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The Eds: unEDited with Shawn Trujillo · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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  Speaker 1: This is the Eds with Eddie, Judge and Edwin Ato Yave.
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  Speaker 2: We got a special guest today, Sean through he right
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  Speaker 2: right accent. Yeah. Well, Sean has been married to the
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  Speaker 2: Real Housewives of Salt Lake City cast member and Ge
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  Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety nine. Okay, good, So you survived the
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and end of the world we live five years.
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  Speaker 3: That's incredible, Sean, congratulations on twenty five years. That's something.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been through it all.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Has it officially been twenty five years or is
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  Speaker 3: it like December?
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  Speaker 4: No, it was twenty five years in June.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, what did you What did you do for That's
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  Speaker 3: a big date. I mean, what did you do?
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting, you know, with everything that's going on,
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  Speaker 4: all the travel that we've had to incur with the
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  Speaker 4: show along with Electra's equestrian travel, you know, we have
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  Speaker 4: the opportunity to be home during that time and we
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  Speaker 4: just went to dinner, had a nice dinner. We always
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  Speaker 4: bring Electra with the U and uh, you know, that's
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  Speaker 4: that's about it, you know. Now, Uh, nowadays, when you
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  Speaker 4: can be a home and just kind of relax a
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  Speaker 4: little bit and do normal stuff, we kind of really
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  Speaker 4: cherished that.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's so valuable. So let us give us
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  Speaker 2: some insight on your family. I know you have one daughter,
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  Speaker 2: thirteen year old Electra. You mentioned right, do you have
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  Speaker 2: another kid at home?
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  Speaker 4: No daughter, just Electra. She's our one and only. We
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  Speaker 4: tried for more for for many many years. We you know,
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  Speaker 4: when she was two years old, we started trying for
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  Speaker 4: a second one and we went through about four and
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  Speaker 4: a half to five years of of everything. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's one of the pitfalls to having kids later.
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  Speaker 4: You know, there's there's the pros and cons. You know.
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  Speaker 4: On the on the pro side of it, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we were established and and you know we've been able
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  Speaker 4: to spend every every waking moment with her when needed
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  Speaker 4: and uh, and that's been good. But on the pitfall side,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's just harder to have kids when you're older.
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  Speaker 4: You know. Yeah I was forty, yeah age Andrew was
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  Speaker 4: thirty seven. So yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what. She
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  Speaker 4: takes all we got though, you know, with all this course,
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  Speaker 4: I mean Edwin knows this. It's like when you're in
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  Speaker 4: the horse, you know, uh business and and you know
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  Speaker 4: you're it's just it's an expensive sport. So you know,
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  Speaker 4: she takes sport.
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  Speaker 3: It's all the time. I mean, my daughter goes twice
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  Speaker 3: two weekends out of the month, and it's like Thursday,
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  Speaker 3: ye through Sunday. So it's like you have your own
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  Speaker 3: little life. It's true.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So but you you've done a good job of going
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  Speaker 3: with her all the time, right.
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  Speaker 4: I try to be there every time. You know, something
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  Speaker 4: we have in common. I was raised on a ranch,
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  Speaker 4: and you know I was raised riding horses, so you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's really been fun. You know, we bought her a
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  Speaker 4: horse when she was two years old, a little tiny thing,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and and she really hasn't been off of
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  Speaker 4: a horse since. And you know, I was in four
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  Speaker 4: h you know, we were doing like poles, barrels, barrel racing,
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  Speaker 4: you know, all that stuff. But you know, it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: until about I would say, five years ago that she said, Dad,
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  Speaker 4: I want to get into horse jumping. And obviously this
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  Speaker 4: was a new world for us. There's there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: more technique, technical aspects to it. And we gave it
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  Speaker 4: a shot and she has not turned back and she
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  Speaker 4: she has found her passion. I'm grateful that she's found
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  Speaker 4: her passion in the horse world because obviously I can
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  Speaker 4: now kind of, you know, see that world through her
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  Speaker 4: eyes and we share that passion and and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: So it's been a great, great experience.
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Let's go back a little bit. Where did
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  Speaker 1: you grow up?
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  Speaker 4: I grew up here in Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you did like growing up there.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I had a great childhood, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: like I said, I was born on a ranch. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we were around animals all the time. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: my dadad got us into this. Uh you know, I
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  Speaker 4: had cousins doing it, so we we kind of fell
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  Speaker 4: into it. And you know, between the four age and
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  Speaker 4: just writing in the desert things like that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we I don't know, you know, it's just one of
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  Speaker 4: those things where, you know, he kind of continued to
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  Speaker 4: grow in the horse world. He now runs a horse
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  Speaker 4: racing business and so so we got into that as
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  Speaker 4: well and have been able to experience kind of all
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  Speaker 4: things worses growing up.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, so you Latino, your last name is Toru Here.
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  Speaker 4: I am yeah. Yeah, I have to Spanish. My dad's Spanish,
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  Speaker 4: and and you know he was he was born and
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  Speaker 4: raised here you know. Unfortunately he never really spoke Spanish
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  Speaker 4: in the home. Uh you, I don't, I know enough
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  Speaker 4: to be dangerous, okay, but married to a Greek that
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  Speaker 4: had kind of like overcome anything else. So I actually
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  Speaker 4: speak more Greek now than Spanish.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah tell us so so, so you grew up in
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  Speaker 3: Salt Lake. Uh yeah, you obviously grew up riding horses
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  Speaker 3: and stuff. And it seems like you've been working out
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  Speaker 3: all your life too, right, I mean I heard I
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  Speaker 3: was reading up on some stuff and it looks like
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  Speaker 3: your wife talked about how when you first met you,
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  Speaker 3: you were you were doing hair cutting hair, but she
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  Speaker 3: saw this guy that was muscular and handsome.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Have you always been about working out or you know?
