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Is Chic Boring Now? What To Embrace Instead... · Two Broke Chicks

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Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land Always was, always
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Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land. Hey Chicks, I'm out and this
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Speaker 1: is Two Broke Chicks, the show that shares life lessons
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Speaker 1: and tips to help make you rich in life. And
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Speaker 1: today we are back for another fabulous episode where we
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Speaker 1: are talking about what does.
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Speaker 2: It mean to be chic?
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Speaker 1: So? How has this kind of chic trend arisen on
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Speaker 1: social media? Do we need to maybe embrace some things
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Speaker 1: outside of being chic and maybe a little bit more ugly?
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Speaker 2: And then on top of all of that, our.
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Speaker 3: Top things that we think chic girls ic.
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Speaker 2: Is in the eye of the beholder.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sally is really doing it for me today because
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let everyone know. I don't know what
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Speaker 1: it is about Sally today that's really doing it for me.
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Speaker 1: Like everything she's saying is making me laugh, Like it's
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Speaker 1: just a base.
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Speaker 2: It's a lot of pressure.
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Speaker 1: I know, you're just really tickling me today sexually. I'm kidding,
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Speaker 1: but but yes, so that's talking about today.
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Speaker 2: I'm excited.
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Speaker 1: But before we get into all of that, would you
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Speaker 1: like to tell me what you're obsessed with past week?
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Speaker 2: Where do I start? My God, my obsession of the
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Speaker 2: week is a new flavor of twisties. Shut. Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: didn't know this exists.
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Speaker 4: I know.
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Speaker 2: So I was in the airport the other day. Airport
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Speaker 2: and they don't even need me to like play in that,
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Speaker 2: okay to myself. Literally, you're in the airport. Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: was in the airport and I found these twisties that
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Speaker 2: are hot chili honey.
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Speaker 3: Did you did you bring some in?
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Speaker 2: They're gone?
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Speaker 3: You ate them all, They're all gone.
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Speaker 2: You didn't the before on the plane.
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Speaker 3: You didn't even say anyone. You didn't say because I'm
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Speaker 3: gonna buy one for my best friend.
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Speaker 2: They were really fucking because they recently did the pickle
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Speaker 2: ones as well, which I really wanted to love because
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Speaker 2: I'm but they weren't good.
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Speaker 3: They were just out here They're trying twisties without me,
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Speaker 3: and I'm really upset. I I love a pickle.
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Speaker 2: The hot honey ones are really really um Okay, so
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Speaker 2: I definitely recommend. I'm obsessed. I had some. What's your obsession?
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Speaker 1: My obsession of the week is a contribution to our
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Speaker 1: lovely little angel we have in our office as well.
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Speaker 1: Live For my birthday, she got us an ice maker. Yes,
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Speaker 1: let me tell you, this thing has changed our lives.
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Speaker 1: Yesterday we all had a fridge cig aka a coke
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Speaker 1: zizzy aka a coke zero, and it was the best
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Speaker 1: thing ever. We all had some fresh to the rim
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Speaker 1: ice coke zero.
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Speaker 2: Oh I know, and is already like the most decadent
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Speaker 2: of treats. Like it's truly what I wake up for
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Speaker 2: every day. But that icemaker really took it to another.
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Speaker 1: Seriously, it makes eyes in seven minutes, how bloody good?
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Speaker 2: Seven minutes of heaven? Seven minutes what they were talking about.
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Speaker 1: Truly, that's what that whole thing stick was about. My
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Speaker 1: ice maker, the best thing ever. I was like, I'm
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Speaker 1: getting one from home as well. Yeah, home, I have
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Speaker 1: a freezer. And also, for context, we don't have a
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Speaker 1: freezer in our office. We just have a little mini fridge,
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Speaker 1: a little mini fridge that's filled with cogzizzi yeah zero.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's my obsession of the week. I can't
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Speaker 1: wait to have one.
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Speaker 2: Today to move forward to it. It's the best.
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Speaker 3: Do you know what it felt like?
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Speaker 2: It felt like a really good movie's coat.
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Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: So you may have seen all online the term chic everywhere,
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Speaker 1: but in terms of talking about this week kind of
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Speaker 1: have to bring it back.
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Speaker 3: To this start.
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Speaker 1: So this trend online has been you know, things I
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Speaker 1: find incredibly chic, you know, and people listing what those
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Speaker 1: things are as.
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Speaker 2: Or more recently the like it's kind of too yes, yeah,
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Speaker 2: but what we're kind of seeing is like, are these
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Speaker 2: things chic or is it just a photo of your food?
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Speaker 2: So people are using the K label to describe like
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Speaker 2: literally anything, which is fine, but it kind of has
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Speaker 2: got us asking the question what does shek actually mean?
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Speaker 2: Especially if we are throwing it around in more broader terms.
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Speaker 3: She is swinging its dick around on the internet right now?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so true, so true. So to get to the
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Speaker 2: bottom of this trend, we want to understand what does
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Speaker 2: sheik actually means? Let's start at the very beginning. It's
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Speaker 2: a very good place to start. So in the Merriam
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Speaker 2: Webster Dictionary, chic is defined as smart, elegance and sophistication,
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Speaker 2: especially of dress or manner. Chic has been around since
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Speaker 2: the sixteenth century, probably not surprising. French philosopher Roland Bart's
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Speaker 2: was one of the first academics to write about fashion,
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Speaker 2: and he regarded the concept of chic to be a
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Speaker 2: shifting system that was always a little out of reach
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Speaker 2: rather than a tangible thing you can buy, which I
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Speaker 2: think is really interesting and maybe that is why we
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Speaker 2: can't really get our heads around it because it is
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Speaker 2: supposed to be one of those things. It's like it's
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Speaker 2: kind of provocative. It gets the people going, yeah, but
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Speaker 2: what would your definition of chic be.
