
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It's no different.
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I can't talk shit.
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You all owe Kat an apology.
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I cannot talk shit because Boston is just like this.
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I agree.
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They're just like this.
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Well, listen, we're pretty terrible out in LA
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about our Lakers too, but you know what?
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I gotta say, we have our issues.
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Trust me, Laker fans can be very elitist.
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Trust me, I'm one of them.
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We are elitist and we are annoying.
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Lakers fans, and Lakers fans are elitist about shit
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that's like, doesn't even make any sense.
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I agree.
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We have our things.
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We definitely have our issues like everyone else does.
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But at least Lakers fans have witnessed a shit ton
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of rings in your lifetime as Maloney.
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And also, I gotta say this.
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We really do legitimately like our team.
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Like this year, this team finished what?
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Fourth in the Western Conference?
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Yeah.
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I don't, since Kobe's last championship run,
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I have not enjoyed a Lakers season
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as much as I love this season.
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Yeah, but I will say a lot of Lakers fans also
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were just like so shitty about LeBron all season.
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Oh, they're always shitty about LeBron.
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Yeah.
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And like, it's like, all right, well,
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that was the only reason you guys made
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the fucking second round.
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So it is what it is.
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LeBron was amazing this year.
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At the end of the day, I think it's really hard
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to root against this Knicks team.
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The only way I'm, now, this is like,
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so I do wanna make it clear.
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Their run right now is actually insane.
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Not only are they, is this like the most dominant
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10 game stretch, I mean, they charted it out
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and I wish I didn't put it in the show,
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but they charted it out every single one and it's insane.
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Not only is there that, and like, listen,
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these teams have not been strong
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they've been playing against, but like,
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this is still nuts.
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That's not like a normal thing to be able to do.
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But on top of that, they are the eighth team
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in NBA history to outscore their opponents
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by more than 175 points
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through the first 14 games of the postseason.
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Now, here's the thing.
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Each of the previous seven teams that did that
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went on to win the championship.
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Of course, these correlations
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aren't always necessarily there,
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but every team who's ever outscored their opponents
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all the way to the NBA finals prior to this
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has won the championship.
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This is, that is generally because you're on a heater
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and there's a team chemistry, there's vibes,
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there's whatever.
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There's no arguing that if you're going to talk
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about the three teams still left in contention, right?
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So the Knicks are going to come out of the East
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and the two teams in the West,
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but the Knicks are the weakest team
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in terms of like odds to win the finals.
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I think that is an unquestionable thing.
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Even the most diehard Knicks fans,
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although then again, I got into a weird argument
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with them the other day about it, legitimately.
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I actually left the bar
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because I didn't want to deal with this person anymore.
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Actually, it was at O'Brien's.
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I'd be like, close me out.
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I'm not dealing with this child.
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But it was simply this, you're right about this issue.
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Like I was watching ESPN SportsCenter this morning,
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like literally 4 a.m. while I was driving into the show.
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And there was an interesting point made
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by one of the analysts.
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And I really thought your point was very good
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with the exception of one thing
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that I feel like she didn't add.
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And she was like, it's not about the what,
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just about the what, it's also been about the how.
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And she's talking about not just that this team
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has been winning, but how they've been winning
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and how dominant they are.
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She left something out
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that I thought was extremely important though.
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It's also the who.
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And the who is the thing
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that's really concerning me for the Knicks.
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The fact that the Knicks just swept the series
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and now have an eight day day off
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before they take on two teams
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that will be primed and ready to continue rolling.
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Like both of these teams that are gonna be coming in
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are going to be ready to take them on.
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And here's the thing,
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and I actually asked this about Derek Fisher
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because I said to him after game three,
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one thing and then after game four,
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we both looked at each other and said something
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and I was actually surprised we had this take.
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I initially said, if I'm a Knicks fan,
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I'm rooting for the Spurs.
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I'm rooting for the Spurs
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because the Oklahoma City Thunder
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will dismantle the Knicks, dismantle them, I thought.
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The only issue with the Spurs is that's Wembley
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and that's a problem.
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That being said, seeing what Wembley's been doing
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to the OKC, I am not certain
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they want to run into the Spurs.
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I don't think they want the smoke
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from either of these goddamn teams.
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Well, so the cool thing about the Knicks
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before we move on to the West
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is that they do want the smoke.
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That's the thing about the Knicks
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is they truly don't give a fuck.
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Oh, they don't, I love them.
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I think they're great.
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They can get swept, right?
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Like, I don't know, right?
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But they have such an air of like,
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we're out here and ready to ball.
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Part of that is a Mike Brown thing.
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He's got them passing the ball a lot.
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I thought they had that kind of last year, though, too.
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Mike Brown's got them moving the ball around a lot.
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They're passing it so much more,
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which gives them so much more freedom
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and like lightness to the way that they're playing.
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And it also gives them the opportunity
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to build on the chemistry that pre-exists
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with so many of their players.
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And so they're a very don't give a fuck team.
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And I guess, you know, listen,
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going up against one of those teams
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is going to take a matchup.
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It's going to take a lot of drawing some things up.
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It's going to take adjustments.
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It's going to take, it's going to test Mike Brown.
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But like, you know, and the rest, sure.
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The rest is definitely, that's a long time to wait.
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It's always a little bit of,
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I don't like the length in between the final,
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the Eastern Conference Finals or the Western Conference.
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By the way, I did ask Derek about this, Derek Fisher.
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And he was, I was very clear.
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I'm like, really, honestly, is this a thing?
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And he just be like, dude, it's actually a thing.
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It's the rust will be very real to them.
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And he used, and he cited this very wisely,
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game one of the Eastern Conference Finals.
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What the Knicks were in that first half of that game
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was a very massive juxtaposition
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of what they did in the second half.
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Which, okay, maybe they do start out,
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maybe they go down 0-2.
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This team is so capable of winning four games in a row.
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I agree, I agree with that.
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So it's like, so it's interesting.
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But here's the thing.
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So I'm just going to get it out
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before we go to the next topic.
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If it's the Thunder, if they are facing the Thunder,
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I'm putting on record, I'm rooting for the goddamn Knicks.
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I'm not.
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And I hate the Thunder.
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If it's the Spurs, if it's the Spurs, it's-
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I don't want to listen to New York Knicks fans
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all off season.
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I really don't.
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Yeah, I don't mind that.
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Again, like, I know that your Lakers system
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isn't built for this, but like-
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I'd rather listen to Boston fans
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celebrate all season long.
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I'd rather watch that.
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I would have rather you guys had another pet parade
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in Boston.
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You've already seen it so much.
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I have, I'm used to it.
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It's fine, I don't care.
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You're like, ah, it's old hat.
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It kind of makes me go like,
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well, now it's our turn type of thing.
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No, I don't, I don't.
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Knicks fans, also the audacity.
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And I'm actually going to not throw my friend,
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Rick, Craig Carton under the bus,
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but I'm going to cite Craig Carton.
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There's something Craig Carton always brings up
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and it's about Philly fans.
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He's like all those-
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Is he a Knicks fan?
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He's a big Knicks fan.
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He's like all those animals in Philly,
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you know, they get a celebration
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and they act like they're doing all these things.
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They had their climbing poles, embarrassing themselves.
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Craig, I watched, I saw the video
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of outside Madison Square Garden.
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There's a lot of pole climbing going on
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around Madison Square Garden.
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There's always pole climbing in these Northeastern-
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I know, but you can't get mad at Philly
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when you guys are just as culpable.
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I'm not saying it's a bad thing or a good thing.
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I'm just saying you do the exact same thing.
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Everybody in New York is like bragging about how like,
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Manhattan's going to be insane,
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New York's going to be insane,
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the city's going to be insane.
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And they are right.
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They would be nuts.
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They are right, but you can't brag about it
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and then be like, oh, but the animals in Philly.
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And to be fair, I mean, to Craig's credit,
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nobody fucks up a city like Philly.
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Like, they are weird.
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They are weird.
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Like, they get weird.
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He's not wrong.
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They party hard.
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And to be fair, Knick fans haven't had a chance to party.
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And I will say this, and I do agree with Craig
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and a lot of people when they say this,
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if the Knicks were to win the finals,
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the parade for that will be the most packed
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New York City has ever been.
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That is the quintessential Boston team.
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Yeah, it's the last one.
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But it's the quintessential New York team, sorry.
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It's like, that's their sort of like, you know,
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the Rangers and the Yankees and whoever else.
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Like, right now, the Knicks in the zeitgeist
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and sort of like how long they've been waiting,
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that's the team that they want.
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Yeah, and trust me, living in New York,
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the years I did, if you put a championship in that city,
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and that's the thing.
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Like, New York Yankees, when they win a championship,
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yeah, it's awesome, but it is up in the Bronx.
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A championship in the dead, smack dab middle of Manhattan.
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Dude, that place is going to be chaotic for like a month.
16:52
I mean, it's already chaotic.
16:54
Mocha just got back from there.
16:55
Mocha, can you imagine if the Knicks win the championship?
16:59
I'm going back.
17:00
He's going to be a Knicks fan.
17:01
He's switching teams.
17:03
We had a good run with Mocha.
17:06
It's fine, if we lose him to New York,
17:07
I'll follow you out there.
17:08
It's a great place to be lost.
17:09
I love me some New York, it really is great.
17:11
So that's it for headline number one,
17:13
but headline number two is relatively adjacent.
17:15
Yeah, I want to talk.
17:16
I just do want to talk about the West a little bit
17:18
because there's a couple of things going on.
17:21
There's two specific things I wanted to ask you
17:23
and talk to you about.
17:25
The first is we have noticed,
17:27
and everybody has noticed increasingly,
17:29
that Shea Gilders-Alexander is falling a lot.