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  Speaker 4: I got into health and wellness and fitness when I
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  Speaker 4: was about eighteen years old. You know. A cousin got
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  Speaker 4: me into it. He was in the bodybuilding stuff, and
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  Speaker 4: I just kind of kind of followed him into that,
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  Speaker 4: to that aspect of it, and and really it's just
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  Speaker 4: been a part of my life ever since then. I've
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  Speaker 4: never taken time off, you know. You know how guys
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  Speaker 4: will get into it and they'll take a year off
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  Speaker 4: for several months. I've never done that. It's just something that, uh,
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  Speaker 4: that I really took to and and I realize that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you know, as you as you get into
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  Speaker 4: health and wellness, it's not just the physical aspect, it's
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  Speaker 4: the mental aspect. And as I grow older, I realize
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  Speaker 4: how much that does, you know, affect my mental health
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  Speaker 4: and and really keeps me sharp. And you know, if
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  Speaker 4: I take a day off here or there, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm definitely a little more cloudy. So so sorry if
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  Speaker 4: I'm not in the gym, you know, I'll do the
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  Speaker 4: jailhouse workout, I'll do my births in the house. I'll
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  Speaker 4: do my push ups and sit ups and air squats
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  Speaker 4: and stuff like that. It's just something that I that
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  Speaker 4: I have to do.
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  Speaker 3: You know. It's you know, what's interesting about discipline. And
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  Speaker 3: you know, Eddie's got the discipline of his fitness. You
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  Speaker 3: obviously do as well, and it carries on to like
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  Speaker 3: business and all that stuff. But I always tell people that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, discipline is hard at first, but if you
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  Speaker 3: can sustain discipline for a long time, it becomes a
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  Speaker 3: lifestyle and it's no longer hard. Right right now, the
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  Speaker 3: opposite of discipline is pleasure, right, Pleasure very easy, very comfortable.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to want to do it all the time.
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  Speaker 3: But if you sustain pleasure for a long time, you're
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  Speaker 3: not going to be very happy. And that's why I've
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  Speaker 3: always said that the higher the discipline, the happier you'll be, right,
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  Speaker 3: And the lesser the discipline, the less happy you'll be.
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  Speaker 4: One hundred percent totally agree.
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  Speaker 2: Is that up there along the lines of you know,
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  Speaker 2: buying a Ferrari and you know, six months or eight
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  Speaker 2: months later, you get over it, so you want a
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  Speaker 2: new Ferrari, kind of like I did last year with
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  Speaker 2: my Harley. I got it for a year and I
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  Speaker 2: was like ready for a new one.
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  Speaker 3: I think a good example is like ice cream. Like
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  Speaker 3: I love ice cream, right, but you continue to have
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  Speaker 3: ice cream every day, you're not going to be very happy.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Alcohol maybe you you you like you can drink
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  Speaker 3: a couple of days. You keep doing that and you
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  Speaker 3: sustain it for a long time, it's not gonna be
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  Speaker 3: pleasurable anymore, right, you know. It's just if you really
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  Speaker 3: think about it, anything that's pleasure if you sustain it,
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  Speaker 3: like if you go on if you just don't do
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  Speaker 3: nothing for a year. It might be pleasure for the
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  Speaker 3: first three weeks a month. I guarantee you after a month,
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  Speaker 3: if you don't have a new purpose, you're going to
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  Speaker 3: be miserable.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely totally.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't stay active, you're going to be miserable.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree. And it is right up there
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  Speaker 4: with you know, the car or you know, I love watches,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and it's like, Okay, I'm gonna get this
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  Speaker 4: one and that's all I need. And I did it,
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  Speaker 4: and then I find another one that I want, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean. But but you know ed when
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  Speaker 4: you you did a post on Instagram a while back,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, you talked about, you know, acquiring some
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  Speaker 4: of these physical things that that you know, you reward
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  Speaker 4: yourself with, and and it's almost like, you know, you've
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  Speaker 4: hit a goal, you know, and and it's always there's
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  Speaker 4: always something to work towards within that and and it
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  Speaker 4: becomes less about you know, the physical thing is it
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  Speaker 4: is about the achievement. And and that's that that is
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  Speaker 4: so true. That's exactly where I'm at. And and I
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  Speaker 4: really you know, you've got to have a purpose, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and and sometimes it's it's the car or the watch,
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  Speaker 4: and sometimes it's a new business or whatever it is,
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  Speaker 4: but there's always got to be that creative process happening
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  Speaker 4: and that that goal to strive.
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  Speaker 1: How did you get into doing hair?
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  Speaker 3: Was it for the women?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I I really didn't. It wasn't in
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  Speaker 4: the beginning, but it was. It's an interesting story. So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I grew up in constructing. My dad had
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  Speaker 4: the ranch. He was in the construction business. You owned
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  Speaker 4: a commercial tile contracting company, so so you know, if
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't out back shoveling horse poop, I was, you know,
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  Speaker 4: working with my dad setting tile stuff like that. So
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  Speaker 4: you know, it was one of those things where I
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  Speaker 4: was like, God, I just don't want to do this
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  Speaker 4: for the rest of my life. I saw what what
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  Speaker 4: you know, he he had kind of gone through physically
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  Speaker 4: and all of that stuff. And I also just saw
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  Speaker 4: the grind, you know, and I don't mind the grind,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, it's just such hard work. And I
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  Speaker 4: have so much respect for those guys, and we need
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  Speaker 4: those guys obviously, But you know, I knew that that
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  Speaker 4: wasn't for me, and you know, I took a short
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  Speaker 4: little stint from the tile business and started working at Kmart,
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  Speaker 4: and I started working as a checker, and I worked
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  Speaker 4: my way out through sporting goods. You know, that was
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  Speaker 4: a fun job. I knew that that was just something
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  Speaker 4: to kind of give me another experience outside of of
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  Speaker 4: what I had with family. And but you know it
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  Speaker 4: wasn't you know, too long after that, I did get
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  Speaker 4: back into the tile business again. And and you know
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  Speaker 4: the thing about that stuff is like, you know, even
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  Speaker 4: though it's not, you're calling the money's good, you know,
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  Speaker 4: especially as a young man, which which kind of traps
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  Speaker 4: you a little bit, I guess. And you know, I
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  Speaker 4: had this crazy thing happen. I was working on a
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  Speaker 4: tile job, and you know, we were floating out a
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  Speaker 4: floor to get a level before we set the tile,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, you reach into the cement mixer to
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  Speaker 4: check the mud, make sure it packs right, whether it
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  Speaker 4: needs more water or whatever. And I had gone to
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  Speaker 4: a party with my girlfriend and she had bought me
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  Speaker 4: this ring and i'd put it on. We had had
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  Speaker 4: a late night, but I had an early morning and
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  Speaker 4: I forgot to take the ring off. So I reached
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  Speaker 4: in to check the mud and it caught my ring
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  Speaker 4: and basic pulled me into the mixer, and it was
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  Speaker 4: like that split second where it's like, Okay, this is
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  Speaker 4: either going to be my entire arm or you know,
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  Speaker 4: and I just I wedged myself against the machine and
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  Speaker 4: my finger came with it, you know, went with the ring.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, the reason I tell that story is
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  Speaker 4: it gave me a break, right, It gave me a break.