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Speaker 1: I was trying to think about this, right, and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: when you first think of the word cheek, my, you
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Speaker 1: really go to like an outfit, right, it really does
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Speaker 1: have those like ties to fashion and looks an aesthetic.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: But then it's then what I was thinking as I
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Speaker 1: kind of thought further to it, I think cheek is
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Speaker 1: I think something when I if I was to describe
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Speaker 1: someone as chic, it would be referencing more the way
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Speaker 1: they hold themselves, their attitude, their attitude and.
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Speaker 3: You know, to be like very kind and very.
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Speaker 2: Like they just hold themselves.
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Speaker 3: I'm really just the posture. They've got good posture. That's
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Speaker 3: what it is to be shake.
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Speaker 1: So true aally, Yeah, I think that's how I see it. Like,
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Speaker 1: you know, how does someone handle themselves in confrontation?
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Speaker 3: How do they handle themselves?
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Speaker 1: When they're having a bad day, Like, do they feel
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Speaker 1: their emotions? Do they take their emotions down on other people?
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Speaker 1: Do they consider others? Like that's kind of if I
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Speaker 1: was to be like, oh, they're just so chic. Do
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Speaker 1: you know who I would say is chic? Florence given
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Speaker 1: a right outfit, great attitude.
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Speaker 2: Combo Chico, what about you? I like that. I think
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Speaker 2: truly I would have also always just associated it with fashion.
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Speaker 2: I think like Carrie Bradshaw always comes to mind. I
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Speaker 2: just think of somebody who has a really unique sense
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Speaker 2: of their own signature style. But I think previously I
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Speaker 2: would have thought maybe very elegant, But I think as
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Speaker 2: I've gotten older, I think of it more as like
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Speaker 2: cool unique.
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Speaker 1: I'm really picturing like you know that, like lady at
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Speaker 1: the start of one hundred and one Dalmatians, and she's
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Speaker 1: got yeah, you know exactly which one she's got, like
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Speaker 1: the fur trim big coat on, like one of those
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Speaker 1: really long cigarettes holders, and like my head's up, she's
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Speaker 1: trotting along, yes, since she's got the poodle. Yes, yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: one of the best scenes in all of film history. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: But today being she is more attainable, right because with
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Speaker 1: this trend. It's almost becoming an overused term in the
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Speaker 1: fashion and online world. Not to mention many people are
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Speaker 1: spending a lot of money to chase this idea of chic.
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Speaker 3: And this is very similar to you know, some of
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Speaker 3: the conversations that we've been having.
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Speaker 1: Surrounding a lot of the aesthetics that get pushed as
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Speaker 1: marketing terms, for example, cool girl, like this just it
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Speaker 1: does kind of feel a little bit like it's just
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Speaker 1: the same thing in a different word. Yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: like we have it girl, we have cool girl, we
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Speaker 1: have that girl, And now like chic to me is
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Speaker 1: kind of just like a notch in that belt as well.
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Speaker 2: They all sit under the same umbrella.
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Speaker 1: It's not to say that anyone who has done this
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Speaker 1: trend or likes this trend or anything like that is
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Speaker 1: doing anything wrong. It's not hurting anyone being like things
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Speaker 1: I find cheak unless, like, you know, the thing you
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Speaker 1: find cheek is.
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Speaker 3: Like bat shit fucking great, you know, being mean?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, being like kind of cheeked, like rear end
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Speaker 1: someone's car, no grace, No, okay.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of cheap. I was like, shit, that was
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Speaker 2: on my list. She quick little retype.
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Speaker 3: But it is a trend. It is meant to be fun.
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Speaker 1: So I don't want this to come across like we're
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Speaker 1: being like party poopers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the moral panic, like we can't be she
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Speaker 2: protect chek. No, that's not what this is.
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Speaker 1: It's just a reflection of hmm, how do we feel
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Speaker 1: about this, and like we're also going to be sharing
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Speaker 1: our own things we think of chic. So it's not
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Speaker 1: like we're not sitting on the high horse being like.
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Speaker 2: You losers at all.
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Speaker 1: But it's very, very interesting because we've actually now seen
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Speaker 1: the word chic holding less merit as a result. So
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Speaker 1: according to a post from data but Make It Fashion,
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Speaker 1: the numbers suggest the word is losing its value from
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Speaker 1: over use. And that's more the point that we're making.
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Speaker 1: Google searches for the word chic have been at their
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Speaker 1: highest this year since Google started leading search data in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and four, so chic is at its peak.
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Speaker 3: Like shit, No one.
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Speaker 1: Has ever searched the term or word cheek as much
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Speaker 1: since Google was born, which is.
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Speaker 3: Wild to me. I feel like I need wow, whoa
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Speaker 3: go way?
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Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
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Speaker 1: So with saturation of a topic comes a drop in
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Speaker 1: positive sentiment, and that's what we're seeing here, so positive
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Speaker 1: engagement with posts including the term chic have actually dropped
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Speaker 1: by fourteen percent monthly since March. So since March, since
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Speaker 1: it's been like whoa chic, it's now slowly reducing in
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Speaker 1: the way that people feel about that word.
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Speaker 2: That makes sense because when you think about the origins
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Speaker 2: of the word that we discussed before, is that the
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Speaker 2: whole point of the term chic is that it's supposed
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Speaker 2: to be a little bit out of reach. Yes, but
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Speaker 2: now if we're using it to describe everything, it has
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Speaker 2: lost its meaning and I guess like its status in
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Speaker 2: a way, which I think, Yeah, it's one of those
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Speaker 2: things that's like does that really matter. I don't know
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Speaker 2: how we feel about it doesn't really matter even to
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Speaker 2: be chic at all?
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Speaker 1: Like is that is that the north star that we
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Speaker 1: should have in life?
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Speaker 2: So true?