17:34
Like, to the point where there are super cuts,
17:36
massive, like crazy edits, right?
17:39
And we know about this.
17:40
We know about the flopping.
17:41
This is not new.
17:42
Everybody's complaining about it.
17:43
But as it's gone on through the playoffs,
17:45
it has aggravated people more and more.
17:48
Last year, it seemed like it was like a regular
17:50
sort of situation that we were whining about.
17:52
It has gotten to the point where people are genuinely
17:54
not enjoying watching the games.
17:55
Like everybody's, it's just under people's skin.
17:58
The numbers are there.
18:00
He's falling a lot more in the series against the Spurs.
18:03
Likely because they were playing more physical.
18:05
Likely because you have the Wemby factor.
18:06
There's a lot of reasons.
18:07
This is clearly strategic.
18:08
Yes, but I can't stress this enough.
18:12
I have seen every super cut.
18:13
Okay.
18:15
Some of it looks really bad.
18:17
Really bad?
18:18
Like really.
18:19
There are literal shots where SGA specifically
18:24
folds up like a chair.
18:26
Like he just folds up in like a suitcase on the ground
18:29
as if he was shot 17 times.
18:32
I've never.
18:34
It's something.
18:35
Cody, I've never seen anything like it.
18:36
It's something.
18:37
And I'm not, you know I'm not like that.
18:39
I'm not hyperbolic when it comes to like anything
18:43
an athlete is doing because realistically
18:45
I don't put these guys on a pedestal
18:47
as players to begin with.
18:48
Me neither.
18:49
I've never seen anything like what SGA does.
18:52
And I know Thunder fans get so in their feelings about it.
18:56
And the fact of the matter is I'm, you can,
18:58
I'm not telling you not to fucking reform it.
19:00
And I'm not telling you he's not a great basketball player.
19:02
I've just never seen anything like that.
19:04
Yeah, and by the way, Thunder fans get off your high horse
19:07
and try to defend it.
19:08
It's okay that he does it.
19:09
It sucks.
19:10
I don't like that he does it just like I'm a Luka fan.
19:13
Lakers go Luka.
19:15
Man, that man complains a lot.
19:16
I'd like him to complain a lot less.
19:18
Like, and the fact of the matter is
19:21
Shay is going to hurt himself.
19:22
The, the, like he lets his feet get out
19:24
from underneath him on purpose to fall.
19:26
Like in a way I've, it's like, dude
19:29
you are good enough at basketball.
19:30
I don't understand what this is.
19:31
It's very frustrating to watch.
19:32
And it's been increasing during this
19:35
to the point where you can see the frustration
19:36
with the Spurs players and whatever else.
19:38
And I think it's, so I think it's a fascinating
19:42
juxtaposition because the, the Thunder have been built
19:46
incredibly well for a long time now.
19:49
Like they are one of the best run franchises in pro sports.
19:54
And they're not going anywhere
19:55
because they have more draft picks coming.
19:57
Right. Like, I mean, this is the same.
19:58
They, I mean, they brought in, you know
20:00
they got Katie when they were in Seattle
20:02
but then they brought in Russell Westbrook
20:04
James Harden, those three MVPs that this GM
20:06
like just had under his belt.
20:08
And then the fourth with, with SGA.
20:11
And now they've got, this is an incredibly
20:12
well-run franchise.
20:13
And I think it's really fascinating to look
20:14
at them compared to the Spurs who, you know, there's this
20:18
this clip that I, I watched of Wemby where they ask him
20:23
if he's tired and like, if he feels like, you know
20:28
kind of overwhelmed by the, you know
20:32
like the pressure of the history in, in the Spurs
20:35
organization with, you know, pop and whatever.
20:38
And he said, I, it makes me feel safe
20:41
that like he feels very like supported
20:44
and protected by that organization.
20:47
And I have to be honest.
20:50
And I, and this is kind of what I want to ask you is like
20:53
you know, so pop was in there
20:55
after game three, giving them the speech
20:57
and apparently ripped into according to, according to Fox
21:00
he was adamant.
21:01
Like pop came in there was like, Oh, we're in trouble.
21:04
Pop comes in and they just, and like the
21:07
the adjustments for a game for insane
21:09
which by the way, pop also did to Wemby
21:12
in his car after the ejection, a couple of weeks
21:15
he pulled up in front of them
21:16
and gave him a talking to him public.
21:18
It was like
21:20
and then there's also the shots of pop and Tim Duncan up
21:24
in the, in the box and they're together talking.
21:27
And they're obviously Tim Duncan and David Robinson.
21:31
And there's this paternal sort of the grandfather
21:35
and the father and the like
21:36
there's this structure around the Spurs
21:39
that's Greg Popovich built from the ground up.
21:41
Every player that's come through the Spurs organization
21:44
since he was hired in 1996 until now.
21:46
And the entire organization itself is built
21:49
around the ethos and the morality
21:52
and the like basketball ethic of Greg Popovich.
21:56
And I have to, and watching Wemby function
21:59
the way that he is in this system.
22:01
I want to know if you feel like there is any
22:06
modern sports culture more effective
22:10
and more goaded at this point than Greg Popovich Spurs.
22:13
Nope. I mean this from the bottom of my heart
22:15
and I've talked to other NBA guys about it.
22:18
Obviously, you know, my history
22:19
with Michelle Beatle and what she talks about.
22:21
She's his spouses for years, like just for years
22:23
talk about this culture that is here.
22:24
And it's based all around with pop and how he's done.
22:27
And the safety that Wemby brings up is,
22:30
I don't know what else to say.
22:32
This is like the most real thing that exists in sports.
22:35
I think Steve Kerr has done a decent job of, you know
22:38
kind of manifesting a similar thing.
22:40
Although a lot of infighting that takes place.
22:42
So then probably a lot of that has to do
22:44
with Draymond Green and probably, but at the end
22:46
of the day, like, yeah, the Spurs are different.
22:49
You know, we see these Knicks games right now.
22:50
It's cool seeing some Knicks legends show up at the games
22:53
but they're not there on a random Tuesday.
22:55
You know, they're there for the playoffs.
22:57
They're there for the runs.
22:58
Every one of these Nick legends are, I mean
23:00
that Spurs legends are like random Tuesday games.
23:03
They live there.
23:04
They are a part of this family.
23:05
And they're not going to leave pop, right?
23:06
So they're all there for pop.
23:08
Tim Duncan's been helping him rehab post-stroke.
23:11
That's like, they're like father and son.
23:12
It's unbelievable.
23:13
I've never seen anything like it.
23:14
I've never seen anything like it either.
23:15
And I feel like we don't talk about like
23:17
that's what I'm saying.
23:18
I think he is, I think this might be the greatest culture
23:21
ever built by one man in any team sport.
23:23
Yeah, like you hear heat culture.
23:25
And I've been told that heat culture
23:26
is a very real thing too.
23:27
That's what Pat Riley's built.
23:29
Pat and Spoh.
23:30
But apparently-
23:31
That's two people though
23:32
because it doesn't work without Spoh.
23:33
You're right.
23:34
This is all pop.
23:35
You're right.
23:36
It's all pop.
23:36
But like, listen, I don't, I won't say
23:38
that I know all the inner workings of Pat Riley
23:40
but there's also whether,
23:42
and this is not about your politics
23:43
but there is a, use the word morality.
23:46
There is a morality to Greg Popovich
23:48
that I don't think exists elsewhere.
23:51
Right.
23:52
And there is a wisdom to Greg Popovich
23:53
that I don't think exists elsewhere.
23:55
And there's just, it's like
23:57
there has never been a better team suited
24:00
for a leadership culture
24:03
that has been set forth by Greg Popovich.
24:05
Yeah.
24:06
And seeing how the coaching staff now
24:08
works underneath that, you know, overarching
24:11
which others would probably see as a shadow.
24:13
Yeah.
24:14
But it's not, it's like a warm blanket to these guys.
24:18
And I, it almost brings tears to my eyes
24:21
that my Raider, my late, my, sorry,
24:23
my Lakers culture isn't exactly like
24:25
I love what the Lakers culture is, but it's not this.
24:28
And this is like, it's, it's special.
24:30
It's a legitimately special thing.
24:32
And I want to root against the Spurs
24:35
because I am a Laker fan.
24:36
I find it impossible to do so.
24:38
Like you were mentioning about the Knicks.
24:40
That's how I'm feeling about the Spurs right now.
24:41
Yeah. And I wouldn't be able to root against the Spurs.
24:42
That's why the only way I can root for the Knicks
24:44
is if they're against the Thunder
24:45
because the Spurs really do have such a,
24:47
it, I, everything you said is perfect.
24:50
That's exactly what it is,
24:51
to have a professional sports culture,
24:54
especially men's sports,
24:56
where there's so much open love, right?
25:01
And care and like affection.
25:05
Like even that phrase that he used,
25:06
it makes me feel safe.
25:07
That is not a word you hear from a pro athlete,
25:10
especially a superstar pro athlete.
25:13
Like that just said,
25:14
like that word used in a press conference,
25:17
like Dana White must be furious
25:20
that someone had the gall to mention safety in the workplace.
25:24
He should be a man and not say anything
25:26
and go be depressed on his own.
25:28
And that's the thing is,
25:29
Wemby is, he says, I'm not afraid to show my emotions.
25:32
I'm not afraid to be vulnerable.
25:33
And I think, you know, he brought,
25:35
it's like, how was this man drafted
25:38
to the perfect fucking team for him?
25:40
I don't understand.
25:41
Because they tanked for him.
25:41
Like, oh, I know, but like the timing of it
25:45
was so perfect. It really was perfect.
25:47
And for him to land there is so perfect.