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  Speaker 4: It gave me this reassessment like I do not want
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  Speaker 4: to you know, it reaffirmed like this was not the
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  Speaker 4: direction that I wanted to go. And the girl I
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  Speaker 4: was dating at the time was a hairdresser, and she'd
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  Speaker 4: be like, you know, I always loved to paint, I
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  Speaker 4: always loved drawing. I did like fashion and things like that,
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  Speaker 4: so you know, I thought, you know, this is probably
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  Speaker 4: a good opportunity to give it a shot. I really
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  Speaker 4: went into it, not really not really knowing what was
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  Speaker 4: going to happen. And then I saw this remember House
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  Speaker 4: of Style back in the day, Cindy Crawford hosted it.
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  Speaker 4: It was on MTV. It was like this docuseries and
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  Speaker 4: this series they talked about fashion, and you know, I
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  Speaker 4: turned it on and they did this mini documentary on
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  Speaker 4: this hairdresser. His name was John soa Hogg. It was
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  Speaker 4: an editorial stylist in New York and he was working
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  Speaker 4: on Amber Voletta and I thought, God, you know that
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  Speaker 4: problem that could be cool.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 4: So, so I enrolled in school. The rest was history,
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  Speaker 4: you know. So, so I loved the craft, you know,
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  Speaker 4: to your point, I loved working with women. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: the funny thing is is like, you know, women gossip
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  Speaker 4: with each other and stuff like that, but when there's
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  Speaker 4: a guy involved, there's a lot less of that happening.
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  Speaker 4: So I didn't experience that. But what I did realize
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  Speaker 4: was the guys that I was working with on the
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  Speaker 4: construction site were way worse than the girls. You know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean, They were way worse than the girls.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, I love the craft, I love the culture.
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  Speaker 4: I loved working with women. And you know, I was
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  Speaker 4: a very technical person. I wouldn't like to say type A,
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  Speaker 4: but whatever I do, I like to do well. And
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  Speaker 4: so you know, the rest is history. I started started hairdressing,
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  Speaker 4: and I worked my way from the very bottom all
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  Speaker 4: the way up, and it was it was one of
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  Speaker 4: those deals where you know, I'd get up, I would
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  Speaker 4: open a gym that I worked at at five o'clock
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  Speaker 4: in the morning. I would get off at nine thirty
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  Speaker 4: ten o'clock, go to the salon and be support staff
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  Speaker 4: or an assistant, you know, sweeping hair, washing hair whatever
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  Speaker 4: till seven, eight o'clock at night. And then I would
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  Speaker 4: work at a night club from nine o'clock at night
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  Speaker 4: until two in the morning. And I did that for
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  Speaker 4: two years straight. Ah. Yeah, And discipline, that's the discipline,
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  Speaker 4: you know I was. I was getting by on naps
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  Speaker 4: in the breakroom, you know older.
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  Speaker 2: I was twenty two two, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Twenty one something like that. So, and to be honest
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  Speaker 4: with you, I can't remember a day that I didn't
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  Speaker 4: do work, you know. Being raised on a ranch, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I always liked things, and I always wanted a new
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  Speaker 4: bike or a new part from my bike or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: And if I wasn't making what I needed to make
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  Speaker 4: on the ranch, I'd go pull weeds at my neighbor's house.
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  Speaker 4: I just I don't remember not working, you know. And
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  Speaker 4: I also don't remember not having a goal to acquire
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  Speaker 4: something along the way.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds very similar or very familiar, right Edwin?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know what's interesting about I was
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  Speaker 3: just talking to my friend about this the other day
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  Speaker 3: about you know, instead of like hitting the clubs like
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  Speaker 3: we used to back in the day when we were single,
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  Speaker 3: Like being a hairdresser great, right, because there's lot of
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  Speaker 3: women there, and then also being in the horse world
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  Speaker 3: because both are very similar, Like most of the men
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  Speaker 3: are gay that are doing it. So if you're like
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  Speaker 3: the one dude there, that's you don't even have to
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  Speaker 3: be decent looking, right, like you go to town on everyone
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  Speaker 3: because there's no other dudes.
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  Speaker 4: It's the law of exposure.
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  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yea. Well, it's great about the horse world
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  Speaker 3: is they're all rich. I'm like that. I would have
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  Speaker 3: known that when I was twenty got me a sugar
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  Speaker 3: mama back then. You know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I got to tell you when in my mid twenties,
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  Speaker 2: I had some really good friends that we used to
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  Speaker 2: party together, and both of them were hairstylists. One of
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  Speaker 2: them owned the salon and the other one was I
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  Speaker 2: think he was a silent partner or something. But they
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  Speaker 2: were wildly successful, driving expensive cars, making a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: money and surrounded by all these hot women, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and it was quite an environment. I did admire them,
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  Speaker 2: but I never saw myself, you know, doing something like
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  Speaker 2: cutting hair, Like I just didn't see myself having the
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  Speaker 2: ability to do something like that.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, well, you know, I'll tell you it's a great profession,
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  Speaker 4: you know. I mean, it's it's just one of those
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  Speaker 4: things where, you know, the day that I started doing that,
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  Speaker 4: I never worked a day in my life. You know.
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  Speaker 4: I woke up every day just I could not wait
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  Speaker 4: to get out of bed, get to work and just
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  Speaker 4: do what I love doing. And you know, I'm so
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: fortunate to have been able to choose something that resonated
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: with me like that, because you know, I've had a
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: full life in my work environment, and god, I can't
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: imagine it being any better, you know.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, by the way, tell us how you started. I mean,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: obviously you started cutting hair, but now you've made this
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: big old business out of it.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know that.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: How did that happen?