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it does kind of beg the question if
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Speaker 1: everything is chic, then what is chic?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, to be or not to be? I think Shakespeare first,
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Speaker 2: that's that. Yeah, yeah, but I do think that that
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Speaker 2: is a really interesting question and kind of like when
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Speaker 2: we saw you know, clean Girl trending or or even
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Speaker 2: like Brat's summer trending or whatever it is. It's like
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Speaker 2: we'll see something trend and the pendulum swings that way, yea,
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Speaker 2: and then as we become maybe a little bit fatigued
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Speaker 2: by it, starts to swee the way the other way.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's even such an interesting thing.
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Speaker 1: Like last summer was brat Yeah, and it's brats are
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Speaker 1: and it's messy and yeah, you know, and then this
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Speaker 1: is like chic, poised, elevated, elegant, elegant.
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Speaker 2: But then also like some people would argue that like
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Speaker 2: brats summer was quite chic and that you know, sleeping
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Speaker 2: in your makeup and I don't know, partying until dawn
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Speaker 2: whatever people do. It's interesting. But I do think that
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Speaker 2: the thing with chic is that it's only important when
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Speaker 2: there's also mess It's like you have to have the
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Speaker 2: light and the shade. And there's also so many different
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Speaker 2: types of chic like that have trended over the years.
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Speaker 2: There was Perisian chic, which I think is that very
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Speaker 2: like elegant. Then there's boho chic, shabby chic, urban chic,
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Speaker 2: frugal chicic, which we talked about on the podcast earlier
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Speaker 2: this year. But yeah, it's like that thing where you
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Speaker 2: can't have chic without also having the mess. And I
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Speaker 2: think that's where we're seeing the pendulum swing a little
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Speaker 2: bit now. Even in fashion, you see brands embracing ugly luxury. Yes,
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Speaker 2: so like the Margella tabbies or even the heeled Haavianas
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Speaker 2: that we spoke about, or platform crocs or even just
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Speaker 2: crocs in general. That they went from being like no
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Speaker 2: one who would ever wear CROs in touch with the
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Speaker 2: tempoot pole yeah, to now like a lot of fashion
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Speaker 2: girlies wear crocs because they're like they kind of a rebellion, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Or that jw Anderson pigeon clutch. Do you remember that? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: from a few years ago, and so many people were
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Speaker 2: like a pigeon, what the fuck? But then a lot
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Speaker 2: of people like that's incredibly chic, and I think carry
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Speaker 2: Bradshaw even carried it in and just like that yeah,
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Speaker 2: which I think was like a tick of a proof
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Speaker 2: for a lot of people being like, oh, okay, maybe
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Speaker 2: it is cool, or even like the Golden Goose sneakers,
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Speaker 2: like having distressed sneakers or like ripped jeans, or you know,
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Speaker 2: buying an expensive T shirt that has holes like already
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Speaker 2: cut into it. It's so funny because typically when you'd
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Speaker 2: think of chic, you would think of like very put together. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: like what we.
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Speaker 1: Said playing Christine, I feel like there's a stereotype that
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Speaker 1: the word cheek.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And in a post by Sashi dot Branding,
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Speaker 2: she points out that ugliness in art is never an
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Speaker 2: accident and it's actually a response to dominant culture that
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Speaker 2: has become too polished, which I think is what we're
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Speaker 2: seeing with some of these examples. People wanted to butt
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Speaker 2: those trends.
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Speaker 1: We spoke about it, I think a little bit earlier
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Speaker 1: in the year as well, that like in fashion as well,
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Speaker 1: on these runways, imperfections are being prioritized as also a
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Speaker 1: sort of rebellion to the perfection is and that is
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Speaker 1: with Ai Yeah yeah, so like because you know what
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Speaker 1: you get with that is such a clean cut and
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Speaker 1: so like perfectionist with that art is now purposely you know,
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Speaker 1: they had you know, marks on the t shirts, they
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Speaker 1: were creticled, they weren't iron like those little things that
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Speaker 1: it's like, this is.
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Speaker 2: Real, yeah, and like embracing those things that are typically
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Speaker 2: seen as flaws or ugly and using them as a
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Speaker 2: way to rebel against Yeah, like perfectionism or just going
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Speaker 2: against the grain, but also embracing the ugly can be
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Speaker 2: an act of defiance, even just beyond fashion. Lucy Blackerson
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Speaker 2: from You Should Care About Who We've had on the
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Speaker 2: show and We Love has written about the complex relationship
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Speaker 2: between our perceptions of how we look and how we
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Speaker 2: see ourselves, especially in the digital age, and in a
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Speaker 2: post with the headline ugliness as Defiance, she makes a
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Speaker 2: couple of points that I thought was really interesting because
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Speaker 2: it's kind of like the opposite of what we've been
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Speaker 2: seeing into che in a lot of ways. She says
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Speaker 2: it's never been easier to look beautiful through filters or
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Speaker 2: cosmetic procedures, products, medications. Things like aging, outfit repeating, and
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Speaker 2: going outside without makeup or bare face is almost taboo
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Speaker 2: rather than being seen as normal. And also, I was
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Speaker 2: having this conversation with a lady last night at an
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Speaker 2: event that we went to, and she has like a
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Speaker 2: ten year old daughter, and you know, she was like
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Speaker 2: asking me for some advice about like certain things because
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Speaker 2: she knows that we speak to a lot of young women.
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Speaker 2: I was like, I think she's a little out about demos.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I was like, downds. But we were
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Speaker 2: talking about how kids these days don't really have an
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Speaker 2: awkward phase.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, really really grinds my gears then they like and
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Speaker 1: do you know what that makes me sad for them, mad.
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Speaker 3: For you because I had to be really fucking ugly.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, But now.
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Speaker 3: What a privilege?