25:49
It's just a really beautiful thing.
25:52
And while Pop is still around
25:55
and while he's still a part of the organization,
25:57
I hate to not appreciate it while we're seeing it
26:02
because, you know, Pop, obviously,
26:05
he's not gonna be around forever,
26:07
but the culture that he's instilled,
26:09
obviously into the, like everything,
26:12
everything from their head coaching
26:13
and all of it is promoted from within.
26:15
This is a, the Spurs are kind of like
26:19
an interesting modern example
26:22
of something we don't have anymore.
26:24
Like he's like Vince Lombardi, right?
26:26
Like the Spurs are the house that Pop built.
26:29
And I think that that culture will stand
26:32
for the test of time.
26:34
See, that I'll disagree with.
26:36
Why?
26:37
I don't think it'll last forever.
26:38
I think it'll last years.
26:41
You know how the Green Bay Packers
26:43
have had the same identity our entire lives?
26:44
Absolutely.
26:45
And it was like that before, right?
26:47
Like it's been going on for 70 years.
26:48
No, I hope this does last forever.
26:49
And it's like, regardless of who,
26:52
like we've had turnover after turnover.
26:54
There's something about the Green Bay Packers
26:56
that's the same.
26:57
You are right.
26:58
And it's very unique.
27:00
You are right.
27:01
And I think that that's what happens is like,
27:03
it's maybe it's a little bit metaphysical.
27:06
It might be a little bit metaphysical,
27:07
a little bit universal,
27:08
but there's something when there is this,
27:11
because a big thing about Vince Lombardi
27:13
and that era was that he was also wildly progressive
27:17
for his time.
27:18
Yes.
27:19
One of the only.
27:20
And it's like these people who have a little bit extra,
27:23
bring a little bit of extra ethic and morality
27:26
that it might last forever.
27:29
Maybe, but this is why I don't think
27:31
it's gonna last forever.
27:32
And by the way, I'm sorry that I'm seeing the darkness
27:35
in the future at some point.
27:37
Well, you know.
27:37
Because someday, of course, he will pass on.
27:39
And I think that culture will continue
27:40
to live on for years to come.
27:44
Someday that team will be sold.
27:45
Private equity will eventually probably own that team.
27:48
Oh, that's the Packers difference.
27:49
And that's when it eventually changes.
27:52
The Packers will never be sold.
27:53
That's the difference.
27:54
Someday this team will be sold to a private equity firm.
27:57
That's because that's what it is.
27:59
Okay, as long as it's currently under its ownership.
28:02
Yes.
28:03
But at some point, they're gonna sell.
28:06
Yeah, because I was gonna say,
28:07
you know who else really gives me the same vibe
28:08
is the Chicago Bears.
28:09
Again, been owned by the same family.
28:11
You know who else gives me that vibe right now?
28:12
The San Diego Padres just sold to a couple
28:15
in private equity.
28:16
The Padres don't have that.
28:17
They don't have that aura.
28:19
They don't have that aura, but they have that family.
28:21
Oh, no, no, no, I know.
28:22
But like that idea that like the.
28:23
No, no, no.
28:24
I can't stress enough.
28:25
The Spurs are one of one.
28:27
I'm just talking about like that kind of family
28:29
type of thing.
28:30
Now that Mr. Sadler sadly passed
28:33
and the family sold the team to a couple
28:35
that maintain that they are gonna continue
28:37
the same values that Peter Sadler set.
28:39
I hope that's the case.
28:41
I'm inclined to not believe it's the case,
28:44
but I'm gonna remain hopeful.
28:46
But I've just seen what happens
28:47
when private equity gets involved.
28:49
Well, either way, I'm loving that we're getting
28:52
this era of Pop ushering in the new generation
28:55
with Wembley.
28:55
I couldn't agree more.
28:56
I didn't know we were gonna get it.
28:57
It seemed like we weren't gonna get it.
28:59
It's been amazing.
28:59
When Pop, you know, had his issues.
29:01
And so.
29:02
Can I say I'm enjoying this version even more
29:04
than Pop coaching him.
29:05
Like seeing Pop being like this
29:08
Gandalf figure.
29:10
He's literally Gandalf.
29:12
I mean, that's such a good way to put it.
29:13
Like he disappears and he shows up
29:15
at the last minute at Minnesota.
29:17
And then he's got, I mean,
29:18
and Tim Duncan, like with the gray hair
29:21
and the like, he looks so fucking cool.
29:24
That whole team's cool as hell.
29:25
And then David Robinson's still around, looking great.
29:28
Like still has the best, most defined shoulders
29:31
in the NBA, even now.
29:32
I don't know how.
29:33
The whole thing is iconic.
29:35
So yeah, we, so there we, we know we want the Spurs.
29:38
We want the Spurs.
29:39
We want the Spurs to win it all.
29:40
I definitely want the Spurs.
29:42
We definitely don't want the fucking Thunder.
29:43
I do not want the fucking Thunder.
29:44
I can't watch the flopping anymore.
29:46
The game's about to begin in a few minutes
29:48
and I hope, I hope they start beating the shit out of them.
29:50
You know what?
29:52
Let's see.
29:53
All right, let's get to number three.
29:56
And Tanya, I had actually no idea this was going on.
29:58
I'm really glad you actually spotted this.
29:59
You know, I'm always on it.
30:00
Thank you.
30:01
Thank you.
30:02
Thank you.
30:03
I had no idea.
30:04
I didn't even know the Supreme Court was involved
30:05
with this.
30:06
So please enlighten the people.
30:09
Headline three.
30:10
So the Supreme Court has rejected the NFL's bid
30:12
to move the Brian Flores bias racism claims
30:17
into arbitration.
30:18
So just a quick CliffsNotes,
30:22
Brian Flores, we know about the lawsuit he filed
30:24
against the NFL along with Steve Wilkes,
30:27
a couple other people for racial bias,
30:31
discrimination after he was fired from the Dolphins.
30:34
That has been going through the court system for a minute.
30:38
Originally, it was argued by the court
30:41
that it had to go through arbitration.
30:43
Certain parts of the case
30:44
had to go through NFL arbitration.
30:46
The Second Circuit Court of Appeals said,
30:49
no, this can't go through NFL arbitration.
30:51
It's a conflict of interest.
30:53
Essentially said the NFL's arbitration is illegal.
30:57
Like, I mean, this shit is like not,
30:59
like you can't, no one in their right mind would say
31:01
that this was an unbiased,
31:03
even if you tell us there's a third party.
31:05
The NFL appeals that.
31:07
So it's been going up
31:08
and now they appeal it to the Supreme Court.
31:10
And the Supreme Court has now denied the appeal.
31:18
Essentially now it's a question of whether or not
31:21
this is gonna go, how many appeals?
31:23
I don't think that there's another appeal
31:24
that can happen after this.
31:26
I'm about to say it was higher than the Supreme Court.
31:28
So they've said that it cannot go to arbitration,
31:31
which means now that this goes to open court
31:35
as long as there's no other shenanigans that happen.
31:38
This is a huge win, obviously for Brian Flores.
31:42
Massive win for Brian Flores for diversity in the NFL
31:45
and for the claims.
31:46
Also sounds like he might have something.
31:48
Well, I mean, he absolutely has stuff.
31:51
No, I mean like in writing.
31:55
Well, what do you mean?
31:55
Because they keep denying, I mean,
31:57
this is really just about whether or not
31:59
any sort of lawsuit under these conditions
32:01
are suitable for NFL arbitration.
32:03
I don't know if they're looking specifically
32:05
at any legitimate evidence.
32:07
But the other interesting part of this
32:11
is that the NFL is currently, while this has all happened,
32:14
concurrently cooperating with the Florida Attorney General
32:19
on their investigation into the Rooney Rule.
32:23
They have said they're gonna cooperate.
32:25
Of course they are.
32:26
Right, so originally there was the investigation
32:30
into the Rooney Rule that they said
32:31
that they were gonna potentially launch.
32:32
The NFL changed the wording to the Rooney Rule
32:35
to try to appease the Attorney General.
32:37
The Attorney General came back and said,
32:38
now that you've changed the wording,
32:40
we actually distrust you even more
32:41
because this means that you actually
32:43
were trying to do biased hiring.
32:45
And so now we're gonna launch a full investigation
32:47
and the NFL said that they're going to-
32:48
How is the Rooney Rule biased hiring?
32:50
It's ensuring that people get interviews.
32:53
What the fuck are we talking about?
32:56
I know.
32:57
This is a fucking clown show.
32:58
And it's barely doing that.
32:59
I mean, the Rooney Rule-
33:00
It's barely doing it.
33:01
And I mean barely.
33:02
Is this a fucking joke?
33:04
Yeah.
33:05
Like, did I just fucking take a time machine to 1946?
33:08
Like, are we actually discussing this?
33:10
Well, you know how this administration feels about DEI
33:13
and they think that the Rooney Rule is DEI.
33:14
It's an interview.
33:15
Uh-huh, I'm aware.
33:17
It's not saying you must hire certain,
33:21
it means you must interview a percentage of-
33:25
So here's the thing-
33:26
I feel like I'm taking fucking crazy pills, Mocha.
33:28
You can't, they would never win in court.
33:32
It should never get to court.
33:34
But this is the problem.
33:35
It probably-
33:36
This should have been an email.
33:37
It probably won't,
33:38
because what the Florida Attorney General really wants
33:41
is what he's going to get,
33:42
which is the NFL just having a reason
33:44
to scrap the Rooney Rule altogether
33:46
before it even gets to court.
33:48
And that's what's going to happen,
33:49
because guess what?
33:50
It's not in the CBA.
33:51
It's not contractually necessary.
33:55
And that's what they're, it's a whole thing.