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: You know? It's just like ignorance is bliss, you know
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: what I mean. It's like I think in you know,
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: ninety seven ninety eight, Angie's you know, Angie's a hairdresser
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: as well, and she's like, you know, we should do
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: our own thing, or you know, we should start to
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: think about this, And I was I was really happy
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: where I was at because I was making great money.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: I could show up and leave, you know. I mean,
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: I really wasn't thinking like that, but I just thought, God,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: I'm really doing great. And then you know, ninety nine
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: rolls around and I'm like, okay, let's do this. And
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: one of the reasons is because you know, there are
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: a lot of companies that offer you education, you know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: just support like that, and really what they said that
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: they offered really wasn't It didn't end up being what
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: they said it was. You know, it was maybe a product,
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: knowledge class or something. You know, we were really really
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: passionate about the craft itself, and so we crave that.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: And you know, any bit of money that her and
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: I made, we'd go. We'd fly to LA we'd fly
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: to New York, we'd fly to Dallas and do these
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: courses and classes and things like that. And it's like,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: you know, we really need to do something that really
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: encompasses you know, and you know, we didn't know it
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: so much then, but we know it now. That was
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: a core of value of education m and so it's like, okay,
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: we're going to start this with this premise, you know
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: what I mean, And and you know, it's just we started,
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: and you know, we started in seven hundred square feet.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: There were wow, wow, there were five stations. And you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: we we both left the spaces that we were working in.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: We did it very respectfully. You know, we gave them
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: heads up and we're like, we're not going to recruit.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: That's not what we're trying to do here. So her
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: and I started. We knew that that we could keep
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: this thing run and pay the rent, you know, with
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: our income, and you know, we it was crazy, like
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: a month later we were full and and and then
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: we had a weight list. I never in a million
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: years thought I would have a weight list to work
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: with us.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: It was a better haircutter, your wife. You know, I
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: got to tell you who was the weight list for
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: you or for your wife?
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, the weight list was for people that
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: wanted to work with us.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: So we had this weight list and it kept growing
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: and growing and growing, and then a year later, you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: we worked to deal out with the landlord to take
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: the other half of this space out. So we went
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: from seven hundred to fourteen hundred. Wow, and we're like, okay,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: this is this is awesome. We grew and were full immediately,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: and then a year later we had that same weight list.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: So it's like, holy shit, what what do we do?
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Do We go to you know, location number two. So
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: the answer to your question is, like, you know, we
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: started growing very organically based on demand, and and we
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: we continued that along the way.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: And I assume because you did it that way, you
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: invested your own money. You didn't have to go to
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: raise money or any of that. I assume, right, we did.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: And you know, I like that you brought that up
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: because you know, Ange and I, you know, we didn't
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: have college backgrounds or anything like that. But what we
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: did have was common sense. And you know, we my
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: brother did lend me twenty thousand dollars to open Location
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: number one. You know, I told them, you know, I'll
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: pay it back within a year, and I got him
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: paid back within five months. And after that, we didn't
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: we didn't leverage ourselves to grow. You know, we always
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: just kind of paid cash for things, and and so
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: you know, we we had common sense.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I was going to ask you what gave you the
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: confidence to go into business for yourself?
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: Like, I mean, well, again, you know, all I can
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: say at that time, you know, was ignorance was bliss.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: You know, it was just like, if we're going to
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: do this, we we knew in the initial location that
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: we could fund and finance the operations. Oh you know,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: we start to grow and we had to split up
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: the leadership. I had to go to the new locations.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: She stuck to the to the flagship location. That that
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: is where things got a little bit tricky because all
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, you have about forty employees that you're
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: now responsible for. And that's when I started hiring executive coaches,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: business coaches, stuff like that.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, so it's about.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: About yeah, I think it was year three I started. Maybe, no,
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: it was earlier that. I think it was like year two.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: I started hiring coaches once we started to see the
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: responsibility that we were taking on because you know, obviously
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: like from a from a confident from a confidence standpoint
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: in terms of taking care of people, like you're like,
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: you know, really it gives you pause to think, like, Okay,
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: I really got to get solid in my business.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: And I understand you had a I might have missed
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: it in the beginning, but you had the educational component
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: like a like a training class. We get John John
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Paul Mitchell training class.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Right, well, we have a school with John Paul. Oh, okay,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: with with Paul Mitchell. We have a cosmetology school as well.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: And you know that those were some of the advanced
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: courses that Ange and I were partaking in as we
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: were growing in the career. And they would see us everywhere,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: you know, every every time they had a class, we
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: would show up, and you know, we got to know
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: John Paul. We got to know when who's you know,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: they they partnered in the school business, and when it
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: was time to open one in Salt Lake City, they
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: came to us and said, look, let's do a school together.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. I got to meet John Paul last Sunday.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I was at the any Chari drag Races. Yeah. Yeah,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: what a what a weird world we live in where
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: full circle I meet this guy. My wife was super excited.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: You know, this is the guy that was on TV
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: when I was younger, and now he owns a drag
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: racing team and any tequila company, right right, Yeah, you.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Know what you're doing well when you when you own
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: a drag racing team.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. The only thing more expensive than horses, right, yea.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Racing. Yah, that's awesome.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: You dated how long before you got married?
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: And and I dated for about four years before we
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: got married. You know, I met her It was a funny,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: funny story. The first salon that I started to work in.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: She was a client of the guy that worked next
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: to me, and we just became friends. I always thought, God,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: she's so hot, you know what I mean. And I
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: had somebody at the time, She had somebody at the time,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: And then she started talking to us about, you know,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: I'm really interested in doing this. What are your thoughts,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: you know, would you recommend all of that stuff? And
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: of course we said, we love what we do. You know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: if you're passionate about something like this, you should get
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: into it. So she went to school and when she graduated,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: she started working at the salon that I was at.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: And it wasn't until then that we started to date, so,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: you know, and it happened just because like there was
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: a Valentine's Day and you know, we worked really late.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: We were support staff at the time, and we ended
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: up being the last two out of the salon and
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: and we're like, hey, I'm like, hey, do you want
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: to grab a bite to eat. So we did and
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: the rest is history.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so organic, right, I mean, you have something so
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: in common, you're both very passionate about it, and then
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: it just grows into this awesome empire you have now, right,
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: it's incredible.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been fun. It's been fun.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Howevery do you have? Now? How many is it franchises? Now?
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: How many are these offices or salons do you have?