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Speaker 1: What a privilege to have had a childhood or a
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Speaker 1: tween era that like had a lot less pressure on it.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying we didn't have any pressure. We definitely did.
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Speaker 1: We also were in you know that the OG two
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Speaker 1: thousands era of like you know, magazines and you know,
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Speaker 1: front covers of being like.
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Speaker 2: Oh she's gained one kill, She's a fucking hog, like
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Speaker 2: like crazy shit, being like who wore it better?
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Speaker 3: Being like team Jen, oh team and being like whoa
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Speaker 3: come down?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like we still fucking have that shit with Selena
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Speaker 1: and Haley now, but like we still had it, but
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Speaker 1: nowhere near the extent to now.
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Speaker 2: Like I just think that our accessibility to things to
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Speaker 2: maybe skip that awkward phase just wasn't available to us. Like,
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Speaker 2: you know, I was going to Urban Angel and Best
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Speaker 2: and Less to buy my clothes and like you'd get
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Speaker 2: makeup from like those they were literally toys, Like it
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Speaker 2: wasn't real makeup really, No, the.
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Speaker 1: One that would look like like a pencil case and
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Speaker 1: you opened it up and it had like all the
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Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and the blush was basically a fucking candle,
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Speaker 1: Like it wasn't.
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Speaker 2: Doing anything, Like what was the point of that? It
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Speaker 2: was fun. But I do think that when I look
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Speaker 2: back and I think about like those awkward years when
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Speaker 2: I had braces and like I didn't know what I
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Speaker 2: was doing with my hair and maybe I was like
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Speaker 2: starting to use makeup, but you know, they weren't tutorials
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Speaker 2: and things available, so I didn't really know what I
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Speaker 2: was doing. Like it was it felt very awkward and
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Speaker 2: uncomfortable at the time, and I can remember thinking like,
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Speaker 2: like I wish that I looked like these people either
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Speaker 2: in my year or even just people in magazines or
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Speaker 2: people that I looked up to. But I do think
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Speaker 2: that it was really character building being ugly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And also just like maybe freed up a little
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Speaker 1: bit of the brain space too, Like it didn't consume
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it never consumed a single thought, because
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Speaker 1: that did, but like it didn't consume every thought or
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Speaker 1: as much space as I think it does now. And
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Speaker 1: I've spoken about this before as well, that it's even
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Speaker 1: at home, it feels like there's this pressure to be
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Speaker 1: put together, and it's like now like back in ye
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Speaker 1: yelden days, it would be the same fucking ugly T
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Speaker 1: shirt that had to pass the staining from ten years ago,
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Speaker 1: and the same track is discussed, like maybe mismatching socks,
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Speaker 1: like no matching sets, no hair masking, sheet mask on,
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Speaker 1: like that is so so far away, Like it's we
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Speaker 1: have to be put together at home. And I also
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Speaker 1: understand to be my own devil's advocate, like sometimes even
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Speaker 1: having a shower, putting their hair mask on, doing that
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Speaker 1: refresh that feels really good, like mentally, but I even
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Speaker 1: think that we don't even let ourselves be ugly in
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Speaker 1: the privacy.
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Speaker 2: Of our own home anymore. Yeah, like and bring that back, honestly,
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Speaker 2: because that's the thing. Like I'm saying that I've had
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Speaker 2: these awkward faces, but I also can recognize that when
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Speaker 2: I was a teenager, from about the age of fifteen
20:02
Speaker 2: until maybe I was like twenty six, probably until the pandemic,
20:07
Speaker 2: really I would not leave the house without a full
20:10
Speaker 2: face of makeup. On ever, like if I was going
20:12
Speaker 2: to the gym, if I was going for a walk,
20:14
Speaker 2: if I was just like ducking out to get a coffee,
20:16
Speaker 2: like there was no way and there was no way
20:18
Speaker 2: to ever like post online without makeup or my hair
20:21
Speaker 2: done or whatever. And then I think, as I've gotten older,
20:24
Speaker 2: I kind of went into some of those interactions like
20:28
Speaker 2: jumped on Zoom during lockdown and didn't have makeup on
20:31
Speaker 2: and noticed that nobody said anything and nobody treated me
20:35
Speaker 2: any differently, And I was like, Okay, maybe I can
20:38
Speaker 2: push this a little further. I'll go and hang out
20:40
Speaker 2: with a friend without makeup and they weren't like, WHOA
20:43
Speaker 2: what happened. I think most people don't care.
20:45
Speaker 1: And anyone that does it says a lot more about them.
20:50
Speaker 2: So I think that's the thing. The important thing to
20:52
Speaker 2: take away from these points that Lucy made is that
20:55
Speaker 2: it's never been more important than now to be defiant
20:59
Speaker 2: and embrace those moments when we can be a little
21:01
Speaker 2: bit ugly. So whether it is not feeling the pressure
21:05
Speaker 2: to put on a matching set and just wearing whatever,
21:07
Speaker 2: you know, PJ pants and T shirt you find on
21:10
Speaker 2: your bedroom floor.
21:12
Speaker 1: Do you know what's kind of chic wearing like a
21:14
Speaker 1: weird flannelette pajama bottoms and some rogue T shirt that
21:18
Speaker 1: don't match and you just can't.
21:20
Speaker 2: Be yeah, exactly, or like not apologizing for things that
21:25
Speaker 2: are natural on your body. Yeah, that is something that
21:27
Speaker 2: I think a lot of women do. Like if you
21:29
Speaker 2: show up and you look a bit tired, or your
21:31
Speaker 2: hair's not done or you didn't have time to do makeup,
21:33
Speaker 2: you'll be like sorry about how I lost. Yeah, Like,
21:35
Speaker 2: don't apologize for things that are natural about you. Yeah,
21:39
Speaker 2: But that's like our automatic kind of response because we've
21:42
Speaker 2: been programmed that everything does need to be chic and
21:45
Speaker 2: put together, anesthetic and basically like ready to be captured. Yeah.