33:57
So while that's happening, this is happening.
34:00
These two things are contradictory, right?
34:03
They're completely contradictory.
34:04
Good, I hope it blows fucking everything up.
34:06
And it is, I mean, open court, NFL and open court,
34:10
I don't think people understand.
34:11
That's, that's a big deal.
34:13
I get cameras in there.
34:14
We rarely get it.
34:15
You better make this an OJ trial.
34:16
We rarely get, well-
34:18
Open, open cameras.
34:19
I want to see everything.
34:19
I want to see the blood.
34:20
I want to see the, I want to see someone put on a glove.
34:23
Meanwhile, Brian Flores is still
34:24
the defensive coordinator of the Vikings.
34:26
Yes, he is.
34:27
One of the best coordinators in the league.
34:28
Has been for years.
34:29
Just like, this is insane.
34:31
The whole thing is insane.
34:32
I forgot about Wilkes and how he got done
34:34
so dirty by Carolina.
34:35
So, no, it was Arizona.
34:37
Oh, Arizona too.
34:38
Jesus, Wilkes really fucking wears it everywhere.
34:41
He got screwed in Arizona.
34:43
Dude, that guy's a hell of a coach.
34:44
He got screwed in Arizona.
34:46
I forgot about the Arizona thing.
34:47
Bad, bad.
34:48
So yeah, this, this is something that I'll be tracking.
34:52
I obviously, you know, I've been staying
34:54
on top of all of this stuff with the,
34:56
any sort of like NFL litigation, NFLPA stuff,
35:00
kind of a beat of mine.
35:02
So I'll be staying on top of it.
35:03
But I do find that these, you know,
35:06
I just want people to understand that
35:07
if this is a situation that does go to court,
35:09
an NFL, a racism case against the NFL in open court,
35:13
the last time that the NFL was sued was by,
35:16
for something to this effect was by Colin Kaepernick
35:18
and there was a settlement.
35:19
So if, and it appears that Brian Flores
35:22
ain't looking for a fucking settlement.
35:23
No, he ain't.
35:25
Oh man, Brian Flores might be owning a franchise
35:28
by the end of this shit.
35:29
You know what?
35:30
That would be great.
35:31
I would love this.
35:32
That would be great.
35:33
Oh my God.
35:34
So yeah.
35:35
Keep your eyes on that and let's hope this,
35:36
let's hope the whole system just kind of burns a little bit.
35:39
All right, let's go over to media corner
35:41
and boy, oh boy, am I excited to talk about this
35:43
because I've noticed a lot of keep your politics out
35:46
of your, my sports crowd is shutting the fuck up this week.
35:50
Oh no, I wish they were shutting up.
35:51
Oh no, it's actually the opposite.
35:52
They're not shutting up.
35:54
They're talking about how great it is when they do it.
35:58
Boomer, Jesus Boomer.
36:00
Okay, Boomer.
36:01
Jesus Boomer.
36:03
Every time.
36:04
I had a tweet a few months,
36:04
like a month ago that went about Boomer
36:06
where I was, he said something ridiculous
36:07
and I think it was about the Olympics.
36:09
And I think I wrote out old guy says old guy shit.
36:12
Like I'm not even, I'm not even mad at Boomer.
36:14
Why are we expecting Boomer to be anything
36:15
but a 60 year old man?
36:16
We talked about it on this show
36:18
cause like there was a bunch of people
36:19
who were going back and forth
36:19
about the keep politics out of sports stuff.
36:21
And then like, you know,
36:22
Cash Patel showed up in the locker room.
36:24
In the locker room drinking beer like a fiend.
36:26
Oh, this is fine.
36:27
And yeah, which leads to the story
36:29
of the great Jackson Dart,
36:31
who's accomplished all these things
36:33
in the NFL doing what he did.
36:36
Take it away, Tanya.
36:37
Yeah, so in case you didn't know Jackson Dart,
36:39
the quarterback of the Giants
36:41
who is, was a rookie last season.
36:45
They won four games, I believe last season.
36:46
So, you know, real whatever.
36:49
He introduced Donald Trump at a rally.
36:53
No, no, no, no, no, no.
36:54
I want to make this abundantly clear.
36:55
He was pleasured to do so.
36:57
He was pleasured to do so.
36:58
Direct quote, his words, not mine.
37:00
He was pleasured.
37:01
Okay, you ever been pleasured by things?
37:05
Never by Trump.
37:06
No, well, he was pleasured by introducing him.
37:09
So that's a thing to be pleasured by.
37:11
Honestly, that sounds like something Trump would love.
37:13
He probably, well yeah, he was pleasured.
37:15
That's great.
37:15
Trump loves an accidentally homoerotic phrase.
37:18
Pleasured.
37:19
Direct quote.
37:20
Yeah.
37:21
So he was pleasured to introduce Donald Trump at a rally.
37:24
Did a try to do a go big blue chant.
37:26
That fell kind of flat.
37:28
It was a, very clearly he was there
37:31
to stump for Donald Trump.
37:32
And also for the, there was like another politician
37:36
who was, that was actually who they were
37:38
they're rallying for regardless.
37:40
Who's even fucking worse somehow.
37:43
Anyways.
37:44
Yes.
37:45
Abdul Carter, his teammate, defensive end
37:48
drafted in the same year, rookie, all pro, all rookie team.
37:55
Very good.
37:56
Yeah, he's very good.
37:57
He was a little thrown by this behavior
38:00
and said, essentially, what is up with this?
38:02
I thought this was AI.
38:03
Like what the hell, man?
38:04
And that caused a whole scene.
38:07
Some people saying good for Abdul Carter
38:10
for calling him out because he's there supporting
38:13
Donald Trump, who's a racist among 4 million other things.
38:17
And the people like our guy, Boomer Esiason,
38:21
who was after all, spending all the winter Olympics.
38:24
Boy, he was not short on, you know,
38:28
anti-political opinions just three months ago.
38:31
He could not stop talking about it.
38:32
Boy, can't believe these athletes
38:35
would say anything about politics.
38:37
Man, they're athletes.
38:38
Shut up and skate one.
38:39
Why don't you?
38:41
Just represent your country.
38:42
Okay, well, not only did he not just,
38:47
he could have just gone on
38:48
and defended Jackson Dart's decision,
38:50
but that's not what he decided to do, Cody.
38:52
He decided to say that this was a real error
38:56
by Abdul Carter, not on the part of Jackson Dart.
38:59
This has been the most fascinating, gaslighting shit
39:04
I've seen some people in the media do.
39:05
And he's not the only one, by the way.
39:07
There are so many people trying to take this stance
39:10
that the clubhouse is a sacred place.
39:14
Fuck you.
39:16
You've never stepped foot in a clubhouse,
39:17
the majority of you.
39:18
I have.
39:19
The clubhouse is not a sacred place.
39:21
If you buy that, you're a fucking idiot.
39:24
You're a fucking idiot.
39:26
And when I stepped in there,
39:27
they were also like, why are you here?
39:28
Yes, like, you know what the clubhouse is for?
39:31
Getting fucking dressed.
39:32
That's what the clubhouse is for, the end.
39:35
Yeah, but he, so he's,
39:37
he immediately goes in on Abdul Carter
39:39
and says it's, says it's, it's Abdul Carter's fault,
39:42
not Jackson Dart.
39:44
Jackson Dart was asked to introduce the president.
39:46
How many people get that opportunity?
39:47
A lot. Blah, blah, blah.
39:48
You were a man who was late to meetings,
39:51
goes in on Abdul Carter,
39:52
takes the opportunity to lay into him.
39:55
And here's my thing.
39:56
Sounds about right.
39:57
This is what I put, I post on threads,
39:59
people talking about this.
40:00
And I was like, you know what disrupts a locker room?
40:03
Racism.
40:05
Yeah.
40:05
How are we gonna act like Abdul Carter's
40:08
the problem here?
40:09
First of all, this league is 70% black.
40:11
I'm not saying all of them are liberal.
40:13
I'm not saying everybody's like,
40:14
there's not black, you know, MAGA voters, whatever.
40:17
But for the most part,
40:18
the idea of going and, and it's,
40:20
you weren't invited to the White House.
40:22
You are now on a one-on-one,
40:23
I'm taking front row center stage
40:26
to introduce Donald Trump at a rally
40:28
as a, as a middling former,
40:32
like you had a middling rookie year.
40:35
Like for, you took a couple insane headshots.
40:38
Basically said, I will not stop playing like this.
40:41
Well, danced around in your oversized chains,
40:44
doing, appropriating all the dances that your teammates do.
40:48
And then like you and your dumb buddies,
40:51
Cam Scadaboo got hurt.
40:53
And the, the, the whole thing was a shit show.
40:55
He's fine.
40:57
We have no idea what he's gonna be.
40:58
Of course he's fine.
40:59
He's pleasured now.
41:00
He'll probably be a backup quarterback
41:01
in the next couple of years
41:02
to think that you have any right
41:05
to create a distraction like this for your team
41:08
is fucking absurd.
41:09
And I, as far as the media is concerned,
41:12
I think it's really fucking funny
41:14
that it's always, oh, when you're talking about this
41:17
in the Olympics, it's a distraction.
41:19
When you're Colin Kaepernick peacefully taking a knee,
41:21
it's a distraction.
41:23
When you're, oh, but Jackson Dart doing go big blue chant.
41:27
So bringing the NFL to the stage
41:29
to rally for the least popular president
41:31
in the history of the United States, not a distraction.
41:34
It's Abdul Carter's fault.
41:35
Oh yeah.
41:36
He's ruining the clubhouse.
41:38
Oh, and he's late to meetings
41:40
and all this other conjecture that show where's your one.