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Now? So there's nine locations. We have franchised a couple
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: of them. And the reason we did that is because
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: you know, you meet people in the industrree and they're like, hey,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: I love what you have going. You know, could we
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: partner and and that sort of thing, and we have
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: That happened time and time again, and you know, we
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: ended up building the franchise company just to simply grow
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: control the brand, have have controls over it. We didn't
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: set out to, you know, open one hundred locations. You know,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: if that happens organically, you know, through the process, then great,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: But we just wanted to maintain control of the brand.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Smart. Yeah. Can we go back a little bit and
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about your relationship with Angie,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Like tell us, What why you've been together so long?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: What's working well? You know, it's interesting. You know you
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: talked about the passion in terms of what we did
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: for a living. You know, I think, you know, the
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: great thing about our relationship was, you know, it was
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the passion.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: In what we do. But along with that, you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: you just you cultivate this this synergy of of I
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: think personal core values, things that you believe in health
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: and wellness was a part of that. You know, she
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: is so funny and so witty. I mean, nobody makes
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: me laugh like she does, you know, and I think,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm a little bit more like your dad.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: I'm a little more subdued, and I don't really open
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: up until I really know somebody. Yeah, she's she's everybody.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, dude, we could go to an insurance seminar
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: and she could go to the bathroom and walk out
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: with five best friends, you know, and that's just Angie
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: and I really that was really attractive, and it's attractive
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: to this day how she can make people feel. You know,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: everything that we've done, we've we've done together there and
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: there's just a crazy bond there that that I can't
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: really explain. You know, she's you know, in business. You know,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: if if she's fallen off the ledge, I talk her
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: back on. And then if I'm falling off the ledge,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: She's there to bring me back. And you know, she
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: she just has this intense belief in herself and who
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: she is as a person. As where I'm you know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: I I you know, you could call this some childhood ship,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: but you know I was a little less sure of
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: myself and a little more shy and way more subdued.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: So you know, I was attracted to that person that
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: really that really owned that, you know. And and and
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: I think she, on the flip side, was attracted to
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: the drive, the hard work, the nose to the grind stone.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: You know. I think women are you know, there's you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: like top five trades, and one of them is is like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: you know, this person signaling to them that they have
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: an ability to provide. And I think that was one
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: of the things. But you know, I my list for
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Angie could go on and on and on.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Do you guys spend a lot of time It's a
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: probably dumb question, but do you guys spend a lot
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: of time together?
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: We do spend a lot of time together. It's usually
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: as a family unit. We could get better at, you know,
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: probably spending time just the two of us, more alone time,
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: but you know, it's just like electric is just she
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: loves being with us, and I know that's not going
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: to last very long now, you know what I mean.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: She's thirteen years old, and it's like, you know, as
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: long as she wants to be with us, we're gonna
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: bring her with us. You know. So we do spend
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: a lot of time together as a family, and you know,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: we do have our meals together, you know, very That's
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: something that I grew up with, that's something that she
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: grew up with, and it's something that we've carried on
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: and we believe is very important for the family.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Do you have a big family between the two of you, guys.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Well, Angie has a really big family. Uh yeah, she's great.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: She's got she's got six siblings, you know, and then
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: her extended family. Her dad has six siblings and you know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: between the cousins, you know, all of that stuff. It's
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: it's huge. I come from a much smaller family. I
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: have two brothers and we're very very close, you know,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: very close, and.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: A younger two younger brothers.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: I got one that it's two years younger than me
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: and the other is seven years younger than me. Okay,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: so yeah, I was the oldest, but a great relationship
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: with those guys, and you know, I stay in touch
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: with them daily.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Well that leads us to the topic that you know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: brought us all together here, and that's the Housewife's show.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Tell us a.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Little bit about your experience leading up to it. Where
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: you familiar with the housewife franchise and the TV. Did
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: you watch it before you signed up? And when when
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: you got asked to go on the show, what were
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: your thoughts?
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, the funny thing is is in two
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, I just got
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: to finished remodeling a house that Angeine I moved into,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: and you know, I just I sat down that you know,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: everything was done. Finally we put the last piece of
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: furniture and I clicked on the TV and here comes
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: this thing called Real house Wives of Orange County, and
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: so I got into I'm like, what is this? You
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: know what I mean? I mean, there was the old
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: MTV reality experience you know that I grew up with,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: but this was something different and I was like this
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: is interesting, and it just kind of kept my attention.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: And then I started thinking to myself, God, I'm glad
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: that those guys can do that, but I could never
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: picture myself doing that, you know. So it's a very
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: it's very ironic, you know. I I I watched it
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: for the first couple of seasons, and then you get
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: busy in business and doing whatever, and then you kind
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: of lose track of it, and then you kind of
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: come back, you know, here and there. But yeah, I
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: did watch a bit of it, you know. And she
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: never did, you know, And she's never been she's never
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: been a TV watcher, you know, and for that matter,
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: neither was I. That was that was one of the
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: one things that I could go down stairs in the
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: theater room and sit and just like you know, kind
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: of just like let the world go away for for
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: an hour.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Or watch the show of the train.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: Exactly. But uh, you know, Angie was never I mean,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: she knew of it, you know, like, honey, you got
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: to check this out, you know, And and uh, you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: she was never she's never been a TV watcher. She's
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: she likes to be on the phone with her family
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: or sisters, you know. Or brothers and friends and stuff
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: like that. So she's own person than a TV person.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: So how did you guys get asked to be on
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the show or how did that happen?
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so season one when they started casting for season one,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: I mean we were referred by Heather Gay who was
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: on the show. And when they called us, they didn't
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: tell us what it was for. They presented it more
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: like a successful women women in business stuff like that,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: and so you know, we did an interview and we
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: were like on our best behavior talking about our culture
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: and leadership and stuff like that. So you know, I
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: think we missed the mark, you know, in terms of
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: what we were interviewing for. And it wasn't until season
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: two they wanted to interview us again and we realized that, okay,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: this is what this was. So Angie went ahead and
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: interviewed season two, and I think it was it was
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: season two that she made a few appearances. You know
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: that some of the friends, like Lisa and Heather, I
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: don't know, there were there were some things that they
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: had invited her to or and and us too.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: And then season came on as a friend as a fact.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: You know, it wasn't official friend but you know, we
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: were invited to these events right that they were for
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: the show during filming, and then season three, she was
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: invited to do a friend of.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: So tell us about your conversation before you started filming,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: like did you guys contemplated and did you guys agree
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: or or is it just like this is cool, let's
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I told Angie, you know, it's just like, hey, look,
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: this is up to you. I'm going to support whatever
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: you want to do. And we did have that conversation
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: in terms of like, Okay, we've got a solid marriage,
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: we've got great businesses, we've got a great family, you know,
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: and and I do remember having this conversation. It's like, yeah,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: but you know that doesn't mean people can't lie, you know.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: And so but but I said, look, I'm too old
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: to care about what people think, you know. I mean,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: I'm just going to be authentically myself. And I know
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: that's Angie. She she doesn't put on a show for anybody.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: She just she just does her So, you know, with
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: that agreement of authenticity, and it's like, if we're going
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: to go into this, we've got to know, you know,
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: you know what you're getting into right, So so you
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: know we were I was on board. You know, she
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: wanted to do it, so let's do it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: And how did you deal so that first year you
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: I was reading up that you had to deal with obviously,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: you know, people are always going to talk crap, right, yeah,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: And it's funny. I don't know why good looking people
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: are always called gay, right, you were they were telling
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: you that. I guess there was that rumor that you
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: were gay in Fidality during that first season, which I've
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: heard the same thing about Eddie. Obviously, it's in common
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: good looking people, right, people.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Are people like hey, I appreciate that.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: People like to hate on that stuff. But how did
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: you deal with it?