21:50
Speaker 1: There was this TikTok from Chelsea Peretti, who plays Gina
21:54
Speaker 1: on Brooklyn nine nine. Yeah, love her character so fucking funny,
21:59
Speaker 1: and she made this TikTok and it was like, what
22:02
Speaker 1: if we all just set what if we all just
22:04
Speaker 1: accept that we're ugly and move on?
22:06
Speaker 4: What if we all just accept that we're ugly and
22:09
Speaker 4: move on. Isn't that kind of a relief to just
22:12
Speaker 4: be like, oh, this might not look good on me
22:14
Speaker 4: because I'm a little bit ugly okay, and I'm out.
22:18
Speaker 1: The door and it reminded me of this quote that,
22:22
Speaker 1: oh was it a quote or I can't I'm paraphrasing,
22:25
Speaker 1: and I think it was Kristen Stewart who said it,
22:28
Speaker 1: but it was like, imagine how much money women would
22:32
Speaker 1: save and how powerful we would be we would feel
22:35
Speaker 1: if tomorrow we woke up and didn't think.
22:37
Speaker 2: Badly about ourselves.
22:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like, yeah, earth shattering.
22:41
Speaker 2: I know.
22:42
Speaker 1: And like I also see it, and I'm like, I'm
22:44
Speaker 1: not going to stop spending money on you know, makeup
22:47
Speaker 1: or a facial or getting my hair done or whatever
22:50
Speaker 1: I want, like I get botox, and I'm not gonna
22:53
Speaker 1: sit on a high horse and be like let's all
22:55
Speaker 1: love ourselves and never spend money on looking good because
22:58
Speaker 1: like that's also okay, Like you're allowed to want to
23:01
Speaker 1: feel good in your own skin and do whatever you
23:04
Speaker 1: want to do. Yeah, Like I'm never ever going to
23:06
Speaker 1: police that on what because as well, it's it's a
23:10
Speaker 1: fucking oh god, I could rand about this carriage is
23:13
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a like you know, pot or kettle,
23:16
Speaker 1: and that's probably the wrong metaphor, but you know, if
23:20
Speaker 1: you don't do anything.
23:21
Speaker 2: Like we've spoken about on the podcast how.
23:23
Speaker 3: Women are people who are deemed attractive get paid twenty
23:27
Speaker 3: percent more.
23:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, which is crazy and stupid and I don't
23:31
Speaker 1: support that. But then it's considered silly and frivolous to
23:35
Speaker 1: spend money on the way that you look, but you're
23:38
Speaker 1: rewarded for looking good.
23:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a double edged sort exactly.
23:42
Speaker 3: And so and also like it's just nice.
23:45
Speaker 2: To feel hot too, Yeah sometimes, and I feel like
23:47
Speaker 2: yourself and sometimes putting on a cute outfit and wearing
23:51
Speaker 2: like funky jewelry and doing makeup is part of expressing exactly.
23:55
Speaker 1: But you don't have to do that all the time,
23:58
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to say. It's like it's okay
24:00
Speaker 1: to also want to feel hot, like to be like, yeah,
24:03
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this buck in dress and do my
24:05
Speaker 1: faked hand. I'm gonna do my hand. I'm gonna slay
24:07
Speaker 1: the day way. But then tomorrow you can brow like
24:10
Speaker 1: the light and shade of it all. Like we can
24:12
Speaker 1: be chic, but we also need to be ugly. Yeah, okay,
24:15
Speaker 1: So what is.
24:17
Speaker 3: A little act of ugly that you're going to do
24:20
Speaker 3: this weekend?
24:22
Speaker 2: What is my do you know what? Actually I posed
24:24
Speaker 2: it to you. I posed it to you last night.
24:27
Speaker 3: I don't remember anything from last night, so I was gonna.
24:30
Speaker 2: I'll remind you. So we decided that this week we
24:32
Speaker 2: haven't gone out in ages and there's no reason really
24:35
Speaker 2: to go outside. It's not a big beef yet. No,
24:38
Speaker 2: we just haven't had like I mean because we were
24:40
Speaker 2: we were away. So yeah, we were having like cocktails
24:43
Speaker 2: with dinner and stuff, but we didn't really have any
24:45
Speaker 2: nights balls to the wallet. No, and we haven't had
24:48
Speaker 2: like any birthdays or anything in a while. So we
24:51
Speaker 2: were like, we haven't gone out in a while. Should
24:52
Speaker 2: we go out on Saturday?
24:54
Speaker 4: Yes?
24:55
Speaker 2: And I posed to you, let's go comfy. I was like,
24:59
Speaker 2: T shirt, flats, like baggy pants, let's do it. So
25:03
Speaker 2: I think that's why act of defiance, Like we can
25:06
Speaker 2: go to a bar, but like, I'm not wearing heels.
25:11
Speaker 2: When do boots even?
25:13
Speaker 3: Okay?
25:14
Speaker 1: I was like, we don't even wear heels to the bar. Now,
25:18
Speaker 1: there's no active definest. No, I'm down and thank you
25:21
Speaker 1: for the reminder.
25:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the brief. So what are you going to
25:24
Speaker 2: do to be ugly? I think I'm just gonna like
25:27
Speaker 2: wear what's there.
25:29
Speaker 1: Like, it doesn't need to be a Pinterest fit, you know,
25:33
Speaker 1: Like I think a little less Pinterest in my life.
25:37
Speaker 2: You know, we love Pinterest.
25:39
Speaker 1: I love Pinterest, but I do think I'm like there's
25:42
Speaker 1: the pressure in the brand to always have the Pinterest fit.