41:44
If you're gonna say that shit, show me your proof.
41:45
Don't, don't, don't pull that shit.
41:47
That's, that's, that's dirty, ugly.
41:49
Stephen A. Smith bullshit.
41:50
I know things about you.
41:52
That's that shit.
41:52
Don't pull that shit.
41:53
What are you some fucking bully?
41:55
You're really gonna bully a rookie player?
41:57
Right.
41:58
Then fucking grow up.
41:58
You're a fucking 65 year old man.
42:00
Grow up.
42:01
It's so, and like on top of it,
42:03
then Abdul Carter.
42:04
Now I, you know, as well as I do, Cody,
42:07
Abdul Carter coming out and saying, hey,
42:08
we talked on the phone.
42:09
You can keep your takes, whatever.
42:12
First of all, I find it interesting
42:14
that Abdul Carter had to be the one.
42:15
He had to be the one to now post the, like, we're cool.
42:20
Jackson Dart, not on him.
42:21
Face of the team, the quarterback, the one who went there.
42:24
I just had enough of these people.
42:26
So, so Abdul Carter has to put it out there.
42:28
We know for sure, Jim Harbaugh's, John Harbaugh's MAGA,
42:31
because he told us last year,
42:33
we know that their owners in the Epstein files over 440 times.
42:37
Sure is.
42:38
So this.
42:39
By the way, how much has Boober talked about that?
42:41
I'm just curious.
42:42
About zero.
42:42
Just asking, just wondering,
42:44
wondering when he wants to talk about that.
42:46
Wonder if that's affecting a clubhouse.
42:48
Is that a distraction?
42:50
Well, no, because no one in the clubhouse
42:52
is talking about it.
42:53
Isn't that funny?
42:54
Oh, it's not hurting the clubhouse.
42:56
No, that like, so this is, this is the structure.
42:59
So you're telling me.
43:00
She won four games last year.
43:02
What the fuck?
43:03
Yeah, you're locked.
43:03
Your locker room has got brutal, huh?
43:06
The locker room culture is going to be disrupted.
43:08
I don't know.
43:09
Your quarterback is like, like being MAGA.
43:12
Isn't like just some, like, it's not, it's not anodyne.
43:16
Like we need to stop acting
43:18
like these political affiliations are, have, have no,
43:21
like, this is just the nineties.
43:22
It's not the fucking nineties anymore.
43:24
People are getting huge reactions.
43:27
Listen, I, this isn't even a political thing at this point.
43:30
Like I'm not even like, I am even borderline
43:33
understand the idea of, you know,
43:35
getting the opportunity to do something for a president.
43:38
I even, fine.
43:41
I'm, if that is where you're going on,
43:44
I'm going to really quickly fold myself
43:46
into a dozen pretzels and let's just,
43:48
I'm going to live in the world that that's fine.
43:50
Okay.
43:52
You've won four fucking games last year.
43:54
Well, that's why, that's why I find it so suspicious.
43:57
It's obvious that he's just seeking out people.
43:59
He knows our mega, because why would you give
44:02
a rookie quarterback?
44:04
No one gives a fuck about the opportunity
44:06
to even introduce you, like, sorry, like.
44:09
Followed up with the next thing
44:10
that just is driving me insane, which always does.
44:13
And I, I'm actually, you know, shame on me
44:15
for feeling, getting, feeling insane about this.
44:16
Really, and I mean that.
44:17
Shame on me for expecting the media to do anything else.
44:20
Shame on me for expecting certain broadcasters
44:22
to do something else.
44:23
Shame on me for expecting them
44:25
to actually critically look at this
44:27
and not immediately have the double standard of saying,
44:30
well, this is fine, there's nothing wrong with this
44:32
after you've spent months dying on this stupid ass hill
44:36
that athletes shouldn't be political.
44:37
This is exactly the same as, same as Dana White
44:40
doing the same thing for Trump and saying,
44:42
none of my things at the RNC have been political.
44:45
That fucking phrase is so goddamn stupid.
44:48
I don't know what to do with myself.
44:50
Nothing that I said on the stage at the RNC was political.
44:55
I want to put my head through a plate glass window
44:57
with these idiots.
44:58
And it's insulting to my intelligence
45:00
and to the intelligence of every sports fan
45:03
that allows them to placate themselves
45:06
and allows them, dare I say, quoting Jackson Dart,
45:09
to pleasure themselves.
45:11
Or to be pleasured by it.
45:13
Oh, I'm so glad he's pleasured.
45:16
It's from Utah.
45:17
I don't know if he's ever been pleasured.
45:18
Well, listen, and if he has,
45:20
he probably can't talk about it.
45:22
Nope, not allowed.
45:23
So we'll leave that there for now.
45:25
I'm sure we'll be back to Boomer at some point.
45:27
He's never too far away.
45:29
He always says something that gets under my skin.
45:32
We've got, we're back to a voting scandal,
45:36
a voting controversy.
45:39
Voter explains why he left Victor Wembenyama
45:42
off of the 2026 All-NBA First Team.
45:44
Victor Wembenyama came one vote, 99 out of 100,
45:49
one vote short of a unanimous All-NBA First Team.
45:54
One would assume that Victor Wembenyama
45:56
would be All-NBA First Team.
45:58
It only, that's why there's 99 out of 100.
46:02
You always have to wonder what that one person's thinking,
46:04
and it's almost always a guy.
46:06
And of course, in this case, it was a guy.
46:09
We're not the best gender.
46:11
Well, no, you're not.
46:13
But you're good.
46:14
You're a decent representation.
46:16
This guy said he, so this is, what was his name?
46:20
Termine?
46:22
I don't, I forget where this guy's.
46:23
Termine?
46:24
Termini?
46:25
Yeah, Termini.
46:26
You don't know Termini?
46:28
Oh, I love Termini.
46:30
I'm not kidding.
46:32
Termini has been on Beetle and Decker for years.
46:33
I love Termini.
46:34
I don't know who this is.
46:35
Justin Termini?
46:36
Is that who it is?
46:37
Yeah.
46:38
Hold on, okay.
46:39
Okay, you know him.
46:40
I know Justin Termini for years.
46:41
He's been on my shows for years.
46:42
Okay, so this is even better.
46:43
So now you can weigh in.
46:45
Because his explanation is.
46:46
Oh, I heard it.
46:47
Oh, you know?
46:48
Oh, I read the rundown.
46:51
I know the stories that we're doing.
46:52
You didn't know it was your friend.
46:53
I did.
46:54
I'm confused why you don't know who Justin Termini is.
46:57
Am I supposed, isn't he just a radio guy?
46:59
Yeah, but he's been around.
47:00
He's been an insider for years.
47:01
Justin Termini's a guy.
47:03
Yeah, he's been around for a long, long time.
47:04
I'll take your word for it.
47:05
No, no, no, no.
47:07
I hate to Justin.
47:07
I'm sure he doesn't know who I am either.
47:09
But his argument for why he didn't
47:11
was because there was once a time
47:15
where you had to vote positionally for this.
47:19
And now, since the M.B. Jokic of it all,
47:23
the NBA changed the rules where you can vote
47:25
for multiple people at the same position.
47:27
And so a lot of people were voting both Wemby and Jokic.
47:32
He decided that it is unfair to the past players
47:37
who missed votes.
47:38
Players like, I think he was talking about.
47:41
Patrick Ewing.
47:42
Patrick Ewing, right?
47:43
Yes, he was.
47:44
That it was unfair that they missed out on these
47:46
because they were playing at the same time
47:47
as like Shaq or Olajuwon or whoever else.
47:49
And now Wemby, someone like Wemby and Jokic
47:53
will get these repeated nominations
47:55
because of the rule change.
47:56
So he personally just decided,
47:58
I'm only gonna vote positionally.
48:01
He just decided like, even though they've changed the rules,
48:04
I'm gonna follow the old rules
48:06
while everybody else is following the new rules.
48:08
And I'm gonna be the one guy that doesn't vote for Wemby.
48:11
Now, I'm gonna get your opinion on this
48:15
as somebody who knows Justin Termini.
48:18
So sorry, so sorry, brother.
48:19
I'm gonna become-
48:21
Oh, I don't care.
48:21
You can say it.
48:23
I'm not defending this.
48:24
Oh no, I'm saying-
48:25
This is fucking hilarious.
48:26
I'm saying I'm sorry for not knowing who he was.
48:29
Not that I'm sorry for calling him out.
48:31
Here's my take.
48:32
Honestly, this is my take.
48:33
This is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard
48:35
in my life. It's really bad.
48:36
And I like Justin Termini so much.
48:38
And listen, I mean-
48:39
I'm sorry.
48:41
There's no universe you can get me to
48:44
even listen to the take.
48:46
Justice for Patrick Ewing.
48:48
Justice for Patrick Ewing is great.
48:50
Your reasoning is because of Patrick Ewing in 1994?
48:55
He thinks it's like the idea
48:57
that it's like disrupting the integrity of the process.
48:59
It's a little fucking late for that.
49:01
I mean, listen, this isn't gonna happen across sports.
49:04
I think it's funny.
49:05
All of the records that are being set in the NFL right now
49:07
are all from people with an extra game, right?
49:09
We saw this whole conversation with Myles Garrett.
49:10
Like stuff is gonna happen.
49:11
There's gonna be asterisks
49:12
if you want him to have them, whatever else.
49:14
Are we positive this isn't a joke?
49:17
Like, are we positive?
49:18
That's my only question.
49:19
Are we positive?
49:20
Because this is so,
49:21
this is so nuts to me.
49:25
I would never vote on like an award in 2026
49:29
because like Greg Vaughn was screwed out of MVP voting.
49:33
Here's his whole explanation.