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: You know I was I was not, you know, offended
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: like like Eddie. I'm not sure how how you handled it,
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: but I know for me, I didn't take it as
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: what I took offense to was the cheating aspect of it,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: you know, you know, knowing that I've got a twelve
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: year old daughter at the time, you know, all these
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: things start going through your head. So I cared less about,
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: you know, the gay rumor, because you know, being a hairdresser,
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: you know we would have clients or whatever, ask oh,
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: who's that guy? Is he gay? And it's like, no,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: he's married to Angie. She's you know, his his wife
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: and or girlfriend and she's working over there. And then
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: that was it, you know. So so you know, I
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: really didn't take offense to the gay thing. Our best
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: friends in the world are gay, you know, and and
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: I just see them as as as I see anybody else,
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: you know, And so that part didn't bother me, you know.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: But when this thing came up, you know, and to
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: my point, people can always lie. I don't think, you know,
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: this was anything that any of these these people had heard.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: This was something that was just thrown out there, made
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: up for a storyline. You know. It's like, show me
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: who it is, you know what I mean, And it's like,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: who is it? You know, I'll pay him ten thousand
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: dollars if they can prove that I had cheated on
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: my wife with you yeah, you know, and so you know,
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: it was just something that was just thrown out there
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: was I mean, it was low hanging fruit to get
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: it Angie and start this controversy and that sort of thing.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: So my experience was very similar in that, you know,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I was in the fitness world all my life, teaching
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: classes when I always say this, one foot in, one
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: foot out, you know, building companies and then teaching classes,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: spin classes more specifically. So here's a guy on the
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: stage on a bicycle with tights and you know, his
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: package hanging out and you know, the tank top and
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: all these women are gawking and all these men are gkying.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: So many times are like, that guy's gay. I know
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: he's gay.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: And of course I take care of myself. I you know,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: brush my teeth. I watched my ears, and you know,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I just at the time it was the term was metrosexual, right, I.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Think it's a compliment.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I think so too. I definitely took it as a compliment.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And again I had a lot of gay friends.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: In fact, I have had one really good friend. His
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: name was Eddie.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: He was a hairdresser and a spin instructor, and he
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: would always have the girls after him. I'm like, dude,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: too bad your gay man, because you would have.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: So much ask.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Right, But it never bothered me.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: And the funny thing is when one of the women
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: who try to be you know, maintain her relevancy on
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: the show this to go after Tamra and she couldn't
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: you know, offend Tamra or or or come after her
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: because Tamra is just real.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: She decided to lie and create this fake story.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, I learned, you know,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: that's part of this, that's part of being on a
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: reality TV show, and it's open season for for anything
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: that you know can be said about you.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. You know when when Angie
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: you know, mentioned this to me, you know, I just
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: I immediately started thinking about my daughter. You know, it's like,
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: you know, she's she's twelve years old. She's going to
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: be hearing this shit at school now, you know. And
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: here's the look there's heis and lows to this world.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: You know. I think the low part for me is
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: once somebody says something like that, like it's there, like
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: it's you know what I mean is they don't put
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: it out there and it just doesn't seem to go away,
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: you know. And so but the cool part is, like,
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: you know, my daughter is so grounded, she is hey,
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: you know, and I really took the opportunity to say, hey,
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: look this is this is what so and so said
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: about me. She just started laughing, you know, what I mean,
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: it's like, you know, I'm not a guy that rolls
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: with anybody. I don't go hang out with the boys,
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: you know on Friday nights. I mean, I'm with those
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: guys twenty four to seven. So you know that. And
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: I love that because there was she thought about it.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: It's like, Dad, that is funny. Don't worry about it.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: You know, it's like, Okay, got that off my chest.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: That is out in the open with my daughter, and
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: we can move forward. And we're still able to move
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: forward even though it continues to be mentioned and things
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: When they get to that age, right, like their friends
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: start talking to them about it because it's headline right
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: right right, they're twelve, thirteen, sixteen years old, all of
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: a sudden, it's hey, is this really happening? You know,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: her friends start, you know, it's a it's a tough situation.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: And I think that's the tough part about being in
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: that public eye is when shit hits the fan, your
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: kids are in the middle of it, especially nowadays with
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: social media, especially if they're in that age. Yeah, you know,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: twelve to sixteen years old.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's hard to.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: You know, try to protect them. From that because they
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: do they go on on the internet and it's just hard.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Well, they become collateral damage, right yeah. Right. The good
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: part is is, you know, Electra goes to a great school.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: It's a private school, very diverse, and you know, I
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: for the first couple of weeks, does anyone say anything
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: to you? They're like, no, Dad, they don't. They don't
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: say a word, you know, So I was like, okay, good.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: You know, has she filmed?
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: How does she feel about it?
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: You know, when it started out, she didn't really want
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: anything to do with it, you know, but but now
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: that she's kind of getting older, she low key thinks
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: it's cool. So she's open to it and she does it,
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: and you know, she does a great job.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think overall it's a pretty cool experience
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: to be on TV a reality show, because you've got
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: to have some thick skin and be very confident about
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: yourself to get through it, because it's such a toxic
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: environment at times that you wonder how do people get
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: through this well?