25:45
Speaker 1: It's great for like if I'm like I have no
25:47
Speaker 1: idea what I want to wear today, but like yeah,
25:50
Speaker 1: and also like this year, I've also started wearing my
25:52
Speaker 1: hair a lot more natural, Like I don't do it
25:56
Speaker 1: every single day, I'll like wear it natural a little
25:59
Speaker 1: bit more so have been like a couple of little things.
26:01
Speaker 2: I love that. And the thing is, the funny thing
26:04
Speaker 2: is that you get so many compliments when you do
26:05
Speaker 2: wear your hair natural, and I think that's a lot
26:08
Speaker 2: That is something that people should be reminded of that
26:11
Speaker 2: a lot of the time when you do like do
26:13
Speaker 2: things to embrace or just like accentuate what's beautifully natural
26:16
Speaker 2: to you, not only does it make you feel good,
26:19
Speaker 2: but that's often when you get the most compliments. So
26:22
Speaker 2: if your words of information, girly kind of works out
26:24
Speaker 2: both ways.
26:32
Speaker 1: Okay, So with all of that in mind, shall we
26:34
Speaker 1: talk about the things that we find cheek.
26:38
Speaker 2: Do you want to kick us off? Yeah. My first
26:40
Speaker 2: thing that I find incredibly chic is when somebody asks
26:44
Speaker 2: you what you're wearing, or they compliment what you're wearing,
26:47
Speaker 2: and you can say, thanks, it's vintage, or thanks, I
26:52
Speaker 2: bought it five years ago. Yeah, Like, if it's one vintage,
26:56
Speaker 2: I think it is just automatically chic to me. It's
27:00
Speaker 2: better for the environment, it's usually more unique, it's typically
27:04
Speaker 2: more affordable, or you've got more bang for your barck.
27:08
Speaker 2: And I also find that whenever I'm like, if I
27:11
Speaker 2: ever get a compliment on something that I'm wearing, nine
27:14
Speaker 2: times out of ten it's vintage. Yeah, And I sometimes
27:18
Speaker 2: feel like a bit of an asshole being like, sorry,
27:20
Speaker 2: it's vindage. But I'm always like I looked up this,
27:23
Speaker 2: or like this is the style of jacket, like if
27:25
Speaker 2: you can try and find your own version on eBay
27:28
Speaker 2: or you know, when you're at the markets or something,
27:31
Speaker 2: because that is that can kind of be the downside
27:34
Speaker 2: of that. But also a lot of the time, when
27:36
Speaker 2: I am looking on Pinterest or if I see somebody
27:39
Speaker 2: cool on the street and I like what they happen,
27:42
Speaker 2: I'm like, where'd you get it a lot of the
27:43
Speaker 2: time it's vintage. But I do also think that even
27:48
Speaker 2: if you bought something and it was new, it is
27:50
Speaker 2: also incredibly cheap to be like, yeah, I've had these
27:52
Speaker 2: chains in my closet for seven years. I think.
27:55
Speaker 1: What's things I think is incredibly chic is like baby
27:58
Speaker 1: dragon syndrome. And this is I've made this up because
28:02
Speaker 1: I diagnosed sour with it, and it's.
28:04
Speaker 3: Selection, Yeah, you're a baby dragon.
28:07
Speaker 1: And basically I don't know in folklore and mythology, dragons
28:11
Speaker 1: like to hoard like jewels and trinkets and little things
28:15
Speaker 1: like that, and that is just so sourd because one
28:17
Speaker 1: like any any jewelry, she's like sparkles. But like, I
28:22
Speaker 1: think it's so chic to have things and trinkets and items,
28:26
Speaker 1: whether that's a vintage jacket or it's your first edition
28:30
Speaker 1: of books that you got when the books first came out,
28:33
Speaker 1: and those things that you were so emotionally connected to
28:36
Speaker 1: that you own that make up your identity.
28:39
Speaker 2: Like we've spoken about having a.
28:40
Speaker 1: Uniform before, and your characters you know, go to you know,
28:44
Speaker 1: carry Bradshaw referencing her again she has that fur coat,
28:48
Speaker 1: you know, the Penny Lane jacket. Who what are those
28:51
Speaker 1: iconic things that you own that make you you, especially
28:55
Speaker 1: in a world where everything is borrowed so that you know,
28:59
Speaker 1: we don't really own that much anymore because so much
29:02
Speaker 1: is subscription based as well. You know, like to listen
29:06
Speaker 1: to music, you don't actually own any music. You have
29:08
Speaker 1: a subscription unless you know, for those people who have
29:12
Speaker 1: an extensive record collection and CDs, Yes, you're better than.
29:14
Speaker 2: Everything red fel filthy ah.
29:17
Speaker 1: But like having things that you own that makeup who
29:20
Speaker 1: you are, that you're so like excited about you would
29:23
Speaker 1: never sell it. You're like, no, I love that I
29:26
Speaker 1: got you know exactly when you got it. That's so
29:30
Speaker 1: chic to me.
29:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.
29:33
Speaker 1: And thinking of your home as like your little dragon
29:36
Speaker 1: cave right.
29:37
Speaker 3: Like that's where you have.
29:38
Speaker 1: Your trinkets, and you know you can't get that through
29:42
Speaker 1: a Pinterest mood board.
29:44
Speaker 3: You can't get you know, what makes you you?
29:48
Speaker 1: And maybe you can to be fair, like maybe you
29:50
Speaker 1: see something you're like, oh, I love that, And again
29:52
Speaker 1: I don't want to come across as like a taste snob,
29:55
Speaker 1: being like.
29:56
Speaker 3: No, you can't.
29:57
Speaker 1: You have to like everything individually and everything to have
30:00
Speaker 1: some very intricate backstory of yeah, how you got it
30:03
Speaker 1: at a Portobello market back in nineteen sixty four.