49:35
There's your boy.
49:36
His whole explanation.
49:37
There's your guy right there.
49:40
I hate to break it to you, but it's,
49:43
and listen, I don't like when people
49:48
in votership groups like this, right?
49:51
I really hate when people decide
49:53
that their personal framework
49:56
gets to override the way that everybody else is voting.
49:59
And like, what makes you, again, no hate,
50:02
but you aren't exactly Bob Costas.
50:04
Why are you acting like you are?
50:07
Just because I've worked with him
50:08
and I'm friendly with him
50:08
does not mean you need to hold back.
50:10
This is so stupid.
50:12
I'm not saying, I'm saying like,
50:14
I'm not trying to be rude because neither am I,
50:17
but like, you're not Bob Costas.
50:19
What makes you think that you can just decide?
50:21
Oh, and by the way, if Bob Costas did this,
50:23
I'd be like, Bob, what the fuck are you doing?
50:25
But again, at least, but then people could be like,
50:27
oh, well, who do you guys think you are?
50:29
And we'd be like, fair, fair point.
50:30
Well, he's always Bob Costas.
50:31
Right.
50:32
But like, you know, if you're Al Michaels
50:34
and you called the Miracle Game,
50:36
okay, now I understand why you have such a fucking ego.
50:38
Where's your ego coming from that you've decided
50:40
that the framework you need to work around
50:42
is to make sure that Wemby isn't treated better
50:44
than fucking Patrick Ewing?
50:46
I'm sorry.
50:47
Just the fact-
50:49
Insanity.
50:50
I mean this from the bottom of my heart.
50:51
If this was his reasoning,
50:54
Justin, this would have been my biggest secret.
50:57
He's right here.
50:58
I know, I would have taken it to the grave.
51:00
You're acting like I-
51:01
I would have never told anyone ever.
51:02
Why do you keep saying if?
51:04
Because I just, I can't, I know, I just,
51:07
I'm hoping it turns, I'm hoping in three days
51:10
he says it's a bit.
51:11
Well, the vote, either way, the vote went a different way.
51:15
I know, it's just-
51:16
So either way, the vote did not go to Wemby.
51:17
I did it for Patrick Ewing, it's so funny.
51:20
Well, I mean, not specifically.
51:22
I think it's not just Patrick Ewing.
51:23
But no, that's, but he specified Patrick Ewing.
51:27
And so that's what I'm paraphrasing it to.
51:30
Yeah, but-
51:31
For better or worse, it reminds me of that old,
51:33
remember when Rikishi ran over the rock?
51:37
He did kind of like-
51:38
No, he didn't kind of, that's what he said.
51:41
He said, because if Shaquille and Elijah
51:43
on Patrick Ewing never got these things.
51:44
I was hoping that he was just like using it like as like,
51:47
there's been a bunch of Patrick Ewing's over the years,
51:49
but no, he was like specifically hung up on Patrick Ewing.
51:52
He really wants somehow love for Patrick.
51:53
Is he a Knicks fan?
51:55
I guess he is, I guess.
51:58
I can't stress enough, this is,
52:01
I'm hoping it's a bit.
52:04
It's not a bit, stop.
52:05
How can anyone do this ever?
52:08
Like ever, like even admit, like they should,
52:10
they honestly should take your vote away.
52:14
Like it's insane.
52:15
I actually think if you admit to just like,
52:18
not voting with everybody else.
52:20
I think if you admit to being like,
52:21
I don't care how everybody else votes
52:23
and I'm just going to vote the way that I feel.
52:26
Like, I do think that if like,
52:27
this voting gets out of control
52:29
when people use different parameters
52:30
and they give you such few parameters to begin with.
52:32
Joanna in Arizona who consumes a lot of our stuff
52:36
and a lot of the other stuff.
52:37
She just said this and she's absolutely right.
52:39
Does Michelle Beadle know
52:40
that Justin didn't vote for Wemby?
52:42
That might be, like I'm laughing,
52:45
Michelle might get pissed.
52:47
That's because he's been on with you and Beadle.
52:52
Oh man, I'm not telling her.
52:53
Joanna, you tell her.
52:54
I'll tell her.
52:55
You tell her.
52:56
I'll tell her.
52:57
I'm not saying shit.
52:58
I'm going to save Justin Termini's life
52:59
is what I'm going to say.
53:02
Listen, if nothing else, it's really funny.
53:06
It is.
53:07
It's really funny.
53:08
I'm glad you got a kick out of it.
53:09
I thought it was wild.
53:10
It's so stupid that it's the funniest thing
53:12
I've ever heard in my life.
53:13
It's very harmless because at the end of the day,
53:15
like who cares about a unanimous all pro?
53:17
It was the reasoning that was like nuts.
53:19
Yes.
53:20
I don't know what to tell you.
53:21
It was so easy.
53:22
I did it for Patrick Ewing is the funniest thing ever.
53:25
It reminds me of 1999 WWE
53:29
when you found out Rikishi was the one
53:32
that ran over Stone Cold and he takes the microphone
53:34
saying, I did it for the rock.
53:37
That's what he's doing right now.
53:38
I did it for, I did it for Patrick Ewing.
53:40
Meanwhile, Patrick Ewing's like, can you not?
53:42
Like, you know Patrick Ewing's not.
53:43
Patrick Ewing's like, please don't.
53:46
Yeah.
53:47
Please don't rope me into this.
53:47
I'm good, dude.
53:49
The pity vote 34 years later.
53:51
I'm stealing this and talking about this on the show tomorrow.
53:54
I have to.
53:54
This is too funny.
53:55
I'm so sorry, Justin.
53:56
Oh my God.
53:57
This is insane.
53:58
Lo siento.
53:59
Oh man.
54:00
This is how I learned who he is.
54:02
Hey, listen.
54:03
You know what?
54:04
He made a name for himself.
54:05
He's getting some play out of it as he should.
54:06
So by the way, he's on NBA radio on Sirius XM.
54:09
No, again, this is not me being a dick.
54:11
I can't know everybody who's on every radio station
54:13
in the United States.
54:14
He's also in New York and I worked with him in New York.
54:16
I get it.
54:17
I wasn't making fun of you for not knowing Justin Timberlake.
54:21
No, I know you weren't.
54:22
I want to make it clear to other people
54:23
that like this, that I'm not like being,
54:26
I'm not being a dick being like,
54:27
I don't even know who he is.
54:29
I literally just like, this is a radio guy.
54:31
Well, you don't listen to NBA radio on Sirius XM.
54:33
I have a lot because I used to be employed by them.
54:37
No longer.
54:38
Tough look for you.
54:39
Well, you know.
54:41
God, NBA radio, man.
54:42
Listen, I've never been quiet about how much I love Odyssey.
54:44
Listen, and NBA radio, you know what's great
54:48
is having a baseball guy and a basketball guy on mornings
54:52
at from six to 10.
54:53
That's, I think that's the sweet spot of radio.
54:55
And that's what I would like to listen to.
54:57
Well, it's funny you say that.
54:58
It actually is a sweet spot of radio.
54:59
Known as morning drive here in Los Angeles, California
55:01
and everywhere else.
55:03
Yeah, it's been, we're doing a new segment.
55:06
Get ready for this, Mocha.
55:07
It's called catch up corner.
55:08
And why are we doing catch up corner?
55:09
Quite frankly, we haven't seen each other in a few weeks.
55:12
We've been texting, obviously,
55:14
but she's been all over globetrotting the East coast.
55:17
And I have now started my new gig mornings in Los Angeles
55:21
and a brand new radio station, 97.1 The Fan LA.
55:25
Please give it a check, check it out.
55:26
It's the first sports radio station on FM in Los Angeles.
55:30
And, you know, a weekend, me and Derek Fisher,
55:33
the show's called Derek and Decker.
55:34
It has been an absolute blast.
55:37
I can't stress enough how much I love the energy
55:40
of sports radio and talking to listeners
55:43
that are calling in and we're very much into,
55:47
thank God, Odyssey is in the modern era.
55:49
We have a great YouTube channel.
55:50
We're interacting with the chat a lot, which is great.
55:52
That's awesome.
55:53
Okay, so that you've been getting good chat stuff on YouTube.
55:56
And a lot of our listeners here have been joining us
55:58
over there as well.
55:59
And it's just been great.
56:01
It's been a phenomenal.
56:02
You've got some loyal listeners.
56:03
I mean, people want more Decker.
56:04
I've been, I'm very lucky with the few that have joined me,
56:08
like Joanna in Arizona, Jeets 22.
56:11
You have to keep telling them
56:12
that you want Tanya on as a guest.
56:15
Oh, you'll be on as a guest.
56:16
You don't even worry about that.
56:17
You will 100% be on.
56:20
You know what?
56:21
I have to call in.
56:22
You do.
56:23
Oh my God, no, I have to call in as a fan.
56:24
You should.
56:26
Throw in your Boston accent.
56:28
He's like, I don't know.
56:29
I do think that Jalen Brown.
56:32
Derek Fisher's like, what the fuck is going on?
56:34
He's like, I think Brown does need to be traded.
56:36
Yeah.
56:37
That's what I think.
56:38
I think he does.
56:39
What about you, Fish?
56:40
What do you think?
56:41
Do you think he needs to be traded?
56:42
I need to do this.
56:43
Okay.
56:44
Oh, wow.
56:45
It might be the first time I finally get to hear
56:45
your Boston accent.
56:46
Yeah.
56:47
And maybe I won't even know it's you.
56:48
You didn't notice at all.
56:49
And when we did our Zoom show
56:52
that my accent had started to pop out at all.
56:54
There was a word or two, but it wasn't much.
56:57
It started to pop out a little bit,
56:58
but then, yeah, you never really know,
57:01
but I could feel it.