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: And you know, I'm glad you mentioned that because you know,
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: as you go through some of these controversies, and things
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: like that. You know, really what I look at is
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: the lesson that I can take from it. And you know,
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: I'm now watching myself, you know, kind of navigate some
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: of this stuff, and it's just like, you know, there
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: are times where I'm like, God, I probably could have
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: handled that differently. You know, I probably could have come
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: off less aggressive, you know, And it's like you guys,
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: know you're entrepreneurs, Like we've we had to fucking fight
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: for everything we have, you know, so it's like to
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: become this fighter and sometimes this this fighter has to
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: be aggressive and and you know, when you come from
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: a you know, we've we've got a very healthy family dynamic,
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: we've got a great culture in our work.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: And.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: You know, it was a real juxtaposition to be put
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: in some of these situations. But you know, now, I
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: just really try to learn my lesson along the way.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: And it's like, you know, I could have I could
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: have done that different and I could have done it
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: a lot smarter and got the same point across. So
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: so that's my challenge to myself now is is when
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: I'm put on the spot, how do I handle it?
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: How can I be smarter about it? And how can
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: I you know, leave those situations with dignity and and
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: still make my wife and my family proud and you
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: know all that stuff.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: What's the best part that's come out of Housewives for you?
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: You know, as you guys know, they're they're they're interesting
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: perks that come along with it. You know, a lot
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: of it is the notoriety piece, you know, getting invited
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: to certain things and being able to expose Electra to
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: to certain things that you wouldn't have otherwise. You know
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: it really, you know, we've been in business for so long,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: you know, and I think a lot of people get
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: on the show, they open a business and they try
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: to sell a product or or whatever, and you know,
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: the the cool part is like this is something that
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: we didn't need right to and and there's beauty in
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: that because you know, we've been working so hard at
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: what we do and we continue to work on a
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: daily but you know, our salons were at you know,
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: eighty five ninety percent capacity, So it's not like we're
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: getting this huge rush of business because of it, you know,
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: but you know, it's it's fun to be able to
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: go to New York with Angie and me and Electra
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: Rock walk around Rockefeller Plaza while she's doing her thing,
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: and you know, so stuff like that is is definitely
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: that's that's a highlight for sure.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what are are some of the bad experiences you've
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: had on the show?
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Because of the show, I would say, you know, the
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: hardest part for me to navigate is is online troll
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: type stuff. You know. Again, I don't care. Somebody can
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: go on and say whatever they want about me, but
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: when they start like messaging my daughter, that is like
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: what are you guys doing? You know what I mean?
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: It's like how deep is that basement that you live in?
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: You know? And it's just like you know, you got
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just it's hard when it involves your kid. Yeah,
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: and so you know what, we go through things with
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: her and we tell her like, look, you know, you're
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: you're becomming a household name. And I always I always
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: put it to her like this. It's like, you know,
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: movie stars are stars, like they're big stars, but you
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: know they come out with a movie maybe once a
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: year or once every other year. You know, you happen
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: to be in somebody's living room every week, which creates
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: a different dynamic, right, And so while most of the
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: people that are are sending messages to us or extremely
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: positive and so grateful for that. It's just the one
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: off stuff that's kind of hard to to navigate and
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: sift through because there's really no you can't have a
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: conversation with these people. You know, they've made a choice
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: like you're my enemy, I don't like you, and that's
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: just what it is, you know. So so that that
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: that's the end, I would say that would be the
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: worst part of it.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: I agree with you, because in my experience, it's just
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: been slowly leaking into that social media world where you know,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: we're we're we're professionals here under the Bravo umbrella and
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: we're producing a show and it's edited to its maximum
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: ability to get maximum return you know, on their on
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: their work, right, And if it stays under that umbrella,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: it's cool. You know, this is a job, this.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Is what we're doing.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: But when it spills over into social media and you
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: got these idiots on the other side trying to the
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: fame you or or make you look like an asshole
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: outside of the Bravo umbrella, that's what gets me upset.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: It's like, keep it under, keep it under.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: The show.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: We're here being professionals. This is a job.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: We don't need to take this outside into social media
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: and try to create a story or or derogatory fame that,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: you know, because you're mad at us because of the
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: way the show was edited, right, Like, keep it under
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: the Bravo umbrella and call it a day. This does
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: not need to go outside of that.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, unfortunately it does. You know, I've only been on
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: social media for two years, and just over two years,
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: and you know, I got on social media because you know,
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: and she's like, you know, you probably should do this
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: and whatever, so I did, and and you know, it
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: is it's just it's just one of those low hanging
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: things that people can creep into and try to create chaos.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: But you know, it's just like block them and hide
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: the comment and move on. You know, it's just another lesson.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: And and I try to use these examples for Electra.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: It's like, this isn't just going to happen here. You know,
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: you're you're about to start high school and it may
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: happen with you know, classmates and stuff like that, and
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: this is how you deal with it. You know, you
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: just got to keep moving forward, don't question yourself.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad you talked about that, because that's
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: one thing that is I think important, is to keep
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: your kids educated and abreast of the experience and how
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: to take it, because you know, as a kid, you're
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: so easily influenced and so easily distracted, especially when there's
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: something on TV and you know you believe it.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's see what else I think we
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: covered that.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, let me ask you this. Do you get along
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: with the majority of the men on the show or
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: do you talk to them or are they just work friends?
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: If you will?
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I get along with all of them,
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: you know, I mean Angie and Meredith and I guess
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Meredith and I have some some controversy hanging. You know,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: it's happening. We're in the middle of it. You know.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: I get along with her husband's Steth fine when we're together.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: You know, I think generally speaking, he's a great guy.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: The other guys that get along really well with I
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: do spend more time with, like Justin and I and
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: I recently started spending more time with Todd Bronwin's husband
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: outside of filming, and I really really love and appreciate
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: those guys. You know, they're they're smart. Justine just a
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: good old boy, you know, and and so is Todd.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: And Todd is Todd's a very smart guy. He's done
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: a lot of great things in his life. And you know,
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: I just I like to spend time with guys that
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: I can learn from. And you know, on that note,
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: it's funny because you know, I've got mentors, and you know,
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: you guys are are I look at you guys as
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: mentors from you know, not only business, but you know,
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: from from watching you guys on the show and and
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: all that stuff. It's like, but all my mentors are
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: named ed I have Outside of you guys, I've got
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: a couple ads that are mentors too. So it's I
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: like to spend time with guys that I can learn from.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, by the way, is this the first time that
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: you find yourself in the drama?
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, there was with the gay rumors last year.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: That's kind of when it started and it's kind of
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: carried through to to this season up to this point.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: So yeah, so are you like talking a lot this season?