30:07
Speaker 2: That's absolutely not It sounds like a great day though,
30:10
Speaker 2: take me back there.
30:11
Speaker 1: But yeah, having your little trinkets, your baby dragon trinkets
30:17
Speaker 1: to be like, oh I love that and that just makes.
30:18
Speaker 2: Me me Yeah, I think that is incredibly chic, especially
30:22
Speaker 2: when traditionally what has been considered chic is like luxury
30:27
Speaker 2: brands and labels. It's kind of again like defying that
30:32
Speaker 2: a little bit, but still embracing like your own taste
30:36
Speaker 2: and like you can still have a love for fashion.
30:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, my next one bit of a different bit
30:43
Speaker 1: of a switch up.
30:44
Speaker 3: But I think it's incredibly.
30:46
Speaker 1: Chic to be excited, yeah, cute, and like to have
30:50
Speaker 1: passion for things. Like, I think the nicest people to
30:54
Speaker 1: be around are those that just get like so excited
30:58
Speaker 1: over the smallest things. Yeah, literally that You're like, they'll
31:01
Speaker 1: be so excited to get breakfast, Yeah, although'll be so
31:04
Speaker 1: excited about you know, a concept for some really niche band.
31:08
Speaker 1: Okay you, but like they'll just have so much passion
31:12
Speaker 1: and that zest for life that I'm like, it's so infectious.
31:16
Speaker 3: To be around, don't you.
31:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also like I also think it's incredibly chic
31:22
Speaker 2: when people don't feel guilt around their guilty pleasures. Yes,
31:27
Speaker 2: and it's just pleasure. Yeah, take the guilt out of
31:29
Speaker 2: guilty pleasures.
31:31
Speaker 1: Seriously, I do think we're getting more towards that as well.
31:34
Speaker 1: I think so we're very much in an ownership of like,
31:38
Speaker 1: this is real, this is me, yeah, exactly where I
31:40
Speaker 1: supposed to be, you know.
31:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think as well more people are embracing
31:46
Speaker 2: that idea of who I am now and who I
31:49
Speaker 2: truly am is basically what I liked as a thirteen
31:51
Speaker 2: year old girl, which a lot of the time is
31:54
Speaker 2: considered incredibly cringe yes, yeah, but it's like that's where
31:58
Speaker 2: I feel the most like myself and the happy, happiest. Yeah.
32:01
Speaker 2: And I yeah, I also love that, Like I love
32:03
Speaker 2: hearing somebody talking about what they did on the weekend,
32:06
Speaker 2: or like you know, if they joined like a netball
32:09
Speaker 2: team and they're talking about it with passion and excitement.
32:13
Speaker 2: Like I just think sometimes people feel like it's not
32:17
Speaker 2: cool to show it's like cool to be a little
32:19
Speaker 2: bit more subdued, Yeah, a bit more chill and laid back.
32:21
Speaker 3: I've never been mysterious a single day my life.
32:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, but that's the thing. I actually don't think
32:27
Speaker 1: it's cheap to be mysterious.
32:28
Speaker 2: I'm like, can you do tell me what you're thinking? Yeah,
32:30
Speaker 2: totally nah.
32:31
Speaker 1: Like I think I came out of the womb oversharing,
32:35
Speaker 1: but literally every time Rob was like, oh, I was
32:38
Speaker 1: your event last night, and I was like, probably over
32:40
Speaker 1: shared too much by about twenty percent, but like that's okay, that's.
32:43
Speaker 2: A good night.
32:44
Speaker 3: That's who I am.
32:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't like because I'm excited to talk to
32:48
Speaker 2: people like if that's and that's how you connect, Like
32:52
Speaker 2: I did this embarrassing thing, so now you can feel
32:55
Speaker 2: safe around me.
32:56
Speaker 3: Exactly.
32:57
Speaker 1: These are all the times I've shipped my pants, so
32:59
Speaker 1: don't you worry. You know, I love all the memes
33:03
Speaker 1: that are like I would love to be mysterious, but
33:05
Speaker 1: this is me and my best friend laughing, and it's
33:07
Speaker 1: like the two Hyaenas from the Lion King.
33:08
Speaker 3: Yeah it's your man, I.
33:09
Speaker 1: Know, but it's like I would always I also would
33:12
Speaker 1: always do this thing that I do think I do it.
33:15
Speaker 3: I still do it, but I definitely do it a
33:17
Speaker 3: lot less than.
33:18
Speaker 1: When I was in my early twenties, and there's this
33:21
Speaker 1: idea that we kind of like borrow desires, especially with
33:24
Speaker 1: like where our attention goes to.
33:26
Speaker 3: And it's a lot of like.
33:28
Speaker 1: Do in marketing.
33:31
Speaker 3: A lot of marketing.
33:32
Speaker 1: I'm such an old man because I'm like, let me
33:36
Speaker 1: tell you, Shanny, let me go back from stat hold
33:38
Speaker 1: on to get to the.
33:39
Speaker 3: Point, I've got to take your five weirsh back.
33:42
Speaker 1: No, But it's more like in marketing, the way people
33:46
Speaker 1: sell you things is by telling you you showing you
33:48
Speaker 1: something you didn't know you needed.
33:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and you.
33:52
Speaker 1: Even hear that so much on online, and that is
33:55
Speaker 1: true as well sometimes that there are things that I'm
33:58
Speaker 1: like the shower lamp, I didn't fucking know why I
34:01
Speaker 1: needed that, but it's changed my life.
34:03
Speaker 3: And again, nothing to me, everything to me is great.