57:02
And I was like, Cody would love this.
57:04
Oh, by the way.
57:05
This is true.
57:07
Zion the Meek says, the show has been great.
57:10
Been able to watch at work on YouTube
57:12
and you are killing it.
57:13
Also funny watching Derek Fume when you beat him in games.
57:16
Yeah, we do a lot of trivia games
57:18
and unfortunately I know everything.
57:19
And so I keep winning.
57:20
Oh, you're good at trivia.
57:21
And he keeps losing.
57:23
Listen, Derek Fisher is a very big sweetheart.
57:27
Derek Fisher does not like to look.
57:30
He has this thing.
57:31
You guys are professional athletes.
57:32
He puts his fist out to fist bump me
57:33
and he just does this.
57:35
Good job.
57:37
And he's legitimately mad.
57:39
That's how I would be.
57:40
It's great.
57:41
I'm really, I'm also deeply competitive in that way.
57:44
And especially if it was trivia,
57:45
oh, I'd be so pissed.
57:47
And by the way, Derek Fisher has been fantastic,
57:49
especially a guy who's never really done a ton of radio.
57:52
He is just a wonderful guy on and off the air.
57:56
And we went to the Dodger game last night.
57:57
Those of you that watched the Dodger game,
57:58
we were behind home plate.
58:00
And I was rocking a very normal shirt
58:02
that I would always wear.
58:04
A black baby large T-shirt
58:09
that was squeezing the life out of my body.
58:13
Why?
58:14
Because they gave me the shirt and they heard,
58:16
when I said large, they heard baby gap large.
58:20
And I had to go there suffering in this shirt
58:23
that was cuffing off circulation,
58:25
but it had a huge 97.1, the fan logo on it.
58:29
So that was some good viral marketing.
58:31
It's like I was promoting Smile 3.
58:33
Yeah, you were your own billboard.
58:35
Yes, I was.
58:36
I ain't scared to do it.
58:36
I'll pour myself out.
58:38
I ain't scared.
58:39
Yeah, you gotta.
58:40
You kidding me?
58:41
Every time they were like,
58:42
hey, do you know anything about this product?
58:44
And I look it up and it's just like, oh, dick pills.
58:46
Yes.
58:47
If not you, then who?
58:48
Yeah.
58:49
Why not us?
58:50
Who is better to tell them than me?
58:51
Yeah, you gotta do the,
58:56
and then you gotta do the Rogaine pills
58:57
or the, what is the hair transplant doctors in LA?
59:02
By the way, I've suggested it to the marketing thing.
59:04
Hey, get Bosley on board.
59:06
Let's see if we can convince me to get a hair transplant.
59:08
You can't, I like my bald head.
59:09
No, and you don't need, you don't really need it.
59:11
Like you could grow.
59:12
You have hair.
59:13
Would you believe it?
59:14
No, I, yeah, but it's not like, it's like thinner here now.
59:16
It's not great anymore.
59:19
Your hair is like extra shiny right now.
59:21
I did shower and shave right before we started the show.
59:24
I wanted to, I wanted to gussy up
59:26
for our first time together.
59:27
Thank you for coming in looking nice.
59:28
You're welcome.
59:30
Little extra set of turtle wax.
59:32
No, I actually, believe it or not,
59:34
really like having a shaved head,
59:35
which I was always scared of doing.
59:36
And I'm really glad that,
59:38
because when I chose to do it,
59:40
I was told by my then girlfriend,
59:42
she's like, I don't think you need to do it yet.
59:44
And I kind of just went rogue and did it anyways.
59:48
And then when I did it, like everyone said,
59:51
oh yeah, this is who you look like from now on.
59:54
I said, you don't want me to grow?
59:54
They said, this is what you look like from now on.
59:56
And I'm like, all right.
59:57
And it took me a couple of days,
59:58
but once I got used to it,
1:00:00
I actually really like it.
1:00:01
I can't imagine.
1:00:02
So it's funny because when you were on Fox Sports 1,
1:00:06
you had hair.
1:00:07
I had hair.
1:00:08
And I don't even remember you having hair.
1:00:09
Like my brain has replaced you having hair
1:00:12
with the way you look now because it's so,
1:00:14
makes so much sense.
1:00:15
But in like, when I think back on it,
1:00:18
I'm like, there's no way you had hair.
1:00:19
You're like, yes, I did.
1:00:20
I did.
1:00:21
I swear I had it.
1:00:22
It wasn't great hair.
1:00:23
And some of it might've been painted in.
1:00:25
But like, you had it.
1:00:27
I had a great wardrobe and makeup girl.
1:00:29
It was just like, so what do you want to do?
1:00:31
I'm like, I don't know.
1:00:32
Make it look not shitty on TV.
1:00:34
Well, luckily, like if you're, you know,
1:00:36
if you're far away from the camera.
1:00:37
No, I was fine.
1:00:38
It really wasn't that bad, but it wasn't that good either.
1:00:41
It was, for me, it was time to go.
1:00:44
Yeah.
1:00:45
All right.
1:00:46
So radio show.
1:00:47
We're loving it.
1:00:48
I'm having a blast.
1:00:49
You know, the 4 a.m. wake up calls in Los Angeles
1:00:52
really are not that bad.
1:00:53
No, I mean, you don't deal with traffic.
1:00:54
I don't deal with traffic.
1:00:55
I can watch every game till 10 p.m.
1:00:57
and get to sleep by 10.30.
1:00:59
And it really is fantastic.
1:01:01
The only thing I haven't figured out yet is the new,
1:01:03
like, I'm still working out after the show,
1:01:05
but man, I gotta say.
1:01:06
The workout routine getting thrown off is so brutal.
1:01:09
So I'm just, I'm forcing myself, obviously,
1:01:11
but like, it's so hard after coming off the air,
1:01:15
talking for four straight hours to go like,
1:01:18
now I'm gonna pick up heavy shit for an hour.
1:01:20
No.
1:01:21
I like picking up heavy shit to start my day.
1:01:23
You would prefer to, like, be in at, what, 3 a.m.?
1:01:27
I honestly would love to show up at, like,
1:01:30
be there at four, lift for 40 minutes,
1:01:33
shower, and then walk into the studio at five.
1:01:36
Like, that's what I would kill for.
1:01:37
So you have to be in the studio at five, generally?
1:01:40
Roughly.
1:01:41
I like being in there an hour ahead of time.
1:01:42
Well, especially right now.
1:01:43
Yeah, I like prepping and, like, you know,
1:01:46
I kind of have a very good workflow
1:01:47
that I like to do before shows.
1:01:48
I still think, I think we gotta find a way
1:01:50
to break you into that gym.
1:01:52
Don't tell them that I'm coming up with this plan.
1:01:53
Please, please.
1:01:54
I'm two weeks back into being employed again.
1:01:57
Nobody fired you.
1:01:58
Like, I already got cleared by HR.
1:01:59
They did my background check.
1:02:00
Now you're trying to play a crime.
1:02:01
This company's already fired me, like, twice before.
1:02:03
They don't need an excuse to do it a third time.
1:02:06
Planning crimes on the podcast.
1:02:08
But I, it's, it's, I'm not kidding.
1:02:11
I've said it before.
1:02:12
I'm gonna say it again.
1:02:13
It's a dream job.
1:02:15
It's a legitimate dream job that I've wanted to do
1:02:18
since I was a little kid.
1:02:20
You know, my father, when he died,
1:02:23
he and I were not on great terms.
1:02:25
And we were on great terms our entire lives.
1:02:26
And so the fact that we weren't on great terms
1:02:29
at the end of his life has kind of bothered me a little.
1:02:31
And the reason why is because of,
1:02:34
of my dreams that I had,
1:02:37
I wouldn't say he put them on me.
1:02:38
That's not what I'm saying, but these were his dreams.
1:02:41
Like, his dream was to be a baseball player
1:02:44
when he was a kid.
1:02:45
And once he realized he had no athletic ability,
1:02:47
he wanted to be a radio LA disc jockey.
1:02:49
And he had some opportunities
1:02:51
and he did do a little bit of it,
1:02:52
but he never really did it for a living.
1:02:54
I've had the luxury and opportunity
1:02:56
to be a professional baseball player for 11 years
1:02:59
and then work in this realm for the last seven.
1:03:03
And now I am the morning radio host
1:03:05
of a drive time FM LA talk station.
1:03:08
I mean, I can't stress enough the,
1:03:11
how much the responsibility comes to mind
1:03:14
and the opportunity comes to mind
1:03:16
and just how much he would have gotten a kick out of this.
1:03:20
Well, he is.
1:03:21
I know, he's still haunting your mom.
1:03:23
But like, my mom said she's actually never had somebody
1:03:28
this persistent.
1:03:29
My dad really needs to just move on to the afterlife.
1:03:32
No, that's not how it works.
1:03:33
Stop haunting Tanya's mom, you selfish prick.
1:03:38
No, he's fine.
1:03:39
Jesus.
1:03:41
He's mostly harmless.
1:03:42
He just sits on a couch and drinks.
1:03:43
Yeah, exactly.
1:03:44
He's fine.
1:03:45
Is he drinking all your mom's booze?
1:03:46
I apologize for that.
1:03:47
Probably.
1:03:48
God damn it, Jay.
1:03:49
Will you learn nothing?
1:03:50
My dad also did a lot of that too.
1:03:51
So you know what?
1:03:53
Also, I was thinking, Derek Fisher,
1:03:56
what year did he win his first ring?
1:03:59
The first one with the Lakers.
1:04:00
What was it?
1:04:01
2000?
1:04:01
2000, 2001?
1:04:02
So you were a kid watching Derek Fisher win a ring.