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: I'm talking more than usual. They they they've pulled me
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: in and they've got me engaged a little bit more
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: for sure.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's interesting when they get you more engaged,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: they still don't pay you, right, No, it's not like, hey,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: you're going to talk a lot more this season, but
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: you know what, we're not going to pay your exactly,
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: No love, no love, Eddy. Are you getting paid for
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: the drama of the season?
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: No, No, I got and I got roped into it too.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: There should be a clause for the men that if
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: you get roped into the drama, they should hey.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why I always wondered if the New
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Jersey guys are getting paid because they are all into
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: it and they're great at it and they have great
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: dynamics on TV.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: But I wonder like, how did they do it? How
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: do they feel comfortable?
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Because I don't feel comfortable being on TV and not
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: getting paid, you know, or if we're even doing anything,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm getting exploited. I'm getting you know, thrown
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: on this show and it just doesn't make any sense.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: And the women get paid. So it's a job.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: And from what I've seen and witness from with my wife,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: she's doing her job and she's getting paid for it.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: But why why aren't we getting paid.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: I have rarely seen any of the husbands when they
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: get in the drama come out looking good.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Rarely it's it's.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know if one comes to mind, but typically
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: it's it's not a good thing.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, for me, it's it's I guess I'm
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: blessed in the way that you know, the stuff that
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: that I guess I'm I'm engaged with.
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: You know, production has done just i mean such a
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: great job of of uh getting me through it, you know,
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: without without anything too crazy. So and I'm still new
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: you know that can Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna know how here.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: The same thing happened to me, Brether and it's just
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: a matter of time.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: I'm sure.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in a really good day and ask you to
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: do an interview or something and you'll be you know,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: thear minded happy, everything's great, and then it happens.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: So yeah, be careful out there, crossed.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I have one rule and I've i I think I've
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: shared it with almost every guy house husband that has
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: come to me for advice, and like, just don't get involved,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: you know, I this the sooner you learn to not
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: get part of the drama, this sooner you'll be like, Okay,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: it's it's less stress, but it's hard.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: They'll catch you. This year, they.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: They caught me, you know, in a situation where I
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: didn't want to be in and I ended up participating
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: and getting into an argument with one of the guys.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: But you know, it's a long story and the long
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: history behind it, and I had to get involved.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: But I didn't like it. I didn't. It's not this
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: is a.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: Housewipe show right right right.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: So anyways, in closing, would you do this show again
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: if you didn't have this experience?
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: You know, I you know, I just go back to
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna support Angie. I'm gonna
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: be that guy that you know through through the heights
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: and law, I'm gonna continue to support. I love your advice,
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: and and like I said earlier, it's just like I'm
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: gonna be a little bit more aware in terms of like,
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: if I'm pulled into anything, I've got to really you
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: know't have that awareness to respond smart appropriate. And you know,
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: like like you said, they can they can do whatever
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: they want with the footage and make it look whatever.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: But you know, as long as I know that I've
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: handled myself appropriately. I you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: be okay with it, I think, you know, And like
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: you said, that's that's a beauty of age, is like
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: you know, you just you kind of care less and
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: less about what people think. And you know, finally, you know, finally,
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: I was a late bloomer in life in general. And
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: you know that's that's what I love about, you know,
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: experience and age and stuff like that. Is just a
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: simple fact that you know, I'm okay with somebody now
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: liking me these days. You know, I got to live
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: with myself. I got to wake up with me.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, that's super helpful to be on this show, Sean.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: One of the things I love about you, by the way,
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: as we close, I love your humility. You know, you've
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: been very You've been very obviously you've been successful, I
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: think in all areas of your life, not just obviously
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: the family, the business, uh, you know, fitness, and just uh,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: the humility that you have. It's the first thing that
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: draw me to you when we first spoke, uh saying,
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: he was like, man, this is a guy that I
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: could hang with. Yeah, it's because you've had incredible success
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: yet you're still humble, and it seems like you're still
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: that guy in the ranch that well, you know.
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: You know, I appreciate that, and I think that's what
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: dream me to you guys as well, is just the
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: grounded uh, you know, the ground at presence there. You know,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: we're not we're not trying to impress each other. You know,
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: we're just who we are and and we're doing what
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: we do and and not trying to show anybody anything
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: that we're not. And you know, for me, I'm always
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: drawn to authenticity and and you know, I can sniff
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: out the alternative really quick. And I think, you know,
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: it's it's really cool to be able to develop those
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: six senses and uh and just navigate life based on
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: your gut and you know, those senses so that age,
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: it does, it does.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite quotes from Humility is you're
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: either humble or you're about to be.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: That's a good one.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: Somebody will serve you some humble pie one time or another.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Right, yes, yes, so last question and and then we'll
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: let you go. But what was what has been the
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: best experience overall on the Housewives show for you guys?
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: You know, I think the best thing that has come
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: along with being on this show is you know, and
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: you know, I've been forced to communicate more so, you know,
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: we we we've always communicated, but you know, when you're
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: in business together, it's like, you know, you kind of
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: pick up on cues and you're able to kind of
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: see that stuff and address it. And you know, with
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: the show, you know, we've been able to really communicate
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: more direct and like when she comes out of an
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: uncomfortable situation, I can now go and say, look, I
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: don't know what that was or what you're dealing with.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: Do you want to tell me about it? You know? So,
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: so I would say communication is really increased since being
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: on this show in a really good way. Yeah, And
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: I think you know, we're really able to show support
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: from one another in a whole a whole different in
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: a whole different way. So I would say that's been
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: the most the most positive part of this.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's communications on level ten and I
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: think that's you know, obviously, you know it's percent important
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: for anybody in a relationship, but but to be consistently
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: aware of it and to be consistently like concerned is
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: like how you're handling this, how you're doing it. You know,
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: same thing with Electra. You know, it's just it's really
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: forced communication to have uncomfortable conversations and and and really
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: have that transparency as like how you're feeling, what do
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: you think about this, you know, stuff like that.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: So that's awesome. Yeah, very positive.
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: I like that. Thank you, well, great show, guys.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Well thanks for coming on. Sean.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: It's been really fun to talking to you. I mean,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: I knew it was going to be fun because when
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: we met in San Francisco, it was just so easy
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: to sit down and have a conversation with you. We
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: have so much in common, more than I imagine. So thank
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: you so much for coming on and and in the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: background here and uh and we will we wish you
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: the best man, keep being successful, keeping who you are.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: You doing great, and you know, don't let this thing
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: bring you down with.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: You guys, Sean, Mike, Sean, take care of care.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Been