34:06
Speaker 1: There is no such thing as black and white in
34:07
Speaker 1: my life unless it's it's you know, it's something incredibly
34:11
Speaker 1: fucking wrong, true, you know, if it's something between me,
34:14
Speaker 1: like literally, if it's like illegal shit, they're like, yes,
34:17
Speaker 1: of course, okay. But everything else I'm like, there's always great,
34:22
Speaker 1: but yeah, it'll be like you didn't know you needed,
34:24
Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of my early twenties
34:28
Speaker 1: was consumed by that and by changing and chameleoning myself
34:33
Speaker 1: to what I thought was cool and trendy and what
34:38
Speaker 1: character I wanted to mold myself into being. And because
34:41
Speaker 1: all of those weren't me, they never stuck like they
34:44
Speaker 1: weren't actually who I was, Like was I like, I
34:47
Speaker 1: remember when I first got my job, I would wear
34:49
Speaker 1: these fucking stiletto.
34:51
Speaker 2: Heels to work.
34:54
Speaker 3: Why and that again, I'm not.
34:58
Speaker 1: Why, but I not like if anyone does, like, that's
35:02
Speaker 1: not a read for you, but it's just so not
35:05
Speaker 1: like I wasn't doing it because I wanted to wear
35:08
Speaker 1: stiletto heels to work and because I loved it and
35:11
Speaker 1: it made me feel fucking powerful. I was wearing them
35:15
Speaker 1: because I thought that's the character who was strutting to it,
35:19
Speaker 1: being like I'm gonna be a bus bitch today, and
35:22
Speaker 1: like it was I was paying a character in that
35:25
Speaker 1: because in reality, if I was just using what I
35:27
Speaker 1: wanted to wear, I would be wearing sneakers, jeans, and
35:29
Speaker 1: a T shirt. And I don't want that to come
35:32
Speaker 1: across being like.
35:32
Speaker 2: Oh.
35:34
Speaker 1: Like other girls, because I'm like, yeah, fucking wear the
35:38
Speaker 1: fucking heels if that is who you are and that's
35:41
Speaker 1: what you want to do. But I would borrow these
35:43
Speaker 1: ideas of like what I thought I was supposed to be,
35:47
Speaker 1: And so I think it's such.
35:49
Speaker 3: A fucking far away part of what I was trying
35:52
Speaker 3: to say at start.
35:52
Speaker 1: But like, being excited for things that genuinely excite you
35:57
Speaker 1: is really really.
35:58
Speaker 2: Cool, especially if it is or not especially but even
36:01
Speaker 2: if it isn't cool or it's trending, and it will be,
36:07
Speaker 2: it will be given five years. Yeah, I'm sure like
36:10
Speaker 2: the amount of people who would have got like ragged
36:12
Speaker 2: on for crochet or something ten years ago, now they're like,
36:16
Speaker 2: who's laughing?
36:17
Speaker 1: Now?
36:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got about seventeen jumpers my wardrobe. That's out.
36:23
Speaker 2: Never mind, whatever.
36:25
Speaker 3: Have crochet dresses?
36:26
Speaker 2: Comm come come man, Okay, what's your next one? Okay,
36:29
Speaker 2: my next one? I feel like is kind of a
36:31
Speaker 2: similar vibe, but embracing labors of love, putting that little
36:35
Speaker 2: extra bit of effort into things for your loved ones,
36:39
Speaker 2: which I in some ways I think we all could
36:42
Speaker 2: probably do a little bit more. Like I was thinking
36:45
Speaker 2: about this when I was younger, like when I was
36:48
Speaker 2: a kid and a teenager, probably up until I got
36:51
Speaker 2: like my full time job, I was like really well
36:54
Speaker 2: known in my circle of friends for always making handmade
36:57
Speaker 2: cards for people. And I would do, like they really
37:00
Speaker 2: like this, yeah, And I would always do these little drawings,
37:03
Speaker 2: or i'd like draw like a picture of us together,
37:06
Speaker 2: or I would I for all of our anniversaries. For
37:09
Speaker 2: Chris and I probably up until like maybe five years ago,
37:13
Speaker 2: I would draw him a card every single time.
37:16
Speaker 1: And I do really love the direct quote of among
37:20
Speaker 1: my friends, I was really well known for making handmade cards.
37:23
Speaker 2: Putting that on a T shirt for you put that
37:25
Speaker 2: shit on a shirt. And I've always said.
37:27
Speaker 3: That among my friends. Yeah, it's really well known for
37:31
Speaker 3: making me cards.
37:32
Speaker 4: It's trill.
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Speaker 2: And they're like, yeah, where's my card, bitch.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never gotten a handmade card from you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. So now maybe for our anniversary. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: just going out of your way to put that little
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Speaker 2: bit of effort in if it is like making a card,
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Speaker 2: writing a letter, bringing flowers to a friend, like cooking
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Speaker 2: them a meal, inviting them over, like and host like
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Speaker 2: hosting friends more. I think, but we don't even do
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Speaker 2: that enough. But you know, I'm sure we all put
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Speaker 2: in effort. But I think that it's incredibly chic to
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Speaker 2: go out of your way to be even a little
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Speaker 2: bit inconvenienced for the people that you love.
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Speaker 1: The open door friendships. Well, that's a wrap on today's episode.
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Speaker 2: I did warn you, Okay, I did warn you. I'm
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Speaker 2: sorry you did. I don't know what's happening.
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Speaker 1: I hope everyone had good time. Me too is mainly
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Speaker 1: my concern, my want for everyone. But yeah, that's rap
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Speaker 1: on today's episode of Two Broke Cheeks. But I would
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Speaker 1: love to hear your thoughts on this as well. Do
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Speaker 1: you think there's too much pressure to be chic? Is
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Speaker 1: it just a bit of fun? What do you think
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Speaker 1: is chic? How are you going to be a little
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Speaker 1: bit more ugly in your life? Tell us in the comments.
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Speaker 1: We always love to hear your thoughts, feelings, and emotions, and.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having us in your ear holes.
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Speaker 2: We love to be here. We love it. Bye bye
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