1:04:05
Yeah.
1:04:06
And now you're his co-host on a radio show.
1:04:08
It is absolutely wild.
1:04:10
That'd be like me hosting a radio show with Kurt Schilling.
1:04:18
We're not there yet.
1:04:19
We're not there yet.
1:04:19
We're not there yet.
1:04:20
I haven't heard shit about your reunion.
1:04:21
You went to your 20-year high school reunion.
1:04:23
Yes.
1:04:24
How did that feel?
1:04:25
It honestly, like, it felt great.
1:04:28
We're in downtown Plymouth, right on the waterfront.
1:04:31
Saw everybody.
1:04:33
It was a good crowd that came out.
1:04:34
I did not realize that so many of the people there
1:04:37
that I would be excited to see,
1:04:38
that would be excited to see me.
1:04:39
Everybody was very grateful
1:04:40
that I came in from Los Angeles.
1:04:42
I was grateful that everybody else,
1:04:43
it was some, one of my classmates came in from Montana.
1:04:46
I'm like, that's harder than coming in from Los Angeles.
1:04:48
Yeah, I've seen Yellowstone.
1:04:49
There was a little bit of drama
1:04:50
that we're gonna keep off mic, but I did.
1:04:52
I, you know, there's always one person
1:04:56
that pretends that everything's cool when it's not.
1:04:59
So we handled that.
1:05:02
Good.
1:05:03
As I expect you to.
1:05:03
My best friend by the end of the night,
1:05:05
he was arm wrestling people.
1:05:06
Naturally, as you do.
1:05:08
The prom king arm wrestled him on the way out,
1:05:11
beat him and shut him up, which I loved.
1:05:13
Good job, prom king.
1:05:14
It's rare I root for the prom king.
1:05:16
Yep, the hockey players came in very lit off of substances.
1:05:21
So it was just like being back at a high school dance.
1:05:23
Well, you know, hockey is often played in white powder.
1:05:25
Yeah.
1:05:26
So, you know, it was like absolutely.
1:05:28
I'm told.
1:05:30
Yep.
1:05:31
So that was really fun.
1:05:33
Then we, a day later, I flew to Disney World with my mom
1:05:37
and my sisters, my two sisters.
1:05:39
First girl's trip, family trip in forever.
1:05:42
I grew up going to Disney World.
1:05:43
My mom would take us to Disney World.
1:05:44
That was her thing.
1:05:45
She, you know, once she's a creature of habit.
1:05:47
So once she found that routine of like,
1:05:51
this is a vacation that we can go and do.
1:05:53
Originally, we would go do it with my grandfather
1:05:55
who lives down in Melbourne Beach.
1:05:57
And then we just kept doing it.
1:05:59
So we had been a ton, but as adults,
1:06:01
I'm living across the country.
1:06:02
When was the last time I went on a vacation
1:06:04
with my sisters and my mom?
1:06:05
Forever ago.
1:06:06
How long has it actually been?
1:06:08
I mean, the four of us?
1:06:09
Oh yeah, absolutely.
1:06:10
I mean, the four of us haven't been on a trip
1:06:13
away from like outside of our weddings, right?
1:06:16
Like, so like in forever.
1:06:19
So like, obviously we're all together in Miami
1:06:21
for my wedding.
1:06:22
We were all together in, you know,
1:06:22
whatever for Angel's wedding, but like it's,
1:06:25
we, you know, that's a difficult thing to pull off
1:06:28
and especially Disney.
1:06:30
So we did five days down there, just the girls.
1:06:33
It was epic, but Cody.
1:06:36
But?
1:06:38
Andy loves, Andrea loves Disney.
1:06:40
Okay, Mama Fox loves Disney.
1:06:41
Yes.
1:06:42
She is a Disney adult in the way that like,
1:06:44
she just loves, it's her like comfort place to go,
1:06:46
but she's not, she's not one of those people
1:06:48
that's like a creep about it.
1:06:50
Okay.
1:06:52
I grew up going in the early, like in the 2000s.
1:06:57
It is not, it is like a corporate hell hole now.
1:07:02
The reason I enjoyed it was because I was with my mom
1:07:04
and my sisters in places that were familiar
1:07:07
and we got to do some cool new things
1:07:08
that they were excited to show me.
1:07:09
The rides are obviously really great,
1:07:11
but like every, it's not the same thing it was.
1:07:16
Like, you don't just buy a ticket and go to the park.
1:07:19
No, no.
1:07:20
You, we spent more time on apps, getting lightning lanes.
1:07:24
Dude, it's so bad, isn't it?
1:07:26
It was so fucking bad that I was like, it was so awful.
1:07:30
We, my mom is a, is a like annual pass holder.
1:07:33
I'm there on a cast member pass
1:07:35
because Chris works for ASPN, so we get,
1:07:38
so, but like, because we're not actually paying
1:07:40
for the, like these, the big packages,
1:07:43
they make everything actually harder on you than,
1:07:46
it's Cody, like.
1:07:48
It's, it sucks.
1:07:49
I don't understand how, like, I know why my mom does it.
1:07:54
And I know that, that she is like, so it's like,
1:07:58
she knows her way around.
1:07:59
She knows all the places.
1:08:00
She knows how to do it.
1:08:01
She boom, boom, boom.
1:08:01
But in terms of like, just regularly that being the spot,
1:08:06
I get so like, I mean, a part of this is
1:08:08
because I'm an insufferable, like jerk.
1:08:11
And I'm like, all I can think about is like,
1:08:14
fuck late stage capitalism.
1:08:16
Like I can't, there's a part of me that can't escape it.
1:08:18
Every time I'm thinking about all,
1:08:20
like paying to get on rides that I paid to,
1:08:24
it drives me fucking nuts.
1:08:26
I'm like, how is this, how does this not irk you
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every time you step into this God's forsaken park?
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So I'll tell you this, part of why,
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and it's also Disneyland too,
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because last time I went to Disneyland,
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same thing, the only difference,
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and this is honestly what I've always given Disneyland
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over Disney World,
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but I also understand people have
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the opposite feeling towards it.
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Disneyland, I love because you can do everything in a day,
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like literally get it all done in a day.
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Now with this new system that they have,
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they sure as hell have made it harder to do everything.
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They've made it so much harder, you can't, impossible.
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It probably is impossible.
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Now, Disney World, you can maybe do two parks a day, maybe.
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It's like that difficult.
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You can't, like, yeah, like we did a park a day
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and still didn't do everything.
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And that's brutal, and it's just not the same anymore.
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And you know what, believe it or not,
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I'm not as big on going to theme parks as I,
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I used to really dig going to theme parks, I really did.
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I accept, you know, ones I don't like,
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I hate the Six Flags and just like the roller coasters.
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You know what I like, and this is true,
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and I'll freely admit this,
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what I like about the Disneylands of the world
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is that the rides that you do occasionally,
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they tell a story.
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I like being told stories,
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which is why actually, believe it or not,
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Universal Studios Hollywood is still my favorite place.
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If I go to a theme park, I prefer,
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one, really accessible, two, lot of fun stuff to do,
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three, if you go at like 10, you can really do everything
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and feasibly be out of there by three or four
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and have like a really full day.
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And I don't know, I actually kind of appreciate
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Universal Studios a little bit more
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because they've kind of like gone out of their way
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not to be Disneyland.
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That being said, I don't think they're great,
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it's just like, if I choose, I choose Universal Studios.
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That's what I'm saying is like, there is,
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they've taken all of the like,
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being able to just have the magic of being in,
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like, you're supposed to feel like you're in a bubble,
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right, you're supposed to feel like you're in a bubble
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of whatever, and I think my mom feels like that
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when she's down there, and I certainly did,
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but it was only because I was with my mom and my sister.
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That part of it was, like, I couldn't go do that
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under any other circumstances.
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Like, I couldn't just go with anybody else
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and have the same experience.
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It literally was only so cool
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and made me feel like a kid again
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because I was with my mom and my sisters, right?
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So like, that was the thing.
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I don't know how people make it a regular thing
1:10:45
without that, and maybe lots of people have that,
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I'm sure a lot of people do, but yeah.
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So, amazing trip with mom and sisters,
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minimal fighting between the four girls.
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We did pretty well, all things considered.
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Great meals, I will say.
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The people who work there, very hardworking people
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who I respect very much, and yeah,
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the next time we go on a girls' trip,
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I'm, like, making them go to, like,
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Pelican Hill with me or something.
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I love it, I love it.
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Well, you know, this has been a lot of fun catching up,
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and of course, we're gonna be doing this again on Thursday,
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and I'm actually, because we had so much to catch up on,
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we didn't really get a chance to talk about Curt Chilling
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and the fact that he's a fraud
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and never at any point had blood on his sock.
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I mean, he did have blood on his sock.
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Whose blood?
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Not his.
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Whose blood was that?
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Well, now, wait, you've just debuted a new potential theory
1:11:39
because I was hearing spaghetti sauce before.
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I've always said marinara, but you know what?
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Now, if you're Adam and it's blood,
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then whose blood was it?
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Because sure, shit wasn't his.
1:11:47
Sure, shit wasn't his.
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And I know he didn't get into a fight,
1:11:50
that soft-ass Curt Chilling,
1:11:52
so who willingly gave him blood?
1:11:55
This is an absolutely unhinged take
1:11:57
that I'm like, I wasn't prepared for.
1:11:59
Whose blood is crazy, Cody?
1:12:01
Whose blood was that?
1:12:02
I wanna know whose blood was that,
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and it wasn't anybody's.
1:12:05
It was marinara.
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I'll tell you whose blood it was.
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It was probably someone who said
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what we always say to end this show.
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Fuck Curt Chilling.
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Fuck Curt Chilling.